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Title: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 03, 2021, 08:14:43 PM
Their name has been popping up in a few other threads lately and they're not exactly hardcore, skate punk, metal/ thrash or even regular punk, so let's concentrate our discussions about them into this thread. I don't even really know where to start, but I think maybe when and where we all got into them might be a good reference point (I'll post mine later)?
Feel free to rank their albums too, I think @cucktard and myself had a massive discussion about this on a insta a while back.

I'm also about to post like 29 of my favorite tracks of theirs and spam the shit out of this thread, but I think my fav YouTube related propagandhi content at the moment is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRrYCBWb0Y
"They're the best band in the world!"
There you go, Bill Stevenson just made that call!

Also, if you are a long-term fan this is a great way to nerd out and learn more about all your fav tracks:
https://www.instagram.com/propagandhipod/?hl=en
(I'm sure the majority of you know about this podcast anyway)

I straight up have no qualms about claiming them as my favorite band ever!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Sifter on May 03, 2021, 11:02:43 PM
Less Talk, More Rock is their only good album
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 04, 2021, 12:16:46 AM
First heard of them around 93, other snowboarders I was hanging around talked about them while NOFX and Pennywise was the soundtrack to winter.

One guys said ‘they have good tunes, but are too political’. I first found a used copy of their split with I-Spy in Borderline (Lethbridge AB skate shop that had some tunes) and immediately fell in love.

It was the intelligence of Bad Religion with the self-depreciating wit of NOFX, with a hard political slant that introduced me to a new way of interpreting things like the Oka standoff in Quebec, or detailed reasoning to my vague distrust of nationalism. It was fast, funny, and intellectually challenging.

That lasted until Potemkin, when they started exchanging humor for more serious an crafted lyrics, and got a bit darker with a move towards the speed metal of their youth.

Each new album is a masterpiece, they are still refining their songwriting and sharpening the vision they want for their sound. But it has moved well beyond what brought me to them.

Lately I’ve been listening to Chris Hannah’s Patreon podcast where he will focus on a single song in their history, and give a very detailed background of the influences, engineering, equipment, and conditions that inspired it. The stories he has of how the lyrics and message are the most fascinating part for me.

Plus, his sense of humor shines through when he tells it. 
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: LordManHammer on May 04, 2021, 12:19:59 AM
Less Talk, More Rock is their only good album
I back this, I think their cover of Cheap Trick was absolute trash of how to clean everything.

They've had a weird following early 2000's albeit militant queer friendly but have caused fighting at show's. Maybe sussing out Nazi's? Street beefs? Jealous lover's? Who really knows the story idk.....

I would love to see them but I'm not in to show's with meathead tough guy's.

Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 04, 2021, 01:10:49 AM
Last time I say them was a Tuesday night in Calgary and it was almost all 30+ elders with a tastefully restrained mosh pit. It was pretty mild. Maybe it’s your locality?

Fucking killer set though. The band shredded.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: urbneathme on May 04, 2021, 08:38:05 AM
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Less Talk, More Rock is their only good album
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I back this, I think their cover of Cheap Trick was absolute trash of how to clean everything.

They've had a weird following early 2000's albeit militant queer friendly but have caused fighting at show's. Maybe sussing out Nazi's? Street beefs? Jealous lover's? Who really knows the story idk.....

I would love to see them but I'm not in to show's with meathead tough guy's.
where on earth did you see them? i saw them on a weeknight, stood fairly close to the stage and i don’t think i was even prompted to involuntarily move my feet while they played.

i lean supporting caste as my favorite album and in the talk of potempkin i posit that “rock for sustainable capitalism” is one of the all-time great diss tracks.

“this year’s vans warped tour is going green, i guess they heard that money grows on trees. i hope they shit those shitty bands overseas like the did the factories” juvenile, mean and an adult criticism of their business practices. perfection.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: LordManHammer on May 04, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
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Less Talk, More Rock is their only good album
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I back this, I think their cover of Cheap Trick was absolute trash of how to clean everything.

They've had a weird following early 2000's albeit militant queer friendly but have caused fighting at show's. Maybe sussing out Nazi's? Street beefs? Jealous lover's? Who really knows the story idk.....

I would love to see them but I'm not in to show's with meathead tough guy's.
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where on earth did you see them? i saw them on a weeknight, stood fairly close to the stage and i don’t think i was even prompted to involuntarily move my feet while they played.

i lean supporting caste as my favorite album and in the talk of potempkin i posit that “rock for sustainable capitalism” is one of the all-time great diss tracks.

“this year’s vans warped tour is going green, i guess they heard that money grows on trees. i hope they shit those shitty bands overseas like the did the factories” juvenile, mean and an adult criticism of their business practices. perfection.
I saw them in Calgary years ago at a punk house show, it was fun but I think they've got a crew following them around 

It was definitely off putting.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: keepthefunkalive on May 04, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
I think I'd be fine never listening to them ever again, but I still like them if that makes sense. Allies in fighting the good fight, and... nostalgia
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 04, 2021, 09:14:44 PM
Less Talk, More Rock is their only good album
interesting opinion to have, at least you didn't say it was HTCE
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 04, 2021, 09:16:56 PM

It was the intelligence of Bad Religion with the self-depreciating wit of NOFX, with a hard political slant that introduced me to a new way of interpreting things like the Oka standoff in Quebec, or detailed reasoning to my vague distrust of nationalism. It was fast, funny, and intellectually challenging.

That lasted until Potemkin, when they started exchanging humor for more serious an crafted lyrics, and got a bit darker with a move towards the speed metal of their youth.
Oka is still one of their best tracks imho. Even Todd from FYP/ Recess Records said that on a bonus podcast episode. Potemkin did get darker, but Todd's songs are a thing of beauty!
Did you not like Victory lap, seems they went a bit more back to their pop punk roots for that one?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 04, 2021, 09:19:23 PM
They've had a weird following early 2000's albeit militant queer friendly but have caused fighting at show's. Maybe sussing out Nazi's? Street beefs? Jealous lover's? Who really knows the story idk.....
it was even worse in the 90s, so ironic that so many haters paid good money to see them!
"with your hands down my pants by transitive property" huh?
Even last time they toured Aus, some trolls went out of their way to make a fake vegan ice cream truck to try and "trap" them, who goes to that much effort?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 04, 2021, 09:23:43 PM
i lean supporting caste as my favorite album and in the talk of potempkin i posit that “rock for sustainable capitalism” is one of the all-time great diss tracks.

“this year’s vans warped tour is going green, i guess they heard that money grows on trees. i hope they shit those shitty bands overseas like the did the factories” juvenile, mean and an adult criticism of their business practices. perfection.
supporting caste is BEAST! night letters, the title track and without love (along with coaches corner and humane meat) are all top tier ghandi songs!

funny you mention "rock for sustainable", the whole "I rock back and forth, on this two bit hobby horse..." section always makes me think about skating and the industry actually. "if anyone out there understands, can I please see a show of hands?" so good!
Either way that track is SCATHING and perhaps the last time they ever wrote any songs about the “scene” ... I guess perhaps because they finally evolved beyond it?
Dear coaches corner could also be a song about skateboarding I reckon!
“We both love this pastime we can hardly fucking stand it!”
Who would we write to, Sinner? Nyjah?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 04, 2021, 09:34:05 PM
I was once reading a skate, surf, snowboard zine in Sydney called 'Blunt' that also had music reviews and it included HTCE.
I don't remember the whole thing, but the gist of it was, "sounds like a mix between ALL and NOFX, thanks to Fat Mike for putting these angry fuckers on your label".

A few weeks later I was out skating and ended up finding a $20 note on the ground, I walked into a totally random CD shop and miraculously they had a copy and after remembering the review I figured I’d take a gamble on it (it was exactly $20 too because fat was really pushing the whole affordable music thing)... I still remember the first time I heard it:

I put it on my parents stereo and somewhere during the first 3 tracks I was like (bear in mind I know nothing about music), "these punks really love Metallica huh, but wait, do they hate skaters?"

Haille comes on and I'm like, "should I even be listening to this?" but I'm already so hooked! The next day, I take it to school and me and my friends are instantly obsessed!! and the rest is history... the ISPY split is what really changed my whole way of thinking though, I’ll save that story for another time.

Haven't seen them live since 97 in Sydney, but I did follow them around to Canberra and other locations just so I could see them multiple times. Unfortunately, John had already left the band so I've never seen him play live (also missed the weakerthans when they came to Aus) :(

I have so many songs of theirs I love, but Supporting Caste is my current one — I went through a phase last month where I only listened to that song and that song only for like an entire week!
This live version with the alternative intro... oh man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH16PE-_Dlw
and the slow bit in the middle before that massive riff!!!
Fuck!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 04, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
I think I'd be fine never listening to them ever again, but I still like them if that makes sense. Allies in fighting the good fight, and... nostalgia
interesting take, did you give their new stuff a listen or was there a point where you were just like, nah I'm good?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: igrindtwinkies on May 05, 2021, 12:17:43 AM
In 2006 I was in 8th grade living in rural South Dakota.  A different skate forum was where I learned about music that wasn't shitty radio buttrock.  Someone on there made a thread about Potemkin coming out.  I had never heard of them, but was really into NOFX and the like at the time.  I ended up buying the cd on a whim the next time I happened to be at Best Buy and fell in love instantly.

The politics were intriguing to my young brain.  I also lived with family that are quasi famous for slaughtering animals and constantly had animal carcasses laying around in the winter time.  My dad was always bummed that I didn't enjoy his passion for trapping, whatever, I still love skateboarding. I've never been vegan or anything like that, but I think the vegan lyrics were kind of a fuck you to my family that I enjoyed.  I was already fairly liberal, but the politics of the music would make you an outsider living in the middle of nowhere.  For reference, 80 percent of my hometown voted for Trump.

I eventually ordered HTCE and LTMR off half.com and listened to it regularly.  Any CD I had at the time got spun obsessively.  I spent a good bit of time reading the liner notes to LTMR, which was pretty radical shit for the time, and especially for living in the middle of nowhere.  I eventually lost touch with the band though and didn't listen to them forever.

About a year and a half ago, I was pre-gaming with a rando before a descendents show and he was telling me about seeing them play where I live now(Sioux Falls, SD) in the early 2000's.  He said Chris talks about playing South Dakota and the plains region a bit in the Turned out a punk podcast episode he's on.  Also, being geographically ignorant, I had no idea Winnipeg is only 7 hours north of where I live(not that far in the plains).

As an adult, I think TETA is their best album, which is a bummer cause I never got to own that one as a kid.  I would love to get to see them at some point before they call it quits.  I've been listening to them quite a bit since, I think there is alot of intricacies to their music that I didn't notice as a kid listening on shitty headphones.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 05, 2021, 03:58:34 AM
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It was the intelligence of Bad Religion with the self-depreciating wit of NOFX, with a hard political slant that introduced me to a new way of interpreting things like the Oka standoff in Quebec, or detailed reasoning to my vague distrust of nationalism. It was fast, funny, and intellectually challenging.

That lasted until Potemkin, when they started exchanging humor for more serious an crafted lyrics, and got a bit darker with a move towards the speed metal of their youth.
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Oka is still one of their best tracks imho. Even Todd from FYP/ Recess Records said that on a bonus podcast episode. Potemkin did get darker, but Todd's songs are a thing of beauty!
Did you not like Victory lap, seems they went a bit more back to their pop punk roots for that one?

I like it all, but I haven’t had where I loved every song since Potemkin.

I grew up in a small Canadian town. The guys in Propagandhi grew up playing hockey and listening to metal, and hating snowboarders (as a kind of ‘punk jock’.

In my world, the metal heads were idiots, I couldn’t stand that shit. I tried to get as far away from it as a could, musically and aesthetically, and I got into hip-hop. Lines were drawn. Plus, I hated the jock fighting culture of hockey, and my hometown was a BIG hockey town.

So I’ve always been predisposed to dislike the type of music Propagandhi has been moving towards.

