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Title: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on October 27, 2021, 04:06:16 AM
Since they come out in 2 weeks figured there should be a place to specifically talk about them.....anyone rode a pair of the new ones yet? My homie who gets hooked up by them swears they are really good and the bushings in them are awesome and don't blow out. They officially come out 11nov, but im sure other people have already started seeing them pop up and skated them...if so how do they skate? Been wanting to try some new trucks lately since i've been on riding indys for so many years straight. Cant wait to start hearing if they are actually good or just another shitty truck...time will tell soon
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: JimGeko on October 27, 2021, 05:22:27 AM
is anything known about them yet? height? venture/thunder style WB or Indy?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on October 27, 2021, 05:39:27 AM
The last iteration was 50 mm, I believe.
The design of the previous truck was good imo. I’ve had several sets (10-12 years ago, but I believe that was all the same stage, 4), and did some of my best skating on them.
Like all things crail, there has been times it been really easy to be cynical about the quality or their (crail’s) approach.
I’d try some. The height was great, true mid. The metal was softer and ground down quickly, which I like, in the streets. Turn well when set up loose.
This is all re: the older stuff. I brought it up not to confuse the issue, but mainly because most folks had very negative experience with royals (‘kid’ truck that could break on flatground tricks underneath beginners).
I’ll try about anything with trucks tho.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 27, 2021, 07:41:37 AM
I'd love to hear Ben Degros' take on them and have Slap analyze the hell out of the wheelbase. If these are a Low 8.25 truck I'm down to try a pair, I ordered a pair of Mini Logo trucks just for the height reduction.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on October 27, 2021, 08:03:12 AM
These will be the new go-to trucks for the youtubers.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on October 27, 2021, 08:33:22 AM
There's down bad, and then there's flow for royal down bad.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Idk on October 27, 2021, 08:39:42 AM
I wish Rickk could skate some real trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on October 27, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
I wish Rickk could skate some real trucks.

Pretty sure he still rides for Indy.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on October 27, 2021, 06:45:23 PM
you heard it here first....Jeron said they are buttery and he hasnt even rode them yet lol
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on October 27, 2021, 07:14:53 PM
you know funny it’d be if they’re actually amazing and the new meta truck are royals. lowkey rooting for them bc they’ve been known to be trash for so long
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 27, 2021, 07:18:14 PM
2020 was the year of Venture
2021 was the year of ACE and the AF1
2022 is the year of Royal
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Velcro Wallet on October 27, 2021, 07:46:23 PM
How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MikeX on October 27, 2021, 08:20:42 PM
How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..

Dont forget Mike Mo, who was probably one of the best on flat before his injury and he rode royals
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MaXX_I-D on October 27, 2021, 10:06:25 PM
Do they turn?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on October 27, 2021, 10:50:57 PM
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How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..
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Dont forget Mike Mo, who was probably one of the best on flat before his injury and he rode royals

I mean….if it’s like that: Wes skated em for quite awhile, AVE, Hsu, CK1….
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: JugeL on October 27, 2021, 11:01:37 PM
I'd love to hear Ben Degros' take on them and have Slap analyze the hell out of the wheelbase. If these are a Low 8.25 truck I'm down to try a pair, I ordered a pair of Mini Logo trucks just for the height reduction.
Ben hated the older version so doubt he will review them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 27, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
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I'd love to hear Ben Degros' take on them and have Slap analyze the hell out of the wheelbase. If these are a Low 8.25 truck I'm down to try a pair, I ordered a pair of Mini Logo trucks just for the height reduction.
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Ben hated the older version so doubt he will review them

That one is lost in the ether unfortunately, wonder if he hated them more than Krux.

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How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..
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Dont forget Mike Mo, who was probably one of the best on flat before his injury and he rode royals
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I mean….if it’s like that: Wes skated em for quite awhile, AVE, Hsu, CK1….

Add Mariano to that list too.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 28, 2021, 06:16:22 AM
How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..

I don’t think they could be worse than Krux, who has a pretty stacked team of skaters. I guess, if you have decent talent, you can get used to most anything.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Candied cigarettes on October 28, 2021, 09:04:06 AM
Maybe once I burn my thunders out I’ll give these a shot assuming they’re not super tall… very curious/cautious about these.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on October 28, 2021, 11:51:33 AM
Imagine skating for Royal and Cariuma
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 28, 2021, 11:56:50 AM
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How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..
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Dont forget Mike Mo, who was probably one of the best on flat before his injury and he rode royals
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I mean….if it’s like that: Wes skated em for quite awhile, AVE, Hsu, CK1….

Talent will overcome gear for sure, still breaks my heart to see griffin on this crap though.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 28, 2021, 12:23:59 PM
When those dudes rode Royal everyone was still on small boards and lows. Turning wasn't a massive priority and they had similar dimensions and weight to lots of other things. Also, Royals looked a lot like Thunders and I recall Jerry skating our local park with Royal stickers on his deck on a set of Thunder Low Voltage...
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on October 28, 2021, 01:18:24 PM
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I'd love to hear Ben Degros' take on them and have Slap analyze the hell out of the wheelbase. If these are a Low 8.25 truck I'm down to try a pair, I ordered a pair of Mini Logo trucks just for the height reduction.
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Ben hated the older version so doubt he will review them

Ben has signaled in several videos he’s over reviewing trucks and mostly just wants to skate Indys so I wouldn’t expect it. Kinda sucks though because I love his truck review videos, he’s the only skateboarding YouTuber who actually knows his shit at all
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2021, 01:53:18 PM
https://skateparkoftampa.com/product/88995/Royal_Raw_The_Royal_Truck/&CID=85

These read as new with the updated geo and weight reduction but the royal site still says 11/11.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 28, 2021, 02:24:37 PM
I got sent a set to check out, look very similar to thunders aesthetically.
I'm gonna try them this weekend.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 28, 2021, 02:34:56 PM
I got sent a set to check out, look very similar to thunders aesthetically.
I'm gonna try them this weekend.
Look forward to the feedback. What size did they send you?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on October 28, 2021, 02:54:33 PM
I got sent a set to check out, look very similar to thunders aesthetically.
I'm gonna try them this weekend.


Looking forward to reading your thoughts if possible. By ig looks like you’ve been on indy lately?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 28, 2021, 03:22:51 PM
For the brave, socal has them:

https://socalskateshop.com/Royal-159mm-Standard-Inverted-Kingpin-Skateboard-Trucks-Raw-875-Axle.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Royal-159mm-Standard-Inverted-Kingpin-Skateboard-Trucks-Raw-875-Axle.html)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on October 28, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
Tactics has them in all sizes as well....was hoping they would list the height but should be updated soon to show that info
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 28, 2021, 04:58:39 PM
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I got sent a set to check out, look very similar to thunders aesthetically.
I'm gonna try them this weekend.
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Look forward to the feedback. What size did they send you?
149 8.5
for any pals interested we got our shipment today, my apologies for the low quality pic, waiting for assets from royal
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Royal/p/Royal-Trucks-raw-set-of-2-x60417394.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Royal/p/Royal-Trucks-raw-set-of-2-x60417394.htm)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on October 28, 2021, 05:14:40 PM
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I got sent a set to check out, look very similar to thunders aesthetically.
I'm gonna try them this weekend.
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Look forward to the feedback. What size did they send you?
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149 8.5
for any pals interested we got our shipment today, my apologies for the low quality pic, waiting for assets from royal
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Royal/p/Royal-Trucks-raw-set-of-2-x60417394.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Royal/p/Royal-Trucks-raw-set-of-2-x60417394.htm)

Any idea on the height of them yet?

*Also looks like royal did the standard kingpin version and inverted kingpin on the new trucks so you get the option of which one you want.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 28, 2021, 05:23:05 PM
We just compared, I would say height is the same as venture so 52mm or so.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 28, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
We just compared, I would say height is the same as venture so 52mm or so.
Damn, now I want to try them!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: logjammin on October 28, 2021, 06:05:11 PM
What a time to be alive for skateboard trucks. Lurpiv's...reinvented royals... I'd actually mmmmaybe consider trying these but I hate that crown baseplate stamp, yuck. And yeah, I suck so I'm not gonna nose or tailslide it away.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on October 28, 2021, 06:18:29 PM
As someone who randomly did some of the best skating of my youth on Royals (and who also broke the kingpin on said Royals within 20 minutes of getting back into skating as an adult) they will always have a soft spot in my heart.   

Does anyone know where these are made?  If they’re a shorter wheelbase Thunder I’d be interested in giving them a try. 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 28, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
We just compared, I would say height is the same as venture so 52mm or so.

Damn, I wanted them closer to a Venture Lo, 50mm region
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on October 28, 2021, 08:04:13 PM
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We just compared, I would say height is the same as venture so 52mm or so.
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Damn, I wanted them closer to a Venture Lo, 50mm region

Irrc they used to be 50mm
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2021, 09:10:04 PM
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How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..
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Dont forget Mike Mo, who was probably one of the best on flat before his injury and he rode royals
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I mean….if it’s like that: Wes skated em for quite awhile, AVE, Hsu, CK1….

Nigel was on fucking Silver...

I'm holding out for the Ultra lights version (hollow/hollow); hopefully they baseplates are universal so I can add an inverted pin to the hollows.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: ish_wav on October 28, 2021, 09:30:11 PM
I’m biting. I’m a thunder guy, but I’ve been on a nostalgia kick and I bought a g052. May as we’ll set it up with new thunders. Buying a set now.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on October 29, 2021, 03:10:34 AM
It'd be crazy if royals became the new meta for decent low trucks like what tensor has done with the taller ATGs. I posted earlier in the less popular truck thread but they're popping up in shops already. If they're good I'll probably buy them since feature wise it sounds like it has everything people want right now (lower to feel poppy, inverted kingpin, hopefully turns well, etc)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 29, 2021, 05:34:58 AM
It'd be crazy if royals became the new meta for decent low trucks like what tensor has done with the taller ATGs. I posted earlier in the less popular truck thread but they're popping up in shops already. If they're good I'll probably buy them since feature wise it sounds like it has everything people want right now (lower to feel poppy, inverted kingpin, hopefully turns well, etc)

2022 is the year of Royal trucks! If Tensor could gain some relevance in 2019/2020, Royal can make that come back. And if they are half way decent with the features (inverted kingpin, lowered height, not too heavy) then we got a stew going.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 29, 2021, 05:49:12 AM
Yall remember the description for the OG royals in the CCS catalogs back in the day? Said something to the effect of "still grinds like the clutch on your 90something civic". Even as a kid who didn't know how to drive stick yet, I was like "that doesn't sound good at all, who would want that?"
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 29, 2021, 06:28:34 AM
Weighed all the standard raw trucks in the same size
Independent 13.4 oz
Thunder 12.9
Venture 13.2
Royal 12.3
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Srt32srt on October 29, 2021, 06:46:28 AM
It'd be crazy if royals became the new meta for decent low trucks like what tensor has done with the taller ATGs. I posted earlier in the less popular truck thread but they're popping up in shops already. If they're good I'll probably buy them since feature wise it sounds like it has everything people want right now (lower to feel poppy, inverted kingpin, hopefully turns well, etc)

love the new Tensor mag light ATGs have a set for my setups.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on October 29, 2021, 08:35:03 AM
The new royal trucks actually look pretty good. My homie who gets hooked up by them said they skate similar to a venture but are better. He said the bushings in the new ones are really good and turn very well. Im still up in the air about them but they are on my mind to try

didn't really care about the new royals before, but this very bold statement in another thread got me super curious. so if anyone who ordered them and has experience with ventures, pls share how it goes
also, i'm really liking the bushing color ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: E on October 29, 2021, 09:25:28 AM
Just ordered a pair of the new Raw 144's non-inverted kingpin. Will report back once they arrive and I set them up.

Currently skating Indy's.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 29, 2021, 11:42:55 AM
Preface
I set up a set of the 149 8.5 raw with a habitat 8.5 14.25 wb and spitfire 52’s, I’m also a big old guy 47 and 6’ 200lbs, I kept the stock bushings and gave them 1.5 turns to tighten them.
I’m a fan, they turn super well and the stock bushings feel like ace bushings. The grind was great, pop was solid. Would compare the turn to a mix of Indy and ace.
My garage is pretty tight and i made the turn easily.
 https://youtu.be/Wo0nZlcyWSM (https://youtu.be/Wo0nZlcyWSM)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Idk on October 29, 2021, 11:58:57 AM
Nice garage set up.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 29, 2021, 12:00:00 PM
It keeps me sane, rains so much here.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 29, 2021, 05:03:40 PM
^ Such a casual blunt to fakie
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: pugmaster on October 29, 2021, 05:32:45 PM
Preface
I set up a set of the 149 8.5 raw with a habitat 8.5 14.25 wb and spitfire 52’s, I’m also a big old guy 47 and 6’ 200lbs, I kept the stock bushings and gave them 1.5 turns to tighten them.
I’m a fan, they turn super well and the stock bushings feel like ace bushings. The grind was great, pop was solid. Would compare the turn to a mix of Indy and ace.
My garage is pretty tight and i made the turn easily.
 https://youtu.be/Wo0nZlcyWSM (https://youtu.be/Wo0nZlcyWSM)

Turn porn
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: chris. on October 29, 2021, 05:42:04 PM
D
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on October 29, 2021, 05:42:25 PM
Preface
I set up a set of the 149 8.5 raw with a habitat 8.5 14.25 wb and spitfire 52’s, I’m also a big old guy 47 and 6’ 200lbs, I kept the stock bushings and gave them 1.5 turns to tighten them.
I’m a fan, they turn super well and the stock bushings feel like ace bushings. The grind was great, pop was solid. Would compare the turn to a mix of Indy and ace.
My garage is pretty tight and i made the turn easily.
 https://youtu.be/Wo0nZlcyWSM (https://youtu.be/Wo0nZlcyWSM)

Damn, I'm gonna have to get a pair lol.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Roger Mexico on October 29, 2021, 05:45:37 PM
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I'd love to hear Ben Degros' take on them and have Slap analyze the hell out of the wheelbase. If these are a Low 8.25 truck I'm down to try a pair, I ordered a pair of Mini Logo trucks just for the height reduction.
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Ben hated the older version so doubt he will review them
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That one is lost in the ether unfortunately, wonder if he hated them more than Krux.

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How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..
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Dont forget Mike Mo, who was probably one of the best on flat before his injury and he rode royals
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I mean….if it’s like that: Wes skated em for quite awhile, AVE, Hsu, CK1….
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Add Mariano to that list too.

And D Gar too.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 29, 2021, 05:48:45 PM
How are people shitting on Indy for moving to China but stoked on a 20 year old China-made truck company finally making something that is actually worthy of selling?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on October 29, 2021, 06:00:21 PM
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I'd love to hear Ben Degros' take on them and have Slap analyze the hell out of the wheelbase. If these are a Low 8.25 truck I'm down to try a pair, I ordered a pair of Mini Logo trucks just for the height reduction.
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Ben hated the older version so doubt he will review them
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That one is lost in the ether unfortunately, wonder if he hated them more than Krux.

