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This is a obvious and shitty thing, if the olympics/Tokyo don’t recognize this, why would we allow to send people to skate and participate in this...
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It's Olympics "Rule 50" and it's not solely against BLM, it's against turning the Olympics into a political soap box.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1107491/beijing-2022-protests-lindsey-vonn
and other Rule 50 articles both for and against the rule.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/search?q=rule+50&sort=date
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Saying tokyo is banning this is misleading. it’s the olympic committee’s decision. the governing body of the olympics.
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yep, that's selective reporting and a baited headline to insight a reaction.
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The Olympics are trash and embarrassing for everyone involved. Japan should cancel them and save themselves the headache.
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Trying to avoid controversy is always a dumber move.
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The IOC is, without exaggeration, one of the single most corrupt bodies on earth, so it’s rich to see this coming from them.
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I wonder what would happen if every person who supported BLM boycotted the Olympics. Because without those athletes the IOC doesn't have a competitive product and would lose their sponsors. Athletes have more power in 2021 than they ever had and should band together to change these rules.
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My prediction for olympics is going to be like the oscars this year...epic fail ratings
The even added 4 or 5 virtual video game competition for video games popular in japan. They all about sponsorship dollars not whos really the best athletes in the world
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I don’t care how off he’s been lately, Bam Lyle Margera belongs on the circuit.
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It's an obvious point to prove, makes total sense
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The Olympics are trash and embarrassing for everyone involved. Japan should cancel them and save themselves the headache.
I heard that whoever backs out first (Olympic committee or Japan) has to pay a huge portion of the bill. I feel like Japan doesn't want the Olympics to happen at this point for many very obvious and logical reasons, but they don't want to be stuck paying for them.
Can anyone with a little more knowledge confirm/deny this?
Also yeah this headline is stupid and misleading clickbait bullshit
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The Olympics committee has been against using the Olympics as a political platform for a bit.
Like this famous moment from the 1968 Olympics wasn't well received by them
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The Olympics are trash and embarrassing for everyone involved. Japan should cancel them and save themselves the headache.
I heard that whoever backs out first (Olympic committee or Japan) has to pay a huge portion of the bill. I feel like Japan doesn't want the Olympics to happen at this point for many very obvious and logical reasons, but they don't want to be stuck paying for them.
Can anyone with a little more knowledge confirm/deny this?
Also yeah this headline is stupid and misleading clickbait bullshit
Supposedly they do but like this WaPo op-Ed says- who’s going to make them?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/05/05/japan-ioc-olympic-contract/%3foutputType=amp
It would probably mean Japan never gets another Olympics but at this point that’s a blessing for any country besides maybe the USA and then only when LA is the host.
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"The opinion that [sport] should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude."
The Olympics are hyper political and any attempt to ban certain forms of political speech is beyond lame and only comforting to those who are comfortable with the status quo.
To pretend the Olympics are is a sleight of hand that normalize all the shitty things about it.
When the Olympics bulldozes poor people's homes, uses trafficked labor, bankrupts cities, etc. it is certainly political. When the IOC is bribed it is political. When nations and citizens use their medal count to represent the superiority of their nation (and its political system, its economic system, etc.) it is political. When countries don't go to the Olympics (1980/84) it is political. When they show up it is political (1936 Nazi Olympics). How each sponsoring company treats its employees and the environment makes it political. The opening and closing ceremonies are overtly political.
“After I came home from the 1936 Olympics with my four medals, it became increasingly apparent that everyone was going to slap me on the back, want to shake my hand or have me up to their suite. But no one was going to offer me a job.”
—Jesse Owens, 1972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUnesbnNqDA
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Big TRASH.
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Big ups to Cathy Freeman for 'making it political'
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For as long as I've watched them in my lifetime the Olympics have always been shitty background noise television to pass out at 3pm to.
There are studies that show a massive decline in sports viewership over the past years, and one of the reasons they attribute is the insertion of politics into sports. With viewership down overall for everything, this isnt really that shocking from a financial standpoint given the ad dollars they have to scrounge for
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For as long as I've watched them in my lifetime the Olympics have always been shitty background noise television to pass out at 3pm to.
