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Title: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 19, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
People were talking about rails a bit in the 9"+ thread. I've always been curious about them and have put them on once or twice, but never did enough board- or lip- slides to justify it. Over the past year I've gone full slappy and have started skating the middle of my board as of late, thinking of trying some again.

For those of you who partake, what rails do you run? One or two rails? Just curious to learn a bit more about them.

I've got a set of rib bones that I tried and kind of liked. I also have a set of the New Deal rails, which would rule were they not routed so shallow that they barely stay on. I also have some Heroin glow sticks that I impulse bought and have never mounted. Considering getting some slightly longer screws for the New Deals and running them on my next setup.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 19, 2021, 09:37:52 AM
I personally think the welcome candy bars are the best around.

I run them on both sides, I have a lot of homies that run them on one side, but I’ve never been able to pull the trigger on trying it.

I will run them every chance I get, but in a pinch I will throw some pig rails on there and call it day, but they’re pretty icey. the lil jawns work well from what I’ve heard.

Also I’ve had nothing but bad experiences on the oj juice bars.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: TastyBurrito on April 19, 2021, 09:40:00 AM

Also I’ve had nothing but bad experiences on the oj juice bars.

Damn. And I just put a set on my board.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 19, 2021, 10:13:51 AM
I like the Santa Cruz Slim Lines. If I use rails I don't want them unnecessarily bulky, thick or long. I prefer using both. Its rad to put them a little closer to the center of the deck a bit to gain some leverage for feeble and hurricane attempts.

However, I  an currently of rails. Fun on a retro shape but I'm not a fan on popsicles. Also, terrifying on steel coping. Curbs only.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: bigdave on April 19, 2021, 10:41:23 AM
However, I  an currently of rails. Fun on a retro shape but I'm not a fan on popsicles. Also, terrifying on steel coping. Curbs only.

Yeah I think the reason I DONT run them is I really like having one setup for anything and just changing wheels when I need to, and I have a mini ramp w/ steel coping and spend most of my time on that.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:05:23 AM
I like the Santa Cruz Slim Lines. If I use rails I don't want them unnecessarily bulky, thick or long. I prefer using both. Its rad to put them a little closer to the center of the deck a bit to gain some leverage for feeble and hurricane attempts.

However, I  an currently of rails. Fun on a retro shape but I'm not a fan on popsicles. Also, terrifying on steel coping. Curbs only.

I'm riding slimlines right now, they're my preferred rail (bit cheaper than bones but less bulky, just by a bit).

A most recent set had wonky screws tho, they were round head instead of flat and the threads were thicker, they didn't allow the rail to sit flush with the board (my other two sets work fine) so I had to swap screws. Other than that one time issue no complaints.

Rails are not for everyone but if the terrain calls for it, might as well use it; been skating some double sided curbs of late with a few homies, one dude has no rails the rest of us are sliding twice if not 3x as far as he is, with less effort. I've also ridden slicks there and while they do just as well for slides as rails, they don't give you the balance or the leverage rails do, e.g., you can still feeble or smith, but with rails at the right angle you can rest on them, making the lock in all the easier.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Murge on April 19, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
Why do people run one rail?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
Why do people run one rail?

They don't want to stay out too late at the club...
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: bigdave on April 19, 2021, 11:14:41 AM
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I like the Santa Cruz Slim Lines. If I use rails I don't want them unnecessarily bulky, thick or long. I prefer using both. Its rad to put them a little closer to the center of the deck a bit to gain some leverage for feeble and hurricane attempts.

However, I  an currently of rails. Fun on a retro shape but I'm not a fan on popsicles. Also, terrifying on steel coping. Curbs only.
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I'm riding slimlines right now, they're my preferred rail (bit cheaper than bones but less bulky, just by a bit).

A most recent set had wonky screws tho, they were round head instead of flat and the threads were thicker, they didn't allow the rail to sit flush with the board (my other two sets work fine) so I had to swap screws. Other than that one time issue no complaints.

Rails are not for everyone but if the terrain calls for it, might as well use it; been skating some double sided curbs of late with a few homies, one dude has no rails the rest of us are sliding twice if not 3x as far as he is, with less effort. I've also ridden slicks there and while they do just as well for slides as rails, they don't give you the balance or the leverage rails do, e.g., you can still feeble or smith, but with rails at the right angle you can rest on them, making the lock in all the easier.

Have definitely thought about setting up another board specifically for this. As much as I try to keep it to one board, it would be fun to have one, maybe that 9.5" Jason Adams super punk point, just for this specific use. Ive got a couple of packs of Lil Jawns sitting unused.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on April 19, 2021, 11:24:51 AM
Can someone explain why they use rails?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:25:54 AM
I built this setup with this spot in mind (well maybe three) but the truck width (and wheel width, which is still too wide, need to drop down to V3s) is specifically for these curbs (those curbs) - 169s would be easier but I just can't...and the rails slide for dayz.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/McBu6E4KIhj5anzXPcwES7GmlIyYK5ObHEW1YZAMMcvBPcN6D9xI43nhAoKYfLlM2foMMFqJZPogVUmDjU-c1cdN_EF1130NhneJK0LfHfO4JOd-HxAaJXNbxdAcqC83SsnixwZVL0A=w2400)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cW6WuUPGi7zNH6mvDGlgLTIcUV4GTbs0Lp2iHRuQUkK6e3Msij4YniqKK_tvi8XsvfHLz7jYFs5W0-2_6w6157J8PJlye9v0bonW-56ZxTc4A_SeStICFP3nqlwjYu7gAneKbCzRTho=w2400)

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:29:15 AM
Can someone explain why they use rails?


Rails are not for everyone but if the terrain calls for it, might as well use it; been skating some double sided curbs of late with a few homies, one dude has no rails the rest of us are sliding twice if not 3x as far as he is, with less effort. I've also ridden slicks there and while they do just as well for slides as rails, they don't give you the balance or the leverage rails do, e.g., you can still feeble or smith, but with rails at the right angle you can rest on them, making the lock in all the easier.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Thrash-trash on April 19, 2021, 11:29:38 AM
Ive had a few sets of Bones Ribs, Santa Cruz and the OJ juice bars. I feel the Santa Cruz & OJs are about the same. They look polished and the plastic feels a little more hard. The Bones are a little rough on the side edges, like you can see the saw blade marks and they feel a little softer.

I set mine up about 1/2" to  3/8" in and make sure you have clearance for wheel bite. I also add a little Shoo-Goo under the rail just incase you strip the screw or have a blow out. Always double check to make sure the screw head will clear the countersink hole, sometimes you'll have to re-drill it. I like to clamp the rail in place and run a small pilot hole for the screw to set. Dont over tighten the screw, or it'll strip.

Rails have opened up the slide to grind tricks for me. A little heel tilt from a board slide will lock in a hurricane in a heartbeat and you'll look like a seasoned curb skater in no time.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:32:06 AM
Ive had a few sets of Bones Ribs, Santa Cruz and the OJ juice bars. I feel the Santa Cruz & OJs are about the same. They look polished and the plastic feels a little more hard. The Bones are a little rough on the side edges, like you can see the saw blade marks and they feel a little softer.

I set mine up about 1/2" to  3/8" in and make sure you have clearance for wheel bite. I also add a little Shoo-Goo under the rail just incase you strip the screw or have a blow out. Always double check to make sure the screw head will clear the countersink hole, sometimes you'll have to re-drill it. I like to clamp the rail in place and run a small pilot hole for the screw to set. Dont over tighten the screw, or it'll strip.

Rails have opened up the slide to grind tricks for me. A little heel tilt from a board slide will lock in a hurricane in a heartbeat and you'll look like a seasoned curb skater in no time.

Rails+tilt make all the difference, so much easier.

That's also a benefit for rails, once you get sliding, that's it, your sliding so easily you have more time [to actually think] for tilting into a feeble or hurricane. I'm working on Feebles to board to feebles and boards to feebles/smiths/canes, can get it cant get out so great yet.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: YungJugg on April 19, 2021, 12:22:06 PM
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Ive had a few sets of Bones Ribs, Santa Cruz and the OJ juice bars. I feel the Santa Cruz & OJs are about the same. They look polished and the plastic feels a little more hard. The Bones are a little rough on the side edges, like you can see the saw blade marks and they feel a little softer.

I set mine up about 1/2" to  3/8" in and make sure you have clearance for wheel bite. I also add a little Shoo-Goo under the rail just incase you strip the screw or have a blow out. Always double check to make sure the screw head will clear the countersink hole, sometimes you'll have to re-drill it. I like to clamp the rail in place and run a small pilot hole for the screw to set. Dont over tighten the screw, or it'll strip.

Rails have opened up the slide to grind tricks for me. A little heel tilt from a board slide will lock in a hurricane in a heartbeat and you'll look like a seasoned curb skater in no time.
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Rails+tilt make all the difference, so much easier.

That's also a benefit for rails, once you get sliding, that's it, your sliding so easily you have more time [to actually think] for tilting into a feeble or hurricane. I'm working on Feebles to board to feebles and boards to feebles/smiths/canes, can get it cant get out so great yet.

Is board to smith a thing? Lip to smith all day, but getting into smith from a boardslide on a curb seems really hard. From the boardslide do you just lock in the back truck and quickly swing the front truck over?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 01:07:07 PM
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Ive had a few sets of Bones Ribs, Santa Cruz and the OJ juice bars. I feel the Santa Cruz & OJs are about the same. They look polished and the plastic feels a little more hard. The Bones are a little rough on the side edges, like you can see the saw blade marks and they feel a little softer.

I set mine up about 1/2" to  3/8" in and make sure you have clearance for wheel bite. I also add a little Shoo-Goo under the rail just incase you strip the screw or have a blow out. Always double check to make sure the screw head will clear the countersink hole, sometimes you'll have to re-drill it. I like to clamp the rail in place and run a small pilot hole for the screw to set. Dont over tighten the screw, or it'll strip.

Rails have opened up the slide to grind tricks for me. A little heel tilt from a board slide will lock in a hurricane in a heartbeat and you'll look like a seasoned curb skater in no time.
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Rails+tilt make all the difference, so much easier.

That's also a benefit for rails, once you get sliding, that's it, your sliding so easily you have more time [to actually think] for tilting into a feeble or hurricane. I'm working on Feebles to board to feebles and boards to feebles/smiths/canes, can get it cant get out so great yet.
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Is board to smith a thing? Lip to smith all day, but getting into smith from a boardslide on a curb seems really hard. From the boardslide do you just lock in the back truck and quickly swing the front truck over?

Pretty much! On a double sided curb back board (or even a lip, let's just say you are on the curb sliding), you pop up into a feeble briefly and then dip/tilt hard into a smith.

Regular stance:

- back board
- sliiiiiiiiiiide
- dip the back foot/tilt into a feeble
- then push the front foot down and to your left and stand up so you roll over the curb into a Front smith on the other side from where you started.

I was doing feebles into smiths today (basically just rolling over to the other side of the curb), just angles and what side of the curb you start on vs when you come off/position your body. I don't stand straight up on feebles so I can keep the angle, if I stand straight up during the feeble, they tend to become smiths. So I started board to smiths by using the feeble to get my truck on then adjust the angle/stand straight up.

I'd image visually, it's easier to 'see' a front feeble transitioning into a backside smith; speaking strictly double sided curbs mind.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Rubbrick on April 19, 2021, 01:15:11 PM
I like pig rails, but have been running Enjoi ones because I got that box of 10 for a good price. They’re similar shape to the pig ones but they wear down a bit faster and don’t feel like it’s as dense of a plastic. I also have a set of Lil Jawns that are parking block shaped for my next curb setup. Small cottage company that does rad shapes and custom rails. Typically only run rails on the curb board. It’s nice to be able to have a consistent slide and is fun to do the board pop to hurricane, feeble, etc. Cheating, I know - but it’s still really fun.

I could never figure out how to seat them correctly, but I think I’ve got it down now. I line them up where I want them, then trace around the corners with pen. Then stick some tape underneath and pre-drill the holes (very carefully not to go through the whole deck). Remove the rails and scrape/blow out the dust. Then hand screw the screws. Using a drill is how you strip them and get them to come loose. You can skip a step by just using foam mounting tape, but I like to remove the pushed up wood after drilling so it sits flush

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: caviarcreew on April 19, 2021, 01:17:54 PM
Lil Jawns
https://www.instagram.com/liljawns_rails/
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: antarctica on April 19, 2021, 01:55:31 PM
Finally a thread where I can voice my expertise in. Ive skated rails since my first setup and love them. Ill give a lil rundown of all the rails ive tried in no specific order.

#1 Powell: Mediocre at best, shape of them is weird, really thin but very tall. Also they have a really weird soft plasticy feel to them which I really hate. Instalation is a bit of a hassle but doable.

#2 Enjoi: Pretty good but theyre pretty short and are made out of a very hard plastic, instalation however is a dream.