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How does Griffin Gass rule so hard on Royal’s? Keeps me up at night..
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Dont forget Mike Mo, who was probably one of the best on flat before his injury and he rode royals
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I mean….if it’s like that: Wes skated em for quite awhile, AVE, Hsu, CK1….
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Add Mariano to that list too.
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And D Gar too.

D Gar and Raymond Molinar both rode royals, in a lot of their footage. KT too.
I dunno how I left off Danny Garcia tho. Some of my fave stuff ever that guy.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on October 29, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
How are people shitting on Indy for moving to China but stoked on a 20 year old China-made truck company finally making something that is actually worthy of selling?

everyone loves an underdog success story, right?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 29, 2021, 06:13:56 PM
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How are people shitting on Indy for moving to China but stoked on a 20 year old China-made truck company finally making something that is actually worthy of selling?
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everyone loves an underdog success story, right?
(https://i.imgur.com/H1gkxAm.jpg)
Damn skippy We do.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on October 29, 2021, 06:40:36 PM
How are people shitting on Indy for moving to China but stoked on a 20 year old China-made truck company finally making something that is actually worthy of selling?

Personally could care less where trucks are made and think indys are still good trucks after the move to china...maybe even better i could say. I know most slap pals hate on crailtap but im still a craig fan so i support them and am down to try some royals out again after many years of riding the same trucks. Thats just me though
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on October 29, 2021, 07:02:41 PM
Weighed all the standard raw trucks in the same size
Independent 13.4 oz
Thunder 12.9
Venture 13.2
Royal 12.3

That's a great weight for a standard, pretty impressed they could get that low. Thanks for the info.

Any chance you do a wheel clearance on nose/tail slides comparison? If it's better than Thunder I'll for sure cop a pair.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 29, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
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How are people shitting on Indy for moving to China but stoked on a 20 year old China-made truck company finally making something that is actually worthy of selling?
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everyone loves an underdog success story, right?
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(https://i.imgur.com/H1gkxAm.jpg)
Damn skippy We do.

Craig is underdogs with their green screens, special effects, and random skate swag like alarm clocks, lighters, and buttplugs.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2021, 07:53:12 PM
How are people shitting on Indy for moving to China but stoked on a 20 year old China-made truck company finally making something that is actually worthy of selling?

I think it was more than NHS moving production to China, my guess it had to do with rider pay as well.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 29, 2021, 09:24:19 PM
Honestly that turn is very impressive, 348g for a 8.5 truck is seriously impressive.

Hit us with that magic wheelbase displacement number!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2021, 09:46:59 PM
Lurpiv territory - note they were both able to get Indy ti-like weight with a different casting methods, wonder if they are using similar methods of RC.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Esquivel on October 30, 2021, 03:42:43 AM
Craig is underdogs with their green screens, special effects, and random skate swag like alarm clocks, lighters, and buttplugs.

Interesting... Can I have more details or a link for this?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 30, 2021, 07:39:49 AM
How are people shitting on Indy for moving to China but stoked on a 20 year old China-made truck company finally making something that is actually worthy of selling?

Some moron has to bring this up in every truck thread.

No one gives a shit. Shut up.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Srt32srt on October 30, 2021, 07:56:55 AM
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Weighed all the standard raw trucks in the same size
Independent 13.4 oz
Thunder 12.9
Venture 13.2
Royal 12.3
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That's a great weight for a standard, pretty impressed they could get that low. Thanks for the info.

need to weight all trucks in grams for a more precise number. i weigh all my trucks but all in grams.

Any chance you do a wheel clearance on nose/tail slides comparison? If it's better than Thunder I'll for sure cop a pair.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 30, 2021, 08:07:45 AM
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Craig is underdogs with their green screens, special effects, and random skate swag like alarm clocks, lighters, and buttplugs.
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Interesting... Can I have more details or a link for this?

A man of culture I see, judging by you profile pic.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FS_Overcrook on October 30, 2021, 08:30:52 AM
I received an advance set like @144p. I currently ride ACE AF1s, but haven't set up the Royals yet. Based on holding them in my hands they feel really solid. Pivot cups and Bushings are way better and turn when I put them on the floor and applied pressure. The hanger looks similar to a Thunder rather than the older Stage 4 Royals. The metal looks pretty solid too, like it will hold up to grinds. We sold a ton of the old Stage 4 Royals at my shop and these look like a night and day difference. They apparently have been working on these trucks for about a year but supply chain delays have pushed them back so I'm sure that the team has been skating samples for some time.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 30, 2021, 08:35:15 AM
I received an advance set like @144p. I currently ride ACE AF1s, but haven't set up the Royals yet. Based on holding them in my hands they feel really solid. Pivot cups and Bushings are way better and turn when I put them on the floor and applied pressure. The hanger looks similar to a Thunder rather than the older Stage 4 Royals. The metal looks pretty solid too, like it will hold up to grinds. We sold a ton of the old Stage 4 Royals at my shop and these look like a night and day difference. They apparently have been working on these trucks for about a year but supply chain delays have pushed them back so I'm sure that the team has been skating samples for some time.

Sweet

Ok I'm sold. Getting a pair.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2021, 12:20:13 PM
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Weighed all the standard raw trucks in the same size
Independent 13.4 oz
Thunder 12.9
Venture 13.2
Royal 12.3
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That's a great weight for a standard, pretty impressed they could get that low. Thanks for the info.

need to weight all trucks in grams for a more precise number. i weigh all my trucks but all in grams.

Any chance you do a wheel clearance on nose/tail slides comparison? If it's better than Thunder I'll for sure cop a pair.
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FWIW the 149 Indy Hollow Mids with inverted pin (52mm) come in at 392g (13.8274oz - wth are we using oz here?), so even as a 149 standard low/52mm truck with inverted pins coming in at 348.6991oz, you are still lighter than Indys 'best' low truck offering.

Also assuming the above measurements are 149s?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 30, 2021, 12:55:04 PM
Indy axles don’t bend so bad that their own sponsored riders (currently, as seen in the wild) skate Thunders. Griffin is obviously on Thunders and in person can confirm he rides them a lot of the time.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on October 30, 2021, 01:15:14 PM
Indy axles don’t bend so bad that their own sponsored riders (currently, as seen in the wild) skate Thunders. Griffin is obviously on Thunders and in person can confirm he rides them a lot of the time.

I didn’t know he skated thunders, recently. The few times I’ve seen him in person, he was skating thunders, but this is long, long ago, before he was on Royal. Saw him on ventures, in footage, but couldn’t tell if they were 6.1s or 5.8s (I’m always surprised how hard it is for me to judge the width of setups in footage).

Anyways, you trying to sell me some indys or what?
I have a bias against indy, mostly irrational. The China indys are possibly better than the ermico ones were, but….I’d rather ride cast ventures made here. Indys are decent all around, but from a purely skate perspective I am always wanting something a little different, in several areas. From a company image standpoint….I mean fuck, no.


Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2021, 03:43:11 PM
Been on the fence about getting some 149 thunder standards for my slappy board, picked up a set of these instead.

Probably too much to hope for...indy/ace/ML'ish turn, thunder pop, 52mm height, decent weight, inverted pin...maybe a WB between thunder and indy?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on October 30, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
I like old Royal Trux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ycPKfwLqh0
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 30, 2021, 04:46:49 PM
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Indy axles don’t bend so bad that their own sponsored riders (currently, as seen in the wild) skate Thunders. Griffin is obviously on Thunders and in person can confirm he rides them a lot of the time.
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I didn’t know he skated thunders, recently. The few times I’ve seen him in person, he was skating thunders, but this is long, long ago, before he was on Royal. Saw him on ventures, in footage, but couldn’t tell if they were 6.1s or 5.8s (I’m always surprised how hard it is for me to judge the width of setups in footage).

Anyways, you trying to sell me some indys or what?
I have a bias against indy, mostly irrational. The China indys are possibly better than the ermico ones were, but….I’d rather ride cast ventures made here. Indys are decent all around, but from a purely skate perspective I am always wanting something a little different, in several areas. From a company image standpoint….I mean fuck, no.

He skates 8.5 width decks and trucks, only puts on Royals if he has to shoot a photo. I’m not actually sure if he’s ridden the new ones. It would be weird that Jeron hasn’t if he has simply because Jeron is a Crail OG.

No worries on having preferences, I just found it amusing that people were so fervent about being anti-Indy then in this thread seemed to lose their Ermico devotion.

According to someone at NHS, Ermico had way more QC issues than people realize. A lot of the slipped axle issues, bad finishing, and kingpins that would come loose were a result of this and they often couldn’t actually produce at the scale Indy requested. Contrary to what people think Ermico isn’t just a bunch of skaters making trucks it’s a foundry. It didn’t make sense from a business perspective to keep using them.

Honestly I hope these Royals are better than those of old just because I’d rather see there be more high quality options for those that want them be it Royal, Tensor, Film, Indy, whatever.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2021, 05:33:39 PM
Had one of my best sessions in a while today on Indy 149ti...I've realized low 149s/14.3x wheelbase is still my shit; no surprise tho as that's all I skated in my 'prime' but on 8.3s but as I got older I forced myself to downsize to 8.25+144/148 trucks as some tricks became harder with these tired ass legs. 

I'm hoping the royals turn decently, 52mm is the perfect height truck for me (Ace Classics). I'm worried about wheelbite tho.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 30, 2021, 07:00:47 PM
Damn, they do an 8.75" axle truck!

What the hell Ace?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2021, 07:08:28 PM
Damn, they do an 8.75" axle truck!

What the hell Ace?

Funny, I was JUST thinking about that as I was cooking, flashed to seeing it as an option, 52mm 8.75 truck...if the 149s work out I'll bump to 8.75 for my big boy board.

Plenty of great 8.75 options out there tho: ML, 151s, 159s, etc.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 30, 2021, 07:17:27 PM
Seems pretty interesting. It's nice that the photos show that they actually have kingpin clearance now.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 30, 2021, 09:40:10 PM
I popped out my kingpins and put some krux downlow ones in. Feeling good.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on October 30, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
I popped out my kingpins and put some krux downlow ones in. Feeling good.

I'm guessing the process was painless if you already had the inverted version of the trucks? Not gonna lie I wanna see a photo. Krux hollow downlows with these sound like slaps wet dream, especially if there's no conversion mod fuckery
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2021, 10:48:39 PM
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I popped out my kingpins and put some krux downlow ones in. Feeling good.
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I'm guessing the process was painless if you already had the inverted version of the trucks? Not gonna lie I wanna see a photo. Krux hollow downlows with these sound like slaps wet dream, especially if there's no conversion mod fuckery

There is still the issue of the krux top washer not fitting inside the bushing hole tho ;) Not that you can shave out a larger hole (which I've done). I'm sitting on a pair and will put them in for sure.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: logjammin on October 31, 2021, 05:20:20 AM
I'll try these if they're snappy like Ace and offer a better turn than Indy for sure. If the inverted ones have the shaft nut design in the baseplate I can just put my titanium kingpin bolt things in there and be good to go.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 07:02:47 AM
I know they make a downlow version but they didn’t send me those. These were much tougher to pop out vs a standard cast baseplate.
(https://i.imgur.com/aoNOiou.jpg)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 31, 2021, 07:43:09 AM
Had one of my best sessions in a while today on Indy 149ti...I've realized low 149s/14.3x wheelbase is still my shit; no surprise tho as that's all I skated in my 'prime' but on 8.3s but as I got older I forced myself to downsize to 8.25+144/148 trucks as some tricks became harder with these tired ass legs. 

I'm hoping the royals turn decently, 52mm is the perfect height truck for me (Ace Classics). I'm worried about wheelbite tho.

IIRC you tried and didn’t like Mids right? If not try the hollows. The weight doesn’t seem to phase me one bit and I normally skated forged hollows or lighter options. I run 52’s with 144’s and wheelbite isn’t an issue.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 31, 2021, 08:00:26 AM
Someone one should have skated them by now surely?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 08:13:30 AM
I skated them a few times now and posted a video a few pages back of the turn.
I’m a fan. Great turn and in the realm of Indy/ace.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: ok boomer on October 31, 2021, 08:24:34 AM
http://youtu.be/nlcIKh6sBtc
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 31, 2021, 11:54:00 AM
I know they make a downlow version but they didn’t send me those. These were much tougher to pop out vs a standard cast baseplate.
(https://i.imgur.com/aoNOiou.jpg)

Looks almost like a Venture baseplate.

Really rough casting on these, does it say what alloy they use?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 31, 2021, 12:10:55 PM
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I know they make a downlow version but they didn’t send me those. These were much tougher to pop out vs a standard cast baseplate.
(https://i.imgur.com/aoNOiou.jpg)
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Looks almost like a Venture baseplate.

Really rough casting on these, does it say what alloy they use?

Yeah honestly that metal finish reminds me of trucks you'd find on a cheap complete.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 31, 2021, 12:34:46 PM
Damn kind of tempted to try these out. If anyone who has their can comment on how much it pushes out the WB it would be much appreciated
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
The whole truck has venture vibes for sure.

As for casting, I'm seen some pretty rough ass Thunder teams in my time and FWIW they look just like Theeves, being more pitted...but honestly, out of the gate casting, as long as the truck is durable, doesn't mean anything to me anymore since I'm going to trash them in the first 5min of use.

My set shipped out this morning (go Skate Warehouse working on Sundays, get them dollas boys!).

35th ave. dude, do you have any shots of the IKP plate bottom? Assuming it's Film/Krux style and not some elaborate Indy plate method.

Theeve pic
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1955/1231/products/TE-9347798002580_1400x.jpg?v=1575497222
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: JugeL on October 31, 2021, 03:19:14 PM
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I know they make a downlow version but they didn’t send me those. These were much tougher to pop out vs a standard cast baseplate.
(https://i.imgur.com/aoNOiou.jpg)
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Looks almost like a Venture baseplate.

Really rough casting on these, does it say what alloy they use?
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Yeah honestly that metal finish reminds me of trucks you'd find on a cheap complete.
Reminds me of the Mike Mo setup video where his baseplate is cracked

Kept me away from Royals since then
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on October 31, 2021, 04:36:41 PM
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I know they make a downlow version but they didn’t send me those. These were much tougher to pop out vs a standard cast baseplate.
(https://i.imgur.com/aoNOiou.jpg)
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Looks almost like a Venture baseplate.

Really rough casting on these, does it say what alloy they use?

Oh man, it does look like Venture with the hole placement way back.

Does a skate tool work on these?

If so, then we can assume the wheelbase is less than Venture so it looks like the clearance will be solid. I love the looks of these as well, raw silver has always been my favorite.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2021, 05:11:48 PM
I skated them a few times now and posted a video a few pages back of the turn.
I’m a fan. Great turn and in the realm of Indy/ace.