There are studies that show a massive decline in sports viewership over the past years, and one of the reasons they attribute is the insertion of politics into sports. With viewership down overall for everything, this isnt really that shocking from a financial standpoint given the ad dollars they have to scrounge for
If it's true that "insertion of politics into sports" really led to decreased viewership, it's only because there were other political messages besides the ones the swine who quit watching sports because it became "too political" had become comfortable with. Pretty absurd to believe sports hadn't already been thoroughly politicized, with fighter jet flyovers and tributes to the military/veterans/whatever and assorted other nationalist trash--sorry, "patriotism"--featured all over the place. Kind of says a bunch when the smallest degree of visible pushback on the bullshit reactionary politics of professional sports makes sports fans quit watching.
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For as long as I've watched them in my lifetime the Olympics have always been shitty background noise television to pass out at 3pm to.
There are studies that show a massive decline in sports viewership over the past years, and one of the reasons they attribute is the insertion of politics into sports. With viewership down overall for everything, this isnt really that shocking from a financial standpoint given the ad dollars they have to scrounge for
I know viewership is down across the board, but I just assumed it was because everyone in the developed world is now drowning in entertainment options. Can you point me to the study that attributes this to the political messaging of sports?
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I admit I got sick of hearing that stupid fucking God Bless America song at games but I think they got the hint and stopped foisting it on us
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I’m glad Tokyo is banning BLM at the Olympics. You shouldn’t be promoting a racial hate group at a sporting event. They would do the same if the KKK tried to promote themselves in the games.
grandpa who let you on the computer
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Lol, don’t people realize that banning stuff like this only brings more attention to it. If USA men’s basketball drops out of the Olympics over this you just gave BLM global attention.
Also, aren’t the most badass Olympic moments the ones with heavy political undertones? Like USA vs USSR hockey, or how Jesse Owens owned Hitler, or when all those war torn countries got together to make their own team?
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Nike gonna get make sure everyone acts right
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For as long as I've watched them in my lifetime the Olympics have always been shitty background noise television to pass out at 3pm to.
There are studies that show a massive decline in sports viewership over the past years, and one of the reasons they attribute is the insertion of politics into sports. With viewership down overall for everything, this isnt really that shocking from a financial standpoint given the ad dollars they have to scrounge for
If it's true that "insertion of politics into sports" really led to decreased viewership, it's only because there were other political messages besides the ones the swine who quit watching sports because it became "too political" had become comfortable with. Pretty absurd to believe sports hadn't already been thoroughly politicized, with fighter jet flyovers and tributes to the military/veterans/whatever and assorted other nationalist trash--sorry, "patriotism"--featured all over the place. Kind of says a bunch when the smallest degree of visible pushback on the bullshit reactionary politics of professional sports makes sports fans quit watching.
But that is the main point of team sports, no?
To garner a super simplistic sense of identity from what teams you like, and likewise follow groupthink on which teams to hate.
While it’s a celebration of athleticism, it’s a Trojan horse for creating consumed group identities, suspension of critical thinking, and emotional training for the same ideas on a national-scale.
It is training for unthinking patriotism disguised as entertainment .
I learned that when I was 7 or 8, I cried when my favorite hockey team lost a playoff. The next day I felt really weird for getting so upset about something I literally had zero connection to. I lost all interest in spectator sports, and had a big distrust of team sport mentality from that day.
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Wonder what brink has to say on this and US Olympic Skateboarding
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i’m watching dame lillard pull up from the logo and i’m like damn this is training for patriotism disguised as entertainment on a national scale
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For as long as I've watched them in my lifetime the Olympics have always been shitty background noise television to pass out at 3pm to.
