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Title: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 24, 2020, 08:26:15 AM
thread to post your unpopular opinion pertaining to music


rancid sucks and it’s only saving grace is lars frederickson which balances out tim’s terrible voice (op ivy still slaps but that may be due to jesse)

okay your turn dude

I’m sorry for yelling
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 09:44:02 AM
While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.



I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: blurst_of_times on December 24, 2020, 09:47:59 AM
While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.




I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
Totally agree with this
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
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While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.




I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
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Totally agree with this


I’ve had this conversation with a lot of people and almost every time I can think of at least a couple bands or albums that they’ll say they like.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 24, 2020, 10:00:28 AM
While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.



I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.

you touch on a lot in this post, but for now, i'll go even further out on this particular limb, and admit that this is my favorite Ramone's song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlMhDfHsfDI

man, ska to me is actually a pretty complex designation, but i am just about 50, so the whole Two-Tone era is probably the most defining era to me...love all of the performances from the film Dance Craze, like these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzwPO9NtF4w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qh63nu1OQ

edit: i always figure people got critical of ska, because of what happened to it in the 1990s (i think)...like, aren't bands like No Doubt supposed to be doing some kind of ska shtick?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 10:03:41 AM
Bonzo’s a great song. A good example of their later work.
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Post by: Brguy on December 24, 2020, 10:49:02 AM
Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.
Most riffs in the Dio era are really dumbed down.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sluggloaph on December 24, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
I don't think tupac is the best rapper.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 24, 2020, 03:21:17 PM
I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 24, 2020, 03:30:05 PM
I hate modern hip hop and it being the mainstream popular music.

 I miss the day’s of people busting shots at each other over some real beef not this corny ass weak as fuck TSwift vs. Kanye bs put some danger back in to gangster rap.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 03:38:13 PM
I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.


I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 24, 2020, 04:54:05 PM
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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 24, 2020, 05:59:12 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: skate_or_dingus on December 24, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
- Phil Collins has written some top-tier pop songs.
- Artists/projects like Oneohtrix Point Never and Dean Blunt are the future of popular music.
- Lydia Lunch is a smug, insufferable asshole whose ego overshadows her artistic input/output.
- Easy listening Stereolab is better than krautrock Stereolab.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 08:24:29 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo


man, Streetlight are one of the tightest live bands I've ever seen. Even some of my friends who otherwise don't like any variant of ska like Streetlight. It's almost undeniable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 25, 2020, 07:06:45 AM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
I like rockabilly too, it's too bad it gets labeled kooky for the wrong characters whom dress like dipshits especially the extreme pompadours and whatnot.

I'm going to disagree with Tiger Army though, I will offer a few bands instead Link Wray,  Robert Gordon, The Cramp's as you most certainly know,  Donny Martindale, Cruisers.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 25, 2020, 07:44:55 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.

Speaking of propagandhi: they are my favorite band in the world (and have been since 95-ish) but I don't really rank a lot of the songs on today empires (even though I love Todd and ISPY)

I also don't think slayer is that great and yet I love thrash...

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 25, 2020, 08:31:08 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.

Speaking of propagandhi: they are my favorite band in the world (and have been since 95-ish) but I don't really rank a lot of the songs on today empires (even though I love Todd and ISPY)

I also don't think slayer is that great and yet I love thrash...
Punk in Drublic was a damn fine album I was merely saying when you think of NOFX it’s El Hefe involvement that really congealed their lineup.

Oh god Propagandhi my exbest friend was such a huge advocate for that band.  I did listen to them for a long time, especially that HTCE and Less Talk More Rock was definitely in the queue for me.

Funny story about that HTCE so I’ve been working 3 day’s straight and I’ve got the rest of the week off my flatmates decided to have a day drinking party. Which I didn’t put up much of a fight as I was tired

  I needed sleep and wasn’t feeling it at all, so I’m finally getting that good sleep where you’re feeling better than that stupid cheap trick song comes on now mind you we’ve got a shitload of record’s to listen to from any genre and sub genres butttt instead of listening to a multitude of music it’s that one album, finally in a huff of anger and frustration I walk in to the living room and grab the record and frisbee that shit outside like splash in to the man made pond, wtf is wrong with you guy’s?! Of all the bands THIS ONE ALBUM?! Now none of us can listen to it!

I went back to sleep and they continued to party which was fine but holy shit! Try some variety and for the love of god don’t burn a record for other’s by playing that same fucking side over and over and over for fucks sake.

Hmmmm you’re not fan of Slayer eh? They’re a good example of what I was saying beforehand their first 3 albums were rad I believe it was South of Heaven that wasn’t thrash Show no mercy, Hell Awaits, Reign in Blood were respectable albums. Anything afterwards was mehhh.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on December 25, 2020, 08:39:13 AM
White Trash and Punk in Drublic are peak NoFX in my book. That does not mean they did not have good stuff before or after.

Regarding the "3 first album = best" theory, there are many good examples for this, Cypress Hill comes to mind immediately.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 25, 2020, 09:35:51 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: GardenSkater77 on December 25, 2020, 09:56:18 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies

You are like my friends’ older brothers who had DRI posters on their wall and I thought—why does everyone like a band That MTV doesn’t even play.

I never liked Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Anthrax or Megadeath. Never spoke to me. I was definitely an odd ball.

Always preferred early punk for the rawness. To this day I don’t think I listen to any punk recorded post 1983.

I’m basically only interested in the creation of a music style. After the style is created and begins to be refined I feel it is time to move on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 25, 2020, 09:57:13 AM
Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIgRQP4Fa-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0Wejod4fs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cifo77azntk
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Post by: Easy Slider on December 25, 2020, 10:08:08 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies

Lights Camera Revolution - and if it's only for You Can't Bring Me Down.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on December 25, 2020, 10:15:46 AM
Sex Pistols are way overrated.

Black metal is shit, 90% of the songs consist of the same power chord progression and drums. There are some good bands but the vast majority is just bad.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 25, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Suicidal Tendencies were always garbage never liked them always reminded me of DRI meatheads in high school that liked punk shows for trying to go to shows just to pick fights. Fuck that shit and that mentality.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on December 25, 2020, 08:00:55 PM
The Growlers are terrible and I never understood the beach-goth craze.
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Post by: ChuckRamone on December 25, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
Weezer's Green album is pretty good. Fleetwood Mac is awful. Elliott Smith's stuff after XO is not quite as good as it and the stuff before it (I don't know if this is controversial but most skate videos use songs from his post-XO material). I think "rock 'n' roll" describes a very specific style of music that is basically 12-bar blues played faster; anything that doesn't fit that criterion, such as most Beatles' songs, is "rock," a different genre of music. The 90s really were the golden age of hip-hop (maybe also not that controversial but could be seen as an old-fashioned take).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 26, 2020, 07:31:10 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.



Yeah, this and Bad Religion’s Suffer made NOFX a much better band. Ribbed is basically BR worship lol.





Also, I think Andrew WK’s second album is his best one.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 26, 2020, 07:51:42 AM
Shannon and the Clams.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 26, 2020, 08:39:21 AM
Shannon and the Clams.
You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable......  They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.
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Post by: LordManHammer on December 26, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
The 90s really were the golden age of hip-hop (maybe also not that controversial but could be seen as an old-fashioned take).
This right here is what I'm talking about the self aware boom bap hiphop was the best and the pinnacle of the genre there's so much good rap that wasn't on anyone's radar during that time even afterwards.  I'd say 2000's here's a good example Lost Children of Babylon Immortal Technique come to mind and I miss rap/hiphop that had a real message and rad storytelling that put you in their world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibHd0zBJ6ig
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 26, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
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rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.
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Yeah, this and Bad Religion’s Suffer made NOFX a much better band. Ribbed is basically BR worship lol.





Also, I think Andrew WK’s second album is his best one.


That’s actually true about Suffer making NOFX a better band. I think Mike talks about it in their book which I highly recommend. Some golden stories in that!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 26, 2020, 05:27:14 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Post by: Glue Reed on December 26, 2020, 06:53:49 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html

Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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Post by: LordManHammer on December 26, 2020, 07:10:11 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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Post by: Glue Reed on December 26, 2020, 07:30:07 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?

Yeah those Tales from the Vinyl Wasteland’s are great... twisted stuff.  If you dig those check out Wavy Gravy Vol 1 and 2, and Bent, Batty and ‘Bnoxious!.

I just bought those Nasty comps individually cause I had heard they were good... I used to be a wild, crazy rockabilly obsessive (never into the “scene”) and would buy tons of comps.  Most of the time there’s one or two wild tracks and the rest are crap, so to have some that are solid all the way through are a treat!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 26, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
[close]
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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Yeah those Tales from the Vinyl Wasteland’s are great... twisted stuff.  If you dig those check out Wavy Gravy Vol 1 and 2, and Bent, Batty and ‘Bnoxious!.

I just bought those Nasty comps individually cause I had heard they were good... I used to be a wild, crazy rockabilly obsessive (never into the “scene”) and would buy tons of comps.  Most of the time there’s one or two wild tracks and the rest are crap, so to have some that are solid all the way through are a treat!
Yeah my local record shop is a hippie owner who kinda sucks,  I usually go on discogs and scour through used or something cheap to get.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 27, 2020, 01:01:49 AM
cool thread

my favorite nofx record is so long and thanks for all the shoes, because it was my first. i haven't listened to nofx in ages though. they're sick though.

my unpopular opinion:

drive like jehu is still underrated. yank crime is a fucking classic for the ages. the s/t is great as well, easily a 9/10.

the newer darkthrone records where they sound kind of punked up rule. i am not even into black metal really except a few songs, but i can listen to those records in one sitting and think they are pretty sick. i can see how metal and punk purists alike hate them tho.

deftones seem to be a love it or hate it band nowadays but i think they aged alright. they achieved at least that tons of new bands nowadays seem to try to sound like them, without ever getting it really right(except varials-romance/the love machine, but that was basically some camouflaged cover track).

the whole gothy dance/ebm resurgence thing is super sick. i don't care for electronic much, but i love cabaret nocturne, boy harsher, kontravoid, etc... it's not so dark so you get depressed, but is still sinister enough to not become corny. i'm not immersed in that scene so sorry if i used wrong terminology. if you watched the glue vid, you know what i mean. i'll leave the kontravoid video here, because it's a good visual represantation of the clashing vibes that form something wholesome. also, i want to ride a jetski on a lake in canada, too. if i ever do coke, it will be to music like this, and i will probably do stupid shit that kills me by accident.

i think i won't do cocaine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exD-oGci-9M&list=RDexD-oGci-9M&start_radio=1

EDIT: not sure, maybe some of those opinions are actually agreeable and popular and i don't know it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 27, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
cool thread

my favorite nofx record is so long and thanks for all the shoes, because it was my first. i haven't listened to nofx in ages though. they're sick though.

my unpopular opinion:

drive like jehu is still underrated. yank crime is a fucking classic for the ages. the s/t is great as well, easily a 9/10.

the newer darkthrone records where they sound kind of Crusty punked up rule. i am not even into black metal really except a few songs, but i can listen to those records in one sitting and think they are pretty sick. i can see how metal and punk purists alike hate them tho.

deftones seem to be a love it or hate it band nowadays but i think they aged alright. they achieved at least that tons of new bands nowadays seem to try to sound like them, without ever getting it really right(except varials-romance/the love machine, but that was basically some camouflaged cover track).

the whole gothy dance/ebm resurgence thing is super sick. i don't care for electronic much, but i love cabaret nocturne, boy harsher, kontravoid, etc... it's not so dark so you get depressed, but is still sinister enough to not become corny. i'm not immersed in that scene so sorry if i used wrong terminology. if you watched the glue vid, you know what i mean. i'll leave the kontravoid video here, because it's a good visual represantation of the clashing vibes that form something wholesome. also, i want to ride a jetski on a lake in canada, too. if i ever do coke, it will be to music like this, and i will probably do stupid shit that kills me by accident.

i think i won't do cocaine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exD-oGci-9M&list=RDexD-oGci-9M&start_radio=1

EDIT: not sure, maybe some of those opinions are actually agreeable and popular and i don't know it
The unholy trinity of Darkthrone Blaze in the northern sky, Transylvanian hunger, Under a funeral Moon are damn fine albums for there sporadic and unrelenting  assault for Black Metal they've  earned my respect for doing multigenres from death metal in the beginning to true kvlt BM to crusty dbeat punkish metal they can and will do it all I think Cult is Alive is my favorite of the later works Fenriz and Ted has done, absolutely madmen when it comes to playing music.

EDM and the gothy darkwave I wasn't really sure tillI gave it a good listen and I have to say I'm a fan from Cobraman for partytype of elctrofunk 80's pop to Boyharsher Light Asylum and Lebanon Hanover really I like stuff that challenges my dancing ability, Yes I've been known to bust a move at a spot or after landing something sick instead of the corny Appleyard flex.


Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on December 28, 2020, 02:08:42 AM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?

DUDE! Sanford Cark is awesome! im surprised to see his name pop up in here, you dont hear him discussed enough.

Country as a whole gets a terrible rep but there is some great tunes if you look past the rhinestoned pop country surface

this dude is killing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YivNpUXHw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 02:38:44 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Larry on December 28, 2020, 02:57:37 AM
punk is just short for pre-post-punk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on December 28, 2020, 03:18:45 AM
I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on December 28, 2020, 03:20:16 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.

I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 05:16:45 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
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I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!


WHEN I WANT SOMETHING DONE I’ll DO IT MYSELF

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE


Gkr I wish we could high jack every thread and make it about our dated takes on hardcore and it’s subgenres.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on December 28, 2020, 05:20:29 AM
I didn‘t even know powerviolence had a popular phase. I always thought it had reached its peak with Infest‘s Break The Chains. Also wish I had kept my Infest Break The Chains hoodie.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on December 28, 2020, 06:45:12 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
[close]

I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!

[close]

WHEN I WANT SOMETHING DONE I’ll DO IT MYSELF

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE


Gkr I wish we could high jack every thread and make it about our dated takes on hardcore and it’s subgenres.

Hell yeah dude <3
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 28, 2020, 06:49:31 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.

10. Grief is better than dystopia.
agree with all of this, although i still like ceremony up until zoo, which wasn't great, but ok imo.

nerve agents are so sick, very underrated band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 28, 2020, 07:00:00 AM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
[close]
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
[close]

Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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DUDE! Sanford Cark is awesome! im surprised to see his name pop up in here, you dont hear him discussed enough.

Country as a whole gets a terrible rep but there is some great tunes if you look past the rhinestoned pop country surface

this dude is killing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YivNpUXHw
Country really does get a bad rep when you think of the dipshits who rep it albeit racist garbage but some of the toughest outlaws were of that 50's country western/rockabilly Elvis Jerry Lewis ripoffs.  I've found some of the best stuff at donation bins and other YT channels.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 28, 2020, 07:50:39 AM
I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.

blasphemy

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 28, 2020, 08:47:14 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia was and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 09:08:35 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 28, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
[close]

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
[close]

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
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Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.

That avatar is from the musings of a smoking man right? That’s probably my favorite episode of the show.

The disrupt/noothgrush was not a comparison, it was which band I liked more based strictly of what the members of grief and dystopia were in, not sonically at all.

I can totally understand how confusing that was with no preface and my apologies!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 28, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
[close]
Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
[close]

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
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Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.
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That avatar is from the musings of a smoking man right? That’s probably my favorite episode of the show.

The disrupt/noothgrush was not a comparison, it was which band I liked more based strictly of what the members of grief and dystopia were in, not sonically at all.

I can totally understand how confusing that was with no preface and my apologies!
See this where text really doesn’t give context to sarcasm I was busting your chops a bit, yeah I can see your opinions on hardcore sound compared to the sludge doom sound. In my opinion there’s a lot of good bands from that era and timeline got to see Dropdead and His Hero is Gone at the Providence venue The Living Room so sick to see those bands in their prime.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: keepthefunkalive on December 28, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
I am over the vast majority of all the punk I used to listen to except Minor Threat

Metal is lame

Burt Bacharach is dope

Run the Jewels are overrated



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 03:11:14 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 03:30:25 AM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 29, 2020, 03:44:31 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.

Backed your take on death, even with that documentary they are criminally underrated and overlooked. They created a genre in a vacuum, essentially. There’s no reason they’re not held in higher regard than iggy or mc5.

Slam metal is boring as fuck and anal cunt is awful, the only worthwhile thing Seth Putnam ever did was being in siege for like a year.

Mac demarco is spaget wearing a dad hat.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 04:04:04 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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Backed your take on death, even with that documentary they are criminally underrated and overlooked. They created a genre in a vacuum, essentially. There’s no reason they’re not held in higher regard than iggy or mc5.

Slam metal is boring as fuck and anal cunt is awful, the only worthwhile thing Seth Putnam ever did was being in siege for like a year.

Mac demarco is spaget wearing a dad hat.
I know anal cunt is awful but it’s like they don’t make music, they make a wall of ignorant din. It’s a child-like tantrum mixed with inside jokes on record. And I love it. Somehow I made it to the top .01 percentile of Death and AC listeners on Spotify which is bad new for anyone that lets me play music in the car. Lol
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Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 04:10:46 AM
og death(the black punk band) is great.

these guys are super sick, too, and no one seems to know them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdMcH9mb2Hk

i like some mac de marco songs, but overall it's super boring to me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 06:08:14 AM
Lemmy did a song with Pure Hell. Very sick

https://youtu.be/Rcjf8tZMFOI
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Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 29, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
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Shannon and the Clams.
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You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable......  They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.

I like most of what they put out and their live shows have an amazing, fun enery. I think this is the only show I have ever been to where I was dancing and did not feel self concious at all.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 29, 2020, 07:57:07 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 08:03:58 AM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too


J Mascis is straight edge lol
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 29, 2020, 08:17:11 AM
i'm not sure where this falls in on the opinion barometer, but early to mid-90s "independent-label" music was one of the best periods for music in the past 50 years--so many splendid labels like Simple Machines, early Sub-Pop, K Records, Touch and Go, Slumberland, Quarterstick, etc....i know that this all was kind of reduced into a shitty genre known as "indie," but there was so much creativity in the early 1990s and it was one of the best times to go to shows in my near 50 years...

i could go on and on but, here's just a small handful of favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_NKtGTstVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKAwNOhZabM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRyGZJzEuI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMJT1U4n9Zk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALVbPqIYSZ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7NwEwdfww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKYWpExqrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbI6O6OKFqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDX6K9bd0tw
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Post by: Willie on December 29, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.

“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 29, 2020, 09:24:15 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 02:26:30 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........

song names anal cunt would use could be its own thread
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 02:54:11 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 29, 2020, 02:59:34 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.

This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 03:00:23 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.


Apparently so.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on December 29, 2020, 03:29:22 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.

(https://i.imgur.com/iyhGHDD.gif)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.

hehe

i saw dinosaur jr live a few years ago, and it seemed like they played good, but the sound at the venue was atrocious and they became increasingly bummed as the set went on. also some weird support band that wasn't bad on its own but didn't fit dinosaur jr at all. some sort of art pop or something. no guitars.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on December 29, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........
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song names anal cunt would use could be its own thread
Totally let's do this.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=114688.0
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Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
aha I see what you did there!
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Post by: Grind King Rims on December 30, 2020, 12:50:11 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
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aha I see what you did there!

I saw it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO3fiKvRTxk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Croquet temper on January 01, 2021, 05:32:05 AM
The Mars Volta’s De-Loused In The Comatorium is a unique slam dunk of a masterpiece and easily one of the best albums of the 2000’s.

Boards Of Canada’s last album, Tomorrow’s Harvest sucks absolute balls. Completely dull and flavorless.

Radiohead debuts a lot of songs live that have a much better arrangement than the album version. Videotape being one of the biggest examples.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Glue Reed on January 01, 2021, 07:34:05 AM
in regards to a few of the things I've read here:

Correct on Suicidal Tendencies... they've basically managed a 40 year career due to their image.  From what I've read, that's all due to Glenn E Friedman, who was their original manager, telling them to ditch their socal hardcore look and go for Venice cholo.  They owe him big if that's true.

Repulsion is hands down the greatest American metal band (Slayer is close).  I remember hearing them for the first time and it blew my mind... exactly what I love about metal mixed with exactly what is awesome about hardcore (without being a crossover band).  If I had a time machine this would be one of my stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s)

That being said, all that American Thrash from the 80's has dated very, very poorly.  Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" and Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" are pretty much the only thing that holds up, the rest is so boring and unenergetic. I was in Ameoba once and they were playing Metallica 'Justice for All' (my favorite tape when I was a kid) and what sluggish, boring-ass album.   It sounds like a whole album full of the slow breakdown parts of songs without any of the energetic fast parts.  D.R.I. should've called it quits after the Dirty Rotten EP.  Slayer is the only band who still sounds good (up to Seasons).

Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.

All that NYHC and Youthcrew stuff (and "90's hardcore") absolutely sucks.  Seems like there's been a resurgence in the last few years too.  I'd say just about everything from the Cro-Mags on... I do like Sheer Terror and Judge, but the rest of that stuff is jockish and horrible.  The earliest NY hardcore bands (Nihilistics, Urban Youth, Heart Attack, Reagan Youth) were light years better.  I can dig Agnostic Front's 'Victim in Pain' EP.

That's cool to see mid-period Ramones get some love on here, as those albums are great and never get mentioned... but there's NO WAY they're better than the first 2 Ramones albums.  There's nothing better than those albums.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 01, 2021, 08:43:43 AM
in regards to a few of the things I've read here:

Correct on Suicidal Tendencies... they've basically managed a 40 year career due to their image.  From what I've read, that's all due to Glenn E Friedman, who was their original manager, telling them to ditch their socal hardcore look and go for Venice cholo.  They owe him big if that's true.

Repulsion is hands down the greatest American metal band (Slayer is close).  I remember hearing them for the first time and it blew my mind... exactly what I love about metal mixed with exactly what is awesome about hardcore (without being a crossover band).  If I had a time machine this would be one of my stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s)

That being said, all that American Thrash from the 80's has dated very, very poorly.  Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" and Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" are pretty much the only thing that holds up, the rest is so boring and unenergetic. I was in Ameoba once and they were playing Metallica 'Justice for All' (my favorite tape when I was a kid) and what sluggish, boring-ass album.   It sounds like a whole album full of the slow breakdown parts of songs without any of the energetic fast parts.  D.R.I. should've called it quits after the Dirty Rotten EP.  Slayer is the only band who still sounds good (up to Seasons).

Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.

All that NYHC and Youthcrew stuff (and "90's hardcore") absolutely sucks.  Seems like there's been a resurgence in the last few years too.  I'd say just about everything from the Cro-Mags on... I do like Sheer Terror and Judge, but the rest of that stuff is jockish and horrible.  The earliest NY hardcore bands (Nihilistics, Urban Youth, Heart Attack, Reagan Youth) were light years better.  I can dig Agnostic Front's 'Victim in Pain' EP.

That's cool to see mid-period Ramones get some love on here, as those albums are great and never get mentioned... but there's NO WAY they're better than the first 2 Ramones albums.  There's nothing better than those albums.

In regards to Country Music historically being a lot more left-wing than people would expect, here's an interesting episode of my favorite podcast, Citations Needed on that topic. They're leftists news critics. Maybe you'd be interested.
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-119-how-the-right-shaped-pop-country-music

Thanks for posting that Repulsion set, I'm gonna dive into that when I have some time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5ZKjjxMNM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 01, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.




Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 01, 2021, 10:19:25 AM
Plastic Beach had like 5 banger bangers, but that album is 16 songs long and most of it is trash.
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Post by: IUTSM on January 01, 2021, 06:53:11 PM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.

One my good friends just got her xfilesx tattoo lasered last year. NBxHC
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Post by: urbneathme on January 01, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
songs of the free is the best gang of four album by a very wide margin.

98% of metal is hilariously bad and necessitates being enjoyed through an at least semi-ironic lense.

bonzo goes to bitburg is the best ramones song, shoutout that dude on page one.

how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.

elvis costello put out one of his best albums in 2018, which is insane.

the river would’ve been springsteen’s best record if he cut like 6 songs. also, nebraska should have had band recordings (i still really like nebraska)
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Post by: Youoverthere on January 02, 2021, 06:33:50 AM
Plastic Beach had like 5 banger bangers, but that album is 16 songs long and most of it is trash.
facts and after everyone waited so long
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: theSketchLord on January 02, 2021, 06:48:21 AM
I used to think Radiohead were shit but now I wonder if they're actually geniuses and I'm just too stupid to get it.
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Post by: Ilya Oblomov on January 03, 2021, 11:57:47 AM
I like The Midnight.

Time Cop 1983 and Miami Nights 1984 are super fun too.

Something about Carpenter Brut really gets my jazz hands going.
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Post by: ihatejulio on January 03, 2021, 02:17:35 PM
umm it IS pronounced dead mau five
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Post by: Youoverthere on January 03, 2021, 03:56:10 PM
umm it IS pronounced dead mao five
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Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 04, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
Fuck it, a couple more takes from me.

I love Nas, but his revisionist history of his 90’s drama is so lame. Open rumor is that he was very jealous that Ready to Die was more popular than Illmatic at the time to the point that he eventually changed his whole style up for It Was Written. He clearly bitched about it to Ghost and Rae during the OB4CL sessions (which is where the Shark Niggaz skit comes from). Biggie checked Nas hard on ‘Kick in the Door’ but of course died before the album came out, so that beef went nowhere. I see why Nas would downplay the friction years later, but to act like they were cool is such an annoying lie lol.

I don’t trust hip-hop opinions from people who like Brockhampton.

Although I don’t really agree with Quincy Jones’ take on rock vs r&b, his slaughter of Ringo Starr was hilarious. The fact that Ringo never responded tells me it must’ve been true.




Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: fredgallSOTY on January 04, 2021, 11:23:46 PM
radiohead sucks
the beatles suck
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
In Square Circle is one of Stevie Wonder's best records, and its dated-ness adds to its charm
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
jazz/gospel chords > blues chords
loveliescrushing aren't talked about enough in the history/pantheon of dream pop, noise, shoegaze
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.



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Post by: livin on a speyer on January 05, 2021, 01:49:36 AM
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blasphemy
Blasphemy is great!
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Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 05:25:54 AM
not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 05, 2021, 05:27:15 AM
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 05, 2021, 06:32:28 AM
not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ

Sorry for indulging but I have some thoughts:


As far as sound quality, I feel like most informed record collectors understand that the sound quality isn't strictly from the medium. Most avid collectors  such as myself have a great stereo/speakers that's responsible. That's why  most of us understand that a Crosley isn't gonna make anything sound good.  On that note I also think the analog vs digital argument is kind of a moot point. I don't know what "better" means among that peer group. I don't know what parameters they listened to their recorded samples nor who/how the samples were recorded and frankly have little interest in it. As far as engineers it's the archer, not the arrow. Peer studies would probably tell you Nirvana's Nevermind is a sonically better record than In Utero, but that doesn't make  it a "better" record.


Regarding the toxicity, his "study" is pretty flawed and means nothing without context. According to a source below vinyl manufacturing accounts for less than half of a percent of PVC production, and that doesn't even get into how much PVC you're exposed to on a daily basis otherwise. And he's flat out wrong about manufacturers refusing to explore  alternative measures to pressing. He clearly did his research with blinders on because there are studies available from before his video came out and I found this source with minimal effort. Wanting manufacturers in general to leave less of a carbon footprint is a reasonable desire but it is ultimately an exaggerated concern. 

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/dark-side-of-the-vinyl-are-records-bad-for-the-environment/#:~:text=Vintage%20vinyl%20is%20quite%20likely,new%20compounds%20have%20been%20devised.




That's not to say the complete opposite is true but I take issue with environmental arguments that split these kinda hairs. I have no doubt that the components of a physical record aren't good for you. The same is probably true for most things in your home, and dare I say most foods you buy at the store, or most pieces of tech  we carry around all day about 6 inches away from our ballsacks. I'll refrain from ingesting my record collection, but I honestly have little interest in that kinda micro doom speeches when there are vastly bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 05, 2021, 07:10:10 AM
radiohead sucks
the beatles suck
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
In Square Circle is one of Stevie Wonder's best records, and its dated-ness adds to its charm
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
jazz/gospel chords > blues chords
loveliescrushing aren't talked about enough in the history/pantheon of dream pop, noise, shoegaze
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.

Slept on Moodymann forever but yeah.

Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

Korn were/are (seen them as recently as 2019) a good band and when their self-titled album and Life is Peachy came out, there was nothing like them. People tend to be revisionists about liking them due to the evolution of nu metal or bullying by peers or whatever, but yeah...they were sick.
 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 05, 2021, 07:13:26 AM
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 08:40:08 AM
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not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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Sorry for indulging but I have some thoughts:


As far as sound quality, I feel like most informed record collectors understand that the sound quality isn't strictly from the medium. Most avid collectors  such as myself have a great stereo/speakers that's responsible. That's why  most of us understand that a Crosley isn't gonna make anything sound good.  On that note I also think the analog vs digital argument is kind of a moot point. I don't know what "better" means among that peer group. I don't know what parameters they listened to their recorded samples nor who/how the samples were recorded and frankly have little interest in it. As far as engineers it's the archer, not the arrow. Peer studies would probably tell you Nirvana's Nevermind is a sonically better record than In Utero, but that doesn't make  it a "better" record.


Regarding the toxicity, his "study" is pretty flawed and means nothing without context. According to a source below vinyl manufacturing accounts for less than half of a percent of PVC production, and that doesn't even get into how much PVC you're exposed to on a daily basis otherwise. And he's flat out wrong about manufacturers refusing to explore  alternative measures to pressing. He clearly did his research with blinders on because there are studies available from before his video came out and I found this source with minimal effort. Wanting manufacturers in general to leave less of a carbon footprint is a reasonable desire but it is ultimately an exaggerated concern. 

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/dark-side-of-the-vinyl-are-records-bad-for-the-environment/#:~:text=Vintage%20vinyl%20is%20quite%20likely,new%20compounds%20have%20been%20devised.




That's not to say the complete opposite is true but I take issue with environmental arguments that split these kinda hairs. I have no doubt that the components of a physical record aren't good for you. The same is probably true for most things in your home, and dare I say most foods you buy at the store, or most pieces of tech  we carry around all day about 6 inches away from our ballsacks. I'll refrain from ingesting my record collection, but I honestly have little interest in that kinda micro doom speeches when there are vastly bigger fish to fry.

fair enough.

i agree he omits the fact that the some vinyl presses are trying more eco-friendly ways to press records. i just straight up googled "is there a eco-friendly way to press vinyl?" and got several articles and manufacturers shown. it's still over all not an ecofriendly way to produce records, they have to be shipped, too, which is unnecessary nowadays when you can download it as well.

concerning the quality. i don't think he was saying digital sounds "better", that's of course subjective, pretty sure he is aware of that. most people that say vinyl sounds better attribute it to warmth and dynamic. the latter has nothing to do with the medium though, more with how contemporary music is recorded and mixed. still, vinyl is the inferior information carrier if we are talking about that information getting lost or scrambled. i'd say vinyl is legit for archival purposes, since you can store it a heck of a long time.

as for me personally, i was an ardent defender of vinyl vs other mediums for the longest time, but at some point my record player broke, and i started getting flac versions of some records i wanted to listen to, and with the same setup of amp and boxes, was shocked how much nicer and clearer most of it sounded to me. i felt like i was living in a bubble the whole time. sometimes i miss the crackles and buzzing, but to me, high quality audio files is where it's at nowadays.

i am not too concerned about the health aspect, for the same reasons you described. we are surrounded by plastics all day, it's kinda dumb to make a point about vinyl. then again, i myself try to get rid of or avoid plastic products whenever possible, so personally why would i stop with the vinyl? i love looking at the covers, reading through booklets, but there's nothing preventing me from printing that artwork in the same format if i want to look at it. the whole process of listening to a vinyl record is also unenjoyable to me nowadays.

i will most likely keep my records or at least my most favored ones and those that aren't available online, maybe upload those myself and i still plan on getting a decent player again at some point, but honestly i haven't missed it too much, and since then, i often look at my humble record collection sitting there, collecting dust, and think i don't need this really. i can't see myself going back to vinyl, even if they invent green alternatives, because it's just clunky to me. nowadays i'd rather buy my music on bandcamp, it's great when artists can put out there music with minimal overhead. any physical medium, wether be for music, film or videogames, seems like a waste to me tbh. it's a luxury/vanity item to me. nothing wrong with that if you enjoy it, but i'd like to minimize my footprint and i actually rather pay 12 bucks for a digital album than the same amount for an lp, because the artist probably keeps more from that digital purchase than from the physical release that had to be produced and shipped everywhere. at the same time, i know downloading and streaming uses up energy and hardware as well and isn't necessarily climate neutral.

so that's why i overall agree with him, even if i accept that he went a bit doomer, especially on the health aspect. i wouldn't tell anyone to throw aways their vinyl, or tell them that's garbage, but as i grow older and out of some cliched views i held as i was younger, mostly informed by what i thought what is cool or what isn't, i realized i probably fetishized vinyl, too, because it was simply cool and different, not necessarily better or smarter. it's part of punk and hip hop culture in a way and that's the main reason i wanted to use it. it shows off a lot better than a music folder on your computer and makes for better conversation pieces. people are way more impressed in social situations when you tell them that you own the velvet under ground & nico early pressing on vinyl than by you knowing that record in and out, cause they can't see or prove that and it takes no effort to listen to em, but to hunt that lp down and have the money to pay for it.

that is another part i dislike about vinyl culture, not everyone has the funds to maintain that setup, or even the space for it. it's like with tattoos. everyone acts like it's some underground culture thing, but it's actually a product you buy. there is no reason to be proud about owning that edition or have tattoos from a great artist, because everyone who pays can do that. it says nothing about a persons merit, but for most people i feel like vinyl and tattoos(i have tattoos myself) are about projecting some sort of sophistication and low key wealth status. why else would broke ass people sacrifice their funds for this? i know so many people that are too broke for everything and complain all the time about it, but get tattoos, records or tech stuff liberally. i love tattoos and wish i'd have gotten more while i was young enough to have reaped the coolness points, but it makes no sense to me to not eat for a month just to get one, or get one vinyl record with a booklet that i will read once and then never again when i can buy two digital records for the price and let the artist keep more money.

don't want to offend any vinyl(or tattoo) lover on here, both things are rad and if that's what makes one happy, i'm all for it. but the whole myth of vinyl being the superb medium for music is total bullshit imo. it's the same thing like using some old ass handgrinder for your coffee and tricking yourself into thinking it makes the coffee taste better, when in reality that cheap ass old handgrinder probably grinds like shit and gives you carpal tunnel and a cheap electric spice grinder might yield better results, but is not so nostalgic and nice to look at.

one thing though i dislike sometimes about digital formats is it triggers my tinnitus way more than vinyl, or analogue sources in general. mostly on youtube and sources as such though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on January 05, 2021, 10:19:16 AM
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.
there’s one track on the pink record (i think, idk it’s been years) but they are by far the second best musical act to come out of those members
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 05, 2021, 11:13:18 AM
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily

I don't know if I'd go that far, because similar to Plastic Beach, half of it is amazing and then the other half is trash, but I've listened to the slower melodramatic songs on that record an absolute shit tonne the past couple of years.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 05, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.

man, that self titled was really something special. One of my favorite records of the past decade. I like the two that came after but not so much Cody and Million Dollars. Barry's a nice guy though.


