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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: marty mcfly on February 21, 2021, 12:11:57 PM
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D.Way - 10 10 - gator
...who’s your pick?
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
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Shane heyl
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okay, come on. you really think danny way is one of the worst pros EVER? come the fuck on
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okay, come on. you really think danny way is one of the worst pros EVER? come the fuck on
Hate the guy all you want 90’s d way was an all terrain monster
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
Rick Jaramillo cause his videoparts were under the standards of that era ( planet earth Silver- 411 profile )
Caesar Singh just cause he got lots of potential in terms of style and trix selection ( amazing part in Silver planet earth), but seems he wasn't able to take vantage from his gift and his career falling a part, even because he was surrounded by the wrong manager ( read his intw on chrome ball).
josh Kasper, a weirdo.
Chris Branagh, ofcourse.
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
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Shane heyl
Nah man he's cool
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
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define worst
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Nah man he's cool
nose slide KING
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Are we talking skill or personality? Sinner either way
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Braydon, d loy, and Shane heyl.
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koston eaton
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Aurelian Giraud or whatever his name is - Flinging ghetto birds around a park just doesn’t impress me.
Jagger Eaton- I don’t think I need to explain lol.
Pat Duffy- Dude just seems like a massive kook.
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
Rick Jaramillo cause his videoparts were under the standards of that era ( planet earth Silver- 411 profile )
Caesar Singh just cause he got lots of potential in terms of style and trix selection ( amazing part in Silver planet earth), but seems he wasn't able to take vantage from his gift and his career falling a part, even because he was surrounded by the wrong manager ( read his intw on chrome ball).
josh Kasper, a weirdo.
Chris Branagh, ofcourse.
i entered this thread to say rick jaramillo. that is a no brainer.
#2 and 3 are josh harmony and sean powers. fuck listing people you dont like or people who may have been complicit in the murder a gay man.
i only want to see terrible skill x turned pro by a legit company
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Aurelian Giraud or whatever his name is - Flinging ghetto birds around a park just doesn’t impress me.
Jagger Eaton- I don’t think I need to explain lol.
Pat Duffy- Dude just seems like a massive kook.
Well that's the last time I look at this thread.
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Braydon, d loy, and Shane heyl.
Baker 3 era braydon was fine. great cab flip.
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anyone on revive JART (besides jason park) super nice dude
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Rick J kinda ripped, what are ya'll on about? sw feeble a little handrail before anyone!
worst? king of freestyle if he was even pro. scott bourne was severely limited in trick selection. put it this way, if trick selection were intelligence, scott bourne would handicapped. scott bourne's trick selection was so dumb, if you removed boardslides, heelflips and 50-50s, his trick selection would be relegated to monosyllabic grunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5nxmqsmZds
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that hyun guy on instagram with the stanky leg and the shitty compressed trendy rap music over skatepark clips. Not to mention the laughably out of date hypebeast fashion
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Ss feeble where Guy in the same year did ss fs shove it krook :)
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Rick J kinda ripped, what are ya'll on about? sw feeble a little handrail before anyone!
worst? king of freestyle if he was even pro. scott bourne was severely limited in trick selection. put it this way, if trick selection were intelligence, scott bourne would handicapped. scott bourne's trick selection was so dumb, if you removed boardslides, heelflips and 50-50s, his trick selection would be relegated to monosyllabic grunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5nxmqsmZds
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man watching Loys runs at Tampa last year compared to everyone else that was skating was like night and day. dudes way better than ill ever be obviously but man him and that jud heald wwere both so much worse than everyone else
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Pigpen
Vinny ponte
That one white guy who only wore blue shorts on maple, don’t know his name but that’s what he dressed like. Could have been a Greg or like...matt something.
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Pigpen
Vinny ponte
That one white guy who only wore blue shorts on maple, don’t know his name but that’s what he dressed like. Could have been a Greg or like...matt something.
oof. Vinny Ponte. this one is tough but in spirit with the thread. i think for NYC (which was behind skill wise to what was doing down in california) he was one of the better guys but i think it is a level charge. he 1000% wore the ugliest shoes of all time. His part was in the mixtape was pretty legendary.
David Loy seems like a pretty lame dude but you're tripping if you think he isn't good on a skateboard. 2021 and im defending d loy. ugh.
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Worst in what sense?
Ability?
Or marketability in order to push board sales which for the very most part the most important part of being a professional skateboarder?
Edgy comment and all, but ability wise, insert any and all female professional skateboarders ever, but they are ultra marketable, likeable and probably do quite well on the product sales side of thing.
Impossible question to answer really that is inevitably which personality with their name on a skateboard do i dislike the most.
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Simon Woodstock
Lizard King
Andy Roy
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Was Daniel Castillo ever pro?
I’d say Justin Eldridge has been a pretty bad pro. He was an for Yeah Right and Hot Chocolate and he hasn’t done much for the nearly 20 years his name has been on a board.
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Are we talking skill or personality? Sinner either way
Now look-- I think Sinner is a fried moron with a pile of horseshit for a brain just as much as the next guy-- but to claim he never ripped is a bit disingenuous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeZEW_hM6yI
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Daniel Castillo is probably the worst pro ever. He could basically only skate manual pads and flat ground.
Shane Heyl’s board always seemed like an honorary thing, but his name was still on a board in place of someone else so I guess you have to include him too.
I just re-watched Gareth Stehr’s That’s Life part, and it was better than I remember. That being said, he basically just recycles the same 8-10 tricks over and over and has really terrible style unless he was jumping down something big.
So I guess those are my 3.
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I think a lot of these answers here are way off the mark and are more "political" than what the thread is asking. I was thinking of pros who don't skate at a pro level and have more to do with image.
Ben Kadow. And I kind of like him.
Austin Stephens.
Revive has obvious offenders.
There are other ones I could list but everyone would be uncomfortable.
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Steve Saiz had an all-time classic graphic, but he might be the least impressive pro for Powell in the Bones Brigade era
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Do they really count as pros tho...
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Are we talking skill or personality? Sinner either way
Now look-- I think Sinner is a fried moron with a pile of horseshit for a brain just as much as the next guy-- but to claim he never ripped is a bit disingenuous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeZEW_hM6yI
Btw the second angle of that fakie ollie (2:26) is the loudest landing ever recorded.
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Was Daniel Castillo ever pro?
I’d say Justin Eldridge has been a pretty bad pro. He was an for Yeah Right and Hot Chocolate and he hasn’t done much for the nearly 20 years his name has been on a board.
crazy I forgot about eldgrige. thats a good one. craigtap must have poured shit ton of cash into riders who just freeloaded off them for a well over a decade plus. in the end only to be responsible for still paying guys like him and crab to make small talk 20 years later
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sinner x3
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Mike V fucking sucks
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Simon Woodstock; always thought he was just kooky as shit
Lizard King Antwuan Dixon; talk about a waste of talent, also that cancer IG post after Huf passed was really fucking stupid and selfish we shouldn’t forgive him for that one.
Andy Roy; oh my where to start with this loud mouth shit stain of a person, honestly if weren’t for his epicly later’d and his association with 1010 I’d have left him alone, but Nazi sympathizers and disease spreading dipshits get no cheese from me.
I know I know it’s a hot take and I’ll gladly take the L on this one. I see it like this if you squandered a chance to earn and make something out of yourself and be apart of the cool kids club and fuck it off, you deserve to be a little ostracized in some capacity. Not Braille status but maybe an Element milking it status.
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i don't know if he was ever pro but he was at least in the industry in some shape. dis guy suxXxXx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5qyTMgDP9c&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5qyTMgDP9c&t=1s)
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Brent Atchley
K Terp
Josh Kasper
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Kevin White, Shane Hayle, Ben Kadow. All have some sick footy and enjoyable, definitely just pro cause of their connections though
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Do they really count as pros tho...
Hell no. I saw a John hill video the other day called “going pro made me depressed” and just laugh cause of the disillusion.
Top 3 this current gen tho? Nak, aiden, Sean pablo. Kevin white runner up. None of these guys are pro talent wise and especially not compared to their team mates. I get why they’re pro but seeing them skate in person annoys the shit out of me.
A lot of 2000s guys never felt pro to me but they were all hold overs from the 90s.
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Was Daniel Castillo ever pro?
I’d say Justin Eldridge has been a pretty bad pro. He was an for Yeah Right and Hot Chocolate and he hasn’t done much for the nearly 20 years his name has been on a board.
crazy I forgot about eldgrige. thats a good one. craigtap must have poured shit ton of cash into riders who just freeloaded off them for a well over a decade plus. in the end only to be responsible for still paying guys like him and crab to make small talk 20 years later
its the crailtap tenure program. if you're their buddy, you stay on for as long as you can tolerate it. he's definitely had his contract renewed at several points by now. i don't get what keeping him on and paying him as a pro does for the company. chris roberts i get to an extent bc of the Nine Club and name recognition, but it still seems goofy to me. he's not some charismatic star the target demo just can't get enough of
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ben kadow slander - not tolerated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwtaheREBE
this part is fucking nuts
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that being said
my top 3 is Gareth Stehr, Austin Stephens, Josh Harmony. 2004 was a dark year
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Are we talking skill or personality? Sinner either way
Now look-- I think Sinner is a fried moron with a pile of horseshit for a brain just as much as the next guy-- but to claim he never ripped is a bit disingenuous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeZEW_hM6yI
haven't seen this in years. really heavy skating. arf
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Are we talking skill or personality? Sinner either way
We are talking about personality.Of course d.way is a great
skateboarder...but everything else... ::)
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nick jensen
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ben kadow slander - not tolerated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwtaheREBE
this part is fucking nuts
Yeah, it's fucking buts how something this terrible made it into a AAA video.
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Jereme Rogers
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Pat Duffy- Dude just seems like a massive kook.
Sure he’s a fuckstick but his Questionable part is evergreen
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that being said
my top 3 is Gareth Stehr, Austin Stephens, Josh Harmony. 2004 was a dark year
100% the correct answer.
also, does Sinner really count? he created his own company just to turn himself pro
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Jeremy was/is ridiculously good I mean maybe it wasn’t even drugs fucked him maybe his brain just cooked off cause he skated too well who knows
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Jeremy was/is ridiculously good I mean maybe it wasn’t even drugs fucked him maybe his brain just cooked off cause he skated too well who knows
No matter how good he is / was, this guy is pathetic
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Steve Saiz had an all-time classic graphic, but he might be the least impressive pro for Powell in the Bones Brigade era
Don't think he had a board, but Eric Sanderson was pro for Powell and was less impressive than Saiz.
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Jeremy was/is ridiculously good I mean maybe it wasn’t even drugs fucked him maybe his brain just cooked off cause he skated too well who knows
No matter how good he is / was, this guy is pathetic
For sure, I was only talking about skating, those rap videos are suss as
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Some fucking trash opinions in here
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nick jensen
go to hell
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
Rick Jaramillo cause his videoparts were under the standards of that era ( planet earth Silver- 411 profile )
Caesar Singh just cause he got lots of potential in terms of style and trix selection ( amazing part in Silver planet earth), but seems he wasn't able to take vantage from his gift and his career falling a part, even because he was surrounded by the wrong manager ( read his intw on chrome ball).
josh Kasper, a weirdo.
Chris Branagh, ofcourse.
i entered this thread to say rick jaramillo. that is a no brainer.
#2 and 3 are josh harmony and sean powers. fuck listing people you dont like or people who may have been complicit in the murder a gay man.
i only want to see terrible skill x turned pro by a legit company
Sean Powers is not a pro, a this point l would say Blondie: an average skater, which Adidas gave him a pro shoe instead to DAewon.
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Steve Saiz had an all-time classic graphic, but he might be the least impressive pro for Powell in the Bones Brigade era
You sure about that? I was a total Powell fanboy in those days and I don’t remember this. Who goes pro for Powell and doesn’t get a board?
In any case, you are right. Sanderson would be the worst
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KRIZZ RO88ERTZ
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Andrew Brophy, not strictly skill wise but in terms of output he's way worse than Eldridge
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GANG !
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can a mod delete this thread so we can make a "least skilled people turned pro by legitimate companies" thread
yall are all in your feelings on this.
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can a mod delete this thread so we can make a "least skilled people turned pro by legitimate companies" thread
yall are all in your feelings on this.
