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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: thomascandia on September 19, 2021, 03:03:35 AM
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I don't want mention any name, but a guy who ride for Primitive, as told to my friend, earn, just with his pro board, 100k euros at year. I can't believe there is so much income in the board market just for certain people, when some others pros don't even get paid by their boards sponsors.
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Supply and demand dude
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That Dragonball Z money son
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This sounds like one of those extinction of the middle class pieces, like that Dyrdek interview where he predicted it 20 years ago.
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Is 100k even that much?
What's the average primitive pays?
What's the average any pro get paid?
What's the actual minimum pay that's still fair for a pro? $12000 a year per sponsor?
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Is 100k even that much?
What's the average primitive pays?
What's the average any pro get paid?
What's the actual minimum pay that's still fair for a pro? $12000 a year per sponsor?
You sound like some guy I work with who tries to appear smart by only asking questions and never giving answers.
I’d never get a chance to say this to him in real life, so I’ll just pretend with you—
Hey, Mike, you’re a fucking asshole.
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Is 100k even that much?
What's the average primitive pays?
What's the average any pro get paid?
What's the actual minimum pay that's still fair for a pro? $12000 a year per sponsor?
I’d never get a chance to say this to him in real life, so I’ll just pretend with you—
Hey, Mike, you’re a fucking asshole.
Yeah it's me Mike from work. Ever notice your kid kind of looks like me? Recon your wife's keeping a secret? Do you like these questions?
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Is 100k even that much?
What's the average primitive pays?
What's the average any pro get paid?
What's the actual minimum pay that's still fair for a pro? $12000 a year per sponsor?
I’d never get a chance to say this to him in real life, so I’ll just pretend with you—
Hey, Mike, you’re a fucking asshole.
yeah fuck Mike!
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Is 100k even that much?
What's the average primitive pays?
What's the average any pro get paid?
What's the actual minimum pay that's still fair for a pro? $12000 a year per sponsor?
I’d never get a chance to say this to him in real life, so I’ll just pretend with you—
Hey, Mike, you’re a fucking asshole.
Socrates abd
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Is 100k even that much?
I think it’s great they make that much. It also shows that Paul is a great guy and sharing the wealth.
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Seems unlikely
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If they are than great for them. Most companies would just exploit you.
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100k in California is like 50k in the Midwest. Comfortable, but not really a big deal
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As much as I don’t care for primitive graphics, they seem to be doing it right and taking care of the team. Those limited edition collabs seem to sell out fast and are a guaranteed good investment, and they have every aspect of social media covered. I feel like the amount of effort they put into marketing really pays off. They also put out consistent footage spread pretty evenly throughout the team. There’s no secret to their success.
I’m betting Tiago makes a fair amount from royalties alone
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Don’t be mad at them, be mad at the nigga negotiating your deals.
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It's like the creativity of the brand aswell, you can imagine how much a board co would make with the biggest video of the year and limited competition
Then when you cross it with exclusivity its greater, there's brands I rarely see
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All those collabs pay nice
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I'm always amazed by how some posters don't think X amount of money for a skateboarder is possible.
Let's just break it down from a brand perspective here (not the brand mentioned in the thread, but ANY big board company right now)
We're talking about niche global brands.
This brand in particular has 1.5 million Instagram followers. A few retail stores. Boards are available in shops from Tokyo to Toronto. On top of that, eCommerce is likely a huge amount of the brand's biz.
But board companies aren't just "board" companies. They sell a large number of soft goods. Clothing probably accounts for most of their profits (margin-wise). Mark up on soft goods (backpacks to baseball caps to beanies) is huge.
From this point on, it's pure speculation on my part.
But let's just imagine this brand is doing 10,000,000 USD in total revenue per year.
Most marketing-driven businesses spend (or reinvest) about 10-15% of their revenue into marketing.
Skateboarding is the definition of a marketing-driven biz. And the primary vehicle for skate marketing is the skaters themselves.
10% of 10,000,000 USD is 1,000,000 USD.
Let's say a team is made up of 8 to 15 skaters. A 100,000 USD salary isn't out of the question. If the team has 10 pro skaters and each skater is paid the same, they're each making that amount.
But skateboarding is a meritocracy. Each skater has a different worth depending on their skill and reach (marketability).
So board brand salaries above that aren't out of the question.
Throughout history on this message board, we've heard stories of pros making huge amounts off board and shoe royalties. Royalties are a factor too.
But this is just an overview of how a brand this size could spend its money on its biggest marketing tools (skaters themselves). And how those pieces of pies could be divided up.
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i'm pretty sure toy machine makes a significant portion of their proceeds from their socks
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He did say euros, which is 130k-ish USD, off just a board sponsor alone.
That’s fucking great!
*edit* 117k
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primitive stock x collab
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Primitive makes bank from clothing. Just like DGK a few years back. 100k is year seems reasonable. Kids love that naruto stuff. If you can get 100k off a board sponsor and get one more big sponsor like shoes or drinks, then you’re good.
Keelan was making 120k in 2014 just off kayo
(https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hllkmd2lxhojkuqi1td2.png)
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100k in California is like 50k in the Midwest. Comfortable, but not really a big deal
he is an European pro who leaving in Europe.
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Primitive makes bank from clothing. Just like DGK a few years back. 100k is year seems reasonable. Kids love that naruto stuff. If you can get 100k off a board sponsor and get one more big sponsor like shoes or drinks, then you’re good.
Keelan was making 120k in 2014 just off kayo
(https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hllkmd2lxhojkuqi1td2.png)
What I immediately thought of. Who’s gonna pull a Keelan and think they’re bigger than the brand and blow it first? *without the sex crimes*
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Not a fan of their graphics but their team definitely deserves to get paid like that.
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Is 100k even that much?
What's the average primitive pays?
What's the average any pro get paid?
What's the actual minimum pay that's still fair for a pro? $12000 a year per sponsor?
I’d never get a chance to say this to him in real life, so I’ll just pretend with you—
Hey, Mike, you’re a fucking asshole.
Socrates abd
HAHAHAHA
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I hope JB is one of them
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I hope JB is one of them
The thought of JB making 100k a year from Primitive is hilarious but I also really hope it’s true.
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Is 100k even that much?
I think it’s great they make that much. It also shows that Paul is a great guy and sharing the wealth.
lmao slap is hilarious.
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
schoolteachers can get paid $100k when they get a collab with dragonball
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lots of non sk8rs wear primitive and its not overpriced like streetwear brands. plus they sell their stuff at the mall. not trying to throw shade just saying
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Is 100k even that much?
I think it’s great they make that much. It also shows that Paul is a great guy and sharing the wealth.
Maybe I should rephrase that. Is 100k that much for a primitive rider. I’m well aware that 100k is a great living but I think it’s right for that tier of talent. Primitive is the best company to ride for is think from a financial standpoint.
lmao slap is hilarious.
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Don’t be mad at them, be mad at the nigga negotiating your deals.
This is good. This is real good. 😅
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Primitive has tiers for their team regarding salaries. Don't know the specifics of who's on what tier, but 100k is most likely near the top. If it's a Euro pro, he must mean Marek.
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Primitive makes bank from clothing. Just like DGK a few years back. 100k is year seems reasonable. Kids love that naruto stuff. If you can get 100k off a board sponsor and get one more big sponsor like shoes or drinks, then you’re good.
Keelan was making 120k in 2014 just off kayo
(https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hllkmd2lxhojkuqi1td2.png)
Turns out his name isn’t worth 10k…
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
My sister in law gets paid over a 100K as a school teacher. She currently rents a 400 square foot studio in San Francisco and drives a used Hyundai.
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Primitive has tiers for their team regarding salaries. Don't know the specifics of who's on what tier, but 100k is most likely near the top. If it's a Euro pro, he must mean Marek.
100k may seem like a lot, but the tax man and rent takes a huge chunk of that out too, so they could be decidedly middle class for the amount of punishment they put their body through and how short most careers are.
Similar situation to MMA fighters. 50k Fight of the Night bonus may seem like a lot, but a lot of the low-mid tier guys are getting $10-20k to turn up, another $10k-20 if they win. They are listed as contractors so no healthcare coverage, training costs, rehab and nutrition comes out of pocket. If they're lucky they can fight multiple times a year, but it's likely they would have racked up injuries during training or during the fight. All in, they are probably making just above minimum wage to put their body through hell and a lifetime of brain injury for a very short career making pittance.
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
Where the Gipper at now??
People finally got his back…
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What even is 100k these days
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Primitive has tiers for their team regarding salaries. Don't know the specifics of who's on what tier, but 100k is most likely near the top. If it's a Euro pro, he must mean Marek.
It has to be JB. No way Marek brings in a 100k euros.
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Primitive has tiers for their team regarding salaries. Don't know the specifics of who's on what tier, but 100k is most likely near the top. If it's a Euro pro, he must mean Marek.
It has to be JB. No way Marek brings in a 100k euros.
I don’t know if JB makes 100k from Primitive but I wish he gets a fair amount of money tho.
That said I am questioning myself how technically European riders (especially French) get paid by American companies for example. I know shoe companies got their European versions (like Nike in the Netherlands) so it’s probably easier with taxes and shit within the European Union system. Do the skateboarders get paid as freelancers ? Do they have companies, send invoices to Primitive, and then pay themselves a salary ? Do they get paid via the distributor ? In France being an employee guarantees you social security (health or unemployment benefits if you lose your job) so it’s better than being a freelancer.
