contemplating on getting the Thunder 161 hollows for 9.25 eggball shape decks. Currently hv 151 team hollows & 149ti.
I’ve been skating Thunders since last fall and thought I liked them pretty well, until I stepped on my cruiser for the first time in months that has Indy’s on it and realized I really do not like the way they turn compared to Indys. Realized the bushings were getting fucked and replaced them with bones mediums but didn’t help as much as I wanted, so now I’m about to try Indy 88 Soft bushings and see if that does it.
Trucks are totally fine though so I’m going to keep trying to fine tune them until I like them, but tempted to bail on them early.
Expand QuoteI’ve been skating Thunders since last fall and thought I liked them pretty well, until I stepped on my cruiser for the first time in months that has Indy’s on it and realized I really do not like the way they turn compared to Indys. Realized the bushings were getting fucked and replaced them with bones mediums but didn’t help as much as I wanted, so now I’m about to try Indy 88 Soft bushings and see if that does it.
Trucks are totally fine though so I’m going to keep trying to fine tune them until I like them, but tempted to bail on them early.[close]
thunders turn better than Indys when u put 1/8 risers on them (and they become the same height too)
I have some Thunder 147 hollow lights and Real 3 ply risers. I'm currently running the standard issue bushings but I'm definitely going to go the @Xen route and find the best Riptide bushing option to make the turn a bit more surfy.
(https://i.imgur.com/WPgYWja.jpg?1)
With 55/56mm wheels I wouldn’t touch thunders, with or without risers the pinch would be too fast for me.
Cast or forged I can’t go past 50mm on thunders for as loose as I like my trucks. Forged Indys I can skirt buy with 52s.
Also, if I wanted a tall Thunder I’d just ride Tensor ATGs on 14.3x or bigger WB and not worry about wheelbite or baseplate issues (if you have them) as they are a surfy thunder.
I figured since there were so many specific truck threads and various Thunder topics sprinkled throughout a few different threads we should have a spot for just Thunders. So post truck setups, turning advice, to riser or not to riser, love, hate, and that baseplate “problem” lol, here.
I’ll go first. I’m currently riding Thunder Shane O’Neil Commodore Lights in 149 on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase and 54 mm Classic shape F4. Kingpins at stock setting with original bushings and wax in the pivot cups. (https://i.ibb.co/k5Jhrhp/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5Jhrhp)(https://i.ibb.co/DYzZsbw/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DYzZsbw)
I ride the team 148s with the 95a aftermarket bushings (Thunder as well). The stock bushings are pretty shit and blow out somehwat quickly. I also got the Real wooden risers and love the fact that I have a hi truck now. I ride my shit medium loose and they work great for me. Love Thunders
Usually 54s without the risers but I went up to 55s on this recent set up, but added the risers.Expand QuoteI ride the team 148s with the 95a aftermarket bushings (Thunder as well). The stock bushings are pretty shit and blow out somehwat quickly. I also got the Real wooden risers and love the fact that I have a hi truck now. I ride my shit medium loose and they work great for me. Love Thunders[close]
what wheel size do u skate?
Expand QuoteI figured since there were so many specific truck threads and various Thunder topics sprinkled throughout a few different threads we should have a spot for just Thunders. So post truck setups, turning advice, to riser or not to riser, love, hate, and that baseplate “problem” lol, here.
I’ll go first. I’m currently riding Thunder Shane O’Neil Commodore Lights in 149 on a Real 8.25 with 14.38 wheelbase and 54 mm Classic shape F4. Kingpins at stock setting with original bushings and wax in the pivot cups. (https://i.ibb.co/k5Jhrhp/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5Jhrhp)(https://i.ibb.co/DYzZsbw/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DYzZsbw)[close]
how the FUCK are you riding 54mm wheels on thunder lights
Expand Quotecontemplating on getting the Thunder 161 hollows for 9.25 eggball shape decks. Currently hv 151 team hollows & 149ti.[close]
Check the taper after the trucks if you can, on my 9" egg I had to drop down from thunder 161s to 159 (149s would work too). With it being 9.25" you might get away with no significant poking out of the axles.
Dude the old 149s were soooooo good. Prefer them over the new ones, even if the wheelbite was worse lol. They just felt better at 49mm.
This thread makes me want to put Thunders back on.
I'm still carrying my lockdown extra weight so they wheelbite too easily with the stock bushings but I like their height so I didn't want to put risers... I might try them again with Thunder 94a or 95a bushings... or I may have some Bones hard somewhere...
I hear you, that's exactly why I switched to 144 in the first place, I always found it easier and smoother to roll away with looser trucks, speed and momentum just bring you around if you don't land perfectly. I think I'll stick to them for now.Expand QuoteThis thread makes me want to put Thunders back on.
I'm still carrying my lockdown extra weight so they wheelbite too easily with the stock bushings but I like their height so I didn't want to put risers... I might try them again with Thunder 94a or 95a bushings... or I may have some Bones hard somewhere...[close]
Heh opposite here, I just put my 144s back on after getting pitched every time rolling away fakie on shit I was working on…
I guess I’m just too heavy (even if it’s athletic weight), like my trucks too loose AND most importantly, a sketchy style (imagine an Evan Smith style but without the talent)…combined with thunders is wheebite city; with Ace or Indy I get a little more play as the hanger moves in instead of insta pinch and pitch.
I had a decent run with a polar and thunders due to wheel wells and ~50mm wheels :)
My 149s baseplate scrapes on tailslides as you can see from the photo, thats with 55mm conical fulls.
I also dont really get wheelbite they just rub and eventually burn their own wheel wells into my deck so it all works out, I find that if I skate a skinny wheel I experience a proper bite a lot more frequently though.
(https://i.ibb.co/P6DWyf5/thumbnail-IMG-20210823-133016.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6WXtSf4)
Expand QuoteDude the old 149s were soooooo good. Prefer them over the new ones, even if the wheelbite was worse lol. They just felt better at 49mm.[close]
Right! If only they would make those again and in 148 and 147 and call them the 149er/whatever size lo
I remember first trying them and man they were solid
Use to be able to find a few on eBay not sure anymore but man, everytime I go back and watch that toy machine grip it and rip it with Johnny Layton I get so hyped on my thunders and he was riding those old 149ers in the video
how do you fine folk deal with the shit thunder stock bushings, does it get better somehow as the top bushing crumbles and gives up?
how do you fine folk deal with the shit thunder stock bushings, does it get better somehow as the top bushing crumbles and gives up?
Which RipTides did you use? I checked them out when I ordered some pivot cups but got overwhelmed by the options and just ordered the cups.Expand QuoteMy 149s baseplate scrapes on tailslides as you can see from the photo, thats with 55mm conical fulls.
I also dont really get wheelbite they just rub and eventually burn their own wheel wells into my deck so it all works out, I find that if I skate a skinny wheel I experience a proper bite a lot more frequently though.
(https://i.ibb.co/P6DWyf5/thumbnail-IMG-20210823-133016.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6WXtSf4)[close]
I actually have a notch in my baseplate from noseslides on my Thunders. I was worried about them sliding, but by god they work fine.
Also got some RipTides (barrel bottom, conical top) and so far I like how they feel.
how do you fine folk deal with the shit thunder stock bushings, does it get better somehow as the top bushing crumbles and gives up?I dont think the stock bushing are that bad, I havent had any cracking and they perform ok, but I wanted to finetune my setup a little bit so today I replaced the top bushing with a Venom 85a street cone and it feels so much better! Its still stable but way more responsive and surfy. I like it a lot so far.
It's happening
(https://i.ibb.co/YBZ3Y0W/Bildschirmfoto-2021-09-18-um-14-21-58.png) (https://ibb.co/YBZ3Y0W)
Didn't see that the Ti's on socal's site but skate wearhouse has them in stock. Havven't seen any since 2018/19 so snap em up if you're still looking.
Thunders have no problem in transition at all. In fact 151a feel great with risers in a big bowl.
I never said Thunders weren't good for transition,
Should have waited a day. They're $10 more on socal skateshop. Oh well, I've always had great experience and customer service from them so I don't mind really
Someone recently told me that Thunders have negative camber (see image). Anyone else have more info?
(https://innovationdiscoveries.space/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/What-is-Camber-Positive-vs-Negative-Camber-Effects-300x169.jpg)
Expand QuoteI never said Thunders weren't good for transition,[close]
You said “designed a strictly for street skating.” The dudes that designed Thunder geometry did not have strictly street in mind, rather a quick initial turn.
The only person forcing you into truck monogamy is yourself.
I don't see an advantage to "quick turns" on vert but I do enjoy deep, surfy carves on vert.
Expand QuoteThe only person forcing you into truck monogamy is yourself.[close]
I’m still in love with Thunders but currently having a little fun on the side with Films right now. Nothing wrong with playing the field a little right? After all how many people skate the same exact deck, wheels, bearings, and shoes every time? You gotta spice it up a little from time to time.
Expand QuoteI have some Thunder 147 hollow lights and Real 3 ply risers. I'm currently running the standard issue bushings but I'm definitely going to go the @Xen route and find the best Riptide bushing option to make the turn a bit more surfy.
(https://i.imgur.com/WPgYWja.jpg?1)[close]
You could just go indy aftermarket and save a few bucks as riptides are 2x as much and no idea if you'd notice a difference.
After looking on IG for 5 minutes it seems like all the best skaters ride Thunders. It’s trippy. Maybe it’s just who I follow.
They have been my go to truck for over 15 years. I have a Thunder tattoo worked into my sleeves of shit. They just work.
Early this year my friend had some Indy mids that he HATED. Was going to toss them. I set them up and had one of the best skates of my life.
Expand QuoteAfter looking on IG for 5 minutes it seems like all the best skaters ride Thunders. It’s trippy. Maybe it’s just who I follow.
They have been my go to truck for over 15 years. I have a Thunder tattoo worked into my sleeves of shit. They just work.
Early this year my friend had some Indy mids that he HATED. Was going to toss them. I set them up and had one of the best skates of my life.[close]
Maybe don't get an iron cross tattoo next to the lightning bolt.....
ripExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI have some Thunder 147 hollow lights and Real 3 ply risers. I'm currently running the standard issue bushings but I'm definitely going to go the @Xen route and find the best Riptide bushing option to make the turn a bit more surfy.
(https://i.imgur.com/WPgYWja.jpg?1)[close]
You could just go indy aftermarket and save a few bucks as riptides are 2x as much and no idea if you'd notice a difference.[close]
Hey @Xen I think I'll ask your advice on the Riptide conicals that fit your Thunders please. I'd like to get them surfy.
ripExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI have some Thunder 147 hollow lights and Real 3 ply risers. I'm currently running the standard issue bushings but I'm definitely going to go the @Xen route and find the best Riptide bushing option to make the turn a bit more surfy.
(https://i.imgur.com/WPgYWja.jpg?1)[close]
You could just go indy aftermarket and save a few bucks as riptides are 2x as much and no idea if you'd notice a difference.[close]
Hey @Xen I think I'll ask your advice on the Riptide conicals that fit your Thunders please. I'd like to get them surfy.[close]
[comparing 87a Riptides to 88a Indy conicals]
I like the riptides over the indy conicals for a couple of reasons:
1) break-in time is halved (if non-existent),
2) the rebound feels better/more responsive and I don't need to shave the top bushing like I do with the indys
+ you can also get more mix/match options with all the duros they offer.
That said, Indy conicals are [way] cheaper and the taller indy conical bottom bushing fits the thunders better than the riptides (I'm using a sleeved bottom washer that is a 1mm thicker than standard which is really next to nothing but does push it closer to stock for either option).
Was running Indy 88a bottoms (w/bones flat washer) + bone medium top with good results.
Expand QuoteripExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI have some Thunder 147 hollow lights and Real 3 ply risers. I'm currently running the standard issue bushings but I'm definitely going to go the @Xen route and find the best Riptide bushing option to make the turn a bit more surfy.
(https://i.imgur.com/WPgYWja.jpg?1)[close]
You could just go indy aftermarket and save a few bucks as riptides are 2x as much and no idea if you'd notice a difference.[close]
Hey @Xen I think I'll ask your advice on the Riptide conicals that fit your Thunders please. I'd like to get them surfy.[close]
[comparing 87a Riptides to 88a Indy conicals]
I like the riptides over the indy conicals for a couple of reasons:
1) break-in time is halved (if non-existent),
2) the rebound feels better/more responsive and I don't need to shave the top bushing like I do with the indys
+ you can also get more mix/match options with all the duros they offer.
That said, Indy conicals are [way] cheaper and the taller indy conical bottom bushing fits the thunders better than the riptides (I'm using a sleeved bottom washer that is a 1mm thicker than standard which is really next to nothing but does push it closer to stock for either option).
Was running Indy 88a bottoms (w/bones flat washer) + bone medium top with good results.[close]
Cool thanks @Xen -so to fit my Thunders 87a Krank conical Riptides? I'm gonna order those and some pivot cups too. Much obliged.
The question that's kind of bugging me is which is the best replacement bushings. I ride on the hard side so I tried the 94 thunder aftermarkets which after they broke in they felt too loose again. Next I tried the bones hards, the problem there is that for the first 3 sessions they were really firm but then they started going loose at a crazy rate, even when loose though they have this great rebound but it's too easy to initiate a turn on the board especially for the first few degrees making kind of hard to stabilize before popping a trick. I also tried some 97a aftermarkets which where too hard to break in and turning on these took forever. Maybe I just need to get used to some of these but I am currently thinking of trying the 95 rebuild kit. Also the main issue that I have is that all Thunder bushings seem to blow out at some point which is why I'm looking at alternatives.
Is thunder hollow a different wb to the regular thunder
The question that's kind of bugging me is which is the best replacement bushings. I ride on the hard side so I tried the 94 thunder aftermarkets which after they broke in they felt too loose again. Next I tried the bones hards, the problem there is that for the first 3 sessions they were really firm but then they started going loose at a crazy rate, even when loose though they have this great rebound but it's too easy to initiate a turn on the board especially for the first few degrees making kind of hard to stabilize before popping a trick. I also tried some 97a aftermarkets which where too hard to break in and turning on these took forever. Maybe I just need to get used to some of these but I am currently thinking of trying the 95 rebuild kit. Also the main issue that I have is that all Thunder bushings seem to blow out at some point which is why I'm looking at alternatives.
I'm thinking about buying some thunder 151.
Is there any difference between regular and e.g. lights II(besides weight and height)?
Expand QuoteI'm thinking about buying some thunder 151.
Is there any difference between regular and e.g. lights II(besides weight and height)?[close]
I think the forged models extend the wb slightly more than standard cast thunders.
Picked up some cheap defect 86a VENOM bottom bushings (bubbles in the pour) for $5. They are a hair taller than stock thunder bottoms - that said, comparing NEW clear blue / white stock thunders, they were different sizes (blue being shorter than the stock white). Weird.
Sanded the Venoms down a bit, but they're so close you don't need to (just my OCD) and threw them in along with the riptide 87a tops, bones washers top and bottom, nut flush.
148s, cast plates on a polar with wheel wells. I and trying to negate as much wheelbite as I can :P
Expand QuotePicked up some cheap defect 86a VENOM bottom bushings (bubbles in the pour) for $5. They are a hair taller than stock thunder bottoms - that said, comparing NEW clear blue / white stock thunders, they were different sizes (blue being shorter than the stock white). Weird.
Sanded the Venoms down a bit, but they're so close you don't need to (just my OCD) and threw them in along with the riptide 87a tops, bones washers top and bottom, nut flush.
148s, cast plates on a polar with wheel wells. I and trying to negate as much wheelbite as I can :P[close]
This sounds interesting, how does it skate? Remember you saying u always get mad wheel bit so how does this set up differ for u?
To all the people out there running Bones bushings, what are some ways to get the squeaking noise to go away? I know the topic has been answered before but I don't want to dig through threads to find it. These are fairly new so I'm sure that's partly to blame. Anyways, we need some more 161 love in here these things are perfect. The extra 1mm height increase, the width and the Thunder geometry make these my goldilocks truck.
161 Team Standard, Bones Hard Bushings, no washers, 1/8 riser. (https://i.ibb.co/NsT2H0x/20211017-180635.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NsT2H0x)
Expand QuoteTo all the people out there running Bones bushings, what are some ways to get the squeaking noise to go away? I know the topic has been answered before but I don't want to dig through threads to find it. These are fairly new so I'm sure that's partly to blame. Anyways, we need some more 161 love in here these things are perfect. The extra 1mm height increase, the width and the Thunder geometry make these my goldilocks truck.
161 Team Standard, Bones Hard Bushings, no washers, 1/8 riser. (https://i.ibb.co/NsT2H0x/20211017-180635.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NsT2H0x)[close]
Lightly lube the part of the hanger that touches the bushings (top and bottom) is the only way I've ever gotten them quiet. I thought for years it was they way they affect geo causing pivot squeaks.
To all the people out there running Bones bushings, what are some ways to get the squeaking noise to go away? I know the topic has been answered before but I don't want to dig through threads to find it. These are fairly new so I'm sure that's partly to blame. Anyways, we need some more 161 love in here these things are perfect. The extra 1mm height increase, the width and the Thunder geometry make these my goldilocks truck.
161 Team Standard, Bones Hard Bushings, no washers, 1/8 riser. (https://i.ibb.co/NsT2H0x/20211017-180635.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NsT2H0x)
thunder lifer here. purchased some titanium hollows today. have always skated the standard team editions because i always assumed hollows/titaniums were a gimmick as they came out. fingers crossed i have been wrong.
Expand Quotehow do you fine folk deal with the shit thunder stock bushings, does it get better somehow as the top bushing crumbles and gives up?[close]
the more they disintegrate the better my turn gets
thunder lifer here. purchased some titanium hollows today. have always skated the standard team editions because i always assumed hollows/titaniums were a gimmick as they came out. fingers crossed i have been wrong.
Does anyone else wish that Deluxe would redesign the 147 to sit a couple mm higher and have better kingpin clearance? I don’t understand why 148+ gets that nice mid height and acceptable kingpin clearance while the 147 is basically a low with none. I want to magic carpet again but 147s are just too low for me
Expand QuoteDoes anyone else wish that Deluxe would redesign the 147 to sit a couple mm higher and have better kingpin clearance? I don’t understand why 148+ gets that nice mid height and acceptable kingpin clearance while the 147 is basically a low with none. I want to magic carpet again but 147s are just too low for me[close]
Heck no. 147s are the best. Use a riser and quit trying to fuck my shit up.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone else wish that Deluxe would redesign the 147 to sit a couple mm higher and have better kingpin clearance? I don’t understand why 148+ gets that nice mid height and acceptable kingpin clearance while the 147 is basically a low with none. I want to magic carpet again but 147s are just too low for me[close]
Heck no. 147s are the best. Use a riser and quit trying to fuck my shit up.[close]
Lol I’m glad you like them. It doesn’t fix the kp clearance though :( I have tried the Krux kingpins also and I do not like em
Thunder 147 is an S-tier truck. Have they been on the same stage since they called them the 147 II’s?
Expand Quotethunder lifer here. purchased some titanium hollows today. have always skated the standard team editions because i always assumed hollows/titaniums were a gimmick as they came out. fingers crossed i have been wrong.[close]
Hmm, let us know how they feel if you remember. I’m on some regular hollows and they feel really nice. Not sure I want to go lighter than that
I've been skating ti's now for a couple weeks after skating hollow lights II's for a couple years and can't really tell a difference at all, which is fine. I swapped bushings and pivot cups too since the ones Im riding are still pretty fresh and everything felt the same; albeit unsurprisingly the geometry is the same.I checked the weight of 148 Titanium Lights vs 148 Hollow Lights and the difference was marginal, the Titaniums were only about 10/15 grams lighter per truck. I can't remember the exact numbers but I recall the Hollow Lights were in the 320/325 grams range, the Titaniums around 305/310 grams.
I really want to know the exact weight difference between the hollow lights vs. the ti's. anyone? I stood on a scale that weighs to the first decimal and got the exact same weight reading while holding each truck. It'll give me a slightly different weight if I change insoles so it's pretty accurate. I have a smaller, more accurate 'kitchen' scale but a truck is too heavy for it unfortunately.
Anyway if there's a weight difference between the two it's extremely minuscule from what I can tell and as the ti's are a little pricier I'd recommend the hollow lights instead.
The hollow is a better value but beggars can't be choosers.....id recommend the team baseplates....
Thanks Dan for the info, that sounds about right. Yeah I've heard titanium axle trucks are kind of a gimmick but I wanted to find out for myself. All in all I don't have any complaints so I'd say it still was worth experimenting.
Team plates are just a smidge heavier and ride a smidge higher right? I ride risers now so I'm not sure how the much different the feel would be; is the 'board feel' noticably different?
I checked the weight of 148 Titanium Lights vs 148 Hollow Lights and the difference was marginal, the Titaniums were only about 10/15 grams lighter per truck. I can't remember the exact numbers but I recall the Hollow Lights were in the 320/325 grams range, the Titaniums around 305/310 grams.Expand QuoteI've been skating ti's now for a couple weeks after skating hollow lights II's for a couple years and can't really tell a difference at all, which is fine. I swapped bushings and pivot cups too since the ones Im riding are still pretty fresh and everything felt the same; albeit unsurprisingly the geometry is the same.
I really want to know the exact weight difference between the hollow lights vs. the ti's. anyone? I stood on a scale that weighs to the first decimal and got the exact same weight reading while holding each truck. It'll give me a slightly different weight if I change insoles so it's pretty accurate. I have a smaller, more accurate 'kitchen' scale but a truck is too heavy for it unfortunately.
Anyway if there's a weight difference between the two it's extremely minuscule from what I can tell and as the ti's are a little pricier I'd recommend the hollow lights instead.[close]
The difference obviously will be bigger the wider you go, but it will still be very small, I doubt anyone could feel it, especially when skating.
I agree they're too close to justify paying more for the Titaniums, unless someone bends axles often and needs the added stength (in theory) of Ti axles. I got Titaniums mostly because they were on sale and I paid the same price as Hollow Lights, but otherwise I would stick with Hollow Lights.
Anyone else find the stock bushings way too soft? I bought a pair of Team Hollow Lights and even after tightening up as far as I could go I still almost got wheel bite, board was way too unstable.
I've just bought a set of hard bushings (black) and these feel much better, they don't feel that hard!
Anyone else find the stock bushings way too soft? I bought a pair of Team Hollow Lights and even after tightening up as far as I could go I still almost got wheel bite, board was way too unstable.
I've just bought a set of hard bushings (black) and these feel much better, they don't feel that hard!
Expand QuoteAnyone else find the stock bushings way too soft? I bought a pair of Team Hollow Lights and even after tightening up as far as I could go I still almost got wheel bite, board was way too unstable.
I've just bought a set of hard bushings (black) and these feel much better, they don't feel that hard![close]
The bushings are compression set. Meaning they have to be slowly tightened over a few sessions otherwise they will collapse, crack, and break.
Colors are just dye, they are the same... but 100a is hella hard for bushings no matter what, they're made for heavy people and/or very tight truck fans.Expand QuoteAnyone else find the stock bushings way too soft? I bought a pair of Team Hollow Lights and even after tightening up as far as I could go I still almost got wheel bite, board was way too unstable.
I've just bought a set of hard bushings (black) and these feel much better, they don't feel that hard![close]
People often talk highly about the 100a thunder black bushings on here... Anyone know if they're the same as the yellow 100a? I ask because I got the 100a yellow ones and they're so hard they're pretty much unusable. I wonder if the blacks are an anomaly.
I've spent way too much money on bushings this year experimenting. I weigh 180lbs and can tell you the black Thunder bushings are the best! I can skate them with the kingpin nut level with the threads. I've turned everyone else on to them around here of all different weights. Good luck finding some right now.
I understand how duro's work, I'm just not convinced they're the same based on every description I've heard of the blacks. People say they aren't all that hard and they receive regular high praise. No one in their right minds would ever call the yellow ones not that hard and I've never heard a single person sing their praise. I think we all know other products that work against how they should in theory i.e. red Indy bushings.
I've been on Thunder a while, just snapped a kingpin. Just wondering, what other low trucks are out there? Mine are 51mm When I switch over to Indys forged hollows i struggle lol ( 53.5mm )
going for thunders next. should i go for the hollows or raws? and whyteam hollow is best for me. i run 53-54 and medium trucks.
team hollow is best for me. i run 53-54 and medium trucks.Expand Quotegoing for thunders next. should i go for the hollows or raws? and why[close]
would you guys recommend the hollow lights over the team hollow lights? i know the team hollow lights are 1mm taller at 50mm, which is already pretty low. would the 1mm shorter height of the hollow lights be negligible or would it make wheelbite alot worse?Expand Quoteteam hollow is best for me. i run 53-54 and medium trucks.Expand Quotegoing for thunders next. should i go for the hollows or raws? and why[close][close]
+1 on the team hollows..u run 52-56mm wheels with the stock bushing,almost 2 thread showing on the kingpin.
would you guys recommend the hollow lights over the team hollow lights? i know the team hollow lights are 1mm taller at 50mm, which is already pretty low. would the 1mm shorter height of the hollow lights be negligible or would it make wheelbite alot worse?Expand QuoteExpand Quoteteam hollow is best for me. i run 53-54 and medium trucks.Expand Quotegoing for thunders next. should i go for the hollows or raws? and why[close][close]
+1 on the team hollows..u run 52-56mm wheels with the stock bushing,almost 2 thread showing on the kingpin.[close]
While we’re on the topic of bushings, has anyone tried riptide bushings in their thunders? If so, what combo of their bushings will keep the geometry of the truck as close to what Thunder intended?
Expand QuoteWhile we’re on the topic of bushings, has anyone tried riptide bushings in their thunders? If so, what combo of their bushings will keep the geometry of the truck as close to what Thunder intended?[close]
Bruh, this thread is a measly three pages deep...
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I don't ever remember bushings needing to be worn in back in the day.
So, how long does it take for them to firm up?
thinking about trying out thunders...
a lot of boards i've been riding on have steep concaves on it and was wondering how these would fair out with that combo? trying to limit my ghost flips.
looking at the regular polished and the hollow lights, size 149 for both.
Expand Quotethinking about trying out thunders...
a lot of boards i've been riding on have steep concaves on it and was wondering how these would fair out with that combo? trying to limit my ghost flips.
looking at the regular polished and the hollow lights, size 149 for both.[close]
What are you currently riding on steep concave (just concave or concave and kicks)? Trucks and board brands?
Keep in mind the regular polished are teams so a 1mm taller baseplate than the hollow lights forged plate.
Personally, I prefer thunders on medium to mellow kicks and Indy/ace on steeper kicks. They all work tho.
Maybe it's not your trucks but just the steep kicks? Maybe just drop to a medium concave?
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethinking about trying out thunders...
a lot of boards i've been riding on have steep concaves on it and was wondering how these would fair out with that combo? trying to limit my ghost flips.
looking at the regular polished and the hollow lights, size 149 for both.[close]
What are you currently riding on steep concave (just concave or concave and kicks)? Trucks and board brands?
Keep in mind the regular polished are teams so a 1mm taller baseplate than the hollow lights forged plate.
Personally, I prefer thunders on medium to mellow kicks and Indy/ace on steeper kicks. They all work tho.
Maybe it's not your trucks but just the steep kicks? Maybe just drop to a medium concave?[close]
currently rocking ace af1 55 on the new FA/Hockey 8.44 shape. a lil steep than i’m used to, and now i have a frog board i just got the other day and it’s steep as well.
my truck knowledge is still pretty basic but trying to understand it a little better.
just ordered thunder hollow light 148’s. gonna be interesting seeing how this truck performs in contrast to riding indy’s and aces primarily my whole life.had a couple of sessions on them so far and i think i can say i can give a fair assessment of them now.
This is definitely a street designed truck. Doable in transition, but be advised that the turn is not as deep.
noted. i’ll definitely try this out. i got my thunders on a habitat board with a 14.25 wb. i’m gonna switch them out and put them onto my real board with a 14.12 wb and see if that helps.Even though Thunder is the least transition of the three, I can do 100% of my tricks with them and as long as I pair them with a shorter wheelbase than I would Indy or Ace, I am not held back at all.Expand Quote
This is definitely a street designed truck. Doable in transition, but be advised that the turn is not as deep.[close]
Thunder team standards 149 all day & forever ;)
With Bones medium bushings (without top or bottom washers - put the top washer on when they've fully broken in)
Thunder's seem to be the only trucks that don't work well for me in cold weather. I live in Vancouver, which is pretty mild compared to the rest of Canada. The bushings just harden right up. Never had this issue with Indy's.
You should try Lurpiv bushings for cold temps, coming from Sweden... ;DExpand QuoteThunder's seem to be the only trucks that don't work well for me in cold weather. I live in Vancouver, which is pretty mild compared to the rest of Canada. The bushings just harden right up. Never had this issue with Indy's.[close]
Complete opposite for me, I usually ride indy bushings(88/90) in my thunders after the stock ones crumble, but they always freeze. Got some new thunder 90a bushings and while they do get harder outside, they never feel like rocks.
I might try ace bushings in thunders next, bottom seems to be the same size. (Indy bottoms are 1mm smaller)
You should try Lurpiv bushings for cold temps, coming from Sweden... ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThunder's seem to be the only trucks that don't work well for me in cold weather. I live in Vancouver, which is pretty mild compared to the rest of Canada. The bushings just harden right up. Never had this issue with Indy's.[close]
Complete opposite for me, I usually ride indy bushings(88/90) in my thunders after the stock ones crumble, but they always freeze. Got some new thunder 90a bushings and while they do get harder outside, they never feel like rocks.
I might try ace bushings in thunders next, bottom seems to be the same size. (Indy bottoms are 1mm smaller)[close]
I wish I could, I find Lurpivs interesting, they're oddly ugly yet beautiful at the same time, but they are waaaaay too tall for me to consider. I was just jokingly assuming a company from Sweden would make sure their trucks are cold ready but I have no clue.Expand QuoteYou should try Lurpiv bushings for cold temps, coming from Sweden... ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThunder's seem to be the only trucks that don't work well for me in cold weather. I live in Vancouver, which is pretty mild compared to the rest of Canada. The bushings just harden right up. Never had this issue with Indy's.[close]
Complete opposite for me, I usually ride indy bushings(88/90) in my thunders after the stock ones crumble, but they always freeze. Got some new thunder 90a bushings and while they do get harder outside, they never feel like rocks.
I might try ace bushings in thunders next, bottom seems to be the same size. (Indy bottoms are 1mm smaller)[close][close]
Tell us more. the Lurpiv thread is thirsty
Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)
update: i finally got around to putting them on the 8.28 deck with 14.12wb. its really nice, i get the best of both worlds now.noted. i’ll definitely try this out. i got my thunders on a habitat board with a 14.25 wb. i’m gonna switch them out and put them onto my real board with a 14.12 wb and see if that helps.Expand QuoteEven though Thunder is the least transition of the three, I can do 100% of my tricks with them and as long as I pair them with a shorter wheelbase than I would Indy or Ace, I am not held back at all.Expand Quote
This is definitely a street designed truck. Doable in transition, but be advised that the turn is not as deep.[close][close]
update: i finally got around to putting them on the 8.28 deck with 14.12wb. its really nice, i get the best of both worlds now.Expand Quotenoted. i’ll definitely try this out. i got my thunders on a habitat board with a 14.25 wb. i’m gonna switch them out and put them onto my real board with a 14.12 wb and see if that helps.Expand QuoteEven though Thunder is the least transition of the three, I can do 100% of my tricks with them and as long as I pair them with a shorter wheelbase than I would Indy or Ace, I am not held back at all.Expand Quote
This is definitely a street designed truck. Doable in transition, but be advised that the turn is not as deep.[close][close][close]
due to the shorter wheelbase of 14.12, i can turn how i want to like how i did on aces. on street, they still perform just as well as it did with the habitat board.
the 14.25in to 14.12in drop in wheelbase really made a difference. i got a good feeling this will end all of my setup madness.
Expand QuoteLooks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)[close]
I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.
Expand Quoteupdate: i finally got around to putting them on the 8.28 deck with 14.12wb. its really nice, i get the best of both worlds now.Expand Quotenoted. i’ll definitely try this out. i got my thunders on a habitat board with a 14.25 wb. i’m gonna switch them out and put them onto my real board with a 14.12 wb and see if that helps.Expand QuoteEven though Thunder is the least transition of the three, I can do 100% of my tricks with them and as long as I pair them with a shorter wheelbase than I would Indy or Ace, I am not held back at all.Expand Quote
This is definitely a street designed truck. Doable in transition, but be advised that the turn is not as deep.[close][close][close]
due to the shorter wheelbase of 14.12, i can turn how i want to like how i did on aces. on street, they still perform just as well as it did with the habitat board.
the 14.25in to 14.12in drop in wheelbase really made a difference. i got a good feeling this will end all of my setup madness.[close]
I am about to get a 8.28 Krooked deck with the 14.12 WB. What wheel size are you rocking with yours and are you having any issues with wheelbite?
148, the size for 8.25. The height on 148 hollow light’s with the forged baseplate are 51mm. No risers. No issue with wheelbite that isn’t present with any other truck brand, or none that I haven’t noticed atleast (i rode Aces and Indy’s before).Expand Quoteupdate: i finally got around to putting them on the 8.28 deck with 14.12wb. its really nice, i get the best of both worlds now.Expand Quotenoted. i’ll definitely try this out. i got my thunders on a habitat board with a 14.25 wb. i’m gonna switch them out and put them onto my real board with a 14.12 wb and see if that helps.Expand QuoteEven though Thunder is the least transition of the three, I can do 100% of my tricks with them and as long as I pair them with a shorter wheelbase than I would Indy or Ace, I am not held back at all.Expand Quote
This is definitely a street designed truck. Doable in transition, but be advised that the turn is not as deep.[close][close][close]
due to the shorter wheelbase of 14.12, i can turn how i want to like how i did on aces. on street, they still perform just as well as it did with the habitat board.
the 14.25in to 14.12in drop in wheelbase really made a difference. i got a good feeling this will end all of my setup madness.[close]
I am about to get a 8.28 Krooked deck with the 14.12 WB. What wheel size are you rocking with yours and are you having any issues with wheelbite?
Expand QuoteLooks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)[close]
I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLooks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)[close]
I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.[close]
I dm’d and got this response pretty quickly. DLX is awesome.(https://i.ibb.co/KhPpNH0/1-D7-AA228-C875-4194-87-B9-3-DD6-D0618702.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KhPpNH0)
Has anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mm
Has anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious
1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close]
Expand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.
Expand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.
Might as well put little wheels up there while we're at it! ;DExpand QuoteExpand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.[close]
This, but Teflon infused high density plastic for all trucks. Much like the old Tensors with the slider!
Might as well put little wheels up there while we're at it! ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.[close]
This, but Teflon infused high density plastic for all trucks. Much like the old Tensors with the slider![close]
(https://i.ibb.co/cNWsr2Z/Screen-Shot-2021-11-25-at-11-06-54.png) (https://ibb.co/cNWsr2Z)
Expand QuoteMight as well put little wheels up there while we're at it! ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.[close]
This, but Teflon infused high density plastic for all trucks. Much like the old Tensors with the slider![close]
(https://i.ibb.co/cNWsr2Z/Screen-Shot-2021-11-25-at-11-06-54.png) (https://ibb.co/cNWsr2Z)[close]
Damn. Now we're really on to something! 8)
Expand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.
Expand QuoteExpand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.[close]
Ha! Yeah that is awesome!
They could also be marketed as "truck protectors too" as it is a lot easier to swap out that part than a whole baseplate.
Does anyone remember when Destructo brought out "Rail killers" which were just a normal truck with a longer part at the front, which was supposed to help with slides...
Anyone?
No?
Well, there's your answer on the significantly longer front part, easily enough.
People have tried it, but for the most part it didn't actually do what they had designed it to do and more often than not it got in the way too much. I have a set from a team rider from back in the day and they are interesting to look at but not really functional for normal skateboarding.
The Tensor plastic slider was a lot less "out there" so it worked a lot better for those who were into that sort of thing, but for everyone else, normal trucks just worked fine.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41jCnrBxBiL.jpg)
EDIT:
I can understand and appreciate how people want a little more on the front of the Thunder truck, but for the most part, pro skaters and others can still skate them fine with no issues (and grind the baseplate) but from the measurements I think it was 2mm tops was all it needed to be of the same line as other brands, which is not much at all.
I definitely didn't post this to start trouble or cause an issue, so I am sorry if someone thinks I am just trying to be argumentative. That is not the case.
What I do find interesting is how much of a difference it makes to some people. I have boards with Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace and a few other brand trucks on them, so sure they all have different things to note with performance, but the baseplate on all my boards, including the ones with Thunder trucks still touches the side of the ledges at places I skate, as it has grind and slide marks across it, as do most Thunder baseplates I see on people's boards when I am in the shop or out skating.
At least there are a good number of options with different trucks, which I would hope makes it fun to try and find a truck that works for you.
Are you doing slides on mainly rounded ledges or maybe transition? I'm on thunders and 54mm and my baseplates are mangled from tail and moseslides. Granted I'm on 54mm conical fulls but I don't think that should make too much of a difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote1/8 riser pads, let em stick out 2-3mmExpand QuoteHas anyone ever figured out a solution to the base plate problem besides smaller wheels or tons of wax. Doesn't bother me to much just curious[close][close]
That's a good idea, I don't really have any issues with my Thunders, but DLX should make a metal riser with a little lip on it like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep68G5um.png)
Seems like it would make 'em money.[close]
Ha! Yeah that is awesome!
They could also be marketed as "truck protectors too" as it is a lot easier to swap out that part than a whole baseplate.
Does anyone remember when Destructo brought out "Rail killers" which were just a normal truck with a longer part at the front, which was supposed to help with slides...
Anyone?
No?
Well, there's your answer on the significantly longer front part, easily enough.
People have tried it, but for the most part it didn't actually do what they had designed it to do and more often than not it got in the way too much. I have a set from a team rider from back in the day and they are interesting to look at but not really functional for normal skateboarding.
The Tensor plastic slider was a lot less "out there" so it worked a lot better for those who were into that sort of thing, but for everyone else, normal trucks just worked fine.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41jCnrBxBiL.jpg)
EDIT:
I can understand and appreciate how people want a little more on the front of the Thunder truck, but for the most part, pro skaters and others can still skate them fine with no issues (and grind the baseplate) but from the measurements I think it was 2mm tops was all it needed to be of the same line as other brands, which is not much at all.
I definitely didn't post this to start trouble or cause an issue, so I am sorry if someone thinks I am just trying to be argumentative. That is not the case.
What I do find interesting is how much of a difference it makes to some people. I have boards with Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace and a few other brand trucks on them, so sure they all have different things to note with performance, but the baseplate on all my boards, including the ones with Thunder trucks still touches the side of the ledges at places I skate, as it has grind and slide marks across it, as do most Thunder baseplates I see on people's boards when I am in the shop or out skating.
At least there are a good number of options with different trucks, which I would hope makes it fun to try and find a truck that works for you.[close]
While it's true that there's only a few mm difference in baseplate length, you also have to consider the distance between the end of the baseplate and the axle, which is much closer on thunder than indy trucks for example.
I rarely get grind marks on my thunder baseplate and I do lots of tailslides, but I'm also currently on 55mm wheels. It probably happens with smaller wheels.
But it still works fine if you slide on your wheels instead of the baseplate.
Just looked at my board and the slide marks end about 3mm away from the baseplate.
Does anyone remember when Destructo brought out "Rail killers" which were just a normal truck with a longer part at the front, which was supposed to help with slides...
Anyone?
No?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41jCnrBxBiL.jpg)
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Does anyone remember when Destructo brought out "Rail killers" which were just a normal truck with a longer part at the front, which was supposed to help with slides...[close]
I had a set of rail killers and liked them very much. The pointed/rounded front of the baseplate resulted in more or less a single point of contact for nose slides instead of the whole plane of the baseplate having contact.
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Does anyone remember when Destructo brought out "Rail killers" which were just a normal truck with a longer part at the front, which was supposed to help with slides...[close]
I had a set of rail killers and liked them very much. The pointed/rounded front of the baseplate resulted in more or less a single point of contact for nose slides instead of the whole plane of the baseplate having contact.[close]
They definitely sat out and as you said, had minimal contact, which worked really well for people who got used to them, but I think for the most part, the people who had them and didn't quite know how to use them well ended up more often than not slipping out, as they were much more prone to going on an angle, rather than sliding straight on, if that makes sense.
One guy in particular said they were best when worn down a lot, but most of the others who had them, be it team riders or customers didn't really understand / get them.
They would often swap over their old normal baseplates with new hangers, more so than skate the rail killers baseplates, or only put them on the front, not both.
Funny old world we live in.
That is cool that at least someone found they worked well.
Finally settled on something i think.
Put some bones mediums in after seeing it on here (always thought they didn't work with thunders) and the first couple of sessions have been brilliant, so thanks to whoever that was.
Thunder 149s
Bones mediums
Risers
54 or 55mm wheels
Link below though:
https://ibb.co/XW3dDYZ (https://ibb.co/XW3dDYZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/6y1p8XR/IMG-20211201-120647.jpg)
Expand QuoteFinally settled on something i think.
Put some bones mediums in after seeing it on here (always thought they didn't work with thunders) and the first couple of sessions have been brilliant, so thanks to whoever that was.
Thunder 149s
Bones mediums
Risers
54 or 55mm wheels
Link below though:
https://ibb.co/XW3dDYZ (https://ibb.co/XW3dDYZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/6y1p8XR/IMG-20211201-120647.jpg)[close]
Fixed it for you.
That sticker is pretty cool as well. Did you get that from somewhere or make it yourself?
Does anyone have a list of risers that work with thunders? I don't need them but am curious. I know they would probably fit well but I'm not too interested in the wooden ones from deluxe. something quite thin is what i'm looking for.
Ace makes 1/16" risers... they're shock pads though, not 100% rigid, but you can easily cut them so they wont stick out from a Thunder basplate.
Expand QuoteAce makes 1/16" risers... they're shock pads though, not 100% rigid, but you can easily cut them so they wont stick out from a Thunder basplate.[close]
Not a fan of shock pads, deadening the feel of board isn’t for me. I have used them on a cruiser tho, works great.
Does anyone have a list of risers that work with thunders? I don't need them but am curious. I know they would probably fit well but I'm not too interested in the wooden ones from deluxe. something quite thin is what i'm looking for.i hand sanded about a millimeter off of some bones ones to bring some 147s up just a smidge. it was a nightmare...but the resulting hard thin riser is pretty great. took me the better part of an hour of awkward sanding but if you have a belt sander or something you could prob do it in minutes. they are like 3/32".
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The clearance on those inverse kingpin thunders looks incredible. Do you guys think they just didn't work well enough and they stopped trying?
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The clearance on those inverse kingpin thunders looks incredible. Do you guys think they just didn't work well enough and they stopped trying?[close]
That was interesting to see, especially as he said they were testing it, not just his own fix or modification.
Given it was from mid 2020, I think they would have had something out by now, but who knows.
Apart from the exceptional clearance, I can see the top head sinking into the top washer / bushing area all too easily, so that might be why it was not really thought to be viable.
I always take some screen shots of things like that, which are way easier to see when blown up like these:
(https://i.ibb.co/VNYrnxd/Thunder-inverted-kingpin-test-2020.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZJzt4S3)
(https://i.ibb.co/3mpdCNC/Thunder-inverted-kingpin-test-2020-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5hr4R8R)
They tried a few thunder iterations for a while. My friend who used to work at dlx was skating some inverted kingpin thunders (which looked different to these, more like the indy mids) in early 2019. A few months ago he told me that they had one prototype with an inverted kingpin, more extended and rounded out baseplate that turned a little less twitchy. Apparently everyone who tried it liked it but for whatever reason seems like none of these things have made it to production.
Does anyone have a list of risers that work with thunders? I don't need them but am curious. I know they would probably fit well but I'm not too interested in the wooden ones from deluxe. something quite thin is what i'm looking for.
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They tried a few thunder iterations for a while. My friend who used to work at dlx was skating some inverted kingpin thunders (which looked different to these, more like the indy mids) in early 2019. A few months ago he told me that they had one prototype with an inverted kingpin, more extended and rounded out baseplate that turned a little less twitchy. Apparently everyone who tried it liked it but for whatever reason seems like none of these things have made it to production.[close]
That sounds ideal.
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They tried a few thunder iterations for a while. My friend who used to work at dlx was skating some inverted kingpin thunders (which looked different to these, more like the indy mids) in early 2019. A few months ago he told me that they had one prototype with an inverted kingpin, more extended and rounded out baseplate that turned a little less twitchy. Apparently everyone who tried it liked it but for whatever reason seems like none of these things have made it to production.[close]
That sounds ideal.[close]
You just described the new Royals.
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They tried a few thunder iterations for a while. My friend who used to work at dlx was skating some inverted kingpin thunders (which looked different to these, more like the indy mids) in early 2019. A few months ago he told me that they had one prototype with an inverted kingpin, more extended and rounded out baseplate that turned a little less twitchy. Apparently everyone who tried it liked it but for whatever reason seems like none of these things have made it to production.[close]
Apparently these are how the new Royals are described
That sounds ideal.
(https://i.ibb.co/RDcY2t2/49-F33048-AE7-F-4-B9-A-AAFC-86502-ABBAE24.jpg)
After a year and a half detour skating ACE’s I’m back on the right path. Thunders just work the best for me and how I skate. The hanger is wider and they’re lighter when you compare similar sized trucks from each brand. I prefer the sharp turn, too. I put the 90a rebuild kit bushings in and took off the bottom washer. Perfect. Side note: the kingpin sits lower than I remember
These are 148’s.I’ve skated a few dozen sets of 147’s in my life if I were to guess. I got a Dane 1 JR that’s a lot smaller than expected that I’m going to put a set of 147’s onExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/RDcY2t2/49-F33048-AE7-F-4-B9-A-AAFC-86502-ABBAE24.jpg)
After a year and a half detour skating ACE’s I’m back on the right path. Thunders just work the best for me and how I skate. The hanger is wider and they’re lighter when you compare similar sized trucks from each brand. I prefer the sharp turn, too. I put the 90a rebuild kit bushings in and took off the bottom washer. Perfect. Side note: the kingpin sits lower than I remember[close]
147s?
I like pop, on 147s, quite a bit
Does anyone know why the 147's sit lower than the 148+ sizes? I'm just curious if the baseplate is a diff geometry, if I wanted to use the spare plates from a set of those and pair it with hangers of the wider sizes.
grab the real wooden risers for thunders and it should help.Expand QuoteBeen thinking of getting 55mm wheels, i’m riding 148 lights so forged baseplate makes them pretty low. I run my trucks medium loose. Have you guys done 55mm wheels with forged plates and no risers, and what was the wheelbite factor like? Thank you :)[close]
Yes, I tried 54mm classics on Thunder Ti's and it was wheel bite city. Kept getting pitched. I ride my trucks medium loose as well. They were fine with the addition of tiny little risers.
Been thinking of getting 55mm wheels, i’m riding 148 lights so forged baseplate makes them pretty low. I run my trucks medium loose. Have you guys done 55mm wheels with forged plates and no risers, and what was the wheelbite factor like? Thank you :)
Expand QuoteBeen thinking of getting 55mm wheels, i’m riding 148 lights so forged baseplate makes them pretty low. I run my trucks medium loose. Have you guys done 55mm wheels with forged plates and no risers, and what was the wheelbite factor like? Thank you :)[close]
I'm on 149ti and need 1/8 risers to run 56 conical fulls. I have mine medium loose, enough to turn well and do my slappies. I haven't noticed any horrible wheelbite yet
From ishods insta story. Seems like he's still on the inverse kingpin and possibly a longer baseplate?
https://youtu.be/ERQSNqd7gtg
I kind of experimented with my bushings the way he mentions on the Nine Club, albeit while I was adjusting my kingpin. I want to get more top bushings so I could do it for real.
No doubt. I want someone on here to like try this and report back. It's one thing when Ishod talks about it, but I need to hear about it from like a mortal haha.Expand Quotehttps://youtu.be/ERQSNqd7gtg
I kind of experimented with my bushings the way he mentions on the Nine Club, albeit while I was adjusting my kingpin. I want to get more top bushings so I could do it for real.[close]
Thanks for posting this. I really liked Ishod's gear talk
Thank you all for help. I’m not gonna get or make risers (at least yet) i just don’t like the feel of them. Going to get 54mm classics or similar wheels then, had thunders with forged plates with new 53mm wheels and i wasn’t getting too much wheelbite so figured that the extra 0,5mm isn’t gonna be too bad. If it is too wheelbitey i can make some from 1,25mm thick sheet metal :D
No doubt. I want someone on here to like try this and report back. It's one thing when Ishod talks about it, but I need to hear about it from like a mortal haha.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://youtu.be/ERQSNqd7gtg
I kind of experimented with my bushings the way he mentions on the Nine Club, albeit while I was adjusting my kingpin. I want to get more top bushings so I could do it for real.[close]
Thanks for posting this. I really liked Ishod's gear talk[close]
Expand QuoteI’ve been skating Thunders since last fall and thought I liked them pretty well, until I stepped on my cruiser for the first time in months that has Indy’s on it and realized I really do not like the way they turn compared to Indys. Realized the bushings were getting fucked and replaced them with bones mediums but didn’t help as much as I wanted, so now I’m about to try Indy 88 Soft bushings and see if that does it.
Trucks are totally fine though so I’m going to keep trying to fine tune them until I like them, but tempted to bail on them early.[close]
thunders turn better than Indys when u put 1/8 risers on them (and they become the same height too)
Looks like Gerwer is running the IKP in TNT’s Instagram story:
(https://i.ibb.co/WgGbPt0/07-AF1090-F19-D-45-D1-B6-DA-AC7-BE52024-F4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WgGbPt0)
Maybe it’s been talked about before, but what the fuck is up with Thunder stock bushings? Ever since they switched to the blue ones from the older yellow ones a few years ago I can’t get my trucks loose enough with stock bushings. The catalog says they’re 90a, but they feel significantly harder than the 90a rebuild kit bushings
I have a collection of broken in old white Thunder bushings but honestly I don't mind the new blue ones too much especially in 151s with risers. Incidentally, I have not ridden my Thunders in months and put them back on a new set up this weekend and the curb grind is so much better than Ace classics.
Expand QuoteI have a collection of broken in old white Thunder bushings but honestly I don't mind the new blue ones too much especially in 151s with risers. Incidentally, I have not ridden my Thunders in months and put them back on a new set up this weekend and the curb grind is so much better than Ace classics.[close]
I tried some Ace Classics this past fall just for a change of pace and I fucking hated them. They grinded noticeably worse and were kind of just a chore to skate. To each their own on trucks, but I don't get 'em.
The new team hollows seem awesome, same as a hollow light but has a forged base plate so they are slightly taller, picking some up soon cause the only issue I had with hollow lights were that they were lower than other trucks.
Pretty sure the team plates are still cast (newer models with the hex bottom) just with a nice powder coat on non-raw colorways..Expand QuoteThe new team hollows seem awesome, same as a hollow light but has a forged base plate so they are slightly taller, picking some up soon cause the only issue I had with hollow lights were that they were lower than other trucks.[close]
Ya Team Hollows are 100% always cast and always 1mm taller than standard cast. Forged plates are always 1mm lower than standard cast plates, so 2mm lower than Team plates.No.
Team plates are standard baseplates aren't they?
There are only two types all up, the standard (which for Thunder is called "Team") and then Forged plates.
what's the deal with bones bushings on thunders? i've put a set in before for them to blow out after a month or two, but that's how thunders just tend to be.
any advice on increasing the longevity of them?
(i would get thunder bushings but no shops seem to stock them)
Ya so I was partially right, Teams are 52 and forged are 2mm shorter.Jesus, NO.
OKAY so first time slap poster here but this is driving me insane. Ive ridden thunder 149s for the past 3 trucks always black kingpin black washers blue bushings, and then today i received my newest pair. They have black washers blue bushings like always but then the kingpin is now silver which has never happened and also on the back lf the truck u can see the kingpin is like pushed in more so maybe this truck will feel different? Idk just wondering if anyone has the same trucks as i do right now or if i just got a weird/fake pair.
(https://i.ibb.co/N1W6tZZ/70855123-4-B96-4-D13-9-AAA-015361884257.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N1W6tZZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/KqYyMwG/4231-A4-C0-4073-4629-9986-B3771-D7284-C0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KqYyMwG)
(https://i.ibb.co/Q9JWPn9/614-C415-A-856-F-4-FA2-A5-F9-D4-E43-B65025-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q9JWPn9)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLooks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)[close]
I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.[close]
I dm’d and got this response pretty quickly. DLX is awesome.(https://i.ibb.co/KhPpNH0/1-D7-AA228-C875-4194-87-B9-3-DD6-D0618702.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KhPpNH0)
Jesus, NO.Expand QuoteYa so I was partially right, Teams are 52 and forged are 2mm shorter.[close]
145 and 147 are 50 on cast/team, this is the same, and 49 on forged. 148, 149 and 151 are 52 and 51, and 161 are 53 and 52.
What is it you're not getting?
Expand QuoteJesus, NO.Expand QuoteYa so I was partially right, Teams are 52 and forged are 2mm shorter.[close]
145 and 147 are 50 on cast/team, this is the same, and 49 on forged. 148, 149 and 151 are 52 and 51, and 161 are 53 and 52.
What is it you're not getting?[close]
The poster was comparing forged to Teams, which are 2mm difference. I just measured my forged 148 at 50mm on the dot and my Team Hollows at 52. I was incorrect about normal plates not being 51. I don’t normally think about 147 since I’d never ride them.
stick to stock as much as you can, bones bushings always blow out quick whether you run tight, med or loose trucks. deserve to have there own overrated thread, that's just my opinion though. Others will swear by them.
Expand Quotestick to stock as much as you can, bones bushings always blow out quick whether you run tight, med or loose trucks. deserve to have there own overrated thread, that's just my opinion though. Others will swear by them.[close]
one of my coworkers at my local shop ran the indy hard bushings in his thunders, he rides super tight trucks, and he seemed to love em.
we commonly sell the bones bushings but we constantly hear about them blowing out, however Ive never heard complaints about the wide range of Indy bushings we have sold, people seem to prefer them once they try them.
personally i found that the stock bushings in any of the truck brands i have rode (thunder, indy, ace) at a medium tightness have worked like a dream.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotestick to stock as much as you can, bones bushings always blow out quick whether you run tight, med or loose trucks. deserve to have there own overrated thread, that's just my opinion though. Others will swear by them.[close]
one of my coworkers at my local shop ran the indy hard bushings in his thunders, he rides super tight trucks, and he seemed to love em.
we commonly sell the bones bushings but we constantly hear about them blowing out, however Ive never heard complaints about the wide range of Indy bushings we have sold, people seem to prefer them once they try them.
personally i found that the stock bushings in any of the truck brands i have rode (thunder, indy, ace) at a medium tightness have worked like a dream.[close]
I have the 92a conical Indy bushings in my thunders and I’m enjoying it. I prefer stock but they was busted and I had the 92a new just never used cause I don’t care for conical but it’s nice. Flat bottom washer from bones
how would you say they turn compared to stock bushings? i prefer to ride looser trucks, so the quick responsive/twitchy turn matters more to me than having more stability.Expand Quotewhat's the deal with bones bushings on thunders? i've put a set in before for them to blow out after a month or two, but that's how thunders just tend to be.
any advice on increasing the longevity of them?
(i would get thunder bushings but no shops seem to stock them)[close]
There's a bunch of Thunder bushings in stock on paradeworld:
https://www.paradeworld.com/brands/thunder-trucks/c/skateboards/bushings/ (https://www.paradeworld.com/brands/thunder-trucks/c/skateboards/bushings/)
Thunder bushings always crack and blow out for me (probably due to the low temperates here). Krux bottom bushings are the exact same height as the Thunders and have lasted me a long time. They're also cheaper and don't harden up in the cold.
how would you say they turn compared to stock bushings? i prefer to ride looser trucks, so the quick responsive/twitchy turn matters more to me than having more stability.Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhat's the deal with bones bushings on thunders? i've put a set in before for them to blow out after a month or two, but that's how thunders just tend to be.
any advice on increasing the longevity of them?
(i would get thunder bushings but no shops seem to stock them)[close]
There's a bunch of Thunder bushings in stock on paradeworld:
https://www.paradeworld.com/brands/thunder-trucks/c/skateboards/bushings/ (https://www.paradeworld.com/brands/thunder-trucks/c/skateboards/bushings/)
Thunder bushings always crack and blow out for me (probably due to the low temperates here). Krux bottom bushings are the exact same height as the Thunders and have lasted me a long time. They're also cheaper and don't harden up in the cold.[close]
Expand QuoteOKAY so first time slap poster here but this is driving me insane. Ive ridden thunder 149s for the past 3 trucks always black kingpin black washers blue bushings, and then today i received my newest pair. They have black washers blue bushings like always but then the kingpin is now silver which has never happened and also on the back lf the truck u can see the kingpin is like pushed in more so maybe this truck will feel different? Idk just wondering if anyone has the same trucks as i do right now or if i just got a weird/fake pair.
(https://i.ibb.co/N1W6tZZ/70855123-4-B96-4-D13-9-AAA-015361884257.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N1W6tZZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/KqYyMwG/4231-A4-C0-4073-4629-9986-B3771-D7284-C0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KqYyMwG)
(https://i.ibb.co/Q9JWPn9/614-C415-A-856-F-4-FA2-A5-F9-D4-E43-B65025-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q9JWPn9)[close]Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLooks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.
(https://i.ibb.co/VHXK7sx/B7-CABE16-B98-D-4-A85-BF9-F-A400292-EF222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VHXK7sx)[close]
I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.[close]
I dm’d and got this response pretty quickly. DLX is awesome.(https://i.ibb.co/KhPpNH0/1-D7-AA228-C875-4194-87-B9-3-DD6-D0618702.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KhPpNH0)[close]
148s are 8.25 wide…
You could easily have fixed it with these Thrasher branded Sharpies... ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/W6Mjhj7/suciu-thunders.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W6Mjhj7)
suciu running IKPs, hope to see Thunder actually release them eventually
His wheels do look like they’re on the bigger side.Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/W6Mjhj7/suciu-thunders.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W6Mjhj7)
suciu running IKPs, hope to see Thunder actually release them eventually[close]
Serious wheelbite.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotestick to stock as much as you can, bones bushings always blow out quick whether you run tight, med or loose trucks. deserve to have there own overrated thread, that's just my opinion though. Others will swear by them.[close]
one of my coworkers at my local shop ran the indy hard bushings in his thunders, he rides super tight trucks, and he seemed to love em.
we commonly sell the bones bushings but we constantly hear about them blowing out, however Ive never heard complaints about the wide range of Indy bushings we have sold, people seem to prefer them once they try them.
personally i found that the stock bushings in any of the truck brands i have rode (thunder, indy, ace) at a medium tightness have worked like a dream.[close]
I have the 92a conical Indy bushings in my thunders and I’m enjoying it. I prefer stock but they was busted and I had the 92a new just never used cause I don’t care for conical but it’s nice. Flat bottom washer from bones[close]
yeah the only complaint Ive heard was the shape of the Indy bushings fitting weird in some trucks, and the Indy bushings are a bit bigger than the thunder ones which I'd imagine could be weird depending on the tightness of the trucks
Expand QuoteThunder's seem to be the only trucks that don't work well for me in cold weather. I live in Vancouver, which is pretty mild compared to the rest of Canada. The bushings just harden right up. Never had this issue with Indy's.[close]
Complete opposite for me, I usually ride indy bushings(88/90) in my thunders after the stock ones crumble, but they always freeze. Got some new thunder 90a bushings and while they do get harder outside, they never feel like rocks.
I might try ace bushings in thunders next, bottom seems to be the same size. (Indy bottoms are 1mm smaller)
any thunder riders here grinded down to the axle? mine are starting to get some (albeit shallow) grooves, i was wondering what the timeframe is for it to happen.
thanks for that, i've been on a set of thunders for a little over a year now. only started slappies in the past 3 months, and they've worn about double what they had before in a quarter of the time!Expand Quoteany thunder riders here grinded down to the axle? mine are starting to get some (albeit shallow) grooves, i was wondering what the timeframe is for it to happen.[close]
If you are skating normally, not crusty raw concrete curbs or pool coping, Thunders usually last a good while, but as they are a thinner metal on the hanger than some other trucks, they don't last as long on the crusty stuff and can be eaten to axle in a week on really raw grinds, but that was more just seeing how quick they could go through them.
I still have some from years ago that people skated to axle then took off and they still skate fine, although the flat grinded surface is more a pain than the newer thinner fresh truck feel.
So overall, from a week to many years, going both opposites of the scale. Most of the guys I know go through trucks within a year, or at least swap them out when they start to feel too worn down, often about 3 to 6 months minimum really.
I ride titanium Thunders for this very reason. I usually grind down to the axle in 4-6 months but I usually have at least another 4-6 months before they break. Hollows break/bend much quicker.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteany thunder riders here grinded down to the axle? mine are starting to get some (albeit shallow) grooves, i was wondering what the timeframe is for it to happen.[close]
If you are skating normally, not crusty raw concrete curbs or pool coping, Thunders usually last a good while, but as they are a thinner metal on the hanger than some other trucks, they don't last as long on the crusty stuff and can be eaten to axle in a week on really raw grinds, but that was more just seeing how quick they could go through them.
I still have some from years ago that people skated to axle then took off and they still skate fine, although the flat grinded surface is more a pain than the newer thinner fresh truck feel.
So overall, from a week to many years, going both opposites of the scale. Most of the guys I know go through trucks within a year, or at least swap them out when they start to feel too worn down, often about 3 to 6 months minimum really.[close]
thanks for that, i've been on a set of thunders for a little over a year now. only started slappies in the past 3 months, and they've worn about double what they had before in a quarter of the time!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThunder's seem to be the only trucks that don't work well for me in cold weather. I live in Vancouver, which is pretty mild compared to the rest of Canada. The bushings just harden right up. Never had this issue with Indy's.[close]
Complete opposite for me, I usually ride indy bushings(88/90) in my thunders after the stock ones crumble, but they always freeze. Got some new thunder 90a bushings and while they do get harder outside, they never feel like rocks.