Same thing that happens in any thread like this
"What is the best video ever made?"
"Shoutout to Feed the Need because it was the first video my mum bought for me"
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Mike V, full of himself
Berra, full of himself and a scientologist
Aaron kyro, scientologist
Bonus round: Bastien, so skilled but just always fell short due to his personal issues, the only dude who let me down for over a decade.
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1.) Sean Pablo
2.) _streethassle
3.) Swan
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Mike V, full of himself
Berra, full of himself and a scientologist
Aaron kyro, scientologist
Bonus round: Bastien, so skilled but just always fell short due to his personal issues, the only dude who let me down for over a decade.
I sureeee wouldnt put bastien and fall off in the same sentence and the absolute last place his name needs to be is in this thread.
Hes the energy filled self hype guy on a skateboard, but what appears to be the complete opposite off of it. Hard to maintain that on off switch vibe in any field of work.
Dude dropped a part in a hell of an era, and then matured.
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You just can’t handle Austin Stephens beauty cuz he ripped pre acl injury https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmMEdiRl8g (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmMEdiRl8g)
Also Josh harmony is way better than Dan pague Aaron kyro and David loy. There are a lot of skaters far worse than Josh harmony. Gareth steher does suck. I think I’m better than him and I suck
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Rick jaramillo, matt schnurr, felix arguelles
Those are my picks
Shit wait, I need to pull one out and add tom krauser
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Are we talking skill or personality? Sinner either way
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I'm assuming we mean skill wise, so Danny Way can't be on here.
Corey O'Brien had one of the best selling models on Santa Cruz in their heyday and I don't think he skated anything but curbs and mini ramps. Cool 80s hair though.
Eric Sanderson is a good choice for this category.
Lizard King for modern suckage.
Would like to amend this (barely) and swap Lizard King out for Jerry Gurney. Absolute worst.
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I'm assuming we mean skill wise, so Danny Way can't be on here.
Corey O'Brien had one of the best selling models on Santa Cruz in their heyday and I don't think he skated anything but curbs and mini ramps. Cool 80s hair though.
Eric Sanderson is a good choice for this category.
Lizard King for modern suckage.
Check my first three examples...it’s about personality.
I think I should have been more precise.
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You just can’t handle Austin Stephens beauty cuz he ripped pre acl injury https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmMEdiRl8g (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NZmMEdiRl8g)
Also Josh harmony is way better than Dan pague Aaron kyro and David loy. There are a lot of skaters far worse than Josh harmony. Gareth steher does suck. I think I’m better than him and I suck
Austin was the only one who didn’t abandon Toy Machine when all their riders fled. I’m fine with him being kept around for a little. It’s not like he was taking anyone’s spot
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Kevin hufflepuff - weird name, few if any legitimate sponsors, somehow ended up in street league
Brophy is a good mention. Dude doesn’t put out anything ever. He can Ollie high and did a nice looking tre over a rail 15 years ago though.
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A lot of people going the personality route vs skill. The latter is what the thread's intention was IMO. To say that Nak isn't skating on a pro level is delusional, his clips in Blessed are insane. Pro kook though.
Agreed on Kevin White, C-Rob, and Felix Arguelles.
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Rick jaramillo, matt schnurr, felix arguelles
Those are my picks
Shit wait, I need to pull one out and add tom krauser
Matt Schnurr did ss bs heel to bs five o revert down an hubba s skatepark, was bangin for that time, for the rest l'm agree
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I'm assuming we mean skill wise, so Danny Way can't be on here.
Corey O'Brien had one of the best selling models on Santa Cruz in their heyday and I don't think he skated anything but curbs and mini ramps. Cool 80s hair though.
Eric Sanderson is a good choice for this category.
Lizard King for modern suckage.
Nah. Lizard rips. The few times I saw him skate demos he went harder than everybody. I respect the hell out of that.
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Mike V, full of himself
Berra, full of himself and a scientologist
Aaron kyro, scientologist
Bonus round: Bastien, so skilled but just always fell short due to his personal issues, the only dude who let me down for over a decade.
I sureeee wouldnt put bastien and fall off in the same sentence and the absolute last place his name needs to be is in this thread.
Hes the energy filled self hype guy on a skateboard, but what appears to be the complete opposite off of it. Hard to maintain that on off switch vibe in any field of work.
Dude dropped a part in a hell of an era, and then matured.
I feel like he never actualized his full potential, maybe I'm wrong. But the immense feeling of being let down is why I put his name here. Just a personal pick.
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mark gator rogowski
mark gator rogowski
mark gator rogowski
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Revive is so gross
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Bam Margera - in terms of talent he should not have sold that many boards
Dustin Dollin - should have just been a video hype man
Ali Boulala - accidentally killing Shane Cross aside he was clearly phoning it in most of the time already
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I'm assuming we mean skill wise, so Danny Way can't be on here.
Corey O'Brien had one of the best selling models on Santa Cruz in their heyday and I don't think he skated anything but curbs and mini ramps. Cool 80s hair though.
Eric Sanderson is a good choice for this category.
Lizard King for modern suckage.
Check my first three examples...it’s about personality.
I think I should have been more precise.
Oh in that case Way, Gator and Jay Adams. Killing people is wrong
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nick jensen
Focus plz
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Tom Green
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I’m only going to answer one worst pro in terms of personality, Nyjah!
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the recency bias in this thread is fucking insane.
pat duffy? Nak? Atchley? what the fuck are you all on?
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Bam Margera - in terms of talent he should not have sold that many boards
Dustin Dollin - should have just been a video hype man
Ali Boulala - accidentally killing Shane Cross aside he was clearly phoning it in most of the time already
dollin has down some incredible shit on a skateboard man
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the recency bias in this thread is fucking insane.
pat duffy? Nak? Atchley? what the fuck are you all on?
Yea, I was super surprised to see Brent Atchley and Duffy mentioned.
I sort of get Nak, but Sean Pablo and Ben Kadow are way more questionable.
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so many softies in here. many reasons beside mediocre skating as to why one can be the worst
examples: rape, racism, spreading hate, abuse towards women, murdering gay people with bricks, etc
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Bam Margera - in terms of talent he should not have sold that many boards
Dustin Dollin - should have just been a video hype man
Ali Boulala - accidentally killing Shane Cross aside he was clearly phoning it in most of the time already
Not in a long time. It’s been like ten years of him doing nothing but tossing himself down steep banks.
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Mike V fucking sucks
Mike V's the fuckin man.
Jerry Gurney, even though he's one of favourites, his pro career was short and shitty. Nyjah for his personality alone, and finally Andy Roy
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Pat Ngoho
Corey O Brien
Daniel Haney or any of those dudes from that era that could only grind rails
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the recency bias in this thread is fucking insane.
pat duffy? Nak? Atchley? what the fuck are you all on?
Yea, I was super surprised to see Brent Atchley and Duffy mentioned.
I sort of get Nak, but Sean Pablo and Ben Kadow are way more questionable.
Questionable in terms of?
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Great thread (seriously) i'll be back in time to present my top 3.
keep em coming it's surely a laugh :)
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
Rick Jaramillo cause his videoparts were under the standards of that era ( planet earth Silver- 411 profile )
Caesar Singh just cause he got lots of potential in terms of style and trix selection ( amazing part in Silver planet earth), but seems he wasn't able to take vantage from his gift and his career falling a part, even because he was surrounded by the wrong manager ( read his intw on chrome ball).
josh Kasper, a weirdo.
Chris Branagh, ofcourse.
i entered this thread to say rick jaramillo. that is a no brainer.
#2 and 3 are josh harmony and sean powers. fuck listing people you dont like or people who may have been complicit in the murder a gay man.
i only want to see terrible skill x turned pro by a legit company
Rick J actually did a lot of dope nbds, bs fakie 5-0 fs shove to name one. Dude was good, hate that the 411 part defined his career.
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I don't take anything on this forum personally. But bringing Brent Atchley into this discussion makes me wanna cry to my mommy.
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Novak is now an option so...
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so many softies in here. many reasons beside mediocre skating as to why one can be the worst
examples: rape, racism, spreading hate, abuse towards women, murdering gay people with bricks, etc
They can do all of those things and still be objectively better than Ben Kadow at skateboarding, who, despite his trademark serial killer stare, is probably a very nice guy. I even enjoy some of his stuff, but Danny Way being unlikeable to over sensitive zoomers on Slap doesn’t make him a worse skater than Ben Kadow.
Michael Jackson was a better pop star than Bieber, and he diddled kids.
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- Gator (i feel like if you kill someone you end up in the top 3 by default)
- Andy Schrock (or anyone that creates their own company and makes themselves pro)
- having a hard time with a third, almost everyone else in this thread fucking rips (or ripped) even if they have a goofy personality. Maybe TK though? you can just tell he was never really at that level.
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the recency bias in this thread is fucking insane.
pat duffy? Nak? Atchley? what the fuck are you all on?
Yea, I was super surprised to see Brent Atchley and Duffy mentioned.
I sort of get Nak, but Sean Pablo and Ben Kadow are way more questionable.
Questionable in terms of?
I'm lumping them in because of the FA camp connection. But Ben Kadow, who I love, probably shouldn't be pro. He has sketch factor backed by some great tricks and spots, but he has the same flavor as a hometown legend at the end of day. That's great, but standing next to Dill or KB or Louie it just doesn't hold up.
Sean Pablo and Nak are similar in the sense that they just don't give me anything I can't get at any skatepark these days. I don't follow either well enough to really break it down, but again... stand them up against your average heavy hitter and they're pretty underwhelming. Nak is probably more versatile than Swan, though.
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If we're talking not good enough skill-wise to be turned pro by a legit company:
TK: he could probably take all three spots for the amount of hype he got. I got it at first, he was skating handrails after only skating a year. But he did not get much better than that and, aside from being good at fakie lipslides, he was way behind everyone around him and with really bad style to boot.
Felix Arguelles: Shop sponsor skill-level with I've only skated for 6 months style. It was weird that when I started skating he was considered kind of a legend or something. That Famous Star and Straps also might be one of the worst companies in the history of skateboarding.
Zach Allen: I will admit that in the last year he has impressed me more than I ever thought he could, but he really isn't anything other than a good flow bro in both skill and style. Plus, he doesn't actually seem like that good of a dude and I've spent a bit of time around him. It's been weird that companies like Baker, who have had no problem dropping people that weren't producing, have hyped him up so much. As I'm writing this I am reminded of Dee Ostrander. He might be in the top 10 of this list.
This list made me think if any big board brand has as bad of a record with shitty pros as Baker. TK, Dee, Antwuan (can't really blame that one entirely on Baker, he was really amazing and fell victim to addiction and bad life choices, but they did exploit and profit from his outlaw image), Shane.
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I'm not sure who my top 3 worst pros would be, but I'm dropping in to say:
a) I don't understand the dislike for Rick Jaramillo. Dude had some good parts. I always like his one in Girl Trouble.
b) Mike V is definitely one of the best, so I guess the definition of worst needs to be defined.
c) No one mentioned Skip Pronier, which is good since he was not one of the worst either.
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Bam - Skates about as good as every skatepark kid at their local in every town.
Jub - best trick is just rolling off of stuff
Matt Allen - Just about every trick he put out in a video part was one-upped by someone else in the same video.
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If we're talking not good enough skill-wise to be turned pro by a legit company:
TK: he could probably take all three spots for the amount of hype he got. I got it at first, he was skating handrails after only skating a year. But he did not get much better than that and, aside from being good at fakie lipslides, he was way behind everyone around him and with really bad style to boot.
Felix Arguelles: Shop sponsor skill-level with I've only skated for 6 months style. It was weird that when I started skating he was considered kind of a legend or something. That Famous Star and Straps also might be one of the worst companies in the history of skateboarding.
Zach Allen: I will admit that in the last year he has impressed me more than I ever thought he could, but he really isn't anything other than a good flow bro in both skill and style. Plus, he doesn't actually seem like that good of a dude and I've spent a bit of time around him. It's been weird that companies like Baker, who have had no problem dropping people that weren't producing, have hyped him up so much. As I'm writing this I am reminded of Dee Ostrander. He might be in the top 10 of this list.
This list made me think if any big board brand has as bad of a record with shitty pros as Baker. TK, Dee, Antwuan (can't really blame that one entirely on Baker, he was really amazing and fell victim to addiction and bad life choices, but they did exploit and profit from his outlaw image), Shane.