#3 Welcome: Fun novelty coming in packs of one but I find them way too thick personally, double sided tape is genius but they are pretty pricey. Grabs work amazingly on them.

#4 Pig: To start off pig has by far the best shape and colour options out of all the rails ive tried, they also are made out of really good plastic. However, the screws they give you dont fit in the holes.Everytime I get a pair I have to reluctantly grab a razor blade and whittle the holes down to make them wide enough to fit the screws. Even with all the work I put in to make them skateable they still fall off my board or rattle like a motherfucker everytime I skate them.

#5 Madness: Basically enjoi but ive only seen them come in obnoxiously bright yellow with writing on the side, they lasted me a pretty long time tho.

#6 Heroin: Best. Rails. Ever. They are the perfect height and shape, they screw in perfect everytime, amazing plastic and they glow in the dark. Only gripe with them is that they dont have any colour options besides glow in the dark green.

I ride most of the time only one rail but Ill occaisonally put two if the graphic on my board is really sick or if im feeling like doing some weird tricks.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Chavo on April 19, 2021, 05:31:33 PM
I built this setup with this spot in mind (well maybe three) but the truck width (and wheel width, which is still too wide, need to drop down to V3s) is specifically for these curbs (those curbs) - 169s would be easier but I just can't...and the rails slide for dayz.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/McBu6E4KIhj5anzXPcwES7GmlIyYK5ObHEW1YZAMMcvBPcN6D9xI43nhAoKYfLlM2foMMFqJZPogVUmDjU-c1cdN_EF1130NhneJK0LfHfO4JOd-HxAaJXNbxdAcqC83SsnixwZVL0A=w2400)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cW6WuUPGi7zNH6mvDGlgLTIcUV4GTbs0Lp2iHRuQUkK6e3Msij4YniqKK_tvi8XsvfHLz7jYFs5W0-2_6w6157J8PJlye9v0bonW-56ZxTc4A_SeStICFP3nqlwjYu7gAneKbCzRTho=w2400)

If that's the curb next to Twix/sand gaps, that's the only place I use rails.

Why would anyone use slide rails? The same reason people ride mopeds.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FUBAR on April 19, 2021, 06:08:28 PM
I got some shred shack mfg/moose rails Im waiting on. Supposed to be good, we’ll see!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 19, 2021, 06:33:43 PM
I've tried a couple i like Pig the most so far

Last two sets I put on I've done the wood screws straight through all 7 plies (i think I read it on here)
and it works alot better. They clamp right down tight with no gaps and no rattle at all..

If you don't knock the screw tip off clean with your hammer you may get a little bump
But its pretty easy to perfect. 

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 19, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
When I was big into the funky shapes and rails and all that, I was after very specifics, the orange powe thin ribs were some of the best I encountered, that shape and thin profile with the rounded outer edge were mimicked by black labels last attempt at rails as well as pocket pistols. Bit softer of a plastic though.

There’s a lot of dudes cutting their own and there’s a few spread among Instagram that have a bit of a following but I can’t remember names right now
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: jtrpma on April 19, 2021, 07:45:15 PM
whenever i setup a new board i don't put any rails on and a few sessions in latest i miss them.

i do a lot of grabs and rails make it easier to tweak them.

bones better than santa cruz because they are softer and don't get as jagged.
also heard a lot of good things about the pig ones but never got my hands on a set.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 08:03:16 PM
I got some shred shack mfg/moose rails Im waiting on. Supposed to be good, we’ll see!

I was going to nab some SoCal rails (made by shred shack) but went with the cheaper dogtown rails; we'll see!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FUBAR on April 20, 2021, 01:46:16 AM
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I got some shred shack mfg/moose rails Im waiting on. Supposed to be good, we’ll see!
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I was going to nab some SoCal rails (made by shred shack) but went with the cheaper dogtown rails; we'll see!

This will be the first time using rails since a failed attempt last year, but I am setting up a bigger curb board and can’t wait to try them again...mounted correctly this time.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: concerned_parent on April 20, 2021, 09:39:09 AM
i run these kinda clunky creature ones and they're lime green and pretty cool

welcome ones were alright but pretty expensive and the tape works for one board and then you're donezo

don't like the powells

pig ones i've ridden the most and they're fine
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Firebert on April 20, 2021, 09:43:03 AM
Pig Rails because they're 14" - all the others are too long and hit my wheelbite
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 20, 2021, 05:28:39 PM
I have the mother lode on my Steve Clarr from 1989?  The Schmitt rails with the t-nut groove so no holes, you top mount them. 
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 20, 2021, 11:43:22 PM
Pig Rails because they're 14" - all the others are too long and hit my wheelbite

The only set of pig rails I had were messed up and the screws wouldn’t fit the holes. I’m using OJ juice bars now and they are also 14”. I feel like they don’t slide super well I’m though but the wheelbite situation is why I’ve stuck them out.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 21, 2021, 07:29:03 AM
Pig Rails because they're 14" - all the others are too long and hit my wheelbite

I was curious about that. Last time I tried a Rib Bone the ends kept getting bit. Recently say these 13.5" Slappy Hour rails. Nice and short:

https://thesellerdoor.com/shop/slappy-hour-13-5-swizzle-stixx/ (https://thesellerdoor.com/shop/slappy-hour-13-5-swizzle-stixx/)

Anybody know offhand what size screw most brands use? Looks like #8 x 1/2" but I am not sure.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: mj23 on April 21, 2021, 09:32:13 AM
Like a lot of others here I tried Pig rails and found that the screws were shitty and the rails came out of my board pretty quickly. They also rattled a lot.

Now I have some Santa Cruz rails which are holding nicely, no rattle, no screw issues. A bit long for the Dane 1 wheelbase tho and I do occasionally get wheelbite. Rail wheelbite is so much worse than deck wheelbite. But they’re fun for a curb cruiser and also for getting a little more height between the wheels and the ground on boardslides with big soft wheels.

Kinda want to lighten the setup a little tho. Considering using a single rail for my next cruiser/shaped deck... although the different may be totally marginal, idk
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on April 21, 2021, 11:42:49 AM
I'm seeing a lot of comments about wheel bite with rails. I may be missing something here, but if you lean into a couple bitey turns going regular and then fakie on your fresh deck before you put your rails on, it's like...really easy to avoid all four bite marks when installing the rails.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Firebert on April 21, 2021, 11:47:28 AM
I'm seeing a lot of comments about wheel bite with rails. I may be missing something here, but if you lean into a couple bitey turns going regular and then fakie on your fresh deck before you put your rails on, it's like...really easy to avoid all four bite marks when installing the rails.
Not if you want your rails in the spots where the bite marks are. I'm not about to put them on crooked or all the way on the edges.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 02:39:04 PM
I'm seeing a lot of comments about wheel bite with rails. I may be missing something here, but if you lean into a couple bitey turns going regular and then fakie on your fresh deck before you put your rails on, it's like...really easy to avoid all four bite marks when installing the rails.

I get wheel bite for days...and my rails are always 1/4" or more away from any wheel bite mark...

Stop installing your rails under your wheels?
Move them in or out to avoid bite?
Don't buy 15" rails (Rib bones are 14.5 so I don't touch them are people installing them on 14"WB incorrectly)?

Install them within the wheelbase, so the tip of the rail doesn't go past the edge of the baseplate and you should be fine...I'm with you @babywantsbluevelvet I'm not seeing how this is even a thing when there are so many ways to avoid it?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on April 21, 2021, 02:43:49 PM
I bow my rails which locks boardslides in the middle, makes hurricanes easier and avoids wheelbite

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: pica on April 21, 2021, 02:44:23 PM

welcome ones were alright but pretty expensive and the tape works for one board and then you're

If you dont want your rails to rattle around just apply a thin layer of shoe goo before you drill them on your deck.
Later you can remove them with a razor blade.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Jory4 on April 22, 2021, 07:12:04 AM
I’ve been switching between one and two rails recently.

Mostly skating curbs and mini ramp so a mix of steel and concrete.

Two rails is ok on steel coping as long as “the kids” don’t wax obsessively. If it’s waxed coping two is scary and one ( toe side ) is a good compromise of extra slide and stability but still some control.

I’ve tried rib bones, pig, juice bars and streetplant ones. IME the harder plastic ones like pigs and the juice bars are way slippier / scarier on steel and the softer ones where the plastic feels like a chopping board have better control.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 22, 2021, 07:34:15 AM
I bow my rails which locks boardslides in the middle, makes hurricanes easier and avoids wheelbite

Ride a deck a few times before you put the rails on to see where the wheel bite marks are. You can then either position the rails away from the marks or bend the rails so they curve in at that point, as others have mentioned.

You can also just mount your trucks and squeeze them to down to see where the wheel will hit...
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: 144p on April 22, 2021, 07:37:58 AM
I’ll start with this, if you don’t frequently skate a double sided curb then rails aren’t really needed all the time. It really dramatically makes the spot way more fun and opens up so many possibilities for combos and turns that 1 foot boardslide into a 20 footer easily.
I get flack from those 30+ year old buddies who take themselves and their skating way too seriously with trick do’s and donts lists. For a bigger guy it makes every flat bar slide the same, board slides on coping are way more fun too.
I’ve been told I’m cheating, had people look at my board with disgust. I don’t worry about their setups but they seem like they love to judge mine. It’s just a different approach.
Anyways as for rail types, brands use different materials. The harder plastic Santa Cruz, pig, madness uses is faster kind of but less damp so the screws are more likely to come out and rattle and they also wear down much faster than the material welcome, new deal, rad railz, lil jawns, Powell etc use. I also set mine about 1.5-1.75 inches in for maximum combo as the leverage point of your board is where the concave begins.
I used one rail for fun a few times but didn’t see a big change so just went to 2 as I couldn’t do the boardcane without a heel side rail.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 22, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
I’ll start with this, if you don’t frequently skate a double sided curb then rails aren’t really needed all the time. It really dramatically makes the spot way more fun and opens up so many possibilities for combos and turns that 1 foot boardslide into a 20 footer easily.
I get flack from those 30+ year old buddies who take themselves and their skating way too seriously with trick do’s and donts lists. For a bigger guy it makes every flat bar slide the same, board slides on coping are way more fun too.
I’ve been told I’m cheating, had people look at my board with disgust. I don’t worry about their setups but they seem like they love to judge mine. It’s just a different approach.
Anyways as for rail types, brands use different materials. The harder plastic Santa Cruz, pig, madness uses is faster kind of but less damp so the screws are more likely to come out and rattle and they also wear down much faster than the material welcome, new deal, rad railz, lil jawns, Powell etc use. I also set mine about 1.5-1.75 inches in for maximum combo as the leverage point of your board is where the concave begins.
I used one rail for fun a few times but didn’t see a big change so just went to 2 as I couldn’t do the boardcane without a heel side rail.

Thank you, this is some choice information. I just got some slightly longer screws for my New Deal rails (they're very shallowly routed and popped off too easily on the last board I tried them on) and I am going to put them on my current whip and wasn't quite sure how far I wanted to put them in.

Big Shalom to everyone who has posted in here thus far as well.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on April 22, 2021, 09:01:57 AM
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I'm seeing a lot of comments about wheel bite with rails. I may be missing something here, but if you lean into a couple bitey turns going regular and then fakie on your fresh deck before you put your rails on, it's like...really easy to avoid all four bite marks when installing the rails.
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Not if you want your rails in the spots where the bite marks are. I'm not about to put them on crooked or all the way on the edges.

How wide are the boards you're riding? Mine are usually around 9", so that does give me a lot of wiggle room. I could see how riding something smaller would make wheel bite more of an issue now that I think about it.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Firebert on April 22, 2021, 09:26:54 AM
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I'm seeing a lot of comments about wheel bite with rails. I may be missing something here, but if you lean into a couple bitey turns going regular and then fakie on your fresh deck before you put your rails on, it's like...really easy to avoid all four bite marks when installing the rails.
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Not if you want your rails in the spots where the bite marks are. I'm not about to put them on crooked or all the way on the edges.
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How wide are the boards you're riding? Mine are usually around 9", so that does give me a lot of wiggle room. I could see how riding something smaller would make wheel bite more of an issue now that I think about it.

I'm referring to an 8.5 I have with a 14" wb which makes 14.5 rails hit that spot. I have them lined up in that spot as to save the graphic. I'm not putting them further in - they're already an inch and a half away from the edge.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2021, 05:41:12 PM
I’ll start with this, if you don’t frequently skate a double sided curb then rails aren’t really needed all the time. It really dramatically makes the spot way more fun and opens up so many possibilities for combos and turns that 1 foot boardslide into a 20 footer easily.
I get flack from those 30+ year old buddies who take themselves and their skating way too seriously with trick do’s and donts lists. For a bigger guy it makes every flat bar slide the same, board slides on coping are way more fun too.
I’ve been told I’m cheating, had people look at my board with disgust. I don’t worry about their setups but they seem like they love to judge mine. It’s just a different approach.
Anyways as for rail types, brands use different materials. The harder plastic Santa Cruz, pig, madness uses is faster kind of but less damp so the screws are more likely to come out and rattle and they also wear down much faster than the material welcome, new deal, rad railz, lil jawns, Powell etc use. I also set mine about 1.5-1.75 inches in for maximum combo as the leverage point of your board is where the concave begins.
I used one rail for fun a few times but didn’t see a big change so just went to 2 as I couldn’t do the boardcane without a heel side rail.


