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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: busch on February 19, 2021, 01:29:53 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CLeg_flldme/?igshid=nj5v4s2b2iaf
I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
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Fuck nike
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Fuck Nike
It's astounding anyone can support these scumbags
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CLeg_flldme/?igshid=nj5v4s2b2iaf
I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
Fake news that gets recycled every 2 years.
If your shop goes out of business due to the lack access for more popular Nike SB shoes, there's a good chance your shop sucked to begin with.
I have not seen a shop 'close' due to Nike SB, but uh yeah, keep fighting the good fight.
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I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
Fake news that gets recycled every 2 years.
If your shop goes out of business due to the lack access for more popular Nike SB shoes, there's a good chance your shop sucked to begin with.
I have not seen a shop 'close' due to Nike SB, but uh yeah, keep fighting the good fight.
I don’t have a local shop that isn’t lame so I don’t know. I don’t even care that much I was just surprised someone didn’t already start the topic.
I’m speculating off shit I’ve read/the way it seems like it naturally would go. The way I see it is that the younger generation likes Nike, that isn’t going away, but if Nike pulls the account from a local shop those kids can’t get what they want there anymore so they stop shopping there. This is out of the shops hands. The kids then buy them online or wherever else and that shop just lost a customer. If this happens enough times over that shop loses a lot of customers and without those customers that shop is not a shop. Is that that crazy to understand? Do you work for Nike? Do you care that much?
I know a shop that closed 100% due to owing Nike too much money from them sending a bunch of bs they were required to carry in order to get the “cool” shoes and this was like 15 years ago. It’s not like it doesn’t/hasn’t happened. Do you live in a skateboarding hot spot? Cause you may just not see it in a place where it’s thriving
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That video was so fucking corny. I feel embarrassed for anyone involved.
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CLeg_flldme/?igshid=nj5v4s2b2iaf
I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
Fake news that gets recycled every 2 years.
If your shop goes out of business due to the lack access for more popular Nike SB shoes, there's a good chance your shop sucked to begin with.
I have not seen a shop 'close' due to Nike SB, but uh yeah, keep fighting the good fight.
I’m speculating off shit I’ve read/the way it seems like it naturally would go. The way I see it is that the younger generation likes Nike, that isn’t going away, but if Nike pulls the account from a local shop those kids can’t get what they want there anymore so they stop shopping there. This is out of the shops hands. The kids then buy them online or wherever else and that shop just lost a customer. If this happens enough times over that shop loses a lot of customers and without those customers that shop is not a shop. Is that that crazy to understand? Do you work for Nike? Do you care that much?
I know a shop that closed 100% due to owing Nike too much money from them sending a bunch of bs they were required to carry in order to get the “cool” shoes and this was like 15 years ago. It’s not like it doesn’t/hasn’t happened. Do you live in a skateboarding hot spot? Cause you may just not see it in a place where it’s thriving
Yeah no shit you're speculating. What shops are currently on the brink of closing/have closed due to their Nike SB accounts being closed off? One shop closing 15 years doesn't make it a precedent. You're saying it will/likely/already has happened.I also love how on Slap when you have a difference of opinion the default question is "Do you work for x?". I don't particularly care for Nike SB either.
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I went on the Baker site to look something up, and it was closed with a message saying "Support your local shop!" which is pretty cool.
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I went on the Baker site to look something up, and it was closed with a message saying "Support your local shop!" which is pretty cool.
DC doing that too I hear
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That video was so fucking corny. I feel embarrassed for anyone involved.
Yep so contrived.
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CLeg_flldme/?igshid=nj5v4s2b2iaf
I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
Fake news that gets recycled every 2 years.
If your shop goes out of business due to the lack access for more popular Nike SB shoes, there's a good chance your shop sucked to begin with.
I have not seen a shop 'close' due to Nike SB, but uh yeah, keep fighting the good fight.
I’m speculating off shit I’ve read/the way it seems like it naturally would go. The way I see it is that the younger generation likes Nike, that isn’t going away, but if Nike pulls the account from a local shop those kids can’t get what they want there anymore so they stop shopping there. This is out of the shops hands. The kids then buy them online or wherever else and that shop just lost a customer. If this happens enough times over that shop loses a lot of customers and without those customers that shop is not a shop. Is that that crazy to understand? Do you work for Nike? Do you care that much?
I know a shop that closed 100% due to owing Nike too much money from them sending a bunch of bs they were required to carry in order to get the “cool” shoes and this was like 15 years ago. It’s not like it doesn’t/hasn’t happened. Do you live in a skateboarding hot spot? Cause you may just not see it in a place where it’s thriving
Yeah no shit you're speculating. What shops are currently on the brink of closing/have closed due to their Nike SB accounts being closed off? One shop closing 15 years doesn't make it a precedent. You're saying it will/likely/already has happened.I also love how on Slap when you have a difference of opinion the default question is "Do you work for x?". I don't particularly care for Nike SB either.
You’re right I don’t think you work for Nike sb. I’m starting to think that you ARE a Nike sb cause you really do seem to care. It’s all good, baby!
For real though if you think a place going out of business due to the inability to get a product that the majority of its customer base wants isn’t a realistic scenario you really might actually be a sneaker.
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I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
Fake news that gets recycled every 2 years.
If your shop goes out of business due to the lack access for more popular Nike SB shoes, there's a good chance your shop sucked to begin with.
I have not seen a shop 'close' due to Nike SB, but uh yeah, keep fighting the good fight.
I’m speculating off shit I’ve read/the way it seems like it naturally would go. The way I see it is that the younger generation likes Nike, that isn’t going away, but if Nike pulls the account from a local shop those kids can’t get what they want there anymore so they stop shopping there. This is out of the shops hands. The kids then buy them online or wherever else and that shop just lost a customer. If this happens enough times over that shop loses a lot of customers and without those customers that shop is not a shop. Is that that crazy to understand? Do you work for Nike? Do you care that much?