As a freelancer I worked with people in the US, and here in France it’s was complicated with the VAT % to apply etc. The work system is very coded. It may be strange to the authorities that you get a 100k salary per year from a US company but living in Lyon. Maybe there is a special system for sports people ?
If someone knows I am curious how all of this works. Any « international extreme sports finance » specialized accountant on Slap ?
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I see complete randoms of all ages wearing Primitive gear in public frequently (on the east coast) - high school kids through like 60 year old white men or other people who seem to have no clear affiliation to skating. They sell a shit ton of clothes.
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It's like the creativity of the brand aswell, you can imagine how much a board co would make with the biggest video of the year and limited competition
Then when you cross it with exclusivity its greater, there's brands I rarely see
Yeah, collabing with trendy/nostalgic anime is mad creative. Almost as ground breaking as their vapor wave tumblr team graphics.
Not like they give a rat's ass their demographic is soundcloud rap based trendicapped weeb sad boy stoners. Insert more trigger words here.
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Who?
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In Europe , primitive was, probably is still being sold on Zalando which is I e of the biggest clothes retailers around here.
They definitely are one of the biggest players in the skateboarding world and paying 100k doesn’t sound that unrealistic. And 100k in Europe isn’t that bad at all. Yes, you won’t be making that your whole life and the career window is quite short , but if you play your cards right you might live comfortably after skating. Look at Pfanne for example
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I'm always amazed by how some posters don't think X amount of money for a skateboarder is possible.
Let's just break it down from a brand perspective here (not the brand mentioned in the thread, but ANY big board company right now)
We're talking about niche global brands.
This brand in particular has 1.5 million Instagram followers. A few retail stores. Boards are available in shops from Tokyo to Toronto. On top of that, eCommerce is likely a huge amount of the brand's biz.
But board companies aren't just "board" companies. They sell a large number of soft goods. Clothing probably accounts for most of their profits (margin-wise). Mark up on soft goods (backpacks to baseball caps to beanies) is huge.
From this point on, it's pure speculation on my part.
But let's just imagine this brand is doing 10,000,000 USD in total revenue per year.
Most marketing-driven businesses spend (or reinvest) about 10-15% of their revenue into marketing.
Skateboarding is the definition of a marketing-driven biz. And the primary vehicle for skate marketing is the skaters themselves.
10% of 10,000,000 USD is 1,000,000 USD.
Let's say a team is made up of 8 to 15 skaters. A 100,000 USD salary isn't out of the question. If the team has 10 pro skaters and each skater is paid the same, they're each making that amount.
But skateboarding is a meritocracy. Each skater has a different worth depending on their skill and reach (marketability).
So board brand salaries above that aren't out of the question.
Throughout history on this message board, we've heard stories of pros making huge amounts off board and shoe royalties. Royalties are a factor too.
But this is just an overview of how a brand this size could spend its money on its biggest marketing tools (skaters themselves). And how those pieces of pies could be divided up.
Who said it isn’t possible? It’s definitely been possible in the past, I’m skeptical that Primitive is paying people that much now. Especially when the basis for saying they do is some rando making a claim on the internet and you making assumptions about how profitable this company is and how much it decides to pay people.
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I'm always amazed by how some posters don't think X amount of money for a skateboarder is possible.
Let's just break it down from a brand perspective here (not the brand mentioned in the thread, but ANY big board company right now)
We're talking about niche global brands.
This brand in particular has 1.5 million Instagram followers. A few retail stores. Boards are available in shops from Tokyo to Toronto. On top of that, eCommerce is likely a huge amount of the brand's biz.
But board companies aren't just "board" companies. They sell a large number of soft goods. Clothing probably accounts for most of their profits (margin-wise). Mark up on soft goods (backpacks to baseball caps to beanies) is huge.
From this point on, it's pure speculation on my part.
But let's just imagine this brand is doing 10,000,000 USD in total revenue per year.
Most marketing-driven businesses spend (or reinvest) about 10-15% of their revenue into marketing.
Skateboarding is the definition of a marketing-driven biz. And the primary vehicle for skate marketing is the skaters themselves.
10% of 10,000,000 USD is 1,000,000 USD.
Let's say a team is made up of 8 to 15 skaters. A 100,000 USD salary isn't out of the question. If the team has 10 pro skaters and each skater is paid the same, they're each making that amount.
But skateboarding is a meritocracy. Each skater has a different worth depending on their skill and reach (marketability).
So board brand salaries above that aren't out of the question.
Throughout history on this message board, we've heard stories of pros making huge amounts off board and shoe royalties. Royalties are a factor too.
But this is just an overview of how a brand this size could spend its money on its biggest marketing tools (skaters themselves). And how those pieces of pies could be divided up.
People (on here) were saying that primitive was broke, and then the next day they released the video of their new TF. I don't think anybody around here knows at all.
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
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I'm always amazed by how some posters don't think X amount of money for a skateboarder is possible.
Let's just break it down from a brand perspective here (not the brand mentioned in the thread, but ANY big board company right now)
We're talking about niche global brands.
This brand in particular has 1.5 million Instagram followers. A few retail stores. Boards are available in shops from Tokyo to Toronto. On top of that, eCommerce is likely a huge amount of the brand's biz.
But board companies aren't just "board" companies. They sell a large number of soft goods. Clothing probably accounts for most of their profits (margin-wise). Mark up on soft goods (backpacks to baseball caps to beanies) is huge.
From this point on, it's pure speculation on my part.
But let's just imagine this brand is doing 10,000,000 USD in total revenue per year.
Most marketing-driven businesses spend (or reinvest) about 10-15% of their revenue into marketing.
Skateboarding is the definition of a marketing-driven biz. And the primary vehicle for skate marketing is the skaters themselves.
10% of 10,000,000 USD is 1,000,000 USD.
Let's say a team is made up of 8 to 15 skaters. A 100,000 USD salary isn't out of the question. If the team has 10 pro skaters and each skater is paid the same, they're each making that amount.
But skateboarding is a meritocracy. Each skater has a different worth depending on their skill and reach (marketability).
So board brand salaries above that aren't out of the question.
Throughout history on this message board, we've heard stories of pros making huge amounts off board and shoe royalties. Royalties are a factor too.
But this is just an overview of how a brand this size could spend its money on its biggest marketing tools (skaters themselves). And how those pieces of pies could be divided up.
People (on here) were saying that primitive was broke, and then the next day they released the video of their new TF. I don't think anybody around here knows at all.
slap posters will talk about how they never see anyone riding/wearing "X" brand, but also be in their late 30s, likes to skate curbs alone, hate malls, riding the same boards for 10 years, etc. Most of us don't know shit.
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Primitive has tiers for their team regarding salaries. Don't know the specifics of who's on what tier, but 100k is most likely near the top. If it's a Euro pro, he must mean Marek.
This has got to be it, can easily imagine Miles or Tiago getting 100k but maybe not someone like Wade, although he is great!
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
I agree with your point, but I’d say that the diminishing contracts/compensation occurs with nearly any professional sport/movement career. Football, ballet, running, they’ve all got a peak age after which you start to decline.
After that you better hope you can get a job coaching, doing analysis, or some other work within the industry or that you saved up enough cash during your profitable years.
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Primitive has tiers for their team regarding salaries. Don't know the specifics of who's on what tier, but 100k is most likely near the top. If it's a Euro pro, he must mean Marek.
It has to be JB. No way Marek brings in a 100k euros.
I don’t know if JB makes 100k from Primitive but I wish he gets a fair amount of money tho.
That said I am questioning myself how technically European riders (especially French) get paid by American companies for example. I know shoe companies got their European versions (like Nike in the Netherlands) so it’s probably easier with taxes and shit within the European Union system. Do the skateboarders get paid as freelancers ? Do they have companies, send invoices to Primitive, and then pay themselves a salary ? Do they get paid via the distributor ? In France being an employee guarantees you social security (health or unemployment benefits if you lose your job) so it’s better than being a freelancer.
As a freelancer I worked with people in the US, and here in France it’s was complicated with the VAT % to apply etc. The work system is very coded. It may be strange to the authorities that you get a 100k salary per year from a US company but living in Lyon. Maybe there is a special system for sports people ?
If someone knows I am curious how all of this works. Any « international extreme sports finance » specialized accountant on Slap ?
In the UK, if you are resident, you'll nearly always pay tax on foreign income. Exception is if your domicle, which is kind of permanent home is abroad. I imagine most skaters would pay tax on the foreign income through self assessment which is basically a tax return.
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100k aint shit these days. The perception of a "6 figure income" being enough to live a luxurious life is an outdated idea given to us by our parents, especially if you live near any major city. 100k is lower middle class in those areas.
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
I agree with your point, but I’d say that the diminishing contracts/compensation occurs with nearly any professional sport/movement career. Football, ballet, running, they’ve all got a peak age after which you start to decline.
After that you better hope you can get a job coaching, doing analysis, or some other work within the industry or that you saved up enough cash during your profitable years.
Fucken yep!
