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2021 is the year I get better at transition, or so I have told myself. If anyone else is in the same boat, let's put all that crap here and see if we can't help each other out.
I'll go first: I can't do anything backside that doesn't come down to a carve, carve grind or slash grind. I always have my upper body over the transition and can't seem to move my weight fully on top the coping, and it's especially bad on flat walls. I really want to do a stand up bs 50-50 and get those bs 5-0s that are angled toward the deck and just zip right along the coping while locked in on the heelside wheel.
Anyone got any hints or tips or am I doomed to stay a "frontside guy"?
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You need to work on throwing your weight onto the platform to get to those stand up 50-50s
Probably easiest to learn BS axle stalls first from straight on to the coping. Aim to get your weight into the deck as your back truck hits if that makes sense. It’s quite a safe feeling thing to try as it’s easy to step off onto the deck of you muck it up. Does that make sense.
Sure someone else will explain it better
From there, 50-50s are just carving into them.
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You need to work on throwing your weight onto the platform to get to those stand up 50-50s
Probably easiest to learn BS axle stalls first from straight on to the coping. Aim to get your weight into the deck as your back truck hits if that makes sense. It’s quite a safe feeling thing to try as it’s easy to step off onto the deck of you muck it up. Does that make sense.
Sure someone else will explain it better
From there, 50-50s are just carving into them.
Makes perfect sense. I have no idea why it's so hard for me, but it just is. Funny thing is I can stand up on a backside grind all the way around a corner by carving into it, but there's something about a flat wall that really fucks with me. Maybe I should try sort of rolling out onto the deck with a backside kickturn just to get the feel for it?
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Yeah that’s a good place to start. Then bs axle stalls
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It totally worked, thanks man. Once I got comfortable doing a backside roll out or whatever, I just aimed my trucks at the coping and it started coming together. By the end of the session today I had gotten a handful of pretty solid backside 50s. Really looking forward to trying it at a park with better coping, since the one I was skating at has really small (in diameter) steel coping set so deep that my front wheel would sometimes bind against the concrete instead of rolling along the coping. Embarrassing how easy it was to figure out once you gave me that insight, but that's how it goes, I guess. If a pal reads this, I hope they gnar you for the help.
I'm assuming a 5-0 is like a 50-50, but you sort of manual into it and stand up on your heel, so I'm gonna try that once I feel like I've got 50-50s on lock.
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True story, watching that part in Krooked Kronichles where Drehobl and Gonz are kinda playfully arguing about how to bs pivot was a game changer for me. They unlocked other doors in the bs realm.
I actually learned these before bs axle stalls somehow, and definitely before any sort of slash or grind, because I didn't feel like I had enough control to go for them safely. When I was confident in my bs pivot (really getting up on top, sitting on the heelside wheel, slowly pivoting and coming back in under control), I worked toward taking more of an angle to push them into backside 5-0s, learning good truck placement to lock in to 50's, and then bs smith grinds. Now I need to learn the heel-toe magic required for pivot fakies!
Never done a bs feeble stall (on purpose) but it seems like a lot of kids do them, putting your wheels up on the deck offers more control.
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I am curious so before anyone asks or says anything else, I wanted to check which way you are thinking is backside and frontside on transition.
The side you are facing towards the transition or coping as you come up the wall and turn is how you call it, so if your back is to the coping as you turn, it is backside. If you are turning with your front towards the wall or coping it is frontside.
This is the most common thing I have had to explain when doing skate lessons for the last twenty years, so my apologies if you guys had it right, and I killed the video links for you too.
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I am curious so before anyone asks or says anything else, I wanted to check which way you are thinking is backside and frontside on transition.
The side you are facing towards the transition or coping as you come up the wall and turn is how you call it, so if your back is to the coping as you turn, it is backside. If you are turning with your front towards the wall or coping it is frontside.
This is the most common thing I have had to explain when doing skate lessons for the last twenty years, so my apologies if you guys had it right, and enjoy the videos.
I could post any number of instructional videos, but Ben explains things pretty well and I think people generally like his videos, even if he is way more of a street skater than a transition skater, and he can still skate everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjLVOEdHH-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKXMaBUYCTk
Let me just reassure you that my terminology is correct. I have much more trouble on tricks where my back is towards the coping, even though they are less scary. After getting frustrated with backside tricks, I started trying frontside and found that I progressed much faster there, even though it’s a little scarier. I started skating in 1998 and generally don’t fuck up stuff like confusing frontside and backside. No harm done by asking either way.
I know about Ben DeGros, and he’s great, but this thread is more about making progress and maybe sharing about it, and less about posting links.
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I have much more trouble on tricks where my back is towards the coping, even though they are less scary. After getting frustrated with backside tricks, I started trying frontside and found that I progressed much faster there, even though it’s a little scarier.
Sweet! I edited the first post and killed the videos, but the second one about bs fifties is good.
Also working out the speed and angle to get just on, as you said on the heel corner of the back foot, but staying lower and lighter (relaxing) as you turn so your body doesn't fall into the transition, but you don't want to be going too fast and stepping off the back of it either. A mellow halfpipe with a good width is really good for this too, so you know how much speed to get when pumping from the first wall, so besides just a stall, you can get some longer grinds too, as already said by coming up on more of an angle on to the coping, which is good to hear.
I built a small halfpipe in my shed and skate that more than anything else, so the older I get (and the harder it is to do much else) the more I skate transition and just enjoy rolling around, but I have always had more of a thing for ramps more so than street / stairs or rails.
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2021 is the year I get better at transition, or so I have told myself. If anyone else is in the same boat, let's put all that crap here and see if we can't help each other out.
I'll go first: I can't do anything backside that doesn't come down to a carve, carve grind or slash grind. I always have my upper body over the transition and can't seem to move my weight fully on top the coping, and it's especially bad on flat walls. I really want to do a stand up bs 50-50 and get those bs 5-0s that are angled toward the deck and just zip right along the coping while locked in on the heelside wheel.
Anyone got any hints or tips or am I doomed to stay a "frontside guy"?
I have a friend who was in the same situation as you, could do bs grinds/slashes/etc but they were never really locked in on top of the coping, more still in the transition. I ended up just taking him to the local mini and got him to go back and forth for an hour doing 5050 stalls properly, locked in on top of the coping. Once he was consistent and comfy with those, just started changing the angle he came up on and after a few sessions he was fine with them. I'm a big fan of 5050s and holding them/through corners etc, I'd say most important is really just getting the lock in and knowing where to keep your weight, once you get that down you're chilling on em.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-AiZwfFzgP/
Still gutted I never got to go back there and get both corners in one shot.
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I have a friend who was in the same situation as you, could do bs grinds/slashes/etc but they were never really locked in on top of the coping, more still in the transition. I ended up just taking him to the local mini and got him to go back and forth for an hour doing 5050 stalls properly, locked in on top of the coping. Once he was consistent and comfy with those, just started changing the angle he came up on and after a few sessions he was fine with them. I'm a big fan of 5050s and holding them/through corners etc, I'd say most important is really just getting the lock in and knowing where to keep your weight, once you get that down you're chilling on em.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-AiZwfFzgP/
Still gutted I never got to go back there and get both corners in one shot.
Yeah, they're starting to make more sense to me after I tried some of what you're suggesting for a bit yesterday. Goddamn, that bowl looks so fun! I always loved how it looks to do a nice long grind and whip around the corner, definitely a big goal for me.
Also working out the speed and angle to get just on, as you said on the heel corner of the back foot, but staying lower and lighter (relaxing) as you turn so your body doesn't fall into the transition, but you don't want to be going too fast and stepping off the back of it either. A mellow halfpipe with a good width is really good for this too, so you know how much speed to get when pumping from the first wall, so besides just a stall, you can get some longer grinds too, as already said by coming up on more of an angle on to the coping, which is good to hear.
I built a small halfpipe in my shed and skate that more than anything else, so the older I get (and the harder it is to do much else) the more I skate transition and just enjoy rolling around, but I have always had more of a thing for ramps more so than street / stairs or rails.
"Low and light" is very good insight, definitely how I would describe what it felt like when I think back on the ones I got that felt the best. I'm also rapidly approaching "fucking old" so it's a mad dash to get as comfortable on transition as I can before my knees and ankles start giving me any more trouble.
I'm jealous of anyone with their own ramp, but I'm going to try to make it happen for myself in the future. My career is likely to pick up over the next few years which will, on the one hand, leave me with less time to just head to the park when it's nice out, but it might also give me some extra dough to build some stuff at my place so I can grab a session most days anyway.
Next I need to start trying fs tailsides since I'm at the point where a fs 5-0 is honestly easier and more consistent for me than a 50-50. Anyone got tips for that?
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A couple of in between could be front five grind to tail, which is a good one to get even just a front five to stop, stay on top of it and turn it to tail slowly to get the feel for it.
Also getting frontside ollies to five or onto the platform are good ways to lead up to front tails, then just going faster, carve and quick but small pop to jam it into tail and they usually slide pretty well.
I saw another thread on fs tails and even though it is about doing them on ledges, some of it translates to what you do on a ramp as well.
If there is a moderate bank with a lip, you can perfect those sort of things on that edge, not so much the slide but just getting the body turn for tails or deckers / disasters too.
It works for backside tricks too, sitting bs five or even five to tail or back tail, but just getting ollie to five first.
Sorry I am really keen on mini ramp lip tricks and love helping people with all the different variations which in turn actually lead to other tricks too.
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I have shitty technique going backside, too, but you can eke out an existence of back smith, backside disaster and 5-0 fakes
Frontsides fucken way cooler anyway
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A couple of in between could be front five grind to tail, which is a good one to get even just a front five to stop, stay on top of it and turn it to tail slowly to get the feel for it.
Also getting frontside ollies to five or onto the platform are good ways to lead up to front tails, then just going faster, carve and quick but small pop to jam it into tail and they usually slide pretty well.
I saw another thread on fs tails and even though it is about doing them on ledges, some of it translates to what you do on a ramp as well.
If there is a moderate bank with a lip, you can perfect those sort of things on that edge, not so much the slide but just getting the body turn for tails or deckers / disasters too.
It works for backside tricks too, sitting bs five or even five to tail or back tail, but just getting ollie to five first.
Sorry I am really keen on mini ramp lip tricks and love helping people with all the different variations which in turn actually lead to other tricks too.
No need to apologize, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. I fucked up my ankle a couple weeks ago, so I've been sticking to basics that are less likely to make me need to run out of anything, but I'm feeling better today. Gonna be sunny and in the 40s, so carpe diem. I've got front tails on ledges pretty good; they're one of my favorite ledge tricks, along with fs smith grinds, which is a big reason why I want to take them both to transition. What trips me out is the timing of the tail scrape/turn to get the tail onto the coping. I always seem to lose my feet when I try it on a quarter. Banks just could be a better starting point, and I might try flying out of a quarter frontside just for the hell of it.
I have shitty technique going backside, too, but you can eke out an existence of back smith, backside disaster and 5-0 fakes
Frontsides fucken way cooler anyway
Shit, I'd love a bs disaster and bs smith. I've got this dumbshit idea that I should be somehow well-rounded as a skater even though I'm hauling up on 40 here in a few years, so that's what this is all about. The disillusionment will set in sooner or later, I bet.
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I've got front tails on ledges pretty good; they're one of my favorite ledge tricks, along with fs smith grinds, which is a big reason why I want to take them both to transition.
I'll trade you. I got FS TSs and Smiths on transition but would love to get them on ledges...
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I'm personally not a fan of the front 5 O to tail... it can be ok if it results in a long screeching tail slide but its really not too hard to go straight from 5 O to reentry. Now if its very quick 5 O that goes to tail slide quickly that looks ok.
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I've skated miniramps for like 30 years plus and I never used an axel stall or 50-50 as a set up until the last couple years so I know what you mean....in the ramp....never on top....id 50-50 fakie before I'd axel stall.
What helped me was 1) just riding in at an angle and rolling onto the deck, then dialling it into an axel stall 2) leaning back so your head and shoulders are more towards your back truck because if getting in wasn't bad enough, my entry was even sketchier.....
To me there are three miniramp skaters: 50-50'ers', Rock fakie tail tappers, and frontside guy.....
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A couple of in between could be front five grind to tail, which is a good one to get even just a front five to stop, stay on top of it and turn it to tail slowly to get the feel for it.
Also getting frontside ollies to five or onto the platform are good ways to lead up to front tails, then just going faster, carve and quick but small pop to jam it into tail and they usually slide pretty well.
I saw another thread on fs tails and even though it is about doing them on ledges, some of it translates to what you do on a ramp as well.
If there is a moderate bank with a lip, you can perfect those sort of things on that edge, not so much the slide but just getting the body turn for tails or deckers / disasters too.
It works for backside tricks too, sitting bs five or even five to tail or back tail, but just getting ollie to five first.
Sorry I am really keen on mini ramp lip tricks and love helping people with all the different variations which in turn actually lead to other tricks too.
No need to apologize, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. I fucked up my ankle a couple weeks ago, so I've been sticking to basics that are less likely to make me need to run out of anything, but I'm feeling better today. Gonna be sunny and in the 40s, so carpe diem. I've got front tails on ledges pretty good; they're one of my favorite ledge tricks, along with fs smith grinds, which is a big reason why I want to take them both to transition. What trips me out is the timing of the tail scrape/turn to get the tail onto the coping. I always seem to lose my feet when I try it on a quarter. Banks just could be a better starting point, and I might try flying out of a quarter frontside just for the hell of it.
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I have shitty technique going backside, too, but you can eke out an existence of back smith, backside disaster and 5-0 fakes
Frontsides fucken way cooler anyway
Shit, I'd love a bs disaster and bs smith. I've got this dumbshit idea that I should be somehow well-rounded as a skater even though I'm hauling up on 40 here in a few years, so that's what this is all about. The disillusionment will set in sooner or later, I bet.