I know a shop that closed 100% due to owing Nike too much money from them sending a bunch of bs they were required to carry in order to get the “cool” shoes and this was like 15 years ago. It’s not like it doesn’t/hasn’t happened. Do you live in a skateboarding hot spot? Cause you may just not see it in a place where it’s thriving
Yeah no shit you're speculating. What shops are currently on the brink of closing/have closed due to their Nike SB accounts being closed off? One shop closing 15 years doesn't make it a precedent. You're saying it will/likely/already has happened.I also love how on Slap when you have a difference of opinion the default question is "Do you work for x?". I don't particularly care for Nike SB either.
You’re right I don’t think you work for Nike sb. I’m starting to think that you ARE a Nike sb cause you really do seem to care. It’s all good, baby!
For real though if you think a place going out of business due to the inability to get a product that the majority of its customer base wants isn’t a realistic scenario you really might actually be a sneaker.
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Why didn't Nike do any skate shop day products like DLX, New Balance, Emerica and Vans? Even Russel brand made sweatshirts for shops lol. Nike is the same ones who make SB dunks that skaters dont even get a chance of buying to skate in anymore.
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CLeg_flldme/?igshid=nj5v4s2b2iaf
I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
Fake news that gets recycled every 2 years.
If your shop goes out of business due to the lack access for more popular Nike SB shoes, there's a good chance your shop sucked to begin with.
I have not seen a shop 'close' due to Nike SB, but uh yeah, keep fighting the good fight.
I’m speculating off shit I’ve read/the way it seems like it naturally would go. The way I see it is that the younger generation likes Nike, that isn’t going away, but if Nike pulls the account from a local shop those kids can’t get what they want there anymore so they stop shopping there. This is out of the shops hands. The kids then buy them online or wherever else and that shop just lost a customer. If this happens enough times over that shop loses a lot of customers and without those customers that shop is not a shop. Is that that crazy to understand? Do you work for Nike? Do you care that much?
I know a shop that closed 100% due to owing Nike too much money from them sending a bunch of bs they were required to carry in order to get the “cool” shoes and this was like 15 years ago. It’s not like it doesn’t/hasn’t happened. Do you live in a skateboarding hot spot? Cause you may just not see it in a place where it’s thriving
Yeah no shit you're speculating. What shops are currently on the brink of closing/have closed due to their Nike SB accounts being closed off? One shop closing 15 years doesn't make it a precedent. You're saying it will/likely/already has happened.I also love how on Slap when you have a difference of opinion the default question is "Do you work for x?". I don't particularly care for Nike SB either.
You’re right I don’t think you work for Nike sb. I’m starting to think that you ARE a Nike sb cause you really do seem to care. It’s all good, baby!
For real though if you think a place going out of business due to the inability to get a product that the majority of its customer base wants isn’t a realistic scenario you really might actually be a sneaker.
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I fucking KNEW IT!
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Fuck Nike.
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Why didn't Nike do any skate shop day products like DLX, New Balance, Emerica and Vans? Even Russel brand made sweatshirts for shops lol. Nike is the same ones who make SB dunks that skaters dont even get a chance of buying to skate in anymore.
all of those dunks are sold through skate shops and they sell out instantly so I doubt any shops are complaining.
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Why didn't Nike do any skate shop day products like DLX, New Balance, Emerica and Vans? Even Russel brand made sweatshirts for shops lol. Nike is the same ones who make SB dunks that skaters dont even get a chance of buying to skate in anymore.
The shops that have them.... Yes of course
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Just here to put in my 2 cents... fuck nike!
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Looking forward to seeing what Nike has planned for Labor Day!
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Looking forward to seeing what Nike has planned for Labor Day!
Lol
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Looking forward to seeing what Nike has planned for Labor Day!
Holy shit. Wish I could gnar this man
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funny that Nyjah isn't in there.
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I remember seeing the Sixth Ave skatepark dudes in Tennessee being super bummed and posting about how they got an email from Adidas saying that they got their account closed for no reason and a "we wish your shop the best in the future" at the end of the email. This happened to quite a few shops actually.
I've also heard that Nike is only going to be selling to 40 shops by the end of the year as well as Adidas is supposed to stop selling wholesale entirely by 2023.
Anybody got an account that can load up some screenshots to the below article?
https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/ (https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/)
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funny that Nyjah isn't in there.
He's out supporting his local shop
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I remember seeing the Sixth Ave skatepark dudes in Tennessee being super bummed and posting about how they got an email from Adidas saying that they got their account closed for no reason and a "we wish your shop the best in the future" at the end of the email. This happened to quite a few shops actually.
I've also heard that Nike is only going to be selling to 40 shops by the end of the year as well as Adidas is supposed to stop selling wholesale entirely by 2023.
Anybody got an account that can load up some screenshots to the below article?
https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/ (https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/)
Like someone said earlier, these rumors pop up every couple of years. For the entire existence of those message board, actually, so almost 2 decades now. The sky hasn’t fallen, the earth still turns, yadda yadda yadda
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I remember seeing the Sixth Ave skatepark dudes in Tennessee being super bummed and posting about how they got an email from Adidas saying that they got their account closed for no reason and a "we wish your shop the best in the future" at the end of the email. This happened to quite a few shops actually.
I've also heard that Nike is only going to be selling to 40 shops by the end of the year as well as Adidas is supposed to stop selling wholesale entirely by 2023.
Anybody got an account that can load up some screenshots to the below article?
https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/ (https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/)
Like someone said earlier, these rumors pop up every couple of years. For the entire existence of those message board, actually, so almost 2 decades now. The sky hasn’t fallen, the earth still turns, yadda yadda yadda
I dunno, after hearing that adidas skate got rid of their entire sales rep force, it seems more plausible this time around
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I remember seeing the Sixth Ave skatepark dudes in Tennessee being super bummed and posting about how they got an email from Adidas saying that they got their account closed for no reason and a "we wish your shop the best in the future" at the end of the email. This happened to quite a few shops actually.
I've also heard that Nike is only going to be selling to 40 shops by the end of the year as well as Adidas is supposed to stop selling wholesale entirely by 2023.
Anybody got an account that can load up some screenshots to the below article?
https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/ (https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/)
Like someone said earlier, these rumors pop up every couple of years. For the entire existence of those message board, actually, so almost 2 decades now. The sky hasn’t fallen, the earth still turns, yadda yadda yadda
I dunno, after hearing that adidas skate got rid of their entire sales rep force, it seems more plausible this time around
Adidas also dropped a lot of their flow riders.