All the more reason to say fuck it and get the energy drink sponsor. (Especially if you aren't American) may as well get as much money as possible and take the health care too. I know a lot of people don't think skaters should be set up for life but they should at least not be too disadvantaged when the industry is done with them
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100k aint shit these days. The perception of a "6 figure income" being enough to live a luxurious life is an outdated idea given to us by our parents, especially if you live near any major city. 100k is lower middle class in those areas.
what major city do you live near
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
School teachers have about 4 months off a year. All holidays. And don’t even work a full day. For how much they work, they make a lot
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
School teachers have about 4 months off a year. All holidays. And don’t even work a full day. For how much they work, they make a lot
Nah teachers make fuck all. And they generally do a lot of work preparing classes, marking work and dealing with so much other bullshit. Half the time the end up being free social workers.
Don't really see why skaters and teachers pay should be compared tho the money's not coming from the same place.
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I'm always amazed by how some posters don't think X amount of money for a skateboarder is possible.
Let's just break it down from a brand perspective here (not the brand mentioned in the thread, but ANY big board company right now)
We're talking about niche global brands.
This brand in particular has 1.5 million Instagram followers. A few retail stores. Boards are available in shops from Tokyo to Toronto. On top of that, eCommerce is likely a huge amount of the brand's biz.
But board companies aren't just "board" companies. They sell a large number of soft goods. Clothing probably accounts for most of their profits (margin-wise). Mark up on soft goods (backpacks to baseball caps to beanies) is huge.
From this point on, it's pure speculation on my part.
But let's just imagine this brand is doing 10,000,000 USD in total revenue per year.
Most marketing-driven businesses spend (or reinvest) about 10-15% of their revenue into marketing.
Skateboarding is the definition of a marketing-driven biz. And the primary vehicle for skate marketing is the skaters themselves.
10% of 10,000,000 USD is 1,000,000 USD.
Let's say a team is made up of 8 to 15 skaters. A 100,000 USD salary isn't out of the question. If the team has 10 pro skaters and each skater is paid the same, they're each making that amount.
But skateboarding is a meritocracy. Each skater has a different worth depending on their skill and reach (marketability).
So board brand salaries above that aren't out of the question.
Throughout history on this message board, we've heard stories of pros making huge amounts off board and shoe royalties. Royalties are a factor too.
But this is just an overview of how a brand this size could spend its money on its biggest marketing tools (skaters themselves). And how those pieces of pies could be divided up.
People (on here) were saying that primitive was broke, and then the next day they released the video of their new TF. I don't think anybody around here knows at all.
I definitely don’t, but no one seems to be talking about ten grand board royalty checks anymore so I’m skeptical
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this is some kind of bizarro world thread
anyone making $100k/year just from their board sponsor is in the top 1% of pro earners
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
Not entirely wrong - although a fair share of pros move into higher roles like TM, Marketing, etc. within their companies, a lot of them fall off due to up-and-comers, injuries, low board sales, lack of footy, public controversy, there are endless reasons. If you position yourself right, you can stay in the industry and I believe you're trying to boil skating as a career down to a few unpleasant truths.
On a side note, it seems as though you immediately smoke a fat rock before typing what you believe to be skate gospel when you come on this forum. Derail a different thread pls
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
Absolutely agree. And that doesn't only goes for pros, also for regular skaters. Which is kinda sad to see, when some people are in their 30s and never learned a profession. Which brings me to my question, can you start a apprenticeship at that age?
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Multiple people are really in this thread saying making 100k/year isn't enough to live in a major city. What the fuck
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I really hope Tiago is making 100k+ and getting paid in dollars ha!
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Multiple people are really in this thread saying making 100k/year isn't enough to live in a major city. What the fuck
Depending on the city you live in America, and if you have a family to provide to, the cost of rent+health insurance+raising kid......plus struggling to save enough for homeownership and the kid's college education. For me Its life crazy like...
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I really hope Tiago is making 100k+ and getting paid in dollars ha!
Same here.
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This is hilarious. Imagine a thread on some NFL forum with a title like "Can you believe the Giants pay some players make 100k a year?!?"
No wonder Nike and Adidas love skateboarding so much. Our expectations are insanely low by pro sport standards.
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Multiple people are really in this thread saying making 100k/year isn't enough to live in a major city. What the fuck
This is close to what software engineers start out making here in San jose...and that shit is good
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Multiple people are really in this thread saying making 100k/year isn't enough to live in a major city. What the fuck
Seriously. I’ve lived in Canada’s largest city - with one of the highest costs of living in the world - for years and made far less than that and never worried about rent or bills. Mind you I lived well within my means and didn’t buy shit I didn’t need.
If you have bad money habits and lack self control no salary will be enough for you. Look at countless numbers sports stars who go broke, even when earning more a year than most people will earn in multiple lifetimes.
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crack mathics: 100'000 / 12 months = 8333 USD = 1 month.
Board royalties are what 10 or 5 bucks? 8333 / 10 = 833 boards to be sold a month world wide. And let's say 300 skate shops sell these 833 boards / 300 = 2,7 boards per one month by one shop.
Anybody know actual royalty amounts?
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It ain’t $10
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Most people, barring some extenuating circumstances, could live very comfortably on 100k a year. I’m not sure how much more you would expect to earn, this shit ain’t the NFL. I mean, if you can earn more get it, but I think being insulted by 100k a year is a bit ridiculous.
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crack mathics: 100'000 / 12 months = 8333 USD = 1 month.
Board royalties are what 10 or 5 bucks? 8333 / 10 = 833 boards to be sold a month world wide. And let's say 300 skate shops sell these 833 boards / 300 = 2,7 boards per one month by one shop.
Anybody know actual royalty amounts?
in the early days, royalties were $1/board until Rocco disrupted the industry and started paying riders $2/board
considering the price of boards has essentially remained the same since then, I can't imagine the royalty rate has increased significantly -- it's certainly nowhere near $10/each
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That Dragonball Z money son
Kamehamehahaha all the way to the bank
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Median household income in California is $80k. That is to say usually two people working in the household. If you're one person making $100k and only taking care of yourself, you're fucking well off. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously out of touch.
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Median household income in California is $80k. That is to say usually two people working in the household. If you're one person making $100k and only taking care of yourself, you're fucking well off. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously out of touch.
100k a year for a few years of a skate career is way different than having a 60k career path for decades. Your main source of income drying up in your 30s is the opposite of well of, thats terrifying
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Median household income in California is $80k. That is to say usually two people working in the household. If you're one person making $100k and only taking care of yourself, you're fucking well off. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously out of touch.
100k a year for a few years of a skate career is way different than having a 60k career path for decades. Your main source of income drying up in your 30s is the opposite of well of, thats terrifying
In addition to rent in LA you might have to spend a significant amount on Louis V purses and OffWhite nikes with the bread ties on them so 100k isn’t gonna cut it
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Multiple people are really in this thread saying making 100k/year isn't enough to live in a major city. What the fuck
You must choose a cheaper place than Usa, obviously, like Europe: Italy , Spain, where there are not any crazy privates health cares or insurances and where educations for your kids ( university included ) , are almost free.
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
Even if Wade and Spenny are making a 100k USD adapted to about 130k CAD isn't going particularly far if they are actually living in Toronto or Vancouver given real-estate and housing costs, and the precarious nature of their employment status in regards to getting loans/mortgages.
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This is hilarious. Imagine a thread on some NFL forum with a title like "Can you believe the Giants pay some players make 100k a year?!?"
No wonder Nike and Adidas love skateboarding so much. Our expectations are insanely low by pro sport standards.
I heard street league X games and dew tour make 15 billion a year like the NFL...
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This is hilarious. Imagine a thread on some NFL forum with a title like "Can you believe the Giants pay some players make 100k a year?!?"
No wonder Nike and Adidas love skateboarding so much. Our expectations are insanely low by pro sport standards.
I heard street league X games and dew tour make 15 billion a year like the NFL...
You must be joking……
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Median household income in California is $80k. That is to say usually two people working in the household. If you're one person making $100k and only taking care of yourself, you're fucking well off. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously out of touch.
100k a year for a few years of a skate career is way different than having a 60k career path for decades. Your main source of income drying up in your 30s is the opposite of well of, thats terrifying
Isn’t that common sense? Do many pros think this is a long term health conscious career? This is the nature of skating.
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
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Median household income in California is $80k. That is to say usually two people working in the household. If you're one person making $100k and only taking care of yourself, you're fucking well off. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously out of touch.
100k a year for a few years of a skate career is way different than having a 60k career path for decades. Your main source of income drying up in your 30s is the opposite of well of, thats terrifying
In addition to rent in LA you might have to spend a significant amount on Louis V purses and OffWhite nikes with the bread ties on them so 100k isn’t gonna cut it
Nobody said it's retirement money. It's a job. When it's over you get another job. That next job could be years down the line if you saved adequately too. Enough time to go to school and get a skill. In no universe am I going to be worrying about a person clearing over $100k.
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Median household income in California is $80k. That is to say usually two people working in the household. If you're one person making $100k and only taking care of yourself, you're fucking well off. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously out of touch.
100k a year for a few years of a skate career is way different than having a 60k career path for decades. Your main source of income drying up in your 30s is the opposite of well of, thats terrifying
In addition to rent in LA you might have to spend a significant amount on Louis V purses and OffWhite nikes with the bread ties on them so 100k isn’t gonna cut it
Thank you I feel I’m in bizarro world
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For someone just diggin their trick bag 100k isn't shabby
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
I don't think you understand Toronto or Vancouver real estate. Yes, it's quality money, but using the usual logic of you can afford a house that is 5x your yearly income you are at best maybe buying a 2 bedroom condo in either of those cities right now or maybe a real fixer upper of house. Affordable housing in these 2 cities is a major issue, and I say that as a resident of Toronto. This is before you get into the fact these guys don't have guaranteed long-term income that would make them favorable candidates to lend too. So, you are sinking money into being a renter, not acquiring equity or creating long-term savings. Which is why most home buyers in Toronto or Vancouver are duel income households or have significant family support.
