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Title: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: jsettle on April 27, 2021, 11:31:17 AM
In the newest episode of the bunt, Tommy Sandoval says he heard through the grapevine that nike is flushing the toilet soon and possibly ending. With Zion leaving and more rumors of them cutting alot of their skate team i wonder what the future holds.....maybe a smaller team of like 10 main dudes or i could see them only keeping riders that have their own shoe on nike. I know ishod is getting his own shoe soon, so maybe they would just be keeping a select few on the team.

He talks about it at 1:09:42
https://soundcloud.com/thebuntlive/the-bunt-ft-tommy-sandoval-s13-episode-09-im-going-be-the-next-kid-on-zero
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Post by: sergioz on April 27, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
2 team manager (kaspar, maybe Colin Kennedy? and other old guy) is of Nike sb.
Source: instagram story of my crazy French friend Max Geronzi and other dude that i don't remember.
I never liked that dude (Kaspar), much better Colin Kennedy.

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Post by: smellsdead on April 27, 2021, 11:43:24 AM
oh no all those feet with no ugly ass shoes
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Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on April 27, 2021, 11:45:16 AM
I'm really wondering if "the grapevine" is slap and he justs repeats the rumors we discuss here
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: jsettle on April 27, 2021, 11:49:48 AM
I'm really wondering if "the grapevine" is slap and he justs repeats the rumors we discuss here


hahahaha. That could possibly be it. The Chef probably saw it on slap and told him about it.
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on April 27, 2021, 11:52:21 AM
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I'm really wondering if "the grapevine" is slap and he justs repeats the rumors we discuss here
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hahahaha. That could possibly be it. The Chef probably saw it on slap and told him about it.

Raekwon lurks slap?!
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Post by: dumptruck12 on April 27, 2021, 11:58:41 AM
This has been talked about since nike 6.0, but I do think that flowing every kid with nike is truly getting out of hand..to many free pairs being given out, not enough for the shops
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on April 27, 2021, 11:59:49 AM
Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Post by: Utopos on April 27, 2021, 12:00:12 PM
oh no all those feet with no ugly ass shoes

You like eS Accels don't you?
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Post by: Craig Lutzka on April 27, 2021, 12:01:13 PM
I heard they cut about 50 flow/lesser known riders and weren’t renewing a lot of contracts.
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Post by: augustmoon on April 27, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
yes i'm sure Nike's big plan was to infiltrate skateboarding for 20 years just to quit a few months before skateboarding's big debut in the Olympics

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Post by: bigdave on April 27, 2021, 12:03:04 PM
Inshallah.
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Post by: lydius on April 27, 2021, 12:10:04 PM
2 team manager (kaspar, maybe Colin Kennedy? and other old guy) is of Nike sb.
Source: instagram story of my crazy French friend Max Geronzi and other dude that i don't remember.
I never liked that dude (Kaspar), much better Colin Kennedy.
I've never understood how many TMs the Nike team has. I always thought it was Scuba for west-coasters and Keith Denley/Dom Travis for east-coasters.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: banksandledges on April 27, 2021, 12:12:29 PM
yes i'm sure Nike's big plan was to infiltrate skateboarding for 20 years just to quit a few months before skateboarding's big debut in the Olympics

you're actually closer than you think
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Post by: bigdave on April 27, 2021, 12:13:29 PM
Goddamn Dowdy laid into them today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFU2fQOMy8
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Post by: alex on April 27, 2021, 12:15:51 PM
Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread

Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Post by: BAIL on April 27, 2021, 12:16:55 PM
can confirm that Nike is planning on cutting the SB program, at least as we know it now, by 2025. Source is friend who works inside Nike SB presently
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Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on April 27, 2021, 12:19:21 PM
2 team manager (kaspar, maybe Colin Kennedy? and other old guy) is of Nike sb.
Source: instagram story of my crazy French friend Max Geronzi and other dude that i don't remember.
I never liked that dude (Kaspar), much better Colin Kennedy.

Not to be "that" guy .... but have you ever met Kaspar?
I saw him skate plenty enough when I was young.

Not only did he rip, he was funny as hell as well.
And he did A LOT for European ams no one knew (and the established US pro's of course) ...

I'm not a nike SB fan at all, but hard to hate Kaspar to be honest.

Pretty own to earth guy ... that went to school because he thought he'd never make it in skating anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E)
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Post by: Idk on April 27, 2021, 12:21:17 PM
yes i'm sure Nike's big plan was to infiltrate skateboarding for 20 years just to quit a few months before skateboarding's big debut in the Olympics
Um infiltrate a culture/industry then take it over and become the leader. Bleed it dry then leave before you go down with it. Sounds like Nike.
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Post by: dr.prestige on April 27, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
I wouldn't rule out Nike SB ending at some point but I doubt they would do it now considering how much money special edition Dunks are making them and how much money they're about to make off of the Olympics. I'm sure they're just downsizing to increase their margins.
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Post by: ninformatic on April 27, 2021, 12:43:02 PM
this just popped out on my youtube's homepage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFU2fQOMy8
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Post by: too fakie on April 27, 2021, 12:45:39 PM
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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???

Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Pete on April 27, 2021, 12:48:07 PM
they cut everything and everyone months ago. its a wrap for all the little crews they were endorsing, numbers existing, etc. josh wilson is on DC and apprently a bunch of johnny wilson crew guys are off.

been discussed this on here hella times and someone claiming clout was the one saying basically everyone was off until new contracts in june haha. explaining kaders situation.

what the fuck do i know



free max b
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on April 27, 2021, 12:49:44 PM
Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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Post by: Francis Xavier on April 27, 2021, 12:51:21 PM
Gotta only keep the guys that have a shoe or are going to be on Wheaties boxes after the Olympics.

Where will all these ex-swoosh guys go? Beg for Vans? Cairuma? Adidas? GLOBE!?!
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Post by: thunderclap on April 27, 2021, 12:56:56 PM
Nike's push for more direct to consumer sales will most likely impact SB as well. You don't need local representation if everyone shops at Nike.com  ::)
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Post by: Pete on April 27, 2021, 12:57:18 PM
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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


free max b
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 27, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
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I'm really wondering if "the grapevine" is slap and he justs repeats the rumors we discuss here
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hahahaha. That could possibly be it. The Chef probably saw it on slap and told him about it.
[close]

Raekwon lurks slap?!

Yup. They call him the slap assassinator, rhymes rugged and built like Jordan Taylor.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on April 27, 2021, 01:15:22 PM
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I'm really wondering if "the grapevine" is slap and he justs repeats the rumors we discuss here
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hahahaha. That could possibly be it. The Chef probably saw it on slap and told him about it.
[close]

Raekwon lurks slap?!
[close]

Yup. They call him the slap assassinator, rhymes rugged and built like Jordan Taylor.

I just assumed that’s who @Cuban_Lynx was
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mike Oxwelling on April 27, 2021, 01:15:59 PM
I heard Under Armour is going to swoopsh in and fill the giant vacuum left by Nike's great exodus from skateboarding.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: WavyDavy on April 27, 2021, 01:24:41 PM
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2 team manager (kaspar, maybe Colin Kennedy? and other old guy) is of Nike sb.
Source: instagram story of my crazy French friend Max Geronzi and other dude that i don't remember.
I never liked that dude (Kaspar), much better Colin Kennedy.
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Not to be "that" guy .... but have you ever met Kaspar?
I saw him skate plenty enough when I was young.

Not only did he rip, he was funny as hell as well.
And he did A LOT for European ams no one knew (and the established US pro's of course) ...

I'm not a nike SB fan at all, but hard to hate Kaspar to be honest.

Pretty own to earth guy ... that went to school because he thought he'd never make it in skating anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E)

I remember the jenkem interview with mike carroll complaining about him
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Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 27, 2021, 01:31:25 PM
Most skater analysts have the situation wrong. Nike didn't infiltrate skateboarding. Skaters infiltrated Nike and convinced Nike that skate shoes were going to be the next huge market. They spent a huge amount of money on pro contracts, team building, am flow, product development and marketing that never resulted in sales. All of the SB pro models have been a bust, except for the Janoski, which was a total fluke. But even the Janoski is a drop in the bucket compared to something like the Monarch. Theres no crossover of any of the SB stuff to non skaters except for the limited dunks. But even the dunk drops are too complicated distribution-wise and have too much backdoor shenanigans for it to be worth it for Nike in the long run.

(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:600/h:450/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg)
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Post by: Mr.Jenkins on April 27, 2021, 01:39:47 PM
Vaughan Baker just got left go from Nike Sb as Well. Nike seems to cut people all over. 
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Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on April 27, 2021, 01:47:31 PM
Kelly Bird out too
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Post by: I_Respect_Wood on April 27, 2021, 01:56:50 PM
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2 team manager (kaspar, maybe Colin Kennedy? and other old guy) is of Nike sb.
Source: instagram story of my crazy French friend Max Geronzi and other dude that i don't remember.
I never liked that dude (Kaspar), much better Colin Kennedy.
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Not to be "that" guy .... but have you ever met Kaspar?
I saw him skate plenty enough when I was young.

Not only did he rip, he was funny as hell as well.
And he did A LOT for European ams no one knew (and the established US pro's of course) ...

I'm not a nike SB fan at all, but hard to hate Kaspar to be honest.

Pretty own to earth guy ... that went to school because he thought he'd never make it in skating anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E)
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I remember the jenkem interview with mike carroll complaining about him

Yeah, nothing against the guy, he rips, never met him, just saw him twice.
But the only reference I have from him is that interview of Carroll where he says that nike took Karsten from Lakai just after he had his Lakai Welcome, and after a few days Kasper asked them if they could have Karsten on Girl because Element was not cool enough. 

That and him being part of the Tim Zom documentary that lead to loss his sponsors, kinda shady.


BTW that Karsten Lakai welcome is nowhere to be seeing.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Hevonen on April 27, 2021, 02:01:14 PM
This rumor has been popping up ever since they first started. Doubt they are killing the whole program, but I could imagine some suit over at Nike looking at the skate program like why are we paying a 100 random stoners who might put out a part on youtube every couple years, and giving free shoes to a thousand more. Could just focus on Nyjah and Leticia plus other olympians, and their sales probably wouldn't be much different.

Nike has done this a lot. They branch out to get their brand into different areas and then back off to focus on their main objective which is to sell shoes and casual sportswear to the masses.
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Post by: Sold Out on April 27, 2021, 02:15:51 PM
Kelly Bird out too

Saw Kaspar is gone and couple other key people, where did you see that Kelly left?
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Post by: pointandclick on April 27, 2021, 02:40:35 PM
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2 team manager (kaspar, maybe Colin Kennedy? and other old guy) is of Nike sb.
Source: instagram story of my crazy French friend Max Geronzi and other dude that i don't remember.
I never liked that dude (Kaspar), much better Colin Kennedy.
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Not to be "that" guy .... but have you ever met Kaspar?
I saw him skate plenty enough when I was young.

Not only did he rip, he was funny as hell as well.
And he did A LOT for European ams no one knew (and the established US pro's of course) ...

I'm not a nike SB fan at all, but hard to hate Kaspar to be honest.

Pretty own to earth guy ... that went to school because he thought he'd never make it in skating anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E)
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I remember the jenkem interview with mike carroll complaining about him
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Yeah, nothing against the guy, he rips, never met him, just saw him twice.
But the only reference I have from him is that interview of Carroll where he says that nike took Karsten from Lakai just after he had his Lakai Welcome, and after a few days Kasper asked them if they could have Karsten on Girl because Element was not cool enough. 

That and him being part of the Tim Zom documentary that lead to loss his sponsors, kinda shady.


BTW that Karsten Lakai welcome is nowhere to be seeing.
the lakai/girl thing seemed so clueless on kaspars part to me
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Lowcalcium on April 27, 2021, 02:52:37 PM
I heard through the "grapevine" that since the Olympics will not be the cash cow Nike thought it was going to be...

NikeSB will start signing contracts for scooter kids.

SB= Scooter Boy
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Post by: mooraga on April 27, 2021, 04:40:27 PM
I wouldn't rule out Nike SB ending at some point but I doubt they would do it now considering how much money special edition Dunks are making them and how much money they're about to make off of the Olympics. I'm sure they're just downsizing to increase their margins.

I can’t understand that dunk concept they are pulling now; making less shoes with ugly colors almost unavailable to anyone at a bigger price range... it’s simply stupid; and obviously they don’t make money either from the reselling price.
They could make a shit ton of shoes instead and make waaaay more money, everyone would buy them, it’s nonsense for me,   :o
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Post by: RIDEFLANNELV2 on April 27, 2021, 04:44:06 PM
Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Post by: bigdave on April 27, 2021, 04:45:58 PM
Kelly Bird out too

For real? Damn. I like Kelly. I used to play ball with him at the old Podium warehouse. That sucks.
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Post by: mattchew on April 27, 2021, 04:51:42 PM
I would like to see Max Palmer of Nike and on Last Resort please.
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Post by: Youoverthere on April 27, 2021, 04:53:36 PM
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oh no all those feet with no ugly ass shoes
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You like eS Accels don't you?
hell yeah I do
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Post by: bigdave on April 27, 2021, 04:56:15 PM
I would like to see Max Palmer of Nike and on Last Resort please.
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Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on April 27, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
i looked at their financial statements and they had a market cap of like 4B in 2019 and 2B in 2020 which makes sense cause of covid; they probably will slowly ramp up back to normal along with economy. They reported 1,400 M in profit FEB this quarter compared to 800 M FEB last year, would be better to compare with 2017 nums i think. None of the directors or higher ups are selling like crazy amounts of shares recently. Maybe they trying to cut some programs internally to use capital to compete with chinese shoe companies like li ning? Not sure tho, all this is entirely speculation.
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Post by: PatrickSkateman on April 27, 2021, 05:03:16 PM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.

Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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Post by: dannyprovolone on April 27, 2021, 05:07:52 PM
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I wouldn't rule out Nike SB ending at some point but I doubt they would do it now considering how much money special edition Dunks are making them and how much money they're about to make off of the Olympics. I'm sure they're just downsizing to increase their margins.
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I can’t understand that dunk concept they are pulling now; making less shoes with ugly colors almost unavailable to anyone at a bigger price range... it’s simply stupid; and obviously they don’t make money either from the reselling price.
They could make a shit ton of shoes instead and make waaaay more money, everyone would buy them, it’s nonsense for me,   :o

I been wondering this too. perhaps their image got too powerful and profits they receive from large scale mass production come with such a high price that it is not worth it. so maybe they took this approach instead? It is definitely strange to turn one of the most basic shoes ever into some kind of hype fashion item. Rarity is overrated especially if its just some corporate scheme based on instagram clout. I'm just gonna buy fake dunks until other legit options arise.

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Post by: TurdyBird on April 27, 2021, 05:09:31 PM
Wonder how this affects the Cons program. Honestly, kind of fucked but Nike doing Nike babbbbbyyy.

Whats the commentary about Nike gonna be now? Can't say how much Nike helps skateboarding now. Whose gonna carry all the dead weight now? Shoe goo? Haha.

They probably saw what the new Ishod shoe gonna look like and said hell nah. This shoe and Nyjah allegations gonna put us in the red. Time to pull out.

Just playing they probably cutting cause of covid like one homie speculated. Except fuck Nyjah. Fuck Nike anyways. Hate that they own Cons, and hate that Cons backed Al D after his shit got exposed. Cruel world

I do hope KB still got a home. Ishod's safe even with that shoe, so I'm not worried about him. Damn everything got layers
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Post by: bigdave on April 27, 2021, 05:13:07 PM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.

Hoka maybe a close third. I only run in brooks or asics tho.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on April 27, 2021, 05:15:42 PM
yes i'm sure Nike's big plan was to infiltrate skateboarding for 20 years just to quit a few months before skateboarding's big debut in the Olympics

Maybe the Slappers were wrong and Nike really did care so much about skating that they sacrificed everything to take it to the Olympics
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on April 27, 2021, 05:20:58 PM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.

Fam, of course they make high end shit, it’s very popular in races. Especially after the Vaporfly drama.

What I’m talking about is popularity amongst people who buy running shoes on a semi consistent basis and may do one or two big races a year just to stay in shape(which I would guess is where most of the running revenue comes from). The most common Nike trainers I see on trails are the Pegasus’, but those aren’t touching the amount of 40-50 year old white people wearing random Asics. Even in younger gentrifier crowds you’re going to see a mix of Hooka, Nike, Altra, Asics and Salomon (forgot about Brooks, them too).

From what I’ve seen - Nikes running line is way more popular in NYC, because they’re cool looking shoes in a pedestrian city. 

All that to say, they aren’t covering the void made from the perceived difficult 2020 that Nike basketball had.
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Post by: manysnakes on April 27, 2021, 05:38:40 PM
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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
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bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


free max b

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would you trade your name to Nike in perpetuity in order to receive money that a court would justly award you?
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Post by: Cuban_Lynx on April 27, 2021, 05:49:28 PM
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I'm really wondering if "the grapevine" is slap and he justs repeats the rumors we discuss here
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hahahaha. That could possibly be it. The Chef probably saw it on slap and told him about it.
[close]

Raekwon lurks slap?!
[close]

Yup. They call him the slap assassinator, rhymes rugged and built like Jordan Taylor.
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I just assumed that’s who @Cuban_Lynx was
Since the face been revealed, game got real
(https://i.imgur.com/icQrOZz.png)
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Post by: Mantracker on April 27, 2021, 06:49:31 PM
Alex Midler skating Vans old schools today on Instagram

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Post by: homegrown83 on April 27, 2021, 07:03:06 PM
Nike sucks.
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 27, 2021, 07:05:39 PM
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I'm really wondering if "the grapevine" is slap and he justs repeats the rumors we discuss here
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hahahaha. That could possibly be it. The Chef probably saw it on slap and told him about it.
[close]

Raekwon lurks slap?!
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Yup. They call him the slap assassinator, rhymes rugged and built like Jordan Taylor.
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I just assumed that’s who @Cuban_Lynx was
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Since the face been revealed, game got real
(https://i.imgur.com/icQrOZz.png)

Dropping hints all along and we just now caught on. Look no further from the certified banger, ice cream. While the chorus is sung by method man, we all know who wrote it.

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chocolate-deluxe, even caramel sundaes is gettin' touched and scooped in my ice cream truck. Wu tears it up
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Miller92 on April 27, 2021, 07:06:59 PM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.

On Cloud is huge as well
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on April 27, 2021, 07:09:27 PM
It’s interesting that in running that new, small brands seem to be successful. That kind of contradicts the common sense about skate shoes being an impossible market for newcomers.
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Post by: shannamal on April 27, 2021, 07:58:46 PM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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On Cloud is huge as well

as someone who worked in the running/triathlon space for years; nike is absolutely still #1. look at the recent US marathon trials. off the top of my head, 43 of the top 50 dudes were in nikes, including the winner, galen rupp. brooks is big in the 30+ non hyper competitive world. ON cloud is growing, especially with that federer endormsement.

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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
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bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


free max b
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This makes absolutely no sense. Why would you trade your name to Nike in perpetuity in order to receive money that a court would justly award you?


it isn't true. literally over and over and over and over, he's said it isn't true. here's an interview from 6 years ago! http://www.placeskateboarding.de/stefan-janoski-interview/

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I think the rumor is Nike bought my name. But it’s just stupid internet shit… I don’t know where that came from. The rumor is that I sold my name to Nike, but I don’t even know how that works really. I think it was the talk-show kid who started this… I don’t know why.

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Post by: kneebone on April 27, 2021, 08:14:03 PM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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On Cloud is huge as well
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as someone who worked in the running/triathlon space for years; nike is absolutely still #1. look at the recent US marathon trials. off the top of my head, 43 of the top 50 dudes were in nikes, including the winner, galen rupp. brooks is big in the 30+ non hyper competitive world. ON cloud is growing, especially with that federer endormsement.

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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
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bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


free max b
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This makes absolutely no sense. Why would you trade your name to Nike in perpetuity in order to receive money that a court would justly award you?
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it isn't true. literally over and over and over and over, he's said it isn't true. here's an interview from 6 years ago! http://www.placeskateboarding.de/stefan-janoski-interview/

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I think the rumor is Nike bought my name. But it’s just stupid internet shit… I don’t know where that came from. The rumor is that I sold my name to Nike, but I don’t even know how that works really. I think it was the talk-show kid who started this… I don’t know why.
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Stefan in interviews:  “noooo silly, Nike didn’t buy my name!  They simply gave me a lump sum payment in exchange for putting the name Stefan Janoski on the tongues of as many shoes as they want without paying me a proportionate royalty.  They totally didn’t buy my name, I don’t know where that’s coming from!”

They bought his name.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Prinzy on April 27, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
I would like to see Max Palmer of Nike and on Last Resort please.

I agree, but this brings up a real good point. Given the ties a lot of the Polar crew has with Nike, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pontus swoops up tons of free agents from this for Last Resort

I for one, think that’d be sick. Hopefully some of Johnny Wilson’s dudes do too. Nik Stain would look mad sick in a pair of those high top LR’s.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Eric Dolphy on April 27, 2021, 08:47:00 PM
Is it that time of year month again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fredgallSOTY on April 27, 2021, 08:57:55 PM
yall got amnesia i swear

every thread about nike is literally the same


whatever
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on April 27, 2021, 09:16:56 PM
@Alan can we start a dedicated “Shroedinger’s Nike SB” sub-group for whenever someone wants to start this up again or just banish this to the shoes thread
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: liquid on April 27, 2021, 09:22:33 PM
if true wondering if all these dudes will be able to get on anything after nike? i personally wouldn t put a former nike head on a real skateshoe company... but i guess skateboarding is stupid enough to throw some money at them again
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Post by: Ayanami on April 27, 2021, 10:21:20 PM
I just want to be able to buy a pair of dunks to skate in without spending like $300 on a resale pair. Shit sucks.
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Post by: backside_reacharound on April 27, 2021, 11:00:57 PM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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On Cloud is huge as well

The company is called On, CloudTec is just the sole technology that they use
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: rejectpaul on April 27, 2021, 11:29:24 PM
I would like to see Max Palmer of Nike and on Last Resort please.

I would also like that alot
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Post by: JohnnyBoy on April 27, 2021, 11:39:05 PM
if true wondering if all these dudes will be able to get on anything after nike? i personally wouldn t put a former nike head on a real skateshoe company... but i guess skateboarding is stupid enough to throw some money at them again

Spoken like a true heshlord. Of logic / revenue.
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Post by: AfterBlackEnderEnder on April 27, 2021, 11:51:28 PM
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if true wondering if all these dudes will be able to get on anything after nike? i personally wouldn t put a former nike head on a real skateshoe company... but i guess skateboarding is stupid enough to throw some money at them again
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Spoken like a true heshlord. Of logic / revenue.

The real hesh dudes will be skating barefoot by 2023
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on April 28, 2021, 12:02:51 AM
A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

- Isn't this really strange timing? Nike wants "athletes" and now that skateboarding is going to the olympics and it will get major exposure, they're dropping the skateprogram? Weird.

- Also this statement which has nothing to with skating: The whole sneakerhead thing gets huuuuuuuuugely affected by what Nike sb puts out. Nike Sb dunks ALWAYS sell out immediately and if you look on stock X they'll some models probably will be up there with the most expensive sneakers ever. If Nike Sb gets cancelled it will be a MAJOR shift in the sneakercollecting world. Nike Sb dunks will only get more valuable ...
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Post by: Prostate Exam on April 28, 2021, 12:04:32 AM
As long as they don't cut the CONS Skate program I don't care.
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Post by: Giza Butler on April 28, 2021, 12:30:52 AM
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I would like to see Max Palmer of Nike and on Last Resort please.
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I agree, but this brings up a real good point. Given the ties a lot of the Polar crew has with Nike, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pontus swoops up tons of free agents from this for Last Resort

I for one, think that’d be sick. Hopefully some of Johnny Wilson’s dudes do too. Nik Stain would look mad sick in a pair of those high top LR’s.

Please, go on.....
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Giza Butler on April 28, 2021, 12:33:10 AM
A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

- Isn't this really strange timing? Nike wants "athletes" and now that skateboarding is going to the olympics and it will get major exposure, they're dropping the skateprogram? Weird.

- Also this statement which has nothing to with skating: The whole sneakerhead thing gets huuuuuuuuugely affected by what Nike sb puts out. Nike Sb dunks ALWAYS sell out immediately and if you look on stock X they'll some models probably will be up there with the most expensive sneakers ever. If Nike Sb gets cancelled it will be a MAJOR shift in the sneakercollecting world. Nike Sb dunks will only get more valuable ...

I think that the "rumor" is that there will be no more SB, so it would all be regular Nikes. So it would still be a safe space for sneakerheads, but without a huge team and 7 TM's.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on April 28, 2021, 02:07:51 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

- Isn't this really strange timing? Nike wants "athletes" and now that skateboarding is going to the olympics and it will get major exposure, they're dropping the skateprogram? Weird.

- Also this statement which has nothing to with skating: The whole sneakerhead thing gets huuuuuuuuugely affected by what Nike sb puts out. Nike Sb dunks ALWAYS sell out immediately and if you look on stock X they'll some models probably will be up there with the most expensive sneakers ever. If Nike Sb gets cancelled it will be a MAJOR shift in the sneakercollecting world. Nike Sb dunks will only get more valuable ...
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I think that the "rumor" is that there will be no more SB, so it would all be regular Nikes. So it would still be a safe space for sneakerheads, but without a huge team and 7 TM's.

It’s been awhile since the “dropping the SB” rumor was going around.  Is it anything really more dramatic than Nike trimming the bloat from the roster?   They do flow or pay a huge ass amount of people.   

I’m not sad that Zion and Midler aren’t on the team anymore and the other guys I’ve heard getting cut are like semi-retired types who probably don’t give that much value back for what they made.   

Instead of being angry this company did that for so long, maybe look at it as it being rad that it lasted for as long as it did.   I mean, as much as I like Justin Brock, is he really doing anything for Nike in return?   
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: essal on April 28, 2021, 02:17:42 AM
nike is firing people all over. it's not an sb thing, because their sb program is doing great in terms of sales and popularity. it's a covid and supplychain issue where nike aren't meeting their numbers as a corporation and that will take time to recoup. the result is that tons of people are without contracts currently waiting for the board to land on something, others won't have contracts renewed and they are tightening the rope on number of flow/ams/pros and euro dudes.

it's a shitty situation, because now people have to go ask carihurama for free shoes.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Prostate Exam on April 28, 2021, 02:25:43 AM
nike is firing people all over. it's not an sb thing, because their sb program is doing great in terms of sales and popularity. it's a covid and supplychain issue where nike aren't meeting their numbers as a corporation and that will take time to recoup. the result is that tons of people are without contracts currently waiting for the board to land on something, others won't have contracts renewed and they are tightening the rope on number of flow/ams/pros and euro dudes.

it's a shitty situation, because now people have to go ask carihurama for free shoes.

Well, Cariuma definitely should be your last resort
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: WadeDes on April 28, 2021, 03:09:08 AM
Max Palmer, Nik Stain, and all those type of cool guys all skate blazers and those last resort shoe kind of look like blazers. However, Pontus mentioned that he wasn't into building a team that much but rather give people he likes some shoes now and then. These guys would be a perfect fit and I would love to see Last Resort taking a piece of that Nike pie. Some balance in the skater owned and big company battle.
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Post by: Hevonen on April 28, 2021, 04:09:16 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

- Isn't this really strange timing? Nike wants "athletes" and now that skateboarding is going to the olympics and it will get major exposure, they're dropping the skateprogram? Weird.

- Also this statement which has nothing to with skating: The whole sneakerhead thing gets huuuuuuuuugely affected by what Nike sb puts out. Nike Sb dunks ALWAYS sell out immediately and if you look on stock X they'll some models probably will be up there with the most expensive sneakers ever. If Nike Sb gets cancelled it will be a MAJOR shift in the sneakercollecting world. Nike Sb dunks will only get more valuable ...
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I think that the "rumor" is that there will be no more SB, so it would all be regular Nikes. So it would still be a safe space for sneakerheads, but without a huge team and 7 TM's.

Yeah, I don't think core skateboarding is significant to Nike's sales. What's important is the masses who might take light influence from different things and cultures. Nike's brand is now recognized by the masses as a part of skate culture and they can keep it up with a few big names.

Similar thing happened with Nike and golf. They made some innovative flashy looking clubs that would generate a lot of conversation. Manufacturing golf clubs was never gonna be significant to their business, but it was a way to inject their brand into the culture. Before, it would've been unfitting to wear Nike on the course or clubhouse, but now it's totally fine.
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Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on April 28, 2021, 04:30:03 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

- Isn't this really strange timing? Nike wants "athletes" and now that skateboarding is going to the olympics and it will get major exposure, they're dropping the skateprogram? Weird.

- Also this statement which has nothing to with skating: The whole sneakerhead thing gets huuuuuuuuugely affected by what Nike sb puts out. Nike Sb dunks ALWAYS sell out immediately and if you look on stock X they'll some models probably will be up there with the most expensive sneakers ever. If Nike Sb gets cancelled it will be a MAJOR shift in the sneakercollecting world. Nike Sb dunks will only get more valuable ...
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I think that the "rumor" is that there will be no more SB, so it would all be regular Nikes. So it would still be a safe space for sneakerheads, but without a huge team and 7 TM's.
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Yeah, I don't think core skateboarding is significant to Nike's sales. What's important is the masses who might take light influence from different things and cultures. Nike's brand is now recognized by the masses as a part of skate culture and they can keep it up with a few big names.

Similar thing happened with Nike and golf. They made some innovative flashy looking clubs that would generate a lot of conversation. Manufacturing golf clubs was never gonna be significant to their business, but it was a way to inject their brand into the culture. Before, it would've been unfitting to wear Nike on the course or clubhouse, but now it's totally fine.

Weird buisness strategy. Well actually it isn't ...

They make huge teams to get the name out and when it's "established" they trim the fat and only keep the lean muscle.

I always wondered how they can afford (I know it's a huge company, but you get what I mean) to sponsor that many skaters (flow and ams included). I know at least 10 people personally that get free nike sb's.

Let's be honest, skateboarding is probably one of the lesser known "sport" in their roster and I'm sure they send the most shoes to skaters since they ruin them the fasted. It has to be a huge amount of money that got thrown at Nike SB.

Probably some bigshot marketing guy said the SB program costs way too much for what they get in return.

I know Youness since he was 5 years old, but I don't have the balls to ask him what's up with Nike ... I have a feeling he'll be dropped soon as wel :-/
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Post by: nicotinewheel on April 28, 2021, 04:41:20 AM
Might be useful having a brand-talk subform dedicated exclusively to pal's evolving personal relationships with companies/brands

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Post by: cucktard on April 28, 2021, 05:33:44 AM
Might be useful having a brand-talk subform dedicated exclusively to pal's evolving personal relationships with companies/brands
What kind of ‘relationship’ does one have with a business model?

Apart from producer-consumer? Isn’t it just a one-way street of the consumer receiving advertising and goods?

Like the relationship an otaku has with an anime character?
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Post by: urbneathme on April 28, 2021, 05:35:53 AM
i’m starting to get worried about kevin terpening’s career at nike guys
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Post by: bigdave on April 28, 2021, 06:26:30 AM
- Isn't this really strange timing? Nike wants "athletes" and now that skateboarding is going to the olympics and it will get major exposure, they're dropping the skateprogram? Weird.