Having said that, I still respect the band for how much they taught me that I have bought everything they’ve put out. And I always find bits and songs I like musically on every record. Just not everything.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 05, 2021, 06:06:22 PM
@cucktard
Fair enough, thrash metal was the only metal I’ve ever liked so maybe that’s why they resonate with me so well. As I said, even when I heard HTCE I was like, oh these guys love Metallica!
Been listening to victory lap this morning and agree with @igrindtwinkies that there’s so many intricacies in their music that you don’t always pick up on a surface level. Get the remastered version of failed states and chuck it on a good stereo with some quality headphones, shit it EPIC!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 07, 2021, 01:21:13 AM
I’ll see if I still have a digital version of an interview I did with them for my zine

Ok, here’s part of it

(https://antibling.exblog.jp/iv/detail/?s=12085509&i=200910%2F08%2F74%2Ff0182974_13233042.jpg)

Me: So, you guys came back (to Japan) finally, after ten years. Why did you decide to finally make it back?
僕:10年後やっと(日本に)戻ってきましたね。今回はどうして来日することにきめたんですか?

Rod (Bass): Comeback kid was coming here and, and their manager asked us if we wanted to come and we thought… sounds good
ロッド:カムバック・キッドがここに来るという事で、彼らのマネージャーが僕たちに一緒に来ないかって聞いてきて、ああいいんじゃない、みたいな。

Me: Cause I had heard that NOFX had asked you on their last tour to come over with you guys, but…
僕:先の日本ツアーに、一緒に来ないかってNOFXから誘われたって聞きましたが。

Rod: Well, it seems like more fun than NOFX
ロッド:うん、(カムバック・キッドとツアーする方が)NOFXより面白そうだったから。

Me: How many times in Japan then is this for you?
僕:今回、日本は何回目ですか?

Jord (Drums): Our third time
ジョード:三回目。

Me: Next one, number 3. Just to get it out of the way, what interview question do you get asked the most? Or do you dread the most?
僕:次ぎは三つ目の質問。どうせだから、インタビューで一番よく聞かれる質問は何ですか?それと聞かれて一番嫌な質問は?

Jord: “Are you still on Fat?”
ジョード:「まだファット(レコード)にいるの?」

Todd: Or “How’s the tour goin’?” “Why are you so handsome?”
トッド:「ツアーはどんな感じ?」、「なんであなたはそんなにイケメンなんですか?」

Me: So today I think Earth Day is happening, like in Tokyo. And you guys, are obviously concerned about a lot of environmental things. I saw Chris last night has his…
僕:そういえば今日アースデーですけど、特に東京とかでは。(アースデーにまつわるイベンドやってるらしいけど?)皆さん、環境保全についてもちろん関心持ってますよね。
昨日クリスが・・・

Todd: Sea Shepherd Society…
トッド:シーシェパード・ソサエティー

Me: Sea Shepherd Society shirt, and he also had a little placard on his guitar there, do you know what that was about?
僕:そう シーシェパード・ソサエティーのT−シャツを着ていて、で、彼のギターにも小さなチラシ立ててあって。
あのチラシには何て?

Todd: Japanese hunting dolphins maybe?
トッド:日本のイルカ漁労についてかな?

Me: And you guys are all strict vegans. When was the last time a dead animal entered your pie-hole?
僕:で、皆さんベーガン(絶対菜食主義者)ですが、最後に死んだ動物を口にしたのはいつですか?

Jord: My pie-hole…

Todd: Uh, I ordered a vegetable samosa about 3 or 4 years ago, it had a fuckin’ flake of …
トッド:うーん、3−4年前ベジタブル・サモサをオーダーしたら、小さな・・・

Me: Meat in it?
僕;肉のかけらが入ってた?

Todd: Yeah. Hideous.
トッド:そう。気持ちワル。

Me: When did you first become though, vegan?
僕:ベーガンになってどの位になりますか?

Todd: Oh, um…like 1992 or something? 93?
トッド:うーん・・・多分’92年頃から? ’93年?

Jord: I think I started experimenting with vegetarian stuff when I was 19, would have been ’89. And then over the next few years I slowly progressed to become more strict with it.
ジョード:19歳の時ベジタリアニズムを試し始めて、だから’90年からだと思う。で、それから数年徐々にベーガンに近づいて行って。

Me: OK. And Beav, are you in on that too?
僕:ok, ビーヴもベーガンですか?

Beav (Guitar): Yeah.
ビーヴ:そう。

Me: How long?
僕:いつから?

Beav: I went vegetarian when I was 18, so around ’97, and vegan, not until I was 25, so that would be have been, 2004.
ビーヴ:18歳のときにベジタリアンになったから、’97年頃から。ベーガンになったのは25歳になってからだから、たぶん’04年からかな。

Me: OK. And this is for the Japanese kids that might have heard of anything about animal rights or vegetarianism, but what were some of your reasons for giving up meat?
僕:OK この質問は、ベジタリアニズムや動物保護について聞きかじった事がある日本の若い子たちの為に聞くんですけど、肉と食べないと決めた理由は何ですか?

Jord: I think for me uh, I read uh, ‘Diet for a Small Planet’, this book by Frances Moore Lappe which was really influential to me at the time. I think mainly out of moral concerns about not having anything against animals, was my first motivation. I had cats and dogs growing up an stuff like that, I wouldn’t eat them, so why would I want to eat a cow or… you know, anything else?
ジョード:僕は、うーん・・・フランシス・ムーア・ラップの”小さな惑星の緑の食卓”っていう本読んだ時、結構感化されて。やっぱり、一番は、倫理上動物保護に反する事はしたくないっていうのが最初の理由かな。子供の頃犬や猫を飼ってて、で、ペットは食べないなら何で牛やその他の家畜なら食べるのかって。

... for a bit of background, I started off with this because although Japanese people are just starting to hear about veganism and the effects of animal ag on the environment now (Japan is about 20-30 years late with global social trends), this interview was maybe 15 years ago, when the word was virtually unknown here. So I wanted to introduce the idea that punk bands have political messages (which in Japan, for the most part they don’t).
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 10, 2021, 08:58:31 PM
Good interview mate, I think you sent me some pics of it a while back, yeah very few Japanese punk bands have political messages and when I lived here in 2000 and said I was vegetarian, people looked at me like I had two heads (and belonged to some religious cult).

My friend worked at a university newspaper when they toured Australia and he got to interview them. He knew how much I loved them and so he let me tag along for the interview. GISM do you have any other questions for the band?
Stupidly, I asked them what other Fat bands they liked? Like why? I doubt they even listened to a single fat band at the time...

***
Will try and rank their albums over the next few days...
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 22, 2021, 06:35:12 AM
TLDR/ fuck your essay version:

1.   Flag Burning/ ISPY 10" Split
2.   How to Clean Everything
3.   LTMR
3.   Supporting Caste
4.   LTMR
5.   Failed States
6.   Victory Lap
7.   Potemkin
8.   TETA
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 22, 2021, 06:39:15 AM
ok so...

1.Flag burning/ ISPY 10"
I heard HTCE first, but this as a package just changed my whole fucking life. The raw production, the packaging, the linear notes, the ISPY tracks, the anger, this might be my fav album of all time, perfect in every sense. Put out by Todd of Recess records fame (also former pro skater/ ramp killer). The CD has a hidden track featuring an imaginary band called "last man on earth" consisting of Chris and Todd. The gangs all here for this one and if it had a John track on there then I would probably internally combust and ascend to the heavens.

2.HTCE
‘anti manifesto’ still takes me back to the first time I heard them and I think it's still a very relevant song for them. People these days love to hate on the vocals and sure there are a few tracks that could have been replaced towards the end, but this album put them on the fucking map. I could already hear their thrash influences despite people describing it as "typical fat sound". First 1/2 is so so solid! Leg hold trap should have made the cut, but Fat Mike thought John sounded like Kermit the frog! LOL He then admitted that the riffs were so hard on this album, that the whole (pop) punk scene was trying to play catch up for years after hearing this and that it also influenced punk in drublic musically!!!

34. LTMR
I guess I'm old fashioned when it comes to this band ... and I love John (and the weakerthans). If the 10" changed my whole outlook, this one solidified it! In and out, so fast and so polished. Fat Mike didn't want it to sound anything like the 10" which is a pity, because it is probably them at their most angry and also most direct in their message! Would love to hear a rawer version. They lost a lot of fans here and my mates thought that that was great; sort out the wheat and all that jazz! Interestingly the recent Brooklyn vegan retrospective mentioned that every track contains the lyrics "you" and "I". Chris and rest of them were defs pushing buttons and boundaries with this one! Can we talk about those John tracks too?

3.Supporting Caste
This is objectively one of their best albums, I just had 20+ years of nostalgia biases clouding my judgment. If I was new to the band, I would swear by this one!
Fault it, I dare you to!
Just the first two tracks alone, fucking hell! Chris has never let anyone else do vocals on one of their opening tracks but Todd fucking NAILS ‘night letters’. I’m not quiet about my love for ISPY and I felt a lot of Todd’s earlier tracks fell short when compared to that band’s output, but ‘night letters’ is THE track where I was like, “oh yeah, he’s still got it!” in a Mariano-esque type comeback. The title track ‘supporting caste’ too, man, is there a better ‘gandhi track? I’m partial to ‘Oka Everywhere’, but if I push my biases aside, this track is god-tier for them. The part after he whispers, “yes!”, the slow bridge part in the middle, that riff after, “you may as well DANCE!” Goosebumps every time!! And we’re only at track two!!! ‘Coaches corner’, ‘human(e) meat’, ‘the bangers embrace’
(someone could easily write a similar track about them, wait a band actually did write a sing about them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFDfmw1N4w),
‘without love’ (cue Bill Stevenson) and then ‘last will and testament’. The addition of the Beave (I love Giant Sons too) and the blasting room production just elevate this album tenfold! This really is them in their element and I lap up every single part with a shit-eating grin!!! I should probably bump this to number three on my list in all honesty!

5. Failed States
Wait, what’s this first track? the 'Gandhi always have epic openers, why are they playing so slow? Was my initial reaction, but then that riff kicks in a Chris chucks out one of his trademark grunts and you know shit is about to drop! I actually rated failed states higher than supporting caste but in hindsight supporting caste may have aged better?
Honestly, I can’t tell so I might have to tie them! Anyway, dat cover art!!! Done by Todd too!!! There’s a few tracks on there that are a tad “meh” for me (in terms of them as a band, even their meh tracks smoke most bands), but the opener, ‘Rattan Cane’ (Top 5 Todd song easily), ‘Status Update’ (riff much?), and ‘Duplicate Keys’: fuck THAT is how you do a closing track! For such a dark album, you wouldn’t expect it to end with the line, “the unifying principle of … this universe is love” (RIFF) but it ties in with themes they touched on in supporting caste and really shows just how much they’ve grown/ evolved as humans. They as a band will always leave the album on a high note (cept HTCE) and this track is perhaps my favorite closer of theirs which is a big call! (Zoochosis though!)

6. Victory Lap
Gets a lot of hate from fans, but I personally think it’s leagues above some of their other work and contains at least one god-tier (if not more) song! They lost the Beave and it also seems that they wanted to go back to their more pop-punk tinged hay days for this one (still thrashy, but it almost sounds “light” if you put it up against failed states) Again, they absolutely slay with the opening track “god are you there? It’s me in the demin Jacket” is such classic Chris humor. ‘Comply/ resist’ fucking SHREDS! ‘Lower Order’ (they didn’t include an animal rights track on failed states), on paper looks like it will be so hard, but it gives me painted thin/ weakerthans vibes hard. Do any of you out there like Painted Thin? I fucking love them and it seems like the music here is almost a homage to those 90s Winnipeg days/ sounds. The standouts track for me though are ‘Nigredo’ and ‘Adventures in Zoochosis’ though; man both of them are honestly just so beautiful and have made me cry multiple times.