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
Fair point about the cost to own a home in Vancouver or Toronto. The same could be said about skaters living in SF or NYC. And that assumes they want to buy houses there. Maybe their goal is to live out of town. Or maybe they’re happy owning a home further out in the suburbs.
Maybe the loan criteria in Canada is different, but having been through a home loan and refinance here in the states, I don’t think they are checking on a guaranteed long term income. None of our incomes are truly guaranteed long term. And I say this as someone who also gets my income from freelance work. They want proof that you’ve had an income and currently have that income. If their accounting is up to date (they’re skaters so probably not) it wouldn’t be a problem to qualify for a loan they can afford. That loan won’t buy a house in the heart of Vancouver. Maybe they have to live in Surrey or Abbotsford if they really want to own a house.
100k a year is a great income and is above average for most of the us.
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I'm always amazed by how some posters don't think X amount of money for a skateboarder is possible.
Let's just break it down from a brand perspective here (not the brand mentioned in the thread, but ANY big board company right now)
We're talking about niche global brands.
This brand in particular has 1.5 million Instagram followers. A few retail stores. Boards are available in shops from Tokyo to Toronto. On top of that, eCommerce is likely a huge amount of the brand's biz.
But board companies aren't just "board" companies. They sell a large number of soft goods. Clothing probably accounts for most of their profits (margin-wise). Mark up on soft goods (backpacks to baseball caps to beanies) is huge.
From this point on, it's pure speculation on my part.
But let's just imagine this brand is doing 10,000,000 USD in total revenue per year.
Most marketing-driven businesses spend (or reinvest) about 10-15% of their revenue into marketing.
Skateboarding is the definition of a marketing-driven biz. And the primary vehicle for skate marketing is the skaters themselves.
10% of 10,000,000 USD is 1,000,000 USD.
Let's say a team is made up of 8 to 15 skaters. A 100,000 USD salary isn't out of the question. If the team has 10 pro skaters and each skater is paid the same, they're each making that amount.
But skateboarding is a meritocracy. Each skater has a different worth depending on their skill and reach (marketability).
So board brand salaries above that aren't out of the question.
Throughout history on this message board, we've heard stories of pros making huge amounts off board and shoe royalties. Royalties are a factor too.
But this is just an overview of how a brand this size could spend its money on its biggest marketing tools (skaters themselves). And how those pieces of pies could be divided up.
People (on here) were saying that primitive was broke, and then the next day they released the video of their new TF. I don't think anybody around here knows anything at all.
Now you’ve got a statement.
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
School teachers have about 4 months off a year. All holidays. And don’t even work a full day. For how much they work, they make a lot
Don't really see why skaters and teachers pay should be compared tho the money's not coming from the same place.
I live on Long Island tenured teachers make over $100k here. The cost of living here is about $120k year for a family of 4 in a decent neighborhood without a fancy house. A house out here is usually around $400k for a 3 bedroom 1.5 bath ranch. That being said $100k a year ain’t shit anymore. Any of you guys that think otherwise are out of touch. I make about $75k and that really isn’t much. I can afford a decent apartment and drive a nice leased Jeep Grand Cherokee but don’t wanna try to bring a kid in this world before I’m clearing $100k. It honestly makes me sad that some of you still think that’s a lot of money. To put things in perspective construction workers in Ny usually make about $100k plus.
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What even is 100k these days
100 k have gone soft
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
I mean again, nobody is forcing you to buy in MAJOR CITIES. You're speaking as if Toronto or Vancouver are the only places you can live. Many of us that aren't making, you know, 100k a year, have to make decisions based on affordability and our budget. If you insist on buying in some of the most expensive markets in the world, then I really don't know what to you, good luck.
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ya'll should just change the thread name to 'Justifying the worth of 100k to skate nerds that will never make 100k'
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ya'll should just change the thread name to 'Justifying the worth of 100k to skate nerds that will never make 100k'
Yo greetings from the leftist threat: don‘t compare how much different workers make to justify who should be exploited more or less. You should look at the difference between how much the owners take vs. how much the workers get. From that perspective most professional skaters don‘t make fuck all even if they earn 500k on Nike per year.
For how much pro skaters contribute to the image and identity of a brand most of them are extremely underpaid.
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ya'll should just change the thread name to 'Justifying the worth of 100k to skate nerds that will never make 100k'
you disgrace boognish
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ya'll should just change the thread name to 'Justifying the worth of 100k to skate nerds that will never make 100k'
Yo greetings from the leftist threat: don‘t compare how much different workers make to justify who should be exploited more or less. You should look at the difference between how much the owners take vs. how much the workers get. From that perspective most professional skaters don‘t make fuck all even if they earn 500k on Nike per year.
For how much pro skaters contribute to the image and identity of a brand most of them are extremely underpaid.
You make a valid point, just felt like the thread was losing it's context as posting continued.
That being said, most 'workers' make jack. It's been said a trillion times but it's who can be the most marketable, not necessarily the most talented. Look at Janoski. Dude made a solid shoe over a decade ago that will surely outlive his skating, has been re-done, copied, mass produced, made exclusive, dude is chillin' without (relatively) putting in a fraction of the work most pro skaters have to do now to stay relevant/make a check.
I digress. I'd like to believe out of the ~$12 mil in annual revenue, Primitive is taking care of their riders/workers.
Is it fair/equal? Probably not.
Seems like they get enough to want to keep skating/working for them.
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you disgrace boognish
only dean can tell me that
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pay schoolteachers 100k
the way this society distributes equity is so fucked
School teachers have about 4 months off a year. All holidays. And don’t even work a full day. For how much they work, they make a lot
Don't really see why skaters and teachers pay should be compared tho the money's not coming from the same place.
That's why I wrote there are not any reasons to living in Usa for an EuRopean pro, they can living in Europe with free health care and insurance with high standard life stile with 100k at year.
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I know Tax system and education are different in the US ompared to Europe (i have no idea about Canada)
but lol at those saying 100k is not enough to have a decent life
talking about being out of touch, maybe stop buying useless stuff
owning a house in the city, having kids and a big car is far from being your only way of life down here
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I know Tax system and education are different in the US ompared to Europe (i have no idea about Canada)
but lol at those saying 100k is not enough to have a decent life
talking about being out of touch, maybe stop buying useless stuff
owning a house in the city, having kids and a big car is far from being your only way of life down here
right, Most people make way less than 100K a year and will never make 100k in a year. I live in Atlanta, if I were making 100K I'd be pretty comfy.
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100k is mere pennies to the man who watches enough motivational youtube
if you aren’t in debt for both your car and living space how are you going to grind your way to linen pants a suit jacket and a big boat
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I know Tax system and education are different in the US ompared to Europe (i have no idea about Canada)
but lol at those saying 100k is not enough to have a decent life
talking about being out of touch, maybe stop buying useless stuff
owning a house in the city, having kids and a big car is far from being your only way of life down here
right, Most people make way less than 100K a year and will never make 100k in a year. I live in Atlanta, if I were making 100K I'd be pretty comfy.
In Usa the main problem is if you need a surgery for a stupid acl injury or cancer you willbe in a serious debts as I can see on those crowfounding \ beggin for money set by Americans. EnglAnd and EU are totally free about that, and as skaters l feel more safe in Europe ( criminal rates include ) , than risk to be homeless for a standard surgery in my ankle. 100k at year is too much especially if you come from Czech.
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nobody I work with is buying a home in the middle of a major city.
doesnt make sense unless youre a real estate developer.
regular people with well paying jobs know that the outer areas are more realistic.
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nobody I work with is buying a home in the middle of a major city.
doesnt make sense unless youre a real estate developer.
regular people with well paying jobs know that the outer areas are more realistic.
major cities, if you skate, is most desirable...even if you work in media, you want to be in a major city.
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This thread got real weird.
To main point of a Primitive pro making 100k a year.
- That's awesome for them.
- It's not very common for skaters to make that much from their board sponsor. I doubt anyone on Deluxe or Crail or Habitat is pulling anywhere near that amount from those sponsors.
Regarding that amount as an income. I'm in my early 40s and can say that 100k a year is a good income. In the US, the average household income was $68k in 2019. So this skater is much above that threshold. There's a lot of "What about Toronto, SF, NYC, etc." in here. Yeah, 100k won't go so far in the most expensive cities in North America. But it's still manageable. I had to move farther out from the central city in Portland so I could afford a house. That's the reality of trying to buy a house these days.
And to the few of you arguing that teachers make a lot of money, you're out of your mind. My mom was a teacher when I was young. We did fine, but we weren't balling out. I have friends that are teachers now. They needed a masters degree to get there so are now saddled with a bunch of student debt. Average teacher salary in the US is $59k and that's going to vary based on where that person is teaching. Dude that said teachers where they live on Long Island make more than 100k is a bold claim. Maybe there are a couple in very specific circumstances, and likely at a private school. Average salary for a public school teacher in NYC is $71k. That's the closest geographical data I knew I could find in one of the most expensive cities in North America. And public education is super under funded. Whether it's big classes, or lack of resources, to spending their own money on supplies- teachers put in a lot of work and it's stressful.
