While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.Totally agree with this
Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.
I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.
I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
Totally agree with thisExpand QuoteWhile some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.
Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.
I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.
I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.[close]
While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.
Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.
I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.
I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.Most riffs in the Dio era are really dumbed down.
I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.
Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
No doubt Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.Expand QuoteI believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.
Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.[close]
I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricismI like rockabilly too, it's too bad it gets labeled kooky for the wrong characters whom dress like dipshits especially the extreme pompadours and whatnot.
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.No doubt Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.
Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.[close]
I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.[close]
When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX.
Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOLPunk in Drublic was a damn fine album I was merely saying when you think of NOFX it’s El Hefe involvement that really congealed their lineup.
Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.Expand QuoteNo doubt Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.
Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.[close]
I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.[close]
When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX.
Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.[close]
Speaking of propagandhi: they are my favorite band in the world (and have been since 95-ish) but I don't really rank a lot of the songs on today empires (even though I love Todd and ISPY)
I also don't think slayer is that great and yet I love thrash...
i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?
Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies
i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?
Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL
Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.Expand QuoteNo doubt Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.
Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.[close]
I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.[close]
When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX.
Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.[close]
Shannon and the Clams.You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable...... They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.
The 90s really were the golden age of hip-hop (maybe also not that controversial but could be seen as an old-fashioned take).This right here is what I'm talking about the self aware boom bap hiphop was the best and the pinnacle of the genre there's so much good rap that wasn't on anyone's radar during that time even afterwards. I'd say 2000's here's a good example Lost Children of Babylon Immortal Technique come to mind and I miss rap/hiphop that had a real message and rad storytelling that put you in their world.
Expand Quoterancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL
Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.Expand QuoteNo doubt Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.
Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.[close]
I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.[close]
When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX.
Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.[close][close]
Yeah, this and Bad Religion’s Suffer made NOFX a much better band. Ribbed is basically BR worship lol.
Also, I think Andrew WK’s second album is his best one.
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricismIf you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.Expand Quoteso much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo[close]
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track. Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.Expand QuoteIf you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.Expand Quoteso much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo[close]
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html[close]
Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track. Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.Expand Quoteso much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo[close]
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html[close]
Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)[close]
Where'd you find your box set?
Yeah my local record shop is a hippie owner who kinda sucks, I usually go on discogs and scour through used or something cheap to get.Expand QuoteI stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track. Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.Expand Quoteso much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo[close]
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html[close]
Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)[close]
Where'd you find your box set?[close]
Yeah those Tales from the Vinyl Wasteland’s are great... twisted stuff. If you dig those check out Wavy Gravy Vol 1 and 2, and Bent, Batty and ‘Bnoxious!.
I just bought those Nasty comps individually cause I had heard they were good... I used to be a wild, crazy rockabilly obsessive (never into the “scene”) and would buy tons of comps. Most of the time there’s one or two wild tracks and the rest are crap, so to have some that are solid all the way through are a treat!
cool threadThe unholy trinity of Darkthrone Blaze in the northern sky, Transylvanian hunger, Under a funeral Moon are damn fine albums for there sporadic and unrelenting assault for Black Metal they've earned my respect for doing multigenres from death metal in the beginning to true kvlt BM to crusty dbeat punkish metal they can and will do it all I think Cult is Alive is my favorite of the later works Fenriz and Ted has done, absolutely madmen when it comes to playing music.
my favorite nofx record is so long and thanks for all the shoes, because it was my first. i haven't listened to nofx in ages though. they're sick though.
my unpopular opinion:
drive like jehu is still underrated. yank crime is a fucking classic for the ages. the s/t is great as well, easily a 9/10.
the newer darkthrone records where they sound kind of Crusty punked up rule. i am not even into black metal really except a few songs, but i can listen to those records in one sitting and think they are pretty sick. i can see how metal and punk purists alike hate them tho.
deftones seem to be a love it or hate it band nowadays but i think they aged alright. they achieved at least that tons of new bands nowadays seem to try to sound like them, without ever getting it really right(except varials-romance/the love machine, but that was basically some camouflaged cover track).
the whole gothy dance/ebm resurgence thing is super sick. i don't care for electronic much, but i love cabaret nocturne, boy harsher, kontravoid, etc... it's not so dark so you get depressed, but is still sinister enough to not become corny. i'm not immersed in that scene so sorry if i used wrong terminology. if you watched the glue vid, you know what i mean. i'll leave the kontravoid video here, because it's a good visual represantation of the clashing vibes that form something wholesome. also, i want to ride a jetski on a lake in canada, too. if i ever do coke, it will be to music like this, and i will probably do stupid shit that kills me by accident.
i think i won't do cocaine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exD-oGci-9M&list=RDexD-oGci-9M&start_radio=1
EDIT: not sure, maybe some of those opinions are actually agreeable and popular and i don't know it
I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track. Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.Expand Quoteso much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo[close]
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html[close]
Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)[close]
Where'd you find your box set?
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
Expand QuoteI started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.[close]
I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.
TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.[close]
I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.
TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY![close]
WHEN I WANT SOMETHING DONE I’ll DO IT MYSELF
RIGHT IN YOUR FACE
Gkr I wish we could high jack every thread and make it about our dated takes on hardcore and it’s subgenres.
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.agree with all of this, although i still like ceremony up until zoo, which wasn't great, but ok imo.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
Country really does get a bad rep when you think of the dipshits who rep it albeit racist garbage but some of the toughest outlaws were of that 50's country western/rockabilly Elvis Jerry Lewis ripoffs. I've found some of the best stuff at donation bins and other YT channels.Expand QuoteI stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track. Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.Expand Quoteso much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism
i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets
I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo[close]
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html[close]
Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)[close]
Where'd you find your box set?[close]
DUDE! Sanford Cark is awesome! im surprised to see his name pop up in here, you dont hear him discussed enough.
Country as a whole gets a terrible rep but there is some great tunes if you look past the rhinestoned pop country surface
this dude is killing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YivNpUXHw
I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia was and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10.Grief is better than dystopia. Brainoil is better than Grief
Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.Expand QuoteI started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10.Grief is better than dystopia. Brainoil is better than Grief[close]
Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.Expand QuoteMost of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.Expand QuoteI started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10.Grief is better than dystopia. Brainoil is better than Grief[close][close]
I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.
I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.
I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.
I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.
If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.
Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMost of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.Expand QuoteI started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10.Grief is better than dystopia. Brainoil is better than Grief[close][close]
I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.
I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.
I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.
I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.
If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.
Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.[close]
For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.
Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs, the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA.... like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission) They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!
Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.
Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.
Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush. Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.
Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.
See this where text really doesn’t give context to sarcasm I was busting your chops a bit, yeah I can see your opinions on hardcore sound compared to the sludge doom sound. In my opinion there’s a lot of good bands from that era and timeline got to see Dropdead and His Hero is Gone at the Providence venue The Living Room so sick to see those bands in their prime.Expand QuoteOkay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMost of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.Expand QuoteI started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10.Grief is better than dystopia. Brainoil is better than Grief[close][close]
I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.
I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.
I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.
I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.
If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.
Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.[close]
For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.
Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs, the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA.... like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission) They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!
Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.
Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.
Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush. Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.
Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.[close]
That avatar is from the musings of a smoking man right? That’s probably my favorite episode of the show.
The disrupt/noothgrush was not a comparison, it was which band I liked more based strictly of what the members of grief and dystopia were in, not sonically at all.
I can totally understand how confusing that was with no preface and my apologies!
I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
I know anal cunt is awful but it’s like they don’t make music, they make a wall of ignorant din. It’s a child-like tantrum mixed with inside jokes on record. And I love it. Somehow I made it to the top .01 percentile of Death and AC listeners on Spotify which is bad new for anyone that lets me play music in the car. LolExpand QuotePeople only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.[close]
Backed your take on death, even with that documentary they are criminally underrated and overlooked. They created a genre in a vacuum, essentially. There’s no reason they’re not held in higher regard than iggy or mc5.
Slam metal is boring as fuck and anal cunt is awful, the only worthwhile thing Seth Putnam ever did was being in siege for like a year.
Mac demarco is spaget wearing a dad hat.
You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable...... They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.Expand QuoteShannon and the Clams.[close]
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings. I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings. I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.Expand QuotePeople only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.[close]
I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it.Expand QuoteSee I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings. I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.Expand QuotePeople only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.[close]
I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.[close]
“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSee I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings. I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.Expand QuotePeople only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.[close]
I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.[close]
“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.[close]
My band sucks spit on me........
so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.Expand QuoteI saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
blasphemy[close][close]
J Mascis is straight edge lol[close]
so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
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J Mascis is straight edge lol[close]
Expand QuoteSee I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings. I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.Expand QuotePeople only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.[close]
I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.[close]
“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
Expand Quoteso you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
blasphemy[close][close]
J Mascis is straight edge lol[close][close]
This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
Totally let's do this.Expand QuoteHAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSee I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings. I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.Expand QuotePeople only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?
As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?
Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.
Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.[close]
I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.[close]
“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.[close]
My band sucks spit on me........[close]
song names anal cunt would use could be its own thread
aha I see what you did there!Expand Quoteso you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
blasphemy[close][close]
J Mascis is straight edge lol[close][close]
This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
aha I see what you did there!Expand QuoteExpand Quoteso you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur tooExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
blasphemy[close][close]
J Mascis is straight edge lol[close][close]
This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.[close]
in regards to a few of the things I've read here:
Correct on Suicidal Tendencies... they've basically managed a 40 year career due to their image. From what I've read, that's all due to Glenn E Friedman, who was their original manager, telling them to ditch their socal hardcore look and go for Venice cholo. They owe him big if that's true.
Repulsion is hands down the greatest American metal band (Slayer is close). I remember hearing them for the first time and it blew my mind... exactly what I love about metal mixed with exactly what is awesome about hardcore (without being a crossover band). If I had a time machine this would be one of my stops:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s)
That being said, all that American Thrash from the 80's has dated very, very poorly. Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" and Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" are pretty much the only thing that holds up, the rest is so boring and unenergetic. I was in Ameoba once and they were playing Metallica 'Justice for All' (my favorite tape when I was a kid) and what sluggish, boring-ass album. It sounds like a whole album full of the slow breakdown parts of songs without any of the energetic fast parts. D.R.I. should've called it quits after the Dirty Rotten EP. Slayer is the only band who still sounds good (up to Seasons).
Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is. I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left. Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.
All that NYHC and Youthcrew stuff (and "90's hardcore") absolutely sucks. Seems like there's been a resurgence in the last few years too. I'd say just about everything from the Cro-Mags on... I do like Sheer Terror and Judge, but the rest of that stuff is jockish and horrible. The earliest NY hardcore bands (Nihilistics, Urban Youth, Heart Attack, Reagan Youth) were light years better. I can dig Agnostic Front's 'Victim in Pain' EP.
That's cool to see mid-period Ramones get some love on here, as those albums are great and never get mentioned... but there's NO WAY they're better than the first 2 Ramones albums. There's nothing better than those albums.
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.
My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
Plastic Beach had like 5 banger bangers, but that album is 16 songs long and most of it is trash.facts and after everyone waited so long
umm it IS pronounced dead mao five(https://i.imgur.com/2YawgFE.jpg)
Blasphemy is great!Expand QuoteI really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.[close]
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not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
radiohead sucks
the beatles suck
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
In Square Circle is one of Stevie Wonder's best records, and its dated-ness adds to its charm
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
jazz/gospel chords > blues chords
loveliescrushing aren't talked about enough in the history/pantheon of dream pop, noise, shoegaze
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.
With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments, I don't mind it at all.
Expand Quotenot about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ[close]
Sorry for indulging but I have some thoughts:
As far as sound quality, I feel like most informed record collectors understand that the sound quality isn't strictly from the medium. Most avid collectors such as myself have a great stereo/speakers that's responsible. That's why most of us understand that a Crosley isn't gonna make anything sound good. On that note I also think the analog vs digital argument is kind of a moot point. I don't know what "better" means among that peer group. I don't know what parameters they listened to their recorded samples nor who/how the samples were recorded and frankly have little interest in it. As far as engineers it's the archer, not the arrow. Peer studies would probably tell you Nirvana's Nevermind is a sonically better record than In Utero, but that doesn't make it a "better" record.
Regarding the toxicity, his "study" is pretty flawed and means nothing without context. According to a source below vinyl manufacturing accounts for less than half of a percent of PVC production, and that doesn't even get into how much PVC you're exposed to on a daily basis otherwise. And he's flat out wrong about manufacturers refusing to explore alternative measures to pressing. He clearly did his research with blinders on because there are studies available from before his video came out and I found this source with minimal effort. Wanting manufacturers in general to leave less of a carbon footprint is a reasonable desire but it is ultimately an exaggerated concern.
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/dark-side-of-the-vinyl-are-records-bad-for-the-environment/#:~:text=Vintage%20vinyl%20is%20quite%20likely,new%20compounds%20have%20been%20devised.