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not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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fair enough.



concerning the quality. i don't think he was saying digital sounds "better", that's of course subjective, pretty sure he is aware of that. most people that say vinyl sounds better attribute it to warmth and dynamic. the latter has nothing to do with the medium though, more with how contemporary music is recorded and mixed. still, vinyl is the inferior information carrier if we are talking about that information getting lost or scrambled. i'd say vinyl is legit for archival purposes, since you can store it a heck of a long time.

as for me personally, i was an ardent defender of vinyl vs other mediums for the longest time, but at some point my record player broke, and i started getting flac versions of some records i wanted to listen to, and with the same setup of amp and boxes, was shocked how much nicer and clearer most of it sounded to me. i felt like i was living in a bubble the whole time. sometimes i miss the crackles and buzzing, but to me, high quality audio files is where it's at nowadays.



 so that's why i overall agree with him, even if i accept that he went a bit doomer, especially on the health aspect. i wouldn't tell anyone to throw aways their vinyl, or tell them that's garbage, but as i grow older and out of some cliched views i held as i was younger, mostly informed by what i thought what is cool or what isn't, i realized i probably fetishized vinyl, too, because it was simply cool and different, not necessarily better or smarter. it's part of punk and hip hop culture in a way and that's the main reason i wanted to use it. it shows off a lot better than a music folder on your computer and makes for better conversation pieces. people are way more impressed in social situations when you tell them that you own the velvet under ground & nico early pressing on vinyl than by you knowing that record in and out, cause they can't see or prove that and it takes no effort to listen to em, but to hunt that lp down and have the money to pay for it.

that is another part i dislike about vinyl culture, not everyone has the funds to maintain that setup, or even the space for it. it's like with tattoos. everyone acts like it's some underground culture thing, but it's actually a product you buy. there is no reason to be proud about owning that edition or have tattoos from a great artist, because everyone who pays can do that. it says nothing about a persons merit, but for most people i feel like vinyl and tattoos(i have tattoos myself) are about projecting some sort of sophistication and low key wealth status. why else would broke ass people sacrifice their funds for this? i know so many people that are too broke for everything and complain all the time about it, but get tattoos, records or tech stuff liberally. i love tattoos and wish i'd have gotten more while i was young enough to have reaped the coolness points, but it makes no sense to me to not eat for a month just to get one, or get one vinyl record with a booklet that i will read once and then never again when i can buy two digital records for the price and let the artist keep more money.



All fair points. I don't think the guy who made that video is totally off the mark, but I think some of his points are more fluff than an actual argument. The whole "better" thing regarding digital/analogue is obviously subjective, but when he was bringing up the peer review study there are lots of obvious factors ignored that make that report mean nothing to me. I know bands that recorded digitally one album then analogue the next and the difference is pretty astronomical, but ultimately that more has to do with the engineer than the physical medium. I could be mistaken but most aficionados I know seem to understand that good sound quality with vinyl has more to do with the player than it just being on a record. I hear the "warmth" thing mostly from newbies who buy Crosley's, which at one point was me until the guy at my local record shop schooled me on players.




I think the tattoo analogy is funny and I don't disagree. I think it was Henry Rollins who said that collecting vinyl was the ultimate "sober guy" hobby which really resonates with me. Upon getting a decent paying job my lifestyle has remained almost the same except that I let loose in a record store when the opportunity presents itself. It's frivolous, but I'll always be a sucker for physical media and it'll always mean more to be to be able to hold albums that really left a lasting impression on my life. I still stream and buy digital music out of convenience and necessity. And I think it's a good thing to strive for production to be a little more green, but ultimately I think environmental discussions are better suited toward behemoth corporations destroying the earth than dorks like me sitting around spinning records across the room.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 01:18:02 PM
@pizzafliptofakie

i agree with a lot of this or at least can see that point of view. especially when it comes to the thing that it's more important to hold big corps responsible to go green on a large scale.

i personally don't get the thing about warmth either, i included it not because i think so or thought so, but it's something a lot of people say(organic sound is another thing i hear often, what even is that lol). maybe a good analogy would be a quantized beat vs an unquantized one that is built very precise tho. or something like that. either way, thanks for the input. made me reconsider the video a bit, even though i largely still agree that vinyl as a mass phenomenon is kinda dumb or played out. 

the dudes channel is still pretty cool though. i probably could find some more unpopular music opinions on there, haha. i find that interesting, even if the guy overdoes it a bit at times(see also recent behringer video, even though he's right that that company is scummy imo).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: keepthefunkalive on January 05, 2021, 03:38:38 PM
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.
I disregarded house and techno for a long time even though I've been listening to electronic music since the late 90's. Moodymann has some really really good tracks. Wish I would have listened to some friends recommendations a long time ago, but it's nice to find a new catalog of tunes to go through. Legend status for the heads for sure.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 07, 2021, 04:21:07 AM
Gotta preface this by saying I love geto boys and I love bushwick bill(rip), but here’s my take.

Bushwick was clearly the weakest member of the geto boys, look no further than the track Chuckie. But after using him for the cover of we can’t be stopped he became irreplaceable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 07, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Gotta preface this by saying I love geto boys and I love bushwick bill(rip), but here’s my take.

Bushwick was clearly the weakest member of the geto boys, look no further than the track Chuckie. But after using him for the cover of we can’t be stopped he became irreplaceable.
Absolutely agree with this sentiment right here sure Bushwick Bill was definitely a better hype man than flavor flav and street cred.


Scarface was the most versatile man in that group, sure Willie D had a great solo album and entrepreneurship with his YouTube channel.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sluggloaph on January 07, 2021, 09:33:48 AM
Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.
Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get  bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Space Cowboy on January 07, 2021, 12:20:07 PM
Don't know if anyone has said this in this thread but the first half of the song for Kostons part is painfully bad
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 07, 2021, 01:54:24 PM
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Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.
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Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get  bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.

Thinking Homework is better than Discovery is an unpopular opinion. Anyway, Alive 2007 is where the Homework tracks really got their time to shine and it might be their best album.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 11, 2021, 03:11:26 AM
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 12, 2021, 11:20:49 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Look I'm not going to front and say I didn't clown on them/secretly liked them when they were around and yea I did own quite a few albums and shirts for the most part.

 I lived in rural ass backwards Alabama/Tennessee before the internet we had to source out a band through word of mouth and album covers. I mean sure you had tried and true bands Slayer Metallica or Iron Maiden but as far as new music that was left up to chance or recommendation which could be hit or miss depending the person's taste.

Now back to the Nu-Metal thing it was definitely revolutionary for what it was regardless of someone liking it, no other subgenre was going to touch it like a leaky bag of dogshit it was admonished.

With heavy reluctance the kooky fans kinda almost ruined it for me because those that like nu-metal also could be meathead beat your ass types which is always fun till hatebreed and all those cop type of hardcore found its own lane.   

In the end music it is all subjective some bands are pleasing and poignant in it's timeline and ones own life and some are heavily slept on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 12, 2021, 11:24:17 AM
Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 12, 2021, 11:31:12 AM
Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........

I feel like that’s not a hot take it’s just having functioning hearing.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 12, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
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Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........
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I feel like that’s not a hot take it’s just having functioning hearing.
Tell that to my jazz bassist friend who practically sucks Fleas dick...... Dude is on some other level kook when it comes to music tastes.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 12, 2021, 02:44:36 PM
Here’s my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: friendly dave on January 12, 2021, 03:50:48 PM
Here’s my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.

What Alan Lomax did to capture those historical songs is amazing.

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on January 13, 2021, 12:26:34 AM

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 13, 2021, 11:17:42 AM
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Here’s my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.
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What Alan Lomax did to capture those historical songs is amazing.

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.

Cry yourself to ashhhhhhhhhhhh


For what it's worth, I've listened to like 2 Sunn O))) records and enjoyed them both, but never really stuck with them.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 13, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
one of the greatest albums of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FRFcE-jsQo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 13, 2021, 05:22:33 PM
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Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
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I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.
If you're in to music and heavy riffs you'll like it IMO...... I'm a bass player and I've found that weird semblance of playing around with pedals and going to weird places in music and drums.

Sun(o))) for me is the doom psychedelic heaviness that a few might like.......

Sun(0)) is the new Neurosis, & Tool is the Walmart discount version of Neurosis.

https://youtu.be/MowMNgVhrso
My old band sucked....
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 13, 2021, 09:00:39 PM
how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.
I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.
Also when did you start listening to them, that will heavily affect your opinion of them. HTCE was my first album of theirs and while everyone likes to say "they transformed into this huge progressive thrash band", even during my first listen (and with my very limited understanding of music) I was like, "these punks like Metallica".

I also adore John K Samson as a song writer too so perhaps I'm biased? My fav album is the split 10" with ISPY because I get John-era propganadhi and I also get to hear Todd's songs. Having said that, and if I'm being honest with myself, Failed States probably comes in at number 2 or 3 for me. Supporting Caste is solid though and I think in years to come we'll also need a beaver-era of the band too when comparing their collective work because he really brought a lot to the band! Have you heard his instrumental band Giant Sons? Awesome shit!

but yeah, musically of course their earlier work is going to sound shitty (I even owned their demo tapes) and there is a tonne of fans who think supporting caste is right up there.

the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...

ThE Sex Pistols wEre so PUNX!!

yeah, oh really? I know nothing about punk music how fascinating ... oh look there is some paint drying on a wall, bye!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 14, 2021, 12:58:06 AM
^it's been posted on here before, i think even in this thread, but has to be repeated

public image ltd>sex pistols

by far
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 14, 2021, 05:24:12 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?

i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 14, 2021, 06:07:38 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
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i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
Have we met before?

That Marilyn Manson comparison is fairly accurate anything before beautiful people was decent.

Tool to me wasn't my cup of tea however [NiN]  is great for nongenre interludes for a vid.
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Post by: burm on January 14, 2021, 06:09:02 AM
I bought Marilyn Manson's newest cd AND the t-shirt. Also just received notice that the frame I ordered for the poster of his painting that came with it is at the post office. I wasn't too much into the last 1-3 albums, but it's safe to say I'm a fan. I feel he's like Lady Gaga in the sense that people just see the meat dress and think "that awkward weirdo is trying too hard to shock me" where as the person inside is not even trying to play at their game
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Post by: Frank on January 14, 2021, 06:39:09 AM
wasn't and still not a fan of most nu metal bands like korn at all. but i like ministry, nin and marilyn manson a lot.

i still like some nu metal songs from back then though. like this one is a banger and the video is great. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51DEzX0lLY4

static x was kind of cool as well.

i was more into the stuff that blended into post hardcore territory, like deftones, glassjaw, will haven(debatable if the last two are nu metal at all tbf) or far. i'll go out of my way and claim that alien ant farm were also not that bad if you looked further than the smooth criminal cover. people are more annoyed by the grimacing frontman than the music i feel.
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 14, 2021, 07:18:41 AM
I bought Marilyn Manson's newest cd AND the t-shirt. Also just received notice that the frame I ordered for the poster of his painting that came with it is at the post office. I wasn't too much into the last 1-3 albums, but it's safe to say I'm a fan. I feel he's like Lady Gaga in the sense that people just see the meat dress and think "that awkward weirdo is trying too hard to shock me" where as the person inside is not even trying to play at their game
I like spooky kids part of his career whenever he became a solo artist it was mehhhh.
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Post by: livin on a speyer on January 14, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Rap is boomer music.
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 14, 2021, 08:45:59 PM
While the music isn't good and the fanbase is cringey, a few of ICP's albums entertained me for a good bit when I was a kid and I don't regret it.
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Post by: urbneathme on January 14, 2021, 09:34:41 PM
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how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.
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I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.
Also when did you start listening to them, that will heavily affect your opinion of them. HTCE was my first album of theirs and while everyone likes to say "they transformed into this huge progressive thrash band", even during my first listen (and with my very limited understanding of music) I was like, "these punks like Metallica".

I also adore John K Samson as a song writer too so perhaps I'm biased? My fav album is the split 10" with ISPY because I get John-era propganadhi and I also get to hear Todd's songs. Having said that, and if I'm being honest with myself, Failed States probably comes in at number 2 or 3 for me. Supporting Caste is solid though and I think in years to come we'll also need a beaver-era of the band too when comparing their collective work because he really brought a lot to the band! Have you heard his instrumental band Giant Sons? Awesome shit!

but yeah, musically of course their earlier work is going to sound shitty (I even owned their demo tapes) and there is a tonne of fans who think supporting caste is right up there.

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the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
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if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...

ThE Sex Pistols wEre so PUNX!!

yeah, oh really? I know nothing about punk music how fascinating ... oh look there is some paint drying on a wall, bye!
i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).
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Post by: burm on January 15, 2021, 02:23:29 AM
While the music isn't good and the fanbase is cringey, a few of ICP's albums entertained me for a good bit when I was a kid and I don't regret it.
I co-sign this  :-[
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 15, 2021, 04:09:00 AM
When I drink by myself I listen to alot of shitty country music.  I grew up extremely rural and don't miss it at all, but it's kinda calming to be reminded of home.  Also, the Dixie Chicks slap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqgr7R4zUMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVTNjdFlYM
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Post by: Sleazy on January 15, 2021, 04:45:46 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
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i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
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Have we met before?

That Marilyn Manson comparison is fairly accurate anything before beautiful people was decent.

Tool to me wasn't my cup of tea however [NiN]  is great for nongenre interludes for a vid.

probably haven't met unless you live in austin or houston.

for NIN i feel they still release great stuff. i'm a shameless fanboy though. my screen name on peloton is nineinchales

here's a recent track that i think is really cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSnPVqAjtRU
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 16, 2021, 02:05:55 AM
When I drink by myself I listen to alot of shitty country music.  I grew up extremely rural and don't miss it at all, but it's kinda calming to be reminded of home.  Also, the Dixie Chicks slap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqgr7R4zUMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVTNjdFlYM

fuck yeah.
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Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 16, 2021, 07:58:17 AM
"songs about jane" is a fantastic pop album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3YoJVSxJFk
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 17, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
I must be so high that I don’t recognize the fire burning in your eyes and the chaos that controls my mind.
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Post by: McDuff on January 18, 2021, 06:12:20 AM
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 18, 2021, 08:34:59 AM
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff

I agree with this - ive always thought of the sex pistols being the punk equivalent of a lager tops - its sick when your dad gives you one when your 12 but its far from the real thing
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 18, 2021, 09:22:47 AM
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 18, 2021, 08:24:27 PM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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I agree with this - ive always thought of the sex pistols being the punk equivalent of a lager tops - its sick when your dad gives you one when your 12 but its far from the real thing
that's a good way to describe the pistols actually! fine if they are a gateway drug for you into punk, but die hard fans that think they are the epitome of the genre are pretty damn sad!!

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i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).
I'm glad you like John despite coming in at TETA, people who got into the band later are usually like, "who is this wimpy kermit the frog sounding fucker?" but I always loved the balance he brought the band and the weakerthans are easily one of my fav bands ever. I'm surprised that truPUNX would even like HTCE, it was pretty "poppy" if you're comparing to regular punk, and a lot of the lyrics are basically shitting on the punk scene, guess the message got lost in the music huh? probably the type of people that yell PLAY SKA SUCKS!!! in 2021...

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Maroon 5 are definitely a great band, or should I say they aren't that shitty in the scheme of pop music!!
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Post by: bob george on January 18, 2021, 10:11:38 PM
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
It's true!
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Post by: burm on January 18, 2021, 11:33:12 PM
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The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
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It's true!
I fucked with Damnation and a Day, Nymphetamine and Thornography A LOT as well. Thornography must be my favorite album, so groovy and shit. It's one of those bands where even as a fan I find myself thinking at times if they would actually be better with another singer or not. Like, Dani Filth is a lot to handle and especially lately he seems all over the place and throwing those raptor squeals every where he can, but without him would they be anything?
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 19, 2021, 06:23:04 AM
Changes and FX are both excellent Sabbath songs.


I think they work well in the context of the full album. I think it's kinda neat to have a weird noisy interlude that immediately follows such a pretty piano song before it takes you back to a more signature song of theirs.
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 20, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Post by: McDuff on January 20, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 20, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.

The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.
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Post by: Coastal Fever on January 20, 2021, 02:47:19 PM
Fuckin love this song.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PIh2xe4jnpk
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Post by: McDuff on January 21, 2021, 01:53:39 AM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.

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The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
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Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.

I feel you. I think artists should have an ego to some degree, his is off the meat obv... but I like that about him. Calling himself a genius etc. different strokes. I know he’s a bit too much for some people in his views, but ignorance is bliss (in my case).
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Post by: matty_c on January 21, 2021, 09:18:32 AM
I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
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Post by: Grind King Rims on January 21, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
Yeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 21, 2021, 04:10:38 PM
this is a great song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP4qdefD2To
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Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 21, 2021, 07:42:29 PM
hell yes it is ^^^
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Post by: matty_c on January 21, 2021, 09:43:04 PM
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I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
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Yeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.


Holy shit they’re related?? Damn canadians eh
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 22, 2021, 07:31:40 AM
I love both bands but I think the Boston strangler is better than the rival mob. Hard to admit that but there, I said it.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 22, 2021, 09:26:59 PM
Amanda Palmer can be cringey as fuck but the Dresden Dolls are amazing.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 23, 2021, 12:43:32 AM
people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians

**updated opinion - I didn't realize he was gay. that actually is badass for a country musician and I can understand his appeal a bit more but I still don't enjoy the music
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 23, 2021, 02:22:21 AM
people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians

100% i cannot get into that dude
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Post by: Frank on January 23, 2021, 05:09:34 AM
hell yes it is ^^^

i was into the goo goo dolls when i was 11 years or so haha. i bought this and the jed album and it's a pretty good early pop punk album.

this instrumental track is still killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCpYwpTXgGk&list=PLStJ3c0X6dFG3s_JO2iGfTp2wiaykk_zt&index=4
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Post by: brycickle on January 23, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
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people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians
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100% i cannot get into that dude
Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.
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Post by: Dwyck on January 23, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling
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Post by: Glue Reed on January 23, 2021, 01:19:36 PM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules. 
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 23, 2021, 01:20:53 PM
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100% i cannot get into that dude
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Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.

HAHA! exactly
(but Ghosts first album was sick)
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Post by: Grind King Rims on January 23, 2021, 01:44:05 PM
As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling

Can you give examples?
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Post by: bob george on January 23, 2021, 04:45:59 PM
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 23, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

You speak the truth. I liked the Sex Pistols back when I first heard them as a kid, then when I moved onto other punk/hardcore etc. I took the stance that they sucked because I was too cool(stupid). That album is so great even outside of 77 punk/protopunk etc. - its almost just a rock n roll album


on that note Johnny Rotten being a Trump guy was weird/hilarious to watch lol. Not as twacked out as duane peters but in the same vein
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Post by: IUTSM on January 23, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.

to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on January 23, 2021, 09:57:22 PM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 24, 2021, 03:54:42 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 24, 2021, 07:43:16 AM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

oi! i think i started the Sex Pistols conversation on the first page, when i simply stated:

Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

and i absolutely believe it is, but this being said, i too like the Sex Pistols, and the album mentioned...i literally was still playing with Star Wars figures and shit when some older punks in my family gave me a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and got a kick out of the fact that i would be playing Star Wars to "Bodies"

so Never Mind the Bollocks came out in 1977...i know it wasn't released until the late 1990s, but how fucking mindblowing is it that Bad Brains' Black Dots recordings happened not even two years later in 1979?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYWYeDvgX6k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8MdUAeeNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwb8UPLLj8

Black Dots is one of my all-time favorite albums from anyone, and my favorite Bad Brains album...honestly, as far as power, speed, and intensity this does make the Sex Pistols seem like a boy band, (edit:) although i know that the Bad Brains were influenced by them...

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 24, 2021, 11:07:12 AM

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
nah b
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IUTSM on January 24, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

What I said about calling a song a poem and taking away from what it is to write a song means that to write a song, a good song, is a totally different process where accompanying music needs to be considered while also taking into consideration lyrical devices, word meaning, history, figures of speech etc. And that's why Dylan has written timeless song. When making a poem it's about the maker and no one else. You gotta ask, is this poem finished when it's done being written on paper? is it finished when someone else reads it? is it finished when I, the maker, read it aloud to effect listeners as it moves through the brain/body/collective/liminal spaces? I'm someone that writes and reads (makes) poems and someone that can't write songs because I don't understand music. the moving parts of a poem exist within the maker, whereas with a song there are more external factors to consider, parts outside control.

With only a handful of exceptions, Dylan wrote his own lyric and the accompanying music, tracks whatever you want to call it- he writes total songs. Dude's been putting original music out since 1961. Whether you like him or not, there's no credence to the argument. But that's your unpopular opinion ;)



oi! i think i started the Sex Pistols conversation on the first page, when i simply stated:

Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

and i absolutely believe it is, but this being said, i too like the Sex Pistols, and the album mentioned...i literally was still playing with Star Wars figures and shit when some older punks in my family gave me a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and got a kick out of the fact that i would be playing Star Wars to "Bodies"

so Never Mind the Bollocks came out in 1977...i know it wasn't released until the late 1990s, but how fucking mindblowing is it that Bad Brains' Black Dots recordings happened not even two years later in 1979?


Black Dots is one of my all-time favorite albums from anyone, and my favorite Bad Brains album...honestly, as far as power, speed, and intensity this does make the Sex Pistols seem like a boy band, (edit:) although i know that the Bad Brains were influenced by them...



Sex Pistol did some shit that was pretty mind-blowing to the uninitiated, I think that's why we all liked them when we were 12. Sid was the OG edge lord with his swazi armbands and shit. NMTB was great until I heard bands like the Dead Kennedys or even the Misfits.

And you're right about Black Dots, it's a powerful record. Red Bone in the City is a sick track kinda playing off the Pistols
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on January 24, 2021, 03:10:04 PM
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Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
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nah b

yeah b. one of the worst bands of all time :) hehe
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on January 24, 2021, 06:24:54 PM
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As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling
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Can you give examples?

https://youtu.be/usu0XY4QNB0

https://youtu.be/xf3eAb4l38Y

Literally every NY drill song sounds the exact same. It's insane how influential Pop Smoke was in such a short amount of time with incorporating UK's sound into the US.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 24, 2021, 09:04:47 PM
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Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
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nah b
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yeah b. one of the worst bands of all time :) hehe
I back this........... Radiohead is garbage.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on January 25, 2021, 03:16:00 AM
Man I liked them but I reckon thom yourke’s head went up his own arsehole years ago
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: McDuff on January 25, 2021, 06:52:05 AM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

Thanks for this. I love that album so much, And only just watched “24 hour party people”... so great how the one show influenced a scene. I’ll never brush them off. Tbh, only mentioned the boy band thing to get ahead of any blowback. This is slap, and I’m too lazy to argue.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 25, 2021, 07:10:39 AM
Man I liked them but I reckon thom yourke’s head went up his own arsehole years ago


it's hard for me to have a fair opinion of Radiohead when I hear some of the praise they get for things that aren't particularly original or complex. I saw this long video essay about the song Videotape and why its syncopated rhythm makes Thom mess it up. Which sure, in terms of pop music syncopation is relatively interesting, but it's also something I learned about in like middle school band. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 25, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
Billy Stewart’s version of summertime is the best out of the 25,000 versions of the track.

https://youtu.be/CDLDl0_pt_k
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 25, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on January 25, 2021, 02:59:30 PM
Soviet Kitsch by Regina Spektor is punk as shit.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on January 25, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 26, 2021, 03:36:10 AM
Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k

This was the most punk shit I’ve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 26, 2021, 09:23:13 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo

It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: animalflesh on January 26, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
I love nu metal
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 26, 2021, 10:18:43 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.

and theres a new sig. thanks Chief
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 26, 2021, 03:44:07 PM
I love nu metal
What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: animalflesh on January 26, 2021, 05:24:14 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 26, 2021, 06:47:51 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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RATM and tool aren't new metal...

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 27, 2021, 06:21:04 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: McDuff on January 27, 2021, 07:46:17 AM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to “I believe in a thing called love”. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 27, 2021, 09:49:33 AM
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the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g
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Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to “I believe in a thing called love”. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.

What a deal!

the Darkness for a first dance woulda been rad haha
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: animalflesh on January 27, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.

Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 27, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
I mean what else would you categorize them as? Maybe the progenitor to what Korn was trying to become?! IDK but thats what I have them in my music folder....

For the most part I've been a hater and for good reason some of that genre was errgghhh mehhh (https://media.tenor.com/images/f001e6b5c812ad474cde8eba0b691fbb/tenor.gif)

I believe that with any genre of music there's an oversaturation and for the most part Korn and other bands that were similar they either fell off or kept at it, which is why I like Korn, they've taken the piss from critics and fans and probably heard their complaints which why their sound has gradually gotten better. Thats just me though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 27, 2021, 12:37:16 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome

Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.
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Post by: animalflesh on January 27, 2021, 02:59:29 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome
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Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.

Dude I was there! Haha
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 27, 2021, 11:47:17 PM
RATM is more nu metal than Korn. I don’t know what the official definition of nu metal is, I was asking about that earlier in the thread, but to me there’s usually a rap element. Now ask yourself which of the two is a rapper, Zach de la Rocha or Jon Davis? Hint, paradoxically it’s not the one dressing up like Run DMC...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 28, 2021, 12:07:23 AM
But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool and Orgy.  Hell, maybe even Rammstein, they were on the Family Values tour in ’98 after all.
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Post by: Easy Slider on January 28, 2021, 12:11:06 AM
I never thought of RATM as Nu Metal. Actually when their first album came out the style was called crossover (at least in Europe). The term Nu Metal was first applied to Limp Bizkit afaik.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 28, 2021, 07:16:35 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 28, 2021, 08:16:58 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
Holy shit dude!!!!

 Way to come in hot with a rad counterpoint to this discussion. I loved and still appreciate Helmet for so many reasons including nostalgic purposes.

These guy's definitely check alot of boxes for numetal before numetal was a thing.

Now upon greater reflection RATM reminds me of crossover rap metal?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Glue Reed on January 28, 2021, 08:21:13 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on January 28, 2021, 08:46:02 AM

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. 


If Judgment Night is mentioned, I would like to throw in this Onyx/Biohazard collab:

https://youtu.be/DZdW32LgBDc

Rock remixes of rap tracks were quite a thing around that time. E.g. below rock mix of House of Pain Shamrocks and Shenanigans.

https://youtu.be/FOGQDqY-_5w

Obviously Cypress Hill then really jumped on that bandwagon starting from the IV album.

I realise this stuff did not age quite well (as opposed to the rest of the early back catalogue of Onyx, House of Pain and Cypress Hill that aged like fine wine).
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 28, 2021, 08:58:34 AM
Onyx fucking rules. I give Kareem 1000% credit for my love of onyx.

My theory is the reason they didn’t fucking blow up is because they released Bacdafucup a few months too late. If they released it in December of 1992 it could have been one of the best records of the year. But, by releasing it in March of 93 they couldn’t compete with what came later that year, midnight marauders and enter the 36 chambers.

Tl/dr onyx got over shadowed by wu tang and a tribe called quest.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 28, 2021, 09:08:36 AM
i love this thread...hey, cheers bea! and Easy Slider, "if Judgment Night is mentioned, I would [also] like to throw in"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmdg3epcic
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Post by: IUTSM on January 28, 2021, 11:11:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyvEeoj7To  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyvEeoj7To)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2p7jOXCj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2p7jOXCj0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhyx-heAhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhyx-heAhY)

Eastcide was from my hometown and right on the cusp of blowing up in the rap-rock/nu-metal wave but they were just hoodlums and working dudes making hard music. There was some pretty cool shit going on in Massachusetts in the late 90s-early 00s.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: animalflesh on January 28, 2021, 02:42:33 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

For fans of helmet

https://youtu.be/HtQNSslwHJs

Members of Torche, Kylesa...
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 28, 2021, 03:06:00 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY
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Post by: Glue Reed on January 28, 2021, 05:59:16 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY

That’s definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

I’m sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didn’t look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 28, 2021, 06:17:16 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY
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That’s definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

I’m sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didn’t look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.
For sure I use to get down while listening to this jam. It really shows our age when looking back at these types of bands.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 28, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 28, 2021, 08:09:53 PM
down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 28, 2021, 11:43:28 PM
Unsung is such a great helmet song

RATM come from the hardcore scene and defs not nu-metal
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 29, 2021, 01:46:34 AM
Led Zeppelin is annoying because of Robert Plant's vocals

besides over the hills and far away - have a soft spot from that Jeremy Wray edit lol
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 29, 2021, 04:04:10 AM
I never really liked Led Zeppelin, sure their band is talented but Robert plants voice sucks..
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Post by: cucktard on January 29, 2021, 04:10:19 AM
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Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k
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This was the most punk shit I’ve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.

Check out their back catalogue.

It’s full of gems like this

https://youtu.be/CLYAPIgXmf4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 29, 2021, 05:28:21 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on January 29, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).
Yeah I honestly forgot about Faith No More, which makes a hell of a lot of sense.

I would argue that Red Hot Chili Peppers were biting FNM style but that's just me though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on January 29, 2021, 12:58:16 PM
I never really liked Led Zeppelin, sure their band is talented but Robert plants voice sucks..

this is pretty much where I am at. Can give respect cuz the musicianship but fuck the vocals are so lame

also this band cos-playing led zeppelin is so funny. some of this shit could be straight out of spinal tap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_vnQc1oBE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_vnQc1oBE)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on January 29, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
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Post by: burm on January 29, 2021, 10:11:25 PM
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Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
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Post by: burm on January 29, 2021, 10:19:17 PM
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Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
Because I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.

And in any case my original point here was that some like to lump bands as numetal and that automatically makes them bad, when in my opinion there is little in common between bands like Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down, especially as the bands matured, but all of these I have seen called numetal (not in this thread necessarily)
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 30, 2021, 05:05:21 AM
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But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
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Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
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Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
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Because I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.

And in any case my original point here was that some like to lump bands as numetal and that automatically makes them bad, when in my opinion there is little in common between bands like Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down, especially as the bands matured, but all of these I have seen called numetal (not in this thread necessarily)
For sure I hear this a lot of these band’s were summed up together but completely totally different in similar styles but either toured together or had interwoven friendships

I have to say though if I were to prefer a timeline for this era would be early 90’s to 98’ wasn’t played out it had it’s moments in time that were nostalgic for me.
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Post by: livin on a speyer on January 30, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
Rap is the most boring music genre there is.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 30, 2021, 11:09:13 AM
Rap is the most boring music genre there is.

I disagree - much like punk - there are subcultures/styles within the culture and maybe you just haven’t found the sound/lyricism that suits your taste.

Are you writing off rap as a whole due to what’s popular today?
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Post by: urbneathme on January 30, 2021, 11:51:05 AM
rage against the machine and downset laid the foundation for nu metal. they’re the jumping off point for the genre, so it’s a valid classification. it’s like throwing emo on husker du in retrospect
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Post by: Sleazy on February 04, 2021, 06:37:39 PM
rage against the machine and downset laid the foundation for nu metal. they’re the jumping off point for the genre, so it’s a valid classification. it’s like throwing emo on husker du in retrospect

wouldn't emo be at the drive in?

this kind of pivots well to a point i was going to make which is i think a lot of shitty styles of musics from that era spun off a great bands or at least bands that put out some great songs/albums. the two obvious examples for me in the 90s would be rage and ATDI. both were great but then their style got quickly imitated into these horrible genres that overshadowed the source material. the grunge bands were no where near as bad as the modern rock stuff that imitated it, etc...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dwyck on February 04, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
I like Spiral Stairs vocals better than malkmus's
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 04, 2021, 07:23:04 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
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Post by: LordManHammer on February 04, 2021, 07:33:54 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: silhouette on February 04, 2021, 07:43:26 PM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.
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Post by: Huell Howser on February 04, 2021, 08:22:55 PM
^backed on that later Ramones statement. Howling at the moon off Animal Boy could easily make a top 10 list of best songs of all time. Also I dig the huge sounding production on tracks like Bonzo goes to Bitburg

.38 Special 'Caught Up In You' is one of the best songs ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg21Rkew874 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg21Rkew874)
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Post by: DaleSr on February 04, 2021, 10:18:25 PM
I fucking love Coldplay. I have their lyrics tattooed on my ribs.
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Post by: rawr1922 on February 04, 2021, 11:18:32 PM
I enjoyed reading the nu metal discussion the last 2 pages.
 
Anyways, Jay Reatard & The Black Lips rule.   
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 05, 2021, 03:41:33 AM
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I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.

Yeah true, I mean I love joy division. But, sometimes their tracks can feel bloated and distanced. But if I’m of my meds and feeling like garbage, they hit a lot different than if I’m on my meds.

In the same breath though, as much as I love rudimentary peni, nick blinko made hesitate for years about getting on anti-psychotics, I’m glad I did and it changed my life for the better, but had I not read the primal screamer when I was 13, I would probably be much more well adjusted.
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Post by: Art Greco on February 05, 2021, 06:07:51 AM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.

Too Tough To Die and Halfway To Sanity are my favorite Ramones records.  They got past that rudimentary three chord stuff and really became a good, serious songwriting band at that point. 

Songs like I Wanna Live and  Planet Earth 1988 are miles ahead of what they were doing on Leave Home and Rocket To Russia, imo.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 05, 2021, 06:29:05 AM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.


I think Wolves In Wolves' Clothing is a great NOFX record start to finish. I like stuff from their later catalog but that might be the only one I think is good all the way through. But So Long is my favorite.


The Ramones' later records (especially Animal Boy) are interesting because of how fragmented the writing is. Joey was my favorite member even though Dee Dee was the best songwriter of the band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 05, 2021, 06:42:27 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).

i love helmet as well, and betty especially. wilmas rainbow, milquetoast and street crab are my favorites.

this another 90s alt metal/noise/post hardcore band that ruled, but noone talks about, with helmets peter mengede on guitar. also with ex members of gorilla buiscuits and quicksand. you hear quicksand a lot in there, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nYlz4oeIIg

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on February 06, 2021, 02:01:45 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 06, 2021, 02:13:11 PM
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Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
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Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?

Yes I have! Super good series
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 06, 2021, 07:35:49 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


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Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#128512;
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on February 07, 2021, 03:22:04 AM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#128512;
What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 07, 2021, 08:35:15 AM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.

really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on February 07, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 07, 2021, 11:19:00 PM
I find Joy Division boring, Tool doesn't really do anything for me either but I really like this track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmJYZ1NIn1Y
prison sex is pretty cool too!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on February 08, 2021, 05:10:56 AM
I fucking love Coldplay. I have their lyrics tattooed on my ribs.

I think Coldplay became the go-to band to shit on after 40 Year Old Virgin and just because they're not a Rock band, really, but I think they're great and they have been for years.

What lyrics do you have tattoo'd on you?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 08, 2021, 06:46:59 AM
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.

and since we're talking about Robert Smith, look how young and adorable he is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jmB4xgNWw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 08, 2021, 07:39:42 AM
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.




Wow, that's interesting. I love their cover and I love the original. I actually have a 7 inch that has both versions on each side.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 08, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
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i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.