Just mess around on a small quarter but if you can backside 5050 you can back smith it’s pretty much the same coming up I think I have my back foot toes a bit over and just let the back truck get on and that wheel near your toes will be the lock on the coping just let the front dip it will want to anyway and try to have your shoulders like in line with the coping it will grind longer that way I mean you turn your hips a bit coming up backside but try have the shoulders the other way
Disaster is kinda same coming up maybe toes a little more over to help scoop it round I can’t remember I never really thought about it but it’s all like this scoop coming up to the coping you push down quite a bit on your back foot like more so then the back smith and turn your shoulders all the way cause you wanna get the back truck over the coping think about having your back shoulder in line with back foot
You kinda lean forward into the ramp at this time to take pressure of back foot it’s kinda like a powerslide
can’t fuck it up hey cause once you’re around the front truck will catch and it sorta jams there with your back wheels on the deck then just lean forward and push down with front foot and pressure of on the back foot
I don’t really like 5-0 tail either, I haven’t done this in a while but they’re not difficult and I like them, 5-0 to disaster but just stalled, before I could straight bs disaster I would do them this way
And it feels good frontside too
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Just mess around on a small quarter but if you can backside 5050 you can back smith it’s pretty much the same coming up I think I have my back foot toes a bit over and just let the back truck get on and that wheel near your toes will be the lock on the coping just let the front dip it will want to anyway and try to have your shoulders like in line with the coping it will grind longer that way I mean you turn your hips a bit coming up backside but try have the shoulders the other way
Disaster is kinda same coming up maybe toes a little more over to help scoop it round I can’t remember I never really thought about it but it’s all like this scoop coming up to the coping you push down quite a bit on your back foot like more so then the back smith and turn your shoulders all the way cause you wanna get the back truck over the coping think about having your back shoulder in line with back foot
You kinda lean forward into the ramp at this time to take pressure of back foot it’s kinda like a powerslide
can’t fuck it up hey cause once you’re around the front truck will catch and it sorta jams there with your back wheels on the deck then just lean forward and push down with front foot and pressure of on the back foot
I don’t really like 5-0 tail either, I haven’t done this in a while but they’re not difficult and I like them, 5-0 to disaster but just stalled, before I could straight bs disaster I would do them this way
And it feels good frontside too
Yes, yes and yes.
We used to try any and all variations when we were growing up, not to mention when some people are playing games of skate on transition, you can pretty much get all letters if they don't know how to do certain tricks, so just do everything to tail, or to decker, or decker to smith combos.
Even if some tricks look terrible, it was also a good go to, but so many tricks can be learned on a gutter and taken to ramp or started on a small bank too.
I would often get kids to do back 180 cess on flat and say do that on the ramp, and more often than not, they got it fairly easily. Anything with less big sticking out coping and the board would just go straight over to decker very easily.
So much more I could keep going on but that is probably enough for now.
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Something that hasn’t been touched on really, particularly in regards to disasters and tailslides, is tension in your shoulders. A back disaster, for example, revert early with just a bit more scoop than you would if you were turning around on flat, not quite as much as a back 180, but more than just a slide. When you scoop, you want to aim for smack in the middle of the board on coping and turn your shoulders hard in the opposite of the direction you’re scooping. Otherwise you’re going to over rotate. You can get away with it on mellow ramps since your wheels will catch on the transition, but it won’t scale up to steeper ramps.
The same holds true for tailslides. Little pop, scoop like you’re doing a lazy 180, and push against the coping with your back foot, but you gotta turn the shoulders to create tension or you’ll over rotate. If you come with speed and at enough of an angle, you should just be focusing on holding the body position and letting your momentum force the slide. The motions for tails, disasters, and lips, should all feel way more exaggerated and forceful than a smith grind or 5-0. In my experience, the best trick for picking up on the feeling of twisting opposite directions is a rock n roll. Backside rock n roll has the same hip/shoulder tension as a front tailslides, same with front rocks and back tails. The main difference is where you distribute your weight. Rock n rolls and board slides are all back foot. Tail slides your weight should be in the ramp more towards the front foot.
Smiths honestly aren’t even worth trying unless the ramp is steep enough to properly dip without catching the front wheels. It’s just a funky slash at that point. Mellow transition can breed a lot of bad habits that make it hard to scale your tricks up to taller and steeper transition. If all you have is mellow ramps, just fake it till you make and try to imagine you’re on a vert ramp. Lean in extra and exaggerate your posture. After all, most of them were invented on vert ramps.
For all these tricks, try to feel out the stall first too. It feels safer and will help you understand how the trick is meant to be held, as well as the feeling of re-entry. Then when you try to grind or slide you can approach more confidently.
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True words Bike Mike. Nothing worse than trying to lock into a smith on mellow tranny. One of the first things I do when I hit a new transition is the old smithgrind test. I learned on very mellow transitions... not sure why but they like it that way in the UK. But since then I have acquired a taste for small tight stuff. Over 6' high I like mellow transition, under I like tight...
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Under 6’ and tight is my ideal too. Keep me low to the ground but let it feel like vert and I’m happy
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Any transition heads have a tip on skating a full pipe? Its about a 12-15 foot diameter pipe. My issue is there’s no flat so it fucks me up and then when I actually can get enough of a rhythm to pump I find myself getting disoriented on where exactly I’m at in the pipe. It’s kind of a drive for me to get there so I’m just curious if there’s any tips to help with the no flat and which fucks my rhythm and balance kinda and the disoriented feeling before driving out to try again.
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Any transition heads have a tip on skating a full pipe? Its about a 12-15 foot diameter pipe. My issue is there’s no flat so it fucks me up and then when I actually can get enough of a rhythm to pump I find myself getting disoriented on where exactly I’m at in the pipe. It’s kind of a drive for me to get there so I’m just curious if there’s any tips to help with the no flat and which fucks my rhythm and balance kinda and the disoriented feeling before driving out to try again.
If it is longer so you can carve across it rather than going straight up and down. That helps to get used to no flat and makes the walls more mellow, so go up and then down the pipe, but generally any decent size full pipe (but not huge) like this one has about 6 to 7 ft transitions is going to be tight no matter what, so just compress a lot more and turn quickly. We used to end up with too much speed very quickly when skating a couple of full pipes, but they were metal too, so it is different on concrete, especially older crusty concrete.
Have you ever skated bigger ramps, not necessarily vert ramps as they are almost mellow by comparison, but when you get higher on the walls, you have to stay a lot lower to keep balance. Sort of like pool skating, but that is a different story.
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
That just comes down to familiarity I'm afraid. Just ease into it with some kick turns, gradually pump a little harder each wall and ease into some slashers. Do it a lot. Practicing on a half pipe might help before taking it to bowls and pools might help. Although in bowls and pools, you can take a wider line and carve into grinds, which can feel a little safer.
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Any transition heads have a tip on skating a full pipe? Its about a 12-15 foot diameter pipe. My issue is there’s no flat so it fucks me up and then when I actually can get enough of a rhythm to pump I find myself getting disoriented on where exactly I’m at in the pipe. It’s kind of a drive for me to get there so I’m just curious if there’s any tips to help with the no flat and which fucks my rhythm and balance kinda and the disoriented feeling before driving out to try again.
Pumping on big stuff is more about intentionally doing less for me. Otherwise I burn my quads out quick and get sloppy by trying too hard to make speed. Peter Hewitt hardly bends his legs and boosts in a full pipe
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
It’s a touch faster than rock to fakie speed.
Like others said, you have to be comfortable and familiar with coping.
One thing I need to learn at 46 now that all the 8-year old kids at my local can do it is bs pivot to fakie.
I’ve heard this is easier on narrow trucks, snd I usually ride 9-inch trucks.
I also get that it’s a heel-toe movement, but I have a tough time getting into the ‘counter rotated’ position on the coping (lower body in line with coping, upper body perpendicular)
Any hints?
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
It’s a touch faster than rock to fakie speed.
Like others said, you have to be comfortable and familiar with coping.
One thing I need to learn at 46 now that all the 8-year old kids at my local can do it is bs pivot to fakie.
I’ve heard this is easier on narrow trucks, snd I usually ride 9-inch trucks.
I also get that it’s a heel-toe movement, but I have a tough time getting into the ‘counter rotated’ position on the coping (lower body in line with coping, upper body perpendicular)
Any hints?
I did a pivot to fakie on one of those Krooked Beemer boards, haha.
Can you feeble to fakie? Because that's much the gateway trick to pivot-fakies. The common error I see with a lot of folks trying either trick is they get really on top of the coping or just slash it with no board control, and that makes it a lot harder to come back in without getting locked or hung up. The "heel-toe" motion is key because when you're locking your truck, you wanna pinch it heelside so that you're stalling successfully without just sitting on top. Bringing it back in fakie is obviously the scary part, but if you're comfortable enough navigating the ramp you'll be fine. Idk what you call it, but you know that motion when you're warming up on the ramp and you pump up straight, lift your truck without doing a rock, then just roll back in fakie? It kinda feels like that. Not as dramatic as doing a fakie manny back down, but it's like a trust fall.
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Pivot fakie is the sexiest trick to me. But they are terrifying at the same time.
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
It’s a touch faster than rock to fakie speed.
Like others said, you have to be comfortable and familiar with coping.
One thing I need to learn at 46 now that all the 8-year old kids at my local can do it is bs pivot to fakie.
I’ve heard this is easier on narrow trucks, snd I usually ride 9-inch trucks.
I also get that it’s a heel-toe movement, but I have a tough time getting into the ‘counter rotated’ position on the coping (lower body in line with coping, upper body perpendicular)
Any hints?
I did a pivot to fakie on one of those Krooked Beemer boards, haha.
Can you feeble to fakie? Because that's much the gateway trick to pivot-fakies. The common error I see with a lot of folks trying either trick is they get really on top of the coping or just slash it with no board control, and that makes it a lot harder to come back in without getting locked or hung up. The "heel-toe" motion is key because when you're locking your truck, you wanna pinch it heelside so that you're stalling successfully without just sitting on top. Bringing it back in fakie is obviously the scary part, but if you're comfortable enough navigating the ramp you'll be fine. Idk what you call it, but you know that motion when you're warming up on the ramp and you pump up straight, lift your truck without doing a rock, then just roll back in fakie? It kinda feels like that. Not as dramatic as doing a fakie manny back down, but it's like a trust fall.
Thank you.
I did a 50-50 stall to pivot-fakie once years ago, but feeble is a great idea. Keeps your body from being too far in top and too much inside the ramp.
I’ll give it a go
Have a gnar!
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
It’s a touch faster than rock to fakie speed.
Like others said, you have to be comfortable and familiar with coping.
One thing I need to learn at 46 now that all the 8-year old kids at my local can do it is bs pivot to fakie.
I’ve heard this is easier on narrow trucks, snd I usually ride 9-inch trucks.
I also get that it’s a heel-toe movement, but I have a tough time getting into the ‘counter rotated’ position on the coping (lower body in line with coping, upper body perpendicular)
Any hints?
I did a pivot to fakie on one of those Krooked Beemer boards, haha.
Can you feeble to fakie? Because that's much the gateway trick to pivot-fakies. The common error I see with a lot of folks trying either trick is they get really on top of the coping or just slash it with no board control, and that makes it a lot harder to come back in without getting locked or hung up. The "heel-toe" motion is key because when you're locking your truck, you wanna pinch it heelside so that you're stalling successfully without just sitting on top. Bringing it back in fakie is obviously the scary part, but if you're comfortable enough navigating the ramp you'll be fine. Idk what you call it, but you know that motion when you're warming up on the ramp and you pump up straight, lift your truck without doing a rock, then just roll back in fakie? It kinda feels like that. Not as dramatic as doing a fakie manny back down, but it's like a trust fall.
Thank you.
I did a 50-50 stall to pivot-fakie once years ago, but feeble is a great idea. Keeps your body from being too far in top and too much inside the ramp.
I’ll give it a go
Have a gnar!
If you did axle to fakie then you've definitely got this. The motions are quite similar even if it seems scarier.
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...those bs 5-0s that are angled toward the deck and just zip right along the coping while locked in on the heelside wheel.
Hell yeah, these are on my list for sure. Look so fun...
Great thread. Thanks for the Dan Drehobl reminder too.
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
It’s a touch faster than rock to fakie speed.
Like others said, you have to be comfortable and familiar with coping.
One thing I need to learn at 46 now that all the 8-year old kids at my local can do it is bs pivot to fakie.
I’ve heard this is easier on narrow trucks, snd I usually ride 9-inch trucks.
I also get that it’s a heel-toe movement, but I have a tough time getting into the ‘counter rotated’ position on the coping (lower body in line with coping, upper body perpendicular)
Any hints?
Firstly I am not a "bragging" type of person, and the only reason I am posting this is to help you guys here, but I was so totally stoked on just getting that motion so cleanly on almost the smallest thing ever that I had to post it however many years ago that was, but I always refer to it to help people learn pivot to fakie type tricks, or anything you need to turn onto and turn back in to fakie, so pivot, fifty or even smith right back in, which some people just have so easily.
The irony is nowdays I am almost never balanced, so they never work how I need them to on normal ramps (and I just slide them in) but I still go to mellow banks and super mellow transitions, where there is no chance of hanging up even if the front wheels touch down first before clearing the edge and do them correctly, which anyone else can also learn too.
So this is what I would concentrate on doing, without even thinking about an edge or on coping, do them on a mellow bank or driveway or something that you can get the balance, so when you go up and turn 90 degrees, sit on your heel on the tail of the board, keeping all your weight over the back truck. As you start to get used to this position, keep your shoulders straight in line with how you rolled up, so don't turn them to sit over your board, but also stay lower than you might usually be on a normal pivot of fifty stall.
As you go to take it back in, the weight should be more on your back toes but not totally pushed down as you don't want the tail to scrape on the way down, but it is that gentle motion that you can use to put the board back on the face, either totally in rock or partly in rock before you roll back down fakie.
When you start to get more balanced on top of it, you can hold the board up for longer (like a fakie manual for a second) to roll the board back down the face of whatever it is you are doing it on. The stupid thing about this trick though is the more mellow the face, the harder it is to get it back in as you have to hold it up for longer, but by learning it on something super mellow and easy to not hang up, you can get the hang of exactly where you need your shoulders, your feet, your board and all the rest.
Keeping all your weight over the back foot is key though. As soon as your weight goes even slightly towards the middle or front foot, it is usually game over.
I can post some other clips of actually learning them on banks and things too, but I think you probably have enough info for now to get them going. So many people I know have learned the balance on that small bank / quarter and then taken them to other taller things, one guy even taking them to the biggest ramp before the indoor park closed, which was awesome to see.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqAEBsQhJig/
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...those bs 5-0s that are angled toward the deck and just zip right along the coping while locked in on the heelside wheel.
