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Title: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: CorneliusCardew on April 18, 2021, 07:06:57 PM
I have been going through a skate identity crisis. I can't find any external standard for judgment. So I ask all of you:

What are the skill levels in skating?
What can the average skater do?
What can a good skater do?
How to distinguish?
They're also a whole bunch of other ways of formulating this question which you can feel free to respond to...

I would appreciate any information. It doesn't need to be precise or anything but I am just genuinely curious about how people think about this question. Also I'm not really thinking about stuff like to get sponsored or anything like that I'm thinking more just regular skaters like what distinguishes someone who's good, how can you tell, when did you realize you were"good" etc

P.S. also I recognize that the whole notion of like good skating bad skating is kind of b******* but at the same time really curious about it.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: PatrickSkateman on April 18, 2021, 07:20:17 PM
This is the gold standard by which skillz are judged.

https://youtu.be/LI4VkCcaJUY (https://youtu.be/LI4VkCcaJUY)
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: ziggy on April 18, 2021, 07:30:28 PM
fuck all of that shit

this is SLAP, fits are all that matter
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: fakie butt drop on April 18, 2021, 07:50:02 PM
if you can get mad and focus your board first t your good
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Ziad on April 18, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
Are you having fun skating? that's all what matters you're not in competition with anyone
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: CorneliusCardew on April 18, 2021, 08:04:14 PM
Are you having fun skating? that's all what matters you're not in competition with anyone

I know that's true but I feel like there is some cultural system
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: TheLurper on April 18, 2021, 08:07:31 PM
If you can't do a 900, I suggest quitting immediately.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: cucktard on April 18, 2021, 08:19:16 PM
I have a loose system for snowboarding which can translate into skating.

AAA-Top-tier pro

AA-Pro

A-Small brand Pro

BBB- Amateur

BB- Couple of sponsors/flow

B-Shop flow/ local shredder

CCC- Shredder

CC- Competent

C- Decent

D- The rest of us

And population-wise, its a pyramid, with the smallest amount of people at the top, largest population base at the bottom.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: ungzilla on April 18, 2021, 08:21:56 PM
If u can back tail you're a level 9 warlock
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: GardenSkater77 on April 18, 2021, 08:26:10 PM
It always comes down to how many bloards you can Ollie. Also, according to the 11 year olds at the park I may be sponsored and possibly know Tony Hawk.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: companguero on April 18, 2021, 10:06:32 PM
can you balance on one leg long enough without tippy-tapping your kick leg while pushing?

can you no-pop shuvits going fast without clutching your pearls?

can you powerslide BS & FS?

carve and pump bowl?

ollie / nollie?

vert?

Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on April 18, 2021, 10:08:02 PM
I feel like if you have a little bag of tricks for every normal obstacle (ledge, manny, tranny, flatbar, 3-4 stair) and a trick or two on larger stuff like a handrail or a large set then you are around average. Doing all this with style/having bigger bags of tricks for each thing is what makes you good. But it’s hard to say cuz someone might be a beast on tranny but have no manny game so maybe everything I just said was bullshit.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: bigbevev on April 18, 2021, 10:23:35 PM
Being well rounded gives the appearance of a “good” skater, do with that what you will. Doing tricks on the nose and tail, transition skills, flip tricks and rails. Jumping off stuff is somewhat irrelevant these days.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Brguy on April 18, 2021, 11:51:25 PM
I think it all comes down to a few things, you can ollie over, onto and down stuff, you can do some manuals, you can do a 50-50 or a noseslide even if not that greatly, you can carve a bowl no matter the size and maybe do a few tricks depending on what it is. To me that's really all you'd want to do and the rest is just extra. Also flatground and bombing hills.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: goodatmeth on April 18, 2021, 11:51:43 PM
I recently learned switch tres and got a notification that I leveled up
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Easy Slider on April 19, 2021, 12:25:24 AM
I recently learned switch tres and got a notification that I leveled up

What's next?

Level 1: Ollie
Level 2: Kickflip
Level 3: 360 Flip
Level 4: Switch 360 Flip
Level 5: ???
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Prostate Exam on April 19, 2021, 12:32:54 AM
This ain't no MMO
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: non-playable character on April 19, 2021, 12:33:13 AM
I recently learned switch tres and got a notification that I leveled up
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Paul Cicero on April 19, 2021, 01:29:00 AM
I feel like if you have a little bag of tricks for every normal obstacle (ledge, manny, tranny, flatbar, 3-4 stair) and a trick or two on larger stuff like a handrail or a large set then you are around average. Doing all this with style/having bigger bags of tricks for each thing is what makes you good. But it’s hard to say cuz someone might be a beast on tranny but have no manny game so maybe everything I just said was bullshit.