Dee ripped. Idk how he is off the board but he had some sick video parts over the years.
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Leo valls
Jimmy Lannon (is he pro? Either way I know my rep will shoot down for this one)
I feel like there’s a bunch of old pool/tranny pros who all do the same basic airs and slash grinds
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TK, Bam, Daniel Castillo
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Bam - Skates about as good as every skatepark kid at their local in every town.
Jub - best trick is just rolling off of stuff
Matt Allen - Just about every trick he put out in a video part was one-upped by someone else in the same video.
Bam was never a pro level skater, but he have one thing that the others you mentioned don't have: charisma. I like his old parts, but he was never pro level.
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Bam - Skates about as good as every skatepark kid at their local in every town.
Jub - best trick is just rolling off of stuff
Matt Allen - Just about every trick he put out in a video part was one-upped by someone else in the same video.
now THESE are fuckin fighting words
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i am absolutely disgusted by manny santiago.
in every way
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Mike V is a fair candidate. Other than his early Powell days he was doing old tricks that the rest of skateboarding had revolved beyond. Acting all punk rock ethical while bailing on everybody for more money and pretending to be in Black Flag cover the personality part.
Winkowski seems like a decent enough guy, but who cares about skating old boards. Same as that Dead Dave or whatever guy y’all were pumping on here a while back. All those old boards/tricks guys are boring.
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to em nyjah is the worst pro ever
he has no style, he tries to follow trends, he kinda pretends he is smiling now while recording stuff from insta, nothing about him looks natural, but the biggest reason is how bad influence he is to every human on earth about what skating is about... the amount of potential nice skaters he can ruin by influencing with his behavior, way he acts, way he skates, way he dress etc, by far the highest potential of shit affect Ive ever seen in the skate scene.
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this thread is a fucking mess
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Winkowski seems like a decent enough guy, but who cares about skating old boards. Same as that Dead Dave or whatever guy y’all were pumping on here a while back. All those old boards/tricks guys are boring.
Christopher Hiett is the next in line I guess.
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That lobster boy for sure up there, skill wise and at being a considerate human also. In before 'oh he had that one part that was ok' - his most memorable clip on a board is tripping on that chain and slamming on the cellar door via jenkem, other than that the dude has no redeeming qualities, pissy rag torture art or not.
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to em nyjah is the worst pro ever
he has no style, he tries to follow trends, he kinda pretends he is smiling now while recording stuff from insta, nothing about him looks natural, but the biggest reason is how bad influence he is to every human on earth about what skating is about... the amount of potential nice skaters he can ruin by influencing with his behavior, way he acts, way he skates, way he dress etc, by far the highest potential of shit affect Ive ever seen in the skate scene.
When you plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds
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Doug Brown x3
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Joe Gruber
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While I disagree that Jaramillo is one of the worst pros ever, I always thought it was hilarious that in his Profiles intro he says something like "Hi, I'm Rick Jaramillo. People call me 'Rick J' for some weird reason".
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The three worst (legit) pros (skill level, not [necessarily] personality):
- Terry Kennedy aka T.K. ::) - Shallow bag of tricks, bad style.... never should have been turned pro. He definitely had/has a pro-sized ego though.
- Justin Eldridge/Chris Roberts (tie) - Not much to add with what other posters have mentioned earlier on here. It’s cool they do the Nine Club, but they should have had their boards taken away a looooong time ago. They also lack a strong, definable style; they’re very vanilla. They just bore me to tears and they still dress like dime a dozen “fresh” skaters from 2002. They do seem like super nice guys though and I wish them continued success with their YouTube channel/podcast.
- Felix Arguellas and Jason Rothmeyer (tie) - Felix had a really bad style and lack of exceptional skill. I remember that his butt would always be sticking out really far when landing tricks and we’d make fun of that while watching 411 or whatever shitty Planet Earth video post-Now ‘n’ Later. He was super underwhelming. Rothmeyer had a horrible style, no pop, and did the ugliest lines. He also came across as annoying from his Foundation days onward. If you were a fan, then you need to apologize to all of us. Most of the dudes on Santa Cruz and SMA (post Natas and Julien Stranger days) were very unimpressive and lacked charisma. Ron Whaley was like seven foot tall or some shit! They just didn’t make skating look very good and weren’t hanging with a lot of the other pros at the time.
Honorable mentions: Simon Woodstock; he was such a gimmick that I can't really consider him a regular pro, but yeah, he SUCKED. "Kook" was invented just to describe someone like him. Also, many of the pros that were on New School, Invisible and Maple were very forgettable. I felt sorry for them.
Slaps precious Fred Gall was on New School ... tread lightly here brother
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The three worst (legit) pros (skill level, not [necessarily] personality):
- Terry Kennedy aka T.K. ::) - Shallow bag of tricks, bad style.... never should have been turned pro. He definitely had/has a pro-sized ego though.
- Justin Eldridge/Chris Roberts (tie) - Not much to add with what other posters have mentioned earlier on here. It’s cool they do the Nine Club, but they should have had their boards taken away a looooong time ago. They also lack a strong, definable style; they’re very vanilla. They just bore me to tears and they still dress like dime a dozen “fresh” skaters from 2002. They do seem like super nice guys though and I wish them continued success with their YouTube channel/podcast.
- Felix Arguellas and Jason Rothmeyer (tie) - Felix had a really bad style and lack of exceptional skill. I remember that his butt would always be sticking out really far when landing tricks and we’d make fun of that while watching 411 or whatever shitty Planet Earth video post-Now ‘n’ Later. He was super underwhelming. Rothmeyer had a horrible style, no pop, and did the ugliest lines. He also came across as annoying from his Foundation days onward. If you were a fan, then you need to apologize to all of us. Most of the dudes on Santa Cruz and SMA (post Natas and Julien Stranger days) were very unimpressive and lacked charisma. Ron Whaley was like seven foot tall or some shit! They just didn’t make skating look very good and weren’t hanging with a lot of the other pros at the time.
Honorable mentions: Simon Woodstock; he was such a gimmick that I can't really consider him a regular pro, but yeah, he SUCKED. "Kook" was invented just to describe someone like him. Also, many of the pros that were on New School, Invisible and Maple were very forgettable. I felt sorry for them.
how the fuck is Justin Eldridge (and chris roberts too) the worst pro in history? switch flip 5-0 handrails and all sorts of crazy shit.
i get that you don't like him as a person but we need people who are ass on the board, this isnt a personality contest.
TK i think barely gets the pro nod in my book. barely, but he earned it at the time then never got much better.
Was Greg Harris pro? he sucked.
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The three worst (legit) pros (skill level, not [necessarily] personality):
- Terry Kennedy aka T.K. ::) - Shallow bag of tricks, bad style.... never should have been turned pro. He definitely had/has a pro-sized ego though.
- Justin Eldridge/Chris Roberts (tie) - Not much to add with what other posters have mentioned earlier on here. It’s cool they do the Nine Club, but they should have had their boards taken away a looooong time ago. They also lack a strong, definable style; they’re very vanilla. They just bore me to tears and they still dress like dime a dozen “fresh” skaters from 2002. They do seem like super nice guys though and I wish them continued success with their YouTube channel/podcast.
- Felix Arguellas and Jason Rothmeyer (tie) - Felix had a really bad style and lack of exceptional skill. I remember that his butt would always be sticking out really far when landing tricks and we’d make fun of that while watching 411 or whatever shitty Planet Earth video post-Now ‘n’ Later. He was super underwhelming. Rothmeyer had a horrible style, no pop, and did the ugliest lines. He also came across as annoying from his Foundation days onward. If you were a fan, then you need to apologize to all of us. Most of the dudes on Santa Cruz and SMA (post Natas and Julien Stranger days) were very unimpressive and lacked charisma. Ron Whaley was like seven foot tall or some shit! They just didn’t make skating look very good and weren’t hanging with a lot of the other pros at the time.
Honorable mentions: Simon Woodstock; he was such a gimmick that I can't really consider him a regular pro, but yeah, he SUCKED. "Kook" was invented just to describe someone like him. Also, many of the pros that were on New School, Invisible and Maple were very forgettable. I felt sorry for them.
how the fuck is Justin Eldridge (and chris roberts too) the worst pro in history? switch flip 5-0 handrails and all sorts of crazy shit.
i get that you don't like him as a person but we need people who are ass on the board, this isnt a personality contest.
TK i think barely gets the pro nod in my book. barely, but he earned it at the time then never got much better.
Was Greg Harris pro? he sucked.
As mentioned before, Eldridge’s big moves came as an am. He’s been pro for nearly 20 years and hasn’t had a full part in the majority of that time. Crailtap released a full part in Pretty Sweet for him after the video was released and that was 7 years ago. He’s a terrible pro because he does bring name value or skating talent to the brand.
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that is insane he has 3 minutes of footage in 20 years of pro skating
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1/ Danny Way
2/ Brent Atchley
3/ Erick Winkowski
Just kidding. I'm not a complete fucking idiot.
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Shane heyl
This guy doesn't like nose slides
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I'm assuming we mean skill wise, so Danny Way can't be on here.
Corey O'Brien had one of the best selling models on Santa Cruz in their heyday and I don't think he skated anything but curbs and mini ramps. Cool 80s hair though.
Eric Sanderson is a good choice for this category.
Lizard King for modern suckage.
Nah. Lizard rips. The few times I saw him skate demos he went harder than everybody. I respect the hell out of that.
I'd believe you if the demo was in 2011.
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that is insane he has 3 minutes of footage in 20 years of pro skating
Being able to do nollie heelflip crook variations in the 2000s made you a hot commodity.
Also, I always through Austin Stephens was pretty average for someone who rode for emerica, rvca and toy machine.
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Justin eldridge > Gino skill wise, footage wise
So for me Its
TK
Richie Jackson
Fred gall
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The three worst (legit) pros (skill level, not [necessarily] personality):
- Terry Kennedy aka T.K. ::) - Shallow bag of tricks, bad style.... never should have been turned pro. He definitely had/has a pro-sized ego though.
- Justin Eldridge/Chris Roberts (tie) - Not much to add with what other posters have mentioned earlier on here. It’s cool they do the Nine Club, but they should have had their boards taken away a looooong time ago. They also lack a strong, definable style; they’re very vanilla. They just bore me to tears and they still dress like dime a dozen “fresh” skaters from 2002. They do seem like super nice guys though and I wish them continued success with their YouTube channel/podcast.
- Felix Arguellas and Jason Rothmeyer (tie) - Felix had a really bad style and lack of exceptional skill. I remember that his butt would always be sticking out really far when landing tricks and we’d make fun of that while watching 411 or whatever shitty Planet Earth video post-Now ‘n’ Later. He was super underwhelming. Rothmeyer had a horrible style, no pop, and did the ugliest lines. He also came across as annoying from his Foundation days onward. If you were a fan, then you need to apologize to all of us. Most of the dudes on Santa Cruz and SMA (post Natas and Julien Stranger days) were very unimpressive and lacked charisma. Ron Whaley was like seven foot tall or some shit! They just didn’t make skating look very good and weren’t hanging with a lot of the other pros at the time.
Honorable mentions: Simon Woodstock; he was such a gimmick that I can't really consider him a regular pro, but yeah, he SUCKED. "Kook" was invented just to describe someone like him. Also, many of the pros that were on New School, Invisible and Maple were very forgettable. I felt sorry for them.
how the fuck is Justin Eldridge (and chris roberts too) the worst pro in history? switch flip 5-0 handrails and all sorts of crazy shit.
i get that you don't like him as a person but we need people who are ass on the board, this isnt a personality contest.
TK i think barely gets the pro nod in my book. barely, but he earned it at the time then never got much better.
Was Greg Harris pro? he sucked.
As mentioned before, Eldridge’s big moves came as an am. He’s been pro for nearly 20 years and hasn’t had a full part in the majority of that time. Crailtap released a full part in Pretty Sweet for him after the video was released and that was 7 years ago. He’s a terrible pro because he does bring name value or skating talent to the brand.
I like Eldridge’s skating. His tricks in Pretty Sweet were rad.