I might try ace bushings in thunders next, bottom seems to be the same size. (Indy bottoms are 1mm smaller)[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/EAMeLGI.jpg)
I went back and reread the entire thread just looking for ideas to get over the creaky Thunder bushings since Houston has finally had some cold days. Put some worn-in Ace barrels (and Ace bottom washer) in the 151s and they have done way better in the cold. They are soft enough to not feel hard even if they’re still tightening some and have minimal squeak. Turn is similar to stock conical at first but as you get to the point where they usually collapse into wheelbite, it eases you in instead. For heavier people, these or a similar height soft barrel that fits in the yoke might be the answer to riding thunders without having to step up bushing hardness. I’m about to order a grip of bushings and give in to the madness a little.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThunder's seem to be the only trucks that don't work well for me in cold weather. I live in Vancouver, which is pretty mild compared to the rest of Canada. The bushings just harden right up. Never had this issue with Indy's.[close]
Complete opposite for me, I usually ride indy bushings(88/90) in my thunders after the stock ones crumble, but they always freeze. Got some new thunder 90a bushings and while they do get harder outside, they never feel like rocks.
I might try ace bushings in thunders next, bottom seems to be the same size. (Indy bottoms are 1mm smaller)[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/EAMeLGI.jpg)
I went back and reread the entire thread just looking for ideas to get over the creaky Thunder bushings since Houston has finally had some cold days. Put some worn-in Ace barrels (and Ace bottom washer) in the 151s and they have done way better in the cold. They are soft enough to not feel hard even if they’re still tightening some and have minimal squeak. Turn is similar to stock conical at first but as you get to the point where they usually collapse into wheelbite, it eases you in instead. For heavier people, these or a similar height soft barrel that fits in the yoke might be the answer to riding thunders without having to step up bushing hardness. I’m about to order a grip of bushings and give in to the madness a little.[close]
Interesting!
Has anybody tried shaving down ace bushings a bit to fit thunders and all other trucks better? These are the best bushings ever and I'd love to have them in all trucks. I'm curious what ace bottom bushing in the shape of a thunder bottom would feel like. I want to try it but ace bushings are so precious to me because I can't buy them anywhere around me.
Edit: Just tried the new royal bushings in my thunders, the bottom is the same size but the top is too big. These bushings are just as good as ace.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CYRzL1xviO7/?utm_medium=copy_link
In the comments Axle says he’s riding 8.375 with Thunder 149 and 56mm wheels. Kingpin looks flush. No risers either. That’s a pretty good size wheel for a 52mm high truck.
Just set up some 148 team hollows and I was shocked at how well they turned. I had a set of 147 lights a couple of years ago that didn't turn anywhere near as well and gave me a lot of wheel bite due to the lower height.
I'm absolutely loving these 148s. Perfect height and weight, and they grind fucking well.
I weigh 160-165 at 6 foot 3 and noticed both of my Thunder ti hangers have bent axles. I don’t skate much other than a curb and some ankle to knee height ledges and low transition so it’s pretty surprising.
I weigh 160-165 at 6 foot 3 and noticed both of my Thunder ti hangers have bent axles. I don’t skate much other than a curb and some ankle to knee height ledges and low transition so it’s pretty surprising.
Has anyone put their Ti Thunders on a diet? Brand new my 149's weighed ~335 grams. Got them down to ~305 which is less than Tensor ATGs (which claims they're 30% lighter than every other truck on the market). Hoping to get sub 300 when 3/8 Ti washers arrive. Not that it matters, just a weird project.
Expand QuoteHas anyone put their Ti Thunders on a diet? Brand new my 149's weighed ~335 grams. Got them down to ~305 which is less than Tensor ATGs (which claims they're 30% lighter than every other truck on the market). Hoping to get sub 300 when 3/8 Ti washers arrive. Not that it matters, just a weird project.[close]
How?
Does it help?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone put their Ti Thunders on a diet? Brand new my 149's weighed ~335 grams. Got them down to ~305 which is less than Tensor ATGs (which claims they're 30% lighter than every other truck on the market). Hoping to get sub 300 when 3/8 Ti washers arrive. Not that it matters, just a weird project.[close]
How?
Does it help?[close]
Knocked out the old kingpins and popped on some titanium nuts and titanium kingpins. Planning on drilling out the baseplates for too, because fuck it, why not, I'm bored and it's raining outside.
It's only a 60-gram difference, but it's noticeable. Feels like you can pop over anything, and the board doesn't hurt too bad when it smacks your shins. The total weight is 5 pounds 1 oz with a 32 x 8.5 deck and ~50mm radial slims.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone put their Ti Thunders on a diet? Brand new my 149's weighed ~335 grams. Got them down to ~305 which is less than Tensor ATGs (which claims they're 30% lighter than every other truck on the market). Hoping to get sub 300 when 3/8 Ti washers arrive. Not that it matters, just a weird project.[close]
How?
Does it help?[close]
Knocked out the old kingpins and popped on some titanium nuts and titanium kingpins. Planning on drilling out the baseplates for too, because fuck it, why not, I'm bored and it's raining outside.
It's only a 60-gram difference, but it's noticeable. Feels like you can pop over anything, and the board doesn't hurt too bad when it smacks your shins. The total weight is 5 pounds 1 oz with a 32 x 8.5 deck and ~50mm radial slims.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone put their Ti Thunders on a diet? Brand new my 149's weighed ~335 grams. Got them down to ~305 which is less than Tensor ATGs (which claims they're 30% lighter than every other truck on the market). Hoping to get sub 300 when 3/8 Ti washers arrive. Not that it matters, just a weird project.[close]
How?
Does it help?[close]
Knocked out the old kingpins and popped on some titanium nuts and titanium kingpins. Planning on drilling out the baseplates for too, because fuck it, why not, I'm bored and it's raining outside.
It's only a 60-gram difference, but it's noticeable. Feels like you can pop over anything, and the board doesn't hurt too bad when it smacks your shins. The total weight is 5 pounds 1 oz with a 32 x 8.5 deck and ~50mm radial slims.[close]
Imagine if you started with 149 Titaniums like the set I have, 310gr each, stock and new.
Has anyone put their Ti Thunders on a diet? Brand new my 149's weighed ~335 grams. Got them down to ~305 which is less than Tensor ATGs (which claims they're 30% lighter than every other truck on the market). Hoping to get sub 300 when 3/8 Ti washers arrive. Not that it matters, just a weird project.That’s with the same race car bolts you had in another set of trucks?
Expand QuoteI weigh 160-165 at 6 foot 3 and noticed both of my Thunder ti hangers have bent axles. I don’t skate much other than a curb and some ankle to knee height ledges and low transition so it’s pretty surprising.[close]
I noticed curbs will always bend my axles (thunders or otherwise) but I've never tried TI hangers. I would think those would avoid the bending more.
Every time Thunder put out a wider truck, I get super intrigued. I have no need for 10" trucks but can't wait to see what the 181s look like. Still haven't tried 161s...
(https://i.imgur.com/PmNf515l.png?1)
300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.
Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/PmNf515l.png?1)
300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.[close]
It's really weird to me that your titaniums started off so heavy. Where's all that mass? My titaniums (148) were around 305g new.
According to skatedeluxe, the 149 hollow lights are 324g. Titaniums should definitely be lighter
Oh, I didn’t realize this was in the Thunder baseplates, I figured those other plates you were modding maybe helped get it lighter. Can I see a pic of the baseplate/nut side or are they already set up?Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/PmNf515l.png?1)
300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.[close]
It's really weird to me that your titaniums started off so heavy. Where's all that mass? My titaniums (148) were around 305g new.
According to skatedeluxe, the 149 hollow lights are 324g. Titaniums should definitely be lighter[close]
I'm guessing the hanger has more meat for some reason, as the baseplates only weigh 70 grams each. But I don't understand it either.
Oh, I didn’t realize this was in the Thunder baseplates, I figured those other plates you were modding maybe helped get it lighter. Can I see a pic of the baseplate/nut side or are they already set up?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/PmNf515l.png?1)
300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.[close]
It's really weird to me that your titaniums started off so heavy. Where's all that mass? My titaniums (148) were around 305g new.
According to skatedeluxe, the 149 hollow lights are 324g. Titaniums should definitely be lighter[close]
I'm guessing the hanger has more meat for some reason, as the baseplates only weigh 70 grams each. But I don't understand it either.[close]
It’s cool. I’ve been at the stage where the race car bolts just have their own permanent browser tab for a month or two now. Probably have a couple more before I take it to the next level. And I don’t even know what that level is.Expand QuoteOh, I didn’t realize this was in the Thunder baseplates, I figured those other plates you were modding maybe helped get it lighter. Can I see a pic of the baseplate/nut side or are they already set up?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/PmNf515l.png?1)
300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.[close]
It's really weird to me that your titaniums started off so heavy. Where's all that mass? My titaniums (148) were around 305g new.
According to skatedeluxe, the 149 hollow lights are 324g. Titaniums should definitely be lighter[close]
I'm guessing the hanger has more meat for some reason, as the baseplates only weigh 70 grams each. But I don't understand it either.[close][close]
I set them up already. :(
It’s cool. I’ve been at the stage where the race car bolts just have their own permanent browser tab for a month or two now. Probably have a couple more before I take it to the next level. And I don’t even know what that level is.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOh, I didn’t realize this was in the Thunder baseplates, I figured those other plates you were modding maybe helped get it lighter. Can I see a pic of the baseplate/nut side or are they already set up?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/PmNf515l.png?1)
300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.[close]
It's really weird to me that your titaniums started off so heavy. Where's all that mass? My titaniums (148) were around 305g new.
According to skatedeluxe, the 149 hollow lights are 324g. Titaniums should definitely be lighter[close]
I'm guessing the hanger has more meat for some reason, as the baseplates only weigh 70 grams each. But I don't understand it either.[close][close]
I set them up already. :([close]
(https://i.imgur.com/PmNf515l.png?1)
300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.
If all else fails DM DLX/Thunder, they have pretty good customer service and may be able to help. I barely got the kingpin out of my cast plates…
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300 and 302 grams. So close to sub 300. I tried drilling out the baseplates but the material was much harder than Indy forged plates, not worth the effort without a drill press.[close]
Ditch the baseplate and kingpin to shed more wieght :v
https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cbn5MlqN9Sr/?utm_medium=copy_link
Expand QuoteIf all else fails DM DLX/Thunder, they have pretty good customer service and may be able to help. I barely got the kingpin out of my cast plates…[close]
Yeah man I'm not looking forward to hammering it out tbh, think it'll be a vice and centre punch job. That splined section looks like it's pretty well in there.
If all else fails DM DLX/Thunder, they have pretty good customer service and may be able to help. I barely got the kingpin out of my cast plates…
Are baseplates interchangeable? I have 147s, 148s, 149s. 2 are hollow/forged, 1 cast. The front does change thru the size range…
Expand QuoteAre baseplates interchangeable? I have 147s, 148s, 149s. 2 are hollow/forged, 1 cast. The front does change thru the size range…[close]
Baseplate should be interchangeable. I’ve never noticed a difference with the front of the baseplates between sizes but I will check it out when I’m in the shop tomorrow.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre baseplates interchangeable? I have 147s, 148s, 149s. 2 are hollow/forged, 1 cast. The front does change thru the size range…[close]
Baseplate should be interchangeable. I’ve never noticed a difference with the front of the baseplates between sizes but I will check it out when I’m in the shop tomorrow.[close]
At work right now. Just matched up baseplates across different sizes and everything is the exact same ( with the exception of forged vs cast). Mix and match as you like as long as both baseplates are either cast or forged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkjyz3jPrf4
thunder 181 in this Stock Report
Any update on the ikp for Thunder?
I saw some time back in this thread that Suciu and Ishod (maybe others too) were skating ikp, so expected it to come out...did I miss it?
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Any update on the ikp for Thunder?
I saw some time back in this thread that Suciu and Ishod (maybe others too) were skating ikp, so expected it to come out...did I miss it?[close]
I haven't seen anything about it from any of them, but the most recent set of Thunder team editions I saw have the hex head hole in the baseplate, which should make it a whole lot easier to fit them, for those who are so inclined.
Note: Others had posted pics of this earlier in this thread too - just a bit too tired and late now to dig up the link - but there aren't that many pages to go back through.
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Any update on the ikp for Thunder?
I saw some time back in this thread that Suciu and Ishod (maybe others too) were skating ikp, so expected it to come out...did I miss it?[close]
I haven't seen anything about it from any of them, but the most recent set of Thunder team editions I saw have the hex head hole in the baseplate, which should make it a whole lot easier to fit them, for those who are so inclined.
Note: Others had posted pics of this earlier in this thread too - just a bit too tired and late now to dig up the link - but there aren't that many pages to go back through.[close]
Yeah, I remember those pics that the OG plate had slightly changed to fit a hexnut. But goddam are those Thunder kingpins hard to getout! I just figured that if two Thunder SOTYs are skating ikp that Thunder was going to release them as a ready product. Maybe it’s still in development, guess we’ll see.
I might have found a solution to the more meat on the baseplate problem, just buy some cheap element trucks
If someone made a tool to remove kingpins, I'd buy one! I reckon they would make a killing. Like adding a axle re thredder to the skate tool. Just handy things to haveThat pitman arm puller is about as good as you’re going to do. You don’t need an impact either. A way to hold the baseplate or body of the puller and a wrench for the forcing screw.
That pitman arm puller is about as good as you’re going to do. You don’t need an impact either. A way to hold the baseplate or body of the puller and a wrench for the forcing screw.Expand QuoteIf someone made a tool to remove kingpins, I'd buy one! I reckon they would make a killing. Like adding a axle re thredder to the skate tool. Just handy things to have[close]
I may have been a bit too vague with my post, i'm talking about "frankentrucking" and using the element baseplate with a thunder hanger...Expand QuoteI might have found a solution to the more meat on the baseplate problem, just buy some cheap element trucks[close]
55mm Conical Wide wheels on Thunder light 148 and my baseplate still drags on nose and tail slides. I don’t see the Thunder Baseplate as an issue. The lack of grind clearance on those Element trucks is disturbing.
I may have been a bit too vague with my post, i'm talking about "frankentrucking" and using the element baseplate with a thunder hanger...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI might have found a solution to the more meat on the baseplate problem, just buy some cheap element trucks[close]
55mm Conical Wide wheels on Thunder light 148 and my baseplate still drags on nose and tail slides. I don’t see the Thunder Baseplate as an issue. The lack of grind clearance on those Element trucks is disturbing.[close]
I might be the only person on earth that slides better on Thunder
Expand QuoteI may have been a bit too vague with my post, i'm talking about "frankentrucking" and using the element baseplate with a thunder hanger...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI might have found a solution to the more meat on the baseplate problem, just buy some cheap element trucks[close]
55mm Conical Wide wheels on Thunder light 148 and my baseplate still drags on nose and tail slides. I don’t see the Thunder Baseplate as an issue. The lack of grind clearance on those Element trucks is disturbing.[close][close]
We know what you meant.
I really don’t see an issue with the Thunder baseplate though. A proper technique means no sticking.
Slightly off topic and maybe more appropriate for the Scrape Report thread, but I have a weird thing about scrapes being too far away from the nose or tail. Something just looks..... wrong when there's a lot of untouched deck between the baseplate and the scrape marks.
Slightly off topic and maybe more appropriate for the Scrape Report thread, but I have a weird thing about scrapes being too far away from the nose or tail. Something just looks..... wrong when there's a lot of untouched deck between the baseplate and the scrape marks.
I'm in the camp that all nose/tail slides should be done as close to the baseplate as possible. Now, this isn't including the one-offs you get away with that you're not locked in, but in general.
Thunders don't have the best baseplate to slide ratio, but I know many people still manage to make their technique work on em. I'm considering trying a pair of Thunders again on alt setup (Chocolate Couch shape) and some STFs. That tiny WB is no good with my Indys that I usually run.
I have the 9.25" Couch, would 151s be just fine?
Can anybody tell me if there is any rhyme or reason to the Thunder baseplates having "Team" or the lightning bolt on them?
At first I thought Teams had "Team" stamped on them and forged baseplates had the lightning bolt stamped on them. Then I was looking at this catalog https://www.thundertrucks.com/summer-2021/ (https://www.thundertrucks.com/summer-2021/) and noticed that in the pic, the OG Grenade trucks have "Team" on one baseplate and the lightning bolt on the other. I have these trucks, so I just went and looked at them and they both have the lightning bolt on them. But even weirder, they have the lightning bolt on opposite sides...One truck the bolt is on the left, one truck the bolt is on the right, so when setup on a board the bolts are on the same side.
Can anybody tell me if there is any rhyme or reason to the Thunder baseplates having "Team" or the lightning bolt on them?
At first I thought Teams had "Team" stamped on them and forged baseplates had the lightning bolt stamped on them. Then I was looking at this catalog https://www.thundertrucks.com/summer-2021/ (https://www.thundertrucks.com/summer-2021/) and noticed that in the pic, the OG Grenade trucks have "Team" on one baseplate and the lightning bolt on the other. I have these trucks, so I just went and looked at them and they both have the lightning bolt on them. But even weirder, they have the lightning bolt on opposite sides...One truck the bolt is on the left, one truck the bolt is on the right, so when setup on a board the bolts are on the same side.
Expand QuoteCan anybody tell me if there is any rhyme or reason to the Thunder baseplates having "Team" or the lightning bolt on them?
At first I thought Teams had "Team" stamped on them and forged baseplates had the lightning bolt stamped on them. Then I was looking at this catalog https://www.thundertrucks.com/summer-2021/ (https://www.thundertrucks.com/summer-2021/) and noticed that in the pic, the OG Grenade trucks have "Team" on one baseplate and the lightning bolt on the other. I have these trucks, so I just went and looked at them and they both have the lightning bolt on them. But even weirder, they have the lightning bolt on opposite sides...One truck the bolt is on the left, one truck the bolt is on the right, so when setup on a board the bolts are on the same side.[close]
There is not much to it, the cast baseplate molds are modular so they can mix and match 4 different little blocks in them to change the markings or swap them from one side to the other when manufacturing: 'Thunder', 'Team', the lightning bolt or three lines.
As far as I can tell, they're mostly random when they cast them but once at the assembly line, given availability, they try to have those with 'Team' on them for Team trucks and the basic standards trucks usually have 'Thunder' on one side and the lightning bolt on the other.
Given they make batches with the same markings, having one truck with the markings on the opposite sides from the other truck like you have probably means they weren't manufactured at the same time and come from two different batches.
Whatever markings they have doesn't mean much though, they're all the same baseplates functionally.
The forged baseplates though are all the same with 'Thunder' on one side and the lightning bolt on the other.
Yeah it seems to be pretty random. I rock the 148s Teams on my normal board and have the team on one and the lighting bolt on the other. While on the team 161s I have on my cruiser have lightnings on both baseplates.
Hell yeah man, I just love how Thunders skate. Ive tried other brands and Ive skated them no problem and they were really good but Thunders just feel like home to me.Expand QuoteYeah it seems to be pretty random. I rock the 148s Teams on my normal board and have the team on one and the lighting bolt on the other. While on the team 161s I have on my cruiser have lightnings on both baseplates.[close]
My dude out here. I respect the same truck brand across the quiver
Finally got the kingpins out of these thunder polished baseplates. Gonna install a k5 dlk, just waiting 24h for the loctite to set on the kingnutThose are the forged? If so, good job! What’s the trick?
(https://i.ibb.co/v42BhzN/PXL-20220422-234748014-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v42BhzN)
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Those are the forged? If so, good job! What’s the trick?Expand QuoteFinally got the kingpins out of these thunder polished baseplates. Gonna install a k5 dlk, just waiting 24h for the loctite to set on the kingnut
(https://i.ibb.co/v42BhzN/PXL-20220422-234748014-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v42BhzN)
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Those are the forged? If so, good job! What’s the trick?Expand QuoteFinally got the kingpins out of these thunder polished baseplates. Gonna install a k5 dlk, just waiting 24h for the loctite to set on the kingnut
(https://i.ibb.co/v42BhzN/PXL-20220422-234748014-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v42BhzN)
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I’m loving my 147s with kreper pins.
Expand QuoteThose are the forged? If so, good job! What’s the trick?Expand QuoteFinally got the kingpins out of these thunder polished baseplates. Gonna install a k5 dlk, just waiting 24h for the loctite to set on the kingnut
(https://i.ibb.co/v42BhzN/PXL-20220422-234748014-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v42BhzN)
(https://i.ibb.co/zN4wbbp/PXL-20220422-234737497-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zN4wbbp)[close][close]
The pitman arm puller in the photo? (go back a page)
The kingpins came out of my forged Thunder baseplates quite easily. Sprayed some penetrating oil and let them sit for a few hours before beating a 12oz hammer on the kingpin while the baseplates were on concrete; with my foot holding it in place. The top of the kingpins were peened out from the hammering so the kingpins had to be hack sawed in half.
Expand QuoteThe kingpins came out of my forged Thunder baseplates quite easily. Sprayed some penetrating oil and let them sit for a few hours before beating a 12oz hammer on the kingpin while the baseplates were on concrete; with my foot holding it in place. The top of the kingpins were peened out from the hammering so the kingpins had to be hack sawed in half.[close]
You definitely get the star for the penetrating oil as that is probably what many others should have used before as well. Is it just a drip on or a spray application?
I normally suggest keeping a nut on the kingpin, ever so slightly sitting just above the kingpin top, usually an old one too, so the nut takes most of the force and the kingpin once loose can just have the nut removed and will slip straight out as well as being able to be reused in any situation again, while the nut can pretty much go straight in the bin, or be used on the other baseplate or for any other similar projects if not completely smashed.
* I never want to sound like old Mr know it all, as I really value a lot of amazing things I have read and seen on here too, so just in case that comes across as a bit that way, it is never meant to be.
Finally got the kingpins out of these thunder polished baseplates. Gonna install a k5 dlk, just waiting 24h for the loctite to set on the kingnut
(https://i.ibb.co/v42BhzN/PXL-20220422-234748014-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v42BhzN)
(https://i.ibb.co/zN4wbbp/PXL-20220422-234737497-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zN4wbbp)
Expand QuoteThe kingpins came out of my forged Thunder baseplates quite easily. Sprayed some penetrating oil and let them sit for a few hours before beating a 12oz hammer on the kingpin while the baseplates were on concrete; with my foot holding it in place. The top of the kingpins were peened out from the hammering so the kingpins had to be hack sawed in half.[close]
You definitely get the star for the penetrating oil as that is probably what many others should have used before as well. Is it just a drip on or a spray application?
I normally suggest keeping a nut on the kingpin, ever so slightly sitting just above the kingpin top, usually an old one too, so the nut takes most of the force and the kingpin once loose can just have the nut removed and will slip straight out as well as being able to be reused in any situation again, while the nut can pretty much go straight in the bin, or be used on the other baseplate or for any other similar projects if not completely smashed.
* I never want to sound like old Mr know it all, as I really value a lot of amazing things I have read and seen on here too, so just in case that comes across as a bit that way, it is never meant to be.
That’s a great tip to use the penetrating oil. Did you make an inverted kingpin setup? I’m wondering if the inverted nut that would be sitting in the baseplate has enough room in the forged. If not, it would be possible to use a Dremel on the deck and make room for it in the same way many make their wheel wells.
I read in the Lurpiv thread that some people were putting the Ace rethreading axle nuts to keep it from coming loose. Would the Ace kingpin rethreading nuts work the same? I enjoyed my k5 DLKs in my thunders but they got loose every session (didn’t use locktite) so I’m just curious if anyone thinks those ace nuts would do the trick here too.
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Quick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D
Quick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D
Expand QuoteQuick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D[close]
What terrain and how tight do you ride your trucks?
I won't go past 53 on cast plates / 52 on Forged (not counting risers); I ride very loose and even then the 52 are pushing it with as much as they wheelbite for me.
Expand QuoteQuick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D[close]
What terrain and how tight do you ride your trucks?
I won't go past 53 on cast plates / 52 on Forged (not counting risers); I ride very loose and even then the 52 are pushing it with as much as they wheelbite for me.
Expand QuoteQuick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D[close]
From my regular go to - 149 Indy standards with medium / loose trucks on 56 mm wheels and great turn with minimal issues, I find anything else in the other big brands truck department tends to give me a bit more wheelbite on even significantly smaller wheels, but a 2 mm riser (made my own from some scrap rubber sheeting) on Thunders really makes me feel like I don't have to worry at all about wheelbite on my Team 149s. You could use any 1/8" stock risers to make them have the same clearance as Indy standard trucks, but I found that most risers stick out or don't fit the truck baseplates that well, even the older universal or plastic Thunder risers I had in the misc parts box are a fair bit bigger, but the Bones / Mini logo are about the best fit to not stick out at all or sit just ever so slightly under the baseplate, or make some of your own.
As for the actual question, on stock Thunders without risers, I think around 52 mm wheels worked well enough with minimal wheelbite on a few sets I had on set ups and skated, but the Thunder trucks are significantly lower than Indy and I kept going to turn a whole lot more than I was able until I adjusted how I skated them, more so than change the board to suit how I wanted to or was used to skating.
That is the trade off.
If you like bigger wheels, I would suggest making your own risers to test. You can always take them off or experiment with things until you find some happy medium too.
Thunder are a really good truck, but they perform so differently to Indy, or Venture or Ace, etc.
Has another skated both 147s and 148s on the same width deck ( 8.25 ) and noticed much or a difference? The same model truck too, or at least the height the same. Just wondering how much the width really affects things
(because I have more parts than tricks)
Expand QuoteHas another skated both 147s and 148s on the same width deck ( 8.25 ) and noticed much or a difference? The same model truck too, or at least the height the same. Just wondering how much the width really affects things[close]
Well I have (because I have more parts than tricks). Both are good. 147s are lower, which is both good and bad
Quick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.For what it’s worth I ride Thunders pretty loose and have been skating 56’s for a few months now without an issue. No risers and I’m also on the heavier side compared to most other street skaters. I’m probably gonna switch to a smaller wheel soon, but it has nothing to do with wheelbite or anything like that
Thanks! ;D
For what it’s worth I ride Thunders pretty loose and have been skating 56’s for a few months now without an issue. No risers and I’m also on the heavier side compared to most other street skaters. I’m probably gonna switch to a smaller wheel soon, but it has nothing to do with wheelbite or anything like thatExpand QuoteQuick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D[close]
I wish DLX would put some better stock bushings in. The stock ones feel decent but mine just broke after about a month and a half of skating, with the king pin nut flush. I weigh about 190 so that could play a part but damn.email them through their warranty section on the thunder website. Just send a video or pic of your crumbled bushings and a receipt of where you got them. They may even hook it up with new trucks or at least replacement bushings.
Just put in some new medium Indy Conical bushings because I've had success with those before. Bones are never a good idea (for me).
email them through their warranty section on the thunder website. Just send a video or pic of your crumbled bushings and a receipt of where you got them. They may even hook it up with new trucks or at least replacement bushings.Expand QuoteI wish DLX would put some better stock bushings in. The stock ones feel decent but mine just broke after about a month and a half of skating, with the king pin nut flush. I weigh about 190 so that could play a part but damn.
Just put in some new medium Indy Conical bushings because I've had success with those before. Bones are never a good idea (for me).[close]
Quick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D
For what it’s worth I ride Thunders pretty loose and have been skating 56’s for a few months now without an issue. No risers and I’m also on the heavier side compared to most other street skaters. I’m probably gonna switch to a smaller wheel soon, but it has nothing to do with wheelbite or anything like thatExpand QuoteQuick question, what would be the biggest size wheels you guys would recommend on Thunders? Coming from Indys (and Ace classics before that) I usually ride anything between 54 and 56 without issue, I have a set of 55mm spit classics on ice and I'm thinking of replacing my cooked indys with Thunder 149s to switch it up for this summer. Haven't been on Thunders in about 4-5 years, I used to ride them with 53 back then, but I think it would be silly to buy new wheels when I have a brand new set already. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine with 55s, but I wanted you guys' opinion on the matter.
Thanks! ;D[close]
I would often run 54s on Thunder 149s a lot and got by just fine. I feel like at a certain point wheelbite is just part of the process if you skate looser trucks.
I'm on Indys right now but I might switch back. Can't quite put my finger on it but I just don't feel like myself on my setup right now lol
Expand QuoteI would often run 54s on Thunder 149s a lot and got by just fine. I feel like at a certain point wheelbite is just part of the process if you skate looser trucks.
I'm on Indys right now but I might switch back. Can't quite put my finger on it but I just don't feel like myself on my setup right now lol[close]
Haha that's exactly how I feel too. I've been on indys for a year now and I'm still waiting to "get used to them". I love how they grind, especially compared to ace classics, but other things I feel like I did better on thunders.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI would often run 54s on Thunder 149s a lot and got by just fine. I feel like at a certain point wheelbite is just part of the process if you skate looser trucks.
I'm on Indys right now but I might switch back. Can't quite put my finger on it but I just don't feel like myself on my setup right now lol[close]
Haha that's exactly how I feel too. I've been on indys for a year now and I'm still waiting to "get used to them". I love how they grind, especially compared to ace classics, but other things I feel like I did better on thunders.[close]
Glad I'm not alone, haha. I have no specific complaints about my Indys. Mine grind well, turn well, all that, but I just don't feel like I'm skating very well on them. Whereas I've mostly skated Thunders and I remember my last session on Thunders being especially good.
And I know this is crazy, but they're both the same size but my Indys just look smaller to me even though I know they're not.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI would often run 54s on Thunder 149s a lot and got by just fine. I feel like at a certain point wheelbite is just part of the process if you skate looser trucks.
I'm on Indys right now but I might switch back. Can't quite put my finger on it but I just don't feel like myself on my setup right now lol[close]
Haha that's exactly how I feel too. I've been on indys for a year now and I'm still waiting to "get used to them". I love how they grind, especially compared to ace classics, but other things I feel like I did better on thunders.[close]
Glad I'm not alone, haha. I have no specific complaints about my Indys. Mine grind well, turn well, all that, but I just don't feel like I'm skating very well on them. Whereas I've mostly skated Thunders and I remember my last session on Thunders being especially good.
And I know this is crazy, but they're both the same size but my Indys just look smaller to me even though I know they're not.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI would often run 54s on Thunder 149s a lot and got by just fine. I feel like at a certain point wheelbite is just part of the process if you skate looser trucks.
I'm on Indys right now but I might switch back. Can't quite put my finger on it but I just don't feel like myself on my setup right now lol[close]
Haha that's exactly how I feel too. I've been on indys for a year now and I'm still waiting to "get used to them". I love how they grind, especially compared to ace classics, but other things I feel like I did better on thunders.[close]
Glad I'm not alone, haha. I have no specific complaints about my Indys. Mine grind well, turn well, all that, but I just don't feel like I'm skating very well on them. Whereas I've mostly skated Thunders and I remember my last session on Thunders being especially good.
And I know this is crazy, but they're both the same size but my Indys just look smaller to me even though I know they're not.
I keep going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth between Indy and Thunder for like 2 years now. Yesterday I stupidly put Thunders on an old deck that I wasn’t feeling and was blown away. Great session and everything felt easier than normal and I was convinced I was better on them.
Today I went out with both my setups and the margins were a lot thinner. Basically was doing the same shit on both setups and my Indy setup is a bit longer. In the end I have better pop on Indy and have mostly been on them for the better part of 8 months in some variation or another. So I made the rash decision to leave my Thunders at the spot. I kinda regret it but I also got suuuuper sick of the madness and in the end it’s so marginal that it’s probably me just second guessing myself on a bad day.
I keep going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth between Indy and Thunder for like 2 years now. Yesterday I stupidly put Thunders on an old deck that I wasn’t feeling and was blown away. Great session and everything felt easier than normal and I was convinced I was better on them.
Today I went out with both my setups and the margins were a lot thinner. Basically was doing the same shit on both setups and my Indy setup is a bit longer. In the end I have better pop on Indy and have mostly been on them for the better part of 8 months in some variation or another. So I made the rash decision to leave my Thunders at the spot. I kinda regret it but I also got suuuuper sick of the madness and in the end it’s so marginal that it’s probably me just second guessing myself on a bad day.
I keep going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth between Indy and Thunder for like 2 years now. Yesterday I stupidly put Thunders on an old deck that I wasn’t feeling and was blown away. Great session and everything felt easier than normal and I was convinced I was better on them.
Today I went out with both my setups and the margins were a lot thinner. Basically was doing the same shit on both setups and my Indy setup is a bit longer. In the end I have better pop on Indy and have mostly been on them for the better part of 8 months in some variation or another. So I made the rash decision to leave my Thunders at the spot. I kinda regret it but I also got suuuuper sick of the madness and in the end it’s so marginal that it’s probably me just second guessing myself on a bad day.
I keep telling myself that despite being old my best years of skating are yet to happen.
(https://i.imgur.com/NLqnbFC.jpg)
Finally pulled the trigger and set this up last night. I ended up exchanging the 55mm classics I had for some 54mm OG Classics. Can't wait to go try it out after work! I hope the 14.5 WB will be manageable on Thunders, I loved this shape when I had an Alltimers on indys.
It’s the setup Dustin rides so you should be chill.
Where them 181’s at?
Expand QuoteWhere them 181’s at?[close]
I have no use for them whatsoever, but I'd really like to look at them.
Yeah that's weird
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere them 181’s at?[close]
I have no use for them whatsoever, but I'd really like to look at them.
Yeah that's weird[close]
Kinda sums up my whole shit and the amount of time I spend on here
I was hopping around on some truck madness this year but I think I'm going back to where I started with Thunder 149s. Set mine back up as I mentioned I was considering and my flatground immediately just clicked. My best years of skating have always been on Thunders so now that the wanderlust has settled, I don't feel any reason to change.
Expand QuoteI was hopping around on some truck madness this year but I think I'm going back to where I started with Thunder 149s. Set mine back up as I mentioned I was considering and my flatground immediately just clicked. My best years of skating have always been on Thunders so now that the wanderlust has settled, I don't feel any reason to change.[close]
Still with bones bushings or completely stock?
Been skating Thunder 148 Hollow Lights for a few years, needed new trucks and wanted to size up to 8.5 decks, my local only had Lights and not Hollow lights. Am I really going to feel that much of a difference in weight? It’s like less than a pound according to tactics. Kinda getting some madness going
Expand QuoteBeen skating Thunder 148 Hollow Lights for a few years, needed new trucks and wanted to size up to 8.5 decks, my local only had Lights and not Hollow lights. Am I really going to feel that much of a difference in weight? It’s like less than a pound according to tactics. Kinda getting some madness going[close]
Less than a pound? Lol yeah you're good.
The difference is only 20 grams, which is 0.044 pounds
You might notice it a bit as you’re bumping up likely a bigger board and trucks, but overall I think it’s not too bad. Thunders are light trucks as they are…..if you were jumping to an Ace or and Indy, I’d say watch out….
Been skating Thunder 148 Hollow Lights for a few years, needed new trucks and wanted to size up to 8.5 decks, my local only had Lights and not Hollow lights. Am I really going to feel that much of a difference in weight? It’s like less than a pound according to tactics. Kinda getting some madness going
I just weighed both of these and the DLX 8.38 weighs 2 ounces more than the DLX 8.5. Chalk that up to wood and glue variables because the shapes look identical, the 8.5 might have slightly more taper. That 2 oz is a lot more than one size jump in trucksExpand QuoteYou might notice it a bit as you’re bumping up likely a bigger board and trucks, but overall I think it’s not too bad. Thunders are light trucks as they are…..if you were jumping to an Ace or and Indy, I’d say watch out….[close]
Yeah, I wanna go from 8.38 with Thunder 148’s to 8.5 with Thunder 149’s so def expecting some additional weight, just wondering if the lights will make it that much more heavy feeling
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI was hopping around on some truck madness this year but I think I'm going back to where I started with Thunder 149s. Set mine back up as I mentioned I was considering and my flatground immediately just clicked. My best years of skating have always been on Thunders so now that the wanderlust has settled, I don't feel any reason to change.[close]
Still with bones bushings or completely stock?[close]
I'm on Bones Mediums. I remember when I bought the Thunders (they're still relatively new) I skated flat for a bit and thought the stocks felt better than my last pair but I still put in the Bones.
I like the Thunder grind and find it indistinguishable from Indy except for pinchy stuff where they shine far above.
Expand QuoteI like the Thunder grind and find it indistinguishable from Indy except for pinchy stuff where they shine far above.[close]
I hope you're right. Through all my madness I've found that indys for sure grind the best/furthest of any truck. They tend to plow through shit and need less wax than other brands to skate chunky/crusty shit. Way back in the day i switched to indy's mostly because of the grind and my pair before that was thunders. Also, I like to think im much better now than i was 15 years ago, so maybe that'll help.
Just to round out the conversation……strangely Ventures grind much poorly than both…
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI like the Thunder grind and find it indistinguishable from Indy except for pinchy stuff where they shine far above.[close]
I hope you're right. Through all my madness I've found that indys for sure grind the best/furthest of any truck. They tend to plow through shit and need less wax than other brands to skate chunky/crusty shit. Way back in the day i switched to indy's mostly because of the grind and my pair before that was thunders. Also, I like to think im much better now than i was 15 years ago, so maybe that'll help.[close]
Fresh trucks, I'd say Indy grind better (bigger hanger area maybe?), but once broken in I can't tell the difference between them and Thunders either; but as far as pinch grind, thunder above all for me but that's due to the pinch, not the metal. You can just sit on them and go go go.
Don't bother with Riptides just wax your hanger nub a bit. I do it on every pair of trucks now and have zero squeaks. You could do it where the bushings touch the hanger too.
Expand QuoteDon't bother with Riptides just wax your hanger nub a bit. I do it on every pair of trucks now and have zero squeaks. You could do it where the bushings touch the hanger too.[close]
I've done this and found that once the wax is in there for a bit and breaks down/gets dirty, the wax itself causes an even louder squeak. might depend on the type of wax, i just used gulf wax. I might try a cotton swab with the lightest bit of motor oil on it and do a very light coat.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDon't bother with Riptides just wax your hanger nub a bit. I do it on every pair of trucks now and have zero squeaks. You could do it where the bushings touch the hanger too.[close]
I've done this and found that once the wax is in there for a bit and breaks down/gets dirty, the wax itself causes an even louder squeak. might depend on the type of wax, i just used gulf wax. I might try a cotton swab with the lightest bit of motor oil on it and do a very light coat.[close]
Wax works but is a stop gap solution for me as the squeaks always come back. The smallest drop of speed cream or whatever [bearing] lube does the trick (and you don't have to disassemble your trucks ruining your current truck adjustments)
Expand QuoteDon't bother with Riptides just wax your hanger nub a bit. I do it on every pair of trucks now and have zero squeaks. You could do it where the bushings touch the hanger too.[close]
I've done this and found that once the wax is in there for a bit and breaks down/gets dirty, the wax itself causes an even louder squeak. might depend on the type of wax, i just used gulf wax. I might try a cotton swab with the lightest bit of motor oil on it and do a very light coat.
Had another great sesh on these thunders yesterday. These seem to be exactly what I was looking for. The bushings feel good, but they're already cracking which is disappointing, will probably have to replace them soon. Do Indy Conicals fit? Or will I have to sand/cut them down?
Had another great sesh on these thunders yesterday. These seem to be exactly what I was looking for. The bushings feel good, but they're already cracking which is disappointing, will probably have to replace them soon. Do Indy Conicals fit? Or will I have to sand/cut them down?
Expand QuoteHad another great sesh on these thunders yesterday. These seem to be exactly what I was looking for. The bushings feel good, but they're already cracking which is disappointing, will probably have to replace them soon. Do Indy Conicals fit? Or will I have to sand/cut them down?[close]
My thunder bushings crack, but…it hasn’t changed anything, aside from the look. Maybe that’s just me tho.
(Weird way of me trying to say that you might not need to change them out that soon)
Expand QuoteHad another great sesh on these thunders yesterday. These seem to be exactly what I was looking for. The bushings feel good, but they're already cracking which is disappointing, will probably have to replace them soon. Do Indy Conicals fit? Or will I have to sand/cut them down?[close]
My thunder bushings crack, but…it hasn’t changed anything, aside from the look. Maybe that’s just me tho.
(Weird way of me trying to say that you might not need to change them out that soon)
I tried that after it jizzes out an oily death spunk the squeak comes back fast. Guess I've just had good luck with these hangers as I've only waxed them once.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDon't bother with Riptides just wax your hanger nub a bit. I do it on every pair of trucks now and have zero squeaks. You could do it where the bushings touch the hanger too.[close]
I've done this and found that once the wax is in there for a bit and breaks down/gets dirty, the wax itself causes an even louder squeak. might depend on the type of wax, i just used gulf wax. I might try a cotton swab with the lightest bit of motor oil on it and do a very light coat.[close]
Wax works but is a stop gap solution for me as the squeaks always come back. The smallest drop of speed cream or whatever [bearing] lube does the trick (and you don't have to disassemble your trucks ruining your current truck adjustments)
I tend to not get squeaky thunders tho (especially stock). Indy on the other hand...every single pair.
Im rocking the Real Wooden ones they are pretty good!Expand QuoteI tend to not get squeaky thunders tho (especially stock). Indy on the other hand...every single pair.[close]
I may have watched some painful batb footage, and in one of them both riders had super creaky indy setups. My beloved ventures have often had the squeak in the beginning as well.
Does anyone have a favorite riser to use with thunders?
how long does it take for dlx warranty team to email me back (from your experience) about a baseplate issue (no, not the noseslide contacts)
Im rocking the Real Wooden ones they are pretty good!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI tend to not get squeaky thunders tho (especially stock). Indy on the other hand...every single pair.[close]
I may have watched some painful batb footage, and in one of them both riders had super creaky indy setups. My beloved ventures have often had the squeak in the beginning as well.
Does anyone have a favorite riser to use with thunders?[close]
Expand QuoteIm rocking the Real Wooden ones they are pretty good!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI tend to not get squeaky thunders tho (especially stock). Indy on the other hand...every single pair.[close]
I may have watched some painful batb footage, and in one of them both riders had super creaky indy setups. My beloved ventures have often had the squeak in the beginning as well.
Does anyone have a favorite riser to use with thunders?[close][close]
Thanks! Will get
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIm rocking the Real Wooden ones they are pretty good!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI tend to not get squeaky thunders tho (especially stock). Indy on the other hand...every single pair.[close]
I may have watched some painful batb footage, and in one of them both riders had super creaky indy setups. My beloved ventures have often had the squeak in the beginning as well.
Does anyone have a favorite riser to use with thunders?[close][close]
Thanks! Will get[close]
you won't be disappointed
Expand QuoteI tend to not get squeaky thunders tho (especially stock). Indy on the other hand...every single pair.[close]
I may have watched some painful batb footage, and in one of them both riders had super creaky indy setups. My beloved ventures have often had the squeak in the beginning as well.
Does anyone have a favorite riser to use with thunders?
Pros do low key weird shit though, ie ride insanely tight trucks and incessantly crowbar their heel into the truck to straighten them out…no normal skaters do that…..
Pros do low key weird shit though, ie ride insanely tight trucks and incessantly crowbar their heel into the truck to straighten them out…no normal skaters do that…..
Thunder keeps hinting like they might. I hope they don’t. The clearance does suck but the Indy one looks beat. Venture you don’t really need it. By the time you hit your kingpin you’re a couple mm’s away from the axel.
Expand QuoteThunder keeps hinting like they might. I hope they don’t. The clearance does suck but the Indy one looks beat. Venture you don’t really need it. By the time you hit your kingpin you’re a couple mm’s away from the axel.[close]
They don't offer much much clearance, if at all (indy) and only add weight and or increased drag.
I'm over it until someone gets the OG Krux hollow DL kingpin setup back in action (with a properly fitting top washer); they actually helped you with Smiths/feebles.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThunder keeps hinting like they might. I hope they don’t. The clearance does suck but the Indy one looks beat. Venture you don’t really need it. By the time you hit your kingpin you’re a couple mm’s away from the axel.[close]
They don't offer much much clearance, if at all (indy) and only add weight and or increased drag.
I'm over it until someone gets the OG Krux hollow DL kingpin setup back in action (with a properly fitting top washer); they actually helped you with Smiths/feebles.[close]
do you have a picture to compare the non OG versions to by chance? i'm not too familiar and i feel like i wouldn't figure it out on my own on google searches
Got thunder hollows again.
I can’t nose and tailslide on them. Any advice?
Or do I need to get other trucks again?
Got thunder hollows again.
I can’t nose and tailslide on them. Any advice?
Or do I need to get other trucks again?
Got thunder hollows again.wax the shit out of the baseplate and the flat area before the kick
I can’t nose and tailslide on them. Any advice?
Or do I need to get other trucks again?
can anybody explain to me the difference between Thunder: titanium lights, hollow, and the lights? they don't have any concrete numbers on their website explaining weight differences, so im lost asfYou'll be fine my dude, Thunders are light trucks as is so a light version of them should be just fine.
i just bought some 151 light 2's but now i don't know if i should return them or not bc they might not be light enough. im a short dude so i need the lightest truck possible bc i like skating wide boards with 54s
Expand Quotecan anybody explain to me the difference between Thunder: titanium lights, hollow, and the lights? they don't have any concrete numbers on their website explaining weight differences, so im lost asf[close]
Titanium lights have a forged baseplate and a titanium axle, hollows have a forged baseplate, hollow kingpin und hollow axle, lights just have a hollow kingpin. There are also team hollows, which have a cast baseplate (1mm higher) and hollow kingpin und axle. Thunder standards have a cast baseplate and normal kingpin and axle.
Even those are still pretty light. About 360g for 149.
can anybody explain to me the difference between Thunder: titanium lights, hollow, and the lights? they don't have any concrete numbers on their website explaining weight differences, so im lost asf
i just bought some 151 light 2's but now i don't know if i should return them or not bc they might not be light enough. im a short dude so i need the lightest truck possible bc i like skating wide boards with 54s
Agree with above, I feel like thunders are actually better for nose and tailslides because they force you into better form. I find myself wobbling around a bit with aces and ventures because of the baseplate and really prefer the locked in thunder slide.
I have found that a U.S. nickel weighs about 5 grams, so that makes it an even easier unit of measurement. Calculate the difference in grams per type ( team, hollow, hollow light, etc) multiply by two and divide the result by five. Count out that many nickels and decide if that’s enough of a weight difference for you. Helps with the madness some.By “helps the madness” I’m imagining that you mean you stop mid-way through counting a pile of nickels to decide what skateboard trucks to buy and realize that it’s gone too far.
Expand QuoteAgree with above, I feel like thunders are actually better for nose and tailslides because they force you into better form. I find myself wobbling around a bit with aces and ventures because of the baseplate and really prefer the locked in thunder slide.[close]
I really hope i get to this point, my FS noseslides have suffered since switching to thunders, they're getting better, but it hurts my soul to struggle on a trick that is normally a staple for me. I love doing long fs noseslides <3
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAgree with above, I feel like thunders are actually better for nose and tailslides because they force you into better form. I find myself wobbling around a bit with aces and ventures because of the baseplate and really prefer the locked in thunder slide.[close]
I really hope i get to this point, my FS noseslides have suffered since switching to thunders, they're getting better, but it hurts my soul to struggle on a trick that is normally a staple for me. I love doing long fs noseslides <3[close]
you'll get there for sure! i have a homie who does the longest fs noseslides on Thunders 145s
i'm riding Ventures nowadays, but some of my longest fs tailslides have been on Thunders. A little adjustment in technique and speed go a long way
Obviously they slide just fine if your technique is on point:
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-01-2022/PAVvQ5.gif) (https://www.slapmagazine.com/gif/industrial-light-magic-PAVvQ5)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAgree with above, I feel like thunders are actually better for nose and tailslides because they force you into better form. I find myself wobbling around a bit with aces and ventures because of the baseplate and really prefer the locked in thunder slide.[close]
I really hope i get to this point, my FS noseslides have suffered since switching to thunders, they're getting better, but it hurts my soul to struggle on a trick that is normally a staple for me. I love doing long fs noseslides <3[close]
you'll get there for sure! i have a homie who does the longest fs noseslides on Thunders 145s
i'm riding Ventures nowadays, but some of my longest fs tailslides have been on Thunders. A little adjustment in technique and speed go a long way[close]
thanks for the encouragementExpand QuoteObviously they slide just fine if your technique is on point:
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-01-2022/PAVvQ5.gif) (https://www.slapmagazine.com/gif/industrial-light-magic-PAVvQ5)[close]
yea, surprisingly, my back tails are doing better than they were on indys. My technique for them must be complimentary to thunders, where as my fs noseslides were more suited for indys. I'm def gonna keep at it, really enjoying the trucks otherwise. and lets be honest, you know KB put a fat layer of wax on the side of that ledge lol.
Really? It's funny, for me it's the opposite! My front noseslides aren't affected really on either my Thunder or my Indys, but my back tails freaking suck on Thunders, I tend to dip then more than any other slide so I end up sticking, while I can get away with some dip on Indys.
By “helps the madness” I’m imagining that you mean you stop mid-way through counting a pile of nickels to decide what skateboard trucks to buy and realize that it’s gone too far.Expand QuoteI have found that a U.S. nickel weighs about 5 grams, so that makes it an even easier unit of measurement. Calculate the difference in grams per type ( team, hollow, hollow light, etc) multiply by two and divide the result by five. Count out that many nickels and decide if that’s enough of a weight difference for you. Helps with the madness some.[close]
Never been interested in thunders until recently. Been watching lots of old Dylan Rieder footage and it got me realizing that a lot of the skaters I like are on thunders. Old Brent atchley footage got me thinking about thunders always too.
Anyways, what is the turn like compared to venture? If thunders were stable like ventures but turned and were more carvy then I think I could get down on that.
I thought Brent rode Indy's?
Turn is not the same kind of stable. I actually like it a lot but others find it twitchy. The stability comes from the lower height and generally smaller turn radius than an Indy or Ace but nothing like Venture.
Never been interested in thunders until recently. Been watching lots of old Dylan Rieder footage and it got me realizing that a lot of the skaters I like are on thunders. Old Brent atchley footage got me thinking about thunders always too.
Anyways, what is the turn like compared to venture? If thunders were stable like ventures but turned and were more carvy then I think I could get down on that.
Is there a reason they are not offering 161s in any hollow version (lately?)
Expand QuoteNever been interested in thunders until recently. Been watching lots of old Dylan Rieder footage and it got me realizing that a lot of the skaters I like are on thunders. Old Brent atchley footage got me thinking about thunders always too.
Anyways, what is the turn like compared to venture? If thunders were stable like ventures but turned and were more carvy then I think I could get down on that.[close]
They are more stable than the turny trucks (Indy, ace) but turn way better than ventures. If you went to ventures from something like Indy and enjoy the stability but feel like something is missing, I would try them. They also grind much better than ventures.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNever been interested in thunders until recently. Been watching lots of old Dylan Rieder footage and it got me realizing that a lot of the skaters I like are on thunders. Old Brent atchley footage got me thinking about thunders always too.
Anyways, what is the turn like compared to venture? If thunders were stable like ventures but turned and were more carvy then I think I could get down on that.[close]
They are more stable than the turny trucks (Indy, ace) but turn way better than ventures. If you went to ventures from something like Indy and enjoy the stability but feel like something is missing, I would try them. They also grind much better than ventures.[close]
Yeah, they grind *almost* as good as Indys, but pinch way better. I'm constantly switching between Indy and Thunder. When I'm on Indys, I'm missing some of the things that make Thunders great, and vice versa.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNever been interested in thunders until recently. Been watching lots of old Dylan Rieder footage and it got me realizing that a lot of the skaters I like are on thunders. Old Brent atchley footage got me thinking about thunders always too.
Anyways, what is the turn like compared to venture? If thunders were stable like ventures but turned and were more carvy then I think I could get down on that.[close]
They are more stable than the turny trucks (Indy, ace) but turn way better than ventures. If you went to ventures from something like Indy and enjoy the stability but feel like something is missing, I would try them. They also grind much better than ventures.[close]
Yeah, they grind *almost* as good as Indys, but pinch way better. I'm constantly switching between Indy and Thunder. When I'm on Indys, I'm missing some of the things that make Thunders great, and vice versa.[close]
I've been also always switching between thunders and indys, but recently thunder has been sm better for control when it comes to grinds and tricks, and since im pinch reliant, it makes it even better. Only thing missing is the extra weight and height which makes indys better for popping tricks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNever been interested in thunders until recently. Been watching lots of old Dylan Rieder footage and it got me realizing that a lot of the skaters I like are on thunders. Old Brent atchley footage got me thinking about thunders always too.
Anyways, what is the turn like compared to venture? If thunders were stable like ventures but turned and were more carvy then I think I could get down on that.[close]
They are more stable than the turny trucks (Indy, ace) but turn way better than ventures. If you went to ventures from something like Indy and enjoy the stability but feel like something is missing, I would try them. They also grind much better than ventures.[close]
Yeah, they grind *almost* as good as Indys, but pinch way better. I'm constantly switching between Indy and Thunder. When I'm on Indys, I'm missing some of the things that make Thunders great, and vice versa.[close]
I've been also always switching between thunders and indys, but recently thunder has been sm better for control when it comes to grinds and tricks, and since im pinch reliant, it makes it even better. Only thing missing is the extra weight and height which makes indys better for popping tricks.
Expand QuoteIs there a reason they are not offering 161s in any hollow version (lately?)[close]
Overall sales of 161s?
Some good photos of the 181 just hit Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeTwkSvFYLg/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIs there a reason they are not offering 161s in any hollow version (lately?)[close]
Overall sales of 161s?[close]
Maybe nobody buys them but they did just drop the 181 (not hollow). I found some 161 hollows at the shop near my parents house, But noticed thunder has not had any in the last three drops.
Some good photos of the 181 just hit InstagramQuite wheelbitey, risers may be necessary. I was hoping they'd be a little taller but they are the same as 161s it seems.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIs there a reason they are not offering 161s in any hollow version (lately?)[close]
Overall sales of 161s?[close]
Maybe nobody buys them but they did just drop the 181 (not hollow). I found some 161 hollows at the shop near my parents house, But noticed thunder has not had any in the last three drops.[close]
I think there were other issues which could also explain this one, as per info provided a while back, but couldn't find anything from a quick search.
The baseplates and hangers are poured in SF, but the kingpins, axles and other parts all come from overseas - China or where ever - which was a problem with all the delays and so those parts might not have arrived, or might have had issues even being made, so maybe no hollow axles for the mean time.
Given that there would be significantly fewer 161s made compared to other smaller sizes, that could explain why there seem like there are very few around as well.
Quite wheelbitey, risers may be necessary. I was hoping they'd be a little taller but they are the same as 161s it seems.Expand QuoteSome good photos of the 181 just hit Instagram[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIs there a reason they are not offering 161s in any hollow version (lately?)[close]
Overall sales of 161s?[close]
Maybe nobody buys them but they did just drop the 181 (not hollow). I found some 161 hollows at the shop near my parents house, But noticed thunder has not had any in the last three drops.[close]
I think there were other issues which could also explain this one, as per info provided a while back, but couldn't find anything from a quick search.
The baseplates and hangers are poured in SF, but the kingpins, axles and other parts all come from overseas - China or where ever - which was a problem with all the delays and so those parts might not have arrived, or might have had issues even being made, so maybe no hollow axles for the mean time.
Given that there would be significantly fewer 161s made compared to other smaller sizes, that could explain why there seem like there are very few around as well.[close]
Thanks, I was hoping I didn’t miss something about defective parts earlier in this thread.
Expand QuoteQuite wheelbitey, risers may be necessary. I was hoping they'd be a little taller but they are the same as 161s it seems.Expand QuoteSome good photos of the 181 just hit Instagram[close][close]
Running the 161s with 56s and it doesn’t seem more wheelbity than normal, but they do look incredibly low compared to my Indy’s
Is there really that much demand for a 10 inch thunder? Would of thought most giant shaped board people would be Indy for tradition or already into ace
Is there really that much demand for a 10 inch thunder? Would of thought most giant shaped board people would be Indy for tradition or already into ace
Expand QuoteIs there really that much demand for a 10 inch thunder? Would of thought most giant shaped board people would be Indy for tradition or already into ace[close]
I thought the same, but I guess there is a market for the complete cruisers of all the Zip varieties, especially now the Zip Zogger is out and people want a truck that fits it, they can now supply it all in house, between the deck, Thunder trucks, Krooked cruiser wheels, or Spitfire 80HDs.
Guessing that the Krooked 1/4" riser would be perfect on that setup too, between the Thunder turn and the bigger and or softer wheels, that would really make it zing!!!
Expand QuoteIs there really that much demand for a 10 inch thunder? Would of thought most giant shaped board people would be Indy for tradition or already into ace[close]
Back when I rode “the best and fuck the rest” I would have agreed with you. As a distributor that releases 10ish boards on the regular I would say it’s a good idea to have trucks that would fit those boards. Maybe we’re about to see some rereleases a’la Powell Peralta from Real?
Edit: posted same time as Mbrimson, haha!
Expand QuoteSome good photos of the 181 just hit Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeTwkSvFYLg/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=[close]
Yo these look nice
Is there really that much demand for a 10 inch thunder? Would of thought most giant shaped board people would be Indy for tradition or already into ace
Expand QuoteIs there really that much demand for a 10 inch thunder? Would of thought most giant shaped board people would be Indy for tradition or already into ace[close]
Back when I rode “the best and fuck the rest” I would have agreed with you. As a distributor that releases 10ish boards on the regular I would say it’s a good idea to have trucks that would fit those boards. Maybe we’re about to see some rereleases a’la Powell Peralta from Real?
Edit: posted same time as Mbrimson, haha!
I cross posted this in the questions thread, but figured it would get some love here as well
I’m new to thunders, my last pair was on my first Christmas complete in 1995, they were t-4’s then, and I’ve been enjoying riding 147s for the past couple months.
What are some favorite 8.5” shapes for people on thunders?
I know, 147 on 8.5 seems really mid matched, but I know Ellington and Greco used to run this, and kick flips are easier because of the tippiness
I’m looking for decks Preferably with a tail longer than 6.5 (6.6 or 6.75 would be great) and a wheelbase 14”-14.3
I recently stepped up from a quasi proto 8.25 (tapered to 8” on the back) and the 8.5 feels really cozy and I wanna grab a couple more
Thanks pals!
I cross posted this in the questions thread, but figured it would get some love here as well
I’m new to thunders, my last pair was on my first Christmas complete in 1995, they were t-4’s then, and I’ve been enjoying riding 147s for the past couple months.
What are some favorite 8.5” shapes for people on thunders?
I know, 147 on 8.5 seems really mid matched, but I know Ellington and Greco used to run this, and kick flips are easier because of the tippiness
I’m looking for decks Preferably with a tail longer than 6.5 (6.6 or 6.75 would be great) and a wheelbase 14”-14.3
I recently stepped up from a quasi proto 8.25 (tapered to 8” on the back) and the 8.5 feels really cozy and I wanna grab a couple more
Thanks pals!
I am sorry to ask already if this has been answered. The bushings in one of my trucks is starting to get cooked and I am noticing it when skating. I am getting a present for somebody off of ccs and saw they had these bushing options if anybody has ran them in thunders and can provide some help
-bones
-riptide
-do dohs
-indy
Thank you in advance!
Big ups I had one when they were Chapman pressed, I appreciate the reply and I’ll check into it!Expand QuoteI cross posted this in the questions thread, but figured it would get some love here as well
I’m new to thunders, my last pair was on my first Christmas complete in 1995, they were t-4’s then, and I’ve been enjoying riding 147s for the past couple months.
What are some favorite 8.5” shapes for people on thunders?
I know, 147 on 8.5 seems really mid matched, but I know Ellington and Greco used to run this, and kick flips are easier because of the tippiness
I’m looking for decks Preferably with a tail longer than 6.5 (6.6 or 6.75 would be great) and a wheelbase 14”-14.3
I recently stepped up from a quasi proto 8.25 (tapered to 8” on the back) and the 8.5 feels really cozy and I wanna grab a couple more
Thanks pals![close]
Quasis tend to be pretty mellow through the middle and have that thin, snappy feeling, but if you’re interested in trying something different, I might suggest a 5Boro. The wood is exceptional and the tail shape feels nice and roomy, concave through the middle is a little more deep. Definitely my personal choice if I had to buy one board for the rest of life.
Thanks for the reply! I skated the April 8.25 last summer, and broke it in at the huge new park in Des Moines.Expand QuoteI cross posted this in the questions thread, but figured it would get some love here as well
I’m new to thunders, my last pair was on my first Christmas complete in 1995, they were t-4’s then, and I’ve been enjoying riding 147s for the past couple months.
What are some favorite 8.5” shapes for people on thunders?
I know, 147 on 8.5 seems really mid matched, but I know Ellington and Greco used to run this, and kick flips are easier because of the tippiness
I’m looking for decks Preferably with a tail longer than 6.5 (6.6 or 6.75 would be great) and a wheelbase 14”-14.3
I recently stepped up from a quasi proto 8.25 (tapered to 8” on the back) and the 8.5 feels really cozy and I wanna grab a couple more
Thanks pals![close]
Thunders are very good.
I skate a lot of quasi boards. I like a shorter tail than you do, the crail g053 is excellent, highly recommend (short tail tho, but also why I like it, and wheelbase is too long for what you want, so just cross this out).
Longer tail, try an April maybe? I had the Shane shape with 147s, and hated it (and myself for buying an April).
147s are so sick. I have a hard time skating a wheel above 52, and that ends up limiting how often I skate 147s.
Expand QuoteI am sorry to ask already if this has been answered. The bushings in one of my trucks is starting to get cooked and I am noticing it when skating. I am getting a present for somebody off of ccs and saw they had these bushing options if anybody has ran them in thunders and can provide some help
-bones
-riptide
-do dohs
-indy
Thank you in advance![close]
Xen is the thunder bushing source of info
I cross posted this in the questions thread, but figured it would get some love here as well
I’m new to thunders, my last pair was on my first Christmas complete in 1995, they were t-4’s then, and I’ve been enjoying riding 147s for the past couple months.
What are some favorite 8.5” shapes for people on thunders?
I know, 147 on 8.5 seems really mid matched, but I know Ellington and Greco used to run this, and kick flips are easier because of the tippiness
I’m looking for decks Preferably with a tail longer than 6.5 (6.6 or 6.75 would be great) and a wheelbase 14”-14.3
I recently stepped up from a quasi proto 8.25 (tapered to 8” on the back) and the 8.5 feels really cozy and I wanna grab a couple more
Thanks pals!
That’s a good idea, have you ever tried one? I haven’t yet. When Paul Schmidt was on the nine club, he measured the degrees of the nose and tail on Robert’s twin tail, and the nose was still steeper than the tail, showing that at that moment the crailtap wood twin tails were not using a symmetrical mold. I also liked Schmidt’s idea that a board is like a jack knife with two distinctly different kicks for different terrain.Expand QuoteI cross posted this in the questions thread, but figured it would get some love here as well
I’m new to thunders, my last pair was on my first Christmas complete in 1995, they were t-4’s then, and I’ve been enjoying riding 147s for the past couple months.