7. Potemkin
They lost a lot of fans with this one (if they didn’t already with LTMR); it wasn’t TETA v2.0 and Chris’ vocals were as strained as could be, so much so that fans actually believed that they had gotten a new singer (Glen) who was trying his best to impersonate Chris LOL. When I first dropped the needle, I was like “meh” for most of the tracks but this one is a creeper and while cliché, this album needs to be played LOUD! ‘Speculative Fiction’ proves that theory, it’s actually really good through a massive sound system. The other two standout tracks on here are ‘Americas Army’ (My name is Mindy!) and Rock for Sustainable Capitalism, the latter being probably the most scathing attack anyone has written about the punk scene (and least since Back to the Motor league), man Chris really knows how to write ‘em, every lyric in that one is gold! It's cool that after that track he never talks about the punk scene again, he was just like, "I have now completely owned you, and I will move on...", marks a big shift for them because a lot of their earlier career was spent critiquing the punk scene!

 I like ‘iteration’ too, but not sure if lives up to the rest of their closers. This album grows on you though and even in 2021, it still smokes a lot of bands and the lyrical content is still relevant. The Todd tracks are where he started to find his somewhat “mellow” groove and I think they figured out that they actually needed a bit of ying to their yang after TETA. John always balanced that aspect of the band out, but TETA was just heavy from start to finish and I think that’s maybe why I ranked it last (amongst other reasons)

8. Todays Empires, Tomorrow’s Ashes
Probably the only fan to rank it last. Not gunna lie, I missed John, I missed ISPY, the production is shit, there’s tonnes of filler tracks and it misses the mark for me in numerous sections.
Having said that, Mate Ka Moris Ukun Rasik An is god tier (and I suspect it was written when John was still around), fuck the border I had seen live prior to it being released and back to the motor league shat all over scene politics. I’ll write more later I think… something about it just doesn’t click for me, I think the best way I can describe it is being too one dimensional?.
It wasn’t even until fairly recently that I fully appreciated Purina Hall of Fame and it always puzzled me as to why so many would swear by that track. I think, as I mentioned above, it lacks balance; I often make this comparison, but John was like Chris’s Flavor Flav and without him it would be like if Chuck D teamed up with KRS-One; that sounds great on paper but in reality, it just wouldn’t be the public enemy we know and love.
I understand the need for the break, without it we would never have the weakerthans or John’s solo work, but he brought something so unique, so fragile and so personal the band. I would even say that after this album dropped they realized this lack of balance hence the slower/ more experimental Todd tracks and Chris' more personal and somewhat spiritual lyrics.
Of course this is the balls to wall approach they wanted with this one, but it lacks in my mind. They’ve found their feet again and nailed their current sound, but this is a transition album where I don’t think they are either here nor there … and because of that it will always see the least amount of time on my record player. Fight me! I will say the packing is one of the best since crass stopped dropping records though!

Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 24, 2021, 06:57:57 AM
I’m going to have to listen to them all again (in order) before I submit a report.

I have about 70% on vinyl, most of everything else in digital, but my copy of ‘I’d rather be flag burning’ is in Canada.

@Gay Imp Sausage Metal do you have a copy you could burn for me? And maybe the I-Spy album too if you have it here in Japan?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 26, 2021, 02:10:25 AM
I’m going to have to listen to them all again (in order) before I submit a report.

I have about 70% on vinyl, most of everything else in digital, but my copy of ‘I’d rather be flag burning’ is in Canada.

@Gay Imp Sausage Metal do you have a copy you could burn for me? And maybe the I-Spy album too if you have it here in Japan?
sounds like a plan mate, hit me up on insta (like a real man)
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: chris. on May 28, 2021, 04:33:29 AM
HTCE and Less Talk had their time in my CD player as a teenager and then I largely forgot about these guys. I think what they are doing now is absolutely incredible though.  Supporting Caste and Failed States are remarkable. I like Victory Lap fine, but man those two records are special.

“It takes a village to raise a child, but just a flag to raze the children.” is a fucking perfect punk lyric.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 28, 2021, 05:35:27 PM
↑ yes, supporting caste and failed states are masterpieces, have you heard the failed states remix? I really like the bonus tracks too, ‘the days you hate yourself’ is a really good Todd track!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 10, 2021, 07:07:44 AM
This was a really good episode for a really food song:
https://www.instagram.com/p/COyFQJ5jtwr/?utm_medium=copy_link

Just started digging into the Oka Everywhere ep., looks to be epic! It’s been my fav song of theirs for 20 some years now!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 27, 2021, 08:37:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPW2gTg7k0

currently my fav Todd song, has been for a good minute.
possibly the heaviest 'Gandhi track that exists?
Dat intro...
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: The real veganshawn on June 28, 2021, 04:33:06 AM
One of the best bands ever.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 28, 2021, 05:38:32 AM
One of the best bands ever.
no arguments from me on this point!
What’s your fav album of theirs?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Doodily on June 28, 2021, 06:13:11 AM

‘anti manifesto’ still takes me back to the first time I heard them and I think it's still a very relevant song for them.

Same here. People keep talking about "less talk", but for me, "how to clean everything" is a classic. I will always remember seeing that album and NOFX's White Trash album advertised in a local surf NC zine and thinking "who the heck are these bands?" As soon as I got some cash, I went out and bought those albums and BAM ... punk rock fan for life.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 28, 2021, 06:51:41 AM
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‘anti manifesto’ still takes me back to the first time I heard them and I think it's still a very relevant song for them.
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Same here. People keep talking about "less talk", but for me, "how to clean everything" is a classic. I will always remember seeing that album and NOFX's White Trash album advertised in a local surf NC zine and thinking "who the heck are these bands?" As soon as I got some cash, I went out and bought those albums and BAM ... punk rock fan for life.
I never ever skip anti manifesto when it comes on, it’s like a time machine to my youth!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 17, 2021, 05:16:25 PM
I’m jealous of all you Canadians atm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRb4O_8g5Fl/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on July 17, 2021, 09:35:22 PM
Me too. Vancouver show has my favorite newish punk band, Alien Boys opening for them. I’d hawk Wendy’s chicken nuggets with Bucky to get to see that show.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 12, 2021, 07:15:26 PM
Looks like they played Winnipeg over the weekend, anyone on here go?
Believe it or not, I was walking home from work last night and all of a sudden started to wonder about that TETA remix that was done at the blasting room and guess what was at the top of my feed when I woke up this morning?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CU8Ogvrv2ST/?utm_medium=copy_link

Snagged a colored vinyl copy!!!
(After Fat’s web store broke and wouldn’t ship to Japan)
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Have A Nice Great on November 03, 2021, 12:54:28 PM
One of the greats.

During my kinder-punk exploration in middle school I would pick up cool looking used CDs at the flea market and snagged less talk and HTCE, which both hooked into my pubescent brain immediately and have stuck with me since. I was a huge blink 182 fan and really appreciated the silliness and pop sensibilities of HTCE mixed with the scathing commentary that I was probably too young to understand but certainly old enough to think was cool. I remember hearing “stick the fuckin flag…” for the first time and having a literal “CAN THEY SAY THAT??” moment while washing dishes at my parents house lol.

I used to upload the flea market CDs onto my Xbox 360 and listen to them nonstop while playing skate 2 and MW. some of those early propagandhi tunes still give me a weird Pavlovian response and take me back to playing call of duty as a teen. Kind of funny in hindsight considering the lyrical content of the records vs the literal military propaganda I was playing lol

I also distinctly remember opening up the Less Talk More Rock CD for the first time and seeing “pro feminist, animal friendly, anti fascist, gay positive” in a circle around the disc. I doubt I knew what feminism or fascism really were back when I was like 14, but by that point I definitely knew I was gay and it was really encouraging to see a band unabashedly support the gay community during a pretty confusing time in my life when I wasn’t quite sure where I fit in.

I saw them with Comeback Kid in 2009 in Buffalo. I couldn’t drive yet and the propagandhi show was on a Friday, and Godspeed You Black Emperor was playing the same venue the next night so my dad only let me go to one. I chose propagandhi and thought I would regret it for years because of how elusive and cryptic GYBE is, but I’ve seen Godspeed 5-6 times since and have yet to catch propagandhi again. Definitely don’t regret it now. Very sick show.

Anyway, they’re one of my favorite bands ever and it’s great to see them getting some love. I’ve kept up with all of the releases but fell off a bit when failed states came out. Still love em to death, but those first 5 records (pretty fucking good run if you ask me) hold a very special place in my musical awakening


Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 03, 2021, 04:48:11 PM
One of the greats.

During my kinder-punk exploration in middle school I would pick up cool looking used CDs at the flea market and snagged less talk and HTCE, which both hooked into my pubescent brain immediately and have stuck with me since. I was a huge blink 182 fan and really appreciated the silliness and pop sensibilities of HTCE mixed with the scathing commentary that I was probably too young to understand but certainly old enough to think was cool. I remember hearing “stick the fuckin flag…” for the first time and having a literal “CAN THEY SAY THAT??” moment while washing dishes at my parents house lol.

I used to upload the flea market CDs onto my Xbox 360 and listen to them nonstop while playing skate 2 and MW. some of those early propagandhi tunes still give me a weird Pavlovian response and take me back to playing call of duty as a teen. Kind of funny in hindsight considering the lyrical content of the records vs the literal military propaganda I was playing lol

I also distinctly remember opening up the Less Talk More Rock CD for the first time and seeing “pro feminist, animal friendly, anti fascist, gay positive” in a circle around the disc. I doubt I knew what feminism or fascism really were back when I was like 14, but by that point I definitely knew I was gay and it was really encouraging to see a band unabashedly support the gay community during a pretty confusing time in my life when I wasn’t quite sure where I fit in.

I saw them with Comeback Kid in 2009 in Buffalo. I couldn’t drive yet and the propagandhi show was on a Friday, and Godspeed You Black Emperor was playing the same venue the next night so my dad only let me go to one. I chose propagandhi and thought I would regret it for years because of how elusive and cryptic GYBE is, but I’ve seen Godspeed 5-6 times since and have yet to catch propagandhi again. Definitely don’t regret it now. Very sick show.

Anyway, they’re one of my favorite bands ever and it’s great to see them getting some love. I’ve kept up with all of the releases but fell off a bit when failed states came out. Still love em to death, but those first 5 records (pretty fucking good run if you ask me) hold a very special place in my musical awakening



yes! that's an awesome story and some really cool memories you have there, gotta love it when bands time warp you back to certain times in your life. I've listened to them constantly since the first day I heard them so I can always trace back to when I first heard certain songs/ albums.
I think failed states is up there as one of their best albums, but if you like that old skool 'Gandhi sound then check out victory lap; it defs harkens back to the LTMR era on a lot of tracks! Only a week until that TETA remix drops, so keen to hear how Mate Ka Moris Ukun Rasik An sounds!!! That track is god tier!!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 09, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
TETA remix in two days boys and gals!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on November 10, 2021, 03:37:09 AM
I’m not sure if I’ll grab the vinyl next time I go to Tokyo, but I’ll probably cop the download.

I don’t usually notice differences in ‘remastering’. But I listened to TETA so much, and just the tiny bit of ‘Back to the Motor League’ I hear sounded WAAAAY better

Edit- I lie. I just messaged my local record store to grab me a copy
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 10, 2021, 08:35:11 PM
Hahaha, you know you need the wax version cuck! I have the colored one incoming.
As mentioned up there, it's my least fav album of theirs despite the fact that I love some of the songs on there; I'm hoping this will change my mind on the other tracks! oh and 4 bonus tracks too
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 12, 2021, 05:04:05 PM
Woah, this thing is EPIC!!!
The fuck the border demo is the version they were playing when the came to Australia in 97’
Sounds a lot more ISPY

The remixed tracks SMOKE! Me and my kids are  currently cleaning to Purina hall of fame
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 08, 2021, 10:08:49 PM
BUMP!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbij8k8L33M
this thing shreds!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on December 09, 2021, 05:14:54 AM
Still waiting for the local record store to get the vinyl I asked for.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 09, 2021, 06:06:05 AM
Still waiting for the local record store to get the vinyl I asked for.
I’m still waiting on mine to arrive from fat! I will say that the remix changed my mine on a lot of songs and also breathed new life
Into songs I already loved! I don’t have a Musical background, nor do I ever really care about/ notice remixes, but this one is very distinct! It sounds so fresh even in 2021!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Frank Sobotka on December 09, 2021, 06:26:28 AM
How to Clean Everything is fucking ace.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 09, 2021, 06:57:30 AM
How to Clean Everything is fucking ace.
I can’t fathom that there’s fans out there that don’t rate it! I guess they came in later or whatever, but at the time it was blowing almost everything else out of the water in terms of punk, which is crazy when you think about where they come from!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 08, 2022, 08:19:29 PM
On a kick rn.  DM'd my local record store about getting a copy of TETA remaster for me.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 08, 2022, 11:08:11 PM
On a kick rn.  DM'd my local record store about getting a copy of TETA remaster for me.
it will blow your fucking mind!
I know absolutely nothing about music/ production, but I can hear so many subtle differences with the remaster.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: mattchew on January 09, 2022, 07:48:30 AM
A powerfully bad band. Like, impressively shitty.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on January 10, 2022, 12:53:10 AM
A powerfully bad band. Like, impressively shitty.