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I remember seeing the Sixth Ave skatepark dudes in Tennessee being super bummed and posting about how they got an email from Adidas saying that they got their account closed for no reason and a "we wish your shop the best in the future" at the end of the email. This happened to quite a few shops actually.
I've also heard that Nike is only going to be selling to 40 shops by the end of the year as well as Adidas is supposed to stop selling wholesale entirely by 2023.
Anybody got an account that can load up some screenshots to the below article?
https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/ (https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/11/skate-shops-object-to-getting-dumped-by-adidas-and-nike/)
Like someone said earlier, these rumors pop up every couple of years. For the entire existence of those message board, actually, so almost 2 decades now. The sky hasn’t fallen, the earth still turns, yadda yadda yadda
I dunno, after hearing that adidas skate got rid of their entire sales rep force, it seems more plausible this time around
They also dropped a lot of their flow riders.
Won’t someone please think of the flow riders!!!
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is T Huff getting hooked up by Nike (pretty certain he was flow for them 14 years ago) or is Ishod just really going out his way to include him in shit?
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Looking forward to seeing what Nike has planned for Child Labor Day!
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funny that Nyjah isn't in there.
He's out supporting his local shop
LOL
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Nike should be embarrassed posting this after closing 100's of amazing shop doors across the states in the last few months. They don't give two fucks about local shops, they just know skateboarding is a nice way to cash in on some easy $$$.
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Nike should be embarrassed posting this after closing 100's of amazing shop doors across the states in the last few months. They don't give two fucks about local shops, they just know skateboarding is a nice way to cash in on some easy $$$.
Name 2 shops
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Only Nike Shoe i own is a indoor Running shoe i bought 20 Years Ago for Sport class. Still Fine, so Quality was Good but Never would i buy a Nike SB product.
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Isn't it funny they chose 58? (Waits for scurrying sounds of Bobby Puleo to pass before continuing) It seems like a call back to their "I-58 Tour" video they came out with a couple years back.
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Isn't it funny they chose 58? (Waits for scurrying sounds of Bobby Puleo to pass before continuing) It seems like a call back to their "I-58 Tour" video they came out with a couple years back.
Because those numbers resemble SB like in 80085
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This reel is cute and all
but the hypocrisy is off the charts considering they close accounts for no reason (Converse did it without any explanation and despite the fact we're playing our role as a core shop and pay the bills)
They only want shops that move huge quantities and don't adapt minimum quantities to small shops.
If they really care as a company, the "support your local skateshop" motto should not be based on your shop size or having only Nikes on the wall.
only for the happy few
a big sneakers shop is currently faking a new skateshop to get the SB account
is it really supporting skater owned shops when you give SBs to such a shop ?
Speaking of supporting shops, just know that
Converse and Nike were the only brands that REFUSED to reschedule debt during lockdown
please Nike, shut up on skateshop day
PS: not even envious of being a slave to corporate bullshit and managing raffles for morons who don't skate
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This reel is cute and all
but the hypocrisy is off the charts considering they close accounts for no reason (Converse did it without any explanation and despite the fact we're playing our role as a core shop and pay the bills)
They only want shops that move huge quantities and don't adapt minimum quantities to small shops.
If they really care as a company, the "support your local skateshop" motto should not be based on your shop size or having only Nikes on the wall.
only for the happy few
a big sneakers shop is currently faking a new skateshop to get the SB account
is it really supporting skater owned shops when you give SBs to such a shop ?
Speaking of supporting shops, just know that
Converse and Nike were the only brands that REFUSED to reschedule debt during lockdown
please Nike, shut up on skateshop day
Not surprising at all to hear this.
How people can blindly follow them while knowing full well they do this is sickening. They are toxic for skating. Always have been.
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Has anyone tried to acquire Nike for a small, local shop? Was it easy to get? Requirements?
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i still love my zoom blazers mid, sorry slap
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Has anyone tried to acquire Nike for a small, local shop? Was it easy to get? Requirements?
iirc
10000€ (wholesale price) / roughly between 200 and 250 shoe boxes each season
(don't remember if it means each trimester or semester though, either way it's not for small shops especially if you want some diversity on your wall)
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Nike should be embarrassed posting this after closing 100's of amazing shop doors across the states in the last few months. They don't give two fucks about local shops, they just know skateboarding is a nice way to cash in on some easy $$$.
Name 2 shops
You know well they do man c'mon. No need to blindly follow them and defend them.
Look at Balargues post even
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Nike should be embarrassed posting this after closing 100's of amazing shop doors across the states in the last few months. They don't give two fucks about local shops, they just know skateboarding is a nice way to cash in on some easy $$$.
Name 2 shops
You know well they do man c'mon. No need to blindly follow them and defend them.
Look at Balargues post even
Who’s blindly following? I’d say you are blindly opposing. Posters level generalities and unspecific charges against Nike.
Name a shop that had this difficulty or give some firsthand experience of your dealings. It might be more refreshing than the 1) usual baseless accusations that prove to be untrue and 2) people saying “come on, you know it’s true” as if being able to imagine a large company ONLY acts to harm is all the evidence one needs to prove that it’s true.
My local looks like they get treated pretty well by Nike and did quite well during the pandemic, but I know that my LA shop run by two former pros is much different than a shop in say Iowa or somewhere skateboarding might be more niche. There might be one or two shops that have felt the squeeze particularly from Nike (which you just have to name) but I highly doubt Nike is “shutting the doors” on “hundreds” of shops now or has ever. Or just admit you hate Nike regardless of anything positive or negative they do
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This video is not going to age well. Nike is pushing a super agressive direct to consumer strategy and plans to close most of the independent accounts and reduce distribution to a very minimum in the next years. They will keep a select few shops for marketing / storytelling and image purposes in "key cities" and move on.