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This thread got real weird.
To main point of a Primitive pro making 100k a year.
- That's awesome for them.
- It's not very common for skaters to make that much from their board sponsor. I doubt anyone on Deluxe or Crail or Habitat is pulling anywhere near that amount from those sponsors.
Regarding that amount as an income. I'm in my early 40s and can say that 100k a year is a good income. In the US, the average household income was $68k in 2019. So this skater is much above that threshold. There's a lot of "What about Toronto, SF, NYC, etc." in here. Yeah, 100k won't go so far in the most expensive cities in North America. But it's still manageable. I had to move farther out from the central city in Portland so I could afford a house. That's the reality of trying to buy a house these days.
And to the few of you arguing that teachers make a lot of money, you're out of your mind. My mom was a teacher when I was young. We did fine, but we weren't balling out. I have friends that are teachers now. They needed a masters degree to get there so are now saddled with a bunch of student debt. Average teacher salary in the US is $59k and that's going to vary based on where that person is teaching. Dude that said teachers where they live on Long Island make more than 100k is a bold claim. Maybe there are a couple in very specific circumstances, and likely at a private school. Average salary for a public school teacher in NYC is $71k. That's the closest geographical data I knew I could find in one of the most expensive cities in North America. And public education is super under funded. Whether it's big classes, or lack of resources, to spending their own money on supplies- teachers put in a lot of work and it's stressful.
I don't think 100k is enough to support a family of (4), spouse and kids in most major cities....but if you live alone, its probably very nice pay
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100k is amazing income to be earning from decks alone. i never said that it wasnt. I was saying in general that amount of money is not that wild. and the fact its on such a time limit makes it really not comparable to a true 100k salary like most jobs have, not this enterainment pro sports stuff.
and yeah a lot of you guys are like "100k is a great income" it is for sure and that is the type of income you need to have if you wnat to actually own a dettached house some day maybe have some kids or some shit. but i get it that is not for everyone but i am just putting it out there for people who maybe do want that you better start thinking like shit there is no way i can make that loot working for someone unless im a doctor, lawyer, or engineer baiscally. or you doing trades shit / starting your own business. someone else asked can you even start trade in your 30s, bro you can start trade in your 50s if you want there is no age limit as long as you can do the work and you find someone willing to take you on you can do it. i know a guy who started doing plumbing in his 40s after his business failed.
100k a year only gets you a 500k house, in toronto and vancouver, you are looking at condos pretty much only. that is 100% facts.
https://condos.ca/toronto/leaside-park-terrace-1-leaside-park-dr/unit-704-C5378035
1 bedroom, 1 bathroom, also $650 a month condo fees. have fun with that ;) nice unit though but 24 minute drive to dunbat not even in a sick area or anything, probably pretty safe though etc.
hopefully they can go in with their girlfriend and get something little bit better like Ryan Gallant has a pretty sick setup going on, he obviously was very smart with his money or his dad hooked it up.
also to the one guy i never smoked crack in my life i only sniffed coke one time, drank a boat load of Rum and it was FUCKED UP i passed out and hit my head took this huge bong rip then puked down the side of a cliff, friend drove me home and i woke up in my bed with leaves and my coat and shoes on in my bed. never again.
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This thread got real weird.
To main point of a Primitive pro making 100k a year.
- That's awesome for them.
- It's not very common for skaters to make that much from their board sponsor. I doubt anyone on Deluxe or Crail or Habitat is pulling anywhere near that amount from those sponsors.
Regarding that amount as an income. I'm in my early 40s and can say that 100k a year is a good income. In the US, the average household income was $68k in 2019. So this skater is much above that threshold. There's a lot of "What about Toronto, SF, NYC, etc." in here. Yeah, 100k won't go so far in the most expensive cities in North America. But it's still manageable. I had to move farther out from the central city in Portland so I could afford a house. That's the reality of trying to buy a house these days.
And to the few of you arguing that teachers make a lot of money, you're out of your mind. My mom was a teacher when I was young. We did fine, but we weren't balling out. I have friends that are teachers now. They needed a masters degree to get there so are now saddled with a bunch of student debt. Average teacher salary in the US is $59k and that's going to vary based on where that person is teaching. Dude that said teachers where they live on Long Island make more than 100k is a bold claim. Maybe there are a couple in very specific circumstances, and likely at a private school. Average salary for a public school teacher in NYC is $71k. That's the closest geographical data I knew I could find in one of the most expensive cities in North America. And public education is super under funded. Whether it's big classes, or lack of resources, to spending their own money on supplies- teachers put in a lot of work and it's stressful.
I don't think 100k is enough to support a family of (4), spouse and kids in most major cities....but if you live alone, its probably very nice pay
Not gonna get into the argument of whether it's enough or not, but my sister and her husband are teachers, as are my cousin and his wife. All of them in Washington state teaching in a basic suburban public school district. All 4 of them make > $100k a year. Only 2/4 have a Masters. The others supplement by coaching sports. My cousins wife just moved into administration (assistant vice principal) and is making closer to $120k. And yes, they get 4 months off a year and as far as I can tell, never work past 4pm, and they have extremely stable benefits. Doesn't seem like such a bad gig to me.
edit: this is not in Seattle or King County at all, where you'd expect salaries to potentially be higher.
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To main point of a Primitive pro making 100k a year.
- That's awesome for them.
- It's not very common for skaters to make that much from their board sponsor. I doubt anyone on Deluxe or Crail or Habitat is pulling anywhere near that amount from those sponsors.
Regarding that amount as an income. I'm in my early 40s and can say that 100k a year is a good income. In the US, the average household income was $68k in 2019. So this skater is much above that threshold. There's a lot of "What about Toronto, SF, NYC, etc." in here. Yeah, 100k won't go so far in the most expensive cities in North America. But it's still manageable. I had to move farther out from the central city in Portland so I could afford a house. That's the reality of trying to buy a house these days.
And to the few of you arguing that teachers make a lot of money, you're out of your mind. My mom was a teacher when I was young. We did fine, but we weren't balling out. I have friends that are teachers now. They needed a masters degree to get there so are now saddled with a bunch of student debt. Average teacher salary in the US is $59k and that's going to vary based on where that person is teaching. Dude that said teachers where they live on Long Island make more than 100k is a bold claim. Maybe there are a couple in very specific circumstances, and likely at a private school. Average salary for a public school teacher in NYC is $71k. That's the closest geographical data I knew I could find in one of the most expensive cities in North America. And public education is super under funded. Whether it's big classes, or lack of resources, to spending their own money on supplies- teachers put in a lot of work and it's stressful.
I don't think 100k is enough to support a family of (4), spouse and kids in most major cities....but if you live alone, its probably very nice pay
Is it still common for wives to stop working once they get kids in the us?
100k sounds like a lot to me, but I live in europe, so free medical shit and schooling helps a lot. Don't need to save a fortune in case someone in my family gets cancer or my kids want to go to college. The career isn't long, but I'd rather make 100k a year being a pro skater for a few years and then become a plumber or something rather than just being a plumber straight away.
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sick bro that is hype they are paid and have good job.
ill tell you about my wife who used to be a teacher but stopped because it was like 80 hours weeks for dick all money.
my wife applied for mad schools and never got into the public system... rejected so many times and the positions rarely come up. and this was just to get onto a supply list job in the public system. only jobs she could get were contracts at conestoga college or private schools where you just get treated like shit, overworked for shitty pay. also after going massively in debt for teachers college. plus you gotta pay for all these unions and fees and shit! meanwhile, no one helping oyu get a job! my wife wa
going on a hunch that your fam that have those sick jobs, they probably knew someone / had a hookup. not all of us are that fortunate or have that good of networking abilities. definintely use those things to your advantage if you have them - no one is going to give you extra props for doing it the hard way thats for sure.
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This thread got real weird.
To main point of a Primitive pro making 100k a year.
- That's awesome for them.
- It's not very common for skaters to make that much from their board sponsor. I doubt anyone on Deluxe or Crail or Habitat is pulling anywhere near that amount from those sponsors.
Regarding that amount as an income. I'm in my early 40s and can say that 100k a year is a good income. In the US, the average household income was $68k in 2019. So this skater is much above that threshold. There's a lot of "What about Toronto, SF, NYC, etc." in here. Yeah, 100k won't go so far in the most expensive cities in North America. But it's still manageable. I had to move farther out from the central city in Portland so I could afford a house. That's the reality of trying to buy a house these days.
And to the few of you arguing that teachers make a lot of money, you're out of your mind. My mom was a teacher when I was young. We did fine, but we weren't balling out. I have friends that are teachers now. They needed a masters degree to get there so are now saddled with a bunch of student debt. Average teacher salary in the US is $59k and that's going to vary based on where that person is teaching. Dude that said teachers where they live on Long Island make more than 100k is a bold claim. Maybe there are a couple in very specific circumstances, and likely at a private school. Average salary for a public school teacher in NYC is $71k. That's the closest geographical data I knew I could find in one of the most expensive cities in North America. And public education is super under funded. Whether it's big classes, or lack of resources, to spending their own money on supplies- teachers put in a lot of work and it's stressful.