Well, that’s just leaving us hanging.

Why do you think so?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 10, 2022, 01:23:35 AM
A powerfully bad band. Like, impressively shitty.
I mean they certainly aren’t for everyone, but when you say shitty, what aspect of their output are you basing your judgment on?
Cuz lyrically and sonically they fucking shine, and unlike most of their former (I say former because they’ve outgrown their 90s skate punk brethren) peers they’ve evolved a shit tonne over the years !

@mattchew cmon mate, don’t leave us hanging…
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: mattchew on January 16, 2022, 07:24:32 AM
It’s been over a decade since I last heard them (thankfully, lol) but anything remotely based in the world of pop punk, no matter how progressive/rad their politics/lyrics are, is so wack to me. I cannot get down with 50 year old Canadians singing about shit that sounds like it’s made by teens, it’s just so soft. And not that everything has to be “hard”, it’s just that they exist within the world of punk/hc but explicitly aren’t that, which results in them just sounding so lame to me.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on January 16, 2022, 02:06:43 PM
It’s been over a decade since I last heard them (thankfully, lol) but anything remotely based in the world of pop punk, no matter how progressive/rad their politics/lyrics are, is so wack to me. I cannot get down with 50 year old Canadians singing about shit that sounds like it’s made by teens, it’s just so soft. And not that everything has to be “hard”, it’s just that they exist within the world of punk/hc but explicitly aren’t that, which results in them just sounding so lame to me.

Except for maybe 3 songs really haven’t made pop punk since the 90’s.
They left that behind and went back to their prairie roots of thrash and metal.
https://youtu.be/3xva-cdBi8E
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: mattchew on January 17, 2022, 09:31:50 AM
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It’s been over a decade since I last heard them (thankfully, lol) but anything remotely based in the world of pop punk, no matter how progressive/rad their politics/lyrics are, is so wack to me. I cannot get down with 50 year old Canadians singing about shit that sounds like it’s made by teens, it’s just so soft. And not that everything has to be “hard”, it’s just that they exist within the world of punk/hc but explicitly aren’t that, which results in them just sounding so lame to me.
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Except for maybe 3 songs really haven’t made pop punk since the 90’s.
They left that behind and went back to their prairie roots of thrash and metal.
https://youtu.be/3xva-cdBi8E

Listened to the first 60 seconds of this track and when the vocals kick in it immediately makes me have to circle back to:

A powerfully bad band. Like, impressively shitty.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 17, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
I mean it’s clear that you don’t get them and that’s fine (I don’t “get” tonnes of bands that people absolutely froth over), but I would argue that if you haven’t listened to them in the last 10 years, then you aren’t in any position to judge them as a band; they’ve evolved their sound more in the last 10 years than since they started and they are by no means “soft”. If your initial criticism of them was in reference to a band like say pennywise or NOFX then yeah, I 100% agree — you shouldn’t be making the same music you made as a teen well into your 40s/ 50s but I maintain that the ‘Gandhi have long since evolved past 90s skate punk.

Try something off of failed states like this:
https://youtu.be/RHPW2gTg7k0
Again, I don’t think we’ll be able to change your mind here so I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree with this one!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: mattchew on January 17, 2022, 04:07:55 PM
Hearty LOL at not being able to “get” propagandhi. Also I’m not allowed to have an opinion about something after 10 years has passed? What? Weird.  Wack takes, wack band.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 17, 2022, 04:36:06 PM
I used the word “get” because you’re still lumping them in the pop/ skate punk genre when it’s clear they’ve evolved beyond that.
They started in 1986-ish, if you don’t like their earlier/ snottier output, you’re hardly in the minority; there’s die hard fans out there that hate HTCE! There’s also people like @cucktard who don’t gel as much with their current thrashier/prog-inspired sound.

BUT their output over the last 10 years (specifically the albums supporting case and failed states) arguably outshine anything they ever put out in the 90s so if you were to make an informed criticism of their work, then (at least imho) you should be taking that output into account too. TLDR - you can’t simply judge a band while ignoring their most prolific era. If you did that with any other band that has been around for 3+ decades, their fans would have a field day with you!

As I said, it’s fine if you don’t like them and I hardly think we’re going to change your mind, but you came into band-specific thread and called said band “wack” and “powerfully bad” judging them only on content they put out in the 90s … what did you expect?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: igrindtwinkies on January 18, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Got my copy of Today's Empires, Tomorrow's ashes today.  First Propagandhi I own on vinyl.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 19, 2022, 05:19:21 AM
Got my copy of Today's Empires, Tomorrow's ashes today.  First Propagandhi I own on vinyl.
good shit, are you blasting the fuck out of it?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 14, 2022, 08:30:18 PM
So this came on on Friday night on my way home and I'm not sure if it was because it's the remaster, but it just sounded so fucking massive and reminded me why I love John K Sanson era 'Gandhi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yioTt2FBBmI

Maybe not common knowledge depending on your level of nerdiness, but greenest eyes was originally an acoustic John K Samson track from his demo mixed with an old Chris track called preamble. One of my mates wrote to G7 when they were first starting out and they sent him so much shit including said demo tape (along with two Propagandhi demo tapes) out of the kindness of their hearts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL_dMZGdgks
We rocked the shit out of that tape back in the day!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on February 15, 2022, 05:13:48 AM
I finally got the Todays Empires Tomorrows Ashes on vinyl, and yeah, they very noticeable tuned it up and it feels quite a bit more hectic, mostly because they brought Jord’s drums to the forefront.

It’s pretty gnarly now.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 16, 2022, 05:03:07 AM
I finally got the Todays Empires Tomorrows Ashes on vinyl, and yeah, they very noticeable tuned it up and it feels quite a bit more hectic, mostly because they brought Jord’s drums to the forefront.

It’s pretty gnarly now.
vocals are a lot crisper too and there’s little subtleties in the songs that you couldn’t hear in the OG versions.
I wish they release the demo tracks as a 7”, probably never going to happen.

Looks like they just announced London tour dates too! I HAVE to see them once again while they are still a band
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 02, 2022, 09:06:54 PM
Listening to the night letters episode on the podcast. Hardest propagandhi song ever? Top 3 Todd songs for sure…
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 03, 2022, 09:54:53 PM
Currently very jealous of anyone leaving remotely near Montreal:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Capm05Hp8_6/?utm_medium=copy_link

GR and Propagandhi on the same bill? Damn son…
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: igrindtwinkies on March 06, 2022, 04:37:51 PM
I'm hoping they hit Minneapolis sometime soon.  I've been really wanting to see them live.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 08, 2022, 05:44:55 AM
I'm hoping they hit Minneapolis sometime soon.  I've been really wanting to see them live.
I really need to see them at least once more in this lifetime!
I’ve been listening to supporting caste from start to finish lately, straight bangers!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 06, 2022, 01:11:27 AM
@JRF  you have been summoned:
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https://youtu.be/O8LAodjW78k
I honestly never thought this track would still be as relevant as it was in 95…
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These dudes and I-spy we’re the best thing to happen to music since music was invited. Pretty sure Rory from I-spy was the guitarist in swallowing shit after tod left I-spy to play bass for propagandhi…
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See, I knew you had good taste! I even remember you wearing an ISPY shirt back in the day. Todd was in swallowing shit too no?
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Yeah man! I had a picture in TWS I think, wearing that I-SPY shirt with the graphic of the solider standing over a dead girl from the cover of the split they did with propagandhi on recess records. I think Todd initially played guitar in swallowing shit, if I remember correctly. Todd’s a great bassist but he’s an even better guitarist. I saw I-spy live in a tiny ass little dive bar in Minot, North Dakota back in ‘95, one of the best live shows I’ve ever attended. If I had to pick  a favorite band of all time, it would be I-SPY. That split they did with propagandhi changed my life, it got me interested in playing guitar. Their album “perversity is spreading, it’s about time” is one of those albums that every single song on the album is fucking amazing!

Please check the link for the fuck the border episode from the propagandhi podcast below: it is basically Todd doing an oral history of ISPY, I think you’ll really dig it! (Split with propagandhi is also my fav thing to ever come out on wax)

I always loved the fact that you rocked that shirt, because I was heavily into them at the time and was surprised that not many skaters knew about them. People always harp on about HxCx but know nothing about ISPY which always baffles me… “oh yeah, you like earth crisis? That’s cool and all, but I motherfucking SPY son!!!”
Please feel free to nerd out about propagandhi adjacent bands in here too!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3PJN0FwwS1FWWI4QZ9osKJ?si=PWOnrbsKSJWUhyJQnW9TNw
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 06, 2022, 01:21:58 AM
So… I have a friend that loves punk and metal and for years I’ve been trying to convert him to propagandhi. He likes certain songs, but was never really fully on board with them!
He messaged me the other day and said he’s heavy into LTMR at the moment though and it got me so pumped that the penny finally dropped for him!
How good is it that they still play this in 2022?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=F993g-rYBXo&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 06, 2022, 10:30:47 PM
@JRF  you have been summoned:
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https://youtu.be/O8LAodjW78k
I honestly never thought this track would still be as relevant as it was in 95…
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These dudes and I-spy we’re the best thing to happen to music since music was invited. Pretty sure Rory from I-spy was the guitarist in swallowing shit after tod left I-spy to play bass for propagandhi…
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See, I knew you had good taste! I even remember you wearing an ISPY shirt back in the day. Todd was in swallowing shit too no?
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Yeah man! I had a picture in TWS I think, wearing that I-SPY shirt with the graphic of the solider standing over a dead girl from the cover of the split they did with propagandhi on recess records. I think Todd initially played guitar in swallowing shit, if I remember correctly. Todd’s a great bassist but he’s an even better guitarist. I saw I-spy live in a tiny ass little dive bar in Minot, North Dakota back in ‘95, one of the best live shows I’ve ever attended. If I had to pick  a favorite band of all time, it would be I-SPY. That split they did with propagandhi changed my life, it got me interested in playing guitar. Their album “perversity is spreading, it’s about time” is one of those albums that every single song on the album is fucking amazing!
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Please check the link for the fuck the border episode from the propagandhi podcast below: it is basically Todd doing an oral history of ISPY, I think you’ll really dig it! (Split with propagandhi is also my fav thing to ever come out on wax)

I always loved the fact that you rocked that shirt, because I was heavily into them at the time and was surprised that not many skaters knew about them. People always harp on about HxCx but know nothing about ISPY which always baffles me… “oh yeah, you like earth crisis? That’s cool and all, but I motherfucking SPY son!!!”
Please feel free to nerd out about propagandhi adjacent bands in here too!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3PJN0FwwS1FWWI4QZ9osKJ?si=PWOnrbsKSJWUhyJQnW9TNw

Fucking awesome! Thanks man! I’ll definitely have to listen to this tonight. My 2 favorite bands (I-spy/propagandhi) those two bands change my life drastically. I don’t know what I would’ve happened if I was never exposed to both of these bands! When Todd joined propagandhi I was stoked, but I also knew it would be the end to I-spy but that also meant that propagandhi’s song writing would change for the better. I wasn’t a huge fan of the “less talk more rock” album, lyrics wise it was amazing but instrumentally it was a little too soft imo. I hope there will be an I-spy reunion tour some day! Like I said before, that I-spy/propagandhi split album is the soul reason that I started playing guitar.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 06, 2022, 10:32:48 PM
I had the privilege of attending this show, it was mind blowing to say the least


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kau_Ffg5UFI
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 06, 2022, 11:39:10 PM
Also worth mentioning.I tried to use I-spy and propagandhi songs for my video parts on a couple of occasions. My part in the globe video was actually first edited to the propagandhi “with friends like these, who the fuck needs cointel pro” and it actually came out pretty decent for how I wanted the part to be. But globe wasn’t having it and so they picked the other song that they used and I had no say in the matter. And I absolutely hated the song they use instead for my part, I was super bummed on that and super embarrassed at the video premiere when my part came on. I used the song “showdown G.E.P” for one of my Powell video parts, but it was far too short of a part and it didn’t really work good for that part. I’m phsyched on that link you posted, it’s going to be a good listen for when I go to bed.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 07, 2022, 10:37:42 PM
So… I have a friend that loves punk and metal and for years I’ve been trying to convert him to propagandhi. He likes certain songs, but was never really fully on board with them!
He messaged me the other day and said he’s heavy into LTMR at the moment though and it got me so pumped that the penny finally dropped for him!
How good is it that they still play this in 2022?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=F993g-rYBXo&feature=youtu.be

I stumbled on this new remix propagandhi did of hallie sellases and found it to be a pretty interesting new rendition

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1iLEj4T-vN8


Pretty good take on “new atheism” since becoming  more of a weird ass racist religion instead of the fundamental belief that god does not exist…Like Sam Harris’ absurd beliefs that there’s some sort of spiritual belief to atheism.

