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Title: Hell
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 01, 2021, 06:47:34 PM
Do you think that capital-H Hell exists in one form or another?

Even if you donít; hypothetically, what do you think it would be like were it to exist?  Also, what do you think would be the absolute worst case scenario?

The classic fire and demonic anal torture for all eternity?

I think I read somewhere that some medieval christians saw it as a frozen wasteland.

What if itís just floating alone in a perfectly black, featureless and endless void for eternity? 

Maybe itís not that bad, just kinda lame.  Like having to flip through crinkled People magazines from 2008 in a dentistís waiting room.

Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Fhk hu on March 01, 2021, 06:55:03 PM
Do you think that capital-H Hell exists in one form or another?

Even if you donít; hypothetically, what do you think it would be like were it to exist?  Also, what do you think would be the absolute worst case scenario?

The classic fire and demonic anal torture for all eternity?

I think I read somewhere that some medieval christians saw it as a frozen wasteland.

What if itís just floating alone in a perfectly black, featureless and endless void for eternity? 

Maybe itís not that bad, just kinda lame.  Like having to flip through crinkled People magazines from 2008 in a dentistís waiting room.
Shit this is not promising for me. I wonder what I did wrong?  :-\
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: behavioralguide on March 01, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Its forgetting your bearing blew out the day before
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: iKobrakai on March 01, 2021, 11:54:26 PM
Hell is other people.
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Post by: cucktard on March 01, 2021, 11:59:40 PM
Wheelbite in the rain.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: TheLurper on March 02, 2021, 12:27:37 AM
I don't buy into the whole heaven/hell thing, but, I imagine there are plenty of people who are living through "hell" on earth right now.

I think my personal skateboard hell would be going on tour with Aaron Kyro, Mikey Taylor, Borra, the mudman, and Jagger Eaton.

I have a super religious family member who always tells me, "Well God will sort it out when they die. God is the ultimate judge." It is weird. The whole heaven/hell fairy tell is supposed to keep people in line, but it is often used as an excuse to let shitty people keep being shitty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONlH9ieqgc
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: EdLawndale on March 02, 2021, 01:14:58 AM
https://youtu.be/KaBrDKAZqDI
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Post by: Prince on March 02, 2021, 01:26:07 AM
as a young a boy i very much enjoyed the film Little Nicky. that was a fun hell.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: bust.factor on March 02, 2021, 03:37:37 AM
Go around the room and say 3 things about yourself
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Fhk hu on March 02, 2021, 03:55:58 AM
Go around the room and say 3 things about yourself
This guy knows the pain
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Complements4U on March 02, 2021, 04:05:24 AM
Make more stuff in house, food quality is terrible. Everybody remembers the style of donuts and bagels, so when you go to frozen stuff shipped to hell everyone notices. The food just tastes bad. Heaven actually cooks a real egg for your egg sandwich. It's not all about the coffee flavor. Also, need more depth in the products that they have now, rather than adding random stuff like shitty chicken sandwiches or French toast sandwiches. More depth in the staple sandwiches, better ingredients, little choices, more flavor. Most of hells problems honestly come down to the crappy ingredients that are objectively worse than before, the sandwich bread is bland everything is bland and never fully toasted. It's always soggy. Just use better ingredients and make certain items in house, make the donuts in house at least.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Frank on March 02, 2021, 04:11:41 AM
i don't think there is a place like this. people are living through their personal hells on earth for sure though. but i don't think that our soul gets judged after death and then eventually gets sent to this place that is handmade for torture.

one thing i thought about lately was what if those proverbial 21g that people say leave you when you die(your soul) is made up of dark matter and dying just means joining the dark matter part of the universe.

i guess the closest thing to hell in real life would be the cold endstate of the universe. it's total darkness and entropy and a state where nothing can happen anymore, even the flow of time will have basically stopped.