That's not to say the complete opposite is true but I take issue with environmental arguments that split these kinda hairs. I have no doubt that the components of a physical record aren't good for you. The same is probably true for most things in your home, and dare I say most foods you buy at the store, or most pieces of tech we carry around all day about 6 inches away from our ballsacks. I'll refrain from ingesting my record collection, but I honestly have little interest in that kinda micro doom speeches when there are vastly bigger fish to fry.
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.there’s one track on the pink record (i think, idk it’s been years) but they are by far the second best musical act to come out of those members
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotenot about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ[close][close]
fair enough.
concerning the quality. i don't think he was saying digital sounds "better", that's of course subjective, pretty sure he is aware of that. most people that say vinyl sounds better attribute it to warmth and dynamic. the latter has nothing to do with the medium though, more with how contemporary music is recorded and mixed. still, vinyl is the inferior information carrier if we are talking about that information getting lost or scrambled. i'd say vinyl is legit for archival purposes, since you can store it a heck of a long time.
as for me personally, i was an ardent defender of vinyl vs other mediums for the longest time, but at some point my record player broke, and i started getting flac versions of some records i wanted to listen to, and with the same setup of amp and boxes, was shocked how much nicer and clearer most of it sounded to me. i felt like i was living in a bubble the whole time. sometimes i miss the crackles and buzzing, but to me, high quality audio files is where it's at nowadays.
so that's why i overall agree with him, even if i accept that he went a bit doomer, especially on the health aspect. i wouldn't tell anyone to throw aways their vinyl, or tell them that's garbage, but as i grow older and out of some cliched views i held as i was younger, mostly informed by what i thought what is cool or what isn't, i realized i probably fetishized vinyl, too, because it was simply cool and different, not necessarily better or smarter. it's part of punk and hip hop culture in a way and that's the main reason i wanted to use it. it shows off a lot better than a music folder on your computer and makes for better conversation pieces. people are way more impressed in social situations when you tell them that you own the velvet under ground & nico early pressing on vinyl than by you knowing that record in and out, cause they can't see or prove that and it takes no effort to listen to em, but to hunt that lp down and have the money to pay for it.
that is another part i dislike about vinyl culture, not everyone has the funds to maintain that setup, or even the space for it. it's like with tattoos. everyone acts like it's some underground culture thing, but it's actually a product you buy. there is no reason to be proud about owning that edition or have tattoos from a great artist, because everyone who pays can do that. it says nothing about a persons merit, but for most people i feel like vinyl and tattoos(i have tattoos myself) are about projecting some sort of sophistication and low key wealth status. why else would broke ass people sacrifice their funds for this? i know so many people that are too broke for everything and complain all the time about it, but get tattoos, records or tech stuff liberally. i love tattoos and wish i'd have gotten more while i was young enough to have reaped the coolness points, but it makes no sense to me to not eat for a month just to get one, or get one vinyl record with a booklet that i will read once and then never again when i can buy two digital records for the price and let the artist keep more money.
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.I disregarded house and techno for a long time even though I've been listening to electronic music since the late 90's. Moodymann has some really really good tracks. Wish I would have listened to some friends recommendations a long time ago, but it's nice to find a new catalog of tunes to go through. Legend status for the heads for sure.
Gotta preface this by saying I love geto boys and I love bushwick bill(rip), but here’s my take.Absolutely agree with this sentiment right here sure Bushwick Bill was definitely a better hype man than flavor flav and street cred.
Bushwick was clearly the weakest member of the geto boys, look no further than the track Chuckie. But after using him for the cover of we can’t be stopped he became irreplaceable.
Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.
Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.
Blonde is overrated as hell.
Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.
Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.
Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.
Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.Expand QuoteDaft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.
Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.
Blonde is overrated as hell.
Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.
Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.
Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.[close]
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?
With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments, I don't mind it at all.
Look I'm not going to front and say I didn't clown on them/secretly liked them when they were around and yea I did own quite a few albums and shirts for the most part.I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?Expand QuoteKorn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.
With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments, I don't mind it at all.[close]
Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........
Tell that to my jazz bassist friend who practically sucks Fleas dick...... Dude is on some other level kook when it comes to music tastes.Expand QuoteFaith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........[close]
I feel like that’s not a hot take it’s just having functioning hearing.
Here’s my contribution for the day...
If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.
Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.
I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.
Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
Expand QuoteHere’s my contribution for the day...
If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.
Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.[close]
What Alan Lomax did to capture those historical songs is amazing.
Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
If you're in to music and heavy riffs you'll like it IMO...... I'm a bass player and I've found that weird semblance of playing around with pedals and going to weird places in music and drums.I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.Expand Quote
Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.[close]
how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...
I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?Expand QuoteKorn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.
With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments, I don't mind it at all.[close]
Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Have we met before?Expand QuoteI was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?Expand QuoteKorn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.
With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments, I don't mind it at all.[close]
Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?[close]
i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.
i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38
the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
I bought Marilyn Manson's newest cd AND the t-shirt. Also just received notice that the frame I ordered for the poster of his painting that came with it is at the post office. I wasn't too much into the last 1-3 albums, but it's safe to say I'm a fan. I feel he's like Lady Gaga in the sense that people just see the meat dress and think "that awkward weirdo is trying too hard to shock me" where as the person inside is not even trying to play at their gameI like spooky kids part of his career whenever he became a solo artist it was mehhhh.
i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.Expand Quotehow to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.[close]
Also when did you start listening to them, that will heavily affect your opinion of them. HTCE was my first album of theirs and while everyone likes to say "they transformed into this huge progressive thrash band", even during my first listen (and with my very limited understanding of music) I was like, "these punks like Metallica".
I also adore John K Samson as a song writer too so perhaps I'm biased? My fav album is the split 10" with ISPY because I get John-era propganadhi and I also get to hear Todd's songs. Having said that, and if I'm being honest with myself, Failed States probably comes in at number 2 or 3 for me. Supporting Caste is solid though and I think in years to come we'll also need a beaver-era of the band too when comparing their collective work because he really brought a lot to the band! Have you heard his instrumental band Giant Sons? Awesome shit!
but yeah, musically of course their earlier work is going to sound shitty (I even owned their demo tapes) and there is a tonne of fans who think supporting caste is right up there.if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...Expand Quotethe sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.[close]
ThE Sex Pistols wEre so PUNX!!
yeah, oh really? I know nothing about punk music how fascinating ... oh look there is some paint drying on a wall, bye!
While the music isn't good and the fanbase is cringey, a few of ICP's albums entertained me for a good bit when I was a kid and I don't regret it.I co-sign this :-[
Have we met before?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?Expand QuoteKorn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.
With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments, I don't mind it at all.[close]
Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?[close]
i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.
i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38
the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk[close]
That Marilyn Manson comparison is fairly accurate anything before beautiful people was decent.
Tool to me wasn't my cup of tea however [NiN] is great for nongenre interludes for a vid.
When I drink by myself I listen to alot of shitty country music. I grew up extremely rural and don't miss it at all, but it's kinda calming to be reminded of home. Also, the Dixie Chicks slap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqgr7R4zUMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVTNjdFlYM
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
that's a good way to describe the pistols actually! fine if they are a gateway drug for you into punk, but die hard fans that think they are the epitome of the genre are pretty damn sad!!Expand QuoteI like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff[close]
I agree with this - ive always thought of the sex pistols being the punk equivalent of a lager tops - its sick when your dad gives you one when your 12 but its far from the real thing
i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).I'm glad you like John despite coming in at TETA, people who got into the band later are usually like, "who is this wimpy kermit the frog sounding fucker?" but I always loved the balance he brought the band and the weakerthans are easily one of my fav bands ever. I'm surprised that truPUNX would even like HTCE, it was pretty "poppy" if you're comparing to regular punk, and a lot of the lyrics are basically shitting on the punk scene, guess the message got lost in the music huh? probably the type of people that yell PLAY SKA SUCKS!!! in 2021...
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.It's true!
I fucked with Damnation and a Day, Nymphetamine and Thornography A LOT as well. Thornography must be my favorite album, so groovy and shit. It's one of those bands where even as a fan I find myself thinking at times if they would actually be better with another singer or not. Like, Dani Filth is a lot to handle and especially lately he seems all over the place and throwing those raptor squeals every where he can, but without him would they be anything?It's true!Expand QuoteThe Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.[close]
Changes and FX are both excellent Sabbath songs.
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
Expand QuoteI like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff[close]
Hahaha! This is true.
Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff[close]
Hahaha! This is true.
Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.[close]
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.
Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff[close]
Hahaha! This is true.
Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.[close][close]Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.Expand QuoteThe Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.[close]
I fucking love that song called steal my sunshineYeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
Yeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.Expand QuoteI fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video[close]
people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians
hell yes it is ^^^
Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.Expand Quotepeople only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians[close]
100% i cannot get into that dude
Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.Expand QuoteExpand Quotepeople only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians[close]
100% i cannot get into that dude[close]
As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...
They were not a fucking boy band. It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market. I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten. McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage. So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.
I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era... there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos). The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).
They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become. Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary. That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.
Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]
Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;
David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...
I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.
Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketedExpand QuoteIt's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.
Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]
Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;
David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...
I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.
Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.[close]
to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.
As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketedExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.
Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]
Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;
David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...
I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.
Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.[close]
to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.
As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.[close]
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...
They were not a fucking boy band. It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market. I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten. McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage. So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.
I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era... there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos). The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).
They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become. Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary. That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.
nah b
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketedExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.
Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]
Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;
David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...
I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.
Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.[close]
to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.
As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.[close]
oi! i think i started the Sex Pistols conversation on the first page, when i simply stated:
Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols
and i absolutely believe it is, but this being said, i too like the Sex Pistols, and the album mentioned...i literally was still playing with Star Wars figures and shit when some older punks in my family gave me a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and got a kick out of the fact that i would be playing Star Wars to "Bodies"
so Never Mind the Bollocks came out in 1977...i know it wasn't released until the late 1990s, but how fucking mindblowing is it that Bad Brains' Black Dots recordings happened not even two years later in 1979?
Black Dots is one of my all-time favorite albums from anyone, and my favorite Bad Brains album...honestly, as far as power, speed, and intensity this does make the Sex Pistols seem like a boy band, (edit:) although i know that the Bad Brains were influenced by them...
nah bExpand Quote
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.[close]
Expand QuoteAs a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling[close]
Can you give examples?
I back this........... Radiohead is garbage.Expand Quotenah bExpand Quote
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.[close][close]
yeah b. one of the worst bands of all time :) hehe
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...
They were not a fucking boy band. It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market. I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten. McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage. So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.
I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era... there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos). The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).
They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become. Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary. That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.
Man I liked them but I reckon thom yourke’s head went up his own arsehole years ago
Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.
https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k
Expand Quotea good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketedExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.
Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]
Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;
David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...
I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.
Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.[close]
to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.
As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.[close][close]
roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo
Expand QuoteExpand Quotea good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketedExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.
Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]
Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;
David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...
I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.
Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.
Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.[close]
to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.
As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.[close][close]
roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo[close]
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.
WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.
I love nu metalWhat's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.
What's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.Expand QuoteI love nu metal[close]
I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
Expand QuoteWhat's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.Expand QuoteI love nu metal[close]
I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.[close]
RATM and tool aren't new metal...
Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome
Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Expand QuoteWhat's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.Expand QuoteI love nu metal[close]
I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.[close]
Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome
Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g
Expand Quotethe Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g[close]
Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to “I believe in a thing called love”. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.Expand QuoteI love nu metal[close]
I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.[close]
Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome
Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely[close]
I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
I mean what else would you categorize them as? Maybe the progenitor to what Korn was trying to become?! IDK but thats what I have them in my music folder....Expand QuoteWhat's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.Expand QuoteI love nu metal[close]
I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.[close]
Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome
Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.Expand QuoteI love nu metal[close]
I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.[close]
Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome
Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely[close]
I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.[close]
Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's your favorite band from that genre? Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.Expand QuoteI love nu metal[close]
I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.[close]
Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome
Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely[close]
I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.[close]
Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome[close]
Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.Holy shit dude!!!!
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.
Expand Quoteadmittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM[close]
Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts. I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.
I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing. Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.Expand Quoteadmittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM[close]
Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts. I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.
I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing. Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteadmittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM[close]
Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts. I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.
I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing. Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.[close]
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY
For sure I use to get down while listening to this jam. It really shows our age when looking back at these types of bands.Expand QuoteBut on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteadmittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM[close]
Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts. I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.
I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing. Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.[close]
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY[close]
That’s definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound. Definitely their golden child and highest selling band.
I’m sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didn’t look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.
down for helmet, glad to see them brought upI've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool.
rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.
also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
Expand QuotePunkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.
https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k[close]
This was the most punk shit I’ve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it. They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).Yeah I honestly forgot about Faith No More, which makes a hell of a lot of sense.
I never really liked Led Zeppelin, sure their band is talented but Robert plants voice sucks..
