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Title: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: everythingisgreat on April 06, 2021, 07:55:31 PM
The music, filming and editing are all time (Kevin Barnett)...

Fast and Hard hitting. Euro Angles.

Tempster’s opening part might take it for me.

Thoughts?

Ed Templeton
Josh Harmony
Austin Stephens
Matt Bennett
Johnny Layton
Billy Marks
Diego

Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: TurdyBird on April 06, 2021, 08:17:19 PM
JLay. Watched that part a lot.

Diego's was sick too
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Post by: matty_c on April 06, 2021, 08:21:02 PM
Free money
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on April 06, 2021, 08:40:36 PM
rewatch and discuss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tuOO_y3ywk
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: ilikebigbutts on April 06, 2021, 09:58:08 PM
The whole thing is a masterpiece. Marks comes close but jlay without a doubt. That part is legendary.
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Post by: Welpok on April 06, 2021, 10:03:29 PM
Free money
JLay. Watched that part a lot.

Diego's was sick too
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Post by: scorpion1001 on April 06, 2021, 10:52:12 PM
banger soundtrack too
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: j....soy..... on April 06, 2021, 10:52:34 PM
Billy...and that is why we can never talk about this video again..........
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: matty_c on April 06, 2021, 10:55:07 PM
Oh shit I totally forgot about billy marks part

How’s those fallens though it looks like he’s got fucking footballs strapped to his feet

That’s such a good part though
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Post by: KUberry on April 06, 2021, 11:29:50 PM
Oh shit I totally forgot about billy marks part

How’s those fallens though it looks like he’s got fucking footballs strapped to his feet

That’s such a good part though

Def some rail NBD’s from Bill
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: shitsandwich on April 06, 2021, 11:51:25 PM
Kevin Barnett is the sickest. I wish he was still making videos.
I'd probably go with Johnny Layton's part
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Post by: rocklobster on April 07, 2021, 12:57:02 AM
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Oh shit I totally forgot about billy marks part

How’s those fallens though it looks like he’s got fucking footballs strapped to his feet

That’s such a good part though
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Def some rail NBD’s from Bill

And JLay, really enjoyed watching his career progress from AM to pro in the magazines and video.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: skatingisntspecialstupid on April 07, 2021, 01:57:13 AM
I used to like Austin stephens part. Now I think good lord those puffy shoes looked bad with some of those outfits.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: shouldn't on April 07, 2021, 02:33:42 AM
i was just thinking about how much i loved this video, i was a toy machine fanatic as a kid. such a great soundtrack/edit, i used to get lost in the bonus features all day. dick selfie definitely has my vote favorite part, that was my intro to patti smith too. billy had my favorite part as a kid. growing up skating in corona he would always be around, matt b too. buying my favorite boards for cheap straight from those guys and seeing them learn new tricks at the park that you’d later see done in a video on a street spot as an ‘nbd’. i wish toy still had that feel to it but none of my older favorite companies really do at this point.
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Post by: Mickey Knox on April 07, 2021, 04:37:31 AM
I remember a few of the old heads on here saying this video didn’t age well. The whole video rules along with all the tour footage in the bonus features.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Swithflip on April 07, 2021, 04:58:53 AM
Jay Lay all day.
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Post by: Allen. on April 07, 2021, 05:23:27 AM
Kevin Barnett is the sickest. I wish he was still making videos.
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Post by: nickpaolucci on April 07, 2021, 05:28:39 AM
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Oh shit I totally forgot about billy marks part

How’s those fallens though it looks like he’s got fucking footballs strapped to his feet

That’s such a good part though
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Def some rail NBD’s from Bill
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And JLay, really enjoyed watching his career progress from AM to pro in the magazines and video. dickpick
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on April 07, 2021, 07:08:17 AM
My favorite is J-Lay followed by Billy Marks. I think objectively Billy takes it just for the sheer amount of gnarly footage but J-Lay has always been my favorite from that era.
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Post by: Chatbot on April 07, 2021, 08:10:58 AM
Blue jeans
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Post by: matty_c on April 07, 2021, 08:13:09 AM
I remember a few of the old heads on here saying this video didn’t age well. The whole video rules along with all the tour footage in the bonus features.

