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Title: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Kanye Omari West on September 13, 2021, 09:46:04 AM
Basically posted a IG story exposing Jovantae (his current neighbor) of beating his wife in front of their kids on more than one occasion and even him trying to fight Liz. Shit sounds messy. I'm backing him on calling the law.

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Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Style Police on September 13, 2021, 09:48:25 AM
Here we go... shits fucked if true.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 13, 2021, 09:48:47 AM
Yikes

If true JT is a dirtbag

LK doing himself no favors posting that. As if JT isn't gonna hear about it and come knocking on his door
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: ok boomer on September 13, 2021, 09:49:07 AM
what the hell
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: BugleBites on September 13, 2021, 09:51:19 AM
Man, all these OG's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU1PyzEVPdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU1PyzEVPdg)
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: T4T on September 13, 2021, 10:00:23 AM
Was just abt to post this, shit is fucked if true
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Allen. on September 13, 2021, 10:02:15 AM
Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: IpathCats on September 13, 2021, 10:02:20 AM
Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 13, 2021, 10:04:46 AM
Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags

You think they know he beats his wife ?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: TastyBurrito on September 13, 2021, 10:07:12 AM
Yikes. If true, man, screw JT. Fuck domestic violence.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: veritas on September 13, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 13, 2021, 10:09:26 AM
Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: arrbee on September 13, 2021, 10:13:43 AM
Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.

Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: sus on September 13, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
never did i ever think that Mike Plumb would be the logical one in any situation
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Sick Duck on September 13, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
Yikes

If true JT is a dirtbag

LK doing himself no favors posting that. As if JT isn't gonna hear about it and come knocking on his door
pretty sure he is aware of that
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: 4LOM on September 13, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
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Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"

when he realized life lasts a lot longer than youth
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: lampshade on September 13, 2021, 10:32:19 AM
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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I thought it was HUF that hooked up dirtbags.  I've never met LK or JT, but this is a weird story.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 13, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
This is gonna be interesting.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Clemskiba on September 13, 2021, 10:34:39 AM
jovontae "ike" turner

beating a woman when you're a man is generally a sign that your brain is as big as a green pea
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Sick Duck on September 13, 2021, 10:35:34 AM
jovante "ike" turner
damn
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 13, 2021, 10:36:45 AM
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Yikes

If true JT is a dirtbag

LK doing himself no favors posting that. As if JT isn't gonna hear about it and come knocking on his door
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pretty sure he is aware of that

Lol yeah I know dumbass
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: TastyBurrito on September 13, 2021, 10:39:59 AM
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
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Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"

Probably when he first learned he was gonna have a kid. Itís crazy (in an amazing way) what becoming a parent does to some people.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Mean salto on September 13, 2021, 10:40:59 AM
Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: os89 on September 13, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/0f8516844d17269fc88755d44f0c5873/tumblr_n2yct9Cbih1s2vfndo1_400.gif)

But for real, sounds pretty fucked up
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: TastyBurrito on September 13, 2021, 10:45:39 AM

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person

Willy Santos? Canít say Iíve ever heard anything bad about him.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Mean salto on September 13, 2021, 10:50:00 AM
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Willy Santos? Canít say Iíve ever heard anything bad about him.

He would take food from Jeremy Klein.......
Nah you win
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: snowballz on September 13, 2021, 10:57:42 AM
Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person

Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: pro club blanks on September 13, 2021, 11:08:54 AM
Nah fuck that

Im gonna need receipts before I condemn a black man publicly in a way that could legitimately ruin his life if untrue

Especially if thats the source fuck outta here
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Uh Oh on September 13, 2021, 11:12:43 AM
Could you imagine living in a house between those two? It would be a sitcom styled hell.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: ok boomer on September 13, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
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Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"

skating on acid - no longer tight
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: DaleSr on September 13, 2021, 11:18:04 AM
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Willy Santos? Canít say Iíve ever heard anything bad about him.
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He would take food from Jeremy Klein.......
Nah you win

That would make me like him way more, Klein is a prick to everyone

Also this is super messy but it's better to be messy than to let someone get abused in silence
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Lou Strux on September 13, 2021, 11:20:31 AM
jovontae "ike" turner
!!!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: life is a hell ride on September 13, 2021, 11:32:00 AM
Nah fuck that

Im gonna need receipts before I condemn a black man publicly in a way that could legitimately ruin his life if untrue

Especially if thats the source fuck outta here
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: IpathCats on September 13, 2021, 11:42:59 AM
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
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Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"

Yea, I'm no fan of all the nonsense back and forth on social media. I don't have any accounts anymore unless you count this and youtube. The thought of this between LK and JT just seems like some sort of twilight zone situation.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Nosferatu on September 13, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Not saying heís lying, but itís wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: TheDingus on September 13, 2021, 12:02:09 PM
Not saying heís lying, but itís wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.

Lizard told me about this a few years ago. Wonder why heís coming out with it now?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: lampshade on September 13, 2021, 12:11:32 PM
I have no idea what is going on here, but this seems like a rad shared part.  No domestic violence involved.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Kanye Omari West on September 13, 2021, 12:15:38 PM
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Not saying heís lying, but itís wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.
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Lizard told me about this a few years ago. Wonder why heís coming out with it now?

You're saying Lizard knew this domestic issue was happening years back and he told you? That sounds way more credible.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: TheDingus on September 13, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
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Not saying heís lying, but itís wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.
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Lizard told me about this a few years ago. Wonder why heís coming out with it now?
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You're saying Lizard knew this domestic issue was happening years back and he told you? That sounds way more credible.

100% true.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: AitchBeeGayBuh on September 13, 2021, 12:30:32 PM
jovontae "ike" turner

http://youtu.be/Gcm-tOGiva0
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: the canadian suit on September 13, 2021, 12:48:57 PM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.

There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on September 13, 2021, 12:52:20 PM
Never met him myself but I have friends who have and always said Lizard King was a nice, down to earth guy who introduces himself as Mike and didn't play up the Lizard King shit in real life
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Paul Cicero on September 13, 2021, 01:08:36 PM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.

To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, thatís a looong time ago.

Also - Iíve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think heís natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. Heís just a skate rat and I love that.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: SatanicPanic on September 13, 2021, 01:12:25 PM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
Being an annoying dick might not make you a decent person but thats not like being a wife beater
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: coldbrew on September 13, 2021, 01:20:01 PM
Never met him myself but I have friends who have and always said Lizard King was a nice, down to earth guy who introduces himself as Mike and didn't play up the Lizard King shit in real life

I've met lizard and nuge a few times both with and without friends who already knew them when I've been out in LA and honestly they were some of the nicest down to earth pleasant dudes. Buying people rounds, inviting others to play pool with them, chatting it up about skateboarding or anything else that wasn't skateboarding. Not saying that determines anything in this situation between him and Jovantae, more just echoing Jackal's statement.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: DannyDee on September 13, 2021, 01:29:51 PM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
I mean, most of the EMB kids were cliquey teenagers often lacking parental supervision. Even Karl would acknowledge that, but that's adolescent shit. I can't think of any bad stories about Daewon, Daniel Castillo, or even Rick Howard (unless you want to put the sins of people he's associated with on him). At the end of the day, like 90% of people who get put on a pedestal as a teenager with some level of fame are likely to have incidents where they come across as an asshole, or in some cases are just permanent assholes. It seems JT has carried this into his 40's if this story is accurate, which is shitty.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: quaintly on September 13, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Willy Santos? Canít say Iíve ever heard anything bad about him.