But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like ToolIs the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?Expand QuoteBut if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool[close]
Because I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.Expand QuoteIs the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?Expand QuoteBut if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool[close][close]
I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
For sure I hear this a lot of these band’s were summed up together but completely totally different in similar styles but either toured together or had interwoven friendshipsBecause I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.Expand QuoteLimp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.Expand QuoteIs the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?Expand QuoteBut if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool[close][close]
I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.[close]
And in any case my original point here was that some like to lump bands as numetal and that automatically makes them bad, when in my opinion there is little in common between bands like Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down, especially as the bands matured, but all of these I have seen called numetal (not in this thread necessarily)
Rap is the most boring music genre there is.
rage against the machine and downset laid the foundation for nu metal. they’re the jumping off point for the genre, so it’s a valid classification. it’s like throwing emo on husker du in retrospect
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.
I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.Expand QuoteWarsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.[close]
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.
NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.
NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it. They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?
Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?Expand QuoteWarsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.[close]
I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool.Expand Quotedown for helmet, glad to see them brought up
rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.
also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.[close]
. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.Expand QuoteI've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool.Expand Quotedown for helmet, glad to see them brought up
rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.
also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.[close]
. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it[close]
Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.
Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will
Edit:
Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands 😀
What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool.Expand Quotedown for helmet, glad to see them brought up
rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.
also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.[close]
. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it[close]
Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.
Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will
Edit:
Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands 😀[close]
Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.
Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.
Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:
Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.
Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)
Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.Expand QuoteWhat I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool.Expand Quotedown for helmet, glad to see them brought up
rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.
also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.[close]
. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it[close]
Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.
Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will
Edit:
Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands 😀[close]
Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.
Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.
Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:
Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.
Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)
Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.[close]
really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.
all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.
these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.
i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs
this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
I fucking love Coldplay. I have their lyrics tattooed on my ribs.
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...
...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw
side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.
Expand Quotei feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...
...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw
side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.[close]
Wow, that's interesting. I love their cover and I love the original. I actually have a 7 inch that has both versions on each side.
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.
It’s REALLY good.
Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.
And KRS-One will always be a great song.
Expand QuoteI listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.
It’s REALLY good.
Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.
And KRS-One will always be a great song.[close]
I spent the Summer of 97 in PB, San Diego and there was a tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa) where I used to eat my Quesadillas. They had a jukebox but the only good songs were Caress Me Down by Sublime and Legalize it by Peter Tosh so I always listened to these songs while enjoying my Quesadillas. Hence this song will always remind me of those carefree days before or after a surf session at Mission Beach in the Summer of 97 in that tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa). I realise that's cheesy but then I was talking Quesadillas so it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?
Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool.Expand Quotedown for helmet, glad to see them brought up
rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.
also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.[close]
. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it[close]
Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.
Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will
Edit:
Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands 😀[close]
Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.
Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.
Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:
Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.
Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)
Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.[close]
really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.
all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.
these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.
i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs
this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII[close]
I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...
...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw
This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c
Yeah just keep going they started out as hardcore crust band,Expand QuoteWell I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool.Expand Quotedown for helmet, glad to see them brought up
rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.
also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.[close]
. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it[close]
Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.
Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will
Edit:
Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands 😀[close]
Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.
Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.
Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:
Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.
Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)
Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.[close]
really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.
all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.
these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.
i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs
this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII[close]
I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.[close]
so i've been listening to nurosis non-stop. i took the time to compare their output in 93 to tools and i think you are right they seemed a bit ahead of them and definitely missed out on a lot of shine. i'm not sure how no one i hung around with at the time was into them. i new one guy who rocked their shirt but i though it was some 70s band. going to dive into some of those other bands you mentioned too. good shit, thanks!Expand Quotei feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...
...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw[close]
For the cure this is probably one of my favorite tracks. They are definitely a top 10 band for me. Love that track but have you heard this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXwZ0H1oj0
Actually there are so many underrated lovey songs in their catalogExpand QuoteThis might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c[close]
100% agree. that song still gets me hyped. This ones pretty epic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFZK58DXfU
And then if your going to talk about Bauhaus you may as well throw out some skinny puppy. Feel they deserved more shine than they got, some great songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ulj3tut3o
Expand Quoteadmittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM[close]
Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts. I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.
I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing. Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-DwExpand QuoteExpand Quoteadmittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM[close]
Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts. I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.
I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing. Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.[close]
That was a great soundtrack.
What about this song?
http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.
It’s REALLY good.
Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.
And KRS-One will always be a great song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-DwExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteadmittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.
but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM[close]
Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts. I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.
A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.
I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing. Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.[close]
That was a great soundtrack.
What about this song?
http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk[close]
One would also include this a progenitor as a closer comparison
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.
It’s REALLY good.
Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.
And KRS-One will always be a great song.
The Specials were basically a cover band
I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.Expand QuoteI listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.
It’s REALLY good.
Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.
And KRS-One will always be a great song.[close]
I even like the track with Gwen and I fucking hate no doubt so that's really saying something. On paper it looks kinda cheesy but I think they really had their own niche at the time and album really represents that!
not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.bowie’s music always feels like he’s trying to be someone else. let’s dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whatever
bowie’s music always feels like he’s trying to be someone else. let’s dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whateverExpand Quotenot really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.[close]
U2 is the most overrated band ever
people think that diplo makes good music?Expand QuoteU2 is the most overrated band ever[close]
Actually they’re so overrated that the backlash kinda makes them underrated. Like 50 cent or Diplo.
Maybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer
Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles!!!
!!!Expand QuoteOh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles[close]
Expand Quote!!!Expand QuoteOh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles[close][close]
unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.
Expand QuoteExpand Quote!!!Expand QuoteOh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles[close][close]
unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.[close]
Are you Australian?
the story about steely dan making him record a guitar solo for like 10 straight hours largely because they were jealous of him is so fucking funny that it makes him, as a public figure, worth itExpand QuoteMaybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer[close]
Like a prayer is off the hook regardless of rack.
The little bit of guitar at the start before the closing door sound is Prince, the 12 inch version has a Prince solo in it too. Other promo versions and dub mixes feature sneaky little uncredited Prince samples too. Even with out Prince, it's still great. Did it get used in an RDS video somewhere along the line?
Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles, and while I'm thinking about things Australians don't like to hear you say {not sure if the rest of the world even knows this ghastly song} but I would love to never hear Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool again - but I don't like my chances. Sorry if that bums you out Matty C.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote!!!Expand QuoteOh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles[close][close]
unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.[close]
Are you Australian?[close]
Nah man, Im Scottish & everyone i know seems to fuckin hate the Eagles.. i kinda like em but i am definitely in the minority up here
Well, I wish I could tap into my Scottish ancestry and not be Australian just to remove the Eagles from my life. Everyone here seems to love them {well under 50 year olds too!}
This is a very weird question.
anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?
This is a very weird question.Expand Quote
anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?[close]
U2 is the most overrated band ever
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.
Grimple is worth a listen.
The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.
I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.
Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.
Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?
Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.
as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.
anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?
guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.
Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)
Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.
but this is just like my opinion man.
ps: Free Britney
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.
Grimple is worth a listen.
The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.
I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.
Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.
Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?
Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.
as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.
anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?
guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.
Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)
Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.
but this is just like my opinion man.
ps: Free Britney
speaking of performances, If you are paying over $150 to see a live performance it's not worth it.Expand QuoteU2 is the most overrated band ever[close]
oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c)
ps: Vinz
saw the stones in like $2,500 seats (i worked the show and got in for free) and will say that literally no show on earth is worth more than 150 (unless money means nothing to you). that show fully drove that point home. it was literally once in a lifetime stuff for me and i wouldn’t have spent 40 bucks for itspeaking of performances, If you are paying over $150 to see a live performance it's not worth it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteU2 is the most overrated band ever[close]
oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c)
ps: Vinz[close]
Expand QuoteRancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.
Grimple is worth a listen.
The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.
I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.
Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.
Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?
Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.
as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.
anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?
guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.
Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)
Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.
but this is just like my opinion man.
ps: Free Britney[close]
I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.
Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is. I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left. Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.I've heard this before
Expand QuoteRancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.
Grimple is worth a listen.
The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.
I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.
Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.
Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?
Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.
as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.
anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?
guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.
Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)
Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.
but this is just like my opinion man.
ps: Free Britney[close]
I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.
someone mentioned him so I guess this is my unpopular opinion but fuck Colter Wall. Kid used daddy's money/connections to get in with b-list songwriters and made a corny song about nothing that got play on bad tv shows
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteRancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.
Grimple is worth a listen.
The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.
I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.
Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.
Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?
Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.
as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.
anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?
guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.
Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)
Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.
but this is just like my opinion man.
ps: Free Britney[close]
I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.[close]
I still bump Rancid's and out come the wolves! and Operation Ivy for that matter!
also Tim Armstrong's first solo record has some hits as well
I don’t really get the big deal about Henry Rollins. He’s not particularly profound, funny, or interesting to me.Henry Rollins' never appealed to me same with Rancid I'm just not moved by Tim's voice or Lars bonehead crew.
ny hip hop is the bestEast coast and the south are the best than third coast with S.U.C. crew. Big hawk, Pimp C, Fat Pat Texas has a hefty weight for rap music.
toss up between the south and the west for #2 though
people are way too forgiving of dropkick murphys and all other cop punk bands
i don't really get the Sleaford Mods thing--i have a friend who loves them and has been sharing songs with me and i'm just not feeling it...funny to say that after just saying something positive about a band like U2 above...oh well.
i figure a bunch of heads in this thread are a bit younger, so this may not be that unpopular, but this is an incredible album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNyd9zL44s
i loved it earlier on, and tried getting a bunch of my early- to mid-1990s "indie" friends to give it a chance back when and none of them would even try--back when the "Sweater Song" was on the radio all of the time. since then over the years, a bunch of them have told me that they finally gave it a listen and got sucked right into it and loved it...although, to this day, i can't stand that fucking Buddy Holly song...it's like the slow extraction of a tooth.
it is the only album from Weezer that i like--haven't been able to listen to anything else since...
i put the banshees version on A LOT more, but everytime i hear iggy's i'm still blown away by it being such a great song.
one of the few examples of them both being as good as each other, being different, but not wildly different at all, but not a total regurgitation type cover. both so incredible!
Against Me is overrated IMO I could listen to reinventing axl rose but anything else is meh...
my unpopular opinions:
- punk is dead
- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either
- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out
Almost all shoegaze bands except MBV and Ride are fucking terrible.Expand Quotemy unpopular opinions:
- punk is dead
- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either
- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out[close]
I will never chill out. Punk is definitely dead, basically like Crass said in that one song. (BTW, with the exception of a couple songs, Crass absolutely sucks. Just an utter pigshit, dumb as dirt band that thinks its smart. I will die on that hill.) You are also correct about the Sex Pistols, who are useless except possibly as a gateway to better music.
Bear vs. shark is better than at the drive in.
Crass were the bad kind of anarchist, if I recall. Not syndicalists, but individualist anarchist, which is basically libertarian. Other bands on their label had way better politics and made better music (Zounds is a personal favorite). The first record is half good, but they get successively worse from then on, except for a few good tracks off of Penis Envy.
I’ll explain my opinion regarding the death of punk. Lots of bands play music in the style of punk, and many of them are very good; some are even better than actual first wave punk bands. However, punk isn’t just a style of music—it was a moment in history where things seemed truly up in the air and unsettled, where new possibilities presented themselves in music and beyond. When those possibilities closed off for various reasons, punk died and its remnants splintered into various scenes, which themselves eventually died and splintered. But the music itself still reverberates through bands that interpret that moment of possibility without actually having lived in it.
Punk most certainly is not dead, FUCK OFF blasphemers!!!!
Yeah most decent band’s have moved on from their initial inception. Sex Pistols were garbage Crass is not garbage, just my opinions though.
Punk is still around and kicking, maybe the scene sucks where you’ll live but that’s where you do something about it!
People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then. That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."
Expand QuotePeople still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then. That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."[close]
I think we're agreeing with each other dude
Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.
Also I'm 25. lol
Expand QuoteIdk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.
Also I'm 25. lol[close]
That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
Expand Quotehey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8[close]
@Deputy Wendell That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)
As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
https://youtu.be/d8m1nRzsOJMExpand QuoteExpand Quotehey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8[close]
@Deputy Wendell That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)
As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)[close]
cheers Frozen, i had heard both songs and i agree that despite loving the Misfits as is, it would indeed have been "wild and cool" if they had continued on with that set up--how did i not realize there is no guitar until now?
i'm right there with you on Change Today. based off of what you've said in this and other threads, you seem to have a pretty deep knowledge of skate video history, but just in case, Suregrip "Summer Sessions" is one of the reasons this album is especially important to me...this was one of the first videos i actually owned, and i pretty much wore that fucker out from playing it so much...especially the "Terror at Tahoe" part, which--deliciously enough--includes both of the songs you and i have been talking about...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os9JNx4pgs
i love the beginning Del Mar session to "Red Shadows" too!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIdk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.
Also I'm 25. lol[close]
That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.[close]
Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIdk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.