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Justin eldridge > Gino skill wise, footage wise
So for me Its
TK
Richie Jackson
Fred gall
bruh
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While I disagree that Jaramillo is one of the worst pros ever, I always thought it was hilarious that in his Profiles intro he says something like "Hi, I'm Rick Jaramillo. People call me 'Rick J' for some weird reason".
That is pretty goddamn funny.
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Sean Pablo
Manny Santiago has never done anything I didn’t despise with every fiber of my being
Blondie
Whoever said Nick Jensen can eat a fat cock btw
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Cody Davis, Vinnie banh, & Frecks
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Justin eldridge > Gino skill wise, footage wise
So for me Its
TK
Richie Jackson
Fred gall
I respect the balls it takes to write this, but no, no, no and no.
Not a big fan of TK, but I feel like he earned that pro status around Baker3.
I think Richie Jackson is a kook, but I actually like his skating. Skills, creativity, I respect that.
As for Fred...
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a89fc06096ec3b2357cd013c228351a/tenor.gif?itemid=14394588)
The obvious answer is Felix: Little skill, bad style, big ego. What's there to like?
Knox Godoy doesn't count, because he never turned pro, right?
And of course, Shawn Powers. Shitty personality on top of everything else.
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don´t get the Rick J hate. nice style with a great trick selection.
mike V.
Scott Bourne
Daniel Castillo
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don´t get the Rick J hate. nice style with a great trick selection.
mike V.
Scott Bourne
Daniel Castillo
I don’t get the Daniel hate. Sure he never jumped down shit or hit a handrail but he had some good manny tricks and I like his full cab a lot
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Tom Green - Birdhouse (he even went on tour, doing early grabs)
Dan Cates- Death (UK Simon Woodstock wannabe)
Daniel Haney- Arcade (Handrails apart he was below par)
S H A L O M
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so many softies in here. many reasons beside mediocre skating as to why one can be the worst
examples: rape, racism, spreading hate, abuse towards women, murdering gay people with bricks, etc
They can do all of those things and still be objectively better than Ben Kadow at skateboarding, who, despite his trademark serial killer stare, is probably a very nice guy. I even enjoy some of his stuff, but Danny Way being unlikeable to over sensitive zoomers on Slap doesn’t make him a worse skater than Ben Kadow.
Michael Jackson was a better pop star than Bieber, and he diddled kids.
Being opposed to homophobic fuelled murder is being over sensitive now?
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Mark Gonzales
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Besides everyone on Revive:
1. Josh Harmony
2. Alex Olson
3. Andy Mac
As for the most frustrating pro, simply because he wont do shit on the streets is Luan.
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1. pros that drink/smoke their talent away (like bam, antwuan, etc.)
2. pros that treat kids like shit (like koston)
3. pros that act like skateboarding owes them something (like anthony mosley)
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While I disagree that Jaramillo is one of the worst pros ever, I always thought it was hilarious that in his Profiles intro he says something like "Hi, I'm Rick Jaramillo. People call me 'Rick J' for some weird reason".
I was writing about his weird intro on 411vm profile, but you done it before me !
I rewatch his part from hiatus to 411vm: an average skater good for a shop sponsor but not pro for a big co. Like planet earth at the time.
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so many softies in here. many reasons beside mediocre skating as to why one can be the worst
examples: rape, racism, spreading hate, abuse towards women, murdering gay people with bricks, etc
They can do all of those things and still be objectively better than Ben Kadow at skateboarding, who, despite his trademark serial killer stare, is probably a very nice guy. I even enjoy some of his stuff, but Danny Way being unlikeable to over sensitive zoomers on Slap doesn’t make him a worse skater than Ben Kadow.
Michael Jackson was a better pop star than Bieber, and he diddled kids.
Being opposed to homophobic fuelled murder is being over sensitive now?
I can be opposed to a homophobic fueled murder that was committed by some guy who isn’t Danny Way and still recognize that Danny Way is one of the most talented and driven people to step on a skateboard.
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Do they really count as pros tho...
no. they do not
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In terms of productivity falling off a cliff when they turn from Am to Pro, then I would say Jake Duncombe.
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Justin eldridge > Gino skill wise, footage wise
So for me Its
TK
Richie Jackson
Fred gall
I respect the balls it takes to write this, but no, no, no and no.
Not a big fan of TK, but I feel like he earned that pro status around Baker3.
I think Richie Jackson is a kook, but I actually like his skating. Skills, creativity, I respect that.
As for Fred...
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a89fc06096ec3b2357cd013c228351a/tenor.gif?itemid=14394588)
Completely agree with these sentiments RJ & TK are definitely kooky to me they should’ve been on a lesser known brand IMO.
Ritchie Jackson is the newest iteration of Simon Woodstock now as far as TK he’s talented and has a Pro as fuck ego buttttttt for being on the level of other’s not so much dude doesn’t do switch at all.
Now as far as Freddy dude rips not much bad can he said bad about him.
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Saw Simon Woodstock mentioned a few times on here, I saw him at demo once and he's actually one of the best skaters ive seen in real life, he just came in no kookiness, no gimmicks, no outfits, just killed it. That being said he also had the worst fucking styles I'd ever seen in my life.
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2. Alex Olson
rewatch his part in fully flared and then focus your account
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Sinner
Bandana B
MAGA B
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In speed freaks rob roskopp had a single of a fakie Ollie decker on a mini ramp . I’m always triggered by how revered his board graphics are , by how badly he sucked .
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Has Jim Gagne , Peter mcbride, or Harold hunter (RIP) been mentioned ?
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And despite all his accomplishments Rodney has always aesthetically looked the worst on a skateboard . Unwatchable.
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How has rick jaramillo,s name come up without mentioning Dennis bellew ?
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And despite all his accomplishments Rodney has always aesthetically looked the worst on a skateboard . Unwatchable.
If you watch planet earth silver, almost the 50percent of the team is fucked up, apart Kenny Andenerson, Jason King ( very nice part and low profile pro ), Caesar and Jowy Bast. I'm not wonder if the company died few years later.
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In terms of productivity falling off a cliff when they turn from Am to Pro, then I would say Jake Duncombe.
He had some heavy shit leading up to that. Dumb note: I always call him Jake Dumb Cum. It's stupid but makes me laugh
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Rick J was at least twice as good as Dave Duren
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In speed freaks rob roskopp had a single of a fakie Ollie decker on a mini ramp . I’m always triggered by how revered his board graphics are , by how badly he sucked .
Jeff Grosso's part is him getting his eyebrows shaved and then by his own admission a really mediocre run because he was hung over and had no eyebrows. Grosso's career read's like an anti drug PSA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKpKmpl-34Q
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Rick J was at least twice as good as Dave Duren
Dave Duren fs 180 backward nosegrinded the fence where Mariano did fs tailslide in a line in Mouse, and ss fs flip double set whehre ellington in baker 3 ss flip. Enough said. Duren was good, never seen Jaramillo skate good amount of stairs a part some small rails.
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Brent Atchley
K Terp
Josh Kasper
Brent Atchley are you serious? The dude flows like a cold drink on a summer afternoon. You're tripping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSDdo5n8API
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Brent Atchley
K Terp
Josh Kasper
Brent Atchley are you serious? The dude flows like a cold drink on a summer afternoon. You're tripping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSDdo5n8API
He was a one hit wonder for sure, but he made an impact in his short career. I still love this song because of this part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8pKE6chpbY
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Brent Atchley is probably my favorite skateboarder ever, so it pains me to see him mentioned here, but I get it. If you can define being a "bad" pro as aligning with mediocre brands, not living in LA, not promoting yourself or kissing up to the right people, then sure he's a bad professional.
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glad to see some names mentioned here that I agree with, but was wondering if I was being too harsh. I guess not
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Shaun White takes the cake, surely?
He has a face I want to punch whenever I see it.
Jason Jessee is just a terrible human being, with a short burst of progressive vert skating that lasted all of, what? Six months? Then he broke his leg, became a total pussy and dove fully into the mormon lifestyle of guilt and meth.
Gator was an amazing skateboarder, to see him skate in person was something. But rape, murder, prison and personality just takes any accomplishments on his board away instantly, leaving only a puddle of blood and shit and sweat and yoga and broccoli.
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He did so many mediocre things, 13 years ago. Jesus man, he sucks. Prove me wrong.
rewatch his part in fully flared and then focus your account
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Sean Pablo
Manny Santiago has never done anything I didn’t despise with every fiber of my being
Blondie
Whoever said Nick Jensen can eat a fat cock btw
:'(
wanted to see how long before he came up
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He did so many mediocre things, 13 years ago. Jesus man, he sucks. Prove me wrong.
rewatch his part in fully flared and then focus your account
There is a case to be made that he was a bad pro because he would never wear the sponsors clothing, etc that he was given - according to Carroll, so he might be a bad professional, but by NO metric is he a bad skateboarder
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Have we said Duane yet? Duane is a fucking embarrassment to skating and punk
Some of those kids that who were pro for neighborhood in the mid 90s weren't actually that good...
who the fuck put Leo Valls on their list?
Prawn Powers was never pro and I guess that's his only redeeming quality
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the program with this goddamn thread is that it was never said how we're judging pros.
aesthetic? personality? ability on a skate board? all 3 lead to wildly different answers.
Maybe you guys can pick up to three in each category and then go back to the stickied Wellness and Outreach Support thread (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115189.0) and pretend you're not hypocrites.
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Chris Roberts
Rob Dyrdek
Steve Berra
And Jose Rojo because the last two don’t really count since they’re awful by default.
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Sean Pablo
Manny Santiago has never done anything I didn’t despise with every fiber of my being
i was first to mention him. just saying
:'(
wanted to see how long before he came up
i was first to mention him. just saying
:'(
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the program with this goddamn thread is that it was never said how we're judging pros.
aesthetic? personality? ability on a skate board? all 3 lead to wildly different answers.
I mean you'd think Richie Jackson would get big X's in all of those boxes but some people's aunties on Facebook would strongly disagree.
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In speed freaks rob roskopp had a single of a fakie Ollie decker on a mini ramp . I’m always triggered by how revered his board graphics are , by how badly he sucked .
I always wondered how he was pro for bombing a footpath & skating a ditch to shit music, but people were pro for contests at the time, not videos. Never really heard of him at the time though, asides from his board series.
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How has rick jaramillo,s name come up without mentioning Dennis bellew ?
this Rick J's part i really good, seems he started slow down after this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1oM2SFV2iA&feature=youtu.be
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Roskopp was before my time, but I think if you go through 80's Thrashers or Transworlds, you can see why he was regarded as one of the top pros during that time. Not only was he in the contests pages winning, he had tons of ads and he looks fucking awesome on those photos. Plus he was also a early street skater in addition to vert.
There's bunch of other answers here too that I don't get and like I understand why people wouldn't like Dyrdek in 2021, but he was super loyal to AWS for a long time and looked good on a skateboard, so I wouldn't call him "the worst" in any means.
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Dyrdek fucking ripped when he was on vans, he used to come and do tours in Australia and just murder all our spots!
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Dyrdek fucking ripped when he was on vans, he used to come and do tours in Australia and just murder all our spots!
And it appears the guy is ultra ultra marketable. Fairly large part of professional skateboarding.
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Chris Roberts
Rob Dyrdek
Steve Berra
And Jose Rojo because the last two don’t really count since they’re awful by default.
I'd love to hear how Dyrdek was a "bad" pro. He produced a bunch of footage spanned out over his decently long career, sold a ton of product, ripped demos and gave back a TON to skateboarding out of his own pocket in multiple ways.
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Chris Roberts
Rob Dyrdek
Steve Berra
And Jose Rojo because the last two don’t really count since they’re awful by default.
I'd love to hear how Dyrdek was a "bad" pro. He produced a bunch of footage spanned out over his decently long career, sold a ton of product, ripped demos and gave back a TON to skateboarding out of his own pocket in multiple ways.
Agree with this about Dyrdek. He ripped before all the MTV schnanagins, ad did a lot for skateboarding. Also- I like to watch Jose Rojo skate.
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the program with this goddamn thread is that it was never said how we're judging pros.
aesthetic? personality? ability on a skate board? all 3 lead to wildly different answers.
The OP did clarify they were talking about personality
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the program with this goddamn thread is that it was never said how we're judging pros.
aesthetic? personality? ability on a skate board? all 3 lead to wildly different answers.