Hell yeah, these are on my list for sure. Look so fun...
Great thread. Thanks for the Dan Drehobl reminder too.
I am such a big fan of almost everything Dan Drehobl does, including the ability to skate anything - especially places that are just too tight or crazy for most people and still do things like pivot to fakies and other stuff on.
Keep thinking there was a Dan Drehobl thread with some good footage, but it might be somewhere that doesn't come up with the search option.
Krooked Kronicles was awesome, but any of his stuff is so good to watch.
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Why does my back foot come off any time I try and front disaster? Am I popping too late? Not going fast enough? I can fs 180 on flat and do little fs 180's on transitions, but as soon as i wanna try disaster everything turns to shit.
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Why does my back foot come off any time I try and front disaster? Am I popping too late? Not going fast enough? I can fs 180 on flat and do little fs 180's on transitions, but as soon as i wanna try disaster everything turns to shit.
My confidence is shot on bigger transition and I always end up doing that nowdays with frontside disasters, but maybe try them on really mellow tops of banks or smaller transition first, even come up more on an angle if needed.
The main thing is in the turn of your body too - roll up compressed with enough speed like you are going to roll out on the platform, depending on the ramp or your desire to get the board round vs getting a decent ollie, you can either just lift a little more as you turn or pop as high as you can, but turn shoulders then turn board and make sure the back foot gets around to where the board is, but not putting all your weight on your back leg, as you should be more over your front foot when you land.
One thing that can also help to lead up to doing disasters is to use the front foot to turn the board round to decker, like a half cab rock to fakie only the other way. This in itself might take a bit of getting used to, but if you learn them on flat, then on bank edges, then on transition, then you have two tricks and more combos.
I can post a video of that process if needed too, but let me know if that all makes sense first.
The mellow small transition or even average top of a bank is always the best go to for many things like this, even something like a concrete edge to grass / other surface like a driveway to get the ollie round and the body landing how you need to on the lip of a ramp, which is different to how you would just do a 180 on flat.
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Really boring stuff for most people here:
I can do tranny basics and I'm pretty comfortable skating small minis but for the love of god, I cant do tail stalls. Whenever I try to commit to put my weight on the coping, I'm shifting to early and whipe out. When I dont commit, its just a small embarassing tap with my tail on the coping. So my timing is probably way off... Any tipps?
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Really boring stuff for most people here:
I can do tranny basics and I'm pretty comfortable skating small minis but for the love of god, I cant do tail stalls. Whenever I try to commit to put my weight on the coping, I'm shifting to early and whipe out. When I dont commit, its just a small embarassing tap with my tail on the coping. So my timing is probably way off... Any tipps?
Some people have trouble with getting on the deck because they imagine it’s a more physical/aggressive movement than the little tail tap (where you just keep your body weight inside).
But it’s not. You just need a touch more speed to carry your body weight up onto the coping. This extra speed can make your normal timing a bit off, but it’s just a small adjustment.
If this is what’s happening to you, I suggest that as you come back in fakie from the far side of the ramp, just give a little bit more of a pump, do the same motion as before, no fast or big slam down on the coping. As you lock your back wheels against the coping, let the extra speed carry you up onto the deck.
Too much speed and your front foot will come off the board as you stand up on the deck. It that’s good practice for committing and getting the timing right.
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Really boring stuff for most people here:
I can do tranny basics and I'm pretty comfortable skating small minis but for the love of god, I cant do tail stalls. Whenever I try to commit to put my weight on the coping, I'm shifting to early and whipe out. When I dont commit, its just a small embarassing tap with my tail on the coping. So my timing is probably way off... Any tipps?
@cucktard Definitey has the info.
I was thinking I was going nuts as I thought I had posted something about this, but it turns out it was in another thread with similar interests here, which might be a good read as well for anyone:
Getting Comfortable on Mini-ramps
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120011.msg3742056#msg3742056
The short bit of it that is relevant (and had someone doing full stand up tail stalls by the end of the session) as per info below.
The best example for learning basics is things like fakie tail taps, which can lead into and are almost the same as fakie tail stalls, but you can do them well below coping and you roll up with minimal speed and just tap the tail on the ramp at the moment you are about to stop, where ever that is on the ramp, keeping your weight over the front foot so you cannot slip out. Work these up higher and higher, staying low until you are at the point where you can just tap the coping, which then gives you better balance to be able to pump a bit more and really put that tail down to stop and then drop back in.
To add to that, from today's session, the main thing I made sure was when the person was coming up they were staying low which helped to control the balance and not go over backwards when getting to the tail. Sure it is easier for smaller bodies and kids learning, but as adults (especially taller or bigger ones) it is harder to get down lower and keep balanced, so by pumping pretty much so wheels just touch the coping on either side for a few goes and then get a light weight tap on the tail, then repeat a few pumps, tap tail, really helps with repetition for where you need to be.
Before legs get tired or things start to get uncomfortable, jump out for a bit or do something else, then get to about the same place again, pump up or drop in and slow down and get to tapping the tail more so than trying to get right up on it, but by pumping a little harder coming backwards, it is easier to get a more firm tap, then get up to stop on top in a tail stall.
If things go funny or stop working well, go back to the pumping just under or at coping and do some more taps to get back into the balance again.
The only other thing to say is the location can have a lot to do with it as well, eg a mini ramp with mellow transition and minimal to no coping might be harder to do it on than something a bit steeper or something with big coping, but on the bigger coping you want to make sure you are more balanced.
Almost forgot too, body position - in particular being completely side on, just with turned head rolling up and down is important too, not turning your body at all to the direction you are going in and definitely not keeping a slight forward stance when rolling backwards, cause that will throw off your balance more than anything.
Setting up a camera and watching this back often helps to see where you are at too.
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Really boring stuff for most people here:
I can do tranny basics and I'm pretty comfortable skating small minis but for the love of god, I cant do tail stalls. Whenever I try to commit to put my weight on the coping, I'm shifting to early and whipe out. When I dont commit, its just a small embarassing tap with my tail on the coping. So my timing is probably way off... Any tipps?
Some people have trouble with getting on the deck because they imagine it’s a more physical/aggressive movement than the little tail tap (where you just keep your body weight inside).
But it’s not. You just need a touch more speed to carry your body weight up onto the coping. This extra speed can make your normal timing a bit off, but it’s just a small adjustment.
If this is what’s happening to you, I suggest that as you come back in fakie from the far side of the ramp, just give a little bit more of a pump, do the same motion as before, no fast or big slam down on the coping. As you lock your back wheels against the coping, let the extra speed carry you up onto the deck.
Too much speed and your front foot will come off the board as you stand up on the deck. It that’s good practice for committing and getting the timing right.
Sounds like it could totally help me, gonna let you know, thanks a ton!
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What is the general trick progression like on transition?
Ive got stuck practicing flatground most of last year and just remembered that it's transition I really want to skate. Don't really know how to progress tho.
Got 50 50s, BS slash and some pretty bad rock n rolls so far.
Also any tips on stance/posture would be really nice, feeling like bambi on ice at times
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Good basics that help you get used to pivoting and coping are all sorts of 180 variations. For example, go ip fakie, and before you hit coping 180 into a rock to fakie. You can learn them both directions and both on the nose and tail.
Fs 50-50- are another good step. Fakie into a 50-50 stall as well.
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Also any tips on stance/posture would be really nice, feeling like bambi on ice at times
If you are old enough, skate your neighborhood, get comfortable skating down the street as much or more as you feel comfortable at the park. Point your shoulders the same direction as your nose and tail when you are not pushing, understand what putting your feet in the pocket means. Watch video's on how to push, it's never a bad thing to go back and relearn basics.
Find a safe route that is one mile from your house and push there and back. You can find this tool with a google search. Take someone with you even if they only jog it with you, they need the exercise too
(https://i.imgur.com/UyZmb1O.png)
Most importantly, only have fun and keep doing it
Now go back and skate transitoin and see how much easier it is. Snow boarding and down hilling helps too
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I feel like everyone else on this thread is more advanced than me but I wanted to ask how do transition skaters always know the right speed to have to get on the coping on different ramps and transitions? I’ve done a handful of BS slash grinds but they scare me as I have no feel as to what specific speed and pump force I need to reach the coping without going over, and I always feel like I’m going to go over the coping and hang up my back truck on the way down from the slash, which keeps me from pump harder…
It’s a touch faster than rock to fakie speed.
Like others said, you have to be comfortable and familiar with coping.
One thing I need to learn at 46 now that all the 8-year old kids at my local can do it is bs pivot to fakie.
I’ve heard this is easier on narrow trucks, snd I usually ride 9-inch trucks.
I also get that it’s a heel-toe movement, but I have a tough time getting into the ‘counter rotated’ position on the coping (lower body in line with coping, upper body perpendicular)
Any hints?
Learn feeble fakie first
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Also any tips on stance/posture would be really nice, feeling like bambi on ice at times
If you are old enough, skate your neighborhood, get comfortable skating down the street as much or more as you feel comfortable at the park. Point your shoulders the same direction as your nose and tail when you are not pushing, understand what putting your feet in the pocket means. Watch video's on how to push, it's never a bad thing to go back and relearn basics.
Find a safe route that is one mile from your house and push there and back. You can find this tool with a google search. Take someone with you even if they only jog it with you, they need the exercise too
(https://i.imgur.com/UyZmb1O.png)
Most importantly, only have fun and keep doing it
Now go back and skate transitoin and see how much easier it is. Snow boarding and down hilling helps too
My biggest problem with my stace is always opening up my shoulders for my tricks. As a kid i mostly just cruised around, probably standing straight forward most of the time.
Now when I got back into skating again it's so hard to unlearn that, but gonna be mindful of having my shoulders locked with the bolts.
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Ordered a set of the 187 Pro pads after convincing myself I have to learn lien airs to justify the price tag. Been rocking soft G Forms under pants for a while since whacking the ever living fuck out my knee 5 months ago and it still being sensitive to touching the ground. Highly recommend those still but I'm over running out of bails and stepping back on the board or ganking an ankle.
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Ordered a set of the 187 Pro pads after convincing myself I have to learn lien airs to justify the price tag. Been rocking soft G Forms under pants for a while since whacking the ever living fuck out my knee 5 months ago and it still being sensitive to touching the ground. Highly recommend those still but I'm over running out of bails and stepping back on the board or ganking an ankle.
The beauty of knee pads is that, even after you've committed to landing a trick, if you notice something doesn't look or feel right, the option to bail to the knees is always present. Whereas padless, you've got a definitive point during the trick where you decide to commit, and if you notice something off after that, you're in for some bullshit.
Lean on the heels in the air for a lien.
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Any clips out there of a long FS rock n roll boardslide?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyPxfI9da2w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyPxfI9da2w)
2nd Clip. Cory Juneau
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Anyone got any tips for cab back disasters? Would think they'd be fairly easy but I always end up hitting the coping with my tail or landing on the platform or something
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Anyone got any tips for cab back disasters? Would think they'd be fairly easy but I always end up hitting the coping with my tail or landing on the platform or something
I have only ever done one or two, but I have helped others learn them fairly well on bigger ramps that I was not comfortable trying them on.
Smaller ramps or mellow ramps are not so good, but can be good to get the motion right.
Some people had said to make sure you have cab turns and cab roll outs (if that makes sense) so coming up fakie with speed and bonking wheels off the coping to 180 and then turning more, up to 360 out onto the platform first, even out of a bank if you have that down, it can help with ramps too.
Some also say to almost alley-oop coming up works well on anything with bigger transitions or coping too. I guess it is down to whether or not you are doing them on a smaller ramp, or a bigger ramp, as the technique will change on a smaller ramp you have to ollie it round, or bigger ramp just bonk wheels off the coping to get it around.
Sometimes too, under rotating them will make it easier, so you don't end up almost reverting out as you get them there and the board going sideways under you on the way back in.
Definitely a lot more in the wind up and staying low to get that turn to make the board stay under your feet.
After typing all this I thought to look them up and see if anyone has a good one, found this, which may or may not help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN96Oc08e5c
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How do I easily get from bs smith-slashes to legit grinding them? I just can't do it for some reason and get stuck.
Would it help me to practice doing bs 5-0s the wrong way, full truck on top instead of heel locking?
I can bs smith small ledges and bs tail on transition. Also bs smith stalls and slashes are on lock.
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How do I easily get from bs smith-slashes to legit grinding them? I just can't do it for some reason and get stuck.
Would it help me to practice doing bs 5-0s the wrong way, full truck on top instead of heel locking?
I can bs smith small ledges and bs tail on transition. Also bs smith stalls and slashes are on lock.
For the most part they are a balance and hold trick on anything other than bigger / vert ramps, so check to see if you have front wheel clearance with the back truck and deck touching coping on whatever ramp you are doing them on. Running rails does help with smith grinds, but I am not about to put rails on my board just so I can smith grind further.
On street stuff, you ollie on to the edge and hold with back foot but on transition, you come at it from below, so it is easy to get too high in body position, especially on smaller stuff that doesn't really lock in like a bigger ramp or ledge would. By trying to get down so much lower, you will be able to hold the balanced grind more easily and just keep your body under rotated, more so than in the usual lock position or over rotated which will usually throw you on your back down the ramp.
Carving into it and really lightly dipping your front foot should get it into the smith position, without the front wheel hitting the ramp and slowing you down too much, but if you have ever almost eaten it when you ended up in back fifty when you went for smith, you know how much weight you have on your back foot, with almost none on the front. That plus a little more.
Going faster at it will only help if you have that position correct too. I have seen people charging at it when others have said "Go faster" and ended up falling backwards on their head when their body over rotated when the front wheel gripped on the ramp face, so don't go too fast to start with but increase the speed a bit more to get a little more grind when you have the positioning right.
Compared to some people (pro or other tranny hounds) who can grind them for days, I just enjoy doing moderate back smith grinds on smaller transition nowdays, but that motion to slash at them is key in the process. Almost over emphasise that low body position and push them out further in front of you and you should be getting more of a grind soon enough.
I think that is about it for now, but see how you go with that first.
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i'm trying to get bs smiths on tranny down at the moment too, i can do them pretty comfortably on a 5ft ramp but when i get to 6ft with pool coping i just bitch out and can't fully commit. i know that you definitely can't half-ass it at a ramp that height and do a slash/smith, you really just need to stand up on top and dip that fucker.