There are studies that show a massive decline in sports viewership over the past years, and one of the reasons they attribute is the insertion of politics into sports. With viewership down overall for everything, this isnt really that shocking from a financial standpoint given the ad dollars they have to scrounge for
I don’t buy this for a second. Sure you had a lot of mouthbreathers get faux upset around the kneeling and BLM stuff but if sports are dropping in ratings it’s because the act of sport is secondary to shoving advertising down people’s throats and squeezing every cent out of it.
The price of games to attend, the absurd broadcast deals and streaming options, the dragging out of game lengths (MLB is struggling to make the game faster in a variety of ways) and the lack of focus on junior sport development means people have just switched off (or are watching highlights elsewhere).
Let’s not also forget that e-sports is absolutely booming and it’s not because they don’t do politics.
Blaming politics for a drop in sports ratings is like blaming gun violence on video games. It sounds nice but its ignoring dozens of other massive issues for one simplistic answer.
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i’m watching dame lillard pull up from the logo and i’m like damn this is training for patriotism disguised as entertainment on a national scale
He's a different breed of killer. That series /game winner on Paul George a few seasons gets me hard to this day
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Marxist BLM sucks.
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Marxist BLM sucks.
Big words=big man
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Marxist BLM sucks.
So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
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There might be a non marxist BLM movement but i doubt it. Nice try commie !
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I’ve hated team sports ever since I was forced to play soccer and rugby in high school and got beat up by jocks when we were playing and the asshole macho coach looked away. “Boys will be boys” mentality, fuck that shit. Sticking one slogan to a bunch of people that watch and play team sports is an easy cope out but most of I’ve interacted with were really toxic about it. So yeah team sports in a competitive setting is dog poop.
I also never really got the hype around the Olympics and never managed to watch longer than 10 minutes. The only interesting thing about it is how much fuckery and corruption is involved, and how fucked up the host country is after the event is over, hah.
So yeah not surprising, and whoever brought the 1968 black fist controversy, big shoutout!
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Marxist BLM sucks.
I’m making a wild guess here, but I’m gonna wager you’re an idiot
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Their choice. I have no problem with it. Watching sports on TV is an escape from real life problems for most people. Upset about the banning of politic statements at the Olympics? Don't watch or don't compete. Simple as that.
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So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
Not sure exactly where you're going with this, but It's widely recognized that the leaders of BLM are trained Marxists and their web pages and personal statements bear that out.. There was a big scandal about this a month ago because one of the leaders bought a bunch of houses, and then conservatives were pointing out the irony of a Marxist needing multiple real estate holdings.
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So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
Not sure exactly where you're going with this, but It's widely recognized that the leaders of BLM are trained Marxists and their web pages and personal statements bear that out.. There was a big scandal about this a month ago because one of the leaders bought a bunch of houses, and then conservatives were pointing out the irony of a Marxist needing multiple real estate holdings.
Those darn Marxist boot camps trying to take our Walmarts and lemonade stands.
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So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
Not sure exactly where you're going with this, but It's widely recognized that the leaders of BLM are trained Marxists and their web pages and personal statements bear that out.. There was a big scandal about this a month ago because one of the leaders bought a bunch of houses, and then conservatives were pointing out the irony of a Marxist needing multiple real estate holdings.
Please send me the link to the scandal. It sounds interesting.
As for your wording, it sounds a bit weird. ‘Trained’ Marxists. Like they went to Marxist summer camp or something. Like it’s a profession you train for.
It kind of betrays your attitude.
Because on the left, where people love to differentiate themselves based on their political leanings, hardly anyone I know calls themselves a ‘Marxist’.
What does that word mean to you? Someone who has read Das Kapital? A Communist? A socialist? Anyone vaguely left of Tucker Carlson?
There might be a non marxist BLM movement but i doubt it. Nice try commie !
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Haven't the Olympics never allowed any type of political statement to be made? It makes sense, there's 196 countries competing, all with their own social issues and agendas to push. If you allowed even one voice the ability to express politically, you'd no longer be an apolitical event organizer dealing with the complexity of international relations on a global scale. Other countries or political groups would also wish to express their views during the games, and if you don't grant that you'd risk losing one of the fair few global events that unites humanity together.