This is pretty accurate. Have at least one trick for any spot.

True rippers have all around game, tranny to flat ground.. think Penny, Ishod.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: SneakySecrets on April 19, 2021, 02:51:03 AM
You have to have bs lipslides on flatbars, at least one kickflip in ledge trick and atleast one stylish switch flip trick.

It may sound random but if you've never experienced the mental battle of committing to bs lipslides then you aren't a skater.


Basically i don't consider 99% of slap to be skaters which is sad considering my low standards.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: MorningSesh on April 19, 2021, 04:32:57 AM
I've long felt like 360-flips have pretty much become the new "kickflip" in terms of being a metric of how much time/effort someone has put into skating. But then there's those that you can tell rushed into learning those before even being able to do a solid 180 and can barely do anything on transition/ledges. Parroting everyone else, I think how well-rounded you are says a lot more about where your "skill level" is.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: silhouette on April 19, 2021, 04:37:06 AM
I have been going through a music identity crisis. I can't find any external standard for judgment. So I ask all of you:

What are the skill levels in music?
What can the average musician do?
What can a good musician do?
How to distinguish?

Edited your questions for extra perspective, hoping to convey my take better than I would with lorem ipsum. Even if not, paralleling the practice of skating with music, or acting, or the bigger picture of art in general is always good for hindsight or so I find.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: cky enthusiast on April 19, 2021, 05:05:20 AM
i gotta say for a communist you’re really concerned w/ hierarchy my man
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Hyliannightmare on April 19, 2021, 05:38:35 AM
Whatever the Olympics uses
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: cherry on April 19, 2021, 05:44:52 AM
Doug pineapple saladino and then work your way backwards down the list. If you’re not even top 1,000 skater of all time focus your life
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: hairdo on April 19, 2021, 07:08:27 AM
I've long felt like 360-flips have pretty much become the new "kickflip" in terms of being a metric of how much time/effort someone has put into skating. But then there's those that you can tell rushed into learning those before even being able to do a solid 180 and can barely do anything on transition/ledges. Parroting everyone else, I think how well-rounded you are says a lot more about where your "skill level" is.

idk I feel like many people find tres naturally easy. it might actually be an easier trick than a kickflip if you learn it right. once I learned the "trick" to doing them  it took me less time to get solid than kickflip. even to this day I have to practice kick flip all the time to hang on to them, whereas I can just whip a tre around after not doing them for weeks
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Youoverthere on April 19, 2021, 07:15:18 AM
I have a loose system for snowboarding which can translate into skating.

AAA-Top-tier pro

AA-Pro

A-Small brand Pro

BBB- Amateur

BB- Couple of sponsors/flow

B-Shop flow/ local shredder

CCC- Shredder

CC- Competent

C- Decent

D- The rest of us

And population-wise, its a pyramid, with the smallest amount of people at the top, largest population base at the bottom.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Jewel Runner on April 19, 2021, 07:19:16 AM
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I've long felt like 360-flips have pretty much become the new "kickflip" in terms of being a metric of how much time/effort someone has put into skating. But then there's those that you can tell rushed into learning those before even being able to do a solid 180 and can barely do anything on transition/ledges. Parroting everyone else, I think how well-rounded you are says a lot more about where your "skill level" is.
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idk I feel like many people find tres naturally easy. it might actually be an easier trick than a kickflip if you learn it right. once I learned the "trick" to doing them  it took me less time to get solid than kickflip. even to this day I have to practice kick flip all the time to hang on to them, whereas I can just whip a tre around after not doing them for weeks

Shit now I gotta learn 360 flips
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: lucascbn on April 19, 2021, 07:29:36 AM
fuck all of that shit

this is SLAP, fits are all that matter
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: SatanicPanic on April 19, 2021, 07:46:09 AM
I feel like if you have a little bag of tricks for every normal obstacle (ledge, manny, tranny, flatbar, 3-4 stair) and a trick or two on larger stuff like a handrail or a large set then you are around average. Doing all this with style/having bigger bags of tricks for each thing is what makes you good. But it’s hard to say cuz someone might be a beast on tranny but have no manny game so maybe everything I just said was bullshit.
Plus some flat ground and some dork tricks
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: MorningSesh on April 19, 2021, 07:48:44 AM
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I've long felt like 360-flips have pretty much become the new "kickflip" in terms of being a metric of how much time/effort someone has put into skating. But then there's those that you can tell rushed into learning those before even being able to do a solid 180 and can barely do anything on transition/ledges. Parroting everyone else, I think how well-rounded you are says a lot more about where your "skill level" is.
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idk I feel like many people find tres naturally easy. it might actually be an easier trick than a kickflip if you learn it right. once I learned the "trick" to doing them  it took me less time to get solid than kickflip. even to this day I have to practice kick flip all the time to hang on to them, whereas I can just whip a tre around after not doing them for weeks
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Shit now I gotta learn 360 flips
For me, they're fucking difficult. I hope to get them on lock one day but right now they never come without at least around a half-hour of trying them at the moment.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: j....soy..... on April 19, 2021, 07:57:09 AM
I only care about my rep on slap.....
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: exlurker on April 19, 2021, 08:54:52 AM
Kickflips require more energy than tres, if you're doing the latter right. Or maybe i just do the former wrong.