Yeah that's boring though, this entire messageboard is shitting on pros' personalities we don't need to rate them. The skill argument is more interesting
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the program with this goddamn thread is that it was never said how we're judging pros.
aesthetic? personality? ability on a skate board? all 3 lead to wildly different answers.
Yeah that's boring though, this entire messageboard is shitting on pros' personalities we don't need to rate them. The skill argument is more interesting
skill argument is way more fun, and makes me feel like im 15 and hanging out at my local skate park again, talking shit with my friends
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the program with this goddamn thread is that it was never said how we're judging pros.
aesthetic? personality? ability on a skate board? all 3 lead to wildly different answers.
Yeah that's boring though, this entire messageboard is shitting on pros' personalities we don't need to rate them. The skill argument is more interesting
skill argument is way more fun, and makes me feel like im 15 and hanging out at my local skate park again, talking shit with my friends
I feel bad talking shit on pros’ skill because maybe they’ll read it and feel bad about themselves. unless I also think they’re assholes, like Bam
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Chris dobstaff - awful style, bad tricks selection
Chet Thomas - had a career based on his ability to hardflip
Nate Sherwood - one of the worst style in the game plus he has the face of a trisomic
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this reminds me of the time the Dew Tour came to Portland in the early/mid 00s and some (not all) of the vert dudes decided to go skate burnside. I have never seen so many dudes who got paid by big sponsors, not be able to carve corners or actually skate anything that wasn't back and forth.... glad transition/vert has progressed.
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Chris dobstaff - awful style, bad tricks selection
Chet Thomas - had a career based on his ability to hardflip
Nate Sherwood - one of the worst style in the game plus he has the face of a trisomic
While Dobstaff might have one of the worst style's, personalities, and trick selections in pro skateboarding, he also did some really fucked up tricks. He also got a Thrasher cover in the height of the gnar-phase of the 2000s.
I feel kinda the same about Chet. I never liked watching him skate, but he definitely did some tricks nobody else could do. And while I think the hardflip certainly defined the later stage of his career, he was a child prodigy from the late 80s that could fuck up a mini ramp and the streets.
Also, Nate Sherwood is really the low-hanging fruit here, isn't he? Weak pick. He wasn't even a legit pro.
You're going to go pick these three while leaving TK and Felix Arguelles out of the question?
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this reminds me of the time the Dew Tour came to Portland in the early/mid 00s and some (not all) of the vert dudes decided to go skate burnside. I have never seen so many dudes who got paid by big sponsors, not be able to carve corners or actually skate anything that wasn't back and forth.... glad transition/vert has progressed.
Who were some of them? This is interesting, I always assumed vert skaters could shred a park at least somewhat. Usually, I remember being surprised by what a lot of vert dudes can do away from the ramp.
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Chris dobstaff - awful style, bad tricks selection
Chet Thomas - had a career based on his ability to hardflip
Nate Sherwood - one of the worst style in the game plus he has the face of a trisomic
While Dobstaff might have one of the worst style's, personalities, and trick selections in pro skateboarding, he also did some really fucked up tricks. He also got a Thrasher cover in the height of the gnar-phase of the 2000s.
I feel kinda the same about Chet. I never liked watching him skate, but he definitely did some tricks nobody else could do. And while I think the hardflip certainly defined the later stage of his career, he was a child prodigy from the late 80s that could fuck up a mini ramp and the streets.
Also, Nate Sherwood is really the low-hanging fruit here, isn't he? Weak pick. He wasn't even a legit pro.
You're going to go pick these three while leaving TK and Felix Arguelles out of the question?
if you've ever seen Chet skate in real life you'd have a much different story, all those quarter pipe tricks he did in video parts were first try at demos
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In speed freaks rob roskopp had a single of a fakie Ollie decker on a mini ramp . I’m always triggered by how revered his board graphics are , by how badly he sucked .
I always wondered how he was pro for bombing a footpath & skating a ditch to shit music, but people were pro for contests at the time, not videos. Never really heard of him at the time though, asides from his board series.
Didn't Roskopp decide to retire cuz he couldn't learn to Mctwist? the timeframes seem off cuz I feel like he had a board till the early 90s, but either wheels or fire or Streets of fire they fake him doing a Mctwist in the intro. a Bailed Mctwist merged with a landed backside air.
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Chris dobstaff - awful style, bad tricks selection
Chet Thomas - had a career based on his ability to hardflip
Nate Sherwood - one of the worst style in the game plus he has the face of a trisomic
While Dobstaff might have one of the worst style's, personalities, and trick selections in pro skateboarding, he also did some really fucked up tricks. He also got a Thrasher cover in the height of the gnar-phase of the 2000s.
I feel kinda the same about Chet. I never liked watching him skate, but he definitely did some tricks nobody else could do. And while I think the hardflip certainly defined the later stage of his career, he was a child prodigy from the late 80s that could fuck up a mini ramp and the streets.
Also, Nate Sherwood is really the low-hanging fruit here, isn't he? Weak pick. He wasn't even a legit pro.
You're going to go pick these three while leaving TK and Felix Arguelles out of the question?
I can't tell if you think Chet rips or sucks.
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this reminds me of the time the Dew Tour came to Portland in the early/mid 00s and some (not all) of the vert dudes decided to go skate burnside. I have never seen so many dudes who got paid by big sponsors, not be able to carve corners or actually skate anything that wasn't back and forth.... glad transition/vert has progressed.
Who were some of them? This is interesting, I always assumed vert skaters could shred a park at least somewhat. Usually, I remember being surprised by what a lot of vert dudes can do away from the ramp.
I was lucky to see a shit ton of pros come through and skate FDR back in the late 90s-2010. It was more common to see "street" pros who had a tough time although I remember Brian Patch and Rune Glifberg showing up the day of some TV contest and having kind of a shitty time. Rune said he had a hard time keeping speed and Patch simply declared the park sucked and macked on jailbait back at Bam's. (Omar Hassan came three days early, learned a bunch of lines and won it)
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this reminds me of the time the Dew Tour came to Portland in the early/mid 00s and some (not all) of the vert dudes decided to go skate burnside. I have never seen so many dudes who got paid by big sponsors, not be able to carve corners or actually skate anything that wasn't back and forth.... glad transition/vert has progressed.
Who were some of them? This is interesting, I always assumed vert skaters could shred a park at least somewhat. Usually, I remember being surprised by what a lot of vert dudes can do away from the ramp.
Mainly the guys who skated the Dew Tour vert ramp, not the park dudes, obviously. It's been so long I wouldn't want to out anyone and be wrong, haha. I just remember a few dudes had their trucks so tight they wouldn't have been able to carve, even if they could. maybe they were having an off day, I dunno, I was just surprised.... I can say it WASNT guys like Bucky or Omar etc...
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this reminds me of the time the Dew Tour came to Portland in the early/mid 00s and some (not all) of the vert dudes decided to go skate burnside. I have never seen so many dudes who got paid by big sponsors, not be able to carve corners or actually skate anything that wasn't back and forth.... glad transition/vert has progressed.
Who were some of them? This is interesting, I always assumed vert skaters could shred a park at least somewhat. Usually, I remember being surprised by what a lot of vert dudes can do away from the ramp.
Mainly the guys who skated the Dew Tour vert ramp, not the park dudes, obviously. It's been so long I wouldn't want to out anyone and be wrong, haha. I just remember a few dudes had their trucks so tight they wouldn't have been able to carve, even if they could. maybe they were having an off day, I dunno, I was just surprised.... I can say it WASNT guys like Bucky or Omar etc...
I came up in the late 80’s and 90’s and took about a ten year break where I never skated on a regular basis. All the concrete parks popped up in that time. I had no idea how to ride a park despite being a huge fan of mini ramps before that. It took a while to learn to keep moving in a flow bowl scenario.
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Aren’t the worst the ones that turn themselves pro ?
Back in the day I hated Nate Sherwood skate style
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Chris dobstaff - awful style, bad tricks selection
Chet Thomas - had a career based on his ability to hardflip
Nate Sherwood - one of the worst style in the game plus he has the face of a trisomic
While Dobstaff might have one of the worst style's, personalities, and trick selections in pro skateboarding, he also did some really fucked up tricks. He also got a Thrasher cover in the height of the gnar-phase of the 2000s.
I feel kinda the same about Chet. I never liked watching him skate, but he definitely did some tricks nobody else could do. And while I think the hardflip certainly defined the later stage of his career, he was a child prodigy from the late 80s that could fuck up a mini ramp and the streets.
Also, Nate Sherwood is really the low-hanging fruit here, isn't he? Weak pick. He wasn't even a legit pro.
You're going to go pick these three while leaving TK and Felix Arguelles out of the question?
Not arguing with your picks.
We've seen many pros in companies that are not deserving their spots because low skills and bad style.
But I think this topic is about personal opinions. For me those three pros are awful and I skipped their part everytime I see their name appear.
I think i can add LENNY RIVAS also. throwing gangsta signs with the worst style, low speed and some awful nollie inward heel.
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Chad Fernandez
Dave Mayhew
Dave Coyne
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KA doesn’t see anything wrong with a love potion/roofie board graphic
http://www.instagram.com/p/CLuQpQujCP7/?igshid=wocyf5cii0s5 (http://www.instagram.com/p/CLuQpQujCP7/?igshid=wocyf5cii0s5)
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damn chocolate really fuckin sucks in 2021.
free max b
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Chris Roberts
Rob Dyrdek
Steve Berra
And Jose Rojo because the last two don’t really count since they’re awful by default.
I'd love to hear how Dyrdek was a "bad" pro. He produced a bunch of footage spanned out over his decently long career, sold a ton of product, ripped demos and gave back a TON to skateboarding out of his own pocket in multiple ways.
Agree with this about Dyrdek. He ripped before all the MTV schnanagins, ad did a lot for skateboarding. Also- I like to watch Jose Rojo skate.
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You know who else sucked? The Pappas brothers
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Aaron Herrington has been complete garbage since turning pro.
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You know who else sucked? The Pappas brothers
a child Tom Schaar and Mitchie Brusco both landed a 900 before Tas Pappas and they still made a whole "documentary" about how he was screwed over by Tony Hawk.
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i’m basing this off of personal combination of trick selection and memorability (i.e. the ability to communicate your personal style effectively)
1. phil hajal
2. chad fernandez
3. shaun white (i don’t know if skateboarding can truly have an industry plant but if it did it’s him)
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You know who else sucked? The Pappas brothers
Member when his doc failed to mention that Globe put on an entire contest in Australia set up for Tas to land the 900 first and be the hero, and he couldn't do it?
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Woah! A lot of hate here for Josh Harmony! The pretty boy was pretty good. Suffer the Joy (a weak Toy Machine film in general) starts out with parts from Matt B and Austin Stephens that look like they were played in slow motion. Really not good. Then Josh rips to Lil Richard! Its a good part!
Jose Rojo is a weird call for this list too! But he has that weird Eldridge thing where his best footage came from his am days. His tricks in Man Down were chill but then years later he had like a one minute part in Oververt.
My pick for worst pro is MIKEY TAYLOR. He never developed a style of his own and changed his fit as soon as something else became trendy. In ADDition you have the sins of annoying post-skate career and a terrible social media shtick. An overall annoying and grating skater. I wish i could delete his part from Skate More.
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My pick for worst pro is MIKEY TAYLOR. He never developed a style of his own and changed his fit as soon as something else became trendy. In ADDition you have the sins of annoying post-skate career and a terrible social media shtick. An overall annoying and grating skater. I wish i could delete his part from Skate More.
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Chetty Thomas had that akward park ripper contest style look and vibe. Kind of thing where you are sitting back relaxing watching his video part and coming away inspired to go out and roll. Your just watching it seeing whats possible and going huh, weird bag of tricks but he sure does his thing.
Then he sold a fuckload of shoes to a point where they were re-released to a bunch of people that had no business skateboarding and for that, he doesnt count as the worst pro. Because he surely made globe a TON of money.
And he made for a reference in that Jimmy Carlin video.
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jason rothmeyer? no, he could flow but leigh peterson? someone said gagne, he wasn't 'bad' just bad to look at. if he's one of the worst we've gotta add kelch to the list.
serge trudnoski was pretty limited in trick selection.
feel like peter bici didn't do many tricks either.
ryan hickey was great to watch in the few tricks he filmed but for being unproductive, he's up there.