How is the:

Wheelbite?
Pop feel?
The Grind? What brand do they grind similar too?
Clearance for mounting hardware or kingpin?
Washer situation? Top Washer Binding? Any bushing spill over?
Is there a special plate design or just shaped like regular [deez] nuts?

Sheesh, man, fervent OCD truck nerd minds need to know!

(I'm just messing with you ;)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 06:23:23 PM

How is the:

Wheelbite? I switched from 52 to 54 today, some wheelbite but wasn’t bad

Pop feel? I really like it, super responsive and my shuvs felt better than ever
The Grind? Initially I was skeptical but since these are a raw truck meaning no polish it took a little bit to wear off that semi rough surface and now they grind like a champ.

 What brand do they grind similar too? I skated a curb today and went back and forth between my Indus and these and there was no difference

Clearance for mounting hardware or kingpin?
I had no issues fitting a skate tool in, definitely not the same axle placement as venture. The axle seems farther back like Indy. Also no issues loosening or tightening the kingpin as well

Washer situation? Top Washer Binding? Any bushing spill over? I had zero issues with any of this, the bushings felt great out of the gate, no squeaks or anything.

Is there a special plate design or just shaped like regular [deez] nuts?
I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the opening where the kingpin goes secures a nut for the down low kingpin easily.

I filmed a few grinds, the turn was even better today, the trucks really performed well. I have no plans of taking them off or going back to Indy. Today I skated a park and did lots of manuals and all my normal flip tricks felt great.
 https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks (https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 31, 2021, 06:38:28 PM

 https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks (https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks)

Damn that curb look so fun!

The whole truck has venture vibes for sure.

As for casting, I'm seen some pretty rough ass Thunder teams in my time and FWIW they look just like Theeves, being more pitted...but honestly, out of the gate casting, as long as the truck is durable, doesn't mean anything to me anymore since I'm going to trash them in the first 5min of use.

My set shipped out this morning (go Skate Warehouse working on Sundays, get them dollas boys!).

35th ave. dude, do you have any shots of the IKP plate bottom? Assuming it's Film/Krux style and not some elaborate Indy plate method.

Theeve pic
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1955/1231/products/TE-9347798002580_1400x.jpg?v=1575497222

You know the drill, wheelbase measurements!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on October 31, 2021, 06:44:48 PM

How is the:

Wheelbite? I switched from 52 to 54 today, some wheelbite but wasn’t bad

Pop feel? I really like it, super responsive and my shuvs felt better than ever
The Grind? Initially I was skeptical but since these are a raw truck meaning no polish it took a little bit to wear off that semi rough surface and now they grind like a champ.

 What brand do they grind similar too? I skated a curb today and went back and forth between my Indus and these and there was no difference

Clearance for mounting hardware or kingpin?
I had no issues fitting a skate tool in, definitely not the same axle placement as venture. The axle seems farther back like Indy. Also no issues loosening or tightening the kingpin as well

Washer situation? Top Washer Binding? Any bushing spill over? I had zero issues with any of this, the bushings felt great out of the gate, no squeaks or anything.

Is there a special plate design or just shaped like regular [deez] nuts?
I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the opening where the kingpin goes secures a nut for the down low kingpin easily.

I filmed a few grinds, the turn was even better today, the trucks really performed well. I have no plans of taking them off or going back to Indy. Today I skated a park and did lots of manuals and all my normal flip tricks felt great.
 https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks (https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks)

Curb Clips were so sick! that curb spot looks amazing to skate from the angle of the curb to the train in the background...Always a fan of some good slappies! Making me want the royals more now
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 06:46:30 PM
I’ve never measured the true wb, is this center of axle to center of axle?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GBLange on October 31, 2021, 06:46:39 PM

 https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks (https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks)

curbs super buttery..awesome..
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2021, 06:50:09 PM

How is the:

Wheelbite? I switched from 52 to 54 today, some wheelbite but wasn’t bad

Pop feel? I really like it, super responsive and my shuvs felt better than ever
The Grind? Initially I was skeptical but since these are a raw truck meaning no polish it took a little bit to wear off that semi rough surface and now they grind like a champ.

 What brand do they grind similar too? I skated a curb today and went back and forth between my Indus and these and there was no difference

Clearance for mounting hardware or kingpin?
I had no issues fitting a skate tool in, definitely not the same axle placement as venture. The axle seems farther back like Indy. Also no issues loosening or tightening the kingpin as well

Washer situation? Top Washer Binding? Any bushing spill over? I had zero issues with any of this, the bushings felt great out of the gate, no squeaks or anything.

Is there a special plate design or just shaped like regular [deez] nuts?
I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the opening where the kingpin goes secures a nut for the down low kingpin easily.

I filmed a few grinds, the turn was even better today, the trucks really performed well. I have no plans of taking them off or going back to Indy. Today I skated a park and did lots of manuals and all my normal flip tricks felt great.
 https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks (https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks)

MVP! I didn't expect you to answer, but thanks man! G'nard.

Sick clips man, jealous of that spot. The look like they grind just fine, good pinch too.

"Is there a special plate design or just shaped like regular [deez] nuts?
I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the opening where the kingpin goes secures a nut for the down low kingpin easily."

I was asking if they had some special setup like the indy mids or just a hex shaped hole like the films.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 06:51:53 PM
I put my krux kingpins in these, haven’t seen their version yet but assuming it’s no different than what I did.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 06:55:31 PM
I’m riding a habitat board with 14.25 wb and from center of axle to center of axle is 17 3/8.
Truck nerds please decipher this.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 31, 2021, 06:58:57 PM
I’m riding a habitat board with 14.25 wb and from center of axle to center of axle is 17 3/8.
Truck nerds please decipher this.

Thanks for entertaining the request!

+3.125" - so somewhere like a Indy Forged or Thunder Team Standard
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2021, 07:07:59 PM
I’ve never measured the true wb, is this center of axle to center of axle?

Yep.

My guess is that if they turn like an Indy (ACE/ML/Theeve and to a lesser extent, Tensor) they they'll be a tighter / pulled in WB vs the Thunder/Venture extended WB...unless Crail worked some voodoo.

I spent the week on 148 thunder teams, Saturday on 149 ti forged indys and today on 149 Tenosr ATGs getting ready for some comparisons come monday or tuesday.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 07:15:08 PM
It’s a quick but very stable turn, after a full day on them I really like the feel a lot.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 31, 2021, 09:30:19 PM
If anyone can confirm the height that would be rad, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet already
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2021, 09:56:42 PM
If anyone can confirm the height that would be rad, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet already

I believe it was said they are 52mm (re-read that, not sure anyone has confirmed yet).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on October 31, 2021, 09:59:11 PM
I measured from the middle of the axle to my deck and it looks to be about 53mm or 2.125 inches
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 31, 2021, 11:32:52 PM
https://www.tactics.com/thunder/polished-skateboard-trucks/polished-147

Sounds similar to a Thunder Team Standard. Still hoping the smaller 8.0 - 8.25 variant come in a little lower.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on November 01, 2021, 12:06:34 AM
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I’ve never measured the true wb, is this center of axle to center of axle?
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Yep.

My guess is that if they turn like an Indy (ACE/ML/Theeve and to a lesser extent, Tensor) they they'll be a tighter / pulled in WB vs the Thunder/Venture extended WB...unless Crail worked some voodoo.

I spent the week on 148 thunder teams, Saturday on 149 ti forged indys and today on 149 Tenosr ATGs getting ready for some comparisons come monday or tuesday.

Did you get the inverted kingpin? I'm curious to know if it's a loose nut, or if it's 'built in'.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: SharkJohnson on November 01, 2021, 12:10:59 AM
tactics has the height of the new royals at 55mm, can anyone confirm or deny?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 01, 2021, 01:14:23 AM
tactics has the height of the new royals at 55mm, can anyone confirm or deny?

https://www.tactics.com/royal/skateboard-trucks

Where are you seeing 55mm? The specs for the new trucks haven't been updated.

Tactics used to be the gold standard for measurements, but they've been slipping recently.
https://www.tactics.com/venture/og-v-hollow-lights-skateboard-trucks/polished-green-wings-56-hi

Measurements on the Ventures are all over the place.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: SharkJohnson on November 01, 2021, 01:40:10 AM
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tactics has the height of the new royals at 55mm, can anyone confirm or deny?
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https://www.tactics.com/royal/skateboard-trucks

Where are you seeing 55mm? The specs for the new trucks haven't been updated.

Tactics used to be the gold standard for measurements, but they've been slipping recently.
https://www.tactics.com/venture/og-v-hollow-lights-skateboard-trucks/polished-green-wings-56-hi

Measurements on the Ventures are all over the place.
ok you got me i made the tactics part up...... anyone know the height of these trucks though?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on November 01, 2021, 04:15:25 AM

How is the:

Wheelbite? I switched from 52 to 54 today, some wheelbite but wasn’t bad

Pop feel? I really like it, super responsive and my shuvs felt better than ever
The Grind? Initially I was skeptical but since these are a raw truck meaning no polish it took a little bit to wear off that semi rough surface and now they grind like a champ.

 What brand do they grind similar too? I skated a curb today and went back and forth between my Indus and these and there was no difference

Clearance for mounting hardware or kingpin?
I had no issues fitting a skate tool in, definitely not the same axle placement as venture. The axle seems farther back like Indy. Also no issues loosening or tightening the kingpin as well

Washer situation? Top Washer Binding? Any bushing spill over? I had zero issues with any of this, the bushings felt great out of the gate, no squeaks or anything.

Is there a special plate design or just shaped like regular [deez] nuts?
I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the opening where the kingpin goes secures a nut for the down low kingpin easily.

I filmed a few grinds, the turn was even better today, the trucks really performed well. I have no plans of taking them off or going back to Indy. Today I skated a park and did lots of manuals and all my normal flip tricks felt great.
 https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks (https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks)
Thanx for the answers and the rad video. You rock and the spot is dope. The trucks seem to grind way better than the old models (i have a pair of royal lows that are good only for flatground flip tricks and some crooks)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 01, 2021, 05:58:57 AM
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How is the:

Wheelbite? I switched from 52 to 54 today, some wheelbite but wasn’t bad

Pop feel? I really like it, super responsive and my shuvs felt better than ever
The Grind? Initially I was skeptical but since these are a raw truck meaning no polish it took a little bit to wear off that semi rough surface and now they grind like a champ.

 What brand do they grind similar too? I skated a curb today and went back and forth between my Indus and these and there was no difference

Clearance for mounting hardware or kingpin?
I had no issues fitting a skate tool in, definitely not the same axle placement as venture. The axle seems farther back like Indy. Also no issues loosening or tightening the kingpin as well

Washer situation? Top Washer Binding? Any bushing spill over? I had zero issues with any of this, the bushings felt great out of the gate, no squeaks or anything.

Is there a special plate design or just shaped like regular [deez] nuts?
I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the opening where the kingpin goes secures a nut for the down low kingpin easily.

I filmed a few grinds, the turn was even better today, the trucks really performed well. I have no plans of taking them off or going back to Indy. Today I skated a park and did lots of manuals and all my normal flip tricks felt great.
 https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks (https://youtu.be/wkLm41uubks)
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Thanx for the answers and the rad video. You rock and the spot is dope. The trucks seem to grind way better than the old models (i have a pair of royal lows that are good only for flatground flip tricks and some crooks)

Agreed that first slappy crook was extremely satisfying.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2021, 09:46:08 AM
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I’ve never measured the true wb, is this center of axle to center of axle?
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Yep.

My guess is that if they turn like an Indy (ACE/ML/Theeve and to a lesser extent, Tensor) they they'll be a tighter / pulled in WB vs the Thunder/Venture extended WB...unless Crail worked some voodoo.

I spent the week on 148 thunder teams, Saturday on 149 ti forged indys and today on 149 Tenosr ATGs getting ready for some comparisons come monday or tuesday.
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Did you get the inverted kingpin? I'm curious to know if it's a loose nut, or if it's 'built in'.

He did and replaced it with the krux downlow (old hollow one, not the new indy style) I asked the same question the response was "I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the opening where the kingpin goes secures a nut for the down low kingpin easily." So 'm guessing the plate design hold it (like Krux) vs a hex head like film or indy's heavy and elaborate threaded plug style setup.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 01, 2021, 10:02:24 AM
I never anticipated riding Royals, but if there's a stock truck that turns like an Indy or Ace and accepts a standard Nylock nut on the baseplate without modification, I am very interested.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 01, 2021, 10:24:38 AM
Hell now I'm curious how bad the original ones were that any improvement is considered monumental. I would like to try a pair of the old Lows or ones with hex head.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on November 01, 2021, 10:26:38 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVnhAEQMSes/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVnhAEQMSes/)

Expected a different baseplate bottom. Do you think it looks different on the inverted ones?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on November 01, 2021, 11:00:05 AM
Hell now I'm curious how bad the original ones were that any improvement is considered monumental. I would like to try a pair of the old Lows or ones with hex head.

The lows in like 2000, with the infamous Mariano shape and spitfire 49s
One of my fave setups all time
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVnhAEQMSes/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVnhAEQMSes/)

Expected a different baseplate bottom. Do you think it looks different on the inverted ones?

Me too. I'd imagine it would have to be? If it isn't then the nut would just spin, unless the cavity of the plate is narrow enough...and I doubt they go to the hassle of creating two different plates..it's royal after all, not enough following to spend that kind of dough on different molds. I was hoping for a Film style plate that could accommodate both; this should be the norm these days with all the IKP option out there.

@144p can you (or did you) take a photo of your plate if you ever take them off?

I should be getting mine today or tomorrow and will snap some pics of the inverted plate bottom.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on November 01, 2021, 12:23:31 PM
Mine was the same, nut fits in there perfectly and doesn’t spin, probably designed that way so they use the same base for both standard and down low kingpins.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on November 01, 2021, 12:47:43 PM
From crail
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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2021, 02:12:51 PM
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Sweet 52mm

Mine was the same, nut fits in there perfectly and doesn’t spin, probably designed that way so they use the same base for both standard and down low kingpins.

Nice. I'll probably drop a small amount of epoxy in there for piece of mind when I swap in the krux pins. Did the krux washer lip (on the bottom) fit in the top bushing hole? Wishful thinking I know.

Still pretty sic they were able to beat Indy ti by 10g..without anything hollow and using the same heavy ass style IKP (which is why I'll swap to the Krux DL). That Indy yoke design is really keeping their weight up compared to everyone else's hanger design. Trying to beat the Indy Mid at it's own game?

Aren't Thunder 149 Teams around 360? (I'm referencing teams since Thunder doesn't make a non-hollow forged).