Also, the very first version of “and we thought the nation states were a bad idea” from the split with I spy is by far the best version of that song by far in my opinion, the way Chris sings the lyrics in that version just seems so much better and raw than the other two version from the LTMR album and the other version from one of the fat wreck chords compilation.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 07, 2022, 11:20:25 PM
Less Talk, More Rock is their only good album

2nd least favorite album. (Just my personal opinion of course)

My list from favorite to least favorite

1. I’d rather be flag burning/ I-spy split
2.how to clean everything (the first album I heard by them) and the fact that Chris recorded all the guitar tracks on a shitty krate practice amp and a Korean made cheap ass Jackson dinky)
3.todays empires (especially once the remastered the album)
4.supporting caste (mostly because of the title track is fucking amazing)
5. Victory lap (I didn’t think I’d put this album this high on the list, but some of the lyrics are just so witty and well thought out, I.E the lyric about the free market fundamentalist and the sarcastic tounge and cheek mention of Ayn rand and the invisible hand is pure genius.
6. Potemkin city limits (because, in my opinion this album is what less talk more rock could’ve been if they weren’t so jaded when they recorded “less talk”
7.less talk more rock. Great lyrics and the fact that they made that album for themselves, not giving a shit about how it would be received and the chance it could sort of sink there popularity since a lot of their fans at the time didn’t actually listen to what they were singing  about, it’s just that I didn’t find the guitar playing all that special and wasn’t a big fan of the production difference between that album and how to clean everything.
8. Failed states, my least favorite, not that it’s a bad album but it just didn’t really stand out to me, the guitar and bass riffs are some of if not there best work technically, but I just didn’t really like the songs as a whole, sort of the opposite of less talk, let bed the music but the lyrics were sort of lack luster imo.

That’s it besides “where quality” and “where quantity” albums, along with the “recovered EP” and a few more I forgetting. But that’s my list and my favorite to least favorite even though they’re all amazing in their own way.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 07, 2022, 11:39:53 PM
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I back this, I think their cover of Cheap Trick was absolute trash of how to clean everything.

They've had a weird following early 2000's albeit militant queer friendly but have caused fighting at show's. Maybe sussing out Nazi's? Street beefs? Jealous lover's? Who really knows the story idk.....

I would love to see them but I'm not in to show's with meathead tough guy's.
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where on earth did you see them? i saw them on a weeknight, stood fairly close to the stage and i don’t think i was even prompted to involuntarily move my feet while they played.

i lean supporting caste as my favorite album and in the talk of potempkin i posit that “rock for sustainable capitalism” is one of the all-time great diss tracks.

“this year’s vans warped tour is going green, i guess they heard that money grows on trees. i hope they shit those shitty bands overseas like the did the factories” juvenile, mean and an adult criticism of their business practices. perfection.

I love the line “excuse me as I laugh in your face as I itemize your receipts and power point your balance sheets!”
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 08, 2022, 12:42:13 AM
@cucktard
Fair enough, thrash metal was the only metal I’ve ever liked so maybe that’s why they resonate with me so well. As I said, even when I heard HTCE I was like, oh these guys love Metallica!
Been listening to victory lap this morning and agree with @igrindtwinkies that there’s so many intricacies in their music that you don’t always pick up on a surface level. Get the remastered version of failed states and chuck it on a good stereo with some quality headphones, shit it EPIC!!!

The “by the way I stole this riff” is from the song “and justice for all” off the album “and justice for all” so, I think it’s safe to say that Chris Hannah was a Metallica fan Haha! Well, at least a fan of hetfield’s guitar riffs. You can here a lot of celtic frost, venom, king diamond, exodus and early mercyful fate guitar riff influence on the “how to clean everything” album. I started really getting into guitar playing by learning most of the riffs off of “HTCE”, good riddance’s album “for god and country” and the 1 or 2 I-spy songs I could somewhat figure out of the prop/I-spy split and after a few years I started figuring out different songs from different old school metal bands (metal bands I really didn’t care that much for but liked some of the guitar riffs) and I realized that a lot of the scales, pick attack and note patterns were a lot like certain propagandhi riffs. That’s another good album though “for god and country” by good riddance, I never really cared for any of their other albums but that one is pretty fucking good imo.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 08, 2022, 01:59:27 AM
@JRF I'm glad you're a massive propgandhi nerd like myself.  I agree that the split with ISPY is such an important record, it captured both bands' anger so well!
Epic that you were at that ISPY show! I wish I could have seen them, closest I got was when Todd first joined propgandhi and they were playing early versions of fuck the border. Imagine seeing swallowing shit live? :O

Okay, it looks like you are the only pro to ever use a 'Gandhi track which is so cool! I'd never seen that part of yours but I just looked it up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIVwCYeEWVE
That's cool that most of it was John's section too, those guys that make the propagandhi podcast hated on showdown early on in their episodes and I was absolutely mindblown how, as fans, they could hate on that track... they still do a good job, but came into the game late as fans! They also didn't know that greenest eyes was off of John's demo and that preamble was another song entirely, what I will say is that they are happy to correct their mistakes which I have to give them credit for.
Bummer you couldn't use cointel for your globe part...

Early versions of nation states are better, there's another 2 or 3 versions floating around on various fat comps, but as I , and you, said above: flag burning captured their (and ISPY's) true essence and anger. Would have been interesting to hear the LTMR tracks with a different (angrier) production. LTMR is so squeaky and polished, but the content is defs them at their most angry (or maybe PCL is?)!

Thanks for ranking their albums too, good to see other opinions. Victory Lap doesn't get enough love, it was ranked low on mine, it shouldn't be. The opening track, negredo and zoochosis fucking destroy!!!!

Glad you back supporting caste mostly because of that track alone, 1 of their top 3 songs for me of all time! Supporting Caste smokes as a record though, night letters, without love, last will and testament... fucking hell!

Okay, woah, failed states is low for you, have you heard the remaster? Sounds a lot better. I used to jog to that album and it really hit me listening to it through earphones I think. Also, this bonus track has heavy heavy ISPY vibes imho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ht7bGDZmVo
That part where the riff slows down OMG
Rattan Cane may be their heaviest track too? (although night letters fucking PUMPS)
I get you though, even your least fav is still only your least fav propagandhi album so it's still amazing right?
When I initially reviewed Failed States, I mentioned that I tended to like parts of songs, as opposed to the whole track. I've since changed my opinion, but yeah, some tracks kinda fall short as a whole when comparing them to the standout tracks.

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Good riddance are good (duh), I've always dug them. Ballads from the Revolution is like their LTMR and Operation Phoenix is their harder/ darker album. Check them out when you've got a minute ... (but yeah, lets keep this thread for Propagandhi and Winnipeg only bands, cuz I want to nerd out to the max!)
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on July 08, 2022, 02:16:26 AM
My CDs are back in Canada, at my sister’s place. I really want my I-Spy ‘Perversity is Spreading’ CD, but my mom is telling me not to bother my sis to look for CDs, she’s way to busy.

But sorry mom, I’m not asking you ‘Yeah, can you find the CD with kids shitting on Pope John Paul II’s head?”

Hopefully my sis can grab that, the I-Spy Propagandhi split (my first Propagandhi CD), and the AK Press ‘Better Read than Dead’ CDs.

I’ve finally got a modern computer and am able to download my Propagandhi discography to my iPhone, so I’ll give all the albums a good listen on my drives to the skatepark and do a proper review.

At the moment, Potemkin had moved to #1
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 08, 2022, 02:37:48 AM
@cucktard we are waiting!
I actually have better read than dead on vinyl, such an important comp for me back in the day!
Potemkin, I will say, has aged really well in terms of their discography and is still very relevant. I don’t need a remaster, but I’d like to hear it with 2 guitarists and Chris’s voice not being so strained … I have the G7 press of it too btw!

Speaking of G7, I’m kinda maybe thinking of trying to collect everything they ever put out, even all the spoken word stuff, not in a hurry, but that label dropped some bangers!

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For shits and giggles, I’m also going to try and narrow down my fav 10 ‘Ghandhi tracks across their whole discog, because I always make stupid claims like “top 5 tracks of all time for them” when in reality it’s probably like somewhere in the top 50…
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on July 08, 2022, 04:06:33 AM
So Propagandhi-adjacent…

The G7 Welcoming Committee label (and subsequent podcast) were both amazing.

So with the G7 bands, I’ve got some

Randy
Weakerthans
I-Spy
Mico
Rhythm Activism
Submission Hold
Warsaw Pack
And finally the Rebel Spell

I saw the last band on tour with Propagandhi the last time I saw them in western Canada. Blew me away the first night, was singing along to them the second. Amazing band with great political lyrics, but unfortunately the lead singer died in a rock climbing accident.

The guitarist started a new band in Vancouver called Alien Boys, which is my current favorite punk band.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 08, 2022, 05:36:06 AM
Warsaw pack and Mico are great, never really got into Randy, but I’m randy curious lol
First ever G7 release is the painted thin split with John K Samson CD. Painted thin are one of my favorite bands even in 2022. Also like the first intl. noise conspiracy record, Hiretsukan, Greg McPherson and But Alive…
Swallowing shit anthology made me a grind core fan though and is my fav G7 release bar maybe perversity is spreading and the above mentioned painted thin/ John k split (this was released before they were really officially a label though) oh what about giant sons though?
You all know this track right?
https://youtu.be/eBB0ZhHcdvk
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 08, 2022, 07:19:31 AM
@JRF I'm glad you're a massive propgandhi nerd like myself.  I agree that the split with ISPY is such an important record, it captured both bands' anger so well!
Epic that you were at that ISPY show! I wish I could have seen them, closest I got was when Todd first joined propgandhi and they were playing early versions of fuck the border. Imagine seeing swallowing shit live? :O

Okay, it looks like you are the only pro to ever use a 'Gandhi track which is so cool! I'd never seen that part of yours but I just looked it up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIVwCYeEWVE
That's cool that most of it was John's section too, those guys that make the propagandhi podcast hated on showdown early on in their episodes and I was absolutely mindblown how, as fans, they could hate on that track... they still do a good job, but came into the game late as fans! They also didn't know that greenest eyes was off of John's demo and that preamble was another song entirely, what I will say is that they are happy to correct their mistakes which I have to give them credit for.
Bummer you couldn't use cointel for your globe part...