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what's the trick to long backside 5-0 grinds in transition? i can stand up front 5-0 all day but can only do a pivot backside.
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what's the trick to long backside 5-0 grinds in transition? i can stand up front 5-0 all day but can only do a pivot backside.
Same back heel point of the truck on the coping but stay lower and don't turn your shoulders too much to keep the board in the ramp, rather than out on top of it to start with.
Can you do normal backside fifty fifties across normal ramps in the same way that you can stand up front fives?
Start out with a slight carve into them, then go a bit faster and stay low and loose and they should stay up and grind some. Not a worry if you end up sitting on your back truck and tail on coping either, which is better than dropping your front truck - sort of the opposite of the manual across a flat surface, if that makes sense?
Some setups may or may not be easier, eg super wide trucks or super loose trucks can sometimes make it harder if the heel wheel is stopped in wheelbite on the deck, or if your wider trucks move all over the place.
It is the opposite to doing a back five on a ledge, where you want to be right up on top of it with only the toe wheel over, but on a ramp / transition you only want the heel wheel over and locked in with the rest of the truck and toe wheel in the ramp.
For some a bit of wax or something to help the grind works too, but I prefer to just go a touch faster and stay lower to make it grind, unless of course the coping is rusted and does not grind at all.
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I'm having trouble getting over the mental block of skating big transition. I am fairly comfortable doing simple tricks up to about 8ft but once it goes over that i start getting various 'fears' creeping up on me, like not being able to stand up on my frontside grinds or not being able to drop back in from a 50-50 position. To be honest frontside grinds and backside 50-50s are all i am working on in the big stuff right now. Once i get them i feel like i will be able to tie in a lot more lines together rather than just doing slash grinds. Does anyone have any tips for getting over the fear of skating big transition?
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learning back 5-0 grinds and i initially started with stalls but found that really difficult & moved on to the grinds on a whim. surprising found it immensely easier to grind than to stall
did anybody experience this as well ?
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learning back 5-0 grinds and i initially started with stalls but found that really difficult & moved on to the grinds on a whim. surprising found it immensely easier to grind than to stall
did anybody experience this as well ?
No, i had the opposite experience. Still struggle with back 5-0 grinds a bit, especially in corners or bowls
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Learn pivots the right way first then push them into backside 5-0s, then you'll have real good control of them.
Edit: by that I mean learn how to pinch pivots on the heelside wheel first, then just change your angle and push it into a grind
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Learn pivots the right way first then push them into backside 5-0s, then you'll have real good control of them.
Edit: by that I mean learn how to pinch pivots on the heelside wheel first, then just change your angle and push it into a grind
When you grind a back 5-0 which direction how are your shoulders positioned? On a pivot it's self-explanatory that you just pivot with the board but when I do back 5-0s I kinda turn my shoulders so I'm facing the coping ahead of me if that makes sense. I don't know if that's right or not, it works for me to get long ones on flat walls but in a bowl i just cannot make them work.
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It's exactly like a pivot but you don't turn your shoulders back into the transition until you're ready to get back in there. So, like camping out on a pivot except you took a 45 degree angle to the coping and are leaning back enough to grind. I usually have mine parallel to slightly open (torso facing forward) when doing em.
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It's exactly like a pivot but you don't turn your shoulders back into the transition until you're ready to get back in there. So, like camping out on a pivot except you took a 45 degree angle to the coping and are leaning back enough to grind. I usually have mine parallel to slightly open (torso facing forward) when doing em.
Sounds like i'm overthinking a simple trick. Thanks for the tips.
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learning back 5-0 grinds and i initially started with stalls but found that really difficult & moved on to the grinds on a whim. surprising found it immensely easier to grind than to stall
did anybody experience this as well ?
This isn't my experience but I know a bunch of people who are pretty good at 5-0 grinds to fakie but can't pivot fakie.
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Anyone have experience with bringing fs nosegrinds back in? It's probably one of the scarier tricks I've tried, I can ollie into them and grind them out, but just can't seem to bring them in despite being able to do nollie acid drops.
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learning back 5-0 grinds and i initially started with stalls but found that really difficult & moved on to the grinds on a whim. surprising found it immensely easier to grind than to stall
did anybody experience this as well ?
This isn't my experience but I know a bunch of people who are pretty good at 5-0 grinds to fakie but can't pivot fakie.
Anyone have experience with bringing fs nosegrinds back in? It's probably one of the scarier tricks I've tried, I can ollie into them and grind them out, but just can't seem to bring them in despite being able to do nollie acid drops.
Both the five oh grind to fakie and frontside nosegrinds are a momentum based trick, so are way easier if you are grinding / moving still before going back in. That was the main reason for quoting the last two posts, but overall some tricks are very much an easier on the spot type of thing and others you have to be moving, usually at reasonable speed to get them to work well.
Sure there are others (and even my lazy ass) who will often do five oh grind to stop to fakie, but it is better to be still moving so the momentum helps carry you into the ramp.
As to nose grinds (frontside or backside) that you ollie into and are sitting on top of rather than just the nose manual kind that you are not really up on top of, you have to be balanced with your weight ever so slightly on top but very ready to go straight back into the ramp, otherwise you will not be able to get it back in.
One guy who was learning them would often pull them in, indy grab, another had often ended up in decker or even smith a couple of times popping in but not far enough as he was too much in the back seat of them when grinding, but I think one thing that really helped with the basics of getting them was just nose manualling across the face of a bank or smaller transition and getting the hang of the hold, then even taking them to the edge / on coping and still just rolling them.
As you said you can nollie bonk the wheels on coping to get in, which is also a good thing to learn, but just putting it all together.
Not sure if you have ever tried or learnt nose blunts but the simple pop in on those could also help a great deal, even just sitting your board on a curb or low edge and nollie to decker or pop in a bit sideways so you end up landing just out from the curb in the "roll away" stance, if that makes sense.
Anyway, let me know if you get all that or if you want videos or anything of that stuff for a bit of show and tell - I am not that good at a lot of tricks nowdays, but I used to be able to do a lot more and have helped a lot of people learn way more than I am able to do by getting the other steps to get up to something like that. Then you not only have the trick you wanted, but usually half a dozen other variations as well.
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Anyone have experience with bringing fs nosegrinds back in? It's probably one of the scarier tricks I've tried, I can ollie into them and grind them out, but just can't seem to bring them in despite being able to do nollie acid drops.
I just learned to stall theses a few weeks ago and managed a couple of grinds. Two things I realised when trying to work them out that seemed important -
Get your front toe in the pocket of the nose
Pop straight forward and let the turn of your body do the work to make your board turn back in to the ramp. The temptation is to pop the board in the direction of the ramp but that seemed to stop it coming back in for me
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It's exactly like a pivot but you don't turn your shoulders back into the transition until you're ready to get back in there. So, like camping out on a pivot except you took a 45 degree angle to the coping and are leaning back enough to grind. I usually have mine parallel to slightly open (torso facing forward) when doing em.
Sounds like i'm overthinking a simple trick. Thanks for the tips.
Don't feel bad though, I'll skate tranny maybe once or twice a month. Mainly I'm just there to apese my friends who are great at transition. I'm like "alright, let me go do the 5 or 6 transition tricks I can do." I'll do 50-50, rock to fakie or roll, 5-0, pivot fakie, front side disaster, front side air and I'm ready to leave in 40 minutes lol.
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learning back 5-0 grinds and i initially started with stalls but found that really difficult & moved on to the grinds on a whim. surprising found it immensely easier to grind than to stall
did anybody experience this as well ?
This isn't my experience but I know a bunch of people who are pretty good at 5-0 grinds to fakie but can't pivot fakie.
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Anyone have experience with bringing fs nosegrinds back in? It's probably one of the scarier tricks I've tried, I can ollie into them and grind them out, but just can't seem to bring them in despite being able to do nollie acid drops.
Both the five oh grind to fakie and frontside nosegrinds are a momentum based trick, so are way easier if you are grinding / moving still before going back in. That was the main reason for quoting the last two posts, but overall some tricks are very much an easier on the spot type of thing and others you have to be moving, usually at reasonable speed to get them to work well.
Sure there are others (and even my lazy ass) who will often do five oh grind to stop to fakie, but it is better to be still moving so the momentum helps carry you into the ramp.
As to nose grinds (frontside or backside) that you ollie into and are sitting on top of rather than just the nose manual kind that you are not really up on top of, you have to be balanced with your weight ever so slightly on top but very ready to go straight back into the ramp, otherwise you will not be able to get it back in.
One guy who was learning them would often pull them in, indy grab, another had often ended up in decker or even smith a couple of times popping in but not far enough as he was too much in the back seat of them when grinding, but I think one thing that really helped with the basics of getting them was just nose manualling across the face of a bank or smaller transition and getting the hang of the hold, then even taking them to the edge / on coping and still just rolling them.
As you said you can nollie bonk the wheels on coping to get in, which is also a good thing to learn, but just putting it all together.
Not sure if you have ever tried or learnt nose blunts but the simple pop in on those could also help a great deal, even just sitting your board on a curb or low edge and nollie to decker or pop in a bit sideways so you end up landing just out from the curb in the "roll away" stance, if that makes sense.
Anyway, let me know if you get all that or if you want videos or anything of that stuff for a bit of show and tell - I am not that good at a lot of tricks nowdays, but I used to be able to do a lot more and have helped a lot of people learn way more than I am able to do by getting the other steps to get up to something like that. Then you not only have the trick you wanted, but usually half a dozen other variations as well.
Cheers for the advice. Pretty sure you may have taught me noseblunts in person actually, with the advice of taking them to decker a few times before fully committing.
May actually work on noseblunts a bit more before trying fs nosegrinds again, rather than fully popping them in I now do a sketchy nose manual back in.
I just learned to stall theses a few weeks ago and managed a couple of grinds. Two things I realised when trying to work them out that seemed important -
Get your front toe in the pocket of the nose
Pop straight forward and let the turn of your body do the work to make your board turn back in to the ramp. The temptation is to pop the board in the direction of the ramp but that seemed to stop it coming back in for me
Yeah, that makes sense and would likely explain why I'd end up taking a lot them to smiths. Might just see if I can pop out a stall when I start trying them again
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Stall is 1 million times easier if you can get into it ok
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is it just me or is mini ramp skating way harder than bowl skating? i mainly skate ledges, so i thought id ask people who actually know what tf theyre doing
i have such a hard time keeping speed in a 5 foot mini ramp, i always end up doing setup tricks or just fuckup my speed entirely after doing a trick like a back disaster. where as for bowls, i mainly do grind tricks to keep speed
i have no idea how to fix these types of problems because im good at doing quarterpipe tricks, but i cant for the life of me maintain the speed post trick
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is it just me or is mini ramp skating way harder than bowl skating? i mainly skate ledges, so i thought id ask people who actually know what tf theyre doing
i have such a hard time keeping speed in a 5 foot mini ramp, i always end up doing setup tricks or just fuckup my speed entirely after doing a trick like a back disaster. where as for bowls, i mainly do grind tricks to keep speed
i have no idea how to fix these types of problems because im good at doing quarterpipe tricks, but i cant for the life of me maintain the speed post trick
I definitely feel like people are one or the other. To be good at mini ramp skating you need to be able to do tricks to fakie and revert out and all kinds of 'tech' shit but to be good at a bowl you really only need to be able to do solid 5-0s to be somewhat impressive and have fun (depending on the bowl obviously)
Bowls require more commitment and balls but mini ramp skating requires way more finesse, unless you're one of those freaks who does tech shit in big bowls
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is it just me or is mini ramp skating way harder than bowl skating? i mainly skate ledges, so i thought id ask people who actually know what tf theyre doing
i have such a hard time keeping speed in a 5 foot mini ramp, i always end up doing setup tricks or just fuckup my speed entirely after doing a trick like a back disaster. where as for bowls, i mainly do grind tricks to keep speed
i have no idea how to fix these types of problems because im good at doing quarterpipe tricks, but i cant for the life of me maintain the speed post trick
I agree that it needs a bit more finesse.
You need to land trucks and not ‘ride away’, but land them in a way where you are ready to give a little pump into the transition after to maintain speed.
It doesn’t have to be a high-speed trick, you can totally stop on the coping but still be able come back in with a pump for the next wall.
If you can drop in and do a trick on the next wall, you can apply that same pump to coming out of fs and bs axle stalls, as well as rock to fakie. If you can pump out of those 3 tricks with enough speed to hit the next wall, you’re good.
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You have to think a lot faster, they are slippery, and you don’t have corners to pump through…..that said….no way..ramps are way less scary.
I pumped for hours on a vert ramp growing up and mini is the type of thing little kids gravitate to and build up their muscle memory….it’s hard to learn when you’re older. Parks don’t teach you to keep speed…you roll in on flatbanks or push.
I’d build up and do a bunch of 50-50’s, it’ll get easier….
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^ thank you all for replying to my question, i really appreciate it
i suspected for a while they were two different skills, but im glad you could confirm it for me
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Mini is rhythm and muscle memory……concrete park is more about confidence…..
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I’ve had a better boon keeping speed in the parks on 60mm bones SPF 84b, they don’t sink into ground much and I can go lap after lap with them. They’re one of the more popular wheels for transition for a reason.
Of course they won’t overcome a bad pump technique, but smaller wheels and softer ones definitely have a harder time keeping momentum.
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I’d never skated a bowl at all until a couple of years ago but I live near a little peanut shaped fairly crusty one now.
Despite having a fair few basic mini ramp tricks down consistently, you wouldn’t believe how long it took me to start to keep speed and link them together in this bowl.
Maybe it’s just the shape / size of this particular one but adapting timing of pumps to corners to keep speed and hit the coping where I want to seemed like a frustrating puzzle for weirdly ages given my mini ramp basic chops
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Okay here's an obscure one. Layback slides or any type of layback grind in general really. Can any of you do one? I dream of doing a layback slide like this one day but I can't get my head around it.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjoMQEShKIt/
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Okay here's an obscure one. Layback slides or any type of layback grind in general really. Can any of you do one? I dream of doing a layback slide like this one day but I can't get my head around it.