I support BLM and have attended marches, but for the Olympics I understand why they wont allow it. It's for the same reason that even during war, there's such a thing as Olympic truce where for the duration of the games countries are expected to remain neutral. The Olympics has to be a neutral apolitical event, and unfortunately that means not allowing the expression of issues for positive societal change, not just the negative ones.
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Marxist BLM sucks.
big fightin words for a guy who named himself after the biggest wimp in the nhl
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Hows it fighting words ? More like You seem triggered by the truth behind it . :)
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For as long as I've watched them in my lifetime the Olympics have always been shitty background noise television to pass out at 3pm to.
There are studies that show a massive decline in sports viewership over the past years, and one of the reasons they attribute is the insertion of politics into sports. With viewership down overall for everything, this isnt really that shocking from a financial standpoint given the ad dollars they have to scrounge for
I know viewership is down across the board, but I just assumed it was because everyone in the developed world is now drowning in entertainment options. Can you point me to the study that attributes this to the political messaging of sports?
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-ratings-decline-poll-shows-34-watched-less-sports-over-social-justice-messages-1579886
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article246514675.html
https://theharrispoll.com/poll-38-of-sports-fans-say-nba-is-too-political-as-reason-they-are-watching-less/
I'm not saying this is irrefutable evidence or the only reason, but there's a handful of articles suggesting what seems like common sense. These links came from a two minute google search of "decline sports viewership politics"
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Hows it fighting words ? More like You seem triggered by the truth behind it . :)
how does it feel to have no worldview beyond “did i trigger u?!” does it help w/ the pain inside at being another painfully average drone
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The IOC is, without exaggeration, one of the single most corrupt bodies on earth, so it’s rich to see this coming from them.
FIFA is probably worse.
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Trying to avoid controversy is always a dumber move.
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So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
Not sure exactly where you're going with this, but It's widely recognized that the leaders of BLM are trained Marxists and their web pages and personal statements bear that out.. There was a big scandal about this a month ago because one of the leaders bought a bunch of houses, and then conservatives were pointing out the irony of a Marxist needing multiple real estate holdings.
Naturally, you won’t be opposed to citing a source or two so that other readers can evaluate the trustworthiness of the media outlets you allude to.
Or, in short: post some links fuccboi (if you please.)
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I’ve hated team sports ever since I was forced to play soccer and rugby in high school
I didn’t realize this happened to other people.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0ffd9bba-e92d-4479-acab-d960435c238a (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0ffd9bba-e92d-4479-acab-d960435c238a)
So this is what it feels like when doves cry.
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Here’s co-founder Patrisse Cullors saying in her own words that she and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza are trained Marxists
https://youtu.be/kCghDx5qN4s?t=420
New York Post broke the story initially:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/
And here’s a follow up with her response:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/16/blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-defends-real-estate-holdings
Edit: Who kooked me for posting links? I made no value judgment or comment on any of this stuff.
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and ur sayin this like its a bad thing
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So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
Not sure exactly where you're going with this, but It's widely recognized that the leaders of BLM are trained Marxists and their web pages and personal statements bear that out.. There was a big scandal about this a month ago because one of the leaders bought a bunch of houses, and then conservatives were pointing out the irony of a Marxist needing multiple real estate holdings.
Or, in short: post some links fuccboi (if you please.)
So I did some googling, and what do you know.
I’ll be the first to admit that Jackoffnun was correct.
Yes, a BLM leader has purchased multiple properties, and yes, she has referred to herself as a “trained Marxist”
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/blm-patrisse-cullors-california-home-b1831290.html%3famp
Kind of hypocritical, yes. I agree. But I also can understand someone who grew up in poverty wanting to escape it. It doesn’t seem that she used any BLM money, just from book deals and whatnot.
So, she’s a rich Marxist. A bit hypocritical, yup. But any person living under capitalism who wants something different yet is forced to participate in capitalism is also ‘hypocritical’, but understandably so, as there are few options to live outside.