I mean to me the strategy looks like "AWESOME GUYS WE GOT THIS FAR OLYMPICS WOOOOOOOOO, cut all the losers who lose us money the timing is perfect now Nyjah is a legitimate ATHLETE WOOOOOOOO lolz"
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Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on April 28, 2021, 06:30:29 AM
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I mean to me the strategy looks like "AWESOME GUYS WE GOT THIS FAR OLYMPICS WOOOOOOOOO, cut all the losers who lose us money the timing is perfect now Nyjah is a legitimate ATHLETE WOOOOOOOO lolz"

Hahaha :D
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Post by: manysnakes on April 28, 2021, 06:43:13 AM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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On Cloud is huge as well
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as someone who worked in the running/triathlon space for years; nike is absolutely still #1. look at the recent US marathon trials. off the top of my head, 43 of the top 50 dudes were in nikes, including the winner, galen rupp. brooks is big in the 30+ non hyper competitive world. ON cloud is growing, especially with that federer endormsement.

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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
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bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


free max b
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This makes absolutely no sense. Why would you trade your name to Nike in perpetuity in order to receive money that a court would justly award you?
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it isn't true. literally over and over and over and over, he's said it isn't true. here's an interview from 6 years ago! http://www.placeskateboarding.de/stefan-janoski-interview/

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I think the rumor is Nike bought my name. But it’s just stupid internet shit… I don’t know where that came from. The rumor is that I sold my name to Nike, but I don’t even know how that works really. I think it was the talk-show kid who started this… I don’t know why.
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Stefan in interviews:  “noooo silly, Nike didn’t buy my name!  They simply gave me a lump sum payment in exchange for putting the name Stefan Janoski on the tongues of as many shoes as they want without paying me a proportionate royalty.  They totally didn’t buy my name, I don’t know where that’s coming from!”

They bought his name.

So no matter how many times he says that they did not buy it, and without a single scant of evidence and against all logic, you insist it still must be true
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Post by: manysnakes on April 28, 2021, 06:44:31 AM
if true wondering if all these dudes will be able to get on anything after nike? i personally wouldn t put a former nike head on a real skateshoe company... but i guess skateboarding is stupid enough to throw some money at them again

lol sure man, I bet they’re all gonna be blackballed from the industry 🙄
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Post by: manysnakes on April 28, 2021, 06:47:13 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

- Isn't this really strange timing? Nike wants "athletes" and now that skateboarding is going to the olympics and it will get major exposure, they're dropping the skateprogram? Weird.

- Also this statement which has nothing to with skating: The whole sneakerhead thing gets huuuuuuuuugely affected by what Nike sb puts out. Nike Sb dunks ALWAYS sell out immediately and if you look on stock X they'll some models probably will be up there with the most expensive sneakers ever. If Nike Sb gets cancelled it will be a MAJOR shift in the sneakercollecting world. Nike Sb dunks will only get more valuable ...
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I think that the "rumor" is that there will be no more SB, so it would all be regular Nikes. So it would still be a safe space for sneakerheads, but without a huge team and 7 TM's.
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Is it anything really more dramatic than Nike trimming the bloat from the roster?

Almost certainly nothing more than this.
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Post by: kneebone on April 28, 2021, 06:54:41 AM
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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On Cloud is huge as well
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as someone who worked in the running/triathlon space for years; nike is absolutely still #1. look at the recent US marathon trials. off the top of my head, 43 of the top 50 dudes were in nikes, including the winner, galen rupp. brooks is big in the 30+ non hyper competitive world. ON cloud is growing, especially with that federer endormsement.

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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
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bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


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This makes absolutely no sense. Why would you trade your name to Nike in perpetuity in order to receive money that a court would justly award you?
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it isn't true. literally over and over and over and over, he's said it isn't true. here's an interview from 6 years ago! http://www.placeskateboarding.de/stefan-janoski-interview/

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I think the rumor is Nike bought my name. But it’s just stupid internet shit… I don’t know where that came from. The rumor is that I sold my name to Nike, but I don’t even know how that works really. I think it was the talk-show kid who started this… I don’t know why.
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Stefan in interviews:  “noooo silly, Nike didn’t buy my name!  They simply gave me a lump sum payment in exchange for putting the name Stefan Janoski on the tongues of as many shoes as they want without paying me a proportionate royalty.  They totally didn’t buy my name, I don’t know where that’s coming from!”

They bought his name.
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So no matter how many times he says that they did not buy it, and without a single scant of evidence and against all logic, you insist it still must be true
Look, of course they didn't BuY H1s NaMe.  But they did buy the right to license his name on as many shoes as they want without paying him a commensurate royalty.  And he doesn't deny that, he only denies the absurd notion that they would purchase his entire name/identity.  Which, duh.  It's a nuance, and he exploits that nuance to make the people questioning it sound ridiculous.
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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On Cloud is huge as well
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as someone who worked in the running/triathlon space for years; nike is absolutely still #1. look at the recent US marathon trials. off the top of my head, 43 of the top 50 dudes were in nikes, including the winner, galen rupp. brooks is big in the 30+ non hyper competitive world. ON cloud is growing, especially with that federer endormsement.

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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
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bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


free max b
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This makes absolutely no sense. Why would you trade your name to Nike in perpetuity in order to receive money that a court would justly award you?
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it isn't true. literally over and over and over and over, he's said it isn't true. here's an interview from 6 years ago! http://www.placeskateboarding.de/stefan-janoski-interview/

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I think the rumor is Nike bought my name. But it’s just stupid internet shit… I don’t know where that came from. The rumor is that I sold my name to Nike, but I don’t even know how that works really. I think it was the talk-show kid who started this… I don’t know why.
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Stefan in interviews:  “noooo silly, Nike didn’t buy my name!  They simply gave me a lump sum payment in exchange for putting the name Stefan Janoski on the tongues of as many shoes as they want without paying me a proportionate royalty.  They totally didn’t buy my name, I don’t know where that’s coming from!”

They bought his name.
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So no matter how many times he says that they did not buy it, and without a single scant of evidence and against all logic, you insist it still must be true
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Look, of course they didn't BuY H1s NaMe.  But they did buy the right to license his name on as many shoes as they want without paying him a commensurate royalty.  And he doesn't deny that, he only denies the absurd notion that they would purchase his entire name/identity.  Which, duh.  It's a nuance, and he exploits that nuance to make the people questioning it sound ridiculous.

You’re just describing a basic licensing agreement.
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Post by: Idk on April 28, 2021, 07:22:55 AM
Anyone have a list of who is officially off? Are they just gonna resign everyone in June? How is Koston on? When was his last video part?
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Don’t know the financials but I have to imagine that they realized cutting a few dudes and not bro flowing half of the east coast will help their bottom line.

Nike is probably tightening up on all their verticals anyways. Their cash cow basketball program likely underperformed due to COVID closing all of the indoor courts. Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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You obviously know absolutely nothing about running. I despise Nike and their running shoes but it would be a gigantic lie to say that they aren’t a top brand. Look at how dominate the Vaporfly next% and dragon fly are.

You have Runner’s sponsored by other companies wearing them in competition. Look no further than Great Britain’s marathon trials a month ago where Chris Thompson won wearing the Alphafly but is a pro for OnCloud. Or hell Nico Young wore the dragon fly during a 5000 meter event last weekend and painted the adidas three stripes on them.
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Brooks and ASICS are top two for running IMO.
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On Cloud is huge as well
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as someone who worked in the running/triathlon space for years; nike is absolutely still #1. look at the recent US marathon trials. off the top of my head, 43 of the top 50 dudes were in nikes, including the winner, galen rupp. brooks is big in the 30+ non hyper competitive world. ON cloud is growing, especially with that federer endormsement.

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Is it that time of year again?  Should have known since I saw someone say Nike bought Janoski’s last name from him in a different thread
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Do we know if this has ever been debunked???
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Stefan has denied it in a ton of interviews.
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bruh this is like decade old news. he had a lawyer look into what nike was paying him when the janoski first started going nuts coming out in 30 colors a month. to no ones surprise he was owed millions. allegedly he traded them rights to his name for an undisclosed amount and bought him an apartment on 14th street. most likely part of the contract that he has to deny it.


free max b
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This makes absolutely no sense. Why would you trade your name to Nike in perpetuity in order to receive money that a court would justly award you?
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it isn't true. literally over and over and over and over, he's said it isn't true. here's an interview from 6 years ago! http://www.placeskateboarding.de/stefan-janoski-interview/

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I think the rumor is Nike bought my name. But it’s just stupid internet shit… I don’t know where that came from. The rumor is that I sold my name to Nike, but I don’t even know how that works really. I think it was the talk-show kid who started this… I don’t know why.
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Stefan in interviews:  “noooo silly, Nike didn’t buy my name!  They simply gave me a lump sum payment in exchange for putting the name Stefan Janoski on the tongues of as many shoes as they want without paying me a proportionate royalty.  They totally didn’t buy my name, I don’t know where that’s coming from!”

They bought his name.
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So no matter how many times he says that they did not buy it, and without a single scant of evidence and against all logic, you insist it still must be true
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Look, of course they didn't BuY H1s NaMe.  But they did buy the right to license his name on as many shoes as they want without paying him a commensurate royalty.  And he doesn't deny that, he only denies the absurd notion that they would purchase his entire name/identity.  Which, duh.  It's a nuance, and he exploits that nuance to make the people questioning it sound ridiculous.

thats not just nuance, that's a fundamental difference. the rumor isn't "they licensed his name in perpetuity for a smaller than market average rate in a mutually beneficial move" it's that they bought the usage of his last name, period.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: IanBZHD on April 28, 2021, 07:42:50 AM
I would say the current Dunk hype is showing Nike that SB does not in fact mean skateboarding and anybody in the world will fall for (simulated) limited released items, I mean look how many people get those limited items for free, there is no limit.
They're probably cutting a lot of people because they had to give out an insane amount of shoes to randoms all the time and more shoes out there makes them easier to get from somewhere other than Nike direct. 

Dunks were already big within the sneaker community, but now they've gotten the whole world on the hype train.
Why do you need SB on your tongue to target a small audience when the whole world already bought in?
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Post by: Kingtide on April 28, 2021, 09:28:08 AM
A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?


Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.

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Post by: bigdave on April 28, 2021, 09:31:00 AM
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- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

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Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.


So what you're saying is, Sinclair is for The Children.
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Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 28, 2021, 09:35:20 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

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Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.
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So what you're saying is, Sinclair is for The Children.

How many flow kids does nike sacrifice to satiate the hunger of Sinclair?
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Post by: bigdave on April 28, 2021, 09:36:19 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

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Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.
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So what you're saying is, Sinclair is for The Children.
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How many flow kids does nike sacrifice to satiate the hunger of Sinclair?

QNike
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Post by: Dwyck on April 28, 2021, 10:00:20 AM
Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.

Do you like... live in Japan or something this doesn't make any sense
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Post by: Lowcalcium on April 28, 2021, 10:09:24 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

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Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.
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So what you're saying is, Sinclair is for The Children.
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How many flow kids does nike sacrifice to satiate the hunger of Sinclair?

How many Red Vines are currently being distributed around the United States
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Post by: artskool on April 28, 2021, 10:36:17 AM
Remember when Nike cut Todd Jordan, and skaters everywhere refused to buy another pair again?
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on April 28, 2021, 10:46:21 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

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Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.
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So what you're saying is, Sinclair is for The Children.
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How many flow kids does nike sacrifice to satiate the hunger of Sinclair?
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How many Red Vines are currently being distributed around the United States


Packs, buckets or individual vines?
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Post by: rawbertson. on April 28, 2021, 10:51:29 AM
Remember when Nike cut Todd Jordan, and skaters everywhere refused to buy another pair again?

last time i bought nike was before SB existed lmfao shit is trash im not down with nike users reminds me of blanka players
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on April 28, 2021, 10:53:08 AM
Remember when Nike cut Todd Jordan, and skaters everywhere refused to buy another pair again?

Sounds like something skater outside of New York would really care about
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Post by: Lowcalcium on April 28, 2021, 11:03:51 AM
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A few questions:
- Is Mike Sinclair involved with Nike in any way? I tend to forget?

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Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.
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So what you're saying is, Sinclair is for The Children.
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How many flow kids does nike sacrifice to satiate the hunger of Sinclair?
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How many Red Vines are currently being distributed around the United States
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Packs, buckets or individual vines?

I was thinking of the big buckets
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on April 28, 2021, 11:11:47 AM
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A few questions:
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Sinclair is (was? Not sure of his status) the TM for “up and coming talent” for Nike. All the children tag him on Instagram because he occasionally helps kids get a hook up.
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So what you're saying is, Sinclair is for The Children.
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How many flow kids does nike sacrifice to satiate the hunger of Sinclair?
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How many Red Vines are currently being distributed around the United States
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Packs, buckets or individual vines?
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I was thinking of the big buckets

I was thinking how hard it is for me to eat a red vine without tying it in a knot first
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: iknowisuck on April 28, 2021, 11:19:35 AM
I would say the current Dunk hype is showing Nike that SB does not in fact mean skateboarding and anybody in the world will fall for (simulated) limited released items, I mean look how many people get those limited items for free, there is no limit.
They're probably cutting a lot of people because they had to give out an insane amount of shoes to randoms all the time and more shoes out there makes them easier to get from somewhere other than Nike direct. 

Dunks were already big within the sneaker community, but now they've gotten the whole world on the hype train.
Why do you need SB on your tongue to target a small audience when the whole world already bought in?

I feel as though Nike usually ends up putting the more "wacky" designs on the sb models and reserves the plain colorways for the non-SB models, so I think there ends up being some sort of prestige related to having the SB on the tongue and the other differences between the two for each shoe model. I could see how they would maybe want this hierarchy to remain because then it helps continue the hype for both branches, where a consumer could miss the more limited SB and get a more available non-SB instead. Anecdotally I feel like this has already been exhibited with the disrupt low because there's no way that shoe sells had there not been a rejuvenation in interest of the dunk from some of the SB releases of the past few years. 
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Post by: snowballz on April 28, 2021, 11:28:05 AM
Insane to me that Blake Carpenter is still on but Zion and Midler are off. Seems like a shit business move; those two are huge with the kids. As for Blake, I can't tell you anything about him other than he rides for Toy and Nike.
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Post by: snowballz on April 28, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
Also, can someone make a list of who's been confirmed cut?
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Post by: rawbertson. on April 28, 2021, 11:35:53 AM
Insane to me that Blake Carpenter is still on but Zion and Midler are off. Seems like a shit business move; those two are huge with the kids. As for Blake, I can't tell you anything about him other than he rides for Toy and Nike.
i think you are kind of over simplifying it but you do make a good point, seems like you would want to hold on to those 2 right now. i would imagine he is making a lot less money than those 2 are though as a result but maybe they dont need to go after that part of the market, they already have it covered or doesnt justify renewing those contracts etc. having blake carpentar on maybe is more value for the salary they pay him, maybe they are thinking having these toy guys on nike will dissuade anti corporate haters into giving the brand another chance or something
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Post by: spanyard on April 28, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
i’m starting to get worried about kevin terpening’s career at nike guys
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Post by: Idk on April 28, 2021, 11:39:19 AM
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Insane to me that Blake Carpenter is still on but Zion and Midler are off. Seems like a shit business move; those two are huge with the kids. As for Blake, I can't tell you anything about him other than he rides for Toy and Nike.
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i think you are kind of over simplifying it but you do make a good point, seems like you would want to hold on to those 2 right now. i would imagine he is making a lot less money than those 2 are though as a result but maybe they dont need to go after that part of the market, they already have it covered or doesnt justify renewing those contracts etc. having blake carpentar on maybe is more value for the salary they pay him, maybe they are thinking having these toy guys on nike will dissuade anti corporate haters into giving the brand another chance or something
Or maybe Blake signed a contract before COVID and is still in it while Midler and Zions contracts ended just as the pandemic started.
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Post by: rawbertson. on April 28, 2021, 11:42:18 AM
maybe illegal civ is gonna try to do shoes
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Post by: Theme For A Jackal on April 28, 2021, 11:49:28 AM
Insane to me that Blake Carpenter is still on but Zion and Midler are off. Seems like a shit business move; those two are huge with the kids. As for Blake, I can't tell you anything about him other than he rides for Toy and Nike.

I'm surprised they let Zion go too but you're out of your gourd if you don't see how hard Blake rips
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Post by: duniwayRobber on April 28, 2021, 12:02:05 PM
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Insane to me that Blake Carpenter is still on but Zion and Midler are off. Seems like a shit business move; those two are huge with the kids. As for Blake, I can't tell you anything about him other than he rides for Toy and Nike.
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I'm surprised they let Zion go too but you're out of your gourd if you don't see how hard Blake rips

I was wondering why Blake was on the full program until this last year, dude is weirdly good.

Another take besides the contract-expiration. I've found that in life, friends get friends jobs. I don't know but it seems to me that Midler is semi-outcast from the 'core' industry, while Blake seems more beloved.

For Zion, I'm guessing that he has something big in the works. Dude's continuing to blow up so I don't see the swoosh wanting to lose him.
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Post by: too fakie on April 28, 2021, 12:25:46 PM
They currently have a 50 person team according to their website. What do you guys think the annual salary is for that entire squad? $15 million tops?

Obviously guys like Nyjah, P-Rod, and Koston will tip that scale a little higher, but I imagine the John Fitzgeralds and Bobby Worrests of the world balance it out.

Even when factoring in salaries for SB employees, travel, and a robust flow program, I would bet that the annual cost of entire SB program is still less than 1 year of Lebron.
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on April 28, 2021, 12:29:40 PM
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Only black people and New Yorkers like their running shoes over Asics, so that probably didn’t make up the difference.
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Do you like... live in Japan or something this doesn't make any sense

I was half-joking about the parity in the casual running community. I forget that if I don’t explicitly announce that I’m black and half-joking then people think I’m nuts.


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Post by: TurdyBird on April 28, 2021, 12:38:23 PM
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I'm surprised they let Zion go too but you're out of your gourd if you don't see how hard Blake rips
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I was wondering why Blake was on the full program until this last year, dude is weirdly good.

Another take besides the contract-expiration. I've found that in life, friends get friends jobs. I don't know but it seems to me that Midler is semi-outcast from the 'core' industry, while Blake seems more beloved.

For Zion, I'm guessing that he has something big in the works. Dude's continuing to blow up so I don't see the swoosh wanting to lose him.

Blake's oddly underrated. It's probably because people don't realize when he's skating switch.

However, it's a great point to how Mids and Zion are popular. There are a lot of other factors that are probably involved outside of just pure skate talent. Also, maybe the thought was they valued Blake as a Nike vet.

Mids and Zion have plenty of time to grow with another company, though I doubt that was a thought in deciding whether to keep them. I wouldn't say this about Zion but Mids doesn't come off too humble. He's fucking gnarly, but I ain't vibing with his media presence. If I have anything to say of Zion, he's an incredible all terrain skateboarder.

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Post by: wuust on April 28, 2021, 12:41:10 PM
starting the “of nike list 2021”
-midler
-zion
-vaughan baker
-kaspar
-wieger?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on April 28, 2021, 12:41:25 PM
They currently have a 50 person team according to their website. What do you guys think the annual salary is for that entire squad? $15 million tops?

Obviously guys like Nyjah, P-Rod, and Koston will tip that scale a little higher, but I imagine the John Fitzgeralds and Bobby Worrests of the world balance it out.

Even when factoring in salaries for SB employees, travel, and a robust flow program, I would bet that the annual cost of entire SB program is still less than 1 year of Lebron.

And move significantly fewer shoes than does Lebron
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Post by: snowballz on April 28, 2021, 12:43:35 PM
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Insane to me that Blake Carpenter is still on but Zion and Midler are off. Seems like a shit business move; those two are huge with the kids. As for Blake, I can't tell you anything about him other than he rides for Toy and Nike.
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I'm surprised they let Zion go too but you're out of your gourd if you don't see how hard Blake rips

Blake fucking rips for sure; no doubt about that. I'm looking at it from the perspective of Nike. Sadly, being able to rip =/= being marketable/popular. Zion to me seems like the perfect Nike SB skater (popular, family friendly jock type) which is why I was so fucking confused they dropped him.
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Post by: too fakie on April 28, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
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They currently have a 50 person team according to their website. What do you guys think the annual salary is for that entire squad? $15 million tops?

Obviously guys like Nyjah, P-Rod, and Koston will tip that scale a little higher, but I imagine the John Fitzgeralds and Bobby Worrests of the world balance it out.

Even when factoring in salaries for SB employees, travel, and a robust flow program, I would bet that the annual cost of entire SB program is still less than 1 year of Lebron.
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And move significantly fewer shoes than does Lebron

 Wasn’t there an article or something that said Janoski is the 2nd best selling Nike athlete after Jordan?

Even so, I’m not really arguing that skating and basketball should be viewed on the same level. I am just trying to put it in perspective from a cost standpoint. They could refine some things, get the team back down to a more manageable number, and probably still be a profitable division of Nike. I think that is more likely than dumping the entire program.
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Post by: urbneathme on April 28, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
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They currently have a 50 person team according to their website. What do you guys think the annual salary is for that entire squad? $15 million tops?

Obviously guys like Nyjah, P-Rod, and Koston will tip that scale a little higher, but I imagine the John Fitzgeralds and Bobby Worrests of the world balance it out.

Even when factoring in salaries for SB employees, travel, and a robust flow program, I would bet that the annual cost of entire SB program is still less than 1 year of Lebron.
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And move significantly fewer shoes than does Lebron
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 Wasn’t there an article or something that said Janoski is the 2nd best selling Nike athlete after Jordan?

Even so, I’m not really arguing that skating and basketball should be viewed on the same level. I am just trying to put it in perspective from a cost standpoint. They could refine some things, get the team back down to a more manageable number, and probably still be a profitable division of Nike. I think that is more likely than dumping the entire program.
janoski is a hologram now because nike didn’t want to pay him a royalty and couldn’t risk him being cancelled. he doesn’t count.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 30, 2021, 07:19:38 PM
Remember when Nike cut Todd Jordan, and skaters everywhere refused to buy another pair again?
Just an FYI, the guy from that meme, the guy laughing, died two days ago (RIP)
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Post by: Joe Davola on April 30, 2021, 07:46:36 PM
Just reminding all of the lurkers out there that no one in this thread truly knows what they are talking about.
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Post by: 2000 on April 30, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
heard they cutting stefan and he gotta change his name to joanski
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 30, 2021, 10:09:39 PM
heard they cutting stefan and he gotta change his name to joanski

Heard they made a new mold after signing this polish kid named Steven jankowski. Nothing signals success like the polish, weather it be business or skateboarding or even defending against invading armies.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Shifty Flip on April 30, 2021, 11:43:52 PM
Might be useful having a brand-talk subform dedicated exclusively to pal's evolving personal relationships with companies/brands

Only if there's a Capital/Nicotine thread stickied at the top.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Swithflip on May 01, 2021, 07:44:32 AM
Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 01, 2021, 07:47:37 AM
I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.

Truly a statement detached from reality.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: bony bawk on May 01, 2021, 09:19:43 AM
I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
aand thats why blake and bobby have pro models shoes right ?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Swithflip on May 01, 2021, 09:31:24 AM
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I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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aand thats why blake and bobby have pro models shoes right ?

Salazar
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: snowballz on May 01, 2021, 09:41:22 AM
Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.

for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Cheshire Cat on May 01, 2021, 10:04:34 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.


Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?

If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: snowballz on May 01, 2021, 10:26:52 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
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Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?


If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.

You said it yourself. It was back then. Nike is so established in skateboarding that they really don't need that core market anymore to be quite honest.

I'm not defending Nike, I'm just looking at it from a suit's perspective.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Idk on May 01, 2021, 10:33:56 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
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Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?


If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.
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You said it yourself. It was back then. Nike is so established in skateboarding that they really don't need that core market anymore to be quite honest.

I'm not defending Nike, I'm just looking at it from a suit's perspective.
Exactly. They won. They are part of the culture now and can do whatever they want. They don’t have to sponsor anyone.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: banksandledges on May 01, 2021, 10:35:00 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
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Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?


If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.
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You said it yourself. It was back then. Nike is so established in skateboarding that they really don't need that core market anymore to be quite honest.

I'm not defending Nike, I'm just looking at it from a suit's perspective.

Pretty much this. A lot has changed since SB inception. The founder Sandy Bodecker passed away, there’s been multiple leadership and direction changes since and the nail in the coffin is their new CEO (look him up and where he comes from). So yes when SB started it was hard to argue they weren’t investing in the skate culture as a whole. Today it’s a whole different ball game and the shops, employees and riders that built the brand no longer matter at this point.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Dwyck on May 01, 2021, 10:54:37 AM
i just think if zion starts winning shit he'd cost them more than blake.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Cheshire Cat on May 01, 2021, 11:04:44 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
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Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?


If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.
[close]

You said it yourself. It was back then. Nike is so established in skateboarding that they really don't need that core market anymore to be quite honest.

I'm not defending Nike, I'm just looking at it from a suit's perspective.
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Pretty much this. A lot has changed since SB inception. The founder Sandy Bodecker passed away, there’s been multiple leadership and direction changes since and the nail in the coffin is their new CEO (look him up and where he comes from). So yes when SB started it was hard to argue they weren’t investing in the skate culture as a whole. Today it’s a whole different ball game and the shops, employees and riders that built the brand no longer matter at this point.

Snowballz I got you, but I'm certainly not suggesting anything I've outlined be thought of as Nike investing in our culture.
Today is totally different, the market is different and a big reason is Nike, their their strategy and how successful it has been. This isn't a judgement in the slightest (or a slight for that matter) but the same people that campaigned against Nike wear them these days.
Literally every 'type' of skater wears Nike shoes.

Honestly, the reason I find this topic so discussion worthy is because of how calculated and successful who Nike picked to represent their brand was.
Fucking obscure ass Dan Murphy for fuck sake.
Chet Childress.
Not to mention the UK team.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: snowballz on May 01, 2021, 11:07:47 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
[close]


Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?


If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.
[close]

You said it yourself. It was back then. Nike is so established in skateboarding that they really don't need that core market anymore to be quite honest.

I'm not defending Nike, I'm just looking at it from a suit's perspective.
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Pretty much this. A lot has changed since SB inception. The founder Sandy Bodecker passed away, there’s been multiple leadership and direction changes since and the nail in the coffin is their new CEO (look him up and where he comes from). So yes when SB started it was hard to argue they weren’t investing in the skate culture as a whole. Today it’s a whole different ball game and the shops, employees and riders that built the brand no longer matter at this point.
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Snowballz I got you, but I'm certainly not suggesting anything I've outlined be thought of as Nike investing in our culture.
Today is totally different, the market is different and a big reason is Nike, their their strategy and how successful it has been. This isn't a judgement in the slightest (or a slight for that matter) but the same people that campaigned against Nike wear them these days.
Literally every 'type' of skater wears Nike shoes.

Honestly, the reason I find this topic so discussion worthy is because of how calculated and successful who Nike picked to represent their brand was.
Fucking obscure ass Dan Murphy for fuck sake.
Chet Childress.
Not to mention the UK team.

It was very evil genius what they did. Nike knew that core East Coast skaters would be their hardest sell, so who did they put on? 3 underground East Coasters (Supa, Reese, Gino) and one Californian for all the LA heads (Mulder)

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: snowballz on May 01, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
i just think if zion starts winning shit he'd cost them more than blake.

Nike doesn't give a shit about cost. They give a shit about ROI.

Let's get hypothetical for a second here, and pretend Zion is still on:

Say Nike pays Blake $20K and he brings the company $25K, 125% ROI.
If Nike pays Zion $40K and he brings in $60K, 150% ROI.

While Zion may be more expensive, Nike would rather keep him, as he's a better return on their investment vs. Blake.

Keep in mind, I'm stoked Blake is on Nike. I hope he stays there. My sentiment was more "I'm surprised the suits haven't kicked him off due to their own ignorance/ only giving a shit about the bottom line."
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: coconut water on May 01, 2021, 11:26:22 AM
Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.

this is totally wrong. guys who think this way are the ones out of touch now

most kids, not just skaters, dress almost exactly like Zion and Alex Midler now. a random mash up of mall clothes, sports wear and big sneaker brands

and not just in America... like everywhere in the world. and especially in the part of America and the world where there are a lot of kids. I.e. like Florida. Zion dresses like every kid in Florida.

"underground" skateboarding is totally NOT important anymore. nobody give a fuck about Ginos push except 40+ old white men. all those folk hero guys should be thankful they were able to milk that shit for so long
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Cheshire Cat on May 01, 2021, 01:31:48 PM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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this is totally wrong. guys who think this way are the ones out of touch now

most kids, not just skaters, dress almost exactly like Zion and Alex Midler now. a random mash up of mall clothes, sports wear and big sneaker brands

and not just in America... like everywhere in the world. and especially in the part of America and the world where there are a lot of kids. I.e. like Florida. Zion dresses like every kid in Florida.

"underground" skateboarding is totally NOT important anymore. nobody give a fuck about Ginos push except 40+ old white men. all those folk hero guys should be thankful they were able to milk that shit for so long


Right, because no 28-39 year old skateboarders who buy Nikes dress like Gino, Blake C, Stefan, Alex Olsen or find those type of dudes more appealing than the MidlerJah skaters.
Also I'm pretty sure you're the one that brought Gino's push up and that you're missing the point here.

Both the Midler clones and cord wearing cool guys buy Nikes and accept Nike because of Nikes deliberate choice of representation in people such as and like Gino +others I and others have mentioned.

The less mainstream / energy drink / SLS, more "underground" skater (of whom here we are talking about seems to be the ridiculously talented Blake) is absolutely important to Nike and their image.
Perhaps more so in their earlier days, yes, but the point remains.

It's almost laughable how obvious or deliberate some of their choices have been direct attempts at bolstering their legitimacy and acceptance. Only its not laughable at all because it worked/ works.

EDIT:
Full disclosure, I buy Nikes to walk, skate and chill in. Sb or not.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Watson on May 01, 2021, 01:57:26 PM
Guys, we got the craziest letter from Nike today. They're setting rival shops up against each other. Whichever shop can commit to placing the biggest orders for the next 2 years, Nike will send the other shop a bunch of stuff they don't wan't and then close their account, putting them out of business.

We lost the bidding war and I got fired and my wife divorced me and I'm homeless and addicted to crack so I'm only gonna wear Lakais from now on.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: friendly dave on May 01, 2021, 02:11:44 PM
Watson over here like
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Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Lame_Nigga on May 01, 2021, 02:35:17 PM
Just checked their team page, and there's 50 people listed on their team. If they hypothetically were to cut to just 10, that's enough for 4-8 teams. How many shoe companies would sprout from the influx of sponsorless riders?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: urbneathme on May 01, 2021, 03:43:26 PM
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i just think if zion starts winning shit he'd cost them more than blake.
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Nike doesn't give a shit about cost. They give a shit about ROI.

Let's get hypothetical for a second here, and pretend Zion is still on:

Say Nike pays Blake $20K and he brings the company $25K, 125% ROI.
If Nike pays Zion $40K and he brings in $60K, 150% ROI.

While Zion may be more expensive, Nike would rather keep him, as he's a better return on their investment vs. Blake.

Keep in mind, I'm stoked Blake is on Nike. I hope he stays there. My sentiment was more "I'm surprised the suits haven't kicked him off due to their own ignorance/ only giving a shit about the bottom line."
the thing is, both of them probably have a negative ROI. kids wear their shoes now because they like the color options and customization potential. zion and blake both don’t have pro models or colorways, so the idea that someone bought shoes because of zion is really difficult to trace. to them, he’s probably just factored into the cost of advertising, not into their greater sales nexus
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Post by: oyolar on May 01, 2021, 05:46:57 PM
We know Nike isn’t cutting their SB program because of all of the astroturfed accounts coming on here and trying to tell us that fucking Blake Carpenter is a cool, underground, memorable skater. It must have cost them millions to get anyone to type that out.
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Post by: gub on May 01, 2021, 07:00:30 PM
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Blake Carpenter
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Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fredgallSOTY on May 01, 2021, 07:37:42 PM
guys i heard nike is gonna do what anti-hero did and split into 6 different teams
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Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on May 02, 2021, 05:56:07 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
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Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?