He charged everyone $10 to attend his 21st birthday party.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Coldpizza on September 13, 2021, 01:54:34 PM
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Never met him myself but I have friends who have and always said Lizard King was a nice, down to earth guy who introduces himself as Mike and didn't play up the Lizard King shit in real life
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I've met lizard and nuge a few times both with and without friends who already knew them when I've been out in LA and honestly they were some of the nicest down to earth pleasant dudes. Buying people rounds, inviting others to play pool with them, chatting it up about skateboarding or anything else that wasn't skateboarding. Not saying that determines anything in this situation between him and Jovantae, more just echoing Jackal's statement.
Definitely agree with the sentiments stated above. These allegations aside, just because someone is/was a wild partier doesnít mean they arenít a good person or canít be trusted.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: benboardbreaker on September 13, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.

I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 13, 2021, 02:10:49 PM
TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.

I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!
Welcome to Slap ;D
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 13, 2021, 02:29:58 PM
TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.

I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!

How else are we supposed to keep ourselves entertained?? Speculation is the best!!!!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: WarmUpZone on September 13, 2021, 02:49:18 PM
Why would Lizard make an Instagram story poll for this situation?
I mean, other than the fact that insecure people can't do anything without putting it on Instagram for validation.

I guess that was rhetorical.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Vds on September 13, 2021, 02:51:44 PM
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: adamb on September 13, 2021, 02:56:34 PM
weird to air that shit on instagram..... just call the cops. the instagram post is a cry for attention. if its criminal..... the cops will deal with it.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Shifty Flip on September 13, 2021, 03:00:48 PM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
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To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, thatís a looong time ago.

Also - Iíve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think heís natural Passion of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. Heís just a skate rat and I love that.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: WavyDavy on September 13, 2021, 03:53:01 PM

I mean, most of the EMB kids were cliquey teenagers often lacking parental supervision. Even Karl would acknowledge that, but that's adolescent shit. I can't think of any bad stories about Daewon, Daniel Castillo, or even Rick Howard (unless you want to put the sins of people he's associated with on him). At the end of the day, like 90% of people who get put on a pedestal as a teenager with some level of fame are likely to have incidents where they come across as an asshole, or in some cases are just permanent assholes. It seems JT has carried this into his 40's if this story is accurate, which is shitty.

https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/08/07/daewon-songs-untold-upbringing/
 ;)
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: ziggy on September 13, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
Iíve always been a big JT fan. I hope this isnít true
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tear Up a Trick on September 13, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person

Now there's an idea for a thread!  I'll let you get it rolling
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: ndsr on September 13, 2021, 05:35:03 PM
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Willy Santos? Canít say Iíve ever heard anything bad about him.
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He charged everyone $10 to attend his 21st birthday party.
Infidelity on tour just kidding but Ö.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: the canadian suit on September 13, 2021, 05:51:58 PM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
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Being an annoying dick might not make you a decent person but thats not like being a wife beater

Obviously not the same, Karlís a great human being. Iím honestly not sure how his name got into this shit thread anyway.

More just saying nobodyís perfect and donít believe it if you think they are.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 13, 2021, 05:52:08 PM
First Oyola, then Ethan Fowler, and now Jovantae..... 2021 is officially the year where I find out all my 90s skate heroes are total scumbags.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: HeavyAndExpensive on September 13, 2021, 05:59:22 PM
Iím inclined to believe Lizard because, unless heís really gone off his rocker, thatís a heavy allegation to lay on somebody without knowing the truth pretty damn well, one way or another. Itís not like Lizard is constantly out there, running his mouth about anyone and everyone.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Marv on September 13, 2021, 06:05:24 PM
First Oyola, then Ethan Fowler, and now Jovantae..... 2021 is officially the year where I find out all my 90s skate heroes are total scumbags.

What did Ethan do?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: coldbrew on September 13, 2021, 06:05:29 PM
First Oyola, then Ethan Fowler, and now Jovantae..... 2021 is officially the year where I find out all my 90s skate heroes are total scumbags.

If it took you til 2020-2021 to really find out Ricky was a piece of shit then idk what to tell you bud lol
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Frutsiseltzer on September 13, 2021, 06:09:14 PM
never did i ever think that Mike Plumb would be the logical one in any situation

Is that Nak-el IG post real?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 13, 2021, 06:26:28 PM
Worried people will let their bias toward the person who had the much cooler skate career determine how they're viewing this. I think we need to ask ourselves what Lizard King really has to gain. To me, the argument that he's doing it for attention doesn't really hold air. The dude is corny and weird, but certainly wouldn't peg him as that desperate. Betting there is at least a kernel of truth to what he's saying, and their negative encounters just reached a tipping point. This is the best way Lizard, being an idiot, thought to handle it.

This is a terrible thing and none of us should know it's happening. Honestly fuck both of these guys if this is true. Men that never grew up.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Miller92 on September 13, 2021, 06:42:31 PM
Worried people will let their bias toward the person who had the much cooler skate career determine how they're viewing this. I think we need to ask ourselves what Lizard King really has to gain. To me, the argument that he's doing it for attention doesn't really hold air. The dude is corny and weird, but certainly wouldn't peg him as that desperate. Betting there is at least a kernel of truth to what he's saying, and their negative encounters just reached a tipping point. This is the best way Lizard, being an idiot, thought to handle it.

This is a terrible thing and none of us should know it's happening. Honestly fuck both of these guys if this is true. Men that never grew up.

/thread
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: pro club blanks on September 13, 2021, 06:43:11 PM
Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.

Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho

White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: JANUS on September 13, 2021, 06:57:58 PM
Racism has entered the chat.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 13, 2021, 07:11:51 PM
Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.

Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho

White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this

I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.

If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 13, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas

New BalanceÖ.try again kook
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: coldbrew on September 13, 2021, 07:16:32 PM
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.

Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho

White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
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I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.

If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.

In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges. Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 13, 2021, 07:31:41 PM

In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.

Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Low standards on September 13, 2021, 07:51:41 PM
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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You think they know he beats his wife ?

They still will tho given crails history of sweeping shit under the rug because theyíre an old homie..
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: cilantro on September 13, 2021, 07:53:32 PM
Maybe lizard doesnít want to call the cops on a black man? Yíall are acting like JTís career is still relevant, the only people seeing LZís story are industry insiders who probably have more of a personal relationship with JT.
All speculation. This is a bummer thread
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Paul Cicero on September 13, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
Race aside - if you beat women you are a piece of shit and deserve to be punished to the maximum extent.

Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: El Fapinator on September 13, 2021, 07:57:33 PM
Although Iím sure it might have a tinge of truth, instead of Mike Plumb blasting him on social call dcf and cops sort it out instead attention seeking bs.