I probably said it aged horribly in another thread but really just talking about those fucking shoes ahaha
I just re watched that Matt Bennett part it’s alright
He looks stoned out of his mind on some of those tricks
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: mattchew on April 07, 2021, 08:13:40 AM
Been about ten years since I’ve watched this but Billy Marks part is really gnarly. Doesn’t he do switch biggie heel board slide down a handrail? Mayhem.
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Post by: Sluggloaph on April 07, 2021, 08:56:31 AM
Diego for me but I loved jlays part, templetons cold open part was doap. This used to be my favorite video.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Lethargic on April 07, 2021, 09:29:39 AM
Kevin Barnett is the sickest.
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Post by: ziggy on April 07, 2021, 10:18:17 AM
layton easily
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Frank on April 07, 2021, 10:40:47 AM
Free money

EDIT
also on another note, it's funny how billy marks looks like some bizzaro post 00s mall emo ethan fowler
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Turtle Boy on April 07, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
Diego's part is on some Rowley shit. In a parallel universe Diego is on Flip and Rowley on Toy Machine.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: JamesFardy on April 07, 2021, 03:08:15 PM
I like Ed’s part the most at this stage in my life but growing up tie between marks and jlay.
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Post by: gsosa on April 07, 2021, 03:16:23 PM
Diego with JLay coming in a close second
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Post by: kneebone on April 07, 2021, 03:39:45 PM
JLay and Ed for me.  JLay's was def the most enjoyable, but Ed's was great too because of the cold open and it was kind of a surprise ripper part since he was already past his prime (sorry Ed, love you)
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Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 07, 2021, 03:49:02 PM
JLay and Ed for me.  JLay's was def the most enjoyable, but Ed's was great too because of the cold open and it was kind of a surprise ripper part since he was already past his prime (sorry Ed, love you)

Ed's gut poking through his shirt while he nosebluntslides and back tails every object in sight was sort of a great send off to his years of filming full parts.  So I guess it's Ed and Diego for me.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: HORSES on April 07, 2021, 04:00:38 PM
I watched this during lock down, and even though I grew up more heavily on Suffer The Joy and really liked that video at the time. This is a much better video. Suffer The Joy has aged terribly.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: showbobs on April 07, 2021, 05:00:56 PM
For that time, Billy Marks with a very close JLay second.


Man they don't make em like they used too.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: coldbrew on April 07, 2021, 05:18:01 PM
Been about ten years since I’ve watched this but Billy Marks part is really gnarly. Doesn’t he do switch biggie heel board slide down a handrail? Mayhem.

Did it down wilshire I think??
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Allez_Jambon on April 07, 2021, 06:20:14 PM
Just watched a good chunk of this while writing slowly.

Music supervision and art direction were top notch, especially fitting for the era. Videos and brands from this time will always have a soft spot within me, but I think it works because of its context. I wouldn't have the same expectations from Toy Machine or Zero at current day. Not a dis, but not what my interest is focused on now. I think this is why some legacy brands struggle (also with the changing of the guard which established the brand) and why revamps don't work.

I guess Habitat worked out and I'm hoping Satori will do it right, but there are obvious fails like Blueprint and even successful ones like Plan B and Creature even smell funny. I wasn't there in their heyday but I can see where they at now. Get there while you can. I absolutely loved Ipath but don't need or want to see it come back. I think Quasi is a perfect answer to Alien Workshop.

I loved this era but am more fitting with IDK Polar and Sour as a 30-something. I still love Emerica.

Other notes:
- The flashes/strobes from the sequence photography in the video looked weird.
- Why do I still think of Matt Bennett as the new guy? I also thought he was in the fallen video but no?
- Yeah, J Lay's part was the best.
- I wish videos still had a post-credits montage scored to Belle and Sebastian and I still lived at home and had all my pets with me.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Jim and Dan on April 07, 2021, 06:41:23 PM
Johnny hands down, the beginning section with the piano intro makes it in my eyes. I remember having the impression that, "Holy shit, that kid that rode for Role Model got really fucking good!"