If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.
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You said it yourself. It was back then. Nike is so established in skateboarding that they really don't need that core market anymore to be quite honest.

I'm not defending Nike, I'm just looking at it from a suit's perspective.
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Pretty much this. A lot has changed since SB inception. The founder Sandy Bodecker passed away, there’s been multiple leadership and direction changes since and the nail in the coffin is their new CEO (look him up and where he comes from). So yes when SB started it was hard to argue they weren’t investing in the skate culture as a whole. Today it’s a whole different ball game and the shops, employees and riders that built the brand no longer matter at this point.

Wait is that what the SB stood for this whole time?
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Post by: Swithflip on May 02, 2021, 06:01:42 AM
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Dude digging Zion and Midler over Blake knows nothing how skateboarding influences the culture.

Man, I dont now, I dont see any skater who dresses like Nyjah or Zion, both dudes only brings hard work and impressive tricks, nothing more.

In other hand, a lot of skaters and young people dresses like Dylan Rieder, JB Gillet, Gino. Underground skate is more important for the culture than mainstream. Nike knows it and thats why you see many unkowledge dudes getting box.

Janoski before pro model was just an underground skater, now the world knows his model. I can tell you, Blake, Bobby and other are more important to Nike than Nyjah, and Nike knows it.
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for every core skater, there are 10 kids who love ppl like zion and midler bc they don't know any better/don't care. it's why revive is outselling most core companies. Keep in mind, i like Blake way more than Zion/Midler. Dude rips, I just don't give a shit about Tum Yeto in general. With skating making it to the olympics, more and more ppl are gonna view skaters as athletes. Zion literally got a shoutout on Ellen. I don't see Blake having that kind of mainstream appeal.

You gotta remember, "core" skating is not exactly a money maker. I don't want skating to go all Nyjah, but it's going that way whether we want to or not.

I'm looking at it purely from Nike's perspective. If they wanted to influence the culture they wouldn't have kicked Max off. They're a corporation at the end of the day. To think they give a shit about skate culture is laughable.
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Nike doesn't give a shit about skate culture obviously, but to say they have never been clever about who they sponsor is silly. "Core" skating/low key skaters  might not be the money maker as you put it, but it's how they became largely accepted.
Why the fuck else would they put Stefan, BA, Omar Salazar and Gino back then?

If they had come in swinging in their earlier days with a full SLS Skateboard Superstar team they would NOT have penetrated the skateboard market the way they have managed to so effectively.
Sure they had P-Rod back then but goddamn didn't he fit the fucking poster boy image for Nike at the time. But it wasn't a team of Prods and Jahs, they have those guys for the mainstream Olympics appeal now.
They knew what they were doing and they obviously still value those more "underground" skaters / with less mainstream appeal.


The only mainstream guy of first nike team was Prod, the rest were core skaters that most of them I never heard before. Why Nikes needs Midler and Zion if they already has Nyjah?
My point is, Nyjah is that marketable as yall are saying? Got kicked of Element, but if his model was doing well, they could renew his contract or pay  him more.
Midler has a lot o fans ? Never went fully on nike and nover rode for  nice boardbrand. You can be a Nyjah fan in your first year of skating, but it changes.
Core skaters rules fashion in the world, here in Brazil nobody want be Nyjah, but every young want be Tiago. Like the influence of TJ has in NY.
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Post by: Lenny the Fatface on May 02, 2021, 07:56:28 AM
This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Vds on May 02, 2021, 08:20:41 AM
This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.

I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
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Post by: Southernmost on May 02, 2021, 11:56:07 AM
Everyone saying these people are of but don’t know if they were kicked of, contracts not renewed, never had a contract maybe only getting boxes. A guy like Zion probably has an agent or lawyer negotiating contracts and can field offers from other big companies. Blake I feel like is more a bro flow or friends with a rep/TM so he can get a sweetheart deal or would be comfortable getting less money or being in the spotlight. Nyjah is probably one of the most popular skateboarders on earth, not here on Slap for obvious reasons. Frat bros and gym guys can relate to him and I see his shoes in the wild fairly often. Janoski maybe didn’t sell his name but not sure if he gets royalties on ever pair sold. Maybe he gets a yearly salary or residual. Lebron signed a lifetime deal with Nike, wouldn’t be surprised if Janoski or P Rod had a similar long time deal with bonuses, goals, pensions etc. I have a bad feeling we’re gonna be seeing Cariumas more often they pop up on my Instagram feed all the time. Wouldn’t mind seeing some core guys leaving Nike start to rep AB Last Resort or State.
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Post by: pointandclick on May 02, 2021, 12:37:44 PM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
something was definitely up with nyjah, shops were being asked to send back all of his shoes by nike for a little bit.
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Post by: Cheshire Cat on May 02, 2021, 02:10:30 PM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
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something was definitely up with nyjah, shops were being asked to send back all of his shoes by nike for a little bit.

Defects?
Copyright infringement?
Rape allegations?
Lizard people?
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Post by: manysnakes on May 02, 2021, 02:58:26 PM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.

(https://i.ibb.co/JtFbr3T/1239119-A-B42-A-4564-A138-474112-EE62-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JtFbr3T)(https://i.ibb.co/W5W9FWR/382-F5-D4-D-2-C39-4-E5-E-9-A1-D-568234-AD2-F78.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W5W9FWR)
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Gbeerme on May 03, 2021, 10:38:19 AM
Well Carl Aikens is now rocking the 3 stripes in his new IG vid. Black Shell Toes with the White toe cap(the joey bast). 

Some flow boxes have definitely slowed down? Is this a Bird/Meza exit result?   




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Post by: hobochimp on May 03, 2021, 01:34:10 PM
Well Carl Aikens is now rocking the 3 stripes in his new IG vid. Black Shell Toes with the White toe cap(the joey bast). 

Some flow boxes have definitely slowed down? Is this a Bird/Meza exit result?

Hosea Peeters just posted a video on vans now. Kinda bummed to see some of these guys not getting boxes anymore
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Post by: Gbeerme on May 03, 2021, 01:39:54 PM
could be why Cory Kennedy has not been seen in Nikes since his release as well.

Opportune time for DC, Lakai, Es, Etnies and Fallen to make a push or emergence of something new.

Vans and Adidas seems filled out. Emerica stagnant mold of brand riders. 

Feeling that iPath or Sheep reboot right about now.
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Post by: HORSES on May 03, 2021, 01:44:53 PM
There's a new Nike SB video coming out soon. Should answer a few questions.
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Post by: Red Eyed Swimmer on May 03, 2021, 01:49:37 PM
could be why Cory Kennedy has not been seen in Nikes since his release as well.

Opportune time for DC, Lakai, Es, Etnies and Fallen to make a push or emergence of something new.

Vans and Adidas seems filled out. Emerica stagnant mold of brand riders. 

Feeling that iPath or Sheep or Duffs reboot right about now.
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Post by: ish_wav on May 03, 2021, 02:15:47 PM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
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something was definitely up with nyjah, shops were being asked to send back all of his shoes by nike for a little bit.

I am not sure about this. We’ve only seen rumors at this point, and we’re still seeing new color ways dropping.
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Post by: sus on May 03, 2021, 02:39:35 PM
doesn't help that a ton of the flow program is getting cut as well
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Post by: Chatbot on May 03, 2021, 04:21:06 PM
More cuts? No pun intended

https://instagram.com/stories/monicatorrs/2565706423139218009?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=1ivw1yxlzpirg
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Post by: pointandclick on May 03, 2021, 05:07:18 PM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
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something was definitely up with nyjah, shops were being asked to send back all of his shoes by nike for a little bit.
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I am not sure about this. We’ve only seen rumors at this point, and we’re still seeing new color ways dropping.
that request came to me straight from nike, but then once we got them boxed up, they said it was cool and we didnt need to send em back.
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Post by: Donkey Lips on May 03, 2021, 06:42:50 PM
Opportune time for… Fallen to make a push or emergence of something new.

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Post by: KUberry on May 03, 2021, 08:29:26 PM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
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something was definitely up with nyjah, shops were being asked to send back all of his shoes by nike for a little bit.
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I am not sure about this. We’ve only seen rumors at this point, and we’re still seeing new color ways dropping.
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that request came to me straight from nike, but then once we got them boxed up, they said it was cool and we didnt need to send em back.

Just so you know, Nyjah resigned with Nike recently, and he got MORE. That is a fact and the details will be public very soon. He also signed with NIKE proper just like his first deal. He is not under the SB imprint although he represents it.
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Post by: Ghost Face on May 03, 2021, 11:41:50 PM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
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something was definitely up with nyjah, shops were being asked to send back all of his shoes by nike for a little bit.
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I am not sure about this. We’ve only seen rumors at this point, and we’re still seeing new color ways dropping.
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that request came to me straight from nike, but then once we got them boxed up, they said it was cool and we didnt need to send em back.
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Just so you know, Nyjah resigned with Nike recently, and he got MORE. That is a fact and the details will be public very soon. He also signed with NIKE proper just like his first deal. He is not under the SB imprint although he represents it.

Well, they haven't posted a single Nyjah clip on their NikeSB IG account in 42weeks.
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Post by: Giza Butler on May 04, 2021, 04:05:12 AM
Just wondering, since someone has made the comparison.

How much is the Nike Basketball budget compared to SB's?

For example, are lesser known basketball teams and leagues getting free gear like a flow/bro will be getting?

How many people are actually getting paid by Nike? How many outside of the US?
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Post by: thunderclap on May 04, 2021, 04:31:21 AM
Just wondering, since someone has made the comparison.

How much is the Nike Basketball budget compared to SB's?

For example, are lesser known basketball teams and leagues getting free gear like a flow/bro will be getting?

How many people are actually getting paid by Nike? How many outside of the US?
Paul George gets $5.5 million per year.
Giannis $10 million
Kyrie $11 million
Durant $26 million
Lebron $32 million (and has a lifetime contract)
All those guys have signature shoes. 284 NBA players in total have a Nike deal, ranging from paid contracts to just free shoes.

Nike sponsors a ton of college and high school basketball teams across the US, as well as the NBA, the WNBA, NBA G-League and USA Basketball (US national team). Just in Oregon alone, they sponsor 75 schools with gear and shoes.

And then they also own Jordan brand...
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on May 04, 2021, 04:36:16 AM
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Just wondering, since someone has made the comparison.

How much is the Nike Basketball budget compared to SB's?

For example, are lesser known basketball teams and leagues getting free gear like a flow/bro will be getting?

How many people are actually getting paid by Nike? How many outside of the US?
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Paul George gets $5.5 million per year.
Giannis $10 million
Kyrie $11 million
Durant $26 million
Lebron $32 million (and has a lifetime contract)
All those guys have signature shoes. 284 NBA players in total have a Nike deal, ranging from paid contracts to just free shoes.

Nike sponsors a ton of college and high school basketball teams across the US, as well as the NBA, the WNBA, NBA G-League and USA Basketball (US national team). Just in Oregon alone, they sponsor 75 schools with gear and shoes.

And then they also own Jordan brand...

And Converse.  Don’t remember if their basketball attempt from a few years ago stuck or not
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 05:33:29 AM
nyjahs shoe is everywhere. haven't seen a single nike skate shoe that often. not even corny dunks.
I totally would get if nike cut all their flow riders. to many that cost and don't make the amount of profit that they are supposed to.
im not even mad at nike. a somehow local hero who happens to be a little better than the rest gets tons of shoes for free most of them limited so he can sell them to make 4 times the amount of money that they were being sold?
that doesn't make me want to have that shoe at all.

as a good non sponsored skateboarder that doesn't make sense. surely I want to see crazy new tricks happening so people need to have skateboarding as their job. but common. buy your own shoes bruh. im skating the same ones since last year and you throw them away after 5 sessions and you get mad at nike for not keeping all of those little curb skating clones around the globe.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 05:42:09 AM
skateboarders always want exceptions for their culture. "no we don't want the big companys." "we don't want shitty shoes." "we want to make a living from riding a toy." "we don't want to market ourselves." "why aren't skateboarders being payed like basketball teams?" "why can't I smoke weed all day and become rich?""why is nike leaving us after they sent us plenty of expensive shoes??".


why don't you just venmo Andrew Reynolds 300 dollars so he can buy a new pack of white non branded shirts and after that go buy a crailtap product before tighting your Indi trucks they seem a little to loose for me
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Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on May 04, 2021, 05:53:43 AM
nike sb program saved by local german park
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 06:04:34 AM
nike sb saved the local skate park in Berlin actually thanks for that. sponsored the whole thing. now they left and its vans who's the new sponsor. still a big support when building and popularizing it.
you think lakai ever gave anything back when they had the sales? no because they are some complete beer drinking fucking skateboarding losers that are to stupid to handle business. not even for the culture. they did nothing.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 06:24:01 AM
oh lakai made a Germany tour called "BRATWURST" like that's the amount of love they give back. 3 team riders skating a park 6 sitting around not doing shit. the hard life of a skateboarder.

fuck core companys. fuck skateboarders. I like human beings. I hate most skaters for the amount of stupidity in their fucking stupid ass brain. fuck core skateboarding and all their greedy loser bosses making shitty shoes for 34 old "I understand capitalism" fuck heads. fuck you and your pretentious smart acting.


the amount of scamming crailtap has done is insane. in my opinion some the pros deserve to land on the streets or in jail. you are telling me you build up expectations for tricks for the pro you got on your team for damn near 20 year and all they film is a 30s-1min clip of a fs noslide and a 5-0 stall kick flip out? that's insane to have that as your job.
people build houses, streets, homes for people to live in. they wipe the shitty asses of grandpas every single day and only get a tiny amount of the money a pro gets over the years.
and y'all complain if not those guys have to buy themselves shoes in the near future for not wanting to have even the tiniest amount of marketing going on.

completly insane
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Post by: bigdave on May 04, 2021, 06:39:09 AM
oh lakai made a Germany tour called "BRATWURST" like that's the amount of love they give back. 3 team riders skating a park 6 sitting around not doing shit. the hard life of a skateboarder.

fuck core companys. fuck skateboarders. I like human beings. I hate most skaters for the amount of stupidity in their fucking stupid ass brain. fuck core skateboarding and all their greedy loser bosses making shitty shoes for 34 old "I understand capitalism" fuck heads. fuck you and your pretentious smart acting.


the amount of scamming crailtap has done is insane. in my opinion some the pros deserve to land on the streets or in jail. you are telling me you build up expectations for tricks for the pro you got on your team for damn near 20 year and all they film is a 30s-1min clip of a fs noslide and a 5-0 stall kick flip out? that's insane to have that as your job.
people build houses, streets, homes for people to live in. they wipe the shitty asses of grandpas every single day and only get a tiny amount of the money a pro gets over the years.
and y'all complain if not those guys have to buy themselves shoes in the near future for not wanting to have even the tiniest amount of marketing going on.

completly insane


u mad bro
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Post by: jerrygurneyscream on May 04, 2021, 06:40:31 AM
I would like to see Max Palmer of Nike and on Last Resort please.

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Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Murge on May 04, 2021, 06:43:29 AM
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oh lakai made a Germany tour called "BRATWURST" like that's the amount of love they give back. 3 team riders skating a park 6 sitting around not doing shit. the hard life of a skateboarder.

fuck core companys. fuck skateboarders. I like human beings. I hate most skaters for the amount of stupidity in their fucking stupid ass brain. fuck core skateboarding and all their greedy loser bosses making shitty shoes for 34 old "I understand capitalism" fuck heads. fuck you and your pretentious smart acting.


the amount of scamming crailtap has done is insane. in my opinion some the pros deserve to land on the streets or in jail. you are telling me you build up expectations for tricks for the pro you got on your team for damn near 20 year and all they film is a 30s-1min clip of a fs noslide and a 5-0 stall kick flip out? that's insane to have that as your job.
people build houses, streets, homes for people to live in. they wipe the shitty asses of grandpas every single day and only get a tiny amount of the money a pro gets over the years.
and y'all complain if not those guys have to buy themselves shoes in the near future for not wanting to have even the tiniest amount of marketing going on.

completly insane
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u mad bro

Oh he’s BIG mad.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 06:50:39 AM
all im saying is if nike leaves some team riders behind they still did more for skateboarding than most core skatecompanys have.


yes im mad that demo sucked and made me rethink what my favorite skateboarders do for living while my family struggles to make a living while having 9/5 jobs.
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Post by: shannamal on May 04, 2021, 07:26:07 AM
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This is all nonsense

Nyjah is the most marketable skateboarder alive right now hands down. The core community isn’t as high on him, but crossover appeal matters way more in marketing.  There’s tons of examples of this in many different fields. Both of Nyjah’s shoes double as workout shoes for a reason.
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I don't think so. I haven't seen any product with his name on the streets  for years.
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something was definitely up with nyjah, shops were being asked to send back all of his shoes by nike for a little bit.
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I am not sure about this. We’ve only seen rumors at this point, and we’re still seeing new color ways dropping.
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that request came to me straight from nike, but then once we got them boxed up, they said it was cool and we didnt need to send em back.

maybe they were fuckin with you
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 07:34:49 AM
Lakai wants more market share to. Everyone in this business wants it. Its not like nike came bought all people and thats it. Nike has made the most loved shoes in sneaker history and continued to do the same in skateboarding.
Janoski isnt a top tier pro. Yet they trusted him and made one of the best selling shoes of all time. It was worth for both and the culture.
Skateboarding loves to steal designs from nike and fashion in general, much more often than its the other way around and everytime some company takes something from skating you guys go insane.
Why would i give a shit if mike Caroll or a guy at nike gets my money. Both have the same amount of skate footage each year, none, both never gave a fuck about me.

Both uses shitty china factories.
Id rather look cool in my nikes tbh.
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Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on May 04, 2021, 07:45:57 AM
Lakai wants more market share to. Everyone in this business wants it. Its not like nike came bought all people and thats it. Nike has made the most loved shoes in sneaker history and continued to do the same in skateboarding.
Janoski isnt a top tier pro. Yet they trusted him and made one of the best selling shoes of all time. It was worth for both and the culture.
Skateboarding loves to steal designs from nike and fashion in general, much more often than its the other way around and everytime some company takes something from skating you guys go insane.
Why would i give a shit if mike Caroll or a guy at nike gets my money. Both have the same amount of skate footage each year, none, both never gave a fuck about me.

Both uses shitty china factories.
Id rather look cool in my nikes tbh.

post a fit, fuckboy
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Post by: exlurker on May 04, 2021, 07:50:06 AM
All i'm saying is that McDonalds has done more for skating than ANY core company. Fuck you Mike Carroll - you want all this money from me, and yet you have NEVER sold a decent mcnugget in your pathetic life. Save me your precious "skater-owned" bullshit - call me when I can buy my family a Lakai dinner for 15 dollars
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Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 08:02:37 AM
that causality doesn't make sense since it has nothing to do with making skate products.
it be the same if you'd say mcdonalds makes the best burgers on the planet instead of smaller burger shops but It really isn't the same because since non of you guys pay more than nike shoes to get something better than a nike shoes it doesn't make sense.
also you can't make shoes at home but burgers.
also mcdonalds burgers are produced very quickly in low quality. nike has far better rubber and quality than f.e. globe shoes that get mass produced.
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Post by: ChuckRamone on May 04, 2021, 08:22:49 AM
all im saying is if nike leaves some team riders behind they still did more for skateboarding than most core skatecompanys have.


yes im mad that demo sucked and made me rethink what my favorite skateboarders do for living while my family struggles to make a living while having 9/5 jobs.

Skateboarders should own skateboard companies. Not because they're good people but because they're skateboarders. Also, you contradict yourself. You say both skater-owned and non-skater-owned companies only care about money, and argue against viewing this morally. Then you say but non-skater-owned companies have given back more to skating than skater-owned companies, making a moral argument.

The first is actually correct. We shouldn't view this morally. We should view it as a power struggle and skaters should have the power in skateboarding whether they're "good" people or not.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 08:25:07 AM
Lakai wants more market share to. Everyone in this business wants it. Its not like nike came bought all people and thats it. Nike has made the most loved shoes in sneaker history and continued to do the same in skateboarding.
Janoski isnt a top tier pro. Yet they trusted him and made one of the best selling shoes of all time. It was worth for both and the culture.
Skateboarding loves to steal designs from nike and fashion in general, much more often than its the other way around and everytime some company takes something from skating you guys go insane.
Why would i give a shit if mike Caroll or a guy at nike gets my money. Both have the same amount of skate footage each year, none, both never gave a fuck about me.

Both uses shitty china factories.
Id rather look cool in my nikes tbh.

That’s the thing, what is (insert your shoe brand here) but a less successful Nike? Do you think that Etnies doesn’t want Nike’s cultural capital or market share? Do people think Lakai is a worker-run co-op making shoes from organic cotton and rubber?

As usual, people are complaining that the culture around the toy they love is changing at the same time they are growing too old to be effectively marketed to. The only way to win is not to play.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
All i'm saying is that McDonalds has done more for skating than ANY core company. Fuck you Mike Carroll - you want all this money from me, and yet you have NEVER sold a decent mcnugget in your pathetic life. Save me your precious "skater-owned" bullshit - call me when I can buy my family a Lakai dinner for 15 dollars

The companies you love are not doing anything for “the culture”; they are marketing products to you in order to reap a profit. The rub here is that Nike’s marketing is larger and different in a way that scares skaters.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on May 04, 2021, 08:34:35 AM
Is this gonna turn into another "no ethical consumption under capitalism" thread ?
Because I agree but I still prefer my money NOT going to nike
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 08:40:37 AM
Is this gonna turn into another "no ethical consumption under capitalism" thread ?
Because I agree but I still prefer my money NOT going to nike

That’s fine, we all have our buying preferences. I don’t care so long as you’re not skating endangered White Rhino leather sneakers.

Reducing skate culture to consumptive habits is why a company like Nike would want to be a major player in skateboarding. Skaters are more attached to brands than most other consumers, only we believe for some reason that NHS, SoleTech, HSP all have our best interests at heart and protect the culture, when in reality the culture was always the product.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Ankle_Lift on May 04, 2021, 08:40:51 AM

Id rather look cool in my nikes tbh.

Nikes look cool?

I guess if you're a 10 year old on Instagram posting slow-Motion nightmare flips or whatever to trap music, they probably look cool to the other 10 year olds who are watching.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 08:57:44 AM

i dont connect nike to the 10 year old instagram skater edit I have a connection in my brain with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Michael Jordan and all those people making insane things while wearing nike.
I know you all have something against athletic things but id rather get hyped on somebody making something insane with his body and its borders than a alcoholic skater complaining about a paycheck while doing absolutely nothing relevant in his career and being ok with it. even milking companies for checks without actually being productive.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Coldpizza on May 04, 2021, 09:03:04 AM
all im saying is if nike leaves some team riders behind they still did more for skateboarding than most core skatecompanys have.


yes im mad that demo sucked and made me rethink what my favorite skateboarders do for living while my family struggles to make a living while having 9/5 jobs.
In all honesty, you should be more upset about “workload” to income ratio with a lot of Nike employees. I won’t say Nike has done nothing for skateboarding, but to think that they have done more for skate culture than someone like Carroll is just foolish. You like Nikes, great, but maybe turn that same lense you have on “your favorite pros” towards that global corporation you’re so eagerly defending.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 09:11:06 AM
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all im saying is if nike leaves some team riders behind they still did more for skateboarding than most core skatecompanys have.


yes im mad that demo sucked and made me rethink what my favorite skateboarders do for living while my family struggles to make a living while having 9/5 jobs.
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In all honesty, you should be more upset about “workload” to income ratio with a lot of Nike employees. I won’t say Nike has done nothing for skateboarding, but to think that they have done more for skate culture than someone like Carroll is just foolish. You like Nikes, great, but maybe turn that same lense you have on “your favorite pros” towards that global corporation you’re so eagerly defending.

what has mike carroll done for someone like me?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ChuckRamone on May 04, 2021, 09:12:41 AM
Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: eranka on May 04, 2021, 09:13:38 AM
All i'm saying is that McDonalds has done more for skating than ANY core company. Fuck you Mike Carroll - you want all this money from me, and yet you have NEVER sold a decent mcnugget in your pathetic life. Save me your precious "skater-owned" bullshit - call me when I can buy my family a Lakai dinner for 15 dollars
Craig sold sub par skateboards for years, selling shitty decks to skaters hurt the scene more than anything. i dont care how core you are, the second you sell shitty gear youre out. its cool that they gave their homies a good salary, but in the big picture Crail is a horrible company, from selling shitty gear to not fully hooking up some of the biggest talents in the last 15 years and keeping them in a shitty sponsor limbo, hell, they fucking burned out Travis Stenger, for that alone they should be done as a company.
i really want to like Crail because they do have some of my favorite skaters in their team, but the more i think about it the less i like them.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
i want it to go to the guy who gives me the best product while still reinvesting the money in the culture.
that's what nike did over the last decade. more than they probably should have.

i also find it bad that those factories don't give a shit about the workers but I don't believe it looks any different at lakai etnies etc.

also the creativity you guys seem to miss so much in shoe design:

every alternative made out of eco friendly parts always looks like a boring converse one star or a vans old skool.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 09:37:12 AM
Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.

Insane that anyone would care which rich guy got the profit from the purchase of a pair of shoes made by a contractor in a third world factory.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 04, 2021, 09:41:07 AM
Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ChuckRamone on May 04, 2021, 09:41:22 AM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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Insane that anyone would care which rich guy got the profit from the purchase of a pair of shoes made by a contractor in a third world factory.

It's not insane because skateboarders should be in charge of their own industry. If given the choice, I will always buy from people who are actually from the scene, and that's not just skateboarding.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 09:53:04 AM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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Insane that anyone would care which rich guy got the profit from the purchase of a pair of shoes made by a contractor in a third world factory.
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It's not insane because skateboarders should be in charge of their own industry.

Why? Does this extend to the countless other companies in the industry owned by non-skaters? Everything from NHS and High-Speed Productions comes to mind.

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If given the choice, I will always buy from people who are actually from the scene, and that's not just skateboarding.

So you don’t care who exploits third world labor, so long as the person doing it cares about “the scene”?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on May 04, 2021, 09:55:11 AM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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Insane that anyone would care which rich guy got the profit from the purchase of a pair of shoes made by a contractor in a third world factory.
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It's not insane because skateboarders should be in charge of their own industry.
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Why? Does this extend to the countless other companies in the industry owned by non-skaters? Everything from NHS and High-Speed Productions comes to mind.

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If given the choice, I will always buy from people who are actually from the scene, and that's not just skateboarding.
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So you don’t care who exploits third world labor, so long as the person doing it cares about “the scene”?

No he's saying that if both companies suck, at least he's giving money to the one a bit connected to the culture
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 09:55:44 AM
Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.

Half of my point here is that “harm reduction” via selecting a different brand of shoe made in materially similar conditions by third world laborers is effectively meaningless.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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Insane that anyone would care which rich guy got the profit from the purchase of a pair of shoes made by a contractor in a third world factory.
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It's not insane because skateboarders should be in charge of their own industry.
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Why? Does this extend to the countless other companies in the industry owned by non-skaters? Everything from NHS and High-Speed Productions comes to mind.

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If given the choice, I will always buy from people who are actually from the scene, and that's not just skateboarding.
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So you don’t care who exploits third world labor, so long as the person doing it cares about “the scene”?
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No he's saying that if both companies suck, at least he's giving money to the one a bit connected to the culture

And the other half of my point is that “the culture”, especially in regards to which product you consume, exists primarily as marketing. “Culture” should not be Lakai footwear, and by whatever standard these brands are “part of the culture”, how is Nike, with their (maybe now former) large team of pro skaters, flow riders, videos, skateparks, events, etc. any less a part of it?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 04, 2021, 10:01:15 AM
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Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.
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Half of my point here is that “harm reduction” via selecting a different brand of shoe made in materially similar conditions by third world laborers is effectively meaningless.

Perhaps, but there's a lot of info out there showing that Nike is a uniquely bad actor owing to the size and scope of their global operations.  It's really pathetic that "voting with our dollars" is the only apparent recourse, but isn't the alternative just callous indifference, if not making your own shit?  I honestly don't know, but I could hardly blame someone for wanting to support a company that only makes a few dozen or hundred workers' lives harder as opposed to one that immiserates thousands or tens of thousands. 
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Coldpizza on May 04, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
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all im saying is if nike leaves some team riders behind they still did more for skateboarding than most core skatecompanys have.


yes im mad that demo sucked and made me rethink what my favorite skateboarders do for living while my family struggles to make a living while having 9/5 jobs.
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In all honesty, you should be more upset about “workload” to income ratio with a lot of Nike employees. I won’t say Nike has done nothing for skateboarding, but to think that they have done more for skate culture than someone like Carroll is just foolish. You like Nikes, great, but maybe turn that same lense you have on “your favorite pros” towards that global corporation you’re so eagerly defending.
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what has mike carroll done for someone like me?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDb9PkXYAQpoFg.jpg)
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: NorthShore on May 04, 2021, 10:05:03 AM
Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.

Good point, but just to be clear here: In the early 1990s, a former Airwalk employee set up a process with shoe factories in Korea and later other countries in the region and helped 'core' shoe companies manufacture shoes over there. With huge profit margins.

Do you think these factories were practicing sound environmental or labor practices?

Did the 'core' shoe companies care?

Have you smelled a warehouse full of 'core' shoes in the 1990s? It was like walking into a glue factory.

Looking back, a lot of 'core' shoes since the 1990s have been interchangeable product made for cheap with a logo slapped on for legitimacy. Everyone needs to judge for themselves what constitutes a well-made shoe.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 04, 2021, 10:14:05 AM
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Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.
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Good point, but just to be clear here: In the early 1990s, a former Airwalk employee set up a process with shoe factories in Korea and later other countries in the region and helped 'core' shoe companies manufacture shoes over there. With huge profit margins.

Do you think these factories were practicing sound environmental or labor practices?

Did the 'core' shoe companies care?

Have you smelled a warehouse full of 'core' shoes in the 1990s? It was like walking into a glue factory.

Looking back, a lot of 'core' shoes since the 1990s have been interchangeable product made for cheap with a logo slapped on for legitimacy. Everyone needs to judge for themselves what constitutes a well-made shoe.

I concede all that, I don't think there's anything better about the actual manner in which core companies manufacture their goods.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mcidraque on May 04, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.

thread finished. nuff said
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mcidraque on May 04, 2021, 10:21:16 AM

It's not insane because skateboarders should be in charge of their own industry. If given the choice, I will always buy from people who are actually from the scene, and that's not just skateboarding.

also this
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ChuckRamone on May 04, 2021, 10:21:44 AM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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Insane that anyone would care which rich guy got the profit from the purchase of a pair of shoes made by a contractor in a third world factory.
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It's not insane because skateboarders should be in charge of their own industry.
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Why? Does this extend to the countless other companies in the industry owned by non-skaters? Everything from NHS and High-Speed Productions comes to mind.

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If given the choice, I will always buy from people who are actually from the scene, and that's not just skateboarding.
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So you don’t care who exploits third world labor, so long as the person doing it cares about “the scene”?

Yes. I try to buy from skater-owned companies as much as possible, like State, Deluxe, etc. I'm still on Indys because of old habit but I'm thinking of trying out the new Aces.

I think bringing up overseas factories just confuses the issue since all shoes are made that way right now. So I don't even consider that aspect. Then the deciding factor for me becomes supporting skaters over outsiders.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: exlurker on May 04, 2021, 11:18:07 AM
So we might as well bow down before the largest multi-national corporation in the game, which is now on its 3rd attempt to infiltrate the culture, after two catastrophic previous attempts which they dropped immediately. This 3rd one has been pretty fucking lame too, if you ask me, but there's no accounting for taste i guess. Obviously Adidas/NB/etc are also guility of culture vulture-ish venturism, but no company has been as obvious and hamfisted at it as Nike. Any of these will absolutely pull out of skating the moment the balance sheet tips, but we especially know that with nike - they've done it twice before.