They could care less about skate shops or mom and pops sports shops that built their brand, they have been closing those accounts the last couple of years without any explanation. So sell those Dunks while you can or save them for Ebay / StockX and maximize those profits while you can.
https://abc7ny.com/the-bronx-franks-sport-shop-sports-east-tremont/6974447/
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Nike should be embarrassed posting this after closing 100's of amazing shop doors across the states in the last few months. They don't give two fucks about local shops, they just know skateboarding is a nice way to cash in on some easy $$$.
Name 2 shops
You know well they do man c'mon. No need to blindly follow them and defend them.
Look at Balargues post even
Who’s blindly following? I’d say you are blindly opposing. Posters level generalities and unspecific charges against Nike.
Name a shop that had this difficulty or give some firsthand experience of your dealings. It might be more refreshing than the 1) usual baseless accusations that prove to be untrue and 2) people saying “come on, you know it’s true” as if being able to imagine a large company ONLY acts to harm is all the evidence one needs to prove that it’s true.
My local looks like they get treated pretty well by Nike and did quite well during the pandemic, but I know that my LA shop run by two former pros is much different than a shop in say Iowa or somewhere skateboarding might be more niche. There might be one or two shops that have felt the squeeze particularly from Nike (which you just have to name) but I highly doubt Nike is “shutting the doors” on “hundreds” of shops now or has ever. Or just admit you hate Nike regardless of anything positive or negative they do
Your right, I do hate nike.
Reasons being
Child labor
Wage exploitation
Forced labor of Uighur people
Endemic sexual harassment by Nike execs on woman as covered by NYT article
Dropping any female like a hot snot once they get pregnant.
The disgusting Hypebeast culture exemplifying everything that is wrong with modern consumerism.
I can't name any skate shop they have fucked over first hand. I'm not involved in the industry. There was a social media campaign recently for skate shops against Nike. Just look at that.
I do want to be offensive but c'mon man it's fried to think Nike has any good intentions in skateboarding whatsoever.
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Nike acting as a huge corporate brand doesn't really bother me. It is what it is
but releasing such a cute video is blatantly lying about them caring about shops
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Drop “any” female athlete? Wasn’t the issue severely reducing the pay of some pregnant female track athletes. I think Serena did ok herself. Not saying it’s not a problem, but when you misrepresent facts, it doesn’t help your case. Also, do you do anything to alleviate the suffering of third world people? Are you volunteering time/money towards charitable causes locally or abroad? Have you written to your representatives? Not liking something personally doesn’t solve anyone’s problem and if you’re going to take such a moralistic stand, I’d hope you’re at least donating a few bucks each month to causes that are working towards exploited peoples’ benefits.
Also, I question why Nike gets dinged above all for these. Adidas and NB likely don’t have rosy histories themselves and I’m sure these “core” shoe companies aren’t stockpiling ethical behavior in their warehouses either, but they are too small for any journalist to cover and there is NO skate journalism or outlet for such an expose be hosted. The Times isnt going to cover Podium Distribution fucking over people and Thrasher/any piece of skate media ain’t fucking with ad buyers. And a culture of not treating women respectfully? I’m going to guess skateboarding isn’t coming up roses in any deep dive. We’ve seen on these boards that very few sponsors take the allegations that get made public seriously.
No company exists except to make money. ANY company pretending their care is a marketing move to some extent. (Jim T is about the only one I’d give the benefit of the doubt to). Supporting this cause and any skate thing is something they all do because it requires little effort and makes them look good. It’s not just Nike.
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Looking forward to seeing what Nike has planned for Labor Day!
Holy shit. Wish I could gnar this man
Done!
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Drop “any” female athlete? Wasn’t the issue severely reducing the pay of some pregnant female track athletes. I think Serena did ok herself. Not saying it’s not a problem, but when you misrepresent facts, it doesn’t help your case. Also, do you do anything to alleviate the suffering of third world people? Are you volunteering time/money towards charitable causes locally or abroad? Have you written to your representatives? Not liking something personally doesn’t solve anyone’s problem and if you’re going to take such a moralistic stand, I’d hope you’re at least donating a few bucks each month to causes that are working towards exploited peoples’ benefits.
Also, I question why Nike gets dinged above all for these. Adidas and NB likely don’t have rosy histories themselves and I’m sure these “core” shoe companies aren’t stockpiling ethical behavior in their warehouses either, but they are too small for any journalist to cover and there is NO skate journalism or outlet for such an expose be hosted. The Times isnt going to cover Podium Distribution fucking over people and Thrasher/any piece of skate media ain’t fucking with ad buyers. And a culture of not treating women respectfully? I’m going to guess skateboarding isn’t coming up roses in any deep dive. We’ve seen on these boards that very few sponsors take the allegations that get made public seriously.
No company exists except to make money. ANY company pretending their care is a marketing move to some extent. (Jim T is about the only one I’d give the benefit of the doubt to). Supporting this cause and any skate thing is something they all do because it requires little effort and makes them look good. It’s not just Nike.
I dont know what you're arguing about. You asked me why I hate them. I told you why.
Yes other companies do some or most of those things but as sum total of bad deeds and scumbaggery. Nike is the worst by a long shot. It's fucking nike man c'mon.
Anyway. That's why I don't like them. I respect that you feel differently.
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This reel is cute and all
but the hypocrisy is off the charts considering they close accounts for no reason (Converse did it without any explanation and despite the fact we're playing our role as a core shop and pay the bills)
They only want shops that move huge quantities and don't adapt minimum quantities to small shops.
If they really care as a company, the "support your local skateshop" motto should not be based on your shop size or having only Nikes on the wall.
only for the happy few
a big sneakers shop is currently faking a new skateshop to get the SB account
is it really supporting skater owned shops when you give SBs to such a shop ?
Speaking of supporting shops, just know that
Converse and Nike were the only brands that REFUSED to reschedule debt during lockdown
please Nike, shut up on skateshop day
PS: not even envious of being a slave to corporate bullshit and managing raffles for morons who don't skate
This testimony is compelling. The skateshop matters a lot to me, I think it's a really special part of skateboarding and it sucks seeing shops suffer from policies held by companies preaching "support the shop." Nike/cons not adapting to smaller shops with order sizes does render the message of this video blatantly hypocritical, but how do other big companies do it? I have a feeling if someone like Vans can adapt orders for smaller shops, Nike/cons, adidas, and others could too. I have no idea if they actually do this, I don't run a shop and I never worked in one. I know this message is a marketing tool for everyone, but do other big corpos try to back it up any more than SB does? Or are we just singling them out again?