EDIT: another thing that i find hellish is the concept of gholas from the dune saga. they are copies of dead people and posess the memory of their former bodies death. that sounds extremely traumatizing. the dune saga has a lot of hellish concepts. the beings giving birth to the gholas and the tleilaxu in general are the atrophied remains of their females that have been biologically reengineered to be nothing more but passive breeding chambers. it's super fucked.

in the video game soma, (spoilers ahead) the protagonist remains the only person left on a ruined earth on the ground of the sea in a dilapidated undersea station with no way to escape or die. he can't kill himself because he inhabits a robot body which gets automatically healed up, and if he'd manage to wipe his mind the a.i. that remains on earth would just reupload him from a copy per protocol. he's forced to stay forever alone on the ground of the ocean until the sun eats the earth. i think that's pretty hellish.

Title: Re: Hell
Post by: exlurker on March 02, 2021, 05:59:14 AM
Fun fact - Hell doesn't really appear in the bible at all. They had to come back with that shit later to try and beef up the flock by scaring people
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: mushroom slice on March 02, 2021, 07:34:04 AM
Earth exists in the lowest level of heaven and the highest level of hell. They intersect in our reality. Make the most of your time here. You pick if it is heaven or hell. Choose wisely.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: iKobrakai on March 02, 2021, 08:10:10 AM
Wow... This has potential for one hell of a thread....
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: jgonzalez on March 02, 2021, 08:22:59 AM
Huis clos but there is an exit

Líinferne cíest les autres ouai shartre but we hinder ourselves

I think about how close some people are to the next realm

Borders arenít real money is fake we are one

Hawk and crow exist on the beach together but not

Some people I know, I know theyíre gonna have to reincarnate a couple of times. Obsessed with the material. Immediate goals. Pursuit of pleasures. Not at peace.

I think I have a couple of lifetimes to go still.

Dude I do think that skateboarding has me focused on the material world and is bogging me down. My concern with and consumption of an image, buying and accruing material goods and judging others for their choices of consumer goods is superficial and is anchoring me to this realm.  Is this, hellride?
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 02, 2021, 08:24:34 AM
Hell is other people.
(https://i.ibb.co/ZX7npDv/DA7949-C1-E3-EF-49-D3-9-C52-4-FC5-DA21029-A.png) (https://ibb.co/ZX7npDv)
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on March 02, 2021, 08:34:55 AM
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Hell is other people.
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that look he gives you when you look like a crab to him
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: lilboosie on March 02, 2021, 09:04:53 AM
hell ghost ride the whip
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 02, 2021, 09:46:12 AM
Do you think that capital-H Hell exists in one form or another?

Even if you donít; hypothetically, what do you think it would be like were it to exist?  Also, what do you think would be the absolute worst case scenario?

The classic fire and demonic anal torture for all eternity?

I think I read somewhere that some medieval christians saw it as a frozen wasteland.

What if itís just floating alone in a perfectly black, featureless and endless void for eternity? 

Maybe itís not that bad, just kinda lame.  Like having to flip through crinkled People magazines from 2008 in a dentistís waiting room.

i just taught Dante's Inferno last semester, so this shit is pretty fresh in my head--this is how he portrays the bottom circle of hell where satan actually lurks

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/DVinfernoLuciferKingOfHell_m.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/78/f4/e978f4c5fbab2f77ee7e7997885359ad.jpg)
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 02, 2021, 09:52:38 AM
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Hell is other people.
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(https://i.ibb.co/ZX7npDv/DA7949-C1-E3-EF-49-D3-9-C52-4-FC5-DA21029-A.png) (https://ibb.co/ZX7npDv)
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that look he gives you when you look like a crab to him

One eye on deconstructing morality and one eye on the streets.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 02, 2021, 09:54:13 AM
i just taught Dante's Inferno last semester, so this shit is pretty fresh in my head--this is how he portrays the bottom circle of hell where satan actually lurks

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/DVinfernoLuciferKingOfHell_m.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/78/f4/e978f4c5fbab2f77ee7e7997885359ad.jpg)

^That shitís pretty fucking cool.