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 01, 2021, 06:44:34 PM
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Sweet Urgh 52mm

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Mine was the same, nut fits in there perfectly and doesn’t spin, probably designed that way so they use the same base for both standard and down low kingpins.
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338g for the 139 is right around the weight of a Thunder 147 Team Standard which can already feel too light and dainty to get a solid pop. 344g for the 144 should be great, definitely picking up a pair when they go on sale.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on November 01, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
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Hell now I'm curious how bad the original ones were that any improvement is considered monumental. I would like to try a pair of the old Lows or ones with hex head.
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The lows in like 2000, with the infamous Mariano shape and spitfire 49s
One of my fave setups all time

(https://i.ibb.co/Ltcqjmx/96-F18295-88-A2-441-E-A18-B-5-AD6-D887-B861.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ltcqjmx)(https://i.ibb.co/Gf6wCvc/5-A2-BC00-E-4362-4665-8-BC7-480-A6-EA9-C2-A3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gf6wCvc)

Found these in my basement.  Somehow this set of Royals was only the skate equipment from when I was younger (other than an autographed Toy Machine deck from the 2001 Games in Philly) that survived my mom moving a few years back.

The kingpin clearance on these was hilarious.  The kingpin sticks out like a quarter inch above the surface of the hanger.  I don’t think they really turned (I also rode tight trucks back then) but I remember them having great pop and responsiveness for flip tricks.  Wish the new Royals brought back the painted Royal logo on the hanger.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
They’re doing it likely by using a shittier/lighter alloy. It doesn’t say which one they’re using but some of the lighter alloys have a rough casting finish and are usually strong, but brittle. Just like the alloy used on their trucks that had famously low durability. The baseplate doesn’t look very chunky so I bet there’s savings there. What’s weird to me is if they’re facing the end of the hangers why not do it like Ace so you don’t need a washer?

Also it sounds like the geo changed but they’re saying it’s the same? Turn sounds pretty good, which isn’t how Royals used to be.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2021, 07:07:37 PM
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Sweet Urgh 52mm

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Mine was the same, nut fits in there perfectly and doesn’t spin, probably designed that way so they use the same base for both standard and down low kingpins.
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338g for the 139 is right around the weight of a Thunder 147 Team Standard which can already feel too light and dainty to get a solid pop. 344g for the 144 should be great, definitely picking up a pair when they go on sale.

Hold on, you think 6 grams makes a huge difference in pop feel on a board that weighs several thousands? Makes no sense.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 01, 2021, 07:27:13 PM
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Sweet Urgh 52mm

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Mine was the same, nut fits in there perfectly and doesn’t spin, probably designed that way so they use the same base for both standard and down low kingpins.
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338g for the 139 is right around the weight of a Thunder 147 Team Standard which can already feel too light and dainty to get a solid pop. 344g for the 144 should be great, definitely picking up a pair when they go on sale.
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Hold on, you think 6 grams makes a huge difference in pop feel on a board that weighs several thousands? Makes no sense.

I've (mostly) committed the 5.2 trucks weight to memory for the major brands, so I use that as a guide for where a truck is light or heavy. Thunder is light (around 340g), Venture is medium (around 360g), Indy is heavy (around 380g), with hollow kingpin / axle reducing 20g each.

And I was saying that 344g (right around a Venture 5.6 V-Light) would be a good weight for a 8.25 deck for me personally. Should have prefaced that statement.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2021, 07:50:56 PM
You also said 6g lighter was too light. Venture cast are 380-390, Indy forged are 340-350, so there are options in every brand that end up near your sweet spot. Plus pop feel is more than weight.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Shuh on November 01, 2021, 08:18:12 PM
On a side note i was Dming Vincent  Alvarez about his setup, i mentioned this thread he assumed we were talking shit about the new royals. I said it was basically the opposite he was hyped.

Oh and he rides the new Royals Loose and puts 53mm wheels.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: munchbox on November 02, 2021, 04:30:22 AM
You also said 6g lighter was too light. Venture cast are 380-390, Indy forged are 340-350, so there are options in every brand that end up near your sweet spot. Plus pop feel is more than weight.
venture casts range from 350g-370g and only get near 380 for 5.8/6.1

do agree with you on the pop feel
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on November 02, 2021, 06:50:32 AM
I can't believe royals are looking to be the truck that cures slaps truck madness. I'm probably gonna get a pair of inverted ones and do the krux conversion if it's dead simple given the baseplate design. I still can't believe tensor of all brands nailed high trucks, and now royal might be the one's to nail low trucks lmao
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: fredgallSOTY on November 02, 2021, 07:09:30 AM
harnessing the power of sacred geometry to scrape a crooked grind on a calf high ledge
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 02, 2021, 07:52:13 AM
So pals far smarter than me....

Given the wb on the these... What wheelbase deck would these really shine on?

Or are they like independents that feel good on everything pretty much.

I only skate 14-14.25 wb decks cos I ride ventures
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 02, 2021, 08:06:27 AM
I can't believe royals are looking to be the truck that cures slaps truck madness. I'm probably gonna get a pair of inverted ones and do the krux conversion if it's dead simple given the baseplate design. I still can't believe tensor of all brands nailed high trucks, and now royal might be the one's to nail low trucks lmao

There are a few posters who are stoked in this thread that are never cured. Your statement about Tensor couldn’t be more wrong as there’s like 2 people that are really devoted to them and everyone else has bent axles or been shipped the wrong trucks.

And Royals aren’t low.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on November 02, 2021, 08:40:09 AM
I shouldn’t have read this thread. It’s got my gear madness acting up.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 02, 2021, 08:48:23 AM
These trucks look like they have mad potential but my madness is mostly cured...

If I open the door to Royal I might be forcing myself down the rabbit-hole again...

Ace 44s to AF1 66s and Thunder 151s have me covered... don't they?

DON'T THEY????

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on November 02, 2021, 08:57:19 AM
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I can't believe royals are looking to be the truck that cures slaps truck madness. I'm probably gonna get a pair of inverted ones and do the krux conversion if it's dead simple given the baseplate design. I still can't believe tensor of all brands nailed high trucks, and now royal might be the one's to nail low trucks lmao
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There are a few posters who are stoked in this thread that are never cured. Your statement about Tensor couldn’t be more wrong as there’s like 2 people that are really devoted to them and everyone else has bent axles or been shipped the wrong trucks.

And Royals aren’t low.

Really? On the other weird truck thread I've seen it's been all love for tensor ATGs, but anecdotal ofc. I also love mine lol. Also, my man, you are being pedantic with the low thing imo. People are just excited to try something new, let people be hyped and find out for themselves if the trucks suck or not. You seem bitter at royal throughout the thread and I don't really get why?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Srt32srt on November 02, 2021, 09:02:25 AM
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Sweet Urgh 52mm

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Mine was the same, nut fits in there perfectly and doesn’t spin, probably designed that way so they use the same base for both standard and down low kingpins.
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338g for the 139 is right around the weight of a Thunder 147 Team Standard which can already feel too light and dainty to get a solid pop. 344g for the 144 should be great, definitely picking up a pair when they go on sale.
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Hold on, you think 6 grams makes a huge difference in pop feel on a board that weighs several thousands? Makes no sense.

6gs of weight savings is like having hollow kingpins instead of solid king pins. they need to start using magnesium. i love how smooth tensors mag lights grind and the weight savings is alot more!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 02, 2021, 09:51:29 AM
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I can't believe royals are looking to be the truck that cures slaps truck madness. I'm probably gonna get a pair of inverted ones and do the krux conversion if it's dead simple given the baseplate design. I still can't believe tensor of all brands nailed high trucks, and now royal might be the one's to nail low trucks lmao
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There are a few posters who are stoked in this thread that are never cured. Your statement about Tensor couldn’t be more wrong as there’s like 2 people that are really devoted to them and everyone else has bent axles or been shipped the wrong trucks.

And Royals aren’t low.
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Really? On the other weird truck thread I've seen it's been all love for tensor ATGs, but anecdotal ofc. I also love mine lol. Also, my man, you are being pedantic with the low thing imo. People are just excited to try something new, let people be hyped and find out for themselves if the trucks suck or not. You seem bitter at royal throughout the thread and I don't really get why?

There’s only a handful of people in the weird truck thread, but 99% of posters are on one of the big 3 plus Ace.

I’m being pedantic because 52 is the height of many Thunders, which aren’t a low truck. I also hate the million clarification posts because people are hearing different terms thrown around about the same thing.

I’m not bitter, it would be good if the product didn’t suck as bad as those of old. At the same time Slap comes up first if you Google things about skating and best not to just add to misinformation. Most of my madness came from reading stuff on here that really was just justifying purchases and not anything super substantial.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2021, 10:32:49 AM
I'm a gearhead/nerd, my excitement for these (or any new truck) was same as it was for the indy mids (well an indy mid ti), Lurpiv and the upcoming Tensor redesign.

8.25/8.5 sizing (no 8.3s ML/ACE C)
Mid - 51-53mm (always been my preference)
Lightweight
Turns like an ACE/Indy/Theeve/ML
Good grind clearance
Doesn't stretch the wheelbase out too far
Doesn't have fucked QC (jury is out on the royals)
IKP (optional, I tinker with my shit so having this option is a bonus)

I don't care who makes it/what brand, and would been camp lurpiv if they weren't 55mm, I don't skate transition or big wheels enough to need a truck that tall.

Low means different things to different people; I consider low to be anything ~51mm, less than half the Thunder models can be 52mm. if you opt for team plates.

Standard 55
Mid 52-53
low 49-51

51 and 53.5 are sort nebulos neither a low or a mid. And no one makes a 54? Indy forged being the closest at 53.5.

If tensor ATGs were mids, I'd not skate anything else. They grind better than anything out there and I haven't bent any axles.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2021, 12:57:52 PM
Interesting that the IKP is an off/silver almost brass color (anyone remember what old kingpin metal used to look like?). Plenty of grind clearance.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/SnaRAF7PugdUEvF4cuqzSax9k4FZQ0D34vUGo009uNY8jIMOJZHhDxTROlWPRvSz5zd7JdpDx7AdXiPesrbqHbaf24W6oIiYtetMPkSki1_fLTEB548GVofKag7sH9dpUC_h4cFhOWI=w2400)

Bushing quality seems up to snuff, no rough cuts or bubbles. Top washer doesn't bind when the truck is compressed (it's a larger bigger/flatter top washer tho 'less cupped' like Thunders and less form fitting like Indy or ACE. I'm going flat washers anyway as usual.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_AyxcT0AFuQWCa8KMBPWq4oDdYAOy4oZ0E1a-ZZ3hhoGCXiHn74b7pkf_r1bQItb_OH3M4U1mEZsCWEIoQ6MeHwhu8xWgFIfaaw97-vs8PkyrWsQNMPGtxGhiAfAt1k6k0AkSSCC9fs=w2400)


Well, well well, what do we have here, no need for epoxy:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/G1PMxc_OmltvHa5zaPnpCyNb684NeP40yivOkIWvmCTECs52H7ku5w_XeEsMA3TUakUabb-W46uF4dPbAxTrQr9X4xcXuUcCfDaQWt4RsPxajMIzSmPdP-tNzkGjz7BHA2Z7pPA9lCg=w2400)


Hand poured BABY! Following in ACE's groove
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZHTAHTuD7edwWh3_ClJ3Swvk5dM-fq_SaVeBu0YJQ9pK2pIPlAjK4OlDKlkCyfoonxpUPDp08uAIw8O_MkDR2-EK2dkrt-OPxCyuaYFVqjwvQNm6k8uiniZ7fs86YDRkuVmsKaEGmbE=w2400)

Indy/Royal/[old] Krux downlow. Just a hair shorter than the Indy, roughly the same height as the krux, LOTS more thread...weird
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/TjUG0Nb2UuzXL0KSHoou_y4Jw4jUEZHvRe20MiXnpWi_Bc6zjTj4rg7enD1hs6E0hrAbWO-Livwk9Qk5NMMx6Qn5R3JDMcKHhDw6cEAF9TL5t7eWrQa_nYnJZyD7ErqC-v2f81vhxF0=w2400)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on November 02, 2021, 01:24:47 PM
Damn, didn’t expect that.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2021, 01:28:06 PM
Damn, didn’t expect that.

Me either! Pleasantly surprised tho.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: logjammin on November 02, 2021, 02:20:04 PM
Looks like they're just getting their pivot cups from the same supplier as Ace in regards to the AF1's? That one also looks kinda fuckey, no? Venture hi's offer the same kingpin clearance stock and these probably turn about the same...not trying to be a hater but idk if these are it ya'll.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 02, 2021, 02:35:04 PM
That pivot cup looks like shit. Also, seems like there isn’t nearly as much material above the axle compared to other brands from a quick Google Image comparison. Casting looks pretty rough.

I don’t get why you’d switch to a flat washer without riding them as they came since the washer is almost flat anyways.

One big question is about the kingpin nut. If it’s floating in the hanger like that and the bushings compress under impact then it has the potential to move and create stress. It makes sense to always have it pressed, glued, cast, or held in in some manner.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: munchbox on November 02, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
not really sure whos market share they are after
seem like middle ground everywhere
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 02, 2021, 02:43:34 PM
Its 2021 and the royal thread is popping on SLAP. What timeline is this?

Also, pretty cool for all you ikp guys that the baseplate fits a nut nice and snug.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on November 02, 2021, 02:58:34 PM
Its 2021 and the royal thread is popping on SLAP. What timeline is this?

Also, pretty cool for all you ikp guys that the baseplate fits a nut nice and snug.

one could blame the lateness of the lurpiv deliveries
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 02, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
not really sure whos market share they are after
seem like middle ground everywhere

The only remaining niche where truck madness can progress is in the indistinct negative space left by the other truck companies.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2021, 03:10:41 PM
That pivot cup looks like shit. Also, seems like there isn’t nearly as much material above the axle compared to other brands from a quick Google Image comparison. Casting looks pretty rough.

I don’t get why you’d switch to a flat washer without riding them as they came since the washer is almost flat anyways.

One big question is about the kingpin nut. If it’s floating in the hanger like that and the bushings compress under impact then it has the potential to move and create stress. It makes sense to always have it pressed, glued, cast, or held in in some manner.

Yeah, questionable pivot cup for sure, the other one is fine, we'll see if they blow out after skating.  I've shit stock thunder, indy and ventures too, but this 'hand poured' shit is leading to slome sloppy work regardless of brand.

Don't give a shit about casting, I won't be looking at them. However, they are 'rougher', I am not sure what it all entails but looking at other truck finishes, they just don't looked 'polished' or smoothed out (like Thunders or ventures are). Again, not concerned about it since they're for grinding...as long as the rough casting doesn't mean weaker material.

Plenty of clearance. Less hanger meat than Indy TI hangers but not by much, maybe 1/2mm, more than my ventures 5.6s (never ridden) and about the same as my thunder 147s (never grinded) and skated tensors (least ridden pair) - all new hangers except the indys/tensors mind you but they are my least used indy hangers. I can assure you as I am not looking at shitty angled google images, but the actual trucks. The stock inverted pin, flush nut sits below the visible axle through the slot on the hanger (meaning there is a tiny bit more axle, just like every truck out there, above the hanger metal). But they are in no way less metal than everything out there.