I don't think 100k is enough to support a family of (4), spouse and kids in most major cities....but if you live alone, its probably very nice pay
100k sounds like a lot to me, but I live in europe, so free medical shit and schooling helps a lot. Don't need to save a fortune in case someone in my family gets cancer or my kids want to go to college. The career isn't long, but I'd rather make 100k a year being a pro skater for a few years and then become a plumber or something rather than just being a plumber straight away.
thats a good point - its not like you are really missing out on being a plumber ;D
just gotta hope you didnt get too hurt
i think if you want to have stay at home wife with kids you gotta live in a tiny ass place at 100k a year, or make 200k a year solo. so no, id say that is not common, typically you need to own a sick business or be one of those top professional like doctor / engineer / lawyer to earn that
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
I mean again, nobody is forcing you to buy in MAJOR CITIES. You're speaking as if Toronto or Vancouver are the only places you can live. Many of us that aren't making, you know, 100k a year, have to make decisions based on affordability and our budget. If you insist on buying in some of the most expensive markets in the world, then I really don't know what to you, good luck.
Except I specifically mentioned two Primitive riders who live in these cities. I said for Toronto or Vancouver. I didn't say everywhere in the world. And, tons of people live in these places because they have family/support networks. And, to be honest, if you are trying to be a pro skateboarder in Canada, good luck having any semblance of a career living anywhere but MTL, Toronto or Vancouver.
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
I mean again, nobody is forcing you to buy in MAJOR CITIES. You're speaking as if Toronto or Vancouver are the only places you can live. Many of us that aren't making, you know, 100k a year, have to make decisions based on affordability and our budget. If you insist on buying in some of the most expensive markets in the world, then I really don't know what to you, good luck.
Ain't gonna be pro for FA and live in Fredericton, that's the God's honest truth.
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100k is amazing income to be earning from decks alone. i never said that it wasnt. I was saying in general that amount of money is not that wild. and the fact its on such a time limit makes it really not comparable to a true 100k salary like most jobs have, not this enterainment pro sports stuff.
and yeah a lot of you guys are like "100k is a great income" it is for sure and that is the type of income you need to have if you wnat to actually own a dettached house some day maybe have some kids or some shit. but i get it that is not for everyone but i am just putting it out there for people who maybe do want that you better start thinking like shit there is no way i can make that loot working for someone unless im a doctor, lawyer, or engineer baiscally. or you doing trades shit / starting your own business. someone else asked can you even start trade in your 30s, bro you can start trade in your 50s if you want there is no age limit as long as you can do the work and you find someone willing to take you on you can do it. i know a guy who started doing plumbing in his 40s after his business failed.
100k a year only gets you a 500k house, in toronto and vancouver, you are looking at condos pretty much only. that is 100% facts.
https://condos.ca/toronto/leaside-park-terrace-1-leaside-park-dr/unit-704-C5378035
1 bedroom, 1 bathroom, also $650 a month condo fees. have fun with that ;) nice unit though but 24 minute drive to dunbat not even in a sick area or anything, probably pretty safe though etc.
hopefully they can go in with their girlfriend and get something little bit better like Ryan Gallant has a pretty sick setup going on, he obviously was very smart with his money or his dad hooked it up.
also to the one guy i never smoked crack in my life i only sniffed coke one time, drank a boat load of Rum and it was FUCKED UP i passed out and hit my head took this huge bong rip then puked down the side of a cliff, friend drove me home and i woke up in my bed with leaves and my coat and shoes on in my bed. never again.
That is condo is 24-years-old, is quite isolated (basically near a down market mall and a couple box stores), and borders on a pretty questionable neighborhood (Thorncliffe Park).
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
I mean again, nobody is forcing you to buy in MAJOR CITIES. You're speaking as if Toronto or Vancouver are the only places you can live. Many of us that aren't making, you know, 100k a year, have to make decisions based on affordability and our budget. If you insist on buying in some of the most expensive markets in the world, then I really don't know what to you, good luck.
ok so Toronto is expensive and person that earns 100k a year can’t afford to live in Toronto, but then insists on living where they can’t afford to. Got it. Fuck me sideways. I wonder if they can apply for a cost of living discount in Vancouver cause they only earn 100k, but hey they’re trying to be a pro skater so they’re entitled to live here!
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honestly i used to think 100k was a lot but it really aint shit. but its what i am aiming to make right now and im still decentyl short. and honestly have no clue how id even make more money at this point., but for 1 person making it with no partner they can afford a decent condo or townhouse, defiintely nothing high end. but then you are forgetting the biggest piece of the puzzle. the shittiest part of being a pro skater is as your career ages, you actually make LESS and LESS money which fucking SUCKS dude. what other job is like that? i honestly cant think of a job that isnt like being a prostitute where you actually make LESS money as you get more experienced :s you are so fucked after you retire you have no skills you have to hope one of the homeys in the industry hooks it up. but you must know its not going to be good money. you need to start saving from day 1 as a pro its wild how all these guys bought cars and stuff with absolutely zero thought towards thier spiraling downward income. if you kooked it even once along the way you are pretty fucked you better pack it up and start your apprenticeship in your 30s / 40s
If you’re not supporting other people 100k is more than enough to survive. Nobody is forcing you to live in the most expensive places ever. The idea that 100k isn’t enough to live on is almost insulting and offensive. Where do you live?
I mean again, nobody is forcing you to buy in MAJOR CITIES. You're speaking as if Toronto or Vancouver are the only places you can live. Many of us that aren't making, you know, 100k a year, have to make decisions based on affordability and our budget. If you insist on buying in some of the most expensive markets in the world, then I really don't know what to you, good luck.
ok so Toronto is expensive and person that earns 100k a year can’t afford to live in Toronto, but then insist on it anyway. Got it.
Did I say can't live in Toronto anywhere? or did I say it doesn't go particularly far, especially when that amount of cash for pro skaters is likely short-term. You put a ton of assumptions into what I originally said.
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I would assume anyone making 100k from boards is pulling in at least 200k/year from all sponsors.
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I would assume anyone making 100k from boards is pulling in at least 200k/year from all sponsors.
Isn't Spenny NB# flow, and I have a hard time seeing eS paying someone 100k. Outside of guys like Thiago, Paul, Carlos and Miles is anyone else on Primitive making a killing in shoes or contests?
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I would assume anyone making 100k from boards is pulling in at least 200k/year from all sponsors.
In the recent Bunt episode it sounds like he’s full on NB now.
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noticing that most of the "$100k is nothing" posters in this thread are Canadian
$100k CAD = $78k USD
= $66k EUR
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noticing that most of the "$100k is nothing" posters in this thread are Canadian
$100k CAD = $78k USD
= $66k EUR
I did the conversion in my first post when it came to Toronto. The average house price here is 1,000,000 CAD in Toronto and 1.3, CAD in Vancouver.
I never said 100k is nothing either. Just that for the two pros I mentioned, who happen to live in the 2 specific cities I mentioned, a 130k a year doesn't make you wealthy or even able to afford an average house in the market under typical house buying logic (a housing purchase shouldn't cost more than 5x your yearly salary). That isn't even a comment on 130k being nothing, and more due to the insanity of housing in these two markets at the moment.
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somewhere in here is an interesting conversation about what 100k means to a skater in the US. you can pay housing costs and you can pay for health insurance, but does that money extend into the annual surgeries some of these guys need? is some progression halted by medical costs pricing some guys out? are potential NBD’s not being done bc skaters can’t afford the surgery if a truck breaks really bad?
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Can still live pretty comfortably in or at least in the suburbs of a large Canadian city as a renter for like 3k/month pretty easily. If you have a partner, less, kids more obv. But if you’re not spending a ton you should be able save a fair bit and invest and build your net worth nicely over time. Regardless of whether you own a house or not.
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somewhere in here is an interesting conversation about what 100k means to a skater in the US. you can pay housing costs and you can pay for health insurance, but does that money extend into the annual surgeries some of these guys need? is some progression halted by medical costs pricing some guys out? are potential NBD’s not being done bc skaters can’t afford the surgery if a truck breaks really bad?
Didn't Prod go a long time without suffering any major injury? and this recent injury was his only real career slowing injury
Looking at a lot of professional sports, it seems like you have to save and re-invest, even bench players (who will still get bucK) have a diminished return on their talent and those who didn't go broke re-invested.
I can only imagine how much supreme riders make
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
I don't think this is 100% true.
I'm part way through this book and author pushes against this idea most NFL players go broke. I think many post NFL players are in decent positions in terms of financial health. Physical health is another story.
https://nyupress.org/9781479862863/is-there-life-after-football/
(https://ingram-nyu.imgix.net/covers/9781479862863.jpg?auto=format&w=298&dpr=2&q=20)
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
I don't think this is 100% true.
I'm part way through this book and author pushes against this idea most NFL players go broke. I think many post NFL players are in decent positions in terms of financial health. Physical health is another story.
https://nyupress.org/9781479862863/is-there-life-after-football/
(https://ingram-nyu.imgix.net/covers/9781479862863.jpg?auto=format&w=298&dpr=2&q=20)
Is it true that nowadays in most professional leagues that players have to hire financial consultants?
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
I don't think this is 100% true.
I'm part way through this book and author pushes against this idea most NFL players go broke. I think many post NFL players are in decent positions in terms of financial health. Physical health is another story.
https://nyupress.org/9781479862863/is-there-life-after-football/
(https://ingram-nyu.imgix.net/covers/9781479862863.jpg?auto=format&w=298&dpr=2&q=20)
Is it true that nowadays in most professional leagues that players have to hire financial consultants?