There's not a pro-Nike argument in here that isn't 100% whataboutism, but behind the scenes i'm betting it's just lingering sneakerhead fetishism. I'd respect it more if you actually owned it and made that your main argument. Otherwise everything Nike has "done " for skateboarding has been lame or forgettable



Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Lowcalcium on May 04, 2021, 11:22:30 AM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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thread finished. nuff said

Mike Carroll's history in skateboarding: (born August 24, 1975) is a professional skateboarder from Daly City, California, United States. He is the co-founder and vice-president of Girl Skateboards and the co-founder of Lakai Limited Footwear.[2] He was also instrumental in the creation of the Chocolate Skateboards subdivision of Girl. Furthermore, Carroll is known for being in the vanguard of innovative, technical, and stylish street skateboarding in the early 1990s and beyond. The success of skateboarding videos like Hokus Pokus, Ban This! and Video Days firmly ensconced street as the premier variation of skating (a position formally held by freestyle and especially vert skateboarding).[3]

Nike CEO, John Donahoe's history in skateboarding:  (born April 30, 1960)[1] is an American businessman who is the CEO of Nike. Early in his career he worked for Bain & Company, becoming the firm's president and CEO in 1999.[2] He is on the board of directors at Nike,[3] The Bridgespan Group [4] and is chairman of PayPal. Donahoe was named president and CEO of ServiceNow, a cloud company, in February 2017.[5][6] He served on the Board of Trustees of Dartmouth College from 2003 to 2012.[7] On January 13, 2020, Donahoe became president and CEO of Nike.

You decide, who probably deserves to sell skate shoes
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: augustmoon on May 04, 2021, 11:24:11 AM
.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.

this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 04, 2021, 11:31:50 AM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day

Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: essal on May 04, 2021, 11:38:08 AM
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Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.
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Good point, but just to be clear here: In the early 1990s, a former Airwalk employee set up a process with shoe factories in Korea and later other countries in the region and helped 'core' shoe companies manufacture shoes over there. With huge profit margins.

Do you think these factories were practicing sound environmental or labor practices?

Did the 'core' shoe companies care?

Have you smelled a warehouse full of 'core' shoes in the 1990s? It was like walking into a glue factory.

Looking back, a lot of 'core' shoes since the 1990s have been interchangeable product made for cheap with a logo slapped on for legitimacy. Everyone needs to judge for themselves what constitutes a well-made shoe.
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I concede all that, I don't think there's anything better about the actual manner in which core companies manufacture their goods.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
you're not paying attention to the textiles industry at all are you? nike has open factory lists, you can trace their entire process start to finish and i'm sure they have csr audits that are public. large factories, like the ones nike use, are very often the best factories simply because of their client list demands it. Lakai could demand way stricter policies and have them complied with- but you're the one who would be paying for it; and lets face it, we aren't willing to pay more money for Lakais and not even fucking lena dunham is going to help pull any significant amount of socially conscience customers...
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: augustmoon on May 04, 2021, 11:41:15 AM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.


Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 04, 2021, 12:01:48 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D

It's cool how you just admit you can't really understand the things you read. Pretty brave to own it like that, actually.

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Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.
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Good point, but just to be clear here: In the early 1990s, a former Airwalk employee set up a process with shoe factories in Korea and later other countries in the region and helped 'core' shoe companies manufacture shoes over there. With huge profit margins.

Do you think these factories were practicing sound environmental or labor practices?

Did the 'core' shoe companies care?

Have you smelled a warehouse full of 'core' shoes in the 1990s? It was like walking into a glue factory.

Looking back, a lot of 'core' shoes since the 1990s have been interchangeable product made for cheap with a logo slapped on for legitimacy. Everyone needs to judge for themselves what constitutes a well-made shoe.
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I concede all that, I don't think there's anything better about the actual manner in which core companies manufacture their goods.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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you're not paying attention to the textiles industry at all are you? nike has open factory lists, you can trace their entire process start to finish and i'm sure they have csr audits that are public. large factories, like the ones nike use, are very often the best factories simply because of their client list demands it. Lakai could demand way stricter policies and have them complied with- but you're the one who would be paying for it; and lets face it, we aren't willing to pay more money for Lakais and not even fucking lena dunham is going to help pull any significant amount of socially conscience customers...

Lol, you got me, I have a demanding career, a family, a household to keep running, other hobbies, etc., so my I haven't followed the textiles industry in as much granular detail as I have in the past. 

Besides, I can admit literally all of that and it doesn't really reach my point.  My point is that while those factories might be "the best" (however you're defining that), those operations are still large-scale labor abuse and environmental ruin machines.  (So, not "the best" how I'm defining it.) If Nike were held to higher standards, then the whole industry would likely at least start to move in the same direction. Here's the real important thing, though, which I didn't make as clear as I should have: this is extremely improbable because Nike sets its own standards, which it does not based upon how good something is for the environment or its workers, but upon what will maximize profits. 

The whole problem is that Nike is simply too powerful and too entrenched in the global economy to change without wanting to first.  And changes in consumer's buying habits will likely never amount to as much as it would take to get Nike to want to change, even if a cultural force as universally admired and respected as Lena Dunham (not Lena Dunham!) threw her support behind it.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 04, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Hilarious when people use the words Nike and culture in the same sentence.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: shannamal on May 04, 2021, 12:32:56 PM
buncha behind the scenes dudes at nike just got cut. there could be truth to this rumor this time
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 12:44:17 PM
Hilarious when people use the words Nike and culture in the same sentence.


its fucking hilarious how you don't understand modern day culture because you live under a tiny skate rock like a fucking ant.

https://youtu.be/diIFhc_Kzng (https://youtu.be/diIFhc_Kzng)

do you know this fucking song? this is culture you idiot. not saying you have to love anything about it but nike is a HUGE part of modern day culture.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
you are really saying if it wasn't for nike standards lakai would make better shoes? lmao its the complete opposite.
if it wasn't for the very good functioning nike shoes lakai would still have some relevance but they don't because their shoes are worse.

cariuma looks like vans old skool and last resort like converse one stars cc.
there is no creativity in those designs. making money of big corporations designs. fucking lame.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 04, 2021, 12:52:12 PM
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Hilarious when people use the words Nike and culture in the same sentence.
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its fucking hilarious how you don't understand modern day culture because you live under a tiny skate rock like a fucking ant.

https://youtu.be/diIFhc_Kzng (https://youtu.be/diIFhc_Kzng)

do you know this fucking song? this is culture you idiot. not saying you have to love anything about it but nike is a HUGE part of modern day culture.

Lol

You'll say anything for nike won't you
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D

This is essentially what’s being argued here, along with the idea that Mike Carroll, by virtue of being a skateboarder, is deserving of the profits from the labor of third world contractors.

And notice we can really only talk about Lakai, because they are ostensibly the only skater-owned shoe company - to such an extent that posters here are apologizing for riding Indy trucks, because otherwise the argument falls apart.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Coldpizza on May 04, 2021, 01:04:16 PM
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its fucking hilarious how you don't understand modern day culture because you live under a tiny skate rock like a fucking ant.

https://youtu.be/diIFhc_Kzng (https://youtu.be/diIFhc_Kzng)

do you know this fucking song? this is culture you idiot. not saying you have to love anything about it but nike is a HUGE part of modern day culture.
And here you are redirecting again. No one is arguing the broad cultural impact of Nike as a whole you dolt.
Please, aside from making shoes that people like to skate, fill me in on what Nike has done for the culture of skateboarding?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on May 04, 2021, 01:12:00 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D
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This is essentially what’s being argued here, along with the idea that Mike Carroll, by virtue of being a skateboarder, is deserving of the profits from the labor of third world contractors.

And notice we can really only talk about Lakai, because they are ostensibly the only skater-owned shoe company - to such an extent that posters here are apologizing for riding Indy trucks, because otherwise the argument falls apart.

You have good points but you're getting salty man
We're talking about carroll and lakai because that's the example fs180 used
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 04, 2021, 01:15:36 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D
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This is essentially what’s being argued here, along with the idea that Mike Carroll, by virtue of being a skateboarder, is deserving of the profits from the labor of third world contractors.

And notice we can really only talk about Lakai, because they are ostensibly the only skater-owned shoe company - to such an extent that posters here are apologizing for riding Indy trucks, because otherwise the argument falls apart.

No one is mad that you skate Nikes.  Basically nothing is manufactured ethically but that doesn't mean Nike isn't running a clinic on how to be an evil corporation.  If Nike used less harmful practices, regulatory policy would likely follow the gajillion dollar company's lead (like it observably does in every fucking industry) and other commercial actors would then have reason to follow their lead.  But they won't until there are commercial reasons that push them in that direction. 

Like I said, keep skating whatever shoes you want, it's up to you to decide what monsters of the global economy you shell out to.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 01:18:17 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D
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This is essentially what’s being argued here, along with the idea that Mike Carroll, by virtue of being a skateboarder, is deserving of the profits from the labor of third world contractors.

And notice we can really only talk about Lakai, because they are ostensibly the only skater-owned shoe company - to such an extent that posters here are apologizing for riding Indy trucks, because otherwise the argument falls apart.
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You have good points but you're getting salty man
We're talking about carroll and lakai because that's the example fs180 used

I don’t think I’m being salty, I’m just pointing out that, wrt shoes, if your argument against Nike is that shoes companies ought to be skater-owned, then as far as I know, the only widely available shoe in this category is Lakai. This demonstrates the flimsiness of the argument, since so many of the brands with which skaters identify are essentially faceless corporate conglomerates of one kind or another.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 04, 2021, 01:19:17 PM
"funny how somebody uses nike and culture in one sentence" implies that nike isn't culture. it is.

as I said, they build skateparks like the one in berlin, they sponsor way to many people without having the need of doing it.
surely they want more market share and more money but who of these companies doesn't.
in my eyes you should either buy nikes/Adidas or some small business like last resort. everything in between has the biggest potential to be a shit shoe with shit labors under shitty circumstances.

i trust my feet a lot more nike who can survive a bad year without having drastic changes in quality.
the story about the fallen warehouse being flooded is just one of the examples how small these companies are even though they simlingly make big money and have a common name.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 04, 2021, 01:25:47 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D
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This is essentially what’s being argued here, along with the idea that Mike Carroll, by virtue of being a skateboarder, is deserving of the profits from the labor of third world contractors.

And notice we can really only talk about Lakai, because they are ostensibly the only skater-owned shoe company - to such an extent that posters here are apologizing for riding Indy trucks, because otherwise the argument falls apart.
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No one is mad that you skate Nikes.  Basically nothing is manufactured ethically but that doesn't mean Nike isn't running a clinic on how to be an evil corporation.  If Nike used less harmful practices, regulatory policy would likely follow the gajillion dollar company's lead (like it observably does in every fucking industry) and other commercial actors would then have reason to follow their lead.  But they won't until there are commercial reasons that push them in that direction. 

Like I said, keep skating whatever shoes you want, it's up to you to decide what monsters of the global economy you shell out to.

I don’t skate Nikes. Please don’t confuse my argument for an advocacy for a particular brand. I’m just trying to emphasize here the extent to which what we identify as “skate culture” has always been sold to us by non-skaters, and the futility of individual, uncoordinated buying decisions to effect change.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: essal on May 04, 2021, 01:59:37 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D
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It's cool how you just admit you can't really understand the things you read. Pretty brave to own it like that, actually.

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Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.
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Good point, but just to be clear here: In the early 1990s, a former Airwalk employee set up a process with shoe factories in Korea and later other countries in the region and helped 'core' shoe companies manufacture shoes over there. With huge profit margins.

Do you think these factories were practicing sound environmental or labor practices?

Did the 'core' shoe companies care?

Have you smelled a warehouse full of 'core' shoes in the 1990s? It was like walking into a glue factory.

Looking back, a lot of 'core' shoes since the 1990s have been interchangeable product made for cheap with a logo slapped on for legitimacy. Everyone needs to judge for themselves what constitutes a well-made shoe.
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I concede all that, I don't think there's anything better about the actual manner in which core companies manufacture their goods.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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you're not paying attention to the textiles industry at all are you? nike has open factory lists, you can trace their entire process start to finish and i'm sure they have csr audits that are public. large factories, like the ones nike use, are very often the best factories simply because of their client list demands it. Lakai could demand way stricter policies and have them complied with- but you're the one who would be paying for it; and lets face it, we aren't willing to pay more money for Lakais and not even fucking lena dunham is going to help pull any significant amount of socially conscience customers...
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Lol, you got me, I have a demanding career, a family, a household to keep running, other hobbies, etc., so my I haven't followed the textiles industry in as much granular detail as I have in the past. 

Besides, I can admit literally all of that and it doesn't really reach my point.  My point is that while those factories might be "the best" (however you're defining that), those operations are still large-scale labor abuse and environmental ruin machines.  (So, not "the best" how I'm defining it.) If Nike were held to higher standards, then the whole industry would likely at least start to move in the same direction. Here's the real important thing, though, which I didn't make as clear as I should have: this is extremely improbable because Nike sets its own standards, which it does not based upon how good something is for the environment or its workers, but upon what will maximize profits. 

The whole problem is that Nike is simply too powerful and too entrenched in the global economy to change without wanting to first.  And changes in consumer's buying habits will likely never amount to as much as it would take to get Nike to want to change, even if a cultural force as universally admired and respected as Lena Dunham (not Lena Dunham!) threw her support behind it.
I've worked in the textile industry for the last 10+ years.

Nike is a longtime member of SAC, which runs the HIGG indexes. That means, very simplified, that Nike is one of the brands that hold themselves to the highest standards in the textiles mass manufacturing world when it comes to sustainability and ethical treatment of workers. So your statement is incorrect, because HIGGs is what the industry uses to define CSR metrics and it's independent from any of the brands.

no company whos main business is selling or even making product has "how good it is for the environment" as their key metric. You can however read several of Nikes public investor reports on sustainability here: https://purpose.nike.com/reports (https://purpose.nike.com/reports)
(it's actually an interesting read if you give a rats ass about sustainability in the textiles industry)

consumer behavior is why you have SAC and HIGGs index. It's why Nike publishes their reports and keeps their factory list public. That's holding them to a higher standard that no core skateshoe brand (that I'm aware of) is being held to. If you don't think it's high enough, that's on you- and if so I hope your normal jeans cost $200 rather than $20.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Utopos on May 04, 2021, 02:11:18 PM
Find me a skater owned shoe company that can actually make a decent shoe and I will 100% support them. I have run through 90% of the "core" brands and nothing works as well as Nike. I had foot pain for years skating Lakai, I even threw in those gamechanger insoles. About a month into my first pair of blazer mids and the pain was drastically less.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 04, 2021, 02:20:21 PM
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.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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this is fucking hilarious.  thanks for giving me a nice little chuckle to start my day
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Not sure why it's "fucking hilarious" to point out that industry leaders call the shots for how their entire industry is run.  Also not sure what's funny about the rest of it, but hey, glad you're easily amused by your ability to experience cheap contempt.
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Lakai's labor practices if Nike never made skate shoes:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cKaD2Q.jpg)

sure thing buddy ;D
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It's cool how you just admit you can't really understand the things you read. Pretty brave to own it like that, actually.

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Maybe they use bad labor practices, but the reality is that buying skater owned (while you still can) means your money does not go to a globe-spanning behemoth that causes unfathomable environmental harm and human suffering in literally dozens of nations because it's so much cheaper to make every possible kind of shoe and garment when they ravage the land and work their child slaves to death. 

Core companies are literally incapable of that degree of harm just by virtue of being that much smaller and more focused on the skate market, as opposed to trying to take over every aspect of the global shoe and athletic equipment marketplace they possibly can.  Perhaps buying core is harm reduction?  I mostly skate Adidas these days so I'm not perfect on this count by any stretch, but it's food for thought.
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Good point, but just to be clear here: In the early 1990s, a former Airwalk employee set up a process with shoe factories in Korea and later other countries in the region and helped 'core' shoe companies manufacture shoes over there. With huge profit margins.

Do you think these factories were practicing sound environmental or labor practices?

Did the 'core' shoe companies care?

Have you smelled a warehouse full of 'core' shoes in the 1990s? It was like walking into a glue factory.

Looking back, a lot of 'core' shoes since the 1990s have been interchangeable product made for cheap with a logo slapped on for legitimacy. Everyone needs to judge for themselves what constitutes a well-made shoe.
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I concede all that, I don't think there's anything better about the actual manner in which core companies manufacture their goods.  However, If Nike were held accountable (not by skaters, but people with power or an overwhelming number of ordinary people) and forced to change its practices, you'd better believe Lakai would have to as well.  Put differently: the whole reason why e.g. Lakai has such low standards for its labor and environmental practices is because an actor like Nike has succeeded at setting the bar so low for itself.
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you're not paying attention to the textiles industry at all are you? nike has open factory lists, you can trace their entire process start to finish and i'm sure they have csr audits that are public. large factories, like the ones nike use, are very often the best factories simply because of their client list demands it. Lakai could demand way stricter policies and have them complied with- but you're the one who would be paying for it; and lets face it, we aren't willing to pay more money for Lakais and not even fucking lena dunham is going to help pull any significant amount of socially conscience customers...
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Lol, you got me, I have a demanding career, a family, a household to keep running, other hobbies, etc., so my I haven't followed the textiles industry in as much granular detail as I have in the past. 

Besides, I can admit literally all of that and it doesn't really reach my point.  My point is that while those factories might be "the best" (however you're defining that), those operations are still large-scale labor abuse and environmental ruin machines.  (So, not "the best" how I'm defining it.) If Nike were held to higher standards, then the whole industry would likely at least start to move in the same direction. Here's the real important thing, though, which I didn't make as clear as I should have: this is extremely improbable because Nike sets its own standards, which it does not based upon how good something is for the environment or its workers, but upon what will maximize profits. 

The whole problem is that Nike is simply too powerful and too entrenched in the global economy to change without wanting to first.  And changes in consumer's buying habits will likely never amount to as much as it would take to get Nike to want to change, even if a cultural force as universally admired and respected as Lena Dunham (not Lena Dunham!) threw her support behind it.
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I've worked in the textile industry for the last 10+ years.

Nike is a longtime member of SAC, which runs the HIGG indexes. That means, very simplified, that Nike is one of the brands that hold themselves to the highest standards in the textiles mass manufacturing world when it comes to sustainability and ethical treatment of workers. So your statement is incorrect, because HIGGs is what the industry uses to define CSR metrics and it's independent from any of the brands.

no company whos main business is selling or even making product has "how good it is for the environment" as their key metric. You can however read several of Nikes public investor reports on sustainability here: https://purpose.nike.com/reports (https://purpose.nike.com/reports)
(it's actually an interesting read if you give a rats ass about sustainability in the textiles industry)

consumer behavior is why you have SAC and HIGGs index. It's why Nike publishes their reports and keeps their factory list public. That's holding them to a higher standard that no core skateshoe brand (that I'm aware of) is being held to. If you don't think it's high enough, that's on you- and if so I hope your normal jeans cost $200 rather than $20.

Save it, dude.  If you think you can get Nikes for what they cost while Nike does good things for the environment and its workers, I don't know what to tell you. They just recently got fingered for using fucking genocide camp slave labor. Ever heard of the Uighurs?  Nike and some other extremely woke corporations lobbied against a bill that would have prohibited imported products made with forced labor, which isn't reflected in the SAC or HIGGs index or whatever you're talking about.  And if you want to trust what a trade association says about how environmentally sustainable the manufacturing processes of the largest actor in a given industry are, shalom brother, you can trust all you want that Nike will abide by unenforceable nonregulations it likely had a hand in writing to cover its own ass.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Lowcalcium on May 04, 2021, 02:21:18 PM
Find me a skater owned shoe company that can actually make a decent shoe and I will 100% support them. I have run through 90% of the "core" brands and nothing works as well as Nike. I had foot pain for years skating Lakai, I even threw in those gamechanger insoles. About a month into my first pair of blazer mids and the pain was drastically less.

Vans are definitely not skater owned by any means, they are owned by the VF Corporation. but are you seriously telling me that Vans hurt your feet when you skate in them.

If that's case man, you might need to see a Podiatrist or simply stop being a baby. I have extremely flat feet and have sharp pain when I walk...but Vans Ultracush treats me just fine.
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Post by: Tuff Lover on May 04, 2021, 02:42:19 PM
When I see someone wearing "core brands," outside of a skate environment I assume that they skate but 90% of the time it turns out that they just wanted a wider shoe...

I don't even count Vans as "core," anymore. Everyone and their mother wears those flimsy things. I mean how good is a shoe if one has to buy insoles to make the shoe comfortable. They're just like Airwalks but with a older legacy and a higher price

I liked the Reebok DGK stuff



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Post by: Utopos on May 04, 2021, 02:51:21 PM
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Find me a skater owned shoe company that can actually make a decent shoe and I will 100% support them. I have run through 90% of the "core" brands and nothing works as well as Nike. I had foot pain for years skating Lakai, I even threw in those gamechanger insoles. About a month into my first pair of blazer mids and the pain was drastically less.
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Vans are definitely not skater owned by any means, they are owned by the VF Corporation. but are you seriously telling me that Vans hurt your feet when you skate in them.

If that's case man, you might need to see a Podiatrist or simply stop being a baby. I have extremely flat feet and have sharp pain when I walk...but Vans Ultracush treats me just fine.

Vans are definitely comfortable but I have had issues with them wearing out too fast. They either bag out or I just wear through the sole. 
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Post by: Donkey Lips on May 04, 2021, 03:22:25 PM
I liked the Reebok DGK stuff

A true man of class.
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Post by: Tuff Lover on May 04, 2021, 03:55:09 PM
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I liked the Reebok DGK stuff
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A true man of class.

Lol. They always came with 2 pair of laces (different colors that matched the shoe and outfit) with metal tips. They were wide shoes with a thick sole and had the feel of a proper shoe.





Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: urbneathme on May 04, 2021, 04:44:24 PM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/93381/John_Donahoe_original.jpg?1578962899)

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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thread finished. nuff said
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Mike Carroll's history in skateboarding: (born August 24, 1975) is a professional skateboarder from Daly City, California, United States. He is the co-founder and vice-president of Girl Skateboards and the co-founder of Lakai Limited Footwear.[2] He was also instrumental in the creation of the Chocolate Skateboards subdivision of Girl. Furthermore, Carroll is known for being in the vanguard of innovative, technical, and stylish street skateboarding in the early 1990s and beyond. The success of skateboarding videos like Hokus Pokus, Ban This! and Video Days firmly ensconced street as the premier variation of skating (a position formally held by freestyle and especially vert skateboarding).[3]

Nike CEO, John Donahoe's history in skateboarding:  (born April 30, 1960)[1] is an American businessman who is the CEO of Nike. Early in his career he worked for Bain & Company, becoming the firm's president and CEO in 1999.[2] He is on the board of directors at Nike,[3] The Bridgespan Group [4] and is chairman of PayPal. Donahoe was named president and CEO of ServiceNow, a cloud company, in February 2017.[5][6] He served on the Board of Trustees of Dartmouth College from 2003 to 2012.[7] On January 13, 2020, Donahoe became president and CEO of Nike.

You decide, who probably deserves to sell skate shoes
the idea that someone DESERVES to sell the byproduct of slave labor is fucking hysterical
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: augustmoon on May 04, 2021, 05:40:20 PM
Y’all might want to change Mike Carrol’s picture to which ever suit wearing old white man’s venture capital firm owns Lakai this week
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Ghost Face on May 04, 2021, 11:21:30 PM
Y’all might want to change Mike Carrol’s picture to which ever suit wearing old white man’s venture capital firm owns Lakai this week

Lakai is part of Huf Worldwide which is owned by TSI Holdings which is run by Shinichi Uetadani
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on May 04, 2021, 11:53:56 PM
Lakai hasn't been skated owned for years. Someone with better google skills, find the interview with Huf where he says that skater owned is basically bullshit.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: backside_reacharound on May 05, 2021, 12:03:31 AM
It's 2021 and there are adult humans that defend Nike? A company that prefers to hire former college athletes and has a the ultimate jock-bro culture? Have any of you even been on their campus? I worked there and it's absolute trash.

If you buy that shit you're literally handing over money to 1) show everyone that fashion trends and simple marketing work wonders on your pea brain, and 2) to line the pockets of Nike business bros that probably spent their younger days yelling "skater fag!" at any skateboarder they saw.

Wearing Nikes shows you're completely braindead, and spending money on them is completely indefensible.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on May 05, 2021, 12:18:00 AM
“Skater-owned” should generally be seen as “skater-started” these days ... almost none are still owned by skaters.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on May 05, 2021, 02:10:00 AM
It's 2021 and there are adult humans that defend Nike? A company that prefers to hire former college athletes and has a the ultimate jock-bro culture? Have any of you even been on their campus? I worked there and it's absolute trash.

If you buy that shit you're literally handing over money to 1) show everyone that fashion trends and simple marketing work wonders on your pea brain, and 2) to line the pockets of Nike business bros that probably spent their younger days yelling "skater fag!" at any skateboarder they saw.

Wearing Nikes shows you're completely braindead, and spending money on them is completely indefensible.


Do you close your eyes when someone in Nike SB's is on the screen in the video you're watching?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 05, 2021, 02:27:02 AM
It's 2021 and there are adult humans that defend Nike? A company that prefers to hire former college athletes and has a the ultimate jock-bro culture? Have any of you even been on their campus? I worked there and it's absolute trash.

If you buy that shit you're literally handing over money to 1) show everyone that fashion trends and simple marketing work wonders on your pea brain, and 2) to line the pockets of Nike business bros that probably spent their younger days yelling "skater fag!" at any skateboarder they saw.

Wearing Nikes shows you're completely braindead, and spending money on them is completely indefensible.


the best choice would be to just lay down on the grass and and stand up to eat food while being naked. that would be the smartest form of human kind and the least destructive.

incredible how stupid people are to be interested in design. all these sheeps with their pea brains that buy marketed products.

seems like they fired you because you are unable to work with a huge brain like yours.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 05, 2021, 07:38:04 AM
I can’t believe it’s 2021 and the grown-ass adults on Slap are still complaining about “trends”, like you’re an 8th grade skater mad at a cheerleader for wearing a Thrasher hoodie.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: urbneathme on May 05, 2021, 07:42:58 AM
I can’t believe it’s 2021 and the grown-ass adults on Slap are still complaining about “trends”, like you’re an 8th grade skater mad at a cheerleader for wearing a Thrasher hoodie.
yeah, i am. fuck her. that’s the bible. she doesn’t even know who fucking spider is. yeeeewwwww
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Murge on May 05, 2021, 08:37:05 AM
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I can’t believe it’s 2021 and the grown-ass adults on Slap are still complaining about “trends”, like you’re an 8th grade skater mad at a cheerleader for wearing a Thrasher hoodie.
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Its attitudes like this that got us to the point now that we have no diversity in shoe or soft good brands.

You mean you don’t love that skateboarding is so diluted from going mainstream we have an increasing number of skate parents forcing kids to get all hell ride at the park?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: augustmoon on May 05, 2021, 08:52:20 AM
It's 2021 and there are adult humans that defend Nike? A company that prefers to hire former college athletes and has a the ultimate jock-bro culture? Have any of you even been on their campus? I worked there and it's absolute trash.

If you buy that shit you're literally handing over money to 1) show everyone that fashion trends and simple marketing work wonders on your pea brain, and 2) to line the pockets of Nike business bros that probably spent their younger days yelling "skater fag!" at any skateboarder they saw.

Wearing Nikes shows you're completely braindead, and spending money on them is completely indefensible.

This is basically what hating Nike in skateboarding comes down to. 

“Nike is jocks and jocks were mean to me so Nike is bad”. 

Seems like a pretty well adjusted, not at all childish, “adult human in 2021” opinion to have
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Idk on May 05, 2021, 09:15:11 AM
I don’t like Nike because I can’t buy dunks anymore.
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Post by: mclovin1336 on May 05, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
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Do you want your money going to this guy

or this guy?

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/561264b3e4b0147725b2323d/5614f993e4b02a942a794370/56143791e4b09e5f2286091b/1444166032476/?format=1500w)

I couldn't care less that Mike Carroll is not down at the orphanage feeding hungry infants. He's a skateboarder and the other guy is some fucking rich yuppie who can't ollie.
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thread finished. nuff said
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Mike Carroll's history in skateboarding: (born August 24, 1975) is a professional skateboarder from Daly City, California, United States. He is the co-founder and vice-president of Girl Skateboards and the co-founder of Lakai Limited Footwear.[2] He was also instrumental in the creation of the Chocolate Skateboards subdivision of Girl. Furthermore, Carroll is known for being in the vanguard of innovative, technical, and stylish street skateboarding in the early 1990s and beyond. The success of skateboarding videos like Hokus Pokus, Ban This! and Video Days firmly ensconced street as the premier variation of skating (a position formally held by freestyle and especially vert skateboarding).[3]

Nike CEO, John Donahoe's history in skateboarding:  (born April 30, 1960)[1] is an American businessman who is the CEO of Nike. Early in his career he worked for Bain & Company, becoming the firm's president and CEO in 1999.[2] He is on the board of directors at Nike,[3] The Bridgespan Group [4] and is chairman of PayPal. Donahoe was named president and CEO of ServiceNow, a cloud company, in February 2017.[5][6] He served on the Board of Trustees of Dartmouth College from 2003 to 2012.[7] On January 13, 2020, Donahoe became president and CEO of Nike.

You decide, who probably deserves to sell skate shoes

seems like a tie to me
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: duniwayRobber on May 05, 2021, 09:53:27 AM
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It's 2021 and there are adult humans that defend Nike? A company that prefers to hire former college athletes and has a the ultimate jock-bro culture? Have any of you even been on their campus? I worked there and it's absolute trash.

If you buy that shit you're literally handing over money to 1) show everyone that fashion trends and simple marketing work wonders on your pea brain, and 2) to line the pockets of Nike business bros that probably spent their younger days yelling "skater fag!" at any skateboarder they saw.

Wearing Nikes shows you're completely braindead, and spending money on them is completely indefensible.
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This is basically what hating Nike in skateboarding comes down to. 

“Nike is jocks and jocks were mean to me so Nike is bad”. 

Seems like a pretty well adjusted, not at all childish, “adult human in 2021” opinion to have

I've been trying to avoid this going-nowhere debate, but come on, this is a reductionist misrepresentation of what backside_reacharound said.

His words are not what "hating Nike in skateboarding" comes down to, in fact, they seem to be applied to Nike as a whole, not the SB program. There are several takes on why the check sucks, this is just one of them.

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: backside_reacharound on May 05, 2021, 01:19:07 PM
Haha, this really is amazing. Imagine riding a corporations dick, what brain space must you have to be in for that to seem even remotely reasonable? Shouts out to Adam Smith though I guess, hey?

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: MyUserName on May 05, 2021, 01:33:32 PM
Kinda weird seeing people passionately defend multibillion corporations as if they’re an extension of themselves. It would be like seeing someone with a Unilever tattoo.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on May 05, 2021, 01:56:44 PM
Kinda weird seeing people passionately defend multibillion corporations as if they’re an extension of themselves. It would be like seeing someone with a Unilever tattoo.

Lol

So true

People view these things as an extension of themselves.

I think it's largely an American phenomenon arising in the last few decades.


Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 05, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
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Kinda weird seeing people passionately defend multibillion corporations as if they’re an extension of themselves. It would be like seeing someone with a Unilever tattoo.
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Lol

So true

People view these things as an extension of themselves.

I think it's largely an American phenomenon arising in the last few decades.