Whilst I'm not a bonafide expert when it comes to laybacks, I can do them well enough to atleast give a few pointers. I'd definitely start with a grind as opposed to straight layback/drifting on the wall as the grind will give you more time to learn it and get comfortable with the motions. Frontside 5-0 (dont murder me on trick nomenclature) is in my opinion the easiest to learn so being atleast somewhat competent with those will help. There's no real trick to getting into it, just gotta throw yourself back and put that hand down - it could just be me but a front 5-0 feels like a two step trick, the first half being angling yourself to get into it and the initial coping hit, and the second adjusting the top half of your body and locking the grind in. Planting the hand is usually done on or just after the first part, and then you extend your body out to keep grinding.
One of the common issues I see when people try to learn them is assuming that hand on the coping = planting it with all your weight, and this usually ends up with their body/board extended so far out in front of them that when they try to bring it back in they'll slide out or start reverting. Keep it a bit light and drag the hand, taking the board to tail also helps as then it's stalled and you can use that to bring the rest of your body/weight forward, and hopefully roll away. Of course there are many different ways to do them, and plenty of people do it planted with their full body extended (Hosoi for instance), but that comes with time and it'll be much easier to learn it dragging the hand/keeping it light. You can see the difference in these two clips, the one of Duane doing them backside and dragging his hand with him so that by the time he's dropped back in he's straight, whereas the Hosoi clip he's still laid back on entry and only really returns to a normal position at the lower portion of the ramp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvliOGjp4IQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hhd9a7c34Y
It's really just one of those tricks where you have to go for it and see what happens, worst case scenario you slide out on them. Good luck :)
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That was rad watching the old Duane footage (or not that old really, considering he was doing that 30 years ago) but at the very least, one thing I would add with laybacks is getting used to your body being down way lower, to the point where even just on flat or a mellow bank carving around and putting a hand or two down to get the feel for how low you have to get, without having the issue of slipping out on a big wall, cause the trick really doesn't work as well on smaller ramps, even though some people can do them on anything.
That and being able to do a slide on the bank too, in much the same way, just come into it frontside (or backside) and push with your feet first just doing a turn but slide at the top of the turn, then get lower and push like you are going to slide more across the face, but then at some point you can get low enough that you can get a hand down.
That was how one of the older guys was showing younger kids how to do them one day and it was a lot easier than trying to get down lower on a bigger ramp lip.
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Sick, thanks for the tips fellas, I tried a few layback 5-0s today taking your advice @cosmicgypsies and not putting all my weight onto my back hand and got way closer than I had been getting previously, but it started raining before i could pull one off. And thanks @Mbrimson88, i'll try practicing the slides on banks. It's seriously a dream trick of mine, the way people do it where they throw one hand back on the concrete/ramp and the other hand is kinda swung above their heads is just so sick.
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i want to learn front tails on transition but dont exactly know where to start
do i try popping into a tail stall first & then do it at an angle ?
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do i to a front 5-0 & as soon as i get on top, force it into tail ?
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Can you do them on banks? Its not that much different.
I wouldn't recommend going straight up, especially if the goal is to slide them. Come at a 45 degree angle, keep your weight in the transition and bone out your back leg as you lock in. Once you figure out the timing of the lock in its not that hard. yes, to get used to it you could try doing stand up five Os into tailslides and do them quicker and quicker until you are whipping straight to tail slide.
Talk to Ben Schroeder. I think he was the first. He called them Chaffe Slides or something like that...
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Have y’all found a more standard transition setup to be helpful for progressing?
Seems like 8.25-8.5 / 14.25wb + Indy 149s + bones hard bushings + Swiss + 56/60mm 84b SPFs is the standard setup with some slight variations here and there.
I really prefer a 15”+ wheelbase, but there’s really only three deck options if you go popsicle. The Powell Peralta 8.75 shape 245 and 9.05 shape 246. Anti-hero has the 9.0 Eagle with a 15” wb.
My penchant for a longer wheelbase usually pushes me into reissue decks which can be a gamble when trying to get the basics down.
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I ride the Antihero Huffer on everything. Wider trucks and bigger wheels in bigger parks.
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I ride the Antihero Huffer on everything. Wider trucks and bigger wheels in bigger parks.
That shape looks great, I’ll have to grab one next time I see one. Looks like the Kimbel decks from Creature also have a 9.0/15”.
Lien to tail looks hard on a reissue with a small nose like on the Jeff Kendall end of the world I’ve been riding.
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i want to learn front tails on transition but dont exactly know where to start
do i try popping into a tail stall first & then do it at an angle ?
or
do i to a front 5-0 & as soon as i get on top, force it into tail ?
agree with everything said and can share a few tips. if you can find a small hip (bank or transition) then i find they are way easier over hips as you don't have to turn as much but it's most the same trick. i learned doing 5 0 to tail and increasing the speed but it might depend if you want the end result to be a swoop in or ollie in. i do swoop in. the other thing with FS grid and tailslide, for me it's all about stomping the back foot. you come in fast and then put all your weight on your back foot on top of the ramp and stomp it. if you don't get a good lock you just walk out of it and if you do... hell ride and back in.
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How do I grind longer on pool coping? I think the longest I can get is maybe 7-8ft on a cross-locked back 50 and that's absolutely hauling ass. Some guys seem to be able to do 10 or 12ft grinds like it's nothing. Is there some trick here?
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How do I grind longer on pool coping? I think the longest I can get is maybe 7-8ft on a cross-locked back 50 and that's absolutely hauling ass. Some guys seem to be able to do 10 or 12ft grinds like it's nothing. Is there some trick here?
Samba Sauce?
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Who has some advice on stretching techniques so I can learn some grabs? I am comfortable with frontside Ollies over coping on most ramps, but as soon as I try to grab the board I bail. Just standing on a board I can't grab behind my knees at all tuckknee style, and I cant grab behind my back melon or stalefish either. Any stretching or advice in general is greatly appreciated
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Who has some advice on stretching techniques so I can learn some grabs? I am comfortable with frontside Ollies over coping on most ramps, but as soon as I try to grab the board I bail. Just standing on a board I can't grab behind my knees at all tuckknee style, and I cant grab behind my back melon or stalefish either. Any stretching or advice in general is greatly appreciated
I’ve been practicing my way up to airs and the way I’ve wrapped my head around melon and Indy grabs is starting to grab during frontside and backside carves. Also watching skating from the 70s helps.
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Hey tom, sounds like you need to loosen up those hip joints. There are plenty of options but I like to do a yoga routine including pidgeon stretches the evening before a session. I guess 'routine' is the magic word here, once you start stretching regularly you will get results rather quickly. Hope you will find something that you like.
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Who has some advice on stretching techniques so I can learn some grabs? I am comfortable with frontside Ollies over coping on most ramps, but as soon as I try to grab the board I bail. Just standing on a board I can't grab behind my knees at all tuckknee style, and I cant grab behind my back melon or stalefish either. Any stretching or advice in general is greatly appreciated
I’ve been practicing my way up to airs and the way I’ve wrapped my head around melon and Indy grabs is starting to grab during frontside and backside carves. Also watching skating from the 70s helps.
I’ve been watching a lot of transition skating and trying to emulate the technique. It helped with figuring out where you need to actually start fs/bs ollies. It also seems like a lot of people have their arms setup to grab the board before they get anywhere near the coping
Hey tom, sounds like you need to loosen up those hip joints. There are plenty of options but I like to do a yoga routine including pidgeon stretches the evening before a session. I guess 'routine' is the magic word here, once you start stretching regularly you will get results rather quickly. Hope you will find something that you like.
Thank you. I have a buddy who has been telling me for weeks that I need to workout on my hips more. I’ll add hip specific stretches into the mix as well
Open to more suggestions 8)
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Who has some advice on stretching techniques so I can learn some grabs? I am comfortable with frontside Ollies over coping on most ramps, but as soon as I try to grab the board I bail. Just standing on a board I can't grab behind my knees at all tuckknee style, and I cant grab behind my back melon or stalefish either. Any stretching or advice in general is greatly appreciated
I know it is probably not quite so helpful but I had pretty much given up on getting decent grabs / airs long ago, but the one thing that gave me a little hope and was actually rad to see was some old video of some guys talking shit to each other, but the one that couldn't get the behind the knee grab did stiff leg / tail bone airs instead and could get nose or tail grab variations way better, which I liked and that gave me a little hope and fun for a few years doing more of those sort of things.
Also I think Grosso had said something about he couldn't do the best grabs (yeah right, they were still amazing) which is why he started doing those similar ones and roast beef grabs. I should try to look up somewhere that any of those guys say those things, but Raney does rad frontside grabs, sort of straight leg and I know Cardiel used to do those pushed out straight back leg frontside grabs with his back hand closer to his front bolts without being crail looking.
Just a thought anyway, but worth trying a few out of stuff or somewhere you don't have to go big just to get the motion. I would often try a lot of tail block variations, using both front or back hands at different times, sometimes not just straight up nose grab but a bit lower down and they can be quite fun, especially the frontside ones on mellow banks, which help get you grabbing the board without the struggle of getting airs or other things that could go wrong way more easily.
This is one I just looked up, mainly to find the sort of air I was thinking of and not done by a pro, but they are fun when I used to do them, though no where near as high or pushed out as this one:
https://www.confuzine.com/tag/thilo-nawrocki/
(https://www.confuzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bestofboth-jhay.jpg-16.jpg)
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@Mbrimson88 i didn’t even think to try grabs on banks. I feel silly for not trying that sooner lol. I’m trying to learn liens and backside air nosegrabs(whatever it’s called) by grabbing pivots. Currently if I’m lucky I can ride away from lien airs that have just my finger tips touching the nose
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Debating going strictly transition riding as my right/popping ankle health is deteriorating as I’m rounding 30.
Have y’all found transition riding to be less intensive on ankles?
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Debating going strictly transition riding as my right/popping ankle health is deteriorating as I’m rounding 30.
Have y’all found transition riding to be less intensive on ankles?
That depends. If ankles/knees bother you, I'd strongly suggest knee pads and learning how to knee slide. Run-outs go wrong (esp. on a non-level surface) can cause some major problems and/or exacerbate existing ankle/knee problems. This is not to say that you should knee slide out of every bail--you shouldn't, but it can be huge help with mitigating potential ankle/knee issues.
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Debating going strictly transition riding as my right/popping ankle health is deteriorating as I’m rounding 30.
Have y’all found transition riding to be less intensive on ankles?
From busted ankles back in the late 80s and early 90s, to going to a naturopath many years ago and getting told I am not going to be able to walk when I am 50, they recommended tiger balm among other things and it really does help.
I am now 48 and although I still skate everything, I do so on a much more mellow scale than when younger, so yeah, smaller tech stuff and definitely more transition but I still like doing this and that when I feel like it and things work how they should.
Rest if injured, do things to help your body, not work against it and don't feel like you have to do anything if you are not up to it or whatever.
Some days are more just a cruise around, others better, but I learned not to try to hold on to what I had from back in the day and accept that things are going to get harder as I get older.
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Debating going strictly transition riding as my right/popping ankle health is deteriorating as I’m rounding 30.
Have y’all found transition riding to be less intensive on ankles?
Some days are more just a cruise around, others better, but I learned not to try to hold on to what I had from back in the day and accept that things are going to get harder as I get older.
Sage words.
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Debating going strictly transition riding as my right/popping ankle health is deteriorating as I’m rounding 30.
Have y’all found transition riding to be less intensive on ankles?
That depends. If ankles/knees bother you, I'd strongly suggest knee pads and learning how to knee slide. Run-outs go wrong (esp. on a non-level surface) can cause some major problems and/or exacerbate existing ankle/knee problems. This is not to say that you should knee slide out of every bail--you shouldn't, but it can be huge help with mitigating potential ankle/knee issues.
Knee bails can be helpful when you are skating perfect surfaces and the right transition. Not so helpful on aged concrete or the wrong transition. Bailing to flat on your knees doesn't feel that great on the lower spine. If you do want to knee bail get proper knee pads. When I pad up, I use the 187s but next up I plan on getting the S1s. Duct tape your laces.
There are couple of other techniques aside from running out and knee bailing. The Bum bail (you'll use up a lot of trousers) and a couple of quick steps and then rolling. I tend to use this one on rougher concrete. Stay low and don't stick your limbs out. Use your lead shoulder and bicep to roll over.
Mostly it is about calculated risks. I don't actually agree that it is a given that things get harder as you get older b/c so much of skateboarding is mental. A calmer mind can aid your progression. Don't just assume getting older is a guaranteed decline in your skateboarding. It's not that simple and there will be many up and downs.
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So, who's got the secret to inverts? There's a quote from Grosso in Loveletters, something like "one time you're gonna flip onto your head, and lightbulb will go off". I've gotten some dogshit ones, just below coping on a steeper 4' QP, but keep noticing problems that I'm having trouble correcting.
1. I always throw the rotation too far and go in fakie. Which is kinda cool, but not the trick I'm craving.
2. Getting hand on coping and extending to the stall. Obviously this is tougher on a smaller ramp w/o vert, but even getting planted on coping is tripping me up. I imagine getting a more solid plant and stall might help with over-rotating
3. In the same vein as the prior, the Goldilocks amount of speed. Too slow and you won't get there or extended out of the ramp, too fast and you just blow out. Finding the speed to flip yourself to that point is hit or miss for me.
4. Do I just need the confidence of having it on lock to commit to larger ramps?
Speaking about normal ass, slob grab handplant, but any tips on Andrechts would be cool too! Just haven't dabbled to much since trying the OG.
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So, who's got the secret to inverts? There's a quote from Grosso in Loveletters, something like "one time you're gonna flip onto your head, and lightbulb will go off". I've gotten some dogshit ones, just below coping on a steeper 4' QP, but keep noticing problems that I'm having trouble correcting.
1. I always throw the rotation too far and go in fakie. Which is kinda cool, but not the trick I'm craving.
2. Getting hand on coping and extending to the stall. Obviously this is tougher on a smaller ramp w/o vert, but even getting planted on coping is tripping me up. I imagine getting a more solid plant and stall might help with over-rotating
3. In the same vein as the prior, the Goldilocks amount of speed. Too slow and you won't get there or extended out of the ramp, too fast and you just blow out. Finding the speed to flip yourself to that point is hit or miss for me.
4. Do I just need the confidence of having it on lock to commit to larger ramps?
Speaking about normal ass, slob grab handplant, but any tips on Andrechts would be cool too! Just haven't dabbled to much since trying the OG.