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Wow, that's interesting. I love their cover and I love the original. I actually have a 7 inch that has both versions on each side.

i had no idea they made a split 7" with each version on a side:

https://www.discogs.com/The-Cure-Dinosaur-Jr-Just-Like-Heaven/release/5605934

that's incredible...i had the Dinosaur Jr 7" of "Just Like Heaven" long ago, but--like most of my vinyl--throughout my years of transience, i have no idea where it is and/or if i sold it at one point.

i did manage to hang on to this priceless gem, which i believe was the version of "The Wagon" used in G&S Footage, since this came out a bit before Green Mind

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uXqvyZoMZgOXnSZfha56Xcp2CfLfR9RHULr4iHOftnRp8XEcsGuCVdbEn6T6kVj1-MYV0u1ycHmrg6Sbfb-F9TGKiuED2iNxZwQE46IVovhGES40RRuL6Dp0nPM1PM_7Hbdi8PrVJY0hm1EeTeIIB0glZZ68orm5n8KNTpjPs0h8ybKm7-5Sdz8bZ1xAhEOoXYb-91dCiva2aixCq8-PRoKwLdc29zrWrCaWdaVPSyqxOH__T7xM4GSaAFKzB2E2qaEHdDfk-UQ9ZWO7r8Tt67gQf5k5ENnKT9C2VmgVisbxJkuHY4_wNB9_6x2m7_pUet-_WuypN1In-k47nwJ8_7jfXitjHDdL5Acp84KZieUPU610qQI9mjppZ8Oq_Jglnr6HplT5ULikwFjk_5HZikT47j_btnCtYqsnCvNIKw_1bpsj_tFJ6HjK1Q6Cmtot0Stc-mmJUr3WDYueGshjlNwvVpVXIBni1Ga7jY2LPav8OHT8dxqULlC9J8_14glH0YQFabUbQXAccm0os5ahP-McHQcE6dp0znLOaKB4ynK5BI6wBfdnD__PbTpN6axwH-DH1UNzrDYdw-6xE1MfAtMPG8aDOkcPCy74gpqLlup9zdrDY0sA0gfEW0dfl6MAMM-hvxiC9QMGFg4liK6IHGjCsqeF7vi46Mn--QHLJHbFb9WADO4xN118WcMm=w2128-h1596-no?authuser=0)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on February 08, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 09, 2021, 02:51:03 AM
Man I know it’s the unpopular music thread but if you peasants had seen queen on YouTube when they played Wembley then they wouldn’t be on this list
That’s a fucken concert, man

Meatloaf too, I think he comes across the wrong way

Bat out of hell is high art. Him and his mate spent years trying to pitch it for the coin and cunts laughed em out of their offices, called em fuckwits and what have you, absolute disrespect but those two
held their nerve. I dunno, I feel like if you ever saw a musical and liked it you’d get where they were coming from

They should make a movie about that album, deadset
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on February 09, 2021, 05:51:01 AM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on February 09, 2021, 06:35:47 AM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.

I spent the Summer of 97 in PB, San Diego and there was a tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa) where I used to eat my Quesadillas. They had a jukebox but the only good songs were Caress Me Down by Sublime and Legalize it by Peter Tosh so I always listened to these songs while enjoying my Quesadillas. Hence this song will always remind me of those carefree days before or after a surf session at Mission Beach in the Summer of 97 in that tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa). I realise that's cheesy but then I was talking Quesadillas so it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 09, 2021, 07:01:30 AM
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I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
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I spent the Summer of 97 in PB, San Diego and there was a tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa) where I used to eat my Quesadillas. They had a jukebox but the only good songs were Caress Me Down by Sublime and Legalize it by Peter Tosh so I always listened to these songs while enjoying my Quesadillas. Hence this song will always remind me of those carefree days before or after a surf session at Mission Beach in the Summer of 97 in that tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa). I realise that's cheesy but then I was talking Quesadillas so it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

that's pretty awesome
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 09, 2021, 04:56:23 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
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Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.

so i've been listening to nurosis non-stop. i took the time to compare their output in 93 to tools and i think you are right they seemed a bit ahead of them and definitely missed out on a lot of shine. i'm not sure how no one i hung around with at the time was into them. i new one guy who rocked their shirt but i though it was some 70s band. going to dive into some of those other bands you mentioned too. good shit, thanks!

i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

For the cure this is probably one of my favorite tracks. They are definitely a top 10 band for me. Love that track but have you heard this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXwZ0H1oj0

Actually there are so many underrated lovey songs in their catalog

This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c

100% agree. that song still gets me hyped. This ones pretty epic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFZK58DXfU

And then if your going to talk about Bauhaus you may as well throw out some skinny puppy. Feel they deserved more shine than they got, some great songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ulj3tut3o
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on February 09, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


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Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
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Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.
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so i've been listening to nurosis non-stop. i took the time to compare their output in 93 to tools and i think you are right they seemed a bit ahead of them and definitely missed out on a lot of shine. i'm not sure how no one i hung around with at the time was into them. i new one guy who rocked their shirt but i though it was some 70s band. going to dive into some of those other bands you mentioned too. good shit, thanks!

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i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw
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For the cure this is probably one of my favorite tracks. They are definitely a top 10 band for me. Love that track but have you heard this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXwZ0H1oj0

Actually there are so many underrated lovey songs in their catalog

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This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c
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100% agree. that song still gets me hyped. This ones pretty epic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFZK58DXfU

And then if your going to talk about Bauhaus you may as well throw out some skinny puppy. Feel they deserved more shine than they got, some great songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ulj3tut3o
Yeah just keep going they started out as hardcore crust band,

 Pain of Mind,  Through Silver in Blood, Tribes of Neurot and so on. Bewarned this is a good deep rabbithole you're going down. When one listens to a Neurosis album it's not one or two song's it is all the way through.

Bauhaus has also been my go to but I've recently getting in to darkwave and W∆T¢H H@v$3 weird witch house but it's odd to some.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 10, 2021, 03:48:19 AM
i'm pretty excited for this neurosis rabbit hole. i'm checking out souls at zero now. i saw some guy online say it's still one of his favorite albums and it came out in 92 which makes it really interesting to me as a lot of my favorite albums dropped around then so i wanted to check out this one that i apparently missed.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on February 10, 2021, 06:14:44 AM
I went to see Neurosis play in the early 90s in an unfinished Autobahn tunnel in Stuttgart (die Roehre). There were a lot of Crust punks indeed. It was really loud  ;D
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Post by: ChuckRamone on February 10, 2021, 11:19:51 AM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
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Post by: LordManHammer on February 10, 2021, 12:37:26 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-Dw
One would also include this a progenitor as a closer comparison
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IUTSM on February 10, 2021, 12:39:58 PM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.

Sublime got blown up and out with US popular radio, but you're totally right about how they linked genres together. On top of it they were all ugly, fucked up socal scum bag punkers. good shit

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Post by: Sleazy on February 11, 2021, 06:44:43 AM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-Dw
One would also include this a progenitor as a closer comparison

at the time who would have thought that combining PE and thrash metal could have such a disastrous outcome
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
hey Sleazy, yes i had heard "Catch" by the Cure and i do dig it, although i'm not sure about it comparing to "Just Like Heaven"...maybe...you are right though, and there is quite a lot of loveliness in the Cure's catalogue--like these are both "very sparkly" in their own ways:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOlZtpANa0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdURsH1VjHo

i dig the conversation regarding the Bauhaus' cover of "Ziggy Stardust"...not sure i could go so far as to say it beats the original...i don't know though, it is really good...hah, funny enough, it is making me think of something i once heard regarding the AK platform (as in "AK47") of guns (sorry if this analogy loses some of you good people). Jim Fuller is one of the only American manufacturers to really perfect manufacturing AKs and AK variants, and he once said that the AK is used ubiquitously around the world because, it is such an incredible platform, that even when it is made in a really shitty way, it still works...

...that came to mind when thinking about people covering the song "Ziggy Stardust"--a band like Bauhaus could hardly fuck up such a fundamentally incredible song...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 11, 2021, 07:53:46 PM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.
I even like the track with Gwen and I fucking hate no doubt so that's really saying something. On paper it looks kinda cheesy but I think they really had their own niche at the time and album really represents that!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on February 13, 2021, 09:21:49 PM
not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on February 14, 2021, 04:00:19 AM
The Specials were basically a cover band
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 14, 2021, 05:40:44 AM
The Specials were basically a cover band

this is not untrue...and what a cover band they were...case in point, i love this "Skinhead Symphony," especially when some people are being thugs in the audience and Terry throws his tambourine (of all things) at the guy to get him to stop...how adorable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R4ecjpUn50

nah, but seriously though, i know i put the Dance Craze version of it up on the first page of this thread, but their version of "Concrete Jungle" is actually pretty fucking gnarly. as a young American in the 1980s, its talk of the National Front was the first reason i had to learn about those wanna-be fascist dogs.

"I'm going out tonight
I don't know if I'll be alright
Everyone wants to hurt me
Baby danger in the city

I have to carry a knife
Because there's people threatening my life
I can't dress just the way I want
I'm being chased by the National Front

Concrete jungle, animals are after me
Concrete jungle, it ain't safe on the streets
Concrete jungle, glad I got my mates with me"

fuck it, i'll put it up again--a heavy fucking performance in my humble opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qh63nu1OQ
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on February 24, 2021, 09:10:13 AM
Daft Punk ending things had me going down a rabbit hole. I still stand by my feelings that Discovery is their only great album, Homework is good with flaws, and everything else is kinda whatever...

But I did rewatch the stronger video with Daft Punk and Kanye. I must say this...Anime/Japanese Hypebeast Kanye was the best Kanye by far. He was making some really fun shit during that era.

Not sure if that’s an unpopular opinion but fuck it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IUTSM on February 24, 2021, 01:17:43 PM
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I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
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I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.
I even like the track with Gwen and I fucking hate no doubt so that's really saying something. On paper it looks kinda cheesy but I think they really had their own niche at the time and album really represents that!

you talking about Robbin the Hood. Saw Red with Gwen is on that album. It's their grittiest record by far. straight secret tweeker pad status.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on February 24, 2021, 07:57:31 PM
The songs on the spotify sad music playlist aren't sad enough.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on February 24, 2021, 09:15:00 PM
not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.
bowie’s music always feels like he’s trying to be someone else. let’s dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whatever
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on February 25, 2021, 02:19:41 AM
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not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.
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bowie’s music always feels like he’s trying to be someone else. let’s dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whatever

yeah he's certainly not the god of uniquity to me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Vinz on February 25, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
U2 is the most overrated band ever
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on February 25, 2021, 03:45:22 PM
U2 is the most overrated band ever

Actually they’re so overrated that the backlash kinda makes them underrated. Like 50 cent or Diplo.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 26, 2021, 01:49:06 AM
Maybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer
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Post by: Vinz on February 26, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
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U2 is the most overrated band ever
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Actually they’re so overrated that the backlash kinda makes them underrated. Like 50 cent or Diplo.
people think that diplo makes good music?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 26, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
This one is tough for me because of how much I love discharge, but the buzzcocks wrote the first dbeat song.

https://youtu.be/hHfG52BRRBY
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on February 26, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
Maybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer

Like a prayer is off the hook regardless of rack.

The little bit of guitar at the start before the closing door sound is Prince, the 12 inch version has a Prince solo in it too. Other promo versions and dub mixes feature sneaky little uncredited Prince samples too. Even with out Prince, it's still great. Did it get used in an RDS video somewhere along the line?

Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles, and while I'm thinking about things Australians don't like to hear you say {not sure if the rest of the world even knows this ghastly song} but I would love to never hear Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool again - but I don't like my chances. Sorry if that bums you out Matty C.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 26, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
!!!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on February 27, 2021, 12:26:56 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!

unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on February 27, 2021, 02:25:58 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.

Are you Australian?
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on February 27, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.
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Are you Australian?

Nah man, Im Scottish & everyone i know seems to fuckin hate the Eagles.. i kinda like em but i am definitely in the minority up here
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Post by: urbneathme on February 27, 2021, 02:23:02 PM
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Maybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer
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Like a prayer is off the hook regardless of rack.

The little bit of guitar at the start before the closing door sound is Prince, the 12 inch version has a Prince solo in it too. Other promo versions and dub mixes feature sneaky little uncredited Prince samples too. Even with out Prince, it's still great. Did it get used in an RDS video somewhere along the line?

Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles, and while I'm thinking about things Australians don't like to hear you say {not sure if the rest of the world even knows this ghastly song} but I would love to never hear Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool again - but I don't like my chances. Sorry if that bums you out Matty C.
the story about steely dan making him record a guitar solo for like 10 straight hours largely because they were jealous of him is so fucking funny that it makes him, as a public figure, worth it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: and_so_uh_yeah on February 27, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on February 27, 2021, 05:43:40 PM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.
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Are you Australian?
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Nah man, Im Scottish & everyone i know seems to fuckin hate the Eagles.. i kinda like em but i am definitely in the minority up here

Well, I wish I could tap into my Scottish ancestry and not be Australian just to remove the Eagles from my life. Everyone here seems to love them {well under 50 year olds too!}
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 27, 2021, 07:53:17 PM
Haha nah that song sucks mate, I can’t stand the eagles either my dad used to blast them and travelling wilburys on road trips but he only had like the one tape of each band, hell of a thing to do in a car

I didn’t know that about the Madonna song, that’s sick. Prince has some good ones for sure
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Burt Ward on February 27, 2021, 10:49:14 PM
Well, I wish I could tap into my Scottish ancestry and not be Australian just to remove the Eagles from my life. Everyone here seems to love them {well under 50 year olds too!}

I'm Australian, and have not noticed this at all. The Eagles are fucken shit.
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Post by: bob george on February 27, 2021, 11:09:14 PM
Well then, I hope I'm wrong. Maybe it's a regional thing - maybe I need to leave the north coast.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on February 27, 2021, 11:34:24 PM


anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?


This is a very weird question.
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Post by: and_so_uh_yeah on February 28, 2021, 12:34:57 AM
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anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?


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This is a very weird question.

lol those mayhem dudes were fucked. obsessed with death and all. the suicide of dead and euronymous taking his picture. then varg murdering euronymous. a fucked situation. the music is interesting. i dunno why i threw sleep in between.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 28, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
U2 is the most overrated band ever

oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c

ps: Vinz
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: lazer69 on February 28, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Catchy. This is the first time i've heard another song from them besides the one that goes like

"I believe in olympic cola..
 Just liisgten to the river from the harr
.... . . . ....... . . .. ........
.... . . .. ... ... .....

I believe in olyyympiic cooOOlaaaaAAA"
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IUTSM on February 28, 2021, 06:04:23 PM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney

Rancid 2000 is good and i can still play most of the album, but Rancid 1993 and AOCTW are what I like. Life Won't Wait in some ways may be the best.

The Clash is phenomenal. Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros killed it as did BAD

Dropkick Murphys were a great Boston band with Mike McClogan on vox. Down hill fast after he left as far as I was concerned. Wtf was up with that military album on gangs all here?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on March 01, 2021, 01:51:29 AM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney

I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Vinz on March 01, 2021, 12:13:12 PM
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oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c)

ps: Vinz
speaking of performances, If you are paying over $150 to see a live performance it's not worth it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on March 01, 2021, 07:42:05 PM
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oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c)

ps: Vinz
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speaking of performances, If you are paying over $150 to see a live performance it's not worth it.
saw the stones in like $2,500 seats (i worked the show and got in for free) and will say that literally no show on earth is worth more than 150 (unless money means nothing to you). that show fully drove that point home. it was literally once in a lifetime stuff for me and i wouldn’t have spent 40 bucks for it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on March 01, 2021, 11:55:31 PM
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Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
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I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.

I still bump Rancid's and out come the wolves! and Operation Ivy for that matter!

also Tim Armstrong's first solo record has some hits as well
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Brguy on March 02, 2021, 10:26:32 AM
Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.
I've heard this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTxglw3wtms
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: smellsdead on March 03, 2021, 10:32:41 AM
sleaford mods has filled a void left by the fall
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Post by: Glue Reed on March 03, 2021, 02:50:11 PM
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Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
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I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.

I definitely think thrash metal D.R.I. are boring... however you'd be hard-pressed to find something as chaotic and rabid as the Dirty Rotten E.P.  One of the best hardcore EP's ever.  Dealing with It isn't bad... after that though, snoozefest. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88ADl46eok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88ADl46eok)

I dig Rancid.. they are definitely the best of all the late 90's Epitaph bands (not a high bar to clear).  They have great influences and definitely write some great songs.  Sometimes corny, and sometimes waaaay to Clash-rip-offy, but man they can write some street punk anthems (this is from their newest album and it's great):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__WMJusant4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__WMJusant4)

I don't really understand why people hate U2 to such an intense degree... I'm not really fan and don't own any of their albums, but they can write some hits and there's way, WAY worse stuff out there that gets marketed as the 'greatest rock band ever!'.  I guess it could be the over-saturation?  I really don't know, but they aren't as horrible as people claim.

Agreed about the Sleaford Mods.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on March 03, 2021, 03:52:26 PM
also agree about Sleaford Mods, I don't get into as much as the fall of course but they got a similar feel.

this song is a jam. makes me want to listen to the fall or the prodigy lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uN3n-NjLHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uN3n-NjLHc)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on March 05, 2021, 11:58:36 AM
someone mentioned him so I guess this is my unpopular opinion but fuck Colter Wall. Kid used daddy's money/connections to get in with b-list songwriters and made a corny song about nothing that got play on bad tv shows

interesting..  can you eleaborate on this for a Scotsman who knows nothing about the guy other than his tunes
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IUTSM on March 05, 2021, 04:03:45 PM
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Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
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I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.
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I still bump Rancid's and out come the wolves! and Operation Ivy for that matter!

also Tim Armstrong's first solo record has some hits as well

that album came out early summer 2007, right before my 21 birthday. I was getting tattooed and a dude in the shop was playing wake up and I was pretty stoked on it. I grabbed it and started playing it everywhere I went. I had 2 kickercomp 12s in the trunk of my 5spd 93 eclipse and was in a Mobb Deep/Nas phase, but I was playing a Poets Life all over town haha Couple weeks later, I was at a party with a girl I had been dating for a little over a year and I'd snuck this CD on the stereo to play instead of shitty pop rap and stuff. I'm sitting outside drinking and smoking a J and she comes over and says "We've been together a long time. I deserve a ring." With a poets life as the soundtrack, I said sayonara and soon after hit the road for the first time. That cd got played a lot!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on March 07, 2021, 06:09:46 AM
I don’t really get the big deal about Henry Rollins. He’s not particularly profound, funny, or interesting to me.
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Post by: LordManHammer on March 07, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
I don’t really get the big deal about Henry Rollins. He’s not particularly profound, funny, or interesting to me.
Henry Rollins' never appealed to me same with Rancid I'm just not moved by Tim's voice or Lars bonehead crew. 

Was in Providence for a few years doing show's with and hanging out with Dropdead and The Pist managed to score a interview with Lars when they were playing with Dropkick Murphys.

Did a whole write up for a punk zine afterwards I felt the dude had no patience kept fidgeting around was short about questions really cagey like he didn't have much to say except plugging his album.  Finally I got bummed out and asked if he wasn't feeling it and he sighed and bailed.  Totally trashed the interview and went off the rails with a hate rage article about how he was a cocksucker.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: smellsdead on March 07, 2021, 06:40:11 AM
ny hip hop is the best
toss up between the south and the west for #2 though
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on March 07, 2021, 09:42:17 AM
people are way too forgiving of dropkick murphys and all other cop punk bands
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on March 07, 2021, 11:22:22 AM
ny hip hop is the best
toss up between the south and the west for #2 though
East coast and the south are the best than third coast with S.U.C. crew. Big hawk, Pimp C, Fat Pat Texas has a hefty weight for rap music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IUTSM on March 07, 2021, 02:29:12 PM
people are way too forgiving of dropkick murphys and all other cop punk bands

that's what they became, for sure. first couple years they definitely weren't a cop band though
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 07, 2021, 04:24:08 PM
Bear vs. shark is better than at the drive in.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on March 07, 2021, 11:46:11 PM
Sleaford mods are unreal

Good ones are your brave, cunt make it up, Carlton touts, tcr. They’re all good songs, actually
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 08, 2021, 07:52:54 AM
i don't really get the Sleaford Mods thing--i have a friend who loves them and has been sharing songs with me and i'm just not feeling it...funny to say that after just saying something positive about a band like U2 above...oh well.

i figure a bunch of heads in this thread are a bit younger, so this may not be that unpopular, but this is an incredible album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNyd9zL44s

i loved it earlier on, and tried getting a bunch of my early- to mid-1990s "indie" friends to give it a chance back when and none of them would even try--back when the "Sweater Song" was on the radio all of the time. since then over the years, a bunch of them have told me that they finally gave it a listen and got sucked right into it and loved it...although, to this day, i can't stand that fucking Buddy Holly song...it's like the slow extraction of a tooth.

it is the only album from Weezer that i like--haven't been able to listen to anything else since...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 08, 2021, 07:56:13 AM
i'm not really expressing an opinion here, other than to say that i can't really decided which version of this song i love more...i love them both, but i'm sure there are some purists in here who have no doubt about which is superior:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fWw7FE9tTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nAON-MwUPY
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Post by: IUTSM on March 08, 2021, 03:16:09 PM
i don't really get the Sleaford Mods thing--i have a friend who loves them and has been sharing songs with me and i'm just not feeling it...funny to say that after just saying something positive about a band like U2 above...oh well.

i figure a bunch of heads in this thread are a bit younger, so this may not be that unpopular, but this is an incredible album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNyd9zL44s

i loved it earlier on, and tried getting a bunch of my early- to mid-1990s "indie" friends to give it a chance back when and none of them would even try--back when the "Sweater Song" was on the radio all of the time. since then over the years, a bunch of them have told me that they finally gave it a listen and got sucked right into it and loved it...although, to this day, i can't stand that fucking Buddy Holly song...it's like the slow extraction of a tooth.

it is the only album from Weezer that i like--haven't been able to listen to anything else since...

I used to listen to that record a lot. When my family got our first computer, with Windows 95, it loaded up the Buddy Holly video. I was in 7th grade, probably 96 or 97, just starting to listen to the Misfits, Sex Pistols, and DKs but I totally got into that track. I can't stand any other Weezer albums, but that blue album is a good throwback to my late childhood. Guitar tone is a nice fuzz for sure
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Post by: bob george on March 08, 2021, 03:57:16 PM
i put the banshees version on A LOT more, but everytime i hear iggy's i'm still blown away by it being such a great song.

one of the few examples of them both being as good as each other, being different, but not wildly different at all, but not a total regurgitation type cover. both so incredible!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on March 08, 2021, 06:41:52 PM
loving this thread, has me listening to music i never gave much of a chance because i just heard hits on MTV and never dug in. listened to rancid today and now checking out weezer's blue and been listening to neurosis for a few weeks now. slap at it's best.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 09, 2021, 06:47:17 AM
i put the banshees version on A LOT more, but everytime i hear iggy's i'm still blown away by it being such a great song.

one of the few examples of them both being as good as each other, being different, but not wildly different at all, but not a total regurgitation type cover. both so incredible!

same here--i actually wrote the above post because i just finished watching both seasons of Narcos: Mexico (again) and it is perfect how they use it in episode 9 of the second season...so perfect in fact, that someone put that scene up on youtube i see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF8XQxYLIwU
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on March 09, 2021, 12:34:35 PM
Elliot Smith sucks butt.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on April 04, 2021, 09:09:10 AM
Against Me is overrated IMO I could listen to reinventing axl rose but anything else is meh...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 04, 2021, 09:21:27 AM
Against Me is overrated IMO I could listen to reinventing axl rose but anything else is meh...

I back this. I can’t listen to anything past as the eternal cowboy. But I will say that shit rules.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 05, 2021, 03:55:17 PM
my unpopular opinions:

- punk is dead

- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either

- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 05, 2021, 04:42:53 PM
Almost all shoegaze bands except MBV and Ride are fucking terrible.

my unpopular opinions:

- punk is dead

- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either

- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out

I will never chill out.  Punk is definitely dead, basically like Crass said in that one song.  (BTW, with the exception of a couple songs, Crass absolutely sucks.  Just an utter pigshit, dumb as dirt band that thinks its smart.  I will die on that hill.)  You are also correct about the Sex Pistols, who are useless except possibly as a gateway to better music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 05, 2021, 05:26:50 PM
Almost all shoegaze bands except MBV and Ride are fucking terrible.

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my unpopular opinions:

- punk is dead

- I think the sex pistols are bad and gimmicky and most remembered for antics and fashion, plus johnny lydon is a trumper prick now. best stuff to come out of the UK in that era is gang of four and crass. can't go wrong with UK subs either

- it's corny to hate on popular stuff just because it's popular. might even find yourself appreciating some of it if you just chill out
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I will never chill out.  Punk is definitely dead, basically like Crass said in that one song.  (BTW, with the exception of a couple songs, Crass absolutely sucks.  Just an utter pigshit, dumb as dirt band that thinks its smart.  I will die on that hill.)  You are also correct about the Sex Pistols, who are useless except possibly as a gateway to better music.

don't care what hill you die on bro! at least yer dead!!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on April 05, 2021, 07:35:59 PM
Punk most certainly is not dead, FUCK OFF blasphemers!!!!

Yeah most decent band’s have moved on from their initial inception. Sex Pistols were garbage Crass is not garbage, just my opinions though.

Punk is still around and kicking, maybe the scene sucks where you’ll live but that’s where you do something about it!

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on April 05, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
punk’s not dead, you’re just too old
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 05, 2021, 08:17:38 PM
I’ve been a huge crass fan for damn near two decades, but conflict is the best band to come out of the crass records camp. But both crass and conflict played massive roles in me becoming/staying an anarchist(syndicalist) for what is now the majority of my life thus far.

Also for anyone that fence rides Crass, listen or relisten to feeding the 5000. That shit will give you goosebumps.

Also, unpopular opinion, articles of faith is one of the most underrated first wave hardcore bands.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 05, 2021, 08:21:07 PM
Crass were great, I'd like to believe punk is dead but Propagandhi still exists so ...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 05, 2021, 09:44:43 PM
Crass were the bad kind of anarchist, if I recall. Not syndicalists, but individualist anarchist, which is basically libertarian. Other bands on their label had way better politics and made better music (Zounds is a personal favorite). The first record is half good, but they get successively worse from then on, except for a few good tracks off of Penis Envy.

I’ll explain my opinion regarding the death of punk. Lots of bands play music in the style of punk, and many of them are very good; some are even better than actual first wave punk bands. However, punk isn’t just a style of music—it was a moment in history where things seemed truly up in the air and unsettled, where new possibilities presented themselves in music and beyond. When those possibilities closed off for various reasons, punk died and its remnants splintered into various scenes, which themselves eventually died and splintered. But the music itself still reverberates through bands that interpret that moment of possibility without actually having lived in it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: beatifk on April 06, 2021, 02:14:52 AM
Bear vs. shark is better than at the drive in.

If Bear Vs. Shark didn't have the stupidest name on earth (and had a name as good as "At the Drive In") they probably could've played much bigger shows. But seeing "Bear Vs. Shark" at the top of a show poster/flyer I'm sure was a huge turn-off for any potential new listeners and also any bookers looking to get people to the show. It's such a dumb name. Sorry.

I love their music though and I think I agree with your post.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 06, 2021, 03:54:36 AM
Crass were the bad kind of anarchist, if I recall. Not syndicalists, but individualist anarchist, which is basically libertarian. Other bands on their label had way better politics and made better music (Zounds is a personal favorite). The first record is half good, but they get successively worse from then on, except for a few good tracks off of Penis Envy.

I’ll explain my opinion regarding the death of punk. Lots of bands play music in the style of punk, and many of them are very good; some are even better than actual first wave punk bands. However, punk isn’t just a style of music—it was a moment in history where things seemed truly up in the air and unsettled, where new possibilities presented themselves in music and beyond. When those possibilities closed off for various reasons, punk died and its remnants splintered into various scenes, which themselves eventually died and splintered. But the music itself still reverberates through bands that interpret that moment of possibility without actually having lived in it.

They were anarcho pacifists, which is collectivist in nature and hold very similar views to that of anarchist communist and anarcho syndicalists views, but pacifist believe that the general strike is the beginning and the end movements towards classes, post scarcity society. This is in contrast to other libertarian socialist ideals which view the general strike as a crucial step towards classless society, but not the only necessary action.

But, tendencies and the minutia of anarchism aside, the point was that they showed me what was out there, and to a middle class kid that was invigorating.

But there were a tons of amazing bands to come out of crass records that I like more than crass: zounds, omega tribe, flux of pink indians, poison girls, and by extension via Corpus Christi- conflict, rudimentary peni, and crucifix.

Sources- now and after: the abc’s of anarchist communism by berkman 
Revolution and the state: anarchism in the Spanish civil war
Anarchism: a history of libertarian ideas and movements by George woodcock

And me, currently trying to write a book about leftist anti-Bolshevism during the Russian revolution and civil war, concentrating on the Kronstadt rebellion and the Ukrainian free territory
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: johnes on April 06, 2021, 04:39:28 AM
Weezer is one of the best bands of all time and 9 of their 14 albums are really good.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 06, 2021, 06:17:16 AM
the conversation about punk rock being alive or dead is one i could truly get lost in here, and don't really have the time. i will say that i'm with Mr. Stinky, in that you can't just talk about it with regards to the music and culture--historical context (social, political, and economic) is part of it too, right? fuck, where would 1980s punk be without the Reagan family shitting all over the country and world?

i was in isolation throughout most of my early years and really had to explore and discover on my own, and i got ahold of a Toxic Shock mailorder catalogue when i was like 10 or 11, and it's funny how the first few orders i made influenced and determined my tastes indelibly (edit: i literally ordered a number of the first EPs and LPs based on their covers)...here is a seriously random sampling of some oldies but goodies that i played nonstop as a young and aspiring iconoclast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0dLCDLorQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckpros4jW28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_XH_RB5LU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL4WVOOU77M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K0KaTQRbhA

hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sila on April 06, 2021, 06:24:13 AM
Punk most certainly is not dead, FUCK OFF blasphemers!!!!

Yeah most decent band’s have moved on from their initial inception. Sex Pistols were garbage Crass is not garbage, just my opinions though.

Punk is still around and kicking, maybe the scene sucks where you’ll live but that’s where you do something about it!

Yep. All this.

Every year punk produces amazing bands, but mostly it's just music. I find more of the punk ethos these days in some of the smaller D.I.Y. techno and queer scenes and other movements. There's still very close knit anarchist collectives throughout the world. There's still communities claiming space as their own. There's people doing great work in harm-reduction, working with refugees, educating kids in school about consent and gendered violence etc. A lot of people I know that do this work are/or were part of their respective local punk scenes. It's not dead by any means, but it's no longer confined to an isolated scene.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 06, 2021, 11:54:41 AM
"punk is dead" is some dumb boomer shit. It's only gotten better.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 06, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead." 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."

I think we're agreeing with each other dude
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 06, 2021, 12:18:00 PM
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People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."
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I think we're agreeing with each other dude

Yeah, we definitely are.  I'm just trying to set it straight that if you view punk as primarily aesthetic, it's not dead, whereas viewing it in a broader social and political context changes that entirely. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 06, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol



That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 12:59:26 PM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.

Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 06, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8

@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 06, 2021, 01:50:24 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)

cheers Frozen, i had heard both songs and i agree that despite loving the Misfits as is, it would indeed have been "wild and cool" if they had continued on with that set up--how did i not realize there is no guitar until now?

i'm right there with you on Change Today. based off of what you've said in this and other threads, you seem to have a pretty deep knowledge of skate video history, but just in case, Suregrip "Summer Sessions" is one of the reasons this album is especially important to me...this was one of the first videos i actually owned, and i pretty much wore that fucker out from playing it so much...especially the "Terror at Tahoe" part, which--deliciously enough--includes both of the songs you and i have been talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os9JNx4pgs

i love the beginning Del Mar session to "Red Shadows" too!

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on April 06, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
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cheers Frozen, i had heard both songs and i agree that despite loving the Misfits as is, it would indeed have been "wild and cool" if they had continued on with that set up--how did i not realize there is no guitar until now?

i'm right there with you on Change Today. based off of what you've said in this and other threads, you seem to have a pretty deep knowledge of skate video history, but just in case, Suregrip "Summer Sessions" is one of the reasons this album is especially important to me...this was one of the first videos i actually owned, and i pretty much wore that fucker out from playing it so much...especially the "Terror at Tahoe" part, which--deliciously enough--includes both of the songs you and i have been talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os9JNx4pgs

i love the beginning Del Mar session to "Red Shadows" too!
https://youtu.be/d8m1nRzsOJM
Dude TSOL, Sister's of Mercy, Nine Inch Nails, along with Clan of Xymox were in heavy rotation when I was younger.

Before MM became an edgy cringe dork his early albums we're not that bad. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 06, 2021, 05:44:55 PM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.



Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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Post by: aliexpress on April 06, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.

They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Burt Ward on April 06, 2021, 11:07:04 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)

Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 07, 2021, 05:51:35 AM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean


In what context? Because you declared it? Every point you're making is being contradicted. There's no way anybody can pretend you're being close to reasonable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 07, 2021, 06:21:45 AM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
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Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.

Psyched to find out that other people like that TSOL record. And that era of the Misfits. Deputy, I haven't seen Summer Sessions before but I am psyched to watch it this weekend.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 07, 2021, 01:30:23 PM
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk)

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k)
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Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.
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Psyched to find out that other people like that TSOL record. And that era of the Misfits. Deputy, I haven't seen Summer Sessions before but I am psyched to watch it this weekend.

i'm glad you're going to check it out Frozen, but be warned, some of the skits between parts are hard to sit through--it was the early 1980s and all....part of the reason my stepdad and i were always beefed out because i wore out a vcr or two because i was rewinding and fastforwarding all of the time...still, plenty of incredible skating edited to TSOL nonetheless, especially the "Terror at Tahoe" segment...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 07, 2021, 01:57:29 PM
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean
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In what context? Because you declared it? Every point you're making is being contradicted. There's no way anybody can pretend you're being close to reasonable.

lol what's getting contradicted? the material conditions of the world are not the same as they were when punk rock was created and eventually faded out as a movement around 1987. the genre can still get made but that doesn't mean the movement itself is still a living, breathing thing. dressing up like it's 1983 doesn't make it 1983. having a band that sounds like saccharine trust doesn't make you saccharine trust... the world the punk movement was created in response to doesn't exist anymore. are we done here
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on April 07, 2021, 03:14:57 PM
As long as there is bullshit to rage against, young people will still continue making punk. The economic problems of the 70’s and threat of nuclear war gave us the nihilism that sparked punk.

We now have global warming and capitalism ruining every facet of life. Punk is still living in pockets (especially the queer and scenes in other countries, like Indonesia) and will return at some point.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 07, 2021, 04:14:20 PM
man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: numagik on April 07, 2021, 05:28:26 PM
nah there's something there. i'd say the same for nu metal too lol there's my unpopular addition
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 07, 2021, 05:56:10 PM
man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose


No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 07, 2021, 07:23:37 PM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dwyck on April 07, 2021, 08:33:31 PM
the sex pistols were a boy band put together so vivenne westwood could sell clothes. public image was great
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on April 07, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 07, 2021, 08:50:48 PM
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks

I take it you don’t like first wave hardcore or...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2021, 08:53:47 PM
I enjoy a specific handful of punk bands but don't really find the overall sound of punk as a genre to be enjoyable. Deathgrind, grindcore, and black metal are where it's at for me. Blast beats are everything.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Burt Ward on April 07, 2021, 08:56:40 PM
the sex pistols were a boy band put together so vivenne westwood could sell clothes. public image was great

Maybe so, but that is a hell of a rock and roll record.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 07, 2021, 08:57:13 PM
I enjoy a specific handful of punk bands but don't really find the overall sound of punk as a genre to be enjoyable. Deathgrind, grindcore, and black metal are where it's at for me. Blast beats are everything.