Early versions of nation states are better, there's another 2 or 3 versions floating around on various fat comps, but as I , and you, said above: flag burning captured their (and ISPY's) true essence and anger. Would have been interesting to hear the LTMR tracks with a different (angrier) production. LTMR is so squeaky and polished, but the content is defs them at their most angry (or maybe PCL is?)!

Thanks for ranking their albums too, good to see other opinions. Victory Lap doesn't get enough love, it was ranked low on mine, it shouldn't be. The opening track, negredo and zoochosis fucking destroy!!!!

Glad you back supporting caste mostly because of that track alone, 1 of their top 3 songs for me of all time! Supporting Caste smokes as a record though, night letters, without love, last will and testament... fucking hell!

Okay, woah, failed states is low for you, have you heard the remaster? Sounds a lot better. I used to jog to that album and it really hit me listening to it through earphones I think. Also, this bonus track has heavy heavy ISPY vibes imho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ht7bGDZmVo
That part where the riff slows down OMG
Rattan Cane may be their heaviest track too? (although night letters fucking PUMPS)
I get you though, even your least fav is still only your least fav propagandhi album so it's still amazing right?
When I initially reviewed Failed States, I mentioned that I tended to like parts of songs, as opposed to the whole track. I've since changed my opinion, but yeah, some tracks kinda fall short as a whole when comparing them to the standout tracks.

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Good riddance are good (duh), I've always dug them. Ballads from the Revolution is like their LTMR and Operation Phoenix is their harder/ darker album. Check them out when you've got a minute ... (but yeah, lets keep this thread for Propagandhi and Winnipeg only bands, cuz I want to nerd out to the max!)

Haha! Yeah man, I could nerd out on prop and I-spy until the end of time! As far a the album “failed states” goes, it’s not really my least favorite, it’s just hard to actually put any of their albums as “least favorite” honestly, instrumental wise, failed states is one of my favorites, the guitar riffs and time signatures are ver reminiscent of I-spy IMO, I think it’s just that I never got to much into the album because at the time when it came out I was listening to a couple other bands that had my undivided attention, around that time I was listening to the album “ire works” by “the Dillinger escape plan because I really liked dillingers first album “calculating infinity” but then I didn’t really like any of their material after that until ire works came out. I was also listening to a couple other avant-garde math metal bands like “the tony danza tap dance extravaganza” and I was really into the first protest the hero album, so I just didn’t listen to failed states as much when it came out, I really just need to give it a good listen for a few weeks straight and I’m sure I’d end up ranking it higher, but it’s really hard to rank propagandhi albums to begin with because they all have something different that makes each one pretty much a number one favorite, the only album of theirs that I was sort of disappointed with but still love is “less talk” but that just because when it came out I was expecting it to be a lot like HTCE, there’s a demo EP that they did for less talk before it came out, the EP was called “yup” and it was a few of the less talk songs that were done much more in the style of HTCE, they had a different version of the song “nailing desecrates to the wall” with different lyrics sort of like the version that’s on “where quantity is Job1” but it was a faster version with the lyrics in a higher pitch HTCE vocal style, and there was another song that was also on where quantity is job1” “the contest song and it was faster with more thrash distorted guitar tone” and a couple other rough drafts of less talk songs, the lyrics as a whole on less talk are amazing but the music itself was far more basic than HTCE was, but again it’s still a great album but once today’s empire’s came out I kind of forgot about less talk because todays empires really had that I-spy influence to it (obviously thanks to Todd joining the band. Anyway. I do need to listen to failed states again, when failed states came out their live performance got even better so there’s definitely a lot there that’s important to their discography.. I could nerd out on propagandhi for days, the way Chris Hannah sings and plays guitar solos at the same time is fucking ridiculous! It’s insane that he can use a guitar capo and still sound heavy riffing with the capo locked 5 frets up the neck making the guitar 4 steps higher registers than standard E tunning, The songs todd wrote and sang on both Potemkin and victory lap are fucking amazing. I could go on for days. I used showdown for that video part because it was the first propagandhi I learned how to play legitimately on the guitar. That’s another thing about their music, I was able to learn how to play the guitar on all of the HTCE album, all of less talk, I couldn’t figure out much of any of the songs on todays empires, was able to figure out close to everything on Potemkin, figured out a few of the more technical songs on supporting caste, really nothing from failed states and I haven’t really tried to learn much of victory lap because just listening to it I can tell that it’ll be really frustrating to figure out. Propagandhi os really the only band I listen to that I take the effort to figure out how to play the songs, most other bands I like I’m never really interested in trying to learn how to play the guitar on their albums because I don’t really like learning other band’s songs but with propagandhi im always so intrigued to figure out the guitar riffs. I have quite a few of their guitar tab books and the tab books make it even harder to figure out how to play a lot of their songs because you find out real quick with propagandhi that you can emulate the right chords, riffs and single notes to sound like you’re playing wxactly like Chris does but then you look at the sheet music and realize how much more full some of the chord progressions are and all these subtle added notes here and there, two good examples of that are the songs “the flensing of sandre kaetz” and “hate myth muscle etiquette”. It’s just so intriguing that it just compels me to learn how to play as many of their songs as I possibly can. And like I was saying, I don’t really do that with other bands I listen to because usually, I’d rather just be influenced by a band I like and write my own riffs with subtle influences from other bands I like. But it’s totally different when it comes to propagandhi. , chris Hannah is by far my favorite guitar player of all time for sure people underestimate his ability and the way that he adds different chord progressions from different music styles. It’s also really impressive how much time they put into producing a new set of songs for a new album, they only release a new album every 5 to 6 years… so you know that when they do release a new album they have spent so much time on composing the songs
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 08, 2022, 07:51:35 AM
Hahaha @JRF you're as obsessed as I am! Revisit the remix of failed states!
I know what you’re saying though, victory lap was so low for me and yet it’s an epic epic album!

I know absolute nothing about playing music, but through the podcast I’ve learned a few things and apparently chris has no formal training and thus can’t write music, he can only shred, you seen this?
https://youtu.be/fs272bP3jgQ
You see when the beave fucks up and Chris can pick it up straight away but can only explain to him by playing it. Status update has the most fuct riffs ever!!!you’re right about the intricacies too, most don’t pick them up but if you watch cover vids, you see all the extra little bits of flair that maybe your ears don’t initially pick up!

Apparently beave is an amazing guitar player too, but needed more than a month of playing with Todd everyday just to learn how to play:
https://youtu.be/udOnrbgpoGQ
I think they might be Todd riffs, but of course Chris can nail them with all the weird time changes etc. right off the batt because he’s absolute wizard!
Speaking of night letters, this guy is like half Jord’s age and is still puffing at the end of the one song:
https://youtu.be/XP6Y_gPVwqs
Jord is also a beast and one of the most underrated drummers in punk/ metal!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 08, 2022, 02:46:02 PM
Hahaha @JRF you're as obsessed as I am! Revisit the remix of failed states!
I know what you’re saying though, victory lap was so low for me and yet it’s an epic epic album!

I know absolute nothing about playing music, but through the podcast I’ve learned a few things and apparently chris has no formal training and thus can’t write music, he can only shred, you seen this?
https://youtu.be/fs272bP3jgQ
You see when the beave fucks up and Chris can pick it up straight away but can only explain to him by playing it. Status update has the most fuct riffs ever!!!you’re right about the intricacies too, most don’t pick them up but if you watch cover vids, you see all the extra little bits of flair that maybe your ears don’t initially pick up!

Apparently beave is an amazing guitar player too, but needed more than a month of playing with Todd everyday just to learn how to play:
https://youtu.be/udOnrbgpoGQ
I think they might be Todd riffs, but of course Chris can nail them with all the weird time changes etc. right off the batt because he’s absolute wizard!
Speaking of night letters, this guy is like half Jord’s age and is still puffing at the end of the one song:
https://youtu.be/XP6Y_gPVwqs
Jord is also a beast and one of the most underrated drummers in punk/ metal!

That “status update” practice is fucking crazy! What Chris is playing and singing at the same time is mind boggling! On the album Potemkin city limits, during the song “die juden marschiert” the part where Chris sings the lyrics “this virtual training course, this portal, this Trojan horse, you living idiots paid for and you actually help rolled into your own kids rooms” the singing and guitar soloing at the same time during that part is seriously fucked off! So ridiculous. Comply/resist is another example of his skills of playing and singing together. Most of the songs that Todd sings the guitar tracks are written and also usually recorded by Todd. Todd is just as amazing as Chris on guitar, he’s an awesome bassist too but sometimes I wish they could get a different bassist and have Todd play guitar too with Chris. But the beaver was also an amazing guitarist and sulynn is really amazing, she’s also a lot more versatile in different styles and genres of guitar playing and she’s. Honestly probably a far more well rounded guitarist than Chris or todd, she really brought an amazing layer to the guitar tracks just like David guiles did when he was in the band.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on July 08, 2022, 07:51:26 PM
So, do you guys subscribe to Chris’ Patreon?

Every once in a while he’ll cover one song from the catalog. For about half the podcast he’ll talk about the history, events, people, and ideas that shaped it, and the second half he’ll do a deep dive into the writing, recording, production, and sometimes play demos and variations of the song.

And every once in a while, he’ll talk about some kind of life-altering experience he had, which helps to give a fuller picture of who this amazing human is.

Get on it if you haven’t already.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 08, 2022, 07:52:31 PM
Okay, so I started thinking about top 10 songs, but I need some self-imposed criteria to really make it interesting/ un-biased. Currently brainstorming these with the propgandhi pod peeps:

1. You must choose one song from each album (for convenience sake you can just class the quality 2x 7” and flag burning as quantity, so 8 albums in total.
2. You must choose at least one John K song, or at least one song where you can hear him audibly on backups I.e. the state lottery)
3. You must choose at least one Todd song (duh).
4. One track from each release means you’ll cover beave and sullyn eras.
5. You can only choose a maximum of 4 opening tracks.
6. You can only choose a maximum of 4 closing tracks
7. No more than 3 songs off any one album.

Bonus points if you can include a cover, alternative/ live/ demo version or a deep cut (e.g. pigs will pay, Oka everywhere acoustic)

*PC fascist/ nailing Descartes is a single track, no arguments

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Would appreciate feedback/ ideas!

@cucktard i haven’t but I so need to, just need to find the time because I spend so much time just listening to their tracks tbh
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 08, 2022, 10:21:07 PM
Okay, so I started thinking about top 10 songs, but I need some self-imposed criteria to really make it interesting/ un-biased. Currently brainstorming these with the propgandhi pod peeps:

1. You must choose one song from each album (for convenience sake you can just class the quality 2x 7” and flag burning as quantity, so 8 albums in total.
2. You must choose at least one John K song, or at least one song where you can hear him audibly on backups I.e. the state lottery)
3. You must choose at least one Todd song (duh).
4. One track from each release means you’ll cover beave and sullyn eras.
5. You can only choose a maximum of 4 opening tracks.
6. You can only choose a maximum of 4 closing tracks
7. No more than 3 songs off any one album.

Bonus points if you can include a cover, alternative/ live/ demo version or a deep cut (e.g. pigs will pay)

*PC fascist/ nailing Descartes is a single track, no arguments

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Would appreciate feedback/ ideas!

@cucktard i haven’t but I so need to, just need to find the time because I spend so much time just listening to their tracks tbh

Ahhhh! I like this, I’m on the last grueling hour and a half shift at my work and this post/questionnaire is a flat out awesome idea!