I've zero regrets running rails and Tensor Maglights on my slappy ride =D I can get close to my mag light distance on Indys but it takes quite a bit more effort. Skating is supposed to be fun! Double the boardslide or grind length is always good feeling. Use the right tool for the job.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 22, 2021, 09:05:33 PM
Why do people run one rail?

There are a lot of guys who use a single rail on the toe side, which they say works best for them, the main reason being for boardslides and lipslides (always forwards facing, so back boards and front lips) so they can sit on their heels to slow it or put more weight on their toe side which, with the rail, will not pitch them forward the way no rails would do on boardslides, if you get what I mean.

They also like to use it to lock in front smith or back feebles too.


Rail placement also has a lot to do with some tricks, as has been mentioned already, having the rail sitting in a bit means you can really lean a lot more on heels or toes to get the board up into combinations, eg boardslide up into hurricane or feeble easily.  Rails sitting out almost at the edge will often be more for people who just want maximum  flat width on the boardslides, but I also know some guys who ride wider boards and low or slim rails right on the edge so they still get a lot of deck contact but can lean on the rails more if they need to, which is a different take.


Rails are fun but if you are not used to them, you can slip out very quickly until you account for them, eg I don't usually ride rails but the couple of boards I have (second hand with rails already on them) I skate occasionally and it is fun but a bit scary for me, but damn you can slide for ever on them!!!


Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 23, 2021, 06:41:42 AM
Taking some advice from this thread, I put my New Deal rails on my Cards board (you can probably see where I had put a single Rib Bone on before but didn't like it).

I measured 1.25" in from the edges and used some 1/2" double-sided foam tape to affix the rails. Since the New Deals don't seem to be routed very deep, I swapped the OG screws out for some #6 x 5/8" screws. This put the screw heads down nicely and made the rails feel super secure. I used a ratcheting screwdriver, which was helped me feel when it was in as far as it would go.

Took it out for a little bit to skate some parking blocks and am loving it so far. My fear of board slides has always came from sticking and eating shit, but these felt fast and very stable. I think using a single rail and/or having them too far out was ruining the experience for me.

(https://i.imgur.com/lNDhG2B.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Rubbrick on April 23, 2021, 07:15:41 AM
Has anyone tried these? I remember Roger from the nine club saying he rides these because they’re shorter wheelbase and only use 4 screws

https://www.bevupway.com/category/rails
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2021, 08:44:28 AM
Has anyone tried these? I remember Roger from the nine club saying he rides these because they’re shorter wheelbase and only use 4 screws

https://www.bevupway.com/category/rails


Bevup is rad to watch! Slappy master for sure (Tensors, lockins and rails)
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2021, 12:18:18 PM
Finally a thread where I can voice my expertise in. Ive skated rails since my first setup and love them.


#6 Heroin: Best. Rails. Ever. They are the perfect height and shape, they screw in perfect everytime, amazing plastic and they glow in the dark. Only gripe with them is that they dont have any colour options besides glow in the dark green.


Just grabbed two pair off SoCal Skateshop based on your post!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: SuperRupp on April 24, 2021, 06:35:29 AM
I’m just getting back into skating and have spent the last 8 years working in plastic injection molding. Seeing a lot of product options for rails and it doesn’t seem like there’s a brand that sticks out to anyone in the sub as being particularly good. Some of my friends would use rails when I was younger to protect there graphic or whatever but I wasn’t really into it. Starting to mess with curb slappys as it seems like a fun way to skate without killing myself.  Might try to design a product of my own once I try out what’s available and maybe get some more feedback. Seems a lot of people here have issues with wheelbite length, mounting, and material slickness. If you have any suggestions let me know.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: radcunt on April 24, 2021, 06:41:20 AM
I have the mother lode on my Steve Clarr from 1989?  The Schmitt rails with the t-nut groove so no holes, you top mount them.

Hell yeah, sick rails
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: YungJugg on April 24, 2021, 06:52:45 AM
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I'm seeing a lot of comments about wheel bite with rails. I may be missing something here, but if you lean into a couple bitey turns going regular and then fakie on your fresh deck before you put your rails on, it's like...really easy to avoid all four bite marks when installing the rails.
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Not if you want your rails in the spots where the bite marks are. I'm not about to put them on crooked or all the way on the edges.
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How wide are the boards you're riding? Mine are usually around 9", so that does give me a lot of wiggle room. I could see how riding something smaller would make wheel bite more of an issue now that I think about it.
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I'm referring to an 8.5 I have with a 14" wb which makes 14.5 rails hit that spot. I have them lined up in that spot as to save the graphic. I'm not putting them further in - they're already an inch and a half away from the edge.

just cut an inch or so off the rail easy fix
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on April 25, 2021, 06:40:23 AM
I’m just getting back into skating and have spent the last 8 years working in plastic injection molding. Seeing a lot of product options for rails and it doesn’t seem like there’s a brand that sticks out to anyone in the sub as being particularly good. Some of my friends would use rails when I was younger to protect there graphic or whatever but I wasn’t really into it. Starting to mess with curb slappys as it seems like a fun way to skate without killing myself.  Might try to design a product of my own once I try out what’s available and maybe get some more feedback. Seems a lot of people here have issues with wheelbite length, mounting, and material slickness. If you have any suggestions let me know.

If you made a semi pliable rail with a rounded top instead of all this square edge stuff I’d buy
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Rubbrick on April 25, 2021, 11:55:11 AM
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I’m just getting back into skating and have spent the last 8 years working in plastic injection molding. Seeing a lot of product options for rails and it doesn’t seem like there’s a brand that sticks out to anyone in the sub as being particularly good. Some of my friends would use rails when I was younger to protect there graphic or whatever but I wasn’t really into it. Starting to mess with curb slappys as it seems like a fun way to skate without killing myself.  Might try to design a product of my own once I try out what’s available and maybe get some more feedback. Seems a lot of people here have issues with wheelbite length, mounting, and material slickness. If you have any suggestions let me know.
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If you made a semi pliable rail with a rounded top instead of all this square edge stuff I’d buy

Why do you need them to be pliable? To bend them to match the edges of odd shaped boards?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on April 25, 2021, 12:13:34 PM
Yes and I prefer to curve my rails in general

Doesnt have to be super pliable but enough to make it possible

Not to mention I find the extra hard rail material to feel icy and unnatural
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on May 19, 2021, 12:03:36 PM
Santa Cruz Slimline HSR Rails

<commence marketing jargon>

"Santa Cruz Skateboards Slimline HSR rails featuring an all new beveled 3D contour shape and new super-fast, durable high density material. America's first high speed rail."

(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/santa-cruz-skateboards-slimline-hsr-skateboard-rails-white-p54345-128155_medium.jpg)

(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/ar_1,c_pad/w_747,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/at3r3hdau2bs6skofvbi)

https://socalskateshop.com/search.html?Search=Santa%20Cruz%20Slimline%20HSR%20Rails%20-%20White

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-rails-c115/slimline-hsr-skateboard-rails-white-p54345
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on May 19, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Dig the shape
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: ManimalChin on May 19, 2021, 09:23:02 PM
Pig Rails because they're 14" - all the others are too long and hit my wheelbite

These rails and similar rails from the same factory all need to be drilled because the mold and screws aren't compatible. You just need to bore out all the holes before mounting the screws, or sometimes they pop out.

I prefer chunky old school rails. Powell makes good rails and so are the old school Schmitt rails...Schmitt Stix! You can find some good deals on NOS old school rails if you poke around the right places  8)

For those wanting to check out rails for the first time, get something with a bit of height. Rails aren't just for protecting the graphic; they slide faster than wood!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 20, 2021, 02:13:52 AM
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Pig Rails because they're 14" - all the others are too long and hit my wheelbite
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These rails and similar rails from the same factory all need to be drilled because the mold and screws aren't compatible. You just need to bore out all the holes before mounting the screws, or sometimes they pop out.



Quite a few others have had issues with those particular rails, self included when I tried to put them in by hand, but others say when they used a simple drill driver they had no issues.  I had always thought it was too easy to strip out the screw holes machining them in, but as long as you are gentle, it seems like it is the only way to get those rails on.

People quite like the fact that they are low and very hard (slippery) so they sell more often than other brands to street / curb skaters, but the Powell shaped rails seem like they are the best for people who are more into bigger ramp, bowl, etc as they are a bit taller and no where near as slippery.

Interesting the different uses can dictate the type of rails people prefer too.

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: mj23 on May 20, 2021, 10:55:16 AM
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Pig Rails because they're 14" - all the others are too long and hit my wheelbite
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These rails and similar rails from the same factory all need to be drilled because the mold and screws aren't compatible. You just need to bore out all the holes before mounting the screws, or sometimes they pop out.

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Quite a few others have had issues with those particular rails, self included when I tried to put them in by hand, but others say when they used a simple drill driver they had no issues.  I had always thought it was too easy to strip out the screw holes machining them in, but as long as you are gentle, it seems like it is the only way to get those rails on.

People quite like the fact that they are low and very hard (slippery) so they sell more often than other brands to street / curb skaters, but the Powell shaped rails seem like they are the best for people who are more into bigger ramp, bowl, etc as they are a bit taller and no where near as slippery.

Interesting the different uses can dictate the type of rails people prefer too.

This all sounds right. I’m trying pig rails for a second time right now. Pre-drilling a small hole in the deck made the screws sit in MUCH better than last time. Not having issues with the rail moving or pulling out at all. Still don’t love the screws included but that’s not a deal-breaker if I get the drill out and spend a few minutes extra on installation.

However, the harder Pig plastic still produces more rattle overall than the Santa Cruz rails I had last, which actually contributed (I think) to some of my hardware jiggling loose over time— first time that’s ever happened to me. I guess the next step would be to take some tips above and dampen the point of contact slightly with adhesive, shoe goo, or something else similar.

I’ve avoided wheelbite by taking above tips and just installing further towards the center of the deck. More stable because there’s less deck contact.

And they definitely slide faster. A little more than I might ideally need just to rip some curbs, but I got used to it quick and I can definitely slide across some comically crusty and unwaxed parking blocks.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: manysnakes on May 20, 2021, 02:14:36 PM
If you want to stop the rattle, pick up some very thin double-sided 3M-type tape from the hardware store. Something ~3-5mm wide, that fits under the rails. Apply the tape, always always always pre-drill a small guide hole, and install.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on May 25, 2021, 04:19:57 PM
The SC HSR arrived today. Hollow undersides...not sure why...they're stiffer than the regular slimline rails (and the heroin glowsticks), and feel more plasticy.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0EXD21J_IjHs123MAfGPHKNyRSEh42haQkNLKAfNhVAS-wN34KOP6alw4e7LYrZ-J3iSt1d0weXli6Vj3SYn9mVwI-mTle4WQekv7gyyHhm5a0HNG-UIORCLDP-wSwxWjQRdvS7FQj4=w2400)

They bevel inwards (taller edge on the outside, lower on the inside)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KkFRx3aXOp2usg1R83kTwKRLfuHEUWEwmmEJnX3wGNgoFMxotKFT3O5YUqoIfCU_j36_Zmy-pZYBn2ciBxPB9IAenYLjo5E6ECWYAOueGpr4n6CDf8uSg-Rpr1F_MA3WkWeSdXOwo3M=w2400)

I'll report back when I get a chance to put them through their paces.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: ManimalChin on May 25, 2021, 04:47:00 PM
Hollow undersides...not sure why

Less material = less cost for manufacturing
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on May 25, 2021, 04:55:55 PM
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Hollow undersides...not sure why
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Less material = less cost for manufacturing

Less cost for manufacturing = better Curbfeel™️
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: pointandclick on May 25, 2021, 05:00:03 PM
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Hollow undersides...not sure why
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Less material = less cost for manufacturing
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Less cost for manufacturing = better Curbfeel™️
also lightweight...
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: PhantomBased on June 03, 2021, 07:26:36 AM
I built this setup with this spot in mind (well maybe three) but the truck width (and wheel width, which is still too wide, need to drop down to V3s) is specifically for these curbs (those curbs) - 169s would be easier but I just can't...and the rails slide for dayz.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/McBu6E4KIhj5anzXPcwES7GmlIyYK5ObHEW1YZAMMcvBPcN6D9xI43nhAoKYfLlM2foMMFqJZPogVUmDjU-c1cdN_EF1130NhneJK0LfHfO4JOd-HxAaJXNbxdAcqC83SsnixwZVL0A=w2400)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cW6WuUPGi7zNH6mvDGlgLTIcUV4GTbs0Lp2iHRuQUkK6e3Msij4YniqKK_tvi8XsvfHLz7jYFs5W0-2_6w6157J8PJlye9v0bonW-56ZxTc4A_SeStICFP3nqlwjYu7gAneKbCzRTho=w2400)

Wtf is wrong with your back wheels
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 03, 2021, 08:10:05 AM
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Wtf is wrong with your back wheels

Just the camera angle, which distorts straight lines and makes things look a bit weird.