Itís weird though that Penn and Teller (magicians) apparently are going to a way deeper part of hell than Osama bin Laden (mass murderer).... if Iím reading that right.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: straight on March 02, 2021, 10:13:04 AM
at this time in my life, what scares me most is that when you die, itís over .. times up .. thinking about life moving on without me gives me panic anxiety and i donít like going their in my mind

i envy people that are religious and believe in an afterlife but i also think those people are borderline stupid with naivety

id like to believe in reincarnation through decomposition but even that is far fetched
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 02, 2021, 10:28:45 AM
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i just taught Dante's Inferno last semester, so this shit is pretty fresh in my head--this is how he portrays the bottom circle of hell where satan actually lurks

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/DVinfernoLuciferKingOfHell_m.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/78/f4/e978f4c5fbab2f77ee7e7997885359ad.jpg)
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^That shitís pretty fucking cool.

Itís weird though that Penn and Teller (magicians) apparently are going to a way deeper part of hell than Osama bin Laden (mass murderer).... if Iím reading that right.

you know, it is crazy as hell (edit: hah, no pun intended) how complex Dante's circles are, as well as how (and why) he prioritizes the sins...has a lot to do with Florentine politics of his time--for instance, it was pretty fucking radical of him to populate parts of hell with popes and politicians.

there are better renderings of this map actually but i do recommend reading Inferno and it is free here at Project Gutenberg:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1001/1001-h/1001-h.htm

my personal favorite is Circle One and "The Virtuous Pagans and the Unbaptized," where Homer and all of the poets and philosophers are stuck...Virgil is actually Dante's guide through hell and purgatory, but can't get into Paradiso because he's not baptized...i love how when Dante and Virgil first arrive at this first circle after passing through the "Gate of Hell" (y'all know it's inscription, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here"), the first thing they hear from all of the scholars, artists, poets, and philosophers are a bunch of "sighs":

"...There, as it seemed to me from listening,
  Were lamentations none, but only sighs,
  That tremble made the everlasting air.

And this arose from sorrow without torment,
  Which the crowds had, that many were and great,
  Of infants and of women and of men..."
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: mushroom slice on March 02, 2021, 10:47:16 AM
at this time in my life, what scares me most is that when you die, itís over .. times up .. thinking about life moving on without me gives me panic anxiety and i donít like going their in my mind

i envy people that are religious and believe in an afterlife but i also think those people are borderline stupid with naivety

id like to believe in reincarnation through decomposition but even that is far fetched
I used to worry about what happens when I die. It would keep me up at night. I eventually came to the conclusion that I was already dead. I think I died about 15 years ago in a car accident.  This last 15 years has all been in my head. some how in the last little bits of brain activity I have stretched time. I think I can make it last forever.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: straight on March 02, 2021, 11:52:23 AM
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at this time in my life, what scares me most is that when you die, itís over .. times up .. thinking about life moving on without me gives me panic anxiety and i donít like going their in my mind

i envy people that are religious and believe in an afterlife but i also think those people are borderline stupid with naivety

id like to believe in reincarnation through decomposition but even that is far fetched
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I used to worry about what happens when I die. It would keep me up at night. I eventually came to the conclusion that I was already dead. I think I died about 15 years ago in a car accident.  This last 15 years has all been in my head. some how in the last little bits of brain activity I have stretched time. I think I can make it last forever.

so what happens when you die in this timeline
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: mushroom slice on March 02, 2021, 12:20:23 PM
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at this time in my life, what scares me most is that when you die, itís over .. times up .. thinking about life moving on without me gives me panic anxiety and i donít like going their in my mind

i envy people that are religious and believe in an afterlife but i also think those people are borderline stupid with naivety

id like to believe in reincarnation through decomposition but even that is far fetched
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I used to worry about what happens when I die. It would keep me up at night. I eventually came to the conclusion that I was already dead. I think I died about 15 years ago in a car accident.  This last 15 years has all been in my head. some how in the last little bits of brain activity I have stretched time. I think I can make it last forever.
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so what happens when you die in this timeline

that is where it gets confusing. Time only exists inside us. We donít exist in time. There is no line. Just think of where you go every night when you dream. Itís just like that when you die. Nothing to be worried about.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: pugmaster on March 02, 2021, 12:25:56 PM
If the only things we have to do is die and pay taxes, then that means when we die we are absolved from any responsibilities.

