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Title: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 24, 2020, 08:26:15 AM
thread to post your unpopular opinion pertaining to music


rancid sucks and itís only saving grace is lars frederickson which balances out timís terrible voice (op ivy still slaps but that may be due to jesse)

okay your turn dude

Iím sorry for yelling
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 09:44:02 AM
While some of the records as a whole arenít as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramonesí best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that itís not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. Itís always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.



I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally donít like them is inherently dumb.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: blurst_of_times on December 24, 2020, 09:47:59 AM
While some of the records as a whole arenít as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramonesí best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that itís not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. Itís always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.




I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally donít like them is inherently dumb.
Totally agree with this
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
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While some of the records as a whole arenít as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramonesí best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that itís not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. Itís always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.




I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally donít like them is inherently dumb.
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Totally agree with this


Iíve had this conversation with a lot of people and almost every time I can think of at least a couple bands or albums that theyíll say they like.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 24, 2020, 10:00:28 AM
While some of the records as a whole arenít as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramonesí best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that itís not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. Itís always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.



I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally donít like them is inherently dumb.

you touch on a lot in this post, but for now, i'll go even further out on this particular limb, and admit that this is my favorite Ramone's song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlMhDfHsfDI

man, ska to me is actually a pretty complex designation, but i am just about 50, so the whole Two-Tone era is probably the most defining era to me...love all of the performances from the film Dance Craze, like these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzwPO9NtF4w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qh63nu1OQ

edit: i always figure people got critical of ska, because of what happened to it in the 1990s (i think)...like, aren't bands like No Doubt supposed to be doing some kind of ska shtick?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 10:03:41 AM
Bonzoís a great song. A good example of their later work.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Brguy on December 24, 2020, 10:49:02 AM
Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.
Most riffs in the Dio era are really dumbed down.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sluggloaph on December 24, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
I don't think tupac is the best rapper.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 24, 2020, 03:21:17 PM
I believe Iíve mentioned this beforehand but most bandís best albums are their first three.

Not to say that thereís exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 24, 2020, 03:30:05 PM
I hate modern hip hop and it being the mainstream popular music.

 I miss the dayís of people busting shots at each other over some real beef not this corny ass weak as fuck TSwift vs. Kanye bs put some danger back in to gangster rap.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 03:38:13 PM
I believe Iíve mentioned this beforehand but most bandís best albums are their first three.

Not to say that thereís exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.


I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 24, 2020, 04:54:05 PM
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I believe Iíve mentioned this beforehand but most bandís best albums are their first three.

Not to say that thereís exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 24, 2020, 05:59:12 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: skate_or_dingus on December 24, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
- Phil Collins has written some top-tier pop songs.
- Artists/projects like Oneohtrix Point Never and Dean Blunt are the future of popular music.
- Lydia Lunch is a smug, insufferable asshole whose ego overshadows her artistic input/output.
- Easy listening Stereolab is better than krautrock Stereolab.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 08:24:29 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo


man, Streetlight are one of the tightest live bands I've ever seen. Even some of my friends who otherwise don't like any variant of ska like Streetlight. It's almost undeniable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 25, 2020, 07:06:45 AM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
I like rockabilly too, it's too bad it gets labeled kooky for the wrong characters whom dress like dipshits especially the extreme pompadours and whatnot.

I'm going to disagree with Tiger Army though, I will offer a few bands instead Link Wray,  Robert Gordon, The Cramp's as you most certainly know,  Donny Martindale, Cruisers.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 25, 2020, 07:44:55 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe Iíve mentioned this beforehand but most bandís best albums are their first three.

Not to say that thereís exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.

Speaking of propagandhi: they are my favorite band in the world (and have been since 95-ish) but I don't really rank a lot of the songs on today empires (even though I love Todd and ISPY)

I also don't think slayer is that great and yet I love thrash...

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 25, 2020, 08:31:08 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe Iíve mentioned this beforehand but most bandís best albums are their first three.

Not to say that thereís exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.

Speaking of propagandhi: they are my favorite band in the world (and have been since 95-ish) but I don't really rank a lot of the songs on today empires (even though I love Todd and ISPY)

I also don't think slayer is that great and yet I love thrash...
Punk in Drublic was a damn fine album I was merely saying when you think of NOFX itís El Hefe involvement that really congealed their lineup.

Oh god Propagandhi my exbest friend was such a huge advocate for that band.  I did listen to them for a long time, especially that HTCE and Less Talk More Rock was definitely in the queue for me.

Funny story about that HTCE so Iíve been working 3 dayís straight and Iíve got the rest of the week off my flatmates decided to have a day drinking party. Which I didnít put up much of a fight as I was tired

  I needed sleep and wasnít feeling it at all, so Iím finally getting that good sleep where youíre feeling better than that stupid cheap trick song comes on now mind you weíve got a shitload of recordís to listen to from any genre and sub genres butttt instead of listening to a multitude of music itís that one album, finally in a huff of anger and frustration I walk in to the living room and grab the record and frisbee that shit outside like splash in to the man made pond, wtf is wrong with you guyís?! Of all the bands THIS ONE ALBUM?! Now none of us can listen to it!

I went back to sleep and they continued to party which was fine but holy shit! Try some variety and for the love of god donít burn a record for otherís by playing that same fucking side over and over and over for fucks sake.

Hmmmm youíre not fan of Slayer eh? Theyíre a good example of what I was saying beforehand their first 3 albums were rad I believe it was South of Heaven that wasnít thrash Show no mercy, Hell Awaits, Reign in Blood were respectable albums. Anything afterwards was mehhh.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on December 25, 2020, 08:39:13 AM
White Trash and Punk in Drublic are peak NoFX in my book. That does not mean they did not have good stuff before or after.

Regarding the "3 first album = best" theory, there are many good examples for this, Cypress Hill comes to mind immediately.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 25, 2020, 09:35:51 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: GardenSkater77 on December 25, 2020, 09:56:18 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies

You are like my friendsí older brothers who had DRI posters on their wall and I thoughtówhy does everyone like a band That MTV doesnít even play.

I never liked Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Anthrax or Megadeath. Never spoke to me. I was definitely an odd ball.

Always preferred early punk for the rawness. To this day I donít think I listen to any punk recorded post 1983.

Iím basically only interested in the creation of a music style. After the style is created and begins to be refined I feel it is time to move on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 25, 2020, 09:57:13 AM
Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIgRQP4Fa-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0Wejod4fs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cifo77azntk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on December 25, 2020, 10:08:08 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies

Lights Camera Revolution - and if it's only for You Can't Bring Me Down.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on December 25, 2020, 10:15:46 AM
Sex Pistols are way overrated.

Black metal is shit, 90% of the songs consist of the same power chord progression and drums. There are some good bands but the vast majority is just bad.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 25, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Suicidal Tendencies were always garbage never liked them always reminded me of DRI meatheads in high school that liked punk shows for trying to go to shows just to pick fights. Fuck that shit and that mentality.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on December 25, 2020, 08:00:55 PM
The Growlers are terrible and I never understood the beach-goth craze.
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Post by: ChuckRamone on December 25, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
Weezer's Green album is pretty good. Fleetwood Mac is awful. Elliott Smith's stuff after XO is not quite as good as it and the stuff before it (I don't know if this is controversial but most skate videos use songs from his post-XO material). I think "rock 'n' roll" describes a very specific style of music that is basically 12-bar blues played faster; anything that doesn't fit that criterion, such as most Beatles' songs, is "rock," a different genre of music. The 90s really were the golden age of hip-hop (maybe also not that controversial but could be seen as an old-fashioned take).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 26, 2020, 07:31:10 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe Iíve mentioned this beforehand but most bandís best albums are their first three.

Not to say that thereís exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.



Yeah, this and Bad Religionís Suffer made NOFX a much better band. Ribbed is basically BR worship lol.





Also, I think Andrew WKís second album is his best one.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 26, 2020, 07:51:42 AM
Shannon and the Clams.
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Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 08:39:21 AM
Shannon and the Clams.
You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable......  They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
The 90s really were the golden age of hip-hop (maybe also not that controversial but could be seen as an old-fashioned take).
This right here is what I'm talking about the self aware boom bap hiphop was the best and the pinnacle of the genre there's so much good rap that wasn't on anyone's radar during that time even afterwards.  I'd say 2000's here's a good example Lost Children of Babylon Immortal Technique come to mind and I miss rap/hiphop that had a real message and rad storytelling that put you in their world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibHd0zBJ6ig
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 26, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
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rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe Iíve mentioned this beforehand but most bandís best albums are their first three.

Not to say that thereís exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.
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Yeah, this and Bad Religionís Suffer made NOFX a much better band. Ribbed is basically BR worship lol.





Also, I think Andrew WKís second album is his best one.


Thatís actually true about Suffer making NOFX a better band. I think Mike talks about it in their book which I highly recommend. Some golden stories in that!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 05:27:14 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on December 26, 2020, 06:53:49 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html

Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and theyíre pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 07:10:11 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and theyíre pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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Post by: bea! on December 26, 2020, 07:30:07 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and theyíre pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?

Yeah those Tales from the Vinyl Wastelandís are great... twisted stuff.  If you dig those check out Wavy Gravy Vol 1 and 2, and Bent, Batty and ĎBnoxious!.

I just bought those Nasty comps individually cause I had heard they were good... I used to be a wild, crazy rockabilly obsessive (never into the ďsceneĒ) and would buy tons of comps.  Most of the time thereís one or two wild tracks and the rest are crap, so to have some that are solid all the way through are a treat!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
[close]
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and theyíre pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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Yeah those Tales from the Vinyl Wastelandís are great... twisted stuff.  If you dig those check out Wavy Gravy Vol 1 and 2, and Bent, Batty and ĎBnoxious!.

I just bought those Nasty comps individually cause I had heard they were good... I used to be a wild, crazy rockabilly obsessive (never into the ďsceneĒ) and would buy tons of comps.  Most of the time thereís one or two wild tracks and the rest are crap, so to have some that are solid all the way through are a treat!
Yeah my local record shop is a hippie owner who kinda sucks,  I usually go on discogs and scour through used or something cheap to get.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 27, 2020, 01:01:49 AM
cool thread

my favorite nofx record is so long and thanks for all the shoes, because it was my first. i haven't listened to nofx in ages though. they're sick though.

my unpopular opinion:

drive like jehu is still underrated. yank crime is a fucking classic for the ages. the s/t is great as well, easily a 9/10.

the newer darkthrone records where they sound kind of punked up rule. i am not even into black metal really except a few songs, but i can listen to those records in one sitting and think they are pretty sick. i can see how metal and punk purists alike hate them tho.

deftones seem to be a love it or hate it band nowadays but i think they aged alright. they achieved at least that tons of new bands nowadays seem to try to sound like them, without ever getting it really right(except varials-romance/the love machine, but that was basically some camouflaged cover track).

the whole gothy dance/ebm resurgence thing is super sick. i don't care for electronic much, but i love cabaret nocturne, boy harsher, kontravoid, etc... it's not so dark so you get depressed, but is still sinister enough to not become corny. i'm not immersed in that scene so sorry if i used wrong terminology. if you watched the glue vid, you know what i mean. i'll leave the kontravoid video here, because it's a good visual represantation of the clashing vibes that form something wholesome. also, i want to ride a jetski on a lake in canada, too. if i ever do coke, it will be to music like this, and i will probably do stupid shit that kills me by accident.

i think i won't do cocaine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exD-oGci-9M&list=RDexD-oGci-9M&start_radio=1

EDIT: not sure, maybe some of those opinions are actually agreeable and popular and i don't know it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 27, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
cool thread

my favorite nofx record is so long and thanks for all the shoes, because it was my first. i haven't listened to nofx in ages though. they're sick though.

my unpopular opinion:

drive like jehu is still underrated. yank crime is a fucking classic for the ages. the s/t is great as well, easily a 9/10.

the newer darkthrone records where they sound kind of Crusty punked up rule. i am not even into black metal really except a few songs, but i can listen to those records in one sitting and think they are pretty sick. i can see how metal and punk purists alike hate them tho.

deftones seem to be a love it or hate it band nowadays but i think they aged alright. they achieved at least that tons of new bands nowadays seem to try to sound like them, without ever getting it really right(except varials-romance/the love machine, but that was basically some camouflaged cover track).

the whole gothy dance/ebm resurgence thing is super sick. i don't care for electronic much, but i love cabaret nocturne, boy harsher, kontravoid, etc... it's not so dark so you get depressed, but is still sinister enough to not become corny. i'm not immersed in that scene so sorry if i used wrong terminology. if you watched the glue vid, you know what i mean. i'll leave the kontravoid video here, because it's a good visual represantation of the clashing vibes that form something wholesome. also, i want to ride a jetski on a lake in canada, too. if i ever do coke, it will be to music like this, and i will probably do stupid shit that kills me by accident.

i think i won't do cocaine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exD-oGci-9M&list=RDexD-oGci-9M&start_radio=1

EDIT: not sure, maybe some of those opinions are actually agreeable and popular and i don't know it
The unholy trinity of Darkthrone Blaze in the northern sky, Transylvanian hunger, Under a funeral Moon are damn fine albums for there sporadic and unrelenting  assault for Black Metal they've  earned my respect for doing multigenres from death metal in the beginning to true kvlt BM to crusty dbeat punkish metal they can and will do it all I think Cult is Alive is my favorite of the later works Fenriz and Ted has done, absolutely madmen when it comes to playing music.

EDM and the gothy darkwave I wasn't really sure tillI gave it a good listen and I have to say I'm a fan from Cobraman for partytype of elctrofunk 80's pop to Boyharsher Light Asylum and Lebanon Hanover really I like stuff that challenges my dancing ability, Yes I've been known to bust a move at a spot or after landing something sick instead of the corny Appleyard flex.


Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on December 28, 2020, 02:08:42 AM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and theyíre pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?

DUDE! Sanford Cark is awesome! im surprised to see his name pop up in here, you dont hear him discussed enough.

Country as a whole gets a terrible rep but there is some great tunes if you look past the rhinestoned pop country surface

this dude is killing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YivNpUXHw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 02:38:44 AM
I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Larry on December 28, 2020, 02:57:37 AM
punk is just short for pre-post-punk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on December 28, 2020, 03:18:45 AM
I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on December 28, 2020, 03:20:16 AM
I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.

I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 05:16:45 AM
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I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
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I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!


WHEN I WANT SOMETHING DONE Iíll DO IT MYSELF

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE


Gkr I wish we could high jack every thread and make it about our dated takes on hardcore and itís subgenres.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on December 28, 2020, 05:20:29 AM
I didnĎt even know powerviolence had a popular phase. I always thought it had reached its peak with InfestĎs Break The Chains. Also wish I had kept my Infest Break The Chains hoodie.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on December 28, 2020, 06:45:12 AM
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I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
[close]

I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!

[close]

WHEN I WANT SOMETHING DONE Iíll DO IT MYSELF

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE


Gkr I wish we could high jack every thread and make it about our dated takes on hardcore and itís subgenres.

Hell yeah dude <3
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 28, 2020, 06:49:31 AM
I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.

10. Grief is better than dystopia.
agree with all of this, although i still like ceremony up until zoo, which wasn't great, but ok imo.

nerve agents are so sick, very underrated band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 07:00:00 AM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90ís ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
[close]

Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and theyíre pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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DUDE! Sanford Cark is awesome! im surprised to see his name pop up in here, you dont hear him discussed enough.

Country as a whole gets a terrible rep but there is some great tunes if you look past the rhinestoned pop country surface

this dude is killing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YivNpUXHw
Country really does get a bad rep when you think of the dipshits who rep it albeit racist garbage but some of the toughest outlaws were of that 50's country western/rockabilly Elvis Jerry Lewis ripoffs.  I've found some of the best stuff at donation bins and other YT channels.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 28, 2020, 07:50:39 AM
I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.

blasphemy

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 08:47:14 AM
I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia was and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 09:08:35 AM
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I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said Iím a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I donít really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them thatís similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
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I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
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I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said Iím a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I donít really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them thatís similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
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I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
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I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said Iím a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I donít really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them thatís similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
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Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.

That avatar is from the musings of a smoking man right? Thatís probably my favorite episode of the show.

The disrupt/noothgrush was not a comparison, it was which band I liked more based strictly of what the members of grief and dystopia were in, not sonically at all.

I can totally understand how confusing that was with no preface and my apologies!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
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I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
[close]
Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
[close]

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said Iím a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I donít really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them thatís similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
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Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.
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That avatar is from the musings of a smoking man right? Thatís probably my favorite episode of the show.

The disrupt/noothgrush was not a comparison, it was which band I liked more based strictly of what the members of grief and dystopia were in, not sonically at all.

I can totally understand how confusing that was with no preface and my apologies!
See this where text really doesnít give context to sarcasm I was busting your chops a bit, yeah I can see your opinions on hardcore sound compared to the sludge doom sound. In my opinion thereís a lot of good bands from that era and timeline got to see Dropdead and His Hero is Gone at the Providence venue The Living Room so sick to see those bands in their prime.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: keepthefunkalive on December 28, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
I am over the vast majority of all the punk I used to listen to except Minor Threat

Metal is lame

Burt Bacharach is dope

Run the Jewels are overrated



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 03:11:14 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 03:30:25 AM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 29, 2020, 03:44:31 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.

Backed your take on death, even with that documentary they are criminally underrated and overlooked. They created a genre in a vacuum, essentially. Thereís no reason theyíre not held in higher regard than iggy or mc5.

Slam metal is boring as fuck and anal cunt is awful, the only worthwhile thing Seth Putnam ever did was being in siege for like a year.

Mac demarco is spaget wearing a dad hat.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 04:04:04 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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Backed your take on death, even with that documentary they are criminally underrated and overlooked. They created a genre in a vacuum, essentially. Thereís no reason theyíre not held in higher regard than iggy or mc5.

Slam metal is boring as fuck and anal cunt is awful, the only worthwhile thing Seth Putnam ever did was being in siege for like a year.

Mac demarco is spaget wearing a dad hat.
I know anal cunt is awful but itís like they donít make music, they make a wall of ignorant din. Itís a child-like tantrum mixed with inside jokes on record. And I love it. Somehow I made it to the top .01 percentile of Death and AC listeners on Spotify which is bad new for anyone that lets me play music in the car. Lol
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Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 04:10:46 AM
og death(the black punk band) is great.

these guys are super sick, too, and no one seems to know them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdMcH9mb2Hk

i like some mac de marco songs, but overall it's super boring to me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 06:08:14 AM
Lemmy did a song with Pure Hell. Very sick

https://youtu.be/Rcjf8tZMFOI
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 29, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
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Shannon and the Clams.
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You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable......  They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.

I like most of what they put out and their live shows have an amazing, fun enery. I think this is the only show I have ever been to where I was dancing and did not feel self concious at all.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 29, 2020, 07:57:07 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 08:03:58 AM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too


J Mascis is straight edge lol
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 29, 2020, 08:17:11 AM
i'm not sure where this falls in on the opinion barometer, but early to mid-90s "independent-label" music was one of the best periods for music in the past 50 years--so many splendid labels like Simple Machines, early Sub-Pop, K Records, Touch and Go, Slumberland, Quarterstick, etc....i know that this all was kind of reduced into a shitty genre known as "indie," but there was so much creativity in the early 1990s and it was one of the best times to go to shows in my near 50 years...

i could go on and on but, here's just a small handful of favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_NKtGTstVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKAwNOhZabM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRyGZJzEuI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMJT1U4n9Zk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALVbPqIYSZ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7NwEwdfww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKYWpExqrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbI6O6OKFqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDX6K9bd0tw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Willie on December 29, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.

ďThe guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accidentĒ sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 29, 2020, 09:24:15 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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ďThe guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accidentĒ sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 02:26:30 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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ďThe guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accidentĒ sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........

song names anal cunt would use could be its own thread
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 02:54:11 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
so youíre telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 29, 2020, 02:59:34 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so youíre telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.

This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 03:00:23 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so youíre telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.


Apparently so.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on December 29, 2020, 03:29:22 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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ďThe guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accidentĒ sounds like it could have been one of their songs.

(https://i.imgur.com/iyhGHDD.gif)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so youíre telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.

hehe

i saw dinosaur jr live a few years ago, and it seemed like they played good, but the sound at the venue was atrocious and they became increasingly bummed as the set went on. also some weird support band that wasn't bad on its own but didn't fit dinosaur jr at all. some sort of art pop or something. no guitars.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 29, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuckís because didnít he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Canít stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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ďThe guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accidentĒ sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........
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song names anal cunt would use could be its own thread
Totally let's do this.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=114688.0
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so youíre telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
aha I see what you did there!
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Post by: Tail Devil on December 30, 2020, 12:50:11 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was ďso ripped on Denver weedĒ so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so youíre telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
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aha I see what you did there!

I saw it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO3fiKvRTxk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Croquet temper on January 01, 2021, 05:32:05 AM
The Mars Voltaís De-Loused In The Comatorium is a unique slam dunk of a masterpiece and easily one of the best albums of the 2000ís.

Boards Of Canadaís last album, Tomorrowís Harvest sucks absolute balls. Completely dull and flavorless.

Radiohead debuts a lot of songs live that have a much better arrangement than the album version. Videotape being one of the biggest examples.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on January 01, 2021, 07:34:05 AM
in regards to a few of the things I've read here:

Correct on Suicidal Tendencies... they've basically managed a 40 year career due to their image.  From what I've read, that's all due to Glenn E Friedman, who was their original manager, telling them to ditch their socal hardcore look and go for Venice cholo.  They owe him big if that's true.

Repulsion is hands down the greatest American metal band (Slayer is close).  I remember hearing them for the first time and it blew my mind... exactly what I love about metal mixed with exactly what is awesome about hardcore (without being a crossover band).  If I had a time machine this would be one of my stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s)

That being said, all that American Thrash from the 80's has dated very, very poorly.  Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" and Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" are pretty much the only thing that holds up, the rest is so boring and unenergetic. I was in Ameoba once and they were playing Metallica 'Justice for All' (my favorite tape when I was a kid) and what sluggish, boring-ass album.   It sounds like a whole album full of the slow breakdown parts of songs without any of the energetic fast parts.  D.R.I. should've called it quits after the Dirty Rotten EP.  Slayer is the only band who still sounds good (up to Seasons).

Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.

