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Title: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 24, 2020, 08:26:15 AM
thread to post your unpopular opinion pertaining to music


rancid sucks and it’s only saving grace is lars frederickson which balances out tim’s terrible voice (op ivy still slaps but that may be due to jesse)

okay your turn dude

I’m sorry for yelling
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 09:44:02 AM
While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.



I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: blurst_of_times on December 24, 2020, 09:47:59 AM
While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.




I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
Totally agree with this
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
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While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.




I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.
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Totally agree with this


I’ve had this conversation with a lot of people and almost every time I can think of at least a couple bands or albums that they’ll say they like.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 24, 2020, 10:00:28 AM
While some of the records as a whole aren’t as consistent, I think a lot of the Ramones’ best material came mid to late in their career. Too Tough To Die is probably the record I visit most often.


Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.


I get that it’s not for everyone, but I never understood why ska is the butt of all musical jokes. It’s always been a very interesting and progressive genre. Most of the people who hate on it are really just thinking about Reel Big Fish or something.



I think saying an artist is overrated just because you personally don’t like them is inherently dumb.

you touch on a lot in this post, but for now, i'll go even further out on this particular limb, and admit that this is my favorite Ramone's song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlMhDfHsfDI

man, ska to me is actually a pretty complex designation, but i am just about 50, so the whole Two-Tone era is probably the most defining era to me...love all of the performances from the film Dance Craze, like these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzwPO9NtF4w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qh63nu1OQ

edit: i always figure people got critical of ska, because of what happened to it in the 1990s (i think)...like, aren't bands like No Doubt supposed to be doing some kind of ska shtick?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 10:03:41 AM
Bonzo’s a great song. A good example of their later work.
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Post by: Brguy on December 24, 2020, 10:49:02 AM
Technical Ecstasy by Black Sabbath is fine.
Most riffs in the Dio era are really dumbed down.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sluggloaph on December 24, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
I don't think tupac is the best rapper.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 24, 2020, 03:21:17 PM
I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 24, 2020, 03:30:05 PM
I hate modern hip hop and it being the mainstream popular music.

 I miss the day’s of people busting shots at each other over some real beef not this corny ass weak as fuck TSwift vs. Kanye bs put some danger back in to gangster rap.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 03:38:13 PM
I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.


I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 24, 2020, 04:54:05 PM
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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 24, 2020, 05:59:12 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: skate_or_dingus on December 24, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
- Phil Collins has written some top-tier pop songs.
- Artists/projects like Oneohtrix Point Never and Dean Blunt are the future of popular music.
- Lydia Lunch is a smug, insufferable asshole whose ego overshadows her artistic input/output.
- Easy listening Stereolab is better than krautrock Stereolab.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 24, 2020, 08:24:29 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo


man, Streetlight are one of the tightest live bands I've ever seen. Even some of my friends who otherwise don't like any variant of ska like Streetlight. It's almost undeniable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 25, 2020, 07:06:45 AM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
I like rockabilly too, it's too bad it gets labeled kooky for the wrong characters whom dress like dipshits especially the extreme pompadours and whatnot.

I'm going to disagree with Tiger Army though, I will offer a few bands instead Link Wray,  Robert Gordon, The Cramp's as you most certainly know,  Donny Martindale, Cruisers.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on December 25, 2020, 07:44:55 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.

Speaking of propagandhi: they are my favorite band in the world (and have been since 95-ish) but I don't really rank a lot of the songs on today empires (even though I love Todd and ISPY)

I also don't think slayer is that great and yet I love thrash...

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 25, 2020, 08:31:08 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs. I thought for the longest time that punk in drublic came out before HTCE but it was the other way around.

Speaking of propagandhi: they are my favorite band in the world (and have been since 95-ish) but I don't really rank a lot of the songs on today empires (even though I love Todd and ISPY)

I also don't think slayer is that great and yet I love thrash...
Punk in Drublic was a damn fine album I was merely saying when you think of NOFX it’s El Hefe involvement that really congealed their lineup.

Oh god Propagandhi my exbest friend was such a huge advocate for that band.  I did listen to them for a long time, especially that HTCE and Less Talk More Rock was definitely in the queue for me.

Funny story about that HTCE so I’ve been working 3 day’s straight and I’ve got the rest of the week off my flatmates decided to have a day drinking party. Which I didn’t put up much of a fight as I was tired

  I needed sleep and wasn’t feeling it at all, so I’m finally getting that good sleep where you’re feeling better than that stupid cheap trick song comes on now mind you we’ve got a shitload of record’s to listen to from any genre and sub genres butttt instead of listening to a multitude of music it’s that one album, finally in a huff of anger and frustration I walk in to the living room and grab the record and frisbee that shit outside like splash in to the man made pond, wtf is wrong with you guy’s?! Of all the bands THIS ONE ALBUM?! Now none of us can listen to it!

I went back to sleep and they continued to party which was fine but holy shit! Try some variety and for the love of god don’t burn a record for other’s by playing that same fucking side over and over and over for fucks sake.

Hmmmm you’re not fan of Slayer eh? They’re a good example of what I was saying beforehand their first 3 albums were rad I believe it was South of Heaven that wasn’t thrash Show no mercy, Hell Awaits, Reign in Blood were respectable albums. Anything afterwards was mehhh.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on December 25, 2020, 08:39:13 AM
White Trash and Punk in Drublic are peak NoFX in my book. That does not mean they did not have good stuff before or after.

Regarding the "3 first album = best" theory, there are many good examples for this, Cypress Hill comes to mind immediately.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 25, 2020, 09:35:51 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: GardenSkater77 on December 25, 2020, 09:56:18 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies

You are like my friends’ older brothers who had DRI posters on their wall and I thought—why does everyone like a band That MTV doesn’t even play.

I never liked Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Anthrax or Megadeath. Never spoke to me. I was definitely an odd ball.

Always preferred early punk for the rawness. To this day I don’t think I listen to any punk recorded post 1983.

I’m basically only interested in the creation of a music style. After the style is created and begins to be refined I feel it is time to move on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 25, 2020, 09:57:13 AM
Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIgRQP4Fa-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0Wejod4fs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cifo77azntk
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Post by: Easy Slider on December 25, 2020, 10:08:08 AM

i can't stand a single song from NOFX, Propagandhi, or Bad Religion--not one...perhaps a generational thing?

Other than the first album (which is foundational)--and a song or two on Join the Army--i don't know why people even think about Suicidal Tendencies

Lights Camera Revolution - and if it's only for You Can't Bring Me Down.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ismokemid on December 25, 2020, 10:15:46 AM
Sex Pistols are way overrated.

Black metal is shit, 90% of the songs consist of the same power chord progression and drums. There are some good bands but the vast majority is just bad.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 25, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Suicidal Tendencies were always garbage never liked them always reminded me of DRI meatheads in high school that liked punk shows for trying to go to shows just to pick fights. Fuck that shit and that mentality.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on December 25, 2020, 08:00:55 PM
The Growlers are terrible and I never understood the beach-goth craze.
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Post by: ChuckRamone on December 25, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
Weezer's Green album is pretty good. Fleetwood Mac is awful. Elliott Smith's stuff after XO is not quite as good as it and the stuff before it (I don't know if this is controversial but most skate videos use songs from his post-XO material). I think "rock 'n' roll" describes a very specific style of music that is basically 12-bar blues played faster; anything that doesn't fit that criterion, such as most Beatles' songs, is "rock," a different genre of music. The 90s really were the golden age of hip-hop (maybe also not that controversial but could be seen as an old-fashioned take).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 26, 2020, 07:31:10 AM
rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.



Yeah, this and Bad Religion’s Suffer made NOFX a much better band. Ribbed is basically BR worship lol.





Also, I think Andrew WK’s second album is his best one.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 26, 2020, 07:51:42 AM
Shannon and the Clams.
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Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 08:39:21 AM
Shannon and the Clams.
You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable......  They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.
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Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
The 90s really were the golden age of hip-hop (maybe also not that controversial but could be seen as an old-fashioned take).
This right here is what I'm talking about the self aware boom bap hiphop was the best and the pinnacle of the genre there's so much good rap that wasn't on anyone's radar during that time even afterwards.  I'd say 2000's here's a good example Lost Children of Babylon Immortal Technique come to mind and I miss rap/hiphop that had a real message and rad storytelling that put you in their world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibHd0zBJ6ig
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on December 26, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
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rancid sucks (and the Clash sucked too) is a name of anal cunt song right? LOL

Yes about modern "hip hop". I think everything Kanye has ever done is corny is AF and don't even get me started on mumble rap...

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I believe I’ve mentioned this beforehand but most band’s best albums are their first three.

Not to say that there’s exceptions to this opinion as I can say without a doubt AJJ, Nofx, Bad Religion, and few others I cannot remember definitely get better with age.
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I love NOFX but their first two records are practically unlistenable to me, haha. I think Ribbed is pretty good though.
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No doubt  Liberal Animation & S&M airline's were terrible albums I think Ribbed was rad too but it wasn't their definitive sound but close just a lineup change they made it awesome.

When El Hefe joined in White trash two herbs and a bean that's what I think about when someone says NOFX. 

Now as far as their album that is their smartest album was The Decline and War on Errorism were the pinnacle of not being that too jokey goofy Guttermouth type of band.
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punk in drublic though! Fat Mike said Propagandhi's HTCE kicked everyone's arse and made them get better at writing good riffs.
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Yeah, this and Bad Religion’s Suffer made NOFX a much better band. Ribbed is basically BR worship lol.





Also, I think Andrew WK’s second album is his best one.


That’s actually true about Suffer making NOFX a better band. I think Mike talks about it in their book which I highly recommend. Some golden stories in that!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 05:27:14 PM
so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Post by: bea! on December 26, 2020, 06:53:49 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html

Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 07:10:11 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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Post by: bea! on December 26, 2020, 07:30:07 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?

Yeah those Tales from the Vinyl Wasteland’s are great... twisted stuff.  If you dig those check out Wavy Gravy Vol 1 and 2, and Bent, Batty and ‘Bnoxious!.

I just bought those Nasty comps individually cause I had heard they were good... I used to be a wild, crazy rockabilly obsessive (never into the “scene”) and would buy tons of comps.  Most of the time there’s one or two wild tracks and the rest are crap, so to have some that are solid all the way through are a treat!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 26, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
[close]
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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Yeah those Tales from the Vinyl Wasteland’s are great... twisted stuff.  If you dig those check out Wavy Gravy Vol 1 and 2, and Bent, Batty and ‘Bnoxious!.

I just bought those Nasty comps individually cause I had heard they were good... I used to be a wild, crazy rockabilly obsessive (never into the “scene”) and would buy tons of comps.  Most of the time there’s one or two wild tracks and the rest are crap, so to have some that are solid all the way through are a treat!
Yeah my local record shop is a hippie owner who kinda sucks,  I usually go on discogs and scour through used or something cheap to get.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 27, 2020, 01:01:49 AM
cool thread

my favorite nofx record is so long and thanks for all the shoes, because it was my first. i haven't listened to nofx in ages though. they're sick though.

my unpopular opinion:

drive like jehu is still underrated. yank crime is a fucking classic for the ages. the s/t is great as well, easily a 9/10.

the newer darkthrone records where they sound kind of punked up rule. i am not even into black metal really except a few songs, but i can listen to those records in one sitting and think they are pretty sick. i can see how metal and punk purists alike hate them tho.

deftones seem to be a love it or hate it band nowadays but i think they aged alright. they achieved at least that tons of new bands nowadays seem to try to sound like them, without ever getting it really right(except varials-romance/the love machine, but that was basically some camouflaged cover track).

the whole gothy dance/ebm resurgence thing is super sick. i don't care for electronic much, but i love cabaret nocturne, boy harsher, kontravoid, etc... it's not so dark so you get depressed, but is still sinister enough to not become corny. i'm not immersed in that scene so sorry if i used wrong terminology. if you watched the glue vid, you know what i mean. i'll leave the kontravoid video here, because it's a good visual represantation of the clashing vibes that form something wholesome. also, i want to ride a jetski on a lake in canada, too. if i ever do coke, it will be to music like this, and i will probably do stupid shit that kills me by accident.

i think i won't do cocaine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exD-oGci-9M&list=RDexD-oGci-9M&start_radio=1

EDIT: not sure, maybe some of those opinions are actually agreeable and popular and i don't know it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 27, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
cool thread

my favorite nofx record is so long and thanks for all the shoes, because it was my first. i haven't listened to nofx in ages though. they're sick though.

my unpopular opinion:

drive like jehu is still underrated. yank crime is a fucking classic for the ages. the s/t is great as well, easily a 9/10.

the newer darkthrone records where they sound kind of Crusty punked up rule. i am not even into black metal really except a few songs, but i can listen to those records in one sitting and think they are pretty sick. i can see how metal and punk purists alike hate them tho.

deftones seem to be a love it or hate it band nowadays but i think they aged alright. they achieved at least that tons of new bands nowadays seem to try to sound like them, without ever getting it really right(except varials-romance/the love machine, but that was basically some camouflaged cover track).

the whole gothy dance/ebm resurgence thing is super sick. i don't care for electronic much, but i love cabaret nocturne, boy harsher, kontravoid, etc... it's not so dark so you get depressed, but is still sinister enough to not become corny. i'm not immersed in that scene so sorry if i used wrong terminology. if you watched the glue vid, you know what i mean. i'll leave the kontravoid video here, because it's a good visual represantation of the clashing vibes that form something wholesome. also, i want to ride a jetski on a lake in canada, too. if i ever do coke, it will be to music like this, and i will probably do stupid shit that kills me by accident.

i think i won't do cocaine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exD-oGci-9M&list=RDexD-oGci-9M&start_radio=1

EDIT: not sure, maybe some of those opinions are actually agreeable and popular and i don't know it
The unholy trinity of Darkthrone Blaze in the northern sky, Transylvanian hunger, Under a funeral Moon are damn fine albums for there sporadic and unrelenting  assault for Black Metal they've  earned my respect for doing multigenres from death metal in the beginning to true kvlt BM to crusty dbeat punkish metal they can and will do it all I think Cult is Alive is my favorite of the later works Fenriz and Ted has done, absolutely madmen when it comes to playing music.