Just cause a person sucks attention seeking is even worse, shame on both of themÖ..
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Vds on September 13, 2021, 08:07:33 PM
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas
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New BalanceÖ.try again kook

Pro-Trump white supremacists have called New Balance sneakers ďthe official shoes of white peopleĒ
It was all over the news.
Kook
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Post by: Tony on September 13, 2021, 08:24:18 PM
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas
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New BalanceÖ.try again kook
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Pro-Trump white supremacists have called New Balance sneakers ďthe official shoes of white peopleĒ
It was all over the news.
Kook

Get bent ya nerd, no one cares what white supremacists think about footwear.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: whoami on September 13, 2021, 08:42:38 PM
I mean, I hate to admit this but I've heard stories of Jovante stealing from people for decades. Multiple people, multiple times, blah blah blah. I think the world of his skating but at some point when things start adding up there's some sort of take away.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: TastyBurrito on September 13, 2021, 09:00:11 PM
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
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Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.

If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.

Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?



Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: pro club blanks on September 13, 2021, 09:21:54 PM
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.

Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho

White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
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I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.

If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.
To be clear im not saying the accusation could be untrue what im saying is that the reaction is different in the court of public opinion due to racial dynamics where its assumed hes guilty

Thank you for hearing me

We agree word for word on the second paragraph
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: pro club blanks on September 13, 2021, 09:22:39 PM
Racism has entered the chat.
We are not in a post racial america

I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: froufroufox on September 13, 2021, 09:34:01 PM
man, super disappointing and fucked if true. and no reason at all thee lizard king had to include ďold pro skater javontae turnerĒ. he really couldíve just left it at ďneighborĒ. dude sucks.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Buttholesurfer on September 13, 2021, 09:49:14 PM
Jovante sold me some shitty weed once
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Mean salto on September 13, 2021, 10:33:17 PM
They have kids so this is infinitely more messy.
Press charges and leave is basically not an option most of the time.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Steve Kelly on September 14, 2021, 12:07:51 AM
Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.

Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho

White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this

Get the fuck out of here with that race-baiting nonsense. People getting crucified left and right on here regardless of skin color. Nobody gives a fuck if JT is black or not. The allegations are heavy and Iím inclined to believe a sober Lizard who has nothing to gain from this and obviously has multiple incidents to go off.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Don on September 14, 2021, 01:51:07 AM
If allegations are true, LK did the right thing, sometimes justice system doesn't work properly and the only place you can reach for help is social media
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 14, 2021, 03:33:55 AM
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
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Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
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If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.

Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?

There's a very real chance that still nothing will change due to the insta post other than making making abuser more angry and putting the victims in a dangerous position. Would have a problem at all with this if the victims had posted/consented to the post.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Don on September 14, 2021, 03:40:07 AM
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
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Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
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If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.

Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?
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There's a very real chance that still nothing will change due to the insta post other than making making abuser more angry and putting the victims in a dangerous position. Would have a problem at all with this if the victims had posted/consented to the post.

It also can stop abuser from any violent actions cause if something will happen everybody will know who did it
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: GuessAgain? on September 14, 2021, 03:41:41 AM
TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.

I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!

Iíll admit it does seem like skateboarding is becoming quite drama filled as of the last year. However I think more than enough of these idiots have been getting their just deserts for some valid reasons, which wouldnít happen otherwise.

Posting on social is a definitely a bold move and can carry huge burdens if not true, but itís sort of a catch 22 really. A lot of the time weíve seen this stuff spread over social media and what do you know? Fragments of proof, other witnesses and receipts come from all sorts of places. Not saying that this will happen in this exact situation but I just donít see what else LK is gaining from this.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: veritas on September 14, 2021, 03:51:19 AM
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
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Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
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If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.

Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?
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There's a very real chance that still nothing will change due to the insta post other than making making abuser more angry and putting the victims in a dangerous position. Would have a problem at all with this if the victims had posted/consented to the post.
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It also can stop abuser from any violent actions cause if something will happen everybody will know who did it

If JT is engaging in this type of behavior, the posts help establish a timeline and pattern of behavior. If this is real and the cops have showed up and done nothing, then nothing will probably change until someone gets hurt. By then, at least the posts will prove that itís not an isolated incident.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: JANUS on September 14, 2021, 05:23:06 AM
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Racism has entered the chat.
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We are not in a post racial america

I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.

Iím not necessarily disagreeing with you. I was stoned in bed and thought I was funny. I tried to think of a counter-example, but the closest I got was Ethan Fowler after that Palace ad.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: conqueso on September 14, 2021, 05:34:10 AM
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Racism has entered the chat.
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We are not in a post racial america

I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.

you got kook'd for suggesting everyone here would be on his side if he was white

when in reality slap has cancelled tons of white skaters for being shitty people

Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: turd fergusion on September 14, 2021, 05:38:01 AM
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
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Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
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Probably when he first learned he was gonna have a kid. Itís crazy (in an amazing way) what becoming a parent does to some people.

Itís even crazier how it does nothing to others. My first born saved my life!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: matty_c on September 14, 2021, 05:40:22 AM
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Racism has entered the chat.
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We are not in a post racial america

I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
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you got kook'd for suggesting everyone here would be on his side if he was white

when in reality slap has cancelled tons of white skaters for being shitty people

Marinate on that for a little while
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: banksandledges on September 14, 2021, 05:44:41 AM
Does anyone have the video? Is it lizard just talking or actually footage of said incident? Sorry Iím late to the dance here
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: ok boomer on September 14, 2021, 06:30:28 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/yPFMQv3/marinate.gif) (https://ibb.co/F34fDZP)
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Allen. on September 14, 2021, 06:30:52 AM
It was just a post/poll on his story.

Also, for what itís worth, I was at work when I made my post, and went back and edited in ď*alleged*Ē, but my service is shitty there and apparently it didnít take.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Rattus Localis on September 14, 2021, 06:45:27 AM
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.

Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho

White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
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Get the fuck out of here with that race-baiting nonsense. People getting crucified left and right on here regardless of skin color. Nobody gives a fuck if JT is black or not. The allegations are heavy and Iím inclined to believe a sober Lizard who has nothing to gain from this and obviously has multiple incidents to go off.
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Post by: TastyBurrito on September 14, 2021, 06:56:01 AM
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
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Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
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Probably when he first learned he was gonna have a kid. Itís crazy (in an amazing way) what becoming a parent does to some people.
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Itís even crazier how it does nothing to others. My first born saved my life!

Why I said ďsome.Ē But hey, Iím glad your kid saved your life. Sounds like that kid has someone down for them for life.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: KGB on September 14, 2021, 08:02:44 AM
Of course itís true. Donít know why there is speculation. What does LK have to gain by sharing this? Why would he bother with it unless it was affecting his life in a uncontrollable negative way?
Unless itís revealed that he himself is a wife beating, sexual assaulting, neo nazi,Scientologist like every other pro from the 90ís I will have to believe it. For now.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Dorje Drolo on September 14, 2021, 08:17:27 AM
If it's true I hope JV gets help. I would hope Lizard tried to handle privately and didn't rush to throw this out there. We are all removed from this and don't know what exactly is going down. In todays culture of public shaming/canceling would be way more beneficial if people tried to reach out/help rather than pile on.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Red Eyed Swimmer on September 14, 2021, 08:23:13 AM
If it's getting rowdy enough that neighbors are aware(happening in the yard) its not private anymore
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: El Fapinator on September 14, 2021, 08:25:19 AM
If it's true I hope JV gets help. I would hope Lizard tried to handle privately and didn't rush to throw this out there. We are all removed from this and don't know what exactly is going down. In todays culture of public shaming/canceling would be way more beneficial if people tried to reach out/help rather than pile on.
I 100% agree with this sentiment.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: thuggyboii on September 14, 2021, 08:28:30 AM
Of course itís true. Donít know why there is speculation. What does LK have to gain by sharing this? Why would he bother with it unless it was affecting his life in a uncontrollable negative way?
Unless itís revealed that he himself is a wife beating, sexual assaulting, neo nazi,Scientologist like every other pro from the 90ís I will have to believe it. For now.