I don’t have this truck in my bag, but from locals I’ve seen do it, place it on transition with at least 2ft of vert, in the 8-11ft high sections.
The trick tips on the RIDE channel aren’t super in depth, but they have some substance:
https://youtu.be/Zy_82StDPys
Also if you can skip past the YouTube-isms on this one, it at least demonstrates the progress and troubleshooting of inverts:
https://youtu.be/oqF1ChmmUks
Actually, I just found this from AJ Nelson and it’s pretty comprehensive:
https://youtu.be/CL7zEwcrsgU
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Debating going strictly transition riding as my right/popping ankle health is deteriorating as I’m rounding 30.
Have y’all found transition riding to be less intensive on ankles?
That depends. If ankles/knees bother you, I'd strongly suggest knee pads and learning how to knee slide. Run-outs go wrong (esp. on a non-level surface) can cause some major problems and/or exacerbate existing ankle/knee problems. This is not to say that you should knee slide out of every bail--you shouldn't, but it can be huge help with mitigating potential ankle/knee issues.
Also if you're skating transition that's a little steeper or a little taller then bailing can still be kinda high impact. 4-5 feet doesn't seem THAT tall until you're trying a trick and keep bailing to flat because it's too steep to run/slide out of.
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Debating going strictly transition riding as my right/popping ankle health is deteriorating as I’m rounding 30.
Have y’all found transition riding to be less intensive on ankles?
That depends. If ankles/knees bother you, I'd strongly suggest knee pads and learning how to knee slide. Run-outs go wrong (esp. on a non-level surface) can cause some major problems and/or exacerbate existing ankle/knee problems. This is not to say that you should knee slide out of every bail--you shouldn't, but it can be huge help with mitigating potential ankle/knee issues.
Also if you're skating transition that's a little steeper or a little taller then bailing can still be kinda high impact. 4-5 feet doesn't seem THAT tall until you're trying a trick and keep bailing to flat because it's too steep to run/slide out of.
Yeah, that’s a good point. My park has an 8/12/13 combi that definitely has potential to wreck your day.
I picked up some tiger balm like y’all recommended and it actually helped a lot. It also made me realize the pain was in my soleus muscle, so that means I could probably rehab this leg pretty well with some targeted stretches and strengthening.
I think the reason my right ankle rolls has to do with the calf and soleus muscles being out of wack.
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So, who's got the secret to inverts? There's a quote from Grosso in Loveletters, something like "one time you're gonna flip onto your head, and lightbulb will go off". I've gotten some dogshit ones, just below coping on a steeper 4' QP, but keep noticing problems that I'm having trouble correcting.
1. I always throw the rotation too far and go in fakie. Which is kinda cool, but not the trick I'm craving.
2. Getting hand on coping and extending to the stall. Obviously this is tougher on a smaller ramp w/o vert, but even getting planted on coping is tripping me up. I imagine getting a more solid plant and stall might help with over-rotating
3. In the same vein as the prior, the Goldilocks amount of speed. Too slow and you won't get there or extended out of the ramp, too fast and you just blow out. Finding the speed to flip yourself to that point is hit or miss for me.
4. Do I just need the confidence of having it on lock to commit to larger ramps?
Speaking about normal ass, slob grab handplant, but any tips on Andrechts would be cool too! Just haven't dabbled to much since trying the OG.
Not the secret to real ones (proper vert ramp with a bonk, air/grab, then plant style), but I’ve pulled my fair share of muscled up ones on smaller ramps. Steep 4-6 foot is my jam for these.
1) In my experience, over-rotating is the easiest problem to have with these on small ramps. That’s because the trick changes when you don’t have a big vertical ramp to use to get upside down. You have to grab earlier on small ramps and muscle your way into position, so you need to compensate for that change on your way up. I’ve found a slight alleyoop angle on the way up helps. Then, on the re-entry, after you’ve hit your peak, keep your eyes up looking forward and make a conscious effort to keep your back foot underneath you, almost like you’re sitting your butt on your heel and making a very slight fs shifty. Invert reverts (a la DP or Ben Raybourn style with the hand hop) are actually a bit easier on small ramps because you don’t have to deal with all this counterbalancing and can just sort of throw your weight out like a bert slide.
2) Wait. I mean that very literally. Steep ramps are your friend here. If you can plant your hand just below the coping and get your butt above your head upside down, you’re most of the way there. Grab early, go fast, and pull hard. Try to wait till you’re almost upside down to plant your hand. Literally say “wait” or “hold it” in your head if you need to trick yourself. Helps to film it and watch yourself. For example, if you see you’re planting just below coping with a straight arm, then try waiting and planting with a slight bend at the elbow to get a few extra inches.
3) Practice flying out on to the deck with the same grab and plant hand, but with no expectation of going upside down. Then, go a bit faster than that for your actual invert. Bonus, if you get comfortable doing this sort of fly out and rolling back in to the quarter (with the grab and leading your plant hand in front of you on coping) it will be a big confidence boost for the re-entry on normal inverts. Great way to practice where to look and how to sit your weight.
4) I have them pretty well locked on small, steep ramps, but am terrified of them on proper vert. I’ve also known skaters who can do them all day on 13ft vert ramps but can’t fathom them on a 4ft quarter. Two different skill sets, honestly.
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So, who's got the secret to inverts? There's a quote from Grosso in Loveletters, something like "one time you're gonna flip onto your head, and lightbulb will go off". I've gotten some dogshit ones, just below coping on a steeper 4' QP, but keep noticing problems that I'm having trouble correcting.
1. I always throw the rotation too far and go in fakie. Which is kinda cool, but not the trick I'm craving.
2. Getting hand on coping and extending to the stall. Obviously this is tougher on a smaller ramp w/o vert, but even getting planted on coping is tripping me up. I imagine getting a more solid plant and stall might help with over-rotating
3. In the same vein as the prior, the Goldilocks amount of speed. Too slow and you won't get there or extended out of the ramp, too fast and you just blow out. Finding the speed to flip yourself to that point is hit or miss for me.
4. Do I just need the confidence of having it on lock to commit to larger ramps?
Speaking about normal ass, slob grab handplant, but any tips on Andrechts would be cool too! Just haven't dabbled to much since trying the OG.
Not the secret to real ones (proper vert ramp with a bonk, air/grab, then plant style), but I’ve pulled my fair share of muscled up ones on smaller ramps. Steep 4-6 foot is my jam for these.
1) In my experience, over-rotating is the easiest problem to have with these on small ramps. That’s because the trick changes when you don’t have a big vertical ramp to use to get upside down. You have to grab earlier on small ramps and muscle your way into position, so you need to compensate for that change on your way up. I’ve found a slight alleyoop angle on the way up helps. Then, on the re-entry, after you’ve hit your peak, keep your eyes up looking forward and make a conscious effort to keep your back foot underneath you, almost like you’re sitting your butt on your heel and making a very slight fs shifty. Invert reverts (a la DP or Ben Raybourn style with the hand hop) are actually a bit easier on small ramps because you don’t have to deal with all this counterbalancing and can just sort of throw your weight out like a bert slide.
2) Wait. I mean that very literally. Steep ramps are your friend here. If you can plant your hand just below the coping and get your butt above your head upside down, you’re most of the way there. Grab early, go fast, and pull hard. Try to wait till you’re almost upside down to plant your hand. Literally say “wait” or “hold it” in your head if you need to trick yourself. Helps to film it and watch yourself. For example, if you see you’re planting just below coping with a straight arm, then try waiting and planting with a slight bend at the elbow to get a few extra inches.
3) Practice flying out on to the deck with the same grab and plant hand, but with no expectation of going upside down. Then, go a bit faster than that for your actual invert. Bonus, if you get comfortable doing this sort of fly out and rolling back in to the quarter (with the grab and leading your plant hand in front of you on coping) it will be a big confidence boost for the re-entry on normal inverts. Great way to practice where to look and how to sit your weight.
4) I have them pretty well locked on small, steep ramps, but am terrified of them on proper vert. I’ve also known skaters who can do them all day on 13ft vert ramps but can’t fathom them on a 4ft quarter. Two different skill sets, honestly.
Beautiful response friend! Lot of ideas to work with.
How much speed do you usually approach with, namely on a bigger QP? Fast enough to get past the top of course, but more or less than an aerial?
There's a ~6ft ramp at my local that flicks full to vert, but has no vert wall. She's a steep one, but my skate-sense tells me it would work perfect with the right tech and commitment.
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So, who's got the secret to inverts? There's a quote from Grosso in Loveletters, something like "one time you're gonna flip onto your head, and lightbulb will go off". I've gotten some dogshit ones, just below coping on a steeper 4' QP, but keep noticing problems that I'm having trouble correcting.
1. I always throw the rotation too far and go in fakie. Which is kinda cool, but not the trick I'm craving.
2. Getting hand on coping and extending to the stall. Obviously this is tougher on a smaller ramp w/o vert, but even getting planted on coping is tripping me up. I imagine getting a more solid plant and stall might help with over-rotating
3. In the same vein as the prior, the Goldilocks amount of speed. Too slow and you won't get there or extended out of the ramp, too fast and you just blow out. Finding the speed to flip yourself to that point is hit or miss for me.
4. Do I just need the confidence of having it on lock to commit to larger ramps?
Speaking about normal ass, slob grab handplant, but any tips on Andrechts would be cool too! Just haven't dabbled to much since trying the OG.
Not the secret to real ones (proper vert ramp with a bonk, air/grab, then plant style), but I’ve pulled my fair share of muscled up ones on smaller ramps. Steep 4-6 foot is my jam for these.
1) In my experience, over-rotating is the easiest problem to have with these on small ramps. That’s because the trick changes when you don’t have a big vertical ramp to use to get upside down. You have to grab earlier on small ramps and muscle your way into position, so you need to compensate for that change on your way up. I’ve found a slight alleyoop angle on the way up helps. Then, on the re-entry, after you’ve hit your peak, keep your eyes up looking forward and make a conscious effort to keep your back foot underneath you, almost like you’re sitting your butt on your heel and making a very slight fs shifty. Invert reverts (a la DP or Ben Raybourn style with the hand hop) are actually a bit easier on small ramps because you don’t have to deal with all this counterbalancing and can just sort of throw your weight out like a bert slide.
2) Wait. I mean that very literally. Steep ramps are your friend here. If you can plant your hand just below the coping and get your butt above your head upside down, you’re most of the way there. Grab early, go fast, and pull hard. Try to wait till you’re almost upside down to plant your hand. Literally say “wait” or “hold it” in your head if you need to trick yourself. Helps to film it and watch yourself. For example, if you see you’re planting just below coping with a straight arm, then try waiting and planting with a slight bend at the elbow to get a few extra inches.
3) Practice flying out on to the deck with the same grab and plant hand, but with no expectation of going upside down. Then, go a bit faster than that for your actual invert. Bonus, if you get comfortable doing this sort of fly out and rolling back in to the quarter (with the grab and leading your plant hand in front of you on coping) it will be a big confidence boost for the re-entry on normal inverts. Great way to practice where to look and how to sit your weight.
4) I have them pretty well locked on small, steep ramps, but am terrified of them on proper vert. I’ve also known skaters who can do them all day on 13ft vert ramps but can’t fathom them on a 4ft quarter. Two different skill sets, honestly.
Beautiful response friend! Lot of ideas to work with.
How much speed do you usually approach with, namely on a bigger QP? Fast enough to get past the top of course, but more or less than an aerial?
There's a ~6ft ramp at my local that flicks full to vert, but has no vert wall. She's a steep one, but my skate-sense tells me it would work perfect with the right tech and commitment.
Oh yeah, sounds like a perfect quarter for it! I’d say about the same amount of speed as a knee/thigh high bs air (scoop or early grab style, not Ollie). For me, they were super scary to learn and natural hesitancy usually keeps me from going too fast. I have made that mistake a few times since learning them, but it gets easier to feel out with time.
With the right amount of speed, you’ll be upside down with a straight arm, but you won’t feel like your plant hand is bearing too much weight. That’s when you know you’ve got the sweet spot.
Good luck! Definitely keep us posted on the progress
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I somehow lost fs blunts :(
Any angle going up feels wrong, I end up either fucking up the pop out completely or underrotating. It used to be easy and now I'm doing something extremely wrong and can't get the feel back.
Someone here got a good one and can help me out?
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I somehow lost fs blunts :(
Any angle going up feels wrong, I end up either fucking up the pop out completely or underrotating. It used to be easy and now I'm doing something extremely wrong and can't get the feel back.
Someone here got a good one and can help me out?
Front blunts have been one of those tricks I was never keen to commit to, but here are a few things I worked out that make things happen more as they should.
I would never get down low enough to get the motion of a fakie frontside 180, but the lower body always turned before the upper body did. Once I got the upper body to turn with some momentum, then things got around way more easily, landing more 180 rather than just 90 or 120 and carve or tic tac out.
I could do back side blunts every other go, which are way more a toe side trick, whereas front blunts are way more a heel side trick, in that I needed to get my body weight over my heel side a lot more to get the pop out more easily. This is not sliding or anything fancy, just the straight up blunt, then pop in motion, but if my weight was nowhere near far enough over to the heel side / front side, I would either not land my back foot on or manual out which didn't end nicely.
If I landed standing too tall, I would often end up with wheelbite or slip out, so I had to get the whole trick, especially the landing being more crouched and keep more turning motion on the back foot rather than the front and it was easier to ride out that way too. Landing too tall, or in a pivot motion meant I was more likely to come off.
Seeing some of the people do them with such explosive snap and pop with a full frontside 180 in the air and all in one kind of motion is amazing, but for everyone else, to get up on there and almost turn more than pop them in seems a lot more common, especially on things that are not so steep or tall.
I have some videos, but that is probably enough for now anyway.
Does it even make sense? It is past 2 am here right now.