My general take is that Americans have become so politically disempowered over the past half century that the only sense of autonomy they experience arises in the consumer sphere.  Thus, the only meaningful choices they sense are available to them are in what products they choose to buy, and finding a genuinely enjoyable product to buy is so rare that it often gets incorporated into certain people's identities. This is why the fleeting, symbolic boycotts of certain companies in the wake of public controversies is the only "political act" for which large numbers of Americans have the capacity.

This country is terrible and the brains of most people in it are too ruined for them to even be able to realize the truth of that statement.  Almost all of my days are a see-saw between gnawing despair and attempts at stoical detachment.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: dilbert1 on May 05, 2021, 02:27:58 PM
The whole problem is that Nike is simply too powerful and too entrenched in the global economy to change without wanting to first.  And changes in consumer's buying habits will likely never amount to as much as it would take to get Nike to want to change

This is why people should shelve their "I buy core" BS in circumstances where they should be talking about stricter antitrust and labor regulations. Those who don't believe in a real political solution, i.e. Nike (as what it currently is) being more or less regulated out of existence, should just settle for the nice feeling it gives them to traffic in more authentic and personally nostalgic commodities, and not take the unnecessarily self-important step of imagining this has any objective standing or real significance outside their head/parts of their cultural cohort

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You decide, who probably deserves to sell skate shoes
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the idea that someone DESERVES to sell the byproduct of slave labor is fucking hysterical

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: h00man on May 05, 2021, 02:37:56 PM
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Kinda weird seeing people passionately defend multibillion corporations as if they’re an extension of themselves. It would be like seeing someone with a Unilever tattoo.
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Lol

So true

People view these things as an extension of themselves.

I think it's largely an American phenomenon arising in the last few decades.
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My general take is that Americans have become so politically disempowered over the past half century that the only sense of autonomy they experience arises in the consumer sphere.  Thus, the only meaningful choices they sense are available to them are in what products they choose to buy, and finding a genuinely enjoyable product to buy is so rare that it often gets incorporated into certain people's identities. This is why the fleeting, symbolic boycotts of certain companies in the wake of public controversies is the only "political act" for which large numbers of Americans have the capacity.

This country is terrible and the brains of most people in it are too ruined for them to even be able to realize the truth of that statement.  Almost all of my days are a see-saw between gnawing despair and attempts at stoical detachment.

Lol Americans will defend billionaires for no reason other than "capitalism good. Socialism bad". Let's not forget that millions of Americans wanted Trump back in office for a second term. LOL Murca!

Silly Americans.

Edit: Am American.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: figureitout on May 05, 2021, 03:23:38 PM
It's 2021 and there are adult humans that defend Nike? A company that prefers to hire former college athletes and has a the ultimate jock-bro culture? Have any of you even been on their campus? I worked there and it's absolute trash.

If you buy that shit you're literally handing over money to 1) show everyone that fashion trends and simple marketing work wonders on your pea brain, and 2) to line the pockets of Nike business bros that probably spent their younger days yelling "skater fag!" at any skateboarder they saw.

Wearing Nikes shows you're completely braindead, and spending money on them is completely indefensible.

+1
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 05, 2021, 03:24:38 PM
tyson Peterson riding a suv in la traffic while having dreadlocks and saying fuck the police is the american way of saying fuck capitalism


i don't need to defend nike they win against every shitty company that made shitty skate shoes over the years and will because of that succeed at what they are doing.

doing sports and training to be an athlete is something you should be proud of.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 05, 2021, 03:27:51 PM
tyson Peterson riding a suv in la traffic while having dreadlocks and saying fuck the police is the american way of saying fuck capitalism


i don't need to defend nike they win against every shitty company that made shitty skate shoes over the years and will because of that succeed at what they are doing.

doing sports and training to be an athlete is something you should be proud of.

The American way of saying fuck capitalism is generally to do more capitalism, idk what you're talking about and you sound deranged.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: bigdave on May 05, 2021, 03:38:09 PM
Reading through this thread through my naturally occurring and hardly-alterable Leftist lens has me shaking my head.

If you're going to buy Nike, just own up to their business practices not being problematic for you. I have zero reason to think Converse, Adidas, NB etc are much different. These companies all fucking suck for reasons that have nothing to do with the quality and skatability of the shoes they produce. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

I am not saying Lakai is any better or worse - I dont know/understand their supply chain, labor policies, or sustainability practices. Stuff that's kind of well-documented for Nike, but I am willing to bet it isn't great and is rooted in profit first over anything else, including Slap Pal's perspective on what's core or not.

As far as what's core, that ship sailed a long time ago in shoes. You can be angry about it, but this is the result of Nike's very successful strategy of infiltrating the market when and how it did and how all the other corps followed suit.

I said it in the other thread - Consolidated warned people. As corny as it was, and as corny as Consolidated is/was - they were still right. Vans might be the worst offender. Yeah, we all love Love Letters, yeah, they've done a lot of cool shit, built some rad parks etc etc but VF is interested in what's core as long as it supports the bottom line.

I guess supporting Sole Tech is an option that feels better, but I'd be interested in seeing their books and understanding how leveraged they are and how that position may have improved after the financial crisis in 2008.

Bottom line: shoes are fucked. Nike is the worst option (as well as the worst thing in skateboarding) for lots and lots of reasons that I dont need to rehash.

Now excuse me while I go put my Last Resort's on to go skate.



Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: bigdave on May 05, 2021, 03:41:24 PM
tyson Peterson riding a suv in la traffic while having dreadlocks and saying fuck the police is the american way of saying fuck capitalism


i don't need to defend nike they win against every shitty company that made shitty skate shoes over the years and will because of that succeed at what they are doing.

doing sports and training to be an athlete is something you should be proud of.


Seek help.
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Post by: Spaced Cadet on May 05, 2021, 04:21:56 PM
I had a shower thought this morning that I thought was funny. If Nike did shut down the SB program then the Terp shoe curse will finally be complete. Kevin Terpening will have proven that he is truly the grim reaper of shoe companies. eS, Gravis, Huf, and soon Nike SB
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Post by: mother collection on May 05, 2021, 04:30:42 PM
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Lol

So true

People view these things as an extension of themselves.

I think it's largely an American phenomenon arising in the last few decades.

they're really trynna connect us to our purchases nowadays, its like a new form of religion
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on May 05, 2021, 04:38:46 PM
I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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Post by: moonordie on May 05, 2021, 04:42:43 PM
I would love to see Nike go under, I would miss blazers mids tho.
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Post by: honey island on May 05, 2021, 04:43:06 PM
I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.


uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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Post by: DannyDee on May 05, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
Maybe the original DC team, but everyone on the team being homies is more a board brands thing. Do people really think Koston, Penny, and Burnqvist were all hanging out outside of eS trips during the Menikmati era?
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Post by: manysnakes on May 05, 2021, 05:21:27 PM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?

In our heads, when we were children
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Post by: dilbert1 on May 05, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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In our heads, when we were children

"Yeah I mean capitalism stinks, but skateboard capitalism is different"
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Paul Cicero on May 05, 2021, 07:29:01 PM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?

Maybe not shoes, but skate brands used to at least be built around crews. This is one of the reasons skaters have a love for a company or image, it speaks to them.

I’ve said something along these lines years ago, but it’s relative to this thread;

Nike DOES NOT CARE ABOUT SKATEBOARDING, it cares about money, and yes of course brands like Emerica, Lakai care about money, but they have a deeper feeling about preserving the culture of skating.

Look at the Stay Flared tour, two brands out there TOGETHER with a common theme of pushing skateboading, yes it’s promoting brands as well to drive sales, but the fact they are doing it united and don’t see each other as “the competition” shows it’s not ALL about sales.

Brands like HUF that moved in a different direction to just skating only had a pro skateboarding team, this is because their roots are in the culture of skateboarding.

You think you would ever see the day Nike and Adidas or NB and Cons get together to promote the very culture they are trying to profit from? HELL NO, why?

Because they only care about money, not the culture or the future of skateboarding as a whole.

It really surprises me that skaters that love it enough to talk about every aspect of it all day on an internet forum with total strangers can’t or refuse to accept this. I like giving my money to companies that care about the very thing we are all passionate about vs giving my money to a person who see’s the culture I love as a cash cow.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fakie nollie on May 05, 2021, 07:35:10 PM
No joke, I heard pretty much all the top pros (Nyjah and Koston to name) of Nike are currently negotiating with Cariuma for 2022 and 2023 contracts.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Bay10Blues on May 05, 2021, 07:35:40 PM
Although the amount of $$ involved is vastly different between the 2 activities, Nike has also stopped renewing many of their soccer contracts, even for really big stars, see Neymar. He left for Puma, and several other well known players are now not on the Nike pay roll any longer. Maybe a larger sponsorship restructuring across brand?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: FirstBlood82 on May 05, 2021, 09:46:32 PM
No joke, I heard pretty much all the top pros (Nyjah and Koston to name) of Nike are currently negotiating with Cariuma for 2022 and 2023 contracts.

wat

cant wait not to see his tampa pro run
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on May 06, 2021, 02:44:23 AM
Although the amount of $$ involved is vastly different between the 2 activities, Nike has also stopped renewing many of their soccer contracts, even for really big stars, see Neymar. He left for Puma, and several other well known players are now not on the Nike pay roll any longer. Maybe a larger sponsorship restructuring across brand?

Someone posted this the last time this same exact conversation reared its head. Podcast discussing Nike's move away from sponsored athletes

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-why-signature-shoes-for-nba-stars-may-soon-be-thing/id1435996305?i=1000495134597
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on May 06, 2021, 04:08:28 AM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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In our heads, when we were children

I'm definitely talking about DC. But there were other brands that seemed, to my child brain, to be made up of people who were friends.

Axion
DVS
Fallen
Gravis
Huf
Habitat
IPath
Lakai
Osiris
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ok boomer on May 06, 2021, 04:10:42 AM
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Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ndsr on May 06, 2021, 04:12:27 AM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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Maybe not shoes, but skate brands used to at least be built around crews. This is one of the reasons skaters have a love for a company or image, it speaks to them.

I’ve said something along these lines years ago, but it’s relative to this thread;

Nike DOES NOT CARE ABOUT SKATEBOARDING, it cares about money, and yes of course brands like Emerica, Lakai care about money, but they have a deeper feeling about preserving the culture of skating.

Look at the Stay Flared tour, two brands out there TOGETHER with a common theme of pushing skateboading, yes it’s promoting brands as well to drive sales, but the fact they are doing it united and don’t see each other as “the competition” shows it’s not ALL about sales.

Brands like HUF that moved in a different direction to just skating only had a pro skateboarding team, this is because their roots are in the culture of skateboarding.

You think you would ever see the day Nike and Adidas or NB and Cons get together to promote the very culture they are trying to profit from? HELL NO, why?

Because they only care about money, not the culture or the future of skateboarding as a whole.

It really surprises me that skaters that love it enough to talk about every aspect of it all day on an internet forum with total strangers can’t or refuse to accept this. I like giving my money to companies that care about the very thing we are all passionate about vs giving my money to a person who see’s the culture I love as a cash cow.

Respect
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: WadeDes on May 06, 2021, 04:24:08 AM
Kaspar van Lierop is no longer TM is confirmed. For the Dutch sponsored by Nike almost everyone is dropped except for Daan and two kids on the Olympic team. Someone told me that Nike will withdraw from skateshops and only sell through their own stores dropping SB from the label and will adept into Nike sportswear. Something with a manager on top who did not understand why they needed to have to do all these things for the culture. Today I saw a insta story of Jarne getting his favorite pair of shoes from Nike and being happy, not sure if this was sarcastic.   
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 04:30:41 AM
I just don't ever believe any of those companies you just called out are fully skater owned.
there has to be a factory in china with a boss that doesn't give a single fuck about skating either way.
why is it so important to you that the shoes those guys are wearing were given in production by a guy that can 50-50 grind and not by a guy that has the characteristics of lets say your uncle?

I hate companies that use skating as a marketing tool too and often you can see them misinterpreting the culture and common cuts and preferred clothing choices.

but would there ever been a beige accell if it wasn't for timberland boots? I doubt it.
we feed of those things too gentlemen.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Giza Butler on May 06, 2021, 04:32:50 AM
I just don't ever believe any of those companies you just called out are fully skater owned.
there has to be a factory in china with a boss that doesn't give a single fuck about skating either way.
why is it so important to you that the shoes those guys are wearing were given in production by a guy that can 50-50 grind and not by a guy that has the characteristics of lets say your uncle?

I hate companies that use skating as a marketing tool too and often you can see them misinterpreting the culture and common cuts and preferred clothing choices.

but would there ever been a beige accell if it wasn't for timberland boots? I doubt it. so there wouldn't be a 80 percent of emerica shoes if it wasn't for the fact that timberland got popularized by workers and main pop culture.
we feed of those things too gentlemen.

Would you rather skate in Timbs or with a skateshoe?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 04:39:51 AM
a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.


ok hats of for the d3 that was creative.
also janoskis. fuck.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Giza Butler on May 06, 2021, 04:43:24 AM
a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.

How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Hevonen on May 06, 2021, 05:37:56 AM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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In our heads, when we were children
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I'm definitely talking about DC. But there were other brands that seemed, to my child brain, to be made up of people who were friends.

Axion
DVS
Fallen
Gravis
Huf
Habitat
IPath
Lakai
Osiris

Don't know if the riders were super close friends with each other, but shoe brands we're definitely aiming for different subcultures and styles in skateboarding. Now that seems almost completely lost
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Donkey Lips on May 06, 2021, 06:22:13 AM
What a great list of successful and thriving shoe brands.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: skate_lunch on May 06, 2021, 07:03:20 AM
The thing that is aggravating about Nike cutting down the skate program (if that is true) is that they are currently suppressing their own return on investment. SB Dunks are straight up on fire right now and if they mass released one black and white pair that anyone could buy at retail price it would probably pay for the skate program all by itself.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 06, 2021, 07:08:39 AM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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In our heads, when we were children
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"Yeah I mean capitalism stinks, but skateboard capitalism is different"

“This crew of strangers who marketed skate products to me were my friends, unlike Nike, with whom I have no parasocial relationship!”
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: urbneathme on May 06, 2021, 07:16:14 AM
I had a shower thought this morning that I thought was funny. If Nike did shut down the SB program then the Terp shoe curse will finally be complete. Kevin Terpening will have proven that he is truly the grim reaper of shoe companies. eS, Gravis, Huf, and soon Nike SB
heard terp is signing to nike proper when they drop the SB badge. too big a fish to lose
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: DannyDee on May 06, 2021, 07:35:12 AM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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In our heads, when we were children
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I'm definitely talking about DC. But there were other brands that seemed, to my child brain, to be made up of people who were friends.

Axion
DVS
Fallen
Gravis
Huf
Habitat
IPath
Lakai
Osiris
Early DVS sure since it was mostly friends from the early World brands who Gavin knew, but a lot of the rest is just marketing. You really think Pops was hanging out with Nick Jensen and Lucas Puig? Or Josh Kasper was calling up Louie and Jerry?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Idk on May 06, 2021, 07:39:59 AM
The thing that is aggravating about Nike cutting down the skate program (if that is true) is that they are currently suppressing their own return on investment. SB Dunks are straight up on fire right now and if they mass released one black and white pair that anyone could buy at retail price it would probably pay for the skate program all by itself.
Lots of people would buy at first but then the only people buying would be skaters since the hype would die down?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on May 06, 2021, 08:05:30 AM
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I miss the days when skate shoe brands were built around a group of skaters who were friends. The Nike team is just a pile of skaters with no personal cohesion. Sure, there are people who are friends within the team, but the team is built around the brand and that rings hollow to me.
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uh when did this happen? e....S in 2003?
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In our heads, when we were children

Lol accurate
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on May 06, 2021, 08:26:13 AM
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?

Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: cumlover84 on May 06, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
basically every skate shop in canada that can't sell dunks are dropping nike because there an absolute pain to work with and they have never sponsored contest or skaters in canada
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 09:00:08 AM
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
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Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS

no I don't I expect them to not claim to be the holy gods in shoe business because the money they make isn't going straight into skateboarders pockets.

I know you love the idea that your shoe company looks like your local skate shop and the owner is like your skate shop owner and fights to make a living so you buy some goods from him and he's so thankful and brave and talk about how the years fly by and he's still there and you sit in front of the shop and its getting melancholy.
that's just stupid.
give me an example for a shoe technology made by a skater?

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: DannyDee on May 06, 2021, 09:05:46 AM
basically every skate shop in canada that can't sell dunks are dropping nike because there an absolute pain to work with and they have never sponsored contest or skaters in canada
They used to flow guys like Cephas from the Bunt. Nike also owns Cons who sponsor Bobby. Obviously, previously DC and Circa, and now Vans hook up more Canadian guys.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Miller92 on May 06, 2021, 09:09:48 AM
Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: mareo on May 06, 2021, 09:14:44 AM
Although the amount of $$ involved is vastly different between the 2 activities, Nike has also stopped renewing many of their soccer contracts, even for really big stars, see Neymar. He left for Puma, and several other well known players are now not on the Nike pay roll any longer. Maybe a larger sponsorship restructuring across brand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye0VtPkCDxQ
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 09:15:45 AM
Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.

if your mom and pop shop never had to do with anything you ever did on a skateboard because all they did was being in california shipping cheap china boards to europe for 70 dollars a board and once they do a demo in your hometown just sit around and let some AM's skate for them so they can make money from having a 2 min video part in 2004, may be than you will question it. Ill garanty you.

that goes for all the shitty brands not only crailtap. I had cheap ass 30 euro gildan shirts I REALLY WANTED BECAUSE SKATE CLOTHING IS IMPORTANT IF YOU SKATE MOM.

that's the amount of empathy I have for california skate companies in 2021 if you aren't making some cool stuff.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 06, 2021, 09:28:35 AM
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Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.
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if your mom and pop shop never had to do with anything you ever did on a skateboard because all they did was being in california shipping cheap china boards to europe for 70 dollars a board and once they do a demo in your hometown just sit around and let some AM's skate for them so they can make money from having a 2 min video part in 2004, may be than you will question it. Ill garanty you.

that goes for all the shitty brands not only crailtap. I had cheap ass 30 euro gildan shirts I REALLY WANTED BECAUSE SKATE CLOTHING IS IMPORTANT IF YOU SKATE MOM.

that's the amount of empathy I have for california skate companies in 2021 if you aren't making some cool stuff.

You seem quite bitter with skating.

Which is ok.

I don't how ass licking nike and big corps is helping you though.n
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Miller92 on May 06, 2021, 09:28:45 AM
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Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.
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if your mom and pop shop never had to do with anything you ever did on a skateboard because all they did was being in california shipping cheap china boards to europe for 70 dollars a board and once they do a demo in your hometown just sit around and let some AM's skate for them so they can make money from having a 2 min video part in 2004, may be than you will question it. Ill garanty you.

that goes for all the shitty brands not only crailtap. I had cheap ass 30 euro gildan shirts I REALLY WANTED BECAUSE SKATE CLOTHING IS IMPORTANT IF YOU SKATE MOM.

that's the amount of empathy I have for california skate companies in 2021 if you aren't making some cool stuff.

i was honestly speaking more to the Nike vs. "skate operated" shoe situation...

in terms of hard goods, there is NO money to be made in that sector.  like...none. unless you're DLX or you have only 2 people on the payroll in the office. 

might as well support smaller deck companies or companies owned by homies or people in your region or city.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Donkey Lips on May 06, 2021, 09:32:42 AM
The thing that is aggravating about Nike cutting down the skate program (if that is true) is that they are currently suppressing their own return on investment. SB Dunks are straight up on fire right now and if they mass released one black and white pair that anyone could buy at retail price it would probably pay for the skate program all by itself.

Mister big-brain-economics-101 over here is just giving away all of the secrets for free. You hear that Nike? Just make black and white dunks available and this will no longer "suppress your own return on investment".

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Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on May 06, 2021, 09:39:13 AM
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
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Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS
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no I don't I expect them to not claim to be the holy gods in shoe business because the money they make isn't going straight into skateboarders pockets.

I know you love the idea that your shoe company looks like your local skate shop and the owner is like your skate shop owner and fights to make a living so you buy some goods from him and he's so thankful and brave and talk about how the years fly by and he's still there and you sit in front of the shop and its getting melancholy.
that's just stupid.
give me an example for a shoe technology made by a skater?

Whatever point you're trying to make, you're not making it. If you're trying to say it's not worth it to have skaters endorse shoes then I highly disagree. Nike wouldn't have a hold on the skate industry like this if it were not for their original team. So and So getting a check is what bought them legitimacy.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 09:49:20 AM
i don't need shoes by skateboards for gods sake. that's my whole point. why does everything I wear while riding a skateboard has to be skate related if they don't make the best product for skating nore do they support skating where im at?

the production isn't green the money isn't going to the places where I can see a growth of culture because of them so why would I care about some random skaters paycheck I never met and who would probably refuse to shake my hand?

its nothing but reminiscing over some old videos you guys have watched connecting product with the face of some handpicked dudes that most likely aren't even friends.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Miller92 on May 06, 2021, 09:54:56 AM
i don't need shoes by skateboards for gods sake. that's my whole point. why does everything I wear while riding a skateboard has to be skate related if they don't make the best product for skating nore do they support skating where im at?

the production isn't green the money isn't going to the places where I can see a growth of culture because of them so why would I care about some random skaters paycheck I never met and who would probably refuse to shake my hand?

its nothing but reminiscing over some old videos you guys have watched connecting product with the face of some handpicked dudes that most likely aren't even friends.

no one says you HAVE to buy anything...

but your logic is fucking dumb.  if you cant discern the difference between where the profits of a company like Nike go and the profits of a Lakai or Sole Tech go, you literally don't understand what the argument is.

your "well what do I get out of it? I don't see how it supports ME!" logic is so fucking small brained. 
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: EdLawndale on May 06, 2021, 09:57:22 AM
Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.

Ho-lee fuck, this guy's getting me jazzed up!

Though I think Home Depot is part of the problem too...
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on May 06, 2021, 09:58:12 AM
Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.

But the screwdrivers at home depot have a pretty sick swoosh on the side !!
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 10:03:14 AM
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Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.
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But the screwdrivers at home depot have a pretty sick swoosh on the side !!

the moms and pops one was crafted by the souls of skate masters and love of the holy grail of skate community how dare you NOT TO BUY OUR SHITTY CHINA PRODUCT SCREWDRIVER! WE GAVE IT BACK TO YOU WHEN WE MADE A VIDEO 10 YEARS AGO BE THANKFUL!!!!! HOW ARENT YOU AWARE I DID A NOLLIE KICKFLIP IN 2001 THATS WHY YOU DO IT TODAY!
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 10:07:33 AM
there is the soul of Andrew Reynolds in every emerica shoe. you just have to pull on the right shoe lace and hold your ear into it. you can hear his voice saying "thank you cowboy! lets go for a ride!" just try it.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Murge on May 06, 2021, 10:12:04 AM
there is the soul of Andrew Reynolds in every emerica shoe. you just have to pull on the right shoe lace and hold your ear into it. you can hear his voice saying "thank you cowboy! lets go for a ride!" just try it.

This is the only cool thing you’ve said in this thread.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Hefe43 on May 06, 2021, 10:14:59 AM
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Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.
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But the screwdrivers at home depot have a pretty sick swoosh on the side !!
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the moms and pops one was crafted by the souls of skate masters and love of the holy grail of skate community how dare you NOT TO BUY OUR SHITTY CHINA PRODUCT SCREWDRIVER! WE GAVE IT BACK TO YOU WHEN WE MADE A VIDEO 10 YEARS AGO BE THANKFUL!!!!! HOW ARENT YOU AWARE I DID A NOLLIE KICKFLIP IN 2001 THATS WHY YOU DO IT TODAY!
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baby wawa needs to get of the internet for a day or five
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Dwyck on May 06, 2021, 10:41:12 AM
gqmom and pop/Home Depot metaphor is selling skater owned companies incredibly short. who cares about my personal relationship with some shoes. the common argument over the years is you support skater owned because they do more for skateboarding as a whole. Because they wont get caught out in 2021 cutting fucking Max Palmer from their skate program. Obviously a skater-owned company would not do that though they wouldn't even have the resources to put someone interesting on half the time. Because of big box shoe companies. THAT'S the argument. Not "service". The Blazer Mid still skates the same regardless of who the Nike CEO is.
Not that I agree that someone's shoe purchases make them stupid or whatever Miller (because that itself is baby-brained conscious consumer bullshit lol. Buy a Prius save the planet shit. Individual guilt abating that ultimately does nothing) Anyway I just don't think your approach is the common one. Especially considering I can go to shoes and gear and ask the NB guy about some shoes. Where's that for last resort or lakai?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 06, 2021, 11:20:35 AM
Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.

The multi-national investment groups that owns all the non-Nike skate shoe companies thank you for this specious analogy.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: mushroom slice on May 06, 2021, 11:44:09 AM
Michael Jordan wanted to be sponsored by adidas. They thought he was too short so he went to Nike instead. Blah blah blah everyone fucks up.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Miller92 on May 06, 2021, 11:58:45 AM
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Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.
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The multi-national investment groups that owns all the non-Nike skate shoe companies thank you for this specious analogy.

I'll still take "skater operated" over the now I guess non-existent "skater owned."

That counts for something, right?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Paul Cicero on May 06, 2021, 12:10:28 PM
Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.

Respect.

Support the brands and shops that care about our culture and not just our dollar.. it really isn’t hard.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on May 06, 2021, 12:12:28 PM
Can someone explain to me why they think Nike is a good company to buy skate shoes from? Like, lay out an argument that's not based on "they're (all shoe companies) all bad (or the same)" or you're "you're clinging to the past." All I can really see is that the Nike logo holds some heavy micro-level social status flex, ie, wearing Nike is "cool" or fashionable. I'm not trying to be snarky, I just don't get it and would appreciate reading the take of y'all diehard Nike fans.

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on May 06, 2021, 12:25:40 PM
Can someone explain to me why they think Nike is a good company to buy skate shoes from? Like, lay out an argument that's not based on "they're (all shoe companies) all bad (or the same)" or you're "you're clinging to the past." All I can really see is that the Nike logo holds some heavy micro-level social status flex, ie, wearing Nike is "cool" or fashionable. I'm not trying to be snarky, I just don't get it and would appreciate reading the take of y'all diehard Nike fans.

This is also my question @manysnakes you make some good points about how every shoe company sucks and we're all victim of the 'skater-owned' facade but... there's still a difference ? And also I skate reeboks so I don't know where my consumer profile fits but I like the debate

edit : I also recognize the excellent quality of nike sb shoes, mostly just tired of seeing the swoosh everywhere I look
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Paul Cicero on May 06, 2021, 12:27:14 PM
Can someone explain to me why they think Nike is a good company to buy skate shoes from? Like, lay out an argument that's not based on "they're (all shoe companies) all bad (or the same)" or you're "you're clinging to the past." All I can really see is that the Nike logo holds some heavy micro-level social status flex, ie, wearing Nike is "cool" or fashionable. I'm not trying to be snarky, I just don't get it and would appreciate reading the take of y'all diehard Nike fans.

Agree 100%

Will all the people standing up for nike admit to the following:

1. You care deeply about materialistic things, such as wearing “cool” shoes.
2. As a flow on effect of this, you choosing to support sports brands over skate brands is the reason skaters have little choice anymore when it comes to shoes and skate apparel.
3. You are happy to live in a world where you continue to make a business group rich over giving your dollar to people who care about more than that.
4. You don’t care about skating enough to actually support the brands that care about it.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: manysnakes on May 06, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
I think there is only one person in this thread who is tepidly defending Nike, and they have made their point clear again and again. As I read it; they like the shoes, they think money that Nike put into the sport has been good for skateboarding (and that Nike spent money locally which improved their access to skating), and that they think there isn't a marked difference between Nike and a company operated by an international investment firm who bought into skateboarding when a shoe company went into receivership.

I don't think that Nike is inherently extremely different than numerous other corporations that operate in skateboarding, aside from being significantly more successful. Does anyone really think that Lakai wouldn't trade places with Nike if they could? Vans? New Balance? When this line of reasoning breaks down, we can see people start claiming these companies are "skater-operated", which is as far as I can tell, no different than Nike hiring people from the skate world to run their SB division.

As for the differences, if there's a difference for you, that's enough. You don't have to buy Nike, no one is making you. We all have our individual, discrete buying preferences, and maybe we rationalize them or maybe we don't.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Firebert on May 06, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
Can someone explain to me why they think Nike is a good company to buy skate shoes from? Like, lay out an argument that's not based on "they're (all shoe companies) all bad (or the same)" or you're "you're clinging to the past." All I can really see is that the Nike logo holds some heavy micro-level social status flex, ie, wearing Nike is "cool" or fashionable. I'm not trying to be snarky, I just don't get it and would appreciate reading the take of y'all diehard Nike fans.
I wouldn't consider myself a fan of nike, but coming from someone who buys a lot of shit, I can tell you that the QC of nike surpasses those of companies like lakai and sole tech. One specific example: I tried to get some reynolds 3's when they re-released and bought 3 pair of black/white, 2 pair brown/white, 1 black/black, and only one pair out of the 6 had a right shoe that fit the same as the left shoe. Maybe its the style of the model chosen, or bad luck? No - still happened with the Figgy Dose. Now you might think as I did, maybe my right foot is swollen/injured/just bigger than my left? I know that my two feet aren't identical. That could be the case if this happened also with nike/adidas/vans, but no, never happened with the big name brands. I have close to 100 shoes saved over the last 2 decades and this has only happened recently 2019-2020 emericas (reynolds and figgys) and lakais (staples).

Those experiences alone could make someone stick to the bigger companies because some tend to value quality over personal morals (especially when the morals of those who own those small skater-owned companies seem to revolve around money just as much as the big guys in this capitalist society.)

That said, I haven't given up on Emerica, they'll always be my favorite, and I look forward to the new Wino G6 Slip Cups - even if I have to buy multiples again.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 06, 2021, 01:20:48 PM
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i don't need shoes by skateboards for gods sake. that's my whole point. why does everything I wear while riding a skateboard has to be skate related if they don't make the best product for skating nore do they support skating where im at?

the production isn't green the money isn't going to the places where I can see a growth of culture because of them so why would I care about some random skaters paycheck I never met and who would probably refuse to shake my hand?

its nothing but reminiscing over some old videos you guys have watched connecting product with the face of some handpicked dudes that most likely aren't even friends.
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no one says you HAVE to buy anything...

but your logic is fucking dumb.  if you cant discern the difference between where the profits of a company like Nike go and the profits of a Lakai or Sole Tech go, you literally don't understand what the argument is.

your "well what do I get out of it? I don't see how it supports ME!" logic is so fucking small brained.

Nike flow deals in Germany also seem over now. Homie is pissed he has to buy shoes. ^^
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs180 on May 06, 2021, 02:01:15 PM
Your gif fucking sucks it looks so german its insane
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 06, 2021, 02:05:11 PM
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Can someone explain to me why they think Nike is a good company to buy skate shoes from? Like, lay out an argument that's not based on "they're (all shoe companies) all bad (or the same)" or you're "you're clinging to the past." All I can really see is that the Nike logo holds some heavy micro-level social status flex, ie, wearing Nike is "cool" or fashionable. I'm not trying to be snarky, I just don't get it and would appreciate reading the take of y'all diehard Nike fans.
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Agree 100%

Will all the people standing up for nike admit to the following:

1. You care deeply about materialistic things, such as wearing “cool” shoes.
2. As a flow on effect of this, you choosing to support sports brands over skate brands is the reason skaters have little choice anymore when it comes to shoes and skate apparel.
3. You are happy to live in a world where you continue to make a business group rich over giving your dollar to people who care about more than that.
4. You don’t care about skating enough to actually support the brands that care about it.