EDM and the gothy darkwave I wasn't really sure tillI gave it a good listen and I have to say I'm a fan from Cobraman for partytype of elctrofunk 80's pop to Boyharsher Light Asylum and Lebanon Hanover really I like stuff that challenges my dancing ability, Yes I've been known to bust a move at a spot or after landing something sick instead of the corny Appleyard flex.


Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on December 28, 2020, 02:08:42 AM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
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If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
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Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?

DUDE! Sanford Cark is awesome! im surprised to see his name pop up in here, you dont hear him discussed enough.

Country as a whole gets a terrible rep but there is some great tunes if you look past the rhinestoned pop country surface

this dude is killing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YivNpUXHw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 02:38:44 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Larry on December 28, 2020, 02:57:37 AM
punk is just short for pre-post-punk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on December 28, 2020, 03:18:45 AM
I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on December 28, 2020, 03:20:16 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.

I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 05:16:45 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
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I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!


WHEN I WANT SOMETHING DONE I’ll DO IT MYSELF

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE


Gkr I wish we could high jack every thread and make it about our dated takes on hardcore and it’s subgenres.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on December 28, 2020, 05:20:29 AM
I didn‘t even know powerviolence had a popular phase. I always thought it had reached its peak with Infest‘s Break The Chains. Also wish I had kept my Infest Break The Chains hoodie.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on December 28, 2020, 06:45:12 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.
[close]

I can't even begin to comment on these, but I support hard stance opinions like this.


TESTIFY! WHAT?! TESTIFY!

[close]

WHEN I WANT SOMETHING DONE I’ll DO IT MYSELF

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE


Gkr I wish we could high jack every thread and make it about our dated takes on hardcore and it’s subgenres.

Hell yeah dude <3
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 28, 2020, 06:49:31 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.

10. Grief is better than dystopia.
agree with all of this, although i still like ceremony up until zoo, which wasn't great, but ok imo.

nerve agents are so sick, very underrated band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 07:00:00 AM
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so much good shit in this thread but most notable is how ska gets a bad rap and the decline being peak fat mike lyricism



i think tiger army is awesome although I do get the psychobilly disdain - feel like psychobilly as a genre also gets the stink that 90’s ska gets


I have a streetlight manifesto tattoo
[close]
If you are ever bored and want to hear some rad rockabilly with some questionable album covers checkout this blogspot I just downloaded it and holy shit some really decent gems of true rock and roll.
http://krazybop.blogspot.com/2020/11/nasty-rockabilly-volume-1-to-16-insane.html
[close]

Those Nasty Rockabilly comps are great, I have 1-5 and they’re pretty solid all the way through (if you buy rockabilly compilations you know how unusual that is)
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I stumbled upon these albeit Sandford Clark Ain't nothing to me such a badass track.  Talked from the vinyl wasteland Vol.3 it's so sick.

Where'd you find your box set?
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DUDE! Sanford Cark is awesome! im surprised to see his name pop up in here, you dont hear him discussed enough.

Country as a whole gets a terrible rep but there is some great tunes if you look past the rhinestoned pop country surface

this dude is killing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YivNpUXHw
Country really does get a bad rep when you think of the dipshits who rep it albeit racist garbage but some of the toughest outlaws were of that 50's country western/rockabilly Elvis Jerry Lewis ripoffs.  I've found some of the best stuff at donation bins and other YT channels.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 28, 2020, 07:50:39 AM
I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.

blasphemy

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 08:47:14 AM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia was and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 09:08:35 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
[close]

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 28, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
[close]

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
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Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.

That avatar is from the musings of a smoking man right? That’s probably my favorite episode of the show.

The disrupt/noothgrush was not a comparison, it was which band I liked more based strictly of what the members of grief and dystopia were in, not sonically at all.

I can totally understand how confusing that was with no preface and my apologies!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 28, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
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I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.  Brainoil is better than Grief
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Most of this I can agree with however I do no share your opinions on AFI and Grief, Brainoil is close to what Dystopia is  and Paul's Boutique was better than Check your head.
[close]

I highly suggest revisiting shut your mouth and open your eyes. That shit is incredible.

I will give you that brainoil is closer to what dystopia was. That being said I’m a fucking huge sucker for New England hardcore (and just generally heavy shit) despite being from Southern California and now living in Texas. For some reason MA and RI in particular just make the best shit for my ears. Plus I also like disrupt more than noothgrush.

I think when I first joined slap your picture was dystopia, and I was like oh fuck yeah this guy gets it. The handle and the picture I always remembered for some reason hahaha.

I also have one last hot take, I don’t really like anything from Death except leprosy.

If anyone can point me to some more shit by them that’s similar to pull the plug I would appreciate it.

Until then I will continue to like gruesome more than death.
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Okay ok I see you on that rip about hardcore vs. sludgey doom laden music, New England definitely has a close comparison when in terms of bringing these ruckus in that category when it comes to heavy shit maybe it's a regional thing and I agree.

For me I like a laid back pummeling sound that one does but doesn't take itself too seriously, if you ever get any old interviews the guys from Life is Abuse and the multitudes of projects they did in between were kinda joke one offs of each band I  think the only band out of that camp that took itself waaaay too seriously is Watch Them Die/Grimple.

Unbeknownst to many they're closely affiliated with Norteno's and Mexican prison gangs,  the short singer Sonny was a badass seen him beat the breaks off some meathead in NOLA....  like really friendly but you speak wrong about something and you might get your ass kicked, (I made a few shirts of those guy's when I was in Oakland under their permission)  They stopped by to get a sample of how it was going I made a joke like hey I'm going to have a cool screen to make a quilt or something he looked at me with intensity like dude you can have a shirt but if you bootleg our shit I will come find you and kick your fucking ass!!!!

Yes I had a avatar for Dystopia for a bit but X-Files is a great show and smoking man was my favorite antagonist in the show.

Now as far as Death did you ever listen to Repulsion or Autopsy? what about Coffins? waaay underrated when it comes to that old school death metal chunky heavy bands that rip.

Disrupt to Noothgrush?! How do you compare the two?! You had me at the Grief and Dystopia comparison but Disrupt to Noothgrush?! You lost me dude...... Toxic Narcotic is a close comparison then Noothgrush.  Which if you ask me I like Disrupt more than Toxic Narcotic.


Now I know this is going to rub some of you guys the wrong way but Napalm Death sucks and so does Cannibal Corpse, never really dug those bands just seemed like meathead Floriduh metal.
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That avatar is from the musings of a smoking man right? That’s probably my favorite episode of the show.

The disrupt/noothgrush was not a comparison, it was which band I liked more based strictly of what the members of grief and dystopia were in, not sonically at all.

I can totally understand how confusing that was with no preface and my apologies!
See this where text really doesn’t give context to sarcasm I was busting your chops a bit, yeah I can see your opinions on hardcore sound compared to the sludge doom sound. In my opinion there’s a lot of good bands from that era and timeline got to see Dropdead and His Hero is Gone at the Providence venue The Living Room so sick to see those bands in their prime.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: keepthefunkalive on December 28, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
I am over the vast majority of all the punk I used to listen to except Minor Threat

Metal is lame

Burt Bacharach is dope

Run the Jewels are overrated



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 03:11:14 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 03:30:25 AM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 29, 2020, 03:44:31 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.

Backed your take on death, even with that documentary they are criminally underrated and overlooked. They created a genre in a vacuum, essentially. There’s no reason they’re not held in higher regard than iggy or mc5.

Slam metal is boring as fuck and anal cunt is awful, the only worthwhile thing Seth Putnam ever did was being in siege for like a year.

Mac demarco is spaget wearing a dad hat.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 04:04:04 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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Backed your take on death, even with that documentary they are criminally underrated and overlooked. They created a genre in a vacuum, essentially. There’s no reason they’re not held in higher regard than iggy or mc5.

Slam metal is boring as fuck and anal cunt is awful, the only worthwhile thing Seth Putnam ever did was being in siege for like a year.

Mac demarco is spaget wearing a dad hat.
I know anal cunt is awful but it’s like they don’t make music, they make a wall of ignorant din. It’s a child-like tantrum mixed with inside jokes on record. And I love it. Somehow I made it to the top .01 percentile of Death and AC listeners on Spotify which is bad new for anyone that lets me play music in the car. Lol
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Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 04:10:46 AM
og death(the black punk band) is great.

these guys are super sick, too, and no one seems to know them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdMcH9mb2Hk

i like some mac de marco songs, but overall it's super boring to me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 06:08:14 AM
Lemmy did a song with Pure Hell. Very sick

https://youtu.be/Rcjf8tZMFOI
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Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 29, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
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Shannon and the Clams.
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You have to admit for what they're trying to do is admirable......  They got the right fit but I mean really is it that good NO not really it's about average for a 60's inspired doowop band.

I like most of what they put out and their live shows have an amazing, fun enery. I think this is the only show I have ever been to where I was dancing and did not feel self concious at all.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 29, 2020, 07:57:07 AM
People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 08:03:58 AM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too


J Mascis is straight edge lol
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on December 29, 2020, 08:17:11 AM
i'm not sure where this falls in on the opinion barometer, but early to mid-90s "independent-label" music was one of the best periods for music in the past 50 years--so many splendid labels like Simple Machines, early Sub-Pop, K Records, Touch and Go, Slumberland, Quarterstick, etc....i know that this all was kind of reduced into a shitty genre known as "indie," but there was so much creativity in the early 1990s and it was one of the best times to go to shows in my near 50 years...

i could go on and on but, here's just a small handful of favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_NKtGTstVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKAwNOhZabM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRyGZJzEuI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMJT1U4n9Zk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALVbPqIYSZ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7NwEwdfww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKYWpExqrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbI6O6OKFqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDX6K9bd0tw
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Post by: Willie on December 29, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.

“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 29, 2020, 09:24:15 AM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 02:26:30 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........

song names anal cunt would use could be its own thread
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 02:54:11 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 29, 2020, 02:59:34 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.

This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 29, 2020, 03:00:23 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.


Apparently so.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on December 29, 2020, 03:29:22 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.

(https://i.imgur.com/iyhGHDD.gif)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on December 29, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.

hehe

i saw dinosaur jr live a few years ago, and it seemed like they played good, but the sound at the venue was atrocious and they became increasingly bummed as the set went on. also some weird support band that wasn't bad on its own but didn't fit dinosaur jr at all. some sort of art pop or something. no guitars.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on December 29, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
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People only like Death the punk band because of a fucking video documentary. Clearly no one cared for them when they were making music. And Ishod probably mixed them up with Chuck’s because didn’t he skate to politicians in my eyes?

As far as bad music, does anyone else on the board fuck with Anal Cunt or any brutal slam like Cephalotrispy?

Fugazi, minor threat, and Ian suck and the only cool shit he did was put out all those flex your head tapes.

Can’t stand indie shit like Mac demaco, goth babe, beach house but I love R.E.M for some reason.
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See I am that dork that did like Anal Cunt for the wrong reasons and yeah the songs are awful with some dick and fart joke humor they're admittedly kinda funny regardless of hurting anyone's feelings.  I mean you have no friends and you look adopted and various other songs that were offensive to mention.

I like slam and other brutal death metallllllllll White Chapel are some of my friends from Nashville and they've always let me in their shows anytime I see them.
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“The guy from Anal Cunt died in an escalator accident” sounds like it could have been one of their songs.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA totally I mean it would be how he would've wanted it. 

My band sucks spit on me........
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song names anal cunt would use could be its own thread
Totally let's do this.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=114688.0
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Post by: Youoverthere on December 29, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
aha I see what you did there!
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Post by: Grind King Rims on December 30, 2020, 12:50:11 PM
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I really fucking hate Dinosaur Jr and I never want to hear them in a skate video ever again.
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blasphemy
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I saw em live and J Mascis could barely play because he was “so ripped on Denver weed” so yeah fuck dinosaur too
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J Mascis is straight edge lol
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so you’re telling me he made a stupid weed joke then played one of the worst sets of my life... completely sober.
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This incident has clearly left you with a deep wound.
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aha I see what you did there!

I saw it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO3fiKvRTxk
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Croquet temper on January 01, 2021, 05:32:05 AM
The Mars Volta’s De-Loused In The Comatorium is a unique slam dunk of a masterpiece and easily one of the best albums of the 2000’s.

Boards Of Canada’s last album, Tomorrow’s Harvest sucks absolute balls. Completely dull and flavorless.

Radiohead debuts a lot of songs live that have a much better arrangement than the album version. Videotape being one of the biggest examples.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bea! on January 01, 2021, 07:34:05 AM
in regards to a few of the things I've read here:

Correct on Suicidal Tendencies... they've basically managed a 40 year career due to their image.  From what I've read, that's all due to Glenn E Friedman, who was their original manager, telling them to ditch their socal hardcore look and go for Venice cholo.  They owe him big if that's true.

Repulsion is hands down the greatest American metal band (Slayer is close).  I remember hearing them for the first time and it blew my mind... exactly what I love about metal mixed with exactly what is awesome about hardcore (without being a crossover band).  If I had a time machine this would be one of my stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s)

That being said, all that American Thrash from the 80's has dated very, very poorly.  Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" and Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" are pretty much the only thing that holds up, the rest is so boring and unenergetic. I was in Ameoba once and they were playing Metallica 'Justice for All' (my favorite tape when I was a kid) and what sluggish, boring-ass album.   It sounds like a whole album full of the slow breakdown parts of songs without any of the energetic fast parts.  D.R.I. should've called it quits after the Dirty Rotten EP.  Slayer is the only band who still sounds good (up to Seasons).

Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.

All that NYHC and Youthcrew stuff (and "90's hardcore") absolutely sucks.  Seems like there's been a resurgence in the last few years too.  I'd say just about everything from the Cro-Mags on... I do like Sheer Terror and Judge, but the rest of that stuff is jockish and horrible.  The earliest NY hardcore bands (Nihilistics, Urban Youth, Heart Attack, Reagan Youth) were light years better.  I can dig Agnostic Front's 'Victim in Pain' EP.

That's cool to see mid-period Ramones get some love on here, as those albums are great and never get mentioned... but there's NO WAY they're better than the first 2 Ramones albums.  There's nothing better than those albums.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 01, 2021, 08:43:43 AM
in regards to a few of the things I've read here:

Correct on Suicidal Tendencies... they've basically managed a 40 year career due to their image.  From what I've read, that's all due to Glenn E Friedman, who was their original manager, telling them to ditch their socal hardcore look and go for Venice cholo.  They owe him big if that's true.

Repulsion is hands down the greatest American metal band (Slayer is close).  I remember hearing them for the first time and it blew my mind... exactly what I love about metal mixed with exactly what is awesome about hardcore (without being a crossover band).  If I had a time machine this would be one of my stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fW-OBahkY&t=999s)

That being said, all that American Thrash from the 80's has dated very, very poorly.  Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" and Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" are pretty much the only thing that holds up, the rest is so boring and unenergetic. I was in Ameoba once and they were playing Metallica 'Justice for All' (my favorite tape when I was a kid) and what sluggish, boring-ass album.   It sounds like a whole album full of the slow breakdown parts of songs without any of the energetic fast parts.  D.R.I. should've called it quits after the Dirty Rotten EP.  Slayer is the only band who still sounds good (up to Seasons).

Country music, at least artistically, isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is.  I mean the two biggest living icons in Country are extremely left.  Also, props to whomever posted Colter Wall, I really dig that guys music.

All that NYHC and Youthcrew stuff (and "90's hardcore") absolutely sucks.  Seems like there's been a resurgence in the last few years too.  I'd say just about everything from the Cro-Mags on... I do like Sheer Terror and Judge, but the rest of that stuff is jockish and horrible.  The earliest NY hardcore bands (Nihilistics, Urban Youth, Heart Attack, Reagan Youth) were light years better.  I can dig Agnostic Front's 'Victim in Pain' EP.

That's cool to see mid-period Ramones get some love on here, as those albums are great and never get mentioned... but there's NO WAY they're better than the first 2 Ramones albums.  There's nothing better than those albums.

In regards to Country Music historically being a lot more left-wing than people would expect, here's an interesting episode of my favorite podcast, Citations Needed on that topic. They're leftists news critics. Maybe you'd be interested.
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-119-how-the-right-shaped-pop-country-music

Thanks for posting that Repulsion set, I'm gonna dive into that when I have some time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly5ZKjjxMNM
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 01, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.




Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 01, 2021, 10:19:25 AM
Plastic Beach had like 5 banger bangers, but that album is 16 songs long and most of it is trash.
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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 01, 2021, 06:53:11 PM
I started a thread, “what song are you using for your thrasher part” just to post sandford Clark.

My unpopular opinions:
1. xfilesx is the best band to ever come out of Massachusetts.
2. Ceremony went down hill after still nothing moves you
3. touché amore got the exposure that life long tragedy deserved
4. Paul’s boutique is the best record ever made
5. Mammoth grinder is better than insect warfare
6. Spine is better than weekend nachos
7. The nerve agents should have blown up in terms of popularity
8. The first four records by AFI is some of the best hardcore ever recorded
9. Pageninetynine is great but document 8 is severely overrated and far from their best release.
10. Grief is better than dystopia.

One my good friends just got her xfilesx tattoo lasered last year. NBxHC
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Post by: urbneathme on January 01, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
songs of the free is the best gang of four album by a very wide margin.

98% of metal is hilariously bad and necessitates being enjoyed through an at least semi-ironic lense.

bonzo goes to bitburg is the best ramones song, shoutout that dude on page one.

how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.

elvis costello put out one of his best albums in 2018, which is insane.

the river would’ve been springsteen’s best record if he cut like 6 songs. also, nebraska should have had band recordings (i still really like nebraska)
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Post by: Youoverthere on January 02, 2021, 06:33:50 AM
Plastic Beach had like 5 banger bangers, but that album is 16 songs long and most of it is trash.
facts and after everyone waited so long
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: theSketchLord on January 02, 2021, 06:48:21 AM
I used to think Radiohead were shit but now I wonder if they're actually geniuses and I'm just too stupid to get it.
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Post by: Ilya Oblomov on January 03, 2021, 11:57:47 AM
I like The Midnight.

Time Cop 1983 and Miami Nights 1984 are super fun too.

Something about Carpenter Brut really gets my jazz hands going.
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Post by: ihatejulio on January 03, 2021, 02:17:35 PM
umm it IS pronounced dead mau five
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Post by: Youoverthere on January 03, 2021, 03:56:10 PM
umm it IS pronounced dead mao five
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Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 04, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
Fuck it, a couple more takes from me.

I love Nas, but his revisionist history of his 90’s drama is so lame. Open rumor is that he was very jealous that Ready to Die was more popular than Illmatic at the time to the point that he eventually changed his whole style up for It Was Written. He clearly bitched about it to Ghost and Rae during the OB4CL sessions (which is where the Shark Niggaz skit comes from). Biggie checked Nas hard on ‘Kick in the Door’ but of course died before the album came out, so that beef went nowhere. I see why Nas would downplay the friction years later, but to act like they were cool is such an annoying lie lol.

I don’t trust hip-hop opinions from people who like Brockhampton.

Although I don’t really agree with Quincy Jones’ take on rock vs r&b, his slaughter of Ringo Starr was hilarious. The fact that Ringo never responded tells me it must’ve been true.




Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: fredgallSOTY on January 04, 2021, 11:23:46 PM
radiohead sucks
the beatles suck
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
In Square Circle is one of Stevie Wonder's best records, and its dated-ness adds to its charm
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
jazz/gospel chords > blues chords
loveliescrushing aren't talked about enough in the history/pantheon of dream pop, noise, shoegaze
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.



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Post by: livin on a speyer on January 05, 2021, 01:49:36 AM
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blasphemy
Blasphemy is great!
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Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 05:25:54 AM
not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 05, 2021, 05:27:15 AM
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 05, 2021, 06:32:28 AM
not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ

Sorry for indulging but I have some thoughts:


As far as sound quality, I feel like most informed record collectors understand that the sound quality isn't strictly from the medium. Most avid collectors  such as myself have a great stereo/speakers that's responsible. That's why  most of us understand that a Crosley isn't gonna make anything sound good.  On that note I also think the analog vs digital argument is kind of a moot point. I don't know what "better" means among that peer group. I don't know what parameters they listened to their recorded samples nor who/how the samples were recorded and frankly have little interest in it. As far as engineers it's the archer, not the arrow. Peer studies would probably tell you Nirvana's Nevermind is a sonically better record than In Utero, but that doesn't make  it a "better" record.


Regarding the toxicity, his "study" is pretty flawed and means nothing without context. According to a source below vinyl manufacturing accounts for less than half of a percent of PVC production, and that doesn't even get into how much PVC you're exposed to on a daily basis otherwise. And he's flat out wrong about manufacturers refusing to explore  alternative measures to pressing. He clearly did his research with blinders on because there are studies available from before his video came out and I found this source with minimal effort. Wanting manufacturers in general to leave less of a carbon footprint is a reasonable desire but it is ultimately an exaggerated concern. 

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/dark-side-of-the-vinyl-are-records-bad-for-the-environment/#:~:text=Vintage%20vinyl%20is%20quite%20likely,new%20compounds%20have%20been%20devised.




That's not to say the complete opposite is true but I take issue with environmental arguments that split these kinda hairs. I have no doubt that the components of a physical record aren't good for you. The same is probably true for most things in your home, and dare I say most foods you buy at the store, or most pieces of tech  we carry around all day about 6 inches away from our ballsacks. I'll refrain from ingesting my record collection, but I honestly have little interest in that kinda micro doom speeches when there are vastly bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 05, 2021, 07:10:10 AM
radiohead sucks
the beatles suck
the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
In Square Circle is one of Stevie Wonder's best records, and its dated-ness adds to its charm
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily
jazz/gospel chords > blues chords
loveliescrushing aren't talked about enough in the history/pantheon of dream pop, noise, shoegaze
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.

Slept on Moodymann forever but yeah.

Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

Korn were/are (seen them as recently as 2019) a good band and when their self-titled album and Life is Peachy came out, there was nothing like them. People tend to be revisionists about liking them due to the evolution of nu metal or bullying by peers or whatever, but yeah...they were sick.
 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 05, 2021, 07:13:26 AM
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 08:40:08 AM
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not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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Sorry for indulging but I have some thoughts:


As far as sound quality, I feel like most informed record collectors understand that the sound quality isn't strictly from the medium. Most avid collectors  such as myself have a great stereo/speakers that's responsible. That's why  most of us understand that a Crosley isn't gonna make anything sound good.  On that note I also think the analog vs digital argument is kind of a moot point. I don't know what "better" means among that peer group. I don't know what parameters they listened to their recorded samples nor who/how the samples were recorded and frankly have little interest in it. As far as engineers it's the archer, not the arrow. Peer studies would probably tell you Nirvana's Nevermind is a sonically better record than In Utero, but that doesn't make  it a "better" record.


Regarding the toxicity, his "study" is pretty flawed and means nothing without context. According to a source below vinyl manufacturing accounts for less than half of a percent of PVC production, and that doesn't even get into how much PVC you're exposed to on a daily basis otherwise. And he's flat out wrong about manufacturers refusing to explore  alternative measures to pressing. He clearly did his research with blinders on because there are studies available from before his video came out and I found this source with minimal effort. Wanting manufacturers in general to leave less of a carbon footprint is a reasonable desire but it is ultimately an exaggerated concern. 

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/dark-side-of-the-vinyl-are-records-bad-for-the-environment/#:~:text=Vintage%20vinyl%20is%20quite%20likely,new%20compounds%20have%20been%20devised.




That's not to say the complete opposite is true but I take issue with environmental arguments that split these kinda hairs. I have no doubt that the components of a physical record aren't good for you. The same is probably true for most things in your home, and dare I say most foods you buy at the store, or most pieces of tech  we carry around all day about 6 inches away from our ballsacks. I'll refrain from ingesting my record collection, but I honestly have little interest in that kinda micro doom speeches when there are vastly bigger fish to fry.

fair enough.

i agree he omits the fact that the some vinyl presses are trying more eco-friendly ways to press records. i just straight up googled "is there a eco-friendly way to press vinyl?" and got several articles and manufacturers shown. it's still over all not an ecofriendly way to produce records, they have to be shipped, too, which is unnecessary nowadays when you can download it as well.

concerning the quality. i don't think he was saying digital sounds "better", that's of course subjective, pretty sure he is aware of that. most people that say vinyl sounds better attribute it to warmth and dynamic. the latter has nothing to do with the medium though, more with how contemporary music is recorded and mixed. still, vinyl is the inferior information carrier if we are talking about that information getting lost or scrambled. i'd say vinyl is legit for archival purposes, since you can store it a heck of a long time.

as for me personally, i was an ardent defender of vinyl vs other mediums for the longest time, but at some point my record player broke, and i started getting flac versions of some records i wanted to listen to, and with the same setup of amp and boxes, was shocked how much nicer and clearer most of it sounded to me. i felt like i was living in a bubble the whole time. sometimes i miss the crackles and buzzing, but to me, high quality audio files is where it's at nowadays.

i am not too concerned about the health aspect, for the same reasons you described. we are surrounded by plastics all day, it's kinda dumb to make a point about vinyl. then again, i myself try to get rid of or avoid plastic products whenever possible, so personally why would i stop with the vinyl? i love looking at the covers, reading through booklets, but there's nothing preventing me from printing that artwork in the same format if i want to look at it. the whole process of listening to a vinyl record is also unenjoyable to me nowadays.

i will most likely keep my records or at least my most favored ones and those that aren't available online, maybe upload those myself and i still plan on getting a decent player again at some point, but honestly i haven't missed it too much, and since then, i often look at my humble record collection sitting there, collecting dust, and think i don't need this really. i can't see myself going back to vinyl, even if they invent green alternatives, because it's just clunky to me. nowadays i'd rather buy my music on bandcamp, it's great when artists can put out there music with minimal overhead. any physical medium, wether be for music, film or videogames, seems like a waste to me tbh. it's a luxury/vanity item to me. nothing wrong with that if you enjoy it, but i'd like to minimize my footprint and i actually rather pay 12 bucks for a digital album than the same amount for an lp, because the artist probably keeps more from that digital purchase than from the physical release that had to be produced and shipped everywhere. at the same time, i know downloading and streaming uses up energy and hardware as well and isn't necessarily climate neutral.

so that's why i overall agree with him, even if i accept that he went a bit doomer, especially on the health aspect. i wouldn't tell anyone to throw aways their vinyl, or tell them that's garbage, but as i grow older and out of some cliched views i held as i was younger, mostly informed by what i thought what is cool or what isn't, i realized i probably fetishized vinyl, too, because it was simply cool and different, not necessarily better or smarter. it's part of punk and hip hop culture in a way and that's the main reason i wanted to use it. it shows off a lot better than a music folder on your computer and makes for better conversation pieces. people are way more impressed in social situations when you tell them that you own the velvet under ground & nico early pressing on vinyl than by you knowing that record in and out, cause they can't see or prove that and it takes no effort to listen to em, but to hunt that lp down and have the money to pay for it.