Mine have always been dogshit and inconsistent, so maybe it's just jealousy, but I always think a good backside tailslide on a ledge marks someone as a good skater, even if they barely have any other tricks. That trick alone will do.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Christmas Complete on April 19, 2021, 11:48:55 AM
Can u hamplant? Check yes or no:
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Brguy on April 19, 2021, 01:17:54 PM
I learned hardflips before 360 flips, but now I can do 360 flips and no hardflips, life sucks sometimes.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: homegrown83 on April 19, 2021, 02:42:13 PM
Just skate and have fun.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: CorneliusCardew on July 21, 2021, 09:43:21 AM
i gotta say for a communist you’re really concerned w/ hierarchy my man

Communists tend to be realists we're concerned with what is really going on especially in situations of massive hypocrisy when people act like there is no social structure to the way things are done when in fact they really is.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: DaleSr on July 21, 2021, 10:00:01 AM
I think being well rounded and able to do a little bit of everything is the key and the standard I've been trying to hold myself to. I try and do as much as my body allows me to, and still try and push my limits.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: MadeYouLook on July 21, 2021, 10:18:53 AM
I think my only critique of other skaters is style... I know this dude who has the patience and will to learn any trick but everything is so sketchy. Him and some other people I know don't spend enough time cruising and pushing.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: yghartsyrt on July 21, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
I suck, but i'm too old to care. As long as there's some hanging around and beer involved – i'm fine
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on July 21, 2021, 10:41:21 AM
Are you having fun, and are you being a dick? Those are the only questions you need to ask yourself.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: ndsr on July 21, 2021, 11:07:53 AM
If u can back tail you're a level 9 warlock
Even if I can only nollie into them?
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: rawbertson. on July 21, 2021, 11:08:17 AM
90% of humans: cant stand on a board without falling
D tier: can ride the board without falling
C Tier: Can scoop the tail
B Tier: Flip trick + 5050
A Tier: fs flips + blunts
Flow: kickflip back tails
Am: nollie flip crooks on rails
Pro: Crook Nollie flip on rails
Legend: Rail of Coke
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Hinna on July 21, 2021, 11:15:37 AM
i always just thought back tail switch back tail that sort of thing and switch backside flip/tre/hardflip/good switch flips etc means someones pretty fucking good. if they can sit on a noseblunt or something thats spectacular. not really into switch crooks as the gold standard. i see the redbull kid treflipping in and out of everything and it does nothing for me
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on July 21, 2021, 11:16:04 AM
backflip - pro

can not backflip - am
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: ndsr on July 21, 2021, 11:17:16 AM
90% of humans: cant stand on a board without falling
D tier: can ride the board without falling
C Tier: Can scoop the tail
B Tier: Flip trick + 5050
A Tier: fs flips + blunts
Flow: kickflip back tails
Am: nollie flip crooks on rails
Pro: Crook Nollie flip on rails
Legend: Rail of Coke
Unfortunately most of my former skate crew are legends.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: rawbertson. on July 21, 2021, 11:27:37 AM
i always just thought back tail switch back tail that sort of thing and switch backside flip/tre/hardflip/good switch flips etc means someones pretty fucking good. if they can sit on a noseblunt or something thats spectacular. not really into switch crooks as the gold standard. i see the redbull kid treflipping in and out of everything and it does nothing for me

switch 3 flip definintely is heavy skill, regular 3 flip not so much

switch crooks is whatever. a long ass back noseblunt or back rail? pro af. any of that blind shit
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: skunty on July 21, 2021, 11:41:17 AM
your skate identity is more than your tricks. it's everything. including your posts on slap
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: drcroc on July 21, 2021, 04:41:14 PM

Level 1: Ollie a deck, front 180

Level 2: Ollie 2-3 decks, kickflip OR heelflip, front shuv, 3 shuv.


...Anything beyond that you're a beast.  Oh, and you should be able to boardslide a flat bar or curb also.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: FutureAccident on July 21, 2021, 05:00:19 PM
I think the previous analogy to music was a good one if we're discussing skateboarding as an art. When people evaluate your art or skateboarding or music they'll never appreciate it for the same reasons you do. They don't know the context, how you felt, etc. at the time you made it. They don't know that something that seems simple, minimal, or easy perfectly encapsulated how you felt. Or that it was something simple for most people but difficult for you. So, IMO if you've accomplished what you set out to do then you are "good" because there is essentially no scale.