I had the same thing when trying to take pics of actual bent hangers so holding them one way they looked completely straight and holding them the other made them look completely messed up.

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2021, 09:42:31 AM
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Wtf is wrong with your back wheels
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Just the camera angle, which distorts straight lines and makes things look a bit weird.

I had the same thing when trying to take pics of actual bent hangers so holding them one way they looked completely straight and holding them the other made them look completely messed up.



It's as if he's never seen pics posted on this forum...90% of them look fucked up
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: 256 Ply on June 03, 2021, 11:15:15 AM
The SC HSR arrived today. Hollow undersides...not sure why...

It actually makes sense, as once you get to that part of the rail, you'd be flush with the wood screws. Might as well save some weight and use less plastic.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: PhantomBased on June 03, 2021, 11:45:16 AM
Hey just a psa or whatever Idk if anyone else here tried the enjoi rails, not the stupid bird ones but the colored stix, they’re kinda shitty and are wearing down super fast idk if other rails do this but it like shreds and comes off in little dangly pieces kind of annoying, they were super cheap but next time gonna get welcome rails cos I hear those are the new Schmidt stix or whatever. Hopefully I saved someone some money peace
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: PhantomBased on June 03, 2021, 11:47:12 AM
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Wtf is wrong with your back wheels
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Just the camera angle, which distorts straight lines and makes things look a bit weird.

I had the same thing when trying to take pics of actual bent hangers so holding them one way they looked completely straight and holding them the other made them look completely messed up.


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It's as if he's never seen pics posted on this forum...90% of them look fucked up

I’ve only been on here for like a month and I don’t get on everyday cos life and shit so maybe I don’t notice all of the wheels in every single photo I look at I just thought maybe his axel was bent Yknow I appreciate your observation though homie
I didn’t mean any like hate on the dude I was just like woah look at that
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Omars_Dad on June 03, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
I'm starting to actually really skate again after dealing with divorce, concussion, ankle sprain, and covid...all in that order. I found this perfect double high looooong parking block that i've been feeling out and for some reason the idea of one rail really made sense in my brain. I feel like i can slide without as much effort and have a little more balance too. Basically a whole new setup here aside from wheels and bearings

(https://i.imgur.com/YtV0hl8l.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2021, 02:04:43 AM
Hey just a psa or whatever Idk if anyone else here tried the enjoi rails, not the stupid bird ones but the colored stix, they’re kinda shitty and are wearing down super fast idk if other rails do this but it like shreds and comes off in little dangly pieces kind of annoying, they were super cheap but next time gonna get welcome rails cos I hear those are the new Schmidt stix or whatever. Hopefully I saved someone some money peace

Interesting!

What surface are you sliding on?  I know something with a bit of crust to it will take a layer of wood off the middle of the board and demolish rails fairly quickly too, or even a sharper metal edge will also chew into rails, almost like a peeler is being used on them.

At least rails cost a lot less than a new deck, and you can always turn them around if they are wearing more to one end than the other, or even one edge to the other.


Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: PhantomBased on June 04, 2021, 06:15:38 AM
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Hey just a psa or whatever Idk if anyone else here tried the enjoi rails, not the stupid bird ones but the colored stix, they’re kinda shitty and are wearing down super fast idk if other rails do this but it like shreds and comes off in little dangly pieces kind of annoying, they were super cheap but next time gonna get welcome rails cos I hear those are the new Schmidt stix or whatever. Hopefully I saved someone some money peace
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Interesting!

What surface are you sliding on?  I know something with a bit of crust to it will take a layer of wood off the middle of the board and demolish rails fairly quickly too, or even a sharper metal edge will also chew into rails, almost like a peeler is being used on them.

At least rails cost a lot less than a new deck, and you can always turn them around if they are wearing more to one end than the other, or even one edge to the other.

Hey those are great ideas thanks man. I’m mostly sliding on parking blocks and painted curbs I’ll post a picture of my rails here
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Chatbot on June 04, 2021, 07:53:23 AM
If you want to stop the rattle, pick up some very thin double-sided 3M-type tape from the hardware store. Something ~3-5mm wide, that fits under the rails. Apply the tape, always always always pre-drill a small guide hole, and install.

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My go to method is to pre-drill and make sure to clear out the wood shavings. I also use an impact gun which insures the screws are tight as possible without stripping them. This has always gotten the rails flush to the deck and stay that way for the duration of using the board.

I always feel bad for the kids who have rails but you can tell they only used a skate tool so they're uneven and not secured all the way.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on June 10, 2021, 09:03:06 AM
The SC HSR arrived today. Hollow undersides...not sure why...they're stiffer than the regular slimline rails (and the heroin glowsticks), and feel more plasticy.


They bevel inwards (taller edge on the outside, lower on the inside)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KkFRx3aXOp2usg1R83kTwKRLfuHEUWEwmmEJnX3wGNgoFMxotKFT3O5YUqoIfCU_j36_Zmy-pZYBn2ciBxPB9IAenYLjo5E6ECWYAOueGpr4n6CDf8uSg-Rpr1F_MA3WkWeSdXOwo3M=w2400)

I'll report back when I get a chance to put them through their paces.

I get it now, the taller outside edge compensates for concave to create a much more even sliding plane.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FUBAR on June 13, 2021, 04:30:38 PM
I used a few beads of shoe goo and hand screwed them in. The shoe goo made my board sound dead and I hate it. Going to leave it at the skatepark, with rails on it, and never try rails again. Rails stayed tight though!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on June 20, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
After skating SC's Slimline for months and putting the new High speed rails, through a few weeks of the same terrain, I can say they do feel faster but mainly due to them being harder and admittedly, the beveled edge does create a nice flat/level surface if you put them about an inch in. Prices being equal, I'd go for them everytime.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: The real veganshawn on June 21, 2021, 06:57:13 PM
Slappy Hour swizzle stix are truth, 13.5 in so no rail wheel bite, they slide great and Jason Adam's is the best ever
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Sedition on June 22, 2021, 08:31:04 PM
I took rails off my board back in the day when they "died." I tried them again last year, and within 5 min I was like, "Why the fuck did I ever take these off!?!?" Been riding them ever since.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: mj23 on July 08, 2021, 07:43:03 AM
Tried my old popsicle shape without rails, after several months skating on railed setups exclusively. I really missed the rattle! I’ve gotten totally used to it and now the rattle is like part of the same spitfire scream noise that I associate with skating. Somebody stop me before I pull the shields off my bearings  ;D
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 15, 2021, 07:45:19 AM
Like a lot of others here I tried Pig rails and found that the screws were shitty and the rails came out of my board pretty quickly. They also rattled a lot.

Now I have some Santa Cruz rails which are holding nicely, no rattle, no screw issues. A bit long for the Dane 1 wheelbase tho and I do occasionally get wheelbite. Rail wheelbite is so much worse than deck wheelbite. But they’re fun for a curb cruiser and also for getting a little more height between the wheels and the ground on boardslides with big soft wheels.

Kinda want to lighten the setup a little tho. Considering using a single rail for my next cruiser/shaped deck... although the different may be totally marginal, idk

i weigh all my rails and found that rib bones and lil jawns rails are lighter than the santa cruz and molded plastic models. the rib bones are half the weight of the santa cruz rails. oj juice bar makes a 14" single rail. if you want lighter rails make sure to get the rails that are cut to shape like lil jawns, rib bones, slappy hour, bevup rails are the few i know of.

 ive been trying to find a lightweight slappy setup.  Girl love seat 9" deck with tensor mag light 5.75(8.5"axle) trucks, orbs pugs wheels and lil jawn slim rails, quantum atom ceramic bearings, mob grip.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: GBLange on October 15, 2021, 11:42:54 PM
creature glow 14"

(https://i.ibb.co/k9VR4Xb/IMG-20211016-142644.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k9VR4Xb)
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on October 16, 2021, 04:12:02 AM
who sells rails with only 4 holes? i know Lil Jawns does but anyone know of anyone else?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Curbfiend on October 16, 2021, 04:29:01 AM
who sells rails with only 4 holes? i know Lil Jawns does but anyone know of anyone else?

Swizzle sticks are 4 hole
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 16, 2021, 01:24:14 PM
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I’ll start with this, if you don’t frequently skate a double sided curb then rails aren’t really needed all the time. It really dramatically makes the spot way more fun and opens up so many possibilities for combos and turns that 1 foot boardslide into a 20 footer easily.
I get flack from those 30+ year old buddies who take themselves and their skating way too seriously with trick do’s and donts lists. For a bigger guy it makes every flat bar slide the same, board slides on coping are way more fun too.
I’ve been told I’m cheating, had people look at my board with disgust. I don’t worry about their setups but they seem like they love to judge mine. It’s just a different approach.
Anyways as for rail types, brands use different materials. The harder plastic Santa Cruz, pig, madness uses is faster kind of but less damp so the screws are more likely to come out and rattle and they also wear down much faster than the material welcome, new deal, rad railz, lil jawns, Powell etc use. I also set mine about 1.5-1.75 inches in for maximum combo as the leverage point of your board is where the concave begins.
I used one rail for fun a few times but didn’t see a big change so just went to 2 as I couldn’t do the boardcane without a heel side rail.
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Thank you, this is some choice information. I just got some slightly longer screws for my New Deal rails (they're very shallowly routed and popped off too easily on the last board I tried them on) and I am going to put them on my current whip and wasn't quite sure how far I wanted to put them in.

Big Shalom to everyone who has posted in here thus far as well.

TREX super glue tape is thin tape that will hold the rails down along with the screws. i also predrill my holes just to get them started. i measured 1/3" on a drill bit and wrapped electrical tape around the bit so i wont go too far into the deck. hope it helps. happy shredding!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Roisto on October 16, 2021, 09:17:29 PM
I’ve only used Pig rails but also have Powell ones and some Film trucks ones stashed. The Pig rails are a pain to install but doable. I’ve gotten the screws to sink in enough with just a screwdriver but it takes way too much force and effort. Mine have never rattled or become loose though. Would like to make it a bit easier to install them. Thinking of maybe trying drilling a small pilot hole first if I can get a drill somewhere. &#129300;

Slappy boardslides on double sided curbs are one of my favorite tricks and I really like the more consistent slide the rails give you. You don’t have to cake the curb with wax to be sure it won’t randomly stick at some point. I also usually install mine wide enough that the graphic still gets scratched. It feels really stable for boardslides. Maybe I could put them in a bit more for board to hurricanes or some other combos. Might try that next summer when the curb sessions are back on and my wrist is healed.

Some time ago I came across rails made of old snowboards on Instagram. That seemed like an interesting idea. Couldn’t find them now that I tried to google it. Anyone have any idea what those are?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 17, 2021, 07:37:22 AM
The SC HSR arrived today. Hollow undersides...not sure why...they're stiffer than the regular slimline rails (and the heroin glowsticks), and feel more plasticy.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0EXD21J_IjHs123MAfGPHKNyRSEh42haQkNLKAfNhVAS-wN34KOP6alw4e7LYrZ-J3iSt1d0weXli6Vj3SYn9mVwI-mTle4WQekv7gyyHhm5a0HNG-UIORCLDP-wSwxWjQRdvS7FQj4=w2400)

They bevel inwards (taller edge on the outside, lower on the inside)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KkFRx3aXOp2usg1R83kTwKRLfuHEUWEwmmEJnX3wGNgoFMxotKFT3O5YUqoIfCU_j36_Zmy-pZYBn2ciBxPB9IAenYLjo5E6ECWYAOueGpr4n6CDf8uSg-Rpr1F_MA3WkWeSdXOwo3M=w2400)

I'll report back when I get a chance to put them through their paces.

How much do they weigh? The original sc slimline weighed 130grams, powell rib bones are the lightest at 70grams.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: GBLange on October 17, 2021, 07:45:25 AM
if only Powell provide the rat nuts with the rails like they used to.. those were cool..
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 17, 2021, 07:46:40 AM
who sells rails with only 4 holes? i know Lil Jawns does but anyone know of anyone else?

Slappyhour and bevup rails has only 4 holes.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: GBLange on October 19, 2021, 09:46:45 PM
Riff Raff rails has 4 holes as well.

(https://i.ibb.co/9hswhM7/Screenshot-2021-10-20-12-46-21-271-com-instagram-android.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9hswhM7)
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: GBLange on October 19, 2021, 10:09:30 PM
they hv some cool rail shapes..