I was totally considering mentioning James Kelch. He's a huge personality, but never really produced anything remarkable. I think he just lived off his EMB ambassador role for as long as possible.
Serge Trudnowski was pro? I thought he just rode for Sub Zero. He was part of a heavy crew, but yeah, so overshadowed by Fred Gall, Ricky Oyola and Matt Reason.
Totally agree about Peter Bici and, to a lesser extent, Ryan Hickey. They looked like male models and had lots of style, but didn't put much out there. I mean, shit, Hickey was on Stereo for a minute, so he must've really had something that most of us didn't get to see. Anyone that was on Stereo 92-96 gets a pass from me, but that was my favorite company at the time, so I'm biased.
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Keelan Dadd gets honorable mention for pimping out underage babyscumbucket, bitching about $10k monthly checks and dubbing himself switchgod. Kooked himself out of the industry.
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And despite all his accomplishments Rodney has always aesthetically looked the worst on a skateboard . Unwatchable.
Very controversial, but the truth hurts. About a year ago, I tried explaining this to my non-skater friend who said his favorite skater of all-time was Rodney Mullen. It was impossible to get him to understand why style usually trumps heavy technical skill. I just stressed how Mullen looks very awkward while skating (mainly due to his freestyle champ foundation); not to mention his lack of fashion sense. That being said, 1989 Rubbish Heap into 1990 Rodney during (his final freestyle days) looked pretty rad in pegged pants and World t-shirts that weren't XXL. I have so much love and respect for the Mutt, but yeah... aesthetically speaking, he's a bit of a mess.
this is interesting. but yeah, as much of a legend he is i'll never rewatch any of his footage cause i actually cant stand looking at it. aesthetics are a HUGE part of the appeal of skateboarding, like it or not.
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Chet Thomas may have been tasteless but he was far from being the worst. Like him or hate him he had his own original thing going on. Definitely merits having been pro.
http://www.instagram.com/p/CLjlGhqFUJv/
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Ima go wit Richie Jackson cuz he sucks
And Chuck Wampler cuz he sucks
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somebody has seen baker2g, sight unseen, chicagof and baker 3 and still called dustin dollin a bottom 3 pro in the history of skateboarding.
lol what a fucking idiot.
tk is in there. laughable 'skill' even in his prime.
probably didn't have a board but honorable mention to roger mancha, whose part in street cinema used to make me and my friends laugh super hard, especially the multiple times he very nearly falls just pushing.
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somebody has seen baker2g, sight unseen, chicagof and baker 3 and still called dustin dollin a bottom 3 pro in the history of skateboarding.
lol what a fucking idiot.
tk is in there. laughable 'skill' even in his prime.
probably didn't have a board but honorable mention to roger mancha, whose part in street cinema used to make me and my friends laugh super hard, especially the multiple times he very nearly falls just pushing.
holy shit you are so right, I forgot about that part, the funniest part is mancha act all hard here in BR, he really thinks he is the shit lmao, cool guy and came long way, but fuck that style, I guess we can debate worst style ever? I guess would be between him and jeffwonsong
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Holy shit that guy's got the longest arms I've ever seen, they're practically dragging on the floor when he sets up for a trick
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1. Neal Hendrix (for obvious reasons)
2. Alex Sorgente (for doing that on video)
3. Nyjah (see a pattern here?)
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Are we talking skill or personality? Sinner either way
Now look-- I think Sinner is a fried moron with a pile of horseshit for a brain just as much as the next guy-- but to claim he never ripped is a bit disingenuous.
I liked him better when he was just PAT
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Todd Falcon is up there
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In the defense of Austin Stephens and correct me if I'm wrong here. Didn't Ed turn him pro just before he had his injury? I heard his injury happened sometime after This is Skateboarding but before Good and Evil and he never really healed from it which makes sense if you compare those two parts. Also, it seems to me that Austin was very aware of his status in the industry and chose to retire from pro skateboarding by his own will. That sort of self awareness makes it impossible for me to put him on a list like this. Same goes for Shane Heyl who got a pro model on Baker which was more like a homie thing and not for being an actual pro skateboarder, something he was very well aware of and down with.
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that being said
my top 3 is Gareth Stehr, Austin Stephens, Josh Harmony. 2004 was a dark year
Gareth Stehr is a lock in this discussion.
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After reading this dumpster fire of a thread, I think I figured out three that fit both criteria.
1.) Jay Adams and friends picked a fight with a gay couple and said some horrible racist and homophobic shit to the one Black dude. After assaulting him, he left as his friends killed the guy. His religiously-based homophobia continued up until his death. On the skating front, he ironically got his whole style from a Black surf/skate pioneer in Larry Bertlemann. Old ass skaters still lionize him (source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jmbbk3/maybe-we-shouldnt-be-so-sentimental-about-a-gay-bashing-skateboarder-658)
2.) Gator had his heyday but it REALLY didn't translate after vert died. Dude sucked at street, even for the time. He punched that kid in Australia, became a bible thumper, and then somehow still stalked his ex girlfriend before raping and killing her best friend.
3.) 1010 was more image over results, as his reign on (or near) the top was short like leprechauns. He keeps saying and doing racist and kooky shit. It's lame that he gets a pass from some of his friends in the industry via his sponsors, but even skateboarding has a good ol' boys network. God bless Peanut Brown.
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Yeah Jay Adams is in top 3 for sure!
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned Spanky. His bag of tricks is super shallow and his forever grom style is hard to watch.
Ali boulala was always cringey, dude is way too obsessed with himself.
And fuck it I'll say Ryan Sheckler for lying about El Toro
Eldridge had some killer tricks despite the lack of footage.
Whoever thinks Pat Duffy, go watch Plan B Questionable.
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I remember Ronson Lambert being pretty boring. Not sure if he ever went pro though.
I hate saying Daniel Castillo because it seemed like he was pretty productive back in the day but by the time he went pro he wasn't doing a whole lot.
Does Doug Brown count? Always saw him as more of a con artist.
Felix Arguelles is tough to watch.
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Some of you are putting your own agenda into this a bit too much. It’s still Austin Stephens.
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned Spanky. His bag of tricks is super shallow and his forever grom style is hard to watch.
Ali boulala was always cringey, dude is way too obsessed with himself.
And fuck it I'll say Ryan Sheckler for lying about El Toro
Eldridge had some killer tricks despite the lack of footage.
Whoever thinks Pat Duffy, go watch Plan B Questionable.
I mentioned Duffy because of his social media bullshit. I am very aware of how good he is. By ‘worst pro’ I wasn’t exclusively thinking of skills at the time. My apologies to SLAP for the misunderstanding.
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2. Alex Sorgente (for doing that on video)
I must have missed this one. What did Sorgente do?
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Who was that kid for blind who could only Ollie just enough to carcass toss himself down 20+ stair rails and hubbas? I’d like to add him into the convo.
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I feel like Jordan Richter should be included in the worst pro conversation just because he's best known for having perhaps the most skipped past / "vert buttoned" part ever and for being a huge kook.
Pat Duffy's social media breaks my heart.
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Kelch had dumb pop and the ill backside game, even though his style was trash.
Al Gar (Al Garcia)
Josh Harmony
Justin Roy
Matt Pailes
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kevin white genuinely sucks. It was like a make-a-wish thing for him to be pro
joey brezinski I'd rather watch paint dry.
daniel espinoza is a knee knocking lil weakling.
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Kelch had dumb pop and the ill backside game, even though his style was trash.
Al Gar (Al Garcia)
Josh Harmony
Justin Roy
Matt Pailes
I had soft spot for Justin Roy in the Hollywood Skateboards day, but I get it.
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Who was that kid for blind who could only Ollie just enough to carcass toss himself down 20+ stair rails and hubbas? I’d like to add him into the convo.
Carlos Ruiz... I liked the mini documentary about him. The documentary really humanized a dude that was easy to hate. And, fucking Knox and Aaron Snyder are so annoying Carlos seems charming comparison.
Fuck I wonder what Carlos's image would have been if he didn't get the absolute worst song/edit ever. I understand Blind was trying to appeal to kids at the time, but man, Dennis Martin introduced Carlos to the world in the worst way possible... it pains me to say it, but dude's image probably would have been a lot better if he was found by the chief. Although, probably for the better as the chief would have exploited the shit out of him and Creager was honest about what a pro career actually looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD1Fv3UTIJg&t=1s
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Who was that kid for blind who could only Ollie just enough to carcass toss himself down 20+ stair rails and hubbas? I’d like to add him into the convo.
WARNING: that shit was f!%cked up!
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1- Richie Jackson
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somebody has seen baker2g, sight unseen, chicagof and baker 3 and still called dustin dollin a bottom 3 pro in the history of skateboarding.
lol what a fucking idiot.
tk is in there. laughable 'skill' even in his prime.
probably didn't have a board but honorable mention to roger mancha, whose part in street cinema used to make me and my friends laugh super hard, especially the multiple times he very nearly falls just pushing.
You've blown my mind bringing up Rogerio Mancha! I bought a board off him at the 99 Radlands comp cos he was pretty much the only person left with boards to sell and in my mind I'd gotten it twisted and thought I bought one off Rodrigo TX before he'd blown up. On a side note, I asked Sheffey to sell me a board he replied "sorry Homie I don't do that" and then invited me to share a joint with him a Gershon. Sheffey fucking ruled that weekend.
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Who was that kid for blind who could only Ollie just enough to carcass toss himself down 20+ stair rails and hubbas? I’d like to add him into the convo.
Carlos Ruiz... I liked the mini documentary about him. The documentary really humanized a dude that was easy to hate. And, fucking Knox and Aaron Snyder are so annoying Carlos seems charming comparison.
Fuck I wonder what Carlos's image would have been if he didn't get the absolute worst song/edit ever. I understand Blind was trying to appeal to kids at the time, but man, Dennis Martin introduced Carlos to the world in the worst way possible... it pains me to say it, but dude's image probably would have been a lot better if he was found by the chief. Although, probably for the better as the chief would have exploited the shit out of him and Creager was honest about what a pro career actually looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD1Fv3UTIJg&t=1s
Thanks for sharing this, I'd never seen it before. Definitely changed my perspective of him.
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Pick 3 from the Menace team. I was a huge fan of the brand, but seeing them skate in person was really underwhelming. Pupecki spent an hour setting up a board and didn't land anything. He also skated REALLY slow.
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Joshua Screech Sandoval
"🇺🇸🦅🐍American patriot no if and or butts
If you dont like our country you could leave"
dumb
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Joshua Screech Sandoval
"🇺🇸🦅🐍American patriot no if and or butts
If you dont like our country you could leave"
dumb
Was screech pro for Scum?
Kid ripped back in the day. Weird what he's become but not surprising.
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Joshua Screech Sandoval
"🇺🇸🦅🐍American patriot no if and or butts
If you dont like our country you could leave"
dumb
don’t you think i’d leave if i could, screech ?
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And despite all his accomplishments Rodney has always aesthetically looked the worst on a skateboard . Unwatchable.
Very controversial, but the truth hurts. About a year ago, I tried explaining this to my non-skater friend who said his favorite skater of all-time was Rodney Mullen. It was impossible to get him to understand why style usually trumps heavy technical skill. I just stressed how Mullen looks very awkward while skating (mainly due to his freestyle champ foundation); not to mention his lack of fashion sense. That being said, 1989 Rubbish Heap into 1990 Rodney during (his final freestyle days) looked pretty rad in pegged pants and World t-shirts that weren't XXL. I have so much love and respect for the Mutt, but yeah... aesthetically speaking, he's a bit of a mess.
this is interesting. but yeah, as much of a legend he is i'll never rewatch any of his footage cause i actually cant stand looking at it. aesthetics are a HUGE part of the appeal of skateboarding, like it or not.
So in a conversation of the worst skateboarders in history you bring up the guy that invented the flat ground Ollie, the kickflip, and the 360 flip. I don’t like watching him skate either but put some respect on his name.
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the worst pros are hjalte, oski and dane Brady
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Joshua Screech Sandoval
"🇺🇸🦅🐍American patriot no if and or butts
If you dont like our country you could leave"
dumb
Was screech pro for Scum?
Kid ripped back in the day. Weird what he's become but not surprising.