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Patrisse addressed the controversy in a recent interview
https://youtu.be/kaUNTKeY0qc
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So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
That's what I was wondering. I haven't really seen any NBA jersey's with slogans like:
“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”
"Workingmen of all countries unite!"
“The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling class.”
"Own the means of production!"
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I love when people try and call out the "managers" of a social movement. Patrisse cashed out. I would consider that hypocritical and probably an indictment of her character personally but certainly not a reason to discredit an entire social movement that did not begin with her and the current "leaders" of BLM. BLM is just a continuation of the struggle of the descendents of chattel slavery that has never stopped since reconstruction.
Also, John Carlos and Tommy Smith were suspended for their protest. It doesn't and shouldn't matter what the IOC says. If you feel personally compelled to protest, then you should do it
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So, is there a non-Marxist version of BLM?
Or are you saying BLM is Marxist?
Or is Marxist just a slur so overused and divorced from its original meaning akin to ‘commie’, ‘cuck’, ‘libtard’, or ‘leftist’?
Not sure exactly where you're going with this, but It's widely recognized that the leaders of BLM are trained Marxists and their web pages and personal statements bear that out.. There was a big scandal about this a month ago because one of the leaders bought a bunch of houses, and then conservatives were pointing out the irony of a Marxist needing multiple real estate holdings.
Or, in short: post some links fuccboi (if you please.)
So I did some googling, and what do you know.
I’ll be the first to admit that Jackoffnun was correct.
Yes, a BLM leader has purchased multiple properties, and yes, she has referred to herself as a “trained Marxist”
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/blm-patrisse-cullors-california-home-b1831290.html%3famp
Kind of hypocritical, yes. I agree. But I also can understand someone who grew up in poverty wanting to escape it. It doesn’t seem that she used any BLM money, just from book deals and whatnot.
So, she’s a rich Marxist. A bit hypocritical, yup. But any person living under capitalism who wants something different yet is forced to participate in capitalism is also ‘hypocritical’, but understandably so, as there are few options to live outside.
I agree, I guess... From that strict standart Marx wasn't even really Marxist since he defintely wasn't working class. Also his collaborator and supporter Friedrich Engels definitely wouldn't have been Marxist since he had inherited factories.
To me Marxism is a philosophy and a theory of society and economics. I think everyone could gain something from reading Marx. He's also had a huge influence on modern Macro economics even on scientists you would never associate with Marxism. A french school of marxist economics (regulation theory) actually acuarately predicted the finacial crisis of 2008.
It is pretty weak that Marxism is so demonized in the US, while most people have no clue about the actual ideas. Marxism is always simply equated with soviet communism. It is seen at the same time as extremely dangerous and as something that can never work. Jordan Petersen for example, the popular youtuber and university Professor, tried to have a debate on Marxism, while having no clue about what Marxism actually is.
I consider myself a Marxist in that I find it to be the best framework for understanding modern society. I don't consider myself a communist since I find communist ideology naive. I don't want a dicatorship of the proletariate and I am scared of the state appartus that has so far always been the result of communist revolutions.
I can definitely recommend getting into some Marx, though.
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and ur sayin this like its a bad thing
It's because conservatives/republicans are running out of boogie men to scare their supporters. Right now it's China and Marxism/Socialism.
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For as long as I've watched them in my lifetime the Olympics have always been shitty background noise television to pass out at 3pm to.
There are studies that show a massive decline in sports viewership over the past years, and one of the reasons they attribute is the insertion of politics into sports. With viewership down overall for everything, this isnt really that shocking from a financial standpoint given the ad dollars they have to scrounge for
I know viewership is down across the board, but I just assumed it was because everyone in the developed world is now drowning in entertainment options. Can you point me to the study that attributes this to the political messaging of sports?
https://www.newsweek.com/nba-ratings-decline-poll-shows-34-watched-less-sports-over-social-justice-messages-1579886
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article246514675.html
https://theharrispoll.com/poll-38-of-sports-fans-say-nba-is-too-political-as-reason-they-are-watching-less/
I'm not saying this is irrefutable evidence or the only reason, but there's a handful of articles suggesting what seems like common sense. These links came from a two minute google search of "decline sports viewership politics"
All this says is some groups of people (mostly white conservative dudes) were upset by certain political messages not political messages in general. And some people were more likely to watch the NBA (black Americans) and some it didn't really matter (some Democrats were bummed some were more likely to watch only resulting in a slight loss).