All that NYHC and Youthcrew stuff (and "90's hardcore") absolutely sucks.  Seems like there's been a resurgence in the last few years too.  I'd say just about everything from the Cro-Mags on... I do like Sheer Terror and Judge, but the rest of that stuff is jockish and horrible.  The earliest NY hardcore bands (Nihilistics, Urban Youth, Heart Attack, Reagan Youth) were light years better.  I can dig Agnostic Front's 'Victim in Pain' EP.

That's cool to see mid-period Ramones get some love on here, as those albums are great and never get mentioned... but there's NO WAY they're better than the first 2 Ramones albums.  There's nothing better than those albums.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on January 01, 2021, 08:43:43 AM
in regards to a few of the things I've read here:

Correct on Suicidal Tendencies... they've basically managed a 40 year career due to their image.  From what I've read, that's all due to Glenn E Friedman, who was their original manager, telling them to ditch their socal hardcore look and go for Venice cholo.  They owe him big if that's true.

Repulsion is hands down the greatest American metal band (Slayer is close).  I remember hearing them for the first time and it blew my mind... exactly what I love about metal mixed with exactly what is awesome about hardcore (without being a crossover band).  If I had a time machine this would be one of my stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s)

That being said, all that American Thrash from the 80's has dated very, very poorly.  Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" and Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" are pretty much the only thing that holds up, the rest is so boring and unenergetic. I was in Ameoba once and they were playing Metallica 'Justice for All' (my favorite tape when I was a kid) and what sluggish, boring-ass album.   It sounds like a whole album full of the slow breakdown parts of songs without any of the energetic fast parts.  D.R.I. should've called it quits after the Dirty Rotten EP.  Slayer is the only band who still sounds good (up to Seasons).

Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.

All that NYHC and Youthcrew stuff (and "90's hardcore") absolutely sucks.  Seems like there's been a resurgence in the last few years too.  I'd say just about everything from the Cro-Mags on... I do like Sheer Terror and Judge, but the rest of that stuff is jockish and horrible.  The earliest NY hardcore bands (Nihilistics, Urban Youth, Heart Attack, Reagan Youth) were light years better.  I can dig Agnostic Front's 'Victim in Pain' EP.

That's cool to see mid-period Ramones get some love on here, as those albums are great and never get mentioned... but there's NO WAY they're better than the first 2 Ramones albums.  There's nothing better than those albums.

In regards to Country Music historically being a lot more left-wing than people would expect, here's an interesting episode of my favorite podcast, Citations Needed on that topic. They're leftists news critics. Maybe you'd be interested.
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-119-how-the-right-shaped-pop-country-music

Thanks for posting that Repulsion set, I'm gonna dive into that when I have some time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5ZKjjxMNM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 01, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japanís greatest contribution to music and itís not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didnít have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to itís sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.




Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on January 01, 2021, 10:19:25 AM
Plastic Beach had like 5 banger bangers, but that album is 16 songs long and most of it is trash.
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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 01, 2021, 06:53:11 PM
I started a thread, ďwhat song are you using for your thrasher partĒ just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touchť amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paulís boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.

One my good friends just got her xfilesx tattoo lasered last year. NBxHC
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on January 01, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
songs of the free is the best gang of four album by a very wide margin.

98% of metal is hilariously bad and necessitates being enjoyed through an at least semi-ironic lense.

bonzo goes to bitburg is the best ramones song, shoutout that dude on page one.

how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.

elvis costello put out one of his best albums in 2018, which is insane.

the river wouldíve been springsteenís best record if he cut like 6 songs. also, nebraska should have had band recordings (i still really like nebraska)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on January 02, 2021, 06:33:50 AM
Plastic Beach had like 5 banger bangers, but that album is 16 songs long and most of it is trash.
facts and after everyone waited so long
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: theSketchLord on January 02, 2021, 06:48:21 AM
I used to think Radiohead were shit but now I wonder if they're actually geniuses and I'm just too stupid to get it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on January 03, 2021, 11:57:47 AM
I like The Midnight.

Time Cop 1983 and Miami Nights 1984 are super fun too.

Something about Carpenter Brut really gets my jazz hands going.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ihatejulio on January 03, 2021, 02:17:35 PM
umm it IS pronounced dead mau five
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on January 03, 2021, 03:56:10 PM
umm it IS pronounced dead mao five
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Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 04, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
Fuck it, a couple more takes from me.

I love Nas, but his revisionist history of his 90ís drama is so lame. Open rumor is that he was very jealous that Ready to Die was more popular than Illmatic at the time to the point that he eventually changed his whole style up for It Was Written. He clearly bitched about it to Ghost and Rae during the OB4CL sessions (which is where the Shark Niggaz skit comes from). Biggie checked Nas hard on ĎKick in the Doorí but of course died before the album came out, so that beef went nowhere. I see why Nas would downplay the friction years later, but to act like they were cool is such an annoying lie lol.

I donít trust hip-hop opinions from people who like Brockhampton.

Although I donít really agree with Quincy Jonesí take on rock vs r&b, his slaughter of Ringo Starr was hilarious. The fact that Ringo never responded tells me it mustíve been true.




Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: fredgallSOTY on January 04, 2021, 11:23:46 PM
radiohead sucks
the beatles suck
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
In Square Circle is one of Stevie Wonder's best records, and its dated-ness adds to its charm
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
jazz/gospel chords > blues chords
loveliescrushing aren't talked about enough in the history/pantheon of dream pop, noise, shoegaze
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: livin on a speyer on January 05, 2021, 01:49:36 AM
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Blasphemy is great!
https://youtu.be/Tqq-pRGLV3E
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 05:25:54 AM
not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 05, 2021, 05:27:15 AM
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 05, 2021, 06:32:28 AM
not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ

Sorry for indulging but I have some thoughts:


As far as sound quality, I feel like most informed record collectors understand that the sound quality isn't strictly from the medium. Most avid collectors  such as myself have a great stereo/speakers that's responsible. That's why  most of us understand that a Crosley isn't gonna make anything sound good.  On that note I also think the analog vs digital argument is kind of a moot point. I don't know what "better" means among that peer group. I don't know what parameters they listened to their recorded samples nor who/how the samples were recorded and frankly have little interest in it. As far as engineers it's the archer, not the arrow. Peer studies would probably tell you Nirvana's Nevermind is a sonically better record than In Utero, but that doesn't make  it a "better" record.


Regarding the toxicity, his "study" is pretty flawed and means nothing without context. According to a source below vinyl manufacturing accounts for less than half of a percent of PVC production, and that doesn't even get into how much PVC you're exposed to on a daily basis otherwise. And he's flat out wrong about manufacturers refusing to explore  alternative measures to pressing. He clearly did his research with blinders on because there are studies available from before his video came out and I found this source with minimal effort. Wanting manufacturers in general to leave less of a carbon footprint is a reasonable desire but it is ultimately an exaggerated concern. 

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/dark-side-of-the-vinyl-are-records-bad-for-the-environment/#:~:text=Vintage%20vinyl%20is%20quite%20likely,new%20compounds%20have%20been%20devised.




That's not to say the complete opposite is true but I take issue with environmental arguments that split these kinda hairs. I have no doubt that the components of a physical record aren't good for you. The same is probably true for most things in your home, and dare I say most foods you buy at the store, or most pieces of tech  we carry around all day about 6 inches away from our ballsacks. I'll refrain from ingesting my record collection, but I honestly have little interest in that kinda micro doom speeches when there are vastly bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Macho Taildrop on January 05, 2021, 07:10:10 AM
radiohead sucks
the beatles suck
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
In Square Circle is one of Stevie Wonder's best records, and its dated-ness adds to its charm
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
jazz/gospel chords > blues chords
loveliescrushing aren't talked about enough in the history/pantheon of dream pop, noise, shoegaze
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.

Slept on Moodymann forever but yeah.

Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

Korn were/are (seen them as recently as 2019) a good band and when their self-titled album and Life is Peachy came out, there was nothing like them. People tend to be revisionists about liking them due to the evolution of nu metal or bullying by peers or whatever, but yeah...they were sick.
 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 05, 2021, 07:13:26 AM
Theyíre my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 08:40:08 AM
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not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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Sorry for indulging but I have some thoughts:


As far as sound quality, I feel like most informed record collectors understand that the sound quality isn't strictly from the medium. Most avid collectors  such as myself have a great stereo/speakers that's responsible. That's why  most of us understand that a Crosley isn't gonna make anything sound good.  On that note I also think the analog vs digital argument is kind of a moot point. I don't know what "better" means among that peer group. I don't know what parameters they listened to their recorded samples nor who/how the samples were recorded and frankly have little interest in it. As far as engineers it's the archer, not the arrow. Peer studies would probably tell you Nirvana's Nevermind is a sonically better record than In Utero, but that doesn't make  it a "better" record.


Regarding the toxicity, his "study" is pretty flawed and means nothing without context. According to a source below vinyl manufacturing accounts for less than half of a percent of PVC production, and that doesn't even get into how much PVC you're exposed to on a daily basis otherwise. And he's flat out wrong about manufacturers refusing to explore  alternative measures to pressing. He clearly did his research with blinders on because there are studies available from before his video came out and I found this source with minimal effort. Wanting manufacturers in general to leave less of a carbon footprint is a reasonable desire but it is ultimately an exaggerated concern. 

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/dark-side-of-the-vinyl-are-records-bad-for-the-environment/#:~:text=Vintage%20vinyl%20is%20quite%20likely,new%20compounds%20have%20been%20devised.




That's not to say the complete opposite is true but I take issue with environmental arguments that split these kinda hairs. I have no doubt that the components of a physical record aren't good for you. The same is probably true for most things in your home, and dare I say most foods you buy at the store, or most pieces of tech  we carry around all day about 6 inches away from our ballsacks. I'll refrain from ingesting my record collection, but I honestly have little interest in that kinda micro doom speeches when there are vastly bigger fish to fry.

fair enough.

i agree he omits the fact that the some vinyl presses are trying more eco-friendly ways to press records. i just straight up googled "is there a eco-friendly way to press vinyl?" and got several articles and manufacturers shown. it's still over all not an ecofriendly way to produce records, they have to be shipped, too, which is unnecessary nowadays when you can download it as well.

concerning the quality. i don't think he was saying digital sounds "better", that's of course subjective, pretty sure he is aware of that. most people that say vinyl sounds better attribute it to warmth and dynamic. the latter has nothing to do with the medium though, more with how contemporary music is recorded and mixed. still, vinyl is the inferior information carrier if we are talking about that information getting lost or scrambled. i'd say vinyl is legit for archival purposes, since you can store it a heck of a long time.

as for me personally, i was an ardent defender of vinyl vs other mediums for the longest time, but at some point my record player broke, and i started getting flac versions of some records i wanted to listen to, and with the same setup of amp and boxes, was shocked how much nicer and clearer most of it sounded to me. i felt like i was living in a bubble the whole time. sometimes i miss the crackles and buzzing, but to me, high quality audio files is where it's at nowadays.

i am not too concerned about the health aspect, for the same reasons you described. we are surrounded by plastics all day, it's kinda dumb to make a point about vinyl. then again, i myself try to get rid of or avoid plastic products whenever possible, so personally why would i stop with the vinyl? i love looking at the covers, reading through booklets, but there's nothing preventing me from printing that artwork in the same format if i want to look at it. the whole process of listening to a vinyl record is also unenjoyable to me nowadays.

i will most likely keep my records or at least my most favored ones and those that aren't available online, maybe upload those myself and i still plan on getting a decent player again at some point, but honestly i haven't missed it too much, and since then, i often look at my humble record collection sitting there, collecting dust, and think i don't need this really. i can't see myself going back to vinyl, even if they invent green alternatives, because it's just clunky to me. nowadays i'd rather buy my music on bandcamp, it's great when artists can put out there music with minimal overhead. any physical medium, wether be for music, film or videogames, seems like a waste to me tbh. it's a luxury/vanity item to me. nothing wrong with that if you enjoy it, but i'd like to minimize my footprint and i actually rather pay 12 bucks for a digital album than the same amount for an lp, because the artist probably keeps more from that digital purchase than from the physical release that had to be produced and shipped everywhere. at the same time, i know downloading and streaming uses up energy and hardware as well and isn't necessarily climate neutral.

so that's why i overall agree with him, even if i accept that he went a bit doomer, especially on the health aspect. i wouldn't tell anyone to throw aways their vinyl, or tell them that's garbage, but as i grow older and out of some cliched views i held as i was younger, mostly informed by what i thought what is cool or what isn't, i realized i probably fetishized vinyl, too, because it was simply cool and different, not necessarily better or smarter. it's part of punk and hip hop culture in a way and that's the main reason i wanted to use it. it shows off a lot better than a music folder on your computer and makes for better conversation pieces. people are way more impressed in social situations when you tell them that you own the velvet under ground & nico early pressing on vinyl than by you knowing that record in and out, cause they can't see or prove that and it takes no effort to listen to em, but to hunt that lp down and have the money to pay for it.

that is another part i dislike about vinyl culture, not everyone has the funds to maintain that setup, or even the space for it. it's like with tattoos. everyone acts like it's some underground culture thing, but it's actually a product you buy. there is no reason to be proud about owning that edition or have tattoos from a great artist, because everyone who pays can do that. it says nothing about a persons merit, but for most people i feel like vinyl and tattoos(i have tattoos myself) are about projecting some sort of sophistication and low key wealth status. why else would broke ass people sacrifice their funds for this? i know so many people that are too broke for everything and complain all the time about it, but get tattoos, records or tech stuff liberally. i love tattoos and wish i'd have gotten more while i was young enough to have reaped the coolness points, but it makes no sense to me to not eat for a month just to get one, or get one vinyl record with a booklet that i will read once and then never again when i can buy two digital records for the price and let the artist keep more money.

don't want to offend any vinyl(or tattoo) lover on here, both things are rad and if that's what makes one happy, i'm all for it. but the whole myth of vinyl being the superb medium for music is total bullshit imo. it's the same thing like using some old ass handgrinder for your coffee and tricking yourself into thinking it makes the coffee taste better, when in reality that cheap ass old handgrinder probably grinds like shit and gives you carpal tunnel and a cheap electric spice grinder might yield better results, but is not so nostalgic and nice to look at.

one thing though i dislike sometimes about digital formats is it triggers my tinnitus way more than vinyl, or analogue sources in general. mostly on youtube and sources as such though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on January 05, 2021, 10:19:16 AM
Theyíre my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.
thereís one track on the pink record (i think, idk itís been years) but they are by far the second best musical act to come out of those members
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on January 05, 2021, 11:13:18 AM
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily

I don't know if I'd go that far, because similar to Plastic Beach, half of it is amazing and then the other half is trash, but I've listened to the slower melodramatic songs on that record an absolute shit tonne the past couple of years.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 05, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
Theyíre my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.

man, that self titled was really something special. One of my favorite records of the past decade. I like the two that came after but not so much Cody and Million Dollars. Barry's a nice guy though.


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not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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fair enough.



concerning the quality. i don't think he was saying digital sounds "better", that's of course subjective, pretty sure he is aware of that. most people that say vinyl sounds better attribute it to warmth and dynamic. the latter has nothing to do with the medium though, more with how contemporary music is recorded and mixed. still, vinyl is the inferior information carrier if we are talking about that information getting lost or scrambled. i'd say vinyl is legit for archival purposes, since you can store it a heck of a long time.

as for me personally, i was an ardent defender of vinyl vs other mediums for the longest time, but at some point my record player broke, and i started getting flac versions of some records i wanted to listen to, and with the same setup of amp and boxes, was shocked how much nicer and clearer most of it sounded to me. i felt like i was living in a bubble the whole time. sometimes i miss the crackles and buzzing, but to me, high quality audio files is where it's at nowadays.



 so that's why i overall agree with him, even if i accept that he went a bit doomer, especially on the health aspect. i wouldn't tell anyone to throw aways their vinyl, or tell them that's garbage, but as i grow older and out of some cliched views i held as i was younger, mostly informed by what i thought what is cool or what isn't, i realized i probably fetishized vinyl, too, because it was simply cool and different, not necessarily better or smarter. it's part of punk and hip hop culture in a way and that's the main reason i wanted to use it. it shows off a lot better than a music folder on your computer and makes for better conversation pieces. people are way more impressed in social situations when you tell them that you own the velvet under ground & nico early pressing on vinyl than by you knowing that record in and out, cause they can't see or prove that and it takes no effort to listen to em, but to hunt that lp down and have the money to pay for it.

that is another part i dislike about vinyl culture, not everyone has the funds to maintain that setup, or even the space for it. it's like with tattoos. everyone acts like it's some underground culture thing, but it's actually a product you buy. there is no reason to be proud about owning that edition or have tattoos from a great artist, because everyone who pays can do that. it says nothing about a persons merit, but for most people i feel like vinyl and tattoos(i have tattoos myself) are about projecting some sort of sophistication and low key wealth status. why else would broke ass people sacrifice their funds for this? i know so many people that are too broke for everything and complain all the time about it, but get tattoos, records or tech stuff liberally. i love tattoos and wish i'd have gotten more while i was young enough to have reaped the coolness points, but it makes no sense to me to not eat for a month just to get one, or get one vinyl record with a booklet that i will read once and then never again when i can buy two digital records for the price and let the artist keep more money.



All fair points. I don't think the guy who made that video is totally off the mark, but I think some of his points are more fluff than an actual argument. The whole "better" thing regarding digital/analogue is obviously subjective, but when he was bringing up the peer review study there are lots of obvious factors ignored that make that report mean nothing to me. I know bands that recorded digitally one album then analogue the next and the difference is pretty astronomical, but ultimately that more has to do with the engineer than the physical medium. I could be mistaken but most aficionados I know seem to understand that good sound quality with vinyl has more to do with the player than it just being on a record. I hear the "warmth" thing mostly from newbies who buy Crosley's, which at one point was me until the guy at my local record shop schooled me on players.




I think the tattoo analogy is funny and I don't disagree. I think it was Henry Rollins who said that collecting vinyl was the ultimate "sober guy" hobby which really resonates with me. Upon getting a decent paying job my lifestyle has remained almost the same except that I let loose in a record store when the opportunity presents itself. It's frivolous, but I'll always be a sucker for physical media and it'll always mean more to be to be able to hold albums that really left a lasting impression on my life. I still stream and buy digital music out of convenience and necessity. And I think it's a good thing to strive for production to be a little more green, but ultimately I think environmental discussions are better suited toward behemoth corporations destroying the earth than dorks like me sitting around spinning records across the room.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 01:18:02 PM
@pizzafliptofakie

i agree with a lot of this or at least can see that point of view. especially when it comes to the thing that it's more important to hold big corps responsible to go green on a large scale.

i personally don't get the thing about warmth either, i included it not because i think so or thought so, but it's something a lot of people say(organic sound is another thing i hear often, what even is that lol). maybe a good analogy would be a quantized beat vs an unquantized one that is built very precise tho. or something like that. either way, thanks for the input. made me reconsider the video a bit, even though i largely still agree that vinyl as a mass phenomenon is kinda dumb or played out. 

the dudes channel is still pretty cool though. i probably could find some more unpopular music opinions on there, haha. i find that interesting, even if the guy overdoes it a bit at times(see also recent behringer video, even though he's right that that company is scummy imo).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: keepthefunkalive on January 05, 2021, 03:38:38 PM
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.
I disregarded house and techno for a long time even though I've been listening to electronic music since the late 90's. Moodymann has some really really good tracks. Wish I would have listened to some friends recommendations a long time ago, but it's nice to find a new catalog of tunes to go through. Legend status for the heads for sure.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 07, 2021, 04:21:07 AM
Gotta preface this by saying I love geto boys and I love bushwick bill(rip), but hereís my take.

Bushwick was clearly the weakest member of the geto boys, look no further than the track Chuckie. But after using him for the cover of we canít be stopped he became irreplaceable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 07, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Gotta preface this by saying I love geto boys and I love bushwick bill(rip), but hereís my take.

Bushwick was clearly the weakest member of the geto boys, look no further than the track Chuckie. But after using him for the cover of we canít be stopped he became irreplaceable.
Absolutely agree with this sentiment right here sure Bushwick Bill was definitely a better hype man than flavor flav and street cred.


Scarface was the most versatile man in that group, sure Willie D had a great solo album and entrepreneurship with his YouTube channel.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sluggloaph on January 07, 2021, 09:33:48 AM
Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japanís greatest contribution to music and itís not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didnít have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to itís sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.
Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get  bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Space Cowboy on January 07, 2021, 12:20:07 PM
Don't know if anyone has said this in this thread but the first half of the song for Kostons part is painfully bad
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on January 07, 2021, 01:54:24 PM
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Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japanís greatest contribution to music and itís not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didnít have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to itís sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.
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Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get  bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.

Thinking Homework is better than Discovery is an unpopular opinion. Anyway, Alive 2007 is where the Homework tracks really got their time to shine and it might be their best album.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 11, 2021, 03:11:26 AM
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 12, 2021, 11:20:49 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Look I'm not going to front and say I didn't clown on them/secretly liked them when they were around and yea I did own quite a few albums and shirts for the most part.

 I lived in rural ass backwards Alabama/Tennessee before the internet we had to source out a band through word of mouth and album covers. I mean sure you had tried and true bands Slayer Metallica or Iron Maiden but as far as new music that was left up to chance or recommendation which could be hit or miss depending the person's taste.

Now back to the Nu-Metal thing it was definitely revolutionary for what it was regardless of someone liking it, no other subgenre was going to touch it like a leaky bag of dogshit it was admonished.

With heavy reluctance the kooky fans kinda almost ruined it for me because those that like nu-metal also could be meathead beat your ass types which is always fun till hatebreed and all those cop type of hardcore found its own lane.   

In the end music it is all subjective some bands are pleasing and poignant in it's timeline and ones own life and some are heavily slept on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 12, 2021, 11:24:17 AM
Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 12, 2021, 11:31:12 AM
Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........

I feel like thatís not a hot take itís just having functioning hearing.
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 12, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
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Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........
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I feel like thatís not a hot take itís just having functioning hearing.
Tell that to my jazz bassist friend who practically sucks Fleas dick...... Dude is on some other level kook when it comes to music tastes.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 12, 2021, 02:44:36 PM
Hereís my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: friendly dave on January 12, 2021, 03:50:48 PM
Hereís my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.

What Alan Lomax did to capture those historical songs is amazing.

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on January 13, 2021, 12:26:34 AM

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on January 13, 2021, 11:17:42 AM
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Hereís my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.
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What Alan Lomax did to capture those historical songs is amazing.