1. So let’s see, for number one I’ll just list 8 from said albums..here it goes
1. “I’d like to see what happened at OKA happen everywhere” (I think I got the title name right)
2. Hate/myth/muscle/etiquette (the last lyric verse and the “yup” is just so amazing”
3.nailing desecrates to the wall (the drums beat, the heavy guitar chugging and the conviction in Chris’ voice when he sings the line “meat is still murder, dairy is still rape!” Is the most emotional and powerful song verse imo, it gave me chills when I first heard it.
4.with friends like these, who the fuck needs cointel pro? Chris actually sings the FBI’s mission statement for operation cointel pro as a whole, look it up online on the fbi database and you’ll see just how brilliant the lyrics are for that song
5.this is a tough one and it’s probably a tie between “the bringer of greater things” and “iteration” I don’t think I can pick a favorite between those two.
6. Supporting caste the guitar riff that’s played and then the short pause then Chris whispers “yessss” is just fucking awesome
7.with the album failed states I’m not all that familiar with it so I’d have to say that my favorite for now would be the track “the things I like”
8.resist/comply just an amazing song that really addresses the current problem with police profiling and the majority race’s condescending compliments towards minorities and patronizing arguments towards the violent atrocities that were bestowed on America’s indigenous people. And sullyn’s rhythm guitar layer over Chris’ leads.

So this is part one, I’ll continue with part two later. And again, I really like this idea you came up with, being the propagandhi super nerd that I am!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 09, 2022, 04:55:19 AM
Nice, that was quick, I have a first draft but still might edit some rules/ conditions …
Props for Oka @ #1, been my fav track forever too. Hate, myth muscle is underrated too!
Nailing changed my world, I was never the same after that track, possible the most powerful animal rights song ever written!
How do you like the demo of cointel on the reissue? Tbh I never meshed with the original, but the demo is fire!
If you chose bringer of greater things, that’s at least one Todd song out of the way ;)
Supporting caste will be in my top 3, YES to the part after he whispers “yes” goosebumps, also the stadium riff after “you may as well DANCE”!!!
Comply/ resist is another banger, I’m very partial to the opening track, but I’m already at my opening track quota and aren’t sure what I’m going to do about night letters…
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You have two more tracks to go and you need a John K song!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 10, 2022, 01:36:27 AM
Nice, that was quick, I have a first draft but still might edit some rules/ conditions …
Props for Oka @ #1, been my fav track forever too. Hate, myth muscle is underrated too!
Nailing changed my world, I was never the same after that track, possible the most powerful animal rights song ever written!
How do you like the demo of cointel on the reissue? Tbh I never meshed with the original, but the demo is fire!
If you chose bringer of greater things, that’s at least one Todd song out of the way ;)
Supporting caste will be in my top 3, YES to the part after he whispers “yes” goosebumps, also the stadium riff after “you may as well DANCE”!!!
Conor/ resist is another banger, I’m very partial to the opening track but I’m already at my opening track quota and aren’t sure what I’m going to do about night letters…
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You have two more tracks to go and you need a John K song!

Nailing desecrates had the same affect on me too and I agree with you about it probably being the best and most powerful, thought provoking animal liberation/rights song.


there’s also a verse in the song “the purina hall of fame”  that points out how some of the more shallow animal rights groups (like peta for example are vain and usually only care about saving the lives of animals that are visually pleasing aesthetically (like most domestic pets)

“Too bad the tribute's paid to lives that relegate these thrones
To lives spent valuing the runners-up, are known
Are to be neither fleeting nor desirable”

That lyric puts things into perspective when it comes to valuing the life of a cat or dog because of how they are cute/pleasing to the eye and therefore they are looked at as more deserving of being saved than, say a frog, snake or an opossum…

As I think I said earlier, I can definitely nerd out to discussing propagandhi for days! Haha!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on July 10, 2022, 01:31:20 PM
 https://youtu.be/XMcRN5DGGzE (https://youtu.be/XMcRN5DGGzE)
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 10, 2022, 09:06:17 PM
https://youtu.be/XMcRN5DGGzE (https://youtu.be/XMcRN5DGGzE)
... and they call this peace!

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sulynn is really amazing, she’s also a lot more versatile in different styles and genres of guitar playing and she’s. Honestly probably a far more well rounded guitarist than Chris or todd, she really brought an amazing layer to the guitar tracks just like David guiles did when he was in the band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeenFGMlZ_4
Imagine that being your audition footy!!!

Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 12, 2022, 06:43:18 PM
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https://youtu.be/XMcRN5DGGzE (https://youtu.be/XMcRN5DGGzE)
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... and they call this peace!

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sulynn is really amazing, she’s also a lot more versatile in different styles and genres of guitar playing and she’s. Honestly probably a far more well rounded guitarist than Chris or todd, she really brought an amazing layer to the guitar tracks just like David guiles did when he was in the band.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeenFGMlZ_4
Imagine that being your audition footy!!!

I actually audition for the back guitarist job. But there was no way in hell I would’ve been picked,,, I can play htce, ltmr, and Potemkin pretty easily, but when comes down to 80 percent of todays empires and failed states I would not be able to hold down the rhythm layer, let alone any of the leads, some of the capo settings on today’s empires is fucking ridiculous! Then there’s the supporting cast album, which I can improve my way through the song “Potemkin city limits” and “without love” “sandre katze” “night letters” and “this is your life” are easy enough to figure out. I agree with the sentiment that sullyn is more than cut out for the job and if you watch some of her tutorials you can tell that she must have not just been cut out for the band but most likely offers song writing on “victory lap” and any album they record after that. Not saying this as an insult to Dave “the beaver” guilles (probably butchered the spelling of his last name).but sullyn seems to be able to add creativity to the band. But “the beav” did write the opening riff to “tertium non datur” and that is one hell of a face melting riff.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 12, 2022, 07:22:13 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNLY_sR1xs


This interview with Chris Hannah is pretty good.
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 12, 2022, 09:04:15 PM
updated my criteria for top ten songs and have a rough draft of my picks.

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1. You must choose one song from each album (for the sake of convenience, you can just class the quality double 7” and flag burning as the “where quantity is job #1” CD if you like, so 8 albums in total. (HTCE, Quantity(and/ or IRBFB ), LTMR, TETA, PCL, SC, FS, VL)

2. You must choose at least one John K Samson track (Gifts, Anchorless, Showdown, letter or resignation), or at least one song where you can hear him audibly on backups I.e. the state lottery.)

3. You must choose at least one Todd song (duh).

4. One track from each release means you’ll cover The Beave and Sulynn eras.

5. You can only choose a maximum of 3 opening tracks.

6. You can only choose a maximum of 3 closing tracks

7. No more than 3 songs off of any one album.

8 You must include at least one deep cut (bonus/ demo/ live/ alternative track, a cover (either a cover they did or a propagandhi cover done by another band e.g. Nasum, the weakerthans), or a song not released on any of the 8 albums album listed above e.g. letter of resignation, homophobes are just pissed, oka everywhere acoustic etc.)
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I think it's a bit more well-rounded and challenging now
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 13, 2022, 09:23:00 PM
I actually audition for the back guitarist job.
wait, what?
and yes, that interview is great, re-watching it for the 3rd or so time
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 15, 2022, 01:38:00 AM
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I actually audition for the back guitarist job.
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wait, what?
and yes, that interview is great, re-watching it for the 3rd or so time

Yeah, it was the open audition you could send in to the band,, sorry if it sounded like I meant that I auditioned with the band (that was not the case and im sorry if what I wrote sounded misleading), what I meant is I sent in the tracks they asked for (at least 2 out of the 3 or 4 and also 2 tracks I chose (rock for sustainable capitalism and sandor katze if I remember correctly)
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 15, 2022, 01:50:32 AM
updated my criteria for top ten songs and have a rough draft of my picks.

***
1. You must choose one song from each album (for the sake of convenience, you can just class the quality double 7” and flag burning as the “where quantity is job #1” CD if you like, so 8 albums in total. (HTCE, Quantity(and/ or IRBFB ), LTMR, TETA, PCL, SC, FS, VL)

2. You must choose at least one John K Samson track (Gifts, Anchorless, Showdown, letter or resignation), or at least one song where you can hear him audibly on backups I.e. the state lottery.)

3. You must choose at least one Todd song (duh).

4. One track from each release means you’ll cover The Beave and Sulynn eras.

5. You can only choose a maximum of 3 opening tracks.

6. You can only choose a maximum of 3 closing tracks

7. No more than 3 songs off of any one album.

8 You must include at least one deep cut (bonus/ demo/ live/ alternative track, a cover (either a cover they did or a propagandhi cover done by another band e.g. Nasum, the weakerthans), or a song not released on any of the 8 albums album listed above e.g. letter of resignation, homophobes are just pissed, oka everywhere acoustic etc.)
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I think it's a bit more well-rounded and challenging now

For question #8

“Contest song” from “where quantity is Job 1.

And for the cover song? I gotta go with shai hulud‘a cover of “hate myth muscle etiquette” due to how awesome the guitar track is during the lyric verse breaks (the guitar part right after the lyrics “I/you need a good kick in the ass, even tough they play a couple of the notes wrong)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rsf2-66RKpU

Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 15, 2022, 02:36:24 AM
Bonus question #9

Favorite propagandhi cameo on another band’s album.

I’ll have to go with protest the hero’s song “sex tapes” where Chris Hannah sings a verse from 1:02 to 1:13



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Quv-Y5um4Ic
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 18, 2022, 09:48:09 PM
@JRF nerd status achieved! never heard that hate, myth, muscle, etiquette cover. hell, you hardly hear any HTCE covers in general, that's the only one I can think of!
I used to think the only person qualified to cover their songs was Jenn so I'll dedicate this one to you because I know you said this track was one of your faves off of PCL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsKfJkpukYU
(she also does a great purina hall of fame cover)

Your bonus question is super hard, because there is only like 3 songs that exist right lol?
here's mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfLWmmczxk0
never thought I'd ever hear Chris sing about skateboarding, but I guess he could draw some similarities to hockey too?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 19, 2022, 06:49:55 PM
@JRF nerd status achieved! never heard that hate, myth, muscle, etiquette cover. hell, you hardly hear any HTCE covers in general, that's the only one I can think of!
I used to think the only person qualified to cover their songs was Jenn so I'll dedicate this one to you because I know you said this track was one of your faves off of PCL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsKfJkpukYU
(she also does a great purina hall of fame cover)

Your bonus question is super hard, because there is only like 3 songs that exist right lol?
here's mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfLWmmczxk0
never thought I'd ever hear Chris sing about skateboarding, but I guess he could draw some similarities to hockey too?


Damn! That cover was fucking beautiful! And that’s the first time I’ve ever heard “antillectual” and that song was amazing, I had to look up the lyrics for that song and I gotta say that this lyrics are amazing and Chris Hannah singing on it was fucking amazing.. I saw propagandhi in the early to mid 90’s live and chris and Jord wore skateboarding t-shirts often, but they were always shirts from small (and sometimes long gone) skateboarding companies (I.E companies like “small room” and adrenaline) also, propagandhi sent out plenty of “cease and desist” orders on there songs being used in snow and skateboarding videos, my part with “showdown G.E.P” was never hit with a cease and desist, but I think that it’s more because it flew under the radar than the band approving of the song being used…
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 19, 2022, 06:57:05 PM
Another protest the hero song, the lyrics for the song are all about how propagandhi changed there lives, it’s basically a song of praise for propagandhi.. the lyrics are pretty awesome. I guess this could be another bonus question of “Bands writing song lyrics about propagandhi” but I think that’s an even shorter list and the only other  2 songs written about them by other bands are “nofx” single cell organism” (i think that’s the name) and lagwagon’s song “rifle”… but both of those song’s lyrics are about talking bad about Chris Hannah, so they’re not exactly good examples since they are ant-Chris Hannah songs…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFDfmw1N4w
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 19, 2022, 07:22:46 PM
Yeah that’s protest the hero’s version of the bangers embrace huh? (Confession time: I don’t really like protest the hero to be honest)
Good call on one-called organism, it’s not a bad song per se, but propagandhi and nofx were so over each other at that point it was kinda bound to happen, and Mike was hardly going to let them get away with rock for sustainable capitalism without a rebuttal. The Marxist brothers also references “eBay bidding on TETA on Soviet red vinyl” in the lyrics, but that’s not a direct diss track as far as I know!
Chris’ response on the old G7 podcast is kinda hilarious too!