If we're talking raw jock hucking down handrails "good" then I think you have to be able to switch back lip a 10 stair or higher. If you can flip in then you're "really good".
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Hinna on July 21, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
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i always just thought back tail switch back tail that sort of thing and switch backside flip/tre/hardflip/good switch flips etc means someones pretty fucking good. if they can sit on a noseblunt or something thats spectacular. not really into switch crooks as the gold standard. i see the redbull kid treflipping in and out of everything and it does nothing for me
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switch 3 flip definintely is heavy skill, regular 3 flip not so much

switch crooks is whatever. a long ass back noseblunt or back rail? pro af. any of that blind shit
i mean all switch for the rest of the sentence after switch backside flips pardon the confusion. i got tres and hardflips but it doesnt make me good or anything at the end of the day
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Sifter on July 21, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
F Rank - Stand on board in cracks or carpet
D Rank - Roll/lean on flat, maybe shuv, first kickflip
C Rank - Flip board, basic lip tricks, fs/bs boards and 50-50s
B Rank - Most fs/bs slides and grinds on ledge or flatbars. Some switch
A Rank - Flip into and out of above. Airs, tech lip tricks, handrails, stairs, switch
S Rank - Most of the above in all stances

XP rewards released next patch update

Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Sifter on July 21, 2021, 05:50:28 PM
S+ Rank - It's ALL fun
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: radcunt on July 21, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Me > all u losers
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on July 21, 2021, 06:24:11 PM
A great Skateboarder article written by Meza - 50 best things about skating - said that if you can do back tails, you’re good.

Mickey Reyes wrote something in Thrasher that if a kid can switch flip a decent sized set, they’re probably on the road to being sponsor-worthy.

And it’s not just like a select group of tricks that determine what’s good. I’ve always been surprised at how many pros can do way more tricks than we know them for. Remember when the Butcher got third place in the Es game of skate? No? Well, it was something.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: valuecommonsense on July 21, 2021, 06:33:39 PM
If you think pushing mongo is faster then pushing regular you are F tier.

and F tier stands for get the Fuck out of my sight.


I don't really have any other tiers.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: The Drew on July 21, 2021, 07:57:42 PM
I have a loose system for snowboarding which can translate into skating.

AAA-Top-tier pro

AA-Pro

A-Small brand Pro

BBB- Amateur

BB- Couple of sponsors/flow

B-Shop flow/ local shredder

CCC- Shredder

CC- Competent

C- Decent

D- The rest of us

And population-wise, its a pyramid, with the smallest amount of people at the top, largest population base at the bottom.

yay for "D's"... i feel like Im in high school over again Just like school
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: DaleSr on July 21, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
If you think pushing mongo is faster then pushing regular you are F tier.

and F tier stands for get the Fuck out of my sight.


I don't really have any other tiers.

lol
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: mushroom slice on July 21, 2021, 08:41:43 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/pQ6xfSY/F091-DAE4-A694-4-F0-B-9-E4-C-4-A58-BF61-C771.jpg)
Preform tricks for Rib.
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: ndsr on July 21, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Can u hamplant? Check yes or no:
  • Yes
  • No
Any real ham plant is best completed with a person, please leave the animals for eating. Shalom
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: mushroom slice on July 21, 2021, 08:51:45 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/h1gpPfB/848-B930-D-88-E6-4-C45-8-A4-A-D8892-AB605-E6.jpg)
Rib says Sure things are going to get sketchy, but when your having the time of your life whats sketchy?
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: ndsr on July 21, 2021, 09:07:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/h1gpPfB/848-B930-D-88-E6-4-C45-8-A4-A-D8892-AB605-E6.jpg)
Rib says Sure things are going to get sketchy, but when your having the time of your life whats sketchy?
Is that Neil Blender in the background
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: mushroom slice on July 21, 2021, 09:23:44 PM
Rib says Once you get a trick on film, it’s there forever. That’s money behind me . Stacks and data is of money.
(https://i.ibb.co/NCh1MS5/27761-B82-C88-D-4-D60-8082-0-A1-F58-AD513-C.jpg)
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Hinna on July 22, 2021, 06:07:39 AM
how much acid did you do yesterday
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on July 22, 2021, 06:29:05 AM
not enough
Title: Re: Skill Levels for skate
Post by: MadeYouLook on July 22, 2021, 07:53:54 AM
This may seem super basic but I think a good judge of skill is the ability to do flip tricks on anything other then flat ground.
Someone can have kickflips on flat but then not be able to kickflip up a curb approaching bs. People can 360 flip but not over a man hole cover.