right??? with all the kooky/bummy shit lizard has sure to have done in his tenure in the industry I'm sure he knows when a dude is being more than a shitty loud neighbor that keeps your kids up on friday nights... the with the amount of OG's getting dogged and kook'd these days I think There's an apatite for getting these lames out of the spot light/known to the rest of the community how shitty of people they really are (especially when young kids grow up idolizing these guys Ex. Oyola & Fowler... fuck look at markovich dude is skating better than ever and is a full blown kook) ... I think for the longest time in the industry older pros/dudes with some lame ass views were able to stay relevant and connected to/on the top brands because no consumers actually knew what kooks these dudes were, whjat they were about & stayed supporting them.... Look at DP & 1010 recently lol... 
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: willphansbiggestfan on September 14, 2021, 08:35:46 AM
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.

Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho

White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
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I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.

If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.
Some unbelievably corny takes in this thread. Lizards racist now? Give me a fucking break.
This is why people donít take real race issues seriously.  Because you mouthbreathers have to constantly water it down with dumbass shit like this.
If I knew my neighbor was beating his wife and was trying to hurt me, while being respected around the community, Iíd gladly call that shit out too. It sounds like his wife needs help, not ignoring because we wouldnít want to ďair anybodyís dirty laundryĒ. Beating women is way more than dirty laundry.
Enjoy your stupid white guilt.
Kook away kooks
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: KGB on September 14, 2021, 08:40:44 AM
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Of course itís true. Donít know why there is speculation. What does LK have to gain by sharing this? Why would he bother with it unless it was affecting his life in a uncontrollable negative way?
Unless itís revealed that he himself is a wife beating, sexual assaulting, neo nazi,Scientologist like every other pro from the 90ís I will have to believe it. For now.
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right??? with all the kooky/bummy shit lizard has sure to have done in his tenure in the industry I'm sure he knows when a dude is being more than a shitty loud neighbor that keeps your kids up on friday nights... the with the amount of OG's getting dogged and kook'd these days I think There's an apatite for getting these lames out of the spot light/known to the rest of the community how shitty of people they really are (especially when young kids grow up idolizing these guys Ex. Oyola & Fowler... fuck look at markovich dude is skating better than ever and is a full blown kook) ... I think for the longest time in the industry older pros/dudes with some lame ass views were able to stay relevant and connected to/on the top brands because no consumers actually knew what kooks these dudes were, whjat they were about & stayed supporting them.... Look at DP & 1010 recently lol...


 Yes, exactly in the 90ís there was no social media and cameras in everyoneís pockets so a lot stuff never saw the light of day. But now these options are here and make it easy so people are getting called out, as they mostly should be. 
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: CanadianBacon on September 14, 2021, 08:51:03 AM
As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too.   It's almost as common as drug abuse these days.   Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time.  Not saying JT is guilty,  but if he is,  fuck him !!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 14, 2021, 10:03:39 AM
It was just a post/poll on his story.

Also, for what itís worth, I was at work when I made my post, and went back and edited in ď*alleged*Ē, but my service is shitty there and apparently it didnít take.

"Oh my god guys he is such an *alleged*Ē garbage person"
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: DaleSr on September 14, 2021, 10:05:44 AM
As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too.   It's almost as common as drug abuse these days.   Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time.  Not saying JT is guilty,  but if he is,  fuck him !!

Cop on the bloards???
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: CanadianBacon on September 14, 2021, 10:15:55 AM
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too.   It's almost as common as drug abuse these days.   Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time.  Not saying JT is guilty,  but if he is,  fuck him !!
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Cop on the bloards???

 Lol...Medic.... I only help people!!!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Sick Duck on September 14, 2021, 10:17:02 AM
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Racism has entered the chat.
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We are not in a post racial america

I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
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you got kook'd for suggesting everyone here would be on his side if he was white

when in reality slap has cancelled tons of white skaters for being shitty people
no dude he is a victim because people lowered his slap rep
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: DaleSr on September 14, 2021, 10:18:14 AM
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too.   It's almost as common as drug abuse these days.   Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time.  Not saying JT is guilty,  but if he is,  fuck him !!
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Cop on the bloards???
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 Lol...Medic.... I only help people!!!

No worries, i thought the Canadian bacon handle was an impulse to tell on yourself haha
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: cherry on September 14, 2021, 10:19:54 AM
Obviously jovantae unless lizard king shows up with the ring of the eye of the Mormon
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 14, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
Isnít the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesnít result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?

Itís not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LKís story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: rawbertson. on September 14, 2021, 11:04:04 AM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
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To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, thatís a looong time ago.

Also - Iíve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think heís natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. Heís just a skate rat and I love that.

hes only 36 homey lol
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Kanye Omari West on September 14, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
Isnít the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesnít result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?

Itís not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LKís story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.

Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.

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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
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To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, thatís a looong time ago.

Also - Iíve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think heís natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. Heís just a skate rat and I love that.
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hes only 36 homey lol

They were talking about Karl being in his mid 40s.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: rawbertson. on September 14, 2021, 11:09:32 AM
doh!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: CanadianBacon on September 14, 2021, 11:16:39 AM
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too.   It's almost as common as drug abuse these days.   Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time.  Not saying JT is guilty,  but if he is,  fuck him !!
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Cop on the bloards???
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 Lol...Medic.... I only help people!!!
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No worries, i thought the Canadian bacon handle was an impulse to tell on yourself haha
Lol I actually had the same thought about my username as soon as you asked !!!!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: TastyBurrito on September 14, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
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Isnít the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesnít result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?

Itís not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LKís story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
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Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.

Wish I could gnar you.

My aunt was a victim of this shit.

Cops were called on their trailer plenty of times for loud arguments, throwing shit, etc. She didn't want to press charges so the cops left. If there's no sign of PHYSICAL damage or injuries, they can't legally do shit.

My mom and her sisters reasoned with her to leave. She didn't want to. She was trying to save the family. And probably trying to not make him mad.

While thankfully it wasn't physical abuse, at least I wasn't told it wasn't, there was A LOT of psychological and emotional abuse. And most importantly, thankfully, she finally got out of that mess.

As far as putting it on social, I think it helps bring light to the situation. As in my aunt's case, they lived in a fucking trailer park. People live close to one another. People heard it. People probably saw it. And luckily enough, one person, though they didn't come forward, cared enough to call the cops every so often.

So can you imagine, in the case of JT, how many of their apartment neighbors turned a blind eye/deaf ear to it before LK put it on blast?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: boi-cuzudo on September 14, 2021, 02:32:04 PM
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Isnít the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesnít result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?

Itís not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LKís story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
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Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.
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Wish I could gnar you.

My aunt was a victim of this shit.

Cops were called on their trailer plenty of times for loud arguments, throwing shit, etc. She didn't want to press charges so the cops left. If there's no sign of PHYSICAL damage or injuries, they can't legally do shit.