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Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: figureitout on May 06, 2021, 02:13:23 PM
Here's a comparison for perspective sake.

You have a small-town mom-and-pop hardware store.  They give back to your community, they live in your community, you know where they came from, they're friendly, etc.

Do they still sell pretty much the same shit as Home Depot? Yes. Same brands? Yes. Same manufacturers? Yes. 

Then Home Depot moves to town and opens up down the road. 

Are you gonna keep supporting your mom-and-pop hardware store? The one that gives you personal recommendations on purchases? Helps you out when in need? Gives back to your community? Puts dollars in the local economy?

Or are you gonna say fuck em? And justify that home depot is cheaper/better/bigger?

If your answer is Home Depot, you are the problem.  Not Home Depot, not the mom and pop, it's you as a consumer who has the fucking IQ of a toddler. 

Support within.  Community matters.  Conviction matters.  This isn't that hard.

Spot on, thank you kind sir.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fakie nollie on May 06, 2021, 03:24:00 PM
Gonna tell my kids Mike carrol and Rick Howard were mom and pop
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on May 06, 2021, 04:19:38 PM
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
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Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS
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no I don't I expect them to not claim to be the holy gods in shoe business because the money they make isn't going straight into skateboarders pockets.

I know you love the idea that your shoe company looks like your local skate shop and the owner is like your skate shop owner and fights to make a living so you buy some goods from him and he's so thankful and brave and talk about how the years fly by and he's still there and you sit in front of the shop and its getting melancholy.
that's just stupid.
give me an example for a shoe technology made by a skater?

Sole Tech (started by a skater) built a skatepark purely for the skaters they followed to work on and test out the science of the skate shoes they made
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: livin on a speyer on May 06, 2021, 04:46:17 PM
Your gif fucking sucks it looks so german its insane
What do you have against Germany?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: SlapTM on May 06, 2021, 09:08:01 PM
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
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Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS
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no I don't I expect them to not claim to be the holy gods in shoe business because the money they make isn't going straight into skateboarders pockets.

I know you love the idea that your shoe company looks like your local skate shop and the owner is like your skate shop owner and fights to make a living so you buy some goods from him and he's so thankful and brave and talk about how the years fly by and he's still there and you sit in front of the shop and its getting melancholy.
that's just stupid.
give me an example for a shoe technology made by a skater?
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Sole Tech (started by a skater) built a skatepark purely for the skaters they followed to work on and test out the science of the skate shoes they made
And also donated a ton of money for the skatepark in Lake Forest to get built as well as the Buy A Shoe, Plant A Tree program, putting on events such as Game of Skates, Wild in the Streets, demos/signings to get skaters to the local shop, giving away thousands of pairs of shoes to the homeless and much more.

I may come off bias but my opinions are purely from 20+ years of being a skateboarder, not because of who I work for.

First things first, I don't really have an issue of the corporate brands being in skateboarding. They're huge companies and saw opportunities to get into sports that they weren't in and wanted to make as much money as humanly possible. I get it and who am I to say who can or can't be in skateboarding. I can say though that I've never bought a pair of SB's, Adidas, Cons or #NB. Growing up there weren't many corporate brands in skating like there are today so all I knew about were the "core" footwear brands. Basically I wore mostly Emerica and Es with some Circa's and Fallen in the mix. Even after Nike and the rest of the corporate brands got into skateboarding, I never had any interest in supporting those brands because it just felt wrong to me. I wanted to support the guys that started brands for the right reasons, not to make a quick buck. I can tell you Pierre Andre started the Sole Tech brands because there just weren't a ton of footwear options for skateboarders back then. As a kid to an adult, that always stood out to me and was proud to support the brands that were there for the right reasons and deserved to be. It's very unfortunate that brands like Circa, Adio, HUF, and even Osiris (when it was cool at one point) couldn't survive due to those big brands coming in and taking over.

In regards to this thread, Nike doesn't give a fuck about skateboarding and neither do the other big brands. I'm not saying that in a hateful way, it's "nothing but the truth". The second those skateboarding programs aren't profitable, they will pull out. SB already did it in snowboarding and is doing it now in skate to a degree. Cutting pros, flow riders, and even valuable employees is proof enough. Now add in all the core skate shops they're pulling out of to focus on their own Direct to Consumer business model. Getting into these shops years ago just to become legitimized to skaters only to bail on shops to make more money for themselves is a giant fuck you to skate shops especially after posting that "58 reasons to support skate shops" video on Skate Shop Day while at the same time sending letters to shops dropping their accounts. There's no doubt that Nike did a great job recruiting core skateboarders to run SB and to me, it's a major red flag when they decide to get rid of the guys who basically built the SB program and helped make it so successful. At this point, SB is out of the hands of skateboarders and run by people who have never stepped foot on a skateboard and never will. The truth is that SB doesn't need 50+ team riders or to flow every kid anymore. They could just have a few riders such as Ishod, GT, Nyjah, Prod and be totally fine. They've already stated they're moving away from athlete endorsements. I don't think SB will ever fully cut the skate program but could they downsize it or murge SB into just Nike? Yeah, probably.

I won't be that guy that says "support skater owned because it's right thing to do". Support whatever you feel like. I just hope people realize that they can either support brands who truly care about skateboarding or those that don't. The more support the little guys get, the more they're able to do whether it be to take care of more skateboarders, put out more projects, give back to local skate scenes, etc. Some people care about skater owned and operated while some don't and that's totally okay. I think there's enough room for all the brands core or not to be in skateboarding but I'd rather give my money to the guys who are still doing kickflips in their mid-50's than to some suit who has never once thought about picking up a board and pushing down the street.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Colt Cannon's Cargos on May 06, 2021, 09:47:26 PM
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
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Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS
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no I don't I expect them to not claim to be the holy gods in shoe business because the money they make isn't going straight into skateboarders pockets.

I know you love the idea that your shoe company looks like your local skate shop and the owner is like your skate shop owner and fights to make a living so you buy some goods from him and he's so thankful and brave and talk about how the years fly by and he's still there and you sit in front of the shop and its getting melancholy.
that's just stupid.
give me an example for a shoe technology made by a skater?
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Sole Tech (started by a skater) built a skatepark purely for the skaters they followed to work on and test out the science of the skate shoes they made
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And also donated a ton of money for the skatepark in Lake Forest to get built as well as the Buy A Shoe, Plant A Tree program, putting on events such as Game of Skates, Wild in the Streets, demos/signings to get skaters to the local shop, giving away thousands of pairs of shoes to the homeless and much more.

I may come off bias but my opinions are purely from 20+ years of being a skateboarder, not because of who I work for.

First things first, I don't really have an issue of the corporate brands being in skateboarding. They're huge companies and saw opportunities to get into sports that they weren't in and wanted to make as much money as humanly possible. I get it and who am I to say who can or can't be in skateboarding. I can say though that I've never bought a pair of SB's, Adidas, Cons or #NB. Growing up there weren't many corporate brands in skating like there are today so all I knew about were the "core" footwear brands. Basically I wore mostly Emerica and Es with some Circa's and Fallen in the mix. Even after Nike and the rest of the corporate brands got into skateboarding, I never had any interest in supporting those brands because it just felt wrong to me. I wanted to support the guys that started brands for the right reasons, not to make a quick buck. I can tell you Pierre Andre started the Sole Tech brands because there just weren't a ton of footwear options for skateboarders back then. As a kid to an adult, that always stood out to me and was proud to support the brands that were there for the right reasons and deserved to be. It's very unfortunate that brands like Circa, Adio, HUF, and even Osiris (when it was cool at one point) couldn't survive due to those big brands coming in and taking over.

In regards to this thread, Nike doesn't give a fuck about skateboarding and neither do the other big brands. I'm not saying that in a hateful way, it's "nothing but the truth". The second those skateboarding programs aren't profitable, they will pull out. SB already did it in snowboarding and is doing it now in skate to a degree. Cutting pros, flow riders, and even valuable employees is proof enough. Now add in all the core skate shops they're pulling out of to focus on their own Direct to Consumer business model. Getting into these shops years ago just to become legitimized to skaters only to bail on shops to make more money for themselves is a giant fuck you to skate shops especially after posting that "58 reasons to support skate shops" video on Skate Shop Day while at the same time sending letters to shops dropping their accounts. There's no doubt that Nike did a great job recruiting core skateboarders to run SB and to me, it's a major red flag when they decide to get rid of the guys who basically built the SB program and helped make it so successful. At this point, SB is out of the hands of skateboarders and run by people who have never stepped foot on a skateboard and never will. The truth is that SB doesn't need 50+ team riders or to flow every kid anymore. They could just have a few riders such as Ishod, GT, Nyjah, Prod and be totally fine. They've already stated they're moving away from athlete endorsements. I don't think SB will ever fully cut the skate program but could they downsize it or murge SB into just Nike? Yeah, probably.

I won't be that guy that says "support skater owned because it's right thing to do". Support whatever you feel like. I just hope people realize that they can either support brands who truly care about skateboarding or those that don't. The more support the little guys get, the more they're able to do whether it be to take care of more skateboarders, put out more projects, give back to local skate scenes, etc. Some people care about skater owned and operated while some don't and that's totally okay. I think there's enough room for all the brands core or not to be in skateboarding but I'd rather give my money to the guys who are still doing kickflips in their mid-50's than to some suit who has never once thought about picking up a board and pushing down the street.

tl;dr
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 06, 2021, 10:52:52 PM
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
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Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS
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no I don't I expect them to not claim to be the holy gods in shoe business because the money they make isn't going straight into skateboarders pockets.

I know you love the idea that your shoe company looks like your local skate shop and the owner is like your skate shop owner and fights to make a living so you buy some goods from him and he's so thankful and brave and talk about how the years fly by and he's still there and you sit in front of the shop and its getting melancholy.
that's just stupid.
give me an example for a shoe technology made by a skater?
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Sole Tech (started by a skater) built a skatepark purely for the skaters they followed to work on and test out the science of the skate shoes they made
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And also donated a ton of money for the skatepark in Lake Forest to get built as well as the Buy A Shoe, Plant A Tree program, putting on events such as Game of Skates, Wild in the Streets, demos/signings to get skaters to the local shop, giving away thousands of pairs of shoes to the homeless and much more.

I may come off bias but my opinions are purely from 20+ years of being a skateboarder, not because of who I work for.

First things first, I don't really have an issue of the corporate brands being in skateboarding. They're huge companies and saw opportunities to get into sports that they weren't in and wanted to make as much money as humanly possible. I get it and who am I to say who can or can't be in skateboarding. I can say though that I've never bought a pair of SB's, Adidas, Cons or #NB. Growing up there weren't many corporate brands in skating like there are today so all I knew about were the "core" footwear brands. Basically I wore mostly Emerica and Es with some Circa's and Fallen in the mix. Even after Nike and the rest of the corporate brands got into skateboarding, I never had any interest in supporting those brands because it just felt wrong to me. I wanted to support the guys that started brands for the right reasons, not to make a quick buck. I can tell you Pierre Andre started the Sole Tech brands because there just weren't a ton of footwear options for skateboarders back then. As a kid to an adult, that always stood out to me and was proud to support the brands that were there for the right reasons and deserved to be. It's very unfortunate that brands like Circa, Adio, HUF, and even Osiris (when it was cool at one point) couldn't survive due to those big brands coming in and taking over.

In regards to this thread, Nike doesn't give a fuck about skateboarding and neither do the other big brands. I'm not saying that in a hateful way, it's "nothing but the truth". The second those skateboarding programs aren't profitable, they will pull out. SB already did it in snowboarding and is doing it now in skate to a degree. Cutting pros, flow riders, and even valuable employees is proof enough. Now add in all the core skate shops they're pulling out of to focus on their own Direct to Consumer business model. Getting into these shops years ago just to become legitimized to skaters only to bail on shops to make more money for themselves is a giant fuck you to skate shops especially after posting that "58 reasons to support skate shops" video on Skate Shop Day while at the same time sending letters to shops dropping their accounts. There's no doubt that Nike did a great job recruiting core skateboarders to run SB and to me, it's a major red flag when they decide to get rid of the guys who basically built the SB program and helped make it so successful. At this point, SB is out of the hands of skateboarders and run by people who have never stepped foot on a skateboard and never will. The truth is that SB doesn't need 50+ team riders or to flow every kid anymore. They could just have a few riders such as Ishod, GT, Nyjah, Prod and be totally fine. They've already stated they're moving away from athlete endorsements. I don't think SB will ever fully cut the skate program but could they downsize it or murge SB into just Nike? Yeah, probably.

I won't be that guy that says "support skater owned because it's right thing to do". Support whatever you feel like. I just hope people realize that they can either support brands who truly care about skateboarding or those that don't. The more support the little guys get, the more they're able to do whether it be to take care of more skateboarders, put out more projects, give back to local skate scenes, etc. Some people care about skater owned and operated while some don't and that's totally okay. I think there's enough room for all the brands core or not to be in skateboarding but I'd rather give my money to the guys who are still doing kickflips in their mid-50's than to some suit who has never once thought about picking up a board and pushing down the street.
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tl;dr

I read it and it was bang on.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: AsianVegan on May 06, 2021, 11:26:27 PM
Their snow program was similar to how SB is now - they won over lots of "core" snow people, picked the right riders, had well done videos etc. and the product was based on classic Nike designs - and it surprised people when they ditched it.
     
When they pulled out of snowboarding in 2014 I remember hearing it was because Nike have some crazy expectations for growth/profit margins that they need to maintain if they're gonna operate in that market - like XXX% amount of year-on-year growth while keeping a profit margin of XXX% and "action sports" wasn't meeting them - basically they have a very strict definition of "profitable"

The Nike snow budget was reinvested back into growing Nike SB - which is weird since they had already known "action sports" as not profitable.

I'm pretty sure there is a similar story for them pulling out of Ice Hockey too.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Tuff Lover on May 07, 2021, 01:22:08 AM
I was watching Jaws last night... are Brody and Hooper wearing Vans?

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Post by: backside_reacharound on May 07, 2021, 01:47:41 AM
I was watching Jaws last night... are Brody and Hooper wearing Vans?
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Post by: rukes on May 07, 2021, 02:28:53 AM
Can someone explain to me why they think Nike is a good company to buy skate shoes from? Like, lay out an argument that's not based on "they're (all shoe companies) all bad (or the same)" or you're "you're clinging to the past." All I can really see is that the Nike logo holds some heavy micro-level social status flex, ie, wearing Nike is "cool" or fashionable. I'm not trying to be snarky, I just don't get it and would appreciate reading the take of y'all diehard Nike fans.

Because they do most of their shoes in a size 15 and you try walking into a skateshop and asking for a size 15.
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Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on May 07, 2021, 02:36:19 AM
Their snow program was similar to how SB is now - they won over lots of "core" snow people, picked the right riders, had well done videos etc. and the product was based on classic Nike designs - and it surprised people when they ditched it.
     
When they pulled out of snowboarding in 2014 I remember hearing it was because Nike have some crazy expectations for growth/profit margins that they need to maintain if they're gonna operate in that market - like XXX% amount of year-on-year growth while keeping a profit margin of XXX% and "action sports" wasn't meeting them - basically they have a very strict definition of "profitable"

The Nike snow budget was reinvested back into growing Nike SB - which is weird since they had already known "action sports" as not profitable.

I'm pretty sure there is a similar story for them pulling out of Ice Hockey too.

Good post.

DO you also happen to know what happend to the snowboard industry when Nike pulled out?

Did the "real core" companies flourish again? Did other new companies come in? Is Adidas even still in the Snowboard branch? I know Vans came in, and still is?

I feel like there's a parallel with skateboarding, so I'm genuinely wondering what happend in that scene afterwards.
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Post by: cucktard on May 07, 2021, 03:12:19 AM
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Their snow program was similar to how SB is now - they won over lots of "core" snow people, picked the right riders, had well done videos etc. and the product was based on classic Nike designs - and it surprised people when they ditched it.
     
When they pulled out of snowboarding in 2014 I remember hearing it was because Nike have some crazy expectations for growth/profit margins that they need to maintain if they're gonna operate in that market - like XXX% amount of year-on-year growth while keeping a profit margin of XXX% and "action sports" wasn't meeting them - basically they have a very strict definition of "profitable"

The Nike snow budget was reinvested back into growing Nike SB - which is weird since they had already known "action sports" as not profitable.

I'm pretty sure there is a similar story for them pulling out of Ice Hockey too.
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Good post.

DO you also happen to know what happend to the snowboard industry when Nike pulled out?

Did the "real core" companies flourish again? Did other new companies come in? Is Adidas even still in the Snowboard branch? I know Vans came in, and still is?

I feel like there's a parallel with skateboarding, so I'm genuinely wondering what happend in that scene afterwards.

As far as I can tell, not too much. I don’t think Nike got as much of the market share, and their boots were not so sought after as to affect the shops too badly after they quit. It’s not like people were waiting for their ‘drops’.

Adidas is kind on in the periphery. They are there, but not really doing much except selling athletic-pant themed snowwear.

Vans has been in the game for a long time, so they are pretty entrenched. And put out videos every once in a while.

The other ‘core’ companies like 32 (a branch of Sole Technologies), Deluxe, and Burton seem to all have their niches, as well as other smaller board companies that sell their own line of boots.

It’s not quite the same situation where Nike has a lot of shops by the balls with order quotas and drops.

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Ghost Face on May 07, 2021, 03:23:45 AM
DC is quite into Snow, right? They share quite a bit on IG and have a pretty big range including boards

https://www.dcshoes.com/snow/
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Idk on May 07, 2021, 08:13:51 AM
The thing is skateboarding is like cockroaches or Keith Richards. Once Nike leaves and skateboarding isn't cool any more companies like eS, Last Resort, new companies will take their place and sell skate shoes to skaters. We'll just have to remember to not let Nike in again.
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Post by: Swithflip on May 07, 2021, 08:27:05 AM
Gabriel Fortunato seems moved from main prodigy kid braziliam team to flow.

The cuts are true.
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a skate shoe. doesn't change the fact that no skater ever developed any part of a skate shoe ever in his live.
all ideas by nike and Adidas and some surfer at vans by doing shoes over 100 years so a son of a bitch from California could make millions by just using those informations and making his own shoe out of it. just so the consumer who doesn't know shit can point a finger at nike because they are the bad company because they don't even skate in office bro. bet they don't even smoke pot in there or shot gun a beer fucking lames.
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How about DESIGN, ENDORSEMENT and in some cases MONEY.

Is that enough?
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Yeah, that's a bullshit claim. Do they expect a skater to go to a Chinese factory and build them themselves? Sure, not every pro is going to design their own shoe these days but to say they're not involved whatsoever is BS
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no I don't I expect them to not claim to be the holy gods in shoe business because the money they make isn't going straight into skateboarders pockets.

I know you love the idea that your shoe company looks like your local skate shop and the owner is like your skate shop owner and fights to make a living so you buy some goods from him and he's so thankful and brave and talk about how the years fly by and he's still there and you sit in front of the shop and its getting melancholy.
that's just stupid.
give me an example for a shoe technology made by a skater?
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Sole Tech (started by a skater) built a skatepark purely for the skaters they followed to work on and test out the science of the skate shoes they made
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And also donated a ton of money for the skatepark in Lake Forest to get built as well as the Buy A Shoe, Plant A Tree program, putting on events such as Game of Skates, Wild in the Streets, demos/signings to get skaters to the local shop, giving away thousands of pairs of shoes to the homeless and much more.

I may come off bias but my opinions are purely from 20+ years of being a skateboarder, not because of who I work for.

First things first, I don't really have an issue of the corporate brands being in skateboarding. They're huge companies and saw opportunities to get into sports that they weren't in and wanted to make as much money as humanly possible. I get it and who am I to say who can or can't be in skateboarding. I can say though that I've never bought a pair of SB's, Adidas, Cons or #NB. Growing up there weren't many corporate brands in skating like there are today so all I knew about were the "core" footwear brands. Basically I wore mostly Emerica and Es with some Circa's and Fallen in the mix. Even after Nike and the rest of the corporate brands got into skateboarding, I never had any interest in supporting those brands because it just felt wrong to me. I wanted to support the guys that started brands for the right reasons, not to make a quick buck. I can tell you Pierre Andre started the Sole Tech brands because there just weren't a ton of footwear options for skateboarders back then. As a kid to an adult, that always stood out to me and was proud to support the brands that were there for the right reasons and deserved to be. It's very unfortunate that brands like Circa, Adio, HUF, and even Osiris (when it was cool at one point) couldn't survive due to those big brands coming in and taking over.

In regards to this thread, Nike doesn't give a fuck about skateboarding and neither do the other big brands. I'm not saying that in a hateful way, it's "nothing but the truth". The second those skateboarding programs aren't profitable, they will pull out. SB already did it in snowboarding and is doing it now in skate to a degree. Cutting pros, flow riders, and even valuable employees is proof enough. Now add in all the core skate shops they're pulling out of to focus on their own Direct to Consumer business model. Getting into these shops years ago just to become legitimized to skaters only to bail on shops to make more money for themselves is a giant fuck you to skate shops especially after posting that "58 reasons to support skate shops" video on Skate Shop Day while at the same time sending letters to shops dropping their accounts. There's no doubt that Nike did a great job recruiting core skateboarders to run SB and to me, it's a major red flag when they decide to get rid of the guys who basically built the SB program and helped make it so successful. At this point, SB is out of the hands of skateboarders and run by people who have never stepped foot on a skateboard and never will. The truth is that SB doesn't need 50+ team riders or to flow every kid anymore. They could just have a few riders such as Ishod, GT, Nyjah, Prod and be totally fine. They've already stated they're moving away from athlete endorsements. I don't think SB will ever fully cut the skate program but could they downsize it or murge SB into just Nike? Yeah, probably.

I won't be that guy that says "support skater owned because it's right thing to do". Support whatever you feel like. I just hope people realize that they can either support brands who truly care about skateboarding or those that don't. The more support the little guys get, the more they're able to do whether it be to take care of more skateboarders, put out more projects, give back to local skate scenes, etc. Some people care about skater owned and operated while some don't and that's totally okay. I think there's enough room for all the brands core or not to be in skateboarding but I'd rather give my money to the guys who are still doing kickflips in their mid-50's than to some suit who has never once thought about picking up a board and pushing down the street.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Murray Hewitt on May 14, 2021, 08:52:41 PM
Raven skating in halfcabs on the Crailtap Insta. Definitely seems like a slimming over at Nike.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on May 14, 2021, 08:54:35 PM
Raven skating in halfcabs on the Crailtap Insta. Definitely seems like a slimming over at Nike.

I saw that.  He was skating Jordans literally yesterday
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Vds on May 15, 2021, 07:11:44 AM
Hopefully soon
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Post by: doublesteveburger on May 15, 2021, 08:31:50 AM
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Raven skating in halfcabs on the Crailtap Insta. Definitely seems like a slimming over at Nike.
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I saw that.  He was skating Jordans literally yesterday


What even is skateboarding these days
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on May 15, 2021, 09:00:57 AM
Raven has never fitted in any of his sponsors. Has removed Nike SB from his bio.
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Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on May 15, 2021, 09:29:01 AM
I’m 100% sure they’re going to pull out or are going to merge it with “nike in general”.

The moment you’re firing people that helped built it you know what’s up.

Tons of flow kids I know are not getting anything anymore either. And a lot of them are not getting shoes from anyone anymore... there’s too many great skaters to support, and the only companies that can support such a gigantic amount are adidas and nike.

But, what will happen according to you guys?

- new balance, adidas ... will follow and will pull out as well? I’m going to be honest: adidas is really really popular over here. But new Balance? I’ve never seen anyone wear that to skate in?
- will new companies pop up? By skaters?
- will cariuma get bigger and bigger?
- I’m watching the cringy USA olympic qualifiers, and it’s all sponsored by nike SB ...

Strange times ...
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ninformatic on May 15, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
leave the CTAS Pro and One Star Pro alone bro
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Post by: Lame_Nigga on May 15, 2021, 12:01:16 PM
I’m 100% sure they’re going to pull out or are going to merge it with “nike in general”.

The moment you’re firing people that helped built it you know what’s up.

Tons of flow kids I know are not getting anything anymore either. And a lot of them are not getting shoes from anyone anymore... there’s too many great skaters to support, and the only companies that can support such a gigantic amount are adidas and nike.

But, what will happen according to you guys?

- new balance, adidas ... will follow and will pull out as well? I’m going to be honest: adidas is really really popular over here. But new Balance? I’ve never seen anyone wear that to skate in?
- will new companies pop up? By skaters?
- will cariuma get bigger and bigger?
- I’m watching the cringy USA olympic qualifiers, and it’s all sponsored by nike SB ...

Strange times ...
I think Adidas will still stay relatively the same, may swoop up a couple riders. NB won't change at all. I see a lot of people wearing them but don't think they'll take advantage of it.

Cariuma will try but their shoe designs are fucking hideous and why would anyone want to wear them? I guess if they're desperate.

I'm hoping one or two new skater owned companies will spring up, but they're only gonna cut the lower hanging fruit who might not have the clout to start a brand.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on May 15, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
Really doubt they're going to pull out. They're just going to cut back on their roster. Sponsoring every skater under the sun was a deliberate tactic, they didn't do it to be generous to the local flow-level guys. Now that's done its job there's no need to do it any more. They did the exact same thing in football when they got into it and are doing the same thing now cutting contracts left and right.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 15, 2021, 12:29:34 PM
Really doubt they're going to pull out. They're just going to cut back on their roster. Sponsoring every skater under the sun was a deliberate tactic, they didn't do it to be generous to the local flow-level guys. Now that's done its job there's no need to do it any more. They did the exact same thing in football when they got into it and are doing the same thing now cutting contracts left and right.

Ok

And how's that not shitty
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Crailslideyoface on May 15, 2021, 12:33:38 PM
Nigel and Nike are becoming one sentient being and will soon be known only as Send Boots
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Post by: Bread Harrity on May 15, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
and despite all this kevin terpening is still just sitting there on the team page
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Post by: urbneathme on May 15, 2021, 02:03:38 PM
and despite all this kevin terpening is still just sitting there on the team page
he’s the glue holding the whole team together, what do you mean?
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Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on May 15, 2021, 03:11:57 PM
Nigel and Nike are becoming one sentient being and will soon be known only as Send Boots

Nikel
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on May 15, 2021, 03:20:05 PM
Curious to see if we see an uptake on people who were flow for Nike SB or any big company start wearing Emerica, Lakai, Etnies, eS, State, etc, or will they just get what they can from any of the other big companies.
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Post by: KUberry on May 15, 2021, 06:06:20 PM
Curious to see if we see an uptake on people who were flow for Nike SB or any big company start wearing Emerica, Lakai, Etnies, eS, State, etc, or will they just get what they can from any of the other big companies.

They basically said, “Well Covid hit us...so...cut the flow program or cut shareholder distributions/bonuses?”

You see the outcome
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on May 16, 2021, 04:31:57 AM
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Really doubt they're going to pull out. They're just going to cut back on their roster. Sponsoring every skater under the sun was a deliberate tactic, they didn't do it to be generous to the local flow-level guys. Now that's done its job there's no need to do it any more. They did the exact same thing in football when they got into it and are doing the same thing now cutting contracts left and right.
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Ok

And how's that not shitty

Erm, it is? I didn't say it isn't? Just pointing it out as a lot of people seem to think cutting some riders means they must be closing the whole program down
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Post by: ninformatic on May 16, 2021, 04:47:55 AM
Carlisle Aikens - Adidas
Hosea Peeters - ?
Gabriel Fortunato - Nike no longer on IG Bio
Raven Tershy - Half-Cabs
Alex Midler - ?
Zion Wright - Vans
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Tabletop on May 16, 2021, 05:11:04 AM
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2 team manager (kaspar, maybe Colin Kennedy? and other old guy) is of Nike sb.
Source: instagram story of my crazy French friend Max Geronzi and other dude that i don't remember.
I never liked that dude (Kaspar), much better Colin Kennedy.
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Not to be "that" guy .... but have you ever met Kaspar?
I saw him skate plenty enough when I was young.

Not only did he rip, he was funny as hell as well.
And he did A LOT for European ams no one knew (and the established US pro's of course) ...

I'm not a nike SB fan at all, but hard to hate Kaspar to be honest.

Pretty own to earth guy ... that went to school because he thought he'd never make it in skating anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPooYnAq03E)

Isn’t Kaspar the guy that stole Karsten from Lakai and then asked Girl if they could put Karsten on so he was on a cool board company?
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Post by: Urtripping on May 16, 2021, 05:52:22 AM
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and despite all this kevin terpening is still just sitting there on the team page
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he’s the glue holding the whole team together, what do you mean?

Lmao they literally forgot about him, just like the rest of us
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Post by: Don on May 16, 2021, 06:40:05 AM
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and despite all this kevin terpening is still just sitting there on the team page
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he’s the glue holding the whole team together, what do you mean?
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Lmao they literally forgot about him, just like the rest of us

We didn't...
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Post by: snowballz on May 16, 2021, 08:25:08 PM
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and despite all this kevin terpening is still just sitting there on the team page
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he’s the glue holding the whole team together, what do you mean?
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Lmao they literally forgot about him, just like the rest of us
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We didn't...

From a financial standpoint alone, it's crazy that they booted Zion and kept Terp.
Keep in mind I'm stoked Terp is still on. He's still on the team page, at least. Although Raven is still listed on the team page, so I don't know how accurate that is.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on May 16, 2021, 08:50:34 PM
I like that skaters have no agency in the matter.  They only leave Nike if they are cruelly culled from the roster, not that perhaps Adidas or Vans are offering these skaters more money or firmer spots on the team. 

Good thing there isn’t an imminent Nike Sb video about to drop featuring GT and Oski otherwise this thread might look silly
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Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on May 16, 2021, 09:48:25 PM
Carlisle Aikens - Adidas
Hosea Peeters - ?
Gabriel Fortunato - Nike no longer on IG Bio
Raven Tershy - Half-Cabs
Alex Midler - ?
Zion Wright - Vans

Of list:
Kelly bird
Monica Torres
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on May 16, 2021, 09:54:21 PM
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Carlisle Aikens - Adidas
Hosea Peeters - ?
Gabriel Fortunato - Nike no longer on IG Bio
Raven Tershy - Half-Cabs
Alex Midler - ?
Zion Wright - Vans
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Of list:
Kelly bird
Monica Torres

Then why is Kelly promoting the new nike video on his IG?
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Post by: pointandclick on May 16, 2021, 09:57:24 PM
Carlisle Aikens - Adidas
Hosea Peeters - ?
Gabriel Fortunato - Nike no longer on IG Bio
Raven Tershy - Half-Cabs
Alex Midler - ?
Zion Wright - Vans
raven tershy doesnt need a shoe sponsor
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on May 16, 2021, 10:08:23 PM
KA seen wearing Vans.  Cons must be leaving the industry too
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Post by: Eric Dolphy on May 16, 2021, 10:29:07 PM
KA seen wearing Vans.  Cons must be leaving the industry too
He's off the team page, so is Al Davis.

https://www.converse.com/c/skate

Maybe they finally got the memo.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on May 16, 2021, 10:36:51 PM
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KA seen wearing Vans.  Cons must be leaving the industry too
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He's off the team page, so is Al Davis.

https://www.converse.com/c/skate

Maybe they finally got the memo.

Weird how at least two chocolate riders have changed shoes on this NY trip
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Post by: toque on May 17, 2021, 02:00:27 AM
Was kinda feeling fs180's unhinged energy in this thread.