that is another part i dislike about vinyl culture, not everyone has the funds to maintain that setup, or even the space for it. it's like with tattoos. everyone acts like it's some underground culture thing, but it's actually a product you buy. there is no reason to be proud about owning that edition or have tattoos from a great artist, because everyone who pays can do that. it says nothing about a persons merit, but for most people i feel like vinyl and tattoos(i have tattoos myself) are about projecting some sort of sophistication and low key wealth status. why else would broke ass people sacrifice their funds for this? i know so many people that are too broke for everything and complain all the time about it, but get tattoos, records or tech stuff liberally. i love tattoos and wish i'd have gotten more while i was young enough to have reaped the coolness points, but it makes no sense to me to not eat for a month just to get one, or get one vinyl record with a booklet that i will read once and then never again when i can buy two digital records for the price and let the artist keep more money.

don't want to offend any vinyl(or tattoo) lover on here, both things are rad and if that's what makes one happy, i'm all for it. but the whole myth of vinyl being the superb medium for music is total bullshit imo. it's the same thing like using some old ass handgrinder for your coffee and tricking yourself into thinking it makes the coffee taste better, when in reality that cheap ass old handgrinder probably grinds like shit and gives you carpal tunnel and a cheap electric spice grinder might yield better results, but is not so nostalgic and nice to look at.

one thing though i dislike sometimes about digital formats is it triggers my tinnitus way more than vinyl, or analogue sources in general. mostly on youtube and sources as such though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on January 05, 2021, 10:19:16 AM
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.
there’s one track on the pink record (i think, idk it’s been years) but they are by far the second best musical act to come out of those members
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 05, 2021, 11:13:18 AM
The OOZ by King Krule is one of the best albums of the 2010s, easily

I don't know if I'd go that far, because similar to Plastic Beach, half of it is amazing and then the other half is trash, but I've listened to the slower melodramatic songs on that record an absolute shit tonne the past couple of years.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 05, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
They’re my homies from high school and I love them dearly, but everything after Joyce manors s/t is fucking garbage.

man, that self titled was really something special. One of my favorite records of the past decade. I like the two that came after but not so much Cody and Million Dollars. Barry's a nice guy though.


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not about a genre or band, but i totally agree with this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ2czFuIYmQ
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fair enough.



concerning the quality. i don't think he was saying digital sounds "better", that's of course subjective, pretty sure he is aware of that. most people that say vinyl sounds better attribute it to warmth and dynamic. the latter has nothing to do with the medium though, more with how contemporary music is recorded and mixed. still, vinyl is the inferior information carrier if we are talking about that information getting lost or scrambled. i'd say vinyl is legit for archival purposes, since you can store it a heck of a long time.

as for me personally, i was an ardent defender of vinyl vs other mediums for the longest time, but at some point my record player broke, and i started getting flac versions of some records i wanted to listen to, and with the same setup of amp and boxes, was shocked how much nicer and clearer most of it sounded to me. i felt like i was living in a bubble the whole time. sometimes i miss the crackles and buzzing, but to me, high quality audio files is where it's at nowadays.



 so that's why i overall agree with him, even if i accept that he went a bit doomer, especially on the health aspect. i wouldn't tell anyone to throw aways their vinyl, or tell them that's garbage, but as i grow older and out of some cliched views i held as i was younger, mostly informed by what i thought what is cool or what isn't, i realized i probably fetishized vinyl, too, because it was simply cool and different, not necessarily better or smarter. it's part of punk and hip hop culture in a way and that's the main reason i wanted to use it. it shows off a lot better than a music folder on your computer and makes for better conversation pieces. people are way more impressed in social situations when you tell them that you own the velvet under ground & nico early pressing on vinyl than by you knowing that record in and out, cause they can't see or prove that and it takes no effort to listen to em, but to hunt that lp down and have the money to pay for it.

that is another part i dislike about vinyl culture, not everyone has the funds to maintain that setup, or even the space for it. it's like with tattoos. everyone acts like it's some underground culture thing, but it's actually a product you buy. there is no reason to be proud about owning that edition or have tattoos from a great artist, because everyone who pays can do that. it says nothing about a persons merit, but for most people i feel like vinyl and tattoos(i have tattoos myself) are about projecting some sort of sophistication and low key wealth status. why else would broke ass people sacrifice their funds for this? i know so many people that are too broke for everything and complain all the time about it, but get tattoos, records or tech stuff liberally. i love tattoos and wish i'd have gotten more while i was young enough to have reaped the coolness points, but it makes no sense to me to not eat for a month just to get one, or get one vinyl record with a booklet that i will read once and then never again when i can buy two digital records for the price and let the artist keep more money.



All fair points. I don't think the guy who made that video is totally off the mark, but I think some of his points are more fluff than an actual argument. The whole "better" thing regarding digital/analogue is obviously subjective, but when he was bringing up the peer review study there are lots of obvious factors ignored that make that report mean nothing to me. I know bands that recorded digitally one album then analogue the next and the difference is pretty astronomical, but ultimately that more has to do with the engineer than the physical medium. I could be mistaken but most aficionados I know seem to understand that good sound quality with vinyl has more to do with the player than it just being on a record. I hear the "warmth" thing mostly from newbies who buy Crosley's, which at one point was me until the guy at my local record shop schooled me on players.




I think the tattoo analogy is funny and I don't disagree. I think it was Henry Rollins who said that collecting vinyl was the ultimate "sober guy" hobby which really resonates with me. Upon getting a decent paying job my lifestyle has remained almost the same except that I let loose in a record store when the opportunity presents itself. It's frivolous, but I'll always be a sucker for physical media and it'll always mean more to be to be able to hold albums that really left a lasting impression on my life. I still stream and buy digital music out of convenience and necessity. And I think it's a good thing to strive for production to be a little more green, but ultimately I think environmental discussions are better suited toward behemoth corporations destroying the earth than dorks like me sitting around spinning records across the room.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 05, 2021, 01:18:02 PM
@pizzafliptofakie

i agree with a lot of this or at least can see that point of view. especially when it comes to the thing that it's more important to hold big corps responsible to go green on a large scale.

i personally don't get the thing about warmth either, i included it not because i think so or thought so, but it's something a lot of people say(organic sound is another thing i hear often, what even is that lol). maybe a good analogy would be a quantized beat vs an unquantized one that is built very precise tho. or something like that. either way, thanks for the input. made me reconsider the video a bit, even though i largely still agree that vinyl as a mass phenomenon is kinda dumb or played out. 

the dudes channel is still pretty cool though. i probably could find some more unpopular music opinions on there, haha. i find that interesting, even if the guy overdoes it a bit at times(see also recent behringer video, even though he's right that that company is scummy imo).
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: keepthefunkalive on January 05, 2021, 03:38:38 PM
I feel like Moodymann and Theo Parrish don't get enough credit either, even though they are regarded as legends.
I disregarded house and techno for a long time even though I've been listening to electronic music since the late 90's. Moodymann has some really really good tracks. Wish I would have listened to some friends recommendations a long time ago, but it's nice to find a new catalog of tunes to go through. Legend status for the heads for sure.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 07, 2021, 04:21:07 AM
Gotta preface this by saying I love geto boys and I love bushwick bill(rip), but here’s my take.

Bushwick was clearly the weakest member of the geto boys, look no further than the track Chuckie. But after using him for the cover of we can’t be stopped he became irreplaceable.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 07, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Gotta preface this by saying I love geto boys and I love bushwick bill(rip), but here’s my take.

Bushwick was clearly the weakest member of the geto boys, look no further than the track Chuckie. But after using him for the cover of we can’t be stopped he became irreplaceable.
Absolutely agree with this sentiment right here sure Bushwick Bill was definitely a better hype man than flavor flav and street cred.


Scarface was the most versatile man in that group, sure Willie D had a great solo album and entrepreneurship with his YouTube channel.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sluggloaph on January 07, 2021, 09:33:48 AM
Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.
Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get  bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Space Cowboy on January 07, 2021, 12:20:07 PM
Don't know if anyone has said this in this thread but the first half of the song for Kostons part is painfully bad
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 07, 2021, 01:54:24 PM
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Daft Punk gets way too much love for only making one great album (Discovery) and a bunch of so-so albums with a couple great songs on each.

Video game music is Japan’s greatest contribution to music and it’s not even close.

Blonde is overrated as hell.

Plastic Beach is criminally underrated, or at least didn’t have the lifespan that it probably deserved.

Prince blew it by not letting Koston use his song in Yeah Right, he owned his music at that point.

Skating to a hip hop song then skating to it’s sample as the 2nd song like Rodrigo TX did in Parental Advisory should be done way more often.
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Homework. The album by daft punk that's great is homework. Also correct on plastic beach, you get  bobby Womack and mos def on an album...sick.

Thinking Homework is better than Discovery is an unpopular opinion. Anyway, Alive 2007 is where the Homework tracks really got their time to shine and it might be their best album.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 11, 2021, 03:11:26 AM
Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 12, 2021, 11:20:49 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
Look I'm not going to front and say I didn't clown on them/secretly liked them when they were around and yea I did own quite a few albums and shirts for the most part.

 I lived in rural ass backwards Alabama/Tennessee before the internet we had to source out a band through word of mouth and album covers. I mean sure you had tried and true bands Slayer Metallica or Iron Maiden but as far as new music that was left up to chance or recommendation which could be hit or miss depending the person's taste.

Now back to the Nu-Metal thing it was definitely revolutionary for what it was regardless of someone liking it, no other subgenre was going to touch it like a leaky bag of dogshit it was admonished.

With heavy reluctance the kooky fans kinda almost ruined it for me because those that like nu-metal also could be meathead beat your ass types which is always fun till hatebreed and all those cop type of hardcore found its own lane.   

In the end music it is all subjective some bands are pleasing and poignant in it's timeline and ones own life and some are heavily slept on.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 12, 2021, 11:24:17 AM
Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 12, 2021, 11:31:12 AM
Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........

I feel like that’s not a hot take it’s just having functioning hearing.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 12, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
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Faith No More is waaaaay better than Red Hot Chili Peppers.........
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I feel like that’s not a hot take it’s just having functioning hearing.
Tell that to my jazz bassist friend who practically sucks Fleas dick...... Dude is on some other level kook when it comes to music tastes.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 12, 2021, 02:44:36 PM
Here’s my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: friendly dave on January 12, 2021, 03:50:48 PM
Here’s my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.

What Alan Lomax did to capture those historical songs is amazing.

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on January 13, 2021, 12:26:34 AM

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 13, 2021, 11:17:42 AM
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Here’s my contribution for the day...

If Alan Lomax never toured the country, we (white people) would still be jamming shit like the camp town ladies and Yankee Doodle dandy.

Obvious, maybe, but needs to be acknowledged.
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What Alan Lomax did to capture those historical songs is amazing.

Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.

Cry yourself to ashhhhhhhhhhhh


For what it's worth, I've listened to like 2 Sunn O))) records and enjoyed them both, but never really stuck with them.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 13, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
one of the greatest albums of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FRFcE-jsQo
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 13, 2021, 05:22:33 PM
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Nobody actually listens to Sunn O))). They just like the t-shirts, and getting really high and going to the live show.
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I've really tried to give them a chance. I just can't do it.
If you're in to music and heavy riffs you'll like it IMO...... I'm a bass player and I've found that weird semblance of playing around with pedals and going to weird places in music and drums.

Sun(o))) for me is the doom psychedelic heaviness that a few might like.......

Sun(0)) is the new Neurosis, & Tool is the Walmart discount version of Neurosis.

https://youtu.be/MowMNgVhrso
My old band sucked....
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on January 13, 2021, 09:00:39 PM
how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.
I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.
Also when did you start listening to them, that will heavily affect your opinion of them. HTCE was my first album of theirs and while everyone likes to say "they transformed into this huge progressive thrash band", even during my first listen (and with my very limited understanding of music) I was like, "these punks like Metallica".

I also adore John K Samson as a song writer too so perhaps I'm biased? My fav album is the split 10" with ISPY because I get John-era propganadhi and I also get to hear Todd's songs. Having said that, and if I'm being honest with myself, Failed States probably comes in at number 2 or 3 for me. Supporting Caste is solid though and I think in years to come we'll also need a beaver-era of the band too when comparing their collective work because he really brought a lot to the band! Have you heard his instrumental band Giant Sons? Awesome shit!

but yeah, musically of course their earlier work is going to sound shitty (I even owned their demo tapes) and there is a tonne of fans who think supporting caste is right up there.

the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...

ThE Sex Pistols wEre so PUNX!!

yeah, oh really? I know nothing about punk music how fascinating ... oh look there is some paint drying on a wall, bye!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on January 14, 2021, 12:58:06 AM
^it's been posted on here before, i think even in this thread, but has to be repeated

public image ltd>sex pistols

by far
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 14, 2021, 05:24:12 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?

i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 14, 2021, 06:07:38 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
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i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
Have we met before?

That Marilyn Manson comparison is fairly accurate anything before beautiful people was decent.