What are some favorite 8.5” shapes for people on thunders?
I know, 147 on 8.5 seems really mid matched, but I know Ellington and Greco used to run this, and kick flips are easier because of the tippiness
I’m looking for decks Preferably with a tail longer than 6.5 (6.6 or 6.75 would be great) and a wheelbase 14”-14.3
I recently stepped up from a quasi proto 8.25 (tapered to 8” on the back) and the 8.5 feels really cozy and I wanna grab a couple more
Thanks pals![close]
You can go full Ishod and get a Real twin tail. They make them in 8.3 and 8.5. I think the kicks on both are 6.65" or something.
So I think I may be switching back to thunders. I’ve been primarily riding Indy the past couple of years and I love the turn but my tricks have just never felt right, at the very least I struggle with flips and pop.Unfortunately not the "and not looking back"part.
I just set up a twin tail with a set of Thunders I had tried a couple years ago and it just feels great. I’m old now and the quicker pop point just works so much better for me. Even after years on Indy’s I still ghost pop sometimes, especially if ollieing onto lower ledges, and that’s not an issue with the thunders.
I know some of it may be the pairing of board and trucks, so I need to try the thunders on my usual set up. I got the softest thunder 90du bushings and they feel reasonably good but not as good as Indy. Anyone else have this experience of switching from ace/Indy to thunder and not looking back?
That’s a good idea, have you ever tried one? I haven’t yet. When Paul Schmidt was on the nine club, he measured the degrees of the nose and tail on Robert’s twin tail, and the nose was still steeper than the tail, showing that at that moment the crailtap wood twin tails were not using a symmetrical mold. I also liked Schmidt’s idea that a board is like a jack knife with two distinctly different kicks for different terrain.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI cross posted this in the questions thread, but figured it would get some love here as well
I’m new to thunders, my last pair was on my first Christmas complete in 1995, they were t-4’s then, and I’ve been enjoying riding 147s for the past couple months.
What are some favorite 8.5” shapes for people on thunders?
I know, 147 on 8.5 seems really mid matched, but I know Ellington and Greco used to run this, and kick flips are easier because of the tippiness
I’m looking for decks Preferably with a tail longer than 6.5 (6.6 or 6.75 would be great) and a wheelbase 14”-14.3
I recently stepped up from a quasi proto 8.25 (tapered to 8” on the back) and the 8.5 feels really cozy and I wanna grab a couple more
Thanks pals![close]
You can go full Ishod and get a Real twin tail. They make them in 8.3 and 8.5. I think the kicks on both are 6.65" or something.[close]
That said, I might still cop because of the length of the kicks is in my neighborhood, and I’m a fan of ishod and bbs wood
Unfortunately not the "and not looking back"part.Expand QuoteSo I think I may be switching back to thunders. I’ve been primarily riding Indy the past couple of years and I love the turn but my tricks have just never felt right, at the very least I struggle with flips and pop.
I just set up a twin tail with a set of Thunders I had tried a couple years ago and it just feels great. I’m old now and the quicker pop point just works so much better for me. Even after years on Indy’s I still ghost pop sometimes, especially if ollieing onto lower ledges, and that’s not an issue with the thunders.
I know some of it may be the pairing of board and trucks, so I need to try the thunders on my usual set up. I got the softest thunder 90du bushings and they feel reasonably good but not as good as Indy. Anyone else have this experience of switching from ace/Indy to thunder and not looking back?[close]
I prefer almost everything about thunder to Indy but my manual,nosemanual and even 5-0, nosegrind are much worse on thunders. Never used to be the case then a few years ago got the idea in my head thunders are more for fully pressed or pinched style grinds not so much Manny style even tho like half the team are the most tech skaters going lol. Haven't gone back to Indy for a long while tho so maybe there's so hope
Unfortunately not the "and not looking back"part.Expand QuoteSo I think I may be switching back to thunders. I’ve been primarily riding Indy the past couple of years and I love the turn but my tricks have just never felt right, at the very least I struggle with flips and pop.
I just set up a twin tail with a set of Thunders I had tried a couple years ago and it just feels great. I’m old now and the quicker pop point just works so much better for me. Even after years on Indy’s I still ghost pop sometimes, especially if ollieing onto lower ledges, and that’s not an issue with the thunders.
I know some of it may be the pairing of board and trucks, so I need to try the thunders on my usual set up. I got the softest thunder 90du bushings and they feel reasonably good but not as good as Indy. Anyone else have this experience of switching from ace/Indy to thunder and not looking back?[close]
I prefer almost everything about thunder to Indy but my manual,nosemanual and even 5-0, nosegrind are much worse on thunders. Never used to be the case then a few years ago got the idea in my head thunders are more for fully pressed or pinched style grinds not so much Manny style even tho like half the team are the most tech skaters going lol. Haven't gone back to Indy for a long while tho so maybe there's so hope
(https://i.imgur.com/opVR2iK.jpg)
I’m not even riding Thunders right now nor am I feeling the itch to do so. I just couldn’t keep looking at those green hangers.
I’ma have to update the pics in my classifieds post. Maybe someone will want em now
(https://i.imgur.com/opVR2iK.jpg)
I’m not even riding Thunders right now nor am I feeling the itch to do so. I just couldn’t keep looking at those green hangers.
I’ma have to update the pics in my classifieds post. Maybe someone will want em now
I mean, they’re kinda starting to make me happy. I was tryna trade em for some AF1s but there’s an outside chance I’ll get a pair for my birthday soon in which case I probably just have to keep the Thunders on hand for when the madness comes back.
They sure do look way cleaner and should make someone happy now.
(https://i.imgur.com/opVR2iK.jpg)
I’m not even riding Thunders right now nor am I feeling the itch to do so. I just couldn’t keep looking at those green hangers.
I’ma have to update the pics in my classifieds post. Maybe someone will want em now
New to this thread bc I just switched back to thunder after 1 year on venture trucks. I switched to venture bc I just wanted to try them out after my thunder trucks bushings blew out. I recently swapped 95d blue bushing rebuild kit in the thunders and they feel just like my ventures. I barely crank the nut down or else they are too tight. I noticed that this makes the geometry almost identical to the venture trucks bc the wheelbite marks are like 3mm off from each other on the same board. (The pop feel is almost identical as well)
So does the tightness of the truck change the effective wheelbase? I would think that if i had the nuts cranked all the way down, then the wheelbase would go inward. Sorry im way too superstitious about my setup:(
New to this thread bc I just switched back to thunder after 1 year on venture trucks. I switched to venture bc I just wanted to try them out after my thunder trucks bushings blew out. I recently swapped 95d blue bushing rebuild kit in the thunders and they feel just like my ventures. I barely crank the nut down or else they are too tight. I noticed that this makes the geometry almost identical to the venture trucks bc the wheelbite marks are like 3mm off from each other on the same board. (The pop feel is almost identical as well)For me, once the bushings are broken in, their height stabilizes until they start blowing out. So once yours are broken in, tightening them will limit the turn but I don’t think it’ll bring your wheelbase in any further than just stepping on the board does. If you start changing the height of the bottom bushing, you can bring the axles down/in or up/out as much as the pivot and hanger will allow. There’s not many anecdotes of people having good experiences with that though. You could use a wedge riser for the same effect without fucking up the truck geometry but, you know, how superstitious are you?
So does the tightness of the truck change the effective wheelbase? I would think that if i had the nuts cranked all the way down, then the wheelbase would go inward. Sorry im way too superstitious about my setup:(
Conical bottom. Here is a link to the exact same ones.
Did you get thunder replacement bushings with a conical bottom?
Conical bottom. Here is a link to the exact same ones.Expand Quote
Did you get thunder replacement bushings with a conical bottom?[close]
https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/thunder-trucks-bushing-rebuild-kit-upgrade-95-duro-med-blue/
Thinking about picking up some of the $10 team 145s on Zumiez to replace the forged plates i have on my 148s. Does anyone know if the hangers would fit or is the geo different between that big of a gap?
I'm actually kind of digging the pink hangers and the 80s graphics on these. Thinking about the 151s for a cruiser setup.
Tho i am a Thunder fan, I'm wondering if I should go for a more 'cruiser' truck, like an ace or something.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ce1vg2BPCRL/
I think older 145 and 147 also had low versions but weren't always marked as low or high. I think thunder discontinued the lows so $10 trucks might be those. Someone with more thunder knowledge probably could tell the difference without having to compare the heights.Expand QuoteThinking about picking up some of the $10 team 145s on Zumiez to replace the forged plates i have on my 148s. Does anyone know if the hangers would fit or is the geo different between that big of a gap?[close]
This is a great question. I tried the cast plates on my 149s, on my hollow forged 148s, and it looked wrong. Fairly certain the geo on 145 is the same as 147, and then 148 is different, and I even think 149 might be slightly different, but please don’t take my word for it cuz I’m fried.
I think older 145 and 147 also had low versions but weren't always marked as low or high. I think thunder discontinued the lows so $10 trucks might be those. Someone with more thunder knowledge probably could tell the difference without having to compare the heights.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThinking about picking up some of the $10 team 145s on Zumiez to replace the forged plates i have on my 148s. Does anyone know if the hangers would fit or is the geo different between that big of a gap?[close]
This is a great question. I tried the cast plates on my 149s, on my hollow forged 148s, and it looked wrong. Fairly certain the geo on 145 is the same as 147, and then 148 is different, and I even think 149 might be slightly different, but please don’t take my word for it cuz I’m fried.[close]
I'm actually kind of digging the pink hangers and the 80s graphics on these. Thinking about the 151s for a cruiser setup.
Tho i am a Thunder fan, I'm wondering if I should go for a more 'cruiser' truck, like an ace or something.
http://www.instagram.com/p/Ce1vg2BPCRL/
Yeah that would makes sense. Thanks for the feedbackExpand QuoteI think older 145 and 147 also had low versions but weren't always marked as low or high. I think thunder discontinued the lows so $10 trucks might be those. Someone with more thunder knowledge probably could tell the difference without having to compare the heights.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThinking about picking up some of the $10 team 145s on Zumiez to replace the forged plates i have on my 148s. Does anyone know if the hangers would fit or is the geo different between that big of a gap?[close]
This is a great question. I tried the cast plates on my 149s, on my hollow forged 148s, and it looked wrong. Fairly certain the geo on 145 is the same as 147, and then 148 is different, and I even think 149 might be slightly different, but please don’t take my word for it cuz I’m fried.[close][close]
I believe the height/geo of the 148 and up is different than the 147 and down. @Xen can probably confirm
Conical bottom. Here is a link to the exact same ones.Expand Quote
Did you get thunder replacement bushings with a conical bottom?[close]
https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/thunder-trucks-bushing-rebuild-kit-upgrade-95-duro-med-blue/
Expand QuoteConical bottom. Here is a link to the exact same ones.Expand Quote
Did you get thunder replacement bushings with a conical bottom?[close]
https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/thunder-trucks-bushing-rebuild-kit-upgrade-95-duro-med-blue/[close]
I've got to say, these changed my opinion on Thunders immediately. I'm digging the turn on them now.
Expand QuoteI think older 145 and 147 also had low versions but weren't always marked as low or high. I think thunder discontinued the lows so $10 trucks might be those. Someone with more thunder knowledge probably could tell the difference without having to compare the heights.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThinking about picking up some of the $10 team 145s on Zumiez to replace the forged plates i have on my 148s. Does anyone know if the hangers would fit or is the geo different between that big of a gap?[close]
This is a great question. I tried the cast plates on my 149s, on my hollow forged 148s, and it looked wrong. Fairly certain the geo on 145 is the same as 147, and then 148 is different, and I even think 149 might be slightly different, but please don’t take my word for it cuz I’m fried.[close][close]
I believe the height/geo of the 148 and up is different than the 147 and down. @Xen can probably confirm
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteConical bottom. Here is a link to the exact same ones.Expand Quote
Did you get thunder replacement bushings with a conical bottom?[close]
https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/thunder-trucks-bushing-rebuild-kit-upgrade-95-duro-med-blue/[close]
I've got to say, these changed my opinion on Thunders immediately. I'm digging the turn on them now.[close]
Coming from indy/ace, and trying out ventures, i can confidently say that the thunder turn is pretty fucking sweet if you tune them for your weight just right. Riptides on thunders make much more of a difference to me, than on indy/ace too. Total gamechanger for thunders.
I liked the riptides alot too, they felt more smooth and maybe a bit more range?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think older 145 and 147 also had low versions but weren't always marked as low or high. I think thunder discontinued the lows so $10 trucks might be those. Someone with more thunder knowledge probably could tell the difference without having to compare the heights.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThinking about picking up some of the $10 team 145s on Zumiez to replace the forged plates i have on my 148s. Does anyone know if the hangers would fit or is the geo different between that big of a gap?[close]
This is a great question. I tried the cast plates on my 149s, on my hollow forged 148s, and it looked wrong. Fairly certain the geo on 145 is the same as 147, and then 148 is different, and I even think 149 might be slightly different, but please don’t take my word for it cuz I’m fried.[close][close]
I believe the height/geo of the 148 and up is different than the 147 and down. @Xen can probably confirm[close]
I've never noticed anything off when swapping plates/hangers but 147 and below the heights are 1mm lower than 148+ regardless of plate, so it must be the hanger and possibly geo? Maybe all those 147 riders know something we don't ;)
Coming from indy/ace, and trying out ventures, i can confidently say that the thunder turn is pretty fucking sweet if you tune them for your weight just right. Riptides on thunders make much more of a difference to me, than on indy/ace too. Total gamechanger for thunders.
Swapped out my indy's for thunders, immediately started skating better. No ghost pop, felt more consistent. Probably my fault for having multiple set ups with different trucks, but this really helped clarify it for me. Any boards I set up for street/ledge/flip tricks, going with thunder from now on. If I have a slappy or transition board, then I'll run indy.
Now I just need to figure out how to get my thunders a *little* looser, my kingpin nut is basically only on a couple of threads with the 90du bushings which are the softest for thunder afaik. May need to sand them a bit, or start looking at the riptides or even nfg bushings. I don't understand people who think the thunder turn is "better" than indy.
Expand QuoteSwapped out my indy's for thunders, immediately started skating better. No ghost pop, felt more consistent. Probably my fault for having multiple set ups with different trucks, but this really helped clarify it for me. Any boards I set up for street/ledge/flip tricks, going with thunder from now on. If I have a slappy or transition board, then I'll run indy.
Now I just need to figure out how to get my thunders a *little* looser, my kingpin nut is basically only on a couple of threads with the 90du bushings which are the softest for thunder afaik. May need to sand them a bit, or start looking at the riptides or even nfg bushings. I don't understand people who think the thunder turn is "better" than indy.[close]
I had a similar experience. I was weird about trucks marking my wheel base longer and put thunders on a whim immediately flips tricks was more consistent and felt better. Then I took and Indy conical 92a bushing and I still can wheel bite but it’s rare.
Maybe try a conical bottom bushing. I feel I can turn sharp with out wheel biting on it. When I had the stock bottom in I had to tighten a little or I’d bite but with the 92a conical it seems fine.
Ishod runs his squiggly loose according to his neinclub. I think he does two tops. I think I remember Gerwer doing the same according to some skate media, cannot remember the source.
But. Thunders will never feel like Indys imo, the turn is just to quick, and maybe shallow is the word I’m looking for. I skate better on thunders, so I’m skating thunders.
Whatchu trying to turn a lot for?
Expand QuoteIshod runs his squiggly loose according to his neinclub. I think he does two tops. I think I remember Gerwer doing the same according to some skate media, cannot remember the source.
But. Thunders will never feel like Indys imo, the turn is just to quick, and maybe shallow is the word I’m looking for. I skate better on thunders, so I’m skating thunders.
Whatchu trying to turn a lot for?[close]
I just want a bit of swerve. Two tops isn’t a bad idea. I’m not great at skating so having looser trucks helps me cheat out some of my landings.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIshod runs his squiggly loose according to his neinclub. I think he does two tops. I think I remember Gerwer doing the same according to some skate media, cannot remember the source.
But. Thunders will never feel like Indys imo, the turn is just to quick, and maybe shallow is the word I’m looking for. I skate better on thunders, so I’m skating thunders.
Whatchu trying to turn a lot for?[close]
I just want a bit of swerve. Two tops isn’t a bad idea. I’m not great at skating so having looser trucks helps me cheat out some of my landings.[close]
I spend more time on here, than I do skating, and the results are very apparent.
Respectfully, my experience has been looser trucks go straight to wheelbite with thunders. I’m also finally understanding that I skate a little bit better with tighter trucks. Just throwing that out there. I see more too loose than too tight.
Now that I’m done being a patronizing jerkwad, some rippers have gotten bones to work in thunders. Short term fix, but could help? Some of the local killers were using riser pads (I think the god Bobby D does this as well). I usually skate smaller wheels with thunders, and have them more inset in relation to deck width (awkwardly put: I go for more deck than axle width, which I’m convinced lends to more turn and less wheelbite). I wax my deck wheel wells sometimes (not very often, but when I think of it I do).
Anyways, thunders are fun as hell, I mean all trucks are fun, skating is fun, but my experience has been that thunders are the most effective for landing tricks, for me, which what I’m currently trying to do.
I bought some super loose clear replacement bushing and just caught savage wheelbites to flying elbows and was over it, I bought the super hard replacement kit, and chickened out.
Lemme know if you get more turn!
Oh hit up @Xen. Has done the work when it comes to bushings. I don’t fuck with that black magic.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIshod runs his squiggly loose according to his neinclub. I think he does two tops. I think I remember Gerwer doing the same according to some skate media, cannot remember the source.
But. Thunders will never feel like Indys imo, the turn is just to quick, and maybe shallow is the word I’m looking for. I skate better on thunders, so I’m skating thunders.
Whatchu trying to turn a lot for?[close]
I just want a bit of swerve. Two tops isn’t a bad idea. I’m not great at skating so having looser trucks helps me cheat out some of my landings.[close]
I spend more time on here, than I do skating, and the results are very apparent.
Respectfully, my experience has been looser trucks go straight to wheelbite with thunders. I’m also finally understanding that I skate a little bit better with tighter trucks. Just throwing that out there. I see more too loose than too tight.
Now that I’m done being a patronizing jerkwad, some rippers have gotten bones to work in thunders. Short term fix, but could help? Some of the local killers were using riser pads (I think the god Bobby D does this as well). I usually skate smaller wheels with thunders, and have them more inset in relation to deck width (awkwardly put: I go for more deck than axle width, which I’m convinced lends to more turn and less wheelbite). I wax my deck wheel wells sometimes (not very often, but when I think of it I do).
Anyways, thunders are fun as hell, I mean all trucks are fun, skating is fun, but my experience has been that thunders are the most effective for landing tricks, for me, which what I’m currently trying to do.
I bought some super loose clear replacement bushing and just caught savage wheelbites to flying elbows and was over it, I bought the super hard replacement kit, and chickened out.
Lemme know if you get more turn!
Oh hit up @Xen. Has done the work when it comes to bushings. I don’t fuck with that black magic.[close]
Not being a jerkwad at all, I appreciate the feedback and the light ribbing. I think it's true a lot of people switch their gear up wanting it to do something it just wasn't designed for. To be clear, I don't want/need my thunders to be wobbly loose, and I know that no matter how loose I get them they won't give the same feeling as ace or indy, which I don't want either.
My experience with stock thunder bushings has been once they're broken in they're firmer than I like and I have to run the kingpin nut basically as loose as possible without falling off. I just want to make a couple of adjustments and see if I can get them set up with a little more give and the kingpin nut closer to flush. @Xen the 86a venom bottom may be the place to start.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIshod runs his squiggly loose according to his neinclub. I think he does two tops. I think I remember Gerwer doing the same according to some skate media, cannot remember the source.
But. Thunders will never feel like Indys imo, the turn is just to quick, and maybe shallow is the word I’m looking for. I skate better on thunders, so I’m skating thunders.
Whatchu trying to turn a lot for?[close]
I just want a bit of swerve. Two tops isn’t a bad idea. I’m not great at skating so having looser trucks helps me cheat out some of my landings.[close]
I spend more time on here, than I do skating, and the results are very apparent.
Respectfully, my experience has been looser trucks go straight to wheelbite with thunders. I’m also finally understanding that I skate a little bit better with tighter trucks. Just throwing that out there. I see more too loose than too tight.
Now that I’m done being a patronizing jerkwad, some rippers have gotten bones to work in thunders. Short term fix, but could help? Some of the local killers were using riser pads (I think the god Bobby D does this as well). I usually skate smaller wheels with thunders, and have them more inset in relation to deck width (awkwardly put: I go for more deck than axle width, which I’m convinced lends to more turn and less wheelbite). I wax my deck wheel wells sometimes (not very often, but when I think of it I do).
Anyways, thunders are fun as hell, I mean all trucks are fun, skating is fun, but my experience has been that thunders are the most effective for landing tricks, for me, which what I’m currently trying to do.
I bought some super loose clear replacement bushing and just caught savage wheelbites to flying elbows and was over it, I bought the super hard replacement kit, and chickened out.
Lemme know if you get more turn!
Oh hit up @Xen. Has done the work when it comes to bushings. I don’t fuck with that black magic.[close]
Not being a jerkwad at all, I appreciate the feedback and the light ribbing. I think it's true a lot of people switch their gear up wanting it to do something it just wasn't designed for. To be clear, I don't want/need my thunders to be wobbly loose, and I know that no matter how loose I get them they won't give the same feeling as ace or indy, which I don't want either.
My experience with stock thunder bushings has been once they're broken in they're firmer than I like and I have to run the kingpin nut basically as loose as possible without falling off. I just want to make a couple of adjustments and see if I can get them set up with a little more give and the kingpin nut closer to flush. @Xen the 86a venom bottom may be the place to start.[close]
Stock thunders, nut flush are too tight for me. I can skate them but need a little more give.
Maybe try a low top first (I run the 86a venom bottom and a 95a low top); they are not wobbly loose but they are looser than stock with the nut flush. The venoms are only 4 duro softer than the stocks, however, they are much better urethane and provide way more rebound; the dual duro combo makes them very snappy.
I've also shaved the stock top down to get the nut flush and net a bit more turn.
Ishod runs his squiggly loose according to his neinclub. I think he does two tops. I think I remember Gerwer doing the same according to some skate media, cannot remember the source.
But. Thunders will never feel like Indys imo, the turn is just to quick, and maybe shallow is the word I’m looking for. I skate better on thunders, so I’m skating thunders.
Whatchu trying to turn a lot for?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIshod runs his squiggly loose according to his neinclub. I think he does two tops. I think I remember Gerwer doing the same according to some skate media, cannot remember the source.
But. Thunders will never feel like Indys imo, the turn is just to quick, and maybe shallow is the word I’m looking for. I skate better on thunders, so I’m skating thunders.
Whatchu trying to turn a lot for?[close]
I just want a bit of swerve. Two tops isn’t a bad idea. I’m not great at skating so having looser trucks helps me cheat out some of my landings.[close]
I spend more time on here, than I do skating, and the results are very apparent.
Respectfully, my experience has been looser trucks go straight to wheelbite with thunders. I’m also finally understanding that I skate a little bit better with tighter trucks. Just throwing that out there. I see more too loose than too tight.
Now that I’m done being a patronizing jerkwad, some rippers have gotten bones to work in thunders. Short term fix, but could help? Some of the local killers were using riser pads (I think the god Bobby D does this as well). I usually skate smaller wheels with thunders, and have them more inset in relation to deck width (awkwardly put: I go for more deck than axle width, which I’m convinced lends to more turn and less wheelbite). I wax my deck wheel wells sometimes (not very often, but when I think of it I do).
Anyways, thunders are fun as hell, I mean all trucks are fun, skating is fun, but my experience has been that thunders are the most effective for landing tricks, for me, which what I’m currently trying to do.
I bought some super loose clear replacement bushing and just caught savage wheelbites to flying elbows and was over it, I bought the super hard replacement kit, and chickened out.
Lemme know if you get more turn!
Oh hit up @Xen. Has done the work when it comes to bushings. I don’t fuck with that black magic.[close]
Not being a jerkwad at all, I appreciate the feedback and the light ribbing. I think it's true a lot of people switch their gear up wanting it to do something it just wasn't designed for. To be clear, I don't want/need my thunders to be wobbly loose, and I know that no matter how loose I get them they won't give the same feeling as ace or indy, which I don't want either.
My experience with stock thunder bushings has been once they're broken in they're firmer than I like and I have to run the kingpin nut basically as loose as possible without falling off. I just want to make a couple of adjustments and see if I can get them set up with a little more give and the kingpin nut closer to flush. @Xen the 86a venom bottom may be the place to start.[close]
Stock thunders, nut flush are too tight for me. I can skate them but need a little more give.
Maybe try a low top first (I run the 86a venom bottom and a 95a low top); they are not wobbly loose but they are looser than stock with the nut flush. The venoms are only 4 duro softer than the stocks, however, they are much better urethane and provide way more rebound; the dual duro combo makes them very snappy.
I've also shaved the stock top down to get the nut flush and net a bit more turn.[close]
What’s the rec on shaving bushings? We talking razor blade or a Belt sander?
I have ordered 147 lights for super cheap and wonder what is the biggest size wheel you can ride on them? The height is 49 mm and i wonder if it is possible to ride 52 or it is too much wheelbite. This month i got an old secondhand pair of standard 147 (which are my new favourite trucks) and ride them with 52 mm wheels, i rarely get wheelbites. Have you tried risers on 147 lights and if so how does it feel? I havent been skating risers for more than 20 years but it might be nessary if i dont want to skate 50 mm wheels. And one last question - I read that the wb is different for the forged plates and i wonder if hangers of the different models (standard, lights, hollows) are the same shape and can be switched on the diffentent plates (forged and teams)?
I have ordered 147 lights for super cheap and wonder what is the biggest size wheel you can ride on them? The height is 49 mm and i wonder if it is possible to ride 52 or it is too much wheelbite. This month i got an old secondhand pair of standard 147 (which are my new favourite trucks) and ride them with 52 mm wheels, i rarely get wheelbites. Have you tried risers on 147 lights and if so how does it feel? I havent been skating risers for more than 20 years but it might be nessary if i dont want to skate 50 mm wheels. And one last question - I read that the wb is different for the forged plates and i wonder if hangers of the different models (standard, lights, hollows) are the same shape and can be switched on the diffentent plates (forged and teams)?
I had 56mm classics on my 148s for a bit. had to be careful and a bit more precise, but it worked alright. Classic shape really helps those wanting a larger diameter wheel while not wanting to run risers.
Anyone ride a Baker or similar mellow deck on Thunders? If so, how was it?
I think the most mellow deck I've had them on as a 917 that was super flat and I have forged ti whatever the fucks that were stupid light to begin with. I now have Team standard discount bin edition.
All Thunder trucks come with 90a bushings. If you live in one of those flyover states that have crusty strip malls then they might feel like 900a in winter.
Does anyone know if the bushings have been reformulated when they changed the logo and packaging. I don't live in a cold area and actually really like Thunder stock bushings.
All Thunder trucks come with 90a bushings. If you live in one of those flyover states that have crusty strip malls then they might feel like 900a in winter.
Does anyone know if the bushings have been reformulated when they changed the logo and packaging. I don't live in a cold area and actually really like Thunder stock bushings.
Expand QuoteAnyone ride a Baker or similar mellow deck on Thunders? If so, how was it?
I think the most mellow deck I've had them on as a 917 that was super flat and I have forged ti whatever the fucks that were stupid light to begin with. I now have Team standard discount bin edition.[close]
I rode foundation/toy machine decks for a few years on thunders. Loved it. Went on a blood wizard kick which are pretty mellow as well and love it too
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ride a Baker or similar mellow deck on Thunders? If so, how was it?
I think the most mellow deck I've had them on as a 917 that was super flat and I have forged ti whatever the fucks that were stupid light to begin with. I now have Team standard discount bin edition.[close]
I rode foundation/toy machine decks for a few years on thunders. Loved it. Went on a blood wizard kick which are pretty mellow as well and love it too[close]
I also would say Toy Machine pairs great with Thunder. It feels perfect. On the other hand, I couldn't get a Baker that I tried to ever feel right on the Thunders.
Got my first thunders recently. Good gawd they're squeaky. Gonna get out the wax and pencil lead after dinner.
I've always used wax on squeaky trucks in the past but I'm going to try one with graphite and see which works better.
Edit:
Graphite powder didn't do anything so gulf wax had to come to the to the rescue.
Expand QuoteGot my first thunders recently. Good gawd they're squeaky. Gonna get out the wax and pencil lead after dinner.
I've always used wax on squeaky trucks in the past but I'm going to try one with graphite and see which works better.
Edit:
Graphite powder didn't do anything so gulf wax had to come to the to the rescue.[close]
That’s funny, thunders are the only trucks that haven’t squeaked for me. My Indy’s always squeaked like crazy and my aces squeak AND click
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot my first thunders recently. Good gawd they're squeaky. Gonna get out the wax and pencil lead after dinner.
I've always used wax on squeaky trucks in the past but I'm going to try one with graphite and see which works better.
Edit:
Graphite powder didn't do anything so gulf wax had to come to the to the rescue.[close]
That’s funny, thunders are the only trucks that haven’t squeaked for me. My Indy’s always squeaked like crazy and my aces squeak AND click[close]
I find this kinda funny. ;D soon we're able to recognize trucks by the sounds the make. Squeak and click, that's Ace!
Anyways, I've been intrested in trying Thundies in years. Are the wooden risers worth it? I'm probably getting 151s and I ride wheel sizes 52 to 56.
Honestly I don't think I've ever had a truck that didn't squeak, even during my brief departure away from Thunders. I only tend to notice if I'm just standing on my board but if I'm rolling the wheels are always louder than the trucks.
Do y'all actually take your trucks off to do that?
Kinda wanna try but I'm afraid I won't get them back how I like and fall into a pit of madness.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot my first thunders recently. Good gawd they're squeaky. Gonna get out the wax and pencil lead after dinner.
I've always used wax on squeaky trucks in the past but I'm going to try one with graphite and see which works better.
Edit:
Graphite powder didn't do anything so gulf wax had to come to the to the rescue.[close]
That’s funny, thunders are the only trucks that haven’t squeaked for me. My Indy’s always squeaked like crazy and my aces squeak AND click[close]
I find this kinda funny. ;D soon we're able to recognize trucks by the sounds the make. Squeak and click, that's Ace!
Anyways, I've been intrested in trying Thundies in years. Are the wooden risers worth it? I'm probably getting 151s and I ride wheel sizes 52 to 56.
Would a 147 on an 8.25 board wheelbite less than a 148 because of the angle which the wheel contacts the board? Or is the truck proportionately smaller so it’s about the same? Or more?The 147 is going to wheelbite more because the 147 is a lower truck than the 148 and up. As far as width to wheelbite ratio on other brands that maintain the same height across sizes I’m not really sure.
Since I suck at skating and want to keep being terrible, I just wanted to try out Thunders (Team 147) and really like them so far, the pop is so good, tricks come way easier. But my main problem (apart from getting used to the baseplate thing) is kingpin clearance and I'm not even talking about smiths/feebles. I have to run them reeeeeally lose to get them as turny as I'm used to coming from Indys, but now the kingpin nut even hung up three times doing a 5050 on a shitty curb thats a bit wobly. Any recommendations on how to get them looser, but nut more flush? The Ishod way with two top bushings?Used to do the two top bushings before I knew anything and never had a problem but now I know changing the bottom bushing height changes the geometry. I think leave the bottom bushing but try find a smaller top bushing/cut down the too bushing and/or take off the top washer. Could also try finding a smaller kingpin nut but the kingpin itself will still poke up
Since I suck at skating and want to keep being terrible, I just wanted to try out Thunders (Team 147) and really like them so far, the pop is so good, tricks come way easier. But my main problem (apart from getting used to the baseplate thing) is kingpin clearance and I'm not even talking about smiths/feebles. I have to run them reeeeeally lose to get them as turny as I'm used to coming from Indys, but now the kingpin nut even hung up three times doing a 5050 on a shitty curb thats a bit wobly. Any recommendations on how to get them looser, but nut more flush? The Ishod way with two top bushings?
I have the kreper inverted kingpins in my 146s and the krux in mu 148s. The newer cast plates accommodate an inverted kingpin nicely, but the 148s are the old style and on these I had to flip the kingpin nut upside down.I did the same thing recently with the DLK on my thunders and have tons of clearance now. Knocking the kingpin out wasn't hard either once I figured out a good method.
Are you guys able to ride them loose?A quick and easy experiment you can do is just ditch the washers. Back when I was into really loose trucks that’s what I did. Definitely made wheelbite worse but that’s the price you pay for looser trucks especially on Thunder. Other than that, cutting the bushings or getting different bushings can work. Either two top bushings instead of a top and bottom or softer bushings. Bones soft bushings are super soft but also seem to wear down and crack really quickly.
Maybe something to get them looser/turnier is to run more of conical bushing?
Softer bushings? Cut your top bushing?
Are you guys able to ride them loose?I don't ride them particularly loose. Stock with the nut flush before I switched out the kingpins. Was able to get back to that with the DLK without the kingpin digging in to the board.
Maybe something to get them looser/turnier is to run more of conical bushing?
Softer bushings? Cut your top bushing?
I ran inverted in teams but had to skate them a bit tighter because I didn’t want the nut to pop off, plus thunders are bad for wheelbite. All the turn is in the top end….not a deep turning truck. .
I've said this many times but don't be afraid of risers on Thunders. An 1/8" riser pad destabilizes Thunders nicely, enhances the turn and prevents wheel bite.
It’s true and risers are probably the best answer…..it just seems counter intuitive when most people buy thunders because they are lower….
There are always the pro exceptions…but for the most part….
Asking someone who skates thunders how they skate them? : ‘medium’ when you stand on them: tight…. Go and do that with someone who skates Aces…..
Expand QuoteThere are always the pro exceptions…but for the most part….
Asking someone who skates thunders how they skate them? : ‘medium’ when you stand on them: tight…. Go and do that with someone who skates Aces…..[close]
Thunder 147's hollow low on a 8.25" deck with 53 mm wheels ... wheelbite all around.
Will the Real riserpads fix this ? I like to skate medium to tight trucks also , so might put in some Thunder 94A bushings.
Any thoughts or recommendations ? Really enjoy the small trucks though, my other setup has Indy 149's on a 8.5" deck. The weight difference is huge!
I'll keep preaching: Thunders + wheel wells = perfect match to avoid wheel bite
Gonna get more used to the trucks, but Im ordering the pads anyway.
Those polar decks have been on my radar for a while, never rode one though.
Now might be a good time ( excuse ) to try them out!
Thanks for the replies guys.
Anyone still running Bones in Thunders? If so, why? Just curious as I have only fucked with the stock bushings, but have some mediums in my gear bin and noticed people still do this.
Anyone still running Bones in Thunders? If so, why? Just curious as I have only fucked with the stock bushings, but have some mediums in my gear bin and noticed people still do this.I’ve been riding the Bones Hard bushings in my Thunders for a while. At the time Thunder aftermarket bushings were nowhere to be found so it was the best option for harder bushings. I’m around 190lbs and harder bushings are the only way I can get trucks to a medium-tight level and they’re doing that job quite well.
Anyone still running Bones in Thunders? If so, why? Just curious as I have only fucked with the stock bushings, but have some mediums in my gear bin and noticed people still do this.
Expand QuoteAnyone still running Bones in Thunders? If so, why? Just curious as I have only fucked with the stock bushings, but have some mediums in my gear bin and noticed people still do this.[close]
Thunder Lows. Bones soft without washers cuz I wouldn't be able to get the bolt fully and like the way they turn. Why? It's the only bushings I have..
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone still running Bones in Thunders? If so, why? Just curious as I have only fucked with the stock bushings, but have some mediums in my gear bin and noticed people still do this.[close]
Thunder Lows. Bones soft without washers cuz I wouldn't be able to get the bolt fully and like the way they turn. Why? It's the only bushings I have..[close]
You really have thunder lows?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone still running Bones in Thunders? If so, why? Just curious as I have only fucked with the stock bushings, but have some mediums in my gear bin and noticed people still do this.[close]
Thunder Lows. Bones soft without washers cuz I wouldn't be able to get the bolt fully and like the way they turn. Why? It's the only bushings I have..[close]
You really have thunder lows?[close]
I was wrong..haven't bought new trucks forever . They are 147 hi's.
Any advice would be appreciated.Thunder doesn’t make anything softer than 90a (as far as I know) so I would recommend the Bones Soft bushings. They’re 81a which should be perfect for him. I ride Bones bushings in my Thunders and they fit and work great. Independent makes some 78a bushings which might be even better but I’ve never tired Indy bushings in Thunders so I can’t speak on performance/compatibility.
Hello all,
My first post on this forum.
Searched around but I couldn’t find an answer for my question. Or I suck at searching, which is a real possibility.
My son who’s about 80lbs is having trouble turning on his new setup which has 147’s on stock (90a?) blue bushings.
We’ve gone out for 4 sessions, and I’m a stickler for proper break in procedure, he hasn’t been doing any drops or any tech.
Just carving and riding fast on flat, and aside from the how to break in bushings lesson I’m not a skate coach.
He still gets on 2 wheels on tight turns far from wheelbite.
Does Thunder make anything softer than 90’s or do I need to get my fat ass on that deck and break them in for him? I’m a bit concerned about that since I ride goofy and he’s regular and my switch game is tragic.
I broke in my black 100’s on my 148 in three sessions, but I weigh 200 and that probably makes break in time faster.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Expand QuoteHello all,
My first post on this forum.
Searched around but I couldn’t find an answer for my question. Or I suck at searching, which is a real possibility.
My son who’s about 80lbs is having trouble turning on his new setup which has 147’s on stock (90a?) blue bushings.
We’ve gone out for 4 sessions, and I’m a stickler for proper break in procedure, he hasn’t been doing any drops or any tech.
Just carving and riding fast on flat, and aside from the how to break in bushings lesson I’m not a skate coach.
He still gets on 2 wheels on tight turns far from wheelbite.
Does Thunder make anything softer than 90’s or do I need to get my fat ass on that deck and break them in for him? I’m a bit concerned about that since I ride goofy and he’s regular and my switch game is tragic.
I broke in my black 100’s on my 148 in three sessions, but I weigh 200 and that probably makes break in time faster.
Any advice would be appreciated.[close]
If you get a few carvy turns in, see if they loosen up at all (which I am thinking they should a bit) but watch that you don't get wheelbite and thrown off in the process.
No tricks needed, just roll around or even just stand on something like carpet or grass and lean heavy heel to toe to heel to toe, etc for a dozen of each and that should soften up the bushings quite a bit.
The only other thing I have done is cut them down some (cutting the top bushing down to make them lower tops gives way more clearance with the nut in the same place as well as the piece being able to be put back in if needed), but even rubbing the top bushing on grip tape to wear it down a bit should help a whole lot, which I know some others do with their Thunder bushings.
One other thing that is super simple and might actually be best to try first, but I know some people take off the bottom bushing washer and run the trucks as is like that which really does make them way looser. Others have put on a thin flat top washer, either of which will make everything turn way more and shouldn't affect performance of the trucks and avoids cutting or modifying anything - easy to try and if it doesn't work, just put the washers back on as they were.
They are all the options without having to buy anything new (apart from the flat top washer if you don't have any floating around) and at least trying a few of those can help to work out if the bushings will soften up or make the board easier to ride.
Stance is of no importance either - if the bushings end up leaning to one side, rotate them 90 degrees so they are facing forward / back, and not side to side from where they were.
Anyone still running Bones in Thunders? If so, why? Just curious as I have only fucked with the stock bushings, but have some mediums in my gear bin and noticed people still do this.
Yo gods anyone try Indy bushings on their Thunders? I usually rock the 95a bushings from the rebuild kit but my shop is out Thunder bushings and only has Indys. I'm struggling in between the 96a and 94a optiions but was more concerned if if they fit ok or not.indy bushings should be fine as long as you get the conical shaped ones. avoid the ones with the barrel bottoms as that will decrease the turning responsiveness that Thunder is known for.
80lbs is half the weight of a light adult. I would look into some of the Riptide bushings that come in soft duros or toss the Indy soft conical or Bones soft in. Personally I would run the stock top washer with Bones. It will bind with the hanger near the wheelbite and potentially save him some slams.
Another thought if you go the Indy conical route you can shave the top bushing down easier. You could just slice 1-2mm off.
Thank you to;
Scottboarding, Mbrimson88, and Richard Skidder,
Posting this as I make some coffee on my sons board on a door matt, back to front, leaning back and forth, if that doesn’t do the trick, I’ll remove the lower washer, and then if all else fails it’s off to bones softs.
Waxing soaping what now?
They’re tight cus the kid is 100lbs, nothing is squeaking…
thunders too tight. Usually it’s guys skating tight thunders saying they skate medium trucks….
Expand Quotethunders too tight. Usually it’s guys skating tight thunders saying they skate medium trucks….[close]
Agree with that for sure. Same vibe when people say "I don't get wheelbite and I ride 800mm wheels" riding their trucks tight AF.
Thanks man, Ill give them a try then and Ill report back.indy bushings should be fine as long as you get the conical shaped ones. avoid the ones with the barrel bottoms as that will decrease the turning responsiveness that Thunder is known for.Expand QuoteYo gods anyone try Indy bushings on their Thunders? I usually rock the 95a bushings from the rebuild kit but my shop is out Thunder bushings and only has Indys. I'm struggling in between the 96a and 94a optiions but was more concerned if if they fit ok or not.[close]
I think stock thunder is pretty loose for sure.No they ARE medium I just have very strong ankles.....Expand QuoteExpand Quotethunders too tight. Usually it’s guys skating tight thunders saying they skate medium trucks….[close]
Agree with that for sure. Same vibe when people say "I don't get wheelbite and I ride 800mm wheels" riding their trucks tight AF.[close]
*cough Ben Degros….
Honestly when I skated thunders I skated them prettty tight too. If I had to do it all over I’d prolly skate bones hard.
Might give them a try again when/if they drop the inverted kingpin, they look decent…
No they ARE medium I just have very strong ankles.....Expand QuoteI think stock thunder is pretty loose for sure.Expand QuoteExpand Quotethunders too tight. Usually it’s guys skating tight thunders saying they skate medium trucks….[close]
Agree with that for sure. Same vibe when people say "I don't get wheelbite and I ride 800mm wheels" riding their trucks tight AF.[close]
*cough Ben Degros….
Honestly when I skated thunders I skated them prettty tight too. If I had to do it all over I’d prolly skate bones hard.
Might give them a try again when/if they drop the inverted kingpin, they look decent…[close]
hey there goodatmeth and skatebruh,
Xan
NFG has 90a half conicals in 14mm, is that what you're suggesting? with washers? I do the figure 8 method of sanding so thanks for that advice.
Thank you for all the replies.
Cut the top bushing a tad maybe. Or just get 148s since they're taller and have more clearance. Mine are decently worn and I grind my kingpin sometimes but it doesn't bother me.
Are team hollows not a thing anymore?
Are team hollows not a thing anymore?
Guess I gotta re-enter truck madness if I wanna learn back smithsJust gotta learn how to do them proper my dude.
Guess I gotta re-enter truck madness if I wanna learn back smiths
Guess I gotta re-enter truck madness if I wanna learn back smithsventure
Team plates for inverted pins if only for ease of pin removal…I’ve done forged with inverted, king nut will dig into the deck some, you could grind it down prior…I just cranked it down and it dug in. These days I don’t find the IKP worth the dyi hassle + the added weight.
Maybe this is not best thread to post this question but does anyone know why there are no Thunder Titaniums in Europe any more?Have to imagine when any product becomes unavailable it's mostly because it's not worth the effort to produce and distribute for the profit or makes.
You can't find them anywhere and it's been like that for quite some time now.
Maybe this is not best thread to post this question but does anyone know why there are no Thunder Titaniums in Europe any more?
You can't find them anywhere and it's been like that for quite some time now.
Stoked on my team hollows. Truck madness in full effect haha. One setup with ventures, one with Indy’s, main one with these team hollow thunders.
I might be crazy but I usually rock a harder bushing on the bottom, stock on top and I ride my trucks medium loose. Might just be in my head but I feel like it gives the truck stability?
Anyone else rock harder bushings but keep their trucks loose?
Looking for bushings that would work in thunders as well. I’ve been digging the conical bottom bushing but not sure what it really does.
Supercush/bones in thunders? Or something that doesn’t change the geometry I guess?
My experience with bones is that they ride fine but don’t last for shit. I swear I always crack bushings.
Might just be in my head but I feel like it gives the truck stability?
Anyone else rock harder bushings but keep their trucks loose?
Yes I have definitely found this.
I use the Indy 92 duro conical bushings and they are more stable than the 90 stock, which also work well enough in Thunder trucks too when I tried them.
For Thunder if you did want to keep it brand appropriate the rebuild kits or the bushing tubes have the various duro options, including the 94 duro tube or 95 duro rebuild sets.
https://thundertrucks.com/catalog/fall22/14-th-fall-22-d1-cat-accesories.jpg
(https://thundertrucks.com/catalog/fall22/14-th-fall-22-d1-cat-accesories.jpg)
For the most part, yes. Other than the forged plates being made in China. Hangers and cast plates are US and assembled here as well. Hardware is Chinese sourced.
Expand QuoteFor the most part, yes. Other than the forged plates being made in China. Hangers and cast plates are US and assembled here as well. Hardware is Chinese sourced.[close]
afaik thunders and ventures are still made at ermico
I wanna try some thunders, gonna order me the team hollows, what size conical full do you guys recommend? Gonna be mostly the streetI've always had luck with 54mm conical fulls although a lot of people say thats too much bite. I just wax the shit out of my wheel wells and it's fine. The wheelbite is what provides that sweet crook lock in I'm looking for anyways when I ride thunders.
I wanna try some thunders, gonna order me the team hollows, what size conical full do you guys recommend? Gonna be mostly the street
Expand QuoteI wanna try some thunders, gonna order me the team hollows, what size conical full do you guys recommend? Gonna be mostly the street[close]
I'm currently riding 57mm radials on standard thunders, no problem at all because the deck concave is quite steep.
54mm definitely works, maybe 56 depending on your deck.
Or buy whatever wheels you want and make some wheel wells, it's fun.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI wanna try some thunders, gonna order me the team hollows, what size conical full do you guys recommend? Gonna be mostly the street[close]
I'm currently riding 57mm radials on standard thunders, no problem at all because the deck concave is quite steep.
54mm definitely works, maybe 56 depending on your deck.
Or buy whatever wheels you want and make some wheel wells, it's fun.[close]
I think my board is mellow, can you show me a pick of a your steep deck. Sounds very personal
anyone know of any 1/16" risers that fit thunders? i only know of the shock pads Ace makes, but I'm assuming those won't fit properly.
Your best bet would be to get some clear lexan or plastic, use spray glue to glue to your baseplate (it comes off in the future don't worry, then trim it using a sharp utility knife.
Expand Quoteanyone know of any 1/16" risers that fit thunders? i only know of the shock pads Ace makes, but I'm assuming those won't fit properly.[close]
The couple of brands of "shock pads" which are super thin soft rubber risers that I have were very easy to use a blade and lengthen the holes to fit nicely under the offset Thunder baseplates.
Another guy I know just cuts up bike inner tube for risers, which is just the right height for what you want and you can easily trim it to size, as well as having a lot of tube left over if you mess it up the first time.
Depending on where you are or what is close in the way of shops and access, any thin rubber sheeting will work, or even stiff cardboard like header cards for things you buy at the supermarket.
Expand QuoteYour best bet would be to get some clear lexan or plastic, use spray glue to glue to your baseplate (it comes off in the future don't worry, then trim it using a sharp utility knife.[close]Expand QuoteExpand Quoteanyone know of any 1/16" risers that fit thunders? i only know of the shock pads Ace makes, but I'm assuming those won't fit properly.[close]
The couple of brands of "shock pads" which are super thin soft rubber risers that I have were very easy to use a blade and lengthen the holes to fit nicely under the offset Thunder baseplates.
Another guy I know just cuts up bike inner tube for risers, which is just the right height for what you want and you can easily trim it to size, as well as having a lot of tube left over if you mess it up the first time.
Depending on where you are or what is close in the way of shops and access, any thin rubber sheeting will work, or even stiff cardboard like header cards for things you buy at the supermarket.[close]
Thanks you two, informative as always. I was hoping to find something that worked "out of the box" but I guess messing with some rubber isn't the hardest thing. I typically wouldn't even want to use any type of riser since the height of thunders are perfect but the wheelbite is killing me.
Team plates are 52mm and a +3.125 WB. Forged are 50.5 and a +3.25WB. Hangers can go in both if you are talking 148 and up.Yeah, 149s. That's perfect thanks!
Having a kind of annoying experience recently and not sure if I should contact DLX:
After a week or two of skating my top washer bends upwards significantly. I'm tightening them slightly beyond flush, but still no threads showing basically top of kingpin even with top of nyloc. Eventually there is an imprint of the kingpin nut and the trucks get noticeably looser so I then have to tighten a half turn and it gets worse. With the current washers I've had to do a full turn to keep them the same and it's just getting worse.
I got a second set of trucks when I switched to 149 and same thing is happening with those now too. I do a decent amount of slappies but nothing insane. I bought some generic cupped washers but apparently they were slightly too small and destroyed my top bushings.
I've never experienced this with another truck and don't wanna be having to constantly tighten and adjust my shit.
Expand QuoteHaving a kind of annoying experience recently and not sure if I should contact DLX:
After a week or two of skating my top washer bends upwards significantly. I'm tightening them slightly beyond flush, but still no threads showing basically top of kingpin even with top of nyloc. Eventually there is an imprint of the kingpin nut and the trucks get noticeably looser so I then have to tighten a half turn and it gets worse. With the current washers I've had to do a full turn to keep them the same and it's just getting worse.
I got a second set of trucks when I switched to 149 and same thing is happening with those now too. I do a decent amount of slappies but nothing insane. I bought some generic cupped washers but apparently they were slightly too small and destroyed my top bushings.
I've never experienced this with another truck and don't wanna be having to constantly tighten and adjust my shit.[close]
I’d contact them. If you’re in the US, I would insist they’ll send you some truck rebuild kits if nothing else.
That’s super weird though. I weigh 260lbs and do a fair amount of slappies, and grinds, and an overall hard on stuff as a result of my size, and I’ve never had that shit happen. I used to rock my shit pretty tight, but now I keep them looser, so I would think if it was going to happen I would have encountered it based on the wide variety of setups I’ve had. I rock the 151s, but I’ve had 149s as well and never had washer issues.
Bought a Twin tail on sale, so I guess I should buy new bushings to break it in even? Or should they not even out anyway?
Unless the bushings are cracked or you ride one truck way different than the other you prob won't notice as long as you just set them up the same. Urethane doesn't have memory properties in practical terms. The bushings would have to be really old and damaged to be drastically different. But a rebuild kit is <$10 if you want to be sure
Just broke my hanger in some 148 hollow light, do you guys know if that is something under warranty? I live in France so I don't know if dlxsf can do something, do you guys have any contact at dlx?
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Just broke my hanger in some 148 hollow light, do you guys know if that is something under warranty? I live in France so I don't know if dlxsf can do something, do you guys have any contact at dlx?
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I skate 2 to 3 times a month unless it's summer, so it's not that much (that would be 3 to 4 months of daily skating. The trucks had a lot of life. I contacted deluxe and will see what they say.Expand QuoteJust broke my hanger in some 148 hollow light, do you guys know if that is something under warranty? I live in France so I don't know if dlxsf can do something, do you guys have any contact at dlx?
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2 years of skateboarding? Might be best just to suck it up and purchase a new pair...
I skate 2 to 3 times a month unless it's summer, so it's not that much (that would be 3 to 4 months of daily skating. The trucks had a lot of life. I contacted deluxe and will see what they say.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust broke my hanger in some 148 hollow light, do you guys know if that is something under warranty? I live in France so I don't know if dlxsf can do something, do you guys have any contact at dlx?
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2 years of skateboarding? Might be best just to suck it up and purchase a new pair...[close]
That’s gotta be under warranty. If you don’t hear back try to DM them on Instagram. Thunder usually responds there within a day or two. Best of luck to you![email protected] handles warranty issues, hit him direct if you haven't heard back
thanks! I'll wait for a couple days then hit him up.[email protected] handles warranty issues, hit him direct if you haven't heard backExpand QuoteThat’s gotta be under warranty. If you don’t hear back try to DM them on Instagram. Thunder usually responds there within a day or two. Best of luck to you![close]
I feel your pain, it looks like you were having a lot of fun on those 148’s! I hope they get you sorted out.
So I just got some team hollows and just riding around the rear truck sort of sticks to one side, the bushing doesn't rebound. When I flip the board over the truck is angled, maybe I tightened them too much ? Sorry new to thisThat's just the stock bushing saying hi. For real tho, thunder bushings take forever to break in for me.
So I just got some team hollows and just riding around the rear truck sort of sticks to one side, the bushing doesn't rebound. When I flip the board over the truck is angled, maybe I tightened them too much ? Sorry new to this
I been riding ace and indy for 4 years now. I never tried thunders. Should i go hollow lights 8.25 trucks like mark suciu?
I been riding ace and indy for 4 years now. I never tried thunders. Should i go hollow lights 8.25 trucks like mark suciu?
Don't get hollow lights, get a cast variant. Hollow lights are a lot lighter and significantly lower and it'll be more jarring. I like Thunders and I still don't skate those.
would you say thunder are one of the better trucks if you like tighter trucks?
would you say thunder are one of the better trucks if you like tighter trucks?
Expand Quotewould you say thunder are one of the better trucks if you like tighter trucks?[close]
Yes. but why not just go for Venture at that point.
I’m setting up an 8.5 Hockey board and after a stable truck to fit it. Mostlynrode indys, moved to aces for the carve but for this set up I want something stable that will help my pop while learning flips etc.
Do I just tighten some Indy Hollows, or try Thunders? Want some light trucks.
my friends wife hit me up to build him a complete for christmas so i put thunder hi's on. he doesnt like super tight trucks, just in between. I personally am not huge on Low trucks but maybe looking back i should have done Low's. i dont think he will notice the difference, im pretty sure he is coming from Indy's so maybe it will feel better for him to transition. I just wanted to get him something different than Indy's that was still quality. did not want to go to Ace's cause that would have been too loose. Didnt want to go Ventures cause that would be too tight.thunders are great and hope he enjoys them.
Expand QuoteI’m setting up an 8.5 Hockey board and after a stable truck to fit it. Mostlynrode indys, moved to aces for the carve but for this set up I want something stable that will help my pop while learning flips etc.
Do I just tighten some Indy Hollows, or try Thunders? Want some light trucks.[close]
If you already have indy hollows try them first, because youre used to them. But if you're set on picking up something new, thunders sound like what you're looking for.
I’m setting up an 8.5 Hockey board and after a stable truck to fit it. Mostlynrode indys, moved to aces for the carve but for this set up I want something stable that will help my pop while learning flips etc.
Do I just tighten some Indy Hollows, or try Thunders? Want some light trucks.
Or because you can't pop because of the steep pop angle.Expand QuoteExpand Quotewould you say thunder are one of the better trucks if you like tighter trucks?[close]
Yes. but why not just go for Venture at that point.[close]
Because you prefer a better grind.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI’m setting up an 8.5 Hockey board and after a stable truck to fit it. Mostlynrode indys, moved to aces for the carve but for this set up I want something stable that will help my pop while learning flips etc.
Do I just tighten some Indy Hollows, or try Thunders? Want some light trucks.[close]
If you already have indy hollows try them first, because youre used to them. But if you're set on picking up something new, thunders sound like what you're looking for.[close]
Right before I went to Thunder I was on Indy forged hollow and I was using the blue aftermarket Indy bushings. It made them more stable and worked well. You could try that before going straight for new trucks if you’re hyped on your grooves. I ended up getting Thunder for the exact reasons you mentioned and I love them.
Even standard thunders are significantly lighter than any Indy or ace. Maybe just start with some
Team Editions or lights and go from there
Expand QuoteEven standard thunders are significantly lighter than any Indy or ace. Maybe just start with some
Team Editions or lights and go from there[close]
Cool thanks. What’s the deal with the team editions?
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I forget who said it, but someone had mentioned before that the "Truck Styles" page would be correct if they actually said it was for 147s only, which was the truck width they used for all their model pics and videos.
The other page in that area actually has everything listed correctly, specifically the width to the heights, as @LebowskisRug said above which vary as the trucks get wider, they get taller.
I was wondering about the new 181s, but as they have there, same as the 161s at 53mm in height.
To make it very clear, the hangers are the one mold, just the baseplates that are different in height from cast / team to forged:
Cast / team baseplates
143, 145 and 147 at 50mm
148, 149 and 151 at 52mm
161 and 181 at 53mm
Forged baseplates
145 and 147 at 49mm
148, 149 and 151 at 51mm
161 at 52mm
https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/
I also found it interesting how they change the bushing colours over the years, as they used to be yellow, then some green, some teal, the 148s specifically orange when they came out, etc.
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I forget who said it, but someone had mentioned before that the "Truck Styles" page would be correct if they actually said it was for 147s only, which was the truck width they used for all their model pics and videos.
The other page in that area actually has everything listed correctly, specifically the width to the heights, as @LebowskisRug said above which vary as the trucks get wider, they get taller.
I was wondering about the new 181s, but as they have there, same as the 161s at 53mm in height.
To make it very clear, the hangers are the one mold, just the baseplates that are different in height from cast / team to forged:
Cast / team baseplates
143, 145 and 147 at 50mm
148, 149 and 151 at 52mm
161 and 181 at 53mm
Forged baseplates
145 and 147 at 49mm
148, 149 and 151 at 51mm
161 at 52mm
https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/
I also found it interesting how they change the bushing colours over the years, as they used to be yellow, then some green, some teal, the 148s specifically orange when they came out, etc.[close]
Y'all should put this at the top like that awesome Indy thread 8)
I’m seeing Thunder 147s for $35 & Thunder lights 147 for $50. I really want lights but is it worth that little more or I’m just wasting my money? Sorry for the amateur question I’ve only rode 139 standards & wanted to switch it up.
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I forget who said it, but someone had mentioned before that the "Truck Styles" page would be correct if they actually said it was for 147s only, which was the truck width they used for all their model pics and videos.
The other page in that area actually has everything listed correctly, specifically the width to the heights, as @LebowskisRug said above which vary as the trucks get wider, they get taller.
I was wondering about the new 181s, but as they have there, same as the 161s at 53mm in height.
To make it very clear, the hangers are the one mold, just the baseplates that are different in height from cast / team to forged:
Cast / team baseplates
143, 145 and 147 at 50mm
148, 149 and 151 at 52mm
161 and 181 at 53mm
Forged baseplates
145 and 147 at 49mm
148, 149 and 151 at 51mm
161 at 52mm
https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/
I also found it interesting how they change the bushing colours over the years, as they used to be yellow, then some green, some teal, the 148s specifically orange when they came out, etc.[close]
Y'all should put this at the top like that awesome Indy thread 8)[close]
I am more than happy to add this to the first post. I do need help though. I know how to quote for the purpose of responding ( like this response I’m typing here ), but I don’t know how to quote and post to a different page.
weird, on Thinkempire it lists the 149 specificially as a "HI"
Sounds like it will be great for that hockey board anyway
Team plates are 52mm and a +3.125 WB. Forged are 50.5 and a +3.25WB. Hangers can go in both if you are talking 148 and up.
Expand QuoteTeam plates are 52mm and a +3.125 WB. Forged are 50.5 and a +3.25WB. Hangers can go in both if you are talking 148 and up.[close]
Hey Lebowski, I've been mad busy and not on here much just catching up.
I wanted to follow up on the second part of your comment - I know 148+ are higher, but I assumed it was all in the hanger. Are there differences in the baseplate 148+ as well? I always assumed thunder hangers and baseplates were compatible regardless of size like Ventures are.
Sorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best
Expand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine
Expand QuoteTeam plates are 52mm and a +3.125 WB. Forged are 50.5 and a +3.25WB. Hangers can go in both if you are talking 148 and up.[close]
Hey Lebowski, I've been mad busy and not on here much just catching up.
I wanted to follow up on the second part of your comment - I know 148+ are higher, but I assumed it was all in the hanger. Are there differences in the baseplate 148+ as well? I always assumed thunder hangers and baseplates were compatible regardless of size like Ventures are.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.
i can't imagine any pros doing this lol it seems illegal and i wouldn't want to be caught doing thisExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.
i can't imagine any pros doing this lol it seems illegal and i wouldn't want to be caught doing thisExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.[close]
Expand Quotei can't imagine any pros doing this lol it seems illegal and i wouldn't want to be caught doing thisExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.[close][close]
I remember people saying Lucas Puig used to do that. I tried putting thunder hollow hangars on venture forged baseplates and couldn't quite figure out the bushings. Maybe venture standard plates might fit better, but I'm not gonna bother trying it
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.[close]
False
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLBsFaTdhpg
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.[close]
False
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLBsFaTdhpg[close]
I'll take that L i guess, it was discussed somewhere else on here. Guess you cant believe everything you read on SLAP, im shocked. Maybe he was at one point or something idk?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.[close]
False
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLBsFaTdhpg[close]
I'll take that L i guess, it was discussed somewhere else on here. Guess you cant believe everything you read on SLAP, im shocked. Maybe he was at one point or something idk?[close]
I remember reading that as well. He and another skater, Johnny something (wears dunks, lots of china footage).
Seems extreme. But then you have Koston drilling the baseplates sooo
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.[close]
False
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLBsFaTdhpg[close]
I'll take that L i guess, it was discussed somewhere else on here. Guess you cant believe everything you read on SLAP, im shocked. Maybe he was at one point or something idk?[close]
I remember reading that as well. He and another skater, Johnny something (wears dunks, lots of china footage).
Seems extreme. But then you have Koston drilling the baseplates sooo[close]
? ... go on.
why would you wnat to change the position of the holes on the baseplate?
Expand Quotewhy would you wnat to change the position of the holes on the baseplate?[close]
Changes the axle position/wb. I think…?
It doesn't negate the slide at all. The plate still sticks out beyond the wheels. The problem with Thunders is that the entire plate is biased toward the front of the deck, but the hanger isn't. Redrilling any other truck doesn't introduce that bias. Plus there is more metal beyond the pivot cup and it angles downwards at a gentler angle/extends further beyond the back bolts. It seems he uses a 1/4" c-c offset which makes them the same WB as an Indy. Seems kinda cool actually.
I'm on the Thunder hollow lights w/ forged base and I don't feel like I have issues sliding my nose and tail slides?