Venture 5.6 | Royal (royal clearly has more meat)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f_0NVy2VzWSy0sMej-g8h_xXgARw3dKqQWaDgoih7odR4oiZNnuNAluxLb5C0JKiSOoFueMwimRUqLbcdy9Wyzt-Vnr26kvK0N9nHMxZx0aZKCyrbVe3wHH1DJn5CwZHURNjXuZ5Wyk=w2400)

Much like you prefer to constantly shit on these trucks (coming from a what appears to be a typical ride the best, fuck the rest rider mentality - mid rider at that - that's expected tho), and thread, without even trying them, I always prefer a flat washer; I ride very loose and prefer to not have my bushings bind/get chewed into the stock cup washers, happens every time. It's like running without washers but a tad more stable and without the mush factor. Also, I always try things stock before I switch shit out, nowhere did I say I was swapping anything before riding them. You know what they say about when you assume.

As for the nut floating in the plate, it isn't, it's glued/attached, fucking welded for all I know, to the nutshaft...it doesn't fall out if you remove the kingpin, it stays in the plate just like the indy IKP.

Stop trying to look for some flaw to hang your fucking hat on, only makes you look worse. They're not for you, move on.

Setting them up now, skating later; here's hoping they don't suck and turn better than Ventures (which is what I get a gut fleeing they're going to feel like).



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Its 2021 and the royal thread is popping on SLAP. What timeline is this?

Also, pretty cool for all you ikp guys that the baseplate fits a nut nice and snug.
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one could blame the lateness of the lurpiv deliveries

Not for those that don't want a 55mm truck.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 02, 2021, 03:29:50 PM
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Its 2021 and the royal thread is popping on SLAP. What timeline is this?

Also, pretty cool for all you ikp guys that the baseplate fits a nut nice and snug.
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one could blame the lateness of the lurpiv deliveries

Stop patronizing me! Haha. But I seriously doubt there's much overlap if any from lurpiv to royal folks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 02, 2021, 04:10:40 PM
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That pivot cup looks like shit. Also, seems like there isn’t nearly as much material above the axle compared to other brands from a quick Google Image comparison. Casting looks pretty rough.

I don’t get why you’d switch to a flat washer without riding them as they came since the washer is almost flat anyways.

One big question is about the kingpin nut. If it’s floating in the hanger like that and the bushings compress under impact then it has the potential to move and create stress. It makes sense to always have it pressed, glued, cast, or held in in some manner.
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Yeah, questionable pivot cup for sure, the other one is fine, we'll see if they blow out after skating.  I've shit stock thunder, indy and ventures too, but this 'hand poured' shit is leading to slome sloppy work regardless of brand.

Don't give a shit about casting, I won't be looking at them. However, they are 'rougher', I am not sure what it all entails but looking at other truck finishes, they just don't looked 'polished' or smoothed out (like Thunders or ventures are). Again, not concerned about it since they're for grinding...as long as the rough casting doesn't mean weaker material.

Plenty of clearance. Less hanger meat than Indy TI hangers but not by much, maybe 1/2mm, more than my ventures 5.6s (never ridden) and about the same as my thunder 147s (never grinded) and skated tensors (least ridden pair) - all new hangers except the indys/tensors mind you but they are my least used indy hangers. I can assure you as I am not looking at shitty angled google images, but the actual trucks. The stock inverted pin, flush nut sits below the visible axle through the slot on the hanger (meaning there is a tiny bit more axle, just like every truck out there, above the hanger metal). But they are in no way less metal than everything out there.

Venture 5.6 | Royal (royal clearly has more meat)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f_0NVy2VzWSy0sMej-g8h_xXgARw3dKqQWaDgoih7odR4oiZNnuNAluxLb5C0JKiSOoFueMwimRUqLbcdy9Wyzt-Vnr26kvK0N9nHMxZx0aZKCyrbVe3wHH1DJn5CwZHURNjXuZ5Wyk=w2400)

Much like you prefer to constantly shit on these trucks (coming from a what appears to be a typical Indy rider - mid rider at that - that's expected tho), and thread, without even trying them, I always prefer a flat washer; I ride very loose and prefer to not have my bushings bind/get chewed into the stock cup washers, happens every time. It's like running without washers but a tad more stable and without the mush factor. Also, I always try things stock before I switch shit out, nowhere did I say I was swapping anything before riding them. You know what they say about when you assume.

As for the nut floating in the plate, it isn't, it's glued/attached, fucking welded for all I know, to the nutshaft...it doesn't fall out if you remove the kingpin, it stays in the plate just like the indy IKP.

Setting them up now, skating later; here's hoping they don't suck and turn better than Ventures (which is what I get a gut fleeing they're going to feel like).

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Its 2021 and the royal thread is popping on SLAP. What timeline is this?

Also, pretty cool for all you ikp guys that the baseplate fits a nut nice and snug.
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one could blame the lateness of the lurpiv deliveries
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Not for those that don't want a 55mm truck.

I'm looking at Ventures sitting here and they have way more meat than your pics so maybe it's angle.

I've ridden Venture and Thunder for long periods as well, both are great trucks and have a market need even if they don't fill my current preferences. Even the trucks I currently like have issues, but these 3 brands at least have design and QC under control, which Royal historically has not.

I'm guessing you dismissed Mids because of the weight much like I did, but then I actually rode them and ate my words and really like them. I don't think my preference has anything to do with the flaws about these trucks that I am raising.

Also, there are some worries looking at how they are made: the rough casting implies a cheaper alloy that uses a lot of more brittle materials as well as poor molds. Not every opinion of something new has to be positive. Let's be real- these are discount Thunders primarily used by Crail guys as part of a sponsor package deal, but if they work great then it's good for everyone.

If the nut isn't pressed or fixed and is relying on tension from the KP thread that is quite a poor design. Hopefully it doesn't lead to baseplate and kingpin issues. It seems like something that could easily wear away the metal and come loose over time.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on November 02, 2021, 05:42:54 PM
My guy ^^^ you seem to have a big negative bias towards royal. I don't get why though, there's some valid criticism in there but it's hampered by that bias. If it's shit people will find out and that'll be the end of it no?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
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That pivot cup looks like shit. Also, seems like there isn’t nearly as much material above the axle compared to other brands from a quick Google Image comparison. Casting looks pretty rough.

I don’t get why you’d switch to a flat washer without riding them as they came since the washer is almost flat anyways.

One big question is about the kingpin nut. If it’s floating in the hanger like that and the bushings compress under impact then it has the potential to move and create stress. It makes sense to always have it pressed, glued, cast, or held in in some manner.
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Yeah, questionable pivot cup for sure, the other one is fine, we'll see if they blow out after skating.  I've shit stock thunder, indy and ventures too, but this 'hand poured' shit is leading to slome sloppy work regardless of brand.

Don't give a shit about casting, I won't be looking at them. However, they are 'rougher', I am not sure what it all entails but looking at other truck finishes, they just don't looked 'polished' or smoothed out (like Thunders or ventures are). Again, not concerned about it since they're for grinding...as long as the rough casting doesn't mean weaker material.

Plenty of clearance. Less hanger meat than Indy TI hangers but not by much, maybe 1/2mm, more than my ventures 5.6s (never ridden) and about the same as my thunder 147s (never grinded) and skated tensors (least ridden pair) - all new hangers except the indys/tensors mind you but they are my least used indy hangers. I can assure you as I am not looking at shitty angled google images, but the actual trucks. The stock inverted pin, flush nut sits below the visible axle through the slot on the hanger (meaning there is a tiny bit more axle, just like every truck out there, above the hanger metal). But they are in no way less metal than everything out there.

Venture 5.6 | Royal (royal clearly has more meat)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f_0NVy2VzWSy0sMej-g8h_xXgARw3dKqQWaDgoih7odR4oiZNnuNAluxLb5C0JKiSOoFueMwimRUqLbcdy9Wyzt-Vnr26kvK0N9nHMxZx0aZKCyrbVe3wHH1DJn5CwZHURNjXuZ5Wyk=w2400)

Much like you prefer to constantly shit on these trucks (coming from a what appears to be a typical Indy rider - mid rider at that - that's expected tho), and thread, without even trying them, I always prefer a flat washer; I ride very loose and prefer to not have my bushings bind/get chewed into the stock cup washers, happens every time. It's like running without washers but a tad more stable and without the mush factor. Also, I always try things stock before I switch shit out, nowhere did I say I was swapping anything before riding them. You know what they say about when you assume.

As for the nut floating in the plate, it isn't, it's glued/attached, fucking welded for all I know, to the nutshaft...it doesn't fall out if you remove the kingpin, it stays in the plate just like the indy IKP.

Setting them up now, skating later; here's hoping they don't suck and turn better than Ventures (which is what I get a gut fleeing they're going to feel like).

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Its 2021 and the royal thread is popping on SLAP. What timeline is this?

Also, pretty cool for all you ikp guys that the baseplate fits a nut nice and snug.
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one could blame the lateness of the lurpiv deliveries
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Not for those that don't want a 55mm truck.
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I'm looking at Ventures sitting here and they have way more meat than your pics so maybe it's angle.

My pic comparison clearly shows more meat on the royal. Casting tolerances who knows. I'm going off what I see.

I've ridden Venture and Thunder for long periods as well, both are great trucks and have a market need even if they don't fill my current preferences. Even the trucks I currently like have issues, but these 3 brands at least have design and QC under control, which Royal historically has not.

I've ridden: Indy (since Stage III), Thunder since Stage I, Venture since Stage 1 (do they have stages?), Gullwing, Tracker, GK, Tensor (both sliders and ATG), Mini Logo, ACE (all stages), Theeve, Krux, blah, blah... but never the old royals because of the issues people had or cited and the rep was they were trash.

But these days, each one fills a need for someone (carve/stability/pinch/grind), and as someone who likes ML trucks because they work as intended, and have good QC (but too low for me and fuck risers), I am willing to give Royal a shot; you on the other hand, come across like you want them to fail 'just because'.

I'm guessing you dismissed Mids because of the weight much like I did, but then I actually rode them and ate my words and really like them. I don't think my preference has anything to do with the flaws about these trucks that I am raising.

Weight and crappy IKP clearance. I didn't feel they offered enough for me to accept the weight (I'm a bitch that way) over say, a forged hollow or ti (1.5mm isn't going to make or break anything for me).

It's not your preference, but your overall attitude, dude. You're casting judgement without first hand experience/judging a book by it's cover and making assumptions to find a flaw: they're probably brittle/rough casting, the nut is going to fall out, not enough meat on the hanger (proved you dead wrong with my pic). I'm not saying anything you brought up isn't true or couldn't be true, but it hasn't been proven and you come across like a forum troll, plain and simple.

Literally one person on this board has skated them, that being @144p (I have rolled around on mine but have not put them through their paces yet so I am refraining from making any knee-jerk reaction posts, but I will say it's trending positive based on how they feel out of the gate); and as far as I know there is nothing on the web from any early reviews.

Also, there are some worries looking at how they are made: the rough casting implies a cheaper alloy that uses a lot of more brittle materials as well as poor molds. Not every opinion of something new has to be positive. Let's be real- these are discount Thunders primarily used by Crail guys as part of a sponsor package deal, but if they work great then it's good for everyone.

I'm not a metallurgist, but if they are weak, then they are, they break are shit and we move on, right? Now looking at 'polished' trucks, like Thunder, clearly they polish them (or powdercoat them), to get rid of the raw casting/flaws right? I've got thunders on hand that have some pitted spots but that's only where the polishing isn't; sure they are nice and shiny but so what? Either crail said fuck it to keep costs down, or they are shit, to keep costs down.

If they are part of a sponsor package, the IKP seem like a lot of hassle to go through, to me anyway. Why even bother with a 'redesign'? Who are they selling too? Did they just have some extra metal around? They needed something to sell with crail completes? Perhaps it's a real effort to make a decent truck? I look forward to your Lurpiv opinions.

Using ML as a reference, if Royal managed to make something good, with [TBD] good quality control, great. You're bashing them before even trying them first hand...picking shit apart based on pictures...and again, you said yourself it's your opinion: an uneducated armchair one at that. Because you haven't skated them. I'm also not discrediting your comments on casting because it checks out but yet to be proven here.

The same can be said about the old tensor vs new, they are night and day, and arguably on par (regs, not mags that some people bend axles with) with the QC of all the rest, if not better. Fuck, ACE can't even get their shit together...after 10+ years. People won't skate ML because 'ML' yet they have never failed me, nor do you see any QC issues outhere there (which could be because no one skates them ;) but they can hold their own against any of the big boys. Like Royal, they are low wide and light, something missing in the Indy/Ace camp (Thunder/venture being the other).

If the nut isn't pressed or fixed and is relying on tension from the KP thread that is quite a poor design. Hopefully it doesn't lead to baseplate and kingpin issues. It seems like something that could easily wear away the metal and come loose over time.

No idea, I was hoping for a fixed hex hole like the Indy or film plates, that's piece of mind to me. As it is, I have no idea (and we never will unless someone cuts this fucker open) how they have it attached, but from just looking at them, I can't visibly see a 'seam' to where a standalone nut would meet the plug in the plate, it actually looks like a solid milled piece, this is the best I can get right now:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U7rpgBebEkSyRtToKzc2fuUmf44L6ZVs2zQwc-A-Nmc-sZ3joH-9O4hPtNLu73uDFNr37x9WYHXg3nrakRSB3nw2GqBEm4bcl0Ardv2LahcGkVtDcLjnnsf_WOD5iiL8ClMvYqy7AWg=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PXFJJM4lEqUGJvgML8gMVAY2edTq3T9s24SpmKr-kqQS5YwPPE7T3vTxP-E9KkNGBgLLcil4Rgx3vf2oZK5m_Yd1VHb4k5XndsdK4zUz_gb1aNRZMCA4KUULUbzNyEkhpgu-_2KktjI=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dS_QBwFXupNv169OdX_47q0cx0emUz5n957WZcPgw8wlx0niz2mfIZ90WkryQUK75o5Wu1k8mLQ6raQyUpvdtOwnSkhCiLwszem0vIw7vpCXFqX1Er1GC34VWsUgvgWkTRopeXbNRXM=w2400)

I honestly can't see a seam (pics don't do it justice), it just looks like one straight piece right up to the nylock.

I'm curious of the extra threading and if it might cause snappage, even tho it's threaded all the way/deep unlike Indy or Krux pins...what I do like about this amount of threading is I know it's still 'in there' even if I were to back out of the nylon of the nut, sure it would come way loose and probably snap off, but I don't feel like it would just fall out (I always have this fear since I ride loose, and have had it happen once with krux pins)...part of the IKP-life I guess.

To be clear, I am not saying they are best fucking thing out there, or better than XXX brand, or anything, because I haven't put them through the ringer yet. They could suck/break in the first week, baseplates could snap on the first slappy (tho they lasted through a few under 144p) I have no idea, and neither do you.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 02, 2021, 07:50:48 PM
Thanks for the pics @Xen, and the 5.6 TI from months ago.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 02, 2021, 07:54:01 PM
My guy ^^^ you seem to have a big negative bias towards royal. I don't get why though, there's some valid criticism in there but it's hampered by that bias. If it's shit people will find out and that'll be the end of it no?