Honorable mention: Billy Marks.

It's hard to understand for today's youth, but Billy had been having tons of mind blowing coverage in like the year preceding the video & this was like his "coming out party". In those days too, you didn't see everything somebody could possibly do on a skateboard at a skate park via social media, so to see the shit he had under wraps was just fucked up.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: shitsandwich on April 07, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Ed wanted to make a "video of the year" type video. Does anyone remember this or if they were actually able to pull it off?
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: rocklobster on April 07, 2021, 07:53:14 PM
I watched this during lock down, and even though I grew up more heavily on Suffer The Joy and really liked that video at the time. This is a much better video. Suffer The Joy has aged terribly.

Please elaborate on your answer. Not rewatched the rest of STJ aside from JLay and Trapasso's part.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: HORSES on April 07, 2021, 08:58:17 PM
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I watched this during lock down, and even though I grew up more heavily on Suffer The Joy and really liked that video at the time. This is a much better video. Suffer The Joy has aged terribly.
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Please elaborate on your answer. Not rewatched the rest of STJ aside from JLay and Trapasso's part.


I just think they took the piss with that one. 8 guys on the team, with only 2 of them of having parts longer than 3 mins, with 1/3 of the video being credits/outro. Skating just felt cheap in the video too bar Nick Trapasso and JLay's part. It honestly felt like a video of footage that wasn't used for the KOTR DVD.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on April 07, 2021, 09:02:15 PM
I liked Josh Harmony's part.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: doublesteveburger on April 07, 2021, 09:04:13 PM
http://youtu.be/zDHY204_VxY
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Allez_Jambon on April 07, 2021, 10:56:09 PM
I took a shower, ate some food, then came back to the computer still playing skate videos. Good and Evil ended and That's Life was halfway through when I sat back down. Perfect timing. I think I found the best worst push.

https://youtu.be/KJONeJdKbiQ?t=2537 (https://youtu.be/KJONeJdKbiQ?t=2537)
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Post by: SharkJohnson on April 07, 2021, 11:18:40 PM
nick trapasso
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Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on April 08, 2021, 04:17:22 AM
Johnny Layton forsure. While id say Billys part was at a much higher level skill wise, Jlays casual destruction throwing nollie bs flips in lines to rails just looks so fucking good.

Billy bigshoes looking goofy
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Icandoflamingoes on April 08, 2021, 07:21:42 AM
J LAY ALL DAY, then billy

Just after this came out when I was a youngster at a demo in Australia mr Layton gave me his wheels when he saw my set up, and to add to someone’s Matt Bennett’s stoner props, both he and billy looked comatose before the demo then absolutely destroyed everything in sight. Seeing how stoned they were before made it all the more impressive.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Icandoflamingoes on April 08, 2021, 07:23:17 AM
Also I remember being like “how did you do sw big heel board?” To which billy marks simply shrugged and said “eh I got lucky”.
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Post by: mattchew on April 08, 2021, 07:34:04 AM
Waittttt, wait, wait.

Is this the vid where Nick Trapasso skates to sleepwalking in his pajama pants?

If so, I retract my previous post and would like to now dethrone Billy Marks cause Nick was on some shit in that part.

If not, carry on.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Icandoflamingoes on April 08, 2021, 08:00:41 AM
Did good and evil give the world th Bennett grind? Was there earlier ones?
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Post by: exlurker on April 08, 2021, 08:07:30 AM
Trapasso's Sleepwalk part is in Suffer the Joy, and yes it is better than all the G&E parts, hasn't aged a day

G&E was a weird time in skate fashion. Billy Marks hasn't changed, just the times
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Post by: sultsult on April 08, 2021, 08:18:33 AM
Butcher and Bennett. Bennett looks weird as hell but looks the best on the rails. Layton still has am style in this part, he didn't appeal to me until he got a bit fat. Also, someone should've told Josh Harmony to lose the boxers, really distracting.