My mom and her sisters reasoned with her to leave. She didn't want to. She was trying to save the family. And probably trying to not make him mad.

While thankfully it wasn't physical abuse, at least I wasn't told it wasn't, there was A LOT of psychological and emotional abuse. And most importantly, thankfully, she finally got out of that mess.

As far as putting it on social, I think it helps bring light to the situation. As in my aunt's case, they lived in a fucking trailer park. People live close to one another. People heard it. People probably saw it. And luckily enough, one person, though they didn't come forward, cared enough to call the cops every so often.

So can you imagine, in the case of JT, how many of their apartment neighbors turned a blind eye/deaf ear to it before LK put it on blast?

This is a difficult topic, most difficult when there is dependency, usually of the financial and emotional order...and when the victim doesn't have anywhere or anyone else to go to. It's a shitty situation for all involved.

I'm tired of this World.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 14, 2021, 04:30:09 PM
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Isnít the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesnít result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?

Itís not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LKís story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
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Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.
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Wish I could gnar you.

My aunt was a victim of this shit.

Cops were called on their trailer plenty of times for loud arguments, throwing shit, etc. She didn't want to press charges so the cops left. If there's no sign of PHYSICAL damage or injuries, they can't legally do shit.

My mom and her sisters reasoned with her to leave. She didn't want to. She was trying to save the family. And probably trying to not make him mad.

While thankfully it wasn't physical abuse, at least I wasn't told it wasn't, there was A LOT of psychological and emotional abuse. And most importantly, thankfully, she finally got out of that mess.

As far as putting it on social, I think it helps bring light to the situation. As in my aunt's case, they lived in a fucking trailer park. People live close to one another. People heard it. People probably saw it. And luckily enough, one person, though they didn't come forward, cared enough to call the cops every so often.

So can you imagine, in the case of JT, how many of their apartment neighbors turned a blind eye/deaf ear to it before LK put it on blast?

Good points from all those who are quoted. I still think Lk's idea to post could put dangerous pressure on the alleged abuser (they don't usually handle that well), and doesn't consider the victim's agency or privacy, but it could also absolutely be the push some folks need to offer support or do something about it. Imo best way to create documentation is to continue to report it to the appropriate authorities. Edit: I'm speaking as a mandated reporter who has experience in similar situations and could not imagine sharing certain information with anyone who isn't guaranteed to use that information carefully, respectfully, and with the purpose of supporting the victims (so, the opposite of posting a public, screenshot-able Instagram post to an account with a large following). Think of how it could tear a family apart or otherwise exacerbate the situation without any legal ground being gained...

I will say, however, that while domestic abuse is pervasive across race and class lines, an abuser's race and SES (without a doubt) affect how their actions are perceived by the public at large. Also, specifically here, the fact that these are both pro skateboarders with impactful careers affects how the situation is perceived by the people involved in this discussion. Biases exist, and it doesn't hurt to acknowledge and be mindful of them in a discussion like this. I do think those things were worthy of at least being considered before we all rushed to make posts either immediately condemning JT (but yeah dude is probably definitely guilty of abuse) or questioning the validity if LK's story based on who is to us here (see page 1-2 of this thread).
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: BinkyConklinFan on September 14, 2021, 04:42:36 PM
Man this is so crazy. I don't know how many of you are parents but it's hard as hell for me to not freak out when someone puts my kids in harm's way. Thinking that he's tried to fight Lizard while he was holding his daughter is crazy. I mean I've heard stories over the years too but I'd rather not speak on them, other than to say personally, I don't really blame Lizard for trying to do something about it or at least tell someone. Probably not the best way to do it, but now at least people know his point of view in case something really bad happens. I dunno. This whole thing sucks.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: dustyassrocketswitchv on September 14, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
sooo....racist to side with lizard on this one orrr...oh please SLAP tell me what to think pleeeease!
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 14, 2021, 05:39:03 PM
sooo....racist to side with lizard on this one orrr...oh please SLAP tell me what to think pleeeease!

Lol yeah that does sound like something someone who is a lil racist would say
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Post by: dustyassrocketswitchv on September 14, 2021, 05:52:41 PM
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sooo....racist to side with lizard on this one orrr...oh please SLAP tell me what to think pleeeease!
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Lol yeah that does sound like something someone who is a lil racist would say

Oooh nice, just a little! Sweet
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: shouldn't on September 14, 2021, 05:59:53 PM
so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like youíre doing the very thing youíre preaching against by saying that. ďoh we canít trust what he says happened because heís not blackĒ fight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 14, 2021, 06:08:32 PM
so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like youíre doing the very thing youíre preaching against by saying that. ďoh we canít trust what he says happened because heís not blackĒfight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.

Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
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Post by: JANUS on September 14, 2021, 06:35:08 PM
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like youíre doing the very thing youíre preaching against by saying that. ďoh we canít trust what he says happened because heís not blackĒfight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
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Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.

That sounds a lil biased.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Lil Ricky on September 14, 2021, 06:37:02 PM
Jovantae had the smoother style, and Lizard the more unique style, but over all I think they're both a bit overrated as far as skill goes. As far as the alleged domestic drama, that's none of my business. I'll leave that to the SLAP henhouse to sort out.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 14, 2021, 07:15:03 PM
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like youíre doing the very thing youíre preaching against by saying that. ďoh we canít trust what he says happened because heís not blackĒfight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
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Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
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That sounds a lil biased.

Let me be the first to admit that it is, but before I'm accused of reverse racism, let me remind folks that this is happening in America. We've had a bit of a problem here, you see, and a long term symptom of that problem is that a lot of the white people here (myself included) were raised in a culture permeated by anti black bias of all shades, severities, sizes, what have you. So, excuse me for suggesting it might be the case that LK was feeling extra spicy because of his cultural programming. His Instagram post still reads to me as intentionally airing other people's business without the true intention of support, regardless of any truth in his allegations (which, AGAIN, I am not disputing).

As someone already pointed out, i don't think JT' race and LK's race are the MOST significant factors here, but something to consider nonetheless when you approach a situation like this. If it were considered more, discussed more, if the conversation were normalized, we'd probably be in a much better position to start changing harmful perceptions and even behaviors. We'd have fewer babies crying about "thought control" when we suggest that hey, you might believe some fucked up things despite what your mother says about you. People might also understand it's not their fault, and even better, they can do things about it. We'd understand the difference between a race based bias and being a Nazi, and we wouldn't get our feathers so ruffled when someone mentions it.

Edit: I'd like to add that Lil Ricky knows nothing of style, and is not qualified to speak on it.
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Post by: 23shinseal on September 14, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
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To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, thatís a looong time ago.

Also - Iíve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think heís natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. Heís just a skate rat and I love that.
yeah he's never seemed like anything but a great dude who likes to have fun. a little bit crazy but I believe him.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Lil Ricky on September 14, 2021, 07:37:05 PM
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like youíre doing the very thing youíre preaching against by saying that. ďoh we canít trust what he says happened because heís not blackĒfight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
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Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
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That sounds a lil biased.
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Edit: I'd like to add that Lil Ricky knows nothing of style, and is not qualified to speak on it.