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.

Cry yourself to ashhhhhhhhhhhh


For what it's worth, I've listened to like 2 Sunn O))) records and enjoyed them both, but never really stuck with them.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 13, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
one of the greatest albums of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FRFcE-jsQo
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 13, 2021, 05:22:33 PM
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Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
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I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.
If you're in to music and heavy riffs you'll like it IMO...... I'm a bass player and I've found that weird semblance of playing around with pedals and going to weird places in music and drums.

Sun(o))) for me is the doom psychedelic heaviness that a few might like.......

Sun(0)) is the new Neurosis, & Tool is the Walmart discount version of Neurosis.

https://youtu.be/MowMNgVhrso
My old band sucked....
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 13, 2021, 09:00:39 PM
how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.
I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.
Also when did you start listening to them, that will heavily affect your opinion of them. HTCE was my first album of theirs and while everyone likes to say "they transformed into this huge progressive thrash band", even during my first listen (and with my very limited understanding of music) I was like, "these punks like Metallica".

I also adore John K Samson as a song writer too so perhaps I'm biased? My fav album is the split 10" with ISPY because I get John-era propganadhi and I also get to hear Todd's songs. Having said that, and if I'm being honest with myself, Failed States probably comes in at number 2 or 3 for me. Supporting Caste is solid though and I think in years to come we'll also need a beaver-era of the band too when comparing their collective work because he really brought a lot to the band! Have you heard his instrumental band Giant Sons? Awesome shit!

but yeah, musically of course their earlier work is going to sound shitty (I even owned their demo tapes) and there is a tonne of fans who think supporting caste is right up there.

the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...

ThE Sex Pistols wEre so PUNX!!

yeah, oh really? I know nothing about punk music how fascinating ... oh look there is some paint drying on a wall, bye!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 14, 2021, 12:58:06 AM
^it's been posted on here before, i think even in this thread, but has to be repeated

public image ltd>sex pistols

by far
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 14, 2021, 05:24:12 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?

i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 14, 2021, 06:07:38 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
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i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
Have we met before?

That Marilyn Manson comparison is fairly accurate anything before beautiful people was decent.

Tool to me wasn't my cup of tea however [NiN]  is great for nongenre interludes for a vid.
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Post by: burm on January 14, 2021, 06:09:02 AM
I bought Marilyn Manson's newest cd AND the t-shirt. Also just received notice that the frame I ordered for the poster of his painting that came with it is at the post office. I wasn't too much into the last 1-3 albums, but it's safe to say I'm a fan. I feel he's like Lady Gaga in the sense that people just see the meat dress and think "that awkward weirdo is trying too hard to shock me" where as the person inside is not even trying to play at their game
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Post by: Frank on January 14, 2021, 06:39:09 AM
wasn't and still not a fan of most nu metal bands like korn at all. but i like ministry, nin and marilyn manson a lot.

i still like some nu metal songs from back then though. like this one is a banger and the video is great. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51DEzX0lLY4

static x was kind of cool as well.

i was more into the stuff that blended into post hardcore territory, like deftones, glassjaw, will haven(debatable if the last two are nu metal at all tbf) or far. i'll go out of my way and claim that alien ant farm were also not that bad if you looked further than the smooth criminal cover. people are more annoyed by the grimacing frontman than the music i feel.
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 14, 2021, 07:18:41 AM
I bought Marilyn Manson's newest cd AND the t-shirt. Also just received notice that the frame I ordered for the poster of his painting that came with it is at the post office. I wasn't too much into the last 1-3 albums, but it's safe to say I'm a fan. I feel he's like Lady Gaga in the sense that people just see the meat dress and think "that awkward weirdo is trying too hard to shock me" where as the person inside is not even trying to play at their game
I like spooky kids part of his career whenever he became a solo artist it was mehhhh.
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Post by: livin on a speyer on January 14, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Rap is boomer music.
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 14, 2021, 08:45:59 PM
While the music isn't good and the fanbase is cringey, a few of ICP's albums entertained me for a good bit when I was a kid and I don't regret it.
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Post by: urbneathme on January 14, 2021, 09:34:41 PM
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how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.
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I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.
Also when did you start listening to them, that will heavily affect your opinion of them. HTCE was my first album of theirs and while everyone likes to say "they transformed into this huge progressive thrash band", even during my first listen (and with my very limited understanding of music) I was like, "these punks like Metallica".

I also adore John K Samson as a song writer too so perhaps I'm biased? My fav album is the split 10" with ISPY because I get John-era propganadhi and I also get to hear Todd's songs. Having said that, and if I'm being honest with myself, Failed States probably comes in at number 2 or 3 for me. Supporting Caste is solid though and I think in years to come we'll also need a beaver-era of the band too when comparing their collective work because he really brought a lot to the band! Have you heard his instrumental band Giant Sons? Awesome shit!

but yeah, musically of course their earlier work is going to sound shitty (I even owned their demo tapes) and there is a tonne of fans who think supporting caste is right up there.

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the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
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if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...

ThE Sex Pistols wEre so PUNX!!

yeah, oh really? I know nothing about punk music how fascinating ... oh look there is some paint drying on a wall, bye!
i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).
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Post by: burm on January 15, 2021, 02:23:29 AM
While the music isn't good and the fanbase is cringey, a few of ICP's albums entertained me for a good bit when I was a kid and I don't regret it.
I co-sign this  :-[
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 15, 2021, 04:09:00 AM
When I drink by myself I listen to alot of shitty country music.  I grew up extremely rural and don't miss it at all, but it's kinda calming to be reminded of home.  Also, the Dixie Chicks slap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqgr7R4zUMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVTNjdFlYM
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Post by: Sleazy on January 15, 2021, 04:45:46 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
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i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
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Have we met before?

That Marilyn Manson comparison is fairly accurate anything before beautiful people was decent.

Tool to me wasn't my cup of tea however [NiN]  is great for nongenre interludes for a vid.

probably haven't met unless you live in austin or houston.

for NIN i feel they still release great stuff. i'm a shameless fanboy though. my screen name on peloton is nineinchales

here's a recent track that i think is really cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSnPVqAjtRU
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 16, 2021, 02:05:55 AM
When I drink by myself I listen to alot of shitty country music.  I grew up extremely rural and don't miss it at all, but it's kinda calming to be reminded of home.  Also, the Dixie Chicks slap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqgr7R4zUMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVTNjdFlYM

fuck yeah.
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Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 16, 2021, 07:58:17 AM
"songs about jane" is a fantastic pop album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3YoJVSxJFk
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 17, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
I must be so high that I donít recognize the fire burning in your eyes and the chaos that controls my mind.
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Post by: McDuff on January 18, 2021, 06:12:20 AM
I like Kanyeís music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a ďboy bandĒ sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 18, 2021, 08:34:59 AM
I like Kanyeís music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a ďboy bandĒ sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff

I agree with this - ive always thought of the sex pistols being the punk equivalent of a lager tops - its sick when your dad gives you one when your 12 but its far from the real thing
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Post by: Macho Taildrop on January 18, 2021, 09:22:47 AM
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 18, 2021, 08:24:27 PM
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I like Kanyeís music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a ďboy bandĒ sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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I agree with this - ive always thought of the sex pistols being the punk equivalent of a lager tops - its sick when your dad gives you one when your 12 but its far from the real thing
that's a good way to describe the pistols actually! fine if they are a gateway drug for you into punk, but die hard fans that think they are the epitome of the genre are pretty damn sad!!

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i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).
I'm glad you like John despite coming in at TETA, people who got into the band later are usually like, "who is this wimpy kermit the frog sounding fucker?" but I always loved the balance he brought the band and the weakerthans are easily one of my fav bands ever. I'm surprised that truPUNX would even like HTCE, it was pretty "poppy" if you're comparing to regular punk, and a lot of the lyrics are basically shitting on the punk scene, guess the message got lost in the music huh? probably the type of people that yell PLAY SKA SUCKS!!! in 2021...

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Maroon 5 are definitely a great band, or should I say they aren't that shitty in the scheme of pop music!!
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Post by: Prince on January 18, 2021, 10:11:38 PM
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
It's true!
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Post by: burm on January 18, 2021, 11:33:12 PM
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The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
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It's true!
I fucked with Damnation and a Day, Nymphetamine and Thornography A LOT as well. Thornography must be my favorite album, so groovy and shit. It's one of those bands where even as a fan I find myself thinking at times if they would actually be better with another singer or not. Like, Dani Filth is a lot to handle and especially lately he seems all over the place and throwing those raptor squeals every where he can, but without him would they be anything?
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Post by: larry leadfoot on January 19, 2021, 03:43:59 AM
Changes and FX are both excellent Sabbath songs.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 19, 2021, 06:23:04 AM
Changes and FX are both excellent Sabbath songs.


I think they work well in the context of the full album. I think it's kinda neat to have a weird noisy interlude that immediately follows such a pretty piano song before it takes you back to a more signature song of theirs.
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 20, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
I like Kanyeís music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a ďboy bandĒ sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I donít believe anyone who likes all of it, I canít trust someone who likes none of it.
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Post by: McDuff on January 20, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
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I like Kanyeís music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a ďboy bandĒ sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I donít believe anyone who likes all of it, I canít trust someone who likes none of it.
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 20, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
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I like Kanyeís music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a ďboy bandĒ sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I donít believe anyone who likes all of it, I canít trust someone who likes none of it.
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Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.

The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.
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Post by: Coastal Fever on January 20, 2021, 02:47:19 PM
Fuckin love this song.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PIh2xe4jnpk
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Post by: McDuff on January 21, 2021, 01:53:39 AM
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I like Kanyeís music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a ďboy bandĒ sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I donít believe anyone who likes all of it, I canít trust someone who likes none of it.
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Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.

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Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.

I feel you. I think artists should have an ego to some degree, his is off the meat obv... but I like that about him. Calling himself a genius etc. different strokes. I know heís a bit too much for some people in his views, but ignorance is bliss (in my case).
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Post by: matty_c on January 21, 2021, 09:18:32 AM
I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
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Post by: Tail Devil on January 21, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
Yeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 21, 2021, 04:10:38 PM
this is a great song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP4qdefD2To
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Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 21, 2021, 07:42:29 PM
hell yes it is ^^^
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Post by: matty_c on January 21, 2021, 09:43:04 PM
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I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
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Yeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.


Holy shit theyíre related?? Damn canadians eh
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 22, 2021, 07:31:40 AM
I love both bands but I think the Boston strangler is better than the rival mob. Hard to admit that but there, I said it.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 22, 2021, 09:26:59 PM
Amanda Palmer can be cringey as fuck but the Dresden Dolls are amazing.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 23, 2021, 12:43:32 AM
people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians

**updated opinion - I didn't realize he was gay. that actually is badass for a country musician and I can understand his appeal a bit more but I still don't enjoy the music
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 23, 2021, 02:22:21 AM
people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians

100% i cannot get into that dude
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Post by: Frank on January 23, 2021, 05:09:34 AM
hell yes it is ^^^

i was into the goo goo dolls when i was 11 years or so haha. i bought this and the jed album and it's a pretty good early pop punk album.

this instrumental track is still killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCpYwpTXgGk&list=PLStJ3c0X6dFG3s_JO2iGfTp2wiaykk_zt&index=4
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Post by: brycickle on January 23, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
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people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians
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100% i cannot get into that dude
Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.
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Post by: Dwyck on January 23, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling
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Post by: bea! on January 23, 2021, 01:19:36 PM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules. 
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 23, 2021, 01:20:53 PM
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100% i cannot get into that dude
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Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.

HAHA! exactly
(but Ghosts first album was sick)
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Post by: Tail Devil on January 23, 2021, 01:44:05 PM
As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling

Can you give examples?
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Post by: Prince on January 23, 2021, 04:45:59 PM
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 23, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

You speak the truth. I liked the Sex Pistols back when I first heard them as a kid, then when I moved onto other punk/hardcore etc. I took the stance that they sucked because I was too cool(stupid). That album is so great even outside of 77 punk/protopunk etc. - its almost just a rock n roll album


on that note Johnny Rotten being a Trump guy was weird/hilarious to watch lol. Not as twacked out as duane peters but in the same vein
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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 23, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.

to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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Post by: urbneathme on January 23, 2021, 09:57:22 PM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i donít think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didnít have tracks, heís just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 24, 2021, 03:54:42 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i donít think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didnít have tracks, heís just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 24, 2021, 07:43:16 AM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

oi! i think i started the Sex Pistols conversation on the first page, when i simply stated:

Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

and i absolutely believe it is, but this being said, i too like the Sex Pistols, and the album mentioned...i literally was still playing with Star Wars figures and shit when some older punks in my family gave me a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and got a kick out of the fact that i would be playing Star Wars to "Bodies"

so Never Mind the Bollocks came out in 1977...i know it wasn't released until the late 1990s, but how fucking mindblowing is it that Bad Brains' Black Dots recordings happened not even two years later in 1979?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYWYeDvgX6k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8MdUAeeNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwb8UPLLj8

Black Dots is one of my all-time favorite albums from anyone, and my favorite Bad Brains album...honestly, as far as power, speed, and intensity this does make the Sex Pistols seem like a boy band, (edit:) although i know that the Bad Brains were influenced by them...

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 24, 2021, 11:07:12 AM

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
nah b
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 24, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i donít think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didnít have tracks, heís just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

What I said about calling a song a poem and taking away from what it is to write a song means that to write a song, a good song, is a totally different process where accompanying music needs to be considered while also taking into consideration lyrical devices, word meaning, history, figures of speech etc. And that's why Dylan has written timeless song. When making a poem it's about the maker and no one else. You gotta ask, is this poem finished when it's done being written on paper? is it finished when someone else reads it? is it finished when I, the maker, read it aloud to effect listeners as it moves through the brain/body/collective/liminal spaces? I'm someone that writes and reads (makes) poems and someone that can't write songs because I don't understand music. the moving parts of a poem exist within the maker, whereas with a song there are more external factors to consider, parts outside control.

With only a handful of exceptions, Dylan wrote his own lyric and the accompanying music, tracks whatever you want to call it- he writes total songs. Dude's been putting original music out since 1961. Whether you like him or not, there's no credence to the argument. But that's your unpopular opinion ;)



oi! i think i started the Sex Pistols conversation on the first page, when i simply stated:

Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

and i absolutely believe it is, but this being said, i too like the Sex Pistols, and the album mentioned...i literally was still playing with Star Wars figures and shit when some older punks in my family gave me a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and got a kick out of the fact that i would be playing Star Wars to "Bodies"

so Never Mind the Bollocks came out in 1977...i know it wasn't released until the late 1990s, but how fucking mindblowing is it that Bad Brains' Black Dots recordings happened not even two years later in 1979?


Black Dots is one of my all-time favorite albums from anyone, and my favorite Bad Brains album...honestly, as far as power, speed, and intensity this does make the Sex Pistols seem like a boy band, (edit:) although i know that the Bad Brains were influenced by them...



Sex Pistol did some shit that was pretty mind-blowing to the uninitiated, I think that's why we all liked them when we were 12. Sid was the OG edge lord with his swazi armbands and shit. NMTB was great until I heard bands like the Dead Kennedys or even the Misfits.

And you're right about Black Dots, it's a powerful record. Red Bone in the City is a sick track kinda playing off the Pistols
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on January 24, 2021, 03:10:04 PM
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Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
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nah b

yeah b. one of the worst bands of all time :) hehe
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on January 24, 2021, 06:24:54 PM
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As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling
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Can you give examples?

https://youtu.be/usu0XY4QNB0

https://youtu.be/xf3eAb4l38Y

Literally every NY drill song sounds the exact same. It's insane how influential Pop Smoke was in such a short amount of time with incorporating UK's sound into the US.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 24, 2021, 09:04:47 PM
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Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
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nah b
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yeah b. one of the worst bands of all time :) hehe
I back this........... Radiohead is garbage.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on January 25, 2021, 03:16:00 AM
Man I liked them but I reckon thom yourkeís head went up his own arsehole years ago
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Post by: McDuff on January 25, 2021, 06:52:05 AM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

Thanks for this. I love that album so much, And only just watched ď24 hour party peopleĒ... so great how the one show influenced a scene. Iíll never brush them off. Tbh, only mentioned the boy band thing to get ahead of any blowback. This is slap, and Iím too lazy to argue.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 25, 2021, 07:10:39 AM
Man I liked them but I reckon thom yourkeís head went up his own arsehole years ago


it's hard for me to have a fair opinion of Radiohead when I hear some of the praise they get for things that aren't particularly original or complex. I saw this long video essay about the song Videotape and why its syncopated rhythm makes Thom mess it up. Which sure, in terms of pop music syncopation is relatively interesting, but it's also something I learned about in like middle school band. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 25, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
Billy Stewartís version of summertime is the best out of the 25,000 versions of the track.

https://youtu.be/CDLDl0_pt_k
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 25, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on January 25, 2021, 02:59:30 PM
Soviet Kitsch by Regina Spektor is punk as shit.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on January 25, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 26, 2021, 03:36:10 AM
Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k

This was the most punk shit Iíve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on January 26, 2021, 09:23:13 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i donít think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didnít have tracks, heís just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo

It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 26, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
I love nu metal
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 26, 2021, 10:18:43 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i donít think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didnít have tracks, heís just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.

and theres a new sig. thanks Chief
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 26, 2021, 03:44:07 PM
I love nu metal
What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

 
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Post by: Thom on January 26, 2021, 05:24:14 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 26, 2021, 06:47:51 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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RATM and tool aren't new metal...

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Macho Taildrop on January 27, 2021, 06:21:04 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: McDuff on January 27, 2021, 07:46:17 AM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to ďI believe in a thing called loveĒ. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 27, 2021, 09:49:33 AM
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the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g
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Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to ďI believe in a thing called loveĒ. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.

What a deal!

the Darkness for a first dance woulda been rad haha
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 27, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.

Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 27, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
I mean what else would you categorize them as? Maybe the progenitor to what Korn was trying to become?! IDK but thats what I have them in my music folder....

For the most part I've been a hater and for good reason some of that genre was errgghhh mehhh (https://media.tenor.com/images/f001e6b5c812ad474cde8eba0b691fbb/tenor.gif)

I believe that with any genre of music there's an oversaturation and for the most part Korn and other bands that were similar they either fell off or kept at it, which is why I like Korn, they've taken the piss from critics and fans and probably heard their complaints which why their sound has gradually gotten better. Thats just me though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Macho Taildrop on January 27, 2021, 12:37:16 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome

Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 27, 2021, 02:59:29 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome
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Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.

Dude I was there! Haha
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 27, 2021, 11:47:17 PM
RATM is more nu metal than Korn. I donít know what the official definition of nu metal is, I was asking about that earlier in the thread, but to me thereís usually a rap element. Now ask yourself which of the two is a rapper, Zach de la Rocha or Jon Davis? Hint, paradoxically itís not the one dressing up like Run DMC...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 28, 2021, 12:07:23 AM
But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool and Orgy.  Hell, maybe even Rammstein, they were on the Family Values tour in í98 after all.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on January 28, 2021, 12:11:06 AM
I never thought of RATM as Nu Metal. Actually when their first album came out the style was called crossover (at least in Europe). The term Nu Metal was first applied to Limp Bizkit afaik.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 28, 2021, 07:16:35 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 08:16:58 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
Holy shit dude!!!!

 Way to come in hot with a rad counterpoint to this discussion. I loved and still appreciate Helmet for so many reasons including nostalgic purposes.

These guy's definitely check alot of boxes for numetal before numetal was a thing.

Now upon greater reflection RATM reminds me of crossover rap metal?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on January 28, 2021, 08:21:13 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on January 28, 2021, 08:46:02 AM

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. 


If Judgment Night is mentioned, I would like to throw in this Onyx/Biohazard collab:

https://youtu.be/DZdW32LgBDc

Rock remixes of rap tracks were quite a thing around that time. E.g. below rock mix of House of Pain Shamrocks and Shenanigans.

https://youtu.be/FOGQDqY-_5w

Obviously Cypress Hill then really jumped on that bandwagon starting from the IV album.

I realise this stuff did not age quite well (as opposed to the rest of the early back catalogue of Onyx, House of Pain and Cypress Hill that aged like fine wine).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 28, 2021, 08:58:34 AM
Onyx fucking rules. I give Kareem 1000% credit for my love of onyx.

My theory is the reason they didnít fucking blow up is because they released Bacdafucup a few months too late. If they released it in December of 1992 it could have been one of the best records of the year. But, by releasing it in March of 93 they couldnít compete with what came later that year, midnight marauders and enter the 36 chambers.

Tl/dr onyx got over shadowed by wu tang and a tribe called quest.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 28, 2021, 09:08:36 AM
i love this thread...hey, cheers bea! and Easy Slider, "if Judgment Night is mentioned, I would [also] like to throw in"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmdg3epcic
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 28, 2021, 11:11:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyvEeoj7To  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyvEeoj7To)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2p7jOXCj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2p7jOXCj0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhyx-heAhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhyx-heAhY)

Eastcide was from my hometown and right on the cusp of blowing up in the rap-rock/nu-metal wave but they were just hoodlums and working dudes making hard music. There was some pretty cool shit going on in Massachusetts in the late 90s-early 00s.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 28, 2021, 02:42:33 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ĎUnsungí was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but thatís a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole Ďgroove metalí thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

For fans of helmet

https://youtu.be/HtQNSslwHJs

Members of Torche, Kylesa...
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 03:06:00 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ĎUnsungí was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but thatís a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole Ďgroove metalí thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on January 28, 2021, 05:59:16 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ĎUnsungí was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but thatís a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole Ďgroove metalí thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY

Thatís definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

Iím sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didnít look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 06:17:16 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ĎUnsungí was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but thatís a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole Ďgroove metalí thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY
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Thatís definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

Iím sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didnít look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.
For sure I use to get down while listening to this jam. It really shows our age when looking back at these types of bands.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 28, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 08:09:53 PM
down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 28, 2021, 11:43:28 PM
Unsung is such a great helmet song

RATM come from the hardcore scene and defs not nu-metal
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on January 29, 2021, 01:46:34 AM
Led Zeppelin is annoying because of Robert Plant's vocals

besides over the hills and far away - have a soft spot from that Jeremy Wray edit lol
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 29, 2021, 04:04:10 AM
I never really liked Led Zeppelin, sure their band is talented but Robert plants voice sucks..
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on January 29, 2021, 04:10:19 AM
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Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k
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This was the most punk shit Iíve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.