They didn't stop watching because national anthem is played before each game North Korea style instead they're probably upset they have to look at politics that don't reflect their own. I imagine these same people who are turned off by "political messages" were the same ones that lost their minds when the NBA wasn't anti-China in it's politics (https://www.npr.org/2019/10/24/773025664/pence-chides-nba-nike-for-losing-their-voices-on-china).
I think of Pat Tillman dude was loved for having the right political view (war!) but I don't think he would have been loved by football fans for his later beliefs that the war is illegal and Chomsky is awesome.
Supporting war, being ultra nationalistic, keeping gay dudes out of sight, promoting baby Jesus every other sentence, getting tax money for the stadium, etc. is all political, but it's missed by many cause it is what they view as normal or the right message.
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Trying to avoid controversy is always a dumber move.
Keeping their head in the sand about politics worked so well in the past. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre
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You thirsty ass right wing goons are so out of it. 1.4 mil for a Malibu home means that home isn't really shit. The area I live in is quasi hood and a run down house on my street that would need a lot of work was selling for 800k 10 years ago. LA real estate prices are legendarily bad. I looked at the pictures the NY Post article ran -- it's cute but it's tiny especially for the area. So that means that out of that 3.2 mil spree, she bought a house for 1.4 leaving 1.8 mil for, as the article states, 3 more LA houses. The average price for those homes has gotta be 600k, give or take a few hundred thou one way or the other. Again, those prices tell me that the remaining homes she bought were also just OK.
This is starting to feel like the Cory Kennedy Vashon Dream expansion pack all over again.
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She's a co-founder of BLM, not a "leader" or a "manager." Also, based on the clip from the Marc Lamont Hill show (he said the critique came from the left) and the NY Post reporting, it is not just rightwingers that have an issue.
From the post article:
Hawk Newsome, the head of Black Lives Matter Greater New York City, which is not affiliated with Khan-Cullors’ Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, called for “an independent investigation” to find out how the global network spends its money.
“If you go around calling yourself a socialist, you have to ask how much of her own personal money is going to charitable causes,” he said. “It’s really sad because it makes people doubt the validity of the movement and overlook the fact that it’s the people that carry this movement.”
Newsome said, “We need black firms and black accountants to go in there and find out where the money is going.”
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I agree with all that.
And my takeaway is “be wary of anyone who calls themselves a ‘trained Marxist’”
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Also wanna say really excellent redirection of the conversation. We are no longer talking about whether or not the Olympics is blowing it by not allowing BLM related speech and are now talking about if it's cool that "trained Marxists" participate in the capitalist structure they were born into.
For the record, NY Post is owned by the Murdochs and is about as unbiased as Fox News. As far as that Youtube clip, even after doing a web search I don't know who Qing Dynasty News is, but I do know that the news that they have uploaded to that account is all conservatively slanted and that particular video from early last month had 33 total views. If it walks and talks like a disinfo account...
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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.
I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.
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fuck the olympics. no one should support that shit. all they do is demand millions from city's to build up a ton of infrastructure that is ALWAYS abandoned. They do a ton of extra policing too and sweep out all the undesirables from nearby.
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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.
I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.
the problem is bringing to light things that are unfavorable to the narrative.
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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.
I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.
I wouldn‘t cook you. But: why do you care so much if someone is a trained Marxist? Or if a trained Marxist owns capital or real estate? Do you know what Marxism is or are you only using it as a word to discredit the person and the cause?
The things you write may be 100 percent correct, but they are still Fox News style activism. You are trying to discredit a political movement, by trying to prove that the leaders are 1. dangerous, because Marxist=dangerous radical 2. they are hypocrites, because according to your standards they are not Marxist enough.