Base salary in most sports is mid-to-high six figures, and anyone making that kind of money should have some sort of financial professional helping them along, especially if you're a 24 year old jock.
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
I don't think this is 100% true.
I'm part way through this book and author pushes against this idea most NFL players go broke. I think many post NFL players are in decent positions in terms of financial health. Physical health is another story.
https://nyupress.org/9781479862863/is-there-life-after-football/
(https://ingram-nyu.imgix.net/covers/9781479862863.jpg?auto=format&w=298&dpr=2&q=20)
Is it true that nowadays in most professional leagues that players have to hire financial consultants?
Base salary in most sports is mid-to-high six figures, and anyone making that kind of money should have some sort of financial professional helping them along, especially if you're a 24 year old jock.
Big Money
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Who the fuck you think we are
We living like superstars
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
just curious, source?
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
just curious, source?
Great episode: http://www.espn.com/30for30/film/_/page/broke
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I saw in instagram yesterday Chico Brenes works at a clothing store as a full time job. dude is straight legend, but then i thought about it and its not like his boards were probably flying off the shself, and i dont think he ever had any pro shoe either, or if he did it was no D3.
I know Lee Yankou (pro for Heroin Skateboards in Toronto) has a normal job outside of skateboarding, I think someone told me he has a full on trade. You make very good money doing that stuff and I think it is very useful for learning about how to fix up your house and shit. man that shit is valuable... i am 1 year into owning a home and i am so fucked. Even has uses for skateboarding like I think it makes you a lot better at building ramps or DIY spots even by being an electrician or whatever I think you just get a lot more exposed to using tools and shit like that compared to a computer nerd like me.
I think these guys were smart to play their cards this way and make sure they had a good source of income early on for something they enjoy doing. I wish I would have delayed going to College by like 3-4 years by my mom was so sure I would never go if i didnt go striaght away. I never ended up using that degree at all so was really just waste of time and money and time for me to just fuck around and party when that was like some of the most prime time for skating i could have bene doing. i always really liked doing stuff with computers but i think going to university for computer science was maybe a bit much for me at that age. if i would have just taken some course in college low level python or even just like web design stuff i think i would have bene a lot more happy.
I was able to work hard and make the most of my situation luckily and land myself a job doing stuff with software but i am fairly low on the totem pole. i am glad i did not go out too hard with skating becuase it seems like tons of guys ar ejust burnt on it and dont evne do it anymore or in some cases phsyically not even able to.
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I saw in instagram yesterday Chico Brenes works at a clothing store as a full time job. dude is straight legend, but then i thought about it and its not like his boards were probably flying off the shself, and i dont think he ever had any pro shoe either, or if he did it was no D3.
I know Lee Yankou (pro for Heroin Skateboards in Toronto) has a normal job outside of skateboarding, I think someone told me he has a full on trade. You make very good money doing that stuff and I think it is very useful for learning about how to fix up your house and shit. man that shit is valuable... i am 1 year into owning a home and i am so fucked. Even has uses for skateboarding like I think it makes you a lot better at building ramps or DIY spots even by being an electrician or whatever I think you just get a lot more exposed to using tools and shit like that compared to a computer nerd like me.
I think these guys were smart to play their cards this way and make sure they had a good source of income early on for something they enjoy doing. I wish I would have delayed going to College by like 3-4 years by my mom was so sure I would never go if i didnt go striaght away. I never ended up using that degree at all so was really just waste of time and money and time for me to just fuck around and party when that was like some of the most prime time for skating i could have bene doing. i always really liked doing stuff with computers but i think going to university for computer science was maybe a bit much for me at that age. if i would have just taken some course in college low level python or even just like web design stuff i think i would have bene a lot more happy.
I was able to work hard and make the most of my situation luckily and land myself a job doing stuff with software but i am fairly low on the totem pole. i am glad i did not go out too hard with skating becuase it seems like tons of guys ar ejust burnt on it and dont evne do it anymore or in some cases phsyically not even able to.
Not sure how long he's been at it but Salman Agah been working/running a pizza joint, he seems super happy too, and every now and them I'll see him post some skating. Werent his boards flying off shelves back in the 90s? If you manage your money and dont live beyond your means Im sure any change in career will work out for an ex pro skateboarder
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I saw in instagram yesterday Chico Brenes works at a clothing store as a full time job. dude is straight legend, but then i thought about it and its not like his boards were probably flying off the shself, and i dont think he ever had any pro shoe either, or if he did it was no D3.
I know Lee Yankou (pro for Heroin Skateboards in Toronto) has a normal job outside of skateboarding, I think someone told me he has a full on trade. You make very good money doing that stuff and I think it is very useful for learning about how to fix up your house and shit. man that shit is valuable... i am 1 year into owning a home and i am so fucked. Even has uses for skateboarding like I think it makes you a lot better at building ramps or DIY spots even by being an electrician or whatever I think you just get a lot more exposed to using tools and shit like that compared to a computer nerd like me.
I think these guys were smart to play their cards this way and make sure they had a good source of income early on for something they enjoy doing. I wish I would have delayed going to College by like 3-4 years by my mom was so sure I would never go if i didnt go striaght away. I never ended up using that degree at all so was really just waste of time and money and time for me to just fuck around and party when that was like some of the most prime time for skating i could have bene doing. i always really liked doing stuff with computers but i think going to university for computer science was maybe a bit much for me at that age. if i would have just taken some course in college low level python or even just like web design stuff i think i would have bene a lot more happy.
I was able to work hard and make the most of my situation luckily and land myself a job doing stuff with software but i am fairly low on the totem pole. i am glad i did not go out too hard with skating becuase it seems like tons of guys ar ejust burnt on it and dont evne do it anymore or in some cases phsyically not even able to.
totally didn't have a pro model on DVS, ever hear of Google?
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I saw in instagram yesterday Chico Brenes works at a clothing store as a full time job. dude is straight legend, but then i thought about it and its not like his boards were probably flying off the shself, and i dont think he ever had any pro shoe either, or if he did it was no D3.
I know Lee Yankou (pro for Heroin Skateboards in Toronto) has a normal job outside of skateboarding, I think someone told me he has a full on trade. You make very good money doing that stuff and I think it is very useful for learning about how to fix up your house and shit. man that shit is valuable... i am 1 year into owning a home and i am so fucked. Even has uses for skateboarding like I think it makes you a lot better at building ramps or DIY spots even by being an electrician or whatever I think you just get a lot more exposed to using tools and shit like that compared to a computer nerd like me.
I think these guys were smart to play their cards this way and make sure they had a good source of income early on for something they enjoy doing. I wish I would have delayed going to College by like 3-4 years by my mom was so sure I would never go if i didnt go striaght away. I never ended up using that degree at all so was really just waste of time and money and time for me to just fuck around and party when that was like some of the most prime time for skating i could have bene doing. i always really liked doing stuff with computers but i think going to university for computer science was maybe a bit much for me at that age. if i would have just taken some course in college low level python or even just like web design stuff i think i would have bene a lot more happy.
I was able to work hard and make the most of my situation luckily and land myself a job doing stuff with software but i am fairly low on the totem pole. i am glad i did not go out too hard with skating becuase it seems like tons of guys ar ejust burnt on it and dont evne do it anymore or in some cases phsyically not even able to.
totally didn't have a pro model on DVS, ever hear of Google?
He had plenty of pro shoes on Dvs.
I just don't think there's such a thing as forever money in skateboarding. I could see even nyjah running out of money down the line if all he did was skate. Tony hawk would probably have a real job now if it wasn't for the games.
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He had plenty of pro shoes on Dvs.
I just don't think there's such a thing as forever money in skateboarding. I could see even nyjah running out of money down the line if all he did was skate. Tony hawk would probably have a real job now if it wasn't for the games.
I'd argue even without the video games, he'd be fine.
On the flipside i'd love to see Nyjah behind the cash register at Family Dollar.
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I saw in instagram yesterday Chico Brenes works at a clothing store as a full time job. dude is straight legend, but then i thought about it and its not like his boards were probably flying off the shself, and i dont think he ever had any pro shoe either, or if he did it was no D3.
I know Lee Yankou (pro for Heroin Skateboards in Toronto) has a normal job outside of skateboarding, I think someone told me he has a full on trade. You make very good money doing that stuff and I think it is very useful for learning about how to fix up your house and shit. man that shit is valuable... i am 1 year into owning a home and i am so fucked. Even has uses for skateboarding like I think it makes you a lot better at building ramps or DIY spots even by being an electrician or whatever I think you just get a lot more exposed to using tools and shit like that compared to a computer nerd like me.
I think these guys were smart to play their cards this way and make sure they had a good source of income early on for something they enjoy doing. I wish I would have delayed going to College by like 3-4 years by my mom was so sure I would never go if i didnt go striaght away. I never ended up using that degree at all so was really just waste of time and money and time for me to just fuck around and party when that was like some of the most prime time for skating i could have bene doing. i always really liked doing stuff with computers but i think going to university for computer science was maybe a bit much for me at that age. if i would have just taken some course in college low level python or even just like web design stuff i think i would have bene a lot more happy.