Overall this is a weird era of skating, right about the time I mostly quit to do drugs and play guitar.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on April 08, 2021, 10:34:19 AM
Just watched a good chunk of this while writing slowly.

Music supervision and art direction were top notch, especially fitting for the era. Videos and brands from this time will always have a soft spot within me, but I think it works because of its context. I wouldn't have the same expectations from Toy Machine or Zero at current day. Not a dis, but not what my interest is focused on now. I think this is why some legacy brands struggle (also with the changing of the guard which established the brand) and why revamps don't work.

I guess Habitat worked out and I'm hoping Satori will do it right, but there are obvious fails like Blueprint and even successful ones like Plan B and Creature even smell funny. I wasn't there in their heyday but I can see where they at now. Get there while you can. I absolutely loved Ipath but don't need or want to see it come back. I think Quasi is a perfect answer to Alien Workshop.

I loved this era but am more fitting with IDK Polar and Sour as a 30-something. I still love Emerica.

Other notes:
- The flashes/strobes from the sequence photography in the video looked weird.
- Why do I still think of Matt Bennett as the new guy? I also thought he was in the fallen video but no?
- Yeah, J Lay's part was the best.
- I wish videos still had a post-credits montage scored to Belle and Sebastian and I still lived at home and had all my pets with me.

I think he is but he doesn't have a part, just a few clips if I remember correctly in Harmony's part
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Nosferatu on April 08, 2021, 02:35:35 PM
Roberto Aleman had best part
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: pica on April 08, 2021, 02:43:05 PM
Jlay, runner up sing sang sung.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: TheFandangler on April 08, 2021, 04:09:24 PM
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Just watched a good chunk of this while writing slowly.

Music supervision and art direction were top notch, especially fitting for the era. Videos and brands from this time will always have a soft spot within me, but I think it works because of its context. I wouldn't have the same expectations from Toy Machine or Zero at current day. Not a dis, but not what my interest is focused on now. I think this is why some legacy brands struggle (also with the changing of the guard which established the brand) and why revamps don't work.

I guess Habitat worked out and I'm hoping Satori will do it right, but there are obvious fails like Blueprint and even successful ones like Plan B and Creature even smell funny. I wasn't there in their heyday but I can see where they at now. Get there while you can. I absolutely loved Ipath but don't need or want to see it come back. I think Quasi is a perfect answer to Alien Workshop.

I loved this era but am more fitting with IDK Polar and Sour as a 30-something. I still love Emerica.

Other notes:
- The flashes/strobes from the sequence photography in the video looked weird.
- Why do I still think of Matt Bennett as the new guy? I also thought he was in the fallen video but no?
- Yeah, J Lay's part was the best.
- I wish videos still had a post-credits montage scored to Belle and Sebastian and I still lived at home and had all my pets with me.
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I think he is but he doesn't have a part, just a few clips if I remember correctly in Harmony's part

Bennett definitely has a full part.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: TheFandangler on April 08, 2021, 04:12:50 PM
I think I like JLay's part the best, but Billy was on some crazy shit back then. I think his second song works really well too.

I forgot how sick Bennett's part is. Wasn't a huge fan of his back in the day, but I really enjoyed rewatching his part.

Forgot about the Spanish Iron Maiden for Diego's part.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on April 08, 2021, 04:22:42 PM
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Just watched a good chunk of this while writing slowly.

Music supervision and art direction were top notch, especially fitting for the era. Videos and brands from this time will always have a soft spot within me, but I think it works because of its context. I wouldn't have the same expectations from Toy Machine or Zero at current day. Not a dis, but not what my interest is focused on now. I think this is why some legacy brands struggle (also with the changing of the guard which established the brand) and why revamps don't work.

I guess Habitat worked out and I'm hoping Satori will do it right, but there are obvious fails like Blueprint and even successful ones like Plan B and Creature even smell funny. I wasn't there in their heyday but I can see where they at now. Get there while you can. I absolutely loved Ipath but don't need or want to see it come back. I think Quasi is a perfect answer to Alien Workshop.

I loved this era but am more fitting with IDK Polar and Sour as a 30-something. I still love Emerica.