I really don’t, these just don’t look well made.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2021, 08:02:07 PM
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My guy ^^^ you seem to have a big negative bias towards royal. I don't get why though, there's some valid criticism in there but it's hampered by that bias. If it's shit people will find out and that'll be the end of it no?
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I really don’t, these just don’t look well made.

But you do.

Having held them in my hand, I can tell you they feel (and look) better made than the ML trucks, hell even some thunders/ventures models for that matter. Come to think of it the only truck out there with a finish that looks well made, out of the box, are Tensor mags, everything else looks cheap and rough. You seme really hung up on the casting look of these...if they were polished....

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7jMLkuq6ZUK7z2BFt4FOfRDVZoR9Z5GMfsU6YmAmeGF8mdAuZ5Q9MRZo9j1sOwLVnSLSqTonhuH8-hc997GIohlsaByiPejbD9zwS15Nf426IJZRrU6gTTdGZKEydqQi0e_1zidKmQ=w2400)

Thanks for the pics @Xen, and the 5.6 TI from months ago.

Just trying to help those interested in trying out new shit.

Glad you are enjoying them, wish they had worked for me (I'm too sloppy/sketchy and ventures fight me).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 02, 2021, 08:23:04 PM
I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on November 02, 2021, 08:30:29 PM
I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2021, 09:05:46 PM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this

I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on November 02, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
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I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on November 02, 2021, 09:27:23 PM
oh shit Xen that was your reply. oops. sorry i was so fixated in lewbowski’s super mega big brain in comparison to our non apprentice brains :(
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on November 02, 2021, 09:30:48 PM
GUYS 😳😳😳😳☝️☝️☝️ Lebowski 😵‍💫😵‍💫 knows about forgery and metal casting ⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️ because he did an apprenticeship 😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on November 02, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Hey Lebowski i hope the new Royal’s are actually really good and monopolize the truck industry just so we can see how you’ll respond. thats a pipe dream but something more realistic would be if the new Royal’s are actually decent and perform somewhat well in key areas. and i’m sure the guys at Royal at the very least improved a little bit. and with that little bit of hypothetical improvement is all the leverage we need to shove it back down your throat. someone please skate these trucks already and leave a review
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on November 03, 2021, 12:00:58 AM
Hey Lebowski i hope the new Royal’s are actually really good and monopolize the truck industry just so we can see how you’ll respond. thats a pipe dream but something more realistic would be if the new Royal’s are actually decent and perform somewhat well in key areas. and i’m sure the guys at Royal at the very least improved a little bit. and with that little bit of hypothetical improvement is all the leverage we need to shove it back down your throat. someone please skate these trucks already and leave a review

Oath
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on November 03, 2021, 05:20:50 AM
Not gonna get them (probably), but I'd be interested if anybody measured the wheelbase yet?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on November 03, 2021, 06:35:10 AM
Not gonna get them (probably), but I'd be interested if anybody measured the wheelbase yet?

Person earlier in the thread had them at +3.125"
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: layzieyez on November 03, 2021, 06:57:33 AM
Thanks @Xen and @144p for your input. I might be buying these soon thanks to your help. Really happy that they proved to be worth riding.

Considering AF1 aces ended up being somewhat of a dud (compared to the classics) from the opinions here, it would be funny if these were actually good.

I'd try them if they're as inexpensive as their other trucks ($35ish).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 03, 2021, 07:14:25 AM
If someone sends me some Royals I will ride them and likely like some things about them and not others. Such is the way of the madness.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: ok boomer on November 03, 2021, 09:39:52 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/9WkrK9b/lorde2.gif) (https://ibb.co/CQ3HC5b)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: lemonchicken91 on November 03, 2021, 09:49:03 AM
they definitely aint no Calibers  ;)I say we take them to the pit and have a day of reckoning
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 04, 2021, 12:00:11 PM
Fuck it. As soon as these are available in Europe im getting a pair and a girl deck for nostalgia sake.

What wheelbase would pair best I wonder ?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on November 04, 2021, 06:41:07 PM
Height and angle vs Ace Classic ( 38 specials) & Indy

Pic 1 Royal-> Indy
Pic 2 Indy -> Ace
Pic 3 Royal -> Ace
Pic 4 Royal -> Indy
Pic 5 Royal -> Ace

(https://i.ibb.co/y8GzhY2/3-AF4-C3-B1-ACF2-47-E9-8602-ED606-B359280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q6zW8C0)
(https://i.ibb.co/S5XHVSQ/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gmMQtYv)
(https://i.ibb.co/7prpvLF/167426-DE-BE6-A-4984-9-D30-956-CC0-DD8-EBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B6T6LFR)
(https://i.ibb.co/0YPZ6V8/A3530948-E6-C6-4289-984-F-156580233668.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CVxvYsN)
(https://i.ibb.co/QMKPStf/4-EC1-CF01-C3-C3-463-F-A667-36-A7-F9-BB5-E1-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w4zSGjR)
pic gif (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 04, 2021, 07:34:01 PM
Haters gonna hate. Neg away.

The Royals are definitely in the ACE/Indy/ML/Tensor/Theeve camp with a carvey feel; faster/twitchier than indy (but as smooth) but not as sharp as ACE (but damn close). They feel like theeve to me but a tad less stable when stock/loose. Carvey, but with a bit of twitch, very predictable. What really shines is how smooth they feel when you need to set up, they're not slow or jerky or twitchy, in a way they feel like ACE in that regard, when you are used to them and need to change on a dime so to speak, you have your long arc to get in line, then that little 'check', very responsive. 

Stock/nut flush They skate very loose, ACE loose (I've since tightened a full turn) but not floopy, as the bushing are pretty fucking great, lots of rebound (and my wonky pivot cup, which I rotated to have the divot on the bottom) is fine after multiple sessions. I could wheelbite standing on a carpet with very little effort (183lbs today); skating them I wasn't getting much to any wheelbite (especially on the front). 52mm trucks, 52mm wheels...doing the same shit I always do and I wasn't biting on my flatland. I'm quite surprised as I was honestly setting my expectations to venture level of turning/thunder wheelbite territory (not bashing). Most of my wheelbites were from front slappies gone wrong and shitty fakie f/s big spins (I usually pinch when I land with my front heel). I could also chalk this up to me skating more over the past month than usual.

Like Tensors and ACE, when really loose, you have to sort of balance to get that stability going, so much that you can feel when you hit it (unlike Indy to me). Tightening them up just a bit fixed it without compromising anything. I suspect I'll need to tighten more as the bushings break in further; but a full turn tighter than stock after a day of skating and they're [pretty] sweet.

pop
Thunder-ish. I skated them on both a 14.25" and 14.375" WB, they felt fine on either; I chalk that up to my preference of a mid truck pop, regardless of wheel base. But, they are also light (149s on an 8.375x32x14.375WB" and 8.25x31.875x14.25"WB) in weight and pop feel. Zero adjustment (but then, I've been skating indy, thunder and tensor over the last three weeks, a week each, so I might just be used to variety). They felt best to me (like indy and ace do) on a longer wheelbase, but that's just my stance/preference where I feel the most comfortable.

grind
They do. They don't feel soft (classics) or hard (venture). Faster than Venture, slower than ATG maglites. Close to Indy/Thunder? They're still too new, so for now they grind just fine/as you expect them too, I never felt like the truck was causing shorter or longer grinds just my speed); Sound-wise, they remind me of thunder teams.

Edit: pinch
Better than Indy and Tensor (quicker due to height) on par/close to thunder, I was able to sit fully upright on them no problems (literally my second grind on them)

Transition
Big surprise here, no issues in my thunder pitch zones/pockets. They're pretty predictable and worked when I wanted them too, obviously as a mid, you gotta choose your wheels wisley based on how loose you skate. I don't think they'll replace indy (slow) or ACE (fast) for anyone, just saying...ACE classics own the roundwalls.

This shouldn't be taken as a hype-train post, but I'm fickle and I really couldn't find anything to dislike about them (I always look for something, right?). What's more impressive: I don't feel the need to change anything out, I am leaving them stock...and if you read any of my OCD shit posts, I change everything out...cups, mix/match bushing duros and shapes, shave them down, swap out washers and shit, bitch about wheelbase with this truck or that, but I'm leaving the royals stock as they feel great as is /shrug; Jury is still out on long-term durability obviously and the IKP isn't anything special as Indy and Krux have proven. For all I know I could have liked how the old royals skated but I can't speak to the 'sacred' geometry' as I never rode them.

I think is was @ok or @off  that said something like 'middle of the road everything' and I think that's a somewhat accurate, but not derogatory, statement. They are neither too light or too heavy, too low nor too high, not too loose, not too stable, not too carvey, not too twitchy, they just kind of work (much ML do but the royals are faster feeling). Now, if you are all in on Venture probably give'em a pass. If thunder is your jam but you get wheelbite/don't like the long wb (and I don't know what the royals do: stretch/pull), you might be pleasantly surprised as they kind off feel like what I wanted my thunders and indys to feel like, and by that I mean more like each other ;)

I'd sum them up as a Thindy (which is kind of what a Theeve was/is, poor theeve). How that's possible from crail/royal I don't know but they've got the carvey feel and just a hair of twitch to them as I stated above, like if you toned down the squirrly-ness of ACE but kept it faster than Indy. They're sleepers for sure. Also, they don't click, and have a very minimal squeak that I can only hear when stationary, can't hear them at all when skating (unlike my Tensors, good gods they're loud AF). Don't forget, they've got an 8.75" too.

Pics are from the first two sessions riding them (transition and curbs). I'm going to put some serious curb time on them this weekend. I had more adjustment time to the [one] new 8.3 deck, than I did to brand new [literally a brand that is new to me] trucks. The board I had my indys on I did a straight swap and was good to go except for how fast/loose and turny they were (149 indy ti had broken in bones meds).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tVc9ruEIlBUxEYHVZ5567yIZRN20sEAwDZ2gUQ-FhsiyqTuenAoDgz-NNIKV8eXTmDTulBZgCs4AiolDVjciXLnPTf8TYWuPIyFoc3r9WwoD-vUaspEJTeBCPUU1TCqlgfccLENouAQ=w2400)

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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 04, 2021, 08:50:08 PM
Haters gonna hate. Neg away.

The Royals are definitely in the ACE/Indy/ML/Tensor/Theeve camp with a carvey feel; faster/twitchier than indy (but as smooth) but not as sharp as ACE (but damn close). They feel like theeve to me but a tad less stable when stock/loose. Carvey, but with a bit of twitch, very predictable. What really shines is how smooth they feel when you need to set up, they're not slow or jerky or twitchy, in a way they feel like ACE in that regard, when you are used to them and need to change on a dime so to speak, you have your long arc to get in line, then that little 'check', very responsive. 

Stock/nut flush They skate very loose, ACE loose (I've since tightened a full turn) but not floopy, as the bushing are pretty fucking great, lots of rebound (and my wonky pivot cup, which I rotated to have the divot on the bottom) is fine after multiple sessions. I could wheelbite standing on a carpet with very little effort (183lbs today); skating them I wasn't getting much to any wheelbite (especially on the front). 52mm trucks, 52mm wheels...doing the same shit I always do and I wasn't biting on my flatland. I'm quite surprised as I was honestly setting my expectations to venture level of turning/thunder wheelbite territory (not bashing). Most of my wheelbites were from front slappies gone wrong and shitty fakie f/s big spins (I usually pinch when I land with my front heel). I could also chalk this up to me skating more over hte past month than usual.

Like Tensors and ACE, when really loose, you have to sort of balance to get that stability going, so much that you can feel when you hit it (unlike Indy to me). Tightening them up just a bit fixed it without compromising anything. I suspect I'll need to tighten more as the bushings break in further; but a full turn tighter than stock after a day of skating and they're [pretty] sweet.

pop
Thunder-ish. I skated them on both a 14.25" and 14.375" WB, they felt fine on either; I chalk that up to my preference of a mid truck pop, regardless of wheel base. But, they are also light (149s on an 8.375x32x14.375WB" and 8.25x31.875x14.25"WB) in weight and pop feel. Zero adjustment (but then, I've been skating indy, thunder and tensor over the last three weeks, a week each, so I might just be used to variety). They felt best to me (like indy and ace do) on a longer wheelbase, but that's just my stance/preference where I feel the most comfortable.

grind
They do. They don't feel soft (classics) or hard (venture). Faster than Venture, slower than ATG maglites. Close to Indy/Thunder? They're still too new, so for now they grind just fine/as you expect them too, I never felt like the truck was causing shorter or longer grinds just my speed); Sound-wise, they remind me of thunder teams.

Transition
Big surprise here, no issues in my thunder pitch zones/pockets. They're pretty predictable and worked when I wanted them too, obviously as a mid, you gotta choose your wheels wisley based on how loose you skate. I don't think they'll replace indy (slow) or ACE (fast) for anyone, just saying...ACE classics own the roundwalls.

This shouldn't be taken as a hype-train post, but I'm fickle and I really couldn't find anything to dislike about them (I always look for something, right?). What's more impressive: I don't feel the need to change anything out, I am leaving them stock...and if you read any of my OCD shit posts, I change everything out...cups, mix/match bushing duros and shapes, shave them down, swap out washers and shit, bitch about wheelbase with this truck or that, but I'm leaving the royals stock as they feel great as is /shrur; Jury is still out on long-term durability obviously and the IKP isn't anything special as Indy and Krux have proven. For all I know I could have liked how the old royals skated but I can't speak to the 'sacred' geometry' as I never rode them.

I think is was @ok or @off  that said something like 'middle of the road everything' and I think that's a somewhat accurate, but not derogatory, statement. They are neither too light or too heavy, too low nor too high, not too loose, not too stable, not too carvey, not too twitchy, they just kind of work (much ML do but the royals are faster feeling). Now, if you are all in on Venture probably give'em a pass. If thunder is your jam but you get wheelbite/don't like the long wb (and I don't know what the royals do: stretch/pull), you might be pleasantly surprised as they kind off feel like what I wanted my thunders and indys to feel like, and by that I mean more like each other ;)

I'd sum them up as a Thindy (which is kind of what a Theeve was/is, poor theeve). How that's possible from crail/royal I don't know but they've got the carvey feel and just a hair of twitch to them as I stated above, like if you toned down the squirrly-ness of ACE but kept it faster than Indy. They're sleepers for sure. Also, they don't click, and have a very minimal squeak that I can only hear when stationary, can't hear it all all when skating (unlike my Tensors, good gods they're loud AF). Don't forget, they've got an 8.75" too.