It says zero skateboards on his profile. But looks like he is a truck driver now. Dude looks constantly faded.
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the worst pros are hjalte, oski and dane Brady
Dude's really taking "kook" to new heights.
Also, the goblin who said that Jimmy Lannon is the worst needs their fingers revoked.
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Patrick Melcher: kook
Andy Roy: kook
Paolo Diaz: yeah, yeah I know it’s about style and all but it never appealed to me... ability wise I thought he was a tad overrated.
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Maité Steenhoudt , Jarne Verbruggen and Phil Zwijsen
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After reading this dumpster fire of a thread, I think I figured out three that fit both criteria.
1.) Jay Adams and friends picked a fight with a gay couple and said some horrible racist and homophobic shit to the one Black dude. After assaulting him, he left as his friends killed the guy. His religiously-based homophobia continued up until his death. On the skating front, he ironically got his whole style from a Black surf/skate pioneer in Larry Bertlemann. Old ass skaters still lionize him (source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jmbbk3/maybe-we-shouldnt-be-so-sentimental-about-a-gay-bashing-skateboarder-658)
2.) Gator had his heyday but it REALLY didn't translate after vert died. Dude sucked at street, even for the time. He punched that kid in Australia, became a bible thumper, and then somehow still stalked his ex girlfriend before raping and killing her best friend.
3.) 1010 was more image over results, as his reign on (or near) the top was short like leprechauns. He keeps saying and doing racist and kooky shit. It's lame that he gets a pass from some of his friends in the industry via his sponsors, but even skateboarding has a good ol' boys network. God bless Peanut Brown.
jay adams wasn't the worst skill-wise but im glad that pos is in the dirt
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Holy shit that guy's got the longest arms I've ever seen, they're practically dragging on the floor when he sets up for a trick
I just tried to squish that bug in your profile lol
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Joshua Screech Sandoval
"🇺🇸🦅🐍American patriot no if and or butts
If you dont like our country you could leave"
dumb
Was screech pro for Scum?
Kid ripped back in the day. Weird what he's become but not surprising.
It says zero skateboards on his profile. But looks like he is a truck driver now. Dude looks constantly faded.
I've been told that this dude had the literal "shittiest upbringing" with parents on drugs and whatnot... I've seen him around skating over the years... don't know him personally at all so I won't speak about him as a person. But, I was there the day he shot that full pipe photo. I have been around a lot of gnarly shit in my days, but this was one of the gnarliest things I have ever seen in person, hands down. He rolled up while we were at the same ditch, he had a "filmer" there (basically his friend with a digi-cam type thing) and was like "I'm gonna loop this".... all of us were like sure, sure (that full pipe is not easy to skate in any way, shape or form plus it was damp inside) within like 10 tries he was looping it and sliding out. Pulled it a few tries later, then started trying to loop revert it while upside down, which he pulled but slid out. I was with some heavy concrete dudes and we all were there totally shocked....
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that hyun guy on instagram with the stanky leg and the shitty compressed trendy rap music over skatepark clips. Not to mention the laughably out of date hypebeast fashion
So out of all of the pros in history you choose him? What do you hate more? Rap music or Asians?
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Pick 3 from the Menace team. I was a huge fan of the brand, but seeing them skate in person was really underwhelming. Pupecki spent an hour setting up a board and didn't land anything. He also skated REALLY slow.
I had a similar experience having seen and skated with them a few times. A lot of shitty early 90s attitude to go with it too.
(referring to Menace in general not Pupecki).
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I’m gonna go with worst pros objectively speaking (ie, skill wise) in no order.
Ragdoll
Gareth Sterh
Patrick Melcher
Roger Mancha
Jub
Harold Hunter
Kevin White
Shawn Powers
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Maité Steenhoudt , Jarne Verbruggen and Phil Zwijsen
Lol first post and then naming 3 dudes from Belgium who rip hard. This must be some kind of personal feud.
Did they take "your" spot at a local team? Did they make fun of you at the park? Fill us in bro, this is SLAP, we thrive on gossip and mud.
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Maité Steenhoudt , Jarne Verbruggen and Phil Zwijsen
you must hate the antwerp/lockwood connection
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Brent Atchley
K Terp
Josh Kasper
Made an account just to say this. What series of events happened where this opinion formed, and you decided that you agreed with it? Brent Atchley is a treasure. Genuinely curious on how anybody could think this at all. In all my years of lurking, I have never seen a worse opinion on the entire internet, let alone SLAP. Shame on you, you sad man.
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
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Shawn Powers has got to be in this conversation. People saying Brent Atchley are insane. Also Sinner is a kook but he was very good for a brief period of time.
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leo valls x3
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and if dan corrigan ever goes pro
dan corrigan x2
leo valls x1
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been said already but:
shawn powers
josh harmony
tas pappas
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Patrick Melcher: kook
Andy Roy: kook
Paolo Diaz: yeah, yeah I know it’s about style and all but it never appealed to me... ability wise I thought he was a tad overrated.
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Fair, post yourself switch Ollie’ing and switch bs olliieing a picnic table. Get yo respect!
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I'm assuming we mean skill wise, so Danny Way can't be on here.
Corey O'Brien had one of the best selling models on Santa Cruz in their heyday and I don't think he skated anything but curbs and mini ramps. Cool 80s hair though.
Eric Sanderson is a good choice for this category.
Lizard King for modern suckage.
Nah. Lizard rips. The few times I saw him skate demos he went harder than everybody. I respect the hell out of that.
agreed, Lizard kicked ass.
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Yonnie Crus, Daryl Angel and Jeremy Rogers.
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d way, david loy, jagger eaton
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Wow that was quick…too true
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Bro honestly you guys hate on Patrick Melcher a lil too hard he did hurricane Wilshire 15 and 180 fakie 5-0 a fat rail
Heard he used to flip shit if anyone called him pat tho
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I already said Jordan Richter earlier, but I'm just going to go ahead and say it again.
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Gator
Andy Roy
Jason Jessee
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Patrick Melcher: kook
Andy Roy: kook
Paolo Diaz: yeah, yeah I know it’s about style and all but it never appealed to me... ability wise I thought he was a tad overrated.
Sorry :-(
I agree. He peaked in Ban This as far as I'm concerned.
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SAD. Any one mention him?
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SAD. Any one mention him?
SAD was sick you're nuts.
Has Nate Sherwood come up?
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Berra
Dyrdek
Biebel
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Berra
Dyrdek
Biebel
that could be the list.
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if we're talking skill/personality, i didn't see evan mock on here yet, but since he's on rvca and has his own clothing line i feel like he counts enough. while i don't know if he's one of the absolute worst 3 he's pretty unbearable. skates like a worse sean pablo if sean skated a little more transition with a (somehow) smaller bag of tricks done with less style, did the dylan skater-->model/celebrity transition but far less gracefully (and at this point has mostly ditched skating altogether), commits the cardinal sin of not even staring, but giving a stupid shit-eating grin straight at the fucking camera every single time he lands a lazy fs air, and pretty much only got a platform because he was the best kid at his park and frank oceans friend liked his hair. i guess he doesn't have a board though so idk if he really counts
also hate on this one if you want but talking pure technical skills maite might be the single worst pro with a board, male or female. she has a pretty good style sometimes, and seems like a rad human, but has the single smallest bag of tricks and ability of almost any pro regardless of gender. no offense, but when 1/3 of your clips are literally just drop-ins on banks and fs slashes in 2021...
final aside but in terms of style only, i really cannot fucking stand jeff dechesare. worst trick selection, arm steeze, and clothing choice of literally anyone in skateboarding currently. has he ever actually caught a flip trick before and not just landed anywhere but bolts on his board, milliseconds before it hit the ground? can he bs 50-50? has he ever done anything besides huck ugly shit down gaps? i seriously will never understand the hype behind him
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Good Good
Let the hate flow through you
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been said already but:
shawn powers
josh harmony
tas pappas
Tas!?! He landed the 900 before tony(i know, i know but it happened none the less)and was a top tier pro vert skater for a few years.
I feel like the pals are confused by “worst” and “hated”
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been said already but:
shawn powers
josh harmony
tas pappas
I feel like the pals are confused by “worst” and “hated”
where's the proof? as far as i know he landed it for the first time just a couple years ago on a megaramp
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a lot of ppl say tas is just a bitter old junkie lol :-X i never watched the doc so im not gonna comment
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been said already but:
shawn powers
josh harmony
tas pappas
I feel like the pals are confused by “worst” and “hated”
where's the proof? as far as i know he landed it for the first time just a couple years ago on a megaramp
Theres some footage floating around or at least him getting damn close. Doesn’t matter.
Regardless of when, he did it. That alone takes him out of the running.
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a lot of ppl say tas is just a bitter old junkie lol :-X i never watched the doc so im not gonna comment
the doc is worth watching
australians are the most quotable people ever
its like jisoe except with 90’s skating instead of galvs and buges
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been said already but:
shawn powers
josh harmony
tas pappas
I feel like the pals are confused by “worst” and “hated”
where's the proof? as far as i know he landed it for the first time just a couple years ago on a megaramp
Regardless of when, he did it. That alone takes him out of the running.
Counterpoint : nope.
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been said already but:
shawn powers
josh harmony
tas pappas
I feel like the pals are confused by “worst” and “hated”
where's the proof? as far as i know he landed it for the first time just a couple years ago on a megaramp
Regardless of when, he did it. That alone takes him out of the running.
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Chris Lambert
Austin Stephens
Vinny Vegas
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if we're talking skill/personality, i didn't see evan mock on here yet, but since he's on rvca and has his own clothing line i feel like he counts enough. while i don't know if he's one of the absolute worst 3 he's pretty unbearable. skates like a worse sean pablo if sean skated a little more transition with a (somehow) smaller bag of tricks done with less style, did the dylan skater-->model/celebrity transition but far less gracefully (and at this point has mostly ditched skating altogether), commits the cardinal sin of not even staring, but giving a stupid shit-eating grin straight at the fucking camera every single time he lands a lazy fs air, and pretty much only got a platform because he was the best kid at his park and frank oceans friend liked his hair. i guess he doesn't have a board though so idk if he really counts
also hate on this one if you want but talking pure technical skills maite might be the single worst pro with a board, male or female. she has a pretty good style sometimes, and seems like a rad human, but has the single smallest bag of tricks and ability of almost any pro regardless of gender. no offense, but when 1/3 of your clips are literally just drop-ins on banks and fs slashes in 2021...
final aside but in terms of style only, i really cannot fucking stand jeff dechesare. worst trick selection, arm steeze, and clothing choice of literally anyone in skateboarding currently. has he ever actually caught a flip trick before and not just landed anywhere but bolts on his board, milliseconds before it hit the ground? can he bs 50-50? has he ever done anything besides huck ugly shit down gaps? i seriously will never understand the hype behind him
Is there a hype behind him ? All he gets is hate :)
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It’s honestly insane how much better of a skater and dude Ethan Loy is than his brother. EL is extremely underrated and is overshadowed by David because he dick rides Nyjah so hard.
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final aside but in terms of style only, i really cannot fucking stand jeff dechesare. worst trick selection, arm steeze, and clothing choice of literally anyone in skateboarding currently. has he ever actually caught a flip trick before and not just landed anywhere but bolts on his board, milliseconds before it hit the ground? can he bs 50-50? has he ever done anything besides huck ugly shit down gaps? i seriously will never understand the hype behind him
Agreed. He’s like the fly out kid at the local park but with flip tricks with awful footing and landings. Even his push is blah.
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Have to second this. Met jason before he got more known.
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Idk about skating wise but I’d don’t really care for Berra.
I know he’s not a pro anymore but just can’t stand him
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- Felix Arguellas and Jason Rothmeyer (tie) - Felix had a really bad style and lack of exceptional skill. I remember that his butt would always be sticking out really far when landing tricks and we’d make fun of that while watching 411 or whatever shitty Planet Earth video post-Now ‘n’ Later. He was super underwhelming. Rothmeyer had a horrible style, no pop, and did the ugliest lines. He also came across as annoying from his Foundation days onward. If you were a fan, then you need to apologize to all of us. Most of the dudes on Santa Cruz and SMA (post Natas and Julien Stranger days) were very unimpressive and lacked charisma. Ron Whaley was like seven foot tall or some shit! They just didn’t make skating look very good and weren’t hanging with a lot of the other pros at the time.