Also I'm 25. lol[close]
That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.[close]
Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.[close]
Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
Expand Quotehey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8[close]
@Deputy Wendell That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)
As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIdk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.
Also I'm 25. lol[close]
That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.[close]
Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.[close]
Not the same and "dead" are very different things.[close]
They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8[close]
@Deputy Wendell That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)
As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)[close]
Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8[close]
@Deputy Wendell That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)
As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)[close]
Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.[close]
Psyched to find out that other people like that TSOL record. And that era of the Misfits. Deputy, I haven't seen Summer Sessions before but I am psyched to watch it this weekend.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIdk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.
Also I'm 25. lol[close]
That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.[close]
Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.[close]
Not the same and "dead" are very different things.[close]
They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean[close]
In what context? Because you declared it? Every point you're making is being contradicted. There's no way anybody can pretend you're being close to reasonable.
man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
Expand Quoteman I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose[close]
No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."
All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks
the sex pistols were a boy band put together so vivenne westwood could sell clothes. public image was great
I enjoy a specific handful of punk bands but don't really find the overall sound of punk as a genre to be enjoyable. Deathgrind, grindcore, and black metal are where it's at for me. Blast beats are everything.
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteman I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose[close]
No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."
All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.[close]
you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteman I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose[close]
No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."
All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.[close]
you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.[close]
What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise. You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteman I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose[close]
No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."
All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.[close]
you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.[close]
What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise. You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.[close]
you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol. I'm not the first person to say punk is dead and I for sure won't be the last. I never said punk started in the 80s either. the point is whizzing past your head so i'm gonna gracefully bow out of this discussion now. peace bro
Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.
The labor movement were the anarcho punks
The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls
The beat movement
The original counter culture movement
77s punk
American Hardcore/Chicago house music
There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.
Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.
Expand QuoteEvery generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.
The labor movement were the anarcho punks
The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls
The beat movement
The original counter culture movement
77s punk
American Hardcore/Chicago house music
There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.
Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.[close]
This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point. The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations. There are no flappers in 2021. The beat movement was a flash in the pan. The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced. First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint. Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place.
The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement. Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.
Expand QuoteEvery generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.
The labor movement were the anarcho punks
The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls
The beat movement
The original counter culture movement
77s punk
American Hardcore/Chicago house music
There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.
Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.[close]
This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point. The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations. There are no flappers in 2021. The beat movement was a flash in the pan. The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced. First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint. Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place.
The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement. Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteEvery generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.
The labor movement were the anarcho punks
The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls
The beat movement
The original counter culture movement
77s punk
American Hardcore/Chicago house music
There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.
Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.[close]
This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point. The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations. There are no flappers in 2021. The beat movement was a flash in the pan. The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced. First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint. Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place.
The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement. Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.[close]
I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.
I apologize, I don’t think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasn’t a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteEvery generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.
The labor movement were the anarcho punks
The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls
The beat movement
The original counter culture movement
77s punk
American Hardcore/Chicago house music
There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.
Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.[close]
This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point. The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations. There are no flappers in 2021. The beat movement was a flash in the pan. The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced. First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint. Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place.
The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement. Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.[close]
I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.[close]
I'd answer this by saying that punk rock was not artistically successful in surviving the attempts to mainstream it, whereas hip-hop was very different in that some of the best hip-hop artists also wound up being quite successful, commercially. (Why is this? Perhaps punk being made by potential "insiders"--white, often middle-class bohemians--who were disposed to accept mainstream approval, as opposed to hip-hop, which was a product of the perpetually marginalized, who rightly mistrusted mainstream culture, has something to do with it.) There are extremely few artistic and commercial successes in punk, if any, to the point that commercial involvement in punk seems to have led to the original scene dying off and giving rise to more uncompromisingly aggressive or experimental music like hardcore and post-punk in an effort to preserve the ideals of free expression and independence that people read into early punk.
So the "spirit of punk" or whatever might have lived on through those scenes, but only in aesthetically and ideologically distinct forms. In that way, the comparison between post-punk and punk or hardcore and punk is probably closer to the comparison between punk and 60s counterculture, in that they might have certain affinities, but they're not exactly in continuity with each other. Nothing that came out of punk really even sounded like early punk for most of the 80s, until there was a sort of revival in the 90s and 00s which has continued and gotten richer to this day, which suggests that it wasn't particularly lively for most of that time.Expand QuoteI apologize, I don’t think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasn’t a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.[close]
No apologies necessary, dude, and thanks for the kind word. I'm a huge music and politics dork, so this type of discussion is a lot of fun for me.
As long as there is bullshit to rage against, young people will still continue making punk. The economic problems of the 70’s and threat of nuclear war gave us the nihilism that sparked punk.
We now have global warming and capitalism ruining every facet of life. Punk is still living in pockets (especially the queer and scenes in other countries, like Indonesia) and will return at some point.
Wrong. I do it all the time.
you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol.
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals
https://youtu.be/cY3oGfiJTpIExpand Quotewith the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals[close]
THANK YOU
The damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.
Expand QuoteThe damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.[close]
copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg
but so has this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.[close]
copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg
but so has this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0[close]
This guy gets it!
This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.[close]
copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg
but so has this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0[close]
This guy gets it!
This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48[close]
Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..
This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)
I mean whoever really put the sex pistols in the annals of "punk history" is a fucking toolbag with rocks for brains.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.[close]
copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg
but so has this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0[close]
This guy gets it!
This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48[close]
Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..
This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)[close]
now were talkin! fuckin great band
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals
bumping my own thread cause why not bb
I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.
Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
bumping my own thread cause why not bb
I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.
Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
Expand Quotebumping my own thread cause why not bb
I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.
Can someone fill me in on the appeal?[close]
i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI
i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?
Expand QuoteExpand Quotebumping my own thread cause why not bb
I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.
Can someone fill me in on the appeal?[close]
i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI
i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?[close]
i think the whole thing has more to do with mixing contradictory vibes and aesthetics than certain bands or waves in genres influencing the sound.
i mean agent orange and wipers had surf influences for sure, but i blame that on territory and/or the fact that they had not as broad a range of genres back then they could be influenced from. as an early punk band you most likely were influenced by fast and rugged rockn roll, glam rock, surf and then stuff like velvet underground or even funk and soul that was played with lots of temp and energy.
to me the surf-goth thing seems like it's mostly done by people who are actually not that much invested in either surf or goth. more like garage-indie rockers having this ironic idea of making music that at first evokes memories of sunny beaches, waves and bad ass surfers, but they turn the dramatic parts into dread and try to infuse it with gloom and apathy. the mental picture to me is a dead beach that has always bad weather, very murky water, kind of like the dogtown ocean park surf spot on a very gloomy day.
The red hot chili peppers suckI doubt anyone on here is really going to defend them, maybe mothers milk era but even then… pretty pukey
The red hot chili peppers suckdouchey fake chill surfer vibes. frat bros think theyre deep
I think The Cure sucks, I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I jut don’t like their sappy stuff at all.Same. Also Morrissey sucks. The Smiths super overrated however I like the song "Big Mouth Strikes Again"
hardcore just makes me cringe now. bunch of angry bald tough tattooed guys screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever. the cure is kooky too. thats not to say i havent seen them live but that was a lifetime ago back in high school
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)Made a few notes from my own opinions, Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.
Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth he’s weird but I like it.
Biggie c’mon buddy that’s a no brainer
Dystopia bruv you’re killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.
Will add more later as I remember
Made a few notes from my own opinions, Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.Expand QuoteThere are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)
Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth he’s weird but I like it.
Biggie c’mon buddy that’s a no brainer
Dystopia bruv you’re killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.
Will add more later as I remember[close]
For me I hate those bands that just don’t quite get it, they’re in a vein of something good but it’s either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags we’re original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when it’s not necessary.
Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you!
I really honestly don’t know why I consider them meathead music I I get like the first four fucking albums were like super good especially Keith Morrison and Dez Cadena.Expand QuoteMade a few notes from my own opinions, Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.Expand QuoteThere are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)
Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth he’s weird but I like it.
Biggie c’mon buddy that’s a no brainer
Dystopia bruv you’re killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.
Will add more later as I remember[close]
For me I hate those bands that just don’t quite get it, they’re in a vein of something good but it’s either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags we’re original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when it’s not necessary.
Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you![close]
It’s weird to me you would think this about black flag because they’re not meatheads whatsoever… maybe Rollins kinda became one later on during his solo years with his weightlifting and seriousness but he was never a dumb meathead. Black Flag were mostly scrawny nerdy guys who ended up having this huge meathead scene surround them, but the principal characters (Ginn, Dukowski, Robo, Kira, Dez, Morris) we’re just awkward punk rock weirdos.
I always loved that Greg Ginn’s favorite band was the Grateful Dead.
I don’t understand how anybody can not get into Black Flag or Mot�ad (at least the first 4 albums).
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I don’t really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.
Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.
Will add more later as I remember
yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I don’t really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.Expand QuoteThere are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)
Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.
Will add more later as I remember[close]
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), I’ve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genre…
Expand Quoteyes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I don’t really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.Expand QuoteThere are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)
Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.
Will add more later as I remember[close]
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), I’ve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genre…[close]
Motorhead were never a metal band, they were a rock n roll band, theyre just really really fuckin loud!
Theres a swing to a lot of their tunes that you dont get in metal.. i agree with you GISM, I hardly ever listen to metal these days, it gets so dull so fast but Motorhead are one of my all time faviurite bands
Man… Amebix “Arise” is a flawless album. Just the dark, apocalyptic vibe is what most crust/UK82 bands go for but don’t come close. They aren’t really a crust band in ‘sound’ though. Axe man is such a killer opening song:The power remains and Arise were my favorite album’s and still are. When I heard about The Baron being a denier was a deep hurt I felt as that band helped me through a lot of pain as a kid.
http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo (http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo)
Pretty tarnished by their singers Holocaust denial though.
Personally, I like hardcore that’s just lightning speed punk rock… fast, snotty and not a trace of metal.
http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE (http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE)
http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8 (http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8)
http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8 (http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8)
rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.preach!
Kim Deal is the second best bassist the Pixies have had.
Y’all are sleeping on some incredible rapI back this, for those who are complaining about not finding something new you’ll are not going deep enough there’s always something new you haven’t heard before if you can dig deep in the rabbit hole.
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs
There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didn’t yet know you liked.
preach!Expand Quoterap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.[close]
Y’all are sleeping on some incredible rap
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs
I have been very much enjoying RTJ in the recent years, I think they represent something that is different and fresh and current and they can put you in a good head nodding mood and then bum you out on some real shit you needed to hear too. To me they are very mainstream so I imagine everyone would be aware of them but just in case someone doesn't know what I'm talking about I'll link a song below.Expand QuoteThere is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didn’t yet know you liked.[close]
And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!Expand Quotepreach!Expand Quoterap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.[close][close]
I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.
I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.
Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didn’t yet know you liked.[close]
And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!Expand Quotepreach!Expand Quoterap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.[close][close]
I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.
I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.
Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.[close]
But yeah I've fallen of the rap wagon while getting older too, mumble rap and autotune crap and all that.
i hear yaExpand Quotepreach!Expand Quoterap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.[close][close]
I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.
I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.
Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.I back this, I wouldn’t say New Order is superior to Joy Division but New Order is definitely talented.
Prefab Sprout is one of the most underrated bands of all time.
Danzig's output outside of The Misfits isn't as good as The Misfits, but The Misfits stuff that Danzig recorded solo is the best Misfits.
Disclose is better than Discharge.
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.I think the hard part with Joy Division is that they released all their best songs as singles, so their albums, which I like, aren't "great" when they could have been.
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??
I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board
aight back to hot takes
I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me
Glad to see the Clash hate in here. Although they got some good traxx, i would gladly have them not exist if it meant dumb shit they inspired also didn't exist. IE rancid, etc....i do actually really like mick jones though. i just maybe think joe strummer sucks. who was that guy on enjoi with the fedora? he prob wears that terrible fedora cause of strummer.this song was made for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8zs898lr4
I've been listening to punk/ hardcore since... 1985 I think? or 1984? My unpopular opinions are:
-I don't like the Ramones. I've always not liked them. I know they influenced this and that, but they do exactly 0 for me. I even saw them in 1990 I think, because all my buds were so hyped, but I just stood there trying to count how many songs may be left.
-Also not that big on the Clash. There are some songs that I like, but just not into them overall and own 0.
-Not sure if this is a thing or not, but I've seen (online and in real life) that it is "cool" to say Ron Reyes is the best Black Flag singer. I think he was easily the worst. I do think Rollins was the best (Damaged), but the music changed a lot during his tenure. The 1982 demos with him singing are awesome. (also a big fan of Dez singing and Keith Morris too, but Ron I could not stand)
-PiL was a great band. Way more interesting than the Pistols were, although I was a fan.