Those theee genres are all derivative of hardcore punk.

Personally, I find 98% of 77’s punk boring as shit. But once hardcore hit, there was and still is nothing like it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: beatifk on April 08, 2021, 01:42:23 AM
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks

https://youtu.be/smmkTHk6qC4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 05:31:49 AM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.


What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise.  You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: aliexpress on April 08, 2021, 06:25:11 AM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.
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What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise.  You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.

you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol. I'm not the first person to say punk is dead and I for sure won't be the last. I never said punk started in the 80s either. the point is whizzing past your head so i'm gonna gracefully bow out of this discussion now. peace bro
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 06:38:28 AM
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.
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What valid points? You keep going back to the 80's as if that's where it ended (or even started, for that matter). You keep saying there's no "urgency or meaning" but there are infinite examples that show otherwise.  You keep saying things about "responding to something specific" as if that isn't happening, and it is. You even said to Google search "punk ethos" (lol), and I did and it contradicted everything you said. You can't just say something stupid and say "it's fine, it's my opinion". It's a stupid thing to do and you shouldn't be surprised that it is being criticized.
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you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol. I'm not the first person to say punk is dead and I for sure won't be the last. I never said punk started in the 80s either. the point is whizzing past your head so i'm gonna gracefully bow out of this discussion now. peace bro


So what is the point? I keep bringing things up and you're like "uhh, no".



I don't really care what you think about punk but this kinda thing is a pet peeve of mine. Everytime somebody has an "unpopular opinion" it's usually just an ignorant viewpoint with no real logic behind it. Then when that point is criticized they don't back it and just double down on the "opinion" factor of it as if opinions can't be criticized. I'm calling your point stupid because it lacks substance and logic. I'm calling it stupid because you're ignoring every counterpoint being presented to you. I'm calling it stupid because you're changing the definition of objective terms and expecting people to be on board. (Different=dead is fucking dumb). I'm sure from your end it looks like I'm really worked up about punk but in truth posts like yours bother me a lot because it ruins the nuance of other conversations going on in here. There are lots of people in this thread disagreeing with each other while being reasonable. You are not one of those people.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 08, 2021, 06:54:28 AM
Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 08, 2021, 09:09:08 AM
Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.



This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 09:31:31 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.


I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 08, 2021, 09:52:59 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.

I apologize, I don’t think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasn’t a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 08, 2021, 10:08:18 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.
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I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.

I'd answer this by saying that punk rock was not artistically successful in surviving the attempts to mainstream it, whereas hip-hop was very different in that some of the best hip-hop artists also wound up being quite successful, commercially.  (Why is this? Perhaps punk being made by potential "insiders"--white, often middle-class bohemians--who were disposed to accept mainstream approval, as opposed to hip-hop, which was a product of the perpetually marginalized, who rightly mistrusted mainstream culture, has something to do with it.) There are extremely few artistic and commercial successes in punk, if any, to the point that commercial involvement in punk seems to have led to the original scene dying off and giving rise to more uncompromisingly aggressive or experimental music like hardcore and post-punk in an effort to preserve the ideals of free expression and independence that people read into early punk.   

So the "spirit of punk" or whatever might have lived on through those scenes, but only in aesthetically and ideologically distinct forms.  In that way, the comparison between post-punk and punk or hardcore and punk is probably closer to the comparison between punk and 60s counterculture, in that they might have certain affinities, but they're not exactly in continuity with each other.  Nothing that came out of punk really even sounded like early punk for most of the 80s, until there was a sort of revival in the 90s and 00s which has continued and gotten richer to this day, which suggests that it wasn't particularly lively for most of that time.

I apologize, I don’t think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasn’t a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.

No apologies necessary, dude, and thanks for the kind word.  I'm a huge music and politics dork, so this type of discussion is a lot of fun for me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 08, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
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Every generation has its punk, they form as a reaction to different material conditions.

The labor movement were the anarcho punks

The flappers/suffragettes were the original riot grrrls

The beat movement

The original counter culture movement

77s punk

American Hardcore/Chicago house music

There’s a million examples but saying punk is dead is minimizing the importance of resistance to conditions, and confining it to just one example. I love crass, but they were referring to the death of punk as resistance, and it’s commercialization. Which is ironic because chumbawamba was originally on crass records.

Punk isn’t dead, it’s just different.


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This actually proves the whole "punk is dead" point.  The labor movement in much of the world has been deradicalized and brought to heel by multinational corporations.  There are no flappers in 2021.  The beat movement was a flash in the pan.  The Chicago house scene is mostly felt in terms of its influence in other forms of music and its radical roots in queer culture are largely unknown to most people who appreciate the music it influenced.  First-wave punk was subsumed and commodified by major labels as "new wave", leading to the post-punk and hardcore scenes, which were largely critical of first-wave punk from an ideological standpoint.  Modern day "77 punk" pantomimes an era that had already passed before most of its participants were even born, which is the sort of cheap nostalgia punk rock rebelled against in the first place. 

The so-called "punk ethos" was never specific to punk and in fact demonstrably predates punk, so defining all of those social phenomena in relation to punk reflects an aesthetic preference for punk rock more than it does the (illusory) reality of a living punk movement.  Punk is dead, if it ever even lived in the first place.
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I actually agree with this, but I still don't see how that makes punk "dead". "Punk" is so vague and, as we all seem to agree on, is a lot different than it used to be. If your point is that the ethics associated with punk aren't specific to the actual music, then sure, that's true. But that doesn't mean that's not happening. You can make similar points about hip hop: a once countercultural movement that has now largely been commodified by popular media. But that doesn't mean its DIY origins aren't still present, and it certainly doesn't mean it no longer carries relevant social topics. Will it be dead when it is no longer as popular? As long as there are still people pushing it even a micro level, hell no.
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I'd answer this by saying that punk rock was not artistically successful in surviving the attempts to mainstream it, whereas hip-hop was very different in that some of the best hip-hop artists also wound up being quite successful, commercially.  (Why is this? Perhaps punk being made by potential "insiders"--white, often middle-class bohemians--who were disposed to accept mainstream approval, as opposed to hip-hop, which was a product of the perpetually marginalized, who rightly mistrusted mainstream culture, has something to do with it.) There are extremely few artistic and commercial successes in punk, if any, to the point that commercial involvement in punk seems to have led to the original scene dying off and giving rise to more uncompromisingly aggressive or experimental music like hardcore and post-punk in an effort to preserve the ideals of free expression and independence that people read into early punk.   

So the "spirit of punk" or whatever might have lived on through those scenes, but only in aesthetically and ideologically distinct forms.  In that way, the comparison between post-punk and punk or hardcore and punk is probably closer to the comparison between punk and 60s counterculture, in that they might have certain affinities, but they're not exactly in continuity with each other.  Nothing that came out of punk really even sounded like early punk for most of the 80s, until there was a sort of revival in the 90s and 00s which has continued and gotten richer to this day, which suggests that it wasn't particularly lively for most of that time.

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I apologize, I don’t think I was concise on my post. For the sake of conversation I was correlating different radical movements/periods of time to show that it wasn’t a the only instance of rebellion that embraced relatively subversive (for the times) values. Regardless of my opinion on the life and death of punk, I appreciate your post. Would gnar if I could.
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No apologies necessary, dude, and thanks for the kind word.  I'm a huge music and politics dork, so this type of discussion is a lot of fun for me.



What do you mean by "artistically successful"? Like do you think its commodification (which I would argue could be pinned to Nirvana's Nevermind) had a poor impact on smaller bands/scenes in terms of their actual art? Because the way I see it, for every Hollywood Records throwing truckloads of cash at the hot punk band making their platinum record, there'll always be an Asian Man Records who use their modest platform to put out interesting records and beget action via anti-racist compilations/fundraisers/etc. It may be eclectic and niche, but I think there's always some form of that which will always be around even if it changes drastically.






Also just wanna throw out that even though we're disagreeing, I think you're being reasonable and this is a fun conversation.
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Post by: Sila on April 08, 2021, 11:52:06 AM
As long as there is bullshit to rage against, young people will still continue making punk. The economic problems of the 70’s and threat of nuclear war gave us the nihilism that sparked punk.

We now have global warming and capitalism ruining every facet of life. Punk is still living in pockets (especially the queer and scenes in other countries, like Indonesia) and will return at some point.

I'm half Indonesian. The scene there is awesome and people are really dedicated, it's something special. I miss my buds there big time.
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Post by: brycickle on April 08, 2021, 01:21:46 PM


you can't just call things stupid because you don't agree with them lol.
Wrong. I do it all the time.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 08, 2021, 06:17:23 PM
...just in case it didn't come through loud and clear above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckpros4jW28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMy-cxFDINM

"better youth organization"
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Post by: LordManHammer on April 09, 2021, 06:05:14 AM
Punk ethos doesn't necessarily have to be punk music derivative, such as Billy Holiday and Nina Simone and other person's of color who stuck their fingers to the man in an act of defiance to the oppressors.
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Post by: Huell Howser on April 13, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 13, 2021, 08:00:20 AM
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals

THANK YOU
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Post by: LordManHammer on April 13, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
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THANK YOU
https://youtu.be/cY3oGfiJTpI

Fuck Ben Weasel and FUCK LED ZEPPELIN!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on April 16, 2021, 06:27:28 PM
if punk is dead then consider me miles davis
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 17, 2021, 07:50:07 AM
The damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on April 17, 2021, 07:57:18 AM
The damned are the most influential of the 77s punk bands.

copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 17, 2021, 08:30:17 AM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0

This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48
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Post by: Glue Reed on April 17, 2021, 08:36:34 PM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48

Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..

This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on April 18, 2021, 01:30:36 AM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48
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Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..

This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)

now were talkin! fuckin great band
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Post by: LordManHammer on April 18, 2021, 05:28:45 AM
https://youtu.be/OAvy4HtAkjY
I love pub rock, these guys just get me.
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Post by: LordManHammer on April 18, 2021, 05:41:20 AM
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copy that! i fucking love the Damned...this has been on repeat a bunch lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0och2Q_zg

but so has this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7C-rzI0cy0
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This guy gets it!

This shit still fires me the fuck up.
End to end, just a perfect record.
https://youtu.be/1hBwEUGoi48
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Damned Damned Damned is definitely the best of the UK 77 pack..

This single came out before Never Mind the Bollocks, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPowvspa4BI)
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now were talkin! fuckin great band
I mean whoever really put the sex pistols in the annals of "punk history"  is a fucking toolbag with rocks for brains. 

So what you had been touted as the new fad, it was a joke at best. alongside with Sid Vicious he could've had a great career maybe with another outfit but then again he was stupid as fuck too.

There's so many better bands that had come out beforehand and right alongside their Bollocks album.

In no way is this list of accurate of SP albums release but I can list a fuckload of better bands that came out either beforehand or at the time.

The Damned
Dead Boys
The Exploited
Cocksparrer
The Business
Clash
Zounds
Flux Of Pink Indians
The Mob

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IUTSM on April 18, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
Joe Strummer sez "In fact, punk rock means EXEMPLARY MANNERS TO YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING. Fuck being an asshole, what you pricks thought it was twenty years ago. It's totally just dawned on me. These interviews are good because it makes you think. 'Cause otherwise you go to sleep and watch the Rider's Cup or something."
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Post by: skate_or_dingus on May 05, 2021, 08:48:19 AM
Embryonic is the Flaming Lips' masterpiece.
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Post by: bob george on May 07, 2021, 04:07:58 AM
with the exception of a few songs, I can't stand led zeppelin because of Robert Plant's vocals

i have a very distinct memory of being like 9 or 10 and hearing Led Zeppelin for the first time and being super into almost all of the songs until he would start singing and then just thinking it was total shit and that he was ruining everything.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on July 02, 2021, 07:17:08 AM
bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
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Post by: Frank on July 02, 2021, 07:42:29 AM
bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?

yeah it's weird. i always thought the growlers suck. most bands playing this type of music are just super boring and they seem to contrast it with the vague gothness to make it more interesting.

but i like sex church, i think you could call them surf goth.

this is still the best surf-goth track oat to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InpYJv-Pe3U
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 02, 2021, 07:51:07 AM
The surfy goth stuff doesn't inherently bother me but I've yet to find any that I consider remarkably exciting.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on July 02, 2021, 08:39:23 AM
bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?

i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?
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Post by: Glue Reed on July 02, 2021, 08:47:54 AM
Chris Isaak has being doing this for awhile:

 http://youtu.be/OIkPvBcbQYI (http://youtu.be/OIkPvBcbQYI)

His stuff is definitely worth a listen if you’ve never checked it out.
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Post by: Frank on July 02, 2021, 09:00:53 AM
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I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
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i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?

i think the whole thing has more to do with mixing contradictory vibes and aesthetics than certain bands or waves in genres influencing the sound.

i mean agent orange and wipers had surf influences for sure, but i blame that on territory and/or the fact that they had not as broad a range of genres back then they could be influenced from. as an early punk band you most likely were influenced by fast and rugged rockn roll, glam rock, surf and then stuff like velvet underground or even funk and soul that was played with lots of temp and energy.

to me the surf-goth thing seems like it's mostly done by people who are actually not that much invested in either surf or goth. more like garage-indie rockers having this ironic idea of making music that at first evokes memories of sunny beaches, waves and bad ass surfers, but they turn the dramatic parts into dread and try to infuse it with gloom and apathy. the mental picture to me is a dead beach that has always bad weather, very murky water, kind of like the dogtown ocean park surf spot on a very gloomy day.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on July 02, 2021, 09:41:05 AM
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I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
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i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?
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i think the whole thing has more to do with mixing contradictory vibes and aesthetics than certain bands or waves in genres influencing the sound.

i mean agent orange and wipers had surf influences for sure, but i blame that on territory and/or the fact that they had not as broad a range of genres back then they could be influenced from. as an early punk band you most likely were influenced by fast and rugged rockn roll, glam rock, surf and then stuff like velvet underground or even funk and soul that was played with lots of temp and energy.

to me the surf-goth thing seems like it's mostly done by people who are actually not that much invested in either surf or goth. more like garage-indie rockers having this ironic idea of making music that at first evokes memories of sunny beaches, waves and bad ass surfers, but they turn the dramatic parts into dread and try to infuse it with gloom and apathy. the mental picture to me is a dead beach that has always bad weather, very murky water, kind of like the dogtown ocean park surf spot on a very gloomy day.

funny thing reading this--have you ever heard of Further? if you were buying vinyl in the early to mid 1990s, they were in the record bins at points, and they were definitely playing around with a surfy kind of thing...case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xtgrNNVnTc

i dug/dig their lo-fi thing, but my friends mostly thought they were pretty "after the fact" when it came to 1990s "indie" music. i've never taken the time to look up any lyrics, so i don't know if they convey "gloom and apathy," but this one seems to, even if the music does not really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJubJYkH0g

this is one of my favorites from them, and it does not seem very gloomy...in fact, it seems "very sparkly"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIOQW2NvJvc
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Post by: Frank on July 02, 2021, 08:46:13 PM
great post deputy, definetly a good example of the mood i described, but certainly more 90sish in the sense that it still sounds like quirky 90s indie rock to me, sort of like polvo with a surfy vibe, very cool.

i guess the 10s surf rock thing leans more into the repetitive, treble heavy post punk goth guitar sound and straight up mixes it with slowed down surf rythms, which i think is much more derivative and formulaic than creating that mood and associations more freely and then landing into ones own niche of contemporary indie sounds.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on July 04, 2021, 12:59:25 PM
Some great links being posted here and it all but confirms my distaste for the current wave of bands emulating (or trying) this sound. It’s been years since I’d listened to Agent Orange so thanks for the reminder up there.


Kinda unrelated but I’ve been in a silly mood musically - any of y’all like The Dickies or Toy Dolls? If you listen to them in the context of having a silly time - they fucking rip.


http://youtu.be/ucLrGZv6z5Q

http://youtu.be/QaYCaaWtrTc
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Post by: doublesteveburger on October 06, 2021, 10:38:54 AM
I don’t like Black Sabbath
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 06, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
I like the toy dolls enough, good fun band. I had a friend in 8th grade that was fucking obsessed with them though. I distinctly remember his mom driving us in her Prius to the mall to watch hitchhikers guide to the galaxy the day it came out and my buddy had burned a cd that was comprised of his favorite tracks from dig that groove baby and a few other records, but each song was on their twice in a row.

My hot take, The Damned are the absolute best first wave punk band and like one of four 77’s bands that I will ever give a fuck about.
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Post by: Easy Slider on October 06, 2021, 02:44:33 PM
I loved the Toy Dolls but only the stuff until 1990.
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Post by: Hinna on October 06, 2021, 06:50:28 PM
the beatles. cringe
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Post by: fredgallSOTY on October 06, 2021, 09:39:53 PM
i was a big galaxie 500 fan for years and then i realized today that 90% of their songs are really boring to me and i always skip them and other bands did that shit so much better
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Post by: thebacker on October 07, 2021, 05:58:06 AM
The red hot chili peppers suck
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 07, 2021, 06:03:28 AM
The red hot chili peppers suck
I doubt anyone on here is really going to defend them, maybe mothers milk era but even then… pretty pukey
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 07, 2021, 02:24:13 PM
I think knocked loose and turnstile are trash.

Sorry everyone
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Post by: Hinna on October 07, 2021, 03:34:07 PM
The red hot chili peppers suck
douchey fake chill surfer vibes. frat bros think theyre deep
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Post by: LordManHammer on October 07, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
I think The Cure sucks, I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I jut don’t like their sappy stuff at all.
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Post by: Hinna on October 07, 2021, 05:14:49 PM
hardcore just makes me cringe now. bunch of angry bald tough tattooed guys screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever. the cure is kooky too. thats not to say i havent seen them live but that was a lifetime ago back in high school
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Post by: rawr1922 on October 07, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
I think The Cure sucks, I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I jut don’t like their sappy stuff at all.
Same. Also Morrissey sucks. The Smiths super overrated however I like the song "Big Mouth Strikes Again"
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Post by: cucktard on October 07, 2021, 05:21:00 PM
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember
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Post by: skate_or_dingus on October 08, 2021, 03:26:46 AM
hardcore just makes me cringe now. bunch of angry bald tough tattooed guys screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever. the cure is kooky too. thats not to say i havent seen them live but that was a lifetime ago back in high school

 I've always had difficulty getting into hardcore because of the scene that surrounds it. Buncha meatheads that want to seem more inclusive than they actually are (yes, I know that not every hardcore fan is a jock, but there is an obnoxious surplus of 'em).
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Post by: burm on October 08, 2021, 07:34:32 AM
I mean it's perfectly fine and normal to not get into every genre of music or band, but that doesn't automatically mean it sucks? I don't find enjoyment in most genres of electronic music / techno / whatever, but I don't think the people who do are wrong. Maybe that's an unpopular opinion in the context of this thread already?

Sharing the aversion to hardcore as many above. It just feels very simplistic and lacking any nuance to me. I don't know, is Hatebreed consider anywhere near hardcore? I can occasionally get into them a little at a time because it's to upfront and in your face vocals wise, but even then it gets very repetitive fast.

I'm a big Morrissey fan and even recently have been listening to a lot of his stuff but I do admit that the newest records kinda sounds like his off his rocker and the magic fades a bit and you start to think was he actually always just babbling on about nonsense? But in any case I tend to think less negatively and binary about music and other entertainment nowadays, like there's so much of it available that everyone has something to enjoy and the rest you can just leave for the other people.

Even Red Hot Chili Peppers, I read "no one will defend them" and thought sounds about right but then got to thinking about it like sure they've had enough radio play over the decades that I have no interest in ever hearing those popular songs ever again, but just like Guns'n'Roses they used to be cool back in the day and what changed is they got more popular and played out but they were doing their thing and so as a test I picked one of their records at random and looked for a song I didn't recognise to get a fresh view and you know you can probably tell I've had a couple of beers at the office since it's been a tough week at work and now actually everyone else has left already so maybe it doesn't make any sense to sit here alone drinking beer and typing a message to Slap on a Friday night.

I find myself wanting to end messages with a Shalom now more than every and I feel it's a shame that was taken away from us since it became a real positive thing in my eyes.
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Post by: LordManHammer on October 08, 2021, 07:58:09 AM
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth he’s weird but I like it.
Biggie c’mon buddy that’s a no brainer
Dystopia bruv you’re killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

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Made a few notes from my own opinions,  Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.

For me I hate those bands that just don’t quite get it, they’re in a vein of something good but it’s either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags we’re original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when it’s not necessary.


Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you!
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Post by: Glue Reed on October 08, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth he’s weird but I like it.
Biggie c’mon buddy that’s a no brainer
Dystopia bruv you’re killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember
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Made a few notes from my own opinions,  Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.

For me I hate those bands that just don’t quite get it, they’re in a vein of something good but it’s either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags we’re original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when it’s not necessary.


Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you!

It’s weird to me you would think this about black flag because they’re not meatheads whatsoever… maybe Rollins kinda became one later on during his solo years with his weightlifting and seriousness but he was never a dumb meathead.  Black Flag were mostly scrawny nerdy guys who ended up having this huge meathead scene surround them, but the principal characters (Ginn, Dukowski, Robo, Kira, Dez, Morris) we’re just awkward punk rock weirdos.


I always loved that Greg Ginn’s favorite band was the Grateful Dead.

I don’t understand how anybody can not get into Black Flag or Mot�ad (at least the first 4 albums).
 
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Post by: LordManHammer on October 08, 2021, 09:00:43 PM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag meathead tough guys
The Minutemen intellectual dipshits with weird mustaches
Motorhead I understand their later stuff
Husker Du never cared for them
Kool Kieth he’s weird but I like it.
Biggie c’mon buddy that’s a no brainer
Dystopia bruv you’re killing me
Amebix the singer is a Holocaust denier
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember
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Made a few notes from my own opinions,  Dystopia is and always be my favorite even if was farting in a mic I like that band the rest are give or take.

For me I hate those bands that just don’t quite get it, they’re in a vein of something good but it’s either too much one way or overtly corny in another way, for example CroMags we’re original and forgo their later work but bands like Hatebreed and anything else is trying to reinvent the wheel and sound even tougher when it’s not necessary.


Also I cannot stand suicidal tendencies something about their delivery is too late, great you wanted a Pepsi niwnfuck off the lot of you!
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It’s weird to me you would think this about black flag because they’re not meatheads whatsoever… maybe Rollins kinda became one later on during his solo years with his weightlifting and seriousness but he was never a dumb meathead.  Black Flag were mostly scrawny nerdy guys who ended up having this huge meathead scene surround them, but the principal characters (Ginn, Dukowski, Robo, Kira, Dez, Morris) we’re just awkward punk rock weirdos.


I always loved that Greg Ginn’s favorite band was the Grateful Dead.

I don’t understand how anybody can not get into Black Flag or Mot�ad (at least the first 4 albums).
 
I really honestly don’t know why I consider them meathead music I I get like the first four fucking albums were like super good especially Keith Morrison and Dez Cadena.

Just like suicidal and other hard-core bands at the time there is a super fan of the bags that I just don’t like I understand get when I think of like black flag more specifically Henry Rollins I think of cops and having the black flag bars or cops with the misfit skull like that’s what I think of when I think of like those bands.

Cops meat head bands Hatebreed sick of it all I mean let’s let’s be honest how many times can you re-invent a fucking wheel Cro-Mags gangrene agnostic front they all like where the progenitors of those meathead bands yes they have a Lotta good albums specially more specifically the fair first two or three albums but anything after sounds like he’s trying to catch lightning in a bottle fuck that shit

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on October 08, 2021, 09:22:42 PM
I can't really get with Gojira.

GWAR is also very meh to me, being a Richmonder that sounds kinda blasphemous but the music has always just been kinda corny to me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 08, 2021, 09:24:59 PM
I under what you’re saying, el fap, and too a degree I’m inclined to agree with you. Most heavy music is just variations of a theme. But through those variations we find shit that sticks out to us.

 Like, I know a lot of youth crew dudes that would agree 100% that all youth crew bands are just trying to be youth of today, but some do it better than others, and some do it better than the originators. I’ll never willingly put on youth of today, but I fucking adore chain of strength and judge.

Also, I gotta give you credit because you listed off a lot of guilty pleasure bands of mine, specifically hatebreed and sick of it all.

But don’t sleep on modern hardcore, because they’re is a lot of great shit coming out. In my opinion, I’d rather be catching some of these bands come up now than the ones I got to see when I was growing up. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 09, 2021, 01:54:08 AM
There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember

yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I don’t really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), I’ve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genre…
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on October 09, 2021, 02:33:09 AM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember

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yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I don’t really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), I’ve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genre…

Motorhead were never a metal band, they were a rock n roll band, theyre just really really fuckin loud!
Theres a swing to a lot of their tunes that you dont get in metal.. i agree with you GISM, I hardly ever listen to metal these days, it gets so dull so fast but Motorhead are one of my all time faviurite bands
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 09, 2021, 02:59:23 AM
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There are a few bands that are considered popular and cool, but no matter how hard I try to get into them, I just can’t (except maybe for a couple of songs)

Black Flag
The Minutemen
Motorhead
Husker Du
Kool Kieth
Biggie
Dystopia
Amebix
Anything Screamo
Most modern Hardcore
Tegan and Sarah
Pretty much all metal. I just can’t.

Will add more later as I remember

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yes to black flag, amebix, Motorhead, husked du. I don’t really get dystopia either so I know why our musical tastes line up so well.
The only metal music I can do thrash (and a few grind core bands, mostly with more punk roots), I’ve tried to dabble in black metal but I fail to get the appeal in most cases. When I was a teenager I actually thought it was a joke genre…
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Motorhead were never a metal band, they were a rock n roll band, theyre just really really fuckin loud!
Theres a swing to a lot of their tunes that you dont get in metal.. i agree with you GISM, I hardly ever listen to metal these days, it gets so dull so fast but Motorhead are one of my all time faviurite bands

In almost all the bands I listed, there are maybe a few songs I like, but not enough to get to dig deeper. Whenever I try (and for some of them I really did), I just don’t vibe with the general aesthetic enough.

Actually, a lot of late Bob Marley too, for that matter. If I listen to reggae, I hardly ever put on Bob.

One weird exception to my tastes is Disrupt.
I generally can’t listen to crust, but something about their melodies… I can’t put my finger on it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 09, 2021, 05:40:56 AM
Yeah, I tried so many times with amebix, I should love them but every time I’m just like, hmmm It just doesn’t grab me!
Never really listened to disrupt, may have to check them out. What’s a good entry point?

Swallowing Shit are hands down my fav grind band. Im also not a huge power violence fan but love Spazz, go figure …
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 09, 2021, 06:44:15 AM
Try this

https://youtu.be/c7iPHYTD_Kw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Glue Reed on October 09, 2021, 07:21:30 AM
Man… Amebix “Arise” is a flawless album.  Just the dark, apocalyptic vibe is what most crust/UK82 bands go for but don’t come close.  They aren’t really a crust band in ‘sound’ though.  Axe man is such a killer opening song:

 http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo (http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo)

Pretty tarnished by their singers Holocaust denial though. 

Personally, I like hardcore that’s just lightning speed punk rock… fast, snotty and not a trace of metal. 

 http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE (http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE)

 http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8 (http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8)

 http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8 (http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on October 09, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
I love Coldplay
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on October 09, 2021, 09:32:36 AM
I listen to Christian metal and rap.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on October 09, 2021, 10:40:01 AM
Man… Amebix “Arise” is a flawless album.  Just the dark, apocalyptic vibe is what most crust/UK82 bands go for but don’t come close.  They aren’t really a crust band in ‘sound’ though.  Axe man is such a killer opening song:

 http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo (http://youtu.be/2QzdubnPPCo)

Pretty tarnished by their singers Holocaust denial though. 

Personally, I like hardcore that’s just lightning speed punk rock… fast, snotty and not a trace of metal. 

 http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE (http://youtu.be/-I8XF1FjzmE)

 http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8 (http://youtu.be/LlCSSt8jdN8)

 http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8 (http://youtu.be/DH0bXimQqM8)
The power remains and Arise were my favorite album’s and still are. When I heard about The Baron being a denier was a deep hurt I felt as that band helped me through a lot of pain as a kid.

I realize over the years the same bands here and there aren’t as poignant and great as they use to be.

Gwar was cool as an angsty kid and their vhs’s were kinda cool but then again so was GG Allin and I look back and roll my eyes &#128064; in disgust.

I’ve definitely heard a shit load of bands via traveling and just being right place right time much to my chagrin some of those same band’s I wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole.

I really hate Led Zeppelin and those big arena band’s Def Leopard Scorpions pretty much those terrible hair cock rock bands suck ass.

GNR, Motley Crue, Europe, never been a fan of that ilk, I like Judas Priest but but the latter band’s are trash.

So someone mentioned they didn’t understand Dystopia, I’ll try to explain my fascination with them.

They’ve got a great sound of blending sludge doom and crusty metal, the self loathing and depression really resonates with me some of the misanthropy I’ve felt over the years as well is quite resounding in their music.

Some people can agree and some not \__<o-0>__/ it’s not my business to convince others my preference but I would say if you’re not in to the crusty stuff try listening to their self titled album the last one and it’s more death metal than sludge/doom.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Tear Up a Trick on October 09, 2021, 02:25:38 PM
Kim Deal is the second best bassist the Pixies have had.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 11, 2021, 07:22:16 PM
rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit. that 1 good joey badass song is the last i remember
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 11, 2021, 09:31:17 PM
rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
preach!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 11, 2021, 10:43:53 PM
Y’all are sleeping on some incredible rap
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ok boomer on October 12, 2021, 06:59:39 AM
I've been listening to punk/ hardcore since... 1985 I think? or 1984? My unpopular opinions are:
-I don't like the Ramones. I've always not liked them. I know they influenced this and that, but they do exactly 0 for me. I even saw them in 1990 I think, because all my buds were so hyped, but I just stood there trying to count how many songs may be left.
-Also not that big on the Clash. There are some songs that I like, but just not into them overall and own 0.
-Not sure if this is a thing or not, but I've seen (online and in real life) that it is "cool" to say Ron Reyes is the best Black Flag singer. I think he was easily the worst. I do think Rollins was the best (Damaged), but the music changed a lot during his tenure. The 1982 demos with him singing are awesome. (also a big fan of Dez singing and Keith Morris too, but Ron I could not stand)
-PiL was a great band. Way more interesting than the Pistols were, although I was a fan.

Again, everyone's different and those are my opinions. I know my distaste of the Ramones has been deemed sacrilege, but what are you gonna do? If you don't like it, you don't like it. I've been in a lot of stupid arguments over the years for that one, usually with the :
"How can you not like the Ramones?"
"Easily" - me


I'm way more into the UK82 style (Exploited, GBH, Discharge, Broken Bones) and old Hardcore punk stuff (Minor Threat, Cro-Mags, old Agnostic Front, Sheer Terror, Circle Jerks, 7 Seconds, Adolescents, old Suicidal) and also the Accused, Septic Death, Napalm Death.. oh and Dystopia also! BUT also.. i love 80s music (Duran Duran, Alphaville, A-Ha, the Smiths etc) and 70s classic rock stuff (Marshall Tucker Band, Skynyrd etc) AND Beethoven as well. Also my favorite band of all time is probably Pink Floyd so there is that too.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 12, 2021, 07:43:10 AM
Kim Deal is the second best bassist the Pixies have had.

I kinda roll my eyes at people who praise her. Nothing against her at all, but I don't feel like she contributed as much to their sound as some claim. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 12, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didn’t yet know you liked.

Debating the merits of 30-40 year old bands and albums seems pretty useless to me unless you are doing an essay about it for your Music History class.

Unpopular opinion? Or should we discuss whether moving to Coral Records was better or worse for Buddy Holly’s sound?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on October 12, 2021, 09:15:42 AM
Y’all are sleeping on some incredible rap
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs
I back this, for those who are complaining about not finding something new you’ll are not going deep enough there’s always something new you haven’t heard before if you can dig deep in the rabbit hole.

Sure it’s not popular but I’ve heard a great number of underground artists needing their comeup.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 12, 2021, 09:44:26 AM
There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didn’t yet know you liked.

And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!

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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!

I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on October 12, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Y’all are sleeping on some incredible rap
https://youtu.be/v0eeGun4dcs

I love Freddie's production but man he might be the worst rapper to come out of the underground over the past decade.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 12, 2021, 10:49:24 AM
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There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didn’t yet know you liked.
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And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!

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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!
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I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
I have been very much enjoying RTJ in the recent years, I think they represent something that is different and fresh and current and they can put you in a good head nodding mood and then bum you out on some real shit you needed to hear too. To me they are very mainstream so I imagine everyone would be aware of them but just in case someone doesn't know what I'm talking about I'll link a song below.

But yeah I've fallen of the rap wagon while getting older too, mumble rap and autotune crap and all that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sff7Kc77QAY
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 12, 2021, 10:56:25 AM
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There is literally new music coming out every day, from whatever genre you could imagine and from bands you didn’t yet know you liked.
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And it's easier than ever to find and listen to it!

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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!
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I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
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But yeah I've fallen of the rap wagon while getting older too, mumble rap and autotune crap and all that.


Well, more precisely the US rap wagon, been paying more attention on local and euro stuff
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 12, 2021, 12:35:00 PM
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rap in the last 15 years or so really went to shit.
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preach!
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I don't know. I just don't listen to rap, and what I hear isn't what I used to like. Doesn't mean there aren't still plenty of good new rappers out there, I just don't know about them. I could be wrong, but this goes back to the first point.

I feel like I'm too old for rap now. Rap is a young mans genre, and while I can still enjoy the stuff I grew up with (mid 90's-late 00's), I have no interest in finding new rappers. So many things that made rap exciting when I was a teen are things I have absolutely no interest in as a boring mid 30s dude.

Lyrics in general are lost on me. I don't care what you say as long as everything sounds good. Rap to me is the only genre where lyrics matter.
i hear ya

and yep ramones and the clash are pretty cringe. its mostly posers who rock their shirts too
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 12, 2021, 01:30:58 PM
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.

Prefab Sprout is one of the most underrated bands of all time.

Danzig's output outside of The Misfits isn't as good as The Misfits, but The Misfits stuff that Danzig recorded solo is the best Misfits.

Disclose is better than Discharge.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on October 12, 2021, 03:04:39 PM
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.

Prefab Sprout is one of the most underrated bands of all time.

Danzig's output outside of The Misfits isn't as good as The Misfits, but The Misfits stuff that Danzig recorded solo is the best Misfits.

Disclose is better than Discharge.
I back this, I wouldn’t say New Order is superior to Joy Division but New Order is definitely talented.

Disclose is very much superior to Discharge.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: smellsdead on October 12, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
ive never jumped on the gbv, pavement, or replacements train.

they just dont do it for me
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 12, 2021, 05:58:27 PM
Ramones are very meh, I back that one hard!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on October 12, 2021, 07:47:06 PM
Probably been said on here already, but New Order is superior to Joy Division. I feel like a lot of younger people recognize this, but it is something I've noticed a lot of old heads get bummed on.