If you dislike BLM, why don’t you Engage with its ideas and reason against those?
By the way I think it is good news the leaders have read some Marx. To me it shows they may be able to grasp issues of inequality and economic discrimination on a deeper level.
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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.
I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.
I wouldn‘t cook you. But: why do you care so much if someone is a trained Marxist? Or if a trained Marxist owns capital or real estate? Do you know what Marxism is or are you only using it as a word to discredit the person and the cause?
The things you write may be 100 percent correct, but they are still Fox News style activism. You are trying to discredit a political movement, by trying to prove that the leaders are 1. dangerous, because Marxist=dangerous radical 2. they are hypocrites, because according to your standards they are not Marxist enough.
If you dislike BLM, why don’t you Engage with its ideas and reason against those?
By the way I think it is good news the leaders have read some Marx. To me it shows they may be able to grasp issues of inequality and economic discrimination on a deeper level.
I actually agree with jakeumms that we should let the discussion return to the IOC's ruling. As far as I can tell BLM has done a great job getting their message out already and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask the athletes to keep the olympics free of politically related clothing and protests.
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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.
I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.
I wouldn‘t cook you. But: why do you care so much if someone is a trained Marxist? Or if a trained Marxist owns capital or real estate? Do you know what Marxism is or are you only using it as a word to discredit the person and the cause?
The things you write may be 100 percent correct, but they are still Fox News style activism. You are trying to discredit a political movement, by trying to prove that the leaders are 1. dangerous, because Marxist=dangerous radical 2. they are hypocrites, because according to your standards they are not Marxist enough.
If you dislike BLM, why don’t you Engage with its ideas and reason against those?
By the way I think it is good news the leaders have read some Marx. To me it shows they may be able to grasp issues of inequality and economic discrimination on a deeper level.
I actually agree with jakeumms that we should let the discussion return to the IOC's ruling. As far as I can tell BLM has done a great job getting their message out already and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask the athletes to keep the olympics free of politically related clothing and protests.
I agree! Fuck the olympics! I hope athletes will find a way to do it anyways. Should be difficult to completely shut out free speech during live broadcasts.
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Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.
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I'm sorry but i really don't care if Patrisse says she's "a trained Marxist" and owns a lot of real estate. If she wants to become a landlord or do whatever she wants to do with the property, then who cares. It has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of a movement, not an organization. Patrisse should be called out, because what she did is super sketchy. Anyone who uses a social movement to siphon off money and cash out is pretty morally bankrupt. But she didn't "start" the struggle of black Americans against oppression. She's just a current figure, albeit a fraudulent one, in the long history of fighting this country's white supremacy
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Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.
Just call me a racist. That's clearly the implication you're making. But if your argument is that my posts on here citing factually correct information about Patrisse Cullors is trying to undermine the validity of words then I think you've got a pretty weak case.
Like I said, I think we'd be better served at this point to return to the original topic.
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Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.
Just call me a racist. That's clearly the implication you're making. But if your argument is that my posts on here citing factually correct information about Patrisse Cullors is trying to undermine the validity of words then I think you've got a pretty weak case.
Like I said, I think we'd be better served at this point to return to the original topic.
okay. to be clear, i think unequivocally you’re a racist. i think anyone looking to undermine a racial equality movement for any reason is a racist. that seems fairly obvious to me. i would just hope that you have a shred of decency somewhere within you to figure out why the idea of black lives mattering upsets you so deeply. if your issue was someone using a social movement for personal gain, especially nefarious personal gain, i would be totally on board with you. that’s clearly not the case. i hope you look deep down and figure out why you think the lives of black people don’t matter. racism is an vital thing to confront in yourself. i really hope you do it.
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Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.
Just call me a racist. That's clearly the implication you're making. But if your argument is that my posts on here citing factually correct information about Patrisse Cullors is trying to undermine the validity of words then I think you've got a pretty weak case.
Like I said, I think we'd be better served at this point to return to the original topic.