Again, everyone's different and those are my opinions. I know my distaste of the Ramones has been deemed sacrilege, but what are you gonna do? If you don't like it, you don't like it. I've been in a lot of stupid arguments over the years for that one, usually with the :
"How can you not like the Ramones?"
"Easily" - me
I'm way more into the UK82 style (Exploited, GBH, Discharge, Broken Bones) and old Hardcore punk stuff (Minor Threat, Cro-Mags, old Agnostic Front, Sheer Terror, Circle Jerks, 7 Seconds, Adolescents, old Suicidal) and also the Accused, Septic Death, Napalm Death.. oh and Dystopia also! BUT also.. i love 80s music (Duran Duran, Alphaville, A-Ha, the Smiths etc) and 70s classic rock stuff (Marshall Tucker Band, Skynyrd etc) AND Beethoven as well. Also my favorite band of all time is probably Pink Floyd so there is that too.
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??bob dylan johnny cash and tom waits. they do nothing for me
I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board
aight back to hot takes
I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now it’s time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.
All are better than the Descendents.
Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the “band” for you.
EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, let’s have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, let’s do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and I’ll show you a god damn liar.
Bob Dylan is probably the most overrated musician ever. He can’t sing, his tunes are terrible, and every single one of them without exception is about 3 minutes longer than it needs to be. He’s definitely lucky he was “of a certain time and place”, because that shit is objectively terrible.
hahahaha^
@HeavyAndExpensive just showed their cards and now everything they say holds no weight
can't talk shit on eyehategod and be backing ALL
You don’t like Bad Brains, Crass or Eyehategod but you listen to All?
I think you just have shitty taste in music.
alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terriblewoah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you don’t like? Or you just hate them in general?
Crass is more of a concept, than an actual band you listen to for the music. Sure they weren’t great musicians (and even they’ll admit that), but their output and overall influence on punk/ diy is second to none!
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now it’s time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.
All are better than the Descendents.
Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the “band” for you.
EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, let’s have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, let’s do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and I’ll show you a god damn liar.
What do you listen to when nobody is watching? I guarantee it’s not Crass. I feel like I take crazy pills when anybody pretends they like that cacophonous garbage. They’d rather be writing political manifestos than even attempt to write songs but we all pretend like we enjoy it cause “they’re cool” and everyone forgets first and foremost they’re supposed to be fcking band that you know, writes SONGS. The idea that they are special as a punk band because they’re a package deal is laughable. Do you know how many punk bands managed to have a cool image without the terrible music? It’s like if they made Food Not Bombs a band, sounds great until you actually have to eat it
I mean, listen to this, it’s fucking terrible!!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4 (https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4)
I think the Descendents are easily one of the most overrated bands in punk/hardcore. Their first album is fine if not just for the nostalgia of the time when I first heard it. Beyond that I find them mostly horrible. They have the odd song here and there I won't ask to be turned off, but it feels like a broken clock situation. So much of it is pure incelcore and when I hear dudes over the age of like, 18, going on about how much "I'm The One" means to them it makes me skin crawl. Every single time I talk shit about this band people get up in a froth telling me how wrong I am.
ALL is terrible all around.
I’m going to gnar anyone who critiques a band who put out at least a song this decade
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King gizzard, while I think they're a decent band, is one of the most gimmicky bands of the past decade. Not every album needs a half baked theme.
Quote from: Huell Howserwoah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you don’t like? Or you just hate them in general?Expand Quotealright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible[close]
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I won’t kook you for being honest but I’m trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and that’s a pretty big call from him!
Expand QuoteQuote from: Huell Howserwoah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you don’t like? Or you just hate them in general?Expand Quotealright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible[close]
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I won’t kook you for being honest but I’m trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and that’s a pretty big call from him![close]
Admittedly I did like a few songs off their first album in high school and I could probably listen those songs if they came on but, I am not going out of my way to listen to them
and for me personally Bill Stevenson is not someone I would consider an authority on music...
This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band
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This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.
I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music.
They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.Expand QuoteNo way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.
I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.[close]
Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.
I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.
Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNo way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.
I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.[close]
Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.
I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.
Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.[close]
Personally I don’t care who is ”considered the best” especially over different time periods, and I don’t claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.
Expand QuoteThey played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNo way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.
I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.[close]
Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.
I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.
Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.[close]
Personally I don’t care who is ”considered the best” especially over different time periods, and I don’t claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.[close]
I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?
I don’t see your point, this was not a question of who progressed most favorably but rather of overall greatness. So if 3 out of 10 years were spent wanking about with sitars that negates driving people out of their minds with the live performances?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNo way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.
I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.[close]
Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.
I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.
Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.[close]
Personally I don’t care who is ”considered the best” especially over different time periods, and I don’t claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.[close]
I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?[close]
Edit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.
They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.
I always thought the Oasis was lame so in terms of that comparison you probably have a better perspective. They were popular during a time when my view of music was still very black and white (mostly black) so I probably didn't give them a fair chance, but they are somewhere in the vicinity of Coldplay on my mind, a band that apparently a lot of people like, enough so that they would likely be called influencial, but to me is just whiny garbage on the radio.
Expand QuoteEdit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.[close]
100%, I love this. Wouldn't have posted this take if I expected overwhelming agreement. I enjoy telling people this take, especially if they're Beatles fans, cause lots of different people like The Beatles for a wealth of different reasons, so I find it fascinating to hear all the various justifications of their side.
Like I said, I think the only one I can't get behind is the "they did it first, there would be no Beatles without Oasis". This is true, Oasis' direct nods (and blatant rips) to The Beatles aside, The Beatles influence on rock music as a whole is arguably one of the most wide spread in Western music. But, I believe bands have taken the formula and improved upon it in the same way no would argue the Model T is the best car ever. (I also realize "best" in music is ultimately a fruitless debate when it gets to semantics). In a hardcore sense, I think Madball is one of the best, most important and influential bands in hardcore, but I'd take Trapped Under Ice's discography over theirs any day.Expand QuoteThey played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.[close]
But in regards to this, I think my argument that I appreciate Oasis' priority to be a live act stems more from the craftsmanship and execution to it. The swagger, the massive guitar tones, Liam borderline blowing his voice out, I think they are a supreme live act and they barely make any movements, they're just that good. Basically I think that this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZK7uLEx6is&ab_channel=ezemaster89
is waaaaaay cooler than this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTsB-llTzyc&ab_channel=HDBeatles
but again, thats just my opinion! loving the discussion fellas
I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think it’s kind of apples and oranges. ”Rock” in general means ”radio music” in the 2000s so I’m not big into that genre but I don’t think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ”alternative” enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?
Dude…Oasis, really?
If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think it’s kind of apples and oranges. ”Rock” in general means ”radio music” in the 2000s so I’m not big into that genre but I don’t think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ”alternative” enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?Expand QuoteI struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.[close]
in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anywayit's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.
Also hi DaleSr hope all this coldplay talk is validating you
it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.Expand Quotein middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway[close]
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Lol!Expand QuoteIf we continue to look at different eras in history I still think it’s kind of apples and oranges. ”Rock” in general means ”radio music” in the 2000s so I’m not big into that genre but I don’t think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ”alternative” enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?Expand QuoteI struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.[close][close]
I think most of what's been mentioned would count. Maybe throw the strokes in there. I don't think rock has really been culturally relivant since the early 00's though, and the strokes were kinda the band to be back then.
Obviously there's no shortage of great rock bands if you just look. What's everyones pick for whos the best now?
I'm a huge stan, but I don't think anyone touches John Dwyer/Thee Oh Sees when it comes to rock n roll. I think he's easily the most consistent, covers a wide variety of sounds and style, and puts on a kick ass show. He's put out like 30 albums in the past 20 years, and there are less than a handful that I don't enjoy (OCS stuff and the early freak folk albums).
Ok, my hot take.
The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.
Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they weren’t scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.
And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent I’ll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesn’t change the previous observations for me.
Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.
Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paul’s Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.
Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I can’t believe it’s not ghost-written.
And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.
Mylo Xyloto
Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.
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Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.[close]
Dale, thank you for reminding me of this album. I remember it being one of the first albums I got on my new iPod Touch alongside El Camino by The Black Keys in 2011.
I will agree that Charlie Brown is indeed a banger. I really did forget this album existed.
Expand QuoteOk, my hot take.
The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.
Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they weren’t scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.
And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent I’ll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesn’t change the previous observations for me.
Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.
Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paul’s Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.
Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I can’t believe it’s not ghost-written.
And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.[close]
Glad you brought this up, as I fucking hate the Beastie Boys. "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AW YEAAAAAAH!!" God their voices are like nails on a chalkboard.
It's got a really great chorus. We'll run wild. We'll be glowing in the dark.
Also you're making me feel old as fuck because that album was on heavy rotation when i moved to Portland right after high school and that was ten years ago
I never got into Beastie Boys up until a few years ago. I'd heard License to Ill and Paul's, but never gave anything else a shot. When I found Check Your Head and Ill Communication, I played them both for like a week straight. I remember listening to those albums thinking "damn, they got a sick backing band for a lot of these tracks" not even knowing it's them playing. I think you've got a point that they're not the best rappers, but as a group I really think they deserve all the credit they get. They did their own thing the way they wanted to do it, and I admire that a lot.
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.
the last band shirt i had was sp and although theyre pretty good idk im kinda over wearing band shirts now. def wouldnt wear a u2 shirt though lmaoExpand Quoteit's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.Expand Quotein middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway[close][close]
I‘d wear a Nirvana shirt over a U2 shirt any day. I remember being blown away by Smells Like Teen Spirit when it came out. Same with RATM debut, these albums were genre defining and I kinda felt I was witnessing history being made.
CHeck your Head and Paul’s boutique are classics, maybe they weren’t the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!
Expand QuoteCHeck your Head and Paul’s boutique are classics, maybe they weren’t the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group![close]
how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo
yes, loved it but I think they fall short if you judge them as a one genre band; that’s why check your head (and Ill Communication) rules so hard, it’s like a perfect 90s mix tape!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCHeck your Head and Paul’s boutique are classics, maybe they weren’t the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group![close]
how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo[close]
Loved it.
fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.
nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.
Not really an unpopular opinion, but I don’t know where else to post this. This guy I work with occasionally, hates the song Abracadabra by Steve Miller Band. Personally I think it’s a pretty non offensive classic rock tune but I get it. But since he seems to bring it up way more than what should be acceptable, whenever he’s working with us I pretend to organically play Abracadabra loudly and act surprised when he explains for the 400th time that he can’t stand the song. If I’m feeling really spicy I’ll play the Sugar Ray cover and act especially ignorant when he expresses his disdain
Thrash is way sicker than punk as a genreI love thrash, but there are only like 5-6 quality bands and the rest are 6th tier imposters. Sure there's lots of shit punk bands too, but punk has enough sub-genres to keep it interesting ... at least imo
Rap still has good shit coming out
fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.
nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
Expand Quotefuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.
nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.[close]
You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana.
People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.
Nirvana rules.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotefuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.
nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.[close]
You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana.
People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.
Nirvana rules.[close]
and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotefuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.
nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.[close]
You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana.
People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.
Nirvana rules.[close]
and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic[close]
How is that not a positive thing? Before Nevermind there was no chance for any punk/punk adjacent band to really make a significant dent in record sales. There were a number of bands that did okay within their niche fanbases but few of them were really "successful" in the traditional sense. Lots of well deserving bands and small labels really got a boost in the 90's cuz of the Nirvana craze despite having little to nothing to do with that scene, many of whom are still doing cool things to this day.
it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.Expand Quotein middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway[close]
Not really an unpopular opinion, but I don’t know where else to post this. This guy I work with occasionally, hates the song Abracadabra by Steve Miller Band. Personally I think it’s a pretty non offensive classic rock tune but I get it. But since he seems to bring it up way more than what should be acceptable, whenever he’s working with us I pretend to organically play Abracadabra loudly and act surprised when he explains for the 400th time that he can’t stand the song. If I’m feeling really spicy I’ll play the Sugar Ray cover and act especially ignorant when he expresses his disdain
I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, I can't fucking stand Eminem. He sounds like a whiny little bitch, and upon repeated listens; crazy frog. Every day some annoying fuck brings his portable music player to the skatepark and subjects everyone to his shitty tastes in white rappers. He's in his 30's and hardly rides his board. He's there to annoy and posture as a tough guy. I've been avoiding the park and skating curbs instead. Part of me wants to buy a huge speaker system, place it right next to his, and blast exclusively show tunes or anything to drown out Eminem.
I too am here to shit on Eminem
Dude picks the wackest beats of all time,
raps about adam sandler shit as a 50 year old man,
shelves rappers that sign to shady in a way that would make Dr Dres Detox delays seem reasonable,
and gets put in GOAT conversations ONLY off technical ability despite most of his music being ridiculously corny
Not to mention the elvis parallels and that ignorant section of his fanbase "not liking rap besides em"
Thrash is way sicker than punk as a genre
Rap still has good shit coming out
not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but pleasure to kill is my fav kreator album, everything else from them doesn't doesn't give me that many thrash boners....Expand QuoteThrash is way sicker than punk as a genre
Rap still has good shit coming out[close]
Extreme Aggression by Kreator is peak thrash 💯
I'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.
Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.
not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but pleasure to kill is my fav kreator album, everything else from them doesn't doesn't give me that many thrash boners....Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThrash is way sicker than punk as a genre
Rap still has good shit coming out[close]
Extreme Aggression by Kreator is peak thrash 💯[close]
Expand QuoteI'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.
Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.[close]
shit man, i know you qualify your comment with Kid Rock and all, but fuck, how low can that bar get man?
Eminem just opened some spaghetti restaurant right smack in the middle of the heavily policed, heavily surveilled urban theme park that is "New Detroit"--i.e. the hyper-gentrified 7-square-miles of this 139-square-mile city you hear about when fuckwits talk about Detroit going through some kind of "rebirth--and in most of the pictures, eminem's glaring and/or flipping the camera off like the fatuous embodiment of white, inner-ring-suburban angst he still absurdly is in his 40s or whatever stage of adulthood he's reached--i guess despite being a millionaire/billionaire...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.
Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.[close]
shit man, i know you qualify your comment with Kid Rock and all, but fuck, how low can that bar get man?
Eminem just opened some spaghetti restaurant right smack in the middle of the heavily policed, heavily surveilled urban theme park that is "New Detroit"--i.e. the hyper-gentrified 7-square-miles of this 139-square-mile city you hear about when fuckwits talk about Detroit going through some kind of "rebirth--and in most of the pictures, eminem's glaring and/or flipping the camera off like the fatuous embodiment of white, inner-ring-suburban angst he still absurdly is in his 40s or whatever stage of adulthood he's reached--i guess despite being a millionaire/billionaire...[close]
Had to be a spaghetti joint, right? „Vomit on my sweater, mom‘s spaghetti“ ;D
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.
Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.[close]
shit man, i know you qualify your comment with Kid Rock and all, but fuck, how low can that bar get man?
Eminem just opened some spaghetti restaurant right smack in the middle of the heavily policed, heavily surveilled urban theme park that is "New Detroit"--i.e. the hyper-gentrified 7-square-miles of this 139-square-mile city you hear about when fuckwits talk about Detroit going through some kind of "rebirth--and in most of the pictures, eminem's glaring and/or flipping the camera off like the fatuous embodiment of white, inner-ring-suburban angst he still absurdly is in his 40s or whatever stage of adulthood he's reached--i guess despite being a millionaire/billionaire...[close]
Had to be a spaghetti joint, right? „Vomit on my sweater, mom‘s spaghetti“ ;D[close]
It's literally called Mom's Spaghetti and they sell leftover style spaghetti out of a take out window for like $13. Stans line up down the block for it. Ridiculous.
And to clarify, I'm not trying to defend Emimem, just stating that as far as Detroit artists go, he's not the the worst. Kid Rock is, by a long shot. Bob Seger also sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4JCbKDQsks
Murder, Murder from the Slim Shady EP is one of my favorite narrative rap songs of all time. The beat, the vivid story-telling, it's a great song.
That's my unpopular opinion for the day.
I remember when I first heard Just Don't Give a Fuck on the local college radio station (the original version) and I was blown away. I listened every night to hear that song. I went to the record store every week to ask if they had any M+M records. I didn't know until I saw the first video on MTV how it was actually spelled. I feel like it was at least a year later. I didn't know he was white until I saw the video.
I feel like this type of thing is missing from our world today. This discovery of new things. Everything is just there when you want it.
Expand QuoteMurder, Murder from the Slim Shady EP is one of my favorite narrative rap songs of all time. The beat, the vivid story-telling, it's a great song.
That's my unpopular opinion for the day.
I remember when I first heard Just Don't Give a Fuck on the local college radio station (the original version) and I was blown away. I listened every night to hear that song. I went to the record store every week to ask if they had any M+M records. I didn't know until I saw the first video on MTV how it was actually spelled. I feel like it was at least a year later. I didn't know he was white until I saw the video.
I feel like this type of thing is missing from our world today. This discovery of new things. Everything is just there when you want it.[close]
Definitely not agreeing with this sentiment to hate on contemporary stuff, but I do think the accessibility to subculture that people have these days is a double-edged sword.
It is so sick that people can find out about things without having to go through traditional gatekeepers, but also so much of everything is immediately accessible that folks that there is no real process of discovery and reconciliation. And I for sure get that there are other struggles in the world that matter so, so much more, but I do feel like this sort of thing is less of an investment for people these days.
Pop music is some of the best there is.
Case and point below.
abbas not bad
abbas not badI know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in general
I know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in generalExpand Quoteabbas not bad[close]
Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement
Expand QuoteI know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in generalExpand Quoteabbas not bad[close]
Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement[close]
For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in generalExpand Quoteabbas not bad[close]
Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement[close]
For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)[close]
This is a fact, and Pump Up The Volume is a must watch for any 70s/ 80s music fan to get a sense of renewed perspective
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in generalExpand Quoteabbas not bad[close]
Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement[close]
For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)[close]
This is a fact, and Pump Up The Volume is a must watch for any 70s/ 80s music fan to get a sense of renewed perspective[close]
Following this up with the addition of fantastic documentary about Chicago House music. An offshoot of disco music that had its roots in the black lgbtqia+ scene in Chicago. High key fucking love Chicago house.
https://youtu.be/9Rah1F1zq1k
alright finally!! this is something that picked up on when I started doing heelflip Body variels or "heelflip Sex change" or more commonly known as the "disco flip". super illegal flatground trick, but when I was younger i thought it was because skating comes from a punk background and the punks also hated disco thus they named the ugly trick as such. This one is way more thought out than the gay twist. kook me but current house and hip hop sences are so removed from what I consider their prime years that I cant stand to listen to most of it. Like if house and hip hop were neighborhoods, they would have already been gentrified. lolExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in generalExpand Quoteabbas not bad[close]
Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement[close]
For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)[close]
This is a fact, and Pump Up The Volume is a must watch for any 70s/ 80s music fan to get a sense of renewed perspective[close]
Following this up with the addition of fantastic documentary about Chicago House music. An offshoot of disco music that had its roots in the black lgbtqia+ scene in Chicago. High key fucking love Chicago house.
https://youtu.be/9Rah1F1zq1k[close]
The one rules too! There is some crossover but both need to be seen for sure.
Electronic music as we know it exists because of black and queer innovators, and it makes me a little crazy that (particularly with the fetishization of Berlin club culture) it is so often viewed through this Eurocentric lens.
Pop music is some of the best there is.
Case and point below.
Smashing Pumpkins in their prime were better than Nirvana. This is not a judgment on character, as Billy Corgan is a douche. But from about 1990 until whenever Mellon Collie came out he wrote some bangers. The guitars a bit louder, the solos just a bit sweeter. And the drumming? Fughettaboutit. Full disclosure I am not a NiRvANa fan at al.
I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jrNow this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Zappa made really interesting and cool music, he was just a tremendous asshole.
I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr
I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jrif this doesn’t change your mind, I don’t know what will…
dinosaur jr is just sonic youth for people who don't shower
Damn i didn't forsee me saying Dino jr isn't for me being my most unpopular opinion. This is great haha
Expand QuoteDamn i didn't forsee me saying Dino jr isn't for me being my most unpopular opinion. This is great haha[close]
i still love you Dale
Except for Wings though. Wings is objectively horrible.
I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.
And yet it's popular to think all pop music is top 40 garbage.Expand QuotePop music is some of the best there is.
Case and point below.[close]
You do know this is the unpopular opinions thread, and that "pop" is short for "popular"?
And yet it's popular to think all pop music is top 40 garbage.Expand QuoteExpand QuotePop music is some of the best there is.
Case and point below.[close]
You do know this is the unpopular opinions thread, and that "pop" is short for "popular"?[close]
Also, Led Zeppelin is popular so does that make them pop music?
To defend the honor of @DaleSr i will say I like deep wound more than dinosaur jr.Im listening to let’s go to the mall rn haha! I saw dinosaur jr. in 2018 and they sucked.
Except for Wings though. Wings is objectively horrible.Expand Quote
I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.[close]
I'm late to the party, but I also prefer Oasis to the Beatles.What are you high on crack or meth? How the actual goddamn fuck do you compare the two?!
That's not to say the Beatles don't have some good songs, I just never got into them other than said songs (Yesterday, Elanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, I Get By, I'm Only Sleeping). And good people have tried to change my opinion, but no dice.
I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.Now this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.Expand QuoteI also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr[close]
What are you high on crack or meth? How the actual goddamn fuck do you compare the two?!Expand QuoteI'm late to the party, but I also prefer Oasis to the Beatles.
That's not to say the Beatles don't have some good songs, I just never got into them other than said songs (Yesterday, Elanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, I Get By, I'm Only Sleeping). And good people have tried to change my opinion, but no dice.
I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.Now this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.Expand QuoteI also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr[close][close]
Just cause they’re from England has very little to no comparison to their sound.
How many albums are there of The Beatles versus Blowais that you either skip and skip and play one song on an entire album? I’ll be here patiently waiting…….
I’m just kidding though, I can get some comparisons relatively but Beatles have a huge discography compared to Oasis.Expand QuoteWhat are you high on crack or meth? How the actual goddamn fuck do you compare the two?!Expand QuoteI'm late to the party, but I also prefer Oasis to the Beatles.
That's not to say the Beatles don't have some good songs, I just never got into them other than said songs (Yesterday, Elanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, I Get By, I'm Only Sleeping). And good people have tried to change my opinion, but no dice.
I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.Now this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.Expand QuoteI also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr[close][close]
Just cause they’re from England has very little to no comparison to their sound.
How many albums are there of The Beatles versus Blowais that you either skip and skip and play one song on an entire album? I’ll be here patiently waiting…….[close]
Haha, I based my post on an earlier discussion in the thread, check it out a couple pages back.
All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.
I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.
I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.
All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.
I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.
I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.
Expand QuoteAll of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.
I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.
I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.[close]
This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.
I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.
I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.[close]
This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.[close]
I actually feel like our generation (sort of) actually pushed this weird 90’s fascination. The whole “the 90’s were better blah blah” and now the next one is pushing that Y2K was better and so on. So I feel like there’s a massive overrated phenomenon across 90’s music. Meanwhile most of my pals who were adults in those times don’t understand this fascination either… maybe because indie music exploded in that decade? I’m not into nirvana and pearl jam an all those bands at all too, few individual songs I like, can’t bother with the rest
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.
I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.
I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.[close]
This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.[close]
I actually feel like our generation (sort of) actually pushed this weird 90’s fascination. The whole “the 90’s were better blah blah” and now the next one is pushing that Y2K was better and so on. So I feel like there’s a massive overrated phenomenon across 90’s music. Meanwhile most of my pals who were adults in those times don’t understand this fascination either… maybe because indie music exploded in that decade? I’m not into nirvana and pearl jam an all those bands at all too, few individual songs I like, can’t bother with the rest[close]
But I think the 90’s actually WERE fascinating, not just indie exploded.
EVERYTHING exploded. All different types of punk, ska, big band, drum&bass, hip hop had its Golden Era with a ton of diversity, and new styles including trip hop.
And then you have it hand in hand with the explosions of new school skateboarding and snowboarding. It really was exciting, with people innovating constantly.
It was a culture-wide renaissance after the excesses of the 80’s.
Alright I’ll stir the pot. I’d rather listen to Wings Greatest Hits over any Beatles album. Junior’s Farm, With A Little Luck, Let Em In… all bangers. I will admit that some of Paul’s songwriting and lyrics are dumb as hell though.Expand QuoteExcept for Wings though. Wings is objectively horrible.Expand Quote
I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.[close][close]
Wings is not good. George is the best Beatle. It's a low key good thing for John's legacy that he was martyred because he would be fucking insufferable now. I feel like he would make Morrissey look like mother Teresa
I love the aquabats more than I love some serious bands so I kinda sorta get the ween take. Ween’s alright. This is coming from someone who enjoys ska though so what the hell do I know.
I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.
Ughhh I can already hear the doofuses voice. Part of the reason I don’t like going to a skate park I don’t give a shit.Expand QuoteI hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.[close]
That shit is guaranteed burn out music down here. So many mediocre doofuses who love white guy reggae shlock. I can see some dude named trent with black fly sunglasses, a rebelution tee, o neill shorts and plaid DCs that he's had since 03 rolling up to me on a sector 9 with the dirtiest bong stashed in his back pack blasting santeria through a Bluetooth speaker.
I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.
Expand QuoteI hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.[close]
Is this really an unpopular opinion? Has anyone ever met a decent human being that enjoys Sublime?
The landlord of one of my old apartments was trying to fuck this girl who was doing an internship in the city I was living so he let her move into the house for the duration of her internship. She quickly became friends with all the local crusty hippy idiots and would invite them over for dinner parties which was almost always vegan curry. They would sit around the house eating curry and smoking dirt weed sometimes breaking out banjos or ukuleles or some other obnoxious instruments which they would play very poorly and they would all sing along. It was quite a scene.