Check out their back catalogue.

Itís full of gems like this

https://youtu.be/CLYAPIgXmf4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Macho Taildrop on January 29, 2021, 05:28:21 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 29, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).
Yeah I honestly forgot about Faith No More, which makes a hell of a lot of sense.

I would argue that Red Hot Chili Peppers were biting FNM style but that's just me though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on January 29, 2021, 12:58:16 PM
I never really liked Led Zeppelin, sure their band is talented but Robert plants voice sucks..

this is pretty much where I am at. Can give respect cuz the musicianship but fuck the vocals are so lame

also this band cos-playing led zeppelin is so funny. some of this shit could be straight out of spinal tap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_vnQc1oBE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_vnQc1oBE)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on January 29, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
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Post by: burm on January 29, 2021, 10:11:25 PM
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But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
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Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
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Post by: burm on January 29, 2021, 10:19:17 PM
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But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
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Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
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Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
Because I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.

And in any case my original point here was that some like to lump bands as numetal and that automatically makes them bad, when in my opinion there is little in common between bands like Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down, especially as the bands matured, but all of these I have seen called numetal (not in this thread necessarily)
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 30, 2021, 05:05:21 AM
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But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
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Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
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Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
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Because I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.

And in any case my original point here was that some like to lump bands as numetal and that automatically makes them bad, when in my opinion there is little in common between bands like Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down, especially as the bands matured, but all of these I have seen called numetal (not in this thread necessarily)
For sure I hear this a lot of these bandís were summed up together but completely totally different in similar styles but either toured together or had interwoven friendships

I have to say though if I were to prefer a timeline for this era would be early 90ís to 98í wasnít played out it had itís moments in time that were nostalgic for me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: livin on a speyer on January 30, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
Rap is the most boring music genre there is.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 30, 2021, 11:09:13 AM
Rap is the most boring music genre there is.

I disagree - much like punk - there are subcultures/styles within the culture and maybe you just havenít found the sound/lyricism that suits your taste.

Are you writing off rap as a whole due to whatís popular today?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on January 30, 2021, 11:51:05 AM
rage against the machine and downset laid the foundation for nu metal. theyíre the jumping off point for the genre, so itís a valid classification. itís like throwing emo on husker du in retrospect
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Post by: Sleazy on February 04, 2021, 06:37:39 PM
rage against the machine and downset laid the foundation for nu metal. theyíre the jumping off point for the genre, so itís a valid classification. itís like throwing emo on husker du in retrospect

wouldn't emo be at the drive in?

this kind of pivots well to a point i was going to make which is i think a lot of shitty styles of musics from that era spun off a great bands or at least bands that put out some great songs/albums. the two obvious examples for me in the 90s would be rage and ATDI. both were great but then their style got quickly imitated into these horrible genres that overshadowed the source material. the grunge bands were no where near as bad as the modern rock stuff that imitated it, etc...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dwyck on February 04, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
I like Spiral Stairs vocals better than malkmus's
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 04, 2021, 07:23:04 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
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Post by: El Fapinator on February 04, 2021, 07:33:54 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: silhouette on February 04, 2021, 07:43:26 PM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.
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Post by: Huell Howser on February 04, 2021, 08:22:55 PM
^backed on that later Ramones statement. Howling at the moon off Animal Boy could easily make a top 10 list of best songs of all time. Also I dig the huge sounding production on tracks like Bonzo goes to Bitburg

.38 Special 'Caught Up In You' is one of the best songs ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg21Rkew874 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg21Rkew874)
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Post by: DaleSr on February 04, 2021, 10:18:25 PM
I fucking love Coldplay. I have their lyrics tattooed on my ribs.
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Post by: rawr1922 on February 04, 2021, 11:18:32 PM
I enjoyed reading the nu metal discussion the last 2 pages.
 
Anyways, Jay Reatard & The Black Lips rule.   
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 05, 2021, 03:41:33 AM
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I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.

Yeah true, I mean I love joy division. But, sometimes their tracks can feel bloated and distanced. But if Iím of my meds and feeling like garbage, they hit a lot different than if Iím on my meds.

In the same breath though, as much as I love rudimentary peni, nick blinko made hesitate for years about getting on anti-psychotics, Iím glad I did and it changed my life for the better, but had I not read the primal screamer when I was 13, I would probably be much more well adjusted.
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Post by: Art Greco on February 05, 2021, 06:07:51 AM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.

Too Tough To Die and Halfway To Sanity are my favorite Ramones records.  They got past that rudimentary three chord stuff and really became a good, serious songwriting band at that point. 

Songs like I Wanna Live and  Planet Earth 1988 are miles ahead of what they were doing on Leave Home and Rocket To Russia, imo.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 05, 2021, 06:29:05 AM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.


I think Wolves In Wolves' Clothing is a great NOFX record start to finish. I like stuff from their later catalog but that might be the only one I think is good all the way through. But So Long is my favorite.


The Ramones' later records (especially Animal Boy) are interesting because of how fragmented the writing is. Joey was my favorite member even though Dee Dee was the best songwriter of the band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 05, 2021, 06:42:27 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).

i love helmet as well, and betty especially. wilmas rainbow, milquetoast and street crab are my favorites.

this another 90s alt metal/noise/post hardcore band that ruled, but noone talks about, with helmets peter mengede on guitar. also with ex members of gorilla buiscuits and quicksand. you hear quicksand a lot in there, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nYlz4oeIIg

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on February 06, 2021, 02:01:45 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 06, 2021, 02:13:11 PM
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Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
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Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?

Yes I have! Super good series
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 06, 2021, 07:35:49 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- havenít jammed neurosis but will


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Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#128512;
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on February 07, 2021, 03:22:04 AM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- havenít jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#128512;
What Iím saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what Iíve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now hereís my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of ďprog rockĒ and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 07, 2021, 08:35:15 AM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- havenít jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What Iím saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what Iíve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now hereís my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of ďprog rockĒ and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.

really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on February 07, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- havenít jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What Iím saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what Iíve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now hereís my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of ďprog rockĒ and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
Well Iím hyped theyíve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said heís usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions arenít valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 07, 2021, 11:19:00 PM
I find Joy Division boring, Tool doesn't really do anything for me either but I really like this track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmJYZ1NIn1Y
prison sex is pretty cool too!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tail Devil on February 08, 2021, 05:10:56 AM
I fucking love Coldplay. I have their lyrics tattooed on my ribs.

I think Coldplay became the go-to band to shit on after 40 Year Old Virgin and just because they're not a Rock band, really, but I think they're great and they have been for years.

What lyrics do you have tattoo'd on you?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 08, 2021, 06:46:59 AM
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.

and since we're talking about Robert Smith, look how young and adorable he is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jmB4xgNWw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 08, 2021, 07:39:42 AM
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.




Wow, that's interesting. I love their cover and I love the original. I actually have a 7 inch that has both versions on each side.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 08, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
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i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.

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Wow, that's interesting. I love their cover and I love the original. I actually have a 7 inch that has both versions on each side.

i had no idea they made a split 7" with each version on a side:

https://www.discogs.com/The-Cure-Dinosaur-Jr-Just-Like-Heaven/release/5605934

that's incredible...i had the Dinosaur Jr 7" of "Just Like Heaven" long ago, but--like most of my vinyl--throughout my years of transience, i have no idea where it is and/or if i sold it at one point.

i did manage to hang on to this priceless gem, which i believe was the version of "The Wagon" used in G&S Footage, since this came out a bit before Green Mind

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uXqvyZoMZgOXnSZfha56Xcp2CfLfR9RHULr4iHOftnRp8XEcsGuCVdbEn6T6kVj1-MYV0u1ycHmrg6Sbfb-F9TGKiuED2iNxZwQE46IVovhGES40RRuL6Dp0nPM1PM_7Hbdi8PrVJY0hm1EeTeIIB0glZZ68orm5n8KNTpjPs0h8ybKm7-5Sdz8bZ1xAhEOoXYb-91dCiva2aixCq8-PRoKwLdc29zrWrCaWdaVPSyqxOH__T7xM4GSaAFKzB2E2qaEHdDfk-UQ9ZWO7r8Tt67gQf5k5ENnKT9C2VmgVisbxJkuHY4_wNB9_6x2m7_pUet-_WuypN1In-k47nwJ8_7jfXitjHDdL5Acp84KZieUPU610qQI9mjppZ8Oq_Jglnr6HplT5ULikwFjk_5HZikT47j_btnCtYqsnCvNIKw_1bpsj_tFJ6HjK1Q6Cmtot0Stc-mmJUr3WDYueGshjlNwvVpVXIBni1Ga7jY2LPav8OHT8dxqULlC9J8_14glH0YQFabUbQXAccm0os5ahP-McHQcE6dp0znLOaKB4ynK5BI6wBfdnD__PbTpN6axwH-DH1UNzrDYdw-6xE1MfAtMPG8aDOkcPCy74gpqLlup9zdrDY0sA0gfEW0dfl6MAMM-hvxiC9QMGFg4liK6IHGjCsqeF7vi46Mn--QHLJHbFb9WADO4xN118WcMm=w2128-h1596-no?authuser=0)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on February 08, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 09, 2021, 02:51:03 AM
Man I know itís the unpopular music thread but if you peasants had seen queen on YouTube when they played Wembley then they wouldnít be on this list
Thatís a fucken concert, man

Meatloaf too, I think he comes across the wrong way

Bat out of hell is high art. Him and his mate spent years trying to pitch it for the coin and cunts laughed em out of their offices, called em fuckwits and what have you, absolute disrespect but those two
held their nerve. I dunno, I feel like if you ever saw a musical and liked it youíd get where they were coming from

They should make a movie about that album, deadset
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on February 09, 2021, 05:51:01 AM
I listened to Sublimeís 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

Itís REALLY good.

Now Iím not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I donít live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on February 09, 2021, 06:35:47 AM
I listened to Sublimeís 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

Itís REALLY good.

Now Iím not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I donít live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.

I spent the Summer of 97 in PB, San Diego and there was a tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa) where I used to eat my Quesadillas. They had a jukebox but the only good songs were Caress Me Down by Sublime and Legalize it by Peter Tosh so I always listened to these songs while enjoying my Quesadillas. Hence this song will always remind me of those carefree days before or after a surf session at Mission Beach in the Summer of 97 in that tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa). I realise that's cheesy but then I was talking Quesadillas so it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 09, 2021, 07:01:30 AM
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I listened to Sublimeís 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

Itís REALLY good.

Now Iím not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I donít live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
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I spent the Summer of 97 in PB, San Diego and there was a tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa) where I used to eat my Quesadillas. They had a jukebox but the only good songs were Caress Me Down by Sublime and Legalize it by Peter Tosh so I always listened to these songs while enjoying my Quesadillas. Hence this song will always remind me of those carefree days before or after a surf session at Mission Beach in the Summer of 97 in that tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa). I realise that's cheesy but then I was talking Quesadillas so it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

that's pretty awesome
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Post by: Sleazy on February 09, 2021, 04:56:23 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- havenít jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What Iím saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what Iíve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now hereís my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of ďprog rockĒ and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
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Well Iím hyped theyíve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said heís usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions arenít valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.

so i've been listening to nurosis non-stop. i took the time to compare their output in 93 to tools and i think you are right they seemed a bit ahead of them and definitely missed out on a lot of shine. i'm not sure how no one i hung around with at the time was into them. i new one guy who rocked their shirt but i though it was some 70s band. going to dive into some of those other bands you mentioned too. good shit, thanks!

i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

For the cure this is probably one of my favorite tracks. They are definitely a top 10 band for me. Love that track but have you heard this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXwZ0H1oj0

Actually there are so many underrated lovey songs in their catalog

This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c

100% agree. that song still gets me hyped. This ones pretty epic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFZK58DXfU

And then if your going to talk about Bauhaus you may as well throw out some skinny puppy. Feel they deserved more shine than they got, some great songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ulj3tut3o
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Post by: El Fapinator on February 09, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- havenít jammed neurosis but will


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Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What Iím saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what Iíve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now hereís my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of ďprog rockĒ and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
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Well Iím hyped theyíve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said heís usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions arenít valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.
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so i've been listening to nurosis non-stop. i took the time to compare their output in 93 to tools and i think you are right they seemed a bit ahead of them and definitely missed out on a lot of shine. i'm not sure how no one i hung around with at the time was into them. i new one guy who rocked their shirt but i though it was some 70s band. going to dive into some of those other bands you mentioned too. good shit, thanks!

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i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw
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For the cure this is probably one of my favorite tracks. They are definitely a top 10 band for me. Love that track but have you heard this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXwZ0H1oj0

Actually there are so many underrated lovey songs in their catalog

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This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c
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100% agree. that song still gets me hyped. This ones pretty epic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFZK58DXfU

And then if your going to talk about Bauhaus you may as well throw out some skinny puppy. Feel they deserved more shine than they got, some great songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ulj3tut3o
Yeah just keep going they started out as hardcore crust band,

 Pain of Mind,  Through Silver in Blood, Tribes of Neurot and so on. Bewarned this is a good deep rabbithole you're going down. When one listens to a Neurosis album it's not one or two song's it is all the way through.

Bauhaus has also been my go to but I've recently getting in to darkwave and W∆TĘH H@v$3 weird witch house but it's odd to some.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 10, 2021, 03:48:19 AM
i'm pretty excited for this neurosis rabbit hole. i'm checking out souls at zero now. i saw some guy online say it's still one of his favorite albums and it came out in 92 which makes it really interesting to me as a lot of my favorite albums dropped around then so i wanted to check out this one that i apparently missed.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on February 10, 2021, 06:14:44 AM
I went to see Neurosis play in the early 90s in an unfinished Autobahn tunnel in Stuttgart (die Roehre). There were a lot of Crust punks indeed. It was really loud  ;D
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Post by: ChuckRamone on February 10, 2021, 11:19:51 AM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ĎUnsungí was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but thatís a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole Ďgroove metalí thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
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Post by: El Fapinator on February 10, 2021, 12:37:26 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ĎUnsungí was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but thatís a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole Ďgroove metalí thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-Dw
One would also include this a progenitor as a closer comparison
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on February 10, 2021, 12:39:58 PM
I listened to Sublimeís 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

Itís REALLY good.

Now Iím not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I donít live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.

Sublime got blown up and out with US popular radio, but you're totally right about how they linked genres together. On top of it they were all ugly, fucked up socal scum bag punkers. good shit

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Post by: Sleazy on February 11, 2021, 06:44:43 AM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ĎUnsungí was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but thatís a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole Ďgroove metalí thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-Dw
One would also include this a progenitor as a closer comparison

at the time who would have thought that combining PE and thrash metal could have such a disastrous outcome
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
hey Sleazy, yes i had heard "Catch" by the Cure and i do dig it, although i'm not sure about it comparing to "Just Like Heaven"...maybe...you are right though, and there is quite a lot of loveliness in the Cure's catalogue--like these are both "very sparkly" in their own ways:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOlZtpANa0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdURsH1VjHo

i dig the conversation regarding the Bauhaus' cover of "Ziggy Stardust"...not sure i could go so far as to say it beats the original...i don't know though, it is really good...hah, funny enough, it is making me think of something i once heard regarding the AK platform (as in "AK47") of guns (sorry if this analogy loses some of you good people). Jim Fuller is one of the only American manufacturers to really perfect manufacturing AKs and AK variants, and he once said that the AK is used ubiquitously around the world because, it is such an incredible platform, that even when it is made in a really shitty way, it still works...

...that came to mind when thinking about people covering the song "Ziggy Stardust"--a band like Bauhaus could hardly fuck up such a fundamentally incredible song...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 11, 2021, 07:53:46 PM
I listened to Sublimeís 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

Itís REALLY good.

Now Iím not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I donít live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.
I even like the track with Gwen and I fucking hate no doubt so that's really saying something. On paper it looks kinda cheesy but I think they really had their own niche at the time and album really represents that!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 13, 2021, 09:21:49 PM
not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on February 14, 2021, 04:00:19 AM
The Specials were basically a cover band
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 14, 2021, 05:40:44 AM
The Specials were basically a cover band

this is not untrue...and what a cover band they were...case in point, i love this "Skinhead Symphony," especially when some people are being thugs in the audience and Terry throws his tambourine (of all things) at the guy to get him to stop...how adorable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R4ecjpUn50

nah, but seriously though, i know i put the Dance Craze version of it up on the first page of this thread, but their version of "Concrete Jungle" is actually pretty fucking gnarly. as a young American in the 1980s, its talk of the National Front was the first reason i had to learn about those wanna-be fascist dogs.

"I'm going out tonight
I don't know if I'll be alright
Everyone wants to hurt me
Baby danger in the city

I have to carry a knife
Because there's people threatening my life
I can't dress just the way I want
I'm being chased by the National Front

Concrete jungle, animals are after me
Concrete jungle, it ain't safe on the streets
Concrete jungle, glad I got my mates with me"

fuck it, i'll put it up again--a heavy fucking performance in my humble opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qh63nu1OQ
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on February 24, 2021, 09:10:13 AM
Daft Punk ending things had me going down a rabbit hole. I still stand by my feelings that Discovery is their only great album, Homework is good with flaws, and everything else is kinda whatever...

But I did rewatch the stronger video with Daft Punk and Kanye. I must say this...Anime/Japanese Hypebeast Kanye was the best Kanye by far. He was making some really fun shit during that era.

Not sure if thatís an unpopular opinion but fuck it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on February 24, 2021, 01:17:43 PM
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I listened to Sublimeís 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

Itís REALLY good.

Now Iím not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I donít live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
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I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.
I even like the track with Gwen and I fucking hate no doubt so that's really saying something. On paper it looks kinda cheesy but I think they really had their own niche at the time and album really represents that!

you talking about Robbin the Hood. Saw Red with Gwen is on that album. It's their grittiest record by far. straight secret tweeker pad status.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on February 24, 2021, 07:57:31 PM
The songs on the spotify sad music playlist aren't sad enough.
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Post by: urbneathme on February 24, 2021, 09:15:00 PM
not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.
bowieís music always feels like heís trying to be someone else. letís dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whatever
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Post by: Prince on February 25, 2021, 02:19:41 AM
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not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.
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bowieís music always feels like heís trying to be someone else. letís dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whatever

yeah he's certainly not the god of uniquity to me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Vinz on February 25, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
U2 is the most overrated band ever
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on February 25, 2021, 03:45:22 PM
U2 is the most overrated band ever

Actually theyíre so overrated that the backlash kinda makes them underrated. Like 50 cent or Diplo.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 26, 2021, 01:49:06 AM
Maybe itís all this rack but Iím backing like a prayer
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Post by: Vinz on February 26, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
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U2 is the most overrated band ever
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Actually theyíre so overrated that the backlash kinda makes them underrated. Like 50 cent or Diplo.
people think that diplo makes good music?
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 26, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
This one is tough for me because of how much I love discharge, but the buzzcocks wrote the first dbeat song.

https://youtu.be/hHfG52BRRBY
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Post by: Prince on February 26, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
Maybe itís all this rack but Iím backing like a prayer

Like a prayer is off the hook regardless of rack.

The little bit of guitar at the start before the closing door sound is Prince, the 12 inch version has a Prince solo in it too. Other promo versions and dub mixes feature sneaky little uncredited Prince samples too. Even with out Prince, it's still great. Did it get used in an RDS video somewhere along the line?

Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles, and while I'm thinking about things Australians don't like to hear you say {not sure if the rest of the world even knows this ghastly song} but I would love to never hear Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool again - but I don't like my chances. Sorry if that bums you out Matty C.
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Post by: Frank on February 26, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
!!!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on February 27, 2021, 12:26:56 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!

unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 27, 2021, 02:25:58 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.

Are you Australian?
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on February 27, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.
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Are you Australian?

Nah man, Im Scottish & everyone i know seems to fuckin hate the Eagles.. i kinda like em but i am definitely in the minority up here
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Post by: urbneathme on February 27, 2021, 02:23:02 PM
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Maybe itís all this rack but Iím backing like a prayer
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Like a prayer is off the hook regardless of rack.

The little bit of guitar at the start before the closing door sound is Prince, the 12 inch version has a Prince solo in it too. Other promo versions and dub mixes feature sneaky little uncredited Prince samples too. Even with out Prince, it's still great. Did it get used in an RDS video somewhere along the line?

Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles, and while I'm thinking about things Australians don't like to hear you say {not sure if the rest of the world even knows this ghastly song} but I would love to never hear Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool again - but I don't like my chances. Sorry if that bums you out Matty C.
the story about steely dan making him record a guitar solo for like 10 straight hours largely because they were jealous of him is so fucking funny that it makes him, as a public figure, worth it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: and_so_uh_yeah on February 27, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
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Post by: Prince on February 27, 2021, 05:43:40 PM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.
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Are you Australian?
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Nah man, Im Scottish & everyone i know seems to fuckin hate the Eagles.. i kinda like em but i am definitely in the minority up here

Well, I wish I could tap into my Scottish ancestry and not be Australian just to remove the Eagles from my life. Everyone here seems to love them {well under 50 year olds too!}
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 27, 2021, 07:53:17 PM
Haha nah that song sucks mate, I canít stand the eagles either my dad used to blast them and travelling wilburys on road trips but he only had like the one tape of each band, hell of a thing to do in a car

I didnít know that about the Madonna song, thatís sick. Prince has some good ones for sure
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Burt Ward on February 27, 2021, 10:49:14 PM
Well, I wish I could tap into my Scottish ancestry and not be Australian just to remove the Eagles from my life. Everyone here seems to love them {well under 50 year olds too!}

I'm Australian, and have not noticed this at all. The Eagles are fucken shit.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 27, 2021, 11:09:14 PM
Well then, I hope I'm wrong. Maybe it's a regional thing - maybe I need to leave the north coast.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on February 27, 2021, 11:34:24 PM


anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?


This is a very weird question.
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Post by: and_so_uh_yeah on February 28, 2021, 12:34:57 AM
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lol those mayhem dudes were fucked. obsessed with death and all. the suicide of dead and euronymous taking his picture. then varg murdering euronymous. a fucked situation. the music is interesting. i dunno why i threw sleep in between.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 28, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
U2 is the most overrated band ever

oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c

ps: Vinz
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: lazer69 on February 28, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Catchy. This is the first time i've heard another song from them besides the one that goes like

"I believe in olympic cola..
 Just liisgten to the river from the harr
.... . . . ....... . . .. ........
.... . . .. ... ... .....