Is that why people don't like them? I've been riding Thunders exclusively for several years so maybe I'm just used to it?
I'm on the Thunder hollow lights w/ forged base and I don't feel like I have issues sliding my nose and tail slides?
Is that why people don't like them? I've been riding Thunders exclusively for several years so maybe I'm just used to it?
I don't know but this revelation and the pair of ventures I have collecting dust on a shelf in my garage is making me think I need to spend some time in the gear madness support thread before I relapse.Expand QuoteExpand Quotei can't imagine any pros doing this lol it seems illegal and i wouldn't want to be caught doing thisExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if i missed it, but has anyone tried thunder hangars on venture baseplates?
I like how thunders grind, but tailslides on the venture baseplates are the best[close]
It's not an ideal fit but it works fine[close]
Ish Cepeda runs them like this, I think some other pros do as well.[close][close]
I remember people saying Lucas Puig used to do that. I tried putting thunder hollow hangars on venture forged baseplates and couldn't quite figure out the bushings. Maybe venture standard plates might fit better, but I'm not gonna bother trying it[close]
A handful of people do. Deluxe owns both companies so who really cares.
I would never buy forged plate Thunders again.How come?
Not OP, but my forged 147s gave me way too much wheelbite without risers on 52mm wheels.How come?Expand QuoteI would never buy forged plate Thunders again.[close]
How come?Expand QuoteI would never buy forged plate Thunders again.[close]
49.78mm does seem very short for a truck. This is why I hopped on this thread before checking out my cart.Ishod skates 147s as well, pretty sure a lot of pros do. I’m on a set right now with a kreper inverted kingpin (cast plates) and they are great.
But apparently TJ skates the 147s hollow lights in the lastest thunder ad. (Expand photo for truck details)
I guess it works well for some people.(https://i.ibb.co/7kmWSDg/0-D526-E4-C-F953-49-A8-88-E3-7-D0-D3-A9781-AA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7kmWSDg)
Maybe. I checked the ads & the riders setup videos and they seem to matchup. I just wanted to make sure about the 147s though.I’d say if you are interested, and like 8-8.25 decks, give them a shot. I like 147s a lot on the girl g008 shape (8”)
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Just here to remind the gods that Ishod skates 147s and he skates an 8.38. Use that info as you please.
I personally find it amazing since he skates huge shit whether its street or transition
Just here to remind the gods that Ishod skates 147s and he skates an 8.38. Use that info as you please.
I personally find it amazing since he skates huge shit whether its street or transition
Expand QuoteJust here to remind the gods that Ishod skates 147s and he skates an 8.38. Use that info as you please.
I personally find it amazing since he skates huge shit whether its street or transition[close]
Risers and 3-4 washers inside each wheel he's basically on a weird 148.
In his setup video Ish Cepeda said he's riding Jamie Foy's 149 but normally rides 147, Julian Lewis said he rides 148 because they are 8.38, and Suciu thinks he hits his wheel pushing on 149. Pros say a lot of stuff and I often wonder if they know any of the differences between the gear.
thanks! I'll wait for a couple days then hit him up.Expand Quote[email protected] handles warranty issues, hit him direct if you haven't heard backExpand QuoteThat’s gotta be under warranty. If you don’t hear back try to DM them on Instagram. Thunder usually responds there within a day or two. Best of luck to you![close][close]Expand QuoteI feel your pain, it looks like you were having a lot of fun on those 148’s! I hope they get you sorted out.[close]
Yeah really great trucks, i've put indys from my cruiser set up while I try to sort it up, but the difference in weight is a big issue
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust here to remind the gods that Ishod skates 147s and he skates an 8.38. Use that info as you please.
I personally find it amazing since he skates huge shit whether its street or transition[close]
Risers and 3-4 washers inside each wheel he's basically on a weird 148.
In his setup video Ish Cepeda said he's riding Jamie Foy's 149 but normally rides 147, Julian Lewis said he rides 148 because they are 8.38, and Suciu thinks he hits his wheel pushing on 149. Pros say a lot of stuff and I often wonder if they know any of the differences between the gear.[close]
Watched a Torey Pudwill setup video the other day where he said he likes wider wheels because having more surface area makes them slide faster…
Thunder has enough varied offerings that you never know what explanation/description you’re going to get from pros I feel like
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust here to remind the gods that Ishod skates 147s and he skates an 8.38. Use that info as you please.
I personally find it amazing since he skates huge shit whether its street or transition[close]
Risers and 3-4 washers inside each wheel he's basically on a weird 148.
In his setup video Ish Cepeda said he's riding Jamie Foy's 149 but normally rides 147, Julian Lewis said he rides 148 because they are 8.38, and Suciu thinks he hits his wheel pushing on 149. Pros say a lot of stuff and I often wonder if they know any of the differences between the gear.[close]
Watched a Torey Pudwill setup video the other day where he said he likes wider wheels because having more surface area makes them slide faster…
Thunder has enough varied offerings that you never know what explanation/description you’re going to get from pros I feel like[close]
Torey looks like a guy that wouldn't have the strongest grasp on concepts like friction and physics
Expand Quotethanks! I'll wait for a couple days then hit him up.Expand Quote[email protected] handles warranty issues, hit him direct if you haven't heard backExpand QuoteThat’s gotta be under warranty. If you don’t hear back try to DM them on Instagram. Thunder usually responds there within a day or two. Best of luck to you![close][close]Expand QuoteI feel your pain, it looks like you were having a lot of fun on those 148’s! I hope they get you sorted out.[close]
Yeah really great trucks, i've put indys from my cruiser set up while I try to sort it up, but the difference in weight is a big issue[close]
I just received the replacement trucks. Cameron at Dlxsf and V7 were really helpful. I have to admit that the DLX customer service is the best I've seen even outside of skateboarding.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust here to remind the gods that Ishod skates 147s and he skates an 8.38. Use that info as you please.
I personally find it amazing since he skates huge shit whether its street or transition[close]
Risers and 3-4 washers inside each wheel he's basically on a weird 148.
In his setup video Ish Cepeda said he's riding Jamie Foy's 149 but normally rides 147, Julian Lewis said he rides 148 because they are 8.38, and Suciu thinks he hits his wheel pushing on 149. Pros say a lot of stuff and I often wonder if they know any of the differences between the gear.[close]
Watched a Torey Pudwill setup video the other day where he said he likes wider wheels because having more surface area makes them slide faster…
Thunder has enough varied offerings that you never know what explanation/description you’re going to get from pros I feel like[close]
Torey looks like a guy that wouldn't have the strongest grasp on concepts like friction and physics[close]
As somewhat of an actual physicist, he's right
sorry for the prolly dumb question but i’m looking at the hollow lights and if i’m getting an 8.125 deck, should i get 147s or 148s?? i mostly skate low impact manuals and ledges. thnx
Expand Quotesorry for the prolly dumb question but i’m looking at the hollow lights and if i’m getting an 8.125 deck, should i get 147s or 148s?? i mostly skate low impact manuals and ledges. thnx[close]
It's okay to ask. 147 are 8.0 and 148 are 8.25
Decide if you want slightly wider trucks or slightly wider board and pick. Personally I like my board being slightly wider so I would go 147.
Me and my last pair of "kingpin nuts barely hanging on and still tight af" thunders were wondering if we could live in your reality for a bit.Expand QuoteExpand Quotesorry for the prolly dumb question but i’m looking at the hollow lights and if i’m getting an 8.125 deck, should i get 147s or 148s?? i mostly skate low impact manuals and ledges. thnx[close]
It's okay to ask. 147 are 8.0 and 148 are 8.25
Decide if you want slightly wider trucks or slightly wider board and pick. Personally I like my board being slightly wider so I would go 147.[close]
Since thunders feel kinda loose stock and are low they can feel a lil unstable at times- at least for me....oh god where am i going with this? Did anybody even ask?
Me and my last pair of "kingpin nuts barely hanging on and still tight af" thunders were wondering if we could live in your reality for a bit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesorry for the prolly dumb question but i’m looking at the hollow lights and if i’m getting an 8.125 deck, should i get 147s or 148s?? i mostly skate low impact manuals and ledges. thnx[close]
It's okay to ask. 147 are 8.0 and 148 are 8.25
Decide if you want slightly wider trucks or slightly wider board and pick. Personally I like my board being slightly wider so I would go 147.[close]
Since thunders feel kinda loose stock and are low they can feel a lil unstable at times- at least for me....oh god where am i going with this? Did anybody even ask?[close]
Me and my last pair of "kingpin nuts barely hanging on and still tight af" thunders were wondering if we could live in your reality for a bit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesorry for the prolly dumb question but i’m looking at the hollow lights and if i’m getting an 8.125 deck, should i get 147s or 148s?? i mostly skate low impact manuals and ledges. thnx[close]
It's okay to ask. 147 are 8.0 and 148 are 8.25
Decide if you want slightly wider trucks or slightly wider board and pick. Personally I like my board being slightly wider so I would go 147.[close]
Since thunders feel kinda loose stock and are low they can feel a lil unstable at times- at least for me....oh god where am i going with this? Did anybody even ask?[close]
I fucking hate wheelbite but thunder 149 standard on 1/8 risers and 55+ wheels is such an amazing combo for any type of deck.
The height comes out close to an indy or maybe taller but it doesnt matter since the trucks are so light the pop feel isnt really affected, and the control is so nice on switch tricks compared to any other cast truck (except maybe ventures but I fucking hate their feel now)
When Slap is constantly bragging about loose trucks I just think back to the Busenitz Bunt episode when they ask him what the worst trend is and he reponds: "people who ride their trucks too loose" and rails on weak of a flex that is.
Matt Rodriguez "unitnteresting?"
Expand QuoteMatt Rodriguez "unitnteresting?"[close]
Matt Rodriguez can actually skate well. Trucks that are too loose can be just as bad as trucks that are too tight in the wrong hands. It can hinder your abilities. I personally like to skate my trucks loose. It helps me with pinching grinds and setting up for flip tricks
Expand QuoteMatt Rodriguez "unitnteresting?"[close]
Matt Rodriguez can actually skate well. Trucks that are too loose can be just as bad as trucks that are too tight in the wrong hands. It can hinder your abilities. I personally like to skate my trucks loose. It helps me with pinching grinds and setting up for flip tricks
Thunders used to come looser. I know they say that they still use 90a stock bushings, but something isn’t the same. It’s when they made the switch from the green to the blue bushings. There was a slight tweak in the design around 2014ish if memory serves me right and that might’ve been what changed things. They’re still the best truck imo
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMatt Rodriguez "unitnteresting?"[close]
Matt Rodriguez can actually skate well. Trucks that are too loose can be just as bad as trucks that are too tight in the wrong hands. It can hinder your abilities. I personally like to skate my trucks loose. It helps me with pinching grinds and setting up for flip tricks
Thunders used to come looser. I know they say that they still use 90a stock bushings, but something isn’t the same. It’s when they made the switch from the green to the blue bushings. There was a slight tweak in the design around 2014ish if memory serves me right and that might’ve been what changed things. They’re still the best truck imo[close]
Damn, I swear they got looser over recent years. I used to rock mine always with nylock equal to top of kingpin, which was basically stock. Now I rock it prob 1/2 to full turn more, which is not a thread showing. Feel pretty much the same.
Man coming from 50-60 degree weather to Florida for vacation and I'm reminded of the ever changing durometer of Thunder bushings. Was comical to step on my board fresh off the plane.
Matt Rodriguez "unitnteresting?"
So M Rod rides his trucks that way to 'seek attention?'
On Taylor Kirby's story.. One more person leaving indy for thunder ?
I wonder why many are leaving Independent when they have always skated for them.. Maybe Independent has warned its skaters that the construction is in China now ?
Anyone have axle bend issues on Thunders? I noticed when I set my board down only 2-3 out of the 4 wheels touched the ground at once. 149 Team hangers. Not a bushing issue either as my 148 hangers with same plates and bushings don't do this. Took them off and my axles are definitely bent on the front. Only other set of axles I have ever bent were Ti Thunders.
Expand QuoteOn Taylor Kirby's story.. One more person leaving indy for thunder ?
I wonder why many are leaving Independent when they have always skated for them.. Maybe Independent has warned its skaters that the construction is in China now ?[close]
I'd say it probably comes down to their deals with NHS and DLX.
Money is the biggest reason pros change their setups after many years of being on the same thing.
I asked two pros why they switched and they said "The trucks just showed up in my Spitfire box and I tried them and they're great". Also, Kirby skates with Julian Davidson, who skates for Thunder so it coulda been Julian's board.On shinpei uenos insta a while back I think he got surprised to find out he was included in the team lineup when he didn't even know he rode for them
Prob not worth reading into much. Now, if someone like Reynolds were to switch....
I asked two pros why they switched and they said "The trucks just showed up in my Spitfire box and I tried them and they're great". Also, Kirby skates with Julian Davidson, who skates for Thunder so it coulda been Julian's board.
Prob not worth reading into much. Now, if someone like Reynolds were to switch....
Expand QuoteI asked two pros why they switched and they said "The trucks just showed up in my Spitfire box and I tried them and they're great". Also, Kirby skates with Julian Davidson, who skates for Thunder so it coulda been Julian's board.
Prob not worth reading into much. Now, if someone like Reynolds were to switch....[close]
Imagine Reynolds skating for Venture.. :D He already said that he likes these trucks, and we see him being a fan of GX1000, where many ride Venture.. He also skates with Kader, it can influence him haha
A change to venture would be more likely as it's closer to indy in feel and height! The feel on Thunder is totally different.. ;D
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI asked two pros why they switched and they said "The trucks just showed up in my Spitfire box and I tried them and they're great". Also, Kirby skates with Julian Davidson, who skates for Thunder so it coulda been Julian's board.
Prob not worth reading into much. Now, if someone like Reynolds were to switch....[close]
Imagine Reynolds skating for Venture.. :D He already said that he likes these trucks, and we see him being a fan of GX1000, where many ride Venture.. He also skates with Kader, it can influence him haha
A change to venture would be more likely as it's closer to indy in feel and height! The feel on Thunder is totally different.. ;D[close]
Reynolds skates his trucks pretty tight so ventures might be doable. And he's more flip/manny/slide focused so the worse grind might not be as big of a deal to him.
His older legs might not do so well with that hefty pop though. OR, it might be exactly what he needs for a second wind!
He def has a bit of madness though, i would be surprised if he swapped
When Slap is constantly bragging about loose trucks I just think back to the Busenitz Bunt episode when they ask him what the worst trend is and he reponds: "people who ride their trucks too loose" and rails on weak of a flex that is.
I fucking hate wheelbite but thunder 149 standard on 1/8 risers and 55+ wheels is such an amazing combo for any type of deck.
The height comes out close to an indy or maybe taller but it doesnt matter since the trucks are so light the pop feel isnt really affected, and the control is so nice on switch tricks compared to any other cast truck (except maybe ventures but I fucking hate their feel now)
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The interesting thing with that pic is it doesn't give an accurate representation of where the axle actually sits on both.
Baseplates are lined up to the bolt holes, not the kingpin and pivot cup, but either way it is still interesting to see things like that side by side.
Lining up Ace, Indy, Thunder and Venture in that order along the axle line really shows how little there is between them, but it is still significant in that even 1 - 2 mm can make such a big difference overall.
Either way I wonder how many people might now try this themselves if they have everything lying around. Some truck parts pair up better than others, but not everything goes with everything else.
Thanks for posting too.
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The interesting thing with that pic is it doesn't give an accurate representation of where the axle actually sits on both.
Baseplates are lined up to the bolt holes, not the kingpin and pivot cup, but either way it is still interesting to see things like that side by side.
Lining up Ace, Indy, Thunder and Venture in that order along the axle line really shows how little there is between them, but it is still significant in that even 1 - 2 mm can make such a big difference overall.
Either way I wonder how many people might now try this themselves if they have everything lying around. Some truck parts pair up better than others, but not everything goes with everything else.
Thanks for posting too.
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The interesting thing with that pic is it doesn't give an accurate representation of where the axle actually sits on both.
Baseplates are lined up to the bolt holes, not the kingpin and pivot cup, but either way it is still interesting to see things like that side by side.
Lining up Ace, Indy, Thunder and Venture in that order along the axle line really shows how little there is between them, but it is still significant in that even 1 - 2 mm can make such a big difference overall.
Either way I wonder how many people might now try this themselves if they have everything lying around. Some truck parts pair up better than others, but not everything goes with everything else.
Thanks for posting too.[close]
Yeah, he mentions it but the rality is he was just referencing the ability to lock in with the plate vs. dragging your wheels.
Weird, my thunder plates are super scratched and rounded, but I also put a lot of the kick on the ledge.
After riding thunders and 53/54mm wheels forever (even before the height revamp on 149s) I've become forever unable to lock in on a baseplate regardless of truck brand; Attempting to do so just sees me bash into shit.Are you doing exclusively nose and tail slides on transition? Because that is the only way I can imagine not touching any baseplate on even not optimal locked slides. I think of getting my head over the tail or nose more if I find i'm not sliding on a good lock. Hope that helps.
I just end up balanced on the flat of the kick after the fingers of flat regardless of it being a nose or tail.
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Are you doing exclusively nose and tail slides on transition? Because that is the only way I can imagine not touching any baseplate on even not optimal locked slides. I think of getting my head over the tail or nose more if I find i'm not sliding on a good lock. Hope that helps.Expand QuoteAfter riding thunders and 53/54mm wheels forever (even before the height revamp on 149s) I've become forever unable to lock in on a baseplate regardless of truck brand; Attempting to do so just sees me bash into shit.
I just end up balanced on the flat of the kick after the fingers of flat regardless of it being a nose or tail.
(https://i.ibb.co/8xY3bLb/IMG-3525.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8xY3bLb)
(https://i.ibb.co/dB5N4P2/IMG-3526.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dB5N4P2)
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been riding venture lows for 15+ years and just got a set of thunders to try. Any major differences I'm going to notice? Ride an 8" board with 52mm wheels.
Expand QuoteAre you doing exclusively nose and tail slides on transition? Because that is the only way I can imagine not touching any baseplate on even not optimal locked slides. I think of getting my head over the tail or nose more if I find i'm not sliding on a good lock. Hope that helps.Expand QuoteAfter riding thunders and 53/54mm wheels forever (even before the height revamp on 149s) I've become forever unable to lock in on a baseplate regardless of truck brand; Attempting to do so just sees me bash into shit.
I just end up balanced on the flat of the kick after the fingers of flat regardless of it being a nose or tail.
(https://i.ibb.co/8xY3bLb/IMG-3525.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8xY3bLb)
(https://i.ibb.co/dB5N4P2/IMG-3526.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dB5N4P2)
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Nope. Slappies or ollie into them.
As noted I have no problem with sliding this way so no need to change what works, thanks tho.
Recently bought a pair of 161s and was surprised to get less wheel bite than my forged titanium Indy 169s. This is with 54mm wheels.
Trying to figure out what was going on, I went to the Thunder site and realized the 161 and 181 are 1mm taller than the 148-151 trucks.
Definitely a nice surprise if anyone is considering going up to the bigger sizes
Recently bought a pair of 161s and was surprised to get less wheel bite than my forged titanium Indy 169s. This is with 54mm wheels.
Trying to figure out what was going on, I went to the Thunder site and realized the 161 and 181 are 1mm taller than the 148-151 trucks.
Definitely a nice surprise if anyone is considering going up to the bigger sizes
Expand QuoteRecently bought a pair of 161s and was surprised to get less wheel bite than my forged titanium Indy 169s. This is with 54mm wheels.
Trying to figure out what was going on, I went to the Thunder site and realized the 161 and 181 are 1mm taller than the 148-151 trucks.
Definitely a nice surprise if anyone is considering going up to the bigger sizes[close]
Tightness/bushing color?
So has the inverted kingpin Thunder been canned? (Not DIY, I mean an actual release by DLX/Thunder).
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So has the inverted kingpin Thunder been canned? (Not DIY, I mean an actual release by DLX/Thunder).[close]
Haven't heard or seen anything either way.
A few people had some test versions which may have worked well, or they might still be in R&D phase, but it has been a while hey?!?
From the extra hex underside on the baseplates from a while back now, was it 2019-2020 that those first came out, to not much more for general public, I can see people being curious and having questions.
Yes, the nut sits almost flush but peeks out less than a millimeter. There's no need to dermal the deck, as the wood is soft enough to get indented by it, possibly negating any baseplate movement if your hardware gets loose.
Expand QuoteRecently bought a pair of 161s and was surprised to get less wheel bite than my forged titanium Indy 169s. This is with 54mm wheels.
Trying to figure out what was going on, I went to the Thunder site and realized the 161 and 181 are 1mm taller than the 148-151 trucks.
Definitely a nice surprise if anyone is considering going up to the bigger sizes[close]
Tightness/bushing color?
Expand QuoteExpand Quote
So has the inverted kingpin Thunder been canned? (Not DIY, I mean an actual release by DLX/Thunder).[close]
Haven't heard or seen anything either way.
A few people had some test versions which may have worked well, or they might still be in R&D phase, but it has been a while hey?!?
From the extra hex underside on the baseplates from a while back now, was it 2019-2020 that those first came out, to not much more for general public, I can see people being curious and having questions.[close]
WHAT IF... now stay with me on this one, they're actually doing proper testing? that would be sick.
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but aside from maybe the ikp (if it’s something different than the already existing ikps out with other brands), I don’t really want anything to change with Thunder. The truck works well and does what I want. I don’t have any issues with wheels on ledges and I ride 55s currently. If they scrape on the ledge it’s not stopping my slide, so it must not be too bad.
Plus, every time a company changes something, we all shit all over it. Look at Indy, how many people still want Stage 8s or whatever the fuck, and they moved on from that more than a decade ago?
I don’t see them changing the baseplate without screwing up some other part of the truck or the overall geo. Doesn’t seem worth the trade off.
No they're not. I've skated Thunders and Ventures since about 1998. They have changed the baseplate especially near the hanger yoke, but the geo isn't substantially different and they have the same basic turning characteristics. The absence of true lows is good because they had zero kingpin clearance. The bushings are better as well. I don't think there is a single truck that hasn't improved over the years especially once highs became normal and more sizes were offered.
Expand QuoteNo they're not. I've skated Thunders and Ventures since about 1998. They have changed the baseplate especially near the hanger yoke, but the geo isn't substantially different and they have the same basic turning characteristics. The absence of true lows is good because they had zero kingpin clearance. The bushings are better as well. I don't think there is a single truck that hasn't improved over the years especially once highs became normal and more sizes were offered.[close]
Yes, they are. And when I say geo, I’m not just talking about just turning characteristics, I’m talking about the whole thing - height, wheelbase, baseplate, nose/tail slide clearance etc. Yes, the turn is different obviously (but not wildly so), but that’s only one factor. I think because Venture haven’t shrunk their baseplate (despite changing from old to new hole pattern) this is also why they’re similar to the 90s six hole Thunders (before they shrunk it down). I’m too lazy to post pics, but I’m lining up the old and new thunders and venture hi’s right now, and the current Thunders are the odd one out.
Anyway, obviously the current Thunder highs are not highs, at best they’re mids, but at sub 50mm for the 145/147 lights, that’s basically a low truck (and yes I know they had an even lower truck, but that doesn’t make sub 50mm trucks “highs”).
TLDR: I’d love to see a release of actual highs on Thunder, something fresh, a little variety - why not give skaters that are stoked on Thunder more choices than just one bog standard, not hi, not super lo, truck. I’d be saying the same thing if Venture and Indy only came in one basic height. heck, how many Thunder pros run risers because of this lack of choice of a true high, that’s got to say something. Right?
Man, nostalgia is a bitch.
Expand QuoteNo they're not. I've skated Thunders and Ventures since about 1998. They have changed the baseplate especially near the hanger yoke, but the geo isn't substantially different and they have the same basic turning characteristics. The absence of true lows is good because they had zero kingpin clearance. The bushings are better as well. I don't think there is a single truck that hasn't improved over the years especially once highs became normal and more sizes were offered.[close]
Yes, they are. And when I say geo, I’m not just talking about just turning characteristics, I’m talking about the whole thing - height, wheelbase, baseplate, nose/tail slide clearance etc. Yes, the turn is different obviously (but not wildly so), but that’s only one factor. I think because Venture haven’t shrunk their baseplate (despite changing from old to new hole pattern) this is also why they’re similar to the 90s six hole Thunders (before they shrunk it down). I’m too lazy to post pics, but I’m lining up the old and new thunders and venture hi’s right now, and the current Thunders are the odd one out.
Anyway, obviously the current Thunder highs are not highs, at best they’re mids, but at sub 50mm for the 145/147 lights, that’s basically a low truck (and yes I know they had an even lower truck, but that doesn’t make sub 50mm trucks “highs”).
TLDR: I’d love to see a release of actual highs on Thunder, something fresh, a little variety - why not give skaters that are stoked on Thunder more choices than just one bog standard, not hi, not super lo, truck. I’d be saying the same thing if Venture and Indy only came in one basic height. heck, how many Thunder pros run risers because of this lack of choice of a true high, that’s got to say something. Right?
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I totally get what people are saying, as I have a few sets of the old six hole Thunders (some regular kingpin and some inverted kingpins, which I have posted before), some of the lows, some 149ers and some of the other in between stages before the current ones and they are significantly different in look and feel to skate, regardless of no change to geometry.
The reality is things get discontinued because they didn't sell well enough or someone "fixed" the issues that the main people concerned - their pro riders - brough up with them.
The pro guys have even said it before - you can't make a high truck lower, but you can always make a low truck higher.
Risers are there for a reason, and clearly they do work for Ishod so DLX is not about to change much with their Thunder trucks in that regard, but again everyone is entitled to say whatever they wish.
As far as the current modern market for skate hardgoods, I do think we have pretty much the best in the way of options and quality now compared to any time in the past, no matter what people might prefer or wish they still had back in the day or through the years.
I have had the pleasure (or whatever because I wasn't so stoked really) to be able to skate or even just stand on / look at a lot of boards, be it decks, completes or others from almost all time periods in skating and I gotta say that most boards we skated from the 80s right through were way better in my head than they are in real life.
For anyone who is not happy with whatever you have right now, you can always make your own modifications to make something exactly as you think it should be and skate that instead.
I for one use 2mm hard rubber sheeting that I cut up to fit exactly under the baseplate and is perfect to make current Thunder trucks more manageable for me, as well as give them to anyone who has Thunders in case they want to have that little bit of extra height and it is interesting to hear the responses.
Some people are stoked with the existing height so don't need them, others stoked on the little extra height, especially with no riser sticking out anywhere round the baseplate and no change of truck feel on their board, but less wheelbite. That is probably the main one, whether they realise it or not, as some people are no where near as in tune with their setup as others who know what every little thing does or can feel and make sense of all the small changes they make to their own boards.
Everyone is different in that regard and I do actually enjoy hearing how people do things, or wish they had things, as I will often go and try something on a board I don't mind messing with just to see what people are talking about.
For my own boards though, once they are set up, nothing changes on them for the life of the board, as I know exactly what works for me in that regard.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNo they're not. I've skated Thunders and Ventures since about 1998. They have changed the baseplate especially near the hanger yoke, but the geo isn't substantially different and they have the same basic turning characteristics. The absence of true lows is good because they had zero kingpin clearance. The bushings are better as well. I don't think there is a single truck that hasn't improved over the years especially once highs became normal and more sizes were offered.[close]
Yes, they are. And when I say geo, I’m not just talking about just turning characteristics, I’m talking about the whole thing - height, wheelbase, baseplate, nose/tail slide clearance etc. Yes, the turn is different obviously (but not wildly so), but that’s only one factor. I think because Venture haven’t shrunk their baseplate (despite changing from old to new hole pattern) this is also why they’re similar to the 90s six hole Thunders (before they shrunk it down). I’m too lazy to post pics, but I’m lining up the old and new thunders and venture hi’s right now, and the current Thunders are the odd one out.
Anyway, obviously the current Thunder highs are not highs, at best they’re mids, but at sub 50mm for the 145/147 lights, that’s basically a low truck (and yes I know they had an even lower truck, but that doesn’t make sub 50mm trucks “highs”).
TLDR: I’d love to see a release of actual highs on Thunder, something fresh, a little variety - why not give skaters that are stoked on Thunder more choices than just one bog standard, not hi, not super lo, truck. I’d be saying the same thing if Venture and Indy only came in one basic height. heck, how many Thunder pros run risers because of this lack of choice of a true high, that’s got to say something. Right?[close]
Talking to someone that works on Thunder trucks the hanger yoke and kingpin angle have always been the same. They did change from the rounded baseplate, which stuck out slightly more. Unfortunately this doesn't influence geometry, hence why I didn't include it. When Thunder pushed for higher trucks they did change the hanger to accommodate a taller lower bushing and on highs the top bushing got slightly taller. Of course 1:1 this isn't "the same" as a low, but they specifically tuned these variables so the turn was more or less the same twitchy turn.
I actually think Thunders are fine as is sans baseplate. I have no interest in riding a truck over 53mm or whatever Venture high are so the 1mm difference in normal sizes isn't a big deal. I'm not sure another 1-2mm of baseplate would change slides much but I'd take that for sure. A 52mm 147 would be great as it's such a weird in between size.
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I totally get what people are saying, as I have a few sets of the old six hole Thunders (some regular kingpin and some inverted kingpins, which I have posted before), some of the lows, some 149ers and some of the other in between stages before the current ones and they are significantly different in look and feel to skate, regardless of no change to geometry.
The reality is things get discontinued because they didn't sell well enough or someone "fixed" the issues that the main people concerned - their pro riders - brough up with them.
The pro guys have even said it before - you can't make a high truck lower, but you can always make a low truck higher.
Risers are there for a reason, and clearly they do work for Ishod so DLX is not about to change much with their Thunder trucks in that regard, but again everyone is entitled to say whatever they wish.
As far as the current modern market for skate hardgoods, I do think we have pretty much the best in the way of options and quality now compared to any time in the past, no matter what people might prefer or wish they still had back in the day or through the years.
I have had the pleasure (or whatever because I wasn't so stoked really) to be able to skate or even just stand on / look at a lot of boards, be it decks, completes or others from almost all time periods in skating and I gotta say that most boards we skated from the 80s right through were way better in my head than they are in real life.
For anyone who is not happy with whatever you have right now, you can always make your own modifications to make something exactly as you think it should be and skate that instead.
I for one use 2mm hard rubber sheeting that I cut up to fit exactly under the baseplate and is perfect to make current Thunder trucks more manageable for me, as well as give them to anyone who has Thunders in case they want to have that little bit of extra height and it is interesting to hear the responses.
Some people are stoked with the existing height so don't need them, others stoked on the little extra height, especially with no riser sticking out anywhere round the baseplate and no change of truck feel on their board, but less wheelbite. That is probably the main one, whether they realise it or not, as some people are no where near as in tune with their setup as others who know what every little thing does or can feel and make sense of all the small changes they make to their own boards.
Everyone is different in that regard and I do actually enjoy hearing how people do things, or wish they had things, as I will often go and try something on a board I don't mind messing with just to see what people are talking about.
For my own boards though, once they are set up, nothing changes on them for the life of the board, as I know exactly what works for me in that regard.[close]
Absolutely, completely agree. It was cool to be stoked on whatever you could get your hands on, back in the day, but there’s no doubt that it’s awesome to have all the high quality product these days at your fingertips (and all the info like your rad woodshop thread just makes everyone way more informed than the old days, which is awesome). I just can’t fuck with risers unless it’s a cruiser, maybe it’s mental as well, but it just a no. Just lifting up the truck hasn’t solved it for me, especially on wider Thunders, I’ll put 1/2” risers under 161, and it just feels so wrong, compared to say Indys or even Venture. Yeah, maybe I need to get into moding or just be thankful with all the rad choices we’ve got, spoiled for choice! ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNo they're not. I've skated Thunders and Ventures since about 1998. They have changed the baseplate especially near the hanger yoke, but the geo isn't substantially different and they have the same basic turning characteristics. The absence of true lows is good because they had zero kingpin clearance. The bushings are better as well. I don't think there is a single truck that hasn't improved over the years especially once highs became normal and more sizes were offered.[close]
Yes, they are. And when I say geo, I’m not just talking about just turning characteristics, I’m talking about the whole thing - height, wheelbase, baseplate, nose/tail slide clearance etc. Yes, the turn is different obviously (but not wildly so), but that’s only one factor. I think because Venture haven’t shrunk their baseplate (despite changing from old to new hole pattern) this is also why they’re similar to the 90s six hole Thunders (before they shrunk it down). I’m too lazy to post pics, but I’m lining up the old and new thunders and venture hi’s right now, and the current Thunders are the odd one out.
Anyway, obviously the current Thunder highs are not highs, at best they’re mids, but at sub 50mm for the 145/147 lights, that’s basically a low truck (and yes I know they had an even lower truck, but that doesn’t make sub 50mm trucks “highs”).
TLDR: I’d love to see a release of actual highs on Thunder, something fresh, a little variety - why not give skaters that are stoked on Thunder more choices than just one bog standard, not hi, not super lo, truck. I’d be saying the same thing if Venture and Indy only came in one basic height. heck, how many Thunder pros run risers because of this lack of choice of a true high, that’s got to say something. Right?[close]
Talking to someone that works on Thunder trucks the hanger yoke and kingpin angle have always been the same. They did change from the rounded baseplate, which stuck out slightly more. Unfortunately this doesn't influence geometry, hence why I didn't include it. When Thunder pushed for higher trucks they did change the hanger to accommodate a taller lower bushing and on highs the top bushing got slightly taller. Of course 1:1 this isn't "the same" as a low, but they specifically tuned these variables so the turn was more or less the same twitchy turn.
I actually think Thunders are fine as is sans baseplate. I have no interest in riding a truck over 53mm or whatever Venture high are so the 1mm difference in normal sizes isn't a big deal. I'm not sure another 1-2mm of baseplate would change slides much but I'd take that for sure. A 52mm 147 would be great as it's such a weird in between size.[close]
Yeah, you’re right with the kingpin/yolk angle, they’ve done a great job there keeping it real. I’m not an expert with the language so when I say geometry, I’m talking about the angles and math of the trucks overall to the board (wheelbase, height etc), but turning which perhaps is what geo means in skate terms, yeah old Thunders do turn more like new Thunders not Ventures.
I skate the hollow or titaniums 145/147 (depends on deck) on the OG/“Team” baseplate, with 50s. It brings out the best in my limited abilities 8). When it’s crusty, and I need 53+, Thunders just don’t work for me, and I reach for the Venture V light his. Anyway man, just good to shoot the shit, thanks for the feedback, always good to hear opinions and learn, that’s what’s great about slap.
👆🏽 why don’t you like bigger wheels & thunders? I just set up thunders w/55mm only took out on one sesh but it felt fine.
I always enjoy casual bullshitting and glad someone else on Slap enjoys Thunders. They get a lot of hate on here/don't seem as popular.
You guys should try add one ring on the top of the bushings to avoid the wheelbites… work better than a riser
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I always enjoy casual bullshitting and glad someone else on Slap enjoys Thunders. They get a lot of hate on here/don't seem as popular.[close]
Yeah man, for sure, I’m not hating on Thunders, and I don’t want to get rid of the current Thunders, I just want more! Just bullshitting of ideas options, like how Venture has the same baseplate but hi/lo hanger, I dream of this for Thunder, so they’d be say 53mm OG baseplate, 52mm forged, that’s the dream. Thunders are my first love, Gino, SJ, Dill, Karma, MJ, Wray etc so they’ll always have my heart. Ima going to give the 147 lights a go on a wider board with 50s, EE style. 8)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sU3oakwLoxM
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I always enjoy casual bullshitting and glad someone else on Slap enjoys Thunders. They get a lot of hate on here/don't seem as popular.[close]
Yeah man, for sure, I’m not hating on Thunders, and I don’t want to get rid of the current Thunders, I just want more! Just bullshitting of ideas options, like how Venture has the same baseplate but hi/lo hanger, I dream of this for Thunder, so they’d be say 53mm OG baseplate, 52mm forged, that’s the dream. Thunders are my first love, Gino, SJ, Dill, Karma, MJ, Wray etc so they’ll always have my heart. Ima going to give the 147 lights a go on a wider board with 50s, EE style. 8)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sU3oakwLoxM[close]
Gino and Dill were always on Ventures.
I’m 5’8 205 so we’ll see when I take it to transition. I also like em to carve.Expand Quote👆🏽 why don’t you like bigger wheels & thunders? I just set up thunders w/55mm only took out on one sesh but it felt fine.[close]
Whell bite, pitched landings. I’m 6’2”, 200lb, so that’s a factor too ;D. I don’t understand how 55 would work on a 147, just not happening, I’d have to crank it so hard to stop wheel bite, but then my turning is screwed, I like to carvy surfy between tricks (attempts...) and it just ain’t working. And when I’ve tried wider, like I got some 161, it was actually worse. I put 1/4 risers on (then tried 1/2) but that just felt odd because now the wheel is turning below the truck, below the pivot cup, if that makes sense. Yeah, that’s my experience with bigger wheels on Thunders. Glad it works for you though, that’s cool.
I’m 5’8 205 so we’ll see when I take it to transition. I also like em to carve.Expand QuoteExpand Quote👆🏽 why don’t you like bigger wheels & thunders? I just set up thunders w/55mm only took out on one sesh but it felt fine.[close]
Whell bite, pitched landings. I’m 6’2”, 200lb, so that’s a factor too ;D. I don’t understand how 55 would work on a 147, just not happening, I’d have to crank it so hard to stop wheel bite, but then my turning is screwed, I like to carvy surfy between tricks (attempts...) and it just ain’t working. And when I’ve tried wider, like I got some 161, it was actually worse. I put 1/4 risers on (then tried 1/2) but that just felt odd because now the wheel is turning below the truck, below the pivot cup, if that makes sense. Yeah, that’s my experience with bigger wheels on Thunders. Glad it works for you though, that’s cool.[close]
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This doesn’t affect your kingpin clearance? I love my Thunders but the kingpin clearance on the ti-lights is basically nonexistent. I haven’t really had any grinding issues at least.
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This doesn’t affect your kingpin clearance? I love my Thunders but the kingpin clearance on the ti-lights is basically nonexistent. I haven’t really had any grinding issues at least.[close]
Uh, not sure, probably yes but dont think enought to be a trouble. Anyways the kingping clearance isnt the Thunder stronger point
Since i began useing that ring not even a wheel mark on the table. With out it i get wheel marks on the table even with a raiserpads.. probably it work well but i am not that good to be 100% sure
Also didnt feel any change on the trucks turn..
You guys should try add one ring on the top of the bushings to avoid the wheelbites… work better than a riser
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This doesn’t affect your kingpin clearance? I love my Thunders but the kingpin clearance on the ti-lights is basically nonexistent. I haven’t really had any grinding issues at least.[close]
Uh, not sure, probably yes but dont think enought to be a trouble. Anyways the kingping clearance isnt the Thunder stronger point
Since i began useing that ring not even a wheel mark on the table. With out it i get wheel marks on the table even with a raiserpads.. probably it work well but i am not that good to be 100% sure
Also didnt feel any change on the trucks turn..
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This doesn’t affect your kingpin clearance? I love my Thunders but the kingpin clearance on the ti-lights is basically nonexistent. I haven’t really had any grinding issues at least.[close]
Uh, not sure, probably yes but dont think enought to be a trouble. Anyways the kingping clearance isnt the Thunder stronger point
Since i began useing that ring not even a wheel mark on the table. With out it i get wheel marks on the table even with a raiserpads.. probably it work well but i am not that good to be 100% sure
Also didnt feel any change on the trucks turn..[close]
Adding something under the bottom bushing, or even a taller or stiffer bottom bushing definitely has advantages, besides bringing the hanger up higher, more kingpin clearance and a slightly better angle of turn, it does prevent more wheelbite too.
As said, depending on how you like your trucks, it can firm up the bushings a whole lot, which in some cases translates to "too tight" but for the most part, doing this with slightly harder duro bushings with a low head top bushing is what I enjoy on most of my setups - I get a firmer feeling, but can still turn as needed and put wheel to deck on all four, but it prevents the sloppy "no bushing" feeling that you would get with very soft bushings, which leads to more wheelbite issues.
I recently acquired some Indy aftermarket bushings for my Thunders and they are a much taller bushing than the Thunder bushing and I did notice it brought the hanger up a bit and thought that was sick. Its kinda nice since I already have risers and now my trucks are pretty high now.
They are the standard cylinder ones.Expand QuoteI recently acquired some Indy aftermarket bushings for my Thunders and they are a much taller bushing than the Thunder bushing and I did notice it brought the hanger up a bit and thought that was sick. Its kinda nice since I already have risers and now my trucks are pretty high now.[close]
Which ones? They should be 1mm lower than thunders. At least my 90a conical indy bushings are 13mm tall and all thunders 14mm.
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Someone else had mentioned and then I had seen the black ones were definitely taller - 14 or more mm in height.
Not sure about the others, but the most recent white, orange and yellow seemed to be the normal height - 13mm
Some had different looking finishes on them too, but they still seemed to work the same.
.The black ones are the ones I have exactly. When I first set them up I could barely get the nut down and had to take out the washers. Now after skating them for a bit they have mushed down might try to put the washers back in to see what's up
Someone else had mentioned and then I had seen the black ones were definitely taller - 14 or more mm in height.
Not sure about the others, but the most recent white, orange and yellow seemed to be the normal height - 13mm
Some had different looking finishes on them too, but they still seemed to work the same.
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I can hardly turn with the nut flush on stock bushings, let alone adding a thick ass washer to have two; must be tight as fuck which is why there isn't any wheelbite ;)
In before "nah dawg, they're medium loose!". My ass they are...
Anyone notice Thunder shifting things up a bit? I have some brand new 151s and the axle sits closer in than on an older pair. Lining up the mounting holes and it looks like they are drilled a few mm off, bringing the newer versions in to a tighter wheelbase. Both are cast plates.
Haven't skated them yet but this is no bad thing in my book. Full disclaimer the older pair are from when 151s first came out, perhaps 2012, 2013...
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I can hardly turn with the nut flush on stock bushings, let alone adding a thick ass washer to have two; must be tight as fuck which is why there isn't any wheelbite ;)
In before "nah dawg, they're medium loose!". My ass they are...[close]
A little late here, but for shits n giggles, I tried throwing a bones flat washer under stock 148 hollow lights and they were definitely medium tight when the kingpin nut was about a couple turns before flush. For reference, I'm like 175 pounds so maybe if you're heavier it will feel more medium loose.
With that being said, I kept the same configuration but removed the top washer (bones flat washer and thunder bottom washer still intact on the bottom) and made the kingpin nut flush. Now it feels a lot looser and responsive and pulls in the overall WB so it's like a team thunder (+3.125 roughly). I had one session on it between breaks from the rain and I like it so far. I threw on radial slims worn down to about 49/50mm and haven't had any bad wheelbite so far.
Not sure if I think it's better than leaving them stock and using risers, but I might run these for a bit n see how I feel.
Which is better for a short person, 8 size foot, with 8.125 deck, 147 or 148 ?keep it with the 147. They are lower, lighter and better for flip tricks. If you are more into grinds you might consider the 148, but putting 2-3 speedrings from the inside on the axel of 147 will make the same grinding surface of the hanger. As for the tight feeling, i have it only in winter when the bushings harden, but i put softer ones for that period.
I skate a LOT of flatground, that's what I prefer ! :-*
I had already tried the 147 a long time ago, I found them quite rigid, too .. "tight", but maybe I had to get used to it because I skated venture for a long time, the feeling is different !
I also wonder if the thunders are better for flat skating or if the venture highs are better..
FUCKING MADNESS ! ;D
made a huge mistake buying thunder trucks.
been riding indy hollows for a while now, switched to thunders and the kingpin ends up falling right off after every two sessions. i ride my trucks super loose so thats probably why but its super fucking annoying having your truck just fall off your board. maybe i should just ride aces
made a huge mistake buying thunder trucks.
been riding indy hollows for a while now, switched to thunders and the kingpin ends up falling right off after every two sessions. i ride my trucks super loose so thats probably why but its super fucking annoying having your truck just fall off your board. maybe i should just ride aces
made a huge mistake buying thunder trucks.
been riding indy hollows for a while now, switched to thunders and the kingpin ends up falling right off after every two sessions. i ride my trucks super loose so thats probably why but its super fucking annoying having your truck just fall off your board. maybe i should just ride aces
made a huge mistake buying thunder trucks.
been riding indy hollows for a while now, switched to thunders and the kingpin ends up falling right off after every two sessions. i ride my trucks super loose so thats probably why but its super fucking annoying having your truck just fall off your board. maybe i should just ride aces
made a huge mistake buying thunder trucks.
been riding indy hollows for a while now, switched to thunders and the kingpin ends up falling right off after every two sessions. i ride my trucks super loose so thats probably why but its super fucking annoying having your truck just fall off your board. maybe i should just ride aces
My local got some 148 titanium lights and i'm tempted to try them just because they're local and i wouldn't have to order them. They seem stupid light but being addicted to Ace's turn would probably make them a waste of time? Talk me off the ledge.
It’s pretty much impossible unless one sands off material at the base of the kingpin. The kingpin nut probably fell off which happened to me frequently when I switched from Indy to Thunder ten years ago. I switched bushings to a softer duro and put some Lockite on the threaded area before tightening it. If people like their Thunders loose to the point where the nut can be tightened by fingers, Lockite is the only solution. I’ve even had that problem on Indy Stage 10s when I used to ride them obnoxiously loose. It’s probably more of an issue with the user than the gear itself.Expand Quotemade a huge mistake buying thunder trucks.
been riding indy hollows for a while now, switched to thunders and the kingpin ends up falling right off after every two sessions. i ride my trucks super loose so thats probably why but its super fucking annoying having your truck just fall off your board. maybe i should just ride aces[close]
this is a joke right?
theres no way your kingpin is falling off.
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To me they are almost polar opposite trucks….doesn’t mean you won’t enjoy them though….
Ace: heavy, deep turning radius, cannot get wheelbite, shrink wheelbase, neutral pop
Thunder: light, shallow turning radius, wheelbite, widen wheelbase, light pop
The turn on a thunder is actually kinda fun because it gives you some turn up front then mellows out. I don’t think they are great for loose truck guys…..aces are that truck. Ace is the funnest truck though…hands down.
made a huge mistake buying thunder trucks.
been riding indy hollows for a while now, switched to thunders and the kingpin ends up falling right off after every two sessions. i ride my trucks super loose so thats probably why but its super fucking annoying having your truck just fall off your board. maybe i should just ride aces
These replies are ironic because I finally bit the bullet and grabbed some 148 titanium and the kingpin nut will not come off whatsoever. I broke a skate tool on it and stripped it with a regular wrench. Kind of bummed lol.
To me they are almost polar opposite trucks….doesn’t mean you won’t enjoy them though….
Ace: heavy, deep turning radius, cannot get wheelbite, shrink wheelbase, neutral pop
Thunder: light, shallow turning radius, wheelbite, widen wheelbase, light pop
The turn on a thunder is actually kinda fun because it gives you some turn up front then mellows out. I don’t think they are great for loose truck guys…..aces are that truck. Ace is the funnest truck though…hands down.
I really don't get how you all are having such big issues with a 9/16" locknut. I've never heard of either of these issues on any kind of locknut ever let alone something pretty low torque like a kingpin nut.
Hit up DLX warranty. I had a weird issue with some Spitfires and they sent me 3 new sets.
These replies are ironic because I finally bit the bullet and grabbed some 148 titanium and the kingpin nut will not come off whatsoever. I broke a skate tool on it and stripped it with a regular wrench. Kind of bummed lol.DLX should be able to help you out. Here's the warranty guy's direct email if you or anyone else needs it ~ [email protected] ~ Let us know how it goes
DLX should be able to help you out. Here's the warranty guy's direct email if you or anyone else needs it ~ [email protected] ~ Let us know how it goesExpand QuoteThese replies are ironic because I finally bit the bullet and grabbed some 148 titanium and the kingpin nut will not come off whatsoever. I broke a skate tool on it and stripped it with a regular wrench. Kind of bummed lol.[close]
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To me they are almost polar opposite trucks….doesn’t mean you won’t enjoy them though….
Ace: heavy, deep turning radius, cannot get wheelbite, shrink wheelbase, neutral pop
Thunder: light, shallow turning radius, wheelbite, widen wheelbase, light pop
The turn on a thunder is actually kinda fun because it gives you some turn up front then mellows out. I don’t think they are great for loose truck guys…..aces are that truck. Ace is the funnest truck though…hands down.[close]
You seriously don't get wheelbite on your aces? How???
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To me they are almost polar opposite trucks….doesn’t mean you won’t enjoy them though….
Ace: heavy, deep turning radius, cannot get wheelbite, shrink wheelbase, neutral pop
Thunder: light, shallow turning radius, wheelbite, widen wheelbase, light pop
The turn on a thunder is actually kinda fun because it gives you some turn up front then mellows out. I don’t think they are great for loose truck guys…..aces are that truck. Ace is the funnest truck though…hands down.[close]
You seriously don't get wheelbite on your aces? How???[close]
yeah, my aces are wheel bite city, thunders have been great for wheelbite thus far.
By the time you wheelbite on Aces you are almost going backwards…..thunders it’s like 30 degrees and you get ejected…..
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i actually have a clip where i wheelbite thunders by just pushing (pushing on left side of the board so i can turn a bit) lol
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i actually have a clip where i wheelbite thunders by just pushing (pushing on left side of the board so i can turn a bit) lol[close]
Been there more times than I care to recall.
Front foot steering is the best on ACE IMO.
I actually like the Thunder response. Rarely am I going to straight up wheelbite and the snap back to center is great. Ace just keep turning and don't snap. Venture are obviously forgiving but I find sometimes actually having the board turn a bit when off balance rather than sit in the upper part of the turn where there is the delay actually helps me re center my weight.
It's interesting that on Slap it seems mostly people come into the Thunder thread to say they don't like them, but the other truck threads are mostly just praises. In real life there doesn't seem to be as many detractors. And yes, I note negatives in other brand threads as well and historically love Thunders, but have been riding Ventures lately.
I actually like the Thunder response. Rarely am I going to straight up wheelbite and the snap back to center is great. Ace just keep turning and don't snap. Venture are obviously forgiving but I find sometimes actually having the board turn a bit when off balance rather than sit in the upper part of the turn where there is the delay actually helps me re center my weight.
It's interesting that on Slap it seems mostly people come into the Thunder thread to say they don't like them, but the other truck threads are mostly just praises. In real life there doesn't seem to be as many detractors. And yes, I note negatives in other brand threads as well and historically love Thunders, but have been riding Ventures lately.
Expand QuoteI actually like the Thunder response. Rarely am I going to straight up wheelbite and the snap back to center is great. Ace just keep turning and don't snap. Venture are obviously forgiving but I find sometimes actually having the board turn a bit when off balance rather than sit in the upper part of the turn where there is the delay actually helps me re center my weight.
It's interesting that on Slap it seems mostly people come into the Thunder thread to say they don't like them, but the other truck threads are mostly just praises. In real life there doesn't seem to be as many detractors. And yes, I note negatives in other brand threads as well and historically love Thunders, but have been riding Ventures lately.[close]
All brands have their positives and negatives i get a bit of wheelbite but I've felt really on point since getting on thunders. Especially with crooks and tailslides. I swapped in the 92d conical blue indy bushings because I'm like 6'4 190 and that has me setup great. I get some good turn but the harder bushing means I'm not getting pitched constantly.
After a brief foray with Ace I’m back to my Thunders. As fun as the Ace turn is I like the stability of Thunder. They turn well enough for what I need and I’m not getting any serious wheelbite with my 54s ( probably 53s by now).
148 forged on 8.12 with 14” wheelbase. Starting to get flip tricks back.
I think stability is often overlooked as a feature.
It’s been a while since I’ve tried Thunders (long term Indy rider). Boredom, or madness, has me wanting to try Thunders again. I normally ride forged (or Ti) 144s, so the height/weight difference to 148 Team Hollows isn’t that significant (I often wonder how many people in this thread, who have found the height/weight/pop of Thunders to be superior to Indy, are coming off standard Indys—and what their impression of a comparison between forged/Ti Indy and Thunder would be). I normally ride 53mm Classics on the DLX 8.25/14.38 deck. Might try dropping down to 52mm Classics with Thunders (I ride a good amount of mini ramp, and 52mm starts to feel really slow to me). I’m still debating on Team Hollows, Hollow Lights, or just going for broke with Ti. Ace was to heavy/squirrel for me. Venture was too stiff, with a lesser grind. So, I’m clearly somewhere in the Indy/Thunder camps.
Coming off Indy, the two biggest drawbacks that I remember from Thunder were (a) they don’t turn as well, and (b) that baseplate issue. Yeah, it’s obvious you can do nose/tail slides on Thunders, but the margin of error seems to be less and/or technique needs to be better. Not sure if I want to re-learn my technique just to try swapping out trucks. As someone else said in this thread, “It’s nice to have trucks that don’t make you think about your trucks.” Thunders often made me think about my trucks when it came to nose/tail slides. The things I remember really liking about Thunders was feeling a bit lower to the ground, the overall stability, and a quick snap. I think the last time I had them, I put stock 90a Indy cylindrical bushing in them. After re-reading this entire thread, it seems clear the conical ones are the much better option—this time around I will give those a try (and after-market Thunders, too). I’m curious to give Thunders another fair shot, and will report back in the near future…once I figure out which ones I am going to end up getting. Enter the Madness...
Anyone have the verified weight (e.g. not sourced from Tactics) of 151 Hollow Lights? Thanks in advance if you do!
Anyone have the verified weight (e.g. not sourced from Tactics) of 151 Hollow Lights? Thanks in advance if you do!
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I do not.
Had 151 hollow lights with forged plate (on a huffer) and the trucks were very good. It was a time I was into trying wild big setups, and tbh was smitten with ck1’s setup/skating (this must have been 2014 ish). 159s were my favorite Indy’s for quite awhile, followed by 139s, but the 151s worked much better for me. I’m just too much of a baby to skate Indy’s. Or/additionally, when I skate Indy’s I tend to also get big wheels, and I skate like shit on 100 percent of big wheel setups (so I guess not a fair comparison).
How are the 148s treating you?
Anyone have the verified weight (e.g. not sourced from Tactics) of 151 Hollow Lights? Thanks in advance if you do!According to
According toExpand QuoteAnyone have the verified weight (e.g. not sourced from Tactics) of 151 Hollow Lights? Thanks in advance if you do![close]
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/thunder-151-high-hollow-ii-truck-polished-8-75_p124992?cPath=44&brand_id=119
they are around 330 grams.
European Skatedeluxe is usually very good with trucks spec like weight unlike deck spec that can be all over the place.
My trusty 5.0 lows are done, so I am returning to Thunders for the foreseeable future. A nice change of pace from low Ventures. My beloved 147s...
What thunders did I just buy?
I ordered what I thought were team 148, but they arrived with orange bushings instead of blue.
Did I get a bushing upgrade? Is this different from the team model?
(https://i.ibb.co/SnSPTQZ/19-B49-AA8-1990-4398-BDAD-36-F0-F51-A2078.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SnSPTQZ)
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What thunders did I just buy?
I ordered what I thought were team 148, but they arrived with orange bushings instead of blue.
Did I get a bushing upgrade? Is this different from the team model?
(https://i.ibb.co/SnSPTQZ/19-B49-AA8-1990-4398-BDAD-36-F0-F51-A2078.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SnSPTQZ)
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What thunders did I just buy?
I ordered what I thought were team 148, but they arrived with orange bushings instead of blue.
Did I get a bushing upgrade? Is this different from the team model?
(https://i.ibb.co/SnSPTQZ/19-B49-AA8-1990-4398-BDAD-36-F0-F51-A2078.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SnSPTQZ)
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Expand QuoteWhat thunders did I just buy?
I ordered what I thought were team 148, but they arrived with orange bushings instead of blue.
Did I get a bushing upgrade? Is this different from the team model?
(https://i.ibb.co/SnSPTQZ/19-B49-AA8-1990-4398-BDAD-36-F0-F51-A2078.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SnSPTQZ)
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What made you expect blue bushings? Hollow lights come with blue ones
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat thunders did I just buy?
I ordered what I thought were team 148, but they arrived with orange bushings instead of blue.
Did I get a bushing upgrade? Is this different from the team model?
(https://i.ibb.co/SnSPTQZ/19-B49-AA8-1990-4398-BDAD-36-F0-F51-A2078.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SnSPTQZ)
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What made you expect blue bushings? Hollow lights come with blue ones[close]
I guess because the other pair I have on my 7.75 say team on the baseplate and have blue bushings.
(https://i.ibb.co/9tJjZC0/5-E1-D2-B01-290-E-4-C38-BDFD-4828-C1730-D2-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9tJjZC0)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat thunders did I just buy?
I ordered what I thought were team 148, but they arrived with orange bushings instead of blue.
Did I get a bushing upgrade? Is this different from the team model?[close]
What made you expect blue bushings? Hollow lights come with blue ones[close]
I guess because the other pair I have on my 7.75 say team on the baseplate and have blue bushings.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat thunders did I just buy?
I ordered what I thought were team 148, but they arrived with orange bushings instead of blue.
Did I get a bushing upgrade? Is this different from the team model?[close]
What made you expect blue bushings? Hollow lights come with blue ones[close]
I guess because the other pair I have on my 7.75 say team on the baseplate and have blue bushings.[close]
It is a bit funny and others have asked about it in the shop too, but because the 148 (8.25" width) size was relatively new (from 2017), compared to the other mostly smaller sizes, they gave them translucent orange bushings and never changed.
The other team sizes have had translucent yellow bushings for a long time with the translucent blue ones being the norm now for a few years.
All of those came with black washers, nuts, etc.
Hollow options seem to have translucent blue or more commonly now green bushings with silver washers, nuts, etc.
Any other special editions or pro trucks have whatever the colourway match / riders choose for their own trucks.
All are the same 90 duro, including the plain white ones too, but some people often say they prefer certain colours over others, or the white bushings over the translucent coloured or the other way round. I have even swapped around some bushings for some people because they just didn't want to ride the colour they came with. Whatever keeps them happy, I guess.
This was easy enough to get some pics:
Team standard (old)
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/pdp_hero/Thunder-Polished-147-Skateboard-Trucks-_279685-back-US.jpg)
Team standard (new)
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/pdp_hero/Thunder-Polished-Silver-149-Skateboard-Truck--_324120-back-US.jpg)
Team 148
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium/Thunder-148-Polished-Skateboard-Truck-_334083-back-US.jpg)
Hollow options
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium/Thunder-Polished-Silver-147-Hollow-Light-Skateboard-Truck-_320550-back-US.jpg)
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium/Thunder-Polished-Silver-149-Light-Skateboard-Truck-_338243-back-US.jpg)
Other versions with white bushings
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Thunder-147-Psonoradelic-Black-Skateboard-Truck-_360946-back-US.jpg)
All of this is correct but here’s a little more detail on the Lights vs Hollow Lights:
All examples are for polished
Forged baseplate, green or yellow bushing is Thunder Light (solid axle/hollow kingpin)
Forged baseplate, blue bushing is Thunder Hollow Light (hollow kingpin/hollow axle).
Been on the thunders for a while now. Took a while to get used to the pop but just need to be a tad more aggressive, and its kinda nice how boring they are to turn as it helps me focus on trying tricks
Expand QuoteBeen on the thunders for a while now. Took a while to get used to the pop but just need to be a tad more aggressive, and its kinda nice how boring they are to turn as it helps me focus on trying tricks[close]
That's what I have to remind myself of when I'm tempted to try going back to Indy. Thunders just feel stable underfoot.
Maybe this belongs in the unpopular opinion thread, but as long as a truck isn't tooooo tight or toooo loose it's just not that hard to get used to the turn and figure out how to carve with it. With Venture I lean a lot harder, Indy I use my ankles to adjust the turn more and skate a little more over the bolts, Thunders I try not to land too much in the pockets so I don't compress the truck too fast and wheelbite. Overall I think the Thunder turn is the most balanced for me and I like skating them faster more than other trucks.
If DLX is moving Thunder to Mexico that must mean Ermico is dead or having problems. Considering the hate Indy got for moving overseas I doubt they would do so unless necessary. Hopefully the T2 drop sometime ever.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen on the thunders for a while now. Took a while to get used to the pop but just need to be a tad more aggressive, and its kinda nice how boring they are to turn as it helps me focus on trying tricks[close]
That's what I have to remind myself of when I'm tempted to try going back to Indy. Thunders just feel stable underfoot.[close]
If it’s about landing stuff, thunder works really well for that
Has anyone tried venture bushings in their thunders? I prefer my trucks to be tight but responsive/rebound.
I’ve tried the 95a replacement thunder bushing kit and they were too stiff.
I recently got a set of 94a thunder bushings which feel like a good tightness but are too mushy and don’t rebound.
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If DLX is moving Thunder to Mexico that must mean Ermico is dead or having problems. Considering the hate Indy got for moving overseas I doubt they would do so unless necessary. Hopefully the T2 drop sometime ever.[close]
I’m always bummed to hear about manufacturing moving away. For a lot of reasons.
The qc of indy certainly did not get worse. (The metal was arguably better in the past).
yeah, I feel way more confident on thunders until it comes to carving a bowl or slappies. Straight away locking into grinds on transition better, ollies are straighter and crisper, i'm really enjoying them. I've still got a football Heroin old dude set up with Aces for that shit.Expand QuoteBeen on the thunders for a while now. Took a while to get used to the pop but just need to be a tad more aggressive, and its kinda nice how boring they are to turn as it helps me focus on trying tricks[close]
That's what I have to remind myself of when I'm tempted to try going back to Indy. Thunders just feel stable underfoot.
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If DLX is moving Thunder to Mexico that must mean Ermico is dead or having problems. Considering the hate Indy got for moving overseas I doubt they would do so unless necessary. Hopefully the T2 drop sometime ever.[close]
I’m always bummed to hear about manufacturing moving away. For a lot of reasons.
The qc of indy certainly did not get worse. (The metal was arguably better in the past).[close]
I wonder if moving production to Mexico is considered better business practice compared to moving production to China,
Maybe this belongs in the unpopular opinion thread, but as long as a truck isn't tooooo tight or toooo loose it's just not that hard to get used to the turn and figure out how to carve with it. With Venture I lean a lot harder, Indy I use my ankles to adjust the turn more and skate a little more over the bolts, Thunders I try not to land too much in the pockets so I don't compress the truck too fast and wheelbite. Overall I think the Thunder turn is the most balanced for me and I like skating them faster more than other trucks.No I agree, I have a pair of Krux that carve as good as my Indys. The whole, "This truck doesn't turn" thing is BS IMHO. Just gotta tune each one differently and get used to them. Like you see Nora carving around in bowls on her Krux. It's more about the rider than anything. Any pro level stuff is good enough, just gotta be willing to get use to all the nuances of each brand.