Personally, I haven't seen small shops affected adversely in my state... even newer, smaller shops here have SB accounts and seemed to have brought in lots of new customers with the dunk hype this past year.
All that aside, the slave labor/worker's rights issue is an entirely separate can of worms than the skateshop relationship and like it's been said, no major shoe company of any kind has kept their hands clean in this regard.
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I’m here just to be apart of the echo camber . . . . . . . . . . . . Fuck Nike!!
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This video is not going to age well. Nike is pushing a super agressive direct to consumer strategy and plans to close most of the independent accounts and reduce distribution to a very minimum in the next years. They will keep a select few shops for marketing / storytelling and image purposes in "key cities" and move on.
They could care less about skate shops or mom and pops sports shops that built their brand, they have been closing those accounts the last couple of years without any explanation. So sell those Dunks while you can or save them for Ebay / StockX and maximize those profits while you can.
https://abc7ny.com/the-bronx-franks-sport-shop-sports-east-tremont/6974447/
El Chancho know what’s up. Gonna set a reminder rn to dig this thread up in a year.
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This testimony is compelling. The skateshop matters a lot to me, I think it's a really special part of skateboarding and it sucks seeing shops suffer from policies held by companies preaching "support the shop." Nike/cons not adapting to smaller shops with order sizes does render the message of this video blatantly hypocritical, but how do other big companies do it? I have a feeling if someone like Vans can adapt orders for smaller shops, Nike/cons, adidas, and others could too. I have no idea if they actually do this, I don't run a shop and I never worked in one. I know this message is a marketing tool for everyone, but do other big corpos try to back it up any more than SB does? Or are we just singling them out again?
Personally, I haven't seen small shops affected adversely in my state... even newer, smaller shops here have SB accounts and seemed to have brought in lots of new customers with the dunk hype this past year.
All that aside, the slave labor/worker's rights issue is an entirely separate can of worms than the skateshop relationship and like it's been said, no major shoe company of any kind has kept their hands clean in this regard.
vans is a corporate machine too BUT they do care
they have a history, they value the role played by skateshops (not faking it)
it's part of the brand strategy / values and staff have that in mind
minimums that make sense
end of season returns
supporting local events
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Nike should be embarrassed posting this after closing 100's of amazing shop doors across the states in the last few months. They don't give two fucks about local shops, they just know skateboarding is a nice way to cash in on some easy $$$.
Ironically the local skate shop owner said Nike is hands down the best brand to work with. Easy to communicate with, easy access to images for social media, great b2b, lots of reps. He said so many core brands are absolutely dog shit to work with and especially when it comes to warranties.
So many times he’s requested images for social media and some idiot sends him a 2x2 jpeg with webcam quality pixels.
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This testimony is compelling. The skateshop matters a lot to me, I think it's a really special part of skateboarding and it sucks seeing shops suffer from policies held by companies preaching "support the shop." Nike/cons not adapting to smaller shops with order sizes does render the message of this video blatantly hypocritical, but how do other big companies do it? I have a feeling if someone like Vans can adapt orders for smaller shops, Nike/cons, adidas, and others could too. I have no idea if they actually do this, I don't run a shop and I never worked in one. I know this message is a marketing tool for everyone, but do other big corpos try to back it up any more than SB does? Or are we just singling them out again?
Personally, I haven't seen small shops affected adversely in my state... even newer, smaller shops here have SB accounts and seemed to have brought in lots of new customers with the dunk hype this past year.
All that aside, the slave labor/worker's rights issue is an entirely separate can of worms than the skateshop relationship and like it's been said, no major shoe company of any kind has kept their hands clean in this regard.
vans is a corporate machine too BUT they do care
they have a history, they value the role played by skateshops (not faking it)
it's part of the brand strategy / values and staff have that in mind
minimums that make sense
end of season returns
supporting local events
Hearing that Van Doren offered his RV to Pawnshop after they had the fire at their shop gave me a lot of respect for Vans.
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This testimony is compelling. The skateshop matters a lot to me, I think it's a really special part of skateboarding and it sucks seeing shops suffer from policies held by companies preaching "support the shop." Nike/cons not adapting to smaller shops with order sizes does render the message of this video blatantly hypocritical, but how do other big companies do it? I have a feeling if someone like Vans can adapt orders for smaller shops, Nike/cons, adidas, and others could too. I have no idea if they actually do this, I don't run a shop and I never worked in one. I know this message is a marketing tool for everyone, but do other big corpos try to back it up any more than SB does? Or are we just singling them out again?
Personally, I haven't seen small shops affected adversely in my state... even newer, smaller shops here have SB accounts and seemed to have brought in lots of new customers with the dunk hype this past year.
All that aside, the slave labor/worker's rights issue is an entirely separate can of worms than the skateshop relationship and like it's been said, no major shoe company of any kind has kept their hands clean in this regard.
vans is a corporate machine too BUT they do care
they have a history, they value the role played by skateshops (not faking it)
it's part of the brand strategy / values and staff have that in mind
minimums that make sense
end of season returns
supporting local events
Hearing that Van Doren offered his RV to Pawnshop after they had the fire at their shop gave me a lot of respect for Vans.
See, these are the kinds of things that SB could afford to do in order to really do it right, but choose to squeeze every ounce of profit out instead.. Listen, I know they want to make as much money as possible... but wouldn't it so pay off in the long run for them to do things right and expand their customer base by winning over the little guys? It seems the holdouts don't like Nike SB (mostly) bc it's being too closely controlled by corporate, which I'm sure is where the policies that can harm shops originate.
Nike makes fantastic products and has a huge following for that fact alone, and they support of a lot of skaters we all care about. But imagine a Nike SB that does these things AND operates more closely to Vans or even NB#... I mean New Balance has given those guys free reign (more or less) and people like Jason Rothmeyer are here, participating in real discussions and talking with skaters. And wouldn't you know, I reacted a lot differently to NB#'s ad campaign... and that's coming from someone who has skated SB's for years.