I believe in olyyympiic cooOOlaaaaAAA"
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on February 28, 2021, 06:04:23 PM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney

Rancid 2000 is good and i can still play most of the album, but Rancid 1993 and AOCTW are what I like. Life Won't Wait in some ways may be the best.

The Clash is phenomenal. Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros killed it as did BAD

Dropkick Murphys were a great Boston band with Mike McClogan on vox. Down hill fast after he left as far as I was concerned. Wtf was up with that military album on gangs all here?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on March 01, 2021, 01:51:29 AM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney

I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Vinz on March 01, 2021, 12:13:12 PM
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oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c)

ps: Vinz
speaking of performances, If you are paying over $150 to see a live performance it's not worth it.
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Post by: urbneathme on March 01, 2021, 07:42:05 PM
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oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c)

ps: Vinz
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speaking of performances, If you are paying over $150 to see a live performance it's not worth it.
saw the stones in like $2,500 seats (i worked the show and got in for free) and will say that literally no show on earth is worth more than 150 (unless money means nothing to you). that show fully drove that point home. it was literally once in a lifetime stuff for me and i wouldnít have spent 40 bucks for it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on March 01, 2021, 11:55:31 PM
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Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
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I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.

I still bump Rancid's and out come the wolves! and Operation Ivy for that matter!

also Tim Armstrong's first solo record has some hits as well
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Brguy on March 02, 2021, 10:26:32 AM
Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.
I've heard this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTxglw3wtms
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: smellsdead on March 03, 2021, 10:32:41 AM
sleaford mods has filled a void left by the fall
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on March 03, 2021, 02:50:11 PM
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Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
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I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.

I definitely think thrash metal D.R.I. are boring... however you'd be hard-pressed to find something as chaotic and rabid as the Dirty Rotten E.P.  One of the best hardcore EP's ever.  Dealing with It isn't bad... after that though, snoozefest. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88ADl46eok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88ADl46eok)

I dig Rancid.. they are definitely the best of all the late 90's Epitaph bands (not a high bar to clear).  They have great influences and definitely write some great songs.  Sometimes corny, and sometimes waaaay to Clash-rip-offy, but man they can write some street punk anthems (this is from their newest album and it's great):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__WMJusant4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__WMJusant4)

I don't really understand why people hate U2 to such an intense degree... I'm not really fan and don't own any of their albums, but they can write some hits and there's way, WAY worse stuff out there that gets marketed as the 'greatest rock band ever!'.  I guess it could be the over-saturation?  I really don't know, but they aren't as horrible as people claim.

Agreed about the Sleaford Mods.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on March 03, 2021, 03:52:26 PM
also agree about Sleaford Mods, I don't get into as much as the fall of course but they got a similar feel.

this song is a jam. makes me want to listen to the fall or the prodigy lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uN3n-NjLHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uN3n-NjLHc)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on March 05, 2021, 11:58:36 AM
someone mentioned him so I guess this is my unpopular opinion but fuck Colter Wall. Kid used daddy's money/connections to get in with b-list songwriters and made a corny song about nothing that got play on bad tv shows

interesting..  can you eleaborate on this for a Scotsman who knows nothing about the guy other than his tunes
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on March 05, 2021, 04:03:45 PM
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Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
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I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.
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I still bump Rancid's and out come the wolves! and Operation Ivy for that matter!

also Tim Armstrong's first solo record has some hits as well

that album came out early summer 2007, right before my 21 birthday. I was getting tattooed and a dude in the shop was playing wake up and I was pretty stoked on it. I grabbed it and started playing it everywhere I went. I had 2 kickercomp 12s in the trunk of my 5spd 93 eclipse and was in a Mobb Deep/Nas phase, but I was playing a Poets Life all over town haha Couple weeks later, I was at a party with a girl I had been dating for a little over a year and I'd snuck this CD on the stereo to play instead of shitty pop rap and stuff. I'm sitting outside drinking and smoking a J and she comes over and says "We've been together a long time. I deserve a ring." With a poets life as the soundtrack, I said sayonara and soon after hit the road for the first time. That cd got played a lot!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on March 07, 2021, 06:09:46 AM
I donít really get the big deal about Henry Rollins. Heís not particularly profound, funny, or interesting to me.
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Post by: El Fapinator on March 07, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
I donít really get the big deal about Henry Rollins. Heís not particularly profound, funny, or interesting to me.
Henry Rollins' never appealed to me same with Rancid I'm just not moved by Tim's voice or Lars bonehead crew. 

Was in Providence for a few years doing show's with and hanging out with Dropdead and The Pist managed to score a interview with Lars when they were playing with Dropkick Murphys.

Did a whole write up for a punk zine afterwards I felt the dude had no patience kept fidgeting around was short about questions really cagey like he didn't have much to say except plugging his album.  Finally I got bummed out and asked if he wasn't feeling it and he sighed and bailed.  Totally trashed the interview and went off the rails with a hate rage article about how he was a cocksucker.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: smellsdead on March 07, 2021, 06:40:11 AM
ny hip hop is the best
toss up between the south and the west for #2 though
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on March 07, 2021, 09:42:17 AM
people are way too forgiving of dropkick murphys and all other cop punk bands
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on March 07, 2021, 11:22:22 AM
ny hip hop is the best
toss up between the south and the west for #2 though
East coast and the south are the best than third coast with S.U.C. crew. Big hawk, Pimp C, Fat Pat Texas has a hefty weight for rap music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on March 07, 2021, 02:29:12 PM
people are way too forgiving of dropkick murphys and all other cop punk bands

that's what they became, for sure. first couple years they definitely weren't a cop band though
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 07, 2021, 04:24:08 PM
Bear vs. shark is better than at the drive in.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on March 07, 2021, 11:46:11 PM
Sleaford mods are unreal

Good ones are your brave, cunt make it up, Carlton touts, tcr. Theyíre all good songs, actually
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 08, 2021, 07:52:54 AM
i don't really get the Sleaford Mods thing--i have a friend who loves them and has been sharing songs with me and i'm just not feeling it...funny to say that after just saying something positive about a band like U2 above...oh well.

i figure a bunch of heads in this thread are a bit younger, so this may not be that unpopular, but this is an incredible album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNyd9zL44s

i loved it earlier on, and tried getting a bunch of my early- to mid-1990s "indie" friends to give it a chance back when and none of them would even try--back when the "Sweater Song" was on the radio all of the time. since then over the years, a bunch of them have told me that they finally gave it a listen and got sucked right into it and loved it...although, to this day, i can't stand that fucking Buddy Holly song...it's like the slow extraction of a tooth.

it is the only album from Weezer that i like--haven't been able to listen to anything else since...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 08, 2021, 07:56:13 AM
i'm not really expressing an opinion here, other than to say that i can't really decided which version of this song i love more...i love them both, but i'm sure there are some purists in here who have no doubt about which is superior:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fWw7FE9tTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nAON-MwUPY
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on March 08, 2021, 03:16:09 PM
i don't really get the Sleaford Mods thing--i have a friend who loves them and has been sharing songs with me and i'm just not feeling it...funny to say that after just saying something positive about a band like U2 above...oh well.

i figure a bunch of heads in this thread are a bit younger, so this may not be that unpopular, but this is an incredible album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNyd9zL44s

i loved it earlier on, and tried getting a bunch of my early- to mid-1990s "indie" friends to give it a chance back when and none of them would even try--back when the "Sweater Song" was on the radio all of the time. since then over the years, a bunch of them have told me that they finally gave it a listen and got sucked right into it and loved it...although, to this day, i can't stand that fucking Buddy Holly song...it's like the slow extraction of a tooth.

it is the only album from Weezer that i like--haven't been able to listen to anything else since...

I used to listen to that record a lot. When my family got our first computer, with Windows 95, it loaded up the Buddy Holly video. I was in 7th grade, probably 96 or 97, just starting to listen to the Misfits, Sex Pistols, and DKs but I totally got into that track. I can't stand any other Weezer albums, but that blue album is a good throwback to my late childhood. Guitar tone is a nice fuzz for sure
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on March 08, 2021, 03:57:16 PM
i put the banshees version on A LOT more, but everytime i hear iggy's i'm still blown away by it being such a great song.

one of the few examples of them both being as good as each other, being different, but not wildly different at all, but not a total regurgitation type cover. both so incredible!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on March 08, 2021, 06:41:52 PM
loving this thread, has me listening to music i never gave much of a chance because i just heard hits on MTV and never dug in. listened to rancid today and now checking out weezer's blue and been listening to neurosis for a few weeks now. slap at it's best.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 09, 2021, 06:47:17 AM
i put the banshees version on A LOT more, but everytime i hear iggy's i'm still blown away by it being such a great song.

one of the few examples of them both being as good as each other, being different, but not wildly different at all, but not a total regurgitation type cover. both so incredible!

same here--i actually wrote the above post because i just finished watching both seasons of Narcos: Mexico (again) and it is perfect how they use it in episode 9 of the second season...so perfect in fact, that someone put that scene up on youtube i see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF8XQxYLIwU
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on March 09, 2021, 12:34:35 PM
Elliot Smith sucks butt.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on April 04, 2021, 09:09:10 AM
Against Me is overrated IMO I could listen to reinventing axl rose but anything else is meh...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 04, 2021, 09:21:27 AM
Against Me is overrated IMO I could listen to reinventing axl rose but anything else is meh...

I back this. I canít listen to anything past as the eternal cowboy. But I will say that shit rules.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 05, 2021, 03:55:17 PM
my unpopular opinions:

- punk is dead

- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either

- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 05, 2021, 04:42:53 PM
Almost all shoegaze bands except MBV and Ride are fucking terrible.

my unpopular opinions:

- punk is dead

- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either

- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out

I will never chill out.  Punk is definitely dead, basically like Crass said in that one song.  (BTW, with the exception of a couple songs, Crass absolutely sucks.  Just an utter pigshit, dumb as dirt band that thinks its smart.  I will die on that hill.)  You are also correct about the Sex Pistols, who are useless except possibly as a gateway to better music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 05, 2021, 05:26:50 PM
Almost all shoegaze bands except MBV and Ride are fucking terrible.

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my unpopular opinions:

- punk is dead

- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either

- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out
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I will never chill out.  Punk is definitely dead, basically like Crass said in that one song.  (BTW, with the exception of a couple songs, Crass absolutely sucks.  Just an utter pigshit, dumb as dirt band that thinks its smart.  I will die on that hill.)  You are also correct about the Sex Pistols, who are useless except possibly as a gateway to better music.

don't care what hill you die on bro! at least yer dead!!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on April 05, 2021, 07:35:59 PM
Punk most certainly is not dead, FUCK OFF blasphemers!!!!

Yeah most decent bandís have moved on from their initial inception. Sex Pistols were garbage Crass is not garbage, just my opinions though.

Punk is still around and kicking, maybe the scene sucks where youíll live but thatís where you do something about it!

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on April 05, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
punkís not dead, youíre just too old
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 05, 2021, 08:17:38 PM
Iíve been a huge crass fan for damn near two decades, but conflict is the best band to come out of the crass records camp. But both crass and conflict played massive roles in me becoming/staying an anarchist(syndicalist) for what is now the majority of my life thus far.

Also for anyone that fence rides Crass, listen or relisten to feeding the 5000. That shit will give you goosebumps.

Also, unpopular opinion, articles of faith is one of the most underrated first wave hardcore bands.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 05, 2021, 08:21:07 PM
Crass were great, I'd like to believe punk is dead but Propagandhi still exists so ...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 05, 2021, 09:44:43 PM
Crass were the bad kind of anarchist, if I recall. Not syndicalists, but individualist anarchist, which is basically libertarian. Other bands on their label had way better politics and made better music (Zounds is a personal favorite). The first record is half good, but they get successively worse from then on, except for a few good tracks off of Penis Envy.

I’ll explain my opinion regarding the death of punk. Lots of bands play music in the style of punk, and many of them are very good; some are even better than actual first wave punk bands. However, punk isn’t just a style of music—it was a moment in history where things seemed truly up in the air and unsettled, where new possibilities presented themselves in music and beyond. When those possibilities closed off for various reasons, punk died and its remnants splintered into various scenes, which themselves eventually died and splintered. But the music itself still reverberates through bands that interpret that moment of possibility without actually having lived in it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: beatifk on April 06, 2021, 02:14:52 AM
Bear vs. shark is better than at the drive in.

If Bear Vs. Shark didn't have the stupidest name on earth (and had a name as good as "At the Drive In") they probably could've played much bigger shows. But seeing "Bear Vs. Shark" at the top of a show poster/flyer I'm sure was a huge turn-off for any potential new listeners and also any bookers looking to get people to the show. It's such a dumb name. Sorry.

I love their music though and I think I agree with your post.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 06, 2021, 03:54:36 AM
Crass were the bad kind of anarchist, if I recall. Not syndicalists, but individualist anarchist, which is basically libertarian. Other bands on their label had way better politics and made better music (Zounds is a personal favorite). The first record is half good, but they get successively worse from then on, except for a few good tracks off of Penis Envy.

Iíll explain my opinion regarding the death of punk. Lots of bands play music in the style of punk, and many of them are very good; some are even better than actual first wave punk bands. However, punk isnít just a style of musicóit was a moment in history where things seemed truly up in the air and unsettled, where new possibilities presented themselves in music and beyond. When those possibilities closed off for various reasons, punk died and its remnants splintered into various scenes, which themselves eventually died and splintered. But the music itself still reverberates through bands that interpret that moment of possibility without actually having lived in it.

They were anarcho pacifists, which is collectivist in nature and hold very similar views to that of anarchist communist and anarcho syndicalists views, but pacifist believe that the general strike is the beginning and the end movements towards classes, post scarcity society. This is in contrast to other libertarian socialist ideals which view the general strike as a crucial step towards classless society, but not the only necessary action.

But, tendencies and the minutia of anarchism aside, the point was that they showed me what was out there, and to a middle class kid that was invigorating.

But there were a tons of amazing bands to come out of crass records that I like more than crass: zounds, omega tribe, flux of pink indians, poison girls, and by extension via Corpus Christi- conflict, rudimentary peni, and crucifix.

Sources- now and after: the abcís of anarchist communism by berkman 
Revolution and the state: anarchism in the Spanish civil war
Anarchism: a history of libertarian ideas and movements by George woodcock

And me, currently trying to write a book about leftist anti-Bolshevism during the Russian revolution and civil war, concentrating on the Kronstadt rebellion and the Ukrainian free territory
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: johnes on April 06, 2021, 04:39:28 AM
Weezer is one of the best bands of all time and 9 of their 14 albums are really good.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 06, 2021, 06:17:16 AM
the conversation about punk rock being alive or dead is one i could truly get lost in here, and don't really have the time. i will say that i'm with Mr. Stinky, in that you can't just talk about it with regards to the music and culture--historical context (social, political, and economic) is part of it too, right? fuck, where would 1980s punk be without the Reagan family shitting all over the country and world?

i was in isolation throughout most of my early years and really had to explore and discover on my own, and i got ahold of a Toxic Shock mailorder catalogue when i was like 10 or 11, and it's funny how the first few orders i made influenced and determined my tastes indelibly (edit: i literally ordered a number of the first EPs and LPs based on their covers)...here is a seriously random sampling of some oldies but goodies that i played nonstop as a young and aspiring iconoclast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0dLCDLorQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckpros4jW28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_XH_RB5LU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL4WVOOU77M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K0KaTQRbhA

hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sila on April 06, 2021, 06:24:13 AM
Punk most certainly is not dead, FUCK OFF blasphemers!!!!

Yeah most decent bandís have moved on from their initial inception. Sex Pistols were garbage Crass is not garbage, just my opinions though.

Punk is still around and kicking, maybe the scene sucks where youíll live but thatís where you do something about it!

Yep. All this.

Every year punk produces amazing bands, but mostly it's just music. I find more of the punk ethos these days in some of the smaller D.I.Y. techno and queer scenes and other movements. There's still very close knit anarchist collectives throughout the world. There's still communities claiming space as their own. There's people doing great work in harm-reduction, working with refugees, educating kids in school about consent and gendered violence etc. A lot of people I know that do this work are/or were part of their respective local punk scenes. It's not dead by any means, but it's no longer confined to an isolated scene.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 06, 2021, 11:54:41 AM
"punk is dead" is some dumb boomer shit. It's only gotten better.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 06, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead." 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."

I think we're agreeing with each other dude
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 06, 2021, 12:18:00 PM
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People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."
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I think we're agreeing with each other dude

Yeah, we definitely are.  I'm just trying to set it straight that if you view punk as primarily aesthetic, it's not dead, whereas viewing it in a broader social and political context changes that entirely. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 06, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol



That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 12:59:26 PM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.

Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Macho Taildrop on April 06, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8

@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 06, 2021, 01:50:24 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)

cheers Frozen, i had heard both songs and i agree that despite loving the Misfits as is, it would indeed have been "wild and cool" if they had continued on with that set up--how did i not realize there is no guitar until now?

i'm right there with you on Change Today. based off of what you've said in this and other threads, you seem to have a pretty deep knowledge of skate video history, but just in case, Suregrip "Summer Sessions" is one of the reasons this album is especially important to me...this was one of the first videos i actually owned, and i pretty much wore that fucker out from playing it so much...especially the "Terror at Tahoe" part, which--deliciously enough--includes both of the songs you and i have been talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os9JNx4pgs

i love the beginning Del Mar session to "Red Shadows" too!

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Post by: El Fapinator on April 06, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
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cheers Frozen, i had heard both songs and i agree that despite loving the Misfits as is, it would indeed have been "wild and cool" if they had continued on with that set up--how did i not realize there is no guitar until now?

i'm right there with you on Change Today. based off of what you've said in this and other threads, you seem to have a pretty deep knowledge of skate video history, but just in case, Suregrip "Summer Sessions" is one of the reasons this album is especially important to me...this was one of the first videos i actually owned, and i pretty much wore that fucker out from playing it so much...especially the "Terror at Tahoe" part, which--deliciously enough--includes both of the songs you and i have been talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os9JNx4pgs

i love the beginning Del Mar session to "Red Shadows" too!
https://youtu.be/d8m1nRzsOJM
Dude TSOL, Sister's of Mercy, Nine Inch Nails, along with Clan of Xymox were in heavy rotation when I was younger.

Before MM became an edgy cringe dork his early albums we're not that bad. 
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 06, 2021, 05:44:55 PM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.



Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.

They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean
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Post by: Burt Ward on April 06, 2021, 11:07:04 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)

Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 07, 2021, 05:51:35 AM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean


In what context? Because you declared it? Every point you're making is being contradicted. There's no way anybody can pretend you're being close to reasonable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Macho Taildrop on April 07, 2021, 06:21:45 AM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
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Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.

Psyched to find out that other people like that TSOL record. And that era of the Misfits. Deputy, I haven't seen Summer Sessions before but I am psyched to watch it this weekend.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 07, 2021, 01:30:23 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
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Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.
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Psyched to find out that other people like that TSOL record. And that era of the Misfits. Deputy, I haven't seen Summer Sessions before but I am psyched to watch it this weekend.

i'm glad you're going to check it out Frozen, but be warned, some of the skits between parts are hard to sit through--it was the early 1980s and all....part of the reason my stepdad and i were always beefed out because i wore out a vcr or two because i was rewinding and fastforwarding all of the time...still, plenty of incredible skating edited to TSOL nonetheless, especially the "Terror at Tahoe" segment...
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean
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In what context? Because you declared it? Every point you're making is being contradicted. There's no way anybody can pretend you're being close to reasonable.

lol what's getting contradicted? the material conditions of the world are not the same as they were when punk rock was created and eventually faded out as a movement around 1987. the genre can still get made but that doesn't mean the movement itself is still a living, breathing thing. dressing up like it's 1983 doesn't make it 1983. having a band that sounds like saccharine trust doesn't make you saccharine trust... the world the punk movement was created in response to doesn't exist anymore. are we done here
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on April 07, 2021, 03:14:57 PM
As long as there is bullshit to rage against, young people will still continue making punk. The economic problems of the 70ís and threat of nuclear war gave us the nihilism that sparked punk.

We now have global warming and capitalism ruining every facet of life. Punk is still living in pockets (especially the queer and scenes in other countries, like Indonesia) and will return at some point.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 07, 2021, 04:14:20 PM
man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: 2th on April 07, 2021, 05:28:26 PM
nah there's something there. i'd say the same for nu metal too lol there's my unpopular addition
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 07, 2021, 05:56:10 PM
man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose


No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 07, 2021, 07:23:37 PM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dwyck on April 07, 2021, 08:33:31 PM
the sex pistols were a boy band put together so vivenne westwood could sell clothes. public image was great
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on April 07, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 07, 2021, 08:50:48 PM
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks

I take it you donít like first wave hardcore or...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2021, 08:53:47 PM
I enjoy a specific handful of punk bands but don't really find the overall sound of punk as a genre to be enjoyable. Deathgrind, grindcore, and black metal are where it's at for me. Blast beats are everything.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Burt Ward on April 07, 2021, 08:56:40 PM
the sex pistols were a boy band put together so vivenne westwood could sell clothes. public image was great

Maybe so, but that is a hell of a rock and roll record.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 07, 2021, 08:57:13 PM
I enjoy a specific handful of punk bands but don't really find the overall sound of punk as a genre to be enjoyable. Deathgrind, grindcore, and black metal are where it's at for me. Blast beats are everything.

Those theee genres are all derivative of hardcore punk.

Personally, I find 98% of 77ís punk boring as shit. But once hardcore hit, there was and still is nothing like it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: beatifk on April 08, 2021, 01:42:23 AM
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks

https://youtu.be/smmkTHk6qC4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 05:31:49 AM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.


What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise.  You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 08, 2021, 06:25:11 AM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.
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What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise.  You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.

you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol. I'm not the first person to say punk is dead and I for sure won't be the last. I never said punk started in the 80s either. the point is whizzing past your head so i'm gonna gracefully bow out of this discussion now. peace bro
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 06:38:28 AM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.
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What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise.  You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.
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you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol. I'm not the first person to say punk is dead and I for sure won't be the last. I never said punk started in the 80s either. the point is whizzing past your head so i'm gonna gracefully bow out of this discussion now. peace bro


So what is the point? I keep bringing things up and you're like "uhh, no".