Tool to me wasn't my cup of tea however [NiN]  is great for nongenre interludes for a vid.
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Post by: burm on January 14, 2021, 06:09:02 AM
I bought Marilyn Manson's newest cd AND the t-shirt. Also just received notice that the frame I ordered for the poster of his painting that came with it is at the post office. I wasn't too much into the last 1-3 albums, but it's safe to say I'm a fan. I feel he's like Lady Gaga in the sense that people just see the meat dress and think "that awkward weirdo is trying too hard to shock me" where as the person inside is not even trying to play at their game
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Post by: Frank on January 14, 2021, 06:39:09 AM
wasn't and still not a fan of most nu metal bands like korn at all. but i like ministry, nin and marilyn manson a lot.

i still like some nu metal songs from back then though. like this one is a banger and the video is great. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51DEzX0lLY4

static x was kind of cool as well.

i was more into the stuff that blended into post hardcore territory, like deftones, glassjaw, will haven(debatable if the last two are nu metal at all tbf) or far. i'll go out of my way and claim that alien ant farm were also not that bad if you looked further than the smooth criminal cover. people are more annoyed by the grimacing frontman than the music i feel.
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 14, 2021, 07:18:41 AM
I bought Marilyn Manson's newest cd AND the t-shirt. Also just received notice that the frame I ordered for the poster of his painting that came with it is at the post office. I wasn't too much into the last 1-3 albums, but it's safe to say I'm a fan. I feel he's like Lady Gaga in the sense that people just see the meat dress and think "that awkward weirdo is trying too hard to shock me" where as the person inside is not even trying to play at their game
I like spooky kids part of his career whenever he became a solo artist it was mehhhh.
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Post by: livin on a speyer on January 14, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Rap is boomer music.
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 14, 2021, 08:45:59 PM
While the music isn't good and the fanbase is cringey, a few of ICP's albums entertained me for a good bit when I was a kid and I don't regret it.
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Post by: urbneathme on January 14, 2021, 09:34:41 PM
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how to clean everything, in comparison to their later discography, is trash, and supporting caste is the best propagandhi album.
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I don't think anyone would really argue with you there, but you kinda have to consider them as 2 separate bands or entities bands: John-era vs Todd-era.
Also when did you start listening to them, that will heavily affect your opinion of them. HTCE was my first album of theirs and while everyone likes to say "they transformed into this huge progressive thrash band", even during my first listen (and with my very limited understanding of music) I was like, "these punks like Metallica".

I also adore John K Samson as a song writer too so perhaps I'm biased? My fav album is the split 10" with ISPY because I get John-era propganadhi and I also get to hear Todd's songs. Having said that, and if I'm being honest with myself, Failed States probably comes in at number 2 or 3 for me. Supporting Caste is solid though and I think in years to come we'll also need a beaver-era of the band too when comparing their collective work because he really brought a lot to the band! Have you heard his instrumental band Giant Sons? Awesome shit!

but yeah, musically of course their earlier work is going to sound shitty (I even owned their demo tapes) and there is a tonne of fans who think supporting caste is right up there.

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the sex pistols suck and its funny that everybody looks to them as the example of "punk" (i know not most of yall, but the mainstream) when there were so many more "punk" bands out at the time.
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if I'm talking to someone about music and they even mention the Sex Pistols and punk in the same sentence, I immediately right them off (as some Duane Peters type doosh) and pretend I know nothing about punk music...

ThE Sex Pistols wEre so PUNX!!

yeah, oh really? I know nothing about punk music how fascinating ... oh look there is some paint drying on a wall, bye!
i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).
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Post by: burm on January 15, 2021, 02:23:29 AM
While the music isn't good and the fanbase is cringey, a few of ICP's albums entertained me for a good bit when I was a kid and I don't regret it.
I co-sign this  :-[
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 15, 2021, 04:09:00 AM
When I drink by myself I listen to alot of shitty country music.  I grew up extremely rural and don't miss it at all, but it's kinda calming to be reminded of home.  Also, the Dixie Chicks slap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqgr7R4zUMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVTNjdFlYM
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Post by: Sleazy on January 15, 2021, 04:45:46 AM
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Korn is not that bad of a band, I went through my old CD's for a trip down nostalgia lane and those time's past gotta say Korn, NIN, Sepultura we're in heavy rotation for my soundtrack 95-97.

With some irony my music taste has changed vastly since then however when one looks back at their angsty teenage years a vast majority of it is full of cringey moments,  I don't mind it at all.

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I was going to post along these lines as well. Like people treat many bands of this era with disdain since apparently 20 years later numetal is still "the worst thing to happen to music", but what exactly do bands like Korn, System of a Down, Deftones or Slipknot have in common with rap-rock like Limp Bizkit or P.O.D.? What is the definition of numetal then, drop-tuned guitars? Performed at Ozzfest or Family Values?

Like you don't have to like them, but show some respect. Or maybe some people just didn't have their angsty teenage years, in which case, I don't know, you win or something?
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i still listen to NIN on the regular and feel that them and tool are both great bands from that era that still put out good music. i love that trent has become one of the most widely used people for movie music and really got a kick out of watching soul with my kids and hearing trent distinct talents in the background.

i'd even cautiously add manson to that list. he's had some really cool songs come out the last few years like this one and i always liked hit stuff more than bands like korn, system of down, etc... who i listened to when they first came out but didn't stick with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0Er7Jh-38

the thing i feel was a big miss from the early 90s is that people should know ministry, butthole surfers and skinny puppy more than most of the bands listed above. they all created great music that i still go back too but never got any shine after the scene died out. ministry was still dropping some pretty sick tracks way after the dust settled on the early 90s. always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGMW86u1Qk
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Have we met before?

That Marilyn Manson comparison is fairly accurate anything before beautiful people was decent.

Tool to me wasn't my cup of tea however [NiN]  is great for nongenre interludes for a vid.

probably haven't met unless you live in austin or houston.

for NIN i feel they still release great stuff. i'm a shameless fanboy though. my screen name on peloton is nineinchales

here's a recent track that i think is really cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSnPVqAjtRU
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 16, 2021, 02:05:55 AM
When I drink by myself I listen to alot of shitty country music.  I grew up extremely rural and don't miss it at all, but it's kinda calming to be reminded of home.  Also, the Dixie Chicks slap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqgr7R4zUMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVTNjdFlYM

fuck yeah.
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Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 16, 2021, 07:58:17 AM
"songs about jane" is a fantastic pop album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3YoJVSxJFk
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 17, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
I must be so high that I don’t recognize the fire burning in your eyes and the chaos that controls my mind.
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Post by: McDuff on January 18, 2021, 06:12:20 AM
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 18, 2021, 08:34:59 AM
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff

I agree with this - ive always thought of the sex pistols being the punk equivalent of a lager tops - its sick when your dad gives you one when your 12 but its far from the real thing
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 18, 2021, 09:22:47 AM
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
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Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on January 18, 2021, 08:24:27 PM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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I agree with this - ive always thought of the sex pistols being the punk equivalent of a lager tops - its sick when your dad gives you one when your 12 but its far from the real thing
that's a good way to describe the pistols actually! fine if they are a gateway drug for you into punk, but die hard fans that think they are the epitome of the genre are pretty damn sad!!

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i definitely agree with most everything you said. i got into it through today's empires maybe 7 years ago. right around the time they stopped touring the US with any regularity. i also really enjoy john's music, he was really kind to a close friend of mine on a tour, i really in every way have nothing but good feelings toward him. i think we've met different propagandhi fans though because i had a group of people once tell me that everything after HTCE was unlistenable nonsense. (these were people with punk names tho, so it might just be my fault for being around them).
I'm glad you like John despite coming in at TETA, people who got into the band later are usually like, "who is this wimpy kermit the frog sounding fucker?" but I always loved the balance he brought the band and the weakerthans are easily one of my fav bands ever. I'm surprised that truPUNX would even like HTCE, it was pretty "poppy" if you're comparing to regular punk, and a lot of the lyrics are basically shitting on the punk scene, guess the message got lost in the music huh? probably the type of people that yell PLAY SKA SUCKS!!! in 2021...

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Maroon 5 are definitely a great band, or should I say they aren't that shitty in the scheme of pop music!!
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Post by: Prince on January 18, 2021, 10:11:38 PM
The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
It's true!
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Post by: burm on January 18, 2021, 11:33:12 PM
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The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
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It's true!
I fucked with Damnation and a Day, Nymphetamine and Thornography A LOT as well. Thornography must be my favorite album, so groovy and shit. It's one of those bands where even as a fan I find myself thinking at times if they would actually be better with another singer or not. Like, Dani Filth is a lot to handle and especially lately he seems all over the place and throwing those raptor squeals every where he can, but without him would they be anything?
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Post by: larry leadfoot on January 19, 2021, 03:43:59 AM
Changes and FX are both excellent Sabbath songs.
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 19, 2021, 06:23:04 AM
Changes and FX are both excellent Sabbath songs.


I think they work well in the context of the full album. I think it's kinda neat to have a weird noisy interlude that immediately follows such a pretty piano song before it takes you back to a more signature song of theirs.
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on January 20, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Post by: McDuff on January 20, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 20, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.

The Cradle of Filth discography up to (and including) Cruelty and the Beast is so good.
Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.
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Post by: Jumping Beans on January 20, 2021, 02:47:19 PM
Fuckin love this song.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PIh2xe4jnpk
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Post by: McDuff on January 21, 2021, 01:53:39 AM
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I like Kanye’s music ... a lot, also maroon 5 and third eye blind. I understand the Sex Pistols were a “boy band” sort of, but it led me toward some good stuff
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Hahaha! This is true.

Kanye discography is like the Final Fantasy series. I don’t believe anyone who likes all of it, I can’t trust someone who likes none of it.
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Then call me a untrustworthy person, I'm sure I've heard it albeit a cameo or extra in a rap song and I wasn't impressed. Anyone who has that kinda extra self important ego I'm immediately not going to like them. Is it a personal thing? maybe....... when someone raps about stories and coming up in the struggle or making whatever that music is it has to be relatable and my age has shown how much I'm really in to.

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Naww son COF always came off as ultra mega corny couldn't get in to it.

I feel you. I think artists should have an ego to some degree, his is off the meat obv... but I like that about him. Calling himself a genius etc. different strokes. I know he’s a bit too much for some people in his views, but ignorance is bliss (in my case).
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Post by: matty_c on January 21, 2021, 09:18:32 AM
I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
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Post by: Grind King Rims on January 21, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
Yeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 21, 2021, 04:10:38 PM
this is a great song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP4qdefD2To
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Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 21, 2021, 07:42:29 PM
hell yes it is ^^^
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Post by: matty_c on January 21, 2021, 09:43:04 PM
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I fucking love that song called steal my sunshine
There all on mopeds or some shit in the video
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Yeah, with the brother and sister touching each other all weird and shit in the video.


Holy shit they’re related?? Damn canadians eh
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 22, 2021, 07:31:40 AM
I love both bands but I think the Boston strangler is better than the rival mob. Hard to admit that but there, I said it.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 22, 2021, 09:26:59 PM
Amanda Palmer can be cringey as fuck but the Dresden Dolls are amazing.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 23, 2021, 12:43:32 AM
people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians

**updated opinion - I didn't realize he was gay. that actually is badass for a country musician and I can understand his appeal a bit more but I still don't enjoy the music
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 23, 2021, 02:22:21 AM
people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians

100% i cannot get into that dude
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Post by: Frank on January 23, 2021, 05:09:34 AM
hell yes it is ^^^

i was into the goo goo dolls when i was 11 years or so haha. i bought this and the jed album and it's a pretty good early pop punk album.

this instrumental track is still killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCpYwpTXgGk&list=PLStJ3c0X6dFG3s_JO2iGfTp2wiaykk_zt&index=4
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Post by: brycickle on January 23, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
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people only like Orville Peck because of the aesthetic. There are far better outlaw country musicians
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100% i cannot get into that dude
Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.
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Post by: Dwyck on January 23, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling
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Post by: bea! on January 23, 2021, 01:19:36 PM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules. 
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Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 23, 2021, 01:20:53 PM
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100% i cannot get into that dude
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Sooooo...he's the Ghost, of outlaw country.

HAHA! exactly
(but Ghosts first album was sick)
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Post by: Grind King Rims on January 23, 2021, 01:44:05 PM
As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling

Can you give examples?
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Post by: Prince on January 23, 2021, 04:45:59 PM
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 23, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

You speak the truth. I liked the Sex Pistols back when I first heard them as a kid, then when I moved onto other punk/hardcore etc. I took the stance that they sucked because I was too cool(stupid). That album is so great even outside of 77 punk/protopunk etc. - its almost just a rock n roll album


on that note Johnny Rotten being a Trump guy was weird/hilarious to watch lol. Not as twacked out as duane peters but in the same vein
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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 23, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.

to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on January 23, 2021, 09:57:22 PM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 24, 2021, 03:54:42 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 24, 2021, 07:43:16 AM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

oi! i think i started the Sex Pistols conversation on the first page, when i simply stated:

Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

and i absolutely believe it is, but this being said, i too like the Sex Pistols, and the album mentioned...i literally was still playing with Star Wars figures and shit when some older punks in my family gave me a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and got a kick out of the fact that i would be playing Star Wars to "Bodies"

so Never Mind the Bollocks came out in 1977...i know it wasn't released until the late 1990s, but how fucking mindblowing is it that Bad Brains' Black Dots recordings happened not even two years later in 1979?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYWYeDvgX6k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8MdUAeeNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwb8UPLLj8

Black Dots is one of my all-time favorite albums from anyone, and my favorite Bad Brains album...honestly, as far as power, speed, and intensity this does make the Sex Pistols seem like a boy band, (edit:) although i know that the Bad Brains were influenced by them...

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: GauchoAmigo on January 24, 2021, 11:07:12 AM

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
nah b
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 24, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

What I said about calling a song a poem and taking away from what it is to write a song means that to write a song, a good song, is a totally different process where accompanying music needs to be considered while also taking into consideration lyrical devices, word meaning, history, figures of speech etc. And that's why Dylan has written timeless song. When making a poem it's about the maker and no one else. You gotta ask, is this poem finished when it's done being written on paper? is it finished when someone else reads it? is it finished when I, the maker, read it aloud to effect listeners as it moves through the brain/body/collective/liminal spaces? I'm someone that writes and reads (makes) poems and someone that can't write songs because I don't understand music. the moving parts of a poem exist within the maker, whereas with a song there are more external factors to consider, parts outside control.