And so, when we die we can gallivant about like unsupervised 6 year olds.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: ok boomer on March 02, 2021, 01:25:05 PM
I'm extremely interested in religions/ mythology/ heaven / hell / life / death. Most of my tattoos are based on these topics, including art from "Paradise Lost". I was not raised religious at all, my dad was a biker and was just like "it is what it is, time is short" etc. BUT, as a little kid, I'd watch those movies like "Jason & the Argonauts", "7th Voyage of Sinbad", and then the original "Clash of the Titans". I think I was 5 when that came out, but I thought the stories were awesome. Fast forward a few years, me and a friend were playing with Clash of the Titans toys, when he asks me if I know about Odin. I didn't have a clue, and he pulled out this book: "D'Aulaires' Book of Norse Myths" (will tell more about that in a minute). Anyway, the stories about Odin, Thor, and especially Loki blew my mind, plus the art was awesome. Shit is etched in my mind. This was all like 1983.

So in 2002 my dad died in a shitty way, and I tried to wrap my head around all of this life/ death stuff and more or less "acceptance". I would talk to him in my mind, in hopes of hearing him talk back to me, which never happened. He is in my dreams randomly, sometimes its like 1989, sometimes in current times. But its always something like fixing a refrigerator together or shit like that. Still pretty unsure of my ideas on all of this. I was still partying pretty hard for about another decade and my thoughts had always been "this is it, you live then you die and its over". I spent my 5 years in New Zealand reading about a lot of different religions, mythology and Jesus documentaries, "mysteries of the Bible" etc. etc. Watched Zeitgeist a bunch of times. I find this stuff fascinating, especially older cultures. The worshipping of the sun. Logical vs Faith explanations. I feel like a lot of these stories were created to sort of create a "common sense" on rights and wrongs, initially, but then over time, as religion gained power, a lot of it became corrupted (like most things).

I have tattoos of Icarus with Daedalus, Death riding down to take a lost soul, and the soul trying to fend him off, Loki (not the Marvel version), Lucifer being cast from Heaven, the battle for Heaven, and also Satan on a throne holding a crown of human bones. Long story short: The battle of rights vs wrongs, consequences for ones actions and the fear of death. I also have Vita (life) and Mors (Death) tattooed on my fingers (I never say ''knuckles" for that, seems wrong). It took me a long time to "accept" (for lack of a better word) that I fear death, and I fear it because of the unknown, will I see my dad again, can I watch over my son, will my son be okay, will I just not know its over, will I be stuck in dreamland (not Bob Burnquist's) , etc. And I realized that people that DO believe in this stuff, do not fear it like I do, because they believe they will be somewhere. And I do not. And I also find the idea that "this is it" to be almost.. uh, disappointing I guess.

I have had a lot of coincidences over the years that stick with me. For examples: I had a dream about my grandpa where I basically replayed every memory I have of him throughout the whole dream, and when I woke up, my mom was waiting there to tell me he had passed away. The day I found out I was going to be a dad - New Year's Day 2014: I was extremely hung over, and me and my wife went for a walk and the topic was basically "Life seeming pretty pointless, just what movie to watch, whats for dinner, are we going to the thing, seems like there should be more. Feel very hollow". An hour later, she starts bleeding profusely and we go to the hospital. Turns out she is pregnant and on the verge of losing our son. They put her on bed rest and for some reason, I just know that he will be fine (he turns 7 this year). So I got my something more. Not as serious, but I mentioned it earlier. So the book that the kid showed me when were 7. As I got older, I wanted to find that book because I could not remember the name. Randomly looked for years. Had not seen that guy since graduation. When my son was 7 months old, I went to the post office with my mom for some reason. We ran into the guys mom, had not seen her since 1994 (This was 2014). She told me what he was up to, and so forth. I even mentioned to her about the book he showed me back then and how awesome I thought it was, and showed her my Loki tattoo. The next day, we took my son to Barnes & Noble, and the book was in a stack on a table. Was psyched.