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CU6hTppl8S3/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Fhk on October 26, 2021, 04:40:36 PM
I had a deck on ice that I already put rails on, I took them off to give to someone that wanted to try them. Now It's time to skate it and I'm left with empty screw holes. I don't know if I can skate it that way without having a panic attack. What the fuck do you do in this situation?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on October 26, 2021, 04:59:31 PM
I had a deck on ice that I already put rails on, I took them off to give to someone that wanted to try them. Now It's time to skate it and I'm left with empty screw holes. I don't know if I can skate it that way without having a panic attack. What the fuck do you do in this situation?
drill even more holes in it so it's guaranteed to break and you look tough.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Fhk on October 26, 2021, 05:20:54 PM
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I had a deck on ice that I already put rails on, I took them off to give to someone that wanted to try them. Now It's time to skate it and I'm left with empty screw holes. I don't know if I can skate it that way without having a panic attack. What the fuck do you do in this situation?
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drill even more holes in it so it's guaranteed to break and you look tough.
Good idea but I only skate by myself so nobody will think I'm tough.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Chavo on October 26, 2021, 05:51:27 PM
Just put some Rib-Bones on a new deck. The holes are just big enough for the screw so I would clean them out with a file or razor blade. The screws are also on the long side. You can see bumps on the top of the deck (I didn't even crank them down all the way).
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on October 27, 2021, 05:11:10 AM
ended up getting some Slappy Hour Swizzle Stixx due to the 13.5" length and me pretty strictly being on 14" WB now
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 27, 2021, 08:37:09 AM
the video has lil jawn 4 hole rails. also everyone that likes lightweight 13.5" 4 hole slim rails message @liljawns on insta and let him know we want a production model.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 27, 2021, 08:48:07 AM
No one asked, but I mentioned before that I use tape to keep the rails tight and the rattling down. This is the tape. Works great, and a little goes a long way. You may need a hairdryer or heatgun to remove them.

3M Super Strength Molding Tape, 03609, 1/2 in x 5 ft https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BO913C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XY0BGGYVAB5N594AQ1Y4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on October 28, 2021, 02:41:36 AM
the video has lil jawn 4 hole rails. also everyone that likes lightweight 13.5" 4 hole slim rails message @liljawns on insta and let him know we want a production model.

already on it  :P
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 28, 2021, 07:11:06 AM
I had a deck on ice that I already put rails on, I took them off to give to someone that wanted to try them. Now It's time to skate it and I'm left with empty screw holes. I don't know if I can skate it that way without having a panic attack. What the fuck do you do in this situation?

Lots of board and lip slides to scuff them into invisibility.  Or just get more rails and position them so the rails cover the old holes but place the screws in fresh holes.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 28, 2021, 07:40:19 AM
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I had a deck on ice that I already put rails on, I took them off to give to someone that wanted to try them. Now It's time to skate it and I'm left with empty screw holes. I don't know if I can skate it that way without having a panic attack. What the fuck do you do in this situation?
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Lots of board and lip slides to scuff them into invisibility.  Or just get more rails and position them so the rails cover the old holes but place the screws in fresh holes.

Wish I had pics still but on a brown bomber I filled the holes in with wood glue and sanded them. Used a furniture touch up pen around the edges. Looked ok.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 28, 2021, 07:44:53 AM
No one asked, but I mentioned before that I use tape to keep the rails tight and the rattling down. This is the tape. Works great, and a little goes a long way. You may need a hairdryer or heatgun to remove them.

3M Super Strength Molding Tape, 03609, 1/2 in x 5 ft https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BO913C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XY0BGGYVAB5N594AQ1Y4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

that stuff is too thick, try trex super glue tape, works much better.

https://www.amazon.com/T-Rex-Double-Sided-Super-Inches/dp/B07YVMH9R7
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 28, 2021, 07:51:32 AM
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No one asked, but I mentioned before that I use tape to keep the rails tight and the rattling down. This is the tape. Works great, and a little goes a long way. You may need a hairdryer or heatgun to remove them.

3M Super Strength Molding Tape, 03609, 1/2 in x 5 ft https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BO913C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XY0BGGYVAB5N594AQ1Y4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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that stuff is too thick, try trex super glue tape, works much better.

https://www.amazon.com/T-Rex-Double-Sided-Super-Inches/dp/B07YVMH9R7

That stuff looks wider than an average rail. Do you have to cut it to size? The good thing about the 3M tape is that it's already the correct width, and I didn't find the thickness to be a problem once the rail was installed.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 30, 2021, 06:58:51 AM
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No one asked, but I mentioned before that I use tape to keep the rails tight and the rattling down. This is the tape. Works great, and a little goes a long way. You may need a hairdryer or heatgun to remove them.

3M Super Strength Molding Tape, 03609, 1/2 in x 5 ft https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BO913C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XY0BGGYVAB5N594AQ1Y4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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that stuff is too thick, try trex super glue tape, works much better.

https://www.amazon.com/T-Rex-Double-Sided-Super-Inches/dp/B07YVMH9R7
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That stuff looks wider than an average rail. Do you have to cut it to size? The good thing about the 3M tape is that it's already the correct width, and I didn't find the thickness to be a problem once the rail was installed.

I just cut the size width of the rail im using. You just need a little strip between each screw hole.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2021, 07:19:59 PM
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No one asked, but I mentioned before that I use tape to keep the rails tight and the rattling down. This is the tape. Works great, and a little goes a long way. You may need a hairdryer or heatgun to remove them.

3M Super Strength Molding Tape, 03609, 1/2 in x 5 ft https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BO913C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XY0BGGYVAB5N594AQ1Y4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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that stuff is too thick, try trex super glue tape, works much better.

https://www.amazon.com/T-Rex-Double-Sided-Super-Inches/dp/B07YVMH9R7
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That stuff looks wider than an average rail. Do you have to cut it to size? The good thing about the 3M tape is that it's already the correct width, and I didn't find the thickness to be a problem once the rail was installed.
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I just cut the size width of the rail im using. You just need a little strip between each screw hole.

I've used the thinnest 3m stuff I can find, run it the length of the rail, press into place, screw, trim the tape.

I keep telling my buddy to do this, dude's board is like a coffee can honda with shitty bass rattling his molding.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: manysnakes on November 04, 2021, 07:34:47 PM
Who makes the shortest rails?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on November 05, 2021, 04:22:20 AM
slappy hour swizzle sticks are the shortest i have seen at 13.5"
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: manysnakes on November 05, 2021, 08:06:31 AM
slappy hour swizzle sticks are the shortest i have seen at 13.5"

Thank you!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Robebabu on January 15, 2022, 01:16:02 PM
Anyone try installing rails on a thinner construction deck like a 5-ply Santa Cruz VX? I originally had planned on using some of the new Santa Cruz HSR rails on mine, but noticed that the included screws would protrude through the top of the deck. I believe these and their regular Slim Line rails are only intended for decks 7-ply or thicker. However, after purchasing some Blue Haven rails for a Dogtown setup, I noticed that their screws do not protrude as much. I will likely order another pair to use on my VX and save the HSR rails for another setup.

Out of the rails I currently have: I would say the NHS brand rails (HSR/Slimline/Juice Bars) are all pretty similar in terms of the plastic used. But one thing I noticed is that the holes are wider on the HSR/Slim Line than on the Juice Bars. This may give the Juice Bars a tighter fit. All appear to use the same pan-head type wood screws, which have pretty coarse threads. But the Slim Line/HSR have a pocket underneath the holes to accommodate wood shavings, while the Juice Bars do not. This is just on the rails I have. Not sure if they have changed production on anything.

The Dogtown Blue Haven rails are thinner, have tighter holes like the Juice Bars, and come with shorter countersunk screws with finer threads. They appear to use better material than NHS, possibly HDPE. My only concern is the smaller screws might pull out more easily. I've considered using sex bolts, but this involves drilling larger holes, and I would probably only use them if included. For example, if I were to install skid plates.

Whichever rails I decide to use on their respective decks, my plan is to drill very small pilot holes to reduce wood shaving displacement and ease installation, double-sided tape to reduce rattle, and possibly a dab of wood glue in the holes to help lock in the screws. Once I get it all done and do some skating, I'll report back with my results.

Other rails I have been looking at are: Riff Raff, Rad Railz, Lil Jawns.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2022, 01:33:27 PM
Anyone try installing rails on a thinner construction deck like a 5-ply Santa Cruz VX? I originally had planned on using some of the new Santa Cruz HSR rails on mine, but noticed that the included screws would protrude through the top of the deck. I believe these and their regular Slim Line rails are only intended for decks 7-ply or thicker. However, after purchasing some Blue Haven rails for a Dogtown setup, I noticed that their screws do not protrude as much. I will likely order another pair to use on my VX and save the HSR rails for another setup.

Out of the rails I currently have: I would say the NHS brand rails (HSR/Slimline/Juice Bars) are all pretty similar in terms of the plastic used. But one thing I noticed is that the holes are wider on the HSR/Slim Line than on the Juice Bars. This may give the Juice Bars a tighter fit. All appear to use the same pan-head type wood screws, which have pretty coarse threads. But the Slim Line/HSR have a pocket underneath the holes to accommodate wood shavings, while the Juice Bars do not. This is just on the rails I have. Not sure if they have changed production on anything.

The Dogtown Blue Haven rails are thinner, have tighter holes like the Juice Bars, and come with shorter countersunk screws with finer threads. They appear to use better material than NHS, possibly HDPE. My only concern is the smaller screws might pull out more easily. I've considered using sex bolts, but this involves drilling larger holes, and I would probably only use them if included. For example, if I were to install skid plates.

Whichever rails I decide to use on their respective decks, my plan is to drill very small pilot holes to reduce wood shaving displacement and ease installation, double-sided tape to reduce rattle, and possibly a dab of wood glue in the holes to help lock in the screws. Once I get it all done and do some skating, I'll report back with my results.

Other rails I have been looking at are: Riff Raff, Rad Railz, Lil Jawns.

Heroin rails are really really good.

I've had a few sets of the SC branded rails and the screws were different a few times, same model rail; I think there might have been a hardware switch as some point; the fatter screws suck (they also have wide threads) and I had a harder time with them getting the rails flush.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Robebabu on January 15, 2022, 01:45:11 PM
Heroin rails are really really good.

On first look, they appear to be exactly like Dogtown rails, but a little more expensive. I'll be sure to check them out next time I'm at the skateshop, but I'm not sure I'm down for glow-in-the-dark rails, lol. Thanks for the suggestion!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2022, 05:09:15 PM
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Heroin rails are really really good.
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On first look, they appear to be exactly like Dogtown rails, but a little more expensive. I'll be sure to check them out next time I'm at the skateshop, but I'm not sure I'm down for glow-in-the-dark rails, lol. Thanks for the suggestion!

They're a bit lower and more rounded edged than the slimlines; they also come with better screws (thinner thread, flatter head).
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Prostate Exam on February 08, 2022, 05:27:45 AM
Does anybody know a solution to this problem? I even used superglue this time to make the rail tick to the board better. But it still keeps happening.

(https://i.ibb.co/LPV6v1N/2-AC15900-6-DA0-4942-AADA-EA53-CED1357-D.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: roba on February 08, 2022, 06:25:17 AM
Does anybody know a solution to this problem? I even used superglue this time to make the rail tick to the board better. But it still keeps happening.

(https://i.ibb.co/LPV6v1N/2-AC15900-6-DA0-4942-AADA-EA53-CED1357-D.jpg)

this used to happen to me when i skated with a rail. i don't know how to write it correctly but basically the wood around the screw hole tends to shape up like a volcano? i know this sounds stupid as fuck but english isn't my first language and i don't really know how to say it in other words, but i think that's the reason why the rail doesn't align with the board.

my solution was to take a razor or a thin knife and try to clean that space up and then tighten the screws. sometimes it did nothing though and i just forced the screws into there.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: disclosed on February 08, 2022, 07:29:42 AM
this happened to me every  time i used hard plastic molded rails. never happened with Bones rails. (onyone know why?)
last time i unscrewed it and just sanded the holes down and screwed it in again. that solved the problem for me.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on February 08, 2022, 10:22:42 AM


my solution was to take a razor or a thin knife and try to clean that space up and then tighten the screws. sometimes it did nothing though and i just forced the screws into there.

I usually just crank it down, but predrilling alleviates some of this with smaller pilot holes.

The wood volcano is pretty apt and is the cause, top layer of wood getting gnurled up (this is also why people cocuntersink wood screws). I'm sure some woodworker out there knows the correct term..where's is Ben when you need him?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 08, 2022, 11:36:04 AM
Does anybody know a solution to this problem? I even used superglue this time to make the rail tick to the board better. But it still keeps happening.

(https://i.ibb.co/LPV6v1N/2-AC15900-6-DA0-4942-AADA-EA53-CED1357-D.jpg)

I used to have this happen a lot.