I really don't think Nike is hellbent on closing skate shops, but I think they're sorta blowing it by not letting the SB really stand for something more.
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This testimony is compelling. The skateshop matters a lot to me, I think it's a really special part of skateboarding and it sucks seeing shops suffer from policies held by companies preaching "support the shop." Nike/cons not adapting to smaller shops with order sizes does render the message of this video blatantly hypocritical, but how do other big companies do it? I have a feeling if someone like Vans can adapt orders for smaller shops, Nike/cons, adidas, and others could too. I have no idea if they actually do this, I don't run a shop and I never worked in one. I know this message is a marketing tool for everyone, but do other big corpos try to back it up any more than SB does? Or are we just singling them out again?
Personally, I haven't seen small shops affected adversely in my state... even newer, smaller shops here have SB accounts and seemed to have brought in lots of new customers with the dunk hype this past year.
All that aside, the slave labor/worker's rights issue is an entirely separate can of worms than the skateshop relationship and like it's been said, no major shoe company of any kind has kept their hands clean in this regard.
vans is a corporate machine too BUT they do care
they have a history, they value the role played by skateshops (not faking it)
it's part of the brand strategy / values and staff have that in mind
minimums that make sense
end of season returns
supporting local events
I recall hearing an interview with Tony at 35th, where the fiasco with Nike’s Project 58 DIY contest was discussed. The shop was facing a 6 figure lawsuit from the city for building a bowl on protected land. Tony said Vans offered to help them out but I don’t remember hearing anything about what Nike did other than disqualify their entry to the contest (that originally won).
He’s in the 58 Reasons video so their business relationship seems ok but I hope Nike helped them out with the DIY contest issue.
Either way, it was cool for Vans to step up even if you think it was for some kind of optics reason.
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its business they have to share the posts that are appealing to the sk8ing athletes
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CLeg_flldme/?igshid=nj5v4s2b2iaf
I’m not too up on skate politics but am I tripping or did they pull their account from a ton of shops a few months ago which most likely can, did, or will put them out of business?
Not to mention a direct to consumer web store, making some of their shoes nearly impossible to get, putting many shops out of business by loading them with shoes that don’t sell just to get a few pairs of the ones that do which leads to them unable to pay. Again someone else could probably put up a better argument than me but this seems like the most laughable hypocritical thing I’ve seen in a while.
Fake news that gets recycled every 2 years.
If your shop goes out of business due to the lack access for more popular Nike SB shoes, there's a good chance your shop sucked to begin with.
I have not seen a shop 'close' due to Nike SB, but uh yeah, keep fighting the good fight.
So Nike is/was at one point sending shoes that were not ordered from shops. You want to get Dunks right? You have to carry this/that. "Oh you owe us money!" Money that could have been spent to restock decks etc has funneled into trying to keep their heads above water with their Nike account, cause guess what, they depend on those dunks every time they drop. THAT is how the shops go out of business.
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so classic wouldn't expect anything else from them
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it's not just skate shops that nike is fucking either. Last summer I was in a family owned shoe shop that's been in business for 5 generations, with 3 locations, and while they carry all sorts of shoes, had been getting the limited/coveted Nike releases since the 90s and it was a big part of their business. I was talking with the dude running it now, he's been in the game his whole life, and he explained that Nike was cutting ties with small shops for the limited releases and/or making it more difficult to attain the most popular products. Pretty lame.
Same with skate shops, and they're not just stores in fucking Idaho or whatever someone said. Even if they were only in flyover, low population locations, why is the effect of vulture capitalism any less shitty than if it were in LA or a big city? That's weak. Even if the limited releases are bringing in more money for the shops able to keep up, they've gotta toe the Nike line to keep pushing and that's lame as fuck too. Hand over the autonomy of skateboarding communities, hell ya. fuck nike
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Birdo was right.
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Fuck Nike, fr
Fuck Adidas too. I know the owner of a shop near me who sells adidas, says of all their shoes, adidas have the highest price (as in lowest markup from wholesale to retail price), and a lot of the time when the shoes they've ordered actually turn up, a few weeks later they're on sale at the adidas website for 30% off. Other shoe brands offer sale or return on their products if you don't sell 30% in the first 4 weeks, but not adidas.
They've tried to stock nike on a few occasions but were told that they have enough accounts and weren't interested.
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A tale as old as time...
Is there a comprehensive list for ethically sourced skate gear? Genuinely curious.
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I'm in favor of nike
fuck it, if you have a mediocre business or brand, u will have mediocre skaters, u will not pay them, they will not make money of skateboarding while their carreers are on fire, so nothing change
only thing that change is beast insane skaters have a chance of being real professionals and make money
skateshops and "CoRe" brands need to step their game up, u dont have same amount of money as nike but u have free social media and u can have a deeper direction in terms of art work/style that "cold" brands like nike will never have
stop bitching crying and complaining pussies, nike is a reality, is just skating getting bigger, if u cant handle that, go fucking golf or whatever da fuck kids do these days and stop being a hipster!
btw, if you guys are so against nike, stop watching skaters that ride for nike.
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I'm in favor of nike
fuck it, if you have a mediocre business or brand, u will have mediocre skaters, u will not pay them, they will not make money of skateboarding while their carreers are on fire, so nothing change
only thing that change is beast insane skaters have a chance of being real professionals and make money
skateshops and "CoRe" brands need to step their game up, u dont have same amount of money as nike but u have free social media and u can have a deeper direction in terms of art work/style that "cold" brands like nike will never have
stop bitching crying and complaining pussies, nike is a reality, is just skating getting bigger, if u cant handle that, go fucking golf or whatever da fuck kids do these days and stop being a hipster!
btw, if you guys are so against nike, stop watching skaters that ride for nike.
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Nike should be embarrassed posting this after closing 100's of amazing shop doors across the states in the last few months. They don't give two fucks about local shops, they just know skateboarding is a nice way to cash in on some easy $$$.
Name 2 shops
Yea, hard to name two...
I'm in Canada so:
1)-Green Apple Skateshop (RIP) one of the best Skateshop's from Canada, let out some of the best shop videos ever, owned by McD, one of the best Canadian skaters of all time.