I thought my descriptions of their styles were quite reasonable, thank you.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: stone cold steve austin on September 15, 2021, 01:46:41 AM
This thread is a shit show
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Post by: Youoverthere on September 15, 2021, 02:59:07 AM
This thread is a shit show
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Post by: dustyassrocketswitchv on September 17, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like youíre doing the very thing youíre preaching against by saying that. ďoh we canít trust what he says happened because heís not blackĒfight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
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Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
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That sounds a lil biased.
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Let me be the first to admit that it is, but before I'm accused of reverse racism, let me remind folks that this is happening in America. We've had a bit of a problem here, you see, and a long term symptom of that problem is that a lot of the white people here (myself included) were raised in a culture permeated by anti black bias of all shades, severities, sizes, what have you. So, excuse me for suggesting it might be the case that LK was feeling extra spicy because of his cultural programming. His Instagram post still reads to me as intentionally airing other people's business without the true intention of support, regardless of any truth in his allegations (which, AGAIN, I am not disputing).

As someone already pointed out, i don't think JT' race and LK's race are the MOST significant factors here, but something to consider nonetheless when you approach a situation like this. If it were considered more, discussed more, if the conversation were normalized, we'd probably be in a much better position to start changing harmful perceptions and even behaviors. We'd have fewer babies crying about "thought control" when we suggest that hey, you might believe some fucked up things despite what your mother says about you. People might also understand it's not their fault, and even better, they can do things about it. We'd understand the difference between a race based bias and being a Nazi, and we wouldn't get our feathers so ruffled when someone mentions it.

Edit: I'd like to add that Lil Ricky knows nothing of style, and is not qualified to speak on it.

 I think you need to take JTís dickk out ya mouth, ya reverse racist cuck
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 17, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
This thread is a shit show
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Buttholesurfer on September 17, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
Itís hard to believe someone who spells ďwichĒ wrong
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 17, 2021, 05:02:26 PM
This thread is a shit show
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: thomascandia on September 19, 2021, 03:12:50 AM
Basically posted a IG story exposing Jovantae (his current neighbor) of beating his wife in front of their kids on more than one occasion and even him trying to fight Liz. Shit sounds messy. I'm backing him on calling the law.

(https://i.ibb.co/hWdFgng/Screenshot-20210913-123831-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hWdFgng)


Lizard:" I live to the next door of a old pro skater..." ,  because Lizard is a younger pro skater instead.  Dinosaur King or  maybe Fossil King.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 21, 2021, 02:51:06 PM
This thread is a shit show
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Post by: Arto!Arto!WakeUp! on September 22, 2021, 04:41:58 AM
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?

Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.

That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
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To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, thatís a looong time ago.

Also - Iíve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think heís natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. Heís just a skate rat and I love that.
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yeah he's never seemed like anything but a great dude who likes to have fun. a little bit crazy but I believe him.

look, karl watson is my 2nd skater favorite of all time, but let's be real - the 90s skate culture was top to bottom chock full of cancelable behaviour. take karl, probably the nicest dude in the game from the era - or any era. his part in the profile promo, literally starts with a shot of a girl getting upskirted. pretty fucking gross...
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Tony on September 22, 2021, 05:10:30 AM
This thread is a shit show
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Post by: radcunt on September 22, 2021, 07:09:43 AM
Tunrner
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Post by: Kanye Omari West on September 22, 2021, 07:10:31 AM
Convenient thread bump with this Gabby Petito shit happening. This shit really happens folks.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: donkey on September 22, 2021, 07:34:21 AM
BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: NoComply180 on September 22, 2021, 08:27:27 AM
So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if heís a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?

Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: willphansbiggestfan on September 22, 2021, 09:20:09 AM
So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if heís a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?

Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
Thereís way more nuance to it than just skin color. This is called critical thinking.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: NoComply180 on September 22, 2021, 09:57:40 AM
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if heís a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?

Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
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Thereís way more nuance to it than just skin color. This is called critical thinking.
whatís the nuance then?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: NoComply180 on September 22, 2021, 10:34:34 AM
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if heís a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?

Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
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Thereís way more nuance to it than just skin color. This is called critical thinking.
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whatís the nuance then?
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My point is, race never had anything to do with this and you should shut the fuck up
people literally brought up race in this thread as a factor regarding what we should think of the situation. Did you not read the thread?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: everythingisgreat on September 22, 2021, 10:51:50 AM
BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole

What? Can you please explain how you believe heís a racist?
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Post by: donkey on September 22, 2021, 10:55:17 AM
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
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What? Can you please explain how you believe heís a racist?
i dont think hes a racist at all
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Post by: doublesteveburger on September 22, 2021, 11:27:00 AM
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
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What? Can you please explain how you believe heís a racist?
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i dont think hes a racist at all

Iím starting to think heís not even a real King.
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Post by: TastyBurrito on September 22, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
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What? Can you please explain how you believe heís a racist?
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i dont think hes a racist at all
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Iím starting to think heís not even a real King.

I doubt he's even a lizard.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: hot take on September 22, 2021, 02:59:50 PM
This shit is so whack. Never buying a JT or LK pro model ever again
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 22, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if heís a black man accused of domestic violence

Nobody in this thread said or even implied that, ever. I'm really sorry, but people that come through with "hot takes" like yours and this

 
BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole

are why we can't have productive, nuanced conversations about race. Again, I'm sorry you don't understand, but you're not doing yourself any favors charging into situations with your guns blazing without even understanding what's going on. I encourage you to give it a solid reread if it's so important that you have a dig up an old, already shitty thread in an attempt to ruffle feathers.

Edit: sorry, you weren't the one that bumped it. Still...
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: ManimalChin on September 22, 2021, 07:08:39 PM
From everything I've heard, I'm inclined to believe both allegations (abuse and theft) are true.
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Post by: aŗŠ‚šś„Ś on September 22, 2021, 07:15:01 PM
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if heís a black man accused of domestic violence
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Nobody in this thread said or even implied that, ever.

Itís a serious injustice that no one here will presume the innocence of a person until heís proven guilty.

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Nah, homie on page one came through with that truth:


Im gonna need receipts before I condemn a black man publicly in a way that could legitimately ruin his life if untrue

Especially if thats the source fuck outta here


Unrelated, but biometricians if youíre reading, please develop a measurement of heart beats per minute before posting and if they exceed an arbitrary threshold immediately prohibit submission.

I hate the 21st century (and itís lack of technology). If only there was a way to provide receipts for domestic violence.   :-[
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: NoComply180 on September 22, 2021, 07:49:51 PM
If jovontae turner was accused of sexual assault nobody would have even brought up race. Heíd be assumed guilty.

What makes this situation different?

To be clear, Iím not saying anything about if he is guilty or is not. Just wondering what makes this different than if someone posted on social media about him sexually assaulting someone.
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Post by: Urtripping on September 23, 2021, 02:39:10 AM
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if heís a black man accused of domestic violence
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Nobody in this thread said or even implied that, ever.
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Itís a serious injustice that no one here will presume the innocence of a person until heís proven guilty.

Another serious injustice is the fact that women have historically been the victims of abuse crimes that are hardly ever reported or taken seriously. Obviously we are not a court of law, and we definitely don't have evidence past Lizard King's attempt at spelling (the actual victim's voice is yet to be heard), but I don't perceive the tendency to believe victims as an injustice. I mean, technically he is innocent until proven guilty, even if people online are considering the possibility of him doing it...