Pics are from the first two sessions riding them (transition and curbs). I'm going to put some serious curb time on them this weekend. I had more adjustment time to the [one] new 8.3 deck, than I did to brand new [literally a brand that is new to me] trucks. The board I had my indys on I did a straight swap and was good to go except for how fast/loose and turny they were (149 indy ti had broken in bones meds).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tVc9ruEIlBUxEYHVZ5567yIZRN20sEAwDZ2gUQ-FhsiyqTuenAoDgz-NNIKV8eXTmDTulBZgCs4AiolDVjciXLnPTf8TYWuPIyFoc3r9WwoD-vUaspEJTeBCPUU1TCqlgfccLENouAQ=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/obuVdikfrSF55FH_-nDmJMQoTgw8j-7ZMF8zOYZ5zMIOQsy3oPz9ELf42-l-v_wpEv6bWtLPOh-OyqJMVepKiQJ2148fTmHKj-v_yGMN4FuNN3QN0C3vtGRTeV4N7lpzRCH0cS3GMdE=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LD3iyjsc2BYqNGTGQSPJaTc4kuRvyRB55bAx5I45cPCKi5VTqk92Rw1d3VxzcxW5_xLzxTz-6SoQadg_3ZWVifuu5z-8wkWHw4yBu-TnNIcIe-B48g8m2OOQedUwCGhAW_N_VKQYNxI=w2400)

Solid review, and good photos @GumOnMyGrip

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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on November 04, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
Thanks for the review Xen! I’ll probably give these a shot next time I’m feeling an impulsive truck purchase
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 04, 2021, 09:51:36 PM
Interested to see how you feel about them with a consistent amount of time (a month or two straight like Ben Degros does) greater than a few days. Definitely sound like an improvement over the last ones in initial feel. By not imploding on the first few sessions they have AF1 beat.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Roisto on November 04, 2021, 09:59:40 PM
Height and angle vs Ace Classic ( 38 specials) & Indy

Pic 1 Royal-> Indy
Pic 2 Indy -> Ace
Pic 3 Royal -> Ace
Pic 4 Royal -> Indy
Pic 5 Royal -> Ace

(https://i.ibb.co/y8GzhY2/3-AF4-C3-B1-ACF2-47-E9-8602-ED606-B359280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q6zW8C0)
(https://i.ibb.co/S5XHVSQ/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gmMQtYv)
(https://i.ibb.co/7prpvLF/167426-DE-BE6-A-4984-9-D30-956-CC0-DD8-EBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B6T6LFR)
(https://i.ibb.co/0YPZ6V8/A3530948-E6-C6-4289-984-F-156580233668.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CVxvYsN)
(https://i.ibb.co/QMKPStf/4-EC1-CF01-C3-C3-463-F-A667-36-A7-F9-BB5-E1-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w4zSGjR)
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Are those the Indy mids as they’re lower than the Aces?  :o
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 05, 2021, 02:41:51 AM
Anyone seen these in Europe?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on November 05, 2021, 05:35:13 AM
That review really makes them sound pretty ideal to me. But after feeling burned by ace’s QC issues with the AF1. Im probably not gonna be rushing out for any truck for a bit. But they sound pretty fucking ideal.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: streetmeat on November 05, 2021, 05:47:33 AM


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I cannot un-see the McDonalds arches in the new logo
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fhk on November 05, 2021, 06:08:49 AM
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I cannot un-see the McDonalds arches in the new logo
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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 06:51:45 AM

Pic 5 Royal -> Ace

(https://i.ibb.co/QMKPStf/4-EC1-CF01-C3-C3-463-F-A667-36-A7-F9-BB5-E1-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w4zSGjR)

Great pics!

For as close to ventures as they appear (especially the angle and 'space' between plate and hanger, they skate completely different:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nDUzKl8IX5Q/T1OCu9U9YBI/AAAAAAAAAgY/wdcpL2_31JI/s1600/IMG_0688.JPG)

Interested to see how you feel about them with a consistent amount of time (a month or two straight like Ben Degros does) greater than a few days. Definitely sound like an improvement over the last ones in initial feel. By not imploding on the first few sessions they have AF1 beat.

Yep. Like any new truck, I assume the worst, especially cracked plates or pins. As I noted, they feel really good so I won't be swapping them out anytime soon. But I'm not Ben so don't expect a video. I will follow-up after periodically skating them.

That review really makes them sound pretty ideal to me. But after feeling burned by ace’s QC issues with the AF1. Im probably not gonna be rushing out for any truck for a bit. But they sound pretty fucking ideal.

Depending on what you're after, possibly. My Aces were borked out of the gate (in the first 30min) with faulting milling shredding my pivot cups. The royals, so far, have held up for a few days with no issues. I know Indy and ACE aren't hard to beat in terms of weight seeing as any standard truck out there pretty much does it, but I'm still impressed they were able to make such a light truck that skates like that category of truck


I cannot un-see the McDonalds arches in the new logo

Damnit, now I can't either and I am stuck with them given how I nose and tail slide (I don't slide on my plate, probably due to skating thunders for so long).

Thanks for the review Xen! I’ll probably give these a shot next time I’m feeling an impulsive truck purchase

Was riding indy 149/Tensor 8.5s but was looking going to buy some Thunder 149ti; impulse-purchased these instead.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on November 05, 2021, 07:15:40 AM
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Height and angle vs Ace Classic ( 38 specials) & Indy

Pic 1 Royal-> Indy
Pic 2 Indy -> Ace
Pic 3 Royal -> Ace
Pic 4 Royal -> Indy
Pic 5 Royal -> Ace

(https://i.ibb.co/y8GzhY2/3-AF4-C3-B1-ACF2-47-E9-8602-ED606-B359280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q6zW8C0)
(https://i.ibb.co/S5XHVSQ/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gmMQtYv)
(https://i.ibb.co/7prpvLF/167426-DE-BE6-A-4984-9-D30-956-CC0-DD8-EBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B6T6LFR)
(https://i.ibb.co/0YPZ6V8/A3530948-E6-C6-4289-984-F-156580233668.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CVxvYsN)
(https://i.ibb.co/QMKPStf/4-EC1-CF01-C3-C3-463-F-A667-36-A7-F9-BB5-E1-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w4zSGjR)
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Are those the Indy mids as they’re lower than the Aces?  :o

Even mids would almost be the same height as ace. What's going on here?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 07:23:14 AM
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Height and angle vs Ace Classic ( 38 specials) & Indy

Pic 1 Royal-> Indy
Pic 2 Indy -> Ace
Pic 3 Royal -> Ace
Pic 4 Royal -> Indy
Pic 5 Royal -> Ace

(https://i.ibb.co/7prpvLF/167426-DE-BE6-A-4984-9-D30-956-CC0-DD8-EBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B6T6LFR)
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Are those the Indy mids as they’re lower than the Aces?  :o
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Even mids would almost be the same height as ace. What's going on here?

Agree with that...hell ACE classics are 52mm (and so were the .38 specials) as well and the Royals appear much lower in these pics, like a 48-49mm. Pretty big drop and they certainly don't feel like a low/sub-52mm truck...as I was riding indy ti just hours before I skate them which should only be a 1.5mm difference.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 05, 2021, 08:45:18 AM
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Height and angle vs Ace Classic ( 38 specials) & Indy

Pic 1 Royal-> Indy
Pic 2 Indy -> Ace
Pic 3 Royal -> Ace
Pic 4 Royal -> Indy
Pic 5 Royal -> Ace

(https://i.ibb.co/7prpvLF/167426-DE-BE6-A-4984-9-D30-956-CC0-DD8-EBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B6T6LFR)
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Are those the Indy mids as they’re lower than the Aces?  :o
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Even mids would almost be the same height as ace. What's going on here?
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Agree with that...hell ACE classics are 52mm (and so were the .38 specials) as well and the Royals appear much lower in these pics, like a 48-49mm. Pretty big drop and they certainly don't feel like a low/sub-52mm truck...I as riding indy ti just hours before I skate them which should only be a 1.5mm difference.

Sounds about time to break out the digital calipers and get this properly measured.

Just swapped back from forged to cast plates on my Ventures and all I could think about was a sub 52mm truck that extended the wheelbase out less than a Venture Cast (+3.25"). Let's see what the black Friday sales bring.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 05, 2021, 08:52:55 AM
Weird, when I suggested using calipers to compare kingpin clearance I got hated on...

@RockLobster- Thunder forged will do just that for you especially if you ride 147s.

Also one thing I have noticed is that all these pics are from an angle. Sometimes with my iPhone it switches to a wider angle and distorts unless it is straight on. I think having the camera flat with the table surface would distort less. Those Aces do seem oddly high since the Indy's next to them are lower and they're not Mids.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 09:25:29 AM
Weird, when I suggested using calipers to compare kingpin clearance I got hated on...

@rocklobster- Thunder forged will do just that for you especially if you ride 147s.

Also one thing I have noticed is that all these pics are from an angle. Sometimes with my iPhone it switches to a wider angle and distorts unless it is straight on. I think having the camera flat with the table surface would distort less. Those Aces do seem oddly high since the Indy's next to them are lower and they're not Mids.

Not weird, you were coming across as a hater, so you got hated on bro.

Regardless, I agree with you on the ACE and Indy match up, that looks like a 2-3mm drop. That photo is suspect.

However, those Indys are cast, and not mids as there is no IKP, as standards, then any ACE would not be taller than a 55mm Indy standard (tallest ACE is what, 53 on the AF1s?) which they are in the photos; I'm thinking the .38 special hanger isn't sitting level.

I'm not taking mine apart but with the royals mounted, I put a stock bushing/washer cast IKP indy plate with 159 hollow hanger on the board flush/square against the royal plate, in the wheel base area and put a level on the axles (I know not caliper accurate) eyeballing only it's only a few mm difference as expected but nowhere near the level we're seeing in these pics; I then did the same thing with a forged indy plate, they are for sure within 1-2mm of the royals

Even his own side view of the royals and ACE the axles are much closer than they are than in the straight on view, by a lot
(https://i.ibb.co/7prpvLF/167426-DE-BE6-A-4984-9-D30-956-CC0-DD8-EBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B6T6LFR)

(https://i.ibb.co/QMKPStf/4-EC1-CF01-C3-C3-463-F-A667-36-A7-F9-BB5-E1-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w4zSGjR)

I'll say this, if they are lower than 52 MM, anyone who who skates a low truck or wants a wide low truck that turns, should fucking jump on them because they have better clearance, have less wheel bite and turn better than any low truck I've ever skated.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 05, 2021, 09:55:33 AM
You need to differentiate hate, objectivity, and subjectivity. In a lot of cases I was offering objective critiques and asking for actual measurements on kingpin claims. I believe Ben Degros overblew his reservations without anything to back it up as you don't see much kingpin grind wear in his video even. Weight and impact on pop feel are subjective of course, which is why I think it's often stupid when people use weight as a plus/minus. I found out the hard way I like a bit more heft, but I won't say light trucks are bad. Finally, my critiques on finish are pretty objective. I'm not a metallurgic specialist, but spent a while working on casting autoparts and even at one point tried to make my own truck hanger and that finish would be considered fairly poor relative to that experience. I still stand by that although it doesn't impact how they skate.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 10:51:27 AM
You need to differentiate hate, objectivity, and subjectivity. In a lot of cases I was offering objective critiques and asking for actual measurements on kingpin claims. I believe Ben Degros overblew his reservations without anything to back it up as you don't see much kingpin grind wear in his video even. Weight and impact on pop feel are subjective of course, which is why I think it's often stupid when people use weight as a plus/minus. I found out the hard way I like a bit more heft, but I won't say light trucks are bad. Finally, my critiques on finish are pretty objective. I'm not a metallurgic specialist, but spent a while working on casting autoparts and even at one point tried to make my own truck hanger and that finish would be considered fairly poor relative to that experience. I still stand by that although it doesn't impact how they skate.

My review/take on them is as objective as I could be based on skating them (kingpin nut didn't fallout, they didn't shatter because of casting, they turn, they grind...these are facts), without knowing how or why they were made...what sort of special casting they used, metal %s, etc., (we're all assuming they tried to make a good truck, right?).

My review is also based on me liking them after skating them (I like how they turn and how light they are, how they grind, etc.) this is, of course, is all subjective.

But nowhere in my take on them did I attempt to discredit them based on a picture for no reason.

Here's an idea, buy a fucking pair and come back to us.



Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 05, 2021, 11:28:56 AM
They won’t shatter if you didn’t do anything high impact and they aren’t worn. Any issues would develop over time. From your photo they look to have like half a session of wear if that.

Royals have a history of cracking and breaking so longevity is relevant they just never held up long term. If they nail that then they’re finally a B level threat to the big 3.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 05, 2021, 03:33:08 PM
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What happened to this thread?
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I’ve been following this fucking mess way too closely. Here’s what I can make of it.


al_cvbera, Fastplant87 and moonordie have similar writing styles and keep saying the same thing. They’re blatantly  the same person.  They made a joke so funny they shit  their own pants upon reading it and now they owe themselves new boxers. they proceeded to make their own comment their sig

Puffin is an unlikeable abrasive asshole. It seems he has experience working with bearings

To my limited knowledge Quantum Bearing Science is trying to ‘square peg round hole’ bulk ceramic bearings from Asia

The common consensus by those in the know- buy Swiss Six

Sorry, I can’t comment on bones place of origin
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you are a nut. idek where you got the idea that I or either one of those other accounts all belong to me or the same person but i can assure you my views are my own and my own only. idk about those other accounts you mentioned. you are blantantly one jump to conclusions ass mfer.

The common consensus by those in the know- get off my diackkkkkkkk

Ya I'm getting strong Xen-alt vibes from that guy
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on November 05, 2021, 03:49:52 PM
Weird, when I suggested using calipers to compare kingpin clearance I got hated on...

@RockLobster- Thunder forged will do just that for you especially if you ride 147s.

Also one thing I have noticed is that all these pics are from an angle. Sometimes with my iPhone it switches to a wider angle and distorts unless it is straight on. I think having the camera flat with the table surface would distort less. Those Aces do seem oddly high since the Indy's next to them are lower and they're not Mids.

There may be some distortion due to iPhones shitty camera. I’ll go back and measure if I can tonight.
I also just noticed that the Ace baseplate is actually warped. Maybe that contributed? That’s a first for me. I guess it is bent from ledge contact? It sure wasn’t run over by a car or anything.

As for the Royals- initial “subjective” feedback from a diehard Ace convert. I ride my hangers so loose they rattle, with Krux aftermarket bushings so I’m comparing to a very specific setup.

The Royals aren’t bad at all.