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
Jump up and away from the ramp, not just up if that makes sense. Idk, that was how it was taught to me, I haven’t filmed a good one since I got them but I have them pretty decent now and that was the only thing that helped
EDIT: oh yeah, they’re really easy to “cheat” if you start carving into the Ollie before you pop it. It’s not an Ollie 180 as much as it is an Ollie while turning frontside. I normally wait to pop it until my front wheels are almost/have actually popped over the coping
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
I learned how to ollie over coping a few months ago out of nowhere. You can sort of just kickturn off the coping to catch air. Once you get that motion down you can figure out how to scoop them higher. Backside was sort of the same thing-just scoop the tail to catch air
Grabs are not really working for me still. I got pretty wrecked on a backside nosegrab air(whatever it’s called) and gave myself a hipper that I keep slamming on. I’m in my 30’s so I just ordered some hip pads today for ramp skating. I’m leaning closer and closer to fully padding up too
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
I'm pretty mids at this trick, but sometimes can pull a good one off. For me, it seems to take a fair amount of focus to do it well.
Main thing that comes to mind is I stay pretty heavy in the backseat. Let the front get really lightfooted towards the top of the ramp and explode off the tail. Popping off and away from the ramp is also a helpful mindset. Luckily, if it feels wrong, its easy enough to kick out. Don't commit if it doesn't feel like its gonna stick.
Angling into the ollie is helpful to learn, but I can't make em look very good unless I come up pretty straight.
I think there's a certain confidence and "muscle" that makes the trick work. To get a good one I have to go fast, stay low, get aggressive with the pop, and stay cool in the air. I don't really think about landing too much, mostly just compress into the transition and keep it stable. Just know the trick is gonna work.
I would also FS ollie anything in my path when I was learning it (still do lol). Find out how they work and just keep pushing the speed and aggression.
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So, who's got the secret to inverts? There's a quote from Grosso in Loveletters, something like "one time you're gonna flip onto your head, and lightbulb will go off". I've gotten some dogshit ones, just below coping on a steeper 4' QP, but keep noticing problems that I'm having trouble correcting.
1. I always throw the rotation too far and go in fakie. Which is kinda cool, but not the trick I'm craving.
2. Getting hand on coping and extending to the stall. Obviously this is tougher on a smaller ramp w/o vert, but even getting planted on coping is tripping me up. I imagine getting a more solid plant and stall might help with over-rotating
3. In the same vein as the prior, the Goldilocks amount of speed. Too slow and you won't get there or extended out of the ramp, too fast and you just blow out. Finding the speed to flip yourself to that point is hit or miss for me.
4. Do I just need the confidence of having it on lock to commit to larger ramps?
Speaking about normal ass, slob grab handplant, but any tips on Andrechts would be cool too! Just haven't dabbled to much since trying the OG.
Not the secret to real ones (proper vert ramp with a bonk, air/grab, then plant style), but I’ve pulled my fair share of muscled up ones on smaller ramps. Steep 4-6 foot is my jam for these.
1) In my experience, over-rotating is the easiest problem to have with these on small ramps. That’s because the trick changes when you don’t have a big vertical ramp to use to get upside down. You have to grab earlier on small ramps and muscle your way into position, so you need to compensate for that change on your way up. I’ve found a slight alleyoop angle on the way up helps. Then, on the re-entry, after you’ve hit your peak, keep your eyes up looking forward and make a conscious effort to keep your back foot underneath you, almost like you’re sitting your butt on your heel and making a very slight fs shifty. Invert reverts (a la DP or Ben Raybourn style with the hand hop) are actually a bit easier on small ramps because you don’t have to deal with all this counterbalancing and can just sort of throw your weight out like a bert slide.
2) Wait. I mean that very literally. Steep ramps are your friend here. If you can plant your hand just below the coping and get your butt above your head upside down, you’re most of the way there. Grab early, go fast, and pull hard. Try to wait till you’re almost upside down to plant your hand. Literally say “wait” or “hold it” in your head if you need to trick yourself. Helps to film it and watch yourself. For example, if you see you’re planting just below coping with a straight arm, then try waiting and planting with a slight bend at the elbow to get a few extra inches.
3) Practice flying out on to the deck with the same grab and plant hand, but with no expectation of going upside down. Then, go a bit faster than that for your actual invert. Bonus, if you get comfortable doing this sort of fly out and rolling back in to the quarter (with the grab and leading your plant hand in front of you on coping) it will be a big confidence boost for the re-entry on normal inverts. Great way to practice where to look and how to sit your weight.
4) I have them pretty well locked on small, steep ramps, but am terrified of them on proper vert. I’ve also known skaters who can do them all day on 13ft vert ramps but can’t fathom them on a 4ft quarter. Two different skill sets, honestly.
Beautiful response friend! Lot of ideas to work with.
How much speed do you usually approach with, namely on a bigger QP? Fast enough to get past the top of course, but more or less than an aerial?
There's a ~6ft ramp at my local that flicks full to vert, but has no vert wall. She's a steep one, but my skate-sense tells me it would work perfect with the right tech and commitment.
Oh yeah, sounds like a perfect quarter for it! I’d say about the same amount of speed as a knee/thigh high bs air (scoop or early grab style, not Ollie). For me, they were super scary to learn and natural hesitancy usually keeps me from going too fast. I have made that mistake a few times since learning them, but it gets easier to feel out with time.
With the right amount of speed, you’ll be upside down with a straight arm, but you won’t feel like your plant hand is bearing too much weight. That’s when you know you’ve got the sweet spot.
Good luck! Definitely keep us posted on the progress
Threw a handful of these out on the 4' go-to QP the last few sessions. Kinda pussyfooted trying to handplant that 6' but it still feels a ways out.
The concept of the extra lil "wait" was super helpful. I've gotten more acclimated to getting out of the ramp and stall a touch longer on the hand. Still working up to planting the coping, but the whole move is feeling more proper. I've noticed there's a certain "stomp" tech to land it - it doesn't seem like you just "fall" in but rather force the landing.
If I get to a point that it isn't embarrassing, maybe I'll take a clip so we can see what I'm working with
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
the secret is that you come at it at a 45 degree angle so you only have to do a FS "90" as opposed to a 180
start learning them at the bottom of a ramp & progressively bring them higher and higher
then when its time to go above coping, just commit and keep those knees sucked in
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
the secret is that you come at it at a 45 degree angle so you only have to do a FS "90" as opposed to a 180
start learning them at the bottom of a ramp & progressively bring them higher and higher
then when its time to go above coping, just commit and keep those knees sucked in
Yeah, I got one the other day. Just a little above the coping and landing way too down on the transition for my liking, but it's a start.
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
the secret is that you come at it at a 45 degree angle so you only have to do a FS "90" as opposed to a 180
start learning them at the bottom of a ramp & progressively bring them higher and higher
then when its time to go above coping, just commit and keep those knees sucked in
Yeah, I got one the other day. Just a little above the coping and landing way too down on the transition for my liking, but it's a start.
That's a whole lot better than clipping the wheels on the way back in or actually hanging up, cause I have seen a few people do that a bit too often and it is better to land a bit too far out than not enough.
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
the secret is that you come at it at a 45 degree angle so you only have to do a FS "90" as opposed to a 180
start learning them at the bottom of a ramp & progressively bring them higher and higher
then when its time to go above coping, just commit and keep those knees sucked in
Yeah, I got one the other day. Just a little above the coping and landing way too down on the transition for my liking, but it's a start.
That's a whole lot better than clipping the wheels on the way back in or actually hanging up, cause I have seen a few people do that a bit too often and it is better to land a bit too far out than not enough.
At first I thought it went basically straight to bottom, but it didn’t look too bad on video.
I wanna get a proper fs air next, but my local doesn’t really have transition. Only jersey barrier type or way too small.
Should maybe build one this summer.
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Any help with fs ollies?
Don’t really even skate transition too much anymore but they look so good and fun when done properly.
the secret is that you come at it at a 45 degree angle so you only have to do a FS "90" as opposed to a 180
start learning them at the bottom of a ramp & progressively bring them higher and higher
then when its time to go above coping, just commit and keep those knees sucked in
Yeah, I got one the other day. Just a little above the coping and landing way too down on the transition for my liking, but it's a start.
That's a whole lot better than clipping the wheels on the way back in or actually hanging up, cause I have seen a few people do that a bit too often and it is better to land a bit too far out than not enough.
At first I thought it went basically straight to bottom, but it didn’t look too bad on video.
I wanna get a proper fs air next, but my local doesn’t really have transition. Only jersey barrier type or way too small.
Should maybe build one this summer.
This convo got me working on my FS ollies more. Its kind of a crazy one to build confidence on. I can pop over coping fairly decent, even get a itty-bit of "float" some times -
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Frontside ollie on transition is one of the best feeling tricks there is. A lot is in the shoulders, I actually wouldn't recommend approaching the trick at an angle myself, a lot of the proper boost is from coming in straight, all you need to open is your upper body, you should be facing the coping if not looking past it already before you even pop but your board itself should be almost perpendicular. And then your hips follow through and your feet just help guide the board around as you turn. Foot placement I also find to be interestingly important, something with having both feet really nested inside the board and preparing like you would to boost a high ollie on flat (vs. a lazy one) helps you keep 'gripping' to it throughout the trick I feel like, you'll know it when you start feeling it.
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I prefer straight on as well, feels similar to a 180 on flat. Going at an angle is terrifying even with a grab but I would assume working up to that would make you better and well rounded for your bowl skills
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So, who's got the secret to inverts? There's a quote from Grosso in Loveletters, something like "one time you're gonna flip onto your head, and lightbulb will go off". I've gotten some dogshit ones, just below coping on a steeper 4' QP, but keep noticing problems that I'm having trouble correcting.
1. I always throw the rotation too far and go in fakie. Which is kinda cool, but not the trick I'm craving.
2. Getting hand on coping and extending to the stall. Obviously this is tougher on a smaller ramp w/o vert, but even getting planted on coping is tripping me up. I imagine getting a more solid plant and stall might help with over-rotating
3. In the same vein as the prior, the Goldilocks amount of speed. Too slow and you won't get there or extended out of the ramp, too fast and you just blow out. Finding the speed to flip yourself to that point is hit or miss for me.
4. Do I just need the confidence of having it on lock to commit to larger ramps?
Speaking about normal ass, slob grab handplant, but any tips on Andrechts would be cool too! Just haven't dabbled to much since trying the OG.
Not the secret to real ones (proper vert ramp with a bonk, air/grab, then plant style), but I’ve pulled my fair share of muscled up ones on smaller ramps. Steep 4-6 foot is my jam for these.
1) In my experience, over-rotating is the easiest problem to have with these on small ramps. That’s because the trick changes when you don’t have a big vertical ramp to use to get upside down. You have to grab earlier on small ramps and muscle your way into position, so you need to compensate for that change on your way up. I’ve found a slight alleyoop angle on the way up helps. Then, on the re-entry, after you’ve hit your peak, keep your eyes up looking forward and make a conscious effort to keep your back foot underneath you, almost like you’re sitting your butt on your heel and making a very slight fs shifty. Invert reverts (a la DP or Ben Raybourn style with the hand hop) are actually a bit easier on small ramps because you don’t have to deal with all this counterbalancing and can just sort of throw your weight out like a bert slide.
2) Wait. I mean that very literally. Steep ramps are your friend here. If you can plant your hand just below the coping and get your butt above your head upside down, you’re most of the way there. Grab early, go fast, and pull hard. Try to wait till you’re almost upside down to plant your hand. Literally say “wait” or “hold it” in your head if you need to trick yourself. Helps to film it and watch yourself. For example, if you see you’re planting just below coping with a straight arm, then try waiting and planting with a slight bend at the elbow to get a few extra inches.
3) Practice flying out on to the deck with the same grab and plant hand, but with no expectation of going upside down. Then, go a bit faster than that for your actual invert. Bonus, if you get comfortable doing this sort of fly out and rolling back in to the quarter (with the grab and leading your plant hand in front of you on coping) it will be a big confidence boost for the re-entry on normal inverts. Great way to practice where to look and how to sit your weight.
4) I have them pretty well locked on small, steep ramps, but am terrified of them on proper vert. I’ve also known skaters who can do them all day on 13ft vert ramps but can’t fathom them on a 4ft quarter. Two different skill sets, honestly.
Beautiful response friend! Lot of ideas to work with.
How much speed do you usually approach with, namely on a bigger QP? Fast enough to get past the top of course, but more or less than an aerial?
There's a ~6ft ramp at my local that flicks full to vert, but has no vert wall. She's a steep one, but my skate-sense tells me it would work perfect with the right tech and commitment.
Oh yeah, sounds like a perfect quarter for it! I’d say about the same amount of speed as a knee/thigh high bs air (scoop or early grab style, not Ollie). For me, they were super scary to learn and natural hesitancy usually keeps me from going too fast. I have made that mistake a few times since learning them, but it gets easier to feel out with time.
With the right amount of speed, you’ll be upside down with a straight arm, but you won’t feel like your plant hand is bearing too much weight. That’s when you know you’ve got the sweet spot.
Good luck! Definitely keep us posted on the progress
Threw a handful of these out on the 4' go-to QP the last few sessions. Kinda pussyfooted trying to handplant that 6' but it still feels a ways out.
The concept of the extra lil "wait" was super helpful. I've gotten more acclimated to getting out of the ramp and stall a touch longer on the hand. Still working up to planting the coping, but the whole move is feeling more proper. I've noticed there's a certain "stomp" tech to land it - it doesn't seem like you just "fall" in but rather force the landing.
If I get to a point that it isn't embarrassing, maybe I'll take a clip so we can see what I'm working with
Aye I finally stuck one that was half decent! Haven't worked this hard on a trick in a while
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrRcanuA6m4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
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Aye I finally stuck one that was half decent! Haven't worked this hard on a trick in a while
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrRcanuA6m4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
Yeah that one looked good.
I also thought the wall banger invert off that small quarter was pretty cool too.
Some things just work like that, thinking out of the box.
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Aye I finally stuck one that was half decent! Haven't worked this hard on a trick in a while
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrRcanuA6m4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
Yeah that one looked good.
I also thought the wall banger invert off that small quarter was pretty cool too.
Some things just work like that, thinking out of the box.
Thanks guy! That wall bash is super fun, one of the first spots that worked when I was learning em. Helped find that balance point and could lean into it.
Guess it's time to push it and see if I can get inverted on legit vert
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Anybody have any bs tailside on transition keys or advice? I can bs tail stall with no ollie. I also have fs tailsides (with an ollie) on lock and bs disasters too.
I feel like bs tailside is one of the ultimate transition tricks but can’t get comfortable with anyway I try it
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Anybody have any bs tailside on transition keys or advice? I can bs tail stall with no ollie. I also have fs tailsides (with an ollie) on lock and bs disasters too.