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Especially if thats the source fuck outta here
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Honestly the only "receipt" I would need  would be the victim speaking out against the abuser, regardless of their social or racial identity. However, like it's been said, it's a seriously underreported crime because of how tangled and messy it can be for victims, and because of the historical tendency to dismiss allegations. Lizard King is dead wrong for posting it, I really do think so, he could have just reported what he saw privately. Not saying I have a whole lotta faith in our legal system, but it's better than causing all of this speculation and potentially making things even worse for the victim.

@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: JANUS on September 23, 2021, 04:27:54 AM
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What? Can you please explain how you believe heís a racist?
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i dont think hes a racist at all
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Iím starting to think heís not even a real King.

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Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: WPG on September 23, 2021, 06:07:06 AM
Anyone else think LK is just a tool and thought taking it to IG like a man was the only thing to do because his brain is fried from years of partying? I donít think  he did it cuz of some deep seed racism I just think heís not very bright
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: JimmyCarlinsJumpRope on September 23, 2021, 06:20:47 AM
If I'm Liz in this instance, I don't think that the social media blast is going to help his neighbor feud lol.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Anti waxxer on September 23, 2021, 06:39:17 PM


@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
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  Someone feel free to correct me if Iím wrong but, I canít ever remember lizard king being accused of anything racist the entire time heís been on the scene, dude has been in deathwish/baker vans on tour for yearsÖ Iím sure if he had been saying racist shit or had any kind of feelings as such we would have heard about it by nowÖ yet here you and pro club blanks are assuming someone elseís mentality towards other races, either you guys are racist or youíre really hoping he is so you have another person to try to cancel.
Everyone is all ďout all abusersĒ all the time on social media, here you go someone outs an abuser and you are upset that itís a white guy with a bunch of shitty tattoos from the middle of the country doing the outing and attempting to spin it into him being racist.. do you not see how insane that is?  Focus your brain.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Rattus Localis on September 23, 2021, 07:13:18 PM


@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
  Someone feel free to correct me if Iím wrong but, I canít ever remember lizard king being accused of anything racist the entire time heís been on the scene, dude has been in deathwish/baker vans on tour for yearsÖ Iím sure if he had been saying racist shit or had any kind of feelings as such we would have heard about it by nowÖ yet here you and pro club blanks are assuming someone elseís mentality towards other races, either you guys are racist or youíre really hoping he is so you have another person to try to cancel.
Everyone is all ďout all abusersĒ all the time on social media, here you go someone outs an abuser and you are upset that itís a white guy with a bunch of shitty tattoos from the middle of the country doing the outing and attempting to spin it into him being racist.. do you not see how insane that is?  Focus your brain.
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Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Atiba Applebum on September 23, 2021, 08:38:51 PM
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@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
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  Someone feel free to correct me if Iím wrong but, I canít ever remember lizard king being accused of anything racist the entire time heís been on the scene, dude has been in deathwish/baker vans on tour for yearsÖ Iím sure if he had been saying racist shit or had any kind of feelings as such we would have heard about it by nowÖ yet here you and pro club blanks are assuming someone elseís mentality towards other races, either you guys are racist or youíre really hoping he is so you have another person to try to cancel.
Everyone is all ďout all abusersĒ all the time on social media, here you go someone outs an abuser and you are upset that itís a white guy with a bunch of shitty tattoos from the middle of the country doing the outing and attempting to spin it into him being racist.. do you not see how insane that is?  Focus your brain.

Fucking Amen.
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Itís the same shit when people talk about the shit OJ, Michael Jackson, Cosby, R Kelly et al do.   ďWhy are you trying to cancel our black menĒ attitude as if their creative output wasnít seriously overshadowed by the heinous acts they did
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: pro club blanks on September 23, 2021, 11:43:17 PM
To be clear, once again, it isnt that the accusations couldnt possibly be true its that once again people are quicker than normal to believe the absolute worst when a black person is accused

Its a 2nd hand account from a neighbor who he is feuding with

Typically we are taking into account 1st hand accounts from victims themselves

And at no point did anyone say "well this is a litte fucked a familys well being and health is being discussed, so maybe the ike turner jokes are in bad taste"

Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it, but dont act like race doesnt effect how public opinion is shaped in america
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Atiba Applebum on September 23, 2021, 11:50:55 PM
To be clear, once again, it isnt that the accusations couldnt possibly be true its that once again people are quicker than normal to believe the absolute worst when a black person is accused

Its a 2nd hand account from a neighbor who he is feuding with

Typically we are taking into account 1st hand accounts from victims themselves

And at no point did anyone say "well this is a litte fucked a familys well being and health is being discussed, so maybe the ike turner jokes are in bad taste"

Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it, but dont act like race doesnt effect how public opinion is shaped in america

I think weíve been equal opportunity appalled at the behavior of skaters in general.  Thereís a Daryl thread dealing with a lot of the same issues
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 02:56:54 AM
Once again, people feeling attacked because the word "racist" makes them feel so uncomfortable that they can't think.

Every single person that grew up in America has racial biases, it's how it is. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll start to realize that it's wayyyyyy different than being a swastika wearing, head shaving, n word using racist (which, AGAIN, nobody accused Lizard King of being).

I have a tendency to believe victims, and even in this situation think there is some truth to the allegations, which maybe comes from my own fucking bias, as @pro club blanks is also patiently trying to explain. Personally I don't think LK would fabricate this story, but when people say "out all abusers" they're generally giving that message to former victims who have a safe enough distance from their abuser and have had time to heal. Not your idiot neighbor posting an insta poll arbitrarily asking his followers whether he's right or wrong for calling cps on your family.

Edit: one more time in case my white fragility friends come at me again: I am not accusing Lk of being the kind of racist you learned about watching Remember the Titans: a screaming, hate filled bigot with only malice toward black people in his heart. Scrub that image from your brain because that is NOT what's being discussed here. All I am trying to say is that what we do and think is often influenced by these biases WE ALL have, and it is my personal opinion that it is not completely out of this world to believe that LK was feeling a bit influenced by his own when he took to social media instead of calling proper authorities.

If our man really wanted to be the hero, he could have contacted JTs wife, asked about her situation, offered help, asked if it would be helpful to use his platform, wrote the post (and checked for spelling!), and then sent it out to the masses. Rather, it seems he typed it in a rage fueled hurry and shat it out onto Instagram for us all to see and argue about here. I do hope some good comes from the post if what he says is true (which AGAIN, I am leaning towards believing!!).

Final edit: some of you guys remind of the middle aged white people I work with during racial sensitivity trainings: smart enough to understand what's being said, but lacking the courage to accept that you might play a role (albeit a small one, individually) in perpetuating some ways of thinking that disproportionately affect black people. It helps to swallow the pill when you consider you were born into these circumstances, its often subconscious, and the best you can do is to be as aware of it as you can and work against it when possible.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Paul Cicero on September 24, 2021, 04:19:29 AM
Once again, people feeling attacked because the word "racist" makes them feel so uncomfortable that they can't think.

Every single person that grew up in America has racial biases, it's how it is. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll start to realize that it's wayyyyyy different than being a swastika wearing, head shaving, n word using racist (which, AGAIN, nobody accused Lizard King of being).