With only a handful of exceptions, Dylan wrote his own lyric and the accompanying music, tracks whatever you want to call it- he writes total songs. Dude's been putting original music out since 1961. Whether you like him or not, there's no credence to the argument. But that's your unpopular opinion ;)



oi! i think i started the Sex Pistols conversation on the first page, when i simply stated:

Public Image: First Issue is better than Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

and i absolutely believe it is, but this being said, i too like the Sex Pistols, and the album mentioned...i literally was still playing with Star Wars figures and shit when some older punks in my family gave me a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and got a kick out of the fact that i would be playing Star Wars to "Bodies"

so Never Mind the Bollocks came out in 1977...i know it wasn't released until the late 1990s, but how fucking mindblowing is it that Bad Brains' Black Dots recordings happened not even two years later in 1979?


Black Dots is one of my all-time favorite albums from anyone, and my favorite Bad Brains album...honestly, as far as power, speed, and intensity this does make the Sex Pistols seem like a boy band, (edit:) although i know that the Bad Brains were influenced by them...



Sex Pistol did some shit that was pretty mind-blowing to the uninitiated, I think that's why we all liked them when we were 12. Sid was the OG edge lord with his swazi armbands and shit. NMTB was great until I heard bands like the Dead Kennedys or even the Misfits.

And you're right about Black Dots, it's a powerful record. Red Bone in the City is a sick track kinda playing off the Pistols
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on January 24, 2021, 03:10:04 PM
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Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
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nah b

yeah b. one of the worst bands of all time :) hehe
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: ismokemid on January 24, 2021, 06:24:54 PM
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As a Bronx native raised by a british woman the NY Drill thing makes absolutely no sense to me. Like, Bobby Shmurda went away and then a couple years later I'm hearing like Brooklyn rappers over UK-Garage takes on Chicago-style beats--when did this happen? It's everywhere! Like I thought the thing people liked about 6ix9ine was the yelling
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Can you give examples?

https://youtu.be/usu0XY4QNB0

https://youtu.be/xf3eAb4l38Y

Literally every NY drill song sounds the exact same. It's insane how influential Pop Smoke was in such a short amount of time with incorporating UK's sound into the US.



Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 24, 2021, 09:04:47 PM
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Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit.
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nah b
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yeah b. one of the worst bands of all time :) hehe
I back this........... Radiohead is garbage.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on January 25, 2021, 03:16:00 AM
Man I liked them but I reckon thom yourke’s head went up his own arsehole years ago
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: McDuff on January 25, 2021, 06:52:05 AM
I'm gonna stick up for the Sex Pistols here...

They were not a fucking boy band.  It irks me when people say that, because a boy band is created and produced for the pop market.  I would say they were more of an art project of Malcom McLaren, who was trying to break into music management for quite awhile (he briefly managed The New York Dolls)... They existed as a band prior to meeting McLaren (Paul Cook and Steve Jones had a band) and McLaren eventually helped get Glen Matlock in and eventually Johnny Rotten.  McLaren wanted money, sure, but he did it through chaos and outrage.  So he helped assemble them, yes, but they wrote all their own music and wrote one of the greatest punk LP's of that time period.   

I can see how some people get put off the mainstream idea that they were the "first" punk band, because they weren't, not even for that 75-77 era...  there were bands that released records before Never Mind The Bollocks (Ramones, Dead Boys, Saints, Suicide Commandos).  The Damned first 7" came out before theirs did (though the Sex Pistols were around longer).

They really just made punk a worldwide phenomenon, and created a blueprint for what the punk "look" would become.  Yeah, the whole safety pin/ripped clothes thing is corny as fuck now, and Sid Vicious really sucked, but at the time it was revolutionary.  That album is perfectly produced btw... I suggest giving it another listen, cause that album fucking rules.

Thanks for this. I love that album so much, And only just watched “24 hour party people”... so great how the one show influenced a scene. I’ll never brush them off. Tbh, only mentioned the boy band thing to get ahead of any blowback. This is slap, and I’m too lazy to argue.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on January 25, 2021, 07:10:39 AM
Man I liked them but I reckon thom yourke’s head went up his own arsehole years ago


it's hard for me to have a fair opinion of Radiohead when I hear some of the praise they get for things that aren't particularly original or complex. I saw this long video essay about the song Videotape and why its syncopated rhythm makes Thom mess it up. Which sure, in terms of pop music syncopation is relatively interesting, but it's also something I learned about in like middle school band. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 25, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
Billy Stewart’s version of summertime is the best out of the 25,000 versions of the track.

https://youtu.be/CDLDl0_pt_k
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 25, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: doublesteveburger on January 25, 2021, 02:59:30 PM
Soviet Kitsch by Regina Spektor is punk as shit.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on January 25, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 26, 2021, 03:36:10 AM
Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k

This was the most punk shit I’ve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on January 26, 2021, 09:23:13 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo

It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 26, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
I love nu metal
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 26, 2021, 10:18:43 AM
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.
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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.
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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed
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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo
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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.

and theres a new sig. thanks Chief
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 26, 2021, 03:44:07 PM
I love nu metal
What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 26, 2021, 05:24:14 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 26, 2021, 06:47:51 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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RATM and tool aren't new metal...

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 27, 2021, 06:21:04 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: McDuff on January 27, 2021, 07:46:17 AM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to “I believe in a thing called love”. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on January 27, 2021, 09:49:33 AM
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the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g
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Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to “I believe in a thing called love”. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.

What a deal!

the Darkness for a first dance woulda been rad haha
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 27, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.

Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on January 27, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
I mean what else would you categorize them as? Maybe the progenitor to what Korn was trying to become?! IDK but thats what I have them in my music folder....

For the most part I've been a hater and for good reason some of that genre was errgghhh mehhh (https://media.tenor.com/images/f001e6b5c812ad474cde8eba0b691fbb/tenor.gif)

I believe that with any genre of music there's an oversaturation and for the most part Korn and other bands that were similar they either fell off or kept at it, which is why I like Korn, they've taken the piss from critics and fans and probably heard their complaints which why their sound has gradually gotten better. Thats just me though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 27, 2021, 12:37:16 PM
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome

Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.
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I love nu metal
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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.
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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely
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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.
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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome
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Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.

Dude I was there! Haha
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 27, 2021, 11:47:17 PM
RATM is more nu metal than Korn. I don’t know what the official definition of nu metal is, I was asking about that earlier in the thread, but to me there’s usually a rap element. Now ask yourself which of the two is a rapper, Zach de la Rocha or Jon Davis? Hint, paradoxically it’s not the one dressing up like Run DMC...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: burm on January 28, 2021, 12:07:23 AM
But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool and Orgy.  Hell, maybe even Rammstein, they were on the Family Values tour in ’98 after all.
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Post by: Easy Slider on January 28, 2021, 12:11:06 AM
I never thought of RATM as Nu Metal. Actually when their first album came out the style was called crossover (at least in Europe). The term Nu Metal was first applied to Limp Bizkit afaik.
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 28, 2021, 07:16:35 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 08:16:58 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
Holy shit dude!!!!

 Way to come in hot with a rad counterpoint to this discussion. I loved and still appreciate Helmet for so many reasons including nostalgic purposes.

These guy's definitely check alot of boxes for numetal before numetal was a thing.

Now upon greater reflection RATM reminds me of crossover rap metal?
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Post by: bea! on January 28, 2021, 08:21:13 AM
admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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Post by: Easy Slider on January 28, 2021, 08:46:02 AM

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. 


If Judgment Night is mentioned, I would like to throw in this Onyx/Biohazard collab:

https://youtu.be/DZdW32LgBDc

Rock remixes of rap tracks were quite a thing around that time. E.g. below rock mix of House of Pain Shamrocks and Shenanigans.

https://youtu.be/FOGQDqY-_5w

Obviously Cypress Hill then really jumped on that bandwagon starting from the IV album.

I realise this stuff did not age quite well (as opposed to the rest of the early back catalogue of Onyx, House of Pain and Cypress Hill that aged like fine wine).
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on January 28, 2021, 08:58:34 AM
Onyx fucking rules. I give Kareem 1000% credit for my love of onyx.

My theory is the reason they didn’t fucking blow up is because they released Bacdafucup a few months too late. If they released it in December of 1992 it could have been one of the best records of the year. But, by releasing it in March of 93 they couldn’t compete with what came later that year, midnight marauders and enter the 36 chambers.

Tl/dr onyx got over shadowed by wu tang and a tribe called quest.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on January 28, 2021, 09:08:36 AM
i love this thread...hey, cheers bea! and Easy Slider, "if Judgment Night is mentioned, I would [also] like to throw in"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmdg3epcic
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Post by: IusedToSkateMore on January 28, 2021, 11:11:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyvEeoj7To  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyvEeoj7To)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2p7jOXCj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2p7jOXCj0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhyx-heAhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhyx-heAhY)

Eastcide was from my hometown and right on the cusp of blowing up in the rap-rock/nu-metal wave but they were just hoodlums and working dudes making hard music. There was some pretty cool shit going on in Massachusetts in the late 90s-early 00s.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Thom on January 28, 2021, 02:42:33 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

For fans of helmet

https://youtu.be/HtQNSslwHJs

Members of Torche, Kylesa...
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 03:06:00 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY
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Post by: bea! on January 28, 2021, 05:59:16 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY

That’s definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

I’m sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didn’t look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 06:17:16 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY
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That’s definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

I’m sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didn’t look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.
For sure I use to get down while listening to this jam. It really shows our age when looking back at these types of bands.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on January 28, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 28, 2021, 08:09:53 PM
down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on January 28, 2021, 11:43:28 PM
Unsung is such a great helmet song

RATM come from the hardcore scene and defs not nu-metal
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Post by: Huell Howser on January 29, 2021, 01:46:34 AM
Led Zeppelin is annoying because of Robert Plant's vocals

besides over the hills and far away - have a soft spot from that Jeremy Wray edit lol
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 29, 2021, 04:04:10 AM
I never really liked Led Zeppelin, sure their band is talented but Robert plants voice sucks..
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Post by: cucktard on January 29, 2021, 04:10:19 AM
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Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k
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This was the most punk shit I’ve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.

Check out their back catalogue.

It’s full of gems like this

https://youtu.be/CLYAPIgXmf4
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 29, 2021, 05:28:21 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 29, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).
Yeah I honestly forgot about Faith No More, which makes a hell of a lot of sense.

I would argue that Red Hot Chili Peppers were biting FNM style but that's just me though.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Huell Howser on January 29, 2021, 12:58:16 PM
I never really liked Led Zeppelin, sure their band is talented but Robert plants voice sucks..

this is pretty much where I am at. Can give respect cuz the musicianship but fuck the vocals are so lame

also this band cos-playing led zeppelin is so funny. some of this shit could be straight out of spinal tap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_vnQc1oBE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86_vnQc1oBE)
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Post by: brycickle on January 29, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
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Post by: burm on January 29, 2021, 10:11:25 PM
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Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
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Post by: burm on January 29, 2021, 10:19:17 PM
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Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
Because I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.

And in any case my original point here was that some like to lump bands as numetal and that automatically makes them bad, when in my opinion there is little in common between bands like Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down, especially as the bands matured, but all of these I have seen called numetal (not in this thread necessarily)
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Post by: El Fapinator on January 30, 2021, 05:05:21 AM
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But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool
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Is the late 80'/early 90s the turn of the millenium now?
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Limp Bizkit's two first albums came out in '97 and '99 and they were considered the pinnacle of numetal. Chocolate Starfish was 2000.

I was just looking for a definition, so if you have a definition of numetal that's centered around late 80'/early 90s let's hear it.
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Because I'm thinking of stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D, fucking Crazy Town... These were big in 2000 onwards.

And in any case my original point here was that some like to lump bands as numetal and that automatically makes them bad, when in my opinion there is little in common between bands like Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down, especially as the bands matured, but all of these I have seen called numetal (not in this thread necessarily)
For sure I hear this a lot of these band’s were summed up together but completely totally different in similar styles but either toured together or had interwoven friendships

I have to say though if I were to prefer a timeline for this era would be early 90’s to 98’ wasn’t played out it had it’s moments in time that were nostalgic for me.
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Post by: livin on a speyer on January 30, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
Rap is the most boring music genre there is.
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Post by: doublesteveburger on January 30, 2021, 11:09:13 AM
Rap is the most boring music genre there is.

I disagree - much like punk - there are subcultures/styles within the culture and maybe you just haven’t found the sound/lyricism that suits your taste.

Are you writing off rap as a whole due to what’s popular today?
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Post by: urbneathme on January 30, 2021, 11:51:05 AM
rage against the machine and downset laid the foundation for nu metal. they’re the jumping off point for the genre, so it’s a valid classification. it’s like throwing emo on husker du in retrospect
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Post by: Sleazy on February 04, 2021, 06:37:39 PM
rage against the machine and downset laid the foundation for nu metal. they’re the jumping off point for the genre, so it’s a valid classification. it’s like throwing emo on husker du in retrospect

wouldn't emo be at the drive in?

this kind of pivots well to a point i was going to make which is i think a lot of shitty styles of musics from that era spun off a great bands or at least bands that put out some great songs/albums. the two obvious examples for me in the 90s would be rage and ATDI. both were great but then their style got quickly imitated into these horrible genres that overshadowed the source material. the grunge bands were no where near as bad as the modern rock stuff that imitated it, etc...
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Post by: Dwyck on February 04, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
I like Spiral Stairs vocals better than malkmus's
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 04, 2021, 07:23:04 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
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Post by: El Fapinator on February 04, 2021, 07:33:54 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: silhouette on February 04, 2021, 07:43:26 PM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.
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Post by: Huell Howser on February 04, 2021, 08:22:55 PM
^backed on that later Ramones statement. Howling at the moon off Animal Boy could easily make a top 10 list of best songs of all time. Also I dig the huge sounding production on tracks like Bonzo goes to Bitburg

.38 Special 'Caught Up In You' is one of the best songs ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg21Rkew874 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg21Rkew874)
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Post by: DaleSr on February 04, 2021, 10:18:25 PM
I fucking love Coldplay. I have their lyrics tattooed on my ribs.
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Post by: rawr1922 on February 04, 2021, 11:18:32 PM
I enjoyed reading the nu metal discussion the last 2 pages.
 