When did I say the lives of black people don't matter? You've jumped to your own conclusions and are now arguing on behalf of your logical leap.
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Congrats you turned this thread in a instagram comment section
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I'm fine with no organized political messaging in sports. There's like 200 countries so if everyone starts bringing politics into it it'll get real messy. Would also quickly turn into athletes getting payed, pressured or forced to promote some political agenda they might not even care about. If you're passionate enough about a cause then shout it out in the finals on live TV and take the fine
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Congrats you turned this thread in a instagram comment section
I've said multiple times we should return to the topic at hand and I'll say it a third time now. I think Hevonen makes some great points and agree with him.
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I'm fine with no organized political messaging in sports. There's like 200 countries so if everyone starts bringing politics into it it'll get real messy. Would also quickly turn into athletes getting payed, pressured or forced to promote some political agenda they might not even care about. If you're passionate enough about a cause then shout it out in the finals on live TV and take the fine
The problem is that large sporting events are always used for political means. For example The host countries in the past few years have very much used the Olympic Games to improve their image and to downplay political problems. Remember the games in China? Remember the Sochi winter games? The Olympic Games in Nazi Germany?
There are a lot of codes an rules in place already for a lot of countries national teams. Iran for example does not acknowledge Israel. Since for them Israel is not a state they don‘t let their athletes compete against Israelis. If a matchup is about to happen in Judo or wrestling for example their athletes have to avoid it by losing the previous match on purpose or by dropping out.
I am also pretty sure it is not possible to be openly gay as a member of the Russian team.
If the US forbids its team members to talk about issues of race isn‘t that also deeply political?
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IOC did not ban BLM, it was never allowed. Political messages have never been allowed. This isn't something new and the majority of people complaining about this don't even remember the Black Power fist at the '68 Olympics.
I am a Winter Olympic kind of guy but I frankly couldn't care less about them not allowing BLM or knees to be taken. It's just drawing eye rolls at this point. Focus on sports.
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Leave it to the MSM to fuck a story up just to turn it into clickbait...
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Fuck Tokyo and the Olympics no ones gonna watch that shit
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I'm fine with no organized political messaging in sports. There's like 200 countries so if everyone starts bringing politics into it it'll get real messy. Would also quickly turn into athletes getting payed, pressured or forced to promote some political agenda they might not even care about. If you're passionate enough about a cause then shout it out in the finals on live TV and take the fine
The problem is that large sporting events are always used for political means. For example The host countries in the past few years have very much used the Olympic Games to improve their image and to downplay political problems. Remember the games in China? Remember the Sochi winter games? The Olympic Games in Nazi Germany?
There are a lot of codes an rules in place already for a lot of countries national teams. Iran for example does not acknowledge Israel. Since for them Israel is not a state they don‘t let their athletes compete against Israelis. If a matchup is about to happen in Judo or wrestling for example their athletes have to avoid it by losing the previous match on purpose or by dropping out.
I am also pretty sure it is not possible to be openly gay as a member of the Russian team.
If the US forbids its team members to talk about issues of race isn‘t that also deeply political?
Great points you made here, was going to say the same about the Russian and 1936 Olympics.
The Olympics have a tradition of 'staying out of politics' forever, yet let themselves be hijacked by regimes and oppressive states.
One thing that's dope about the Olympics is that athletes from any country and backgrounds can get together and compete peacefully and see who's best at sports. Until the US whoops everyone at basketball!
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^^as a skateboarder there is nothing I enjoy more than competition, seeing who is the best at winning at sport, and performing for people who don't know how to do the activity they're watching.
Most Japanese citizens don't want the stupid ass Olympics this year. The IOC needs to disband and they need to put this whole event in the sky.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/10/tokyo-olympics-poll-shows-60-of-japanese-people-want-games-cancelled
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Doctors aren't backing it either.
Cancel The Olympics, Says Tokyo Doctors Association https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/05/18/997864248/cancel-the-olympics-says-tokyo-doctors-association?sc=18&f=1001