2) -Anti Social Skateshop (one of the best shops in the world hands down), owned by McCrank and Michelle, pretty much planted the seeds for the Vancouver skate scene over the last couple decades.
3)-Plush Edmonton (RIP) **Not sure if Plush ever had Nike, but I think they used to have it.
4)-Sk8 Skates (one of Canada's oldest Skateshop's, started in the 80's, always been skater owned)
5)-Empire (biggest shop in Canada and not very "core" but still deserve Nike over the big shitty chains that get it, they give back put on massive Canadian events and contests, Im sure you've heard of AM getting paid, etc).
6)-Outlaw Boutique, cool little skater owned shop in Montreal.
7)-The Drive Skateshop (owned by Kevin Harris former Bones Brigade member)
8)-Primary Shop
10)-Industry Shop
11)-Rumour Skateshop
12)-Rude Boys Shop
13)-NBS Skateshop (RIP)
14)-First & First Skateshop (RIP)
Every one of these shops is/was rad and have accounts with other great brands like FA, Vans, Dime etc.. Does cool stuff in their community and are owned by skaters (maybe Empire is not skater owned*, but if you're putting on massive contests and skate events, you're doing it right). Some are thriving right now, either way, Im sure they'd still enjoy to make $3000/month easily off of chunky dunks and all that other shit, and it would level the playing field between them and some massive shoe store like Footlocker.
Not to mention Converse closed 376 stores in Canada a few years back, lots of these were mom and pop shoe stores, but loads of these were skateshops, it's really hard to find Cons in Canada. It was their plans to close all these stores and put the value of their orders on Amazon.ca instead of pumping it through local stores, they can fire allllllll the sales reps and just deal with one store.
If you don't think losing these brands is a big deal to these shops, you're a fool. Sure, the good shops survive, but they're still crippled by not having these brands that Zumiez in their city is selling.
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Ah Canada. I was thinking in the US, no offense. I have no idea why shoe brands hate you guys up there and dick you all around
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It's similar in the smaller cities in the states Im sure. I see shops posting they've got their accounts closed, I can't even name the shop that made all the commotion recently, but there were many shops commenting on their post). Even just read through the comments on that 58 reasons to support your local skateshop post.
Nike's not gonna close a Labor or Humidity but if you look at shops that aren't massive and cool (AKA gives Nike more than they receive) , they're getting closed.
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Okay but “Nike closes shop” is just so histrionic that it obscures the actual factors that cause these shops to close. Even without Nike, et al’s meddling, I’m sure most skate shops in smaller areas exist on a wing a prayer. It’s no secret that brick and mortar shops across the country aren’t faring well, particularly during the pandemic. What I wonder, far from Nike closing shops, did they maybe give some of these shops a few years longer to live? I’m not into fear-monger if about supposed boogeymen (satanic panic, stranger danger, child trafficking). Its emotional response that gets in the way of figuring out how to actually identify and fix actual problems.
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reminder that Nike owns Converse so supporting one means you're supporting the other
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Okay but “Nike closes shop” is just so histrionic that it obscures the actual factors that cause these shops to close. Even without Nike, et al’s meddling, I’m sure most skate shops in smaller areas exist on a wing a prayer. It’s no secret that brick and mortar shops across the country aren’t faring well, particularly during the pandemic. What I wonder, far from Nike closing shops, did they maybe give some of these shops a few years longer to live? I’m not into fear-monger if about supposed boogeymen (satanic panic, stranger danger, child trafficking). Its emotional response that gets in the way of figuring out how to actually identify and fix actual problems.
I guess I'll keep explaining stuff to you. "Nike closes shop" means when Nike cuts off a shop from selling their brand, not that they physically stopped that store from opening their doors. But now that Blazer guy or Dunk kid, goes to Nike.com to buy their shoes. Skateshops make most of their profit off of footwear because there's thin margins in hardgoods, so when you lose your #1 footwear brand that is spending multi millions of dollars a year on advertising and sponsorships, your shop loses a huge chunk of cash they used to pay rent. You can sell a shit ton more boards still, but it's not gonna add up to shoe sales.
It's not fear mongering, its happening. Here's an article about Nike clothing tons of wholesalers.
https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/06/nike-moving-even-further-away-from-wholesale/
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Okay but “Nike closes shop” is just so histrionic that it obscures the actual factors that cause these shops to close. Even without Nike, et al’s meddling, I’m sure most skate shops in smaller areas exist on a wing a prayer. It’s no secret that brick and mortar shops across the country aren’t faring well, particularly during the pandemic. What I wonder, far from Nike closing shops, did they maybe give some of these shops a few years longer to live? I’m not into fear-monger if about supposed boogeymen (satanic panic, stranger danger, child trafficking). Its emotional response that gets in the way of figuring out how to actually identify and fix actual problems.
I guess I'll keep explaining stuff to you. "Nike closes shop" means when Nike cuts off a shop from selling their brand, not that they physically stopped that store from opening their doors. But now that Blazer guy or Dunk kid, goes to Nike.com to buy their shoes. Skateshops make most of their profit off of footwear because there's thin margins in hardgoods, so when you lose your #1 footwear brand that is spending multi millions of dollars a year on advertising and sponsorships, your shop loses a huge chunk of cash they used to pay rent. You can sell a shit ton more boards still, but it's not gonna add up to shoe sales.
It's not fear mongering, its happening. Here's an article about Nike clothing tons of wholesalers.
https://shop-eat-surf.com/2020/06/nike-moving-even-further-away-from-wholesale/
Thanks I do get it though and Nike selling their shoes online has hardly been a recent innovation. SB has been online for at least a decade. What I was wondering is if these stores would have survived regardless of Nike’s involvement considering the downwards trajectory of physical stores across all industries. Canada and US seem to be fairly different to how shoe brands are approaching, so the answer for you might not be the same answer as it is down here
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Direct to customer is not a recent innovation
but they are going way way faster in that direction
Cut the middleman, more profit, don't care
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I'm in favor of nike
fuck it, if you have a mediocre business or brand, u will have mediocre skaters, u will not pay them, they will not make money of skateboarding while their carreers are on fire, so nothing change
only thing that change is beast insane skaters have a chance of being real professionals and make money
skateshops and "CoRe" brands need to step their game up, u dont have same amount of money as nike but u have free social media and u can have a deeper direction in terms of art work/style that "cold" brands like nike will never have
stop bitching crying and complaining pussies, nike is a reality, is just skating getting bigger, if u cant handle that, go fucking golf or whatever da fuck kids do these days and stop being a hipster!
btw, if you guys are so against nike, stop watching skaters that ride for nike.