So my 40th birthday didn't bother me, got some H-Street reissue shit and felt good. 41 just hits different. Around my son's 3rd birthday, I woke up and out of nowhere just thought "Whoa, I'm going to die some day". I don't think I'd ever really thought about it ..like seriously. Then other thoughts: "I wonder if this is the last time I'll watch this movie. whoa, why did I just think that?". Just a lot of realizations that it is impending and I hope I'm ready to go when it happens. Mostly hope that I know my son will be okay and that I hope I see him grown up and that he can handle himself alright. I'm not an atheist, I'd say I'm more agnostic (front, oi oi oi). If I can be proven wrong, I'm open to it, but logically, its hard for me to accept these things.

Sorry I wrote so much, Rodney Mullen'ed this topic all the way to just say "I don't really believe in Heaven or Hell, but it would make the end a lot more interesting."

Quit sinnin', escape Hell
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 02, 2021, 01:41:15 PM
Quit sinnin', escape Hell

I read through your whole (very interesting) post, wondering when you would drop this. 
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: ok boomer on March 02, 2021, 01:51:51 PM
I looked up at the title of the topic again and thought of Lennie Kirk
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 02, 2021, 02:05:37 PM
i have appreciated people's posts in here thus far--including your honest and thoughtful post Boomer (all of which i too read) but also Straight's above and the whole question of what happens after death.

i've never been able to believe in something like heaven and hell--it just seems absurd for humans to try to use our limited and myopic experiences here on earth to try to conceptualize and/or visualize something that would have to be so beyond our comprehension and experience...and intuition just seems to reinforce this belief for me as i get older. i'm not saying we don't sense or feel what happens to those we love after, i just can't buy that we could picture it or understand it.

as i mentioned a month or two ago, we lost my mother to COVID this past October--she was 77 and i will be 50 in April. i've lost a lot of people over the years, friends and family (both of my parents and an awesome stepfather are gone, and so are all of my grandparents), and none of those deaths have hit me like my mother's did this last October. i too have experienced similar things to what Boomer calls "coincidences" (for lack of a better term) over the years that have made me feel that these people are with me in very real ways...

...but NOTHING up to this point has told me that "this can not be it" more than my mother's death. in a very intuitive and/or instinctual (spiritual?) way, as i continue to handle all of the things there are to handle after losing a parent at this later stage in life, and going through all of the things that tie me and my sister and my aunt to her, and going through photos, and all of the other material manifestations of how much we shared, experienced, and went through together, i have never felt so really and essentially that my near 50 years with her could possibly "be it." i hope that makes sense.

all of that being said, i wouldn't even begin to think that i could visualize or understand how all of this works beyond the world we share...and who knows, maybe this is some weird blurred stage of grief i'm experiencing...but instinctually, that just does not seem to explain how i've felt the past few months.

sorry if this strays pretty far from the talk of "hell." some thought-provoking posts in this thread...
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: augustmoon on March 02, 2021, 05:47:22 PM
i think if a hell exists, we're in it now.  just think about the nature of life...animals exist just to be torn apart and eaten by other animals.  we spend our whole lives contemplating our inevitable death.  if we're lucky to love others, we might live long enough to watch them wither and die, or they watch us die and have to deal with the loss.  sure there are moments of beauty and happiness, but they're fleeting and never last. 