I don't really care what you think about punk but this kinda thing is a pet peeve of mine. Everytime somebody has an "unpopular opinion" it's usually just an ignorant viewpoint with no real logic behind it. Then when that point is criticized they don't back it and just double down on the "opinion" factor of it as if opinions can't be criticized. I'm calling your point stupid because it lacks substance and logic. I'm calling it stupid because you're ignoring every counterpoint being presented to you. I'm calling it stupid because you're changing the definition of objective terms and expecting people to be on board. (Different=dead is fucking dumb). I'm sure from your end it looks like I'm really worked up about punk but in truth posts like yours bother me a lot because it ruins the nuance of other conversations going on in here. There are lots of people in this thread disagreeing with each other while being reasonable. You are not one of those people.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 08, 2021, 06:54:28 AM
Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

Thereís a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and itís commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isnít dead, itís just different.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 08, 2021, 09:09:08 AM
Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.



This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 09:31:31 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

Thereís a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and itís commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isnít dead, itís just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.


I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 08, 2021, 09:52:59 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

Thereís a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and itís commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isnít dead, itís just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.

I apologize, I donít think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasnít a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 08, 2021, 10:08:18 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.
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I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.

I'd answer this by saying that punk rock was not artistically successful in surviving the attempts to mainstream it, whereas hip-hop was very different in that some of the best hip-hop artists also wound up being quite successful, commercially.  (Why is this? Perhaps punk being made by potential "insiders"--white, often middle-class bohemians--who were disposed to accept mainstream approval, as opposed to hip-hop, which was a product of the perpetually marginalized, who rightly mistrusted mainstream culture, has something to do with it.) There are extremely few artistic and commercial successes in punk, if any, to the point that commercial involvement in punk seems to have led to the original scene dying off and giving rise to more uncompromisingly aggressive or experimental music like hardcore and post-punk in an effort to preserve the ideals of free expression and independence that people read into early punk.   

So the "spirit of punk" or whatever might have lived on through those scenes, but only in aesthetically and ideologically distinct forms.  In that way, the comparison between post-punk and punk or hardcore and punk is probably closer to the comparison between punk and 60s counterculture, in that they might have certain affinities, but they're not exactly in continuity with each other.  Nothing that came out of punk really even sounded like early punk for most of the 80s, until there was a sort of revival in the 90s and 00s which has continued and gotten richer to this day, which suggests that it wasn't particularly lively for most of that time.

I apologize, I don’t think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasn’t a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.

No apologies necessary, dude, and thanks for the kind word.  I'm a huge music and politics dork, so this type of discussion is a lot of fun for me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

Thereís a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and itís commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isnít dead, itís just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.
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I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.
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I'd answer this by saying that punk rock was not artistically successful in surviving the attempts to mainstream it, whereas hip-hop was very different in that some of the best hip-hop artists also wound up being quite successful, commercially.  (Why is this? Perhaps punk being made by potential "insiders"--white, often middle-class bohemians--who were disposed to accept mainstream approval, as opposed to hip-hop, which was a product of the perpetually marginalized, who rightly mistrusted mainstream culture, has something to do with it.) There are extremely few artistic and commercial successes in punk, if any, to the point that commercial involvement in punk seems to have led to the original scene dying off and giving rise to more uncompromisingly aggressive or experimental music like hardcore and post-punk in an effort to preserve the ideals of free expression and independence that people read into early punk.   

So the "spirit of punk" or whatever might have lived on through those scenes, but only in aesthetically and ideologically distinct forms.  In that way, the comparison between post-punk and punk or hardcore and punk is probably closer to the comparison between punk and 60s counterculture, in that they might have certain affinities, but they're not exactly in continuity with each other.  Nothing that came out of punk really even sounded like early punk for most of the 80s, until there was a sort of revival in the 90s and 00s which has continued and gotten richer to this day, which suggests that it wasn't particularly lively for most of that time.

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I apologize, I donít think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasnít a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.
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No apologies necessary, dude, and thanks for the kind word.  I'm a huge music and politics dork, so this type of discussion is a lot of fun for me.



What do you mean by "artistically successful"? Like do you think its commodification (which I would argue could be pinned to Nirvana's Nevermind) had a poor impact on smaller bands/scenes in terms of their actual art? Because the way I see it, for every Hollywood Records throwing truckloads of cash at the hot punk band making their platinum record, there'll always be an Asian Man Records who use their modest platform to put out interesting records and beget action via anti-racist compilations/fundraisers/etc. It may be eclectic and niche, but I think there's always some form of that which will always be around even if it changes drastically.






Also just wanna throw out that even though we're disagreeing, I think you're being reasonable and this is a fun conversation.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sila on April 08, 2021, 11:52:06 AM
As long as there is bullshit to rage against, young people will still continue making punk. The economic problems of the 70ís and threat of nuclear war gave us the nihilism that sparked punk.

We now have global warming and capitalism ruining every facet of life. Punk is still living in pockets (especially the queer and scenes in other countries, like Indonesia) and will return at some point.

I'm half Indonesian. The scene there is awesome and people are really dedicated, it's something special. I miss my buds there big time.
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Post by: brycickle on April 08, 2021, 01:21:46 PM


you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol.
Wrong. I do it all the time.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 08, 2021, 06:17:23 PM
...just in case it didn't come through loud and clear above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckpros4jW28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMy-cxFDINM

"better youth organization"
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Post by: El Fapinator on April 09, 2021, 06:05:14 AM
Punk ethos doesn't necessarily have to be punk music derivative, such as Billy Holiday and Nina Simone and other person's of color who stuck their fingers to the man in an act of defiance to the oppressors.
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Post by: Huell Howser on April 13, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 13, 2021, 08:00:20 AM
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals

THANK YOU
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Post by: El Fapinator on April 13, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
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THANK YOU
https://youtu.be/cY3oGfiJTpI

Fuck Ben Weasel and FUCK LED ZEPPELIN!
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Post by: doublesteveburger on April 16, 2021, 06:27:28 PM
if punk is dead then consider me miles davis
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 17, 2021, 07:50:07 AM
The damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 17, 2021, 07:57:18 AM
The damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.

copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 17, 2021, 08:30:17 AM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0

This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48
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Post by: bea! on April 17, 2021, 08:36:34 PM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48

Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..

This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on April 18, 2021, 01:30:36 AM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48
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Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..

This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)

now were talkin! fuckin great band
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Post by: El Fapinator on April 18, 2021, 05:28:45 AM
https://youtu.be/OAvy4HtAkjY
I love pub rock, these guys just get me.
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Post by: El Fapinator on April 18, 2021, 05:41:20 AM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48
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Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..

This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)
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now were talkin! fuckin great band
I mean whoever really put the sex pistols in the annals of "punk history"  is a fucking toolbag with rocks for brains. 

So what you had been touted as the new fad, it was a joke at best. alongside with Sid Vicious he could've had a great career maybe with another outfit but then again he was stupid as fuck too.

There's so many better bands that had come out beforehand and right alongside their Bollocks album.

In no way is this list of accurate of SP albums release but I can list a fuckload of better bands that came out either beforehand or at the time.

The Damned
Dead Boys
The Exploited
Cocksparrer
The Business
Clash
Zounds
Flux Of Pink Indians
The Mob

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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on April 18, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
Joe Strummer sez "In fact, punk rock means EXEMPLARY MANNERS TO YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING. Fuck being an asshole, what you pricks thought it was twenty years ago. It's totally just dawned on me. These interviews are good because it makes you think. 'Cause otherwise you go to sleep and watch the Rider's Cup or something."
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Post by: skate_or_dingus on May 05, 2021, 08:48:19 AM
Embryonic is the Flaming Lips' masterpiece.
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Post by: Prince on May 07, 2021, 04:07:58 AM
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals

i have a very distinct memory of being like 9 or 10 and hearing Led Zeppelin for the first time and being super into almost all of the songs until he would start singing and then just thinking it was total shit and that he was ruining everything.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on July 02, 2021, 07:17:08 AM
bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I canít stand the wave of ďsurf-gothĒ bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers donít appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
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Post by: Frank on July 02, 2021, 07:42:29 AM
bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I canít stand the wave of ďsurf-gothĒ bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers donít appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?

yeah it's weird. i always thought the growlers suck. most bands playing this type of music are just super boring and they seem to contrast it with the vague gothness to make it more interesting.

but i like sex church, i think you could call them surf goth.

this is still the best surf-goth track oat to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InpYJv-Pe3U
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 02, 2021, 07:51:07 AM
The surfy goth stuff doesn't inherently bother me but I've yet to find any that I consider remarkably exciting.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on July 02, 2021, 08:39:23 AM
bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I canít stand the wave of ďsurf-gothĒ bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers donít appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?

i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?
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Post by: bea! on July 02, 2021, 08:47:54 AM
Chris Isaak has being doing this for awhile:

 http://youtu.be/OIkPvBcbQYI (http://youtu.be/OIkPvBcbQYI)

His stuff is definitely worth a listen if youíve never checked it out.
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Post by: Frank on July 02, 2021, 09:00:53 AM
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I canít stand the wave of ďsurf-gothĒ bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers donít appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
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i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?

i think the whole thing has more to do with mixing contradictory vibes and aesthetics than certain bands or waves in genres influencing the sound.

i mean agent orange and wipers had surf influences for sure, but i blame that on territory and/or the fact that they had not as broad a range of genres back then they could be influenced from. as an early punk band you most likely were influenced by fast and rugged rockn roll, glam rock, surf and then stuff like velvet underground or even funk and soul that was played with lots of temp and energy.

to me the surf-goth thing seems like it's mostly done by people who are actually not that much invested in either surf or goth. more like garage-indie rockers having this ironic idea of making music that at first evokes memories of sunny beaches, waves and bad ass surfers, but they turn the dramatic parts into dread and try to infuse it with gloom and apathy. the mental picture to me is a dead beach that has always bad weather, very murky water, kind of like the dogtown ocean park surf spot on a very gloomy day.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on July 02, 2021, 09:41:05 AM
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I canít stand the wave of ďsurf-gothĒ bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers donít appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
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i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?
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i think the whole thing has more to do with mixing contradictory vibes and aesthetics than certain bands or waves in genres influencing the sound.

i mean agent orange and wipers had surf influences for sure, but i blame that on territory and/or the fact that they had not as broad a range of genres back then they could be influenced from. as an early punk band you most likely were influenced by fast and rugged rockn roll, glam rock, surf and then stuff like velvet underground or even funk and soul that was played with lots of temp and energy.

to me the surf-goth thing seems like it's mostly done by people who are actually not that much invested in either surf or goth. more like garage-indie rockers having this ironic idea of making music that at first evokes memories of sunny beaches, waves and bad ass surfers, but they turn the dramatic parts into dread and try to infuse it with gloom and apathy. the mental picture to me is a dead beach that has always bad weather, very murky water, kind of like the dogtown ocean park surf spot on a very gloomy day.

funny thing reading this--have you ever heard of Further? if you were buying vinyl in the early to mid 1990s, they were in the record bins at points, and they were definitely playing around with a surfy kind of thing...case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xtgrNNVnTc

i dug/dig their lo-fi thing, but my friends mostly thought they were pretty "after the fact" when it came to 1990s "indie" music. i've never taken the time to look up any lyrics, so i don't know if they convey "gloom and apathy," but this one seems to, even if the music does not really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJubJYkH0g

this is one of my favorites from them, and it does not seem very gloomy...in fact, it seems "very sparkly"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIOQW2NvJvc
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Post by: Frank on July 02, 2021, 08:46:13 PM
great post deputy, definetly a good example of the mood i described, but certainly more 90sish in the sense that it still sounds like quirky 90s indie rock to me, sort of like polvo with a surfy vibe, very cool.

i guess the 10s surf rock thing leans more into the repetitive, treble heavy post punk goth guitar sound and straight up mixes it with slowed down surf rythms, which i think is much more derivative and formulaic than creating that mood and associations more freely and then landing into ones own niche of contemporary indie sounds.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on July 04, 2021, 12:59:25 PM
Some great links being posted here and it all but confirms my distaste for the current wave of bands emulating (or trying) this sound. Itís been years since Iíd listened to Agent Orange so thanks for the reminder up there.


Kinda unrelated but Iíve been in a silly mood musically - any of yíall like The Dickies or Toy Dolls? If you listen to them in the context of having a silly time - they fucking rip.


http://youtu.be/ucLrGZv6z5Q

http://youtu.be/QaYCaaWtrTc
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Post by: doublesteveburger on October 06, 2021, 10:38:54 AM
I donít like Black Sabbath
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 06, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
I like the toy dolls enough, good fun band. I had a friend in 8th grade that was fucking obsessed with them though. I distinctly remember his mom driving us in her Prius to the mall to watch hitchhikers guide to the galaxy the day it came out and my buddy had burned a cd that was comprised of his favorite tracks from dig that groove baby and a few other records, but each song was on their twice in a row.

My hot take, The Damned are the absolute best first wave punk band and like one of four 77ís bands that I will ever give a fuck about.
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Post by: Easy Slider on October 06, 2021, 02:44:33 PM
I loved the Toy Dolls but only the stuff until 1990.
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Post by: Hinna on October 06, 2021, 06:50:28 PM
the beatles. cringe
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Post by: fredgallSOTY on October 06, 2021, 09:39:53 PM
i was a big galaxie 500 fan for years and then i realized today that 90% of their songs are really boring to me and i always skip them and other bands did that shit so much better
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Post by: DaveFuck on October 07, 2021, 05:58:06 AM
The red hot chili peppers suck
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 07, 2021, 06:03:28 AM
The red hot chili peppers suck
I doubt anyone on here is really going to defend them, maybe mothers milk era but even thenÖ pretty pukey
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 07, 2021, 02:24:13 PM
I think knocked loose and turnstile are trash.

Sorry everyone
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Post by: Hinna on October 07, 2021, 03:34:07 PM
The red hot chili peppers suck
douchey fake chill surfer vibes. frat bros think theyre deep
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Post by: El Fapinator on October 07, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
I think The Cure sucks, I know itís an unpopular opinion but I jut donít like their sappy stuff at all.
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Post by: Hinna on October 07, 2021, 05:14:49 PM
hardcore just makes me cringe now. bunch of angry bald tough tattooed guys screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever. the cure is kooky too. thats not to say i havent seen them live but that was a lifetime ago back in high school
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Post by: rawr1922 on October 07, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
I think The Cure sucks, I know itís an unpopular opinion but I jut donít like their sappy stuff at all.
Same. Also Morrissey sucks. The Smiths super overrated however I like the song "Big Mouth Strikes Again"
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Post by: cucktard on October 07, 2021, 05:21:00 PM
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember
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Post by: skate_or_dingus on October 08, 2021, 03:26:46 AM
hardcore just makes me cringe now. bunch of angry bald tough tattooed guys screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever. the cure is kooky too. thats not to say i havent seen them live but that was a lifetime ago back in high school

 I've always had difficulty getting into hardcore because of the scene that surrounds it. Buncha meatheads that want to seem more inclusive than they actually are (yes, I know that not every hardcore fan is a jock, but there is an obnoxious surplus of 'em).
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Post by: burm on October 08, 2021, 07:34:32 AM
I mean it's perfectly fine and normal to not get into every genre of music or band, but that doesn't automatically mean it sucks? I don't find enjoyment in most genres of electronic music / techno / whatever, but I don't think the people who do are wrong. Maybe that's an unpopular opinion in the context of this thread already?

Sharing the aversion to hardcore as many above. It just feels very simplistic and lacking any nuance to me. I don't know, is Hatebreed consider anywhere near hardcore? I can occasionally get into them a little at a time because it's to upfront and in your face vocals wise, but even then it gets very repetitive fast.

I'm a big Morrissey fan and even recently have been listening to a lot of his stuff but I do admit that the newest records kinda sounds like his off his rocker and the magic fades a bit and you start to think was he actually always just babbling on about nonsense? But in any case I tend to think less negatively and binary about music and other entertainment nowadays, like there's so much of it available that everyone has something to enjoy and the rest you can just leave for the other people.

Even Red Hot Chili Peppers, I read "no one will defend them" and thought sounds about right but then got to thinking about it like sure they've had enough radio play over the decades that I have no interest in ever hearing those popular songs ever again, but just like Guns'n'Roses they used to be cool back in the day and what changed is they got more popular and played out but they were doing their thing and so as a test I picked one of their records at random and looked for a song I didn't recognise to get a fresh view and you know you can probably tell I've had a couple of beers at the office since it's been a tough week at work and now actually everyone else has left already so maybe it doesn't make any sense to sit here alone drinking beer and typing a message to Slap on a Friday night.

I find myself wanting to end messages with a Shalom now more than every and I feel it's a shame that was taken away from us since it became a real positive thing in my eyes.
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Post by: El Fapinator on October 08, 2021, 07:58:09 AM
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just canít (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth heís weird but I like it.
Biggie címon buddy thatís a no brainer
Dystopia bruv youíre killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just canít.

Will add more later as I remember
Made a few notes from my own opinions,  Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.

For me I hate those bands that just donít quite get it, theyíre in a vein of something good but itís either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags weíre original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when itís not necessary.


Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you!
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Post by: bea! on October 08, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just canít (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth heís weird but I like it.
Biggie címon buddy thatís a no brainer
Dystopia bruv youíre killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just canít.

Will add more later as I remember
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Made a few notes from my own opinions,  Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.

For me I hate those bands that just donít quite get it, theyíre in a vein of something good but itís either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags weíre original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when itís not necessary.


Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you!

Itís weird to me you would think this about black flag because theyíre not meatheads whatsoeverÖ maybe Rollins kinda became one later on during his solo years with his weightlifting and seriousness but he was never a dumb meathead.  Black Flag were mostly scrawny nerdy guys who ended up having this huge meathead scene surround them, but the principal characters (Ginn, Dukowski, Robo, Kira, Dez, Morris) weíre just awkward punk rock weirdos.


I always loved that Greg Ginnís favorite band was the Grateful Dead.

I donít understand how anybody can not get into Black Flag or Mot�ad (at least the first 4 albums).
 
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Post by: El Fapinator on October 08, 2021, 09:00:43 PM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just canít (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth heís weird but I like it.
Biggie címon buddy thatís a no brainer
Dystopia bruv youíre killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just canít.

Will add more later as I remember
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Made a few notes from my own opinions,  Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.

For me I hate those bands that just donít quite get it, theyíre in a vein of something good but itís either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags weíre original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when itís not necessary.


Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you!
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Itís weird to me you would think this about black flag because theyíre not meatheads whatsoeverÖ maybe Rollins kinda became one later on during his solo years with his weightlifting and seriousness but he was never a dumb meathead.  Black Flag were mostly scrawny nerdy guys who ended up having this huge meathead scene surround them, but the principal characters (Ginn, Dukowski, Robo, Kira, Dez, Morris) weíre just awkward punk rock weirdos.


I always loved that Greg Ginnís favorite band was the Grateful Dead.

I donít understand how anybody can not get into Black Flag or Mot�ad (at least the first 4 albums).
 
I really honestly donít know why I consider them meathead music I I get like the first four fucking albums were like super good especially Keith Morrison and Dez Cadena.

Just like suicidal and other hard-core bands at the time there is a super fan of the bags that I just donít like I understand get when I think of like black flag more specifically Henry Rollins I think of cops and having the black flag bars or cops with the misfit skull like thatís what I think of when I think of like those bands.

Cops meat head bands Hatebreed sick of it all I mean letís letís be honest how many times can you re-invent a fucking wheel Cro-Mags gangrene agnostic front they all like where the progenitors of those meathead bands yes they have a Lotta good albums specially more specifically the fair first two or three albums but anything after sounds like heís trying to catch lightning in a bottle fuck that shit

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Post by: Dante Bichette on October 08, 2021, 09:22:42 PM
I can't really get with Gojira.

GWAR is also very meh to me, being a Richmonder that sounds kinda blasphemous but the music has always just been kinda corny to me.
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 08, 2021, 09:24:59 PM
I under what youíre saying, el fap, and too a degree Iím inclined to agree with you. Most heavy music is just variations of a theme. But through those variations we find shit that sticks out to us.

 Like, I know a lot of youth crew dudes that would agree 100% that all youth crew bands are just trying to be youth of today, but some do it better than others, and some do it better than the originators. Iíll never willingly put on youth of today, but I fucking adore chain of strength and judge.

Also, I gotta give you credit because you listed off a lot of guilty pleasure bands of mine, specifically hatebreed and sick of it all.

But donít sleep on modern hardcore, because theyíre is a lot of great shit coming out. In my opinion, Iíd rather be catching some of these bands come up now than the ones I got to see when I was growing up. 
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 09, 2021, 01:54:08 AM
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just canít (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just canít.

Will add more later as I remember

yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I donít really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), Iíve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genreÖ
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on October 09, 2021, 02:33:09 AM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just canít (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just canít.

Will add more later as I remember

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yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I donít really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), Iíve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genreÖ

Motorhead were never a metal band, they were a rock n roll band, theyre just really really fuckin loud!
Theres a swing to a lot of their tunes that you dont get in metal.. i agree with you GISM, I hardly ever listen to metal these days, it gets so dull so fast but Motorhead are one of my all time faviurite bands
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 09, 2021, 02:59:23 AM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember

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yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I don’t really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), I’ve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genre…
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Motorhead were never a metal band, they were a rock n roll band, theyre just really really fuckin loud!
Theres a swing to a lot of their tunes that you dont get in metal.. i agree with you GISM, I hardly ever listen to metal these days, it gets so dull so fast but Motorhead are one of my all time faviurite bands

In almost all the bands I listed, there are maybe a few songs I like, but not enough to get to dig deeper. Whenever I try (and for some of them I really did), I just don’t vibe with the general aesthetic enough.

Actually, a lot of late Bob Marley too, for that matter. If I listen to reggae, I hardly ever put on Bob.

One weird exception to my tastes is Disrupt.
I generally can’t listen to crust, but something about their melodies… I can’t put my finger on it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 09, 2021, 05:40:56 AM
Yeah, I tried so many times with amebix, I should love them but every time Iím just like, hmmm It just doesnít grab me!
Never really listened to disrupt, may have to check them out. Whatís a good entry point?