I initially thought this big wig track was a jab at them, but it seems it was more like a jab at propgandhi fans who couldn’t understand or relate with their message(s), or at least I read that in an interview somewhere.
https://youtu.be/gSON7_q41Rc
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 19, 2022, 11:45:52 PM
P.s. this is my rough draft (in chronological order)

Chronological order/ rough cut:

Showdown (HTCE, John Track)
Oka everywhere (IRBFB)
Nailing Descartes (LTMR)
Mate ka moris (TETA, opening track #1)
Speculative fiction (PCL, opening track #2)
Night letters (SC, Todd track #1, opening track #3)
Supporting Caste (SC)
Duplicate Keys Icaro (FS, closing track #1)
The days you hate yourself (FS, Todd track #2, deep cut)
Zoochosis (VL, closing track #2)

But it’s still a work in process … and I wanted to include note to self and rattan came somewhere

@cucktard where you at?

Edit: duplicate keys is a failed states track
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 20, 2022, 01:03:05 AM
P.s. this is my rough draft (in chronicle order)

Chronological order/ rough cut:

Showdown (HTCE, John Track)
Oka everywhere (IRBFB)
Nailing Descartes (LTMR)
Mate ka moris (TETA, opening track #1)
Speculative fiction (PCL, opening track #2)
Night letters (SC, Todd track #1, opening track #3)
Supporting Caste (SC)
Duplicate Keys Icaro (SC, closing track #1)
The days you hate yourself (FS, Todd track #2, deep cut)
Zoochosis (VL, closing track #2)

But it’s still a work in process … and I wanted to include note to self and rattan came somewhere

@cucktard where you at?

That’s a proper list right there. Something I often think about is what if Todd played and sung John K propagandhi songs? I can only imagine what “anchorless” would sound like! Haha!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 20, 2022, 01:07:22 AM
Yeah that’s protest the hero’s version of the bangers embrace huh? (Confession time: I don’t really like protest the hero to be honest)
Good call on one-called organism, it’s not a bad song per se, but propagandhi and nofx were so over each other at that point it was kinda bound to happen, and Mike was hardly going to let them get away with rock for sustainable capitalism without a rebuttal. The Marxist brothers also references “eBay bidding on TETA on Soviet red vinyl” in the lyrics, but that’s not a direct diss track as far as I know!
Chris’ response on the old G7 podcast is kinda hilarious too!

I initially thought this big wig track was a jab at them, but it seems it was more like a jab at propgandhi fans who couldn’t understand or relate with their message(s), or at least I read that in an interview somewhere.
https://youtu.be/gSON7_q41Rc

Yeah man, I read interview with them talking about how it wasn’t intended to be a diss at propagandhi at all and how they played shows with them in the early days and were big fans and friends with the band. Later bigwig albums are straight fucking fire! This song is definitely in my top five favorite thrash metal/punk post hardcore songs ever written, such a fucking masterpiece!


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TpXcdMiPtao

Bigwig is another band that the lead singer is also the lead guitarist that can shred some. crazy fast guitar solos while singing. Got to see them play live back in ‘03, or ‘04 iirc, they were super fucking good live.

I’m not a huge protest the hero fan either, I like the album “fortress” and respect the fact that the guitarists are ridiculously talented. And they both Thor guitarists did write all the propagandhi guitar tablature books, but I’m not a big fan of the majority of their music, I like some of it, but not that much of it..
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 20, 2022, 08:45:58 PM
That song “owned and operated” is fucking super fucking hard to play on the guitar “the picking rhythm” during the chorus parts of the song (disarm, and put away your pride, one patriotic ego yet we struggle to survive) is so tight and has so much groove to it, and really fucking hard to play correctly too..
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on July 20, 2022, 09:02:33 PM
Unless, one day they decide to play “hate myth muscle etiquette” live, this is probably my favorite live performance of them right now

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=--BMNVwSYlQ
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 20, 2022, 09:31:27 PM
I'm on a comply/ resist trip at the moment actually! SHREDS!!!!

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Too hard to chose a fave live track(s) (because I love the old footage with John at gilman etc.)
but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH16PE-_Dlw
the longer/ louder intro on that is divine! “Lick my bag” hahahaha

and since you mentioned different members singing different songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e846wK8vo1s
Chris singing a Todd track is a nice switch up!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 11, 2022, 12:26:06 AM
@cucktard messaged me yesterday but a vinyl reissue of supporting caste is coming out and I’ve already copped a pre-order:
https://propagandhi.bandcamp.com/album/supporting-caste

Also, have a recent interview with them in a Japanese hardcore zine and they talk a lot about having a tonne of new songs and an album in the works!!!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 27, 2022, 08:51:36 PM
any of you gandhi heads cops this?
https://kingsroadmerch.com/propagandhi/product/23008/failed-states-lp-electric-blue
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: cucktard on November 29, 2022, 09:57:55 PM
Nope. I got the original in red
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 30, 2022, 07:25:07 PM
Nope. I got the original in red
lucky you! I have the remastered one on black but this one was just too good to pass up. Only 9 days left for the supporting caste reissue which is the real winner here, that thing is so hard to get on any vinyl these days…
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 21, 2022, 05:43:13 PM
Relevant:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cmb5jB3r1sv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 16, 2023, 08:42:16 PM
So I’m needing out with some people online at the moment and think I may have finally done a draft for my top 10 tracks (based on my silly criteria):

1. ‘Oka everywhere’ (IRBFB)
2. ‘Supporting Caste’ (SC)
3. ‘Showdown’ (HTCE, John track)
4. ‘Mate ka moris’ (TETA, opening track #1)
5. ‘Speculative fiction’ (PCL, opening track #2)
6. ‘Night letters’ (SC #2, Todd track, opening track #3)
7. ‘Nailing Descartes’ (LTMR)
8. ‘Rattan Cane’ (FS, Todd track #2)
9. ‘Adventures in Zoochosis’ (VL, closing track #1)
10. Duplicate Keys Icaro’ (FS #2, closing track #2)

Deep cut(s):
1. ‘Mutual Friends’ (IRBFB #2): live version from ‘Yep’ Cassette
3. ‘Letter of Resignation’ (John track, FYP Split 7”)
3. ‘Days you hate yourself’ (bonus (Todd #3) track from FS)

Honorable mentions: Negredo (VL, Todd track #4), Note to Self (FS, but I had too many openers already, Victory Lap (VL, again, too many openers)

What will I do with rock for sustainable capitalism though?
I can’t swap it for speculative fiction, so I’m kinda back to the drawing board… @JRF you still around?
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on May 18, 2023, 12:50:57 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsYEppnR3Bq/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

A sloppy “how to clean everything” 3 song medley
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on May 18, 2023, 10:51:12 AM
So I’m needing out with some people online at the moment and think I may have finally done a draft for my top 10 tracks (based on my silly criteria):

1. ‘Oka everywhere’ (IRBFB)
2. ‘Supporting Caste’ (SC)
3. ‘Showdown’ (HTCE, John track)
4. ‘Mate ka moris’ (TETA, opening track #1)
5. ‘Speculative fiction’ (PCL, opening track #2)
6. ‘Night letters’ (SC #2, Todd track, opening track #3)
7. ‘Nailing Descartes’ (LTMR)
8. ‘Rattan Cane’ (FS, Todd track #2)
9. ‘Adventures in Zoochosis’ (VL, closing track #1)
10. Duplicate Keys Icaro’ (FS #2, closing track #2)

Deep cut(s):
1. ‘Mutual Friends’ (IRBFB #2): live version from ‘Yep’ Cassette
3. ‘Letter of Resignation’ (John track, FYP Split 7”)
3. ‘Days you hate yourself’ (bonus (Todd #3) track from FS)

Honorable mentions: Negredo (VL, Todd track #4), Note to Self (FS, but I had too many openers already, Victory Lap (VL, again, too many openers)

What will I do with rock for sustainable capitalism though?
I can’t swap it for speculative fiction, so I’m kinda back to the drawing board… @JRF you still around?

Yeah, I’m around I just posted me playing a quick and sloppy “head,chest or foot/anti-manifesto/hate myth muscle etiquette” on guitar, a couple posts down in this thread, im setting up a new 8 string fanned fret baritone guitar that I just purchased for a smoking good deal. After I set up my new practice amp set up and the new 8 string I was gonna try and do another how to clean everything medley with “stick the flag”/“showdown/G.E.P/fuck machine short but downtimes on the 8 string (or if it sounds shitty down tuned I’ll play. It in standard. I might do a short less talk more rock medley too but that album is really basic to play so it really dosent sound too impressive or difficult to play but it might sound decent, hopefully the instagram link to the first medley I posted shows up in the link I posted.hopefully I can put together some ok propagandhi guitar medleys. Less talk and HTCE a lot easier to play the. I can try and throw in some Potemkin and supporting caste song but I never took the time to really learn many songs off any of the Albums after todays empire’s. But I can play “theflensing of sandor katze of supporting caste if I can find my guitar capo, it’s been a while since a played it but I’m sure I can figure out again, it’s a fun song to sing and play to and probably the easiest next to “less talk more rock” track and showdown
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 29, 2023, 08:26:28 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsYEppnR3Bq/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

A sloppy “how to clean everything” 3 song medley
as you said, just shows how bonkers it must be to sing/ play this at the same time :o
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 31, 2023, 08:13:06 PM
HTCE turned 30 today!
(Fuck I’m old)
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: JRF on June 24, 2023, 02:10:26 AM
HTCE turned 30 today!
(Fuck I’m old)

Chris Hannah’s play through review of HTCE was pretty hilarious!
Title: Re: The Official SLAP Propagandhi Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 24, 2023, 07:44:22 PM
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HTCE turned 30 today!
(Fuck I’m old)
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Chris Hannah’s play through review of HTCE was pretty hilarious!
and sorta predictable, anyway we all know he hates it so wouldn’t expect much less. They started playing nation states again so maybe we might get some anti-manifesto too at future gigs?
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Post by: JRF on June 27, 2023, 09:59:48 PM
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HTCE turned 30 today!
(Fuck I’m old)
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Chris Hannah’s play through review of HTCE was pretty hilarious!
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and sorta predictable, anyway we all know he hates it so wouldn’t expect much less. They started playing nation states again so maybe we might get some anti-manifesto too at future gigs?

I’d love to hear them play “hate myth muscle etiquette” but they never played it live before so it’s not gonna happen, they have been playing “homophobes are pissed cuz they can’t get laid” though which is pretty sick!
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 28, 2023, 12:33:45 AM
Yeah, hate myth is a no brainer but it never was in their sets much even in the early days. When I first saw them play in Australia with Todd they played showdown minus John’s part and also the fuck the border demo version.
I honestly be happy to just hear them play any songs these days, but really want to see note to self and supporting caste live … oh and night letters!
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Post by: JRF on June 29, 2023, 12:00:07 AM
Yeah, hate myth is a no brainer but it never was in their sets much even in the early days. When I first saw them play in Australia with Todd they played showdown minus John’s part and also the fuck the border demo version.
I honestly be happy to just hear them play any songs these days, but really want to see note to self and supporting caste live … oh and night letters!

I was actually lucky enough to be at this show, it was the first time I had really heard them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeLlQQQVsA4

And this show too, this show basically was what started me playing guitar after seeing them live this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2mZ9yTZ54M
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 29, 2023, 12:49:46 AM
Dayum @JRF yoingot to see them play Oka everywhere …
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Post by: JRF on June 29, 2023, 12:51:21 AM
Dayum @JRF yoingot to see them play Oka everywhere …

Just lucky to h have been born early and in the right place at the right time, I saw I-spy live twice too and that was fucking nuts!
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 29, 2023, 12:54:57 AM
Yeah I remember you mentioning that you saw ISPY too which is nuts! Propagandhi toured Australia twice in the 90s but I only saw them the second time which meant no John! The only thing sadder than that is the fact that I’ll probably never get to see the weakerthans live either :(
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 05, 2023, 07:20:54 PM
https://www.punknews.org/amp/80696/propagandhi-working-on-new-music
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 01, 2024, 05:01:41 PM
Most of you are probably aware, but the
‘Gandhi are currently in the process of recording (in Winnipeg it seems so no blasting room?). Wonder if we’ll see the new album in 2024…