Redpilled af
nah, just a guy from BR that saw a whole generation of skaters having to work a job aside, not being able to go to euro/NA trips because of work/study etc, or pros that had a good run and were broke after their carreers... pros that got hurt and had their careers end cuz no health deals etc
nowdays I'm seeing tiago on NB, carlos ribeiro and luan on nike, rodrigo on adidas, this is so fucking deserved, those guys worked their ass off, they deserve every dollar they get, learning how to skate in BRs streets isnt easy.
nike sucks but if you see the big picture, if you have a smaller brand that cant pay enough for pros, u should not even start your business, ULTRA fucking easy to start a business with not enough money or not enough knowledge, and then when shit goes south just blame nike LMAO
btw, we have this brand here in BR named "OUS", those guys have a shoe company for more than 10 years, NEVER complained, never said 1 word about nike, adidas etc, they just do their thing, well organized, have full lengh videos, riders with 8+ years home, good quality shoes, fair price, etc.
so I guess this conversation is very needed, nike isnt JASON in a horror movie trying to kill the skate culture, if you think like that you have no idea wtfs going on, its ALWAYS easier to blame a big corp brand for your incompentence or cry conspiracy!
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I'm in favor of nike
fuck it, if you have a mediocre business or brand, u will have mediocre skaters, u will not pay them, they will not make money of skateboarding while their carreers are on fire, so nothing change
only thing that change is beast insane skaters have a chance of being real professionals and make money
skateshops and "CoRe" brands need to step their game up, u dont have same amount of money as nike but u have free social media and u can have a deeper direction in terms of art work/style that "cold" brands like nike will never have
stop bitching crying and complaining pussies, nike is a reality, is just skating getting bigger, if u cant handle that, go fucking golf or whatever da fuck kids do these days and stop being a hipster!
btw, if you guys are so against nike, stop watching skaters that ride for nike.
Redpilled af
nah, just a guy from BR that saw a whole generation of skaters having to work a job aside, not being able to go to euro/NA trips because of work/study etc, or pros that had a good run and were broke after their carreers... pros that got hurt and had their careers end cuz no health deals etc
nowdays I'm seeing tiago on NB, carlos ribeiro and luan on nike, rodrigo on adidas, this is so fucking deserved, those guys worked their ass off, they deserve every dollar they get, learning how to skate in BRs streets isnt easy.
nike sucks but if you see the big picture, if you have a smaller brand that cant pay enough for pros, u should not even start your business, ULTRA fucking easy to start a business with not enough money or not enough knowledge, and then when shit goes south just blame nike LMAO
btw, we have this brand here in BR named "OUS", those guys have a shoe company for more than 10 years, NEVER complained, never said 1 word about nike, adidas etc, they just do their thing, well organized, have full lengh videos, riders with 8+ years home, good quality shoes, fair price, etc.
so I guess this conversation is very needed, nike isnt JASON in a horror movie trying to kill the skate culture, if you think like that you have no idea wtfs going on, its ALWAYS easier to blame a big corp brand for your incompentence or cry conspiracy!
I said this exact thing in this very thread and others, and I also acknowledged that it's awesome that nike (and other big companies) can hook up so many riders we love and know deserve it.
All we are saying here is that if Nike wants to take it even further and support community better than they already do, they could alter some business pracfices to make it easier on brick and mortar shops to carry their stuff.
It is unfortunate that physical shops are going by the wayside (in various industries), direct to consumer is the way of the world. But it is possible to lament something and understand it. I think it's a very fair question to ask if Nike did help some shops extend their lifespan a few years overall... but it begs the question: how much longer could this shops have hung on if they were able to deal with orders/returns in a way that was flexible and worked for them? Really, I don't think Nikebis maliciously closing shops to sabotage the culture... but it's absolutely true that they'll financially benefit from the loss os skateshops, and Nike execs aren't dumb... they know this.
It would just be cool if Nike put its money where its mouth is and step in to do more to work with shops if they are going to claim they care. I know that's asking a lot in 2021, but who can argue that it wouldn't be a good/entirely possible thing for them to do?
Edit: I am so interested in advocating for shops themselves because I think they have the potential to serve as HQ for a lot of positive change in their skate/greater communities. I don't just wanna support small businesses or ensure there's a place for people to gather and talk shit, that's all great... but the people in a skateshop also have the knowledge, expertise, and dedication to organize events/host art shows/build spots what have you... I sincerely believe that Nike and other corps with skate divisions COULD have a bigger hand in supporting these efforts by switching some policies up, and if they did I'd respect them a lot more when they released something like the video that started this topic.
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You MF's are trippin if you don't see the damage Nike's been doing to the skate industry.
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Didn't see Alex O in the Nike insta vid. Too coo?
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if Nike didn't make a peep about skate shop day there would be a thread about how nike doesn't care about skate shops. idk there may be good reasons to prefer another brand over nike, but ultimately it seems like a pretty unimportant debate considering there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. I will say the performance of their shoes is more fitting for a utopia than any other brand, IMO.
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It really isn't important, they're not going anywhere anyway. I just wish they were cooler, cause they could be :'(
Edit: don't mean to downplay the struggle of the skateshop by saying it's not an important discussion, but nike gonna nike (and you can substitute any large company's name in, they're just bigger than skating)
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definitely not just skate shops
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/business/nike-independent-shoe-stores/index.html
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I have spoken to a very small shop that carried Nike, Vans, CONS, and the little guys about this. In his words, Nike doesn't close shops, but if you are not smart about it, you can close your shop because of Nike. They give you an insane amount of credit each season and it is super easy to get carried away, over order and essentially screw yourself over. He said if you play it smart you shouldn't have an issue.