Swallowing Shit are hands down my fav grind band. Im also not a huge power violence fan but love Spazz, go figure Ö
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 09, 2021, 06:44:15 AM
Try this

https://youtu.be/c7iPHYTD_Kw
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Post by: bea! on October 09, 2021, 07:21:30 AM
ManÖ Amebix ďAriseĒ is a flawless album.  Just the dark, apocalyptic vibe is what most crust/UK82 bands go for but donít come close.  They arenít really a crust band in Ďsoundí though.  Axe man is such a killer opening song:

 http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo (http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo)

Pretty tarnished by their singers Holocaust denial though. 

Personally, I like hardcore thatís just lightning speed punk rockÖ fast, snotty and not a trace of metal. 

 http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE (http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE)

 http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8 (http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8)

 http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8 (http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on October 09, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
I love Coldplay
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on October 09, 2021, 09:32:36 AM
I listen to Christian metal and rap.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on October 09, 2021, 10:40:01 AM
ManÖ Amebix ďAriseĒ is a flawless album.  Just the dark, apocalyptic vibe is what most crust/UK82 bands go for but donít come close.  They arenít really a crust band in Ďsoundí though.  Axe man is such a killer opening song:

 http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo (http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo)

Pretty tarnished by their singers Holocaust denial though. 

Personally, I like hardcore thatís just lightning speed punk rockÖ fast, snotty and not a trace of metal. 

 http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE (http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE)

 http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8 (http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8)

 http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8 (http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8)
The power remains and Arise were my favorite albumís and still are. When I heard about The Baron being a denier was a deep hurt I felt as that band helped me through a lot of pain as a kid.

I realize over the years the same bands here and there arenít as poignant and great as they use to be.

Gwar was cool as an angsty kid and their vhsís were kinda cool but then again so was GG Allin and I look back and roll my eyes &#128064; in disgust.

Iíve definitely heard a shit load of bands via traveling and just being right place right time much to my chagrin some of those same bandís I wouldnít touch them with a ten foot pole.

I really hate Led Zeppelin and those big arena bandís Def Leopard Scorpions pretty much those terrible hair cock rock bands suck ass.

GNR, Motley Crue, Europe, never been a fan of that ilk, I like Judas Priest but but the latter bandís are trash.

So someone mentioned they didnít understand Dystopia, Iíll try to explain my fascination with them.

Theyíve got a great sound of blending sludge doom and crusty metal, the self loathing and depression really resonates with me some of the misanthropy Iíve felt over the years as well is quite resounding in their music.

Some people can agree and some not \__<o-0>__/ itís not my business to convince others my preference but I would say if youíre not in to the crusty stuff try listening to their self titled album the last one and itís more death metal than sludge/doom.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tear Up a Trick on October 09, 2021, 02:25:38 PM
Kim Deal is the second best bassist the Pixies have had.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 11, 2021, 07:22:16 PM
rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit. that 1 good joey badass song is the last i remember
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 11, 2021, 09:31:17 PM
rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
preach!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 11, 2021, 10:43:53 PM
Yíall are sleeping on some incredible rap
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ok boomer on October 12, 2021, 06:59:39 AM
I've been listening to punk/ hardcore since... 1985 I think? or 1984? My unpopular opinions are:
-I don't like the Ramones. I've always not liked them. I know they influenced this and that, but they do exactly 0 for me. I even saw them in 1990 I think, because all my buds were so hyped, but I just stood there trying to count how many songs may be left.
-Also not that big on the Clash. There are some songs that I like, but just not into them overall and own 0.
-Not sure if this is a thing or not, but I've seen (online and in real life) that it is "cool" to say Ron Reyes is the best Black Flag singer. I think he was easily the worst. I do think Rollins was the best (Damaged), but the music changed a lot during his tenure. The 1982 demos with him singing are awesome. (also a big fan of Dez singing and Keith Morris too, but Ron I could not stand)
-PiL was a great band. Way more interesting than the Pistols were, although I was a fan.

Again, everyone's different and those are my opinions. I know my distaste of the Ramones has been deemed sacrilege, but what are you gonna do? If you don't like it, you don't like it. I've been in a lot of stupid arguments over the years for that one, usually with the :
"How can you not like the Ramones?"
"Easily" - me


I'm way more into the UK82 style (Exploited, GBH, Discharge, Broken Bones) and old Hardcore punk stuff (Minor Threat, Cro-Mags, old Agnostic Front, Sheer Terror, Circle Jerks, 7 Seconds, Adolescents, old Suicidal) and also the Accused, Septic Death, Napalm Death.. oh and Dystopia also! BUT also.. i love 80s music (Duran Duran, Alphaville, A-Ha, the Smiths etc) and 70s classic rock stuff (Marshall Tucker Band, Skynyrd etc) AND Beethoven as well. Also my favorite band of all time is probably Pink Floyd so there is that too.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 12, 2021, 07:43:10 AM
Kim Deal is the second best bassist the Pixies have had.

I kinda roll my eyes at people who praise her. Nothing against her at all, but I don't feel like she contributed as much to their sound as some claim. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 12, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didnít yet know you liked.

Debating the merits of 30-40 year old bands and albums seems pretty useless to me unless you are doing an essay about it for your Music History class.

Unpopular opinion? Or should we discuss whether moving to Coral Records was better or worse for Buddy Hollyís sound?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on October 12, 2021, 09:15:42 AM
Yíall are sleeping on some incredible rap
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs
I back this, for those who are complaining about not finding something new youíll are not going deep enough thereís always something new you havenít heard before if you can dig deep in the rabbit hole.

Sure itís not popular but Iíve heard a great number of underground artists needing their comeup.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 12, 2021, 09:44:26 AM
There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didnít yet know you liked.

And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!

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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!

I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on October 12, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Yíall are sleeping on some incredible rap
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs

I love Freddie's production but man he might be the worst rapper to come out of the underground over the past decade.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 12, 2021, 10:49:24 AM
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There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didnít yet know you liked.
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And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!

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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!
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I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
I have been very much enjoying RTJ in the recent years, I think they represent something that is different and fresh and current and they can put you in a good head nodding mood and then bum you out on some real shit you needed to hear too. To me they are very mainstream so I imagine everyone would be aware of them but just in case someone doesn't know what I'm talking about I'll link a song below.

But yeah I've fallen of the rap wagon while getting older too, mumble rap and autotune crap and all that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sff7Kc77QAY
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 12, 2021, 10:56:25 AM
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There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didnít yet know you liked.
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And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!

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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!
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I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
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But yeah I've fallen of the rap wagon while getting older too, mumble rap and autotune crap and all that.


Well, more precisely the US rap wagon, been paying more attention on local and euro stuff
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 12, 2021, 12:35:00 PM
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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!
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I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
i hear ya

and yep ramones and the clash are pretty cringe. its mostly posers who rock their shirts too
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Macho Taildrop on October 12, 2021, 01:30:58 PM
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.

Prefab Sprout is one of the most underrated bands of all time.

Danzig's output outside of The Misfits isn't as good as The Misfits, but The Misfits stuff that Danzig recorded solo is the best Misfits.

Disclose is better than Discharge.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on October 12, 2021, 03:04:39 PM
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.

Prefab Sprout is one of the most underrated bands of all time.

Danzig's output outside of The Misfits isn't as good as The Misfits, but The Misfits stuff that Danzig recorded solo is the best Misfits.

Disclose is better than Discharge.
I back this, I wouldnít say New Order is superior to Joy Division but New Order is definitely talented.

Disclose is very much superior to Discharge.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: smellsdead on October 12, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
ive never jumped on the gbv, pavement, or replacements train.

they just dont do it for me
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 12, 2021, 05:58:27 PM
Ramones are very meh, I back that one hard!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on October 12, 2021, 07:47:06 PM
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.


I think the hard part with Joy Division is that they released all their best songs as singles, so their albums, which I like, aren't "great" when they could have been.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 13, 2021, 09:53:50 AM
 Glad to see the Clash hate in here. Although they got some good traxx, i would gladly have them not exist if it meant dumb shit they inspired also didn't exist. IE rancid, etc....i do actually really like mick jones though. i just maybe think joe strummer sucks. who was that guy on enjoi with the fedora? he prob wears that terrible fedora cause of strummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8zs898lr4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on October 13, 2021, 03:33:40 PM
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??

I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board

aight back to hot takes

I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 13, 2021, 04:40:23 PM
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??

I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board

aight back to hot takes

I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me

he def rips but fedoras...c'mon....unforgivable
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 13, 2021, 04:42:04 PM
Glad to see the Clash hate in here. Although they got some good traxx, i would gladly have them not exist if it meant dumb shit they inspired also didn't exist. IE rancid, etc....i do actually really like mick jones though. i just maybe think joe strummer sucks. who was that guy on enjoi with the fedora? he prob wears that terrible fedora cause of strummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8zs898lr4
this song was made for you!
https://youtu.be/1JZd3TaRLxs
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 13, 2021, 04:42:12 PM
I've been listening to punk/ hardcore since... 1985 I think? or 1984? My unpopular opinions are:
-I don't like the Ramones. I've always not liked them. I know they influenced this and that, but they do exactly 0 for me. I even saw them in 1990 I think, because all my buds were so hyped, but I just stood there trying to count how many songs may be left.
-Also not that big on the Clash. There are some songs that I like, but just not into them overall and own 0.
-Not sure if this is a thing or not, but I've seen (online and in real life) that it is "cool" to say Ron Reyes is the best Black Flag singer. I think he was easily the worst. I do think Rollins was the best (Damaged), but the music changed a lot during his tenure. The 1982 demos with him singing are awesome. (also a big fan of Dez singing and Keith Morris too, but Ron I could not stand)
-PiL was a great band. Way more interesting than the Pistols were, although I was a fan.

Again, everyone's different and those are my opinions. I know my distaste of the Ramones has been deemed sacrilege, but what are you gonna do? If you don't like it, you don't like it. I've been in a lot of stupid arguments over the years for that one, usually with the :
"How can you not like the Ramones?"
"Easily" - me


I'm way more into the UK82 style (Exploited, GBH, Discharge, Broken Bones) and old Hardcore punk stuff (Minor Threat, Cro-Mags, old Agnostic Front, Sheer Terror, Circle Jerks, 7 Seconds, Adolescents, old Suicidal) and also the Accused, Septic Death, Napalm Death.. oh and Dystopia also! BUT also.. i love 80s music (Duran Duran, Alphaville, A-Ha, the Smiths etc) and 70s classic rock stuff (Marshall Tucker Band, Skynyrd etc) AND Beethoven as well. Also my favorite band of all time is probably Pink Floyd so there is that too.

what you think of this one?

gram parsons covered it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo50GpVWxBQ
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Post by: ok boomer on October 14, 2021, 07:17:01 AM
That's a good jam right there. Thanks for reminding of those G's.
Funny thing for me when I listen to 70's stuff is I almost automatically light a cig and wish I was still care free enough to smoke ganja and drink. I am assuming part of it, is it reminds me of my dad's style.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 14, 2021, 08:23:31 AM
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??

I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board

aight back to hot takes

I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me
bob dylan johnny cash and tom waits. they do nothing for me
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 14, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
Bob Dylan is probably the most overrated musician ever. He canít sing, his tunes are terrible, and every single one of them without exception is about 3 minutes longer than it needs to be. Heís definitely lucky he was ďof a certain time and placeĒ, because that shit is objectively terrible.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 14, 2021, 01:26:09 PM
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now itís time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.

All are better than the Descendents.

Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the ďbandĒ for you.

EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, letís have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, letís do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and Iíll show you a god damn liar.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on October 15, 2021, 07:07:07 AM
You donít like Bad Brains, Crass or Eyehategod but you listen to All?

I think you just have shitty taste in music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on October 15, 2021, 09:17:41 AM
hahahaha^

@HeavyAndExpensive just showed their cards and now everything they say holds no weight

can't talk shit on eyehategod and be backing ALL

alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 15, 2021, 10:04:40 AM
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now itís time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.

All are better than the Descendents.

Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the ďbandĒ for you.

EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, letís have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, letís do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and Iíll show you a god damn liar.


I think this is great. I love bad brains, but 100% get the 311 connection. I actually used to like 311 back in middle school. Honestly I think I just liked their logo, never truly loved the music. I found bad brains after I stopped listening to 311 and had to laugh like "311 stole their sound from bad brains, but the bad bad brains".

I personally think anything over 40 minutes is to long for an album. Anything over an hour can go fuck itself.

Also, I'm sure most people here will agree, but Pearl Jam fucking sucks with no redeeming qualities.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 15, 2021, 11:29:15 AM
Iím going to gnar anyone who critiques a band who put out at least a song this decade
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on October 15, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
i want to jump in on the bob dylan hating.

it's not that i hate the guy. but i for sure don't dig his music. what annoys me even more so are the bob dylan superfans that think he's like the best musician of all time. legit had several times people tell me bullshit like bob dylan actually invented rap, bob dylan actually invented this and wrote that, did you know this movie was inspired by this phrase allegedly said by bob dylan to some bum, bla bla bla. just total crap they pull out the air to legitimize their adoration. i get it, you love bob dylan. stop making up shit just to steamroll me into admitting any sort of respect for your opinion.

this goes for pretty much any type of obsessive superfan whatsoever, but there seem to be more bob dylan types out there than, say, david bowie obsessives.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on October 15, 2021, 12:53:58 PM
Bob Dylan is probably the most overrated musician ever. He canít sing, his tunes are terrible, and every single one of them without exception is about 3 minutes longer than it needs to be. Heís definitely lucky he was ďof a certain time and placeĒ, because that shit is objectively terrible.

Holy fuck finally. Dude sells himself as raw and authentic and sold out to any brand willing to give him money for crusty as placements. His singing is literally shaggy from scooby doo with unnecessary vocal cry to mask his nasal pitch. No wonder he was Steve Jobs favorite musician LOL
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on October 15, 2021, 01:01:47 PM
Following the Bob Dylan myth deconstruction, Patti smith is a gender swapped Bob Dylan, why the hell is she admired by so many puzzles me.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 15, 2021, 02:24:30 PM
hahahaha^

@HeavyAndExpensive just showed their cards and now everything they say holds no weight

can't talk shit on eyehategod and be backing ALL



EyeHateGod fucking sucks, I donít care. Shits terrible. For dudes that smell like sausages left in an ashtray with shitty facial hair.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 15, 2021, 02:27:31 PM
You donít like Bad Brains, Crass or Eyehategod but you listen to All?

I think you just have shitty taste in music.

Have fun listening to Cockney spoken word over terribly played music
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 15, 2021, 03:26:48 PM
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alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
woah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you donít like? Or you just hate them in general?
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I wonít kook you for being honest but Iím trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and thatís a pretty big call from him!

Crass is more of a concept, than an actual band you listen to for the music. Sure they werenít great musicians (and even theyíll admit that), but their output and overall influence on punk/ diy is second to none!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 15, 2021, 05:16:21 PM

Crass is more of a concept, than an actual band you listen to for the music. Sure they werenít great musicians (and even theyíll admit that), but their output and overall influence on punk/ diy is second to none!

Not to jump on you - but thatís my entire point on the the crass sucks thing. The whole point of music is to listen to it. If youíre band is better as a concept than it is as a listening experience then it sucks. I listen to music, not concepts. Also - I listen to tons of bands that canít play music. The Replacements, they couldnít play and sometimes weíre too drunk to play, but you know what, they knew what sounded good. Thereís a difference between say, the Ramones, who canít ďplay wellĒ but know how to write a song people will want to listen to, and what Crass does. Crass canít play well - 75% of those older, mostly 80s bands, couldnít but what they could do was play something they knew what sounded good or was appealing in whatever respect. Crass doesnít know what sounds good and they canít play. You can be short or you can be fat -  you canít be both.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 15, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
↑ then crass as a band isnít for you; the message always came before the music, they believed in the power of punk as a movement, not making catchy tunes for the masses. Personally I think they have some great songs, but again Iím listening to them as a complete package (artwork and all) and as an ideology.
I would also argue that they have the greatest influence over punk culture in terms of sounds, ideas, aesthetic, ethics etc. and no band will ever match what they contributed.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on October 15, 2021, 11:27:33 PM
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now itís time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.

All are better than the Descendents.

Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the ďbandĒ for you.

EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, letís have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, letís do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and Iíll show you a god damn liar.

Come on man 50% of All's songs sound exactly the same
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 16, 2021, 04:22:16 AM
What do you listen to when nobody is watching?  I guarantee itís not Crass. I feel like I take crazy pills when anybody pretends they like that cacophonous garbage. Theyíd rather be writing political manifestos than even attempt to write songs but we all pretend like we enjoy it cause ďtheyíre coolĒ and everyone forgets first and foremost theyíre supposed to be fcking band that you know, writes SONGS. The idea that they are special as a punk band because theyíre a package deal is laughable. Do you know how many punk bands managed to have a cool image without the terrible music? Itís like if they made Food Not Bombs a band, sounds great until you actually have to eat it

I mean, listen to this, itís fucking terrible!!!!!!!!

 https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4 (https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 16, 2021, 05:40:57 AM
What do you listen to when nobody is watching?  I guarantee itís not Crass. I feel like I take crazy pills when anybody pretends they like that cacophonous garbage. Theyíd rather be writing political manifestos than even attempt to write songs but we all pretend like we enjoy it cause ďtheyíre coolĒ and everyone forgets first and foremost theyíre supposed to be fcking band that you know, writes SONGS. The idea that they are special as a punk band because theyíre a package deal is laughable. Do you know how many punk bands managed to have a cool image without the terrible music? Itís like if they made Food Not Bombs a band, sounds great until you actually have to eat it

I mean, listen to this, itís fucking terrible!!!!!!!!

 https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4 (https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4)

I donít listen to all the songs. From any band.
But Best Before 84 sees action on my turntable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: slappies on October 16, 2021, 06:43:31 AM
I think the Descendents are easily one of the most overrated bands in punk/hardcore. Their first album is fine if not just for the nostalgia of the time when I first heard it. Beyond that I find them mostly horrible. They have the odd song here and there I won't ask to be turned off, but it feels like a broken clock situation. So much of it is pure incelcore and when I hear dudes over the age of like, 18, going on about how much "I'm The One" means to them it makes me skin crawl. Every single time I talk shit about this band people get up in a froth telling me how wrong I am.

ALL is terrible all around.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on October 16, 2021, 07:27:16 AM
I think the Descendents are easily one of the most overrated bands in punk/hardcore. Their first album is fine if not just for the nostalgia of the time when I first heard it. Beyond that I find them mostly horrible. They have the odd song here and there I won't ask to be turned off, but it feels like a broken clock situation. So much of it is pure incelcore and when I hear dudes over the age of like, 18, going on about how much "I'm The One" means to them it makes me skin crawl. Every single time I talk shit about this band people get up in a froth telling me how wrong I am.

ALL is terrible all around.

Oh man, Incelcore is a good one.  I once heard The Decendents described as ďnice guys finish last-coreĒ.  That first album isnít bad but the lyrics are so corny I canít do it. 

Crass rules, although I totally understand why people donít like it.  Itís super inept and Steve ignorantís voice can be super grating.  Personally I think musically it rulesÖ I love the military style drumming and spastic noisy guitar.  My favorite stuff is Penis Envy and anything Eve Libertine sings, but I like it all.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 16, 2021, 07:43:22 AM
All/ descendents is great when youíre pent up and in high school with relationship problems. Lyrics are pretty creepy if look at them as an adult though. Having said that, most of those songs were written when those guys were teenagers or in the their early 20s so of course it will get cringey. Hell, Iím thankful nothing I thought/ said during those years is recorded for the rest of the world to hear well beyond my grave. Those dudes were total outcasts too, even within the punk scene so in context and with some nostalgia-coloured glasses on I still get the appeal.

Much like propagandhi, you either hate or love Crass, maybe even more so. They blew my mind and opened me up to so many new ideas, so Iíll always have a soft spot for them even if Iím not blasting them on the daily! That military drumming is so central to their music, but they were also super experimental.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 16, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Iím going to gnar anyone who critiques a band who put out at least a song this decade

King gizzard, while I think they're a decent band, is one of the most gimmicky bands of the past decade. Not every album needs a half baked theme.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on October 16, 2021, 09:20:09 PM
I do still like Crass, but I like Zounds better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7kLsDK19WM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 17, 2021, 01:16:31 AM
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King gizzard, while I think they're a decent band, is one of the most gimmicky bands of the past decade. Not every album needs a half baked theme.

Lots of people say id love them based on my love of spiritualized. But itís a hard no for me forever based on the name alone. Never even listened to a track just based on that fucking ridiculously stupid name. Can you imagine saying with a straight face to someone ďIím just really into king gizzard and the lizard wizard?Ē
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 17, 2021, 10:56:02 AM
This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/a33/a1b/ff252c077aab7eaa9980c702142ae3abff-wojak-00.w710.jpg)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 17, 2021, 08:50:43 PM
lmao. nine inch nails is cringe. idk back in my younger days trent reznor was highly respected by many but in retrospect he just seems like some burberry erry type of shit from that era
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on October 18, 2021, 09:52:45 AM
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alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
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woah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you donít like? Or you just hate them in general?
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I wonít kook you for being honest but Iím trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and thatís a pretty big call from him!

Admittedly I did like a few songs off their first album in high school and I could probably listen those songs if they came on but, I am not going out of my way to listen to them

and for me personally Bill Stevenson is not someone I would consider an authority on music...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on October 18, 2021, 08:38:07 PM
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alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
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woah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you donít like? Or you just hate them in general?
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I wonít kook you for being honest but Iím trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and thatís a pretty big call from him!
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Admittedly I did like a few songs off their first album in high school and I could probably listen those songs if they came on but, I am not going out of my way to listen to them

and for me personally Bill Stevenson is not someone I would consider an authority on music...

i love propagandhi, but absolutely we should not be taking advice from the guy responsible for iím the one
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 18, 2021, 10:23:48 PM
Iím just saying that from black flag to present heís seen a shit tonne of bands come and go through the punk scene.
Hell, how many bands do their recordings at the blasting room? At this point you think a band like propagandhi wouldnít even register on his radar with all the shit he has to wade throughÖ

@Huell Howser they've definitely changed up their style from the old days, peep ďsupporting casteĒ and if you still canít stand them after listening to that then yeah, theyíll probably never win you back.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 19, 2021, 06:57:17 AM
having gotten into many smoke session debates over this hot take, i thought i would bring it on slap.

i personally, 100% believe, Oasis was a better band than The Beatles.