I was able to work hard and make the most of my situation luckily and land myself a job doing stuff with software but i am fairly low on the totem pole. i am glad i did not go out too hard with skating becuase it seems like tons of guys ar ejust burnt on it and dont evne do it anymore or in some cases phsyically not even able to.
I would think anyone who was pro for Crailtap between 1994 and 2001 had some years of great board sales.Even after that he probably made pretty good money. But, unless you invest smartly or are just making a ridiculous amount of cash, you aren''t making enough to never work after skating unless you are like Koston.
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To me that is kind of wild like i persoanlly dont feel the money is worth it like even at 200k a year (for a short window only, then you could end up at mcdonalds wages again for a bit) all said and done, because as Wade said, you are out there straight killing yourself, legit risking your life, sometimes 7 days a week for periods of time with no off season. NHL players have like 15 min of ice time per game... playing in 1 minute shifts, the amount of money they make is totally enough for them to retire off of. you are working like 100x harder for like 100x less money. there just isnt the same kind of money in it, i understand. i think hockey is probably way harder to ocme up in than skateboarding is too but the gap is narrowing for sure but definintely like way more kids play hockey than skate where i live.
idk its like on one hand buddy is right saying well its not like you are really missin out on being a plumber or w/e you might as well go for it if you have the opportunity. i just think you should try and learn something else as well that is worth good money try and think of this from a young age like if you like doing stuff with computers start getting into software early on and keep doing that on the side while you are skating. i think university fuckin sucks unless you wanna be a doctor engineer or lawyer. i think being a teacher sucks i touched on that earlier. i think trades are hype as fuck you make great money and you learn so much about the world its just a lot of hard work (but very rewarding not just monetarily) and it seems like yo uhave to work with a lot of dip shits which is not good for my personality type. most pro skater i see try to make a business and a lot of them are really half baked ideas with the odd 1/100 that ends up working out cause they have probably good parents + backing. i know for sure they have a lot of free time that just gets wasted i think more companies should look at getting thier pros more educated / persuing stuff they are interested besides skating especially if it can positively help the comapny they are ridin for
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To me that is kind of wild like i persoanlly dont feel the money is worth it like even at 200k a year (for a short window only, then you could end up at mcdonalds wages again for a bit) all said and done, because as Wade said, you are out there straight killing yourself, legit risking your life, sometimes 7 days a week for periods of time with no off season. NHL players have like 15 min of ice time per game... playing in 1 minute shifts, the amount of money they make is totally enough for them to retire off of. you are working like 100x harder for like 100x less money. there just isnt the same kind of money in it, i understand. i think hockey is probably way harder to ocme up in than skateboarding is too but the gap is narrowing for sure but definintely like way more kids play hockey than skate where i live.
idk its like on one hand buddy is right saying well its not like you are really missin out on being a plumber or w/e you might as well go for it if you have the opportunity. i just think you should try and learn something else as well that is worth good money try and think of this from a young age like if you like doing stuff with computers start getting into software early on and keep doing that on the side while you are skating. i think university fuckin sucks unless you wanna be a doctor engineer or lawyer. i think being a teacher sucks i touched on that earlier. i think trades are hype as fuck you make great money and you learn so much about the world its just a lot of hard work (but very rewarding not just monetarily) and it seems like yo uhave to work with a lot of dip shits which is not good for my personality type. most pro skater i see try to make a business and a lot of them are really half baked ideas with the odd 1/100 that ends up working out cause they have probably good parents + backing. i know for sure they have a lot of free time that just gets wasted i think more companies should look at getting thier pros more educated / persuing stuff they are interested besides skating especially if it can positively help the comapny they are ridin for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4
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To me that is kind of wild like i persoanlly dont feel the money is worth it like even at 200k a year (for a short window only, then you could end up at mcdonalds wages again for a bit) all said and done, because as Wade said, you are out there straight killing yourself, legit risking your life, sometimes 7 days a week for periods of time with no off season. NHL players have like 15 min of ice time per game... playing in 1 minute shifts, the amount of money they make is totally enough for them to retire off of. you are working like 100x harder for like 100x less money. there just isnt the same kind of money in it, i understand. i think hockey is probably way harder to ocme up in than skateboarding is too but the gap is narrowing for sure but definintely like way more kids play hockey than skate where i live.
idk its like on one hand buddy is right saying well its not like you are really missin out on being a plumber or w/e you might as well go for it if you have the opportunity. i just think you should try and learn something else as well that is worth good money try and think of this from a young age like if you like doing stuff with computers start getting into software early on and keep doing that on the side while you are skating. i think university fuckin sucks unless you wanna be a doctor engineer or lawyer. i think being a teacher sucks i touched on that earlier. i think trades are hype as fuck you make great money and you learn so much about the world its just a lot of hard work (but very rewarding not just monetarily) and it seems like yo uhave to work with a lot of dip shits which is not good for my personality type. most pro skater i see try to make a business and a lot of them are really half baked ideas with the odd 1/100 that ends up working out cause they have probably good parents + backing. i know for sure they have a lot of free time that just gets wasted i think more companies should look at getting thier pros more educated / persuing stuff they are interested besides skating especially if it can positively help the comapny they are ridin for
I don't know about that, feel like i've heard many times in interviews that a lot of the filming happens on weekends and that there's plenty of downtime. Think that pros could easily get some sort of education in a school that doesn't require too much attendance. Problem is that skate companies don't want to put much effort towards some guy who they don't think is committed to being a pro and isn't living that skater lifestyle 100%.
Also there are plenty of lower level hockey leagues where people get payed normal wages. A lot of the players are in a similar situation after their careers in terms of no education or work experience, but the difference is that there's much more guidance on what to do next provided by the leagues, you get connected with a lot of useful people in terms of jobs and business, and people in general respect you more for being a pro hockey player, so the employment rate for ex hockey players is pretty good. Hockey players usually come from middle to upper class families though, so that makes a big difference too
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Chico should have been fully on Adidas..his Instagram is daily and better that 98% of dudes who are fully hooked up. Daily inspiration.
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Chico should have been fully on Adidas..his Instagram is daily and better that 98% of dudes who are fully hooked up. Daily inspiration.
It's sick he started his own board thing, but I was really hoping after Normcore he'd fully get on Adidas/Palace.
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Don’t be mad at them, be mad at the nigga negotiating your deals.
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Getting paid to skate is a dream. I do it for free and love it.
100k a year is lower middle class in SoCal. I make that and live in an apt. I’m not struggling in the slightest but i am so far from rich. So far.
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the pro athlete bankruptcy stats are insane -- something like 75% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 2 years of leaving the league
there was a good 30 For 30 episode about it
Was so good! I saw a follow up video on that about how it’s gotten worst since the documentary too
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I saw in instagram yesterday Chico Brenes works at a clothing store as a full time job. dude is straight legend, but then i thought about it and its not like his boards were probably flying off the shself, and i dont think he ever had any pro shoe either, or if he did it was no D3.
I know Lee Yankou (pro for Heroin Skateboards in Toronto) has a normal job outside of skateboarding, I think someone told me he has a full on trade. You make very good money doing that stuff and I think it is very useful for learning about how to fix up your house and shit. man that shit is valuable... i am 1 year into owning a home and i am so fucked. Even has uses for skateboarding like I think it makes you a lot better at building ramps or DIY spots even by being an electrician or whatever I think you just get a lot more exposed to using tools and shit like that compared to a computer nerd like me.
I think these guys were smart to play their cards this way and make sure they had a good source of income early on for something they enjoy doing. I wish I would have delayed going to College by like 3-4 years by my mom was so sure I would never go if i didnt go striaght away. I never ended up using that degree at all so was really just waste of time and money and time for me to just fuck around and party when that was like some of the most prime time for skating i could have bene doing. i always really liked doing stuff with computers but i think going to university for computer science was maybe a bit much for me at that age. if i would have just taken some course in college low level python or even just like web design stuff i think i would have bene a lot more happy.
I was able to work hard and make the most of my situation luckily and land myself a job doing stuff with software but i am fairly low on the totem pole. i am glad i did not go out too hard with skating becuase it seems like tons of guys ar ejust burnt on it and dont evne do it anymore or in some cases phsyically not even able to.
Yeah, it seems like a lot of pros from that era did real well for themselves, if they planned ahead. Obviously not a Craig skater, but I know Heath Kirchart was a famous tightwad. When other pros got their $100,000 shoe check, they went out and partied for two weeks straight. When Heath got a big check, he famously went to the store and bought a chest freezer so he could buy food in bulk and keep his roommates from stealing it. In his Epicly Later'd, someone said he goes to the grocery store on November 1 and buys all the discounted Halloween candy, storing it in his freezer until he wants to eat it. He planned ahead and now he's effectively retired; just working on things and in fields where he has an interest.
If you're not gonna be Nyjah, this is the way to do it.
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Primitive has tiers for their team regarding salaries. Don't know the specifics of who's on what tier, but 100k is most likely near the top. If it's a Euro pro, he must mean Marek.
It has to be JB. No way Marek brings in a 100k euros.
Definitely Marek, he regularly puts out coverage, his other sponsors like Monster and Bones backs him heavy, is now well known Barca local and only relevant euro pro riding for primitive at the moment. I think he is still underrated and deserves more pro graphics, at least 1 new per year next to his giraffe graphic.
I dont mean that JB is irrelevant, but I dont remeber anything from him after welcome to primitive part. It looks like he is EU Legacy pro and I doubt that some younger kids know who he is.