1. Always start at one end and put the screws in going down the rail. When I've started in the middle or anything like that it always bumps up, but going down always helps. I also like to use a ratcheting screwdriver, since it makes it way easier to keep the pressure on and also feel when you're as deep as you can go.

2. get some 1/4" (or 1/2" or metric equivalent depending on your rails) double sided foam tape front he hardware store and use that on the back of your rail. Film and Welcome rails come with it on there already, but it does a great job of making sure the surface is even with your deck and makes mounting way easier.

Hopefully both or either of those things help!
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Prostate Exam on February 08, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
Thanks everyone. Next setup I will nerd out when I apply my rails and use your techniques
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Sedition on February 08, 2022, 02:09:56 PM
Does anybody know a solution to this problem? I even used superglue this time to make the rail tick to the board better. But it still keeps happening.

(https://i.ibb.co/LPV6v1N/2-AC15900-6-DA0-4942-AADA-EA53-CED1357-D.jpg)

Put wood screws about 2/3 of way in. All of them. Then unscrew rail / take it off. Get a piece of grip tape or sandpaper, and sand down those shavings. Then put rails back on, screwing down screws all the way. It will now sit flush.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on February 08, 2022, 02:11:20 PM
+1 for the doubled sided tape (go thin); it really helps with the inevitable rattles that will happen.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BL0B on February 08, 2022, 09:35:10 PM
is it the screw threads keeping the rail up? i had that happen forvever ago, haven't used rails in years.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: ToshiroTownune on February 09, 2022, 07:59:20 AM
Anyone try the moth jawns with the rounded edge on one side for improved hurricane/feeble maneuvering? Got a set I’m about to put on.

https://www.liljawnsrails.com/product-page/moth-jawns

@xen are heroins your go to now over sc hsr slimline?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2022, 08:53:22 AM
Anyone try the moth jawns with the rounded edge on one side for improved hurricane/feeble maneuvering? Got a set I’m about to put on.

https://www.liljawnsrails.com/product-page/moth-jawns

@Xen are heroins your go to now over sc hsr slimline?

@ToshiroTownune

I still use both, but prefer the slimline HSRs. They slide faster (they're harder) and have that angled surface to compensate for concave creating a flat 'slide plane' no matter how close or apart the rails are, really smart design; Heroines are are bit lower with more rounded / beveled edges...I think they might be lighter? Heroin comes with better screws.

Slimline better for grabbing, if you do that.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrontsideFrank on February 09, 2022, 09:12:54 AM
Anyone try the moth jawns with the rounded edge on one side for improved hurricane/feeble maneuvering? Got a set I’m about to put on.

https://www.liljawnsrails.com/product-page/moth-jawns

@xen are heroins your go to now over sc hsr slimline?

Never tried the moth shape, but rock the standards constantly. If you end up liking his round bevel, the standards have the same one (just on both sides) and are a bit cheaper.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2022, 01:52:34 PM
Truth be told, if more brands, even those with existing slicks, made more 8.25/8.125 slicks I’d skip rails.

Madness is the worst with their slick centers OR slick nose and tails…ffs.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 17, 2022, 12:07:31 PM
New Deal rails are back

https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/new-deal-rails-white/

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/New-Deal-Rails.jpg)

4 holes and a rounded surface instead of flat. I'm tempted to try these out.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 17, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
New Deal rails are back

https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/new-deal-rails-white/

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/New-Deal-Rails.jpg)

4 holes and a rounded surface instead of flat. I'm tempted to try these out.

They're awesome rails, but one big caveat: the screws that come with them are way too short and stubby. I ended up getting some #8x.5" wood screws (pretty sure it was that size) and used those instead.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on February 17, 2022, 12:37:24 PM
Edit - YOLO ordered some black New Deal rails.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 22, 2022, 03:02:46 AM
Is there anything great or terrible about the creature serrated rails? (Edit: Or the glow in the dark ones)
My local only got these and pig rails (in bad colors), which were terrible to set up in the past.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: The real veganshawn on February 22, 2022, 03:45:14 AM
Slappy Hour rails are my jam, 13.5 in so no rail wheel bite
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Prostate Exam on February 22, 2022, 03:45:52 AM
Is there anything great or terrible about the creature serrated rails? (Edit: Or the glow in the dark ones)
My local only got these and pig rails (in bad colors), which were terrible to set up in the past.

I really like the glow in the dark creature rails, but not the serrated ones. I heard the break pretty quick and are just all around bad quality
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 22, 2022, 04:08:32 AM
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Is there anything great or terrible about the creature serrated rails? (Edit: Or the glow in the dark ones)
My local only got these and pig rails (in bad colors), which were terrible to set up in the past.
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I really like the glow in the dark creature rails, but not the serrated ones. I heard the break pretty quick and are just all around bad quality

Thanks! Got the glowing ones
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: mj23 on February 22, 2022, 07:20:13 AM
Hadn’t checked this thread in a while because I had a good run of setups with rails installed effectively, no rattle, no issues getting yanked out etc. Madness defeated!

 Then I set up a new board with some Pig rails that have really been pissing me off. Not my first time using Pigs but definitely my worst experience so far.

Here’s where I went wrong, so you all can learn from my mistakes.

1. I usually drill a tiny starter hole before putting the screws in. This time I skipped that, and went straight for the screwing. I used a drill. Screws went like 2/3 of the way in and then started stripping like hell. Screw heads still weren’t flush even with the rail so I new they would get fucked up really quickly if I tried to skate em.

2. I put a tiny strip of tape under the rails to hold em in place, which is a new move for me. It succeeded in holding the rails in place while I put the screws in, which is nice because it removes some guesswork on positioning. Rials don’t slide around while you work on em, etc. This is probably fine to do and I might do it again in the future. But I would probably still drill starter holes anyway. And in the past I’ve used glue. It requires letting it dry a bit but I think it might be my preferred method.

3. I went and bought #6 wood screws 1/2” long, to replace the shitty Pig screws.

4. Removed old screws, and filled in holes with wood glue so that hopefully I could re-use the holes

5. Replaced old screws with the new ones. They went down flush very easily. Did it by hand to avoid stripping em out again. No drill this time. Unfortunately one or two of the holes were still too big or not glued enough or SOMETHING because the new screws still didn’t quite grip enough to get the rail on super tight.

So in conclusion 3 of the 4 screws on each rail are in nice and solid, 1 of the screws on each rail is a bit fucked. Maybe if I had used slightly thicker screws it would have worked better. In the future I’m just gonna try to buy rails that actually come with decent screws in the first place. And drill the starter holes. And screw the rails in by hand after that.

So now I’m just gonna cut my losses and start skating the thing now because I’m annoyed by fucking around with it. If the rails come out I’ll just shift the rails over half an inch or so and start over with new holes.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Roisto on February 22, 2022, 02:16:34 PM
Always screw by hand. Maple is hard as fuck so you have to go slow and put a lot of pressure on it. Much easier to do by hand. I don’t have any power tools so I’ve never had ant problems with Pig rails. They have always required a lot of force to screw down but not once have they become loose or anything other problems like that.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrontsideFrank on February 22, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
Hadn’t checked this thread in a while because I had a good run of setups with rails installed effectively, no rattle, no issues getting yanked out etc. Madness defeated!

 Then I set up a new board with some Pig rails that have really been pissing me off. Not my first time using Pigs but definitely my worst experience so far.

Here’s where I went wrong, so you all can learn from my mistakes.

1. I usually drill a tiny starter hole before putting the screws in. This time I skipped that, and went straight for the screwing. I used a drill. Screws went like 2/3 of the way in and then started stripping like hell. Screw heads still weren’t flush even with the rail so I new they would get fucked up really quickly if I tried to skate em.

2. I put a tiny strip of tape under the rails to hold em in place, which is a new move for me. It succeeded in holding the rails in place while I put the screws in, which is nice because it removes some guesswork on positioning. Rials don’t slide around while you work on em, etc. This is probably fine to do and I might do it again in the future. But I would probably still drill starter holes anyway. And in the past I’ve used glue. It requires letting it dry a bit but I think it might be my preferred method.

3. I went and bought #6 wood screws 1/2” long, to replace the shitty Pig screws.

4. Removed old screws, and filled in holes with wood glue so that hopefully I could re-use the holes

5. Replaced old screws with the new ones. They went down flush very easily. Did it by hand to avoid stripping em out again. No drill this time. Unfortunately one or two of the holes were still too big or not glued enough or SOMETHING because the new screws still didn’t quite grip enough to get the rail on super tight.

So in conclusion 3 of the 4 screws on each rail are in nice and solid, 1 of the screws on each rail is a bit fucked. Maybe if I had used slightly thicker screws it would have worked better. In the future I’m just gonna try to buy rails that actually come with decent screws in the first place. And drill the starter holes. And screw the rails in by hand after that.

So now I’m just gonna cut my losses and start skating the thing now because I’m annoyed by fucking around with it. If the rails come out I’ll just shift the rails over half an inch or so and start over with new holes.

The couple sets of pig rails I've tried gave me nothing but problems on install, as well. Here's a couple points worth expanding on from my experience with them (and as a capenter).

1. Had the exact same stripping problem when the screws got in about 1/2 way and it was caused by the rail itself (with my set). The holes weren't molded wide enough to let the screws seat all the way down. They just got pinched part way in and stripped the wood out because of it. I used a drill to widen the holes. Gotta be careful doing that though. Once the drill bit catches the plastic it will pull through real fast.

2. I'm a fan of the tape method, myself. I put a sliver of double sided carpet tape (cheap and easy to find at any lowes/home depot) between each mounting hole. It's strong enough to hold everything in place while positioning/installing and to prevent rattling after, but still allows rails to be removed and reused (if they outlast the deck).

4. Glue works good if you're just trying to keep a screw in place with a stripped hole. Fill the hole with glue then put the screw in to dry in place. If you want to "heal" the stripped hole you need to put more wood in there to take up the space created by the stripping. Easiest way is to tap in a couple wood slivers/shavings. I'll shave off a little bit of scrap wood with a knife or break a couple pieces off of a toothpick (whichever is easiest to get ahold of at the time) then press them in with anything rigid that will work (nail set, screwdriver, Allen key, etc.).
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 23, 2022, 03:58:03 AM
I have very little experience with rails, only shortly used the pig rails mentioned before.
Got the creature ones in front of me and can't tell if there is a right and wrong way to place them.
The pig rails had two very differently shaped sides, the creature ones seem pretty symmetric but there might be the tiniest difference or I'm just going crazy
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Prostate Exam on February 23, 2022, 05:38:40 AM
Always screw by hand. Maple is hard as fuck so you have to go slow and put a lot of pressure on it. Much easier to do by hand. I don’t have any power tools so I’ve never had ant problems with Pig rails. They have always required a lot of force to screw down but not once have they become loose or anything other problems like that.

Whenever I applied my rails without any powertools they started rattling right off the bat. So I go with a power drill now, but I screw them in at very low speed.
I need to start predrilling now though and use double sided tape. Has any one ever tried the rails where you drill through the whole board, I dont know what they are called, but they seemed to be used by old vert pros.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: manysnakes on February 23, 2022, 05:57:35 AM
Pre-drilling is everything when it comes to woodworking. Always pre-drill, just a little pinprick hole is all that's needed.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: GBLange on February 23, 2022, 08:23:58 AM
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Always screw by hand. Maple is hard as fuck so you have to go slow and put a lot of pressure on it. Much easier to do by hand. I don’t have any power tools so I’ve never had ant problems with Pig rails. They have always required a lot of force to screw down but not once have they become loose or anything other problems like that.
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Whenever I applied my rails without any powertools they started rattling right off the bat. So I go with a power drill now, but I screw them in at very low speed.
I need to start predrilling now though and use double sided tape. Has any one ever tried the rails where you drill through the whole board, I dont know what they are called, but they seemed to be used by old vert pros.

powell rat nuts?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2022, 08:02:31 PM
Pre-drilling is everything when it comes to woodworking. Always pre-drill, just a little pinprick hole is all that's needed.