I think the hard part with Joy Division is that they released all their best songs as singles, so their albums, which I like, aren't "great" when they could have been.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 13, 2021, 09:53:50 AM
 Glad to see the Clash hate in here. Although they got some good traxx, i would gladly have them not exist if it meant dumb shit they inspired also didn't exist. IE rancid, etc....i do actually really like mick jones though. i just maybe think joe strummer sucks. who was that guy on enjoi with the fedora? he prob wears that terrible fedora cause of strummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8zs898lr4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on October 13, 2021, 03:33:40 PM
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??

I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board

aight back to hot takes

I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 13, 2021, 04:40:23 PM
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??

I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board

aight back to hot takes

I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me

he def rips but fedoras...c'mon....unforgivable
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 13, 2021, 04:42:04 PM
Glad to see the Clash hate in here. Although they got some good traxx, i would gladly have them not exist if it meant dumb shit they inspired also didn't exist. IE rancid, etc....i do actually really like mick jones though. i just maybe think joe strummer sucks. who was that guy on enjoi with the fedora? he prob wears that terrible fedora cause of strummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8zs898lr4
this song was made for you!
https://youtu.be/1JZd3TaRLxs
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 13, 2021, 04:42:12 PM
I've been listening to punk/ hardcore since... 1985 I think? or 1984? My unpopular opinions are:
-I don't like the Ramones. I've always not liked them. I know they influenced this and that, but they do exactly 0 for me. I even saw them in 1990 I think, because all my buds were so hyped, but I just stood there trying to count how many songs may be left.
-Also not that big on the Clash. There are some songs that I like, but just not into them overall and own 0.
-Not sure if this is a thing or not, but I've seen (online and in real life) that it is "cool" to say Ron Reyes is the best Black Flag singer. I think he was easily the worst. I do think Rollins was the best (Damaged), but the music changed a lot during his tenure. The 1982 demos with him singing are awesome. (also a big fan of Dez singing and Keith Morris too, but Ron I could not stand)
-PiL was a great band. Way more interesting than the Pistols were, although I was a fan.

Again, everyone's different and those are my opinions. I know my distaste of the Ramones has been deemed sacrilege, but what are you gonna do? If you don't like it, you don't like it. I've been in a lot of stupid arguments over the years for that one, usually with the :
"How can you not like the Ramones?"
"Easily" - me


I'm way more into the UK82 style (Exploited, GBH, Discharge, Broken Bones) and old Hardcore punk stuff (Minor Threat, Cro-Mags, old Agnostic Front, Sheer Terror, Circle Jerks, 7 Seconds, Adolescents, old Suicidal) and also the Accused, Septic Death, Napalm Death.. oh and Dystopia also! BUT also.. i love 80s music (Duran Duran, Alphaville, A-Ha, the Smiths etc) and 70s classic rock stuff (Marshall Tucker Band, Skynyrd etc) AND Beethoven as well. Also my favorite band of all time is probably Pink Floyd so there is that too.

what you think of this one?

gram parsons covered it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo50GpVWxBQ
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ok boomer on October 14, 2021, 07:17:01 AM
That's a good jam right there. Thanks for reminding of those G's.
Funny thing for me when I listen to 70's stuff is I almost automatically light a cig and wish I was still care free enough to smoke ganja and drink. I am assuming part of it, is it reminds me of my dad's style.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 14, 2021, 08:23:31 AM
lmao you mean Jason Adams^^^??

I can admit that fedora phase is rough but he is one of the best to ever step on a board

aight back to hot takes

I don't care much for Bob Dylan. I don't "hate" him and I can kinda respect how he is prolific but his music does nothin' for me
bob dylan johnny cash and tom waits. they do nothing for me
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 14, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
Bob Dylan is probably the most overrated musician ever. He can’t sing, his tunes are terrible, and every single one of them without exception is about 3 minutes longer than it needs to be. He’s definitely lucky he was “of a certain time and place”, because that shit is objectively terrible.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 14, 2021, 01:26:09 PM
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now it’s time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.

All are better than the Descendents.

Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the “band” for you.

EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, let’s have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, let’s do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and I’ll show you a god damn liar.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Glue Reed on October 15, 2021, 07:07:07 AM
You don’t like Bad Brains, Crass or Eyehategod but you listen to All?

I think you just have shitty taste in music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on October 15, 2021, 09:17:41 AM
hahahaha^

@HeavyAndExpensive just showed their cards and now everything they say holds no weight

can't talk shit on eyehategod and be backing ALL

alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 15, 2021, 10:04:40 AM
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now it’s time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.

All are better than the Descendents.

Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the “band” for you.

EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, let’s have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, let’s do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and I’ll show you a god damn liar.


I think this is great. I love bad brains, but 100% get the 311 connection. I actually used to like 311 back in middle school. Honestly I think I just liked their logo, never truly loved the music. I found bad brains after I stopped listening to 311 and had to laugh like "311 stole their sound from bad brains, but the bad bad brains".

I personally think anything over 40 minutes is to long for an album. Anything over an hour can go fuck itself.

Also, I'm sure most people here will agree, but Pearl Jam fucking sucks with no redeeming qualities.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 15, 2021, 11:29:15 AM
I’m going to gnar anyone who critiques a band who put out at least a song this decade
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on October 15, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
i want to jump in on the bob dylan hating.

it's not that i hate the guy. but i for sure don't dig his music. what annoys me even more so are the bob dylan superfans that think he's like the best musician of all time. legit had several times people tell me bullshit like bob dylan actually invented rap, bob dylan actually invented this and wrote that, did you know this movie was inspired by this phrase allegedly said by bob dylan to some bum, bla bla bla. just total crap they pull out the air to legitimize their adoration. i get it, you love bob dylan. stop making up shit just to steamroll me into admitting any sort of respect for your opinion.

this goes for pretty much any type of obsessive superfan whatsoever, but there seem to be more bob dylan types out there than, say, david bowie obsessives.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on October 15, 2021, 12:53:58 PM
Bob Dylan is probably the most overrated musician ever. He can’t sing, his tunes are terrible, and every single one of them without exception is about 3 minutes longer than it needs to be. He’s definitely lucky he was “of a certain time and place”, because that shit is objectively terrible.

Holy fuck finally. Dude sells himself as raw and authentic and sold out to any brand willing to give him money for crusty as placements. His singing is literally shaggy from scooby doo with unnecessary vocal cry to mask his nasal pitch. No wonder he was Steve Jobs favorite musician LOL
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on October 15, 2021, 01:01:47 PM
Following the Bob Dylan myth deconstruction, Patti smith is a gender swapped Bob Dylan, why the hell is she admired by so many puzzles me.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 15, 2021, 02:24:30 PM
hahahaha^

@HeavyAndExpensive just showed their cards and now everything they say holds no weight

can't talk shit on eyehategod and be backing ALL



EyeHateGod fucking sucks, I don’t care. Shits terrible. For dudes that smell like sausages left in an ashtray with shitty facial hair.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 15, 2021, 02:27:31 PM
You don’t like Bad Brains, Crass or Eyehategod but you listen to All?

I think you just have shitty taste in music.

Have fun listening to Cockney spoken word over terribly played music
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 15, 2021, 03:26:48 PM
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alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
woah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you don’t like? Or you just hate them in general?
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I won’t kook you for being honest but I’m trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and that’s a pretty big call from him!

Crass is more of a concept, than an actual band you listen to for the music. Sure they weren’t great musicians (and even they’ll admit that), but their output and overall influence on punk/ diy is second to none!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 15, 2021, 05:16:21 PM

Crass is more of a concept, than an actual band you listen to for the music. Sure they weren’t great musicians (and even they’ll admit that), but their output and overall influence on punk/ diy is second to none!

Not to jump on you - but that’s my entire point on the the crass sucks thing. The whole point of music is to listen to it. If you’re band is better as a concept than it is as a listening experience then it sucks. I listen to music, not concepts. Also - I listen to tons of bands that can’t play music. The Replacements, they couldn’t play and sometimes we’re too drunk to play, but you know what, they knew what sounded good. There’s a difference between say, the Ramones, who can’t “play well” but know how to write a song people will want to listen to, and what Crass does. Crass can’t play well - 75% of those older, mostly 80s bands, couldn’t but what they could do was play something they knew what sounded good or was appealing in whatever respect. Crass doesn’t know what sounds good and they can’t play. You can be short or you can be fat -  you can’t be both.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 15, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
↑ then crass as a band isn’t for you; the message always came before the music, they believed in the power of punk as a movement, not making catchy tunes for the masses. Personally I think they have some great songs, but again I’m listening to them as a complete package (artwork and all) and as an ideology.
I would also argue that they have the greatest influence over punk culture in terms of sounds, ideas, aesthetic, ethics etc. and no band will ever match what they contributed.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dante Bichette on October 15, 2021, 11:27:33 PM
Bad Brains are still terrible. The 311 of hardcore. I posted this in a UWTB thread, now it’s time to post in it proper place. HR has one of the worst voices in hardcore, among other things. Also, keep your reggae outta my hardcore, forcing genres together is bad songwriting and impresses dorks who think playing different styles of music in one song automatically makes you a good musician.

All are better than the Descendents.

Crass is legitimately unlistenable garbage. Do you like hearing a cockney dude rant about politics over piss poorly played terrible even if played well music? Boy do I have the “band” for you.

EyeHateGod are also terrible. Great, let’s have Mike IX screech over the same 3 downtuned guitar chords ringing out, let’s do that every fucking song. Reminds me of that band Khanate and Burning Witch. You show me someone who says they sit through that shit when no one is watching, and I’ll show you a god damn liar.

Come on man 50% of All's songs sound exactly the same
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 16, 2021, 04:22:16 AM
What do you listen to when nobody is watching?  I guarantee it’s not Crass. I feel like I take crazy pills when anybody pretends they like that cacophonous garbage. They’d rather be writing political manifestos than even attempt to write songs but we all pretend like we enjoy it cause “they’re cool” and everyone forgets first and foremost they’re supposed to be fcking band that you know, writes SONGS. The idea that they are special as a punk band because they’re a package deal is laughable. Do you know how many punk bands managed to have a cool image without the terrible music? It’s like if they made Food Not Bombs a band, sounds great until you actually have to eat it

I mean, listen to this, it’s fucking terrible!!!!!!!!

 https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4 (https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 16, 2021, 05:40:57 AM
What do you listen to when nobody is watching?  I guarantee it’s not Crass. I feel like I take crazy pills when anybody pretends they like that cacophonous garbage. They’d rather be writing political manifestos than even attempt to write songs but we all pretend like we enjoy it cause “they’re cool” and everyone forgets first and foremost they’re supposed to be fcking band that you know, writes SONGS. The idea that they are special as a punk band because they’re a package deal is laughable. Do you know how many punk bands managed to have a cool image without the terrible music? It’s like if they made Food Not Bombs a band, sounds great until you actually have to eat it

I mean, listen to this, it’s fucking terrible!!!!!!!!

 https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4 (https://youtu.be/QljX4OJQYZ4)

I don’t listen to all the songs. From any band.
But Best Before 84 sees action on my turntable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: slappies on October 16, 2021, 06:43:31 AM
I think the Descendents are easily one of the most overrated bands in punk/hardcore. Their first album is fine if not just for the nostalgia of the time when I first heard it. Beyond that I find them mostly horrible. They have the odd song here and there I won't ask to be turned off, but it feels like a broken clock situation. So much of it is pure incelcore and when I hear dudes over the age of like, 18, going on about how much "I'm The One" means to them it makes me skin crawl. Every single time I talk shit about this band people get up in a froth telling me how wrong I am.

ALL is terrible all around.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Glue Reed on October 16, 2021, 07:27:16 AM
I think the Descendents are easily one of the most overrated bands in punk/hardcore. Their first album is fine if not just for the nostalgia of the time when I first heard it. Beyond that I find them mostly horrible. They have the odd song here and there I won't ask to be turned off, but it feels like a broken clock situation. So much of it is pure incelcore and when I hear dudes over the age of like, 18, going on about how much "I'm The One" means to them it makes me skin crawl. Every single time I talk shit about this band people get up in a froth telling me how wrong I am.

ALL is terrible all around.

Oh man, Incelcore is a good one.  I once heard The Decendents described as “nice guys finish last-core”.  That first album isn’t bad but the lyrics are so corny I can’t do it. 

Crass rules, although I totally understand why people don’t like it.  It’s super inept and Steve ignorant’s voice can be super grating.  Personally I think musically it rules… I love the military style drumming and spastic noisy guitar.  My favorite stuff is Penis Envy and anything Eve Libertine sings, but I like it all.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 16, 2021, 07:43:22 AM
All/ descendents is great when you’re pent up and in high school with relationship problems. Lyrics are pretty creepy if look at them as an adult though. Having said that, most of those songs were written when those guys were teenagers or in the their early 20s so of course it will get cringey. Hell, I’m thankful nothing I thought/ said during those years is recorded for the rest of the world to hear well beyond my grave. Those dudes were total outcasts too, even within the punk scene so in context and with some nostalgia-coloured glasses on I still get the appeal.

Much like propagandhi, you either hate or love Crass, maybe even more so. They blew my mind and opened me up to so many new ideas, so I’ll always have a soft spot for them even if I’m not blasting them on the daily! That military drumming is so central to their music, but they were also super experimental.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 16, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
I’m going to gnar anyone who critiques a band who put out at least a song this decade

King gizzard, while I think they're a decent band, is one of the most gimmicky bands of the past decade. Not every album needs a half baked theme.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on October 16, 2021, 09:20:09 PM
I do still like Crass, but I like Zounds better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7kLsDK19WM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 17, 2021, 01:16:31 AM
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King gizzard, while I think they're a decent band, is one of the most gimmicky bands of the past decade. Not every album needs a half baked theme.

Lots of people say id love them based on my love of spiritualized. But it’s a hard no for me forever based on the name alone. Never even listened to a track just based on that fucking ridiculously stupid name. Can you imagine saying with a straight face to someone “I’m just really into king gizzard and the lizard wizard?”
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 17, 2021, 10:56:02 AM
This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/a33/a1b/ff252c077aab7eaa9980c702142ae3abff-wojak-00.w710.jpg)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 17, 2021, 08:50:43 PM
lmao. nine inch nails is cringe. idk back in my younger days trent reznor was highly respected by many but in retrospect he just seems like some burberry erry type of shit from that era
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on October 18, 2021, 09:52:45 AM
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alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
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woah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you don’t like? Or you just hate them in general?
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I won’t kook you for being honest but I’m trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and that’s a pretty big call from him!

Admittedly I did like a few songs off their first album in high school and I could probably listen those songs if they came on but, I am not going out of my way to listen to them

and for me personally Bill Stevenson is not someone I would consider an authority on music...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on October 18, 2021, 08:38:07 PM
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alright this one might ruffle a few feathers on here and i'll probably get kooked but MOST Propaghandi is terrible
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woah, hold up there big boy! Is there a specific era of theirs you don’t like? Or you just hate them in general?
They are, and have been, my fav band for over 20 years so I may be slightly biased and I won’t kook you for being honest but I’m trying to do the math on this one? Even Bill Stevenson thinks they are the best band ever and that’s a pretty big call from him!
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Admittedly I did like a few songs off their first album in high school and I could probably listen those songs if they came on but, I am not going out of my way to listen to them

and for me personally Bill Stevenson is not someone I would consider an authority on music...

i love propagandhi, but absolutely we should not be taking advice from the guy responsible for i’m the one
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 18, 2021, 10:23:48 PM
I’m just saying that from black flag to present he’s seen a shit tonne of bands come and go through the punk scene.
Hell, how many bands do their recordings at the blasting room? At this point you think a band like propagandhi wouldn’t even register on his radar with all the shit he has to wade through…

@Huell Howser they've definitely changed up their style from the old days, peep “supporting caste” and if you still can’t stand them after listening to that then yeah, they’ll probably never win you back.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 19, 2021, 06:57:17 AM
having gotten into many smoke session debates over this hot take, i thought i would bring it on slap.

i personally, 100% believe, Oasis was a better band than The Beatles.

I really am opposed to whole the reasoning that one of the "first" to do it is the best. yes there is a myriad of things the Beatles were inspired by and ripped off, but general music culture seems to refer to them as the original and often "best" British rock band, so whenever i bring up my take, people get all up and arms about it.

I just think Oasis took the simplicity of and beauty of Beatles songwriting and put in a blender with some of the great British bands since; the working class ethos and intensity of bands like the Sex Pistols and Clash, rock star hooliganism of The Who, and the aesthetics of bands like The Smiths and Stone Roses.

Hell, they even made a Beatles song BETTER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOctB63XMA&ab_channel=LuisGijon21

I do however acknowledge after the third album, Oasis' discography blows.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 19, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on October 19, 2021, 08:12:56 AM
I don't get much of the grunge sound. Dinosaur jr and nirvana just seem lazy and not very good. Cannot stand kurts voice as it spawned the horrible trend of everyone trying vedder it up.

This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/a33/a1b/ff252c077aab7eaa9980c702142ae3abff-wojak-00.w710.jpg)

You're not wrong. I definitely was a little sad boy "no one gets me" dork in high school but i just love their music

I personally think Eminem is overrated. A lot of people live to put him in the GOAT conversation, but my perception is colored by how every dork "i hate rap music, but Eminem is the best to ever do it" attitude that so many low key racist white people love to trot out.

I'm also not into some of the current crop of "in rappers" like all the supreme set who love peep and XXX. But there's definitely good stuff coming out in the rap game like Denzel curry, Vince staples, Tyler the creator, jpegmafia and slowthai (although some of those acts have been around at least a decade already)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ok boomer on October 19, 2021, 08:20:08 AM
This is what I think whenever someone says Radio Head is their favorite band

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/a33/a1b/ff252c077aab7eaa9980c702142ae3abff-wojak-00.w710.jpg)

Hahahaha. Good call.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 19, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.

Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 19, 2021, 10:51:21 AM
Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music.

Makes perfect sense. Respect.

This is my favorite thread. 

Also, if you haven't already, check out some of the new music Anton posted on his youtube channel. Last year he put up like two albums worth of new tracks which he said were works in progress. To my ears, they sounded good enough to put out as an albums. I'd listen to them while working and almost every time I'd find a song that made me pick up the guitar and learn it on the spot. He's the best at making the simplest things sound so good.

He's got a new one now that looks to be his possible picks for a new album.

https://www.youtube.com/user/antonfjordson
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 19, 2021, 11:05:59 AM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I don’t care who is ”considered the best” especially over different time periods, and I don’t claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 19, 2021, 11:09:08 AM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I don’t care who is ”considered the best” especially over different time periods, and I don’t claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.


I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 19, 2021, 12:04:32 PM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I don’t care who is ”considered the best” especially over different time periods, and I don’t claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.
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I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?
I don’t see your point, this was not a question of who progressed most favorably but rather of overall greatness. So if 3 out of 10 years were spent wanking about with sitars that negates driving people out of their minds with the live performances?

Sorry, I’m derailing the conversation and this is not fun or interesting, carry on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 19, 2021, 12:18:38 PM
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No way. We'll give Oasis the three albums like you said, but The Beatles had like a dozen in the span of less than ten years. Even if you don't like them all, their output and consistency is way greater than what Oasis did in the 90s.

I'd say The Brian Jonestown Massacre is better than Oasis and probably could've been just as big if Anton wasn't such an arrogant prick back then. Anton, in my opinion, is easily one of the best song writers in psych rock/pop history and he's still cranking out great music.
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Shoutout the Brian Jonestown Massacre, glad we can both agree they are a highlight in 90's rock music.

I respect that we probably won't sway each other's opinions, but I will acknowledge from a career band standpoint, The Beatles consistency in quality exceeds Oasis' two masterpieces and very good third album, given that post the 1990's, Oasis' output is watered down, mediocre dad rock.

Just when it comes down to what I like in music, I find Oasis' prioritization on being a monstrous live act far more endearing than The Beatles approach of sonic experimentation and being, for lack of a better term, studio musicians. I think thats just my love of punk and hardcore influencing how I appreciate other genres of music. I do realize that anyone who isn't a fellow Oasis adorer like myself thinks my opinion is absolutely psychotic.
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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

Personally I don’t care who is ”considered the best” especially over different time periods, and I don’t claim to be any expert, but double checking the logic here.
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I mean, is that not how you take a bands progression into consideration?
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I don’t see your point, this was not a question of who progressed most favorably but rather of overall greatness. So if 3 out of 10 years were spent wanking about with sitars that negates driving people out of their minds with the live performances?

I think the general consensus of the Beatles' later years being so adventurous was because it showed how far they progressed from being a travelling pop band singing "I Want To Hold Your Hand" to becoming pretty much exclusively a studio band. In terms of comparing influential discographies, I feel like it stands to reason that one would mostly focus on the later years given the trajectory of their career.




Edit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 19, 2021, 04:20:56 PM
George Harrison playing chalk on a street by himself is way more interesting than watching him play in front of thousands of people screaming their heads off any day of the weeek



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coz0TmK2ZIg
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 19, 2021, 09:10:05 PM
Edit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.

100%, I love this. Wouldn't have posted this take if I expected overwhelming agreement. I enjoy telling people this take, especially if they're Beatles fans, cause lots of different people like The Beatles for a wealth of different reasons, so I find it fascinating to hear all the various justifications of their side.

Like I said, I think the only one I can't get behind is the "they did it first, there would be no Beatles without Oasis". This is true, Oasis' direct nods (and blatant rips) to The Beatles aside, The Beatles influence on rock music as a whole is arguably one of the most wide spread in Western music. But, I believe bands have taken the formula and improved upon it in the same way no would argue the Model T is the best car ever. (I also realize "best" in music is ultimately a fruitless debate when it gets to semantics). In a hardcore sense, I think Madball is one of the best, most important and influential bands in hardcore, but I'd take Trapped Under Ice's discography over theirs any day.

They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.

But in regards to this, I think my argument that I appreciate Oasis' priority to be a live act stems more from the craftsmanship and execution to it. The swagger, the massive guitar tones, Liam borderline blowing his voice out, I think they are a supreme live act and they barely make any movements, they're just that good. Basically I think that this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZK7uLEx6is&ab_channel=ezemaster89

is waaaaaay cooler than this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTsB-llTzyc&ab_channel=HDBeatles

but again, thats just my opinion! loving the discussion fellas
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 19, 2021, 10:51:56 PM
I always thought the Oasis was lame so in terms of that comparison you probably have a better perspective. They were popular during a time when my view of music was still very black and white (mostly black) so I probably didn't give them a fair chance, but they are somewhere in the vicinity of Coldplay on my mind, a band that apparently a lot of people like, enough so that they would likely be called influencial, but to me is just whiny garbage on the radio.

But solid argumentation all around, appreciate it.

With the Beatles there is of course the immense myth building aspect, the level of detail with which each day of their career as now been analyzed and it's difficult to say how well the music would have stood the test of time on it's own. On the weekend I heard a show on the radio where a guy was talking for like 2 hours about a record from Fairport Convention and while I only heard bits of that it seemed to me like there was enough story there to carry a 6 episode miniseries too, and I've never even heard of the band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 20, 2021, 08:56:06 AM
I always thought the Oasis was lame so in terms of that comparison you probably have a better perspective. They were popular during a time when my view of music was still very black and white (mostly black) so I probably didn't give them a fair chance, but they are somewhere in the vicinity of Coldplay on my mind, a band that apparently a lot of people like, enough so that they would likely be called influencial, but to me is just whiny garbage on the radio.

I think the Coldplay comparison is very interesting and a fair one to make. Personally, as a whole I also dislike Coldplay, as to me its lukewarm, uninteresting radio pop. There are a few tracks from early in their discography that hold sentimental value to me cause I liked them on the radio when I was 10, but otherwise pretty shit band imo.

But I like the comparison for discussion cause I think Oasis was the last "true" massive rock band. With grunge taking over in America in the 90's and the 2000's subsequently making nu-metal and the more alt-rock bands like The Strokes, Franz Ferdinand, or even early era-Coldplay in that regard the biggest acts in guitar music, I think an argument could be made that Oasis was the last traditional rock band in music culture.

Since then, thinking of all the largely "successful" guitar bands, they're either Top 40 major label pop acts like Maroon 5, nu-metal acts that have somehow made 20+ year careers out of their bands like Slipknot, or indie/alternative bands that receive so much music press praise that they become cultural staples, like The Black Keys or Arctic Monkeys.

I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on October 20, 2021, 09:06:34 AM
i like oasis and i like when other bands sometimes sound a bit like oasis, like fucked up or narrow head.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 20, 2021, 09:13:11 AM
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Edit: just saw your edit and don't really think you're derailing. This thread is full of music nerdery and everybody seems to be pretty cool about their disagreements. Personally I find conversations like this fun AND interesting, haha.
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100%, I love this. Wouldn't have posted this take if I expected overwhelming agreement. I enjoy telling people this take, especially if they're Beatles fans, cause lots of different people like The Beatles for a wealth of different reasons, so I find it fascinating to hear all the various justifications of their side.

Like I said, I think the only one I can't get behind is the "they did it first, there would be no Beatles without Oasis". This is true, Oasis' direct nods (and blatant rips) to The Beatles aside, The Beatles influence on rock music as a whole is arguably one of the most wide spread in Western music. But, I believe bands have taken the formula and improved upon it in the same way no would argue the Model T is the best car ever. (I also realize "best" in music is ultimately a fruitless debate when it gets to semantics). In a hardcore sense, I think Madball is one of the best, most important and influential bands in hardcore, but I'd take Trapped Under Ice's discography over theirs any day.

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They played 1400 live shows? Sounds to me your focusing on the final years, whereas the beginning years where the exact opposite.
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But in regards to this, I think my argument that I appreciate Oasis' priority to be a live act stems more from the craftsmanship and execution to it. The swagger, the massive guitar tones, Liam borderline blowing his voice out, I think they are a supreme live act and they barely make any movements, they're just that good. Basically I think that this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZK7uLEx6is&ab_channel=ezemaster89

is waaaaaay cooler than this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTsB-llTzyc&ab_channel=HDBeatles

but again, thats just my opinion! loving the discussion fellas

I mean i kinda get your point, but Oasis did have the luxury of modern sound systems and big time guitar boost pedals to get that huge sound. also millions of dollars to throw at production costs. You ever see that Ron Howard documentary where they talk about the Beatles first tour (probably where that footage of Help came from) and they kinda show you what it was like to be there? They explain that most people were hearing the Beatles live but they were hearing it through those old school baseball stadium bullhorn type PA speakers. It sounded like absolute garbage and people still lost their minds. To me, that says something. Without the luxury of even stage monitors (let alone decent speakers for the size of the audience they were playing to) and those guys played pretty perfectly almost every show throughout their touring years.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 20, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Also hi DaleSr hope all this coldplay talk is validating you
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on October 20, 2021, 09:17:02 AM
joining in to say I also have grown to love Oasis over the last 5 years. Growing up I always thought they were terrible dad rock and wrote them off

Years later after getting into bands like Primal Scream, Stone Roses, Spiritualized, and other brit rock bands -  I back tracked and gave them another chance. Ended up clicking and now listen to them on the regular. Also Liam's 'rock star' sense of self is hilarious

I enjoy them more than I do The Beatles but I can't say that they are a "better" band. Not a huge Beatles fan at all but I can't deny what they've done for music

also I am down with some later Oasis as well lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seXqDXAeV2A&ab_channel=JesSawyer
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 20, 2021, 10:53:57 AM
I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think it’s kind of apples and oranges. ”Rock” in general means ”radio music” in the 2000s so I’m not big into that genre but I don’t think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ”alternative” enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on October 20, 2021, 11:01:31 AM
No, wait, is U2 the right answer?

Lol, it’s like my collegue at work one day when we were talking about proofing pizza dough ”I can tell I’m approaching middle age when suddenly I’m faced with a problem where Tupperware is the answer…”
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 20, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
Dude…Oasis, really?
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Post by: JB on October 20, 2021, 03:31:37 PM
Dude…Oasis, really?

Lol!

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I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
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If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think it’s kind of apples and oranges. ”Rock” in general means ”radio music” in the 2000s so I’m not big into that genre but I don’t think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ”alternative” enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?

I think most of what's been mentioned would count. Maybe throw the strokes in there. I don't think rock has really been culturally relivant since the early 00's though, and the strokes were kinda the band to be back then.

Obviously there's no shortage of great rock bands if you just look. What's everyones pick for whos the best now?
I'm a huge stan, but I don't think anyone touches John Dwyer/Thee Oh Sees when it comes to rock n roll. I think he's easily the most consistent, covers a wide variety of sounds and style, and puts on a kick ass show. He's put out like 30 albums in the past 20 years, and there are less than a handful that I don't enjoy (OCS stuff and the early freak folk albums).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 20, 2021, 04:22:03 PM
in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 20, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 20, 2021, 04:45:26 PM
idk a couple of their older songs were ok
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Dwyck on October 20, 2021, 08:04:58 PM
Janglepop did not need to come back
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on October 20, 2021, 09:17:31 PM
Also hi DaleSr hope all this coldplay talk is validating you

I feel seen.

I definitely think that Coldplay is a good comparison as well, and they also illustrate the larger shift in popular music trends through their discography. I personally will contend that Coldplay has a lot of good songs, but i haven't been really invested in any of their music since they dropped ghost stories in '14. That album also is where Coldplay made the shift from brit rock/pop to electro pop/edm illustrating the larger shift in pop music away from rock acts to edm or superstar acts like Beyonce, Taylor, Billie Eilish, etc...

First Coldplay album

Parachutes

Reflective of the brit pop music landscape of the time w/ acts like blur and Travis. Lots of acoustic guitar/singer songwriter tracks like don't panic, trouble, high speed and everything is not lost. Breaks out into the mainstream with runaway pop hits yellow and shiver. Very bright anthemic singles

Second album

A Rush of Blood to the Head

Radiohead is the biggest thing in the English alternative scene. Coldplay makes a serious and somber second album. The scientist is another hit and everyone is crying watching the very sad backwards music video. In my opinion, their best work is on this album : green eyes, God put a smile upon your face, clocks, warning sign and in my place are all outstanding. A top to bottom excellent album.

X&Y

This is the big one. The album with songs in Apple commercials (the midas touch of the time). Everyone is staying in their toxic relationship because their love has been healed by fix you. Another top to bottom great album with hits like speed of sound, talk and fix you but also hidden gems like the hardest part and til kingdom come on the back half of the album

Viva la Vida

Kanye west declared his love for Chris Martin and his falsetto by giving him the hook on his track homecoming. Rappers now desire the Chris Martin collab, evidenced by Jay z appearing on lost! on one of the bonus tracks. Frank ocean will later cover and add a little spice in a reworked version of strawberry swing on his first project Nostalgia Ultra. Coldplay wanted to rule the world and they had. Chris Martin is wearing epaulets and somewhere in North County San Diego, a young boy was thinking that he too could rock the jacket of a napoleonic colonel.

Mylo Xyloto

Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.

Ghost Stories

Coldplay released magic as a single to appeal to some of the old fans who hope for a more stripped down and nostalgic return to form. Unfortunately sky full of stars becomes a huge hit and Coldplay begins doing collabs with the chainsmokers. This is the last full Coldplay album I've listened to.

Since then they've dropped a few other albums but I've largely not paid attention.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on October 21, 2021, 03:34:09 AM
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in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
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it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.

I‘d wear a Nirvana shirt over a U2 shirt any day. I remember being blown away by Smells Like Teen Spirit when it came out. Same with RATM debut, these albums were genre defining and I kinda felt I was witnessing history being made.
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Post by: skate_or_dingus on October 21, 2021, 05:56:05 AM
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Dude…Oasis, really?
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Lol!

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I struggle to think of a traditional "rock" act that has been as culturally relevant but also as largely revered as Oasis? Would be curious if you guys have any you can think of.
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If we continue to look at different eras in history I still think it’s kind of apples and oranges. ”Rock” in general means ”radio music” in the 2000s so I’m not big into that genre but I don’t think something like Foo Fighters or Queens of the Stone Age would be ”alternative” enough not to be labeled rock. Muse maybe? White Stripes and subsequent Jack White orchestras?
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I think most of what's been mentioned would count. Maybe throw the strokes in there. I don't think rock has really been culturally relivant since the early 00's though, and the strokes were kinda the band to be back then.

Obviously there's no shortage of great rock bands if you just look. What's everyones pick for whos the best now?
I'm a huge stan, but I don't think anyone touches John Dwyer/Thee Oh Sees when it comes to rock n roll.
I think he's easily the most consistent, covers a wide variety of sounds and style, and puts on a kick ass show. He's put out like 30 albums in the past 20 years, and there are less than a handful that I don't enjoy (OCS stuff and the early freak folk albums).

 Dwyer was my IMMEDIATE thought. The consistency is astounding and the guy exhausts more energy in a five minute span while playing than I do in a month of skating.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 21, 2021, 06:16:38 AM
Ok, my hot take.

The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.

Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they weren’t scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.

And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent I’ll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesn’t change the previous observations for me.
 Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.

Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paul’s Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.

Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I can’t believe it’s not ghost-written.

And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 21, 2021, 06:40:17 AM
Ok, my hot take.

The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.

Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they weren’t scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.

And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent I’ll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesn’t change the previous observations for me.
 Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.

Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paul’s Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.

Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I can’t believe it’s not ghost-written.

And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.

Glad you brought this up, as I fucking hate the Beastie Boys. "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AW YEAAAAAAH!!" God their voices are like nails on a chalkboard.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 21, 2021, 07:37:20 AM
Mylo Xyloto

Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.

Dale, thank you for reminding me of this album. I remember it being one of the first albums I got on my new iPod Touch alongside El Camino by The Black Keys in 2011.

I will agree that Charlie Brown is indeed a banger. I really did forget this album existed.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on October 21, 2021, 09:02:55 AM
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Mylo Xyloto

Coldplay is an arena band now. Brian Eno has been working with them for two albums. Everyone was trying to take their korgs with them to the mad max apocalypse we all believe is coming. Rihanna is a feature on princess of China. A lot of people really don't like this album. I personally think up with the birds, Charlie brown and every tear drop is a waterfall are good tracks.
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Dale, thank you for reminding me of this album. I remember it being one of the first albums I got on my new iPod Touch alongside El Camino by The Black Keys in 2011.

I will agree that Charlie Brown is indeed a banger. I really did forget this album existed.

It's got a really great chorus. We'll run wild. We'll be glowing in the dark.
Also you're making me feel old as fuck because that album was on heavy rotation when i moved to Portland right after high school and that was ten years ago
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 21, 2021, 11:57:49 AM
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Ok, my hot take.

The Beastie Boys were not that great. Not compared to other contemporary hip-hop.

Experimental? Yes. Boundary-pushing? Yes. But in terms of lyrics, beats, actual skill, they were 2nd or 3rd rate, and probably got a lot of air time due to the fact they weren’t scary like gangsta rap, and of course had ties to the skate scene.

And Check you Head, and to a lesser extent I’ll Communication will always have a safe place in my heart, partially fueled by nostalgia, but it doesn’t change the previous observations for me.
 Their voices, rhyming, cadence, were so-so. I give them a pass on lyrics, because everyone was doing their own thing.