Anyways, Jay Reatard & The Black Lips rule.   
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 05, 2021, 03:41:33 AM
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I don't know man, a means to an end is a close contender for being a top 10 IMO.

Yeah true, I mean I love joy division. But, sometimes their tracks can feel bloated and distanced. But if I’m of my meds and feeling like garbage, they hit a lot different than if I’m on my meds.

In the same breath though, as much as I love rudimentary peni, nick blinko made hesitate for years about getting on anti-psychotics, I’m glad I did and it changed my life for the better, but had I not read the primal screamer when I was 13, I would probably be much more well adjusted.
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Post by: Art Greco on February 05, 2021, 06:07:51 AM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.

Too Tough To Die and Halfway To Sanity are my favorite Ramones records.  They got past that rudimentary three chord stuff and really became a good, serious songwriting band at that point. 

Songs like I Wanna Live and  Planet Earth 1988 are miles ahead of what they were doing on Leave Home and Rocket To Russia, imo.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 05, 2021, 06:29:05 AM
Shit, I was about to reply to the posts on the first page not realizing there were eight of them. I like all Ramones eras for different reasons, they really were quite the interesting band. I know a lot of people prefer to ignore their late stuff, and also despised their increasingly high speed live but I was always rather fascinated by it, especially due to how it really had a lot to do with how they couldn't stand each other and thus wanted to keep gigs shorter and shorter but without sacrificing the number of songs on the set list. Some stuff off Animal Boy like Crummy Stuff is so bubble gummy but I totally bite. Joey had some cool solo hits too, I'm a big fan of his version of Life's A Gas or Duke Of Earl and in general there's a German (IIRC) documentary on his life that I'd recommend watching if you're a fan.

NOFX's last good record was So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes and also one of their very best, up there with Ribbed/White Trash/Punk In Drublic to me. On the other hand, S&M Airlines has some of the worst singing I've ever heard recorded, this is just not rockin'. Maximum Rocknroll and Liberal Animation remind me of some of the best nardcore bands in a good way (the latter almost feels like a crude interpretation of ST's Join The Army, too), but damn those lyrics. Bad Religion lost me around Generator, but How Could Hell Be Any Worse, Suffer, Against the Grain and most especially No Control are all time.


I think Wolves In Wolves' Clothing is a great NOFX record start to finish. I like stuff from their later catalog but that might be the only one I think is good all the way through. But So Long is my favorite.


The Ramones' later records (especially Animal Boy) are interesting because of how fragmented the writing is. Joey was my favorite member even though Dee Dee was the best songwriter of the band.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 05, 2021, 06:42:27 AM
I love Helmet. My very first "skate video" was an enhanced CD called "Bored Generation" that had a mix of Hip Hop and Punk, and it had "Wilma's Rainbow" on it.  They were definitely pioneers of drop tuning in and in that sense were very influential on Nu Metal. That being said, Faith No More was Korn's biggest influence and TBH I see them as having more in common with the genre than Helmet (don't tell that to weirdly snobby Mike Patton fans).

i love helmet as well, and betty especially. wilmas rainbow, milquetoast and street crab are my favorites.

this another 90s alt metal/noise/post hardcore band that ruled, but noone talks about, with helmets peter mengede on guitar. also with ex members of gorilla buiscuits and quicksand. you hear quicksand a lot in there, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nYlz4oeIIg

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: brycickle on February 06, 2021, 02:01:45 PM
Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 06, 2021, 02:13:11 PM
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Warsaw is the best joy division track by a mile.
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Have you listened to the No Dogs in Space series on Joy Division?

Yes I have! Super good series
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 06, 2021, 07:35:49 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


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Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#128512;
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on February 07, 2021, 03:22:04 AM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#128512;
What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 07, 2021, 08:35:15 AM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.

really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on February 07, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on February 07, 2021, 11:19:00 PM
I find Joy Division boring, Tool doesn't really do anything for me either but I really like this track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmJYZ1NIn1Y
prison sex is pretty cool too!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Grind King Rims on February 08, 2021, 05:10:56 AM
I fucking love Coldplay. I have their lyrics tattooed on my ribs.

I think Coldplay became the go-to band to shit on after 40 Year Old Virgin and just because they're not a Rock band, really, but I think they're great and they have been for years.

What lyrics do you have tattoo'd on you?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 08, 2021, 06:46:59 AM
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.

and since we're talking about Robert Smith, look how young and adorable he is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jmB4xgNWw
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 08, 2021, 07:39:42 AM
i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.




Wow, that's interesting. I love their cover and I love the original. I actually have a 7 inch that has both versions on each side.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 08, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
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i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

side note--everyone thought that Dinosaur Jr's crazy cover of this was a dig at The Cure, but turns out J Mascis also thinks this is one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and that's why he covered it.

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Wow, that's interesting. I love their cover and I love the original. I actually have a 7 inch that has both versions on each side.

i had no idea they made a split 7" with each version on a side:

https://www.discogs.com/The-Cure-Dinosaur-Jr-Just-Like-Heaven/release/5605934

that's incredible...i had the Dinosaur Jr 7" of "Just Like Heaven" long ago, but--like most of my vinyl--throughout my years of transience, i have no idea where it is and/or if i sold it at one point.

i did manage to hang on to this priceless gem, which i believe was the version of "The Wagon" used in G&S Footage, since this came out a bit before Green Mind

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uXqvyZoMZgOXnSZfha56Xcp2CfLfR9RHULr4iHOftnRp8XEcsGuCVdbEn6T6kVj1-MYV0u1ycHmrg6Sbfb-F9TGKiuED2iNxZwQE46IVovhGES40RRuL6Dp0nPM1PM_7Hbdi8PrVJY0hm1EeTeIIB0glZZ68orm5n8KNTpjPs0h8ybKm7-5Sdz8bZ1xAhEOoXYb-91dCiva2aixCq8-PRoKwLdc29zrWrCaWdaVPSyqxOH__T7xM4GSaAFKzB2E2qaEHdDfk-UQ9ZWO7r8Tt67gQf5k5ENnKT9C2VmgVisbxJkuHY4_wNB9_6x2m7_pUet-_WuypN1In-k47nwJ8_7jfXitjHDdL5Acp84KZieUPU610qQI9mjppZ8Oq_Jglnr6HplT5ULikwFjk_5HZikT47j_btnCtYqsnCvNIKw_1bpsj_tFJ6HjK1Q6Cmtot0Stc-mmJUr3WDYueGshjlNwvVpVXIBni1Ga7jY2LPav8OHT8dxqULlC9J8_14glH0YQFabUbQXAccm0os5ahP-McHQcE6dp0znLOaKB4ynK5BI6wBfdnD__PbTpN6axwH-DH1UNzrDYdw-6xE1MfAtMPG8aDOkcPCy74gpqLlup9zdrDY0sA0gfEW0dfl6MAMM-hvxiC9QMGFg4liK6IHGjCsqeF7vi46Mn--QHLJHbFb9WADO4xN118WcMm=w2128-h1596-no?authuser=0)
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on February 08, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 09, 2021, 02:51:03 AM
Man I know it’s the unpopular music thread but if you peasants had seen queen on YouTube when they played Wembley then they wouldn’t be on this list
That’s a fucken concert, man

Meatloaf too, I think he comes across the wrong way

Bat out of hell is high art. Him and his mate spent years trying to pitch it for the coin and cunts laughed em out of their offices, called em fuckwits and what have you, absolute disrespect but those two
held their nerve. I dunno, I feel like if you ever saw a musical and liked it you’d get where they were coming from

They should make a movie about that album, deadset
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on February 09, 2021, 05:51:01 AM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on February 09, 2021, 06:35:47 AM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.

I spent the Summer of 97 in PB, San Diego and there was a tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa) where I used to eat my Quesadillas. They had a jukebox but the only good songs were Caress Me Down by Sublime and Legalize it by Peter Tosh so I always listened to these songs while enjoying my Quesadillas. Hence this song will always remind me of those carefree days before or after a surf session at Mission Beach in the Summer of 97 in that tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa). I realise that's cheesy but then I was talking Quesadillas so it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 09, 2021, 07:01:30 AM
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I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
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I spent the Summer of 97 in PB, San Diego and there was a tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa) where I used to eat my Quesadillas. They had a jukebox but the only good songs were Caress Me Down by Sublime and Legalize it by Peter Tosh so I always listened to these songs while enjoying my Quesadillas. Hence this song will always remind me of those carefree days before or after a surf session at Mission Beach in the Summer of 97 in that tex mex joint on Garnett (or was it Balboa). I realise that's cheesy but then I was talking Quesadillas so it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

that's pretty awesome
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 09, 2021, 04:56:23 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
[close]

Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


Edit:

Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
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Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.

so i've been listening to nurosis non-stop. i took the time to compare their output in 93 to tools and i think you are right they seemed a bit ahead of them and definitely missed out on a lot of shine. i'm not sure how no one i hung around with at the time was into them. i new one guy who rocked their shirt but i though it was some 70s band. going to dive into some of those other bands you mentioned too. good shit, thanks!

i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw

For the cure this is probably one of my favorite tracks. They are definitely a top 10 band for me. Love that track but have you heard this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXwZ0H1oj0

Actually there are so many underrated lovey songs in their catalog

This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c

100% agree. that song still gets me hyped. This ones pretty epic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFZK58DXfU

And then if your going to talk about Bauhaus you may as well throw out some skinny puppy. Feel they deserved more shine than they got, some great songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ulj3tut3o
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: El Fapinator on February 09, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
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down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.
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I've got a theory about Tool that might be an unpopular opinion just hear me out, So if Pink Floyd was the progenitor of psychodelic music? and they had decent stuff Neurosis is the crusty version of Pink Floyd then to you sir Tool is the Walmart version of Neurosis/Pink Floyd and Baroness is the punker version of Tool. 

. Many band's afterwards have emulated that artsy style of dissidents and trippy music mixed with hard rock/metal and I'm glad for it
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Got me curious. What are these new bands doing this style.

Few notes
- love Pink Floyd so disagree there
- tool shits on baroness for me but I get the comparison
- haven’t jammed neurosis but will


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Fuck neurosis is bad ass, well played. Share some other bands &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#128512;
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What I’m saying and upon reflection of these bands mentioned beforehand they give or take from each band in one or more ways.

Pink Floyd for abstract art psychedelic music  and hedonism very good band from what I’ve heard.

Neurosis for their albums as they had a nonlinear but well worth a listen of side projects that could be listened to in synch with other albums, absolutely love Neurosis.


Now here’s my little nugget about Tool to me
I personally find them overrated. Don't get me wrong, they make fairly good post-hardcore/"alternative metal" with a fairly progressive approach and even bits of experimentalism, but I find that a lot of the fanbase overemphasizes on the latter part in two different ways:

Post-hardcore has pretty much always had plenty of bands thinking outside of the box. Before the genre was highjacked by pop rock/punk acts looking for a tougher image, the definition of the genre was essentially "hardcore punk that has shifted too much from punk to still be part of the genre".
Some of the band's more blatantly "experimental" compositional techniques are lifted straight from what plenty of 20th Century composers did, only with less nuance. Don't get me wrong, the results were generally good, but it isn't a "stroke of genius", just mid-level avant-garde composition.


Basically, I think that people really overstate their uniqueness. There were and are plenty of other bands that are doing stuff that's considerably more "out there", but they are considerably less successful because the average listener gets put off by their sound (as a note: I don't think Tool are intentionally audience pandering)

Baroness, Torche, Kylesa, Black Tusk, and these other bands have taken the best parts of “prog rock” and upped the ante waaay more than Tool ever has.
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really appreciate your perspective. i've listened to kylesa and baroness and will check out the other bands. i'm kind of suprised isis didn't show up on your list. i'm not a huge fan but that one popular album got a few spins from me.

all that said, i think you might be slightly biased against tool due to their popularity and seeing their dick stickers on the back of pickup trucks. for me the fact that they've pushed back against their fame more so than any other band i feel offsets that a good bit. they've got great live shows but good luck finding any pro shot footage. maynard has been in the back ground at live shows for a really long time now and you mostly just see his silhouette. they refused to put their music on streaming platforms up until very recently and have basically just done their own thing for a really long time despite their popularity. that said, i went saw them for the first time in a long time last year and i honestly didn't realize how popular they were and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when the venue turned out to be a sports stadium arena. definitely preferred seeing them live in the early 90s as small venues.

these are some of the tracks they've done which i think are pretty solid.

i think this is one of their better tracks. the breakdown at 7:24 where the beats and bass kind of sound like they are going backwards is one of my favorite things they've done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgviceBzFs

this jam off their new ablum is so good and really show cases danny's drumming which is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

and then going back to their second and most popular album, this song to me is pretty amazing and maybe it's my lack of exposure to bands like nurossis at the time that it came out but it was pretty unique sound to me and all my friends in college and i still feel that it was progressive for it's time and considering that it was released on an album that had so many hits that dominated the airways and MTV makes it more impressive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51fcG3sxvII
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Well I’m hyped they’ve done their thing regardless of what fans wanted. Maynard seems like a put together person where as you said he’s usually in the background while his band rips.

I have and listened to their music time and time again and for me the less I know about a band the better I feel, not that your opinions aren’t valid. I like the idea of music nerdy talk about opposing music.
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so i've been listening to nurosis non-stop. i took the time to compare their output in 93 to tools and i think you are right they seemed a bit ahead of them and definitely missed out on a lot of shine. i'm not sure how no one i hung around with at the time was into them. i new one guy who rocked their shirt but i though it was some 70s band. going to dive into some of those other bands you mentioned too. good shit, thanks!