i don't mean to come off as overly cynical.  ultimately I think the universe is chaos and we are an accident, but if there is a god that sees fit to sentence you to eternal pain and torment for the simple crime of not believing in him, then i think that god is fundamentally evil. 
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 02, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
I stumbled on this video and thought it was pretty thought provoking.  Iím not religious, but itís interesting to see what a serious, thoughtful Catholic has to say about this stuff, regardless if I personally agree with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8zhnooySk4&feature=share

If you can get over the fact that heís got that priest collar on, I think heís got a fascinating take.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 03, 2021, 07:18:24 AM
I stumbled on this video and thought it was pretty thought provoking.  Iím not religious, but itís interesting to see what a serious, thoughtful Catholic has to say about this stuff, regardless if I personally agree with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8zhnooySk4&feature=share

If you can get over the fact that heís got that priest collar on, I think heís got a fascinating take.

a good listen, and kind of surprising with regards to his point about freedom. admittedly, it's been a long time since i was near a bible or any wholehearted catholics, but for some reason that point about humans being free--or in other words, human's having autonomy and agency despite god's omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience--actually brought to mind a deist perspective which views things like this:

"belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries [the European Enlightenment] that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind."

since this is a younger theologian, who is not only willing to listen to someone like George Carlin but even willing to entertain and consider his material, i wonder if this isn't an example of a newer, more accommodating (out of necessity for survival) catholicism?

either way, thanks for sharing this...definitely more relatable than i would have assumed...

Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 03, 2021, 03:17:04 PM
I'm not going to get into my religious/spiritual beliefs here, but suffice it to say that a god who imposes eternal conscious torment on individuals for something that happened during their finite existence is unquestionably omnimalevolent and absolutely does not warrant reverence. It is also quite obvious that most believers in a hell of eternal conscious torment believe in it because it pleases them to imagine the people they deem worthy of such a fate having to endure it.  It would never occur to them that they might be among the tormented, ironically a demonstration of invincible pride, which itself warrants hell according to those same people. 
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 03, 2021, 06:54:52 PM
a god who imposes eternal conscious torment on individuals for something that happened during their finite existence is unquestionably omnimalevolent and absolutely does not warrant reverence.

Hope thatís not the case.  Sounds like one mother fucker you donít want to piss off.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: pugmaster on March 03, 2021, 09:08:34 PM
@Monkey_Mcpott

H E Double hockey sticks is very heckride. Feel free to use.


Also, I noticed you have good art from doublesteveburger.  I was thinking of a logo that would work and either a hand or little kid flipping someone off with their ring finger would be super heckride.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on March 03, 2021, 10:34:23 PM
@Monkey_Mcpott

H E Double hockey sticks is very heckride. Feel free to use.


Also, I noticed you have good art from doublesteveburger.  I was thinking of a logo that would work and either a hand or little kid flipping someone off with their ring finger would be super heckride.

Wow! Haha

Those would make some great stickers
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: pugmaster on March 03, 2021, 11:05:14 PM
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@Monkey_Mcpott

H E Double hockey sticks is very heckride. Feel free to use.


Also, I noticed you have good art from doublesteveburger.  I was thinking of a logo that would work and either a hand or little kid flipping someone off with their ring finger would be super heckride.
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Wow! Haha

Those would make some great stickers


(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_iU5Xbe5__jI/TW3YSWzeznI/AAAAAAABA_g/foPxnfwEDE0/s640/IMG_20110301_151050.jpg)

hehehe
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Lou Strux on March 04, 2021, 08:13:51 AM
This thread has turned out to be a very pleasant side track from the usual ďWhoís of which sponsorĒ discussion Iím accustomed to, and while I donít have anything to contribute at the moment, I am grateful that yíall were here with me last night as I drifted off to sleep, and again when I arose to start my new day in my own, fun, little Hell.
Thank you, PALS, for keeping my mental gears turning.
Shalom.
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 04, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
since i brought Dante into this, i figured i'd share a resource that i draw from when teaching Inferno. Digital Dante is this incredible collection of material amassed and curated by Columbia University--here's a link to the homepage:

https://digitaldante.columbia.edu/

i feel like any conversation about what Hell (capital H) might look and/or feel like would have to at least gesture towards Dante and his  Inferno, because i'm not sure anyone else has gone to so much trouble to envision it (funny enough, the movie Constantine also comes to mind here).