Their beats were unbalanced and grating at the worst of times, basic sometimes, a few times came close to greatness if they could only exercise some restraint and layer the beats less thickly, as with many of the songs on Paul’s Boutique. And sometimes caught a sick one, like with flute loop.

Their most stand-out song for me is Ch-Check it Out, which has an amazing flow, so fucking on point and unlike their other stuff I can’t believe it’s not ghost-written.

And although I still enjoy them, I just feel they were nowhere near the level of what else was coming out at the time.
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Glad you brought this up, as I fucking hate the Beastie Boys. "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AW YEAAAAAAH!!" God their voices are like nails on a chalkboard.

I never got into Beastie Boys up until a few years ago. I'd heard License to Ill and Paul's, but never gave anything else a shot. When I found Check Your Head and Ill Communication, I played them both for like a week straight. I remember listening to those albums thinking "damn, they got a sick backing band for a lot of these tracks" not even knowing it's them playing. I think you've got a point that they're not the best rappers, but as a group I really think they deserve all the credit they get. They did their own thing the way they wanted to do it, and I admire that a lot.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 21, 2021, 01:07:12 PM
It's got a really great chorus. We'll run wild. We'll be glowing in the dark.
Also you're making me feel old as fuck because that album was on heavy rotation when i moved to Portland right after high school and that was ten years ago

I think I was roughly 11-12 at the time and listened to Charlie Brown and Paradise on repeat

I never got into Beastie Boys up until a few years ago. I'd heard License to Ill and Paul's, but never gave anything else a shot. When I found Check Your Head and Ill Communication, I played them both for like a week straight. I remember listening to those albums thinking "damn, they got a sick backing band for a lot of these tracks" not even knowing it's them playing. I think you've got a point that they're not the best rappers, but as a group I really think they deserve all the credit they get. They did their own thing the way they wanted to do it, and I admire that a lot.

hard agree, just dropping some heat to be admired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdJ5e70Q8mw&ab_channel=BeastieBoysVEVO
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on October 21, 2021, 01:16:20 PM
Also i saw some u2 slander, I'm annoyed by their later projects as much as everyone else, but they absolutely didn't get huge for no reason. Sunday bloody Sunday, seconds, electric co, pride, where the streets have no name, i still haven't found what I'm looking for, New years day, 40, beautiful day, even bits off of how to dismantle the atomic bomb. They got some great tracks in their catalog. Their live version of electric co/boy on under a blood red sky is a fucking bop.
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 21, 2021, 02:00:05 PM
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on October 21, 2021, 03:18:11 PM
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.

Hard disagree but I have the utmost respect that hotness of this take
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 21, 2021, 08:09:38 PM
 CHeck your Head and Paul’s boutique are classics, maybe they weren’t the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!
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Post by: Hinna on October 22, 2021, 09:34:14 AM
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in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
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it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.
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I‘d wear a Nirvana shirt over a U2 shirt any day. I remember being blown away by Smells Like Teen Spirit when it came out. Same with RATM debut, these albums were genre defining and I kinda felt I was witnessing history being made.
the last band shirt i had was sp and although theyre pretty good idk im kinda over wearing band shirts now. def wouldnt wear a u2 shirt though lmao
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 22, 2021, 11:08:39 AM
CHeck your Head and Paul’s boutique are classics, maybe they weren’t the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!

how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on October 22, 2021, 11:57:16 AM
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CHeck your Head and Paul’s boutique are classics, maybe they weren’t the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!
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how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo

Loved it.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 22, 2021, 03:12:58 PM
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CHeck your Head and Paul’s boutique are classics, maybe they weren’t the best rappers, but they played everything and took influence from so many different genres and in turn influenced a lot of 90s music/ fashion/ culture.
To me, they are something so much bigger than a rap group!
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how do you all feel about their first hardcore ep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtQ-uTf1uo
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Loved it.
yes, loved it but I think they fall short if you judge them as a one genre band; that’s why check your head (and Ill Communication) rules so hard, it’s like a perfect 90s mix tape!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on October 24, 2021, 06:55:28 AM
fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on October 24, 2021, 07:10:31 AM
i like seeing the love for nirvana and beasties in here, wasn't expecting that. i always liked nirvana but was more in the group that was listening to bleach and a bit disappointed with nevermind but then stoked on ineutero and mtv unplug. been watching a lot of documentary's on them and whole lately and i really dug this one about how they broke in britain way before in the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5LPeXuZMVo

this might not be unpopular but libertines should have gotten way more shine for up the bracket.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on October 24, 2021, 07:22:00 AM
fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.

Actually I think that praise should be heaped upon the Pixies. When I first heard Nirvana, I was bewitched by how they seemingly played a pop song backwards or sideways and somehow came out with something amazing. I thought it was genius (and it was), but it wouldn’t have been possible without the band they obviously took a lot from, The Pixies.

Here I found music so pure, that the only singing that could possibly fit it were nonsense words that were growled, screamed, stuttered in bad Spanish, and crooned.

The Pixies  music for me, and are more important to me than the Beatles. And I didn’t even like them the first few listens, it took me a while for them to grow in me. But they did.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 24, 2021, 09:32:29 AM
Disrupting the conversation to say that the first ep power trip made was their best work.

I think their best song is Executioner’s Tax. That song fucking rules
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on October 24, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
Not really an unpopular opinion, but I don’t know where else to post this. This guy I work with occasionally, hates the song Abracadabra by Steve Miller Band. Personally I think it’s a pretty non offensive classic rock tune but I get it. But since he seems to bring it up way more than what should be acceptable, whenever he’s working with us I pretend to organically play Abracadabra loudly and act surprised when he explains for the 400th time that he can’t stand the song. If I’m feeling really spicy I’ll play the Sugar Ray cover and act especially ignorant when he expresses his disdain
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: skate_or_dingus on October 25, 2021, 03:44:42 PM
Not really an unpopular opinion, but I don’t know where else to post this. This guy I work with occasionally, hates the song Abracadabra by Steve Miller Band. Personally I think it’s a pretty non offensive classic rock tune but I get it. But since he seems to bring it up way more than what should be acceptable, whenever he’s working with us I pretend to organically play Abracadabra loudly and act surprised when he explains for the 400th time that he can’t stand the song. If I’m feeling really spicy I’ll play the Sugar Ray cover and act especially ignorant when he expresses his disdain

 Fucking god awful song (that chorus makes my skin crawl), but I'd definitely suffer through it to mess with a coworker.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pro club blanks on October 25, 2021, 06:39:55 PM
Thrash is way sicker than punk as a genre

Rap still has good shit coming out

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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 25, 2021, 09:21:46 PM
Thrash is way sicker than punk as a genre

Rap still has good shit coming out


I love thrash, but there are only like 5-6 quality bands and the rest are 6th tier imposters. Sure there's lots of shit punk bands too, but punk has enough sub-genres to keep it interesting ... at least imo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on October 26, 2021, 01:18:10 AM
I have no useful input but i have to say that i fucking hate Coldplay
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 26, 2021, 05:45:24 AM
fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.


You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana. 


People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.



Nirvana rules.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on October 26, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
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fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
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You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana. 

People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.

Nirvana rules.

quite literally with this--i always appreciated his K Records tattoo (Olympia, WA) which brought me--among many other splendid things--one of my all-time favorite bands and albums

these are not fall colors


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04

and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 26, 2021, 07:13:31 AM
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fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
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You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana. 

People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.

Nirvana rules.
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and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic



How is that not a positive thing? Before Nevermind there was no chance for any punk/punk adjacent band to really make a significant dent in record sales. There were a number of bands that did okay within their niche fanbases but few of them were really "successful" in the traditional sense. Lots of well deserving bands and small labels really got a boost in the 90's cuz of the Nirvana craze despite having little to nothing to do with that scene, many of whom are still doing cool things to this day.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on October 26, 2021, 07:41:37 AM
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fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
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You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana. 

People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.

Nirvana rules.
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and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic

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How is that not a positive thing? Before Nevermind there was no chance for any punk/punk adjacent band to really make a significant dent in record sales. There were a number of bands that did okay within their niche fanbases but few of them were really "successful" in the traditional sense. Lots of well deserving bands and small labels really got a boost in the 90's cuz of the Nirvana craze despite having little to nothing to do with that scene, many of whom are still doing cool things to this day.

yeah, i know, you're right, "'successful' in the traditional sense" is definitely important...people do have to make a living...

...anyway, it would be disingenuous of me to act like i was really that surprised that so much of the "independently released" music of the 1990s fit so easily and neatly into the "indie" category on i-tunes and other reputable streaming services...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: beatifk on October 26, 2021, 08:59:29 AM
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in middle school i listened to a lot of nirvana but it kinda cringes me out now. wouldnt want to be a 30something wearing that shirt. u2 isnt the most horrible band in the world or anything. a few of their songs anyway
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it's crazy to me that the older you get the more you cringe at nirvana and the less you do at U2. Which tracks are even good? i think every u2 song i've ever heard was absolutely terrible.

The thing that got me interested in U2 was the podcast "U talkin' U2 to me?" which is fucking hilarious. The more I listened to this absurd comedy podcast disguised as an honest discussion about U2, the more I genuinely became interested in their music.

Boy and War are great front to back and not plagued like Joshua Tree with too many songs that have been overplayed for the past 30 years.

Out of Control from Boy is my favorite song of theirs. Supposedly in their early years they were influenced heavily by post-punk like Joy Division and Siouxsie and the Banshees.

https://youtu.be/y2iXPAdaSlM

Bono was 20 when it was released and The Edge was even younger. This is crazy to me. By their mid 20s (when Joshua Tree released) they were the biggest band in the world.

I definitely think a huge portion of their music is corny as hell but I respect their hustle and they never really did the same thing over and over, they always were trying something new and weird, even if a lot of their weird gimmicks were failures, at least they tried. And I think The Edge (the names are defintely one of the cringe-worthy aspects of U2) is a great guitar player and I'm waiting until the day I can find a Memory Man pedal for a decent price just because I love his guitar sound.

Maybe I am just getting old.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on October 26, 2021, 09:14:03 AM
not a fan of the beastie boys at all. their 1 good song
https://youtu.be/of2MUreDMvM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on October 27, 2021, 06:54:13 AM
Not really an unpopular opinion, but I don’t know where else to post this. This guy I work with occasionally, hates the song Abracadabra by Steve Miller Band. Personally I think it’s a pretty non offensive classic rock tune but I get it. But since he seems to bring it up way more than what should be acceptable, whenever he’s working with us I pretend to organically play Abracadabra loudly and act surprised when he explains for the 400th time that he can’t stand the song. If I’m feeling really spicy I’ll play the Sugar Ray cover and act especially ignorant when he expresses his disdain

had no idea sugar ray covered my favorite steve miller song.  8)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: charge on October 27, 2021, 10:49:59 AM
all steve miller jokes aside this song rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngiQtQSUSxw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: PuffinMuffin on November 01, 2021, 08:42:54 AM
I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, I can't fucking stand Eminem. He sounds like a whiny little bitch, and upon repeated listens; crazy frog. Every day some annoying fuck brings his portable music player to the skatepark and subjects everyone to his shitty tastes in white rappers. He's in his 30's and hardly rides his board. He's there to annoy and posture as a tough guy. I've been avoiding the park and skating curbs instead. Part of me wants to buy a huge speaker system, place it right next to his, and blast exclusively show tunes or anything to drown out Eminem.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 01, 2021, 08:50:53 AM
I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, I can't fucking stand Eminem. He sounds like a whiny little bitch, and upon repeated listens; crazy frog. Every day some annoying fuck brings his portable music player to the skatepark and subjects everyone to his shitty tastes in white rappers. He's in his 30's and hardly rides his board. He's there to annoy and posture as a tough guy. I've been avoiding the park and skating curbs instead. Part of me wants to buy a huge speaker system, place it right next to his, and blast exclusively show tunes or anything to drown out Eminem.

fuck Eminem

love,
the actual city of Detroit
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 01, 2021, 09:45:35 AM
I'm definitely on the fuck em train. I thought his shit was funny and clever as a thirteen year old and now that I'm not in high school i have no desire to listen to any of his shit
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 01, 2021, 10:05:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMKPwQXReHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMKPwQXReHs)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 01, 2021, 12:05:08 PM
I guess here is my hot take: Tommy Wright III is the most underrated producer of all time and one of the most influential and Memphis rap is better than what any other region made. Especially late 80’s/early to mid 90’s. It didn’t get the shine it deserved partly because of the satanic panic and because it was raw as hell, DIY, and punk as fuck.

The lore surrounding the scene is also the wildest shit ever. Sure, suge knight dangling someone out of a window is cool and all, but rumors/legends of Memphis rappers rappers practicing ritual magick, sacrificing people and recording it so they could sample it on their tapes is way fucking gnarlier.

Also fuck Eminem.

https://youtu.be/3nOPuizD4Es
https://youtu.be/1pGkOqD6w1w
https://youtu.be/2taHZpdpqz0
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pro club blanks on November 01, 2021, 02:10:05 PM
I too am here to shit on Eminem

Dude picks the wackest beats of all time,

raps about adam sandler shit as a 50 year old man,

shelves rappers that sign to shady in a way that would make Dr Dres Detox delays seem reasonable,

and gets put in GOAT conversations ONLY off technical ability despite most of his music being ridiculously corny

Not to mention the elvis parallels and that ignorant section of his fanbase "not liking rap besides em"

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 01, 2021, 02:49:58 PM
I too am here to shit on Eminem

Dude picks the wackest beats of all time,

raps about adam sandler shit as a 50 year old man,

shelves rappers that sign to shady in a way that would make Dr Dres Detox delays seem reasonable,

and gets put in GOAT conversations ONLY off technical ability despite most of his music being ridiculously corny

Not to mention the elvis parallels and that ignorant section of his fanbase "not liking rap besides em"




He's one of the "good ones" - said every low key racist "rap enjoyer"
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 01, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
Always hated Eminem, always will…
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 01, 2021, 03:06:32 PM
Thrash is way sicker than punk as a genre

Rap still has good shit coming out

Extreme Aggression by Kreator is peak thrash &#128175;
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 01, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
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Thrash is way sicker than punk as a genre

Rap still has good shit coming out
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Extreme Aggression by Kreator is peak thrash &#128175;
not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but pleasure to kill is my fav kreator album, everything else from them doesn't doesn't give me that many thrash boners....
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on November 01, 2021, 04:50:53 PM
I'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.

Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 01, 2021, 05:41:45 PM
I'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.

Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.

shit man, i know you qualify your comment with Kid Rock and all, but fuck, how low can that bar get man?

Eminem just opened some spaghetti restaurant right smack in the middle of the heavily policed, heavily surveilled urban theme park that is "New Detroit"--i.e. the hyper-gentrified 7-square-miles of this 139-square-mile city you hear about when fuckwits talk about Detroit going through some kind of "rebirth--and in most of the pictures, eminem's glaring and/or flipping the camera off like the fatuous embodiment of white, inner-ring-suburban angst he still absurdly is in his 40s or whatever stage of adulthood he's reached--i guess despite being a millionaire/billionaire...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 01, 2021, 07:13:05 PM
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Thrash is way sicker than punk as a genre

Rap still has good shit coming out
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Extreme Aggression by Kreator is peak thrash &#38;#128175;
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not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but pleasure to kill is my fav kreator album, everything else from them doesn't doesn't give me that many thrash boners....

Keepin it 95
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Post by: Easy Slider on November 02, 2021, 04:11:45 AM
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I'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.

Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.
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shit man, i know you qualify your comment with Kid Rock and all, but fuck, how low can that bar get man?

Eminem just opened some spaghetti restaurant right smack in the middle of the heavily policed, heavily surveilled urban theme park that is "New Detroit"--i.e. the hyper-gentrified 7-square-miles of this 139-square-mile city you hear about when fuckwits talk about Detroit going through some kind of "rebirth--and in most of the pictures, eminem's glaring and/or flipping the camera off like the fatuous embodiment of white, inner-ring-suburban angst he still absurdly is in his 40s or whatever stage of adulthood he's reached--i guess despite being a millionaire/billionaire...

Had to be a spaghetti joint, right?  „Vomit on my sweater, mom‘s spaghetti“  ;D
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Post by: JB on November 02, 2021, 05:48:32 AM
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I'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.

Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.
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shit man, i know you qualify your comment with Kid Rock and all, but fuck, how low can that bar get man?

Eminem just opened some spaghetti restaurant right smack in the middle of the heavily policed, heavily surveilled urban theme park that is "New Detroit"--i.e. the hyper-gentrified 7-square-miles of this 139-square-mile city you hear about when fuckwits talk about Detroit going through some kind of "rebirth--and in most of the pictures, eminem's glaring and/or flipping the camera off like the fatuous embodiment of white, inner-ring-suburban angst he still absurdly is in his 40s or whatever stage of adulthood he's reached--i guess despite being a millionaire/billionaire...
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Had to be a spaghetti joint, right?  „Vomit on my sweater, mom‘s spaghetti“  ;D

It's literally called Mom's Spaghetti and they sell leftover style spaghetti out of a take out window for like $13. Stans line up down the block for it. Ridiculous.

And to clarify, I'm not trying to defend Emimem, just stating that as far as Detroit artists go, he's not the the worst. Kid Rock is, by a long shot. Bob Seger also sucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4JCbKDQsks
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on November 02, 2021, 06:06:26 AM
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I'll take Em over Kid Rock all day. His old stuff, particularly the first Bad Meets Evil tape with Royce is solid. I'd probably never play Eminem on purpose though.

Kid Rock has nothing redeemable though. He's like the white trash jesus throughout southeast Michigan. People LOVE that motherfucker here.
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shit man, i know you qualify your comment with Kid Rock and all, but fuck, how low can that bar get man?

Eminem just opened some spaghetti restaurant right smack in the middle of the heavily policed, heavily surveilled urban theme park that is "New Detroit"--i.e. the hyper-gentrified 7-square-miles of this 139-square-mile city you hear about when fuckwits talk about Detroit going through some kind of "rebirth--and in most of the pictures, eminem's glaring and/or flipping the camera off like the fatuous embodiment of white, inner-ring-suburban angst he still absurdly is in his 40s or whatever stage of adulthood he's reached--i guess despite being a millionaire/billionaire...
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Had to be a spaghetti joint, right?  „Vomit on my sweater, mom‘s spaghetti“  ;D
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It's literally called Mom's Spaghetti and they sell leftover style spaghetti out of a take out window for like $13. Stans line up down the block for it. Ridiculous.

And to clarify, I'm not trying to defend Emimem, just stating that as far as Detroit artists go, he's not the the worst. Kid Rock is, by a long shot. Bob Seger also sucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4JCbKDQsks

Alright well it all makes sense then I guess.

I found the whole Slim Shady spiel amusing and refreshing when he dropped the first singles. Guilty Conscience had a dope Dre beat and Stan had quite a clever concept. I liked the first two albums, then it got old. From a technical rapping point of view the dude is talented and brought something new to the table. I did not follow all of his later antics so I can’t really comment on that.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: beatifk on November 02, 2021, 07:06:38 AM
Murder, Murder from the Slim Shady EP is one of my favorite narrative rap songs of all time. The beat, the vivid story-telling, it's a great song.

That's my unpopular opinion for the day.

I remember when I first heard Just Don't Give a Fuck on the local college radio station (the original version) and I was blown away. I listened every night to hear that song. I went to the record store every week to ask if they had any M+M records. I didn't know until I saw the first video on MTV how it was actually spelled. I feel like it was at least a year later. I didn't know he was white until I saw the video.

I feel like this type of thing is missing from our world today. This discovery of new things. Everything is just there when you want it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 02, 2021, 09:05:30 AM
Murder, Murder from the Slim Shady EP is one of my favorite narrative rap songs of all time. The beat, the vivid story-telling, it's a great song.

That's my unpopular opinion for the day.

I remember when I first heard Just Don't Give a Fuck on the local college radio station (the original version) and I was blown away. I listened every night to hear that song. I went to the record store every week to ask if they had any M+M records. I didn't know until I saw the first video on MTV how it was actually spelled. I feel like it was at least a year later. I didn't know he was white until I saw the video.

I feel like this type of thing is missing from our world today. This discovery of new things. Everything is just there when you want it.

Definitely not agreeing with this sentiment to hate on contemporary stuff, but I do think the accessibility to subculture that people have these days is a double-edged sword.

It is so sick that people can find out about things without having to go through traditional gatekeepers, but also so much of everything is immediately accessible that folks that there is no real process of discovery and reconciliation. And I for sure get that there are other struggles in the world that matter so, so much more, but I do feel like this sort of thing is less of an investment for people these days.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 03, 2021, 06:19:54 AM
Pop music is some of the best there is.

Case and point below.



https://youtu.be/R_3E5_e8Ts8


https://youtu.be/hv7QXYcnWHo


https://youtu.be/sSVdGh3iylc


https://youtu.be/pjVG9SaHab8


Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Hinna on November 03, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
abbas not bad
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Post by: beatifk on November 04, 2021, 05:00:12 AM
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Murder, Murder from the Slim Shady EP is one of my favorite narrative rap songs of all time. The beat, the vivid story-telling, it's a great song.

That's my unpopular opinion for the day.

I remember when I first heard Just Don't Give a Fuck on the local college radio station (the original version) and I was blown away. I listened every night to hear that song. I went to the record store every week to ask if they had any M+M records. I didn't know until I saw the first video on MTV how it was actually spelled. I feel like it was at least a year later. I didn't know he was white until I saw the video.

I feel like this type of thing is missing from our world today. This discovery of new things. Everything is just there when you want it.
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Definitely not agreeing with this sentiment to hate on contemporary stuff, but I do think the accessibility to subculture that people have these days is a double-edged sword.

It is so sick that people can find out about things without having to go through traditional gatekeepers, but also so much of everything is immediately accessible that folks that there is no real process of discovery and reconciliation. And I for sure get that there are other struggles in the world that matter so, so much more, but I do feel like this sort of thing is less of an investment for people these days.

Gatekeeping is corny, but it happens in every aspect of civilization, so it's something to get used to anyway. It's the thrill-of-the-hunt that's lost, and it's a bit of a shame.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on November 04, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
Pop music is some of the best there is.

Case and point below.

Love this shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c18441Eh_WE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq09UkPRdFY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa14VNsdSYM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 04, 2021, 09:33:49 AM
abbas not bad


I know we're all being respectful here but anyone who DOES think Abba is bad is actually a big idiot.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pro club blanks on November 04, 2021, 11:43:49 AM
abbas not bad
I know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in general

Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 04, 2021, 12:29:31 PM
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I know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in general

Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement

For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on November 04, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
Disco has some of the sickest baselines.
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Post by: animalflesh on November 05, 2021, 05:15:11 AM
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I know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in general

Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement
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For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)

This is a fact, and Pump Up The Volume is a must watch for any 70s/ 80s music fan to get a sense of renewed perspective
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 05, 2021, 05:35:51 AM
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abbas not bad
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I know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in general

Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement
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For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)
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This is a fact, and Pump Up The Volume is a must watch for any 70s/ 80s music fan to get a sense of renewed perspective

Following this up with the addition of fantastic documentary about Chicago House music. An offshoot of disco music that had its roots in the black lgbtqia+ scene in Chicago. High key fucking love Chicago house.

https://youtu.be/9Rah1F1zq1k
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 05, 2021, 06:56:46 AM
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abbas not bad
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I know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in general

Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement
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For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)
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This is a fact, and Pump Up The Volume is a must watch for any 70s/ 80s music fan to get a sense of renewed perspective
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Following this up with the addition of fantastic documentary about Chicago House music. An offshoot of disco music that had its roots in the black lgbtqia+ scene in Chicago. High key fucking love Chicago house.

https://youtu.be/9Rah1F1zq1k

The one rules too! There is some crossover but both need to be seen for sure.

Electronic music as we know it exists because of black and queer innovators, and it makes me a little crazy that (particularly with the fetishization of Berlin club culture) it is so often viewed through this Eurocentric lens.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on November 05, 2021, 08:29:55 AM
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I know Abba isnt traditionally considered Disco but Disco is fucking dope in general

Its super wack a bunch of haters, racists and homophobes started that "disco sucks" movement
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For real. Anyone who needs a rundown of "disco sucks" as a racist/homophobic movement should check the house music doc "Pump Up The Volume". Posted it in the music docs but leaving the link here for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRg8M4fvUo)
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This is a fact, and Pump Up The Volume is a must watch for any 70s/ 80s music fan to get a sense of renewed perspective
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Following this up with the addition of fantastic documentary about Chicago House music. An offshoot of disco music that had its roots in the black lgbtqia+ scene in Chicago. High key fucking love Chicago house.

https://youtu.be/9Rah1F1zq1k
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The one rules too! There is some crossover but both need to be seen for sure.

Electronic music as we know it exists because of black and queer innovators, and it makes me a little crazy that (particularly with the fetishization of Berlin club culture) it is so often viewed through this Eurocentric lens.
alright finally!! this is something that picked up on when I started doing heelflip Body variels or "heelflip Sex change" or more commonly known as the "disco flip". super illegal flatground trick, but when I was younger i thought it was because skating comes from a punk background and the punks also hated disco thus they named the ugly trick as such. This one is way more thought out than the gay twist. kook me but current house and hip hop sences are so removed from what I consider their prime years that I cant stand to listen to most of it. Like if house and hip hop were neighborhoods, they would have already been gentrified. lol
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 05, 2021, 12:17:47 PM
Pop music is some of the best there is.

Case and point below.



You do know this is the unpopular opinions thread, and that "pop" is short for "popular"?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 05, 2021, 05:19:30 PM
Smashing Pumpkins in their prime were better than Nirvana. This is not a judgment on character, as Billy Corgan is a douche. But from about 1990 until whenever Mellon Collie came out he wrote some bangers. The guitars a bit louder, the solos just a bit sweeter. And the drumming? Fughettaboutit. Full disclosure I am not a NiRvANa fan at al.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 06, 2021, 02:57:05 PM
Smashing Pumpkins in their prime were better than Nirvana. This is not a judgment on character, as Billy Corgan is a douche. But from about 1990 until whenever Mellon Collie came out he wrote some bangers. The guitars a bit louder, the solos just a bit sweeter. And the drumming? Fughettaboutit. Full disclosure I am not a NiRvANa fan at al.

i don't know how to compare the two, but i did love early--perhaps some of the earliest--Smashing Pumpkins.

i'm old enough to where i used to get the SubPop "Singles Club" 7"s periodically and buy Sub Pop 7"s, and in addition to how valuable the Dinosaur Jr 7" of "The Wagon" is to me (on white vinyl), i wore out the Smashing Pumpkins 7" to the point that despite how valuable it became, my copy wasn't worth shit...on pink marbled vinyl. "Tristessa" on A, "La Dolly Vita" on B...love them both to this day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls61OUojUYU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BdNOOmuseg

https://www.discogs.com/release/538067-Smashing-Pumpkins-Tristessa
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 06, 2021, 03:59:34 PM
I would rather listen to just about anything than the smashing blumpkins. Possibly the worst band of all time, like the MAGA version of My Bloody Valentine. Lucky for them, Frank Zappa exists so there can be something (maybe) worse.

No disrespect if you like them, I just think they suck.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 06, 2021, 04:46:47 PM
Oh come on they’re not that bad
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 06, 2021, 05:02:49 PM
Zappa made really interesting and cool music, he was just a tremendous asshole.

I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on November 06, 2021, 05:16:17 PM

Travis Scott has claimed the pathetic title of being the sole rapper to have had a mass casualty event at his concert, and its all his doing, Kids were hanging to light fixtures begging him to stop the show and he never did. To hell with this clout chasing clown, his music was already whack before but I hope this really opens eyes to how much of an ass he is. Like A mom literally made a go fund me to fund her son’s funeral, wtf.

The fact people legit died in his concert legitimates my deep hatred for him and the culture he stands for, and markets to kids, “raging” and that bullshit with not managing your anger and releasing it in a reckless and physically destructive way, shame, shame on that clown. Throw his records in the bin.

link to the page https://www.gofundme.com/f/my-son-died-at-his-favorite-artists-concert
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 06, 2021, 05:30:57 PM
I'm late to the party, but I also prefer Oasis to the Beatles.

That's not to say the Beatles don't have some good songs, I just never got into them other than said songs (Yesterday, Elanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, I Get By, I'm Only Sleeping). And good people have tried to change my opinion, but no dice.

I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.

I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr
Now this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on November 06, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
dinosaur jr helps me focus on work, when I sense my focus drifting and faltering i put them in and bam I’m back in the zone. also great songs to skate to!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 06, 2021, 06:23:14 PM
Zappa made really interesting and cool music, he was just a tremendous asshole.

I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr

(https://www.bkmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/new-jack-city-wesley-snipes.jpg)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 07, 2021, 01:05:59 AM
I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr
if this doesn’t change your mind, I don’t know what will…
https://youtu.be/JgxcbjAhwvA
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 07, 2021, 06:59:24 AM
at this point, i understand the Smashing Pumpkins hate. i didn't really listen to much else from them like i did that single and b side

what i will never understand, is disliking Dinosaur Jr--skating and Dinosaur Jr are inextricable to me. admittedly, this is probably a generational thing, but for me, these parts are so indelible and invaluable to me as a skater--again, from my generation--that if i have been blowing it and not skating as much as i should be, i can not listen to Dinosaur Jr...it's like an accusation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09QH_K95tS0&t=96s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQalsNHRYGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGWuCznCShM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ-_s8C532g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNSpHdyYeQ&t=89s

which is also why i love and respect Greg Hunt's gesture of endearment here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfZeGhnLdUM&t=185s
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 07, 2021, 08:46:53 AM
To defend the honor of @DaleSr i will say I like deep wound more than dinosaur jr. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on November 07, 2021, 12:42:39 PM
I don't know any of his songs by name, nor would I ever listen to him on my own, but nobody gets a party going like Pitbull. Respect to him.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on November 07, 2021, 12:43:48 PM
dinosaur jr is just sonic youth for people who don't shower
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 07, 2021, 12:56:51 PM
dinosaur jr is just sonic youth for people who don't shower

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10rLJjBLQZ8

You're it
No, you're it
Hey, you're really it
You're it
No, I mean it, you're it

Say it
Don't spray it
(Spirit desire)
Face me
(Spirit desire)
Don't displace me
(Spirit desire)
We will fall

Miss me
Don't dismiss me
Spirit desire

Spirit desire
Spirit desire
Spirit desire
We will fall

Spirit desire
We will fall

Spirit desire
Spirit desire
Spirit desire
We will fall

Spirit desire
We will fall

Everybody's talking 'bout the stormy weather
And what's a man do to but work out whether it's true
Looking for a man with a focus and a temper
Who can open up a map and see between one and two

Time to get it, before you let it get to you
Here he comes now, stick to your guns and let him through

Everybody's coming from the winter vacation
Taking in the sun in a exaltation to you
You come running in on platform shoes
With Marshall stacks to at least just give us a clue

Ah, here it comes, I know it's someone I knew
Teenage riot in a public station
Gonna fight and tear it up in a hyper nation for you

Now I see it, I think I'll leave it out of the way
Now I come near you and it's not clear why you make the away

Looking for a ride to a secret location
Where the kids are setting up a free-speed nation, for you
Got a foghorn and a drum and a hammer that's rockin'
And a cord and a pedal and a lock, that'll do for now

It better work out, I hope it works out my way
'Cause it's getting kind of quiet in my city ahead
It takes a teen age riot to get me out of bed right now

You better look it, we're gonna shake it up to him
He acts the hero, we paint a zero on his hand

We know it's down, we know it's bound too loose
Everybody's sound is 'round it
Everybody wants to be proud to choose
So who's to blame for the stormy weather
You're never gonna stop all the teenage leather and booze

It's time to go 'round, a one man showdown, teach us how to fail
We're off the streets now and back on the road, on the riot trail

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 07, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
Damn i didn't forsee me saying Dino jr isn't for me being my most unpopular opinion. This is great haha
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 07, 2021, 02:23:04 PM
Damn going hard on Dino Jr. and Sonic Youth. Thurston Moore is pretentious but damn is nothing sacred
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 07, 2021, 02:24:16 PM
Damn i didn't forsee me saying Dino jr isn't for me being my most unpopular opinion. This is great haha

i still love you Dale
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 07, 2021, 02:52:28 PM
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Damn i didn't forsee me saying Dino jr isn't for me being my most unpopular opinion. This is great haha
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i still love you Dale

Love you too bb

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on November 07, 2021, 10:04:01 PM

I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.


Except for Wings though. Wings is objectively horrible.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 08, 2021, 02:06:50 AM
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Pop music is some of the best there is.

Case and point below.


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You do know this is the unpopular opinions thread, and that "pop" is short for "popular"?
And yet it's popular to think all pop music is top 40 garbage.


Also, Led Zeppelin is popular so does that make them pop music?


Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 08, 2021, 05:22:17 AM
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Pop music is some of the best there is.

Case and point below.


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You do know this is the unpopular opinions thread, and that "pop" is short for "popular"?
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And yet it's popular to think all pop music is top 40 garbage.


Also, Led Zeppelin is popular so does that make them pop music?

Its popular to be contrarian.

My point was that "pop" music is generally popular. Not quite sure how Led Zeppelin being a popular classic rock band negates the fact that pop music is in fact, generally popular. Are you trying to make some sort of point that other bands that aren't labeled as "pop music" are popular? Not sure why that matters.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on November 08, 2021, 07:08:44 AM
To defend the honor of @DaleSr i will say I like deep wound more than dinosaur jr.
Im listening to let’s go to the mall rn haha! I saw dinosaur jr. in 2018 and they sucked.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 08, 2021, 07:56:51 AM
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Except for Wings though. Wings is objectively horrible.

Wings is not good. George is the best Beatle. It's a low key good thing for John's legacy that he was martyred because he would be fucking insufferable now. I feel like he would make Morrissey look like mother Teresa
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on November 08, 2021, 08:31:28 AM
I'm late to the party, but I also prefer Oasis to the Beatles.

That's not to say the Beatles don't have some good songs, I just never got into them other than said songs (Yesterday, Elanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, I Get By, I'm Only Sleeping). And good people have tried to change my opinion, but no dice.

I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.

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Now this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
What are you high on crack or meth? How the actual goddamn fuck do you compare the two?!

Just cause they’re from England has very little to no comparison to their sound.

How many albums are there of The Beatles versus Blowais that you either skip and skip and play one song on an entire album? I’ll be here patiently waiting…….
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on November 08, 2021, 09:05:18 AM
I love both but...

Sebadoh > Dino jr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5m19SF0ync&ab_channel=cougarkill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ScgbJRJEQ&list=PL3xH344dVqzoz5tPilPpCzgb6Mn5i_cou&index=14&ab_channel=mikeearley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427cKssMigM&list=PLMxy067kbpQin4vGuUz2vLgLyFHqkoTeq&ab_channel=Sebadoh-Topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFniGEsV3Qs&ab_channel=SubPop
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 08, 2021, 09:17:43 AM
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I'm late to the party, but I also prefer Oasis to the Beatles.

That's not to say the Beatles don't have some good songs, I just never got into them other than said songs (Yesterday, Elanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, I Get By, I'm Only Sleeping). And good people have tried to change my opinion, but no dice.

I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.

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Now this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
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What are you high on crack or meth? How the actual goddamn fuck do you compare the two?!

Just cause they’re from England has very little to no comparison to their sound.