I really am opposed to whole the reasoning that one of the "first" to do it is the best. yes there is a myriad of things the Beatles were inspired by and ripped off, but general music culture seems to refer to them as the original and often "best" British rock band, so whenever i bring up my take, people get all up and arms about it.

I just think Oasis took the simplicity of and beauty of Beatles songwriting and put in a blender with some of the great British bands since; the working class ethos and intensity of bands like the Sex Pistols and Clash, rock star hooliganism of The Who, and the aesthetics of bands like The Smiths and Stone Roses.

Hell, they even made a Beatles song BETTER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOctB63XMA&ab_channel=LuisGijon21

I do however acknowledge after the third album, Oasis' discography blows.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 19, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on October 19, 2021, 08:12:56 AM
I don't get much of the grunge sound. Dinosaur jr and nirvana just seem lazy and not very good. Cannot stand kurts voice as it spawned the horrible trend of everyone trying vedder it up.

This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/a33/a1b/ff252c077aab7eaa9980c702142ae3abff-wojak-00.w710.jpg)

You're not wrong. I definitely was a little sad boy "no one gets me" dork in high school but i just love their music

I personally think Eminem is overrated. A lot of people live to put him in the GOAT conversation, but my perception is colored by how every dork "i hate rap music, but Eminem is the best to ever do it" attitude that so many low key racist white people love to trot out.

I'm also not into some of the current crop of "in rappers" like all the supreme set who love peep and XXX. But there's definitely good stuff coming out in the rap game like Denzel curry, Vince staples, Tyler the creator, jpegmafia and slowthai (although some of those acts have been around at least a decade already)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ok boomer on October 19, 2021, 08:20:08 AM
This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/a33/a1b/ff252c077aab7eaa9980c702142ae3abff-wojak-00.w710.jpg)

Hahahaha. Good call.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 19, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.

Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 19, 2021, 10:51:21 AM
Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music.

Makes perfect sense. Respect.

This is my favorite thread. 

Also, if you haven't already, check out some of the new music Anton posted on his youtube channel. Last year he put up like two albums worth of new tracks which he said were works in progress. To my ears, they sounded good enough to put out as an albums. I'd listen to them while working and almost every time I'd find a song that made me pick up the guitar and learn it on the spot. He's the best at making the simplest things sound so good.

He's got a new one now that looks to be his possible picks for a new album.

https://www.youtube.com/user/antonfjordson
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 19, 2021, 11:05:59 AM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I donít care who is Ēconsidered the bestĒ especially over different time periods, and I donít claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 19, 2021, 11:09:08 AM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I donít care who is Ēconsidered the bestĒ especially over different time periods, and I donít claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.


I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 19, 2021, 12:04:32 PM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I donít care who is Ēconsidered the bestĒ especially over different time periods, and I donít claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.
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I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?
I donít see your point, this was not a question of who progressed most favorably but rather of overall greatness. So if 3 out of 10 years were spent wanking about with sitars that negates driving people out of their minds with the live performances?

Sorry, Iím derailing the conversation and this is not fun or interesting, carry on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 19, 2021, 12:18:38 PM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I donít care who is Ēconsidered the bestĒ especially over different time periods, and I donít claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.
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I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?
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I donít see your point, this was not a question of who progressed most favorably but rather of overall greatness. So if 3 out of 10 years were spent wanking about with sitars that negates driving people out of their minds with the live performances?

I think the general consensus of the Beatles' later years being so adventurous was because it showed how far they progressed from being a travelling pop band singing "I Want To Hold Your Hand" to becoming pretty much exclusively a studio band. In terms of comparing influential discographies, I feel like it stands to reason that one would mostly focus on the later years given the trajectory of their career.




Edit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 19, 2021, 04:20:56 PM
George Harrison playing chalk on a street by himself is way more interesting than watching him play in front of thousands of people screaming their heads off any day of the weeek



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coz0TmK2ZIg
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 19, 2021, 09:10:05 PM
Edit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.

100%, I love this. Wouldn't have posted this take if I expected overwhelming agreement. I enjoy telling people this take, especially if they're Beatles fans, cause lots of different people like The Beatles for a wealth of different reasons, so I find it fascinating to hear all the various justifications of their side.

Like I said, I think the only one I can't get behind is the "they did it first, there would be no Beatles without Oasis". This is true, Oasis' direct nods (and blatant rips) to The Beatles aside, The Beatles influence on rock music as a whole is arguably one of the most wide spread in Western music. But, I believe bands have taken the formula and improved upon it in the same way no would argue the Model T is the best car ever. (I also realize "best" in music is ultimately a fruitless debate when it gets to semantics). In a hardcore sense, I think Madball is one of the best, most important and influential bands in hardcore, but I'd take Trapped Under Ice's discography over theirs any day.

They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

But in regards to this, I think my argument that I appreciate Oasis' priority to be a live act stems more from the craftsmanship and execution to it. The swagger, the massive guitar tones, Liam borderline blowing his voice out, I think they are a supreme live act and they barely make any movements, they're just that good. Basically I think that this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZK7uLEx6is&ab_channel=ezemaster89

is waaaaaay cooler than this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTsB-llTzyc&ab_channel=HDBeatles

but again, thats just my opinion! loving the discussion fellas
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 19, 2021, 10:51:56 PM
I always thought the Oasis was lame so in terms of that comparison you probably have a better perspective. They were popular during a time when my view of music was still very black and white (mostly black) so I probably didn't give them a fair chance, but they are somewhere in the vicinity of Coldplay on my mind, a band that apparently a lot of people like, enough so that they would likely be called influencial, but to me is just whiny garbage on the radio.

But solid argumentation all around, appreciate it.

With the Beatles there is of course the immense myth building aspect, the level of detail with which each day of their career as now been analyzed and it's difficult to say how well the music would have stood the test of time on it's own. On the weekend I heard a show on the radio where a guy was talking for like 2 hours about a record from Fairport Convention and while I only heard bits of that it seemed to me like there was enough story there to carry a 6 episode miniseries too, and I've never even heard of the band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 20, 2021, 08:56:06 AM
I always thought the Oasis was lame so in terms of that comparison you probably have a better perspective. They were popular during a time when my view of music was still very black and white (mostly black) so I probably didn't give them a fair chance, but they are somewhere in the vicinity of Coldplay on my mind, a band that apparently a lot of people like, enough so that they would likely be called influencial, but to me is just whiny garbage on the radio.

I think the Coldplay comparison is very interesting and a fair one to make. Personally, as a whole I also dislike Coldplay, as to me its lukewarm, uninteresting radio pop. There are a few tracks from early in their discography that hold sentimental value to me cause I liked them on the radio when I was 10, but otherwise pretty shit band imo.

But I like the comparison for discussion cause I think Oasis was the last "true" massive rock band. With grunge taking over in America in the 90's and the 2000's subsequently making nu-metal and the more alt-rock bands like The Strokes, Franz Ferdinand, or even early era-Coldplay in that regard the biggest acts in guitar music, I think an argument could be made that Oasis was the last traditional rock band in music culture.

Since then, thinking of all the largely "successful" guitar bands, they're either Top 40 major label pop acts like Maroon 5, nu-metal acts that have somehow made 20+ year careers out of their bands like Slipknot, or indie/alternative bands that receive so much music press praise that they become cultural staples, like The Black Keys or Arctic Monkeys.

I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
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Post by: Frank on October 20, 2021, 09:06:34 AM
i like oasis and i like when other bands sometimes sound a bit like oasis, like fucked up or narrow head.
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Post by: charge on October 20, 2021, 09:13:11 AM
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Edit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.
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100%, I love this. Wouldn't have posted this take if I expected overwhelming agreement. I enjoy telling people this take, especially if they're Beatles fans, cause lots of different people like The Beatles for a wealth of different reasons, so I find it fascinating to hear all the various justifications of their side.

Like I said, I think the only one I can't get behind is the "they did it first, there would be no Beatles without Oasis". This is true, Oasis' direct nods (and blatant rips) to The Beatles aside, The Beatles influence on rock music as a whole is arguably one of the most wide spread in Western music. But, I believe bands have taken the formula and improved upon it in the same way no would argue the Model T is the best car ever. (I also realize "best" in music is ultimately a fruitless debate when it gets to semantics). In a hardcore sense, I think Madball is one of the best, most important and influential bands in hardcore, but I'd take Trapped Under Ice's discography over theirs any day.

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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.
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But in regards to this, I think my argument that I appreciate Oasis' priority to be a live act stems more from the craftsmanship and execution to it. The swagger, the massive guitar tones, Liam borderline blowing his voice out, I think they are a supreme live act and they barely make any movements, they're just that good. Basically I think that this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZK7uLEx6is&ab_channel=ezemaster89

is waaaaaay cooler than this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTsB-llTzyc&ab_channel=HDBeatles

but again, thats just my opinion! loving the discussion fellas

I mean i kinda get your point, but Oasis did have the luxury of modern sound systems and big time guitar boost pedals to get that huge sound. also millions of dollars to throw at production costs. You ever see that Ron Howard documentary where they talk about the Beatles first tour (probably where that footage of Help came from) and they kinda show you what it was like to be there? They explain that most people were hearing the Beatles live but they were hearing it through those old school baseball stadium bullhorn type PA speakers. It sounded like absolute garbage and people still lost their minds. To me, that says something. Without the luxury of even stage monitors (let alone decent speakers for the size of the audience they were playing to) and those guys played pretty perfectly almost every show throughout their touring years.
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Post by: charge on October 20, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Also hi DaleSr hope all this coldplay talk is validating you
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Post by: Huell Howser on October 20, 2021, 09:17:02 AM
joining in to say I also have grown to love Oasis over the last 5 years. Growing up I always thought they were terrible dad rock and wrote them off

Years later after getting into bands like Primal Scream, Stone Roses, Spiritualized, and other brit rock bands -  I back tracked and gave them another chance. Ended up clicking and now listen to them on the regular. Also Liam's 'rock star' sense of self is hilarious

I enjoy them more than I do The Beatles but I can't say that they are a "better" band. Not a huge Beatles fan at all but I can't deny what they've done for music

also I am down with some later Oasis as well lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seXqDXAeV2A&ab_channel=JesSawyer
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Post by: burm on October 20, 2021, 10:53:57 AM
I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think itís kind of apples and oranges. ĒRockĒ in general means Ēradio musicĒ in the 2000s so Iím not big into that genre but I donít think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ĒalternativeĒ enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?
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Post by: burm on October 20, 2021, 11:01:31 AM
No, wait, is U2 the right answer?

Lol, itís like my collegue at work one day when we were talking about proofing pizza dough ĒI can tell Iím approaching middle age when suddenly Iím faced with a problem where Tupperware is the answerÖĒ
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Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 20, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
DudeÖOasis, really?
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Post by: JB on October 20, 2021, 03:31:37 PM
DudeÖOasis, really?

Lol!

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I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
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If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think itís kind of apples and oranges. ĒRockĒ in general means Ēradio musicĒ in the 2000s so Iím not big into that genre but I donít think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ĒalternativeĒ enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?

I think most of what's been mentioned would count. Maybe throw the strokes in there. I don't think rock has really been culturally relivant since the early 00's though, and the strokes were kinda the band to be back then.

Obviously there's no shortage of great rock bands if you just look. What's everyones pick for whos the best now?
I'm a huge stan, but I don't think anyone touches John Dwyer/Thee Oh Sees when it comes to rock n roll. I think he's easily the most consistent, covers a wide variety of sounds and style, and puts on a kick ass show. He's put out like 30 albums in the past 20 years, and there are less than a handful that I don't enjoy (OCS stuff and the early freak folk albums).
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Post by: Hinna on October 20, 2021, 04:22:03 PM
in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
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Post by: charge on October 20, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.
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Post by: Hinna on October 20, 2021, 04:45:26 PM
idk a couple of their older songs were ok
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Post by: Dwyck on October 20, 2021, 08:04:58 PM
Janglepop did not need to come back
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Post by: DaleSr on October 20, 2021, 09:17:31 PM
Also hi DaleSr hope all this coldplay talk is validating you

I feel seen.

I definitely think that Coldplay is a good comparison as well, and they also illustrate the larger shift in popular music trends through their discography. I personally will contend that Coldplay has a lot of good songs, but i haven't been really invested in any of their music since they dropped ghost stories in '14. That album also is where Coldplay made the shift from brit rock/pop to electro pop/edm illustrating the larger shift in pop music away from rock acts to edm or superstar acts like Beyonce, Taylor, Billie Eilish, etc...

First Coldplay album

Parachutes

Reflective of the brit pop music landscape of the time w/ acts like blur and Travis. Lots of acoustic guitar/singer songwriter tracks like don't panic, trouble, high speed and everything is not lost. Breaks out into the mainstream with runaway pop hits yellow and shiver. Very bright anthemic singles

Second album

A Rush of Blood to the Head

Radiohead is the biggest thing in the English alternative scene. Coldplay makes a serious and somber second album. The scientist is another hit and everyone is crying watching the very sad backwards music video. In my opinion, their best work is on this album : green eyes, God put a smile upon your face, clocks, warning sign and in my place are all outstanding. A top to bottom excellent album.

X&Y

This is the big one. The album with songs in Apple commercials (the midas touch of the time). Everyone is staying in their toxic relationship because their love has been healed by fix you. Another top to bottom great album with hits like speed of sound, talk and fix you but also hidden gems like the hardest part and til kingdom come on the back half of the album

Viva la Vida

Kanye west declared his love for Chris Martin and his falsetto by giving him the hook on his track homecoming. Rappers now desire the Chris Martin collab, evidenced by Jay z appearing on lost! on one of the bonus tracks. Frank ocean will later cover and add a little spice in a reworked version of strawberry swing on his first project Nostalgia Ultra. Coldplay wanted to rule the world and they had. Chris Martin is wearing epaulets and somewhere in North County San Diego, a young boy was thinking that he too could rock the jacket of a napoleonic colonel.

Mylo Xyloto

Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.

Ghost Stories

Coldplay released magic as a single to appeal to some of the old fans who hope for a more stripped down and nostalgic return to form. Unfortunately sky full of stars becomes a huge hit and Coldplay begins doing collabs with the chainsmokers. This is the last full Coldplay album I've listened to.

Since then they've dropped a few other albums but I've largely not paid attention.
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Post by: Easy Slider on October 21, 2021, 03:34:09 AM
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in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
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it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.

IĎd wear a Nirvana shirt over a U2 shirt any day. I remember being blown away by Smells Like Teen Spirit when it came out. Same with RATM debut, these albums were genre defining and I kinda felt I was witnessing history being made.
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Post by: skate_or_dingus on October 21, 2021, 05:56:05 AM
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DudeÖOasis, really?
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Lol!

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I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
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If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think itís kind of apples and oranges. ĒRockĒ in general means Ēradio musicĒ in the 2000s so Iím not big into that genre but I donít think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ĒalternativeĒ enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?
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I think most of what's been mentioned would count. Maybe throw the strokes in there. I don't think rock has really been culturally relivant since the early 00's though, and the strokes were kinda the band to be back then.

Obviously there's no shortage of great rock bands if you just look. What's everyones pick for whos the best now?
I'm a huge stan, but I don't think anyone touches John Dwyer/Thee Oh Sees when it comes to rock n roll.
I think he's easily the most consistent, covers a wide variety of sounds and style, and puts on a kick ass show. He's put out like 30 albums in the past 20 years, and there are less than a handful that I don't enjoy (OCS stuff and the early freak folk albums).

 Dwyer was my IMMEDIATE thought. The consistency is astounding and the guy exhausts more energy in a five minute span while playing than I do in a month of skating.
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Post by: cucktard on October 21, 2021, 06:16:38 AM
Ok, my hot take.

The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.

Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they weren’t scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.

And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent I’ll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesn’t change the previous observations for me.
 Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.

Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paul’s Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.

Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I can’t believe it’s not ghost-written.

And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.

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Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 21, 2021, 06:40:17 AM
Ok, my hot take.

The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.

Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they werenít scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.

And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent Iíll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesnít change the previous observations for me.
 Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.

Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paulís Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.

Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I canít believe itís not ghost-written.

And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.

Glad you brought this up, as I fucking hate the Beastie Boys. "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AW YEAAAAAAH!!" God their voices are like nails on a chalkboard.
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Post by: Prinzy on October 21, 2021, 07:37:20 AM
Mylo Xyloto

Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.

Dale, thank you for reminding me of this album. I remember it being one of the first albums I got on my new iPod Touch alongside El Camino by The Black Keys in 2011.

I will agree that Charlie Brown is indeed a banger. I really did forget this album existed.
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Post by: DaleSr on October 21, 2021, 09:02:55 AM
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Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.
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Dale, thank you for reminding me of this album. I remember it being one of the first albums I got on my new iPod Touch alongside El Camino by The Black Keys in 2011.

I will agree that Charlie Brown is indeed a banger. I really did forget this album existed.

It's got a really great chorus. We'll run wild. We'll be glowing in the dark.
Also you're making me feel old as fuck because that album was on heavy rotation when i moved to Portland right after high school and that was ten years ago
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Post by: JB on October 21, 2021, 11:57:49 AM
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Ok, my hot take.

The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.

Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they werenít scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.

And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent Iíll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesnít change the previous observations for me.
 Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.

Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paulís Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.

Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I canít believe itís not ghost-written.

And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.
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Glad you brought this up, as I fucking hate the Beastie Boys. "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AW YEAAAAAAH!!" God their voices are like nails on a chalkboard.

I never got into Beastie Boys up until a few years ago. I'd heard License to Ill and Paul's, but never gave anything else a shot. When I found Check Your Head and Ill Communication, I played them both for like a week straight. I remember listening to those albums thinking "damn, they got a sick backing band for a lot of these tracks" not even knowing it's them playing. I think you've got a point that they're not the best rappers, but as a group I really think they deserve all the credit they get. They did their own thing the way they wanted to do it, and I admire that a lot.
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Post by: Prinzy on October 21, 2021, 01:07:12 PM
It's got a really great chorus. We'll run wild. We'll be glowing in the dark.
Also you're making me feel old as fuck because that album was on heavy rotation when i moved to Portland right after high school and that was ten years ago

I think I was roughly 11-12 at the time and listened to Charlie Brown and Paradise on repeat

I never got into Beastie Boys up until a few years ago. I'd heard License to Ill and Paul's, but never gave anything else a shot. When I found Check Your Head and Ill Communication, I played them both for like a week straight. I remember listening to those albums thinking "damn, they got a sick backing band for a lot of these tracks" not even knowing it's them playing. I think you've got a point that they're not the best rappers, but as a group I really think they deserve all the credit they get. They did their own thing the way they wanted to do it, and I admire that a lot.

hard agree, just dropping some heat to be admired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdJ5e70Q8mw&ab_channel=BeastieBoysVEVO
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Post by: DaleSr on October 21, 2021, 01:16:20 PM
Also i saw some u2 slander, I'm annoyed by their later projects as much as everyone else, but they absolutely didn't get huge for no reason. Sunday bloody Sunday, seconds, electric co, pride, where the streets have no name, i still haven't found what I'm looking for, New years day, 40, beautiful day, even bits off of how to dismantle the atomic bomb. They got some great tracks in their catalog. Their live version of electric co/boy on under a blood red sky is a fucking bop.
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 21, 2021, 02:00:05 PM
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.
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Post by: Prinzy on October 21, 2021, 03:18:11 PM
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.

Hard disagree but I have the utmost respect that hotness of this take
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 21, 2021, 08:09:38 PM
 CHeck your Head and Paulís boutique are classics, maybe they werenít the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!
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Post by: Hinna on October 22, 2021, 09:34:14 AM
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in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
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it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.
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IĎd wear a Nirvana shirt over a U2 shirt any day. I remember being blown away by Smells Like Teen Spirit when it came out. Same with RATM debut, these albums were genre defining and I kinda felt I was witnessing history being made.
the last band shirt i had was sp and although theyre pretty good idk im kinda over wearing band shirts now. def wouldnt wear a u2 shirt though lmao
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Post by: charge on October 22, 2021, 11:08:39 AM
CHeck your Head and Paulís boutique are classics, maybe they werenít the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!

how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo
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Post by: Easy Slider on October 22, 2021, 11:57:16 AM
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CHeck your Head and Paulís boutique are classics, maybe they werenít the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!
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how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo

Loved it.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 22, 2021, 03:12:58 PM
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CHeck your Head and Paulís boutique are classics, maybe they werenít the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!
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how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo
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Loved it.
yes, loved it but I think they fall short if you judge them as a one genre band; thatís why check your head (and Ill Communication) rules so hard, itís like a perfect 90s mix tape!
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Post by: urbneathme on October 24, 2021, 06:55:28 AM
fuck it, iím throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. theyíre also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didnít say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i canít think of another band thatís done that since the beatles.
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Post by: Sleazy on October 24, 2021, 07:10:31 AM
i like seeing the love for nirvana and beasties in here, wasn't expecting that. i always liked nirvana but was more in the group that was listening to bleach and a bit disappointed with nevermind but then stoked on ineutero and mtv unplug. been watching a lot of documentary's on them and whole lately and i really dug this one about how they broke in britain way before in the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5LPeXuZMVo

this might not be unpopular but libertines should have gotten way more shine for up the bracket.
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Post by: cucktard on October 24, 2021, 07:22:00 AM
fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.

Actually I think that praise should be heaped upon the Pixies. When I first heard Nirvana, I was bewitched by how they seemingly played a pop song backwards or sideways and somehow came out with something amazing. I thought it was genius (and it was), but it wouldn’t have been possible without the band they obviously took a lot from, The Pixies.

Here I found music so pure, that the only singing that could possibly fit it were nonsense words that were growled, screamed, stuttered in bad Spanish, and crooned.

The Pixies  music for me, and are more important to me than the Beatles. And I didn’t even like them the first few listens, it took me a while for them to grow in me. But they did.
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Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 24, 2021, 09:32:29 AM
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.

I think their best song is Executionerís Tax. That song fucking rules
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Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 24, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
Not really an unpopular opinion, but I donít know where else to post this. This guy I work with occasionally, hates the song Abracadabra by Steve Miller Band. Personally I think itís a pretty non offensive classic rock tune but I get it. But since he seems to bring it up way more than what should be acceptable, whenever heís working with us I pretend to organically play Abracadabra loudly and act surprised when he explains for the 400th time that he canít stand the song. If Iím feeling really spicy Iíll play the Sugar Ray cover and act especially ignorant when he expresses his disdain