If DLX is moving Thunder to Mexico that must mean Ermico is dead or having problems. Considering the hate Indy got for moving overseas I doubt they would do so unless necessary. Hopefully the T2 drop sometime ever.
I assume they are moving Ventures too.....maybe there's hope they re-allign the alloy....I swear it's different...
Speaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.
Speaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.
i skated an 8.62 dlx with a 14.75 wb, forged thunders and risers over the weekend. felt really nice doing tricks on it, especially for the overall size of the setup i was quite surprised.
Still wasnt a huge fan of the turn, but kickflips and tres felt great.
that is all.
Expand Quotei skated an 8.62 dlx with a 14.75 wb, forged thunders and risers over the weekend. felt really nice doing tricks on it, especially for the overall size of the setup i was quite surprised.
Still wasnt a huge fan of the turn, but kickflips and tres felt great.
that is all.[close]
The homies board? I fucking love/hate this scenario. Dude shows up to the spot on something interesting, sees me doing some weird perverted eye fucking of the thing, pushes it over in my direction. Try to play it cool as the heart beat rises. Pop a lil nollie, oh that worked better than I thought, I’ll just brick a kickflip real quick, nope bolts. Get some type of verbal confirmation that it was working for me. Grab my board, fall trying to to take a push.
The last time this shit happened a guy had a new deal Siamese twin with thunders that I proceeded to nollie flip on, repeatedly, got back on my board and primo’d…a nollie. Which was a totally new way to fuck up. I’d previously been enjoying the shit out of my complete and landing some of the best kickflips of the last few years. Then I hated it.
Expand QuoteSpeaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.[close]
All Thunders come with 90A bushings, no matter what color they are. They do sell a pack of 100A aftermarket blue bushings, but those would never come stock.
Expand QuoteSpeaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.[close]
Indy aftermarket’s are good if you use the washers that come with them. Just don’t get the red bushings and they’ll work fine.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSpeaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.[close]
All Thunders come with 90A bushings, no matter what color they are. They do sell a pack of 100A aftermarket blue bushings, but those would never come stock.[close]
Gotcha. On CCS they said 99u, and some other models also say this so thats where I got that info. But maybe its just a typo.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSpeaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.[close]
All Thunders come with 90A bushings, no matter what color they are. They do sell a pack of 100A aftermarket blue bushings, but those would never come stock.[close]
Gotcha. On CCS they said 99u, and some other models also say this so thats where I got that info. But maybe its just a typo.[close]
Yeah, that seems odd. My gut says it’s just your average “skate retailer not bothering to get their product info correct” situation, but who knows.
Have you ridden them yet to see if they’re actually that hard? Of the big four, DLX bushings do seem to be more prone to firming up due to cold weather/sitting on a warehouse shelf for too long.
This has bit too much going on but I like the configuration (if that’s the right word).
(https://thundertrucks.com/catalog/spring23/01-th-sp23-d1-ao-mariano-customs.jpg)
Today, I learned that I can just buy team hollows instead of swapping out the forged baseplates of the hollow lights with team edition baseplates. I don’t know whether to be happy about that or disappointed in myself for not knowing.
There's so many configurations regarding light Thunders these days (e.g., lights, hollow lights, titanium lights + the team variants of them all) and there's no information on Thunder's website about how much these trucks actually weigh?
It's seems a bit redundant to market and have several "light" options available if you can't even compare them not only to their counterparts but also to the competition.
And does anyone know if the hollow axels are actually stronger than the solid ones? I remember reading that somewhere on Slap before but never bothered to investigate further.
I should note that I'm a long-term Thunder rider (forged hollow lights mainly) but I've felt inclined lately to try a different/heavier/taller style to spice things up. And it'd be nice to know the differences in weight and strength among the different trucks to know if what you're purchasing is actually justified or not.
Expand QuoteThere's so many configurations regarding light Thunders these days (e.g., lights, hollow lights, titanium lights + the team variants of them all) and there's no information on Thunder's website about how much these trucks actually weigh?
It's seems a bit redundant to market and have several "light" options available if you can't even compare them not only to their counterparts but also to the competition.
And does anyone know if the hollow axels are actually stronger than the solid ones? I remember reading that somewhere on Slap before but never bothered to investigate further.
I should note that I'm a long-term Thunder rider (forged hollow lights mainly) but I've felt inclined lately to try a different/heavier/taller style to spice things up. And it'd be nice to know the differences in weight and strength among the different trucks to know if what you're purchasing is actually justified or not.[close]
I think tactics has all that info iirc.
These are 149
Standard 363.5
Standard hollow 343.0
Titanium lights 315.4
Lights 348.6
I usually just go Team Standards.
They're still lighter than all other standard trucks. Only use hollow axle on on the 149 but still standard baseplates. Anything lighter and it fucks with my flick.
Do it! go standard.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThere's so many configurations regarding light Thunders these days (e.g., lights, hollow lights, titanium lights + the team variants of them all) and there's no information on Thunder's website about how much these trucks actually weigh?
It's seems a bit redundant to market and have several "light" options available if you can't even compare them not only to their counterparts but also to the competition.
And does anyone know if the hollow axels are actually stronger than the solid ones? I remember reading that somewhere on Slap before but never bothered to investigate further.
I should note that I'm a long-term Thunder rider (forged hollow lights mainly) but I've felt inclined lately to try a different/heavier/taller style to spice things up. And it'd be nice to know the differences in weight and strength among the different trucks to know if what you're purchasing is actually justified or not.[close]
I think tactics has all that info iirc.
These are 149
Standard 363.5
Standard hollow 343.0
Titanium lights 315.4
Lights 348.6
I usually just go Team Standards.
They're still lighter than all other standard trucks. Only use hollow axle on on the 149 but still standard baseplates. Anything lighter and it fucks with my flick.
Do it! go standard.[close]
Just and FYI: It has long been established that Tactics tech specs are not reliable, at all. Yes, they may be accurate on somethings, but but those are few and far between.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere's so many configurations regarding light Thunders these days (e.g., lights, hollow lights, titanium lights + the team variants of them all) and there's no information on Thunder's website about how much these trucks actually weigh?
It's seems a bit redundant to market and have several "light" options available if you can't even compare them not only to their counterparts but also to the competition.
And does anyone know if the hollow axels are actually stronger than the solid ones? I remember reading that somewhere on Slap before but never bothered to investigate further.
I should note that I'm a long-term Thunder rider (forged hollow lights mainly) but I've felt inclined lately to try a different/heavier/taller style to spice things up. And it'd be nice to know the differences in weight and strength among the different trucks to know if what you're purchasing is actually justified or not.[close]
I think tactics has all that info iirc.
These are 149
Standard 363.5
Standard hollow 343.0
Titanium lights 315.4
Lights 348.6
I usually just go Team Standards.
They're still lighter than all other standard trucks. Only use hollow axle on on the 149 but still standard baseplates. Anything lighter and it fucks with my flick.
Do it! go standard.[close]
Just and FYI: It has long been established that Tactics tech specs are not reliable, at all. Yes, they may be accurate on somethings, but but those are few and far between.[close]
I figured ,
i think the flow chart goes like this
Thunder standard,lights, team hollows, hollow lights, titanium lights.
Idk if at some point there was a team titanium. I could swear i had those.
I remember bending titanium venture axles though. They were hella light though and enjoyed them. Kept riding them till i hit axle.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere's so many configurations regarding light Thunders these days (e.g., lights, hollow lights, titanium lights + the team variants of them all) and there's no information on Thunder's website about how much these trucks actually weigh?
It's seems a bit redundant to market and have several "light" options available if you can't even compare them not only to their counterparts but also to the competition.
And does anyone know if the hollow axels are actually stronger than the solid ones? I remember reading that somewhere on Slap before but never bothered to investigate further.
I should note that I'm a long-term Thunder rider (forged hollow lights mainly) but I've felt inclined lately to try a different/heavier/taller style to spice things up. And it'd be nice to know the differences in weight and strength among the different trucks to know if what you're purchasing is actually justified or not.[close]
I think tactics has all that info iirc.
These are 149
Standard 363.5
Standard hollow 343.0
Titanium lights 315.4
Lights 348.6
I usually just go Team Standards.
They're still lighter than all other standard trucks. Only use hollow axle on on the 149 but still standard baseplates. Anything lighter and it fucks with my flick.
Do it! go standard.[close]
Just and FYI: It has long been established that Tactics tech specs are not reliable, at all. Yes, they may be accurate on somethings, but but those are few and far between.[close]
I figured ,
i think the flow chart goes like this
Thunder standard,lights, team hollows, hollow lights, titanium lights.
Idk if at some point there was a team titanium. I could swear i had those.
I remember bending titanium venture axles though. They were hella light though and enjoyed them. Kept riding them till i hit axle.[close]
There were indeed Team Titaniums at one time. But, you can make those yourself. Just throw some Ti hangers on some Team Baseplates. I think the flow chart is:
Team
Lights*
Team Hollows*
Hollow Lights
Ti
*These two might be reversed?? (e.g. Do Lights weigh more/less than Team Hollows??)
Hollow axles can be stronger because there is more surface area for the heat treatment to penetrate. In reality I dunno if this matters. I some bent my last pair of Thunder 149 standard axles stomping things off center on flat, which was surprising because I'm not that heavy and I've never bent another Thunder axle.
Funny, I broke so many Ventures in the late 90's despite being stick figure skinny that my parents lent me money to spend $8 more and get Thunders. Never had an issue with them.
Expand QuoteFunny, I broke so many Ventures in the late 90's despite being stick figure skinny that my parents lent me money to spend $8 more and get Thunders. Never had an issue with them.[close]
TBC I feel all 90s trucks broke. Feather lights would break, in different/interesting ways. Often.
Are baseplates interchangeable on thunders? My hollow light 147s are loooow, and my team 149s and high. Thinking of doing some swapping. I was probably tripping but when I tried before it looked off, and I never set em up.
First time trying risers on Thunders and without any other modifications ( ie: stock bushings/washers etc) I’ve found the truck feel I’ve been looking for. With a 54mm on 148 on 8.125 wheelbite wasn’t an issue for me but I just felt too low with the forged plates (Thunder Light). They feel so much more responsive now.
1/8 Dooks risers are slotted now and fit Thunders perfectly.
Best look at the ikp so far?
(https://i.ibb.co/qxP73xh/Screenshot-20230302-183332-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qxP73xh)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSpeaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.[close]
All Thunders come with 90A bushings, no matter what color they are. They do sell a pack of 100A aftermarket blue bushings, but those would never come stock.[close]
Gotcha. On CCS they said 99u, and some other models also say this so thats where I got that info. But maybe its just a typo.[close]
Yeah, that seems odd. My gut says it’s just your average “skate retailer not bothering to get their product info correct” situation, but who knows.
Have you ridden them yet to see if they’re actually that hard? Of the big four, DLX bushings do seem to be more prone to firming up due to cold weather/sitting on a warehouse shelf for too long.[close]
Yea Ive seen that in the past on other websites too. Probably just being lazy.
As far as hardness goes your totally right about them being hard in cold weather. Ive only skated this pair for a week or so and they do feel a little harder than others ones ive had on the past, but maybe they just need some more break in time. We’ll see in a couple weeks I guess.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSpeaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.[close]
All Thunders come with 90A bushings, no matter what color they are. They do sell a pack of 100A aftermarket blue bushings, but those would never come stock.[close]
Gotcha. On CCS they said 99u, and some other models also say this so thats where I got that info. But maybe its just a typo.[close]
Yeah, that seems odd. My gut says it’s just your average “skate retailer not bothering to get their product info correct” situation, but who knows.
Have you ridden them yet to see if they’re actually that hard? Of the big four, DLX bushings do seem to be more prone to firming up due to cold weather/sitting on a warehouse shelf for too long.[close]
Yea Ive seen that in the past on other websites too. Probably just being lazy.
As far as hardness goes your totally right about them being hard in cold weather. Ive only skated this pair for a week or so and they do feel a little harder than others ones ive had on the past, but maybe they just need some more break in time. We’ll see in a couple weeks I guess.[close]
I’ve been skating 149 Team Standards and the bushings get so stiff below 45 degrees I basically can’t ride them anymore. Tic tac city. Had to break out my old setup with Ventures.
Never had that problem to the same extent on any other truck.
Expand QuoteBest look at the ikp so far?
(https://i.ibb.co/qxP73xh/Screenshot-20230302-183332-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qxP73xh)[close]
The funny thing with that is they look like stock everything else (black washers on team edition trucks) and just an added inverted kingpin, almost like an afterthought, which looks different to the other test models that Ishod, Ben de G and people had before.
I could be totally wrong on that though, but now that Thunder does have the hex baseplate it would be easy for anyone to hammer out the normal kingpin and put in something else.
So I wonder if he did this himself, or if someone somewhere did it for him, eg in DLX or a shop?
I am not man enough to DM him and ask.
:)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBest look at the ikp so far?
(https://i.ibb.co/qxP73xh/Screenshot-20230302-183332-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qxP73xh)[close]
The funny thing with that is they look like stock everything else (black washers on team edition trucks) and just an added inverted kingpin, almost like an afterthought, which looks different to the other test models that Ishod, Ben de G and people had before.
I could be totally wrong on that though, but now that Thunder does have the hex baseplate it would be easy for anyone to hammer out the normal kingpin and put in something else.
So I wonder if he did this himself, or if someone somewhere did it for him, eg in DLX or a shop?
I am not man enough to DM him and ask.
:)[close]
Look at the shape of the hanger "hole" where the bushings go. I dunno the term for it but Indy's are round and Thunders have an obvious D shape. This hanger is slightly less angular there so you can tell the difference.
The set I saw pics of looks the same there, but the differences are only really obvious from the front looking at the hanger and especially the baseplate near the hanger nub.
Doesn't matter since it seems these are never coming out.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSpeaking of bushings, got some thunder team hollows with the blue baseplate/bolt logo. The bushings are dark blue and feel pretty hard, if i remember correctly they were 99du.
Id hate to order replacements and would rather just go to a shop but the shops near my only carry indy/bones, which i think are different sizes? Any idea if any of these will fit without changing the geometry too much? I ride a medium-loose truck so would like something more in the 90-92 du range i think.[close]
All Thunders come with 90A bushings, no matter what color they are. They do sell a pack of 100A aftermarket blue bushings, but those would never come stock.[close]
Gotcha. On CCS they said 99u, and some other models also say this so thats where I got that info. But maybe its just a typo.[close]
Yeah, that seems odd. My gut says it’s just your average “skate retailer not bothering to get their product info correct” situation, but who knows.
Have you ridden them yet to see if they’re actually that hard? Of the big four, DLX bushings do seem to be more prone to firming up due to cold weather/sitting on a warehouse shelf for too long.[close]
Yea Ive seen that in the past on other websites too. Probably just being lazy.
As far as hardness goes your totally right about them being hard in cold weather. Ive only skated this pair for a week or so and they do feel a little harder than others ones ive had on the past, but maybe they just need some more break in time. We’ll see in a couple weeks I guess.[close]
I’ve been skating 149 Team Standards and the bushings get so stiff below 45 degrees I basically can’t ride them anymore. Tic tac city. Had to break out my old setup with Ventures.
Never had that problem to the same extent on any other truck.[close]
I recall you as one of the very few that claimed venture before the current wave.
Do Thunder 147s perform much differently than the wider, taller sizes. I have read that the 147s tend to feel a bit tighter than the wider sizes. I’m not necessarily looking for a tighter feeling truck but just curious how much different they are. I know that the standard 147 is lower than the wider sizes but being on forged 148 I don’t see the height being much different. Are these a completely different truck from what I’m used to or basically the same?
Expand QuoteDo Thunder 147s perform much differently than the wider, taller sizes. I have read that the 147s tend to feel a bit tighter than the wider sizes. I’m not necessarily looking for a tighter feeling truck but just curious how much different they are. I know that the standard 147 is lower than the wider sizes but being on forged 148 I don’t see the height being much different. Are these a completely different truck from what I’m used to or basically the same?[close]
147s, and down, are different. They are shorter, and the difference is noticeable.
Ishod, Wade, Shane, Nyjah, etc, all on the 147s.
Imo the max wheel size is a 52.
They have less kp clearance than the larger sizes.
I have forged 148s, and they are significantly different, to me.
I am a fan. The pop is great. Maybe my favorite truck? I get bummed on the small wheels, and they are not as ‘fun’ cruising around as an ace or something like that, but yeah, kind of their own thing. Closest truck imo would be a 5.2 venture lo
Do Thunder 147s perform much differently than the wider, taller sizes. I have read that the 147s tend to feel a bit tighter than the wider sizes. I’m not necessarily looking for a tighter feeling truck but just curious how much different they are. I know that the standard 147 is lower than the wider sizes but being on forged 148 I don’t see the height being much different. Are these a completely different truck from what I’m used to or basically the same?
What's the best thunder truck set up for skating strictly transition? I am currently skating Indy 149s but I want to buy an American made truck. Ventures apparently suck for transition and I think they are the only other American made option so I'm going to try out thunder.
What's the best thunder truck set up for skating strictly transition? I am currently skating Indy 149s but I want to buy an American made truck. Ventures apparently suck for transition and I think they are the only other American made option so I'm going to try out thunder.
Expand QuoteDo Thunder 147s perform much differently than the wider, taller sizes. I have read that the 147s tend to feel a bit tighter than the wider sizes. I’m not necessarily looking for a tighter feeling truck but just curious how much different they are. I know that the standard 147 is lower than the wider sizes but being on forged 148 I don’t see the height being much different. Are these a completely different truck from what I’m used to or basically the same?[close]
Going from forged 148 to team 147: Other than height(1mm), width(6mm) and kingpin clearance(2mm) it's the exact same truck and feels the same.
Those 2mm kingpin clearance are noticeably if you do a lot of smith grinds, but obviously it still works fine
What's the best thunder truck set up for skating strictly transition? I am currently skating Indy 149s but I want to buy an American made truck. Ventures apparently suck for transition and I think they are the only other American made option so I'm going to try out thunder.
What's the best thunder truck set up for skating strictly transition? I am currently skating Indy 149s but I want to buy an American made truck. Ventures apparently suck for transition and I think they are the only other American made option so I'm going to try out thunder.
Any tips on making thunders less twitchy?
is there somewhere that lists the weights of the different trucks please?
is 367g accurate for 149 team?
is there somewhere that lists the weights of the different trucks please?
is 367g accurate for 149 team?
I intend to switch to 148! I rode 8.00 with 5.25 Venture for a long time, and now for a month I have been riding 8.125 with these Ventures. However, I want to be a little lower and maybe (i say maybe) switch to 8.25 (More insurance to catch up)
I skate a lot a lot of flatground, a few banks and small gaps! I would also like to work on the manuals! Which do you think is better, the standard Thunder 148 or the 148 Lights ?
Note that I am small (5.7), I am 8.00 in shoe size!
And I wouldn't try the 147s in case someone offered them to me! I have ridden with them before, I found them too light and uncontrollable, and also a stiff feeling!
Expand QuoteI intend to switch to 148! I rode 8.00 with 5.25 Venture for a long time, and now for a month I have been riding 8.125 with these Ventures. However, I want to be a little lower and maybe (i say maybe) switch to 8.25 (More insurance to catch up)
I skate a lot a lot of flatground, a few banks and small gaps! I would also like to work on the manuals! Which do you think is better, the standard Thunder 148 or the 148 Lights ?
Note that I am small (5.7), I am 8.00 in shoe size!
And I wouldn't try the 147s in case someone offered them to me! I have ridden with them before, I found them too light and uncontrollable, and also a stiff feeling![close]
Alright, so i am your size and shoe size to start off.
I was on 8,125 board and 8 inch trucks/ thunder 147 teams (regular baseplate) for the last like 12 years, recently switched to 8.25 board and 148 team thunders. for me the change was that the 148s are like 2mm higher thatn the 147s. so you coming from a higher truck i would say get the Team Baseplate ones instead of the hollow/ forged ones. i always go with the regular ones/ thicker baseplate because less wheelbite!
i really liked the change to the 8,25 board and trucks since it was a small step up but brought me stabiltiy since the wheels are less inward than on the 8,125 boar/8 truck combo!
since i think of thunders as a light truck overall i did not feel my board being heavier, i also feel like them hollow shits feel flimsy sometimes, nbut that's just me, so take that as you will.....
hope that helps
I was just watching a Thunder Hollow Light truck review on YouTube and came across this comment:
"I’ve found the hollow axle is slower in comparison to the titanium axles. I believe the hollow allowed significant vibration, which in turn absorbed my momentum. That’s been my experience anyhow. I prefer the solid axle LIGHTS over the hollows."
It's been too long since I've skated solid axels myself, so I'm wondering if there's any merit to this? Or if anybody else has had a similar experience?
Expand QuoteI was just watching a Thunder Hollow Light truck review on YouTube and came across this comment:
"I’ve found the hollow axle is slower in comparison to the titanium axles. I believe the hollow allowed significant vibration, which in turn absorbed my momentum. That’s been my experience anyhow. I prefer the solid axle LIGHTS over the hollows."
It's been too long since I've skated solid axels myself, so I'm wondering if there's any merit to this? Or if anybody else has had a similar experience?[close]
Heavier objects are harder to stop once they are in motion.
Idk about the hollow parts vibrating more and the effects on speed that would have.
actually thought it through and i dont really see why i want 8.5" trucks when i already have 2 sets of 8.75" trucks. doesnt really make sense because all i can really ride is 8.5" and 8.6" on a 149 (i dont plan on getting any 8.6's and its also not a popular size) i have 2 sets of trucks for big boards already.
if i buy 148s instead, i can use 8.25", 8.38", and 8.5" boards , which are all pretty popular sizes right now. I like the way that 148s turn too, i think its pretty good in between of turny and tight. as much as i want to have a 149 truck to complete the set, it just doesnt seem practical. i think when my indy 159s are completely unskateable i might consider replacing them with 149s. then i can put my 8.75" board on 149s which seems like it would be pretty sick.
i am somewhat hot rod curious... maybe afraid to admit it though
yeah 1/8" on each side really isnt shit
and i say the same thing to ppl who are like oh i cant believe u magic carpet 8.5 down to 8.25" lol but it acutally lines up pretty damn close.
its a matter of how much i like the turning is what it comes down to. i have never rode a 149 truck so the turning radius will feel in between my 144 and 159 sizes i am used to
Just picked up some 149 Titanium Lights, the Tactics weights are pretty spot on. 312g on both.
(https://i.imgur.com/r6xKFUr.jpeg)
Expand Quoteyeah 1/8" on each side really isnt shit
and i say the same thing to ppl who are like oh i cant believe u magic carpet 8.5 down to 8.25" lol but it acutally lines up pretty damn close.
its a matter of how much i like the turning is what it comes down to. i have never rode a 149 truck so the turning radius will feel in between my 144 and 159 sizes i am used to[close]
Id say try the 149.
I've ridden all of the above and i feel like 149 just works the best in most situations.
Expand Quotei am somewhat hot rod curious... maybe afraid to admit it though[close]
i dont even notice any axel poking out with 149s on 8.3/8.38
and only a negligible amount is noticeable on 8.25
Boards are commonly 1/8 of an inch wider than the respective truck, so you can size down your board accordingly. I’m a nut job and even I do it and quite like a 8.125 on 148’s, an 8 would more or less functionally be fine but I’d see the nut and lose my mind…..
Generally speaking magic carpet is easier to roll your board over, hot rod is easier to snag those trucks on grinds….
It’s nuanced shit that there may be smaller mental and functional differences which can vary from person to person…
My friend got a new 8.5" setup with thunder 149 i am going to try and see if i like it. andrew allen hockey - 14.25" wb.
I have a feeling that I personally will end up on the 8.25" truck size though which is what im currently on with 8.5"board. I find 8" trucks super tic-tacky, no matter how loose i put them. 8.75" trucks feel really nice and turny, but it is a bit much sometimes. have to massively cross lock on a rail. when i got on 8.25" it felt really nice and precise but still turny enough.
I have noticed a lot of 8.38" boards have shorter wb than 8.5" boards, and i am finding that i dont really like 14.5" wb. i can skate it though, its the longest i want to go. i have 14.75" and def dont like it. there are 8.5" with 14wb but its way harder to find and i dont wanna be spending mad $ on boards. so anyway thats why i like 8.38" i cant really even tell difference width wise to a 8.5" but they are often much more tucked in.
i like the idea of magic carpeting a lot more than hot rodding - i think the magic carpet looks way better. leo romero and franky some of my favorite skaters.
To those who have tested both sizes with the 148, what do you think ?I've ridden 148's on sizes 8.0, 8.125, 8.18, 8.25 with no issues at all. you can make micro adjustments by making the wheels tuck in more if you remove inner washers, etc. if it's really bugging you.
It's all about 147 with extra washers for meagreed and if you want more height, deluxe has those wooden risers
A 147 with risers and tons to washers is just a 148
A 147 with risers and tons to washers is just a 148
How differently do they turn? Which had more wheelbite…..let’s say while skating an 8.125? Looser trucks?
Yah I didn’t know so I thought I’d ask….I figured maybe tighter turning radius, more twitchy? Liked the comparison to venture lo’s, hadn’t thought of it.
I guess people skate the 147’s with washers as it’s that much lower….
Expand QuoteYah I didn’t know so I thought I’d ask….I figured maybe tighter turning radius, more twitchy? Liked the comparison to venture lo’s, hadn’t thought of it.
I guess people skate the 147’s with washers as it’s that much lower….[close]
Ben Degros has a nice breakdown of the Thunder 147 vs. Venture Lo 5.2 on his channel that is worth a watch.
because when you go wider you have a wider turning radius
i see what you mean though whne you push out the wheels with washers it is effectively doing the same thing. you also have less meat on the trucks though so grinds would feel a little more tight . and thunders scale the height as well with the width as you know
Expand Quotebecause when you go wider you have a wider turning radius
i see what you mean though whne you push out the wheels with washers it is effectively doing the same thing. you also have less meat on the trucks though so grinds would feel a little more tight . and thunders scale the height as well with the width as you know[close]
I think the major difference is the pivot nub thing is longer on >=148 trucks. The bigger trucks also seem to have a bit more meat on the "wings" which makes sens i guess.
Bushings, kingpin and baseplate seem to be the same. Could this lead to a different angle of the trucks with the same bushing height but a short pivot nub?
Intuitively I feel like it could extend the wheelbase marginally, since the 147 should be "tilted" a bit towards the nose and tail? This is purely speculative but I guess this is what this place is meant for^^
Here are some comparison photos of 149 and 147 hangers.
Disclaimer:
These are both used trucks but I guess one does still get the general idea and they are ground kinda equally. The 147 is from 2015 (they still had the yellow bushings). The 149 are from around ~2019 i would guess (blue bushings). Were there any changes in the thunder geometry in the last 10-15 years except for the kingpins when they had supply chain issues because of covid? The baseplate got the hexnut recess but otherwise stayed the same?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYah I didn’t know so I thought I’d ask….I figured maybe tighter turning radius, more twitchy? Liked the comparison to venture lo’s, hadn’t thought of it.
I guess people skate the 147’s with washers as it’s that much lower….[close]
Ben Degros has a nice breakdown of the Thunder 147 vs. Venture Lo 5.2 on his channel that is worth a watch.[close]
What was his takeaway?
If I was recommending a truck to the masses, 148s: higher, more turn, still good pop.
147s…you gotta kinda be into ‘that’, which is low, maybe 52s/smaller, more twitch. To me, 147s are the classic thunder feel.
I would be very remiss if I did not point out that I am influenced by Wade, Ishod, old MJ footage, rare Gino clips… not my favorites, but I think Shane, Nyjah are on 147s as well. Some hitters.
I have no Thunder bushing break in time either.neither do I
A 147 with risers and tons to washers is just a 148
Regarding Thunder bushings and break-in period: I can definitely enjoy riding them day one. I have noticed that they firm up quite a bit after the first 20 minutes or so and after a few sessions soften back up with a nice responsiveness. But to me they seem to get even better about a month later when they have that mash into the turn feeling and bounce back to center after the carve.
did they move manufacturing back to the states? i thought i saw some random post of a truck that had a "made in the usa" tag on it
Expand Quotedid they move manufacturing back to the states? i thought i saw some random post of a truck that had a "made in the usa" tag on it[close]
They have always poured the hangers and cast base plates in SF.
I find it interesting that the Thunder thread gets the least attention of any truck thread on here. Are they just that vanilla? So lackluster that they don't deserve accolades? Or so solid that there's not much to discuss?
Every time I try to move away from mine I come back. At this point the lack of baseplate slide can be a bit annoying if the side of a ledge isn't waxed and I've bent 2 axles, and my pop isn't the highest, but that's small details compare to everything else just working really well on em.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotedid they move manufacturing back to the states? i thought i saw some random post of a truck that had a "made in the usa" tag on it[close]
They have always poured the hangers and cast base plates in SF.[close]
With the made in the USA sticker they may be old stock, or an old photo. Though all cast models are poured in the USA the materials are sourced elsewhere including the bushings and hardware, making them not enough to still be labeled as USA made. Also there are rumors of Thunder and Venture moving production to Mexico.
Cody Lockwood does great on transition with larger wheels and no risers on Thunders
I find it interesting that the Thunder thread gets the least attention of any truck thread on here. Are they just that vanilla? So lackluster that they don't deserve accolades? Or so solid that there's not much to discuss?
Every time I try to move away from mine I come back. At this point the lack of baseplate slide can be a bit annoying if the side of a ledge isn't waxed and I've bent 2 axles, and my pop isn't the highest, but that's small details compare to everything else just working really well on em.
I find it interesting that the Thunder thread gets the least attention of any truck thread on here. Are they just that vanilla? So lackluster that they don't deserve accolades? Or so solid that there's not much to discuss?
Every time I try to move away from mine I come back. At this point the lack of baseplate slide can be a bit annoying if the side of a ledge isn't waxed and I've bent 2 axles, and my pop isn't the highest, but that's small details compare to everything else just working really well on em.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotedid they move manufacturing back to the states? i thought i saw some random post of a truck that had a "made in the usa" tag on it[close]
They have always poured the hangers and cast base plates in SF.[close]
With the made in the USA sticker they may be old stock, or an old photo. Though all cast models are poured in the USA the materials are sourced elsewhere including the bushings and hardware, making them not enough to still be labeled as USA made. Also there are rumors of Thunder and Venture moving production to Mexico.[close]
Saw some thunders at my local that said made in Mexico on the sticker. Heard the same about spitfire
I am also in the camp of the baseplate “issue” actually being advantageous...
Expand QuoteI am also in the camp of the baseplate “issue” actually being advantageous...[close]
Bold statement. What "advantage" does the design of Thunder baseplates provide?
I have noticed that i slide easier with thunders on really crusty ledges, coz with other trucks sometimes the baseplate kind of get caught beacuse of the cracks. But on smooth ledges and metal i prefer the baseplate slide, coz i can hold it longer.Expand QuoteI am also in the camp of the baseplate “issue” actually being advantageous...[close]
Bold statement. What "advantage" does the design of Thunder baseplates provide?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI am also in the camp of the baseplate “issue” actually being advantageous...[close]
Bold statement. What "advantage" does the design of Thunder baseplates provide?[close]
Well I suppose as it is with most things it’s just what you are used to, but I think my nose and tail slides feel more “locked in” on thunders and stabler if that makes any sense. Also when I skate ventures or ace and am hitting a chunky ledge I find the baseplate can kind of dig in and make for a stuttered slide sometimes. Then again, it’s probably just my rubbish technique.
The one thing I have noticed however, is you have to get into them nice and square, and sometimes particularly with front noses I tend to get thrown off cause I’ve over rotated and the wheels catch. Again technique, but I do find ventures have more margin for error in this way.
All this is to say I prefer thunders probably because that’s the truck I learnt these tricks on and can do them the most consistently with.
...If you have two points of contact spread apart on the ledge as opposed to a single one in the middle, you do have a wider base of support as you slide.
Expand Quote...If you have two points of contact spread apart on the ledge as opposed to a single one in the middle, you do have a wider base of support as you slide.[close]
And also what makes you stick unless using crazy amounts of wax. :)
Expand Quote...If you have two points of contact spread apart on the ledge as opposed to a single one in the middle, you do have a wider base of support as you slide.[close]
And also what makes you stick unless using crazy amounts of wax. :)
Expand QuoteExpand Quote...If you have two points of contact spread apart on the ledge as opposed to a single one in the middle, you do have a wider base of support as you slide.[close]
And also what makes you stick unless using crazy amounts of wax. :)[close]
I don't use crazy amounts of wax just lean back into the slide more.
The advantage of the baseplate is maybe that it just facilitates the geometry. They have a more slack kingpin angle so that's why the front of the plate towards the middle is longer. If you extended the rear you'd have a massively long plate.
https://youtu.be/kk35kML1aFw
Tom Asta truck madness
I'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.
I am fairly certain I already know the answer to this, but want to confirm with hardcore Thunder nerds. Assume the two following trucks:Confirmed ~ Thunder Hangers/Baseplates are all interchangeable, regardless of hanger size
-148 Lights / forged / 51mm
-149 Team Hollows / cast / 52mm
Are these hangers/baseplates interchangeable? Which is to say that you could also turn the 148 into a 52mm “team/cast” truck, and the 149 into a 51mm “forged” truck?
I am fairly certain I already know the answer to this, but want to confirm with hardcore Thunder nerds. Assume the two following trucks:
-148 Lights / forged / 51mm
-149 Team Hollows / cast / 52mm
Are these hangers/baseplates interchangeable? Which is to say that you could also turn the 148 into a 52mm “team/cast” truck, and the 149 into a 51mm “forged” truck?
I'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.
Expand Quotehttps://youtu.be/kk35kML1aFw
Tom Asta truck madness[close]
Haha yes. I came here to post this.
I do the same thing with putting old bushings into new trucks in the same orientation and I screw the nuts on the kingpin flat side facing in.
Expand QuoteI'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.[close]
I feel very similarly. I don’t tend to stick to one setup for long, had some pretty insane madness over the last 10 years and own a lot of trucks. Af1s are fun. If I’m just chasing a toddler around, or they want to ride more board, it’s a good one to grab.
But if I’m trying to hang onto my 5 ish flip tricks, probably gonna be on thunders (and 5.2 lo ventures).
The ease of pop is so nice.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.[close]
I feel very similarly. I don’t tend to stick to one setup for long, had some pretty insane madness over the last 10 years and own a lot of trucks. Af1s are fun. If I’m just chasing a toddler around, or they want to ride more board, it’s a good one to grab.
But if I’m trying to hang onto my 5 ish flip tricks, probably gonna be on thunders (and 5.2 lo ventures).
The ease of pop is so nice.[close]
+1, but for me it's not really flip tricks that's a struggle, it's mostly grinds. I love my aces, but I seem to have a hard time locking in crooked grinds and to a lesser extent feebles. Whenever I get into a crooked grind that's the least bit long, I lock out and get into noseslide. I don't have that problem on Thunders, and I feel like while Aces are really fun to skate, I skate much more consistently on Thunders.
Bummer, since I just bought some Hollow AF1 55s and set them up for two sessions before hopping back on Thunders. Only thing with thunders is that I have a hard time getting them loose enough with the stock bushings, and I have no knowledge of bushings in general so I don't want to buy bushings that don't fit. I had some white bushings on an old set of team hollows (don't have them anymore...) and they felt better than the clear blue ones I have on my current standard 149s. My local shop just received some White 90a thunder bushings, might go buy them and see if they're any better.
Otherwise, does anyone have a recommendation on how to get them looser without fucking up the geometry? I know I could just remove the bottom/top washer, but bottom would mess up the geometry (idk if that's a big deal or not, but I don't want to mess anything up either) and removing the top washer would probably mess up the top bushing, I guess.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.[close]
I feel very similarly. I don’t tend to stick to one setup for long, had some pretty insane madness over the last 10 years and own a lot of trucks. Af1s are fun. If I’m just chasing a toddler around, or they want to ride more board, it’s a good one to grab.
But if I’m trying to hang onto my 5 ish flip tricks, probably gonna be on thunders (and 5.2 lo ventures).
The ease of pop is so nice.[close]
+1, but for me it's not really flip tricks that's a struggle, it's mostly grinds. I love my aces, but I seem to have a hard time locking in crooked grinds and to a lesser extent feebles. Whenever I get into a crooked grind that's the least bit long, I lock out and get into noseslide. I don't have that problem on Thunders, and I feel like while Aces are really fun to skate, I skate much more consistently on Thunders.
Bummer, since I just bought some Hollow AF1 55s and set them up for two sessions before hopping back on Thunders. Only thing with thunders is that I have a hard time getting them loose enough with the stock bushings, and I have no knowledge of bushings in general so I don't want to buy bushings that don't fit. I had some white bushings on an old set of team hollows (don't have them anymore...) and they felt better than the clear blue ones I have on my current standard 149s. My local shop just received some White 90a thunder bushings, might go buy them and see if they're any better.
Otherwise, does anyone have a recommendation on how to get them looser without fucking up the geometry? I know I could just remove the bottom/top washer, but bottom would mess up the geometry (idk if that's a big deal or not, but I don't want to mess anything up either) and removing the top washer would probably mess up the top bushing, I guess.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.[close]
I feel very similarly. I don’t tend to stick to one setup for long, had some pretty insane madness over the last 10 years and own a lot of trucks. Af1s are fun. If I’m just chasing a toddler around, or they want to ride more board, it’s a good one to grab.
But if I’m trying to hang onto my 5 ish flip tricks, probably gonna be on thunders (and 5.2 lo ventures).
The ease of pop is so nice.[close]
+1, but for me it's not really flip tricks that's a struggle, it's mostly grinds. I love my aces, but I seem to have a hard time locking in crooked grinds and to a lesser extent feebles. Whenever I get into a crooked grind that's the least bit long, I lock out and get into noseslide. I don't have that problem on Thunders, and I feel like while Aces are really fun to skate, I skate much more consistently on Thunders.
Bummer, since I just bought some Hollow AF1 55s and set them up for two sessions before hopping back on Thunders. Only thing with thunders is that I have a hard time getting them loose enough with the stock bushings, and I have no knowledge of bushings in general so I don't want to buy bushings that don't fit. I had some white bushings on an old set of team hollows (don't have them anymore...) and they felt better than the clear blue ones I have on my current standard 149s. My local shop just received some White 90a thunder bushings, might go buy them and see if they're any better.
Otherwise, does anyone have a recommendation on how to get them looser without fucking up the geometry? I know I could just remove the bottom/top washer, but bottom would mess up the geometry (idk if that's a big deal or not, but I don't want to mess anything up either) and removing the top washer would probably mess up the top bushing, I guess.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.[close]
I feel very similarly. I don’t tend to stick to one setup for long, had some pretty insane madness over the last 10 years and own a lot of trucks. Af1s are fun. If I’m just chasing a toddler around, or they want to ride more board, it’s a good one to grab.
But if I’m trying to hang onto my 5 ish flip tricks, probably gonna be on thunders (and 5.2 lo ventures).
The ease of pop is so nice.[close]
+1, but for me it's not really flip tricks that's a struggle, it's mostly grinds. I love my aces, but I seem to have a hard time locking in crooked grinds and to a lesser extent feebles. Whenever I get into a crooked grind that's the least bit long, I lock out and get into noseslide. I don't have that problem on Thunders, and I feel like while Aces are really fun to skate, I skate much more consistently on Thunders.
Bummer, since I just bought some Hollow AF1 55s and set them up for two sessions before hopping back on Thunders. Only thing with thunders is that I have a hard time getting them loose enough with the stock bushings, and I have no knowledge of bushings in general so I don't want to buy bushings that don't fit. I had some white bushings on an old set of team hollows (don't have them anymore...) and they felt better than the clear blue ones I have on my current standard 149s. My local shop just received some White 90a thunder bushings, might go buy them and see if they're any better.
Otherwise, does anyone have a recommendation on how to get them looser without fucking up the geometry? I know I could just remove the bottom/top washer, but bottom would mess up the geometry (idk if that's a big deal or not, but I don't want to mess anything up either) and removing the top washer would probably mess up the top bushing, I guess.[close]
I too love the white Thunder bushings. However, before you go down the rabbit hole of bushing madness, have you waxed the pivot cups yet? It makes a world of difference in my opinion. Take a razor blade and shave an excessive amount in there. It worked wonders for me coming from Indy and I’ve been hooked on Thunder ever since. I do find that the bushings though they firm up initially tend to soften into a nice “bounce back to center “ after about a month of sessions for me at 1-2 sessions per week.
Expand QuoteI'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.[close]
Are you back on 147 or 148 ?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm back on Thunders after a few years on Ace AF-1. I liked em but my flip tricks got worse on Ace. I don't really skate bowls but the turning and carving were great. I didn't really see the benefits of Ace really working for the type of skating I'm doing now, so I decided to get back on Thunders. I had the best flat when I skated them and now that I'm older I think the quicker pop will be better for me.[close]
I feel very similarly. I don’t tend to stick to one setup for long, had some pretty insane madness over the last 10 years and own a lot of trucks. Af1s are fun. If I’m just chasing a toddler around, or they want to ride more board, it’s a good one to grab.
But if I’m trying to hang onto my 5 ish flip tricks, probably gonna be on thunders (and 5.2 lo ventures).
The ease of pop is so nice.[close]
+1, but for me it's not really flip tricks that's a struggle, it's mostly grinds. I love my aces, but I seem to have a hard time locking in crooked grinds and to a lesser extent feebles. Whenever I get into a crooked grind that's the least bit long, I lock out and get into noseslide. I don't have that problem on Thunders, and I feel like while Aces are really fun to skate, I skate much more consistently on Thunders.
Bummer, since I just bought some Hollow AF1 55s and set them up for two sessions before hopping back on Thunders. Only thing with thunders is that I have a hard time getting them loose enough with the stock bushings, and I have no knowledge of bushings in general so I don't want to buy bushings that don't fit. I had some white bushings on an old set of team hollows (don't have them anymore...) and they felt better than the clear blue ones I have on my current standard 149s. My local shop just received some White 90a thunder bushings, might go buy them and see if they're any better.
Otherwise, does anyone have a recommendation on how to get them looser without fucking up the geometry? I know I could just remove the bottom/top washer, but bottom would mess up the geometry (idk if that's a big deal or not, but I don't want to mess anything up either) and removing the top washer would probably mess up the top bushing, I guess.[close]
@Xen is the bushing dude. He’ll get you sorted out.
I do not fuck with bushings, I just rode what’s there. Bones (hards only imo) work in thunders.
I also liked the white bushings, most seem to hate.
I’ve bought a lot of shit, to realize I don’t like it. That’s cool too, in its own way
Does anyone know how high the 148 hollow lights truck is? Tactics has it listed as 52.3mm but also has the 148 Team edition as 52.3mm. I thought with the forge base plate (hollow lights) its suppose to be lower, anyone got some insight? Tactics also has the Titanium 149 as 49mm high?
i think people forget the search engine exists lolExpand QuoteDoes anyone know how high the 148 hollow lights truck is? Tactics has it listed as 52.3mm but also has the 148 Team edition as 52.3mm. I thought with the forge base plate (hollow lights) its suppose to be lower, anyone got some insight? Tactics also has the Titanium 149 as 49mm high?[close]
As posted numerous times in this thread:
https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/
TEAM: 52mm
Forged: 51mm
i think people forget the search engine exists lolExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone know how high the 148 hollow lights truck is? Tactics has it listed as 52.3mm but also has the 148 Team edition as 52.3mm. I thought with the forge base plate (hollow lights) its suppose to be lower, anyone got some insight? Tactics also has the Titanium 149 as 49mm high?[close]
As posted numerous times in this thread:
https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/
TEAM: 52mm
Forged: 51mm[close]
https://youtu.be/kk35kML1aFw
Tom Asta truck madness
Said fuck it and threw in bones mediums with the flat bottom washer as my compressed stock bottom was the same height; last ditch effort before grabbing some 8" royals.
Said fuck it and threw in bones mediums with the flat bottom washer as my compressed stock bottom was the same height; last ditch effort before grabbing some 8" royals.
Expand QuoteSaid fuck it and threw in bones mediums with the flat bottom washer as my compressed stock bottom was the same height; last ditch effort before grabbing some 8" royals.[close]
I remember you saying you like loose trucks and these are all former bushings so is the idea to run them cranked less and have some swerve but not bottom out?
I been focusing on my health lately and lost enough weight where I finally don’t die by wheelbite on Thunders anymore. Really enjoying Team Hollow 148s with 53 conical fulls, great balance that works on a few different decks I’ve tried lately.
Expand QuoteI been focusing on my health lately and lost enough weight where I finally don’t die by wheelbite on Thunders anymore. Really enjoying Team Hollow 148s with 53 conical fulls, great balance that works on a few different decks I’ve tried lately.[close]
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI been focusing on my health lately and lost enough weight where I finally don’t die by wheelbite on Thunders anymore. Really enjoying Team Hollow 148s with 53 conical fulls, great balance that works on a few different decks I’ve tried lately.[close]
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI been focusing on my health lately and lost enough weight where I finally don’t die by wheelbite on Thunders anymore. Really enjoying Team Hollow 148s with 53 conical fulls, great balance that works on a few different decks I’ve tried lately.[close]
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Haha didn't even think of that. I still need to drop some pounds though, still fat for the time being!
On a Thunder related note, I was thinking of trying the Real wood risers so I can ride bigger wheels. Anyone know if the universal ones fit Thunders (perfectly)? Or should I get the Thunder specific ones? My local only has the former and my it really really bothers me when risers don't match up perfect.
Do you guys notice a lot of difference between having Lights / Hollow Light / Team Hollow / Team / Titanium?No difference between hollow lights and titanium lighs. The hollows really are light enough.
No difference between hollow lights and titanium lighs. The hollows really are light enough.Expand QuoteDo you guys notice a lot of difference between having Lights / Hollow Light / Team Hollow / Team / Titanium?[close]
What makes a huge difference for me is putting hollow hangers on a regular team baseplate. It suddenly felt way too light for me, even tough it's heavier. Wheelbase magic. But that's just me, I like a heavy pop feel.
Team standards feel nice though, I guess they're heavy enough to compensate the shorter wheelbase for me.
Actually you are right, risers indeed.
I’m curious why he does this? Still makes me want to try it, with the two top bushings as well.
8" trucks work great on an 8.25", however, I don't see the advantage of 147s and pushing out the wheels with washers (other than weight)..just ride 148 cast if you don't want magic carpet? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The lower top and bottom, clearly pull in the wheelbase/effect the geometry.
FWIW I've been running bones mediums (provided washer under the bottom bushing) in 147s with no issue at all, probably the best feeling thunders I've ridden in a long time (for the record, ages ago I ran 147 TI, with bones softs on an 8.25" Real SE before they decks hit market)...the shorter bottom does tilt the hanger in, shortening the 'thunder wheelbase'.
I’m wondering if Ishod was doing this before 148s existed and just doesn’t want to change.
Expand Quote8" trucks work great on an 8.25", however, I don't see the advantage of 147s and pushing out the wheels with washers (other than weight)..just ride 148 cast if you don't want magic carpet? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The lower top and bottom, clearly pull in the wheelbase/effect the geometry.
FWIW I've been running bones mediums (provided washer under the bottom bushing) in 147s with no issue at all, probably the best feeling thunders I've ridden in a long time (for the record, ages ago I ran 147 TI, with bones softs on an 8.25" Real SE before they decks hit market)...the shorter bottom does tilt the hanger in, shortening the 'thunder wheelbase'.[close]
I super agree with 8” trucks on 8.25” boards. I think more than anything I can just stick to 8” trucks and I’m better off, in general.
147s are really excellent. If I replace my bushings it’s going to be bones hards. Thunders turn quick, I love the pop, just need help not wheelbiting as much. And it turns out…I skate better with tighter trucks. Well, some stuff gets more difficult, the tighter I go, but for most of my flatground bs, tighter is better
Actually you are right, risers indeed.
I’m curious why he does this? Still makes me want to try it, with the two top bushings as well.
8" trucks work great on an 8.25", however, I don't see the advantage of 147s and pushing out the wheels with washers (other than weight)..just ride 148 cast if you don't want magic carpet? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The lower top and bottom, clearly pull in the wheelbase/effect the geometry.
FWIW I've been running bones mediums (provided washer under the bottom bushing) in 147s with no issue at all, probably the best feeling thunders I've ridden in a long time (for the record, ages ago I ran 147 TI, with bones softs on an 8.25" Real SE before they decks hit market)...the shorter bottom does tilt the hanger in, shortening the 'thunder wheelbase'.
Expand Quote8" trucks work great on an 8.25", however, I don't see the advantage of 147s and pushing out the wheels with washers (other than weight)..just ride 148 cast if you don't want magic carpet? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The lower top and bottom, clearly pull in the wheelbase/effect the geometry.
FWIW I've been running bones mediums (provided washer under the bottom bushing) in 147s with no issue at all, probably the best feeling thunders I've ridden in a long time (for the record, ages ago I ran 147 TI, with bones softs on an 8.25" Real SE before they decks hit market)...the shorter bottom does tilt the hanger in, shortening the 'thunder wheelbase'.[close]
You used the Bones flat washer or the stock Thunder washer on bottom? I tried to keep the stock washer on bottom but could barely get the nut on (brand new kingpin). Tried using the stock thunder bushings for 2 weeks but they didn’t agree with me at all. Bones mediums working just fine with the flat washer on top. First set of thunders since probably 2007 and I’m really liking them so far coming off ACE. Trying to limit my number of slams this summer.
Sorry I mis-read. I thought you meant the absence of a bottom washer was causing the issue as well as the 2 tops making it worse. I had assumed even a normal bottom was causing it.this is exactly what I didn't like about the loose conversion kit for Ventures; but i didn't know how to describe it lol
He did try it for a bit cuz of Ishod, but doesn't like his trucks that loose on center.
this is exactly what I didn't like about the loose conversion kit for Ventures; but i didn't know how to describe it lolExpand QuoteSorry I mis-read. I thought you meant the absence of a bottom washer was causing the issue as well as the 2 tops making it worse. I had assumed even a normal bottom was causing it.
He did try it for a bit cuz of Ishod, but doesn't like his trucks that loose on center.[close]
How come you guys are changing the stock bushings on Thunders? I think they look and feel sick as fuck!I keep my Thunders 147's stock and totally agree that they feel good; I do run the wooden risers tho which I know defeats the purpose of skating the 147s lol
I keep my Thunders 147's stock and totally agree that they feel good; I do run the wooden risers tho which I know defeats the purpose of skating the 147s lolExpand QuoteHow come you guys are changing the stock bushings on Thunders? I think they look and feel sick as fuck![close]
Any experience with shaving the top bushing down in this thread?
I was thinking about 1.5mm to 2mm shorter top bushing will get me the desired looseness without worrying about the kingpin bolt coming off.
What’s a good technique for this kind of bushing surgery? Or just buy short tops?
Any experience with shaving the top bushing down in this thread?
I was thinking about 1.5mm to 2mm shorter top bushing will get me the desired looseness without worrying about the kingpin bolt coming off.
What’s a good technique for this kind of bushing surgery? Or just buy short tops?
Lights vs hollow lights vs titaniums?
how big is the difference?
How does the weight compare to indy titaniums?
Lights vs hollow lights vs titaniums?
how big is the difference?
How does the weight compare to indy titaniums?
Expand QuoteLights vs hollow lights vs titaniums?
how big is the difference?
How does the weight compare to indy titaniums?[close]
Titanium Lights are right at 300g and Indy Forged Ti are around 330g depending on size. Thunder Hollow Lights range from 325-330 depending on size.
They all feel too light to me personally.
Expand QuoteLights vs hollow lights vs titaniums?
how big is the difference?
How does the weight compare to indy titaniums?[close]
I skated all three variants of Thunders 147s.
Weights for one truck are :
- Lights, around 315g
- Hollow Lights around 300g
- Titanium Lights around 287g
If you compare them to Indy trucks of the same size and characteristics, Indy trucks are noticeable heavier at first.
After session or two you won't notice difference any more.
Haven't people always said the forged and/or hollow stuff was made in china? So that would be a pretty sick change from china to mexico.
Just bought some 148 team hollow raws and they weight about 337g. I couldn't find the weight on these anywhere so figured I would post it here.
Currently on 147 lights and wanted to size up to 8.25"/8.38" boards. Hopefully the height doesn't take too long to get used to.
Expand QuoteJust bought some 148 team hollow raws and they weight about 337g. I couldn't find the weight on these anywhere so figured I would post it here.
Currently on 147 lights and wanted to size up to 8.25"/8.38" boards. Hopefully the height doesn't take too long to get used to.[close]
I made the opposite move lol. Went from 148 team hollow on 8.25-8.38 to 147 lights on 8-8.125. Just set them up on a 8.06 true fit
Think I'm going to get some 161s finally. Been feeling Thunder more than Ace since returning to skateboarding after a forced break, which is interesting.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust bought some 148 team hollow raws and they weight about 337g. I couldn't find the weight on these anywhere so figured I would post it here.
Currently on 147 lights and wanted to size up to 8.25"/8.38" boards. Hopefully the height doesn't take too long to get used to.[close]
I made the opposite move lol. Went from 148 team hollow on 8.25-8.38 to 147 lights on 8-8.125. Just set them up on a 8.06 true fit[close]
I've been having a harder time finding 8-8.125 BBS decks lately where as 8.25-8.38 is everywhere with some nice graphics and twin tail options too. The extra height helps as well since I like 54mm wheels. What made you switch?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust bought some 148 team hollow raws and they weight about 337g. I couldn't find the weight on these anywhere so figured I would post it here.
Currently on 147 lights and wanted to size up to 8.25"/8.38" boards. Hopefully the height doesn't take too long to get used to.[close]
I made the opposite move lol. Went from 148 team hollow on 8.25-8.38 to 147 lights on 8-8.125. Just set them up on a 8.06 true fit[close]
I've been having a harder time finding 8-8.125 BBS decks lately where as 8.25-8.38 is everywhere with some nice graphics and twin tail options too. The extra height helps as well since I like 54mm wheels. What made you switch?
never rode Thunders, but for 30 bucks a set with free shipping...it might be the time to try them out....really good deal.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Thunder_Chris_Athans_Stamped_Pro_Trucks/descpage-TUCAPTR.html
How often does DLX release the 181s? I want to be ready for the next Beamer drop, but the largest I've seen has been 161s.
Is it just me who's had bad time with Thunder the past years? Turns out my axle is bent. Little over a year old trucks, tho not much used. Last two pairs I broke the kingpindid you bend the hollow axle or standard?
Standards. Aint got no hollow stuff here... Too riskyi bent some bryan herman hollows before but that was about 8 years ago, not had any problems since then
Curious what WB Thunder riders around here usually like. Also wondering if anyone has switched from Indys or Aces to Thunders and if they adjusted their usual WB to a shorter one, or if they kept riding the same WB as before.I ride 14-14.25 with Thunders. I got an Antihero with a 14.5 inch WB and that did not work well with my Thunder standards. I've also found the steepness of the kicks to be a factor (at least with the forged baseplates). During the Black Friday sales I bought a few boards with a 14.25 WB that had pretty steep kicks and I didn't like the boards with the extended WB of the forged baseplates. I just bought some Ace classics for cheap to see if that can alleviate steepness issue so I don't have to sell/give away the boards.
I usually ride a 14.25 WB with Indys, so trying to figure out if I should stick to that if I try Thunders, or go to a 14 WB.
I've ridden as low as 14.125 and up to 14.5 just fine with Thunder cast. My normal is 14.38. I don't feel Thunder are as sensitive to wheelbase as a Venture since the pop is lighter to begin with. I think WB is less and less of a factor with many Indy and Thunder variants since they're a close middle ground whereas Ace and Venture are at extreme ends of the spectrum.
I feel like a fucking idiot but…
I have stripped 3 fucking Thunder kingpins back to back and I genuinely don’t think they should have stripped out. Is this all caused because I use the included washer from my bones bushings or what is going on? As Mugatu once said, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
Expand QuoteI've ridden as low as 14.125 and up to 14.5 just fine with Thunder cast. My normal is 14.38. I don't feel Thunder are as sensitive to wheelbase as a Venture since the pop is lighter to begin with. I think WB is less and less of a factor with many Indy and Thunder variants since they're a close middle ground whereas Ace and Venture are at extreme ends of the spectrum.[close]
i agree with this.
thunders just seem to ‘work’ for me, in general. i don’t need to be fussy. or another way, if a setup doesn’t work, when i’m using thunders (can’t think of any off of the top but i’m sure it’s probably happened to me before, probably some ridiculous steep ass fa bullshit), then i know it’s not the trucks.
Expand QuoteI feel like a fucking idiot but…
I have stripped 3 fucking Thunder kingpins back to back and I genuinely don’t think they should have stripped out. Is this all caused because I use the included washer from my bones bushings or what is going on? As Mugatu once said, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.[close]
Hollow kingpins?
Seen a lot more hollow kingpins have issues, but I know any kingpin can strip for various reasons.
One of the guys I skate with went through a tighter truck phase and he would try to tighten the bones bushings down that would then rebound in such a way that would push the kingpin nut off the kingpin from the forces of doing tricks.
And no it shouldn't be happening, but some things like that example above do have adverse affects on product, that would not usually happen in other situations.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like a fucking idiot but…
I have stripped 3 fucking Thunder kingpins back to back and I genuinely don’t think they should have stripped out. Is this all caused because I use the included washer from my bones bushings or what is going on? As Mugatu once said, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.[close]
Hollow kingpins?
Seen a lot more hollow kingpins have issues, but I know any kingpin can strip for various reasons.
One of the guys I skate with went through a tighter truck phase and he would try to tighten the bones bushings down that would then rebound in such a way that would push the kingpin nut off the kingpin from the forces of doing tricks.
And no it shouldn't be happening, but some things like that example above do have adverse affects on product, that would not usually happen in other situations.[close]
Hollow kingpins yes. I skate the hard bushings but I had them basically flush. Took em apart to throw a bones medium and a bones hard together and then it wouldn’t go back on
That could have happened for sure. I drove to the closest hardware store from the park and bought a wrench, which somehow bent the nut a little bit too. My alternate theory was that maybe the nuts are being made much much cheaper or with soft aluminum, but, it’s not like it was in the 90’s or 100’s yesterday. I dunno. I’m losing my mind.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like a fucking idiot but…
I have stripped 3 fucking Thunder kingpins back to back and I genuinely don’t think they should have stripped out. Is this all caused because I use the included washer from my bones bushings or what is going on? As Mugatu once said, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.[close]
Hollow kingpins?
Seen a lot more hollow kingpins have issues, but I know any kingpin can strip for various reasons.
One of the guys I skate with went through a tighter truck phase and he would try to tighten the bones bushings down that would then rebound in such a way that would push the kingpin nut off the kingpin from the forces of doing tricks.
And no it shouldn't be happening, but some things like that example above do have adverse affects on product, that would not usually happen in other situations.[close]
Hollow kingpins yes. I skate the hard bushings but I had them basically flush. Took em apart to throw a bones medium and a bones hard together and then it wouldn’t go back on[close]
Maybe you cross threaded on accident last time you put your kp nut on?
could easily see that happening if your kp had been ground down a bit already, damaging the top threads.
Lol my friend told me that in his area of Texas, people say using Thunders is "Cheating" because it makes tricks too easy ;D ;D ;D
Got to the axel on my team hollows, towards the end I started getting some axel slip and also blew through bushings and pivot cups like crazy.
Time to go back to just the Thunder standards and see if they will give me less issues. What crazy is I’m not a big slappy guy. Also don’t weigh a ton at 165lbs and down ride loose trucks but I was still breaking bushings and pivot cups every 2 weeks or so.
Anyone ride the riptide bushings? Might give them a shot in hopes they don’t disintegrate like the thunder or bones do. I’ve briefly tried a harder duro bushing on the board side but didn’t feel a noticeable enough difference to keep it like that, but I’m curious if anyone mixes and matches bushings with different duro’s and if they actually can feel it.
I did a comparison between Thunder, Indy, and Ace on like the dryest possible curb in front of my house.
The Thunder will not budge at all.
The indy grinded, but it was sticky.
The Ace went through basically no problem.
So Ace trucks definintely have a faster grind than anything else. If I put the tiniest bit of wax on it though, the Thunder grinds no problem. I would say when I do lock in on thunders, even on a 5050, it feels a lot more stable than those 2. I locked in a 5050 on a very square curb where both toeside wheels hugged the inside of the curb and it felt like I was just standing on flat. I just sat in that grind all the way until the curb ended like it was nothing.
Its possible the Thunders need to be worked in a bit more but I feel like that type of metal just doesnt grind as fast, and that's ok! you just need to wax it a bit more and it actually feels really awesome and solid.
The noseslide dragging thing kinda bugged me at first but I think it actually makes for a more solid, predictable noseslide!
Expand QuoteI did a comparison between Thunder, Indy, and Ace on like the dryest possible curb in front of my house.
The Thunder will not budge at all.
The indy grinded, but it was sticky.
The Ace went through basically no problem.
So Ace trucks definintely have a faster grind than anything else. If I put the tiniest bit of wax on it though, the Thunder grinds no problem. I would say when I do lock in on thunders, even on a 5050, it feels a lot more stable than those 2. I locked in a 5050 on a very square curb where both toeside wheels hugged the inside of the curb and it felt like I was just standing on flat. I just sat in that grind all the way until the curb ended like it was nothing.
Its possible the Thunders need to be worked in a bit more but I feel like that type of metal just doesnt grind as fast, and that's ok! you just need to wax it a bit more and it actually feels really awesome and solid.
The noseslide dragging thing kinda bugged me at first but I think it actually makes for a more solid, predictable noseslide![close]
Doesn’t ace notoriously have softer aluminum and are more likely to bend.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like a fucking idiot but…
I have stripped 3 fucking Thunder kingpins back to back and I genuinely don’t think they should have stripped out. Is this all caused because I use the included washer from my bones bushings or what is going on? As Mugatu once said, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.[close]
Hollow kingpins?
Seen a lot more hollow kingpins have issues, but I know any kingpin can strip for various reasons.
One of the guys I skate with went through a tighter truck phase and he would try to tighten the bones bushings down that would then rebound in such a way that would push the kingpin nut off the kingpin from the forces of doing tricks.