Anyways, one night I left the house around 8pm to get some dinner with friends and then to go to a party after. Normal Saturday night stuff. When I left the house one of the guys was freestyle rapping (obviously very poorly) over Santeria while one of the other idiots was slamming the keys on our piano trying to find the “groove” of the song I guess. I left the house, got into my friend’s car and just starting laughing. It was awful.
When I returned to the house at around 3am that night I walked in the door and the same guy was rapping over the same song. I felt like I had walked into the Twilight Zone. It was unbelievable. The rest of the crew looked like absolute zombies like they had sat around smoking opium all night (which they had done in the house before so it wasn’t inconceivable) just listening to this guy.
To this day I wonder if he was rapping the entire time or what exactly had transpired in those 7 hours. It was surreal.
That was the moment I decided to move out of that house.
Sublime are fucking awful.
Sublime makes music for people that have puked into the ocean.
Honestly I don’t think anyone should die but if the singer didn’t overdose would they really matter?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.[close]
Is this really an unpopular opinion? Has anyone ever met a decent human being that enjoys Sublime?
The landlord of one of my old apartments was trying to fuck this girl who was doing an internship in the city I was living so he let her move into the house for the duration of her internship. She quickly became friends with all the local crusty hippy idiots and would invite them over for dinner parties which was almost always vegan curry. They would sit around the house eating curry and smoking dirt weed sometimes breaking out banjos or ukuleles or some other obnoxious instruments which they would play very poorly and they would all sing along. It was quite a scene.
Anyways, one night I left the house around 8pm to get some dinner with friends and then to go to a party after. Normal Saturday night stuff. When I left the house one of the guys was freestyle rapping (obviously very poorly) over Santeria while one of the other idiots was slamming the keys on our piano trying to find the “groove” of the song I guess. I left the house, got into my friend’s car and just starting laughing. It was awful.
When I returned to the house at around 3am that night I walked in the door and the same guy was rapping over the same song. I felt like I had walked into the Twilight Zone. It was unbelievable. The rest of the crew looked like absolute zombies like they had sat around smoking opium all night (which they had done in the house before so it wasn’t inconceivable) just listening to this guy.
To this day I wonder if he was rapping the entire time or what exactly had transpired in those 7 hours. It was surreal.
That was the moment I decided to move out of that house.
Sublime are fucking awful.[close]
https://youtu.be/zXo9nBLbBD0
This shit got me feeling like bigfoot bjornsen
Sublime makes music for people that have puked into the ocean.
I think I'd choose sublime over 311, but it's tough.
Expand QuoteSublime makes music for people that have puked into the ocean.[close]
ahahahaha
When it comes to mid 2000s rappers flirting with gothic elements in hip hop
Spaceghostpurrp>asap rocky
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.
I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.
I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.[close]
This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.[close]
I actually feel like our generation (sort of) actually pushed this weird 90’s fascination. The whole “the 90’s were better blah blah” and now the next one is pushing that Y2K was better and so on. So I feel like there’s a massive overrated phenomenon across 90’s music. Meanwhile most of my pals who were adults in those times don’t understand this fascination either… maybe because indie music exploded in that decade? I’m not into nirvana and pearl jam an all those bands at all too, few individual songs I like, can’t bother with the rest[close]
But I think the 90’s actually WERE fascinating, not just indie exploded.
EVERYTHING exploded. All different types of punk, ska, big band, drum&bass, hip hop had its Golden Era with a ton of diversity, and new styles including trip hop.
And then you have it hand in hand with the explosions of new school skateboarding and snowboarding. It really was exciting, with people innovating constantly.
It was a culture-wide renaissance after the excesses of the 80’s.
I love the aquabats more than I love some serious bands so I kinda sorta get the ween take. Ween’s alright. This is coming from someone who enjoys ska though so what the hell do I know.
ween is definitely not for me, but i got no qualms with that being someone's thing.
come to think of it, if ween was someone's thing, they'd probably be kinda fun to be around.
Expand Quoteween is definitely not for me, but i got no qualms with that being someone's thing.
come to think of it, if ween was someone's thing, they'd probably be kinda fun to be around.[close]
yes...i can in fact attest to this
the 90s were the first decade where you basically could buy into a subculture. not only were these subcultures now broadcasted via mtv and other things, the 90s were the decade that brought you chain stores selling punk, goth, and skate stuff. then towards the end of the 90s the internet accelerated that process even more. it was the start of commercialization and never before seen availability of goods that were traded only amongst dedicated communities before. with bad outcomes like hypercommercialization and a lot of fake shit coming up, and good outcomes like showing people alternative lifestyles and music.Maybe reincarnation is real and people miss their past lives, 20 year olds today were living in the 90s before reincarnation.
i feel like 90s nostalgia is fueled mainly by two things: the feeling that all the cool shit we like now was already done by then, which is typically coming up every twenty years or so. in the 90s people said the 70s were the last really good decade, in the 00s people were trying to emulate the 80s aesthetic and said man, the 90s were wack as fuck. and now those who were babies in the 90s or early 00s are interested in what they missed. naturally the nostalgia would be the strongest from those groups who were either in their adolescence, kid or teen years or those that barely missed it but sort of see themselves as "90s kids" because they were born 98 or something.
i personally don't miss the 90s that much.
also, it's funny to me to see The Offspring listed next to Dinosaur Jr above (sorry Dale)--the latter was on the original SST roster after all.
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also, it's funny to me to see The Offspring listed next to Dinosaur Jr above (sorry Dale)--the latter was on the original SST roster after all.[close]
Fair point, they're not totally equivalent, i was just lumping all the 90s bands in my mind together
Expand QuoteExpand Quotefuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.
nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.[close]
You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana.
People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.
Nirvana rules.[close]
quite literally with this--i always appreciated his K Records tattoo (Olympia, WA) which brought me--among many other splendid things--one of my all-time favorite bands and albumsthese are not fall colors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04)
and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc)
Maybe reincarnation is real and people miss their past lives, 20 year olds today were living in the 90s before reincarnation.Expand Quotethe 90s were the first decade where you basically could buy into a subculture. not only were these subcultures now broadcasted via mtv and other things, the 90s were the decade that brought you chain stores selling punk, goth, and skate stuff. then towards the end of the 90s the internet accelerated that process even more. it was the start of commercialization and never before seen availability of goods that were traded only amongst dedicated communities before. with bad outcomes like hypercommercialization and a lot of fake shit coming up, and good outcomes like showing people alternative lifestyles and music.
i feel like 90s nostalgia is fueled mainly by two things: the feeling that all the cool shit we like now was already done by then, which is typically coming up every twenty years or so. in the 90s people said the 70s were the last really good decade, in the 00s people were trying to emulate the 80s aesthetic and said man, the 90s were wack as fuck. and now those who were babies in the 90s or early 00s are interested in what they missed. naturally the nostalgia would be the strongest from those groups who were either in their adolescence, kid or teen years or those that barely missed it but sort of see themselves as "90s kids" because they were born 98 or something.
i personally don't miss the 90s that much.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotefuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.
nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.[close]
You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana.
People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.
Nirvana rules.[close]
quite literally with this--i always appreciated his K Records tattoo (Olympia, WA) which brought me--among many other splendid things--one of my all-time favorite bands and albumsthese are not fall colors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04)
and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc)[close]
Oh my god thank you for sharing Lync, they are unfathomably sick
Expand QuoteMaybe reincarnation is real and people miss their past lives, 20 year olds today were living in the 90s before reincarnation.Expand Quotethe 90s were the first decade where you basically could buy into a subculture. not only were these subcultures now broadcasted via mtv and other things, the 90s were the decade that brought you chain stores selling punk, goth, and skate stuff. then towards the end of the 90s the internet accelerated that process even more. it was the start of commercialization and never before seen availability of goods that were traded only amongst dedicated communities before. with bad outcomes like hypercommercialization and a lot of fake shit coming up, and good outcomes like showing people alternative lifestyles and music.
i feel like 90s nostalgia is fueled mainly by two things: the feeling that all the cool shit we like now was already done by then, which is typically coming up every twenty years or so. in the 90s people said the 70s were the last really good decade, in the 00s people were trying to emulate the 80s aesthetic and said man, the 90s were wack as fuck. and now those who were babies in the 90s or early 00s are interested in what they missed. naturally the nostalgia would be the strongest from those groups who were either in their adolescence, kid or teen years or those that barely missed it but sort of see themselves as "90s kids" because they were born 98 or something.
i personally don't miss the 90s that much.[close][close]
getting all this 90’s nostalgia wave pushed into my feeds 2-3 years ago before I nuked my social media accounts really showed my some interesting things, mostly design and aesthetics; my family is heavy on 90’s music so that was covered. I developed this weird obsession with 90’s fleece patterns and graphic designs for instance, but id love to get to experience life back then, going to a record store or a blockbuster store, going thrifting before it became the kook filled scheme it is today, go to an underground show etc. Just one chance to enjoy that. And I’m a bit dense because the 90’s are a special spot right before the internet, arguably the most significant thing to happen in recent history (aka 20-30 years) and it took me time to realise this
anyhow what’s the consensus on tame impala in this board? Kook or not kook? I dig their music (their love shows are awesome) but it does feel completely overblown and pretentious sometimes.
I had never heard of TheWeeknd until yesterday when my sister played a song while we were doing the dishes and holy molly, i feel like an idiot for not listening to his music sooner.
Started to go through Bon Jovi too and also dig it.
lmfao at that blockbuster story, straight up taking a ps3 is a power move.
Need a link to that documentary though, that sounds interesting. Actually I got into Bon Jovi when me and my mates watched spaceballs recently and that fucking intro with the van and whatnot, Candy with those horrible ears eating solid gravy, had to check them out.
btw out of topic, but fuck me, no movie has made me laugh like Spaceballs did, watching this completely baked with 6 friends was one of the best decision/memories ill keep of my 20’s, when the radar scene happened we just lost it.
The weeknd is sick. Been listening since house of balloons. He makes excellent loving songs about coke.My gf got me into the weekend and it’s like Prince and MJ had a hybrid son that makes gangster ass smooth music.
Tame impala is cool. I like what Kevin puts down. He makes very infectious hooks and riffs
My gf got me into the weekend and it’s like Prince and MJ had a hybrid son that makes gangster ass smooth music.Expand QuoteThe weeknd is sick. Been listening since house of balloons. He makes excellent loving songs about coke.
Tame impala is cool. I like what Kevin puts down. He makes very infectious hooks and riffs[close]
I actually like it a lot and I’m very picky about new music.
Tame impala is cool. I like what Kevin puts down. He makes very infectious hooks and riffs
Arctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great
Expand QuoteArctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great[close]
I had a feeling you were a fellow man of culture Dale.
Do Me A Favor and When The Sun Goes Down would easily make Top 5 Arctic Monkeys tracks.
New album is good, definitely not my favorite but some really good tracks that feel like a more mature, comprehensive approach to the style of the AM record. Tracks like The Ultracheese and One Point Perspective ive are highlights to me, Alex Turner’s lyrics are as witty as ever on them.
Curious on your thoughts as AM as an album though, I actually prefer it over Suck It And See but it pales in comparison to the greatness of the first three.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteArctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great[close]
I had a feeling you were a fellow man of culture Dale.
Do Me A Favor and When The Sun Goes Down would easily make Top 5 Arctic Monkeys tracks.
New album is good, definitely not my favorite but some really good tracks that feel like a more mature, comprehensive approach to the style of the AM record. Tracks like The Ultracheese and One Point Perspective ive are highlights to me, Alex Turner’s lyrics are as witty as ever on them.
Curious on your thoughts as AM as an album though, I actually prefer it over Suck It And See but it pales in comparison to the greatness of the first three.[close]
I like AM, but i first started listening to Arctic Monkeys in 2011 when Suck it and See first came out, so it'll always have a soft spot in my heart. You never forget your first time yadda yadda yadda. Black treacle, that's where you're wrong, love is a laserquest, she's thunderstorms, all of these are worth revisiting because they all rip.
Having said that, no 1 party anthem might be one of my favorite songs by them ever. Sunglasses indoors par for the course.
Also if you haven't yet, listen to all the little eps they put out. There's tons of golden b side tracks on there like who the fuck are Arctic monkeys, no buses (another of my all time faves), settle for a draw, bigger boys and stolen sweethearts, the bakery, and baby I'm yours.
This stuff:
https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k
is better than this stuff:
https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg
Expand QuoteThis stuff:
https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k
is better than this stuff:
https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg[close]
I opened this thread because you posted and I know we like similar stuff. Boy oh boy.
This opinion is unpopular because it is wrong. And gross. To think, I almost started the harsh noise and power electronics thread today.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis stuff:
https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k
is better than this stuff:
https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg[close]
I opened this thread because you posted and I know we like similar stuff. Boy oh boy.