Other notes:
- The flashes/strobes from the sequence photography in the video looked weird.
- Why do I still think of Matt Bennett as the new guy? I also thought he was in the fallen video but no?
- Yeah, J Lay's part was the best.
- I wish videos still had a post-credits montage scored to Belle and Sebastian and I still lived at home and had all my pets with me.
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I think he is but he doesn't have a part, just a few clips if I remember correctly in Harmony's part
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Bennett definitely has a full part.

I’m talking about the Fallen video, not Good and Evil
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on April 08, 2021, 08:17:23 PM
Watching it again this morning, Jiay unquestionably has the best part. Also noticed how ugly the old Ed Templeton Emericas looked. Also, Ladytron is such a wack song for a video part.
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Post by: funeral_tuxedo on April 08, 2021, 09:30:45 PM
http://youtu.be/zDHY204_VxY

what an incredible part
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: deathturd on April 08, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
The three pages of DVD bonus content
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: rocklobster on April 08, 2021, 10:03:50 PM
The three pages of DVD bonus content

Just avoid the Austin Stephens injury clip, I'm scarred for life
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: sid vicious on April 08, 2021, 10:12:41 PM
Does anyone remember how to get the bonus easter egg part that was on the dvd? i remember a friend showing me when it first came out. Was a part of 2 brothers
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: everythingisgreat on April 08, 2021, 10:18:16 PM
Also I remember being like “how did you do sw big heel board?” To which billy marks simply shrugged and said “eh I got lucky”.
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: my english is bad on April 08, 2021, 11:03:41 PM
J lay and Josh Harmony
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Post by: Abec3000 on April 08, 2021, 11:07:34 PM
Got to see Johnny Layton’s back lip and back smith down that big ten in person. That rail is chest high so didn’t really think those tricks were possible at the time. But Johnny or Billy.
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Post by: pica on April 09, 2021, 12:31:23 AM
Does anyone remember how to get the bonus easter egg part that was on the dvd? i remember a friend showing me when it first came out. Was a part of 2 brothers

Do you mean the flow section with nial and sean frederickson? Thats the easter egg  from suffer the joy

https://youtu.be/11yMkCKNtrY (https://youtu.be/11yMkCKNtrY)

Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Double Thick Filbert on April 09, 2021, 09:49:22 AM
billy dropped some ground breaking hammers in emo hesh gear that part is still heavy
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: TheFandangler on April 09, 2021, 10:33:25 AM
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Just watched a good chunk of this while writing slowly.

Music supervision and art direction were top notch, especially fitting for the era. Videos and brands from this time will always have a soft spot within me, but I think it works because of its context. I wouldn't have the same expectations from Toy Machine or Zero at current day. Not a dis, but not what my interest is focused on now. I think this is why some legacy brands struggle (also with the changing of the guard which established the brand) and why revamps don't work.

I guess Habitat worked out and I'm hoping Satori will do it right, but there are obvious fails like Blueprint and even successful ones like Plan B and Creature even smell funny. I wasn't there in their heyday but I can see where they at now. Get there while you can. I absolutely loved Ipath but don't need or want to see it come back. I think Quasi is a perfect answer to Alien Workshop.

I loved this era but am more fitting with IDK Polar and Sour as a 30-something. I still love Emerica.

Other notes:
- The flashes/strobes from the sequence photography in the video looked weird.
- Why do I still think of Matt Bennett as the new guy? I also thought he was in the fallen video but no?
- Yeah, J Lay's part was the best.
- I wish videos still had a post-credits montage scored to Belle and Sebastian and I still lived at home and had all my pets with me.
[close]

I think he is but he doesn't have a part, just a few clips if I remember correctly in Harmony's part
[close]

Bennett definitely has a full part.
[close]

I’m talking about the Fallen video, not Good and Evil

Apologies!
Title: Re: Best Part in Toy Machine’s Good & Evil
Post by: Tarquin on April 09, 2021, 10:44:24 AM
I like Matt Bennett but he does the funniest and worst switch push ever committed to film about a minute into his part.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5nCMs5lROQ