For rails I always pre-drill, start with a drill, low torque, finish 50% by hand.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: kevs.clips on February 24, 2022, 08:25:07 PM
I've been making my own rails lately out of UHMW bars lately. Since shipping is so expensive from the states to Canada it's a lot cheaper to make these than order Lil Jawnz (although I've bought a couple of pairs from him and they're well worth the money). They last forever (some homie I skate with has had the same set he made years ago for almost a decade) and only take about a half-hour to make.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/jig-and-fixture-parts/32045-uhmw-polyethylene?item=46J9015

With the 3/8x3/4x48 bar you can get 2 and a half sets out of them. I just cut them out with a hack saw, drill/countersink them and round the edges off with a bit of sandpaper.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q80ws4N.jpg)

They're a little wider than regular rails at 3/4" wide but they feel really good. They're a lot more predictable than Pig rails which I find super icy feeling, and last way longer than any other rails other than Jawnz. If you had better tools you could probably easily shape them to any dimensions/shape you'd like but for me just cutting them and rounding them off slightly does the trick.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 25, 2022, 07:57:13 AM
I've been making my own rails lately out of UHMW bars lately. Since shipping is so expensive from the states to Canada it's a lot cheaper to make these than order Lil Jawnz (although I've bought a couple of pairs from him and they're well worth the money). They last forever (some homie I skate with has had the same set he made years ago for almost a decade) and only take about a half-hour to make.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/jig-and-fixture-parts/32045-uhmw-polyethylene?item=46J9015

With the 3/8x3/4x48 bar you can get 2 and a half sets out of them. I just cut them out with a hack saw, drill/countersink them and round the edges off with a bit of sandpaper.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q80ws4N.jpg)

They're a little wider than regular rails at 3/4" wide but they feel really good. They're a lot more predictable than Pig rails which I find super icy feeling, and last way longer than any other rails other than Jawnz. If you had better tools you could probably easily shape them to any dimensions/shape you'd like but for me just cutting them and rounding them off slightly does the trick.

So cool. I can't even tell you how much I love seeing stuff like this here.

What size and bit type(s) are you using to drill/countersink?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on February 25, 2022, 08:06:47 AM
Wish I could gnar twice, rad stuff

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: kevs.clips on February 27, 2022, 09:39:02 PM
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I've been making my own rails lately out of UHMW bars lately. Since shipping is so expensive from the states to Canada it's a lot cheaper to make these than order Lil Jawnz (although I've bought a couple of pairs from him and they're well worth the money). They last forever (some homie I skate with has had the same set he made years ago for almost a decade) and only take about a half-hour to make.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/jig-and-fixture-parts/32045-uhmw-polyethylene?item=46J9015

With the 3/8x3/4x48 bar you can get 2 and a half sets out of them. I just cut them out with a hack saw, drill/countersink them and round the edges off with a bit of sandpaper.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q80ws4N.jpg)

They're a little wider than regular rails at 3/4" wide but they feel really good. They're a lot more predictable than Pig rails which I find super icy feeling, and last way longer than any other rails other than Jawnz. If you had better tools you could probably easily shape them to any dimensions/shape you'd like but for me just cutting them and rounding them off slightly does the trick.
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So cool. I can't even tell you how much I love seeing stuff like this here.

What size and bit type(s) are you using to drill/countersink?

Hey, thanks so much! I use a 1/8th drill bit for the holes then I use one of these countersink bits I found on Amazon to countersink them.

https://www.amazon.ca/Countersink-Carpentry-Woodworking-Individually-Packaging/dp/B08JLQNSNB/ref=Oct_m_oup_7205612011?pd_rd_i=B08JLQNSNB&pd_rd_r=a4c569fe-9a84-4e63-b342-a2b67e6340e3&pd_rd_w=Ckf0m&pd_rd_wg=ILcrK&pf_rd_p=5d800131-57e9-476f-8b50-255dad2628a4&pf_rd_r=9YXHHNXNXF10C7ESNAFQ
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Landmine on February 28, 2022, 01:07:58 PM
On a similar note I use a self-centering bit with the rail taped in place.  I picked up a couple when I had to hang a bunch of doors and now I look for any excuse to use one again, I love em so much.

https://www.mcfeelys.com/snappy-5-64-in-self-centering-hinge-bit-set.html
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Watson on February 28, 2022, 03:33:00 PM
First time in this thread, but wanted to share my rail mounting routine. I ride Pig Rails because we always have them at the shop and they slide good but the reason they always crawl up the screws when putting them on is that they don't make the hole through the rail big enough for the provided screws.

So before I put them on, I use a 1/4 drill bit and drill it through the bottom hole, then use a bigger drill bit (not sure exact size) and ream out the hole on top so it countersinks better. Sounds like lots of work but takes two seconds. Works perfect, my rails lay flat and don't rattle. The other week one of my screws even fell out of my rail and it's still staying flat without rattling thanks to the tape.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 01, 2022, 01:03:17 PM
Question for all you toe side rail riders: do you have issues with frontside boardslides? It makes sense to me for bs boardslides and feeble/smiths, but then for fs boardslides it seems like having that dragging rail would be an issue or feel awkward.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: mj23 on March 09, 2022, 01:25:26 PM
Question for all you toe side rail riders: do you have issues with frontside boardslides? It makes sense to me for bs boardslides and feeble/smiths, but then for fs boardslides it seems like having that dragging rail would be an issue or feel awkward.
i havent had a problem. just need to stay aware of the fact that the board can shoot out in front of you more easily if youre leaned too far back over that toeside rail. to be honest this is the first time i've realized that it could be a problem, hope it doesn't fuck with my head now lol
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 19, 2022, 04:32:58 PM
Does anyone sell single rails instead of pairs?

Also, any guidance for rails on eggs? Do you try to bend the rail a bit? How far in do you screw the rail?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: disclosed on March 21, 2022, 11:09:32 AM
Does anyone sell single rails instead of pairs?

Also, any guidance for rails on eggs? Do you try to bend the rail a bit? How far in do you screw the rail?

Welcome, Enjoi, OJ, and probably some more sell single rails.
but honestly if you buy a set you can just save the other one for later when you only skate one rail.

i wouln't bend rails on an egg. only times i've bend rails was on very tapered fish shapes.
and you should know when the screws are in all the way, they will hit a dead stop you shoulnt force beyond.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 21, 2022, 11:56:40 AM
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Does anyone sell single rails instead of pairs?

Also, any guidance for rails on eggs? Do you try to bend the rail a bit? How far in do you screw the rail?
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Welcome, Enjoi, OJ, and probably some more sell single rails.
but honestly if you buy a set you can just save the other one for later when you only skate one rail.

i wouln't bend rails on an egg. only times i've bend rails was on very tapered fish shapes.
and you should know when the screws are in all the way, they will hit a dead stop you shoulnt force beyond.

Should've been clearer, how far in from edge of the board do you place the rail, not how deep into the deck do the screws go. I'm sure it depends on the board and the concave though, I should be able to figure it out when my huffer arrives, especially if I'm running a single rail.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: disclosed on March 21, 2022, 12:16:54 PM
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Does anyone sell single rails instead of pairs?

Also, any guidance for rails on eggs? Do you try to bend the rail a bit? How far in do you screw the rail?
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Welcome, Enjoi, OJ, and probably some more sell single rails.
but honestly if you buy a set you can just save the other one for later when you only skate one rail.

i wouln't bend rails on an egg. only times i've bend rails was on very tapered fish shapes.
and you should know when the screws are in all the way, they will hit a dead stop you shoulnt force beyond.
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Should've been clearer, how far in from edge of the board do you place the rail, not how deep into the deck do the screws go. I'm sure it depends on the board and the concave though, I should be able to figure it out when my huffer arrives, especially if I'm running a single rail.

haha. that makes more sense.
what i do with single rail is hold it against a flat edge like a ruler or table and see when its at an angle where it clears the middle of the board so the only point of contact is the rail and the start of the concave on the other side.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 21, 2022, 12:43:07 PM
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Does anyone sell single rails instead of pairs?

Also, any guidance for rails on eggs? Do you try to bend the rail a bit? How far in do you screw the rail?
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Welcome, Enjoi, OJ, and probably some more sell single rails.
but honestly if you buy a set you can just save the other one for later when you only skate one rail.

i wouln't bend rails on an egg. only times i've bend rails was on very tapered fish shapes.
and you should know when the screws are in all the way, they will hit a dead stop you shoulnt force beyond.
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Should've been clearer, how far in from edge of the board do you place the rail, not how deep into the deck do the screws go. I'm sure it depends on the board and the concave though, I should be able to figure it out when my huffer arrives, especially if I'm running a single rail.
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haha. that makes more sense.
what i do with single rail is hold it against a flat edge like a ruler or table and see when its at an angle where it clears the middle of the board so the only point of contact is the rail and the start of the concave on the other side.

Good tip, thanks. Ended up just grabbing a pair of pig rails from the local, had them on discount too.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 06, 2022, 06:55:08 PM
Update: I'm a full on single toe side rail guy now. any park rail just goes now, don't have to worry about sticking. Definitely worthwhile in my opinion...
(https://i.imgur.com/U0kE3PC.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/DzZd0hp.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: modern life is war on November 28, 2022, 07:26:19 PM
Bump, thanks to the user who directed me to this thread.

Do all you guys who are riding rails primarily just use them for curbs or are many of you using them for bowls? I skate transition 99% of the time. Do you think they are useful for skating pool coping?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on November 28, 2022, 08:21:15 PM
I find rails terrifying when skating transition. They can help on rugged pool coping of course but hell no on smooth pool coping or steel coping. It feels unpredictable just doing a rock to fakie on steel coping.

Curbs and ledges only for the rare occasion I use rails.

But I am old and not into strange new feelings.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on November 28, 2022, 08:25:29 PM
I find rails terrifying when skating transition. They can help on rugged pool coping of course but hell no on smooth pool coping or steel coping. It feels unpredictable just doing a rock to fakie on steel coping.

Curbs and ledges only for the rare occasion I use rails.

But I am old and not into strange new feelings.

Second this. Rails on a mini ramp really freak me out, a basic rock and roll or disaster can easily turn into an uncontrolled slide. Now some people have really great control/balance and want that, but for me they're strictly for curbs or flatbars.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: 144p on November 28, 2022, 09:04:29 PM
I’m gonna counter the transition fear by saying it helps make a board slide to fakie/lip slide/fakie hang up slide about 10 times farther with no chance of sticking.

Also on disasters, if you are lazy and lean one way or another it makes it tricky but it teaches you to properly pop the trick and stay over your board. If you push your board up there and have a tendency to lean forward on back d’s you will have to spend some time re learning them.

Also smith grinds are much easier, yes it’s a cheat code but I’ll take it.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: greenbeans on November 28, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Rib bones are my go to.

The enjoi middle finger rail looks tight
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: modern life is war on November 28, 2022, 09:51:17 PM
I’m gonna counter the transition fear by saying it helps make a board slide to fakie/lip slide/fakie hang up slide about 10 times farther with no chance of sticking.

Also on disasters, if you are lazy and lean one way or another it makes it tricky but it teaches you to properly pop the trick and stay over your board. If you push your board up there and have a tendency to lean forward on back d’s you will have to spend some time re learning them.

Also smith grinds are much easier, yes it’s a cheat code but I’ll take it.

Out of all these tricks smith grinds are the only ones i do regularly, does it make a big difference or just a small difference?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: 144p on November 29, 2022, 07:05:31 AM
For me, yes. If it’s a big coping qp I might grind a foot vs 2 inches. For someone skilled it becomes much farther. On ledges smiths/feebles are much easier as well.

Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: El Chupacabra on November 29, 2022, 07:11:47 AM
I’ve been 3D printing some rails and risers and casting them in urethane. Fun little side project. I can control the DU of the castings too. Hopefully will have some field tests soon.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: 144p on November 29, 2022, 08:45:50 AM
Damn that’s cool. How slick is the material? In my head urethane is grippy but I am not familiar with the different materials.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on November 29, 2022, 09:12:54 AM
I’m gonna counter the transition fear by saying it helps make a board slide to fakie/lip slide/fakie hang up slide about 10 times farther with no chance of sticking.

Also on disasters, if you are lazy and lean one way or another it makes it tricky but it teaches you to properly pop the trick and stay over your board. If you push your board up there and have a tendency to lean forward on back d’s you will have to spend some time re learning them.

Also smith grinds are much easier, yes it’s a cheat code but I’ll take it.

For the record, 144p is the best curb skater i've ever seen and has balance like a young eric dressen.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on November 29, 2022, 09:29:48 AM
been on rails on year, i dont think i can go back without them. i'm a curb/ledge/flat bar skater and it just makes it so much more fun. just ordered some Lil Jawn 'moth' rails, excited to try em out and see if the shape does anything for me on unlocking some new combos easier.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: El Chupacabra on November 29, 2022, 11:57:31 AM
Damn that’s cool. How slick is the material? In my head urethane is grippy but I am not familiar with the different materials.

As slick or as hard as you want it. There are tons of options in casting urethanes. I’ve been tinkering with pivot cups and bushings too but there’s only so much time in the day and the materials are expensive! I usually use leftovers from day job tasks.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Roisto on January 22, 2023, 12:06:07 AM
What are some good thicker rails? I usually have Pig rails as I like how they’re shaped, how they look and they have all sorts of colors available. I also like how they’re a bit shorter so I don’t get wheelbite on the rails. But they’re not all that thick so I’d have to put them in quite a bit to have a better slide. Currently i have some recycled plastic rails that are thick as hell. The board is not even close to touching on boardslides. They seem to wear down super fast though and they didn’t come with screws and I can’t remember where I even got them from. So yeah, looking for better options.