The dude that wrote a bunch of paragraphs about the Stay Flared tour or whatever is pretty wild as well. I wonder if he goes back and watches videos of the demos and thinks about how much he appreciates skater-operated shoe companies.
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Post by: Pete on May 17, 2021, 07:43:16 AM
lol that post belongs in 2005. yall are acting like nike hasnt done this before.


literally nobody is wearing emericas unless they get them for free and or work for soletech. emerica peaked after the reynolds 3, theyve been running the same 'white kids who listen to alternative rock and feeble handrails' shit for way too long.


free max b
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Post by: wuust on May 17, 2021, 11:22:11 AM
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Carlisle Aikens - Adidas
Hosea Peeters - ?
Gabriel Fortunato - Nike no longer on IG Bio
Raven Tershy - Half-Cabs
Alex Midler - ?
Zion Wright - Vans
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Of list:
Kelly bird
Monica Torres

where you getting that monica is of?
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Post by: ok boomer on May 17, 2021, 11:46:18 AM
First she was in street league, afterwards, looked seductive

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Post by: DCLOVE on May 17, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
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and despite all this kevin terpening is still just sitting there on the team page
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he’s the glue holding the whole team together, what do you mean?
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Lmao they literally forgot about him, just like the rest of us
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We didn't...
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From a financial standpoint alone, it's crazy that they booted Zion and kept Terp.
Keep in mind I'm stoked Terp is still on. He's still on the team page, at least. Although Raven is still listed on the team page, so I don't know how accurate that is.
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Has raven even done anything but a couple Instagram clips here and there and maybe a clip or two in some tour vids since he got on two years ago? I feel like he wanted to fully jump ship to like antihero or hockey  something when Berle left and that didn’t work out so he just gave up and started his towing business.

Side note I went to the Nike store in Santa Monica last week and they had all of three SB shoes in the entire store and it was just one Nyjah , one Shane and I wanna say a gt blazer. I know they try and sell more through online and skate shops for the sb line but 3 shoes is pretty low stock for a corpo store . Even the adidas store has at least 5-6 models from the sb line in store
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Post by: DCLOVE on May 17, 2021, 01:02:27 PM
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and despite all this kevin terpening is still just sitting there on the team page
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he’s the glue holding the whole team together, what do you mean?
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Lmao they literally forgot about him, just like the rest of us
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We didn't...
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From a financial standpoint alone, it's crazy that they booted Zion and kept Terp.
Keep in mind I'm stoked Terp is still on. He's still on the team page, at least. Although Raven is still listed on the team page, so I don't know how accurate that is.
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Has raven even done anything but a couple Instagram clips here and there and maybe a clip or two in some tour vids since he got on two years ago? I feel like he wanted to fully jump ship to like antihero or hockey  something when Berle left and that didn’t work out so he just gave up and started his towing business.

Side note I went to the Nike store in Santa Monica last week and they had all of three SB shoes in the entire store and it was just one Nyjah , one Shane and I wanna say a gt blazer. I know they try and sell more through online and skate shops for the sb line but 3 shoes is pretty low stock for a corpo store . Even the adidas store has at least 5-6 models from the sb line in store.

vans actually pushes the pro models pretty hard in store from what I’ve found the last week hunting down Gilbert’s. They had at least 2-3 colorways of pretty much every pro model. And that’s all while having much smaller retail spaces than either of the corpo skate competitors on the same block
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Post by: edward shay on May 17, 2021, 01:55:11 PM
Carlisle Aikens - Adidas
Hosea Peeters - ?
Gabriel Fortunato - Nike no longer on IG Bio
Raven Tershy - Half-Cabs
Alex Midler - ?
Zion Wright - Vans

???
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Post by: Swithflip on May 17, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
Carlisle Aikens - Adidas
Hosea Peeters - ?
Gabriel Fortunato - Nike no longer on IG Bio
Raven Tershy - Half-Cabs
Alex Midler - ?
Zion Wright - Vans

Lucas Rabelo - Nike no longer on ig Bio.
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Post by: Matthew_James on May 17, 2021, 06:00:41 PM
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KA seen wearing Vans.  Cons must be leaving the industry too
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He's off the team page, so is Al Davis.

https://www.converse.com/c/skate

Maybe they finally got the memo.

Did they change their team page over the last day? I don’t see KA or Al Davis listed anymore.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: rukes on May 17, 2021, 06:50:32 PM
I heard Nike is trying to get rid of Kevin Terpening but they just keep getting his voicemail which is set to the tune of Joey Scarburys 'Believe it or not' and goes something like...

"Believe it or not, Kevin isn't at home, please leave a message, at the beep. I must be out or I'd pick up the phone, where could I be?"

Kevin Terpening really wants to make a big entrance at the ball, with Nike on his arm.
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Post by: Dirty Douggie on May 17, 2021, 09:42:27 PM
Aurelien Giraud is off too. I learnt that through French media.

Very weird, il looks like they're getting rid of all the sportiest dudes....
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Post by: Eric Dolphy on May 17, 2021, 10:00:00 PM
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KA seen wearing Vans.  Cons must be leaving the industry too
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He's off the team page, so is Al Davis.

https://www.converse.com/c/skate

Maybe they finally got the memo.
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Did they change their team page over the last day? I don’t see KA or Al Davis listed anymore.
That's what I said?
- ahh my bad, i misspelled "of", that's probably why you're confused
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Post by: fredgallSOTY on May 17, 2021, 10:26:06 PM
Aurelien Giraud is off too. I learnt that through French media.

Very weird, il looks like they're getting rid of all the sportiest dudes....
now is this the worst thing...
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Post by: Dirty Douggie on May 17, 2021, 11:40:15 PM
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Aurelien Giraud is off too. I learnt that through French media.

Very weird, il looks like they're getting rid of all the sportiest dudes....
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now is this the worst thing...
It sure is not. But with the Olympics coming,  i thought they would actually pursue that route...
Well,  if Cyrus is well taken care of,  im  a happy man
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Post by: Matthew_James on May 20, 2021, 08:54:19 AM
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KA seen wearing Vans.  Cons must be leaving the industry too
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He's off the team page, so is Al Davis.

https://www.converse.com/c/skate

Maybe they finally got the memo.
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Did they change their team page over the last day? I don’t see KA or Al Davis listed anymore.
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That's what I said?
- ahh my bad, i misspelled "of", that's probably why you're confused

Ah, why isn’t you say so?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Craig Lutzka on May 20, 2021, 09:13:06 AM
Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 20, 2021, 09:15:15 AM
Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link

These look like they told PRod he had to use materials from the scrap pile for his new colorway.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Ayanami on May 20, 2021, 12:29:43 PM
I dont see why nike would keep the skate program. most of the shoes have been a bust except for janoski and dunks, but janoskis have fallen out of favor and dunks don't need to be in SB.
I was about to disagree with you but I realized the blazers I’m skating aren’t even SB but still get the job done.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on May 20, 2021, 12:30:46 PM
Ravens back wearing nikes
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Post by: h00man on May 20, 2021, 12:36:36 PM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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These look like they told PRod he had to use materials from the scrap pile for his new colorway.

These are all of Prods infamous colorways plastered onto one shoe... Just give us the original colorways instead.
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Post by: duniwayRobber on May 20, 2021, 12:54:22 PM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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These look like they told PRod he had to use materials from the scrap pile for his new colorway.
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These are all of Prods infamous colorways plastered onto one shoe... Just give us the original colorways instead.

But, then how would they sell a bunch of scrap material for $150 to the mentally-challenged sneaker community?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ColorWheelsGraphicsOut on May 20, 2021, 08:24:42 PM
Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link

Everytime someone on here talks about how much better Nike's designs are than say, Emerica or Lakai, my mind immediately goes to shit like this.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Pete on May 21, 2021, 12:58:15 AM
That dumb colorway is literally a mashup of materials/colors used on all the promodel nikes he’s had which is like 11 if you count the j-rod.

Y’all really too dumb to see that? Shits literally named “what the paul”... as in it’s basically a “what the” dunk 2.0


Nike started renewing contracts this past week. Expect Kader to be back in nikes in a month



Free max b
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Post by: Ghost Face on May 21, 2021, 01:18:22 AM
That dumb colorway is literally a mashup of materials/colors used on all the promodel nikes he’s had which is like 11 if you count the j-rod.

Y’all really too dumb to see that? Shits literally named “what the paul”... as in it’s basically a “what the” dunk 2.0


Nike started renewing contracts this past week. Expect Kader to be back in nikes in a month



Free max b

Scouts will be at DewTour this whole week looking for talent. I take it whomever places top 3 in each discipline will get an offer.
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Post by: Paul Cicero on May 21, 2021, 02:27:40 AM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Everytime someone on here talks about how much better Nike's designs are than say, Emerica or Lakai, my mind immediately goes to shit like this.

Fucken oath.

Every so often I look at the upcoming nike thread and am blown away by how hideous and lame some of these shoes are, and the worst part is losers actually care about these upcoming shoes. Yuck


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Post by: mclovin1336 on May 21, 2021, 04:33:54 AM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Everytime someone on here talks about how much better Nike's designs are than say, Emerica or Lakai, my mind immediately goes to shit like this.
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Fucken oath.

Every so often I look at the upcoming nike thread and am blown away by how hideous and lame some of these shoes are, and the worst part is losers actually care about these upcoming shoes. Yuck

"classic" nike shoes are fine (blazers low, blazers, bruin, court), but yeah these colourways are getting out of hand
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Post by: fs180 on May 21, 2021, 04:50:19 AM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Everytime someone on here talks about how much better Nike's designs are than say, Emerica or Lakai, my mind immediately goes to shit like this.
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Fucken oath.

Every so often I look at the upcoming nike thread and am blown away by how hideous and lame some of these shoes are, and the worst part is losers actually care about these upcoming shoes. Yuck
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"classic" nike shoes are fine (blazers low, blazers, bruin, court), but yeah these colourways are getting out of hand


yea man the last brown emericas were such a good and strong design choice big ups for being progressive and trying new things


that being said
shoe looks gross but I get the point
dont buy dunks they are played out
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Post by: Murge on May 21, 2021, 05:48:50 AM
That dumb colorway is literally a mashup of materials/colors used on all the promodel nikes he’s had which is like 11 if you count the j-rod.

Y’all really too dumb to see that? Shits literally named “what the paul”... as in it’s basically a “what the” dunk 2.0


Nike started renewing contracts this past week. Expect Kader to be back in nikes in a month



Free max b

Pretty sure there been established in this thread or another when people was making fun of them. They are still ugly as fuck and look like budget floor scraps sewn together.

Also this isnt supposed to come of as an attack. Just a longer  “yeah , but still” response
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Post by: figureitout on May 21, 2021, 07:30:00 AM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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These look like they told PRod he had to use materials from the scrap pile for his new colorway.
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These are all of Prods infamous colorways plastered onto one shoe... Just give us the original colorways instead.
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But, then how would they sell a bunch of scrap material for $150 to the mentally-challenged sneaker community?

hahaha yes! +1
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: sharkin on May 21, 2021, 07:37:05 AM
Terps is still on the team page and he hasn’t posted on Instagram in a year and a half

I’ll hold any speculations regarding Nike backing out of skating as unfounded until this canary is kill
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Post by: shannamal on May 21, 2021, 08:26:45 AM
Terps is still on the team page and he hasn’t posted on Instagram in a year and a half

I’ll hold any speculations regarding Nike backing out of skating as unfounded until this canary is kill

he's into bikes and concrete work now
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Post by: manysnakes on May 21, 2021, 09:11:42 AM
That dumb colorway is literally a mashup of materials/colors used on all the promodel nikes he’s had which is like 11 if you count the j-rod.

Y’all really too dumb to see that? Shits literally named “what the paul”... as in it’s basically a “what the” dunk 2.0


Nike started renewing contracts this past week. Expect Kader to be back in nikes in a month



Free max b

Imagine keeping track of different eras of a pro skater’s shoe and then calling other people dumb because they didn’t.
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Post by: ok boomer on May 21, 2021, 12:09:08 PM
I hope Janoski , every now and then, pulls one of these at PRod (about success of shoe)

(https://i.ibb.co/PCNVYj1/borat.gif) (https://ibb.co/q1d2njm)
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Post by: shannamal on May 21, 2021, 12:16:21 PM
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That dumb colorway is literally a mashup of materials/colors used on all the promodel nikes he’s had which is like 11 if you count the j-rod.

Y’all really too dumb to see that? Shits literally named “what the paul”... as in it’s basically a “what the” dunk 2.0


Nike started renewing contracts this past week. Expect Kader to be back in nikes in a month



Free max b
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Imagine keeping track of different eras of a pro skater’s shoe and then calling other people dumb because they didn’t.

imagine being on a skate forum and being offended someone knows something about skating you don't
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Post by: manysnakes on May 21, 2021, 12:20:56 PM
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That dumb colorway is literally a mashup of materials/colors used on all the promodel nikes he’s had which is like 11 if you count the j-rod.

Y’all really too dumb to see that? Shits literally named “what the paul”... as in it’s basically a “what the” dunk 2.0


Nike started renewing contracts this past week. Expect Kader to be back in nikes in a month



Free max b
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Imagine keeping track of different eras of a pro skater’s shoe and then calling other people dumb because they didn’t.
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imagine being on a skate forum and being offended someone knows something about skating you don't

You're confusing "bemused" with "offended".
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Post by: sus on May 21, 2021, 02:42:15 PM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Everytime someone on here talks about how much better Nike's designs are than say, Emerica or Lakai, my mind immediately goes to shit like this.
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Fucken oath.

Every so often I look at the upcoming nike thread and am blown away by how hideous and lame some of these shoes are, and the worst part is losers actually care about these upcoming shoes. Yuck
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"classic" nike shoes are fine (blazers low, blazers, bruin, court), but yeah these colourways are getting out of hand
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yea man the last brown emericas were such a good and strong design choice big ups for being progressive and trying new things


that being said
shoe looks gross but I get the point
dont buy dunks they are played out

word on the street is that this is the last P.Rod colorway or shoe for that matter. I'm not a big fan of Nike but I really hope that they don't stop giving Paul colorways/pro models
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Post by: jakeumms on May 26, 2021, 01:07:40 PM
Specific Nike SB branding was sporadic on the skaters at Dew Tour last weekend. Nigel in what looked like a Nike Tennis shirt and Sky Brown in a straight up Nike logo shirt. Yuto kept it real with some SB gear.  I wouldn't have noticed the SB was missing if not for this thread.
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Post by: backside_reacharound on May 26, 2021, 08:06:11 PM
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Goddamn these have to be the ugliest fucking shoes ever made.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPGVkkKpcdb/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Everytime someone on here talks about how much better Nike's designs are than say, Emerica or Lakai, my mind immediately goes to shit like this.
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Fucken oath.

Every so often I look at the upcoming nike thread and am blown away by how hideous and lame some of these shoes are, and the worst part is losers actually care about these upcoming shoes. Yuck
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"classic" nike shoes are fine (blazers low, blazers, bruin, court), but yeah these colourways are getting out of hand
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yea man the last brown emericas were such a good and strong design choice big ups for being progressive and trying new things


that being said
shoe looks gross but I get the point
dont buy dunks they are played out
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word on the street is that this is the last P.Rod colorway or shoe for that matter. I'm not a big fan of Nike but I really hope that they don't stop giving Paul colorways/pro models

word around town... often they still rip
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: breezer on May 27, 2021, 04:18:59 AM
Nike aint cutting the skate program....they are simply cutting costs.....contracts not being renewed etc.......maybe someone upstairs felt the whole program was a bit bloated and he told the TM's to cut things down.....its as simple as that. 
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Post by: Ghost Face on May 28, 2021, 05:48:11 AM
Terps is of. and some others I can't think of

https://www.nikesb.com/team
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Post by: VCR on May 28, 2021, 05:51:36 AM
Max Palmer?
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Post by: urbneathme on May 28, 2021, 06:20:55 AM
Terps is of. and some others I can't think of

https://www.nikesb.com/team
fuck nike forever. how dare they.
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Post by: mattchew on May 28, 2021, 06:49:23 AM
Max Palmer?

I could be mistaken but I don’t think he’s ever been listed on their website.

Terps is gone? Wow. End of days indeed.
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Post by: Donkey Lips on May 28, 2021, 07:10:51 AM
Terps is of.

NOOOOO and Justin!?
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Post by: Idk on May 28, 2021, 07:12:32 AM
I don’t think Nike understands the ramifications of kicking Terps off.
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Post by: duniwayRobber on May 28, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
Hard to tell if the remaining people 'made the cut' or are just awaiting a contract to expire.

Can't imagine Nick Boserio is bringing a lot of value to the brand (though me gusta his skateboarding tricks).
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Post by: Southernmost on May 28, 2021, 11:27:56 AM
Highly doubt Nike had “scrap material” just laying around for What The P Rods. Like they just have a bin inside the warehouse labeled old P Rod stuff haha. They might not be the most aesthetically pleasing shoes but the details on them are crazy. Kinda cool he debuted them with a part too. Whether you like him or his shoes can’t deny he’s done some great skating over the years. Would be cool to see him go back to éS one day full circle.
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Post by: DCLOVE on May 28, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
That dumb colorway is literally a mashup of materials/colors used on all the promodel nikes he’s had which is like 11 if you count the j-rod.

Y’all really too dumb to see that? Shits literally named “what the paul”... as in it’s basically a “what the” dunk 2.0


Nike started renewing contracts this past week. Expect Kader to be back in nikes in a month



Free max b

I would actually love it if he immediately quit adidas for nike. You know he would too. He didn’t want to go to adidas by the looks of all his clips in nikes and the 2 clips in adidas. He just wanted to get paid cause he’s and idiot who spent 70k on weed last year.
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Post by: Swithflip on May 28, 2021, 11:41:15 AM
Never saw ge11 on team page now he is full on Hugo too.
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Post by: HORSES on May 28, 2021, 02:48:59 PM
Max Palmer?

Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.



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Post by: JA4 on May 28, 2021, 06:28:04 PM
Nike seem to be doing this in other markets too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wvKDn3Nzo
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Post by: matty_c on May 28, 2021, 07:09:19 PM
Milder seems chill if he seems like a full on hungrycunt it’s probably cause he’s probably thinking what the fuck have I got to do here

He’s lowkey always done proper gnarly shit reckon they fucked up dropping him and zion
But I hope both get paid those cunts get buck particularly midler in the streets
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Post by: manysnakes on May 28, 2021, 07:14:36 PM
Nike seem to be doing this in other markets too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wvKDn3Nzo

You know we could end the thread with this, but the speculation will continue indefinitely.
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Post by: toque on May 30, 2021, 12:07:54 AM
Nike seem to be doing this in other markets too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wvKDn3Nzo


This is pretty interesting. Hard to see a strategy like this doing super well in skateboarding though. Stop giving boxes to all the hometown heroes and "cool" underground skaters and there's gonna be a backlash. The general public may think of Nyjah as the best skateboarder but they're probably wearing Jordans or running shoes, not buying his pro model. Kids that skate all day (and run through shoes) are gonna be bummed to see their favorites getting cut and start questioning their swoosh purchases. Maybe they'll just focus on converse as the home of the 'core' skaters or whatever 
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Post by: Esquivel on May 30, 2021, 12:34:08 AM
^ So in between the cariumas, which other brands do you go for?

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Post by: Swithflip on May 30, 2021, 04:59:22 AM
The cuts are fucking real, seems like the whole braziliam program  is of, and Fernando Granja (team manger and filmer) is of.
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Post by: Hevonen on May 30, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wvKDn3Nzo
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This is pretty interesting. Hard to see a strategy like this doing super well in skateboarding though. Stop giving boxes to all the hometown heroes and "cool" underground skaters and there's gonna be a backlash. The general public may think of Nyjah as the best skateboarder but they're probably wearing Jordans or running shoes, not buying his pro model. Kids that skate all day (and run through shoes) are gonna be bummed to see their favorites getting cut and start questioning their swoosh purchases. Maybe they'll just focus on converse as the home of the 'core' skaters or whatever

Does that really matter to nike though? According to a quick google search, Nike sold 780 million pairs of shoes in 2019. I have no idea how many shoes they sold for skating, but it can't be that significant. What they've achieved with skating imo is that now a person who is into a skater aesthetic can wear a Nike outfit and not feel like they're dressed to go jogging or something. They achieved the same thing with golf after a big push and then stepped back. Nike wants to be everywhere but they can't dominate every single core market because that's just too much work and they don't need to do it either because 90% of people aren't part of any core and don't put nearly as much thought into why they're gonna buy a certain brand as skaters do.
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Post by: assvogel on May 31, 2021, 05:50:13 AM
Finnish NikeSB program got canned as well or at least the guy running it. Don't know what it means for riders like Eniz though or what will happen to the distribution, but I'd guess it will be the same across the globe.
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Post by: honey island on May 31, 2021, 06:03:59 AM
The cuts are fucking real, seems like the whole braziliam program  is of, and Fernando Granja (team manger and filmer) is of.

i heard brazil has a tm purely just for the etnies marianas
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Post by: mooraga on May 31, 2021, 06:10:50 AM
The cuts are fucking real, seems like the whole braziliam program  is of, and Fernando Granja (team manger and filmer) is of.

Southamerican team have been chopped off already; the Chilean program got cancelled 1-2 years ago.
Nike Sb Argentina its still going but can't believe exists cause those shoes go REALLY EXPENSIVE over there.
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Post by: MyUserName on May 31, 2021, 06:28:21 AM
Reynolds recently talked about it in an interview and he was absolutely right: back in the day, a lot of us (myself included) hated the mega brands infiltrating skateboarding, but kids today don’t give a fuck. When I first started skating, I was told it’s better for skateboarding to support skater-owned brands, so I did. It just made sense. This new beautiful thing I discovered was mine, and I wanted to “protect” it.

I’m not going to sit here and debate right and wrong, people can buy whatever the fuck they want. But I’m genuinely curious and would love if someone could enlighten me: what changed? Why on earth was my generation so quick to reject outsider brands, but dudes today simply don’t care?
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Post by: Lisa96 on May 31, 2021, 06:35:10 AM
because the outsider brands became the most prevalent during their formative years
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Ghost Face on May 31, 2021, 06:40:11 AM
90% of the shoes sold by Vans/Cons/Nike are NOT bought by skaters. and these brands know that. They don't need a skate program besides using it for marketing, good will and tax write offs in trips and production costs.

Nike could can the whole thing and hardly notice the loss in monetary value. Now image loss, that they might feel and that's why they'll keep a smaller team and mix it in with the other sports.

These smaller territories don't even have a column on their spreadsheets.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on May 31, 2021, 08:38:50 AM
Nice of them to give us one last video


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPirwSXJQnD/
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Post by: manysnakes on May 31, 2021, 08:47:30 AM
Reynolds recently talked about it in an interview and he was absolutely right: back in the day, a lot of us (myself included) hated the mega brands infiltrating skateboarding, but kids today don’t give a fuck. When I first started skating, I was told it’s better for skateboarding to support skater-owned brands, so I did. It just made sense. This new beautiful thing I discovered was mine, and I wanted to “protect” it.

I’m not going to sit here and debate right and wrong, people can buy whatever the fuck they want. But I’m genuinely curious and would love if someone could enlighten me: what changed? Why on earth was my generation so quick to reject outsider brands, but dudes today simply don’t care?

I think that, in large part, younger kids are much more aware of being marketed to, and are less impressed by who is sponsored by what, except insofar as that person “secured their bag”. Brands are everywhere and they’re all more or less equally shitty, so may as well get the ones that look good or will impress your friends.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Double Thick Filbert on May 31, 2021, 10:17:34 AM
So pretty much nike's new CEO and president came in and said fuck skateboarding and now kader has no money for blunts
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 31, 2021, 10:35:05 AM
Reynolds recently talked about it in an interview and he was absolutely right: back in the day, a lot of us (myself included) hated the mega brands infiltrating skateboarding, but kids today don’t give a fuck. When I first started skating, I was told it’s better for skateboarding to support skater-owned brands, so I did. It just made sense. This new beautiful thing I discovered was mine, and I wanted to “protect” it.

I’m not going to sit here and debate right and wrong, people can buy whatever the fuck they want. But I’m genuinely curious and would love if someone could enlighten me: what changed? Why on earth was my generation so quick to reject outsider brands, but dudes today simply don’t care?

I can only speak for myself (30 years old) but I hated every sport I ever tried. Skateboarding was never a sport for me, more like a way to express yourself. When I started skating, I mostly hung around with punks, goths and similar subcultures (terrible word, I know, but you get the point) that wasn't seen as cool as the soccer crowd for example.

It feels like kids nowadays see skating as a sport, just like soccer. And it attracts not only the outsiders, socially awkward kids anymore. It attracts all kinds of kids. Well at least those, who don't pick up a scooter.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: rawbertson. on May 31, 2021, 10:45:03 AM
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Reynolds recently talked about it in an interview and he was absolutely right: back in the day, a lot of us (myself included) hated the mega brands infiltrating skateboarding, but kids today don’t give a fuck. When I first started skating, I was told it’s better for skateboarding to support skater-owned brands, so I did. It just made sense. This new beautiful thing I discovered was mine, and I wanted to “protect” it.

I’m not going to sit here and debate right and wrong, people can buy whatever the fuck they want. But I’m genuinely curious and would love if someone could enlighten me: what changed? Why on earth was my generation so quick to reject outsider brands, but dudes today simply don’t care?
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I think that, in large part, younger kids are much more aware of being marketed to, and are less impressed by who is sponsored by what, except insofar as that person “secured their bag”. Brands are everywhere and they’re all more or less equally shitty, so may as well get the ones that look good or will impress your friends.

Roger from the 9 club said he thinks "a lot of skate shoe companys pumped out shitty shoes for awhile, and nike adidas nb started making really really good skate shoes" i am not 100% sure if he is referring to the really shitty models that didnt sell well (really experimental/hyphy ones) or if he just means in general.

i dont think that statement is super off point though. most skate shoes did suck in retrospect. putting on accels after not wearing them for like 10 years felt fucked up man. i was like wow how did i skate in these. vans suck. they are budget shoes like accel. going into ~2010 the busenitz was such a better shoe than anything else that ws on the market. nike fans loved those janoskis or whatever. New Bals are the best skate shoe i have ever had though free.

idk fuck nike child labor shit. im not gonna sit and pretend that adidas or nb is made by chill pros in cali but i know they hold their factories to higher standard than nike. i dont tihkn the shoes are that hot either but thats just my opinion. i dont like most of their skaters either dashawn and KB are the main guys i like from there idk i just cant get behind it
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: KGB on June 03, 2021, 09:55:22 AM
Milder seems chill if he seems like a full on hungrycunt it’s probably cause he’s probably thinking what the fuck have I got to do here

He’s lowkey always done proper gnarly shit reckon they fucked up dropping him and zion
But I hope both get paid those cunts get buck particularly midler in the streets

Midler the dildler is sporting Adidas in the Rome Practice sessions
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Senrud on June 03, 2021, 12:08:10 PM
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Reynolds recently talked about it in an interview and he was absolutely right: back in the day, a lot of us (myself included) hated the mega brands infiltrating skateboarding, but kids today don’t give a fuck. When I first started skating, I was told it’s better for skateboarding to support skater-owned brands, so I did. It just made sense. This new beautiful thing I discovered was mine, and I wanted to “protect” it.

I’m not going to sit here and debate right and wrong, people can buy whatever the fuck they want. But I’m genuinely curious and would love if someone could enlighten me: what changed? Why on earth was my generation so quick to reject outsider brands, but dudes today simply don’t care?
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I think that, in large part, younger kids are much more aware of being marketed to, and are less impressed by who is sponsored by what, except insofar as that person “secured their bag”. Brands are everywhere and they’re all more or less equally shitty, so may as well get the ones that look good or will impress your friends.
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Roger from the 9 club said he thinks "a lot of skate shoe companys pumped out shitty shoes for awhile, and nike adidas nb started making really really good skate shoes" i am not 100% sure if he is referring to the really shitty models that didnt sell well (really experimental/hyphy ones) or if he just means in general.

i dont think that statement is super off point though. most skate shoes did suck in retrospect. putting on accels after not wearing them for like 10 years felt fucked up man. i was like wow how did i skate in these. vans suck. they are budget shoes like accel. going into ~2010 the busenitz was such a better shoe than anything else that ws on the market. nike fans loved those janoskis or whatever. New Bals are the best skate shoe i have ever had though free.

idk fuck nike child labor shit. im not gonna sit and pretend that adidas or nb is made by chill pros in cali but i know they hold their factories to higher standard than nike. i dont tihkn the shoes are that hot either but thats just my opinion. i dont like most of their skaters either dashawn and KB are the main guys i like from there idk i just cant get behind it

I think it also depends when you started skateboarding/ became aware of the industry. If you're in your 30s or older there was a time when Nike and Adidas were still viewed as the outsiders or the new guys, but at this point the bigger corporations have been in the the game for 20+ years. Gonz has been on adidas since '98. Granted their programs started small and grew, but point is, WE knew a time when these companies weren't part of the core group, most kids skating today don't. It's also just the wheel of trends and what popular culture has been for the last 10+ years or whatever. Skateboarding went from a punk/outsider activity and grew in acceptability, so that section of the pool got diluted with all the new blood that had never really viewed themselves or skateboarding as outcasts. Also, in the trend wheel you can only stay Piss Drunk and punk rock for so long before the wheel keeps turning and you end back at athletic inspired technical skate shoes, Nautica and Hilfiger jeans. So, you know, hard to make a fit work with emerica Laced and some wind pants or whatever.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on June 03, 2021, 12:59:09 PM
So pretty much nike's new CEO and president came in and said fuck skateboarding and now kader has no money for blunts


Am I missing the joke or something? I though Kader was on Adidas. And how tf get/blow 70K on weed! wow.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: RichardBarkley on June 03, 2021, 01:55:19 PM
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So pretty much nike's new CEO and president came in and said fuck skateboarding and now kader has no money for blunts
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Am I missing the joke or something? I though Kader was on Adidas. And how tf get/blow 70K on weed! wow.

I didn't the 70k bit is true
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Witcheshit on June 04, 2021, 08:00:24 PM
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Max Palmer?
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Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.

Damn. Now this site in Brocks ig bio makes sense. https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/ (https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/) Same with Dani Lebron and Erik J Pettersson.  :'(
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: jakeumms on June 04, 2021, 09:01:10 PM
^Yo those headshots. They all look so bummed
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: urbneathme on June 04, 2021, 10:16:07 PM
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Max Palmer?
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Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.
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Damn. Now this site in Brocks ig bio makes sense. https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/ (https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/) Same with Dani Lebron and Erik J Pettersson.  :'(
made possible with the help of nike sb apparently though
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Atiba Applebum on June 04, 2021, 10:24:59 PM
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Max Palmer?
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Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.
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Damn. Now this site in Brocks ig bio makes sense. https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/ (https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/) Same with Dani Lebron and Erik J Pettersson.  :'(
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made possible with the help of nike sb apparently though

Yeah this seems like a positive thing SB is doing to give skaters a way to transition from being pro. There’s only so many TM spots out there
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: KGB on June 05, 2021, 12:28:39 PM
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Max Palmer?
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Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.

Uh no. Willis Kimbel is def not off Nike.

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on June 20, 2021, 01:49:04 AM
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Max Palmer?
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Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.
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Uh no. Willis Kimbel is def not off Nike.


May still be getting shoes from them, but he's been removed from their website.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on June 20, 2021, 01:55:29 AM
Pretty shocked to see Wieger is ACTUALLY off ... he was always one of my favs.

https://www.nikesb.com/team

Pretty sure at least 5 more people will be cut though.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: rejectpaul on June 20, 2021, 02:41:23 AM
Noticed in Australia that Sam Sutton (pass~Port) and rob pace (real) who had clips in recent Nike videos are both wearing vans now? Probably more to come too?
I could see Nike aus just focus on Jack O’Grady, Ben Lawrie, Noah Nayef and Rowan Davis
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Post by: Swithflip on June 20, 2021, 06:11:00 AM
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Max Palmer?
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Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.
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Uh no. Willis Kimbel is def not off Nike.
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May still be getting shoes from them, but he's been removed from their website.