And no it shouldn't be happening, but some things like that example above do have adverse affects on product, that would not usually happen in other situations.[close]
Hollow kingpins yes. I skate the hard bushings but I had them basically flush. Took em apart to throw a bones medium and a bones hard together and then it wouldn’t go back on[close]
Maybe you cross threaded on accident last time you put your kp nut on?
could easily see that happening if your kp had been ground down a bit already, damaging the top threads.[close]
Bones hard bushings are good at putting so much pressure on the kingpin nut, whatever the quality of metal it may or may not be, so that it would push it off even half a thread, which then left metal on the kingpin itself and blunted the future efforts to remove and replace the nuts.
Expand QuoteGot to the axel on my team hollows, towards the end I started getting some axel slip and also blew through bushings and pivot cups like crazy.
Time to go back to just the Thunder standards and see if they will give me less issues. What crazy is I’m not a big slappy guy. Also don’t weigh a ton at 165lbs and down ride loose trucks but I was still breaking bushings and pivot cups every 2 weeks or so.
Anyone ride the riptide bushings? Might give them a shot in hopes they don’t disintegrate like the thunder or bones do. I’ve briefly tried a harder duro bushing on the board side but didn’t feel a noticeable enough difference to keep it like that, but I’m curious if anyone mixes and matches bushings with different duro’s and if they actually can feel it.[close]
The durometer scale isnt the most accurate thing from brand to brand.
I got some riptide bushings and they were much harder than indys of a similar duro.
Cant remember exactly which ones though.
I'd try ace hard bushings or indy hards and just cut/sand them to fit.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot to the axel on my team hollows, towards the end I started getting some axel slip and also blew through bushings and pivot cups like crazy.
Time to go back to just the Thunder standards and see if they will give me less issues. What crazy is I’m not a big slappy guy. Also don’t weigh a ton at 165lbs and down ride loose trucks but I was still breaking bushings and pivot cups every 2 weeks or so.
Anyone ride the riptide bushings? Might give them a shot in hopes they don’t disintegrate like the thunder or bones do. I’ve briefly tried a harder duro bushing on the board side but didn’t feel a noticeable enough difference to keep it like that, but I’m curious if anyone mixes and matches bushings with different duro’s and if they actually can feel it.[close]
The durometer scale isnt the most accurate thing from brand to brand.
I got some riptide bushings and they were much harder than indys of a similar duro.
Cant remember exactly which ones though.
I'd try ace hard bushings or indy hards and just cut/sand them to fit.[close]
Adding to this a durometer is just a small needle that measures hardness, but it cannot quantify rebound or how much urethane changes over time. With bike tires you will see tires of very similar hardness behave and roll completely different.
This has likely already been answered but are Thunder baseplates the same between sizes and interchangeable?
Its just the hangers that alter the height, correct?
I put some 148 hollow axles on some team base plates with the solid kingpins and I’m really liking them. I wish they made this style of truck. I usually don’t ride hollow trucks cause I like some weight to my board but this combo feels good and I got them for free from my friend
Expand QuoteI put some 148 hollow axles on some team base plates with the solid kingpins and I’m really liking them. I wish they made this style of truck. I usually don’t ride hollow trucks cause I like some weight to my board but this combo feels good and I got them for free from my friend[close]
I have something similar setup. 149 titanium hangers on standard baseplates. I like em a lot too. Doesn't sound as tinny when riding and the extra heft is kinda nice. Also not sure if there's anything to support this, but I notice I lock in a lot better on noseslides on standard plates. I actually see wear on my baseplates now.
Anyone with inside knowledge know when T2 are dropping? Been patiently waiting for over a year since o saw fairly finished prototypes and really curious to see if the supposed changes solve my few gripes about them.
The baseplate was more like the old style Thunder and looked slightly thicker, not sure if they altered the geo at all.
I saw (and skated for a morning) some prototypes a year and a half ago and was told they would be out in "6 months". That was a year after I first heard about them. The baseplate thing some people take an issue with was fixed, but the turn didn't really feel the same. They used the same hanger and it felt like a slower arc. Maybe that's why they were prototypes. At this point I'm not going to hold my breath on them coming out anytime soonExpand QuoteAnyone with inside knowledge know when T2 are dropping? Been patiently waiting for over a year since o saw fairly finished prototypes and really curious to see if the supposed changes solve my few gripes about them.
The baseplate was more like the old style Thunder and looked slightly thicker, not sure if they altered the geo at all.[close]
not to say things can't change but i've seen Thunder catalogs up to Fall drop 2 and there is no mention of this.
Got to the axel on my team hollows, towards the end I started getting some axel slip and also blew through bushings and pivot cups like crazy.
Time to go back to just the Thunder standards and see if they will give me less issues. What crazy is I’m not a big slappy guy. Also don’t weigh a ton at 165lbs and down ride loose trucks but I was still breaking bushings and pivot cups every 2 weeks or so.
Anyone ride the riptide bushings? Might give them a shot in hopes they don’t disintegrate like the thunder or bones do. I’ve briefly tried a harder duro bushing on the board side but didn’t feel a noticeable enough difference to keep it like that, but I’m curious if anyone mixes and matches bushings with different duro’s and if they actually can feel it.
These should be out in shops soon:
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Did you keep this secret for 1.5 years or did you share it back then? Slap must have gone crazy if you did.I saw (and skated for a morning) some prototypes a year and a half ago and was told they would be out in "6 months". That was a year after I first heard about them. The baseplate thing some people take an issue with was fixed, but the turn didn't really feel the same. They used the same hanger and it felt like a slower arc. Maybe that's why they were prototypes. At this point I'm not going to hold my breath on them coming out anytime soonExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone with inside knowledge know when T2 are dropping? Been patiently waiting for over a year since o saw fairly finished prototypes and really curious to see if the supposed changes solve my few gripes about them.
The baseplate was more like the old style Thunder and looked slightly thicker, not sure if they altered the geo at all.[close]
not to say things can't change but i've seen Thunder catalogs up to Fall drop 2 and there is no mention of this.[close]
I kept it a secret. Figured enough time has past that no one could get singled out for letting me try them out. Who knows if they’ll ever actually get released. I think that Thunders are already the perfect perfect truck(for me) the way they are. I’d be down to try out the samples again if I could thoughDid you keep this secret for 1.5 years or did you share it back then? Slap must have gone crazy if you did.Expand QuoteI saw (and skated for a morning) some prototypes a year and a half ago and was told they would be out in "6 months". That was a year after I first heard about them. The baseplate thing some people take an issue with was fixed, but the turn didn't really feel the same. They used the same hanger and it felt like a slower arc. Maybe that's why they were prototypes. At this point I'm not going to hold my breath on them coming out anytime soonExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone with inside knowledge know when T2 are dropping? Been patiently waiting for over a year since o saw fairly finished prototypes and really curious to see if the supposed changes solve my few gripes about them.
The baseplate was more like the old style Thunder and looked slightly thicker, not sure if they altered the geo at all.[close]
not to say things can't change but i've seen Thunder catalogs up to Fall drop 2 and there is no mention of this.[close][close]
Expand QuoteThese should be out in shops soon:
(https://thundertrucks.com/catalog/summer23/01-th-sum23-d1-silas.jpg)[close]
Usually not a fan of painted trucks but these really speak to me. Something about the texture of the baseplate with the clear bushings that’s doing it for me. Anyone know if that graphic is printed on the hanger or etched similar to the way Mason Silva’s Indy was?
I saw (and skated for a morning) some prototypes a year and a half ago and was told they would be out in "6 months". That was a year after I first heard about them. The baseplate thing some people take an issue with was fixed, but the turn didn't really feel the same. They used the same hanger and it felt like a slower arc. Maybe that's why they were prototypes. At this point I'm not going to hold my breath on them coming out anytime soonExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone with inside knowledge know when T2 are dropping? Been patiently waiting for over a year since o saw fairly finished prototypes and really curious to see if the supposed changes solve my few gripes about them.
The baseplate was more like the old style Thunder and looked slightly thicker, not sure if they altered the geo at all.[close]
not to say things can't change but i've seen Thunder catalogs up to Fall drop 2 and there is no mention of this.[close]
Expand QuoteI saw (and skated for a morning) some prototypes a year and a half ago and was told they would be out in "6 months". That was a year after I first heard about them. The baseplate thing some people take an issue with was fixed, but the turn didn't really feel the same. They used the same hanger and it felt like a slower arc. Maybe that's why they were prototypes. At this point I'm not going to hold my breath on them coming out anytime soonExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone with inside knowledge know when T2 are dropping? Been patiently waiting for over a year since o saw fairly finished prototypes and really curious to see if the supposed changes solve my few gripes about them.
The baseplate was more like the old style Thunder and looked slightly thicker, not sure if they altered the geo at all.[close]
not to say things can't change but i've seen Thunder catalogs up to Fall drop 2 and there is no mention of this.[close][close]
I wish they would make Thunders exactly the same, but with extended baseplates. I'm back on Indy right now and that's the only gripe I had with Thunders. This is definitely a skill issue, but I tend to dip my tailslides most of the time, and I can get away with it on Indys because of the baseplate while I stick like crazy on Thunders. Other than that, Thunders are the perfect trucks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI saw (and skated for a morning) some prototypes a year and a half ago and was told they would be out in "6 months". That was a year after I first heard about them. The baseplate thing some people take an issue with was fixed, but the turn didn't really feel the same. They used the same hanger and it felt like a slower arc. Maybe that's why they were prototypes. At this point I'm not going to hold my breath on them coming out anytime soonExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone with inside knowledge know when T2 are dropping? Been patiently waiting for over a year since o saw fairly finished prototypes and really curious to see if the supposed changes solve my few gripes about them.
The baseplate was more like the old style Thunder and looked slightly thicker, not sure if they altered the geo at all.[close]
not to say things can't change but i've seen Thunder catalogs up to Fall drop 2 and there is no mention of this.[close][close]
I wish they would make Thunders exactly the same, but with extended baseplates. I'm back on Indy right now and that's the only gripe I had with Thunders. This is definitely a skill issue, but I tend to dip my tailslides most of the time, and I can get away with it on Indys because of the baseplate while I stick like crazy on Thunders. Other than that, Thunders are the perfect trucks.[close]
More technique than skill? I have no idea why but I don't slide on my plates regardless of truck brand, it's not by choice, it's just how it happens and it's been like that for as long as I can remember. I guess I don't dip, but instead sit 'up' flat on the kick? Maybe it's all those yeas of riding thunders and just adapting over time.
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@rawbertson. you used to be able to choose polished or raw in the early aughts and I always felt that the raws would grind better and smoother. Almost like the raw metal felt softer on grinds than polished. Could’ve been placebo but I did think it felt different.the raws actually seem softer and stick more for me when brand new but after they grind down it's the same
the raws actually seem softer and stick more for me when brand new but after they grind down it's the sameExpand Quote@rawbertson. you used to be able to choose polished or raw in the early aughts and I always felt that the raws would grind better and smoother. Almost like the raw metal felt softer on grinds than polished. Could’ve been placebo but I did think it felt different.[close]
I put some 148 hollow axles on some team base plates with the solid kingpins and I’m really liking them. I wish they made this style of truck. I usually don’t ride hollow trucks cause I like some weight to my board but this combo feels good and I got them for free from my friend
There is no way there is a difference. It is the exact same forging process, polished are just that- polished to make the outer surface smoother. It does not change the structure of the truck a single bit.
the guy mariano customs are team hollows and easy to find and you can get them in 148/149 they just look a bit ugly vs rawsExpand QuoteI put some 148 hollow axles on some team base plates with the solid kingpins and I’m really liking them. I wish they made this style of truck. I usually don’t ride hollow trucks cause I like some weight to my board but this combo feels good and I got them for free from my friend[close]
Team Hollows are the truck but they're pretty hard to come by.....
why do you say chrystie pits lol
There is no way there is a difference. It is the exact same forging process, polished are just that- polished to make the outer surface smoother. It does not change the structure of the truck a single bit.
Anyone running REAL wooden risers? I just added these to my setup with Thunders to be able to run big(ger) wheels without getting pitched from wheelbite and I'm really loving it so far.
My question would be how long do they last? Do they last the whole lifetime of the trucks or am I gonna have to swap them for new ones often? I do a lot of noseslides and tailslides so I'd like to know if they blow out I'm gonna get a few spare sets. Otherwise I'd just buy a new set whenever I get new trucks...
Thanks!
Wasn't sure where to post this question, so double posting. Sorry for flooding the boards ::)They'll last just as long as any other (hard) risers last you. I've skated mine for a few months right when they came out and had them on my cruiser ever since. Still perfectly fine, noseslides didn't blow them out, just wear away a tiny bit without any delamination or something.Expand QuoteAnyone running REAL wooden risers? I just added these to my setup with Thunders to be able to run big(ger) wheels without getting pitched from wheelbite and I'm really loving it so far.
My question would be how long do they last? Do they last the whole lifetime of the trucks or am I gonna have to swap them for new ones often? I do a lot of noseslides and tailslides so I'd like to know if they blow out I'm gonna get a few spare sets. Otherwise I'd just buy a new set whenever I get new trucks...
Thanks![close]
Wasn't sure where to post this question, so double posting. Sorry for flooding the boards ::)Expand QuoteAnyone running REAL wooden risers? I just added these to my setup with Thunders to be able to run big(ger) wheels without getting pitched from wheelbite and I'm really loving it so far.
My question would be how long do they last? Do they last the whole lifetime of the trucks or am I gonna have to swap them for new ones often? I do a lot of noseslides and tailslides so I'd like to know if they blow out I'm gonna get a few spare sets. Otherwise I'd just buy a new set whenever I get new trucks...
Thanks![close]
I have some polished 151s (just like the ones super cheap in the Z sale section right now incidentally) and I'm tempted to rock them on 8.5 decks. Anyone in here have issues with 151 vs 149 when it comes to flipping or 180s or anything else? I bought them thinking 151 was for 8.5 without double checking the size guidei always prefer 151s on 8.5s they fit perfectly 149s have a bit of magic carpet on 8.5 depending on what wheels you have, i doubt you would notice much difference with flip tricks just more room for grinds imo
I'm rocking Indy 149s on my main set up but a second set up with Thunders to explore them again after nearly 13 years of continuous Indy riding sounds appealing haha
Team hollows have a hollow kingpin which is not what YeoWhattup has. Thunder doesn't make a truck with a solid kingpin and hollow axle. Gotta DIY it.Expand QuoteI put some 148 hollow axles on some team base plates with the solid kingpins and I’m really liking them. I wish they made this style of truck. I usually don’t ride hollow trucks cause I like some weight to my board but this combo feels good and I got them for free from my friend[close]
Team Hollows are the truck but they're pretty hard to come by.....
team baseplate, hollow kingpin and titanium axle is the best comboTeam hollows have a hollow kingpin which is not what YeoWhattup has. Thunder doesn't make a truck with a solid kingpin and hollow axle. Gotta DIY it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI put some 148 hollow axles on some team base plates with the solid kingpins and I’m really liking them. I wish they made this style of truck. I usually don’t ride hollow trucks cause I like some weight to my board but this combo feels good and I got them for free from my friend[close]
Team Hollows are the truck but they're pretty hard to come by.....[close]
That's a good one, I skated it a bit over the winter. Now on stock Ti's and have mostly been messing with bushings. Rocked venom 91a conical bottoms for a bit, now back on Ace low barrel bottoms. Also used Royal bottoms and Krux bottoms which are similar to Thunder's stock height.team baseplate, hollow kingpin and titanium axle is the best comboExpand QuoteTeam hollows have a hollow kingpin which is not what YeoWhattup has. Thunder doesn't make a truck with a solid kingpin and hollow axle. Gotta DIY it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI put some 148 hollow axles on some team base plates with the solid kingpins and I’m really liking them. I wish they made this style of truck. I usually don’t ride hollow trucks cause I like some weight to my board but this combo feels good and I got them for free from my friend[close]
Team Hollows are the truck but they're pretty hard to come by.....[close][close]
i always prefer 151s on 8.5s they fit perfectly 149s have a bit of magic carpet on 8.5 depending on what wheels you have, i doubt you would notice much difference with flip tricks just more room for grinds imoExpand QuoteI have some polished 151s (just like the ones super cheap in the Z sale section right now incidentally) and I'm tempted to rock them on 8.5 decks. Anyone in here have issues with 151 vs 149 when it comes to flipping or 180s or anything else? I bought them thinking 151 was for 8.5 without double checking the size guide
I'm rocking Indy 149s on my main set up but a second set up with Thunders to explore them again after nearly 13 years of continuous Indy riding sounds appealing haha[close]
Expand Quotei always prefer 151s on 8.5s they fit perfectly 149s have a bit of magic carpet on 8.5 depending on what wheels you have, i doubt you would notice much difference with flip tricks just more room for grinds imoExpand QuoteI have some polished 151s (just like the ones super cheap in the Z sale section right now incidentally) and I'm tempted to rock them on 8.5 decks. Anyone in here have issues with 151 vs 149 when it comes to flipping or 180s or anything else? I bought them thinking 151 was for 8.5 without double checking the size guide
I'm rocking Indy 149s on my main set up but a second set up with Thunders to explore them again after nearly 13 years of continuous Indy riding sounds appealing haha[close][close]
Appreciate the reply! I'm usually on Conical or Conical Full F4 53mm so if it's like you're describing, I think I'll be pleased to try em out
I scrape my plates on Thunders and sit on the kicks a lot while sliding. If I don't remember that it can be stick city sometimes, but as long as the ledge has wax on the side it's usually not a big deal. Super angled park coping drags the most.
As for the bushing issues I never had any until my current set and they have sucked. The white bushings cracked super fast and washers bent like crazy. DLX said they used a different hardware supplier for a bit and sent washers and bushies. Washers were fine. In a year I've cracked 4 bottoms and 5 tops. Usually it's not a huge deal but if I do a lot of slappies my top bushing on my front truck will just split in 2. A few friends on Thunders have had just as bad of luck with bushings crumbling and that was one of Ben D's complaints in his review.
I got the 94D and hated them. Never got any looser and board did not feel fun to skate or even carve on. At this point if I fuck up another set in probably done with em for a while.
IMO the Indy grind is slightly better, maybe, so I dunno why you'd go down the Frankenstein rabbit hole for that reason.Pinch, back side lock in, and switch ghost pop are why. I can't seem to lock into my regular crooks as well as sw crooks on Indys. I constantly find myself slipping out of non rotated crook tricks and it's starting to really frustrate me. Also bs 50s only work right if I go slow on indys.
Pinch, back side lock in, and switch ghost pop are why. I can't seem to lock into my regular crooks as well as sw crooks on Indys. I constantly find myself slipping out of non rotated crook tricks and it's starting to really frustrate me. Also bs 50s only work right if I go slow on indys.Expand QuoteIMO the Indy grind is slightly better, maybe, so I dunno why you'd go down the Frankenstein rabbit hole for that reason.[close]
Pinch, back side lock in, and switch ghost pop are why. I can't seem to lock into my regular crooks as well as sw crooks on Indys. I constantly find myself slipping out of non rotated crook tricks and it's starting to really frustrate me. Also bs 50s only work right if I go slow on indys.Expand QuoteIMO the Indy grind is slightly better, maybe, so I dunno why you'd go down the Frankenstein rabbit hole for that reason.[close]
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Another tasteful colorway.
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Expand QuotePinch, back side lock in, and switch ghost pop are why. I can't seem to lock into my regular crooks as well as sw crooks on Indys. I constantly find myself slipping out of non rotated crook tricks and it's starting to really frustrate me. Also bs 50s only work right if I go slow on indys.Expand QuoteIMO the Indy grind is slightly better, maybe, so I dunno why you'd go down the Frankenstein rabbit hole for that reason.[close][close]
You just need to improve at skateboarding. I used to think there were large differences and this and that but honestly over time I noticed it less and less. I'm not that good and can make both of those trucks, Indy standards, and Ventures pinch the same after about 3 grinds when I figure out the slight differences in weight distribution.
Yah, that was a rude comment but comes from the right place. I definitely overthought specific tricks with specific trucks and over time have realized that there might be minor differences in technique with each truck but one can learn an adapt. It just comes with patience and practice.
lol but they hardly turn in the first place? they want them even tighter? :o
Anyone have some 148 team titanium’s?
lol but they hardly turn in the first place? they want them even tighter? :o
Everyone I know that changes bushings in Thunder goes harder or to Bones.
Expand QuoteAnyone have some 148 team titanium’s?[close]
the cast plate titanium’s? i don't think make those anymore or have in a long awhile. team hollows, yeah.
To you guys who like to change the bushings...
I am guessing in general most cases, you are going to softer ones to improve the turning?
Don't you lose a lot of the stability when you do that, and also increase the wheelbite factor? I feel like it almost defeats the purpose of what the trucks were intended to do. But of course you still get the geometry / height so your pop would still work...
Expand QuoteTo you guys who like to change the bushings...
I am guessing in general most cases, you are going to softer ones to improve the turning?
Don't you lose a lot of the stability when you do that, and also increase the wheelbite factor? I feel like it almost defeats the purpose of what the trucks were intended to do. But of course you still get the geometry / height so your pop would still work...[close]
Most of the time when I have had to change to softer bushings, it is for kids or very light weight skaters who would need softer bushings on any truck.
Others I skate with have used the black rebuild kit - supposedly 100 duro but they still feel like they give a lot more than other 99 to 100 duro bushings once worn in and the adult size and weight bodies who skate them often still have wheelbite, mkore often than not.
I have stock bushings in the trucks I have setup but I also found that from new the bushings are way more mushy and once they firm up after a while, they feel more "normal" to me.
One guy I skate with who uses Thunder among other brands of truck will always switch out the bushings to the 94 or 95 duro rebuild kit or the tube, depending on what he can get his hands on and prefers that sort of stability for his setups, using similar duro bushings on other brand trucks too.
Gotta say though, I always find I need at least a couple of extra mm in height on the Team editions, so I have cut up some 2 mm rubber sheeting and made my own risers, which I find work very well with medium sized wheels - around 54 mm give or take a mm or two - on stock bushings but that is just me.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTo you guys who like to change the bushings...
I am guessing in general most cases, you are going to softer ones to improve the turning?
Don't you lose a lot of the stability when you do that, and also increase the wheelbite factor? I feel like it almost defeats the purpose of what the trucks were intended to do. But of course you still get the geometry / height so your pop would still work...[close]
Most of the time when I have had to change to softer bushings, it is for kids or very light weight skaters who would need softer bushings on any truck.
Others I skate with have used the black rebuild kit - supposedly 100 duro but they still feel like they give a lot more than other 99 to 100 duro bushings once worn in and the adult size and weight bodies who skate them often still have wheelbite, mkore often than not.
I have stock bushings in the trucks I have setup but I also found that from new the bushings are way more mushy and once they firm up after a while, they feel more "normal" to me.
One guy I skate with who uses Thunder among other brands of truck will always switch out the bushings to the 94 or 95 duro rebuild kit or the tube, depending on what he can get his hands on and prefers that sort of stability for his setups, using similar duro bushings on other brand trucks too.
Gotta say though, I always find I need at least a couple of extra mm in height on the Team editions, so I have cut up some 2 mm rubber sheeting and made my own risers, which I find work very well with medium sized wheels - around 54 mm give or take a mm or two - on stock bushings but that is just me.[close]
I got 151s that I wanna set up at some point soon. If the stock bushings don't work and I'm looking for the Thunders to give me turning comparable to my medium loose Indy Hollow standards, what bushings might fill that need?
Should I go slightly harder but keep the nut super loose (1 thread max) or dabble in the slightly looser bushing territory but crank down a thread or two? Obviously I'll try the stock and get a baseline first.
FYI I'm 5'10 and ~ 192lbs. I use the orange conical on Indy.
Appreciate any feedback before plunging back into Thunder after 12+ years
Seems like a lot of guys who change the bushings weigh quite a bit more than me. So that seems to make sense now why people would do that. I am only 160 lbs. I just left the tightness how it came which was basically no threads showing on both, just flush. At first it felt pretty tight, but now I am almost 2 months in and the bushings have loosened up a little bit and the turning is a tiny bit better.
I have a few small wheelbite marks on the board but i dont remember ever actually sticking on the wheel upon landing, I am also riding 51mm classics. I put a sticker over one of the spots and I remember hearing it squeak when I pinched a crooked grind once.
I personally love the slightly lower height as well. If I wanted to ride a higher truck that turned more, I would just ride an Indy, Ace, or Slappy - but i dont want to shit on how anyone rides their trucks! You guys do what you feel is right! I think I understand better now why people are making these choices though. I would guess most trucks were probably more designed for someone of my weight or lighter in mind... so thats why I am fine with the stock settings.
I’m going to surmise there are a gross number of people who all this shit works perfectly for, and they do not come onto message boards…….Yeah they're basically perfect for everybody with a slightly below to slightly above average body I'd say.
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This roster’s going to be a problem this season. ⚡️
Expand QuoteSeems like a lot of guys who change the bushings weigh quite a bit more than me. So that seems to make sense now why people would do that. I am only 160 lbs. I just left the tightness how it came which was basically no threads showing on both, just flush. At first it felt pretty tight, but now I am almost 2 months in and the bushings have loosened up a little bit and the turning is a tiny bit better.
I have a few small wheelbite marks on the board but i dont remember ever actually sticking on the wheel upon landing, I am also riding 51mm classics. I put a sticker over one of the spots and I remember hearing it squeak when I pinched a crooked grind once.
I personally love the slightly lower height as well. If I wanted to ride a higher truck that turned more, I would just ride an Indy, Ace, or Slappy - but i dont want to shit on how anyone rides their trucks! You guys do what you feel is right! I think I understand better now why people are making these choices though. I would guess most trucks were probably more designed for someone of my weight or lighter in mind... so thats why I am fine with the stock settings.[close]
I am 6 foot 3 and 162. I use stock Thunder bushings and in Indy use blue cylinders. I get plenty of wheelbite on both. One thing to remember is Thunder bushings are notably temp sensitive.
BTW do Indy blue conical fit in Thunders?
my front pivot cup got torn up somehow, which usually never happens. anyway, looking for a quick fix as i don’t have spare thunder pivot cups, i used a pivot cup from a set of ace af1’s i don’t skate anymore. replaced the front pivot cup with ace pivots. everything is thunder except for the front pivot cup.
had my second day with this quick “modification” and i can definitely say that the turn, even with just one replacement pivot cup, has positively changed. i get deeper turns, bs crooks pinch right into place, etc.
one thing i did find though is that no matter how much i tighten down the bushings, it still has a deeper turn on the front truck compared to if i was still running the thunder pivot cup.
the ace pivot cup fits fairly alright in the baseplate with just a little bit of it sticking out. however, the pivot cup itself is too wide for the thunder hangar and i notice a bit of play/wiggle when i move them with my hands. not a perfect fit, but fits good enough for now.
to my surprise, i actually like it.
just a little bit less stable, but so much more carvy.
on team hollow lights btw, the ones with the cast baseplate.
I'm 135 pounds and have to ride thunders finger tight in order to turn. Might start shaving the top bushings
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTo you guys who like to change the bushings...
I am guessing in general most cases, you are going to softer ones to improve the turning?
Don't you lose a lot of the stability when you do that, and also increase the wheelbite factor? I feel like it almost defeats the purpose of what the trucks were intended to do. But of course you still get the geometry / height so your pop would still work...[close][close]
Appreciate any feedback before plunging back into Thunder after 12+ years[close]
Try them stock. I'm a bit heavier than you and always use stock bushings on my 151s. I add risers to make them turn een deeper and even quicker. I mostly ride Ace but always have a set of 151s hanging around and can go back and fore without too much bother.
Expand Quotemy front pivot cup got torn up somehow, which usually never happens. anyway, looking for a quick fix as i don’t have spare thunder pivot cups, i used a pivot cup from a set of ace af1’s i don’t skate anymore. replaced the front pivot cup with ace pivots. everything is thunder except for the front pivot cup.
had my second day with this quick “modification” and i can definitely say that the turn, even with just one replacement pivot cup, has positively changed. i get deeper turns, bs crooks pinch right into place, etc.
one thing i did find though is that no matter how much i tighten down the bushings, it still has a deeper turn on the front truck compared to if i was still running the thunder pivot cup.
the ace pivot cup fits fairly alright in the baseplate with just a little bit of it sticking out. however, the pivot cup itself is too wide for the thunder hangar and i notice a bit of play/wiggle when i move them with my hands. not a perfect fit, but fits good enough for now.
to my surprise, i actually like it.
just a little bit less stable, but so much more carvy.
on team hollow lights btw, the ones with the cast baseplate.[close]
Yo I did the exact same thing yesterday with my front pivot! Went to replace it and found a loose cup in my spares box and didn’t realise it had fallen out of a af1 baseplate I had lying in there. Chucked it in my front 151 teams and, voila! carving around like a madman now. But seriously, noticed a bit more turn, looser for sure, feels like riptides in thunders which I reckon if you run risers gets pretty close to ace levels of carve.
What washers are supposed to be on the top of thunders? I have a set of thunders that I got second hand so I have no idea what bushings or washers are on there but I'm getting some washer bite on the hanger from the top washers and that don't seem right.My stock thunders look the same. It's normal, but I need to pinch really hard to get there (crooks)
It also might explain why I like these trucks less than my others. They seem stiff and don't seem to turn very well and maybe that's because they're not able to lean as far as they could if I had the right washer on there, maybe??
https://imgur.com/lj6yzRg
Anyone using thunders for transition? Using 96a bushings, Already tried indys but when you crank them down they stop turning at all, aces with the same bushings feels stable at first but way to surfy going fast. Considering that I want a stable truck that carve a little but above all still stable with harder bushings, does thunder checks that list?
Anyone using thunders for transition? Using 96a bushings, Already tried indys but when you crank them down they stop turning at all, aces with the same bushings feels stable at first but way to surfy going fast. Considering that I want a stable truck that carve a little but above all still stable with harder bushings, does thunder checks that list?That doesn't sound like thunders at all. You might want to try ventures instead.
What washers are supposed to be on the top of thunders? I have a set of thunders that I got second hand so I have no idea what bushings or washers are on there but I'm getting some washer bite on the hanger from the top washers and that don't seem right.
It also might explain why I like these trucks less than my others. They seem stiff and don't seem to turn very well and maybe that's because they're not able to lean as far as they could if I had the right washer on there, maybe??
https://imgur.com/lj6yzRg
That doesn't sound like thunders at all. You might want to try ventures instead.Expand QuoteAnyone using thunders for transition? Using 96a bushings, Already tried indys but when you crank them down they stop turning at all, aces with the same bushings feels stable at first but way to surfy going fast. Considering that I want a stable truck that carve a little but above all still stable with harder bushings, does thunder checks that list?[close]
What washers are supposed to be on the top of thunders? I have a set of thunders that I got second hand so I have no idea what bushings or washers are on there but I'm getting some washer bite on the hanger from the top washers and that don't seem right.
It also might explain why I like these trucks less than my others. They seem stiff and don't seem to turn very well and maybe that's because they're not able to lean as far as they could if I had the right washer on there, maybe??
What washers are supposed to be on the top of thunders? I have a set of thunders that I got second hand so I have no idea what bushings or washers are on there but I'm getting some washer bite on the hanger from the top washers and that don't seem right.
It also might explain why I like these trucks less than my others. They seem stiff and don't seem to turn very well and maybe that's because they're not able to lean as far as they could if I had the right washer on there, maybe??
Expand QuoteWhat washers are supposed to be on the top of thunders? I have a set of thunders that I got second hand so I have no idea what bushings or washers are on there but I'm getting some washer bite on the hanger from the top washers and that don't seem right.
It also might explain why I like these trucks less than my others. They seem stiff and don't seem to turn very well and maybe that's because they're not able to lean as far as they could if I had the right washer on there, maybe??[close]
Those might be the stock washers. It's supposed to do that so you get less wheelbite. If you're heavy enough, the washers eventually bend and allow the truck to turn a bit more.
Those might be the stock washers. It's supposed to do that so you get less wheelbite. If you're heavy enough, the washers eventually bend and allow the truck to turn a bit more.
It is by design- Thunder, Venture, Slappy, Theeve, and even Krux do it. It can't not happen and still occasionally does on certain Indy's even.
The shitty part about Thunder and Venture is it does it so hard it kills your shitty bushings
Unfortunately my favorite are the stock onesWell, the local shop only had independent 90 durometer double cone bushings so I went with orange independent cone bottom and blue tops sort of like the ace regular bushing setup except for the shape.
Thunder std148 on real 1/8 risers (thunder version)good stuff. this is always the goal, riding trucks stock bushings, nut flush and finding that nice feel. hso you weighed 165 the whole time on em? Always been curious about thunders with risers, as I weigh more (205 ish) and the wheelbite thing was real with them. What size wheels?
Im honestly very surprised on how well thunder standards feel on wooden risers compared to indy hollow 144 stds.
I need a 55mm height truck but have never ran thunders with risers even tho they were my first trucks 10 years ago
They turn 90% as well as indys but actually give me much needed precision on a lot of grinds and manuals. I also prefer the way normal trucks sound compared to hollow ones, and the thunders weigh pretty much the same as the hollow indy 144 stds.
This is the first time that thunder bushings haven’t cracked on me and i’m 6’1 165 ( granted I was pushing 240 at one point)
I’m glad that I don’t have to do any frakensteining on the thunder bushings and can ride them with the nut flush
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Anyone using thunders for transition?
Zion and Ishod ride Thunders.Expand QuoteAnyone using thunders for transition?[close]
Mitchie Brusco rides Thunder 151s on Mega Ramp + Vert... so that tells me that Thunders are an excellent truck for Stability when it comes to transition skating. I am finding them a lot easier to do mini ramp / quarter pipe skating on personally. For someone who is not as strong on transition.
What you don't see typically is pool / "Park" contest skaters riding Thunders. I don't see any reason it couldn't work for that type of skating, but I feel like those type of skaters want a very surfy feel. most of them are Indy riders because they have the market kinda cornered on that type of skating, but I see Ace riders like Ronnie Sandoval who make the trucks look amazing in park.
Chris Miller, Rick McCrank, Jon Fitzgerald skates Thunders and they all rip transition
Expand QuoteExpand Quotemy front pivot cup got torn up somehow, which usually never happens. anyway, looking for a quick fix as i don’t have spare thunder pivot cups, i used a pivot cup from a set of ace af1’s i don’t skate anymore. replaced the front pivot cup with ace pivots. everything is thunder except for the front pivot cup.
had my second day with this quick “modification” and i can definitely say that the turn, even with just one replacement pivot cup, has positively changed. i get deeper turns, bs crooks pinch right into place, etc.
one thing i did find though is that no matter how much i tighten down the bushings, it still has a deeper turn on the front truck compared to if i was still running the thunder pivot cup.
the ace pivot cup fits fairly alright in the baseplate with just a little bit of it sticking out. however, the pivot cup itself is too wide for the thunder hangar and i notice a bit of play/wiggle when i move them with my hands. not a perfect fit, but fits good enough for now.
to my surprise, i actually like it.
just a little bit less stable, but so much more carvy.
on team hollow lights btw, the ones with the cast baseplate.[close]
Yo I did the exact same thing yesterday with my front pivot! Went to replace it and found a loose cup in my spares box and didn’t realise it had fallen out of a af1 baseplate I had lying in there. Chucked it in my front 151 teams and, voila! carving around like a madman now. But seriously, noticed a bit more turn, looser for sure, feels like riptides in thunders which I reckon if you run risers gets pretty close to ace levels of carve.[close]
pretty amazing how just switching out one pivot cup, let alone the front truck pivot cup, can really change the feel of the truck. if they feel this different with just one pivot cup switched out, i wonder how much more with both 🤔
the only thing stopping me is i like the stability of thunders, i don’t wanna compromise that too much. oh and potentially warping the actual metal pivot itself on both trucks, too.
only time will tell if they actually do warp the metal. we shall see!
Zion and Ishod ride Thunders.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone using thunders for transition?[close]
Mitchie Brusco rides Thunder 151s on Mega Ramp + Vert... so that tells me that Thunders are an excellent truck for Stability when it comes to transition skating. I am finding them a lot easier to do mini ramp / quarter pipe skating on personally. For someone who is not as strong on transition.
What you don't see typically is pool / "Park" contest skaters riding Thunders. I don't see any reason it couldn't work for that type of skating, but I feel like those type of skaters want a very surfy feel. most of them are Indy riders because they have the market kinda cornered on that type of skating, but I see Ace riders like Ronnie Sandoval who make the trucks look amazing in park.
Chris Miller, Rick McCrank, Jon Fitzgerald skates Thunders and they all rip transition[close]
Not saying Ishod is strictly pool or park, but he can ride everything. Zion would be more the candidate I was thinking.
you can get more of a surfy feel by putting rounder edge wheels like classics on as well. the classic fulls would probably be ideal id think or a radial full even.
The only way I can see this working is that the skinnier the riding surface, the later the wheel bites. Same diameter conical full will bite (a tiny amount) earlier than a classic. Radial full makes no sense though.Expand Quoteyou can get more of a surfy feel by putting rounder edge wheels like classics on as well. the classic fulls would probably be ideal id think or a radial full even.[close]
I gotta say one thing I have never noticed from wheels is how surfy they make a turn. How is that even possible?
Bledsoe skates Burnside with Thunders as does Cody Lockwood.
it definitely makes an impact. for example, turning with conicals feels more rigid and less free compared to if you rode classics. im guessing it has to do with the contact patch. the wider the contact patch, the lesser the degree of range of motion. the thinner the contact patch, the higher the degree of range of motion. i probably sound a dumbass with the way i’m explaining it. but for me, the choice of wheels definitely makes a difference in how the turn feelsExpand Quoteyou can get more of a surfy feel by putting rounder edge wheels like classics on as well. the classic fulls would probably be ideal id think or a radial full even.[close]
I gotta say one thing I have never noticed from wheels is how surfy they make a turn. How is that even possible?
Ya I guess it doesn't add up mentally to me. Even if there is more contact patch turning is from the truck compressing the bushings and rebounding. Barring wheelbite at the end from a shape being wider, the wheel doesn't impact that. It's like saying and F1 car should turn slower because it has wider tires when the steering and suspension make them incredibly reactive.Yeah it doesn't make any sense. Maybe it still feels that way for some other reason, but the turning has to be the same
Zion and Ishod ride Thunders.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone using thunders for transition?[close]
Mitchie Brusco rides Thunder 151s on Mega Ramp + Vert... so that tells me that Thunders are an excellent truck for Stability when it comes to transition skating. I am finding them a lot easier to do mini ramp / quarter pipe skating on personally. For someone who is not as strong on transition.
What you don't see typically is pool / "Park" contest skaters riding Thunders. I don't see any reason it couldn't work for that type of skating, but I feel like those type of skaters want a very surfy feel. most of them are Indy riders because they have the market kinda cornered on that type of skating, but I see Ace riders like Ronnie Sandoval who make the trucks look amazing in park.
Chris Miller, Rick McCrank, Jon Fitzgerald skates Thunders and they all rip transition[close]
Not saying Ishod is strictly pool or park, but he can ride everything. Zion would be more the candidate I was thinking.
I have been 165-170 the whole time and I ride 54mm spitfire radialsgood stuff. this is always the goal, riding trucks stock bushings, nut flush and finding that nice feel. hso you weighed 165 the whole time on em? Always been curious about thunders with risers, as I weigh more (205 ish) and the wheelbite thing was real with them. What size wheels?Expand QuoteThunder std148 on real 1/8 risers (thunder version)
Im honestly very surprised on how well thunder standards feel on wooden risers compared to indy hollow 144 stds.
I need a 55mm height truck but have never ran thunders with risers even tho they were my first trucks 10 years ago
They turn 90% as well as indys but actually give me much needed precision on a lot of grinds and manuals. I also prefer the way normal trucks sound compared to hollow ones, and the thunders weigh pretty much the same as the hollow indy 144 stds.
This is the first time that thunder bushings haven’t cracked on me and i’m 6’1 165 ( granted I was pushing 240 at one point)
I’m glad that I don’t have to do any frakensteining on the thunder bushings and can ride them with the nut flush
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That's because the sidewall of a normal tire flexes due to its height, not necessarily its shape. Normal cars also have much softer suspension. The only skateboard parts that are flexible are the bushings and deck, the wheels do not deform and transfer load as a result. It defies physics to say that the wheel shape influences turning other than wheelbite or confidence.
That's because the sidewall of a normal tire flexes due to its height, not necessarily its shape. Normal cars also have much softer suspension. The only skateboard parts that are flexible are the bushings and deck, the wheels do not deform and transfer load as a result. It defies physics to say that the wheel shape influences turning other than wheelbite or confidence.depending on the durometer/shape wheels can certainly deform.
Ya I guess it doesn't add up mentally to me. Even if there is more contact patch turning is from the truck compressing the bushings and rebounding. Barring wheelbite at the end from a shape being wider, the wheel doesn't impact that. It's like saying and F1 car should turn slower because it has wider tires when the steering and suspension make them incredibly reactive.
I think it’s more like saying an F1 car has very rigid and precise turning *because* of its wide, blocky tires. Thinner tires with a rounder profile, like a normal car, are more floppy and flowy, throwing the weight of the car around a bit more. Obviously suspension plays a part there, but there’s a reason race tires are shaped like that.
All he’s getting at is the square edge and extra width of the fuller-shaped wheels gives you a little more leverage and stability vs. a classic shaped wheel, which effectively makes your trucks narrower due to the outer edge of the riding surfaces being slightly closer to center. Classic-type shapes feel more tippy to me as well. Easier to roll them over onto the shoulder, giving you a little more lean/swerve/movement than a comparable Conical or OG-type shape.
Jimmy Wilkins skates them. End of this discussion.Expand QuoteZion and Ishod ride Thunders.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone using thunders for transition?[close]
Mitchie Brusco rides Thunder 151s on Mega Ramp + Vert... so that tells me that Thunders are an excellent truck for Stability when it comes to transition skating. I am finding them a lot easier to do mini ramp / quarter pipe skating on personally. For someone who is not as strong on transition.
What you don't see typically is pool / "Park" contest skaters riding Thunders. I don't see any reason it couldn't work for that type of skating, but I feel like those type of skaters want a very surfy feel. most of them are Indy riders because they have the market kinda cornered on that type of skating, but I see Ace riders like Ronnie Sandoval who make the trucks look amazing in park.
Chris Miller, Rick McCrank, Jon Fitzgerald skates Thunders and they all rip transition[close]
Not saying Ishod is strictly pool or park, but he can ride everything. Zion would be more the candidate I was thinking.[close]
Chris Miller on Thunder is what made me interested in Thunder to start with. No regrets.
Expand QuoteYa I guess it doesn't add up mentally to me. Even if there is more contact patch turning is from the truck compressing the bushings and rebounding. Barring wheelbite at the end from a shape being wider, the wheel doesn't impact that. It's like saying and F1 car should turn slower because it has wider tires when the steering and suspension make them incredibly reactive.[close]
A better way for me to describe it is like, Thunders already feel really stable to me, so I can use a tippier wheel. i am less scared to use classics on these trucks.
vs. on Aces, I would rather use a fat wheel, because those trucks already feel really turny out the gate. I need a fat wheel to calm it down and make it feel more stable. they already turn good enough so i dont need to go up on the corners of the wheels as badly either.
Which wheel diameter leads to the best turning?
Stop making up new physics.
I'm actually gonna try it out tomorrow btw. Bones V3 vs fat worn down 57mm radials.
Edit: Just asked my mechanical engineer friend that skates and it 100% can not change the turning other than the wheelbite limit already discussed. Unless you are coconut wheeling of course.
I'm still interested in how it changes the feeling though
Jimmy Wilkins skates them. End of this discussion.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteZion and Ishod ride Thunders.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone using thunders for transition?[close]
Mitchie Brusco rides Thunder 151s on Mega Ramp + Vert... so that tells me that Thunders are an excellent truck for Stability when it comes to transition skating. I am finding them a lot easier to do mini ramp / quarter pipe skating on personally. For someone who is not as strong on transition.
What you don't see typically is pool / "Park" contest skaters riding Thunders. I don't see any reason it couldn't work for that type of skating, but I feel like those type of skaters want a very surfy feel. most of them are Indy riders because they have the market kinda cornered on that type of skating, but I see Ace riders like Ronnie Sandoval who make the trucks look amazing in park.
Chris Miller, Rick McCrank, Jon Fitzgerald skates Thunders and they all rip transition[close]
Not saying Ishod is strictly pool or park, but he can ride everything. Zion would be more the candidate I was thinking.[close]
Chris Miller on Thunder is what made me interested in Thunder to start with. No regrets.[close]
you can get more of a surfy feel by putting rounder edge wheels like classics on as well. the classic fulls would probably be ideal id think or a radial full even.
Yah I have a friend that is an engineer on an endurance Motorsports team and his response was "that is absolutely ridiculous"
I just have a low tolerance for bullshit and bro science, which this is. There is zero evidence that this could even be possible.
That is not why they sell different wheel shapes at all. Frankly this is getting boring and you're illustrating how little of an understanding you have of how a skateboard actually works.
I just have a low tolerance for bullshit and bro science, which this is. There is zero evidence that this could even be possible.please enlighten us on precisely why they sell different wheel shapes then, in full detail!
That is not why they sell different wheel shapes at all. Frankly this is getting boring and you're illustrating how little of an understanding you have of how a skateboard actually works.
I just have a low tolerance for bullshit and bro science, which this is. There is zero evidence that this could even be possible.
That is not why they sell different wheel shapes at all. Frankly this is getting boring and you're illustrating how little of an understanding you have of how a skateboard actually works.
please enlighten us on precisely why they sell different wheel shapes then, in full detail!Expand QuoteI just have a low tolerance for bullshit and bro science, which this is. There is zero evidence that this could even be possible.
That is not why they sell different wheel shapes at all. Frankly this is getting boring and you're illustrating how little of an understanding you have of how a skateboard actually works.[close]
please also illustrate to us your superior understanding of how a skateboard actually works
like holy fuck dude, get over yourself
get off your fucking high horse man
i’m so sirius rn >:( why are people not aligning their views with mine, i know how this works and they don’t >:((((( i know so because i have a friend thats an engineer in endurance motorsports 😳☝️☝️ >:(((
Sure. I mean, I think we all get that geometry is geometry and physics are physics, but you’re still adding variables when you change things like wheel shape. You’re changing the effective track width of the board, which affects how much pressure is needed to lean it over and how much lean you get before wheelbite. The extra urethane contact make wide wheels feel very connected to the ground, adding to the stable and precise feel of the turn, while narrow wheels feel more loosely connected to the ground… all the variables working together is “the turning” to me, and it’s much more complex than somehow measuring the radius of the board doing a theoretical perfect U-turn under a precise, consistent load.
Does anyone realistically think of turning with that narrow of a definition? It’s just not indicative of how a skateboard turns or moves in any realistic situation.
those shirts aren't bad. It's funny because Thunder is absolutely my favorite truck, but I also feel like it's the least "cool" truck company out of the top brands.
Expand Quotethose shirts aren't bad. It's funny because Thunder is absolutely my favorite truck, but I also feel like it's the least "cool" truck company out of the top brands.[close]
The branding is by far the worst. Even the grenade logo which I used to like a little bit looks like a knock off snowboard brand logo
I think I made the mistake of saying "more surfy" by adding the classics but that was really not the correct word to use there. I see why you guys are getting upset over this. I really just meant "less stable".
I think the art direction for the thunder catalogs and ads has been really good lately. I think Thunder is really killing it in all aspects the last 5 years or so, the seeing the god tier legion of pros that endorse them. Their branding is acttually kind of shit though, I wish they would do more with the thunderbolt or something. the actual font they use on the trucks is pretty cool but they dont print shirts with it.
(https://thundertrucks.com/catalog/spring23/05-th-sp23-d2-ao-apparel.jpg)
like this new logo on that dark green shirt actually isnt too bad, but i am not drawn to it either. I would love a shirt that combines the THUNDER font and thunderbolt logo from the baseplate somehow. something iconic like the Venture AWAKE shirt.
those shirts aren't bad. It's funny because Thunder is absolutely my favorite truck, but I also feel like it's the least "cool" truck company out of the top brands.
I’m sorry to keep diverting from the intended purpose of this thread, but I find it funny how you think “get over yourself” was that dude’s best insult. You were asked if you haven’t gotten laid in a while and if you “are that much of a wanker in real life”, and were called a pedant after you called someone else Mr. Pedantic yourself (which you kind of deserved to have turned back onto you because you seem like you are one, in all complete honesty). You can say you aren’t mad or feel some type of way, sure… but you definitely seemed like you did when you said your whole shtick about low tolerance and called other people’s viewpoints bullshit.Expand Quoteplease enlighten us on precisely why they sell different wheel shapes then, in full detail!Expand QuoteI just have a low tolerance for bullshit and bro science, which this is. There is zero evidence that this could even be possible.
That is not why they sell different wheel shapes at all. Frankly this is getting boring and you're illustrating how little of an understanding you have of how a skateboard actually works.[close]
please also illustrate to us your superior understanding of how a skateboard actually works
like holy fuck dude, get over yourself
get off your fucking high horse man
i’m so sirius rn >:( why are people not aligning their views with mine, i know how this works and they don’t >:((((( i know so because i have a friend thats an engineer in endurance motorsports 😳☝️☝️ >:((([close]
The fact that your best insult is "get over yourself" shows that you must be really frustrated at potentially being incorrect about something and it triggers your insecurities. Those insecurities are then used to try and insult me, but frankly dude it's fucking Slap who actually gives a shit?
Larger contact patch smooths out rough terrain and some feel it grips more
Different sidewall shapes lock in differently
Larger and smaller wheels have various effects on pop and speed.
Durometers impact grip and speed
Colors impact people's desired aesthetic
And none of this impacts turning. If it did pro skaters that skated tight transition wouldn't almost universally skate wider, larger wheels.
I think maybe short posts make people think I'm mad or care. I have friends that make claims like this and we banter about it, but it's not serious. It's simply not possible, but if you wanna believe it then go for it. Making up explanations that are borderline ridiculous like wider wheels make you turn at a bigger arc just makes it even more ridiculous and is pretty easy to disprove. I don't take myself or this board seriously or view myself as any sort of authority on any aspect of skateboarding.
To answer your questions that are thinly veiled insults I am doing great on all of your questions and not salty or upset. I just don't agree with what you're saying and pseudo science explanations that can be disproved in a driveway. In general we live in an age where people just make up whatever they want and expect that since it's their opinion no one will question them. I questioned you and you didn't actually provide any sort of explanation that is rooted in the realities of physics or just basic common sense observing skateboards turn.
You can keep getting mad and being insulting but I'm not mad or really feeling anything about posts on a skateboarding message board.
Expand Quotethose shirts aren't bad. It's funny because Thunder is absolutely my favorite truck, but I also feel like it's the least "cool" truck company out of the top brands.[close]
I dunno if you follow Ted Barrow much but he rips on Thunder a lot for their aesthetic, corny marketing, and massive team. I feel that a truck is as "cool" as who is riding it so if Ishod or Lucas is ripping on them they're cool to me.
I just hope the T2 has better baseplate slide and bushing quality.
Maybe not being "cool" has been kinda good for thunder. Indy was pretty cool from 05-2015 but now it's chat. Venture used to actually be embarassing and now it's top. Thunder just consistently stayed at number 2 for the last 20 yearsExpand QuoteExpand Quotethose shirts aren't bad. It's funny because Thunder is absolutely my favorite truck, but I also feel like it's the least "cool" truck company out of the top brands.[close]
I dunno if you follow Ted Barrow much but he rips on Thunder a lot for their aesthetic, corny marketing, and massive team. I feel that a truck is as "cool" as who is riding it so if Ishod or Lucas is ripping on them they're cool to me.
I just hope the T2 has better baseplate slide and bushing quality.[close]
he’s not wrong, but indy isn’t exactly cool, neither is ace.
venture is cool.
The T2 has been in testing for like 3 years at this point. Pictures surfaced 1.5 years ago and riders have been spotted with em but there's not many details. The set I have a pic of has a normal kingpin but there's an IKP set. It's hard to tell if the baseplate is longer, but it's more rounded on the wheel side like the old Thunders.
Expand Quotethose shirts aren't bad. It's funny because Thunder is absolutely my favorite truck, but I also feel like it's the least "cool" truck company out of the top brands.[close]
I dunno if you follow Ted Barrow much but he rips on Thunder a lot for their aesthetic, corny marketing, and massive team. I feel that a truck is as "cool" as who is riding it so if Ishod or Lucas is ripping on them they're cool to me.
I just hope the T2 has better baseplate slide and bushing quality.
@j....soy.....
Could you expand on that? I wasn't paying much attention to gear before 2018 so I'm not familiar with how things changed from like 2008 until then.
Expand Quote@j....soy.....
Could you expand on that? I wasn't paying much attention to gear before 2018 so I'm not familiar with how things changed from like 2008 until then.[close]
I just always think of Ventures always being really low and not turning, Indy's being heavy and early 2000's they had that bad batch where the axels bent.
Thunder's being a lighter truck that
I have the ole...'well such and such skated them...and he ripped!' but pretty sure Mcrank rode for Royal...skated Thunders. Sick team, sick product....just shit logos.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethose shirts aren't bad. It's funny because Thunder is absolutely my favorite truck, but I also feel like it's the least "cool" truck company out of the top brands.[close]
I dunno if you follow Ted Barrow much but he rips on Thunder a lot for their aesthetic, corny marketing, and massive team. I feel that a truck is as "cool" as who is riding it so if Ishod or Lucas is ripping on them they're cool to me.
I just hope the T2 has better baseplate slide and bushing quality.[close]
Lucas been riding indys.
In the 90s thunders looked fucking weird. I was watching the 411 ny metrospective and one of my favorites does a line in thunders. Loose as fuck and with good style and the ugly ass thunders ruined it for me. Might be cause they were small thunders. So the hanger looked small and chubby.
Matt reason made the extra wide ones with 20 riser pads and 60mm look cool
With that being said, thunders are the best trucks. Biggest complaint everybody has is the baseplate. I dont care about it.
There’s a ton of people who quietly ride thunders and they are all really good…..
Expand QuoteThere’s a ton of people who quietly ride thunders and they are all really good…..[close]
They're gaining more traction again after the Ace/Venture trends at least locally in SD. I've seen a few shop riders/employees on them and talked to one yesterday that was Indy flow and skates mostly big ass transition, parks, gnarly street stuff, and he raves about his Thunder Forged Lights. Another transition/big terrain dude at the park yesterday was on Indy Flow and got so sick of mids that he copped a pair of Team Hollows from the shop bargain bin and was raving about how great they are.
Speaking of Thunder Lights, I had a bent axle and DLX customer service is still top tier:
(https://i.ibb.co/GkfXzcZ/IMG-4041.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkfXzcZ)
Expand QuoteSpeaking of Thunder Lights, I had a bent axle and DLX customer service is still top tier:
(https://i.ibb.co/GkfXzcZ/IMG-4041.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkfXzcZ)[close]
Did you just message them through the DLXSF product warranty page? Currently have a bent axle on my trucks that are only a few months old.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThere’s a ton of people who quietly ride thunders and they are all really good…..[close]
They're gaining more traction again after the Ace/Venture trends at least locally in SD. I've seen a few shop riders/employees on them and talked to one yesterday that was Indy flow and skates mostly big ass transition, parks, gnarly street stuff, and he raves about his Thunder Forged Lights. Another transition/big terrain dude at the park yesterday was on Indy Flow and got so sick of mids that he copped a pair of Team Hollows from the shop bargain bin and was raving about how great they are.[close]
I think my assessment checks out and applies to all things SD....really good skaters.....I"m going to guess that at least 70% of skaters who ride thunders can nollie flip.....ACE: 50.....It's a DLX brand, but I don't really see them claiming SF as hard as the board brands and spitfire....Now I'm dating myself...but if there was a current day Tracker...it's Thunder...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere’s a ton of people who quietly ride thunders and they are all really good…..[close]
They're gaining more traction again after the Ace/Venture trends at least locally in SD. I've seen a few shop riders/employees on them and talked to one yesterday that was Indy flow and skates mostly big ass transition, parks, gnarly street stuff, and he raves about his Thunder Forged Lights. Another transition/big terrain dude at the park yesterday was on Indy Flow and got so sick of mids that he copped a pair of Team Hollows from the shop bargain bin and was raving about how great they are.[close]
I think my assessment checks out and applies to all things SD....really good skaters.....I"m going to guess that at least 70% of skaters who ride thunders can nollie flip.....ACE: 50.....It's a DLX brand, but I don't really see them claiming SF as hard as the board brands and spitfire....Now I'm dating myself...but if there was a current day Tracker...it's Thunder...[close]
my first trucks were TRACKER HAWK's in a bargain bin! Its funny how I have come full circle. They actually do feel a lot like those trucks. I rememeber thinking how great those trucks were at the time but everyone was into Grind King and Destructo in my area and told me they sucked! hahaha
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere’s a ton of people who quietly ride thunders and they are all really good…..[close]
They're gaining more traction again after the Ace/Venture trends at least locally in SD. I've seen a few shop riders/employees on them and talked to one yesterday that was Indy flow and skates mostly big ass transition, parks, gnarly street stuff, and he raves about his Thunder Forged Lights. Another transition/big terrain dude at the park yesterday was on Indy Flow and got so sick of mids that he copped a pair of Team Hollows from the shop bargain bin and was raving about how great they are.[close]
I think my assessment checks out and applies to all things SD....really good skaters.....I"m going to guess that at least 70% of skaters who ride thunders can nollie flip.....ACE: 50.....It's a DLX brand, but I don't really see them claiming SF as hard as the board brands and spitfire....Now I'm dating myself...but if there was a current day Tracker...it's Thunder...[close]
my first trucks were TRACKER HAWK's in a bargain bin! Its funny how I have come full circle. They actually do feel a lot like those trucks. I rememeber thinking how great those trucks were at the time but everyone was into Grind King and Destructo in my area and told me they sucked! hahaha[close]
Tracker were garbage. Thunder are not.
I'd love to hear some science behind the percentage of who can do what because of the trucks they ride. This is next level Slap Speculation. Slapulation!
For those of you who have tried both 147s and 148s, is there much difference in feel between them? The height difference comes from the hanger so I was always curious if there was a noticeable change in geometry.
I've tried 147s on a couple of occasions but never kept them on my board long enough to really get used to them. I can go between Indy and Venture without much issue but going to those 147s felt strange. I felt like I couldn't get my board to follow me up so I'd get super sketched out trying to get onto or over things.
I do get tempted by the 148s as you would get more KP clearance and less wheelbite (I assume). I don't ride loose trucks by any means but I also found the 147s to be tight with the stock bushings.
For those of you who have tried both 147s and 148s, is there much difference in feel between them? The height difference comes from the hanger so I was always curious if there was a noticeable change in geometry.
I've tried 147s on a couple of occasions but never kept them on my board long enough to really get used to them. I can go between Indy and Venture without much issue but going to those 147s felt strange. I felt like I couldn't get my board to follow me up so I'd get super sketched out trying to get onto or over things.
I do get tempted by the 148s as you would get more KP clearance and less wheelbite (I assume). I don't ride loose trucks by any means but I also found the 147s to be tight with the stock bushings.
148s turn better/deeper, less wheel bite, looser, better kingpin clearance. Just an all around better truck IMO unless you like lighter and tighter trucks. Then they can't be beat.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere’s a ton of people who quietly ride thunders and they are all really good…..[close]
They're gaining more traction again after the Ace/Venture trends at least locally in SD. I've seen a few shop riders/employees on them and talked to one yesterday that was Indy flow and skates mostly big ass transition, parks, gnarly street stuff, and he raves about his Thunder Forged Lights. Another transition/big terrain dude at the park yesterday was on Indy Flow and got so sick of mids that he copped a pair of Team Hollows from the shop bargain bin and was raving about how great they are.[close]
I think my assessment checks out and applies to all things SD....really good skaters.....I"m going to guess that at least 70% of skaters who ride thunders can nollie flip.....ACE: 50.....It's a DLX brand, but I don't really see them claiming SF as hard as the board brands and spitfire....Now I'm dating myself...but if there was a current day Tracker...it's Thunder...[close]
my first trucks were TRACKER HAWK's in a bargain bin! Its funny how I have come full circle. They actually do feel a lot like those trucks. I rememeber thinking how great those trucks were at the time but everyone was into Grind King and Destructo in my area and told me they sucked! hahaha[close]
Tracker were garbage. Thunder are not.
I'd love to hear some science behind the percentage of who can do what because of the trucks they ride. This is next level Slap Speculation. Slapulation![close]
Trackers were meant for vert/bowl skating. Not the best turn as they didn’t need it as much (albeit better than predecessors minus Bennet; but their trucks fell apart), fast-forward to more regular and nuanced street skating, here comes things that could flick and turn better, although still big, weigh way less than some 9in trackers. Then it went to tight low trucks and small wheels. An era of trying to make the board flip as much as it could = less sensible gear imo. Fast forward to now…
To chime in on the speculation of who attributes which trick ease to what trucks: that shit’s all marketing and ego built into your choice to buy based on the identity the brand markets, and trick selection and style are prob the two biggest buttons pushed when you watch an ad of the right guy skating the right trucks doing the right trick. If you’re letting your trucks dictate how you wanna skate you’re already not having as much fun as you could be. No way anyone telling me Tyshawn is more tech than Tiago (BUT HE RIDES THUNDURZ :o )
Bummer, my set of Thunder 161 Standards have axle slip.
I've owned them for about a year but have been skating them for maybe two/three months total, and one truck is more grooved than the rest. Haven't hit axle on any hanger. Should I bother contacting DLX support or just take the L? Their warranty is super vague, and I've had success and failure previously getting issues resolved with them.
Hey all, got a quick question. I just bought some second hand 147 lights and was wondering why they don‘t have the „Thunder Lights“ print (not the sticker) on them as seen literally everywhere. Is this maybe an older version or should I worry about them being fake? Doesn‘t look like that but was just curious.. Thanks!
Hey all, got a quick question. I just bought some second hand 147 lights and was wondering why they don‘t have the „Thunder Lights“ print (not the sticker) on them as seen literally everywhere. Is this maybe an older version or should I worry about them being fake? Doesn‘t look like that but was just curious.. Thanks!
Expand QuoteThere’s a ton of people who quietly ride thunders and they are all really good…..[close]
They're gaining more traction again after the Ace/Venture trends at least locally in SD. I've seen a few shop riders/employees on them and talked to one yesterday that was Indy flow and skates mostly big ass transition, parks, gnarly street stuff, and he raves about his Thunder Forged Lights. Another transition/big terrain dude at the park yesterday was on Indy Flow and got so sick of mids that he copped a pair of Team Hollows from the shop bargain bin and was raving about how great they are.