Slaps precious Fred Gall was on New School ... tread lightly here brother
I'm late to the party on this, cos it's a shit idea for a thread, but WTF? Lumping JR in with Felix? Fuck right off. Jason's style was/is great.
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Luska, Dyett, Braydon
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Idk about skating wise but I’d don’t really care for Berra.
I know he’s not a pro anymore but just can’t stand him
Mate you’re going out on a limb posting that kinda shit around here. One of Slaps heroes.
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Luska, Dyett, Braydon
greg luska fucks
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Idk about skating wise but I’d don’t really care for Berra.
I know he’s not a pro anymore but just can’t stand him
Mate you’re going out on a limb posting that kinda shit around here. One of Slaps heroes.
Yeah I would be careful with that one. Berra has somewhat of cult following around here.
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Stev borra
Pauly fart
Joey burritos
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Mike V is a fair candidate. Other than his early Powell days he was doing old tricks that the rest of skateboarding had revolved beyond. Acting all punk rock ethical while bailing on everybody for more money and pretending to be in Black Flag cover the personality part.
Winkowski seems like a decent enough guy, but who cares about skating old boards. Same as that Dead Dave or whatever guy y’all were pumping on here a while back. All those old boards/tricks guys are boring.
All those 'old boards' dude are my favorite type of skaters. Maybe it's their surfy-style which i like i guess. Kickflips into some grind thingy on a ledge bores me to death. Also, Erick Winkowski and Christopher Hiett are effortlessly doing things on 9,5 inch and 10 inch decks that their peers hardly did back in the day, so its not like there is no progression in skating shaped decks. The only thing that bums me out is that the Powell team (so Hietts side of things) keeps shooting video's with lame-ass skate-tubers and Braille / Revive guys. As someone else here said, Jason Park is the only redeeming thing about that team :P
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Winkowski seems like a decent enough guy, but who cares about skating old boards. Same as that Dead Dave or whatever guy y’all were pumping on here a while back. All those old boards/tricks guys are boring.
lol this vid is corny but erick rips his 'old' shape. skating at 1:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4I36u7Tds
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- Felix Arguellas and Jason Rothmeyer (tie) - Felix had a really bad style and lack of exceptional skill. I remember that his butt would always be sticking out really far when landing tricks and we’d make fun of that while watching 411 or whatever shitty Planet Earth video post-Now ‘n’ Later. He was super underwhelming. Rothmeyer had a horrible style, no pop, and did the ugliest lines. He also came across as annoying from his Foundation days onward. If you were a fan, then you need to apologize to all of us. Most of the dudes on Santa Cruz and SMA (post Natas and Julien Stranger days) were very unimpressive and lacked charisma. Ron Whaley was like seven foot tall or some shit! They just didn’t make skating look very good and weren’t hanging with a lot of the other pros at the time.
Slaps precious Fred Gall was on New School ... tread lightly here brother
I'm late to the party on this, cos it's a shit idea for a thread, but WTF? Lumping JR in with Felix? Fuck right off. Jason's style was/is great.
I hate Felix as much as anyone else, dude had the worst style ever and is a huge kook, but he was a really good skater, I think he ended on Planet Earth mainly cuz he was really good at vert and street skating. His Cat's Cradle part is super cringe though, but the tricks he did on the knobbed rail in downtown San Diego were nuts. Rothmeyer is sick though[/list]
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haha d way, duffy and koston mentioned in the first page. wtf is wrong with you guys? these guys paved the way.
there are tons who brought nothing to the game
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Brophy
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The A. Stephens pick is a layup but really you could make the same argument for Clark Hassler. That doesnt sit well with me, which is making me rethink Stephens. I guess a mean flick goes a long way
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does southie count? fuck southie and his stupid little newsboy hat
also chris lambert has bad style but he fakie ollied carlsbad so it cancels out
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Have to second this. Met jason before he got more known.
i like his parts for happy medium
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Gator
Andy Roy
Jason Jessee
I back this alongside Paul Hart Joey Brezinski absolute worst.
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Tk, gator and Ben pappas. Doesn’t matter how good they were they are murderers.
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The A. Stephens pick is a layup but really you could make the same argument for Clark Hassler. That doesnt sit well with me, which is making me rethink Stephens. I guess a mean flick goes a long way
Austin Stephens sponsor me tape was actually pretty good for the times. He used to skate some pretty big rails but somewhere around Good and Evil he started playing the old man game well before he was actually an old man.
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Have to second this. Met jason before he got more known.
i like his parts for happy medium
remember nick fiorini
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anyone on revive (besides jason park) super nice dude
Have to second this. Met jason before he got more known.
i like his parts for happy medium
nick fiorini ripped. Almost pop shoved el toro
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Pat Ngoho invented the manual, and has been shredding for 40 years. Per welinder as a street skater would be a a better choice…
Pat Ngoho
Corey O Brien
Daniel Haney or any of those dudes from that era that could only grind rails
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Has no one thrown in Mikey Taylor into the ring?
Would always just do basic ass tricks on rails like feebles and crooks, also tanked all his street league competitions.
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Has no one thrown in Mikey Taylor into the ring?
Would always just do basic ass tricks on rails like feebles and crooks, also tanked all his street league competitions.
SkateMore Mikey definitely leaned hard into the feeble and crook variations but Minefield era Mikey mixed it up more and hit some heavy spots. Yeah a kook now and his SkateMore rant is funny but not this list (skating wise) material in my opinion.
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Pat Duffy- Dude just seems like a massive kook.
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Pat Ngoho invented the manual, and has been shredding for 40 years. Per welinder as a street skater would be a a better choice…
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Pat Ngoho
Corey O Brien
Daniel Haney or any of those dudes from that era that could only grind rails
Per did have a pretty decent transworld spread doing a backside 360 judo off a launch ramp over a car back on 1987. So, there’s that
how on gods green earth did you come to the conclusion that Corey o’ brien was a handrail skater?? He was an 80’s Santa Cruz pro that most likely never touched a handrail with his skateboard
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greg luska fucks
Luska Beatz
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Somehow just realized Vincent Alvarez has the crappiest trick selection ever. How did it take until Bunny Hop for me to realize this? How did he even make it to Bunny Hop?
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1- Josh Harmony
2- Josh Harmony's shadow
3- Gator
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Tk, gator and Ben pappas. Doesn’t matter how good they were they are murderers.
tk? im out of the loop
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Tk, gator and Ben pappas. Doesn’t matter how good they were they are murderers.
tk? im out of the loop
he killed fellow skater Josiah Kassahun earlier this year
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Tk, gator and Ben pappas. Doesn’t matter how good they were they are murderers.
tk? im out of the loop
Add in Josh Swindell and Jay Adams and we’ve got more murderers than can fit in the top three. Seems like a lot for a sport that’s like forty years old.
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If we're talking pure evil than that loser who loves to get his sick pleasure by ruining innocent woman's lives by giving them herpes.
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Bam - Skates about as good as every skatepark kid at their local in every town.
Jub - best trick is just rolling off of stuff
Matt Allen - Just about every trick he put out in a video part was one-upped by someone else in the same video.
This is my favorite answer. Matt Allen did that weird thing with his front hand where he made the "OK" sign. It was super kooky. Jub worked at the First Gear Boardshop in the IL suburbs and was a complete dick. Fuck that guy.
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Jason Jessee
Jay Adams
Pappas brothers
Gator
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Bam - Skates about as good as every skatepark kid at their local in every town.
Jub - best trick is just rolling off of stuff
Matt Allen - Just about every trick he put out in a video part was one-upped by someone else in the same video.
This is my favorite answer. Matt Allen did that weird thing with his front hand where he made the "OK" sign. It was super kooky. Jub worked at the First Gear Boardshop in the IL suburbs and was a complete dick. Fuck that guy.
yo talking shit about jub is cut. black out
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Leo Romero
Grant Taylor
Tony hawk
Yea isn’t that fucking ridiculous, that’s how some of you sound
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Was Daniel Castillo ever pro?
I’d say Justin Eldridge has been a pretty bad pro. He was an for Yeah Right and Hot Chocolate and he hasn’t done much for the nearly 20 years his name has been on a board.
he dropped his eSpecial part in the mid 2000's and had footy in plenty of their tour videos, etc. He also had enough footy to have a full part in Pretty Sweet but Ty Evans trimmed it down to him having barely any footage in the video. I'm still salty about that. To say 20 years of being inactive is bit of a stretch, maybe the last 8-9 years would be a better answer. He's also a part of the Crailtap retirement camp so they'll keep making him as well as their other inactive pros boards periodically. Anyways, his skating in the re-edit they did is pretty solid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iemj0YCY5E
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Was Daniel Castillo ever pro?
I’d say Justin Eldridge has been a pretty bad pro. He was an for Yeah Right and Hot Chocolate and he hasn’t done much for the nearly 20 years his name has been on a board.
he dropped his eSpecial part in the mid 2000's and had footy in plenty of their tour videos, etc. He also had enough footy to have a full part in Pretty Sweet but Ty Evans trimmed it down to him having barely any footage in the video. I'm still salty about that. To say 20 years of being inactive is bit of a stretch, maybe the last 8-9 years would be a better answer. He's also a part of the Crailtap retirement camp so they'll keep making him as well as their other inactive pros boards periodically. Anyways, his skating in the re-edit they did is pretty solid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iemj0YCY5E
Justin Eldridge had the best trick in Pretty Sweet, imo.
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Was Daniel Castillo ever pro?
I’d say Justin Eldridge has been a pretty bad pro. He was an for Yeah Right and Hot Chocolate and he hasn’t done much for the nearly 20 years his name has been on a board.
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Daniel castillo was pro at some point and I hate him, always did
Dude had a 20 year career doing the same manuals and no complys, never had a full part and had top sponsors, stupid
Justin Roy from Foundation was pretty bad compared to rest to the rail chompers of the era
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Beatrice Domond
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I think a lot of pals have conflated worst for least favorite.
Andrew cannon is up there for me. Felix is one and Dyrdek never really deserved pro status.
Whoever said Duffy should focus their account
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In speed freaks rob roskopp had a single of a fakie Ollie decker on a mini ramp . I’m always triggered by how revered his board graphics are , by how badly he sucked .
I always wondered how he was pro for bombing a footpath & skating a ditch to shit music, but people were pro for contests at the time, not videos. Never really heard of him at the time though, asides from his board series.
Apparently he started a bike company
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/rob-roskopp-on-skateboarding-the-syndicate-and-leaving-santa-cruz.html (https://www.pinkbike.com/news/rob-roskopp-on-skateboarding-the-syndicate-and-leaving-santa-cruz.html)
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I think a lot of pals have conflated worst for least favorite.
Andrew cannon is up there for me. Felix is one and Dyrdek never really deserved pro status.
Whoever said Duffy should focus their account
Dyrdek never deserved pro status? I’m not a huge fan or anything, but he was the first to nollie into a handrail, first to go switch down Carlsbad, had some really great backtail photos super early on. Had way more coverage than people think. Weird take for someone that seems to know some skate history.
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Dyrdek definitely deserved pro-status. He was a top tier pro back in the days, and kept ripping. First person to nollie nosegrind a rail.
Whoever said Jason Rothmeyer is a damn fool.
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Based only on talent compared to their peers:
Terry Kennedy
SALBA
Kasper
Patrick Melcher
Tom Green
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this one dude at my local who claims to have been pro
i never pushed him to explain but by the way he skates, it always seemed like he made himself pro
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Based only on talent compared to their peers:
Terry Kennedy
SALBA
Kasper
Patrick Melcher
Tom Green
i mean when you compare him to the rest of the black label and death teams when he was with them i'd say he was pretty okay
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Based only on talent compared to their peers:
Terry Kennedy
SALBA
Kasper
Patrick Melcher
Tom Green
Never forget he backside hurricaned Wilshire 15
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Lots of "pro" skaters who are being marketed for their identity (gender, race, sexual orientation), not their ability come to mind. So many pro skaters today are not good objectively at skateboarding.
but #1 is kevin white. he is so far behind his peers, I can't believe Adidas pays him actual money...
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nick trapasso, fuck that guy
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nick trapasso, fuck that guy
Is this devolving into “pros I have a grudge against”?