Caleb was in their page as am until 20.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on June 20, 2021, 06:51:12 AM
Noticed in Australia that Sam Sutton (pass~Port) and rob pace (real) who had clips in recent Nike videos are both wearing vans now? Probably more to come too?
I could see Nike aus just focus on Jack O’Grady, Ben Lawrie, Noah Nayef and Rowan Davis


The budget was probably already relatively small, looks like they have just streamlined to the guys who on the global radar. Robert Pace wasn't in the Nike Melbourne video was he?


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Max Palmer?
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Max has never been on there. Neither have Caleb Barnett, Andrew Wilson or Nik Stain though.

Looks like Terps, Justin Brock & Fernando Bramsark are all off, joining Weiger & Willis Kimbel on the scrap heap.
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Uh no. Willis Kimbel is def not off Nike.
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May still be getting shoes from them, but he's been removed from their website.
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Caleb was in their page as am until 20.


Caleb has never been on the Nike SB website.

Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Swithflip on June 20, 2021, 06:56:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SdR9D4ZL4

He was in the page listed as am and had a part in this video...
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Post by: HORSES on June 20, 2021, 07:05:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SdR9D4ZL4

He was in the page listed as am and had a part in this video...

https://web.archive.org/web/20200121043515/https://www.nikesb.com/team


This is what the team page was back in early 2020. He's not on there.
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Post by: Swithflip on June 20, 2021, 07:09:10 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SdR9D4ZL4

He was in the page listed as am and had a part in this video...
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https://web.archive.org/web/20200121043515/https://www.nikesb.com/team


This is what the team page was back in early 2020. He's not on there.

Can you find 19 archive, por favor. Year that trust fall dropped..
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Post by: HORSES on June 20, 2021, 07:15:06 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SdR9D4ZL4

He was in the page listed as am and had a part in this video...
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https://web.archive.org/web/20200121043515/https://www.nikesb.com/team


This is what the team page was back in early 2020. He's not on there.
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Can you find 19 archive, por favor. Year that trust fall dropped..


There isn't one, only goes back to January 2020. Trust Fall came out in July 2019, you seriously think they had Caleb on the website for 5 months? Dropping him off a full year before all the cuts, despite his staying power with high profile sponsors in Supreme & Hockey?

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Post by: Hopeless on June 20, 2021, 08:16:26 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SdR9D4ZL4

He was in the page listed as am and had a part in this video...
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https://web.archive.org/web/20200121043515/https://www.nikesb.com/team


This is what the team page was back in early 2020. He's not on there.
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Can you find 19 archive, por favor. Year that trust fall dropped..
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There isn't one, only goes back to January 2020. Trust Fall came out in July 2019, you seriously think they had Caleb on the website for 5 months? Dropping him off a full year before all the cuts, despite his staying power with high profile sponsors in Supreme & Hockey?

And before that 2019 period, before Supreme, he was on Stussy. There is no way he's been on all these industry staples and gets cut.

Additionally, Kyle Wilson isn't on that "Team" web-page, but is 100% still on Nike SB. This team page is most likely just the people who will be on the "professional" premium contract.
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Post by: KGB on June 20, 2021, 02:16:01 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SdR9D4ZL4

He was in the page listed as am and had a part in this video...
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https://web.archive.org/web/20200121043515/https://www.nikesb.com/team


This is what the team page was back in early 2020. He's not on there.
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Can you find 19 archive, por favor. Year that trust fall dropped..
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There isn't one, only goes back to January 2020. Trust Fall came out in July 2019, you seriously think they had Caleb on the website for 5 months? Dropping him off a full year before all the cuts, despite his staying power with high profile sponsors in Supreme & Hockey?
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And before that 2019 period, before Supreme, he was on Stussy. There is no way he's been on all these industry staples and gets cut.

Additionally, Kyle Wilson isn't on that "Team" web-page, but is 100% still on Nike SB. This team page is most likely just the people who will be on the "professional" premium contract.

Yeah I don't think that team page lists all the riders because they have too many...

https://youtu.be/xHpc8zsEunQ
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Gbeerme on June 26, 2021, 05:44:56 PM
Quarterly revenues up 96%, yet gutting the skate program. 

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-news-live-updates-062421/card/Wa7oNBR8o9pDkU2sJ2DY
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: wilk on June 28, 2021, 04:38:20 PM
Just noticed their flagship SB RPM skate backpack, is no longer being advertised as an SB product on their website, same backpack but no SB tag...just Nike logo. Still has the skate straps and everything, virtually the same bag. Description doesn't say anything about skateboarding either.

https://www.nike.com/t/sportswear-rpm-backpack-f6pVpb (https://www.nike.com/t/sportswear-rpm-backpack-f6pVpb)

Idk if it's a clue or anything but I find it kindof odd, maybe there is some more products they've done this with? Idk. You can still find that original backpack other places, probably final inventory.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: theknifesong on August 10, 2021, 10:06:14 PM
I took a screenshot of Nike SB team page on 2021-04-19 and just went back today. Back in April they had 50 people listed as "team" and as of now they down to 47:

Out:
Fernando Bramsmark
Justin Brock
Raven Tershy
Kevin Terpening

In:
Caleb Barnett
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: DannyDee on August 10, 2021, 10:09:41 PM
I took a screenshot of Nike SB team page on 2021-04-19 and just went back today. Back in April they had 50 people listed as "team" and as of now they down to 47:

Out:
Fernando Bramsmark
Justin Brock
Raven Tershy
Kevin Terpening

In:
Caleb Barnett
To be honest, have any of those guys outside of Brock done anything in the past 3 or 4 years to even have their contract renewed?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: urbneathme on August 10, 2021, 11:08:18 PM
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I took a screenshot of Nike SB team page on 2021-04-19 and just went back today. Back in April they had 50 people listed as "team" and as of now they down to 47:

Out:
Fernando Bramsmark
Justin Brock
Raven Tershy
Kevin Terpening

In:
Caleb Barnett
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To be honest, have any of those guys outside of Brock done anything in the past 3 or 4 years to even have their contract renewed?
brock also moved into some sort of development role with nike

also terpening is the reason they’ve ever sold a pair of goddamn shoes, so that feels like enough
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Post by: Giza Butler on August 11, 2021, 02:05:28 AM
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I took a screenshot of Nike SB team page on 2021-04-19 and just went back today. Back in April they had 50 people listed as "team" and as of now they down to 47:

Out:
Fernando Bramsmark
Justin Brock
Raven Tershy
Kevin Terpening

In:
Caleb Barnett
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To be honest, have any of those guys outside of Brock done anything in the past 3 or 4 years to even have their contract renewed?
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brock also moved into some sort of development role with nike

also terpening is the reason they’ve ever sold a pair of goddamn shoes, so that feels like enough


https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/
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Post by: theknifesong on August 11, 2021, 11:17:00 AM
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I took a screenshot of Nike SB team page on 2021-04-19 and just went back today. Back in April they had 50 people listed as "team" and as of now they down to 47:

Out:
Fernando Bramsmark
Justin Brock
Raven Tershy
Kevin Terpening

In:
Caleb Barnett
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To be honest, have any of those guys outside of Brock done anything in the past 3 or 4 years to even have their contract renewed?
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brock also moved into some sort of development role with nike

also terpening is the reason they’ve ever sold a pair of goddamn shoes, so that feels like enough
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https://www.sbcareerdevelopment.com/

So is it like 401k for ex Nike pro's?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: HORSES on August 11, 2021, 11:21:56 AM
They axed the U.K. team manager last month and a few riders have recently gone to new shoe companies. Zion being a prime example, so I'm wondering how long it'll last for.


This sentence confuses me. Starts off with the UK team, than the example is from the Global team, and now we're back at asking how long the UK program will last for?
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on August 11, 2021, 11:26:43 AM
waiting for all the crazy shake ups that were supposed to happen in June like:



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Post by: ok boomer on August 11, 2021, 11:29:38 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/HzFznK2/aoc5.gif) (https://ibb.co/vPwPZcB)
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Post by: Famdangle on August 11, 2021, 02:38:32 PM
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oh no all those feet with no ugly ass shoes
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You like eS Accels don't you?

I guess you were more of a D3 kinda guy
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Post by: Cheshire Cat on August 11, 2021, 03:24:59 PM
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oh no all those feet with no ugly ass shoes
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You like eS Accels don't you?
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I guess you were more of a D3 kinda guy
This is outstanding patter.
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Post by: Atiba Applebum on August 12, 2021, 01:40:01 AM
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They axed the U.K. team manager last month and a few riders have recently gone to new shoe companies. Zion being a prime example, so I'm wondering how long it'll last for.
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This sentence confuses me. Starts off with the UK team, than the example is from the Global team, and now we're back at asking how long the UK program will last for?
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I mean, it's pretty straight forward. IF Nike are cutting the skate program (as the program is worldwide), then that means that anyone higher up also faces the heat of being cut, like the U.K. TM did, and possibly others will in the U.K. and U.S.A.

Well did they “axe” the UK team manager or not renew his contract?  Same with Zion.   Perhaps he came in with an offer Nike wasn’t interested in and they let him walk. 
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Post by: DannyDee on August 12, 2021, 01:55:09 AM
Pretty shocked to see Wieger is ACTUALLY off ... he was always one of my favs.

https://www.nikesb.com/team

Pretty sure at least 5 more people will be cut though.
I'm sure they'll officially put some people on too. I'd be surprised if Jack O'Grady and Kyle Wilson aren't fully on soon.
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Post by: BALARGUE on August 12, 2021, 02:08:30 AM
waiting for all the crazy shake ups that were supposed to happen in June like:

(https://elements-video-cover-images-0.imgix.net/files/6f38fd44-e874-4341-b4ac-f09b3aa68565/inline_image_preview.jpg?auto=compress&crop=edges&fit=crop&fm=jpeg&h=800&w=1200&s=511b1155a8915864d027be0ad4d9a53f)

it already happened at a more local scale. Many flow guys / local rippers have been cut. Management in charge of SB changed for Europe (Vaughan Baker left Nike in June) and now they save money...
Seems like they don't care too much about that side of skateboarding marketing anymore
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Post by: smoothbrain on August 12, 2021, 03:45:40 AM
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waiting for all the crazy shake ups that were supposed to happen in June like:

(https://elements-video-cover-images-0.imgix.net/files/6f38fd44-e874-4341-b4ac-f09b3aa68565/inline_image_preview.jpg?auto=compress&crop=edges&fit=crop&fm=jpeg&h=800&w=1200&s=511b1155a8915864d027be0ad4d9a53f)
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it already happened at a more local scale. Many flow guys / local rippers have been cut. Management in charge of SB changed for Europe (Vaughan Baker left Nike in June) and now they save money...
Seems like they don't care too much about that side of skateboarding marketing anymore

In terms of UK I know they are cutting a lot of the shop accounts by spring 22, I think maybe 12 shops are keeping their SB account, the future that nike sees is direct to consumer and I don't know how well it will do, a lot of the sales in the shop I work in are just normal people after a pair of shoes (not just skaters after dunks and blazers) most buy the janoski but if thats gone from the shelves they will buy something else. They're not looking at the nike website or app for the latest bog standard shoe they're just coming into the shop and trying on a few pairs and buying whatever takes their fancy, yeah exciting pro shoes and dunks and things like that will be a bit different but I'd like to see how it goes
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Post by: manysnakes on August 12, 2021, 05:10:26 AM
waiting for all the crazy shake ups that were supposed to happen in June like:



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I love that, after all these pages of digital ink spilled, a few guys are off the team and some of them moved into corporate roles at Nike SB.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: wilk on August 12, 2021, 04:43:21 PM
Another thread dude said they aren't selling costom janoskis anymore, not sure if it's just temporary or if they stopped it completely... I think I already posted that their flagship skate backpack isn't being tagged or marketed as an SB product anymore. Yeah they probably are slowly pulling out of skateboarding. They don't sponser events anymore like they used to, they don't have anything to do with the courthouse anymore. I don't think they are pulling completely out, but I think SB is gonna make up a lot less of their business model in the future... obviously way smaller team etc.. we'll probably see even less products than we are seeing now labeled as SB.
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Post by: Cheshire Cat on August 13, 2021, 06:21:51 AM
The mark has been made
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Captain Creampie on August 13, 2021, 08:21:50 AM
They axed the U.K. team manager last month and a few riders have recently gone to new shoe companies. Zion being a prime example, so I'm wondering how long it'll last for.

 Think Vaughn was managing the whole of Europe, guess they made him cut loads of the European team before sending him packing too. The team out there has no one looking out for them now from what i heard, weird move
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Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 13, 2021, 09:06:26 AM
fuckin better not, i been skating janoski for like 11 years, i can't do any other shoe, also i'd like to add that they are very durable and i only skate them cuz janoski is the man, brand pride is lame.
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Post by: Dooky-shoes on August 13, 2021, 10:08:42 AM
I wonder what brands would’ve survived if nike didn’t have such an impact on skating.

It is cool to see someone like janoski get rich though. Nike isn’t all bad.

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Post by: chrisskates808 on August 13, 2021, 10:40:29 AM
fuckin better not, i been skating janoski for like 11 years, i can't do any other shoe, also i'd like to add that they are very durable and i only skate them cuz janoski is the man, brand pride is lame.

Dude I wanted janoski for so long but I can’t believe they been out of stock for so long.
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Post by: Blueabyssofthisss on August 13, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
fuckin better not, i been skating janoski for like 11 years, i can't do any other shoe, also i'd like to add that they are very durable and i only skate them cuz janoski is the man, brand pride is lame.
11 years too long
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: augustmoon on August 13, 2021, 11:02:48 AM
I wonder what brands would’ve survived if nike didn’t have such an impact on skating.

It is cool to see someone like janoski get rich though. Nike isn’t all bad.

yes, to think we might still have Vox, 88, or Dekline if it werent for Nike. 
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: twic3 on August 13, 2021, 11:08:03 AM
I wonder what brands would’ve survived if nike didn’t have such an impact on skating.

Does no one remember how bad quality skate shoes were before Nike really took over (2008-2010). It was like the paper thin cardboard insole and cheap suede era.

Nike forced companies to make good insoles and use better materials. The only brands that stood up against them at the time were Vans, Emerica, and Es (Square one and Theory)
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: TastyBurrito on September 10, 2021, 06:18:20 AM
My local SB dealer has been auctioning QS releases. I thought that was a big no-no.

It is. Report em to Nike.

Shops shouldn't be doing that to their customers.
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Post by: Allen. on September 10, 2021, 06:45:22 AM
Fuck yeah, get dudes local shop shut down!
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Post by: Mean salto on September 10, 2021, 06:53:59 AM
They will just do what they do with soccer and only advertise certain people in specific areas. Nyjah in USA,Leticia Luan ryssa in Brazil, Shane O'Neil in Aus, yuto and Aori in Japan, then in more liberal areas Leo Baker etc

If you aren't a superstar you're back to flow or less.
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Post by: cky enthusiast on September 10, 2021, 06:57:14 AM
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It is. Report em to Nike.

Shops shouldn't be doing that to their customers.

hello is this nike PD? i’d like to report illegal auctioning. what do you mean im a nerd
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Post by: mattchew on September 10, 2021, 07:00:00 AM
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My local SB dealer has been auctioning QS releases. I thought that was a big no-no.
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It is. Report em to Nike.

Shops shouldn't be doing that to their customers.

lol straight snitchin, weak man.
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Post by: MFS on September 10, 2021, 07:47:26 AM
Fuck yeah, get dudes local shop shut down!
Plus ive been steady kooking him and his rep went from 9 to 99 in less than 24 hrs. Knowing Alans snitch ass he couldnt stand being a mod with neg rep so he fixed it. Seems sus Alan, care to explain?
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Post by: stets on September 10, 2021, 10:21:50 AM
Seems like they are at least retooling the whole program. Their deisgners even have been "diversified", working not just on SB anymore. Footwear designers and graphic designers, all of them are now only splitting their time into SB. Saw on their hype dunk color designer's instagram bio that he's ACG/SB designer now when it used to just say SB designer.
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Post by: TastyBurrito on September 10, 2021, 10:26:46 AM
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My local SB dealer has been auctioning QS releases. I thought that was a big no-no.
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It is. Report em to Nike.

Shops shouldn't be doing that to their customers.
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lol straight snitchin, weak man.

What's weak is making customers bid for shit. It's an unethical money grab. If they do that with the Nikes, what's stopping them from doing that with all the other things they stock? Limited edition Adidas? Limited Edition boards (e.g. SC Blind Bags, Grosso decks, etc.)? That only creates a system where only the rich get access to the goods rather than creating an equal opportunity for all their customers.

That kind of shit makes them as bad as resellers who make it impossible to get anything.
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Post by: shannamal on September 10, 2021, 11:12:51 AM
Seems like they are at least retooling the whole program. Their deisgners even have been "diversified", working not just on SB anymore. Footwear designers and graphic designers, all of them are now only splitting their time into SB. Saw on their hype dunk color designer's instagram bio that he's ACG/SB designer now when it used to just say SB designer.

i'd much rather design for ACG. that shit's tight
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Post by: Lou Strux on September 10, 2021, 02:33:50 PM
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Fuck yeah, get dudes local shop shut down!
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Plus ive been steady kooking him and his rep went from 9 to 99 in less than 24 hrs. Knowing Alans snitch ass he couldnt stand being a mod with neg rep so he fixed it. Seems sus Alan, care to explain?
Um… Alan, or Allen?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: doublesteveburger on September 10, 2021, 02:40:44 PM
to be fair if you’re buying tickets to a raffle for a pair of shoes you deserve to both win and lose
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Post by: stillcantreflip on September 10, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
to be fair if you’re buying tickets to a raffle for a pair of shoes you deserve to both win and lose

sounds like the shop owner was like f it, if they gona just get resold and huge margin anyway im gona get some $
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Post by: Fraserjamesjollyjamieson on September 10, 2021, 04:56:52 PM
I’m from Glasgow, Scotland went to the main Nike store in town the other day and what used to be an entire sb area is now just one small section of the wall that had like 5 shoes on it 2 pairs of trousers and 1 shirt so there’s an example of physical downsizing, also they had a giant poster of nyjah in the gym shoe section thought that was quite wierd
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Post by: HORSES on September 10, 2021, 05:24:39 PM
I’m from Glasgow, Scotland went to the main Nike store in town the other day and what used to be an entire sb area is now just one small section of the wall that had like 5 shoes on it 2 pairs of trousers and 1 shirt so there’s an example of physical downsizing, also they had a giant poster of nyjah in the gym shoe section thought that was quite wierd


Weird, as most flagship Nike stores don't carry SB to begin with....I think?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: Allen. on September 10, 2021, 06:32:13 PM
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Plus ive been steady kooking him and his rep went from 9 to 99 in less than 24 hrs. Knowing Alans snitch ass he couldnt stand being a mod with neg rep so he fixed it. Seems sus Alan, care to explain?
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Um… Alan, or Allen?

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Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ndsr on September 10, 2021, 10:20:02 PM
Yes but not all bad news.  They are relaunching Savier with BA as the TM, Tim O’Conner will be the creative director and Stefan will design an even better shoe.  Moving forward the core anti Nike folks will feel ok about buying Saviers much like hip youngsters feel good about buying cons currently
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: theknifesong on September 10, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
Yes but not all bad news.  They are relaunching Savier with BA as the TM, Tim O’Conner will be the creative director and Stefan will design an even better shoe.  Moving forward the core anti Nike folks will feel ok about buying Saviers much like hip youngsters feel good about buying cons currently

wut?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: spacial_profiling on September 11, 2021, 04:40:17 AM
Fuck yeah, get dudes local shop SB dealer shut down!
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ndsr on September 11, 2021, 09:08:42 AM
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Yes but not all bad news.  They are relaunching Savier with BA as the TM, Tim O’Conner will be the creative director and Stefan will design an even better shoe.  Moving forward the core anti Nike folks will feel ok about buying Saviers much like hip youngsters feel good about buying cons currently
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wut?
It’s a joke about how Nike financed savier and own cons.  BA, Stefan and O’Conner were all on savier.
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Post by: Fraserjamesjollyjamieson on September 11, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
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I’m from Glasgow, Scotland went to the main Nike store in town the other day and what used to be an entire sb area is now just one small section of the wall that had like 5 shoes on it 2 pairs of trousers and 1 shirt so there’s an example of physical downsizing, also they had a giant poster of nyjah in the gym shoe section thought that was quite wierd
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Weird, as most flagship Nike stores don't carry SB to begin with....I think?

Really? Pretty much every store in uk has an sb section
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Post by: sid vicious on September 11, 2021, 07:21:21 PM
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Yes but not all bad news.  They are relaunching Savier with BA as the TM, Tim O’Conner will be the creative director and Stefan will design an even better shoe.  Moving forward the core anti Nike folks will feel ok about buying Saviers much like hip youngsters feel good about buying cons currently
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wut?
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It’s a joke about how Nike financed savier and own cons.  BA, Stefan and O’Conner were all on savier.

do your homework
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: kilgoret on September 11, 2021, 07:38:27 PM
If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: JimGeko on September 12, 2021, 02:34:07 AM
If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.

That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?
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Post by: RichardBarkley on September 12, 2021, 02:57:09 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
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That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?

I think it

Genuinely

I wouldn't turn it off though. That's a bit far.

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Post by: JimGeko on September 12, 2021, 04:56:14 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
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That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?
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I think it

Genuinely

I wouldn't turn it off though. That's a bit far.

I mean I get thinking it, but really turning it off because of shoes.

I hate Nike’s bad moves in skateboarding in the past but not watching because of a noticeable logo on a shoe it’s a bit much.

Imaging not watching Osiris The Storm because the team were wearing Osiris shoes. Now those shoes were visually offensive.

What about Adidas? are they somehow not as offensive to you?

I find the 3 stripes to be a bit jarring because my mind associates Adidas with bike stealing chavs in the uk. It was definitely the brand of choose for those tracksuit wearing wannabe gangsters. But I would never turn off a gonz or suciu part because of what’s on their feet.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on September 12, 2021, 05:02:01 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
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That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?
[close]

I think it

Genuinely

I wouldn't turn it off though. That's a bit far.
[close]

I mean I get thinking it, but really turning it off because of shoes.

I hate Nike’s bad moves in skateboarding in the past but not watching because of a noticeable logo on a shoe it’s a bit much.

Imaging not watching Osiris The Storm because the team were wearing Osiris shoes. Now those shoes were visually offensive.

What about Adidas? are they somehow not as offensive to you?

I find the 3 stripes to be a bit jarring because my mind associates Adidas with bike stealing chavs in the uk. It was definitely the brand of choose for those tracksuit wearing wannabe gangsters. But I would never turn off a gonz or suciu part because of what’s on their feet.

Wuuuuut

That's funny. I'm Irish and the scumbag choice of wear is Nike. I would have thought the same was for the UK
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Post by: JimGeko on September 12, 2021, 07:52:47 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
[close]

That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?
[close]

I think it

Genuinely

I wouldn't turn it off though. That's a bit far.
[close]

I mean I get thinking it, but really turning it off because of shoes.

I hate Nike’s bad moves in skateboarding in the past but not watching because of a noticeable logo on a shoe it’s a bit much.

Imaging not watching Osiris The Storm because the team were wearing Osiris shoes. Now those shoes were visually offensive.

What about Adidas? are they somehow not as offensive to you?

I find the 3 stripes to be a bit jarring because my mind associates Adidas with bike stealing chavs in the uk. It was definitely the brand of choose for those tracksuit wearing wannabe gangsters. But I would never turn off a gonz or suciu part because of what’s on their feet.
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Wuuuuut

That's funny. I'm Irish and the scumbag choice of wear is Nike. I would have thought the same was for the UK

it might be Nike now. for a long time it was Adidas shoes with Adidas track. bottoms
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: kilgoret on September 12, 2021, 08:11:29 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
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That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?

between having to deal with them on the business side and them basically just saturating everything with 85% of clips that come out these days, yeah, i pretty much mean it. if it's a subtle small swoosh, ok, but that huge offensive looking one and  most of the dudes in the video are wearing them, i'm good. i actually don't like many dudes on the swoosh, so it's easy to avoid. i enjoy olson clips but generally, he goes with a small swoosh shoe a decent amount of the time.

but you're partially right, watched an independent clip recently and a couple dudes were wearing blazers and dunks, i didn't instantly turn it off.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: JimGeko on September 12, 2021, 08:21:26 AM
between having to deal with them on the business side and them basically just saturating everything with 85% of clips that come out these days, yeah, i pretty much mean it

I can see your point now. If swoosh have left you with a bad taste in your mouth the I get it. And seeing them everywhere would be like rubbing it in.
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Post by: Mariatorresflores on September 12, 2021, 10:25:11 AM
This last convo got a chuckle out of me; I still haven't finished Nike's last video because there really is just too much swoosh on screen to stomach for me. Sucks because I love the way Mason, Ishod and Carlos skate.

Tangentially related, I genuinely miss watching Tiago skate in DC's, that just made so much sense aesthetically.
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Post by: christ0v on September 12, 2021, 11:29:55 AM
What are some recent Nike videos you’d recommend?
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ndsr on September 12, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
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Yes but not all bad news.  They are relaunching Savier with BA as the TM, Tim O’Conner will be the creative director and Stefan will design an even better shoe.  Moving forward the core anti Nike folks will feel ok about buying Saviers much like hip youngsters feel good about buying cons currently
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wut?
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It’s a joke about how Nike financed savier and own cons.  BA, Stefan and O’Conner were all on savier.
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do your homework
Do you think Nike didn’t finance savier and allow them access to all of their technology?  Currently Nike owns cons perhaps your homework is due. 
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: chrisskates808 on September 18, 2021, 09:33:25 AM
No Janoski slip on anymore :/

Wtf is going on
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Post by: SubCurban Commando on September 18, 2021, 10:53:17 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
[close]

That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?
[close]

I think it

Genuinely

I wouldn't turn it off though. That's a bit far.
[close]

I mean I get thinking it, but really turning it off because of shoes.

I hate Nike’s bad moves in skateboarding in the past but not watching because of a noticeable logo on a shoe it’s a bit much.

Imaging not watching Osiris The Storm because the team were wearing Osiris shoes. Now those shoes were visually offensive.

What about Adidas? are they somehow not as offensive to you?

I find the 3 stripes to be a bit jarring because my mind associates Adidas with bike stealing chavs in the uk. It was definitely the brand of choose for those tracksuit wearing wannabe gangsters. But I would never turn off a gonz or suciu part because of what’s on their feet.
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Wuuuuut

That's funny. I'm Irish and the scumbag choice of wear is Nike. I would have thought the same was for the UK
[close]

it might be Nike now. for a long time it was Adidas shoes with Adidas track. bottoms


Reebok classics are what all the smack heads/shoplifters wear in Wales, has ben for years and years
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Post by: Mean salto on September 18, 2021, 10:58:36 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
[close]

That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?
[close]

I think it

Genuinely

I wouldn't turn it off though. That's a bit far.
[close]

I mean I get thinking it, but really turning it off because of shoes.

I hate Nike’s bad moves in skateboarding in the past but not watching because of a noticeable logo on a shoe it’s a bit much.

Imaging not watching Osiris The Storm because the team were wearing Osiris shoes. Now those shoes were visually offensive.

What about Adidas? are they somehow not as offensive to you?

I find the 3 stripes to be a bit jarring because my mind associates Adidas with bike stealing chavs in the uk. It was definitely the brand of choose for those tracksuit wearing wannabe gangsters. But I would never turn off a gonz or suciu part because of what’s on their feet.
[close]

Wuuuuut

That's funny. I'm Irish and the scumbag choice of wear is Nike. I would have thought the same was for the UK
[close]

it might be Nike now. for a long time it was Adidas shoes with Adidas track. bottoms
[close]


Reebok classics are what all the smack heads/shoplifters wear in Wales, has ben for years and years

In Aus it's the worst pattern Canterbury or Nautica polo you can find with tiny shorts but definately Nike tuned airs,tiny Nike hat and Nike bum bag
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Post by: MFS on September 18, 2021, 11:54:31 AM
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If a clip comes out, and I see too much swoosh on the dudes feet, I literally turn that shit off instantly, good skating/music or not. Can't stand that shit. Fucking gross eyesore.
[close]

That is the kind of comment that I think you will look back and feel a bit foolish that you wrote it.

Do you really think that honestly?
[close]

I think it

Genuinely

I wouldn't turn it off though. That's a bit far.
[close]

I mean I get thinking it, but really turning it off because of shoes.

I hate Nike’s bad moves in skateboarding in the past but not watching because of a noticeable logo on a shoe it’s a bit much.

Imaging not watching Osiris The Storm because the team were wearing Osiris shoes. Now those shoes were visually offensive.

What about Adidas? are they somehow not as offensive to you?

I find the 3 stripes to be a bit jarring because my mind associates Adidas with bike stealing chavs in the uk. It was definitely the brand of choose for those tracksuit wearing wannabe gangsters. But I would never turn off a gonz or suciu part because of what’s on their feet.
[close]

Wuuuuut

That's funny. I'm Irish and the scumbag choice of wear is Nike. I would have thought the same was for the UK
[close]

it might be Nike now. for a long time it was Adidas shoes with Adidas track. bottoms
[close]


Reebok classics are what all the smack heads/shoplifters wear in Wales, has ben for years and years
[close]

In Aus it's the worst pattern Canterbury or Nautica polo you can find with tiny shorts but definately Nike tuned airs,tiny Nike hat and Nike bum bag

Air Max TN is the number one selling Nike shoe in Australia. Its the official dboy shoe of the country.
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ndsr on September 18, 2021, 02:15:55 PM
Yes, with the rise of scooters skateboarding is no longer financially viable.  The are currently scouting the best underground German scooter legends.  The scooter division will be called Nike SS.  It stands for Nike street scooting.  Please don’t make this a Nazi reference and disrespect the street scooting scene
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Post by: Doom patrol on September 18, 2021, 03:09:04 PM
We've had skate nazi's and surf nazi's, scooter nazi's can't be that far down the timeline.
Do any scooter guys get hooked up with shoes? I know vans has had BMX guys on forever, wonder if scooter pros get hooked up officially or on the DL.
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Post by: cky enthusiast on September 18, 2021, 03:24:02 PM
We've had skate nazi's and surf nazi's, scooter nazi's can't be that far down the timeline.
Do any scooter guys get hooked up with shoes? I know vans has had BMX guys on forever, wonder if scooter pros get hooked up officially or on the DL.

“low key, all of us over at last resort AB love your triple tail whip fly outs, TylerScootsLive”
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Post by: ndsr on September 18, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
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We've had skate nazi's and surf nazi's, scooter nazi's can't be that far down the timeline.
Do any scooter guys get hooked up with shoes? I know vans has had BMX guys on forever, wonder if scooter pros get hooked up officially or on the DL.
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“low key, all of us over at last resort AB love your triple tail whip fly outs, TylerScootsLive”
Respect, I appreciate the props.  If things don’t work out with Nike SS I will DM you to see if I could represent last resort AB in any way, keep scooting raw in them streets!
Title: Re: is nike cutting skate program soon?
Post by: ndsr on September 18, 2021, 04:30:02 PM
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We've had skate nazi's and surf nazi's, scooter nazi's can't be that far down the timeline.
Do any scooter guys get hooked up with shoes? I know vans has had BMX guys on forever, wonder if scooter pros get hooked up officially or on the DL.
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“low key, all of us over at last resort AB love your triple tail whip fly outs, TylerScootsLive”
Respect, the appreciation means a lot.  If things don’t work out with my pending Nike SS deal I would love to represent last resort AB in any way possible.  Keep scooting raw in them streets!