How many albums are there of The Beatles versus Blowais that you either skip and skip and play one song on an entire album? I’ll be here patiently waiting…….

Haha, I based my post on an earlier discussion in the thread, check it out a couple pages back.
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Post by: LordManHammer on November 08, 2021, 09:33:09 AM
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I'm late to the party, but I also prefer Oasis to the Beatles.

That's not to say the Beatles don't have some good songs, I just never got into them other than said songs (Yesterday, Elanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, I Get By, I'm Only Sleeping). And good people have tried to change my opinion, but no dice.

I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.

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I also don't get the hype with dinosaur jr
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Now this I don't understand, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
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What are you high on crack or meth? How the actual goddamn fuck do you compare the two?!

Just cause they’re from England has very little to no comparison to their sound.

How many albums are there of The Beatles versus Blowais that you either skip and skip and play one song on an entire album? I’ll be here patiently waiting…….
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Haha, I based my post on an earlier discussion in the thread, check it out a couple pages back.
I’m just kidding though, I can get some comparisons relatively but Beatles have a huge discography compared to Oasis.

Plus the Gallagher brothers are twats, I guess their behavior sucks and it’s sullied my opinion of their music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Andmoreagain on November 08, 2021, 03:14:24 PM
All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.

I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.

I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on November 08, 2021, 03:29:39 PM
All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.

I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.

I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.

im generation Z or Y or whatever the hell 2000-2001 is, and being honest here, I found ween thru some dumb mid 2010 meme with a horrible rip of ocean man edited over a tsunami footage from some disaster flick. Ended up listening to their whole album and I’ll be your Johnny on the spot » is still one of the catchiest tunes I’ve heard in my life, im still miffed noone’s used it in a part yet. Polka Dot Tail is also amazing, so trippy and weird but god damn that melody and singing…
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on November 08, 2021, 04:57:33 PM
Ween might be jokey, but they hit so many styles and do it all really well. I'm not a super fan or anything, but I respect how diverse their sound is. It's like they can play any style just as good as bands who do that style seriously, but they're just having fun with it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on November 08, 2021, 05:23:08 PM
ween is definitely not for me, but i got no qualms with that being someone's thing.

come to think of it, if ween was someone's thing, they'd probably be kinda fun to be around.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Uh Oh on November 08, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
I am a Ween super fan and I hate jam bands. I actually braved Lockn 2016 for Ween exclusively.

@JB nailed it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 08, 2021, 07:19:08 PM
All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.

I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.

I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.

This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on November 09, 2021, 04:08:14 PM
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All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.

I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.

I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.
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This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.

I actually feel like our generation (sort of) actually pushed this weird 90’s fascination. The whole “the 90’s were better blah blah” and now the next one is pushing that Y2K was better and so on. So I feel like there’s a massive overrated phenomenon across 90’s music. Meanwhile most of my pals who were adults in those times don’t understand this fascination either… maybe because indie music exploded in that decade? I’m not into nirvana and pearl jam an all those bands at all too, few individual songs I like, can’t bother with the rest
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Post by: cucktard on November 09, 2021, 05:57:31 PM
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All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.

I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.

I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.
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This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.
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I actually feel like our generation (sort of) actually pushed this weird 90’s fascination. The whole “the 90’s were better blah blah” and now the next one is pushing that Y2K was better and so on. So I feel like there’s a massive overrated phenomenon across 90’s music. Meanwhile most of my pals who were adults in those times don’t understand this fascination either… maybe because indie music exploded in that decade? I’m not into nirvana and pearl jam an all those bands at all too, few individual songs I like, can’t bother with the rest

But I think the 90’s actually WERE fascinating, not just indie exploded.

EVERYTHING exploded. All different types of punk, ska, big band, drum&bass, hip hop had its Golden Era with a ton of diversity, and new styles including trip hop.

And then you have it hand in hand with the explosions of new school skateboarding and snowboarding. It really was exciting, with people innovating constantly.

It was a culture-wide renaissance after the excesses of the 80’s.
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Post by: Easy Slider on November 09, 2021, 10:48:03 PM
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All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.

I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.

I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.
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This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.
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I actually feel like our generation (sort of) actually pushed this weird 90’s fascination. The whole “the 90’s were better blah blah” and now the next one is pushing that Y2K was better and so on. So I feel like there’s a massive overrated phenomenon across 90’s music. Meanwhile most of my pals who were adults in those times don’t understand this fascination either… maybe because indie music exploded in that decade? I’m not into nirvana and pearl jam an all those bands at all too, few individual songs I like, can’t bother with the rest
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But I think the 90’s actually WERE fascinating, not just indie exploded.

EVERYTHING exploded. All different types of punk, ska, big band, drum&bass, hip hop had its Golden Era with a ton of diversity, and new styles including trip hop.

And then you have it hand in hand with the explosions of new school skateboarding and snowboarding. It really was exciting, with people innovating constantly.


It was a culture-wide renaissance after the excesses of the 80’s.

This is exactly how I see it.
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Post by: Coastal Fever on November 10, 2021, 06:05:04 AM
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I'd say the solo Beatle work moves me a bit more than the Beatles, even.


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Except for Wings though. Wings is objectively horrible.
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Wings is not good. George is the best Beatle. It's a low key good thing for John's legacy that he was martyred because he would be fucking insufferable now. I feel like he would make Morrissey look like mother Teresa
Alright I’ll stir the pot.  I’d rather listen to Wings Greatest Hits over any Beatles album.  Junior’s Farm, With A Little Luck, Let Em In… all bangers.  I will admit that some of Paul’s songwriting and lyrics are dumb as hell though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on November 12, 2021, 07:46:11 AM
Lotto should have won the second battle in 8 mile
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Post by: doublesteveburger on November 12, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
I love the aquabats more than I love some serious bands so I kinda sorta get the ween take. Ween’s alright. This is coming from someone who enjoys ska though so what the hell do I know.
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Post by: DaleSr on November 12, 2021, 10:55:56 PM
I love the aquabats more than I love some serious bands so I kinda sorta get the ween take. Ween’s alright. This is coming from someone who enjoys ska though so what the hell do I know.

Can you hear me
These fashion zombies
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on November 13, 2021, 09:30:34 AM
I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 13, 2021, 09:46:55 AM
I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.

That shit is guaranteed burn out music down here. So many mediocre doofuses who love white guy reggae shlock. I can see some dude named trent with black fly sunglasses, a rebelution tee, o neill shorts and plaid DCs that he's had since 03 rolling up to me on a sector 9 with the dirtiest bong stashed in his back pack blasting santeria through a Bluetooth speaker.
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Post by: LordManHammer on November 13, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
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I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.
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That shit is guaranteed burn out music down here. So many mediocre doofuses who love white guy reggae shlock. I can see some dude named trent with black fly sunglasses, a rebelution tee, o neill shorts and plaid DCs that he's had since 03 rolling up to me on a sector 9 with the dirtiest bong stashed in his back pack blasting santeria through a Bluetooth speaker.
Ughhh I can already hear the doofuses voice. Part of the reason I don’t like going to a skate park I don’t give a shit.

like heeeyyyyy bro I don’t like skate just like for transportation man…… then proceeds to try to sell me his used normal board but it’s from 05’ stress cracks and sharktoothed like nah man I’m good.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: beatifk on November 13, 2021, 12:05:40 PM
I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.

Is this really an unpopular opinion? Has anyone ever met a decent human being that enjoys Sublime?

The landlord of one of my old apartments was trying to fuck this girl who was doing an internship in the city I was living so he let her move into the house for the duration of her internship. She quickly became friends with all the local crusty hippy idiots and would invite them over for dinner parties which was almost always vegan curry. They would sit around the house eating curry and smoking dirt weed sometimes breaking out banjos or ukuleles or some other obnoxious instruments which they would play very poorly and they would all sing along. It was quite a scene.

Anyways, one night I left the house around 8pm to get some dinner with friends and then to go to a party after. Normal Saturday night stuff. When I left the house one of the guys was freestyle rapping (obviously very poorly) over Santeria while one of the other idiots was slamming the keys on our piano trying to find the “groove” of the song I guess. I left the house, got into my friend’s car and just starting laughing. It was awful.

When I returned to the house at around 3am that night I walked in the door and the same guy was rapping over the same song. I felt like I had walked into the Twilight Zone. It was unbelievable. The rest of the crew looked like absolute zombies like they had sat around smoking opium all night (which they had done in the house before so it wasn’t inconceivable) just listening to this guy.

To this day I wonder if he was rapping the entire time or what exactly had transpired in those 7 hours. It was surreal.

That was the moment I decided to move out of that house.

Sublime are fucking awful.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 13, 2021, 12:42:03 PM
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I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.
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Is this really an unpopular opinion? Has anyone ever met a decent human being that enjoys Sublime?

The landlord of one of my old apartments was trying to fuck this girl who was doing an internship in the city I was living so he let her move into the house for the duration of her internship. She quickly became friends with all the local crusty hippy idiots and would invite them over for dinner parties which was almost always vegan curry. They would sit around the house eating curry and smoking dirt weed sometimes breaking out banjos or ukuleles or some other obnoxious instruments which they would play very poorly and they would all sing along. It was quite a scene.

Anyways, one night I left the house around 8pm to get some dinner with friends and then to go to a party after. Normal Saturday night stuff. When I left the house one of the guys was freestyle rapping (obviously very poorly) over Santeria while one of the other idiots was slamming the keys on our piano trying to find the “groove” of the song I guess. I left the house, got into my friend’s car and just starting laughing. It was awful.

When I returned to the house at around 3am that night I walked in the door and the same guy was rapping over the same song. I felt like I had walked into the Twilight Zone. It was unbelievable. The rest of the crew looked like absolute zombies like they had sat around smoking opium all night (which they had done in the house before so it wasn’t inconceivable) just listening to this guy.

To this day I wonder if he was rapping the entire time or what exactly had transpired in those 7 hours. It was surreal.

That was the moment I decided to move out of that house.

Sublime are fucking awful.

https://youtu.be/zXo9nBLbBD0

This shit got me feeling like bigfoot bjornsen
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 13, 2021, 01:59:23 PM
Sublime makes music for people that have puked into the ocean.
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Post by: LordManHammer on November 13, 2021, 02:44:40 PM
Sublime makes music for people that have puked into the ocean.
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I hate Sublime not that I don’t like other ska bands just my exwife and subsequent other’s whom I’ve been with have tried their hardest to get me in to it and nope I mean it when I fucking hate that band.
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Is this really an unpopular opinion? Has anyone ever met a decent human being that enjoys Sublime?

The landlord of one of my old apartments was trying to fuck this girl who was doing an internship in the city I was living so he let her move into the house for the duration of her internship. She quickly became friends with all the local crusty hippy idiots and would invite them over for dinner parties which was almost always vegan curry. They would sit around the house eating curry and smoking dirt weed sometimes breaking out banjos or ukuleles or some other obnoxious instruments which they would play very poorly and they would all sing along. It was quite a scene.

Anyways, one night I left the house around 8pm to get some dinner with friends and then to go to a party after. Normal Saturday night stuff. When I left the house one of the guys was freestyle rapping (obviously very poorly) over Santeria while one of the other idiots was slamming the keys on our piano trying to find the “groove” of the song I guess. I left the house, got into my friend’s car and just starting laughing. It was awful.

When I returned to the house at around 3am that night I walked in the door and the same guy was rapping over the same song. I felt like I had walked into the Twilight Zone. It was unbelievable. The rest of the crew looked like absolute zombies like they had sat around smoking opium all night (which they had done in the house before so it wasn’t inconceivable) just listening to this guy.

To this day I wonder if he was rapping the entire time or what exactly had transpired in those 7 hours. It was surreal.

That was the moment I decided to move out of that house.

Sublime are fucking awful.
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https://youtu.be/zXo9nBLbBD0

This shit got me feeling like bigfoot bjornsen
Honestly I don’t think anyone should die but if the singer didn’t overdose would they really matter?

A shitty band that mimics Smashmouth or something else even worse, I think I’d rather walk than listen to this crap in someone’s car.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: JB on November 13, 2021, 04:12:01 PM
I think I'd choose sublime over 311, but it's tough.
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Post by: Frank on November 13, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
Sublime makes music for people that have puked into the ocean.

ahahahaha
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Post by: DaleSr on November 13, 2021, 04:53:12 PM
I think I'd choose sublime over 311, but it's tough.

This is a tough choice. I've seen 311 live and it was fucking horrendous, but sublime is all time suck. I've seen so many burnt chicks around here with that fucking sun tattoo
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Post by: doublesteveburger on November 13, 2021, 06:04:16 PM
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Sublime makes music for people that have puked into the ocean.
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ahahahaha


So accurate
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Post by: pro club blanks on November 14, 2021, 01:02:44 PM
When it comes to mid 2000s rappers flirting with gothic elements in hip hop

Spaceghostpurrp>asap rocky
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 14, 2021, 05:32:13 PM
When it comes to mid 2000s rappers flirting with gothic elements in hip hop

Spaceghostpurrp>asap rocky

When SGP came out, I cannot even begin to tell you how hyped that shit got me. "Lustful '97" just hit a certain way that little else has.
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Post by: newguy on November 15, 2021, 04:02:29 AM
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All of these 90s alternative bands are kind of boring. Dino Jr most of all. Like them in skate vid context for nostalgic reasons tho.

I don't like Jonathan Richman. There's an affectation to him I can't get over.

I don't get people who love Ween. They're alright in a jokey kind of way. Some good songs. Why are so many people so invested in this band? Jam band vibes also.
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This is pretty much how i feel. It might be because I'm the generation right after, but I've never been into nirvana, pearl jam, ween, dino jr, the offspring, etc.
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I actually feel like our generation (sort of) actually pushed this weird 90’s fascination. The whole “the 90’s were better blah blah” and now the next one is pushing that Y2K was better and so on. So I feel like there’s a massive overrated phenomenon across 90’s music. Meanwhile most of my pals who were adults in those times don’t understand this fascination either… maybe because indie music exploded in that decade? I’m not into nirvana and pearl jam an all those bands at all too, few individual songs I like, can’t bother with the rest
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But I think the 90’s actually WERE fascinating, not just indie exploded.

EVERYTHING exploded. All different types of punk, ska, big band, drum&bass, hip hop had its Golden Era with a ton of diversity, and new styles including trip hop.

And then you have it hand in hand with the explosions of new school skateboarding and snowboarding. It really was exciting, with people innovating constantly.

It was a culture-wide renaissance after the excesses of the 80’s.

right now I can see why the 90’s are so revered when you see it under that lens. Shoe design was also really crazy…
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Brguy on November 15, 2021, 05:21:53 AM
I think the 90s was the real age were underground stuff really blew up, you'd raise a rock and find some weirdo doing some weird shit and a bunch of other weirdos enjoying it.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 15, 2021, 06:18:54 AM
I love the aquabats more than I love some serious bands so I kinda sorta get the ween take. Ween’s alright. This is coming from someone who enjoys ska though so what the hell do I know.

I'm sure I said something like this earlier in this thread but this whole tangent is my ongoing ska defense


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl7HnBxD4Qg
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Post by: Frank on November 15, 2021, 07:26:02 AM
the 90s were the first decade where you basically could buy into a subculture. not only were these subcultures now broadcasted via mtv and other things, the 90s were the decade that brought you chain stores selling punk, goth, and skate stuff. then towards the end of the 90s the internet accelerated that process even more. it was the start of commercialization and never before seen availability of goods that were traded only amongst dedicated communities before. with bad outcomes like hypercommercialization and a lot of fake shit coming up, and good outcomes like showing people alternative lifestyles and music.

i feel like 90s nostalgia is fueled mainly by two things: the feeling that all the cool shit we like now was already done by then, which is typically coming up every twenty years or so. in the 90s people said the 70s were the last really good decade, in the 00s people were trying to emulate the 80s aesthetic and said man, the 90s were wack as fuck. and now those who were babies in the 90s or early 00s are interested in what they missed. naturally the nostalgia would be the strongest from those groups who were either in their adolescence, kid or teen years or those that barely missed it but sort of see themselves as "90s kids" because they were born 98 or something.

i personally don't miss the 90s that much.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 15, 2021, 07:30:01 AM
a couple of things

first, i'm 50, so i was around for the early stages of punk and rap/hip-hop, and i personally believe that the 1990s (at least the early to mid-90s) were creative and ideological high-points in the lineages of both these realms of music. i've already carried on enough about early and mid-1990s "indie" music, but seriously, it was a great time to have a sick local record store with lots of vinyl. also, it's funny to me to see The Offspring listed next to Dinosaur Jr above (sorry Dale)--the latter was on the original SST roster after all.

also, i love the ska conversation, and--ironically i guess--i'm thankful i stopped paying attention to "new" ska around the 1990s...yuck. that being said, considering ska's long history, i do indeed think the whole 2-Tone era was a "golden era" for ska, at least for bands doing lots of cool covers of original stuff, and in this regard, i love a number of the performances from that old Dance Craze movie...The Specials' performance of "Concrete Jungle" was intense as hell. i'll include some favorites here just because i can (i've probably shared these somewhere else, but i'm too lazy to look):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qh63nu1OQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZWvqBir2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5SZ4akfoAo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eYCMxehMRc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R4ecjpUn50
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 15, 2021, 07:57:27 AM
ween is definitely not for me, but i got no qualms with that being someone's thing.

come to think of it, if ween was someone's thing, they'd probably be kinda fun to be around.

yes...i can in fact attest to this

i understand why people nerd out on Ween, even if i never really have--there's so much to explore, kind of like Guided by Voices. personally, this is my favorite thing about Ween

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCQVYYfdrnE
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Post by: Prinzy on November 15, 2021, 05:24:19 PM
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ween is definitely not for me, but i got no qualms with that being someone's thing.

come to think of it, if ween was someone's thing, they'd probably be kinda fun to be around.
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yes...i can in fact attest to this

give us a good ween friend story.

super specific unpopular opinion, but i'd almost rather see a band cover a Death Threat song as opposed to actually see Death Threat perform.

i fucking love the songs on Peace & Security, a lot of fucking hits on there, but i find the vocals and lyrics laughable at times. they're bad in a way that i find endearing, so i've have grown to enjoy the really good songwriting on display underneath the goofy vocals.

but, i'd imagine a good local band whipping out of a cover of outcast or dead at birth would be way more than fun than actually seeing Death Threat live in 2021.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on November 15, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
My take us that who complain about politics in music or ‘preachy’ bands like Fugazi or Crass usually have asshole behavior or views they know us wrong, but don’t like yo be confronted with it.
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Post by: Brguy on November 15, 2021, 11:54:18 PM
the 90s were the first decade where you basically could buy into a subculture. not only were these subcultures now broadcasted via mtv and other things, the 90s were the decade that brought you chain stores selling punk, goth, and skate stuff. then towards the end of the 90s the internet accelerated that process even more. it was the start of commercialization and never before seen availability of goods that were traded only amongst dedicated communities before. with bad outcomes like hypercommercialization and a lot of fake shit coming up, and good outcomes like showing people alternative lifestyles and music.

i feel like 90s nostalgia is fueled mainly by two things: the feeling that all the cool shit we like now was already done by then, which is typically coming up every twenty years or so. in the 90s people said the 70s were the last really good decade, in the 00s people were trying to emulate the 80s aesthetic and said man, the 90s were wack as fuck. and now those who were babies in the 90s or early 00s are interested in what they missed. naturally the nostalgia would be the strongest from those groups who were either in their adolescence, kid or teen years or those that barely missed it but sort of see themselves as "90s kids" because they were born 98 or something.

i personally don't miss the 90s that much.
Maybe reincarnation is real and people miss their past lives, 20 year olds today were living in the 90s before reincarnation.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 16, 2021, 02:24:40 PM

 also, it's funny to me to see The Offspring listed next to Dinosaur Jr above (sorry Dale)--the latter was on the original SST roster after all.


Fair point, they're not totally equivalent, i was just lumping all the 90s bands in my mind together
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Post by: Huell Howser on November 16, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
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 also, it's funny to me to see The Offspring listed next to Dinosaur Jr above (sorry Dale)--the latter was on the original SST roster after all.

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Fair point, they're not totally equivalent, i was just lumping all the 90s bands in my mind together

not equivalent at all! lol^ but I get where you're coming from

not sure if this is a hot take but i don't get Animal Collective(feel like they're popular within skating)
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Post by: T4T on November 17, 2021, 04:34:07 AM
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fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
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You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana. 

People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.

Nirvana rules.
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quite literally with this--i always appreciated his K Records tattoo (Olympia, WA) which brought me--among many other splendid things--one of my all-time favorite bands and albums

these are not fall colors


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04)

and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc)


Oh my god thank you for sharing Lync, they are unfathomably sick
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Post by: newguy on November 17, 2021, 05:24:11 AM
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the 90s were the first decade where you basically could buy into a subculture. not only were these subcultures now broadcasted via mtv and other things, the 90s were the decade that brought you chain stores selling punk, goth, and skate stuff. then towards the end of the 90s the internet accelerated that process even more. it was the start of commercialization and never before seen availability of goods that were traded only amongst dedicated communities before. with bad outcomes like hypercommercialization and a lot of fake shit coming up, and good outcomes like showing people alternative lifestyles and music.

i feel like 90s nostalgia is fueled mainly by two things: the feeling that all the cool shit we like now was already done by then, which is typically coming up every twenty years or so. in the 90s people said the 70s were the last really good decade, in the 00s people were trying to emulate the 80s aesthetic and said man, the 90s were wack as fuck. and now those who were babies in the 90s or early 00s are interested in what they missed. naturally the nostalgia would be the strongest from those groups who were either in their adolescence, kid or teen years or those that barely missed it but sort of see themselves as "90s kids" because they were born 98 or something.

i personally don't miss the 90s that much.
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Maybe reincarnation is real and people miss their past lives, 20 year olds today were living in the 90s before reincarnation.

getting all this 90’s nostalgia wave pushed into my feeds 2-3 years ago before I nuked my social media accounts really showed my some interesting things, mostly design and aesthetics; my family is heavy on 90’s music so that was covered. I developed this weird obsession with 90’s fleece patterns and graphic designs for instance, but id love to get to experience life back then, going to a record store or a blockbuster store, going thrifting before it became the kook filled scheme it is today, go to an underground show etc. Just one chance to enjoy that. And I’m a bit dense because the 90’s are a special spot right before the internet, arguably the most significant thing to happen in recent history (aka 20-30 years) and it took me time to realise this


anyhow what’s the consensus on tame impala in this board? Kook or not kook? I dig their music (their love shows are awesome) but it does feel completely overblown and pretentious sometimes.
I had never heard of TheWeeknd until yesterday when my sister played a song while we were doing the dishes and holy molly, i feel like an idiot for not listening to his music sooner.
Started to go through Bon Jovi too and also dig it.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 17, 2021, 06:13:55 AM
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fuck it, i’m throwing nirvana in the beatles conversation. nirvana is one of the few bands to ever exist that can be honestly compared with the beatles. they were a total sea change for all of music. they legitimately killed a genre that was moments before their ascent the most popular thing on earth. they’re also mostly remembered for their more novelty songs while having more experimental stuff buried on records.

nirvana also influenced music in a way kind of no one has. if you were to ask your favorite current band for a list of influences, even if they didn’t say nirvana, half the bands they listed probably would. that music put guitars in the hands of millions and those people became the taste makers of the next generation. i can’t think of another band that’s done that since the beatles.
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You know Nirvana mattered when the blow up of Nevermind is a significant milestone in other band's biographies that are older than Nirvana. 

People love being contrarians about that band but their impact can't really be downplayed. I don't think Nirvana were the first of their kind but Kurt tended to wear his influences on his sleeve while bringing something new to the table, and with that they went to a place that really opened the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses. Hell, even The Ramones talk about their final years being much more popular because of bands like Nirvana.

Nirvana rules.
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quite literally with this--i always appreciated his K Records tattoo (Olympia, WA) which brought me--among many other splendid things--one of my all-time favorite bands and albums

these are not fall colors


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8_YF_hn04)

and i don't think we align regarding Nirvana "open[ing] the floodgates for lots of interesting and provocative music to reach the masses" being a positive thing, but either way, Bleach is a classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgI2h35Pcc)
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Oh my god thank you for sharing Lync, they are unfathomably sick

cheers man...i actually just found out that Sam Jayne passed not so long ago--he sang and wrote all of the songs. fucking 2020...good riddance
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Post by: LordManHammer on November 17, 2021, 06:23:30 AM
Continuing with the 90’s ramblings and appreciation, there were spectacular things about the era for sure.

However alongside being in the know you really had to seek out certain things if not it was real gatekeeper kookery. Certain show’s venues bar’s where they didn’t ID.

The younger generation really doesn’t know or understand especially in the bible thumper south area you were shit outta luck if you didn’t have a link or a connection with music venues or skating.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 17, 2021, 07:31:38 AM
Hot take for the day: the imprisoned ep by harms way is far better than anything they released after.


https://youtu.be/L5FEm5jV4yo
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Post by: Frank on November 17, 2021, 09:13:00 AM
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the 90s were the first decade where you basically could buy into a subculture. not only were these subcultures now broadcasted via mtv and other things, the 90s were the decade that brought you chain stores selling punk, goth, and skate stuff. then towards the end of the 90s the internet accelerated that process even more. it was the start of commercialization and never before seen availability of goods that were traded only amongst dedicated communities before. with bad outcomes like hypercommercialization and a lot of fake shit coming up, and good outcomes like showing people alternative lifestyles and music.

i feel like 90s nostalgia is fueled mainly by two things: the feeling that all the cool shit we like now was already done by then, which is typically coming up every twenty years or so. in the 90s people said the 70s were the last really good decade, in the 00s people were trying to emulate the 80s aesthetic and said man, the 90s were wack as fuck. and now those who were babies in the 90s or early 00s are interested in what they missed. naturally the nostalgia would be the strongest from those groups who were either in their adolescence, kid or teen years or those that barely missed it but sort of see themselves as "90s kids" because they were born 98 or something.

i personally don't miss the 90s that much.
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Maybe reincarnation is real and people miss their past lives, 20 year olds today were living in the 90s before reincarnation.
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getting all this 90’s nostalgia wave pushed into my feeds 2-3 years ago before I nuked my social media accounts really showed my some interesting things, mostly design and aesthetics; my family is heavy on 90’s music so that was covered. I developed this weird obsession with 90’s fleece patterns and graphic designs for instance, but id love to get to experience life back then, going to a record store or a blockbuster store, going thrifting before it became the kook filled scheme it is today, go to an underground show etc. Just one chance to enjoy that. And I’m a bit dense because the 90’s are a special spot right before the internet, arguably the most significant thing to happen in recent history (aka 20-30 years) and it took me time to realise this


anyhow what’s the consensus on tame impala in this board? Kook or not kook? I dig their music (their love shows are awesome) but it does feel completely overblown and pretentious sometimes.
I had never heard of TheWeeknd until yesterday when my sister played a song while we were doing the dishes and holy molly, i feel like an idiot for not listening to his music sooner.
Started to go through Bon Jovi too and also dig it.

haha, i don't know man, i don't miss video rentals too much. those places could be black holes for money. you come out with 3 movies, an xbox game and 2 pints of ben & jerries which you were overcharged for. but it used to be sick when my friend worked at one and hooked us up with all the free stuff possible. basically never charging for rentals and bringing back whole backpacks of snacks home for free. we still had to buy games and movies though when they put them on sale at some point. dude used to straight up take one of their rental ps3s and left it in his place for over a year until it broke. needless to say he was fired at some point due to snitching.

on topic reply tho: not into tame impala, but i don't hate it. it's pretty random radio indie to me.

not really into the weeknd either, although he got a nice voice. again, this is radio music for me. i don't find it horrible, it's just there.

i used fuck heavily with bon jovi when i was like 8 or so. i liked every band that had a music video and around 92 or 93 a lot of bon jovi and guns n roses was on tv, some metallica, too. i thought bon jovi and gnr were super bad ass. even had posters of them and stuff. i also still listened to ridiculous kids techno at the same time. i was around 11 years old when some older friend of a friend gave us tapes with pantera, nwa, and some other pretty raw stuff when i started to become interested in rap, punk and metal and from that point on bon jovi and guns were cut lol.

there is this small documentary about bon jovis hey days and their feud with guns, some pretty wild stories and hair metal drama. i'm not even sure they might have feuded with motley crue too, i can't tell these bands even apart anymore. anyways, bon jovi are certified legends for that young guns 2 soundtrack song alone, fucking epic shit. 

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on November 17, 2021, 10:22:15 AM
lmfao at that blockbuster story, straight up taking a ps3 is a power move.

Need a link to that documentary though, that sounds interesting. Actually I got into Bon Jovi when me and my mates watched spaceballs recently and that fucking intro with the van and whatnot, Candy with those horrible ears eating solid gravy, had to check them out.

btw out of topic, but fuck me, no movie has made me laugh like Spaceballs did, watching this completely baked with 6 friends was one of the best decision/memories ill keep of my 20’s, when the radar scene happened we just lost it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 17, 2021, 09:34:32 PM
The weeknd is sick. Been listening since house of balloons. He makes excellent loving songs about coke.

Tame impala is cool. I like what Kevin puts down. He makes very infectious hooks and riffs
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on November 18, 2021, 07:30:13 AM
lmfao at that blockbuster story, straight up taking a ps3 is a power move.

Need a link to that documentary though, that sounds interesting. Actually I got into Bon Jovi when me and my mates watched spaceballs recently and that fucking intro with the van and whatnot, Candy with those horrible ears eating solid gravy, had to check them out.

btw out of topic, but fuck me, no movie has made me laugh like Spaceballs did, watching this completely baked with 6 friends was one of the best decision/memories ill keep of my 20’s, when the radar scene happened we just lost it.

i tried to look it up, but i'm not sure on what channel it was, i thought it was rock n roll true stories. but you can find little vids about the beef with gnr (and skid row apparently) all over youtube. i remember i listened to this by coincidence while playing metal wolf chaos and thinking "damn, that's insane haha" it's a lot of petty shit, but that makes it funny.

i have to watch spaceballs again for sure. especially since it's one of the few movies where the german syncro is actually funnier than the original. such a classic.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: LordManHammer on November 18, 2021, 07:34:18 AM
The weeknd is sick. Been listening since house of balloons. He makes excellent loving songs about coke.

Tame impala is cool. I like what Kevin puts down. He makes very infectious hooks and riffs
My gf got me into the weekend and it’s like Prince and MJ had a hybrid son that makes gangster ass smooth music.

I actually like it a lot and I’m very picky about new music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 18, 2021, 08:20:18 AM
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The weeknd is sick. Been listening since house of balloons. He makes excellent loving songs about coke.

Tame impala is cool. I like what Kevin puts down. He makes very infectious hooks and riffs
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My gf got me into the weekend and it’s like Prince and MJ had a hybrid son that makes gangster ass smooth music.

I actually like it a lot and I’m very picky about new music.

What's your favorite track of his? It will always be the morning for me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on November 18, 2021, 08:36:26 AM
Team Bon Jovi. I got to school when Slippery When Wet came out and everybody was stoked on it. I still like Slippery When Wet and New Jersey, after that it went downhill.

Also had the poster with the guys in front of the helicopter, hair metal at its best.

After that I got on Christian metal and discovered Stryper.  Their haircuts and fits put Bon Jovi to shame.  :D

(https://townsquare.media/site/838/files/img/bv/stryper-then.jpg)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on November 18, 2021, 11:07:10 AM
Tame impala is cool. I like what Kevin puts down. He makes very infectious hooks and riffs

Hard agree, Currents and Lonerism are great records.

Speaking of the cliche tumblr alt/indie bands, I think early Arctic Monkeys is fucking amazing. Nothing beats garage punk era Arctic Monkeys to me, was a massive band to me when i was 13 and still is to this day, timeless tracks imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJzfAiUk9aU&ab_channel=Minichou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHpfb9cIjw&ab_channel=FluorescentTeddy

also honorable mention to their middle era of their career when they were dumb heavy at moments, such as this track. Matt Helders will forever be my favorite drummer, dude is on another level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSnpJYv9l3o&ab_channel=Nonplusultraism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S1Dz8EewVM&ab_channel=Nonplusultraism

sorry to spam with videos, just very passionate about my unpopular opinion that the Arctic Monkeys are actually a very good, dynamic band and not just the corny tumblr/coachella/hipster aesthetic they got lumped into during the 2010's.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 19, 2021, 08:03:46 AM
Arctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on November 19, 2021, 11:12:27 AM
Arctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great

I had a feeling you were a fellow man of culture Dale.

Do Me A Favor and When The Sun Goes Down would easily make Top 5 Arctic Monkeys tracks.

New album is good, definitely not my favorite but some really good tracks that feel like a more mature, comprehensive approach to the style of the AM record. Tracks like The Ultracheese and One Point Perspective are highlights to me, Alex Turner’s lyrics are as witty as ever on them.

Curious on your thoughts as AM as an album though, I actually prefer it over Suck It And See but it pales in comparison to the greatness of the first three.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 19, 2021, 11:43:12 AM
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Arctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great
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I had a feeling you were a fellow man of culture Dale.

Do Me A Favor and When The Sun Goes Down would easily make Top 5 Arctic Monkeys tracks.

New album is good, definitely not my favorite but some really good tracks that feel like a more mature, comprehensive approach to the style of the AM record. Tracks like The Ultracheese and One Point Perspective ive are highlights to me, Alex Turner’s lyrics are as witty as ever on them.

Curious on your thoughts as AM as an album though, I actually prefer it over Suck It And See but it pales in comparison to the greatness of the first three.

I like AM, but i first started listening to Arctic Monkeys in 2011 when Suck it and See first came out, so it'll always have a soft spot in my heart. You never forget your first time yadda yadda yadda. Black treacle, that's where you're wrong, love is a laserquest, she's thunderstorms, all of these are worth revisiting because they all rip.

Having said that, no 1 party anthem might be one of my favorite songs by them ever. Sunglasses indoors par for the course.

Also if you haven't yet, listen to all the little eps they put out. There's tons of golden b side tracks on there like who the fuck are Arctic monkeys, no buses (another of my all time faves), settle for a draw, bigger boys and stolen sweethearts, the bakery, and baby I'm yours.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Skateboard Shuffle on November 19, 2021, 12:24:05 PM
Bon Jovi is terrible. I never thought that would need to be stated in an "unpopular opinions" thread. Lol.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on November 19, 2021, 01:05:24 PM
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Arctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great
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I had a feeling you were a fellow man of culture Dale.

Do Me A Favor and When The Sun Goes Down would easily make Top 5 Arctic Monkeys tracks.

New album is good, definitely not my favorite but some really good tracks that feel like a more mature, comprehensive approach to the style of the AM record. Tracks like The Ultracheese and One Point Perspective ive are highlights to me, Alex Turner’s lyrics are as witty as ever on them.

Curious on your thoughts as AM as an album though, I actually prefer it over Suck It And See but it pales in comparison to the greatness of the first three.
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I like AM, but i first started listening to Arctic Monkeys in 2011 when Suck it and See first came out, so it'll always have a soft spot in my heart. You never forget your first time yadda yadda yadda. Black treacle, that's where you're wrong, love is a laserquest, she's thunderstorms, all of these are worth revisiting because they all rip.

Having said that, no 1 party anthem might be one of my favorite songs by them ever. Sunglasses indoors par for the course.