I have a tendency to believe victims, and even in this situation think there is some truth to the allegations, which maybe comes from my own fucking bias, as @pro club blanks is also patiently trying to explain. Personally I don't think LK would fabricate this story, but when people say "out all abusers" they're generally giving that message to former victims who have a safe enough distance from their abuser and have had time to heal. Not your idiot neighbor posting an insta poll arbitrarily asking his followers whether he's right or wrong for calling cps on your family.

Edit: one more time in case my white fragility friends come at me again: I am not accusing Lk of being the kind of racist you learned about watching Remember the Titans: a screaming, hate filled bigot with only malice toward black people in his heart. Scrub that image from your brain because that is NOT what's being discussed here. All I am trying to say is that what we do and think is often influenced by these biases WE ALL have, and it is my personal opinion that it is not completely out of this world to believe that LK was feeling a bit influenced by his own when he took to social media instead of calling proper authorities.

If our man really wanted to be the hero, he could have contacted JTs wife, asked about her situation, offered help, asked if it would be helpful to use his platform, wrote the post (and checked for spelling!), and then sent it out to the masses. Rather, it seems he typed it in a rage fueled hurry and shat it out onto Instagram for us all to see and argue about here. I do hope some good comes from the post if what he says is true (which AGAIN, I am leaning towards believing!!).

Final edit: some of you guys remind of the middle aged white people I work with during racial sensitivity trainings: smart enough to understand what's being said, but lacking the courage to accept that you might play a role (albeit a small one, individually) in perpetuating some ways of thinking that disproportionately affect black people. It helps to swallow the pill when you consider you were born into these circumstances, its often subconscious, and the best you can do is to be as aware of it as you can and work against it when possible.

Sorry - please enlighten everyone on how to think as white men - tell me more about how my thoughts can be better towards black people.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 04:46:11 AM
It's some really scary thought control stuff, idk. I basically want you to walk around and feel guilty about yourself ALL THE TIME. Know that you are the racist, the worst of all kinds of people, and you should tiptoe around minorities or triggered lefties.

I might as well just say what you're going to hear, right?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Paul Cicero on September 24, 2021, 05:03:23 AM
It's some really scary thought control stuff, idk. I basically want you to walk around and feel guilty about yourself ALL THE TIME. Know that you are the racist, the worst of all kinds of people, and you should tiptoe around minorities or triggered lefties.

I might as well just say what you're going to hear, right?

No - youíre the one that has a problem with peopleís thoughts. Please, elaborate
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: ManimalChin on September 24, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
To be clear, once again, it isnt that the accusations couldnt possibly be true its that once again people are quicker than normal to believe the absolute worst when a black person is accused

Its a 2nd hand account from a neighbor who he is feuding with

Typically we are taking into account 1st hand accounts from victims themselves

And at no point did anyone say "well this is a litte fucked a familys well being and health is being discussed, so maybe the ike turner jokes are in bad taste"

Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it, but dont act like race doesnt effect how public opinion is shaped in america

Lol
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 10:09:30 AM
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It's some really scary thought control stuff, idk. I basically want you to walk around and feel guilty about yourself ALL THE TIME. Know that you are the racist, the worst of all kinds of people, and you should tiptoe around minorities or triggered lefties.

I might as well just say what you're going to hear, right?
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No - youíre the one that has a problem with peopleís thoughts. Please, elaborate

I have a problem with people ignoring the truth and making the "I don't have a racist bone in my body" argument for themselves or others. It makes me disappointed when people fail to think critically about race relations in America and end up saying/doing things that reinforce oppression. I really don't think there are any egregious examples of racism here, and it's sad to me when people can't separate idea of subconscious bias and overt racism. I dont even have a problem with the fact that we have bias, I am a person with my own. I just wish people would be brave enough to accept and investigate theirs, and even consider that great skateboarders might have biases that influence their behaviors too. You're trying to spin it like I want everyone to think a certain way - no, I want everyone to be critical of why they think certain ways and decide whether or not it might be harmful based on an understanding of what has happened and is happening with race and power in America and elsewhere. If you can't be bothered to do that, I'm sorry, I'll stop trying to "control how others think."
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: willphansbiggestfan on September 24, 2021, 10:39:30 AM
This is why people hate liberals lol
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 01:15:31 PM
This is why people hate liberals lol

Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?

I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.

It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: EdLawndale on September 24, 2021, 01:19:44 PM
No disrespect to anyone, but I tend to agree with your stance on this topic, Urtripping.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Paul Cicero on September 24, 2021, 01:35:48 PM
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This is why people hate liberals lol
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Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?

I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.

It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.

No - Itís because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesnít agree with you.

Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 01:37:45 PM
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This is why people hate liberals lol
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Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?

I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.

It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
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No - Itís because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesnít agree with you.

Hey, friend... from where I'm sitting, that's what you're doing too. I didn't even go off until people came in with dismissive sarcasm.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Paul Cicero on September 24, 2021, 02:07:44 PM
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This is why people hate liberals lol
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Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?

I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.

It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
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No - Itís because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesnít agree with you.
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Hey, friend... from where I'm sitting, that's what you're doing too. I didn't even go off until people came in with dismissive sarcasm.

Hello, friend - Iím not american for the record, I just find comments like this wildly arrogant and presumptuous:

ď and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publiclyĒ
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 02:19:11 PM
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This is why people hate liberals lol
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Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?

I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.

It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
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No - Itís because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesnít agree with you.
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Hey, friend... from where I'm sitting, that's what you're doing too. I didn't even go off until people came in with dismissive sarcasm.
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Hello, friend - Iím not american for the record, I just find comments like this wildly arrogant and presumptuous:

ď and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publiclyĒ

I can understand that. I don't see it that way at all, because I've been immersed in this culture and have done a whole lot of work to become mindful and critial of my upbringing and backwater, rural American beliefs.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: PatrickSkateman on September 24, 2021, 02:28:41 PM
Imagine the outrage and cognitive dissonance that would occur if Jovontae put this board graphic out in 2021.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R9ZWZQdmw0g/T2qJawPU6TI/AAAAAAAAR5E/g12Tdy3rE24/s1600/probablygonnagetsomecomplaintsaboutthisonechrome.jpg)
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 02:34:35 PM
Lol is it cognitive dissonance to recognize and appreciate the irony there while holding strong beliefs about racial justice?
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: PatrickSkateman on September 24, 2021, 02:41:50 PM
Lol is it cognitive dissonance to recognize and appreciate the irony there while holding strong beliefs about racial justice?

Not at all.
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Urtripping on September 24, 2021, 02:55:07 PM
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Lol is it cognitive dissonance to recognize and appreciate the irony there while holding strong beliefs about racial justice?
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Not at all.

Gnar'd for being great
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: dustyassrocketswitchv on September 24, 2021, 03:10:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIqCp4XBzRo
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: Copthorne14 on September 24, 2021, 07:28:40 PM
Skating in the 21 St century imagine being hung up on race while skating KOOK lmao
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: life is a hell ride on September 27, 2021, 05:18:11 AM
(https://www.juxtapoz.com/images/Austin%20McManus/february_15/23/jux_kadism.jpg)

(https://preview.redd.it/wbovfh7xg5k21.jpg?auto=webp&s=05b5b94f3ce50f3a31e2da37c8d52159ccdb457a)
Title: Re: Lizard King vs Jovantae Turner
Post by: livin on a speyer on September 27, 2021, 06:16:16 AM
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