This opinion is unpopular because it is wrong. And gross. To think, I almost started the harsh noise and power electronics thread today.[close]
DO IT
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis stuff:
https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k
is better than this stuff:
https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg[close]
I opened this thread because you posted and I know we like similar stuff. Boy oh boy.
This opinion is unpopular because it is wrong. And gross. To think, I almost started the harsh noise and power electronics thread today.[close]
DO IT
This stuff:Black Metal in general hasn’t really done it for me in the past, the classic Norwegian stuff prides itself on the ”bootleg cassette” sound quality and and it seems so monotonous for the most part, like doom but played fast. I need to feel it in my chest you know?
https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k
is better than this stuff:
https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg
Expand Quotelmfao at that blockbuster story, straight up taking a ps3 is a power move.
Need a link to that documentary though, that sounds interesting. Actually I got into Bon Jovi when me and my mates watched spaceballs recently and that fucking intro with the van and whatnot, Candy with those horrible ears eating solid gravy, had to check them out.
btw out of topic, but fuck me, no movie has made me laugh like Spaceballs did, watching this completely baked with 6 friends was one of the best decision/memories ill keep of my 20’s, when the radar scene happened we just lost it.[close]
i tried to look it up, but i'm not sure on what channel it was, i thought it was rock n roll true stories. but you can find little vids about the beef with gnr (and skid row apparently) all over youtube. i remember i listened to this by coincidence while playing metal wolf chaos and thinking "damn, that's insane haha" it's a lot of petty shit, but that makes it funny.
i have to watch spaceballs again for sure. especially since it's one of the few movies where the german syncro is actually funnier than the original. such a classic.
Expand QuoteArctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great[close]
I had a feeling you were a fellow man of culture Dale.
Do Me A Favor and When The Sun Goes Down would easily make Top 5 Arctic Monkeys tracks.
New album is good, definitely not my favorite but some really good tracks that feel like a more mature, comprehensive approach to the style of the AM record. Tracks like The Ultracheese and One Point Perspective are highlights to me, Alex Turner’s lyrics are as witty as ever on them.
Curious on your thoughts as AM as an album though, I actually prefer it over Suck It And See but it pales in comparison to the greatness of the first three.
Tragedy > His Hero Is Gone :-X
I can throw on that self titled album after a year or so of not listening and still hits so hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3-GDkyug0
https://youtu.be/2SvspO2Gry8 (https://youtu.be/2SvspO2Gry8) the ultimate gay band. You think your band has homosexual themes? THIS are homosexual themesThis is tight^ Big shouts to all the lgbtqia+ homies. But I love me some violent queercore. Also gayrilla biscuits is best spit in the face to homophobic hardcore kids that could ever be made. Best covers in hardcore.
why wouldn't you like the Go-Gos? they're great.
somebody mentioned Eels up there a bit - i was into it for a moment when i was 19 - he has covered Prince occasionally in an interesting manner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SzN08Kr0kQ
the misfits have no good releases post-static age
hybrid moments is one of the best punk songs ever written but the rest of their disocraphy is theatrical goofy nonsense, danzing, samhaim and all that stuff included
the misfits have no good releases post-static age
hybrid moments is one of the best punk songs ever written but the rest of their disocraphy is theatrical goofy nonsense, danzing, samhaim and all that stuff included
this may also be me being an ignorant youth and saying fuck your old head music, maybe itll grow on me
I’m one of probably twelve people in the world that actually like Famous Monsters but I have a terrible taste in music so fuck you.I back this, Yeah I joined with other’s like fuck this shit initially but it’s grown on me.
Expand Quotethe misfits have no good releases post-static age
hybrid moments is one of the best punk songs ever written but the rest of their disocraphy is theatrical goofy nonsense, danzing, samhaim and all that stuff included
this may also be me being an ignorant youth and saying fuck your old head music, maybe itll grow on me[close]
I don't think many would argue with you here. That's the misfits M.O. is theatrical goofy nonsense and I think that is what makes them so prolific. There's a great podcast called 'No Dogs In Space' made by one of the dudes from 'Last podcast on the left' and his wife where they go in very deep detail about the history of bands. They have a great 2 or 3 part epi on the misfits which is super interesting whether you love em or not. But it does touch on that Danzig was super influenced by huge rockstars as a kid(brain is foggy but I remember elvis being one of them) so him and Jerry treated the misfits like a business. I think they just naturally fell into the punk scene because they were 'weird' but they were trying to cash in during their whole existence(original line up with danzig) to no avail
podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-misfits-pt-i/id1495604041?i=1000475333274
as for Samhain - never got into em much but I do like this song which sounds like an extension of og misfits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPSv9Pe9sDc
and as cheesy as danzig gets I have a place in my heart for the first album and how the gods kill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafO5i3rAyE
the band fucked up sux. damien's podcast is great though
J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.
J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.deep wound for sure
deep wound for sureExpand QuoteJ Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.[close]
J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.
SP-404/Casio/guitar pedals on a table music is like no-comply variation skating. Ya it's cute but don't over do it.
there are less than 10 listenable hardcore bandsas long as ISPY is one of them, I’m down with that!
there are less than 10 listenable hardcore bands
They’re like Disney channel doing a supposed hardcore band.agreed they remind me of brockhampton or something
Expand QuoteJ Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.[close]
Thanks for posting this. I'll have to cheap it out. ;D
@Deputy Wendell I definitely get that.
I still love the first few DJ albums a ton, and some tracks off later albums + some solo J mascis.
Sebadoh just clicked really hard at one point in my life and I went down that barlow rabbit hole super deep and ended up loving the sloppy lofi endearing quality they have. I have grown to love the old eric gaffney tracks and a lot of the j lowenstein stuff. plus loobie writes some excellent lyrics imo
everlong by foo fighters is a good fucking song
Expand Quoteeverlong by foo fighters is a good fucking song[close]
It's their only good song tbh
Red Hot Chili Peppers are overrated as fuck. Dani California sucks. Without Jimi Hendrix or parliament/funkadelic, the Red Hot Chili Peppers would be 'the Mild Green Bell Peppers'. That being said, they have some bangers and they can perform well so there's that.
Expand QuoteRed Hot Chili Peppers are overrated as fuck. Dani California sucks. Without Jimi Hendrix or parliament/funkadelic, the Red Hot Chili Peppers would be 'the Mild Green Bell Peppers'. That being said, they have some bangers and they can perform well so there's that.[close]
I fucking hate RHCHP, along with Coldplay the most overrated mainstream band. If I ever head Anthony Kiedis saying something about California, I will go deaf.
All this new HXC is borderline pop music. It’s this gen’s pop punk revival.
Pop punk is actually a really good genre
Fight me!
I should have defined pop punk a bit more, but yeah Cheshire Cat and smoothed out/ kerplunk are great albums. I’m into most mid 90s stuff, but don’t simply worship all fat/ epitaph releases, as you said there’s a lot to sift through… faves at the moment (actually since I was a teen) are satanic surfers and 88 fingers Louie. Propagandhi will always be my fav band, but they’ve moved beyond anything that could be called pop punk these days! Pop punk also includes bands from the more DIY side of things including some other faves like FYP, Horace pinker, lethaerface and Cigaretteman from Japan. I guess I should probably say I like melodic hardcore, but that sounds cheesy too *shrugs*Expand QuotePop punk is actually a really good genre
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there are way more bad pop punk bands than good ones imo, and a lot of the good ones became insufferable. that being said, when pop punk is good, it's really good. the early blink-182 and green day albums are so good.
Pop punk is actually a really good genre
Fight me!
All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
Expand QuoteAll of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.[close]
Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.
never really got into, though I've heard them on comps etc.Expand QuoteAll of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.[close]
Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.
Y'all fuck with MXPX? Think people write them of because they're a loose 'christian' band (tooth and nail records, etc) and can be a bit heavy on the *pop* side but their early releases are great. 'Life in General' was one of my favorite records growing up.
http://youtu.be/io8rbKG1aZo
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I kinda wish there could be a divide. There are a lot of really good punk bands that are melodic and have good pop sensibility in their songwriting, then there are pop punk bands that are super overproduced, formulaic, and cheesy. But bands of both categories will be lumped together as "pop punk".
I really love "pop" punk, but I don't care much for pop punk.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.[close]
Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.[close]
Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.
Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.[close]
Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.[close]
Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.
Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.[close]
@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙
for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.[close]
Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.[close]
Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.
Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.[close]
@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙
for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4[close]
I've come to the realization that I'm not into their mellower songs, and I only can fuck with the lusty-whisper singing for so long. Chino's screams are something else for sure, and when the track hits, IT HITS.
Tool is definitely more diverse and... polished? (for lack of a better term) I personally kinda blew them out for myself. I still like their sound, but I'm giving myself some time away to come back and re-appreciate their ingenuity.
Aside/Kinda cringe - I was on the drums in a "screamo" band in high school, and the bandmates intro'd me to 2000's/2010's metalcore (not my favorite genre to listen to, but had a fucking blast playing BFMV, BMTH, Warped Tour type shit, etc....). Almost all those bands reference Deftones as an influence, so it's kinda funny to me how I missed them when I was in that scene
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.[close]
Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.[close]
Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.
Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.[close]
@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙
for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4[close]
I've come to the realization that I'm not into their mellower songs, and I only can fuck with the lusty-whisper singing for so long. Chino's screams are something else for sure, and when the track hits, IT HITS.
Tool is definitely more diverse and... polished? (for lack of a better term) I personally kinda blew them out for myself. I still like their sound, but I'm giving myself some time away to come back and re-appreciate their ingenuity.
Aside/Kinda cringe - I was on the drums in a "screamo" band in high school, and the bandmates intro'd me to 2000's/2010's metalcore (not my favorite genre to listen to, but had a fucking blast playing BFMV, BMTH, Warped Tour type shit, etc....). Almost all those bands reference Deftones as an influence, so it's kinda funny to me how I missed them when I was in that scene[close]
it's funny, i feel there's a lot of bands that get ruined by the people that were influenced by them. a good example for me is alice in chains, before their radio hits i thought they were cool to me and my friends and then years later you have one of the worst genres ever, modern rock, full of music with band imitating them. same with rage and rap metal for me.
for tool, they are one of the few bands where i listen to the newer stuff more than the early stuff. they are an entirely different band these days and i noticed a lot of core fans don't like their new stuff but its mostly what i listen too now. they've also become a band that is really all about the drummer. maynard is in the back in the dark now and danny is kind of front and center. this clip kind of sums up what i dig about them now. it's definitely just a band that i have a long history with and enjoy regardless of the fact that for 20 years every cornball in town had a tool sticker on their truck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAll of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.[close]
Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.[close]
Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.
Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.[close]
@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙
for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4[close]
I've come to the realization that I'm not into their mellower songs, and I only can fuck with the lusty-whisper singing for so long. Chino's screams are something else for sure, and when the track hits, IT HITS.
Tool is definitely more diverse and... polished? (for lack of a better term) I personally kinda blew them out for myself. I still like their sound, but I'm giving myself some time away to come back and re-appreciate their ingenuity.
Aside/Kinda cringe - I was on the drums in a "screamo" band in high school, and the bandmates intro'd me to 2000's/2010's metalcore (not my favorite genre to listen to, but had a fucking blast playing BFMV, BMTH, Warped Tour type shit, etc....). Almost all those bands reference Deftones as an influence, so it's kinda funny to me how I missed them when I was in that scene[close]
it's funny, i feel there's a lot of bands that get ruined by the people that were influenced by them. a good example for me is alice in chains, before their radio hits i thought they were cool to me and my friends and then years later you have one of the worst genres ever, modern rock, full of music with band imitating them. same with rage and rap metal for me.
for tool, they are one of the few bands where i listen to the newer stuff more than the early stuff. they are an entirely different band these days and i noticed a lot of core fans don't like their new stuff but its mostly what i listen too now. they've also become a band that is really all about the drummer. maynard is in the back in the dark now and danny is kind of front and center. this clip kind of sums up what i dig about them now. it's definitely just a band that i have a long history with and enjoy regardless of the fact that for 20 years every cornball in town had a tool sticker on their truck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA[close]
Danny Carey is insane on the kit, trying to learn any Tool song on drums is a literal boss battle. Odd-time sigs, switching time sigs, hella melodic rhythms, polyrhythms, like.. good luck. I think of The Grudge or Triad and just how nutty his beats are, super tight and flowy but holding it down all day. Dude's wild.
Tool has this thing where each member gets their due - Schism, Disposition and 46 & Two for that bass lead, Vicarious, Aenima, and Prison Sex for guitar riffage, and the vocals on The Pot and Stinkfist are killer.
I gotta revisit their latest album, seemed kinda wander-y when I was first listening through it, but its worth another shot.
Combat Rock is The Clash's best album.
AcknowledgedExpand QuoteCombat Rock is The Clash's best album.[close]
i acknowledge your unpopular opinion and have a related one of my own;
mick jones was a far better songwriter than joe strummer