Also if you haven't yet, listen to all the little eps they put out. There's tons of golden b side tracks on there like who the fuck are Arctic monkeys, no buses (another of my all time faves), settle for a draw, bigger boys and stolen sweethearts, the bakery, and baby I'm yours.

The parallels continue… suck it and see was my first album of theirs too, got into it alongside Black Keys El Camino that year. Black Treacle is a hit, also love Library Pictures.

Arctic Monkeys were the first band I ever really into when I was like 11, nerded out over every bside, demo, live recording, side project, everything. No Buses and Bigger Boys are great picks, would throw Stickin To The Floor, Da Frame 2R, and The Nettles are picks I’d toss on the bsides list. Turner’s score for the Submarine film is also great, those early recordings of Suck It And See tunes are dope.

Are you a fan of Turner’s side project The Last Shadow Puppets? Really like that first record.

Lastly, one of my favorite deep arctic monkeys cuts. Would’ve loved to see what would’ve happen if they just kept this sound.

https://youtu.be/WB2oD61OKuA
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DaleSr on November 19, 2021, 01:32:43 PM
Love submarine. I was watching that movie and misfits in my dorms in Portland being a filthy little anglophile.

Definitely dig last shadow puppets. My mistakes were made for you sounds like it would be a killer bond theme
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: skate_or_dingus on November 19, 2021, 02:50:02 PM
This stuff:

https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k

 is better than this stuff:

https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 19, 2021, 05:32:42 PM
This stuff:

https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k

 is better than this stuff:

https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg

I opened this thread because you posted and I know we like similar stuff. Boy oh boy.

This opinion is unpopular because it is wrong. And gross. To think, I almost started the harsh noise and power electronics thread today.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Glue Reed on November 19, 2021, 07:04:53 PM
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This stuff:

https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k

 is better than this stuff:

https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg
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I opened this thread because you posted and I know we like similar stuff. Boy oh boy.

This opinion is unpopular because it is wrong. And gross. To think, I almost started the harsh noise and power electronics thread today.

DO IT
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Post by: skate_or_dingus on November 19, 2021, 09:39:39 PM
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This stuff:

https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k

 is better than this stuff:

https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg
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I opened this thread because you posted and I know we like similar stuff. Boy oh boy.

This opinion is unpopular because it is wrong. And gross. To think, I almost started the harsh noise and power electronics thread today.
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DO IT

 Fiiiine I'll admit that I don't think WITTR are better than Mayhem, I just like 'em a whole lot more. Gotta get those jimmies rustlin' somehow, though.
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Post by: Frank on November 19, 2021, 09:54:00 PM
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This stuff:

https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k

 is better than this stuff:

https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg
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I opened this thread because you posted and I know we like similar stuff. Boy oh boy.

This opinion is unpopular because it is wrong. And gross. To think, I almost started the harsh noise and power electronics thread today.
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DO IT

yeah, that would be sick
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on November 20, 2021, 01:59:49 AM
This stuff:

https://youtu.be/rIGt9G4qA6k

 is better than this stuff:

https://youtu.be/qcS0CVJ1KPg
Black Metal in general hasn’t really done it for me in the past, the classic Norwegian stuff prides itself on the ”bootleg cassette” sound quality and and it seems so monotonous for the most part, like doom but played fast. I need to feel it in my chest you know?

Saw WitTR play live once as the first band of the night and it wasn’t really kicking off either. But I have learned to respect the genre a bit more in the recent years and especially the more atmospheric stuff has been in my rotation like this band

https://youtu.be/PWnyG4cJSwc

Music for walking through a snow covered forest
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Post by: newguy on November 20, 2021, 08:18:54 AM
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lmfao at that blockbuster story, straight up taking a ps3 is a power move.

Need a link to that documentary though, that sounds interesting. Actually I got into Bon Jovi when me and my mates watched spaceballs recently and that fucking intro with the van and whatnot, Candy with those horrible ears eating solid gravy, had to check them out.

btw out of topic, but fuck me, no movie has made me laugh like Spaceballs did, watching this completely baked with 6 friends was one of the best decision/memories ill keep of my 20’s, when the radar scene happened we just lost it.
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i tried to look it up, but i'm not sure on what channel it was, i thought it was rock n roll true stories. but you can find little vids about the beef with gnr (and skid row apparently) all over youtube. i remember i listened to this by coincidence while playing metal wolf chaos and thinking "damn, that's insane haha" it's a lot of petty shit, but that makes it funny.

i have to watch spaceballs again for sure. especially since it's one of the few movies where the german syncro is actually funnier than the original. such a classic.

oh my days german spaceballs is something I need to watch now, sounds mental  :D
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Post by: newguy on November 20, 2021, 08:26:45 AM
Ive also been listening again to the weird youtube mashups i’ve got saved in a playlist and Death Grips vocals makes any song better, its crazy how well Stefan’s voice goes with literally anything: doom music, animal crossing, mac demarco, fucking one direction even.

I also found a channel with hour long videos of early and live Radiohead track sorted by albums, I hope they release acoustic versions of their songs sometimes in the future…

Lastly, anyone here a fan of Eels? I rarely see anyone discuss his music online and its a shame, his music was basically my therapy for a while
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Post by: urbneathme on November 21, 2021, 07:49:25 AM
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Arctic monkeys slaps so hard. I love their earlier stuff. Mardy bum, brianstorm, when the sun goes down, fluorescent adolescent, balaclava, riot van, piledriver waltz, do me a favour, pretty much their first four albums are all total bangers. I didn't really like their last album but i should revisit because i felt that way with king of limbs came out from Radiohead and listening now i think that album is great
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I had a feeling you were a fellow man of culture Dale.

Do Me A Favor and When The Sun Goes Down would easily make Top 5 Arctic Monkeys tracks.

New album is good, definitely not my favorite but some really good tracks that feel like a more mature, comprehensive approach to the style of the AM record. Tracks like The Ultracheese and One Point Perspective are highlights to me, Alex Turner’s lyrics are as witty as ever on them.

Curious on your thoughts as AM as an album though, I actually prefer it over Suck It And See but it pales in comparison to the greatness of the first three.

big difference between the two is that suck it and see is an objectively bad album. AM is one of those records you can absolutely hate, but you still know the songwriting is solid. suck it and see they just totally lost the plot somehow. everything that comes before is stellar, i guess they just needed a total dud to be able to transition
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Post by: Hinna on November 21, 2021, 09:30:17 AM
bon jovi and sublime doesnt really bother me. morrisey im not into at all. talking heads either
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on November 21, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
i have always loved The Go-Gos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJjx1YtVoJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3kQlzOi27M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQyazt4RDTM

also, the soundtrack to Valley Girl is outstanding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqcA1PgPXw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSs63V-RmPk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFUgjEpRiLE
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Post by: pro club blanks on November 21, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
I really miss the mmg sound and production style
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Post by: Huell Howser on November 22, 2021, 01:20:16 PM
Tragedy > His Hero Is Gone  :-X

I can throw on that self titled album after a year or so of not listening and still hits so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3-GDkyug0
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 22, 2021, 01:29:38 PM
Tragedy > His Hero Is Gone  :-X

I can throw on that self titled album after a year or so of not listening and still hits so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3-GDkyug0

As always, hard agree.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on November 26, 2021, 03:42:26 PM
 https://youtu.be/2SvspO2Gry8 (https://youtu.be/2SvspO2Gry8) the ultimate gay band. You think your band has homosexual themes? THIS are homosexual themes
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on November 26, 2021, 05:01:46 PM
https://youtu.be/2SvspO2Gry8 (https://youtu.be/2SvspO2Gry8) the ultimate gay band. You think your band has homosexual themes? THIS are homosexual themes
This is tight^ Big shouts to all the lgbtqia+ homies. But I love me some violent queercore. Also gayrilla biscuits is best spit in the face to homophobic hardcore kids that could ever be made. Best covers in hardcore.

https://youtu.be/Fhz9LXX5AkE
https://youtu.be/80kRJUrlRsI
https://youtu.be/wyNOjg05vqk
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Post by: doublesteveburger on November 26, 2021, 08:24:46 PM
the village people had some bangers

http://youtu.be/hpttbL8J4N4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bob george on November 26, 2021, 10:45:46 PM
why wouldn't you like the Go-Gos? they're great.

somebody mentioned Eels up there a bit - i was into it for a moment when i was 19 - he has covered Prince occasionally in an interesting manner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SzN08Kr0kQ
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: newguy on December 28, 2021, 06:17:18 PM
why wouldn't you like the Go-Gos? they're great.

somebody mentioned Eels up there a bit - i was into it for a moment when i was 19 - he has covered Prince occasionally in an interesting manner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SzN08Kr0kQ

wow i never knew he had covered prince this is heavy. Eels has so many bangers with simple but hard hitting lyrics. This song is something else too https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HZNvp6WD6kY#menu
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prinzy on December 31, 2021, 01:31:30 PM
the misfits have no good releases post-static age

hybrid moments is one of the best punk songs ever written but the rest of their disocraphy is theatrical goofy nonsense, danzing, samhaim and all that stuff included

this may also be me being an ignorant youth and saying fuck your old head music, maybe itll grow on me
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 01, 2022, 06:42:30 AM
the misfits have no good releases post-static age

hybrid moments is one of the best punk songs ever written but the rest of their disocraphy is theatrical goofy nonsense, danzing, samhaim and all that stuff included


pretty much agree with all of this, especially on how incredible "Hybrid Moments" is...

...although, this version of She might actually edge Hybrid Moments out of that position for me...maybe...this version is as heavy as it gets and just radiates desperation...even more so edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that bank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8

i know this conversation occurred elsewhere in here, but would have loved more from this original incarnation of the Misfits--no guitar, just bass, drums, and organ/keyboard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCX7OIgzi60
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: rawr1922 on January 02, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
That Patty Hearst mashup pretty rad. Love the pic of her holding a gun with SLA symbol behind her. Always been obsessed with this one, can listen to on repeat...

https://youtu.be/rqq0OKITlxg
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 03, 2022, 06:16:59 PM
the misfits have no good releases post-static age

hybrid moments is one of the best punk songs ever written but the rest of their disocraphy is theatrical goofy nonsense, danzing, samhaim and all that stuff included

this may also be me being an ignorant youth and saying fuck your old head music, maybe itll grow on me

I don't think many would argue with you here. That's the misfits M.O. is theatrical goofy nonsense and I think that is what makes them so prolific. There's a great podcast called 'No Dogs In Space' made by one of the dudes from 'Last podcast on the left' and his wife where they go in very deep detail about the history of bands. They have a great 2 or 3 part epi on the misfits which is super interesting whether you love em or not. But it does touch on that Danzig was super influenced by huge rockstars as a kid(brain is foggy but I remember elvis being one of them) so him and Jerry treated the misfits like a business. I think they just naturally fell into the punk scene because they were 'weird' but they were trying to cash in during their whole existence(original line up with danzig) to no avail

podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-misfits-pt-i/id1495604041?i=1000475333274

as for Samhain - never got into em much but I do like this song which sounds like an extension of og misfits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPSv9Pe9sDc

and as cheesy as danzig gets I have a place in my heart for the first album and how the gods kill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafO5i3rAyE
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 03, 2022, 08:29:56 PM
I’m one of probably twelve people in the world that actually like Famous Monsters but I have a terrible taste in music so fuck you.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 07, 2022, 09:34:30 AM
faith no more sux and I don't understand the appeal to anything Mike Patton does
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Post by: CorneliusCardew on January 07, 2022, 10:35:12 AM
Haven't bought any new music since 1998 and I don't think I'm missing anything
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Post by: LordManHammer on January 07, 2022, 02:22:15 PM
I’m one of probably twelve people in the world that actually like Famous Monsters but I have a terrible taste in music so fuck you.
I back this, Yeah I joined with other’s like fuck this shit initially but it’s grown on me.

  What finally cemented the nail in the coffin was Michael Graves proud boy salute, I try to not let someone’s political stance affect their artistry, however racist’s gets no sympathy from me.

(https://i.ibb.co/MNXHGqS/C28-B41-E5-F4-C1-462-D-8-AA1-7-C59-CCC6-BB89.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MNXHGqS)
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Post by: bob george on January 10, 2022, 12:31:33 AM
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the misfits have no good releases post-static age

hybrid moments is one of the best punk songs ever written but the rest of their disocraphy is theatrical goofy nonsense, danzing, samhaim and all that stuff included

this may also be me being an ignorant youth and saying fuck your old head music, maybe itll grow on me
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I don't think many would argue with you here. That's the misfits M.O. is theatrical goofy nonsense and I think that is what makes them so prolific. There's a great podcast called 'No Dogs In Space' made by one of the dudes from 'Last podcast on the left' and his wife where they go in very deep detail about the history of bands. They have a great 2 or 3 part epi on the misfits which is super interesting whether you love em or not. But it does touch on that Danzig was super influenced by huge rockstars as a kid(brain is foggy but I remember elvis being one of them) so him and Jerry treated the misfits like a business. I think they just naturally fell into the punk scene because they were 'weird' but they were trying to cash in during their whole existence(original line up with danzig) to no avail

podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-misfits-pt-i/id1495604041?i=1000475333274

as for Samhain - never got into em much but I do like this song which sounds like an extension of og misfits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPSv9Pe9sDc

and as cheesy as danzig gets I have a place in my heart for the first album and how the gods kill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafO5i3rAyE

All Danzig's Misfits work is perfect.

DANZIG II: Lucifuge is an all time classic album (to me).
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 21, 2022, 02:30:49 PM
the band fucked up sux. damien's podcast is great though
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 21, 2022, 03:58:56 PM
the band fucked up sux. damien's podcast is great though

Go figure, @Huell Howser hits it out of the fucking park again!

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Post by: Filip on January 28, 2022, 03:01:00 AM
I mostly listen to metal/punk/crust and shit like that, but two of my biggest guilty pleasures (Well, not really guilty, because Im dont give a fuck what anyone says and proudly listen to that shit) are The Darkness and Riff Raff.

Fuckin love that shit.
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Post by: The_9 on January 28, 2022, 04:08:32 AM
Turnstile are terrible
Anything post All out war EC is terrible
The 90's hardcore revival needs to end.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 28, 2022, 08:48:26 AM
What is it about Turnstile that you don't like specifically?
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Post by: The_9 on January 29, 2022, 04:49:46 AM
They’re like Disney channel doing a supposed hardcore band.
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Post by: realbasedgod112 on January 31, 2022, 03:10:20 PM
i don't really like metal all that much.
perhaps it's because of my untrained ears, but it all just seems to sound like the same wall of shouting and ceaseless instrument bashing.
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Post by: slaab900turbo on February 06, 2022, 07:36:09 PM
J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.

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Post by: PuffinMuffin on February 06, 2022, 08:20:48 PM
J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.

Thanks for posting this. I'll have to cheap it out.  ;D
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Post by: Andmoreagain on February 07, 2022, 09:17:00 AM
SP-404/Casio/guitar pedals on a table music is like no-comply variation skating. Ya it's cute but don't over do it.
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Post by: Youoverthere on February 08, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.
deep wound for sure
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 08, 2022, 03:26:28 PM
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J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.
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deep wound for sure

Big fax.
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Post by: Huell Howser on June 30, 2022, 02:25:46 PM
sure I learned about placebo from mark appleyard's sorry part but placebo is fuckin great(their older albums, not sure about their newer stuff)
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Post by: rawr1922 on August 10, 2022, 08:28:31 PM
Heard about The Growlers many years ago. Mostly whenever people talked bad about them. Just started listening to their catalog on shuffle. Love this band

https://youtu.be/1Yb0NQ6aDFc
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Post by: Mcidraque on August 22, 2022, 09:49:04 PM
J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.

Same with Lou Barlow's side/solo projects.
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Post by: Sila on August 24, 2022, 01:08:26 AM
SP-404/Casio/guitar pedals on a table music is like no-comply variation skating. Ya it's cute but don't over do it.

This is funny. No comply skating is still way cooler though.
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Post by: urbneathme on August 24, 2022, 11:06:10 PM
there are less than 10 listenable hardcore bands
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 25, 2022, 12:00:40 AM
there are less than 10 listenable hardcore bands
as long as ISPY is one of them, I’m down with that!

Edit: Also, I feel like your statement is true for most smaller music “scenes” no? Like I could literally replace the word “hardcore” with say “emo” or “power violence” and it would still be true in most cases or sub-genres.
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Post by: cucktard on August 25, 2022, 06:26:25 AM
there are less than 10 listenable hardcore bands

I do not disagree.

I can’t hang, personally. There are a smattering of classics (Bad Brains, Minor Threat, maybe a bit of Disrupt), but by and large it does nothing for me.

But yes, I-Spy is on my list, and I’m trying to get my sis to dig the CD out for me (stored at her place) and bring it when we have a family reunion later on this year. She’s religious, so I’m dreading the convo.

“Yeah, it’s called um, Perversity is Spreading. Yeah. PerVERSity. It’s got a pic of Pope John Paul on it. No, it’s not Christian Rock. It’s got a bunch of colored kids shitting on his head. Yes. Shitting. Feces. On the Pope’ face. Yeah. I know. It’s a joke. Edgy humor.
Listen, can you look for it and bring it?”
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Post by: Dwyck on August 25, 2022, 08:16:00 AM
Grimes's Visions is the most important record of the last 20 years. That's not unpopular though I think pitchfork said it.
Also not exactly music but that one guy from $alem has influenced fashion the most in the last decade

They’re like Disney channel doing a supposed hardcore band.
agreed they remind me of brockhampton or something
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Post by: childhood on August 25, 2022, 10:27:42 AM
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J Mascis’ side jawns are better than Dinosaur Jr.
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Thanks for posting this. I'll have to cheap it out.  ;D

Yeah recommend some of his side stuff to check out?

I like D Jr. alright, but they never really clicked with me the way they seem to have with a lot of other skaters
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Post by: Huell Howser on August 25, 2022, 01:26:01 PM
as @Mcidraque said - Lou Barlow(sebadoh, folk implosion) > dino jr/j mascis projects

https://youtu.be/u5m19SF0ync

https://youtu.be/SFniGEsV3Qs

https://youtu.be/brNeeNBVTqM

https://youtu.be/c24GrvA3tbk
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on August 25, 2022, 02:02:55 PM
i disagree wholeheartedly with everyone in here regarding Lou Barlow (especially) and/or any of J Mascis' "side jawns"--nothing compares to the body of music created by Dinosaur Jr

i definitely dig Sebadoh, but it's not even close
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Post by: Huell Howser on August 26, 2022, 09:35:55 AM
@Deputy Wendell I definitely get that.

I still love the first few DJ albums a ton, and some tracks off later albums + some solo J mascis.

Sebadoh just clicked really hard at one point in my life and I went down that barlow rabbit hole super deep and ended up loving the sloppy lofi endearing quality they have. I have grown to love the old eric gaffney tracks and a lot of the j lowenstein stuff. plus loobie writes some excellent lyrics imo
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on August 26, 2022, 12:36:53 PM
@Deputy Wendell I definitely get that.

I still love the first few DJ albums a ton, and some tracks off later albums + some solo J mascis.

Sebadoh just clicked really hard at one point in my life and I went down that barlow rabbit hole super deep and ended up loving the sloppy lofi endearing quality they have. I have grown to love the old eric gaffney tracks and a lot of the j lowenstein stuff. plus loobie writes some excellent lyrics imo

cheers @Huell Howser ... i don't think i ever made it too far down the aforementioned rabbit hole, but as i mention above, i still love this album...case(s) in point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5VNClDHaro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyDMko2mxT8
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Post by: Glue Reed on August 28, 2022, 04:40:27 AM
Living All Over Me (and to a degree, Bug) are godhead, but Sebadoh is by far a better band and Lou is a better songwriter (I am still a big fan of anything J. Mascis does).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BqPpyHCVYo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BqPpyHCVYo)

Did anyone watch the Dino Jr documentary on apple?  It was entertaining but strange.... it seemed like J. Mascis had a hand in making it because it never mentions his notoriously asshole-ish behavior and makes Lou Barlow out to be the real problem of the band.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on October 28, 2022, 10:21:47 PM
everlong by foo fighters is a good fucking song
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Post by: brycickle on October 29, 2022, 02:24:32 PM
I don't know that that is a terribly unpopular opinion.
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Post by: graibe on November 02, 2022, 12:01:22 AM
everlong by foo fighters is a good fucking song

It's their only good song tbh
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Post by: graibe on November 02, 2022, 12:03:38 AM
Red Hot Chili Peppers are overrated as fuck. Dani California sucks. Without Jimi Hendrix or parliament/funkadelic, the Red Hot Chili Peppers would be 'the Mild Green Bell Peppers'. That being said, they have some bangers and they can perform well so there's that.

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Post by: Glue Reed on November 05, 2022, 09:15:51 AM
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everlong by foo fighters is a good fucking song
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It's their only good song tbh

Big Me is a good song
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Post by: Filip on November 09, 2022, 04:29:22 AM
Red Hot Chili Peppers are overrated as fuck. Dani California sucks. Without Jimi Hendrix or parliament/funkadelic, the Red Hot Chili Peppers would be 'the Mild Green Bell Peppers'. That being said, they have some bangers and they can perform well so there's that.

I fucking hate RHCHP, along with Coldplay the most overrated mainstream band. If I ever head Anthony Kiedis saying something about California, I will go deaf.
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Post by: Easy Slider on November 09, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
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Red Hot Chili Peppers are overrated as fuck. Dani California sucks. Without Jimi Hendrix or parliament/funkadelic, the Red Hot Chili Peppers would be 'the Mild Green Bell Peppers'. That being said, they have some bangers and they can perform well so there's that.
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I fucking hate RHCHP, along with Coldplay the most overrated mainstream band. If I ever head Anthony Kiedis saying something about California, I will go deaf.

I liked Mother‘s Milk and even Blood Sugar Sex Magic but from then on it went downhill.
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Post by: BallparkFrank on November 28, 2022, 08:02:57 AM
Abba
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Post by: Youoverthere on November 29, 2022, 02:51:01 AM
All this new HXC is borderline pop music. It’s this gen’s pop punk revival.
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Post by: 93 Til Infinity on April 11, 2023, 12:15:08 AM
Elvis Presley ain't king of shit, Chuck Berry is the real goddamn king of rock n roll.
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Post by: urbneathme on April 12, 2023, 08:13:06 PM
All this new HXC is borderline pop music. It’s this gen’s pop punk revival.

i mean… yeah. half the people playing it were in bands on the tail end of the pop punk revival. they went where the merch was
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Post by: doublesteveburger on July 07, 2023, 10:24:21 PM
Not sure if it’s due to time or what, but “Strangers to Ourselves” by Modest Mouse isn’t as terrible as people make it out to be.
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Post by: cucktard on July 08, 2023, 07:38:05 PM
While he had some great lyrics, I’ve finally accepted that I really don’t like Talib Kweli’s flow.  It’s always overstuffed.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 09, 2023, 05:52:02 AM
Pop punk is actually a really good genre
Fight me!
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Post by: concrete eater 1000 on July 10, 2023, 09:29:39 PM
Pop punk is actually a really good genre
Fight me!

there are way more bad pop punk bands than good ones imo, and a lot of the good ones became insufferable. that being said, when pop punk is good, it's really good. the early blink-182 and green day albums are so good.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 10, 2023, 11:31:23 PM
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Pop punk is actually a really good genre
Fight me!
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there are way more bad pop punk bands than good ones imo, and a lot of the good ones became insufferable. that being said, when pop punk is good, it's really good. the early blink-182 and green day albums are so good.
I should have defined pop punk a bit more, but yeah Cheshire Cat and smoothed out/ kerplunk are great albums. I’m into most mid 90s stuff, but don’t simply worship all fat/ epitaph releases, as you said there’s a lot to sift through… faves at the moment (actually since I was a teen) are satanic surfers and 88 fingers Louie. Propagandhi will always be my fav band, but they’ve moved beyond anything that could be called pop punk these days! Pop punk also includes bands from the more DIY side of things including some other faves like FYP, Horace pinker, lethaerface and Cigaretteman from Japan. I guess I should probably say I like melodic hardcore, but that sounds cheesy too *shrugs*
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 13, 2023, 08:03:27 AM
Pop punk is actually a really good genre
Fight me!

I kinda wish there could be a divide. There are a lot of really good punk bands that are melodic and have good pop sensibility in their songwriting, then there are pop punk bands that are super overproduced, formulaic, and cheesy. But bands of both categories will be lumped together as "pop punk".



I really love "pop" punk, but I don't care much for pop punk.
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Post by: Mr. Pickles on July 13, 2023, 08:38:19 AM
All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on July 13, 2023, 08:58:58 AM
All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.


Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.


Y'all fuck with MXPX? Think people write them of because they're a loose 'christian' band (tooth and nail records, etc) and can be a bit heavy on the *pop* side but their early releases are great. 'Life in General' was one of my favorite records growing up.

http://youtu.be/io8rbKG1aZo
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Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on July 14, 2023, 01:50:08 PM
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All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.


Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.

Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.

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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 14, 2023, 09:51:57 PM
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All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.


Y'all fuck with MXPX? Think people write them of because they're a loose 'christian' band (tooth and nail records, etc) and can be a bit heavy on the *pop* side but their early releases are great. 'Life in General' was one of my favorite records growing up.

http://youtu.be/io8rbKG1aZo
never really got into, though I've heard them on comps etc.
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Post by: Glue Reed on July 15, 2023, 02:28:34 AM
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Pop punk is actually a really good genre
Fight me!
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I kinda wish there could be a divide. There are a lot of really good punk bands that are melodic and have good pop sensibility in their songwriting, then there are pop punk bands that are super overproduced, formulaic, and cheesy. But bands of both categories will be lumped together as "pop punk".



I really love "pop" punk, but I don't care much for pop punk.

Yeah I'd agree with this. 

For my money the best "pop" punk band is the Buzzcocks.  Punk rock played with pop hooks. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXbjhw-nI4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXbjhw-nI4)

Same with the Undertones and Protex. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ati6KaEDA1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ati6KaEDA1g)

This stuff veers into Powerpop territory but keeps that punk energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tI65LFqXg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tI65LFqXg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwpGy8g54Ew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwpGy8g54Ew)

As far as 90's stuff, I really think early Green Day was the best at this.  Maybe the Queers first few albums.  Hickey was a great band.

As far as the Epitaph (and similar) stuff, no thanks.
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Post by: Sleazy on July 18, 2023, 08:28:19 AM
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All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.

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Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.

Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.

@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙

for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4
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Post by: JB on July 18, 2023, 10:28:22 AM
Don't know if this has been discussed, but I like Sublime with Rome way more than Sublime with Brad. I wouldn't say I "like" the band in any of it's forms, but the newer stuff is much easier to listen to than the stuff from the 90s.
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Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on July 18, 2023, 10:34:10 AM
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All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.

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Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.

Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.
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@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙

for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4

I've come to the realization that I'm not into their mellower songs, and I only can fuck with the lusty-whisper singing for so long. Chino's screams are something else for sure, and when the track hits, IT HITS.

Tool is definitely more diverse and... polished? (for lack of a better term) I personally kinda blew them out for myself. I still like their sound, but I'm giving myself some time away to come back and re-appreciate their ingenuity.

Aside/Kinda cringe - I was on the drums in a "screamo" band in high school, and the bandmates intro'd me to 2000's/2010's metalcore (not my favorite genre to listen to, but had a fucking blast playing BFMV, BMTH, Warped Tour type shit, etc....). Almost all those bands reference Deftones as an influence, so it's kinda funny to me how I missed them when I was in that scene
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Post by: Sleazy on July 18, 2023, 12:02:15 PM
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All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.

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Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.

Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.
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@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙

for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4
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I've come to the realization that I'm not into their mellower songs, and I only can fuck with the lusty-whisper singing for so long. Chino's screams are something else for sure, and when the track hits, IT HITS.

Tool is definitely more diverse and... polished? (for lack of a better term) I personally kinda blew them out for myself. I still like their sound, but I'm giving myself some time away to come back and re-appreciate their ingenuity.

Aside/Kinda cringe - I was on the drums in a "screamo" band in high school, and the bandmates intro'd me to 2000's/2010's metalcore (not my favorite genre to listen to, but had a fucking blast playing BFMV, BMTH, Warped Tour type shit, etc....). Almost all those bands reference Deftones as an influence, so it's kinda funny to me how I missed them when I was in that scene

it's funny, i feel there's a lot of bands that get ruined by the people that were influenced by them. a good example for me is alice in chains, before their radio hits i thought they were cool to me and my friends and then years later you have one of the worst genres ever, modern rock, full of music with band imitating them. same with rage and rap metal for me.

for tool, they are one of the few bands where i listen to the newer stuff more than the early stuff. they are an entirely different band these days and i noticed a lot of core fans don't like their new stuff but its mostly what i listen too now. they've also become a band that is really all about the drummer. maynard is in the back in the dark now and danny is kind of front and center. this clip kind of sums up what i dig about them now. it's definitely just a band that i have a long history with and enjoy regardless of the fact that for 20 years every cornball in town had a tool sticker on their truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on July 18, 2023, 01:25:33 PM
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All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.

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Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.

Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.
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@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙

for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4
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I've come to the realization that I'm not into their mellower songs, and I only can fuck with the lusty-whisper singing for so long. Chino's screams are something else for sure, and when the track hits, IT HITS.

Tool is definitely more diverse and... polished? (for lack of a better term) I personally kinda blew them out for myself. I still like their sound, but I'm giving myself some time away to come back and re-appreciate their ingenuity.

Aside/Kinda cringe - I was on the drums in a "screamo" band in high school, and the bandmates intro'd me to 2000's/2010's metalcore (not my favorite genre to listen to, but had a fucking blast playing BFMV, BMTH, Warped Tour type shit, etc....). Almost all those bands reference Deftones as an influence, so it's kinda funny to me how I missed them when I was in that scene
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it's funny, i feel there's a lot of bands that get ruined by the people that were influenced by them. a good example for me is alice in chains, before their radio hits i thought they were cool to me and my friends and then years later you have one of the worst genres ever, modern rock, full of music with band imitating them. same with rage and rap metal for me.

for tool, they are one of the few bands where i listen to the newer stuff more than the early stuff. they are an entirely different band these days and i noticed a lot of core fans don't like their new stuff but its mostly what i listen too now. they've also become a band that is really all about the drummer. maynard is in the back in the dark now and danny is kind of front and center. this clip kind of sums up what i dig about them now. it's definitely just a band that i have a long history with and enjoy regardless of the fact that for 20 years every cornball in town had a tool sticker on their truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

Danny Carey is insane on the kit, trying to learn any Tool song on drums is a literal boss battle. Odd-time sigs, switching time sigs, hella melodic rhythms, polyrhythms, like.. good luck. I think of The Grudge or Triad and just how nutty his beats are, super tight and flowy but holding it down all day. Dude's wild.

Tool has this thing where each member gets their due - Schism, Disposition and 46 & Two for that bass lead, Vicarious, Aenima, and Prison Sex for guitar riffage, and the vocals on The Pot and Stinkfist are killer.

I gotta revisit their latest album, seemed kinda wander-y when I was first listening through it, but its worth another shot.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on July 18, 2023, 02:14:26 PM
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All of the Green Day albums through Nimrod are incredible. Enough time has passed from the “we’ll never sell out” claim.
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Insomniac is a definite sleeper (haha), it obviously paled in comparison to Dookie and the impact it had but there are some great tracks on that second major label release. I'm also in the small percentage of people that loved Warning.

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Insomniac is great; Dookie is good as a whole album, more focused and consistent, but the highlights on Insomniac are way better, imo. Brain Stew/(Jaded) is an awesome single, despite being the same riff for the whole song. Brat, 86, Geek Stink Breath, all kick ass. Panic Song is one where the intro could keep going on and on and I would still love it.

Is Deftones just sexy Tool? I recently started listening to them never really picking them up before and I'm kinda torn if I like them or not. They have some good tracks for sure (Passenger, Rocket Skates, Diamond Eyes, etc.) but the overall sound doesn't really catch me for some reason.
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@Necktie.w.t.d. i was a huge fan of deftones when they first came out. they were like guns and roses of rap metal, like the one band in a shitty genre that doesn't suck. these days i prefer tool to deftones. the rap metal vibes throw off deftones better tracks for me from being able to revist them now while i feel that tool never really leaned into any gimicks and so their songs are more timeless for me. but i've accepted that tool is for me what rush was for the older stoners than me growing up. they all get and love it but you probably had to be there. on the flip side my daughter really likes deftones so it's cool to share that with her. fuck it gonna blast white pony today 🤙

for deftones, this track is pretty cool. i'm a huge cure fan and this cover was fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BfRTNrQma4
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I've come to the realization that I'm not into their mellower songs, and I only can fuck with the lusty-whisper singing for so long. Chino's screams are something else for sure, and when the track hits, IT HITS.

Tool is definitely more diverse and... polished? (for lack of a better term) I personally kinda blew them out for myself. I still like their sound, but I'm giving myself some time away to come back and re-appreciate their ingenuity.

Aside/Kinda cringe - I was on the drums in a "screamo" band in high school, and the bandmates intro'd me to 2000's/2010's metalcore (not my favorite genre to listen to, but had a fucking blast playing BFMV, BMTH, Warped Tour type shit, etc....). Almost all those bands reference Deftones as an influence, so it's kinda funny to me how I missed them when I was in that scene
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it's funny, i feel there's a lot of bands that get ruined by the people that were influenced by them. a good example for me is alice in chains, before their radio hits i thought they were cool to me and my friends and then years later you have one of the worst genres ever, modern rock, full of music with band imitating them. same with rage and rap metal for me.

for tool, they are one of the few bands where i listen to the newer stuff more than the early stuff. they are an entirely different band these days and i noticed a lot of core fans don't like their new stuff but its mostly what i listen too now. they've also become a band that is really all about the drummer. maynard is in the back in the dark now and danny is kind of front and center. this clip kind of sums up what i dig about them now. it's definitely just a band that i have a long history with and enjoy regardless of the fact that for 20 years every cornball in town had a tool sticker on their truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
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Danny Carey is insane on the kit, trying to learn any Tool song on drums is a literal boss battle. Odd-time sigs, switching time sigs, hella melodic rhythms, polyrhythms, like.. good luck. I think of The Grudge or Triad and just how nutty his beats are, super tight and flowy but holding it down all day. Dude's wild.

Tool has this thing where each member gets their due - Schism, Disposition and 46 & Two for that bass lead, Vicarious, Aenima, and Prison Sex for guitar riffage, and the vocals on The Pot and Stinkfist are killer.

I gotta revisit their latest album, seemed kinda wander-y when I was first listening through it, but its worth another shot.

that's a really interesting point about the changing emphasis and that's kind of what i was getting at with their not the same band they used to be. i think invincible and pneuma are definitely worth checking out IMHO on the new album.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DakotaRed on September 22, 2023, 06:15:09 PM
Combat Rock is The Clash's best album.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pool coping on September 22, 2023, 07:21:05 PM
Combat Rock is The Clash's best album.

i acknowledge your unpopular opinion and have a related one of my own;

mick jones was a far better songwriter than joe strummer
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: DakotaRed on September 23, 2023, 12:32:37 PM
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Combat Rock is The Clash's best album.
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i acknowledge your unpopular opinion and have a related one of my own;

mick jones was a far better songwriter than joe strummer
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