anyway, when i teach it, i always bring in Sandow Birk's illustrations of The Divine Comedy, because he reads it through a 21st century urban lens--for instance:

(https://digitaldante.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Birk-LA-Inferno.jpg)

even my students who aren't especially feeling the actual poem, usually get drawn into Birk's illustrations using modern American consumerism and urbanism to depict Dante's circles of hell, especially all of the black-and-white ones dealing with specific circles of hell, which can be found here:

https://digitaldante.columbia.edu/image/birk-illustrations/inferno/

each of Birk's images here, are juxtaposed with Gustave Dore's famous illustrations too, which provides a really interesting contrast...

Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on March 04, 2021, 10:07:18 AM
Thanks for the Inferno info and links Deputy, I'm gonna try and find myself a french edition with the Dorť illustrations
Been meaning to read it for a while but I was a bit put off by the idea that it's a poem
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 04, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
Thanks for the Inferno info and links Deputy, I'm gonna try and find myself a french edition with the Dorť illustrations
Been meaning to read it for a while but I was a bit put off by the idea that it's a poem

cheers Jean...and it's funny once you start reading it and realize how kind of provincial Dante's vision of Hell is, because he really does populate it with a lot of random historical figures from Florence and Italy who he had beefs with--he wrote The Divine Comedy while he was in exile in fact, so it gets pretty petty at points.

as much as i enjoy teaching it, i never feel i do it justice, at least partly because of how much it is tied to Florentine and Italian politics and religion of his time...his meticulous detail when it comes to the punishments for individual sins (how the punishments perpetuate/mirror the sin eternally) and the way he prioritizes the sins is what i usually aim at--and of course, trying to bring our own times and places into conversation with all of this...
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: El Fapinator on March 04, 2021, 04:31:01 PM
Hell is pea gravel and soggy broken tail board with bent truck's and mismatched wheels.

Title: Re: Hell
Post by: SneakySecrets on March 04, 2021, 05:12:13 PM
This thread has turned out to be a very pleasant side track from the usual ďWhoís of which sponsorĒ discussion Iím accustomed to, and while I donít have anything to contribute at the moment, I am grateful that yíall were here with me last night as I drifted off to sleep, and again when I arose to start my new day in my own, fun, little Hell.
Thank you, PALS, for keeping my mental gears turning.
Shalom.

Yeah, wouldnít have expected someone on here to be a scholar of Danteís Inferno.  Especially impressive that he can juggle it with his career in law enforcement.

Stay tuned for more deep intellectual stimulation with my next thread: ďWhich Bratz Doll Would You Most Want to Bang?Ē
Title: Re: Hell
Post by: Deputy Wendell on March 04, 2021, 05:30:49 PM
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This thread has turned out to be a very pleasant side track from the usual ďWhoís of which sponsorĒ discussion Iím accustomed to, and while I donít have anything to contribute at the moment, I am grateful that yíall were here with me last night as I drifted off to sleep, and again when I arose to start my new day in my own, fun, little Hell.
Thank you, PALS, for keeping my mental gears turning.
Shalom.
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Yeah, wouldnít have expected someone on here to be a scholar of Danteís Inferno.  Especially impressive that he can juggle it with his career in law enforcement.

Stay tuned for more deep intellectual stimulation with my next thread: ďWhich Bratz Doll Would You Most Want to Bang?Ē

don't think for a minute it is easy, and the two endeavors often overlap with all of the "hell on earth" kinds of things a deputy has to deal with in these especially trying times--luckily i have Sheriff Ed Tom's help with the especially disheartening stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ChuzigwVig

...although he and his generation of lawmen seem to be increasingly overwhelmed themselves these days ("how do you defend against it?")...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk6LBQMPBWs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsao0tzmqU