Ya the dude was like "I super glued the kingpin and this shit still comes loose every 5 minutes"
Blunt slides on rails: Of course its possible... but ive noticed with Thunders it takes a specific rail (ideally a smaller width circle rail) for it to work. Fat rails, my wheels catch too much even with coatings of wax (the solution is to do the blunt more like a ollie over bs tail slide, instead of sitting upright on your wheels. I've noticed with Indys since your sliding on your baseplate for blunts, its not a problem typically with any size of rail. This is starting to create some madness for myself and I feel limited on what tricks I can do....do any of you guys feel like this?
Blunt slides on rails: Of course its possible... but ive noticed with Thunders it takes a specific rail (ideally a smaller width circle rail) for it to work. Fat rails, my wheels catch too much even with coatings of wax (the solution is to do the blunt more like a ollie over bs tail slide, instead of sitting upright on your wheels. I've noticed with Indys since your sliding on your baseplate for blunts, its not a problem typically with any size of rail. This is starting to create some madness for myself and I feel limited on what tricks I can do....do any of you guys feel like this?I wouldn’t worry about it too much because Ishod rides them and so does Foy. I don’t think either of them can’t blunt slide a rail let alone have to look for specific rails to blunt slide.
Forgive me if I’ve asked this before in this thread, but where the hell are all the Thunder 181s at?
Other than a sample pair my local shop has that aren’t for sale, I have yet to find any online or otherwise. Anyone able to point me in the direction of some 10” Thunders?
Expand QuoteForgive me if I’ve asked this before in this thread, but where the hell are all the Thunder 181s at?
Other than a sample pair my local shop has that aren’t for sale, I have yet to find any online or otherwise. Anyone able to point me in the direction of some 10” Thunders?[close]
I feel like that would be a good one to ask DLXSF.COM directly.
They were around in short supply for a minute but maybe had less interest than they thought, or something happened, but I hadn't seen any more since that initial drop and they have taken them off any product list as well, even though the Thunder Trucks site still has 181 in the Team editions, so there might still be hope for tracking some down.
how can i get my hands on silver hardware like axle nuts and the top and bottom bushing covers? I really hate this new black design they use for the team trucks..
Expand Quotehow can i get my hands on silver hardware like axle nuts and the top and bottom bushing covers? I really hate this new black design they use for the team trucks..[close]
uhhh, buy them?
https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Truck-Bushing-Cup-And-Flat-Washers.html
https://socalskateshop.com/Mini-Logo-Axle-Nuts.html
Oooor, let the madness take you and by 3278649812364 pairs of trucks,
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehow can i get my hands on silver hardware like axle nuts and the top and bottom bushing covers? I really hate this new black design they use for the team trucks..[close]
uhhh, buy them?
https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Truck-Bushing-Cup-And-Flat-Washers.html
https://socalskateshop.com/Mini-Logo-Axle-Nuts.html
Oooor, let the madness take you and by 3278649812364 pairs of trucks,[close]
It's funny cause to me that black hardware option is what Thunder has been doing for a long time and any plain Thunder trucks look "normal" with black nuts and washers.
The other versions, be it lights, or hollow or half the pro versions have silver nuts and washers, so if you are that caught up not wanting black, maybe get those instead, or as stated, buy the other bits separately and keep it full silver and pass the black bits on to someone else who might need them, or leave them at the skate shop when you buy the trucks.
To be fair though, you are not the only one who changes out things like that. Some people actually want to change in the black hardware on their otherwise silver truck parts, or people use the rebuild kit and make everything go a bit more out there with the blue or red parts, but a simple silver or black set of everything just looks more normal.
I used to have a bit more of that with kids than adults with the average customer being a lot younger in previous shop places I worked.
(https://thundertrucks.com/catalog/spring23/11-th-sp23-d1-ao-polished-staples-ff-01.jpg)
one thing people should really know before buying these trucks: do not by 7/8" hardware if you are getting the standard cast baseplates. they are VERY thick and you will have to drive the screws very far into the wood to have a secure fit.
one thing people should really know before buying these trucks: do not by 7/8" hardware if you are getting the standard cast baseplates. they are VERY thick and you will have to drive the screws very far into the wood to have a secure fit.
one thing people should really know before buying these trucks: do not by 7/8" hardware if you are getting the standard cast baseplates. they are VERY thick and you will have to drive the screws very far into the wood to have a secure fit.
one thing people should really know before buying these trucks: do not by 7/8" hardware if you are getting the standard cast baseplates. they are VERY thick and you will have to drive the screws very far into the wood to have a secure fit.Are you riding a retro 9ply darkstar deck?
Are you riding a retro 9ply darkstar deck?Expand Quoteone thing people should really know before buying these trucks: do not by 7/8" hardware if you are getting the standard cast baseplates. they are VERY thick and you will have to drive the screws very far into the wood to have a secure fit.[close]
What's the reasonable max classic wheel size with 147s? 52?
Also, how tall are the stock bushings?
Does the 147s have substantially lower kingpin clearence than 148 and up? I've got some old 147 hangars, put them on my 148 baseplates, and the kingpin clearence is terrible...Yes. 2-3mm less
Yes. 2-3mm lessExpand QuoteDoes the 147s have substantially lower kingpin clearence than 148 and up? I've got some old 147 hangars, put them on my 148 baseplates, and the kingpin clearence is terrible...[close]
Where can you get Thunder bushings? Are stock ones 90 duro? Mine are finally starting to crumble.
Where can you get Thunder bushings? Are stock ones 90 duro? Mine are finally starting to crumble.
Where can you get Thunder bushings? Are stock ones 90 duro? Mine are finally starting to crumble.
Anyone have any news about the T2? I'll probably be asking monthly for the next several years.
Has anyone gone from venture to thunder and prefer thunder? I ride venture 5.6 with the loose truck kit and 56mm classics. I love everything about this combo and want to pick up some 8.5 trucks next. Venture seems like a safe bet but thunder has some pretty nice colorways. I mostly just skate flat ground, ledges and small transitionDon’t switch if you feel comfortable and nothing is going wrong. I switched bc I wanted a lower truck and my switch heels weren’t working. Plus I can get much more tech on Thunders.
Has anyone gone from venture to thunder and prefer thunder? I ride venture 5.6 with the loose truck kit and 56mm classics. I love everything about this combo and want to pick up some 8.5 trucks next. Venture seems like a safe bet but thunder has some pretty nice colorways. I mostly just skate flat ground, ledges and small transition
Has anyone gone from venture to thunder and prefer thunder? I ride venture 5.6 with the loose truck kit and 56mm classics. I love everything about this combo and want to pick up some 8.5 trucks next. Venture seems like a safe bet but thunder has some pretty nice colorways. I mostly just skate flat ground, ledges and small transition
Has anyone gone from venture to thunder and prefer thunder? I ride venture 5.6 with the loose truck kit and 56mm classics. I love everything about this combo and want to pick up some 8.5 trucks next. Venture seems like a safe bet but thunder has some pretty nice colorways. I mostly just skate flat ground, ledges and small transition
Has anyone gone from venture to thunder and prefer thunder? I ride venture 5.6 with the loose truck kit and 56mm classics. I love everything about this combo and want to pick up some 8.5 trucks next. Venture seems like a safe bet but thunder has some pretty nice colorways. I mostly just skate flat ground, ledges and small transition
Expand QuoteHas anyone gone from venture to thunder and prefer thunder? I ride venture 5.6 with the loose truck kit and 56mm classics. I love everything about this combo and want to pick up some 8.5 trucks next. Venture seems like a safe bet but thunder has some pretty nice colorways. I mostly just skate flat ground, ledges and small transition[close]
i go back and forth between these two brands a lot. from strictly an ease of skating perspective, thunders work for me a little better.
but i prefer ventures (lo’s tho, so this isn’t really an apples to apples comparison).
thunders are not rad, for me, on bigger wheels. i’ve skated 56 classics on 148 lights, and 149s, and gotten away with it, but not the best.
if i had to ride big wheels, i would go with venture hi’s over thunders.
if i wanted to stop being a goofball that spends too much time on here whinging about gear crisis type shit, i could probably just skate my 148 lights and call it a day.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone gone from venture to thunder and prefer thunder? I ride venture 5.6 with the loose truck kit and 56mm classics. I love everything about this combo and want to pick up some 8.5 trucks next. Venture seems like a safe bet but thunder has some pretty nice colorways. I mostly just skate flat ground, ledges and small transition[close]
i go back and forth between these two brands a lot. from strictly an ease of skating perspective, thunders work for me a little better.
but i prefer ventures (lo’s tho, so this isn’t really an apples to apples comparison).
thunders are not rad, for me, on bigger wheels. i’ve skated 56 classics on 148 lights, and 149s, and gotten away with it, but not the best.
if i had to ride big wheels, i would go with venture hi’s over thunders.
if i wanted to stop being a goofball that spends too much time on here whinging about gear crisis type shit, i could probably just skate my 148 lights and call it a day.[close]
I can go back and forth pretty easily between Thunders and Ventures with barely any adjustment period. I like my Ventures better, but tbh that's probably knowing I'm on Ventures just as much as the actual properties of the truck.
I second the notion that bigger wheels and Thunders don't mesh too well, even with risers. I haven't figured out why that is yet, but it just doesn't work as well for me.
How bad is the kingpin clearance on 147’s as i’ve heard that their hangers are 2mm lower than 148 and up? Or is the height difference from the baseplate too?
Skated my new Thunder 149s last Friday night. Really stoked with them. I skated them with the bushings stock tightness and they tightened during the session to a point where they're perfect. Didn't have to adjust them at all. Loving the Thunder stability and turn. Really nice on transition. Don't think I'll be changing truck brands now. Not sure why I went away from Thunders before.
Expand QuoteHow bad is the kingpin clearance on 147’s as i’ve heard that their hangers are 2mm lower than 148 and up? Or is the height difference from the baseplate too?[close]
it is a noticeable challenge. the baseplates are the same, the height reduction comes from the hanger.
147s are very similar to venture lo’s. i like them a lot, i’m not good at grinds, and i love the pop, so take it with a grain of salt i guess
147s are like if a venture low turned better and you could actually run a wheel above 51mm while having it relatively loose. I setup some 147s on an 8.0 a few weeks ago coming from 148s on an 8.2 and I’m having a good time on em
Are those bushings clear or silver?DLX says
Just setup some lightly used 147 lights with fresh white 90a bushings to replace some 5.2 lows. Feels right to be back on them and I’m wondering why I keep leaving in the first place.
Expand QuoteJust setup some lightly used 147 lights with fresh white 90a bushings to replace some 5.2 lows. Feels right to be back on them and I’m wondering why I keep leaving in the first place.[close]
i go back and forth between 147s and 5.2 lo’s, frequently.
what do you like about 147s more?
i like 5.2 lo’s more, i think. i’ve never done a good comparison, on the same deck.
why do you like more?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust setup some lightly used 147 lights with fresh white 90a bushings to replace some 5.2 lows. Feels right to be back on them and I’m wondering why I keep leaving in the first place.[close]
i go back and forth between 147s and 5.2 lo’s, frequently.
what do you like about 147s more?
i like 5.2 lo’s more, i think. i’ve never done a good comparison, on the same deck.
why do you like more?[close]
I’ve been skating them on the same 8” deck and the thunders to me just feel more stable while turning better at the same time. I feel much more confident bombing a hill on 147’s than the 5.2 lows, not sure why.
Pop and trick wise they are very similar but I think overall I’m just more used to Thunder timing. The extra 1-2mm of height helps too. I’m picky about truck height and these seem to be my sweet spot.
Also with the new thunder team baseplate design, I can run a ikp pretty easily so I look forward to doing that to have a low truck with good kp clearance.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust setup some lightly used 147 lights with fresh white 90a bushings to replace some 5.2 lows. Feels right to be back on them and I’m wondering why I keep leaving in the first place.[close]
i go back and forth between 147s and 5.2 lo’s, frequently.
what do you like about 147s more?
i like 5.2 lo’s more, i think. i’ve never done a good comparison, on the same deck.
why do you like more?[close]
I’ve been skating them on the same 8” deck and the thunders to me just feel more stable while turning better at the same time. I feel much more confident bombing a hill on 147’s than the 5.2 lows, not sure why.
Pop and trick wise they are very similar but I think overall I’m just more used to Thunder timing. The extra 1-2mm of height helps too. I’m picky about truck height and these seem to be my sweet spot.
Also with the new thunder team baseplate design, I can run a ikp pretty easily so I look forward to doing that to have a low truck with good kp clearance.[close]
thanks
do you use the same size wheels on both? my biggest drawback with both of these trucks: i’ve never ‘successfully’ (very relative), ridden larger than 52s.
the kingpin clearance is bad, on both.
pop wise, my kickflips are better with 147s, ollie’s and everything else better with the ventures.
i like 151s, 149s. i don’t like to skate larger boards as much anymore, as the particulars get too precious for me. i have some 148 lights, and those ….trip me out. i’ve been giving them the side eye, like an ex drunk gazing at an unopened bottle on a tall shelf, that is there for ‘decorative’ reasons: the 148s are too big for the 8s and below i like to ride, but those damn things just seem to ‘work’, on whatever. i’ve set them up on wildly different boards, with very different wheels, and no problems.
but i persist in just liking 147s and lo’s.
well now i feel better, thanks
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust setup some lightly used 147 lights with fresh white 90a bushings to replace some 5.2 lows. Feels right to be back on them and I’m wondering why I keep leaving in the first place.[close]
i go back and forth between 147s and 5.2 lo’s, frequently.
what do you like about 147s more?
i like 5.2 lo’s more, i think. i’ve never done a good comparison, on the same deck.
why do you like more?[close]
I’ve been skating them on the same 8” deck and the thunders to me just feel more stable while turning better at the same time. I feel much more confident bombing a hill on 147’s than the 5.2 lows, not sure why.
Pop and trick wise they are very similar but I think overall I’m just more used to Thunder timing. The extra 1-2mm of height helps too. I’m picky about truck height and these seem to be my sweet spot.
Also with the new thunder team baseplate design, I can run a ikp pretty easily so I look forward to doing that to have a low truck with good kp clearance.[close]
thanks
do you use the same size wheels on both? my biggest drawback with both of these trucks: i’ve never ‘successfully’ (very relative), ridden larger than 52s.
the kingpin clearance is bad, on both.
pop wise, my kickflips are better with 147s, ollie’s and everything else better with the ventures.
i like 151s, 149s. i don’t like to skate larger boards as much anymore, as the particulars get too precious for me. i have some 148 lights, and those ….trip me out. i’ve been giving them the side eye, like an ex drunk gazing at an unopened bottle on a tall shelf, that is there for ‘decorative’ reasons: the 148s are too big for the 8s and below i like to ride, but those damn things just seem to ‘work’, on whatever. i’ve set them up on wildly different boards, with very different wheels, and no problems.
but i persist in just liking 147s and lo’s.
well now i feel better, thanks[close]
I’ve also tried all the sizes up to 151. Was on 149 the longest, which I would run 56 classics on w/o risers and somehow be ok. Did that for years.
Sizing down to >8.25 boards has made me appreciate 8” trucks with a slightly wider board. It’s what I learned all my tricks on and spent the most time practicing on before sizing up.
53 is what I can max out with 147 and 5.2 low but I ride them a bit tighter. It hurts me to push Bones product, but x-formula wheels have really made skating smaller wheels a lot more comfortable.
Both great trucks and they look the best.
how do the x formulas help? just smoother/faster?
how do the x formulas help? just smoother/faster?
Expand Quotehow do the x formulas help? just smoother/faster?[close]
I’m riding an x99 52mm and speed-wise on normal asphalt or concrete is comparable to the 55-56 FF’s I used to ride, but somehow less rattly.
I was riding 52mm classic 99a right before switching which were barely rolling on some crusty spots I skate. The x99 even in 52 smooth out the crust so well.
Since I can’t really go up in wheel size due to 147, they are definitely a game changer if you spend more time out of the skatepark than in it.
i can understand it....unless you're Vincent Alvarez....small wheels on crust or even just pushing around in the streets doesn't work. At least with an x formula, it takes the edge off and makes it more manageable.
Any of you guys skate 151s? Most people i see in the wild who use thunders skate smaller sizes, 147-149. I am going to get 151s for my egg setup and i think because they are so wide they will feel like a really nice balance of stability + turning, where some times i find myself wanting just that little bit more carve on the skinny 148 thunders i am using.
was thinking of even dropping down to 149 for the 9.125" egg to shave off more weight but after looking it up it seems like the difference in weight is super negligable, so might as well stick with what works (Franky's setup with the 54mm conical fulls) and get the turning i want. Could always switch to classics for more tilt + shave off more weight but i acutally think i want more weight to help push through crust a bit better too (paired with the conical fulls).
Any of you guys skate 151s? Most people i see in the wild who use thunders skate smaller sizes, 147-149. I am going to get 151s for my egg setup and i think because they are so wide they will feel like a really nice balance of stability + turning, where some times i find myself wanting just that little bit more carve on the skinny 148 thunders i am using.
was thinking of even dropping down to 149 for the 9.125" egg to shave off more weight but after looking it up it seems like the difference in weight is super negligable, so might as well stick with what works (Franky's setup with the 54mm conical fulls) and get the turning i want. Could always switch to classics for more tilt + shave off more weight but i acutally think i want more weight to help push through crust a bit better too (paired with the conical fulls).
Any of you guys skate 151s? Most people i see in the wild who use thunders skate smaller sizes, 147-149. I am going to get 151s for my egg setup and i think because they are so wide they will feel like a really nice balance of stability + turning, where some times i find myself wanting just that little bit more carve on the skinny 148 thunders i am using.
was thinking of even dropping down to 149 for the 9.125" egg to shave off more weight but after looking it up it seems like the difference in weight is super negligable, so might as well stick with what works (Franky's setup with the 54mm conical fulls) and get the turning i want. Could always switch to classics for more tilt + shave off more weight but i acutally think i want more weight to help push through crust a bit better too (paired with the conical fulls).
Any of you guys skate 151s? Most people i see in the wild who use thunders skate smaller sizes, 147-149. I am going to get 151s for my egg setup and i think because they are so wide they will feel like a really nice balance of stability + turning, where some times i find myself wanting just that little bit more carve on the skinny 148 thunders i am using.
was thinking of even dropping down to 149 for the 9.125" egg to shave off more weight but after looking it up it seems like the difference in weight is super negligable, so might as well stick with what works (Franky's setup with the 54mm conical fulls) and get the turning i want. Could always switch to classics for more tilt + shave off more weight but i acutally think i want more weight to help push through crust a bit better too (paired with the conical fulls).
Expand QuoteAny of you guys skate 151s? Most people i see in the wild who use thunders skate smaller sizes, 147-149. I am going to get 151s for my egg setup and i think because they are so wide they will feel like a really nice balance of stability + turning, where some times i find myself wanting just that little bit more carve on the skinny 148 thunders i am using.
was thinking of even dropping down to 149 for the 9.125" egg to shave off more weight but after looking it up it seems like the difference in weight is super negligable, so might as well stick with what works (Franky's setup with the 54mm conical fulls) and get the turning i want. Could always switch to classics for more tilt + shave off more weight but i acutally think i want more weight to help push through crust a bit better too (paired with the conical fulls).[close]
I use 149s TIs on the 9" Quasi Egg.. 2 washers on the inside of the wheels for that tiny extra width.. I do hv 151s on Franky primitive egg
I’ve grinded into both of my kingpins to the point of both the axle nuts getting to that fused point on my 147 hollows. The kingpins are grinding down flush, if anything the kingpin peaks out a few mm past the axle. It’s been catching on some ledge tricks and slappies, throwing me off from time to time lately. What do yo do when your trucks gets to this point?
I’ve grinded into both of my kingpins to the point of both the axle nuts getting to that fused point on my 147 hollows. The kingpins are grinding down flush, if anything the kingpin peaks out a few mm past the axle. It’s been catching on some ledge tricks and slappies, throwing me off from time to time lately. What do yo do when your trucks gets to this point?
I’ve grinded into both of my kingpins to the point of both the axle nuts getting to that fused point on my 147 hollows. The kingpins are grinding down flush, if anything the kingpin peaks out a few mm past the axle. It’s been catching on some ledge tricks and slappies, throwing me off from time to time lately. What do yo do when your trucks gets to this point?
I have been riding ace classics for the last ten years and want to switch it up. Since i never rode thunders before i want to try out those. Usually i ride 44s with 8.25 -8.5 and hard bushings. Do you guys have any suggestions for me? I enjoy the turn on the aces and do lots of grinds. Are titaniums worth it? Is the extra height on team hollows beneficial for the turn? Kinda overwhelmed over here.I would recommend 148 team hollows with some aftermarket bushings. Also, since it lengthens the wheelbase, you may want to try decks with a shorter wheelbase than you normally ride, if flip tricks feel slower on Thunders. Turn is good and they grind better than Ventures (in my opinion).
Since the axle of a 44 is 8.35" which thunder should i go with? 148 or 149?
I have been riding ace classics for the last ten years and want to switch it up. Since i never rode thunders before i want to try out those. Usually i ride 44s with 8.25 -8.5 and hard bushings. Do you guys have any suggestions for me? I enjoy the turn on the aces and do lots of grinds. Are titaniums worth it? Is the extra height on team hollows beneficial for the turn? Kinda overwhelmed over here.
Since the axle of a 44 is 8.35" which thunder should i go with? 148 or 149?
Any of you guys skate 151s? Most people i see in the wild who use thunders skate smaller sizes, 147-149. I am going to get 151s for my egg setup and i think because they are so wide they will feel like a really nice balance of stability + turning, where some times i find myself wanting just that little bit more carve on the skinny 148 thunders i am using.
was thinking of even dropping down to 149 for the 9.125" egg to shave off more weight but after looking it up it seems like the difference in weight is super negligable, so might as well stick with what works (Franky's setup with the 54mm conical fulls) and get the turning i want. Could always switch to classics for more tilt + shave off more weight but i acutally think i want more weight to help push through crust a bit better too (paired with the conical fulls).
I had some 147s way back then. ~10 years ago I think and broke a lot of kingpins back then. Since then I am on Indy 144s Forged Hollows. Sometimes the Indy's feel a bit difficult to pop and get height. Now I am thinking about trying some 148 Thunders. But not sure if they will improve my skating (make the pop feel easier and make me skate like I am 20 again) or if it is all in my head.
Ya all like Forged or Cast Baseplates on Thunders?
Cast would give a bit more area for Nose/Tailslides, but some people say the baseplates are bad for those slides. Which doesn't make sense when I look at Ishod. But he is Ishod and would probably be able to Kickflip Backtail Bigspin out on a Krooked Beamer.
And what's the wheelbase like on Thunders?
Is this already gear madness?
I should get my ass out there and skate instead of asking questions.
I had some 147s way back then. ~10 years ago I think and broke a lot of kingpins back then. Since then I am on Indy 144s Forged Hollows. Sometimes the Indy's feel a bit difficult to pop and get height. Now I am thinking about trying some 148 Thunders. But not sure if they will improve my skating (make the pop feel easier and make me skate like I am 20 again) or if it is all in my head.
Ya all like Forged or Cast Baseplates on Thunders?
Cast would give a bit more area for Nose/Tailslides, but some people say the baseplates are bad for those slides. Which doesn't make sense when I look at Ishod. But he is Ishod and would probably be able to Kickflip Backtail Bigspin out on a Krooked Beamer.
And what's the wheelbase like on Thunders?
Is this already gear madness?
I should get my ass out there and skate instead of asking questions.
Thanks ya all so far. Of course I have more questions..
I think I am set on 8.25 Magenta decks (~6.65" Tail with a 14.25" wheelbase) and 52mm Spitfire Conicals.
148 Thunder Lights are 51mm in height, right?
52mm wheels should be fine?
The tail shouldn't be "too short" for these trucks?
What was the wheelbase lengthening of Thunders again? + 3.25"?
Thanks again. More questions came up.
Lights? Hollow Lights? Titanium? Which one and why?
My Indy Titanium also broke at the axle recently. I was so angry that I threw them in the rubbish can and walked home like Daffy Duck.
I would prefer the 51mm height of Thunders because I know how Indy Forged with 53.5mm feel. These are fine so far but my best skating happened on Thunder 147s, but that was a lifetime ago.
Thanks again. More questions came up.
Lights? Hollow Lights? Titanium? Which one and why?
My Indy Titanium also broke at the axle recently. I was so angry that I threw them in the rubbish can and walked home like Daffy Duck.
I would prefer the 51mm height of Thunders because I know how Indy Forged with 53.5mm feel. These are fine so far but my best skating happened on Thunder 147s, but that was a lifetime ago.
Thanks again. More questions came up.
Lights? Hollow Lights? Titanium? Which one and why?
My Indy Titanium also broke at the axle recently. I was so angry that I threw them in the rubbish can and walked home like Daffy Duck.
I would prefer the 51mm height of Thunders because I know how Indy Forged with 53.5mm feel. These are fine so far but my best skating happened on Thunder 147s, but that was a lifetime ago.
Thanks again. More questions came up.
Lights? Hollow Lights? Titanium? Which one and why?
They would work fine. It's splitting hairs. Forged pop will be a bit faster and lighter, but Thunder are already snappy as it is. Your wheel range works fine on both. I always recommend people go with standards first on a truck then experiment with lighter at least with Thunder and Venture. Indy I almost recommend the opposite. AF1, Indy Forged, Thunder Standard/Team, and Venture cast are all in the 52-53ish height range and unlikely to be too polarizing.
Back on Thunders after 3-4 years on Aces. Skated thunder before ace. I went from the AF-1 Hollows to the Thunder Team Hollows. Here are things I noticed:
- Pinch way better on rails, ledges, transition
- Pop is snappier, quicker. All my flat feels way better.
- Don't mind the wide arcing Thunder turning, I actually quite like it and how it rebounds to center. Stable as fuck, but stil responsive.
- How light they are, flips easier, takes less energy.
As i'm getting older, I think thunders just make more sense. Less cumulative energy usage over the duration of a long session and less effort put into trying to flip a heavy ass set up. I think gifted hater said skate aces just makes things harder for yourself. I'm inclined to agree.
Are 161 Hollow Lights going to be made again? Can only find the team standards in the UK and Europe. :(
Can confirm that the stock bushings are shit in terms of durability. I've had these trucks since mid February and the bushings are pretty cracked and worn down. For some reason they still skate good which is why I haven't changed them. They always have been shit IMO but the trucks are too good and it is not that noticeable.I can tell by your mixed hardware nuts you need to get longer hardware my guy
(https://i.ibb.co/R3n0CDb/Whats-App-Image-2023-10-04-at-15-40-53-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4n8hSB)
(https://i.ibb.co/GvNKNPt/Whats-App-Image-2023-10-04-at-15-40-53.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yn7w7sY)
I can tell by your mixed hardware nuts you need to get longer hardware my guyExpand QuoteCan confirm that the stock bushings are shit in terms of durability. I've had these trucks since mid February and the bushings are pretty cracked and worn down. For some reason they still skate good which is why I haven't changed them. They always have been shit IMO but the trucks are too good and it is not that noticeable.
(https://i.ibb.co/R3n0CDb/Whats-App-Image-2023-10-04-at-15-40-53-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4n8hSB)
(https://i.ibb.co/GvNKNPt/Whats-App-Image-2023-10-04-at-15-40-53.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yn7w7sY)[close]
^^ for real. 7/8" on team plates with risers (what are they btw? they look really slim - only ones I've found like that are the ACE 1/16) is pushing it.They are actually 1 inch hardware and the risers are the Real wooden risers (the 3 ply ones). I thought 1 inch would do the trick but it's not really the case. It's not THAT bad either just gotta make sure they arent loosening up but I'll for sure get some new hardware soon haha thanks guys!
It's a bit more nuanced from my experience with both. Thunder's stablility makes starting the trick (popping) alot more reliable. I do find aces easier to finesse a trick if I don't land perfect though. Where I can get away with alot more tricks on aces, with thunders, if my balance is off, I often have to step off and bail a seemingly done deal.Expand QuoteBack on Thunders after 3-4 years on Aces. Skated thunder before ace. I went from the AF-1 Hollows to the Thunder Team Hollows. Here are things I noticed:
- Pinch way better on rails, ledges, transition
- Pop is snappier, quicker. All my flat feels way better.
- Don't mind the wide arcing Thunder turning, I actually quite like it and how it rebounds to center. Stable as fuck, but stil responsive.
- How light they are, flips easier, takes less energy.
As i'm getting older, I think thunders just make more sense. Less cumulative energy usage over the duration of a long session and less effort put into trying to flip a heavy ass set up. I think gifted hater said skate aces just makes things harder for yourself. I'm inclined to agree.[close]
agree with a lot of this.
i had so many different ace setups that i just couldn’t ever get the pop right. the pop leverage with thunders just works best for me.
tbf i had some miracle feeling ace completes, but orettt much only on really short wb’s.
ace does feel like it makes a lot more difficult
Anyone got recc’s for bushings that don’t freeze in the cold like the stock do? Not TOO worried about messing with geo but ideally something close to stock. Indy bushings freeze too.
Any tips on what bushings to use if i wanna keep the geometry the same? I hate the stock ones because they always blow up on me
Any tips on what bushings to use if i wanna keep the geometry the same? I hate the stock ones because they always blow up on me
Wade's knows control
https://youtu.be/Ki_vLS6u-CE?si=LqVkh6pO23bISOel
Been skating Indy standards recently and it blew me away how amazing they are for tailslides. The way the baseplate slides on the edge of ledges makes it a breeze to lock in and hold slides to the point where you need way less wax to get through the ledge. I’ve noticed most nose & tailslides with Thunders tend lock in where your wheels are sliding on the edge making it a bit stickier, where you need to “push” through the slide a bit more instead of just sitting on top.
Just some observations lol. Still prefer thunders overall but man I love being so solid/locked in with the Indy baseplate.
Expand QuoteWade's knows control
https://youtu.be/Ki_vLS6u-CE?si=LqVkh6pO23bISOel[close]
fuuuuck
Expand QuoteBeen skating Indy standards recently and it blew me away how amazing they are for tailslides. The way the baseplate slides on the edge of ledges makes it a breeze to lock in and hold slides to the point where you need way less wax to get through the ledge. I’ve noticed most nose & tailslides with Thunders tend lock in where your wheels are sliding on the edge making it a bit stickier, where you need to “push” through the slide a bit more instead of just sitting on top.
Just some observations lol. Still prefer thunders overall but man I love being so solid/locked in with the Indy baseplate.[close]
On smooth ledges the baseplate is good, on chunky stuff it can catch. You can never fully win with anything it seems.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWade's knows control
https://youtu.be/Ki_vLS6u-CE?si=LqVkh6pO23bISOel[close]
fuuuuck[close]
It's all about technique with them...see, Wade here doesn't worry about his wheels sliding because he (same for me) doesn't lock the plate, but instead, tips back on the kick to leverage the fingers of flat and rest on the flat of the kick.
(https://i.ibb.co/TmY7QXh/Screenshot-2023-10-13-104520.png) (https://ibb.co/TmY7QXh)
My first thought was they look like 149‘s to me
Any tips on what bushings to use if i wanna keep the geometry the same? I hate the stock ones because they always blow up on me
My first thought was they look like 149‘s to me
Anyone got some advice? I really like the way my thunders pop and skate on flat but on transition they’re kinda messing with me.I have found that truck width and board shape can fuck up bs 5-0s for sure.
For starters, i can’t seem to really find the places I normally pinch my stalls. Like bs 5-0 on the heel. Sometimes I’ll just miss and get my full truck on instead of my heel. Also holding grinds on transition just seems way harder, almost as if I’m too pinched in if that makes sense.
Thinking maybe I need different wheels or different board shape or something.
I have found that truck width and board shape can fuck up bs 5-0s for sure.Expand QuoteAnyone got some advice? I really like the way my thunders pop and skate on flat but on transition they’re kinda messing with me.
For starters, i can’t seem to really find the places I normally pinch my stalls. Like bs 5-0 on the heel. Sometimes I’ll just miss and get my full truck on instead of my heel. Also holding grinds on transition just seems way harder, almost as if I’m too pinched in if that makes sense.
Thinking maybe I need different wheels or different board shape or something.[close]
Did you ride the exact same setup before or did you change anything else? There really shouldn't be any difference in how you hold a bs 5-0 if only the truck height changed (and a tiny wheelbase difference...). Which trucks did you ride before?
Wade rides 8.38 Primitive (14.1825" wb, 6.75"t, 7" n) on Thunder HL 148s with Rictas that are Radial Slim styled wheel like this:
https://nhsskatedirect.ca/products/51mm-desarmo-vortex-naturals-white-slim-99a-skateboard-wheels-ricta
I have taken lots of pictures of his setup he often posts it on instagram and I ride his exact board (spencer uses this shape too) except with Team Thunders + spitfire classics instead.
Expand QuoteWade rides 8.38 Primitive (14.1825" wb, 6.75"t, 7" n) on Thunder HL 148s with Rictas that are Radial Slim styled wheel like this:
https://nhsskatedirect.ca/products/51mm-desarmo-vortex-naturals-white-slim-99a-skateboard-wheels-ricta
I have taken lots of pictures of his setup he often posts it on instagram and I ride his exact board (spencer uses this shape too) except with Team Thunders + spitfire classics instead.[close]
thanks for the info. i appreciate the wade setup responses!
spencer skates indy
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWade rides 8.38 Primitive (14.1825" wb, 6.75"t, 7" n) on Thunder HL 148s with Rictas that are Radial Slim styled wheel like this:
https://nhsskatedirect.ca/products/51mm-desarmo-vortex-naturals-white-slim-99a-skateboard-wheels-ricta
I have taken lots of pictures of his setup he often posts it on instagram and I ride his exact board (spencer uses this shape too) except with Team Thunders + spitfire classics instead.[close]
thanks for the info. i appreciate the wade setup responses!
spencer skates indy[close]
@ok Maybe I should swap to my rictas eh? ;)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWade rides 8.38 Primitive (14.1825" wb, 6.75"t, 7" n) on Thunder HL 148s with Rictas that are Radial Slim styled wheel like this:
https://nhsskatedirect.ca/products/51mm-desarmo-vortex-naturals-white-slim-99a-skateboard-wheels-ricta
I have taken lots of pictures of his setup he often posts it on instagram and I ride his exact board (spencer uses this shape too) except with Team Thunders + spitfire classics instead.[close]
thanks for the info. i appreciate the wade setup responses!
spencer skates indy[close]
@ok Maybe I should swap to my rictas eh? ;)[close]
i’m about to buy some for serious. you know this. i’ve got some new in the package 54 f4 classics and i’ve realized i’m never going to skate vert.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWade rides 8.38 Primitive (14.1825" wb, 6.75"t, 7" n) on Thunder HL 148s with Rictas that are Radial Slim styled wheel like this:
https://nhsskatedirect.ca/products/51mm-desarmo-vortex-naturals-white-slim-99a-skateboard-wheels-ricta
I have taken lots of pictures of his setup he often posts it on instagram and I ride his exact board (spencer uses this shape too) except with Team Thunders + spitfire classics instead.[close]
thanks for the info. i appreciate the wade setup responses!
spencer skates indy[close]
@ok Maybe I should swap to my rictas eh? ;)[close]
i’m about to buy some for serious. you know this. i’ve got some new in the package 54 f4 classics and i’ve realized i’m never going to skate vert.[close]
Set those 54s up on the street with some risers and haul some ass ;)
I've ran 54 and Thunders just fine, Foy does 55 and no risers.
Is there a particular wheel shape you all like for thunder?Insane question.
Bro said the hardest wheels to purchaseInsane question.Expand QuoteIs there a particular wheel shape you all like for thunder?[close]
Only radial slims and classic fulls of course
Bro said the hardest wheels to purchaseExpand QuoteInsane question.Expand QuoteIs there a particular wheel shape you all like for thunder?[close]
Only radial slims and classic fulls of course[close]
I've ran 54 and Thunders just fine, Foy does 55 and no risers.
Is there a particular wheel shape you all like for thunder?
Expand QuoteI've ran 54 and Thunders just fine, Foy does 55 and no risers.[close]
I've done 55 Classics on Thunders and it was fine. I skate pretty loose trucks too.
As far as preferred wheel shape I don't know how much that has to do with my trucks but I think I skate best on the Classic shape. I've tried the big wide wheels everyone likes and I felt like I just kept missing my truck on grinds, plus it took way more effort to pop and flip. Plus I just think they look nicer.
Expand QuoteI've ran 54 and Thunders just fine, Foy does 55 and no risers.[close]
yeah but you guys are good.
Thats strange... I ride 148 with 50-51mm wheels (worn down ofc), and I get wheelbite all the time. Dont even ride that loose.
I can get wheelbite on any truck. Its more about whether it stops me in my tracks or I can ride it out. I find it easier to ride out with Thunders/Ventures than Indy/Ace so its whatever
Doesn't Joey O'Brien ride 147s? All the clips I see he is on the 8 inch deck. I wonder what size wheels he rides?
Expand QuoteDoesn't Joey O'Brien ride 147s? All the clips I see he is on the 8 inch deck. I wonder what size wheels he rides?[close]
i mean looks like it. he’s so sick. and because i’m a nut job, i like that he skated 8s and thunders. i’d guess 53s?
team plates probably make more sense than the forged i have. but i’d still wheelbite cuz i’m terrible.
former on 147 teams too i think.
again, very good. very very good
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoesn't Joey O'Brien ride 147s? All the clips I see he is on the 8 inch deck. I wonder what size wheels he rides?[close]
i mean looks like it. he’s so sick. and because i’m a nut job, i like that he skated 8s and thunders. i’d guess 53s?
team plates probably make more sense than the forged i have. but i’d still wheelbite cuz i’m terrible.
former on 147 teams too i think.
again, very good. very very good[close]
He skates and 8.25-8.375 with 148. Asked him on IG.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoesn't Joey O'Brien ride 147s? All the clips I see he is on the 8 inch deck. I wonder what size wheels he rides?[close]
i mean looks like it. he’s so sick. and because i’m a nut job, i like that he skated 8s and thunders. i’d guess 53s?
team plates probably make more sense than the forged i have. but i’d still wheelbite cuz i’m terrible.
former on 147 teams too i think.
again, very good. very very good[close]
He skates and 8.25-8.375 with 148. Asked him on IG.[close]
Huh. Maybe he upped it recently. I recall him skating his yellow and green beetle board and the orange Thrasher Visitor board. Both of those are 8s. Either way, he rips.
might be an insane ask, but as anyone tried thunder hangers on the new royal baseplates?Just tried to fit them with royal, thunder and bones bushings. I would say it’s a no-go. Couldn’t get the hanger to not butt up against the kingpin.
thanks for trying. i know its probably a user problem, but since i run 54's on thunders i always feel like i snag the wheels before sliding nose or tail. was hoping this could work.Just tried to fit them with royal, thunder and bones bushings. I would say it’s a no-go. Couldn’t get the hanger to not butt up against the kingpin.Expand Quotemight be an insane ask, but as anyone tried thunder hangers on the new royal baseplates?[close]
thanks for trying. i know its probably a user problem, but since i run 54's on thunders i always feel like i snag the wheels before sliding nose or tail. was hoping this could work.Expand QuoteJust tried to fit them with royal, thunder and bones bushings. I would say it’s a no-go. Couldn’t get the hanger to not butt up against the kingpin.Expand Quotemight be an insane ask, but as anyone tried thunder hangers on the new royal baseplates?[close][close]
thanks for trying. i know its probably a user problem, but since i run 54's on thunders i always feel like i snag the wheels before sliding nose or tail. was hoping this could work.Expand QuoteJust tried to fit them with royal, thunder and bones bushings. I would say it’s a no-go. Couldn’t get the hanger to not butt up against the kingpin.Expand Quotemight be an insane ask, but as anyone tried thunder hangers on the new royal baseplates?[close][close]
Expand Quotethanks for trying. i know its probably a user problem, but since i run 54's on thunders i always feel like i snag the wheels before sliding nose or tail. was hoping this could work.Expand QuoteJust tried to fit them with royal, thunder and bones bushings. I would say it’s a no-go. Couldn’t get the hanger to not butt up against the kingpin.Expand Quotemight be an insane ask, but as anyone tried thunder hangers on the new royal baseplates?[close][close][close]
Shit you not, skated thunder hanger on a venture baseplate and didn't realize it. Be fore i skated the board i switched hangers on the front truck of my venture setup to a thunder just to see if it would look too wimpy. Then i skated for like an hour. Not bad actually. Cant remember if the baseplit slid before the wheels though
Expand Quotethanks for trying. i know its probably a user problem, but since i run 54's on thunders i always feel like i snag the wheels before sliding nose or tail. was hoping this could work.Expand QuoteJust tried to fit them with royal, thunder and bones bushings. I would say it’s a no-go. Couldn’t get the hanger to not butt up against the kingpin.Expand Quotemight be an insane ask, but as anyone tried thunder hangers on the new royal baseplates?[close][close][close]
Shit you not, skated thunder hanger on a venture baseplate and didn't realize it. Be fore i skated the board i switched hangers on the front truck of my venture setup to a thunder just to see if it would look too wimpy. Then i skated for like an hour. Not bad actually. Cant remember if the baseplit slid before the wheels though
Yup, I'm the socio - when all you do is follow me around the forum, posting almost right after me, every time, to counter (seriously go look at my posts, there you are.... Seek help.
What bushings are those of you who are in colder climates going to run this winter?
What bushings are those of you who are in colder climates going to run this winter?Ace low bushings work perfectly, if you want the bottom bushing to be the same size, put an extra flat washer underneath.
Ace low bushings work perfectly, if you want the bottom bushing to be the same size, put an extra flat washer underneath.Expand QuoteWhat bushings are those of you who are in colder climates going to run this winter?[close]
Expand QuoteYup, I'm the socio - when all you do is follow me around the forum, posting almost right after me, every time, to counter (seriously go look at my posts, there you are.... Seek help.[close]
Anyone on a 14inch wheelbase with 147's (normal baseplate)? Typically on boards with short wheelbases and short tails. Currently on venture lows. I like being lower to the ground but I just can't adjust to the pop feel on the ventures.this was my go-to setup for a long time before i switched to Ventures.
Anyone here running 161s, specifically on 8.75 decks? Thinking about grabbing a pair when I hit axle on my current 151s. Liking the idea of the extra height.
Found this photo in Thrasher. Looks like the next Thunder is going to be awesome. The baseplate is drilled back for better nose/tail slides. Inverted king pin that’s set at very subtle angle that should make em feel real swervetastic. Can’t wait to see more.
Expand QuoteAce low bushings work perfectly, if you want the bottom bushing to be the same size, put an extra flat washer underneath.Expand QuoteWhat bushings are those of you who are in colder climates going to run this winter?[close][close]
Can confirm on ace low bushings. I use the normal tall ace bushings and just cut the top bushing which gives the same result.
I'd always cut the top. It's easier to use a wider washer than have the bottom potentially squirm through the hanger hole.
Found this photo in Thrasher. Looks like the next Thunder is going to be awesome. The baseplate is drilled back for better nose/tail slides. Inverted king pin that’s set at very subtle angle that should make em feel real swervetastic. Can’t wait to see more.
(https://i.ibb.co/LpFNYyb/IMG-0673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WKhVGXq)
Expand QuoteI'd always cut the top. It's easier to use a wider washer than have the bottom potentially squirm through the hanger hole.[close]
But a wider washer can cause that clicking (at the hanger)?
Found this photo in Thrasher. Looks like the next Thunder is going to be awesome. The baseplate is drilled back for better nose/tail slides. Inverted king pin that’s set at very subtle angle that should make em feel real swervetastic. Can’t wait to see more.Looks like a Thunder hangar on Independent inverted kingpin baseplates.
(https://i.ibb.co/LpFNYyb/IMG-0673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WKhVGXq)
Really hope Thunder doesn’t change, especially not to become more like an Indy (higher, longer baseplate for “better” slides both of which would probably increase weight). They’re perfect at what they do- being a lower-mid height snappy and light truck that feels good for technical skating. I especially don’t want an IKP, which seem to be unreliable and sucky most of the time truck brands try them. People have been doing smiths and feebles just fine for decades on regular old broken in kingpins, we don’t need ‘em.
A higher turnier Thunder has me drooling a little.
Expand QuoteA higher turnier Thunder has me drooling a little.[close]
Wouldn't risers fix the height, tho? And give a bit more turning radius.
Really hope Thunder doesn’t change, especially not to become more like an Indy (higher, longer baseplate for “better” slides both of which would probably increase weight). They’re perfect at what they do- being a lower-mid height snappy and light truck that feels good for technical skating. I especially don’t want an IKP, which seem to be unreliable and sucky most of the time truck brands try them. People have been doing smiths and feebles just fine for decades on regular old broken in kingpins, we don’t need ‘em.
Thunders are great as is. No need to change them tbh. Anyone complaining about the baseplate thing just needs to change their technique.
Yeah that geometry is super off. Extreme chance of hang up. Sure looks like an indy baseplateLooks like a Thunder hangar on Independent inverted kingpin baseplates.Expand QuoteFound this photo in Thrasher. Looks like the next Thunder is going to be awesome. The baseplate is drilled back for better nose/tail slides. Inverted king pin that’s set at very subtle angle that should make em feel real swervetastic. Can’t wait to see more.
(https://i.ibb.co/LpFNYyb/IMG-0673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WKhVGXq)[close]
Yeah that geometry is super off. Extreme chance of hang up. Sure looks like an indy baseplateExpand QuoteLooks like a Thunder hangar on Independent inverted kingpin baseplates.Expand QuoteFound this photo in Thrasher. Looks like the next Thunder is going to be awesome. The baseplate is drilled back for better nose/tail slides. Inverted king pin that’s set at very subtle angle that should make em feel real swervetastic. Can’t wait to see more.[close][close]
The baseplate on extreme zoom looks like it has THU... so it is Thunder, but as to anything else, I guess we will just wait and see.
Expand QuoteThe baseplate on extreme zoom looks like it has THU... so it is Thunder, but as to anything else, I guess we will just wait and see.[close]
It's not THU. It's TRU.
(https://i.ibb.co/zFVrqBK/62350-1800x.webp) (https://ibb.co/KDxXTfC)
It has a bolt and washer that is thinner and more angular than Indy. Those are definitely the T2 and look similar to pics I have seen prior. You can tell it's not an Indy plate because the area near the pivot cup is curved much like the old Thunder plates whereas Indy are squared off.
Judging by the stickers and deck that looks like Gerwer's board.
Whose board is it? They look like Independents to me.They look like Aces to me lol
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA higher turnier Thunder has me drooling a little.[close]
Wouldn't risers fix the height, tho? And give a bit more turning radius.[close]
They do, yes. I always use 1/8" risers on Thunders. But they could be even better with slightly modified geometry.
Hey Deluxe dudes, how about some samples of the new Thunders for the Slap Pals to review proper?
Yes DLX send some samples of your in-testing stage product to a bunch of chatty, fussy, opinionated guys with untested talent on a board who love to complain. No really, DLX, send us some.
Trucks should evolve as skateboarding evolves and sometimes devolves.
Thunders were always a quicker turning. more stable alternative to Indy but were a very different beast when they came out. ..
Because Wheel shape and contact width influences the feel of a turn. We had this convo already and it went south pretty quick with dismissive talk of "My buddy is a race car mechanic."
It remains pretty amusing to me but thank you for the counseling. Also, its still a topic of convo so I'll keep jumping in, thanks.
Expand QuoteIt remains pretty amusing to me but thank you for the counseling. Also, its still a topic of convo so I'll keep jumping in, thanks.[close]
Best to let it go. I'm not going to engage in the argument again mostly because its a waste of time, but also because I didn't present my own point well and came off pretty lame and would rather use it as a learning experience and move on then rehash.
I don't follow this- why is a wheel better or worse on one truck than the other? I don't think I've ever had a specific wheel preference for a specific truck just get used to whatever is on there.i prefer classics (52mm) on my Venture set up; i prefer conical fulls or bigger wheels (53mm+) on my Ace set up. I can swap them sure and get used to it, yes, but do I want to? not really. since Ventures have a heavier pop feel, its nicer imo to have a skinny or more nimble shaped wheel.
I hated my Aces with conical fulls and fucking love them on my Thunders. In the same vein, I hate classics on my Thunders and love them on my Aces.
I just got a GX 8.5 with some mellow kicks, by far the most mellow board i've had in a while. i've heard good things about the pairings of mellow + thunders so i'm excited to set this bad boy up
Expand QuoteI just got a GX 8.5 with some mellow kicks, by far the most mellow board i've had in a while. i've heard good things about the pairings of mellow + thunders so i'm excited to set this bad boy up[close]
Interestingly I heard the opposite some time ago. Heard steeper kicks and Thunders worked better, where Venture Hi and Indy are good on mellow kicks/concave
Since Thunder no longer makes the Team Titanium (yes they actually did) I put a set of team hollows on my Christmas list to devolve my Titanium lights back to Team Titaniums... I miss the height of the Indy, but refuse to use risers 8)
Thunders pair well with any kicks. They're probably the most middle ground in every way imaginable. Longer than Ace/Indy but shorter than Venture. Proper mid height. Fairly generic design with no cool wings or thick ass hanger barrels. They rarely are a bad combo with a given deck even if they're not the best. That's why I love em.Good take. All I’m hoping for with the new Thunder design is a slightly longer baseplate for slides (just enough so the geo isn’t thrown off), a bit of a taller height say at 53.5mm, and more durable bushings. Even with cast plates, they still feel a tad bit low (I ride 148’s). An increase of a couple mills wouldn’t be too drastic of a change, all while still keeping their low to the ground feel.
If the T2 keeps this theme then we're at near perfection.
Thunders pair well with any kicks. They're probably the most middle ground in every way imaginable. Longer than Ace/Indy but shorter than Venture. Proper mid height. Fairly generic design with no cool wings or thick ass hanger barrels. They rarely are a bad combo with a given deck even if they're not the best. That's why I love em.
If the T2 keeps this theme then we're at near perfection.
The cast plates are not 53.5 on any Thunder. All cast Thunders use the same plates and are 52mm except the 147, which are lower from the hanger being different.My bad, got my info about the baseplate heights from this slap thread: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=104383.0
I love the height, 53 sounds fine as well.
My bad, got my info about the baseplate heights from this slap thread: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=104383.0Expand QuoteThe cast plates are not 53.5 on any Thunder. All cast Thunders use the same plates and are 52mm except the 147, which are lower from the hanger being different.
I love the height, 53 sounds fine as well.[close]
Checked the Thunder website and it appears only the 161’s (9.125) are the only size that do not come with a 52mm tall plate, with the 161’s coming at 53mm tall. https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/
Everyone that has skateboardedThundersin more than 1 temp range has experienced frozen bushings in the cold or mushy bushings in the heat.
Yeah. 151s with risers is a combo I rocked for a long long time. Loved it.
Expand QuoteEveryone that has skateboardedThundersin more than 1 temp range has experienced frozen bushings in the cold or mushy bushings in the heat.[close]
I remember last year I was skating in November and it got to 45-55 in the mornings and I had to loosen my Thunders substantially. We went to Miami over Thanksgiving for a wedding and I forgot about that and threw my board down out of the car to push to skatepark and instantly wheelbit. They felt so comically loose that I couldn't skate them. Tightened them 2-3 full turns. Came back and went out in 45 degree weather again and my board would not turn the wheels would lift first. Its not a big deal, you just have to kinda remember it.
My friend lives in a place that gets super cold and just takes the bottom washer out in the winter. Same exact nut position on the kingpin.
I think im done with thunder bushings…
I ride pretty loose trucks and theyre great when its warm, but man even when the temp gets below like 50 they just harden up so much for me. I switched them with some bones softs and was able to make the nut and kingpin flush and theyre perfect.
Anyone else with similar experience?
I just switched back to thunders and I'm looking for some risers that fit. I have some with the slotted holes but those move around after doing nose/tail slides. Besides the Real wood risers are there any other brands that fit exact?Nope, just use any scissor or knife to easily cut them to fit
I really want to know what scissors or knife you use to easily cut off 1/8" of plastic. Haven't tried in awhile but I remember it being a sweat inducing affair.Nope, just use any scissor or knife to easily cut them to fitExpand QuoteI just switched back to thunders and I'm looking for some risers that fit. I have some with the slotted holes but those move around after doing nose/tail slides. Besides the Real wood risers are there any other brands that fit exact?[close]
I just switched back to thunders and I'm looking for some risers that fit. I have some with the slotted holes but those move around after doing nose/tail slides. Besides the Real wood risers are there any other brands that fit exact?
Expand QuoteI just switched back to thunders and I'm looking for some risers that fit. I have some with the slotted holes but those move around after doing nose/tail slides. Besides the Real wood risers are there any other brands that fit exact?[close]
How much height do you want?
I cut up some rubber sheet scraps that is a good 2 mm thick that works great. Used a hole punch to do the holes too.
The Bones or Mini Logo 1/10" or something like that are good and did fit well under Thunders from what I can recall - even have the slotted holes and are softer, not harder, so they don't move at all.
They do seem harder to get in some areas though.
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-10-rubber-riser-2-pack
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I appreciate the input but I just wanted to see if any other brands would fit thunders the way the Indy risers only have holes for Indy instead of the slotted holes. I'm either gonna buy the real 3 ply risers or just diy some with a punch.
He might be testing some boards, from the last pic. And therefore also testing trucksI saw some 14 wb decks in that pile from the post. Maybe he's using thunders on those since indy's might inset it too much for him.
The last couple times I tried my luck with thunders, a big gripe I had was with the bushings, they would just crack/split/crumble way too easily for me.
However, I've had no issues with the bushings in the last two sets I've bought (not yet anyway) and I think this might be because I broke them in differently. Instead of tightening them to feel good from the start, I just adjusted the kingpin nut down to almost flush with the pin, a little above the pin actually. And let the bushings do their thing.
That first sesh was pretty loosely goosey, but they firmed up considerably within an hour of skating. I have the kingpin nut just slightly tighter now, more or less flush and they feel great. On the previous sets I had issues with I had to have a thread or two showing for them to feel ok.
Starting to think I was just crushing the bushings and not letting them break in properly.
Expand QuoteThe last couple times I tried my luck with thunders, a big gripe I had was with the bushings, they would just crack/split/crumble way too easily for me.
However, I've had no issues with the bushings in the last two sets I've bought (not yet anyway) and I think this might be because I broke them in differently. Instead of tightening them to feel good from the start, I just adjusted the kingpin nut down to almost flush with the pin, a little above the pin actually. And let the bushings do their thing.
That first sesh was pretty loosely goosey, but they firmed up considerably within an hour of skating. I have the kingpin nut just slightly tighter now, more or less flush and they feel great. On the previous sets I had issues with I had to have a thread or two showing for them to feel ok.
Starting to think I was just crushing the bushings and not letting them break in properly.[close]
this is the correct way.
in my experience, cranking them right out the gate, leads to splitting.
if someone wants really tight trucks, imo, they start with the hardest bushings they can get.
and then slowly tighten them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe last couple times I tried my luck with thunders, a big gripe I had was with the bushings, they would just crack/split/crumble way too easily for me.
However, I've had no issues with the bushings in the last two sets I've bought (not yet anyway) and I think this might be because I broke them in differently. Instead of tightening them to feel good from the start, I just adjusted the kingpin nut down to almost flush with the pin, a little above the pin actually. And let the bushings do their thing.
That first sesh was pretty loosely goosey, but they firmed up considerably within an hour of skating. I have the kingpin nut just slightly tighter now, more or less flush and they feel great. On the previous sets I had issues with I had to have a thread or two showing for them to feel ok.
Starting to think I was just crushing the bushings and not letting them break in properly.[close]
this is the correct way.
in my experience, cranking them right out the gate, leads to splitting.
if someone wants really tight trucks, imo, they start with the hardest bushings they can get.
and then slowly tighten them.[close]
you guys get it!
i break in my bushings the same way. Eversince i do this i never had issues with my bushings. Just gotta let them get used to being squeezed and so.
also translucent blue ones seem to be the best to me personally. Think foy talks about that in his 9 club interview. could be totally in my head but i feel like they are performing/ lasting the best
red translucent that come in that backup set thunder is doing are super soft compared to the blue ones even though they are both labeled 90a. good thin is that they tend to freeze up less in winter!
Yeah I was gonna say I just ride them basically flush, i kinda end up with the front one slightly looser than the back but its not a huge deal. I havent had any issue with my thunder bushings at all and i skated em in some pretty cold weather. I never found that I needed to tighten these trucks at all because I am used to riding 8.75" indys / Ace at the stock setting.
imo if you want tight, just ride skinny trucks like 8". if you have a wide board it will look like shit if you skate it with tight trucks and it will still feel really turny no matter how hard you tighten it. There is this guy in my town who rides 8" Ace 33 and he CRANKS them down like crazy, like 5-6 threads at least, maybe more. i dont even see the point in riding aces if you are just going to do that. you might as well just ride ventures or thunders.
I have a set of 5.2 Ventures on ice and have been tempted to set them up. To anyone who switched from thunders to venture, is the transition worth it? I mean, besides getting less wheelbite and the extended baseplate...
There is no credible eta, or specs, for a revised thunder; anything posted in this thread about either is all speculation.
I have a set of 5.2 Ventures on ice and have been tempted to set them up. To anyone who switched from thunders to venture, is the transition worth it? I mean, besides getting less wheelbite and the extended baseplate...
Expand QuoteThere is no credible eta, or specs, for a revised thunder; anything posted in this thread about either is all speculation.[close]
Just saw the Summer 2024 Drop 1 Thunder catalog and there is no indication of a new remodeled truck... Not that that is definitive...
I've seen catalogs get taken down before, so obviously things could change.
I have a set of 5.2 Ventures on ice and have been tempted to set them up. To anyone who switched from thunders to venture, is the transition worth it? I mean, besides getting less wheelbite and the extended baseplate...
Expand QuoteI have a set of 5.2 Ventures on ice and have been tempted to set them up. To anyone who switched from thunders to venture, is the transition worth it? I mean, besides getting less wheelbite and the extended baseplate...[close]
I’ve tried swapping to Venture a couple of times… love the added stability but they always feel heavy/clunky to me on flip tricks after a while and i find the difference on slides to be pretty negligible but I only skate wheels 53mm or smaller so YMMV
Expand QuoteYeah I was gonna say I just ride them basically flush, i kinda end up with the front one slightly looser than the back but its not a huge deal. I havent had any issue with my thunder bushings at all and i skated em in some pretty cold weather. I never found that I needed to tighten these trucks at all because I am used to riding 8.75" indys / Ace at the stock setting.
imo if you want tight, just ride skinny trucks like 8". if you have a wide board it will look like shit if you skate it with tight trucks and it will still feel really turny no matter how hard you tighten it. There is this guy in my town who rides 8" Ace 33 and he CRANKS them down like crazy, like 5-6 threads at least, maybe more. i dont even see the point in riding aces if you are just going to do that. you might as well just ride ventures or thunders.[close]
Homie on that Bam Margera setup
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=128939.0
scroll down, second slide
Can anybody here skate thunders and ventures on the same deck? Every time I tried ventures on a setup that feels good on thunders, it felt like shit. I have to go with a shorter wb/longer kicks for ventures to feel good.
Other way around as well. If I use thunders on a venture-setup it feels uncontrollably light.
I want to put some Indy Conical blues at the bottom of my 148s Hollow Lights. They also measure 14mm like Thunder bottom bushings. The top bushing is currently a Ace 94 which I cut down like 3mm.
I think Thunders need Conical bottom bushings, if I put Cylinder bushings at the bottom, I would get a less surfy Indy. The Thunder stock bushings feel a bit weird and soft to me, but maybe I should break them in for a few sessions? I am at 157 lbs now and like my trucks a bit more stable but also surfy if I want them too. Problem are all the crazy temperatures here in East Germany across the 4 seasons.
What do the pals think about that?
Has anyone else tried aftermarket Indy barrel bushings on your thunders? This is my current combination, with super soft white and it feels pretty similar to stock imo.
Wish I'd read this thread before skating my new 147s! I busted the top bushing on the back truck on the first session today. I didn't crank them down, basically a hair past flush. You learn the hard way sometimes I guess. I'm probably gonna order the replacement 94du's.
I will say I skated Thunders for years in the early 2000s and never had a single issue with the old 145s. I never heard anyone complain about their bushings either. I wonder if they've changed.
I have a set of 5.2 Ventures on ice and have been tempted to set them up. To anyone who switched from thunders to venture, is the transition worth it? I mean, besides getting less wheelbite and the extended baseplate...
Expand QuoteI have a set of 5.2 Ventures on ice and have been tempted to set them up. To anyone who switched from thunders to venture, is the transition worth it? I mean, besides getting less wheelbite and the extended baseplate...[close]
Currently I think a month in. Skating the 5.2 hollow erythang/forged. I got used to the turning by now. That is one of the biggest change for me. The other big change is the obvious slower pop. My tre flips are affected. And lots of ghost pop. Almost every session ends with me thinking about going back to thunders. I skate a 14 Wheelbase and it still takes a bit of effort to press my tail.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have a set of 5.2 Ventures on ice and have been tempted to set them up. To anyone who switched from thunders to venture, is the transition worth it? I mean, besides getting less wheelbite and the extended baseplate...[close]
Currently I think a month in. Skating the 5.2 hollow erythang/forged. I got used to the turning by now. That is one of the biggest change for me. The other big change is the obvious slower pop. My tre flips are affected. And lots of ghost pop. Almost every session ends with me thinking about going back to thunders. I skate a 14 Wheelbase and it still takes a bit of effort to press my tail.[close]
I wonder if a more mellow board, or something with more fingers of flat would work better with those trucks?
Might be going a bit too far down a hole here, but I have definitely felt like some trucks paired better with some decks, so as much as something might have a 14" wb, a more mellow board with longer kicks will make those trucks feel a whole lot better, or at least did for me when I was trying different setups, which as you said, cause some issues with pop and certain tricks worked better than others.
Expand QuoteWish I'd read this thread before skating my new 147s! I busted the top bushing on the back truck on the first session today. I didn't crank them down, basically a hair past flush. You learn the hard way sometimes I guess. I'm probably gonna order the replacement 94du's.
I will say I skated Thunders for years in the early 2000s and never had a single issue with the old 145s. I never heard anyone complain about their bushings either. I wonder if they've changed.[close]
Thunder bushings have always cracked or broke faster than any other bushings from my experience but never after a single session. Maybe reach out to DLX customer support and see if they'll send you new ones?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWish I'd read this thread before skating my new 147s! I busted the top bushing on the back truck on the first session today. I didn't crank them down, basically a hair past flush. You learn the hard way sometimes I guess. I'm probably gonna order the replacement 94du's.