I feel like bs tailside is one of the ultimate transition tricks but can’t get comfortable with anyway I try it
i dont have them, but often get into them by over rotating a back 5-0 (no pop like you). just the same way you can over rotate a front 5-0 to tailslide with no pop
i never really tried to get them, but im sure if you just keep your shoulders parallel with the coping, you could probably learn the no pop version in a day if you already have back 5-0s solid
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Anybody have any bs tailside on transition keys or advice? I can bs tail stall with no ollie. I also have fs tailsides (with an ollie) on lock and bs disasters too.
I feel like bs tailside is one of the ultimate transition tricks but can’t get comfortable with anyway I try it
I can give you the worst best key: Do exactly the same thing as a fs tailslide, but bs. Same angle, same distance to the coping, same scoopy pop.
To get over the fear of sliding, I recommend doing bs 5050 grind to bs tails first. Or 5-0 if that's easier for you
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Anybody have any bs tailside on transition keys or advice? I can bs tail stall with no ollie. I also have fs tailsides (with an ollie) on lock and bs disasters too.
I feel like bs tailside is one of the ultimate transition tricks but can’t get comfortable with anyway I try it
Funny enough, I've been working on this one recently too. I'm kinda just going for it, just to see what works and what doesn't.
I notice I have better success if I keep back arm close to my body and use the momentum from my hip and shoulder to whip the tail in. Really throwing that weight and almost over-rotating makes the connection feel quicker and sets my body into a position that feels 'right'. I haven't been able to really sliiiide, but can squeak a couple inches if my heel doesn't drag.
Definitely gotta stand on your toes to push the slide, but that obviously amps the slip out factor.
Anyone have a suggestion on the best size/shape QP for these?
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Anybody have any bs tailside on transition keys or advice? I can bs tail stall with no ollie. I also have fs tailsides (with an ollie) on lock and bs disasters too.
I feel like bs tailside is one of the ultimate transition tricks but can’t get comfortable with anyway I try it
Funny enough, I've been working on this one recently too. I'm kinda just going for it, just to see what works and what doesn't.
I notice I have better success if I keep back arm close to my body and use the momentum from my hip and shoulder to whip the tail in. Really throwing that weight and almost over-rotating makes the connection feel quicker and sets my body into a position that feels 'right'. I haven't been able to really sliiiide, but can squeak a couple inches if my heel doesn't drag.
Definitely gotta stand on your toes to push the slide, but that obviously amps the slip out factor.
Anyone have a suggestion on the best size/shape QP for these?
Anything that is a little steeper or has coping that sticks up a touch more will often work more easily to get anything to slide, but not so much if the coping sticks out a lot, unless you really power the ollie into tail position, if that makes sense?
Starting learning backside ollie to five oh or even just straight up ollie to tail on a mellow bank or transition edge that is not going to slip out just to get the ollie to lock in going on and staying low so not standing up too tall, then coming into it a bit faster on more of an angle rather than straight up the face, with a lower stance and quicker but small pop will usually get the board to where it needs to be. A bigger pop often ends up with the board almost doing a shove it or something similar, so keeping the board under the back toe is key here.
By working out the ollie round to that position, it is easier to then get it on higher stuff and then in turn get it going more easily in places that will result in a slide and not just to tail stop and drop back in.
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Frontside ollie on transition is one of the best feeling tricks there is. A lot is in the shoulders, I actually wouldn't recommend approaching the trick at an angle myself, a lot of the proper boost is from coming in straight, all you need to open is your upper body, you should be facing the coping if not looking past it already before you even pop but your board itself should be almost perpendicular. And then your hips follow through and your feet just help guide the board around as you turn. Foot placement I also find to be interestingly important, something with having both feet really nested inside the board and preparing like you would to boost a high ollie on flat (vs. a lazy one) helps you keep 'gripping' to it throughout the trick I feel like, you'll know it when you start feeling it.
I agree. I like to ones where you got straight up and down. Pretend the ramp is like 2' wide. Kinda swoosh it later and later till it's all legs.
My dream once was to do a big bs Ollie on the very ramp that was here long ago.
I'd die for a real very ramp. I bet I could learn to Mac twank no problem. 18 months topos of I had a real wooden ramp nearby. And a helmet some knee pads. I don't think I can take much more hip damage.
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Some back tail inspiration
(https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1_Julien_Stranger_TentCity_Tailslide.jpg)
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/262338065/0010-80-02-Stranger_Yelland_PRINT.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=1000&w=1000)
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how to i start learning nosegrinds? (front or back, i have no preference)
ive seen people ride into it, is that easier than popping into it?
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For those who can blunt fakie: are you in the manual down the transition camp or ollie back into the transition gang?
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I was in the ollie back in camp and I had them absolutely nailed on anything, could blunt fakie an 8ft with my eyes closed. Then I learned to manual back in just for fun and the ollies in have never been the same, can't do them on big ramps much at all as they don't feel like they're going to come back in. Moral of the story - learn the ollie version.Only benefit is if I do try and pop in and don't get enough pop to clear the coping I can save it by landing on the back wheels. But that only really works up to about 5ft.
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how to i start learning nosegrinds? (front or back, i have no preference)
ive seen people ride into it, is that easier than popping into it?
There are people who can do them more like a nosegrind on a ledge or flatbar, either ollie into or roll into them, which is right on top of the coping, and then there is the other one almost more like a nose manual across a face of a bank, or at least that is a really good way to learn them to get up a bit higher and higher until you touch coping, but not usually get up on top.
One trick that can help too is a very gentle nose tap revert, so not quite like a nose stall, or nose slide on a ledge, but coming up with front foot on the nose, often on a bit of an angle, push up into the nose stall and go almost more to crooks, grind for a bit and then revert / turn out.
That is one that I often go to, which is a little easier and kind of lazy but it is a good one to get the balance on to then be able to get them up higher or better once you get the feel for it.
Just doing mini nose manuals are a good start though, be it on banks, on transition or anything that you can either roll into or ollie into, depending on what else you are used to doing on other terrain.
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For those who can blunt fakie: are you in the manual down the transition camp or ollie back into the transition gang?
Learned them with a ollie all the way back into the ramp. Then I learned peterblunts, where I ollie into the peter blunt and go down in a manual.
After that I completely lost blunt to fakies. Not that I had them good, but I couldn't do them for a while. I just relearned them a year ago, but I barely pop them now, I just lift my back wheels over the coping and manual down.
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how to i start learning nosegrinds? (front or back, i have no preference)
ive seen people ride into it, is that easier than popping into it?
There are people who can do them more like a nosegrind on a ledge or flatbar, either ollie into or roll into them, which is right on top of the coping, and then there is the other one almost more like a nose manual across a face of a bank, or at least that is a really good way to learn them to get up a bit higher and higher until you touch coping, but not usually get up on top.
One trick that can help too is a very gentle nose tap revert, so not quite like a nose stall, or nose slide on a ledge, but coming up with front foot on the nose, often on a bit of an angle, push up into the nose stall and go almost more to crooks, grind for a bit and then revert / turn out.
That is one that I often go to, which is a little easier and kind of lazy but it is a good one to get the balance on to then be able to get them up higher or better once you get the feel for it.
Just doing mini nose manuals are a good start though, be it on banks, on transition or anything that you can either roll into or ollie into, depending on what else you are used to doing on other terrain.
thank you g, you always give solid advice
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Frontside ollie on transition is one of the best feeling tricks there is. A lot is in the shoulders, I actually wouldn't recommend approaching the trick at an angle myself, a lot of the proper boost is from coming in straight, all you need to open is your upper body, you should be facing the coping if not looking past it already before you even pop but your board itself should be almost perpendicular. And then your hips follow through and your feet just help guide the board around as you turn. Foot placement I also find to be interestingly important, something with having both feet really nested inside the board and preparing like you would to boost a high ollie on flat (vs. a lazy one) helps you keep 'gripping' to it throughout the trick I feel like, you'll know it when you start feeling it.
I unlocked 45ers today by barely grazing the pop, but I feel like the straight up and down ones may require more. Is that the case? I sure hope not, because the floaty feeling of the wider fs Ollie felt so good.
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Frontside ollie on transition is one of the best feeling tricks there is. A lot is in the shoulders, I actually wouldn't recommend approaching the trick at an angle myself, a lot of the proper boost is from coming in straight, all you need to open is your upper body, you should be facing the coping if not looking past it already before you even pop but your board itself should be almost perpendicular. And then your hips follow through and your feet just help guide the board around as you turn. Foot placement I also find to be interestingly important, something with having both feet really nested inside the board and preparing like you would to boost a high ollie on flat (vs. a lazy one) helps you keep 'gripping' to it throughout the trick I feel like, you'll know it when you start feeling it.
I unlocked 45ers today by barely grazing the pop, but I feel like the straight up and down ones may require more. Is that the case? I sure hope not, because the floaty feeling of the wider fs Ollie felt so good.
It's probably just about the same rudimentary technique except with time you'll learn to optimize and aim with them a little better, angle depends a lot on what you're skating too, big fat long ramp going sideways whilst carving and clearing a lot of the width feels great, but on something skinnier being able to pump and boost straight up, snap your tail and then turn around completely with just your lower body realigning with your shoulders all the while controlling where you'll be landing also feels amazing. You will develop technique and precision not just with time but also with the more different objects you try the trick on, the diversity in lines and shapes will teach you. And the trick only feels better and better as you yourself get better and more versatile at it. It's a great sensation and one of the most pure and iconic moves of skateboarding there is in my opinion so I'm glad to hear about anyone getting into them, doesn't matter one bit if it's the baby ones or not, they'll improve and develop anyway.
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This might have been discussed earlier but a quick search and thumb through didn't show anything.
How the hell do you get more air time? I'm pretty consistent at shooting frontside airs, but want to blast a FS air like 3-4 feet out.
I haul ass and try to fly, but I level off at less than 2 feet. I've tried popping tail, as well as bonking the coping, but I cannot take off.
Another thought (that seemed to have worked a bit) is holding my hand out farther through the rotation/aerial and shooting my board into it, as opposed to trying to snatch it as it comes off the wall - if that makes sense.
Any thoughts would be appreciated, not many skaters at my local do QP airs like this so I don't really have anyone to ask about their tech
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Hey does anyone have some pointers for ollie into bs crook on ramp?
I can crook ledges comfortably but on ramp I've never been able to get close. I've always had troubles figuring out angle/when/where to ollie. Is it lower in the ramp on the way UP into crook or ollie higher on the ramp and come DOWN into crook?
I can slappy crook to fakie on ramp so I kinda get the difference of being in the transition more to come in fakie vs on top of coping more to go back in straight (and sometimes grind longer). Been struggling for years, playing with/half assing them every now and then. I'm sure once I get the ollie in figured out I've got the rest ok but any tips would be great :)
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Hey does anyone have some pointers for ollie into bs crook on ramp?
I can crook ledges comfortably but on ramp I've never been able to get close. I've always had troubles figuring out angle/when/where to ollie. Is it lower in the ramp on the way UP into crook or ollie higher on the ramp and come DOWN into crook?
I can slappy crook to fakie on ramp so I kinda get the difference of being in the transition more to come in fakie vs on top of coping more to go back in straight (and sometimes grind longer). Been struggling for years, playing with/half assing them every now and then. I'm sure once I get the ollie in figured out I've got the rest ok but any tips would be great :)
just realized ive never tried to do this, makes me wanna try
Initial thought is to come at super mellow angle and like *skip* up and into the pinch, aiming like its a ledge
hitting it on a anything bigger than a small qp sounds scary as hell
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Hey does anyone have some pointers for ollie into bs crook on ramp?
I can crook ledges comfortably but on ramp I've never been able to get close. I've always had troubles figuring out angle/when/where to ollie. Is it lower in the ramp on the way UP into crook or ollie higher on the ramp and come DOWN into crook?
I can slappy crook to fakie on ramp so I kinda get the difference of being in the transition more to come in fakie vs on top of coping more to go back in straight (and sometimes grind longer). Been struggling for years, playing with/half assing them every now and then. I'm sure once I get the ollie in figured out I've got the rest ok but any tips would be great :)
just realized ive never tried to do this, makes me wanna try
Initial thought is to come at super mellow angle and like *skip* up and into the pinch, aiming like its a ledge
hitting it on a anything bigger than a small qp sounds scary as hell
Others I know used to do really fast smallish ollies and mainly just jam it in there to hold as long as possible, more so on a wider ramp or something that had enough width to not only carve up into but then be able to roll out.
Do you do them going back in forwards, fakie or both?
Either way, the getting into it is the same, so compared to a ledge where you are right up on top of it, on a ramp it is more in the ramp than up on top unless you are popping out / off the end of the ramp onto something else, eg to flat, onto a bank, or whatever.
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Hey does anyone have some pointers for ollie into bs crook on ramp?
I can crook ledges comfortably but on ramp I've never been able to get close. I've always had troubles figuring out angle/when/where to ollie. Is it lower in the ramp on the way UP into crook or ollie higher on the ramp and come DOWN into crook?
I can slappy crook to fakie on ramp so I kinda get the difference of being in the transition more to come in fakie vs on top of coping more to go back in straight (and sometimes grind longer). Been struggling for years, playing with/half assing them every now and then. I'm sure once I get the ollie in figured out I've got the rest ok but any tips would be great :)
just realized ive never tried to do this, makes me wanna try
Initial thought is to come at super mellow angle and like *skip* up and into the pinch, aiming like its a ledge
hitting it on a anything bigger than a small qp sounds scary as hell
Others I know used to do really fast smallish ollies and mainly just jam it in there to hold as long as possible, more so on a wider ramp or something that had enough width to not only carve up into but then be able to roll out.
Do you do them going back in forwards, fakie or both?
Either way, the getting into it is the same, so compared to a ledge where you are right up on top of it, on a ramp it is more in the ramp than up on top unless you are popping out / off the end of the ramp onto something else, eg to flat, onto a bank, or whatever.
(speaking to the slappy/ride-on version) fakie is definitely more natural, but i can force it out forward. body tends to want to nosegrind if i'm planning on exiting forward tho, plus its usually way sloppy lol
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Tried a few yesterday and couldnt lock one in :'( Got a few rat ollie to nose stalls though haha