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i feel like this thread is the kind of place one is encouraged/tempted to speak in superlatives...

...for instance, this might be THE loveliest song of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2aBn-QuPVw
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For the cure this is probably one of my favorite tracks. They are definitely a top 10 band for me. Love that track but have you heard this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxXwZ0H1oj0

Actually there are so many underrated lovey songs in their catalog

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This might ruffle some feathers a bit but I actually prefer this version of a David Bowie cover as opposed to the original.
https://youtu.be/rhJZrRV5YKo
https://youtu.be/3qrOvBuWJ-c
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100% agree. that song still gets me hyped. This ones pretty epic too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRFZK58DXfU

And then if your going to talk about Bauhaus you may as well throw out some skinny puppy. Feel they deserved more shine than they got, some great songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ulj3tut3o
Yeah just keep going they started out as hardcore crust band,

 Pain of Mind,  Through Silver in Blood, Tribes of Neurot and so on. Bewarned this is a good deep rabbithole you're going down. When one listens to a Neurosis album it's not one or two song's it is all the way through.

Bauhaus has also been my go to but I've recently getting in to darkwave and W∆T¢H H@v$3 weird witch house but it's odd to some.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 10, 2021, 03:48:19 AM
i'm pretty excited for this neurosis rabbit hole. i'm checking out souls at zero now. i saw some guy online say it's still one of his favorite albums and it came out in 92 which makes it really interesting to me as a lot of my favorite albums dropped around then so i wanted to check out this one that i apparently missed.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Easy Slider on February 10, 2021, 06:14:44 AM
I went to see Neurosis play in the early 90s in an unfinished Autobahn tunnel in Stuttgart (die Roehre). There were a lot of Crust punks indeed. It was really loud  ;D
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Post by: ChuckRamone on February 10, 2021, 11:19:51 AM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
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Post by: El Fapinator on February 10, 2021, 12:37:26 PM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-Dw
One would also include this a progenitor as a closer comparison
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on February 10, 2021, 12:39:58 PM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.

Sublime got blown up and out with US popular radio, but you're totally right about how they linked genres together. On top of it they were all ugly, fucked up socal scum bag punkers. good shit

Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Sleazy on February 11, 2021, 06:44:43 AM
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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM
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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.
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That was a great soundtrack.

What about this song?

http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2ABH64-Dw
One would also include this a progenitor as a closer comparison

at the time who would have thought that combining PE and thrash metal could have such a disastrous outcome
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
hey Sleazy, yes i had heard "Catch" by the Cure and i do dig it, although i'm not sure about it comparing to "Just Like Heaven"...maybe...you are right though, and there is quite a lot of loveliness in the Cure's catalogue--like these are both "very sparkly" in their own ways:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOlZtpANa0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdURsH1VjHo

i dig the conversation regarding the Bauhaus' cover of "Ziggy Stardust"...not sure i could go so far as to say it beats the original...i don't know though, it is really good...hah, funny enough, it is making me think of something i once heard regarding the AK platform (as in "AK47") of guns (sorry if this analogy loses some of you good people). Jim Fuller is one of the only American manufacturers to really perfect manufacturing AKs and AK variants, and he once said that the AK is used ubiquitously around the world because, it is such an incredible platform, that even when it is made in a really shitty way, it still works...

...that came to mind when thinking about people covering the song "Ziggy Stardust"--a band like Bauhaus could hardly fuck up such a fundamentally incredible song...
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on February 11, 2021, 07:53:46 PM
I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.
I even like the track with Gwen and I fucking hate no doubt so that's really saying something. On paper it looks kinda cheesy but I think they really had their own niche at the time and album really represents that!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 13, 2021, 09:21:49 PM
not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: cucktard on February 14, 2021, 04:00:19 AM
The Specials were basically a cover band
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Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 14, 2021, 05:40:44 AM
The Specials were basically a cover band

this is not untrue...and what a cover band they were...case in point, i love this "Skinhead Symphony," especially when some people are being thugs in the audience and Terry throws his tambourine (of all things) at the guy to get him to stop...how adorable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R4ecjpUn50

nah, but seriously though, i know i put the Dance Craze version of it up on the first page of this thread, but their version of "Concrete Jungle" is actually pretty fucking gnarly. as a young American in the 1980s, its talk of the National Front was the first reason i had to learn about those wanna-be fascist dogs.

"I'm going out tonight
I don't know if I'll be alright
Everyone wants to hurt me
Baby danger in the city

I have to carry a knife
Because there's people threatening my life
I can't dress just the way I want
I'm being chased by the National Front

Concrete jungle, animals are after me
Concrete jungle, it ain't safe on the streets
Concrete jungle, glad I got my mates with me"

fuck it, i'll put it up again--a heavy fucking performance in my humble opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qh63nu1OQ
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on February 24, 2021, 09:10:13 AM
Daft Punk ending things had me going down a rabbit hole. I still stand by my feelings that Discovery is their only great album, Homework is good with flaws, and everything else is kinda whatever...

But I did rewatch the stronger video with Daft Punk and Kanye. I must say this...Anime/Japanese Hypebeast Kanye was the best Kanye by far. He was making some really fun shit during that era.

Not sure if that’s an unpopular opinion but fuck it.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on February 24, 2021, 01:17:43 PM
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I listened to Sublime’s 40 oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years recently, and was surprised how good it sounded.

It’s REALLY good.

Now I’m not jaded from US top 40 radio or Sublime fans, I don’t live in North America anymore, so the album no longer brings up negative associations. So just the music, on its own, links all those different genres really, really well.

And KRS-One will always be a great song.
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I never really took that album out of rotation to be honest, their other stuff maybe, but it was always a great mix.
I even like the track with Gwen and I fucking hate no doubt so that's really saying something. On paper it looks kinda cheesy but I think they really had their own niche at the time and album really represents that!

you talking about Robbin the Hood. Saw Red with Gwen is on that album. It's their grittiest record by far. straight secret tweeker pad status.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on February 24, 2021, 07:57:31 PM
The songs on the spotify sad music playlist aren't sad enough.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on February 24, 2021, 09:15:00 PM
not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.
bowie’s music always feels like he’s trying to be someone else. let’s dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whatever
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 25, 2021, 02:19:41 AM
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not really an unpopular opinion - but just chiming in on bauhaus doing great covers - their version of telegram sam is incredible and i wouldn't have ever really expected anyone to do t-rex better than t-rex. repeating an unpopular opinion i've already made in here - honestly david bowie is kind of boring {he's not bad - but he falls flat for me} and it's not hard to imagine people doing his songs better than he did.
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bowie’s music always feels like he’s trying to be someone else. let’s dance is the only thing that feels uniquely his, and it bangs, but yeah every other bowie moment feels like someone else could do it better bc someone did it better before him and he just made it weird or androgynous or whatever

yeah he's certainly not the god of uniquity to me.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: bruhfart on February 25, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
U2 is the most overrated band ever
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on February 25, 2021, 03:45:22 PM
U2 is the most overrated band ever

Actually they’re so overrated that the backlash kinda makes them underrated. Like 50 cent or Diplo.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 26, 2021, 01:49:06 AM
Maybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer
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Post by: bruhfart on February 26, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
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U2 is the most overrated band ever
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Actually they’re so overrated that the backlash kinda makes them underrated. Like 50 cent or Diplo.
people think that diplo makes good music?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Freelancevagrant on February 26, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
This one is tough for me because of how much I love discharge, but the buzzcocks wrote the first dbeat song.

https://youtu.be/hHfG52BRRBY
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 26, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
Maybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer

Like a prayer is off the hook regardless of rack.

The little bit of guitar at the start before the closing door sound is Prince, the 12 inch version has a Prince solo in it too. Other promo versions and dub mixes feature sneaky little uncredited Prince samples too. Even with out Prince, it's still great. Did it get used in an RDS video somewhere along the line?

Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles, and while I'm thinking about things Australians don't like to hear you say {not sure if the rest of the world even knows this ghastly song} but I would love to never hear Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool again - but I don't like my chances. Sorry if that bums you out Matty C.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Frank on February 26, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
!!!
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on February 27, 2021, 12:26:56 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!

unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion. 
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 27, 2021, 02:25:58 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.

Are you Australian?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on February 27, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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!!!
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.
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Are you Australian?

Nah man, Im Scottish & everyone i know seems to fuckin hate the Eagles.. i kinda like em but i am definitely in the minority up here
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: urbneathme on February 27, 2021, 02:23:02 PM
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Maybe it’s all this rack but I’m backing like a prayer
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Like a prayer is off the hook regardless of rack.

The little bit of guitar at the start before the closing door sound is Prince, the 12 inch version has a Prince solo in it too. Other promo versions and dub mixes feature sneaky little uncredited Prince samples too. Even with out Prince, it's still great. Did it get used in an RDS video somewhere along the line?

Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles, and while I'm thinking about things Australians don't like to hear you say {not sure if the rest of the world even knows this ghastly song} but I would love to never hear Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool again - but I don't like my chances. Sorry if that bums you out Matty C.
the story about steely dan making him record a guitar solo for like 10 straight hours largely because they were jealous of him is so fucking funny that it makes him, as a public figure, worth it
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: and_so_uh_yeah on February 27, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on February 27, 2021, 05:43:40 PM
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Oh, and here's one that no one in Australia seems to like to hear; Dire Straits are terrible, Mark Knopfler is boring and Sultans of Swing is just a top ten shit song. Also, fuck the Eagles
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unless everyone you know is over 50 this is not an unpopular opinion.
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Are you Australian?
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Nah man, Im Scottish & everyone i know seems to fuckin hate the Eagles.. i kinda like em but i am definitely in the minority up here

Well, I wish I could tap into my Scottish ancestry and not be Australian just to remove the Eagles from my life. Everyone here seems to love them {well under 50 year olds too!}
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: matty_c on February 27, 2021, 07:53:17 PM
Haha nah that song sucks mate, I can’t stand the eagles either my dad used to blast them and travelling wilburys on road trips but he only had like the one tape of each band, hell of a thing to do in a car

I didn’t know that about the Madonna song, that’s sick. Prince has some good ones for sure
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Burt Ward on February 27, 2021, 10:49:14 PM
Well, I wish I could tap into my Scottish ancestry and not be Australian just to remove the Eagles from my life. Everyone here seems to love them {well under 50 year olds too!}

I'm Australian, and have not noticed this at all. The Eagles are fucken shit.
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Post by: Prince on February 27, 2021, 11:09:14 PM
Well then, I hope I'm wrong. Maybe it's a regional thing - maybe I need to leave the north coast.
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Post by: brycickle on February 27, 2021, 11:34:24 PM


anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?


This is a very weird question.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: and_so_uh_yeah on February 28, 2021, 12:34:57 AM
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anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?


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lol those mayhem dudes were fucked. obsessed with death and all. the suicide of dead and euronymous taking his picture. then varg murdering euronymous. a fucked situation. the music is interesting. i dunno why i threw sleep in between.
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Deputy Wendell on February 28, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
U2 is the most overrated band ever

oi! i not only like this song, but i actually like this particular performance of this song...doves and everything...shit makes me want to run a lap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftmtlPxS1c

ps: Vinz
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: lazer69 on February 28, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Catchy. This is the first time i've heard another song from them besides the one that goes like

"I believe in olympic cola..
 Just liisgten to the river from the harr
.... . . . ....... . . .. ........
.... . . .. ... ... .....

I believe in olyyympiic cooOOlaaaaAAA"
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: IusedToSkateMore on February 28, 2021, 06:04:23 PM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney

Rancid 2000 is good and i can still play most of the album, but Rancid 1993 and AOCTW are what I like. Life Won't Wait in some ways may be the best.

The Clash is phenomenal. Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros killed it as did BAD

Dropkick Murphys were a great Boston band with Mike McClogan on vox. Down hill fast after he left as far as I was concerned. Wtf was up with that military album on gangs all here?
Title: Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
Post by: Prince on March 01, 2021, 01:51:29 AM
Rancid has some awesome songs. Their lyrics and musicianship are excellent. Rancid 2000 is probably their best album. "Let Me go" "Black Derby Jacket" "Lock, Step, & Gone" "Quite Alright" "Brad Logan" "1998" "Bloodclot" "Black and Blue" excellent songs.

Grimple is worth a listen.

The Clash is great as well. "Complete Control" "Janie Jones" "Straight to Hell" "Lost in the Supermarket" "Safe European Home" "Clampdown" all great.

I like the Sex Pistols because they were poor and barely knew how to play when they started. Johnny Rotten is a character with some great quotes. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" He was hilarious in Sorry.

Kanye's "Ghost Town parts 1 and 2" is a good song. It's about Kanye's mental health struggles. that being said, much of his music does nothing for me. mumble rap sucks. I'm going to listen to Bone Thugs, Andre Nickatina, or MF Doom (RIP) instead.

Anyone like Dropkick Murphys, Bouncing Souls?

Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI all boring.

as far as 70's and 80's post/punk goes, Rudimentary Peni, The Adverts, Husker Du, Blitz, Wire, Subhumans, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure, Gang of Four all fire.

anyone like Burzum? Sleep? Mayhem (those dudes were fucked)?

guilty pleasure Chumbawamba Tubthumper album.

Also like Neutral Milk Hotel, Fleet Foxes (father john misty is lame af)

Velvet Underground all albums, excellent.

but this is just like my opinion man.

ps: Free Britney

I would agree that D.R.I are boring - i would agree that suicidal and slayer both became very, very, very boring, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a top ten all-time album for me - Suicidal in perfect form. Seasons In The Abyss would also be a top ten all-time album for me.