I will say I skated Thunders for years in the early 2000s and never had a single issue with the old 145s. I never heard anyone complain about their bushings either. I wonder if they've changed.[close]
Thunder bushings have always cracked or broke faster than any other bushings from my experience but never after a single session. Maybe reach out to DLX customer support and see if they'll send you new ones?[close]
I thought about that. I'm hesitant because honestly, this set of 147s was a warranty replacement from a set of trucks that I broke years ago. I found them in a box in the basement with the broken kingpin and thought, what the heck I'm gonna shoot em an email. They sent a new set right away, no questions asked. It feels petty to reach out about the bushings now! Maybe it shouldn't though.
Stock white 90a only...
If anyone wants to send me Stock whites when you go down bushing rabbit holes, I'll be happy to take them off your hands.
Expand QuoteStock white 90a only...
If anyone wants to send me Stock whites when you go down bushing rabbit holes, I'll be happy to take them off your hands.[close]
Is there something to this? I notice all the Thunder pro trucks have white bushings. My Guy Mariano ones also came with white bushings, but ive not skated them yet
Expand QuoteStock white 90a only...
If anyone wants to send me Stock whites when you go down bushing rabbit holes, I'll be happy to take them off your hands.[close]
Is there something to this? I notice all the Thunder pro trucks have white bushings. My Guy Mariano ones also came with white bushings, but ive not skated them yet
Hello Slap
I've skated Indys all my life, but have decided on trying some Thunders because my old ass legs struggle flipping my 8.6" deck with standard Indy 159s.
I've got a 8.25" deck on the courier and some 54mm Bones STF V3 wheels.
I thought some 148 Thunder team hollows would be the best to put with this deck and wheel combination, but I can only find one set in my country and it's the most expensive option, I can get hollow lights 20% cheaper but a lot of people talk about wheel bite with Thunders.
I plan to mostly flat ground with this setup and a little bit of park, would it be worth paying for the Thunder Team hollows? I would of thought if I need some more height, there is no harm in using raisers with the hollow lights but maybe I'm missing something about the geometry or physics etc?
Pretty nervous about trying Thunders, Indys have been a part of my life for 20 odd years... kind of feels like I'm thinking of cheating on Indy 🤣
Hello Slap
I've skated Indys all my life, but have decided on trying some Thunders because my old ass legs struggle flipping my 8.6" deck with standard Indy 159s.
I've got a 8.25" deck on the courier and some 54mm Bones STF V3 wheels.
I thought some 148 Thunder team hollows would be the best to put with this deck and wheel combination, but I can only find one set in my country and it's the most expensive option, I can get hollow lights 20% cheaper but a lot of people talk about wheel bite with Thunders.
I plan to mostly flat ground with this setup and a little bit of park, would it be worth paying for the Thunder Team hollows? I would of thought if I need some more height, there is no harm in using raisers with the hollow lights but maybe I'm missing something about the geometry or physics etc?
Pretty nervous about trying Thunders, Indys have been a part of my life for 20 odd years... kind of feels like I'm thinking of cheating on Indy 🤣
Hello Slap
I've skated Indys all my life, but have decided on trying some Thunders because my old ass legs struggle flipping my 8.6" deck with standard Indy 159s.
I've got a 8.25" deck on the courier and some 54mm Bones STF V3 wheels.
I thought some 148 Thunder team hollows would be the best to put with this deck and wheel combination, but I can only find one set in my country and it's the most expensive option, I can get hollow lights 20% cheaper but a lot of people talk about wheel bite with Thunders.
I plan to mostly flat ground with this setup and a little bit of park, would it be worth paying for the Thunder Team hollows? I would of thought if I need some more height, there is no harm in using raisers with the hollow lights but maybe I'm missing something about the geometry or physics etc?
Pretty nervous about trying Thunders, Indys have been a part of my life for 20 odd years... kind of feels like I'm thinking of cheating on Indy 🤣
Expand QuoteHello Slap
I've skated Indys all my life, but have decided on trying some Thunders because my old ass legs struggle flipping my 8.6" deck with standard Indy 159s.
I've got a 8.25" deck on the courier and some 54mm Bones STF V3 wheels.
I thought some 148 Thunder team hollows would be the best to put with this deck and wheel combination, but I can only find one set in my country and it's the most expensive option, I can get hollow lights 20% cheaper but a lot of people talk about wheel bite with Thunders.
I plan to mostly flat ground with this setup and a little bit of park, would it be worth paying for the Thunder Team hollows? I would of thought if I need some more height, there is no harm in using raisers with the hollow lights but maybe I'm missing something about the geometry or physics etc?
Pretty nervous about trying Thunders, Indys have been a part of my life for 20 odd years... kind of feels like I'm thinking of cheating on Indy 🤣[close]
Don't go chasing hollows, keep to the standards available everywhere.
Hello Slap
I've skated Indys all my life, but have decided on trying some Thunders because my old ass legs struggle flipping my 8.6" deck with standard Indy 159s.
I've got a 8.25" deck on the courier and some 54mm Bones STF V3 wheels.
I thought some 148 Thunder team hollows would be the best to put with this deck and wheel combination, but I can only find one set in my country and it's the most expensive option, I can get hollow lights 20% cheaper but a lot of people talk about wheel bite with Thunders.
I plan to mostly flat ground with this setup and a little bit of park, would it be worth paying for the Thunder Team hollows? I would of thought if I need some more height, there is no harm in using raisers with the hollow lights but maybe I'm missing something about the geometry or physics etc?
Pretty nervous about trying Thunders, Indys have been a part of my life for 20 odd years... kind of feels like I'm thinking of cheating on Indy 🤣
Honestly, if you're already sizing your whole setup down it's going to be a whole lot lighter already.
You could probably make do with thunder standards if that is your desired height and the team hollows are too expensive.
I think you're right in assuming the forged plates would be a bit too much.
I rode indys for the longest time, standard and forged plates. I've ridden thunder standards and team hollows for a little over a year now and def don't want them any lower/lighter. Team hollows almost feel too light for me in some situations. But that's what I'm on currently.
Don't go chasing hollows, keep to the standards available everywhere.
take mine with a large helping of salt: i’m not good, and i’ll find something about every truck that i try, that i like.
i have some thunder 148s that are are the forged baseplate/hollow kingpin, solid axle variant (lights), and they are great. i currently have them setup with some 56 spitfire classics, and yes i get wheelbite, but it is manageable. i also prefer the solid axle, on all trucks. the weight savings in the baseplate, and kingpin, along with the height reduction, is great for me.
i really like the height of the forged baseplate with the 148s.
i enjoy a lower truck.
i don’t like indys, in part because of the height. i liked older stages of indys that were lower.
now thunder 147s on a forged baseplate are a commitment, those are looooooow.
Trying hollow indys could be the solution, but if you're trying Thunder... 148 cast are still lighter than 159 (and 149) standard indys. Soo, do you enjoy the height on Indy or no? If so, grabbing the hollow lights and some DLX (or some other deluxe truck friendly brand) riser pads can give you the desired height, reudce wheelbite, and even add some weight if the hollow lights were "too light." Personally, hollow light Thunders are too light to me. They're Tech Deck toy light and are not responsive at all.
Hope that helps!
No harm in using risers. Actually coming from riding Indy for a long time, I would almost recommend risers on any Thunder trucks no matter what, but that is just me. Getting used to a lower truck is a funny thing, some people taking to it easily, others wheel bite every other landing, or even just rolling and anticipating having a bit more to lean than you actually do.
Any which way, Thunders are a good truck and as people have said, are lighter even in the most basic team editions than any Indy truck, as well as having a more narrow hanger on 8.25 wide compared to 8.75 wide trucks, so I wouldn't be going for ultra light so much as I would just be getting a decent set of trucks to get me through the testing of something new, again just my own thoughts on it.
Indy standards 55 mm in height, forged baseplates 53.5 mm, then Thunder team 52 and forged baseplate 50.5 mm so that is a significant step down in height no matter what you do, especially with 54 mm wheels.
Any which way, good luck with your new board. It will feel weird and you might think "Why did I get this?" but give it a few sessions before really making up your mind on anything, including tightening trucks, as the bushings do wear in nicely, it just takes a bit of time.
Coming from Indy and aces, are thunders going to really fuck up my noseslides and tail slides? Is venture the in between?
I came from Indy Forged Hollows to the Thunder 148 Hollow Lights. Same deck, same wheels as before and I absolutely loved my first session on the Thunders. My ankles didn't hurt as much afterwards and popping tricks felt easier to me. And due to the decreased height I felt more in control with my setup. But I changed the Thunder bushings to Indy 90 bottom and Indy 92 top. I think I leave the bushings now how they are. Conical bushings just feel a bit too loose and wobbly for my fragile ankles. This is just my experience.
*Just read that you beat cancer. Much respect to you and I wish you all the best for your future health mate. 🧡
Expand QuoteI came from Indy Forged Hollows to the Thunder 148 Hollow Lights. Same deck, same wheels as before and I absolutely loved my first session on the Thunders. My ankles didn't hurt as much afterwards and popping tricks felt easier to me. And due to the decreased height I felt more in control with my setup. But I changed the Thunder bushings to Indy 90 bottom and Indy 92 top. I think I leave the bushings now how they are. Conical bushings just feel a bit too loose and wobbly for my fragile ankles. This is just my experience.
*Just read that you beat cancer. Much respect to you and I wish you all the best for your future health mate. 🧡[close]
I pulled the trigger on the Standard Thunders, $41.70USD for a pair was too good of a deal to pass up. If I love them I can upgrade to hollow lights later if I feel the need and build another setup, I have 3 decks makes sense to have 3 sets of trucks, right? ;D
If I hate them I didn't invest much and my daughter or a random kid at the park inherits the Thunders.
Skate gear is crazy expensive here, you pay around $110-130USD for a deck, Indy Hollow Forged/Thunder Teams are around $100-110USD, Bronson G3 bearings are about $40USD, Bones Reds are $30USD, plain MOB grip is $15USD ::) My set of 55mm V5 X99 Bones wheels cost me about $68USD however I love those wheels, 100% worth it IMO.
Thank you, missing some body parts and I can't feel my fingers or toes 100% anymore but I can't complain, I should be dead I somehow beat it three times 8) I would not recommend it, chemotherapy is no joke.
143, 145, 147 are all lower hangers
148, 149, 151 are all "normal" at 52 mm tall on cast baseplates, 50.5 mm tall on forged baseplates
161 are taller at 53 mm tall on cast plates, 51.5 tall on forged baseplates
I have some friends in NZ and they always stock up when over here in AU, but love the prices even more in USA if they get to go on a longer / further away trip.
Just part of the differences in the dollar really, but I do feel like some areas / countries even / people / shops get screwed over more than others with different exchange rates, if it all comes from USA or even from China through USA, or in US dollars.
Good luck with your adventures anyway. Sometimes even just getting out for a really chilled out roll is enough for me, but you can never take anything for granted, like you could when you were a kid, that's for sure.
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143, 145, 147 are all lower hangers
148, 149, 151 are all "normal" at 52 mm tall on cast baseplates, 50.5 mm tall on forged baseplates
161 are taller at 53 mm tall on cast plates, 51.5 tall on forged baseplates[close]
Sorry to quote an old post but Thunder 151s are now listed as 53mm high on the website and in a Thunder IG post.
Did they mix things up? This is relevant to my madness...
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143, 145, 147 are all lower hangers
148, 149, 151 are all "normal" at 52 mm tall on cast baseplates, 50.5 mm tall on forged baseplates
161 are taller at 53 mm tall on cast plates, 51.5 tall on forged baseplates[close]
Sorry to quote an old post but Thunder 151s are now listed as 53mm high on the website and in a Thunder IG post.
Did they mix things up? This is relevant to my madness...
Expand QuoteI have some friends in NZ and they always stock up when over here in AU, but love the prices even more in USA if they get to go on a longer / further away trip.
Just part of the differences in the dollar really, but I do feel like some areas / countries even / people / shops get screwed over more than others with different exchange rates, if it all comes from USA or even from China through USA, or in US dollars.
Good luck with your adventures anyway. Sometimes even just getting out for a really chilled out roll is enough for me, but you can never take anything for granted, like you could when you were a kid, that's for sure.[close]
I had a chat on the phone a few month back with a guy who manages a chain of skate stores.
Apparently everything in the country comes from one AU distributor for the whole country, there is a bunch of additional shipping costs and skating isn't hugely popular, stores end up with a bunch of decks that don't move for ages so they go on clearance at near cost and they build that loss into the price of new model decks.
I've brought a few clearance decks at $30-$50USD off this guys company and if I don't like the shape, they have a free returns policy so it doesn't cost me anything.
I should of ordered those Thunders yesterday. My deck and wheels are on track to arrive tomorrow. People seem to have wildly different preferences with bushings in Thunders, I've never put much thought into it. I suppose I try stock and work from there.
Long time NZ legend Andrew Morrison is most likely the guy being talked about.
Check out his insta, or at least the brand list anyway:
https://www.instagram.com/irromdistribution/
Irrom Dist / Andrew Morrison
New Zealand Skateboard Distribution
Deluxe, Primitive, Baker Boys, Quasi, April, Tum Yeto, GX1000, AWS, Habitat, Top Heavy, Gas Giants
That's a heavy lineup of brands, even just Deluxe and Baker Boys alone would be significant, but anyway, hope you got your hands on some trucks and get your hands on some trucks and get to set up that board.
Oh cool I'll have to check him out, you seem to know your AU/NZ skating scene.
We finally rolling on Thunders in the down under 8) The couriers were delayed and they only arrived an hour ago.
It took every ounce of will power to not setup my new Dfg 8.25" Deck with the Indys, I don't think I would of lasted another day.
Creature 8.6" with 159 Indy Standards weighing in at 2.63KG
Dfg 8.25" with Thunder Standards weighing in at 2.41kg
That 220 grams feels substantially lighter, I was a little worried I'd lose some pop with the lower Thunders but nope she feels really nice.
The Thunders turn great, they feel different than the Indy but turn and feel really really nice still, I didnt touch the adjustment and I get a little wheel bite but it hasnt been enough to throw me yet.
However I only got a 20 mins ride around, my only complaint is it feels a little "tippy" I'll give it a few sessions see if I get used to it and then I might play around with bushings, and might also throw a 1mm shock pad under the trucks however the height feels nice.
I think I might prefer a more solid bottom bushing, maybe I'll try the Bones medium bottom bushings I have in a draw or a barrel bushing in the bottom but we will see.
Thanks for your help everyone. Feeling really stoked with this new setup. Wish I had time to go for a proper skate but I have responsibilities haha.
Anyone else not being able to get a hold of Thunder 94a bushings?
Thanks for the links, @Mbrimson88 ! I'm in Europe. None of the big German shops I ususally order from have them for quite some time now, as far as I can tell.
Thanks for the links, @Mbrimson88 ! I'm in Europe. None of the big German shops I ususally order from have them for quite some time now, as far as I can tell.
Expand QuoteThanks for the links, @Mbrimson88 ! I'm in Europe. None of the big German shops I ususally order from have them for quite some time now, as far as I can tell.[close]
Just cause I am a pain as well, would either of these two work for you?
I have both and they are ok - I don't use all the bright washers or nuts from the rebuild kit, just the bushings and pivot cups, or the Indy bushings in conical, which are pretty good too, but they are not the nice ice blue Thunder bushings, so I could easily see myself and others (or you) saying, yeah but no thanks.
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/thunder-95a-rebuilt-kit-bushings-blue-2-pack_p38797
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-standard-conical-hard-bushings-black-94a_p83999
Just had a session on some 151s for the first time in a long time... damn these things grind and pinch so well compared to Ace.... but even with 90a bushings they are way too tight for my tastes and the pop adjustment took a bit of effort. Nose and tail slides were just fine... Great for small wheels and short wheelbase decks.
If the Thunder re-tool is really happening, I might not be able to resist.
Expand QuoteJust had a session on some 151s for the first time in a long time... damn these things grind and pinch so well compared to Ace.... but even with 90a bushings they are way too tight for my tastes and the pop adjustment took a bit of effort. Nose and tail slides were just fine... Great for small wheels and short wheelbase decks.
If the Thunder re-tool is really happening, I might not be able to resist.[close]
151s on the huffer was my fave.
but. i never huffered with ace.
loved 151s
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks for the links, @Mbrimson88 ! I'm in Europe. None of the big German shops I ususally order from have them for quite some time now, as far as I can tell.[close]
Just cause I am a pain as well, would either of these two work for you?
I have both and they are ok - I don't use all the bright washers or nuts from the rebuild kit, just the bushings and pivot cups, or the Indy bushings in conical, which are pretty good too, but they are not the nice ice blue Thunder bushings, so I could easily see myself and others (or you) saying, yeah but no thanks.
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/thunder-95a-rebuilt-kit-bushings-blue-2-pack_p38797
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/independent-standard-conical-hard-bushings-black-94a_p83999[close]
Full on madness, but the rebuild kit bushings indeed look suspiciuos. I've been thinking about them, though. Just couldn't bring myself to pulling the trigger. I mean they look like chalky shit in this pic:
And w.r.t. the Indys: the fatter Thunder cones simply look more promising. Like the best compromise between the stability of barrels and the quickness of cones.
And, yes, I am a total sucker for the ice blue resp. the standard clear blue.
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Kingpin wiggles a bit but I didn’t notice after 1 session. I put blue loctite on the nut and I marked the top of the kingpin so we’ll see if this loosens up. Not epoxy, just nut in the baseplate. 90a aftermarket bushings.
Was an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.I spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.
I spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.Expand QuoteWas an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.[close]
Aces are fun to skate and I'm holding on to them to skate on occasion but I'm back on Thunders full time and won't be changing that probably ever.
Expand QuoteI spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.Expand QuoteWas an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.[close]
Aces are fun to skate and I'm holding on to them to skate on occasion but I'm back on Thunders full time and won't be changing that probably ever.[close]
I'm right there with ya.
I'd recommend trying the indy stage 4's on a cruiser setup if you havent already. I feel like they turn even better than ace.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.Expand QuoteWas an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.[close]
Aces are fun to skate and I'm holding on to them to skate on occasion but I'm back on Thunders full time and won't be changing that probably ever.[close]
I'm right there with ya.
I'd recommend trying the indy stage 4's on a cruiser setup if you havent already. I feel like they turn even better than ace.[close]
They definitely turn better than aces, aces really had us with that quick deep turn but the stage 4 are aces but SMOOTHER
It’s crazy that there is something of an upgrade
I mean it’s always preference in the end but the stage 4 are smoother and more stable from my experience
The thunder rebuild kit is nice though, didn’t realize I needed new pivot cups and they came in the kit and man what a change
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.Expand QuoteWas an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.[close]
Aces are fun to skate and I'm holding on to them to skate on occasion but I'm back on Thunders full time and won't be changing that probably ever.[close]
I'm right there with ya.
I'd recommend trying the indy stage 4's on a cruiser setup if you havent already. I feel like they turn even better than ace.[close]
They definitely turn better than aces, aces really had us with that quick deep turn but the stage 4 are aces but SMOOTHER
It’s crazy that there is something of an upgrade
I mean it’s always preference in the end but the stage 4 are smoother and more stable from my experience
The thunder rebuild kit is nice though, didn’t realize I needed new pivot cups and they came in the kit and man what a change
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.Expand QuoteWas an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.[close]
Aces are fun to skate and I'm holding on to them to skate on occasion but I'm back on Thunders full time and won't be changing that probably ever.[close]
I'm right there with ya.
I'd recommend trying the indy stage 4's on a cruiser setup if you havent already. I feel like they turn even better than ace.[close]
They definitely turn better than aces, aces really had us with that quick deep turn but the stage 4 are aces but SMOOTHER
It’s crazy that there is something of an upgrade
I mean it’s always preference in the end but the stage 4 are smoother and more stable from my experience
The thunder rebuild kit is nice though, didn’t realize I needed new pivot cups and they came in the kit and man what a change[close]
Honestly, I don’t think most put as much thought into pivot cup replacement as they should (not swapping from the get go but replacing due to wear).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.Expand QuoteWas an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.[close]
Aces are fun to skate and I'm holding on to them to skate on occasion but I'm back on Thunders full time and won't be changing that probably ever.[close]
I'm right there with ya.
I'd recommend trying the indy stage 4's on a cruiser setup if you havent already. I feel like they turn even better than ace.[close]
They definitely turn better than aces, aces really had us with that quick deep turn but the stage 4 are aces but SMOOTHER
It’s crazy that there is something of an upgrade
I mean it’s always preference in the end but the stage 4 are smoother and more stable from my experience
The thunder rebuild kit is nice though, didn’t realize I needed new pivot cups and they came in the kit and man what a change[close]
Honestly, I don’t think most put as much thought into pivot cup replacement as they should (not swapping from the get go but replacing due to wear).[close]
Yea, my first set of riptides showed me what a difference they can make. Though I haven't gotten a set for my thunders yet.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI spent the past 6 months or so skating Aces after 3+ years of Thunder. I randomly decided to skate my setup with Thunders that had been sitting untouched and it was crazy how much better I skated on it. Tricks were so much more consistent and popping and landing just felt "right". Even on a board with a 14.5" wheelbase that I expected the Thunders to not work well with felt better than the Aces.Expand QuoteWas an indy/ace guy before getting into thunders.
Recently had a board with a 14.5 wb which just felt too long for thunders so i threw the aces back on it.
I couldnt skate it for shit.
Ace turn was fun but god damn, i couldnt pop anything to save my life.
At this point i consider myself a full thunder convert, aside from cruisers/polarizer.
might end back up on indy/ace once i get old and stop popping my board.[close]
Aces are fun to skate and I'm holding on to them to skate on occasion but I'm back on Thunders full time and won't be changing that probably ever.[close]
I'm right there with ya.
I'd recommend trying the indy stage 4's on a cruiser setup if you havent already. I feel like they turn even better than ace.[close]
They definitely turn better than aces, aces really had us with that quick deep turn but the stage 4 are aces but SMOOTHER
It’s crazy that there is something of an upgrade
I mean it’s always preference in the end but the stage 4 are smoother and more stable from my experience
The thunder rebuild kit is nice though, didn’t realize I needed new pivot cups and they came in the kit and man what a change[close]
Honestly, I don’t think most put as much thought into pivot cup replacement as they should (not swapping from the get go but replacing due to wear).[close]
Yea, my first set of riptides showed me what a difference they can make. Though I haven't gotten a set for my thunders yet.[close]
never tried the riptides....yet!
since i usually skate my thunders for a year (and then swith them out for new ones) i end up sith the pivot cup breaking or turning starting to feel weird. couple years back i obsessed over bushings only when the turn don't feel right and some time later realized it was mostly pivot cups broken or rubbed through.
now i usually change them once after 6 months or so. lil wax in the cup and ready to go again, usually works like a charm.
plus it is the cheapest way to make your trucks last and perform. at least for me, don't slappy too much that i break bushings or some other shit and changing pivot cups always makes them feel like new (the good, broken in but new type).
truck madness over !
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well done. always and forever madness.
for what it is worth (zilch), the 148 lights, are excellent. in general i don’t get hyped on 8.25 trucks, but the thunders are as close to an anti-madness truck as i have had.
of course i rarely skate them, apparently i prefer to just slowly descend into madness….talking to myself, fighting invisible air goblins, both whilst skating painfully slowly and attempting what only i would know to be a nollie flip
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well done. always and forever madness.
for what it is worth (zilch), the 148 lights, are excellent. in general i don’t get hyped on 8.25 trucks, but the thunders are as close to an anti-madness truck as i have had.
of course i rarely skate them, apparently i prefer to just slowly descend into madness….talking to myself, fighting invisible air goblins, both whilst skating painfully slowly and attempting what only i would know to be a nollie flip[close]
Same I’m thinking thunder 147 are the best, ishod rides them, busenitz rides them, a lot of the guys we don’t expect actually ride them and I see why
They’re like the better version of mini logos/beginner trucks
And I’m thinking these are the ones, but no…Ride the best? Seeing everyone’s setup with aces, slappy are the new cool core trucks, my nostalgia making me want ventures or krux
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well done. always and forever madness.
for what it is worth (zilch), the 148 lights, are excellent. in general i don’t get hyped on 8.25 trucks, but the thunders are as close to an anti-madness truck as i have had.
of course i rarely skate them, apparently i prefer to just slowly descend into madness….talking to myself, fighting invisible air goblins, both whilst skating painfully slowly and attempting what only i would know to be a nollie flip[close]
Same I’m thinking thunder 147 are the best, ishod rides them, busenitz rides them, a lot of the guys we don’t expect actually ride them and I see why
They’re like the better version of mini logos/beginner trucks
And I’m thinking these are the ones, but no…Ride the best? Seeing everyone’s setup with aces, slappy are the new cool core trucks, my nostalgia making me want ventures or krux[close]
It’s crazy if people are considering slappy the new cool core trucks when the first move they made outside of releasing their first line was to sign an exclusive deal with zumiez. I stopped riding mine after that because I didn’t like how they responded when I asked if their new colorways would be available anywhere else.
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well done. always and forever madness.
for what it is worth (zilch), the 148 lights, are excellent. in general i don’t get hyped on 8.25 trucks, but the thunders are as close to an anti-madness truck as i have had.
of course i rarely skate them, apparently i prefer to just slowly descend into madness….talking to myself, fighting invisible air goblins, both whilst skating painfully slowly and attempting what only i would know to be a nollie flip[close]
Same I’m thinking thunder 147 are the best, ishod rides them, busenitz rides them, a lot of the guys we don’t expect actually ride them and I see why
They’re like the better version of mini logos/beginner trucks
And I’m thinking these are the ones, but no…Ride the best? Seeing everyone’s setup with aces, slappy are the new cool core trucks, my nostalgia making me want ventures or krux[close]
It’s crazy if people are considering slappy the new cool core trucks when the first move they made outside of releasing their first line was to sign an exclusive deal with zumiez. I stopped riding mine after that because I didn’t like how they responded when I asked if their new colorways would be available anywhere else.[close]
I had no idea, all I know is anyone who wasn’t riding the og 3 or aces was riding slappy and cause it was Mike Sinclair it was “by skaters for skaters” type deal but exclusive deal with zumiez???
Also Chris Cole rides thunders and he’s the best
my bad if this has been covered but does anyone know what aftermarket pivot cups are compatible with thunders? Cast baseplates if that makes a difference.
Just realized how much variation there could be when i saw how much more pointy Ace classics were compared to AF1 cups
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161 Hollow Lights
Aftermarket 90a Thunder bushings
Real 1/8" wooden riser pads to make up for the shorter height of hollows (I feel zero difference between these pads and normal plastic ones)
I like Thunder because they work. Zero gimmicks and it's perfect for everything.
I’m back thunder gang.
97a thunder bushings/bones flat washers (bit thinner so I can get more king nut engagement without cranking them down).
I should have nabbed these sooner; much better than the 94s some how, more responsive but just as stable.
(https://i.ibb.co/CtT50YW/IMG-6003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CtT50YW)
I’m back thunder gang.
97a thunder bushings/bones flat washers (bit thinner so I can get more king nut engagement without cranking them down).
I should have nabbed these sooner; much better than the 94s some how, more responsive but just as stable.
(https://i.ibb.co/CtT50YW/IMG-6003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CtT50YW)
Expand QuoteI’m back thunder gang.
97a thunder bushings/bones flat washers (bit thinner so I can get more king nut engagement without cranking them down).
I should have nabbed these sooner; much better than the 94s some how, more responsive but just as stable.
(https://i.ibb.co/CtT50YW/IMG-6003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CtT50YW)[close]
148s?
what size wheels?
i was skating 148 lights this week. they work very well
any of you Thunder afficiandos with spare/extra parts... I'm looking for some Thunder hollow kingpin baseplates. Would prefer cast, but not sure Thunder did/does hollow kingpins in a cast baseplate.I think team hollows are hollow kingpin but also hollow axles with cast baseplates.
PM me if you can help
Currently skating aces but looking for a more stable and nimble truck. I’ve been thinking about thunders because they’re low and light and have the longer wheelbase. I was wondering if there are particular deck dimensions that work great with thunders, or do they pair well with almost anything? Also, how are they when breaking in?
any of you Thunder afficiandos with spare/extra parts... I'm looking for some Thunder hollow kingpin baseplates. Would prefer cast, but not sure Thunder did/does hollow kingpins in a cast baseplate.I gotchu @art hellman
PM me if you can help
Do you slide on your baseplate a lot?
Are you heavy?
What size wheels do you ride?
What is your preferred WB?
How tight do you ride?
What do you skate?
Thunders are more nimble than Venture but Venture are more stable; the tighter you ride the less of a disparity there is between the two in that regard.
Thunders are lighter than the venture equivalent and grind better; I'd give the pinch edge to thunder but only if you aren't riding super tight.
I've been swapping between 5.6 V-lights (indy hard bushings 94a) and Thunder 148 Hollow lights (97a thunder bushings) on an 8.2 with a 14.2"WB.
The thunders, even with the harder bushings, are still a bit more turny than the Ventures but are still stable and I still get more wheelbite on thunders with forged plates riding 52mm wheels than I do on the ventures so I run 50mm wheels on the thunders).
Both are 100% fun to skate but I prefer the stability and pop of ventures along with the longer baseplate (just in case).
Venture hangers look cooler than thunder hangers.
Expand QuoteDo you slide on your baseplate a lot?
Are you heavy?
What size wheels do you ride?
What is your preferred WB?
How tight do you ride?
What do you skate?
Thunders are more nimble than Venture but Venture are more stable; the tighter you ride the less of a disparity there is between the two in that regard.
Thunders are lighter than the venture equivalent and grind better; I'd give the pinch edge to thunder but only if you aren't riding super tight.
I've been swapping between 5.6 V-lights (indy hard bushings 94a) and Thunder 148 Hollow lights (97a thunder bushings) on an 8.2 with a 14.2"WB.
The thunders, even with the harder bushings, are still a bit more turny than the Ventures but are still stable and I still get more wheelbite on thunders with forged plates riding 52mm wheels than I do on the ventures so I run 50mm wheels on the thunders).
Both are 100% fun to skate but I prefer the stability and pop of ventures along with the longer baseplate (just in case).
Venture hangers look cooler than thunder hangers.[close]
I m 5,7 ft, 8.0 shoes size, and i skate often flatground, ledge, banks and Little gap !
I skate my trucks, neither too tight nor too loose (so medium), and for wheels, 52 mm !
Currently skating aces but looking for a more stable and nimble truck. I’ve been thinking about thunders because they’re low and light and have the longer wheelbase. I was wondering if there are particular deck dimensions that work great with thunders, or do they pair well with almost anything? Also, how are they when breaking in?
I think they pair well with a lot of boards, wheelbase wise I think 14” but even with something like 14.25 plus they are low and light so your board won’t feel like a vert set up.
The marketing says otherwise, but thunders are the daintiest truck…..I see some people skating them loose but IMO they are best skated medium/tight.
Gilbert Crockett is skating Thunders in his most recent instagram post.
Expand QuoteGilbert Crockett is skating Thunders in his most recent instagram post.[close]
All hands on deck!
Sound the alarm!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGilbert Crockett is skating Thunders in his most recent instagram post.[close]
All hands on deck!
Sound the alarm![close]
Makes me want some all black team 149s, like when he had that all black venture color way a while back.
The rumor is that they couldn’t source enough axles
anybody have a favorite deck, for thunder 148s?
anybody have a favorite deck, for thunder 148s?I have a Limo 8.25 which is working really well.
anybody have a favorite deck, for thunder 148s?dlx 8.28
anybody have a favorite deck, for thunder 148s?
anybody have a favorite deck, for thunder 148s?
anybody have a favorite deck, for thunder 148s?
anybody have a favorite deck, for thunder 148s?
thank you everyone!!
yeah, 148 lights, forged plate/solid axle.
right now on a flat ish older 8.125 generic generator shop deck.
before that on the 8.5 ps shape with the 14.25 wb, that tapers significantly towards the tail.
for some reason i’m drawn to: the april 8.25, the 8.06 dlx, the 8.25 dlx with the 14.38 wb….should probably skate something shorter, like the 8.28 dlx.
maybe the madness has been with boards all along. i thought it was trucks. damn it
Expand Quotethank you everyone!!
yeah, 148 lights, forged plate/solid axle.
right now on a flat ish older 8.125 generic generator shop deck.
before that on the 8.5 ps shape with the 14.25 wb, that tapers significantly towards the tail.
for some reason i’m drawn to: the april 8.25, the 8.06 dlx, the 8.25 dlx with the 14.38 wb….should probably skate something shorter, like the 8.28 dlx.
maybe the madness has been with boards all along. i thought it was trucks. damn it[close]
I love to hate that 8.28...something about the shape is just right but 'different' than say the other 8.25..it's like a tiny blue eagle - just that damn tiny WB ruins it every time I've skate one (I finally learned my lesson after three...but none on ventures... ;)
Just got a second hand pair of thunder polished 149 for a 8.5. Two questions, is the wheelbase on them basically the same as an Indy forged? And secondly, would changing bushings out give them more of a Indy surfy turn? I don’t ride that loose but the turns like, boring. I got em on a 14.5 wb kinda just wanted this board to cruise around/transition lazy days. Thanks.
Just got a second hand pair of thunder polished 149 for a 8.5. Two questions, is the wheelbase on them basically the same as an Indy forged? And secondly, would changing bushings out give them more of a Indy surfy turn? I don’t ride that loose but the turns like, boring. I got em on a 14.5 wb kinda just wanted this board to cruise around/transition lazy days. Thanks.
Just got a second hand pair of thunder polished 149 for a 8.5. Two questions, is the wheelbase on them basically the same as an Indy forged? And secondly, would changing bushings out give them more of a Indy surfy turn? I don’t ride that loose but the turns like, boring. I got em on a 14.5 wb kinda just wanted this board to cruise around/transition lazy days. Thanks.Try replacing the top washer with a Bones flat washer. That will open the turn up a lot.
Trying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)
Recent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow!
Expand QuoteRecent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow![close]
Just a friendly heads up, if you’re new to skateboarding and unfamiliar with the way different trucks behave it may be best for you to just leave the stock bushings in, or at the very least order different duro bushings from the same manufacturer instead of Frankensteining Indy bushings into thunders. They have thunder bushing kits in various hardness for about $10. It fucks with the geometry when you start swapping bushings around especially if they’re not the same height/shape and over time could lead to some wonky geometry that will be affecting you without you noticing it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteRecent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow![close]
Just a friendly heads up, if you’re new to skateboarding and unfamiliar with the way different trucks behave it may be best for you to just leave the stock bushings in, or at the very least order different duro bushings from the same manufacturer instead of Frankensteining Indy bushings into thunders. They have thunder bushing kits in various hardness for about $10. It fucks with the geometry when you start swapping bushings around especially if they’re not the same height/shape and over time could lead to some wonky geometry that will be affecting you without you noticing it.[close]
Will pig bushings mess up geometry?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRecent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow![close]
Just a friendly heads up, if you’re new to skateboarding and unfamiliar with the way different trucks behave it may be best for you to just leave the stock bushings in, or at the very least order different duro bushings from the same manufacturer instead of Frankensteining Indy bushings into thunders. They have thunder bushing kits in various hardness for about $10. It fucks with the geometry when you start swapping bushings around especially if they’re not the same height/shape and over time could lead to some wonky geometry that will be affecting you without you noticing it.[close]
Will pig bushings mess up geometry?[close]
I have no idea but you should measure the height of whatever bushings you’re replacing and also be aware of the shape e.g conical vs cylinder. Bushings are arguably one of the most key components on a skateboard and can really fuck your game up if you’re not careful
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRecent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow![close]
Just a friendly heads up, if you’re new to skateboarding and unfamiliar with the way different trucks behave it may be best for you to just leave the stock bushings in, or at the very least order different duro bushings from the same manufacturer instead of Frankensteining Indy bushings into thunders. They have thunder bushing kits in various hardness for about $10. It fucks with the geometry when you start swapping bushings around especially if they’re not the same height/shape and over time could lead to some wonky geometry that will be affecting you without you noticing it.[close]
Will pig bushings mess up geometry?[close]
I have no idea but you should measure the height of whatever bushings you’re replacing and also be aware of the shape e.g conical vs cylinder. Bushings are arguably one of the most key components on a skateboard and can really fuck your game up if you’re not careful
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRecent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow![close]
Just a friendly heads up, if you’re new to skateboarding and unfamiliar with the way different trucks behave it may be best for you to just leave the stock bushings in, or at the very least order different duro bushings from the same manufacturer instead of Frankensteining Indy bushings into thunders. They have thunder bushing kits in various hardness for about $10. It fucks with the geometry when you start swapping bushings around especially if they’re not the same height/shape and over time could lead to some wonky geometry that will be affecting you without you noticing it.[close]
Will pig bushings mess up geometry?[close]
I have no idea but you should measure the height of whatever bushings you’re replacing and also be aware of the shape e.g conical vs cylinder. Bushings are arguably one of the most key components on a skateboard and can really fuck your game up if you’re not careful[close]
Good to know. Thanks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRecent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow![close]
Just a friendly heads up, if you’re new to skateboarding and unfamiliar with the way different trucks behave it may be best for you to just leave the stock bushings in, or at the very least order different duro bushings from the same manufacturer instead of Frankensteining Indy bushings into thunders. They have thunder bushing kits in various hardness for about $10. It fucks with the geometry when you start swapping bushings around especially if they’re not the same height/shape and over time could lead to some wonky geometry that will be affecting you without you noticing it.[close]
Will pig bushings mess up geometry?[close]
I have no idea but you should measure the height of whatever bushings you’re replacing and also be aware of the shape e.g conical vs cylinder. Bushings are arguably one of the most key components on a skateboard and can really fuck your game up if you’re not careful[close]
Good to know. Thanks.[close]
Like that guy said bushings are delicate. I would just keep the stock bushings in the truck and not mess with it. Unless you have a real reason you want to change the bushings like for example you are really good and love super loose trucks or really stiff trucks I wouldn't mess with them. Changing them just for the sake of changing htem is pointless and just gonna mess you up especially if you are a beginner
ID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteRecent convert from independent to Thunder. Just tried out the new setup today. Ummmmmm. Holy crap! The difference is like riding from the depths of hell onto the clouds of heaven. I’m using independent hard (black) cylindrical bushings on the Thunder Sonora and the response is so rapid and smooth compared to the Independent medium/hard (blue) cylindrical bushings on the Independent Stage 11 before. Wow![close]
Just a friendly heads up, if you’re new to skateboarding and unfamiliar with the way different trucks behave it may be best for you to just leave the stock bushings in, or at the very least order different duro bushings from the same manufacturer instead of Frankensteining Indy bushings into thunders. They have thunder bushing kits in various hardness for about $10. It fucks with the geometry when you start swapping bushings around especially if they’re not the same height/shape and over time could lead to some wonky geometry that will be affecting you without you noticing it.[close]
Will pig bushings mess up geometry?[close]
I have no idea but you should measure the height of whatever bushings you’re replacing and also be aware of the shape e.g conical vs cylinder. Bushings are arguably one of the most key components on a skateboard and can really fuck your game up if you’re not careful[close]
Good to know. Thanks.[close]
Like that guy said bushings are delicate. I would just keep the stock bushings in the truck and not mess with it. Unless you have a real reason you want to change the bushings like for example you are really good and love super loose trucks or really stiff trucks I wouldn't mess with them. Changing them just for the sake of changing htem is pointless and just gonna mess you up especially if you are a beginner[close]
I gave my stock bushings away when I first got the trucks. Now I don’t want to be rude and ask it back. I’ll just buy the bushings again. :(
ID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.[close]
ID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.[close]
Expand QuoteID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.[close][close]
Thunders came in hi and low for a while and from the photo it’s hard to tell the bushing color. Blue bushings used to signify low and clear yellow for high. Judging by the lack of kingpin clearance I would say those are lows. So 145 Thunder Low Team Edition. Also, they used to come in raw or polished and judging by how rough the casting is on the hangers those are specifically Thunder Low Team Edition 145 Raw.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.[close][close]
Thunders came in hi and low for a while and from the photo it’s hard to tell the bushing color. Blue bushings used to signify low and clear yellow for high. Judging by the lack of kingpin clearance I would say those are lows. So 145 Thunder Low Team Edition. Also, they used to come in raw or polished and judging by how rough the casting is on the hangers those are specifically Thunder Low Team Edition 145 Raw.[close]
i agree, these look like the lows.
some of my very best skating came on some thunder lows.
the trucks were good, but before i spiral myself out, i’ll chalk it up to being 25 years ago.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.[close][close]
Thunders came in hi and low for a while and from the photo it’s hard to tell the bushing color. Blue bushings used to signify low and clear yellow for high. Judging by the lack of kingpin clearance I would say those are lows. So 145 Thunder Low Team Edition. Also, they used to come in raw or polished and judging by how rough the casting is on the hangers those are specifically Thunder Low Team Edition 145 Raw.[close]
i agree, these look like the lows.
some of my very best skating came on some thunder lows.
the trucks were good, but before i spiral myself out, i’ll chalk it up to being 25 years ago.[close]
I know *I* chalk that up to 25+ years ago as I was killing in on an 8" Zero Lopez, Tensors with the sliders and darkstar wheels...that setup, wtf...
25 years ago I had an 8.25 with 7.5 tensor lows with the sliders but it's because I was a dummy who didn't know anything and the guy at the shop also turned out to be a dummy who didn't know anything. I can't say I did my best skating but even now I can't get away from riding trucks way smaller than the deck so it had to have had some effect on meExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.[close][close]
Thunders came in hi and low for a while and from the photo it’s hard to tell the bushing color. Blue bushings used to signify low and clear yellow for high. Judging by the lack of kingpin clearance I would say those are lows. So 145 Thunder Low Team Edition. Also, they used to come in raw or polished and judging by how rough the casting is on the hangers those are specifically Thunder Low Team Edition 145 Raw.[close]
i agree, these look like the lows.
some of my very best skating came on some thunder lows.
the trucks were good, but before i spiral myself out, i’ll chalk it up to being 25 years ago.[close]
I know *I* chalk that up to 25+ years ago as I was killing in on an 8" Zero Lopez, Tensors with the sliders and darkstar wheels...that setup, wtf...[close]
that’s sick you had the good sense to be skating an 8”. darkstar wheels were good at that time, especially in the longevity department.
i had some tensors….
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteID as far as what? I have a set of 149s that look like that, have same baseplates and I'm pretty sure they're from 2009. Did you ever have one of those pre made zip zingers? I think the 143 were only on those for a while at first. Or they're just standard 145sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying to ID these tiny thunders I’ve had in my storage. They may either be from around 2007 or 2017. Still says “made in USA” under the baseplate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTxmY5Rs/IMG-1614.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLL9QZ4y/IMG-1615.jpg)[close]
I'd say these are closer to 2007 than 2017 for sure.
Standard thunders.[close][close]
Thunders came in hi and low for a while and from the photo it’s hard to tell the bushing color. Blue bushings used to signify low and clear yellow for high. Judging by the lack of kingpin clearance I would say those are lows. So 145 Thunder Low Team Edition. Also, they used to come in raw or polished and judging by how rough the casting is on the hangers those are specifically Thunder Low Team Edition 145 Raw.[close]
i agree, these look like the lows.
some of my very best skating came on some thunder lows.
the trucks were good, but before i spiral myself out, i’ll chalk it up to being 25 years ago.[close]
I know *I* chalk that up to 25+ years ago as I was killing in on an 8" Zero Lopez, Tensors with the sliders and darkstar wheels...that setup, wtf...[close]
that’s sick you had the good sense to be skating an 8”. darkstar wheels were good at that time, especially in the longevity department.
i had some tensors….
First post on my spiral into the madness...
Back into skating after a 15 year break. Widest board I previously rode was around 7.8.
But, I have been riding the Tom Knox Navigator with some Thunder Team 148's, 53mm spitfires, and really enjoying it (had 2 of these boards in a row). Board is: width: 8.25" with length: 32", wheelbase: 14.375", nose: 6.625". tail: 7" shape is medium concave
I am going to try up sizing to 8.5. I am considering either keeping the same trucks or getting some 149 lights with the forged baseplates. Board is the Tom Knox debut: width: 8.5" with length: 32.18", wheelbase: 14.38", nose, tail, shape is unknown (can't find the details).
What different should I notice between keeping the 148 teams and switching to the 149 lights?
Expand QuoteFirst post on my spiral into the madness...
Back into skating after a 15 year break. Widest board I previously rode was around 7.8.
But, I have been riding the Tom Knox Navigator with some Thunder Team 148's, 53mm spitfires, and really enjoying it (had 2 of these boards in a row). Board is: width: 8.25" with length: 32", wheelbase: 14.375", nose: 6.625". tail: 7" shape is medium concave
I am going to try up sizing to 8.5. I am considering either keeping the same trucks or getting some 149 lights with the forged baseplates. Board is the Tom Knox debut: width: 8.5" with length: 32.18", wheelbase: 14.38", nose, tail, shape is unknown (can't find the details).
What different should I notice between keeping the 148 teams and switching to the 149 lights?[close]
Both those trucks would work. I would suggest more weight because that is what you grew up with. Super light trucks can hinder you in my opinion. My favorite truck is an INDY stage 8, 136. My friends can't ride my board but I grew up with weight on bolts. In reality, dude buy whatever is cheaper, you quit for 15 years. Your not in this forever.
what page is the info for the new thunders on?
thanks in advance
I added speculation in there. Didn't measure the trucks, but they appear slightly taller and the tester confirmed that the geometry is massively different. Said they are super turny and his kingpin nut was quite cranked. Had brought his board in the shop to find harder bushings that will fit. Thinks that they will offer it as an option and not a replacement for Thunders. FWIW they normally ride Indys and don't care for current Thunders quite as much and found these new T2 (or whatever they will be called) very close to a slightly lower Indy. They honestly sound pretty great but hopefully they're not too tall and don't alter the pop too much because I personally like that about the Thunders I have ridden.I like how low my Thunder 147 hollow lights are. If the biggest difference is just geometry and height, I think I’ll stick with the regular ones because the geometry is perfect for tech skating.
From the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?
(https://i.ibb.co/Yj4FBTW/Screenshot-2024-04-11-233339.png) (https://ibb.co/Yj4FBTW)
Expand QuoteFrom the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?
(https://i.ibb.co/Yj4FBTW/Screenshot-2024-04-11-233339.png) (https://ibb.co/Yj4FBTW)[close]
I like how low my Thunder 147 hollow lights are. If the biggest difference is just geometry and height, I think I’ll stick with the regular ones because the geometry is perfect for tech skating.Expand QuoteI added speculation in there. Didn't measure the trucks, but they appear slightly taller and the tester confirmed that the geometry is massively different. Said they are super turny and his kingpin nut was quite cranked. Had brought his board in the shop to find harder bushings that will fit. Thinks that they will offer it as an option and not a replacement for Thunders. FWIW they normally ride Indys and don't care for current Thunders quite as much and found these new T2 (or whatever they will be called) very close to a slightly lower Indy. They honestly sound pretty great but hopefully they're not too tall and don't alter the pop too much because I personally like that about the Thunders I have ridden.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFrom the mason clips...doesn't have the tell tale hanger look of either an indy or thunder?
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That looks like a Indy? I can't tell from the photo, but if there is a crease line through the left to the right, it's a Stage 11.
It's not a stage 11, it's the new Thunders. You can tell because the old Thunder hanger also has a slight barrel near the wheels where the wings meet the axle area.
51sExpand QuoteI like how low my Thunder 147 hollow lights are. If the biggest difference is just geometry and height, I think I’ll stick with the regular ones because the geometry is perfect for tech skating.Expand QuoteI added speculation in there. Didn't measure the trucks, but they appear slightly taller and the tester confirmed that the geometry is massively different. Said they are super turny and his kingpin nut was quite cranked. Had brought his board in the shop to find harder bushings that will fit. Thinks that they will offer it as an option and not a replacement for Thunders. FWIW they normally ride Indys and don't care for current Thunders quite as much and found these new T2 (or whatever they will be called) very close to a slightly lower Indy. They honestly sound pretty great but hopefully they're not too tall and don't alter the pop too much because I personally like that about the Thunders I have ridden.[close][close]
what size wheel you skate with the 147 lights?
i like 147s, on the forged baseplate i can barely manage 52s.
i agree they are nice for the tech.
When are these new Thunders coming out?
Maybe they’ll just offer one since almost everybody else does right?
The bigger concern is whether they completely replace the current lineup or add this new version as an adjacent option much like ace classics and AF1s
Maybe they’ll just offer one since almost everybody else does right?
The bigger concern is whether they completely replace the current lineup or add this new version as an adjacent option much like ace classics and AF1s
!!!!Expand QuoteMaybe they’ll just offer one since almost everybody else does right?
The bigger concern is whether they completely replace the current lineup or add this new version as an adjacent option much like ace classics and AF1s[close]
According to my shop source that had the testers it's not replacing the standards and will be a second model.
I've been flip flopping a bit more between Thunder 151s and Ace AF1 60s recently, and I have to say the thought of some potential middle ground with these "T2s" is getting me pretty damn excited. Good chance, they will be a bit more like existing Thunders than current Aces but still, that will be just fine with me.
Do blue transparent bushings (90duro) loosen up with time ? I skated them like 3 or 4 hours, setup stock on the trucks (flush kingpin) but I find them being a bit stiff and have to tic tac quite a bit.
Should I just wait or slightly unscrew (1/8th or 1/4th turn?) the kingpin ?
In regards to getting Thunders to turn more fluid, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record here, adding wax to the pivot goes a long way toward opening up the turning radius.
Expand QuoteIn regards to getting Thunders to turn more fluid, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record here, adding wax to the pivot goes a long way toward opening up the turning radius.[close]
That doesn't change the turning radius but it def does help loosen things up and its a great tip.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn regards to getting Thunders to turn more fluid, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record here, adding wax to the pivot goes a long way toward opening up the turning radius.[close]
That doesn't change the turning radius but it def does help loosen things up and its a great tip.[close]
before the 2018/19 venture change up, some of the real ones in the greater surrounding area were on thunder 149s, with risers, with the intent of larger wheels, and a different turn.
one of my fave characteristics of thunders is the lower height/pop angle, so i did not try this.
unrelated: i can put the cast baseplate from some team 149s, onto some 147 hollow lights (and vice versa), correct? something about the kp angle looks different.
the 147 hollow lights are low, im heavier and less skilled than ever, and the ground where i am is rough.
i love the way 147s look.
some of my fave skate shit has happened on them (or what i think is 147s), from herman and Ellington, to antwuan, wade,nate jones, huf, quim, mj, some gino moments, gerwer, pete eldridge, busenitz, lucas, ishod….147s have some heavy hitters behind them: shane, ishod, nyjah.
none of that is happening when i get on them, and 52s seem like the max wheel size.
once upon a time i mentioned in an indy thread that none of my top 5 were indy riders, and a poster that left, unfortunately, chided me, starting to list all of the great indy dudes. no doubt. but that’s not MY top 5**
my top 5 changes, and when larry was larry, it was on indy’s, more or less. stevie had some great footage on indy’s too. but
In regards to getting Thunders to turn more fluid, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record here, adding wax to the pivot goes a long way toward opening up the turning radius.
Expand QuoteIn regards to getting Thunders to turn more fluid, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record here, adding wax to the pivot goes a long way toward opening up the turning radius.[close]
Thanks for the info ! You put wax shavings inside ?
I’ll try it if it doesn’t unlock progressively :)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn regards to getting Thunders to turn more fluid, and I don’t want to sound like a broken record here, adding wax to the pivot goes a long way toward opening up the turning radius.[close]
Thanks for the info ! You put wax shavings inside ?
I’ll try it if it doesn’t unlock progressively :)[close]
best to tax the actual pivot in my experience. it doesn't last but it will aid the break in period.
I’m not really nuts about thunder’s pivot cups either….maybe an upgrade may make them turn smoother..
I hope it feels like the old thunders.
Expand QuoteI’m not really nuts about thunder’s pivot cups either….maybe an upgrade may make them turn smoother..[close]
DLX cups are just straight hard plastic that aren't even trimmed (vents seem to be worse in this regard), just like the old indys, for sure the lowest grade out there, hell even Royal / krux ship with quality cups (ACE and Indy too these days, 'hand poured' etc..)
Expand QuoteMaybe they’ll just offer one since almost everybody else does right?
The bigger concern is whether they completely replace the current lineup or add this new version as an adjacent option much like ace classics and AF1s[close]
According to my shop source that had the testers it's not replacing the standards and will be a second model.
I bought some Riptides a few years back for my Thunders and honestly preferred stock. I felt it made the turn mushier and not as snappy and have never blown a Thunder cup out. Venture neither. Both DLX trucks have the worst top washer bushing issues. My Venture washers bent around the nut at stock tightness and demolished the top bushings and DLX sent me replacements that have been great. First Venture tops that lasted. Hopefully Thunder gets whatever they're doing with that formula.
I tried to get more T2 details from the shop owner whose pair I saw, but he hasn't said a damn word more except that they're probably his new favorite modern truck.
I bought some Riptides a few years back for my Thunders and honestly preferred stock. I felt it made the turn mushier and not as snappy and have never blown a Thunder cup out. Venture neither. Both DLX trucks have the worst top washer bushing issues. My Venture washers bent around the nut at stock tightness and demolished the top bushings and DLX sent me replacements that have been great. First Venture tops that lasted. Hopefully Thunder gets whatever they're doing with that formula.
I tried to get more T2 details from the shop owner whose pair I saw, but he hasn't said a damn word more except that they're probably his new favorite modern truck.
That's doing it! But seriously, it's fun and good to see people modding their gear.
Related, but on another note: I once saw a cheap complete that had riser pads that would extend the front and cover the pivot cup like a slider Tensor's had.
https://youtu.be/q3x4QeOquJ4
dude you want to talk about sliders check out this homeys
We're coming full circle back to 2000 era Tensors
https://youtu.be/q3x4QeOquJ4
dude you want to talk about sliders check out this homeys
https://youtu.be/q3x4QeOquJ4
dude you want to talk about sliders check out this homeys
Must be horrible 😅Expand Quotehttps://youtu.be/q3x4QeOquJ4
dude you want to talk about sliders check out this homeys[close]
That guy is the human form of the madness thread.
idk i think this guy fuckin rips if you ask me!
i love his setup! hahaha like this is the exact type of person i love to talk about skateboarding gear with. most people round here dont give a fuck! ride the same shit. gotta live a little, take some chances! Riding indy all the time is boring.
idk i think this guy fuckin rips if you ask me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQsHuetguIo
i love his setup! hahaha like this is the exact type of person i love to talk about skateboarding gear with. most people round here dont give a fuck! ride the same shit. gotta live a little, take some chances! Riding indy all the time is boring.
Do blue transparent bushings (90duro) loosen up with time ? I skated them like 3 or 4 hours, setup stock on the trucks (flush kingpin) but I find them being a bit stiff and have to tic tac quite a bit.
Should I just wait or slightly unscrew (1/8th or 1/4th turn?) the kingpin ?
Keaten is my homie….I saw him on the weekend on his way to buy grip and we jammed out a bunch.
I always describe the thunder turn as the first 1/4 of the turn is Ace….the next half is venture….the last quarter is wheelbite…..the risers change the last quarter as does tightening your trucks….
I always describe the thunder turn as the first 1/4 of the turn is Ace….the next half is venture….the last quarter is wheelbite…..the risers change the last quarter as does tightening your trucks….
Expand QuoteI always describe the thunder turn as the first 1/4 of the turn is Ace….the next half is venture….the last quarter is wheelbite…..the risers change the last quarter as does tightening your trucks….[close]
This. I’ve been on some Thunders for a while now but I just can’t get them to where I like them.
Indys are tippy. Aces are carvey and pretty stable at center for me. Thunders though feel like the “center” point is so small. They’re not tippy like Indy’s per say. Thunder turn takes less effort to initiate but can also max out very easily and wheelbite. So it feels unstable. I ride mine medium tight as well on stock bushings. Anytime I don’t land perfectly square bolts I will wheelbite.
Any advice ?
Im still quite surprised about thunder vs ace feeling especially when I read that thunder stocks are soft
I find ace with hard bushings muuuuuch softer than stock thunder. I unscrewed 1/2 of turn of the thunder and they still feel much harder than flushed hard ace. I guess ace and thunder are different groups that don’t communicate so much aha
Actually, how much can you unscrew from flush / stock before the nut starts slipping ?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI always describe the thunder turn as the first 1/4 of the turn is Ace….the next half is venture….the last quarter is wheelbite…..the risers change the last quarter as does tightening your trucks….[close]
This. I’ve been on some Thunders for a while now but I just can’t get them to where I like them.
Indys are tippy. Aces are carvey and pretty stable at center for me. Thunders though feel like the “center” point is so small. They’re not tippy like Indy’s per say. Thunder turn takes less effort to initiate but can also max out very easily and wheelbite. So it feels unstable. I ride mine medium tight as well on stock bushings. Anytime I don’t land perfectly square bolts I will wheelbite.
Any advice ?[close]
Without instantly jumping down the "try harder bushings" type of reply, I do think that slightly harder bushings can sometimes be a win here, even combinations of them, even though I really don't like to mix and match colours, eg a stock top with a harder bottom or something like that, but I will often trim down slightly harder bushings to get the desired result more so than running softer bushings that might turn nicely, but then wheelbite if I land incorrectly.
Any bushing change can be weird, or make you want to swap back the old ones and be done with it, then just deal with the other issues, but that is one option I have gone with that has worked in the past for me.
Thunder trucks being lower also works nicely for me with very thin risers, usually 2 mm tops, of which I have made my own, but there are a lot of people out there that flatly refuse to put anything in between truck and board and that is quite ok too. For me though, having that extra couple of mm in height makes things just feel more normal and I can turn more and land a little off without things instantly ending in being thrown off the board, which in most cases is easier than putting wheel wells in every board or riding significantly smaller wheels, which I know some others do as well.
So firmer bushings (often cut down / sanded or otherwise modified), risers, smaller wheels are all options for that situation.
Switched from ace af1 55’s like 3 weeks ago to 148’s and it was a game changer. I hated it at first and kept playing around with the kingpin nut and washer situation and felt like I couldn’t get it to what I wanted. Then I put both washers on and set the kingpin nut flush. Told myself it’s better to accept that they’re different and get used to them than trying to make them something they aren’t. After I did that I had the best session I’ve had in a long time. I feel as though it’s boosted my confidence and I should’ve been skating tighter trucks a long time ago. Noseslides are wonky but I just changed my technique and they seem to be working fine. Only problem trick has been with crooks but I attribute that to sizing down my trucks and not knowing where it is under my board. (I ride an 8.38)
All the trucks have benefits.Ain’t that the truth, too.
Ain’t that the truth, too.Expand QuoteAll the trucks have benefits.[close]
Wishing I could marry the turn of an Ace to the pop feel/timing of a Thunder, and stir in a lickle bit of the Indy grind & I would have my all-porpoise utili-truck.
Those Stage IVs came close, but I want that “infinite turning” capacity of the Ace & the Indy bushings never broke in quite as soft, or generous of turn. Maybe shaving a mm of the top bush would help, but I haven’t quite been able to replicate the Ace turn outside of Joey’s trucks & frankly, they’re neither my favorite grind, nor pop (though I DID finally figure out how to get my snap back on Ace by being stingy with my rear foot placement.)
Maybe these speculative T2s will be a step towards one or more of these nerdy unfulfilled truck desires.
A lickle taller? A more horizontal sweep for a deeper turn before hitting wheelbite? (Wheelbite is the thing that dragged me away from a lifelong love affair with Thunders.) Perhaps a bit more meat on the baseplate’s pivot housing, as some folks have been begging for for years?
Would gladly put my aluminum budget back into DLX trucks if they could get me closer to my dream truck.
Seems that enough people love the current geo: would be a shame to dump it w/ the bath water, but it ain’t for me at this stage of my riding life.
Seperate, 2nd model seems crazy though.
One thing’s for certain though, those cats are monitoring the market: they’ve got their finger on the proverbial pulse (SLAP included) & when it makes fiscal sense to launch something new, they for sure gonna do it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI always describe the thunder turn as the first 1/4 of the turn is Ace….the next half is venture….the last quarter is wheelbite…..the risers change the last quarter as does tightening your trucks….[close]
This. I’ve been on some Thunders for a while now but I just can’t get them to where I like them.
Indys are tippy. Aces are carvey and pretty stable at center for me. Thunders though feel like the “center” point is so small. They’re not tippy like Indy’s per say. Thunder turn takes less effort to initiate but can also max out very easily and wheelbite. So it feels unstable. I ride mine medium tight as well on stock bushings. Anytime I don’t land perfectly square bolts I will wheelbite.
Any advice ?[close]
Without instantly jumping down the "try harder bushings" type of reply, I do think that slightly harder bushings can sometimes be a win here, even combinations of them, even though I really don't like to mix and match colours, eg a stock top with a harder bottom or something like that, but I will often trim down slightly harder bushings to get the desired result more so than running softer bushings that might turn nicely, but then wheelbite if I land incorrectly.
Any bushing change can be weird, or make you want to swap back the old ones and be done with it, then just deal with the other issues, but that is one option I have gone with that has worked in the past for me.
Thunder trucks being lower also works nicely for me with very thin risers, usually 2 mm tops, of which I have made my own, but there are a lot of people out there that flatly refuse to put anything in between truck and board and that is quite ok too. For me though, having that extra couple of mm in height makes things just feel more normal and I can turn more and land a little off without things instantly ending in being thrown off the board, which in most cases is easier than putting wheel wells in every board or riding significantly smaller wheels, which I know some others do as well.
So firmer bushings (often cut down / sanded or otherwise modified), risers, smaller wheels are all options for that situation.[close]
I’d also like to add that a barrel shaped bottom bushing can provide a more stable center even in the same duro. If you were to go a little firmer than stock on the barrel you’d probably prevent some wheelbite situations as well. If you do try this though don’t forget to put a slightly wider bottom washer so it fits properly.
In regards to Thunders not feeling like they turn: the stock bushings are rock hard even though they claim they’re 90a’s. When they switched to the blue ones from the piss yellow ones however long ago they started feeling firmer. I get the translucent red 90a rebuild kits because they’re the softest feeling Thunder bushings. I can ride them loose and they turn how they’re supposed to
https://orchardshop.com/products/thunder-bushing-rebuild-kit?
In regards to Thunders not feeling like they turn: the stock bushings are rock hard even though they claim they’re 90a’s. When they switched to the blue ones from the piss yellow ones however long ago they started feeling firmer. I get the translucent red 90a rebuild kits because they’re the softest feeling Thunder bushings. I can ride them loose and they turn how they’re supposed to
https://orchardshop.com/products/thunder-bushing-rebuild-kit?