I was also wondering if anyone made rails from PLA or some other biodegradable plastic and how would they perform. I’m not too stoked on the microplastic I’m generating sliding around and would be stoked to have a smaller impact on our environment.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 22, 2023, 12:44:54 AM
My little nostalgia project I’ve been skating lately has me wanting to return to my toe side rail madness.

Skating with a buddy today who rocks two rails, semi teaching me the front slappy to lipslide curb dance. I’m getting into the motions fine enough, but would a slimmer tail help with the teeter totter effect I’m getting?
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Puddy Smally on January 22, 2023, 01:46:59 AM
What are some good thicker rails? I usually have Pig rails as I like how they’re shaped, how they look and they have all sorts of colors available. I also like how they’re a bit shorter so I don’t get wheelbite on the rails. But they’re not all that thick so I’d have to put them in quite a bit to have a better slide. Currently i have some recycled plastic rails that are thick as hell. The board is not even close to touching on boardslides. They seem to wear down super fast though and they didn’t come with screws and I can’t remember where I even got them from. So yeah, looking for better options.

I was also wondering if anyone made rails from PLA or some other biodegradable plastic and how would they perform. I’m not too stoked on the microplastic I’m generating sliding around and would be stoked to have a smaller impact on our environment.

A bit pricier, but Rad Railz does a thicker or “fatter” rail. A good color selection too.

Just don’t expect any emails or shipping notices if you order. For whatever reason I never get notifications when I make a purchase.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: luvs2spooge on January 22, 2023, 04:04:16 AM
New Deal rails are back

https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/new-deal-rails-white/

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/New-Deal-Rails.jpg)

4 holes and a rounded surface instead of flat. I'm tempted to try these out.

they wear out very very fast. and chunk out very easy at the holes
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: 144p on January 22, 2023, 12:36:21 PM
The screws are too short also.
Just get lil jawns. Slide well, last forever, right size.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Roisto on January 22, 2023, 10:01:21 PM
Someone should distribute Lil Jawns in Europe. I’d be interested in trying them out but the shipping is $19.50 for a pair, which is a bit too much. With the shipping & VAT I’d be paying 43.72€ for a set while Pig rails are 12€. The difference is just way too much.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Deadringer on January 23, 2023, 01:33:38 AM
Someone should distribute Lil Jawns in Europe. I’d be interested in trying them out but the shipping is $19.50 for a pair, which is a bit too much. With the shipping & VAT I’d be paying 43.72€ for a set while Pig rails are 12€. The difference is just way too much.

https://www.scouthutskateboards.com/product/lil-jawns-standard-rails
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Roisto on January 23, 2023, 02:14:12 AM
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Someone should distribute Lil Jawns in Europe. I’d be interested in trying them out but the shipping is $19.50 for a pair, which is a bit too much. With the shipping & VAT I’d be paying 43.72€ for a set while Pig rails are 12€. The difference is just way too much.
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https://www.scouthutskateboards.com/product/lil-jawns-standard-rails

Thanks. That’s in the UK though and with Brexit it would likely end up costing about as much as straight from Lil Jawns. Also they don’t deliver to Finland where I am.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on January 23, 2023, 06:27:35 AM
i really hope i can find another set of Slappy Hour rails when mine bite the dust. the 13.5” length is so nice. guess i could shave down some Lil Jawns..
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on January 23, 2023, 07:07:35 AM
You can just message the jawns dude he’ll make you literally anything

Plus his rails last like 6 boards
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Puddy Smally on January 23, 2023, 09:20:48 AM
To all the single rail folks.. without going too far back into the thread, I have a few questions for you.

Heel or toe side on the rail, and do any of you still flip your board? I’m just wondering if the lack of symmetrical weight distribution messes up flip tricks.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 23, 2023, 09:21:51 AM
You can just message the jawns dude he’ll make you literally anything

Plus his rails last like 6 boards

Best rails that I've ever skated by far.  4 holes, 14" so no wheelbite issues, double-sided tape, slide through anything
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on January 23, 2023, 09:25:32 AM
To all the single rail folks.. without going too far back into the thread, I have a few questions for you.

Heel or toe side on the rail, and do any of you still flip your board? I’m just wondering if the lack of symmetrical weight distribution messes up flip tricks.

Toe side. My flip trick bag isn't as deep as it used to be, but the kickflips and heelflips still work with one rail. I never really noticed a difference but maybe it'll take a session to adjust.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on January 23, 2023, 11:10:43 AM
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You can just message the jawns dude he’ll make you literally anything

Plus his rails last like 6 boards
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Best rails that I've ever skated by far.  4 holes, 14" so no wheelbite issues, double-sided tape, slide through anything

same checked boxed as Slappy Hour rails but even shorter to accommodate us 14” WBers
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: baustin on January 23, 2023, 07:00:15 PM
I’ve had a set of powell rib bones on a 13.625 wb deck for weeks and I didn’t even bother to compare rail size vs wb…. Kinda shocked to read through this and learn they are 14.5” but I haven’t really noticed any issues on any tricks so maybe ignorance is bliss as is usually the case
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on January 24, 2023, 03:27:44 AM
I’ve had a set of powell rib bones on a 13.625 wb deck for weeks and I didn’t even bother to compare rail size vs wb…. Kinda shocked to read through this and learn they are 14.5” but I haven’t really noticed any issues on any tricks so maybe ignorance is bliss as is usually the case

probably not something to actually have a 'madness' over. i do like mine set out a little farther than it seems most people do, added with having very loose trucks, i'll take any little thing to not have them catch wheelbite on the rails themselves
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on January 24, 2023, 06:58:37 PM
He’ll make them shorter too my friend has 13” from him on his 13.75 WB
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: GBLange on January 25, 2023, 09:04:23 PM
i've only used bones and creature rails. other brands readily available in my country would be SC and Enjoi and generic shop rails which i've yet to try.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: streetmeat on May 12, 2023, 12:02:08 PM
anyone know the best replacement screws? size? i could probably just take my beat ones to the hardware store and match them but figured id ask
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: disclosed on May 12, 2023, 01:58:48 PM
anyone know the best replacement screws? size? i could probably just take my beat ones to the hardware store and match them but figured id ask

i know it in millimeters.
4x12.
tho i prefer the 3.5x12 cause sometimes the stock ones don't fit properly anymore when the holes get kinda squished from wear. or when you get one of those rails where the screws refuse to fit at all for some reason.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 10, 2023, 05:04:39 AM
What are the thickest rails? My new local mini ramp is so mellow that wheels drag on smith grinds. Currently have those creature glow in the dark rails and they're juuuust not thick enough (10mm) to not make the wheels drag.

Maybe height is the better word? Not sure. I don't mean the width.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Chatbot on July 10, 2023, 05:57:38 AM
What are the thickest rails? My new local mini ramp is so mellow that wheels drag on smith grinds. Currently have those creature glow in the dark rails and they're juuuust not thick enough (10mm) to not make the wheels drag.

Maybe height is the better word? Not sure. I don't mean the width.

OJs are the thickest I've seen but briefly looking at the creature rails online, they look the same. Not sure if there are any thicker options  out there.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 10, 2023, 06:33:54 AM
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What are the thickest rails? My new local mini ramp is so mellow that wheels drag on smith grinds. Currently have those creature glow in the dark rails and they're juuuust not thick enough (10mm) to not make the wheels drag.

Maybe height is the better word? Not sure. I don't mean the width.
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OJs are the thickest I've seen but briefly looking at the creature rails online, they look the same. Not sure if there are any thicker options  out there.
Seems like no company even mentions the thickness. Might be the case that all rails are 10mm thick
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 10, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
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What are the thickest rails? My new local mini ramp is so mellow that wheels drag on smith grinds. Currently have those creature glow in the dark rails and they're juuuust not thick enough (10mm) to not make the wheels drag.

Maybe height is the better word? Not sure. I don't mean the width.
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OJs are the thickest I've seen but briefly looking at the creature rails online, they look the same. Not sure if there are any thicker options  out there.
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Seems like no company even mentions the thickness. Might be the case that all rails are 10mm thick

https://radrailz.bigcartel.com/product/big-radrailz (https://radrailz.bigcartel.com/product/big-radrailz) I had the 3/4" thick ones (19mm). Way too thick for me....
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 10, 2023, 02:18:18 PM
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What are the thickest rails? My new local mini ramp is so mellow that wheels drag on smith grinds. Currently have those creature glow in the dark rails and they're juuuust not thick enough (10mm) to not make the wheels drag.

Maybe height is the better word? Not sure. I don't mean the width.
[close]

OJs are the thickest I've seen but briefly looking at the creature rails online, they look the same. Not sure if there are any thicker options  out there.
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Seems like no company even mentions the thickness. Might be the case that all rails are 10mm thick
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https://radrailz.bigcartel.com/product/big-radrailz (https://radrailz.bigcartel.com/product/big-radrailz) I had the 3/4" thick ones (19mm). Way too thick for me....
Omg these would be it, if the shipping cost to europe wasn't much more than the product itself. Sick that somebody actually makes those
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: animalflesh on July 11, 2023, 11:48:50 AM
Rib bones are taller, I only use rib bones personally
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 25, 2023, 02:55:57 AM
Any tips on not snapping screw heads during installation?

I’m using a screw driver and some screws I took from a hardware store instead of the stock ones, still managed to take the head off and pop another one out in the process
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on September 05, 2023, 12:12:08 PM
Any tips on not snapping screw heads during installation?

I’m using a screw driver and some screws I took from a hardware store instead of the stock ones, still managed to take the head off and pop another one out in the process

Couple weeks old question, but here's what I did that worked excellent:

-Used masking tape to position rails where I wanted them.

-Get a drill bit that's about half the outer diameter of the screws, use the drill to mark the holes by just going in a couple mm.

-Remove the rails and drill the holes you started the rest of the way. I wrap masking tape around the drill bit at a depth that's around ¾ the thickness of the deck so you don't go through by accident.

-No rails yet, take a screw and go a few turns into, and back out of each hole, this will raise a bit of a hump around each hole, sand down the humps, this ensures the rails will sit dead flat on the deck.

-Put the rails on and hand tighten, you won't need so much force and you'll clearly feel the point where they are snug.



Also want to add, I'd never skated rails up until a few weeks ago, and holy shit, these things are a cheat code for boardslides on double sided curbs! So stable, so easy, so fun...

Went with Powell Rib bones.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: disclosed on September 06, 2023, 08:06:49 AM
i just never had screw heads snap, or heard of it happeneing to any of my friends.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 06, 2023, 12:53:00 PM
So just a follow up, I tried a similar method to what was mentioned above, and I snapped a screw head on a flat ground Ollie.

I ran rails for years but I think this is it for me, no more.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: krisdt17 on September 13, 2023, 07:50:48 AM
Been using a drill driver to install rails. No need for pre-drilling holes. Have to take drive the screws slowly. Never had a problem.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: And_so_it_goes22 on September 13, 2023, 01:24:44 PM
So just a follow up, I tried a similar method to what was mentioned above, and I snapped a screw head on a flat ground Ollie.

I ran rails for years but I think this is it for me, no more.

This makes zero sense to me. I don’t understand how a deck rail screw would snap from a flat ground ollie. Are you sure you didn’t overtighten the wood screws on the rails, and then end up stripping the wood? And it then just fell out?  Because that makes sense.   You’re sure it snapped?  You found a broken screw head, or you can see the rest of the screw in your deck?

I think it’s already been said in this thread, but you need to be careful when installing deck rails to not over tighten the wood screws. Or else you will end up stripping the wood and the screws will fall out. That’s why a lot of people advise against using a power drill to install the wood screws. 
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 17, 2023, 09:55:58 AM
Two sessions on some Slimlines and the front rail is almost worn to the screw. Granted I have been doing nothing but boardslides and feebles on very rugged double siders but still, these rails will not last the life of the deck. Think I've over them anyway. Its probably perceived but the board just feels too bulky to do anything else but skate curbs on. I do want to see if they help smiths on transitions though.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: MongoSwitchIsIllegal on February 02, 2024, 10:47:46 AM
Only thing I don't like about Lil Jawnz is that they use cheap harbor freight screws... I have bought 3 pairs of Jawnz and I always have 2 screws strip and have had several fall out after a lot of use. The material is great but god they could invest in some non-chinese, discounted, aluminum fragile screws...

Lil Jawnz with Slimeline/HSR screws would be great.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2024, 11:01:25 AM
Gotta say, the Welcome candy bars are where it's at, 4 holes, short so no wheelbite issues, good screws and come stock with tape already applied.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 02, 2024, 11:07:14 AM
Good to know.  I persevered with my slim lines and I am pretty used to them now, even on steel coping.
Title: Re: The Rails Thread
Post by: MongoSwitchIsIllegal on February 02, 2024, 01:56:40 PM
Gotta say, the Welcome candy bars are where it's at, 4 holes, short so no wheelbite issues, good screws and come stock with tape already applied.

Those look sick!! Thanks for showing me them. I can't find them in stock anywhere though. :(