At first the turn felt real linear, like a Thunder or or tighter Indys. But they go deeper and surfier/ more carve if you push them. They do bottom out -I did get wheelbite but I had to turn pretty tight. That’s with 54mm wheels. It’s a pleasant turn. Not jerky and they feel like they track well.
They def feel like a mid or lower, the pop is quick compared to Ace. They gave me a lot more stability for ollie stuff than my loose Aces. One of my biggest complaints with Ace is the grind feel and hanger shape, especially on coping. The Royals feel sooo much better.
Interesting side note, the threading on the axle ends was tighter than any other truck I can remember. In a good way.
Time will tell as far as quality and if they will replace Aces for me but really good initial impression.
Better than the new Krux, which I couldn’t ever tell how hard they would turn. They would turn and then give out-Surprise wheelbite all the time.
At least as good as broken in Indys .
Don’t know about Thunder or Venture because I don’t go there…
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 04:08:49 PM
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What happened to this thread?
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I’ve been following this fucking mess way too closely. Here’s what I can make of it.


al_cvbera, Fastplant87 and moonordie have similar writing styles and keep saying the same thing. They’re blatantly  the same person.  They made a joke so funny they shit  their own pants upon reading it and now they owe themselves new boxers. they proceeded to make their own comment their sig

Puffin is an unlikeable abrasive asshole. It seems he has experience working with bearings

To my limited knowledge Quantum Bearing Science is trying to ‘square peg round hole’ bulk ceramic bearings from Asia

The common consensus by those in the know- buy Swiss Six

Sorry, I can’t comment on bones place of origin
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you are a nut. idek where you got the idea that I or either one of those other accounts all belong to me or the same person but i can assure you my views are my own and my own only. idk about those other accounts you mentioned. you are blantantly one jump to conclusions ass mfer.

The common consensus by those in the know- get off my diackkkkkkkk
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Ya I'm getting strong Xen-alt vibes from that guy

It's not me, dead serious. I'd call him out for being a little cunt to his face, either via post or DM, if I felt so inclined. As it is, I haven't felt the need to drop that low.

EDIT: Correction, please see below! =)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 04:36:50 PM
They won’t shatter if you didn’t do anything high impact and they aren’t worn. Any issues would develop over time. From your photo they look to have like half a session of wear if that.

Royals have a history of cracking and breaking so longevity is relevant they just never held up long term. If they nail that then they’re finally a B level threat to the big 3.

Thanks for repeating what I already said in my review about durability. Three sessions, actually. Once again, you fail to impress by your inaccurate assumptions in your statements based on visual inspection of truck pictures alone. Do tell me how ollieing, manuals, or flat land would would affect the visual appearance.

You'll note the three people who have actually ridden them and bothered to post in this thread, and be helpful, like them, and I am sure someone will try them and won't like them. I think I'm onto you now, your shitheel posts only go to me.

No one cares if they are a threat or not to any other truck but you? This conversation is about if they are good or not solely based on skating them...not hoping they will overturn the truck industry.

I'll say it again, go buy a pair, skate them and report back, otherwise you have nothing to offer other than being a little cunt that wants to argue at every turn. So, you get an ignore, you are just so, tiring...and thanks for the negs, right back at ya!

(Disclaimer: actual account, no need to be a bitch and make an alt account just to call out this prick).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 05, 2021, 05:24:40 PM
I don’t even know how to neg an account but alright buddy.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 05, 2021, 05:29:42 PM
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Weird, when I suggested using calipers to compare kingpin clearance I got hated on...

@RockLobster- Thunder forged will do just that for you especially if you ride 147s.

Also one thing I have noticed is that all these pics are from an angle. Sometimes with my iPhone it switches to a wider angle and distorts unless it is straight on. I think having the camera flat with the table surface would distort less. Those Aces do seem oddly high since the Indy's next to them are lower and they're not Mids.
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There may be some distortion due to iPhones shitty camera. I’ll go back and measure if I can tonight.
I also just noticed that the Ace baseplate is actually warped. Maybe that contributed? That’s a first for me. I guess it is bent from ledge contact? It sure wasn’t run over by a car or anything.

As for the Royals- initial “subjective” feedback from a diehard Ace convert. I ride my hangers so loose they rattle, with Krux aftermarket bushings so I’m comparing to a very specific setup.

The Royals aren’t bad at all.

At first the turn felt real linear, like a Thunder or or tighter Indys. But they go deeper and surfier/ more carve if you push them. They do bottom out -I did get wheelbite but I had to turn pretty tight. That’s with 54mm wheels. It’s a pleasant turn. Not jerky and they feel like they track well.
They def feel like a mid or lower, the pop is quick compared to Ace. They gave me a lot more stability for ollie stuff than my loose Aces. One of my biggest complaints with Ace is the grind feel and hanger shape, especially on coping. The Royals feel sooo much better.
Interesting side note, the threading on the axle ends was tighter than any other truck I can remember. In a good way.
Time will tell as far as quality and if they will replace Aces for me but really good initial impression.
Better than the new Krux, which I couldn’t ever tell how hard they would turn. They would turn and then give out-Surprise wheelbite all the time.
At least as good as broken in Indys .
Don’t know about Thunder or Venture because I don’t go there…

Damn, they sound exactly how I prefer my trucks although not rattle loose the turn of tighter indys without the effort to initialize it is pretty solid.

On the PS Nine Club he said that Royals pull out the wheelbase so it seems they for sure changed the overall geo. It kinda sounds like a slightly taller 147 with an Indy turn, which would cover all their riders and a very wide range of consumers honestly. They sorta sound like Films actually.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on November 05, 2021, 10:39:56 PM
Thanks for the review! Gonna snag a pair at somepoint and throw in the krux kingpins
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: WideFeet on November 06, 2021, 12:44:34 AM
Was hoping they were out already, but have to wait a 5 more days. Really curious to see the specs. Price will be interesting seeing that all trucks have gone up in price recently. Would be down to try them out. Might have to grab a Girl or Chocolate deck  for the hell of it if I pick up a set.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 06, 2021, 01:36:26 AM
Was hoping they were out already, but have to wait a 5 more days. Really curious to see the specs. Price will be interesting seeing that all trucks have gone up in price recently. Would be down to try them out. Might have to grab a Girl or Chocolate deck  for the hell of it if I pick up a set.

Theres a shop in Denmark selling them if you are EU

I'm defo gonna get a Girl deck too.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 06, 2021, 01:42:02 AM
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Was hoping they were out already, but have to wait a 5 more days. Really curious to see the specs. Price will be interesting seeing that all trucks have gone up in price recently. Would be down to try them out. Might have to grab a Girl or Chocolate deck  for the hell of it if I pick up a set.
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Theres a shop in Denmark selling them if you are EU

I'm defo gonna get a Girl deck too.


Required by law actually
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: WideFeet on November 06, 2021, 01:51:38 AM
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Was hoping they were out already, but have to wait a 5 more days. Really curious to see the specs. Price will be interesting seeing that all trucks have gone up in price recently. Would be down to try them out. Might have to grab a Girl or Chocolate deck  for the hell of it if I pick up a set.
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Theres a shop in Denmark selling them if you are EU

I'm defo gonna get a Girl deck too.

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Required by law actually

Good to know I would be following the law.

Not in the EU. Thanks though
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 06, 2021, 06:33:20 AM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
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I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
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hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)

Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on November 06, 2021, 06:42:33 AM
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No idea, I was hoping for a fixed hex hole like the Indy or film plates, that's piece of mind to me. As it is, I have no idea (and we never will unless someone cuts this fucker open) how they have it attached, but from just looking at them, I can't visibly see a 'seam' to where a standalone nut would meet the plug in the plate, it actually looks like a solid milled piece, this is the best I can get right now:

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I honestly can't see a seam (pics don't do it justice), it just looks like one straight piece right up to the nylock.

I'm curious of the extra threading and if it might cause snappage, even tho it's threaded all the way/deep unlike Indy or Krux pins...what I do like about this amount of threading is I know it's still 'in there' even if I were to back out of the nylon of the nut, sure it would come way loose and probably snap off, but I don't feel like it would just fall out (I always have this fear since I ride loose, and have had it happen once with krux pins)...part of the IKP-life I guess.

To be clear, I am not saying they are best fucking thing out there, or better than XXX brand, or anything, because I haven't put them through the ringer yet. They could suck/break in the first week, baseplates could snap on the first slappy (tho they lasted through a few under 144p) I have no idea, and neither do you.
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Woah, it looks like they Helicoil-ed the baseplates? That's pretty labor-intensive. Some people have issues with inverted kingpins on cast baseplates reaming out the hole. After lots of abuse, they develop play. Maybe this will prevent that? Pretty cool design if it works!

Also hoping this would prevent kingpins from getting wobbly over time on inverted trucks. I hope more truck companies start to offer and inverted option as well.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on November 06, 2021, 07:38:01 AM
Haters gonna hate. Neg away.

The Royals are definitely in the ACE/Indy/ML/Tensor/Theeve camp with a carvey feel; faster/twitchier than indy (but as smooth) but not as sharp as ACE (but damn close). They feel like theeve to me but a tad less stable when stock/loose. Carvey, but with a bit of twitch, very predictable. What really shines is how smooth they feel when you need to set up, they're not slow or jerky or twitchy, in a way they feel like ACE in that regard, when you are used to them and need to change on a dime so to speak, you have your long arc to get in line, then that little 'check', very responsive. 

Stock/nut flush They skate very loose, ACE loose (I've since tightened a full turn) but not floopy, as the bushing are pretty fucking great, lots of rebound (and my wonky pivot cup, which I rotated to have the divot on the bottom) is fine after multiple sessions. I could wheelbite standing on a carpet with very little effort (183lbs today); skating them I wasn't getting much to any wheelbite (especially on the front). 52mm trucks, 52mm wheels...doing the same shit I always do and I wasn't biting on my flatland. I'm quite surprised as I was honestly setting my expectations to venture level of turning/thunder wheelbite territory (not bashing). Most of my wheelbites were from front slappies gone wrong and shitty fakie f/s big spins (I usually pinch when I land with my front heel). I could also chalk this up to me skating more over the past month than usual.

Like Tensors and ACE, when really loose, you have to sort of balance to get that stability going, so much that you can feel when you hit it (unlike Indy to me). Tightening them up just a bit fixed it without compromising anything. I suspect I'll need to tighten more as the bushings break in further; but a full turn tighter than stock after a day of skating and they're [pretty] sweet.

pop
Thunder-ish. I skated them on both a 14.25" and 14.375" WB, they felt fine on either; I chalk that up to my preference of a mid truck pop, regardless of wheel base. But, they are also light (149s on an 8.375x32x14.375WB" and 8.25x31.875x14.25"WB) in weight and pop feel. Zero adjustment (but then, I've been skating indy, thunder and tensor over the last three weeks, a week each, so I might just be used to variety). They felt best to me (like indy and ace do) on a longer wheelbase, but that's just my stance/preference where I feel the most comfortable.

grind
They do. They don't feel soft (classics) or hard (venture). Faster than Venture, slower than ATG maglites. Close to Indy/Thunder? They're still too new, so for now they grind just fine/as you expect them too, I never felt like the truck was causing shorter or longer grinds just my speed); Sound-wise, they remind me of thunder teams.

Edit: pinch
Better than Indy and Tensor (quicker due to height) on par/close to thunder, I was able to sit fully upright on them no problems (literally my second grind on them)

Transition
Big surprise here, no issues in my thunder pitch zones/pockets. They're pretty predictable and worked when I wanted them too, obviously as a mid, you gotta choose your wheels wisley based on how loose you skate. I don't think they'll replace indy (slow) or ACE (fast) for anyone, just saying...ACE classics own the roundwalls.

This shouldn't be taken as a hype-train post, but I'm fickle and I really couldn't find anything to dislike about them (I always look for something, right?). What's more impressive: I don't feel the need to change anything out, I am leaving them stock...and if you read any of my OCD shit posts, I change everything out...cups, mix/match bushing duros and shapes, shave them down, swap out washers and shit, bitch about wheelbase with this truck or that, but I'm leaving the royals stock as they feel great as is /shrug; Jury is still out on long-term durability obviously and the IKP isn't anything special as Indy and Krux have proven. For all I know I could have liked how the old royals skated but I can't speak to the 'sacred' geometry' as I never rode them.

I think is was @ok or @off  that said something like 'middle of the road everything' and I think that's a somewhat accurate, but not derogatory, statement. They are neither too light or too heavy, too low nor too high, not too loose, not too stable, not too carvey, not too twitchy, they just kind of work (much ML do but the royals are faster feeling). Now, if you are all in on Venture probably give'em a pass. If thunder is your jam but you get wheelbite/don't like the long wb (and I don't know what the royals do: stretch/pull), you might be pleasantly surprised as they kind off feel like what I wanted my thunders and indys to feel like, and by that I mean more like each other ;)

I'd sum them up as a Thindy (which is kind of what a Theeve was/is, poor theeve). How that's possible from crail/royal I don't know but they've got the carvey feel and just a hair of twitch to them as I stated above, like if you toned down the squirrly-ness of ACE but kept it faster than Indy. They're sleepers for sure. Also, they don't click, and have a very minimal squeak that I can only hear when stationary, can't hear them at all when skating (unlike my Tensors, good gods they're loud AF). Don't forget, they've got an 8.75" too.

Pics are from the first two sessions riding them (transition and curbs). I'm going to put some serious curb time on them this weekend. I had more adjustment time to the [one] new 8.3 deck, than I did to brand new [literally a brand that is new to me] trucks. The board I had my indys on I did a straight swap and was good to go except for how fast/loose and turny they were (149 indy ti had broken in bones meds).

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Thanks for the detailed review! Sounds promising so far. I’ve been skating 14-14.12 WB decks lately so not sure how much I’d like these but if I ever go back up to 14.25 I might have to try them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: layzieyez on November 06, 2021, 08:29:51 AM
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No idea, I was hoping for a fixed hex hole like the Indy or film plates, that's piece of mind to me. As it is, I have no idea (and we never will unless someone cuts this fucker open) how they have it attached, but from just looking at them, I can't visibly see a 'seam' to where a standalone nut would meet the plug in the plate, it actually looks like a solid milled piece, this is the best I can get right now:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U7rpgBebEkSyRtToKzc2fuUmf44L6ZVs2zQwc-A-Nmc-sZ3joH-9O4hPtNLu73uDFNr37x9WYHXg3nrakRSB3nw2GqBEm4bcl0Ardv2LahcGkVtDcLjnnsf_WOD5iiL8ClMvYqy7AWg=w2400)

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I honestly can't see a seam (pics don't do it justice), it just looks like one straight piece right up to the nylock.

I'm curious of the extra threading and if it might cause snappage, even tho it's threaded all the way/deep unlike Indy or Krux pins...what I do like about this amount of threading is I know it's still 'in there' even if I were to back out of the nylon of the nut, sure it would come way loose and probably snap off, but I don't feel like it would just fall out (I always have this fear since I ride loose, and have had it happen once with krux pins)...part of the IKP-life I guess.

To be clear, I am not saying they are best fucking thing out there, or better than XXX brand, or anything, because I haven't put them through the ringer yet. They could suck/break in the first week, baseplates could snap on the first slappy (tho they lasted through a few under 144p) I have no idea, and neither do you.
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Woah, it looks like they Helicoil-ed the baseplates? That's pretty labor-intensive. Some people have issues with inverted kingpins on cast baseplates reaming out the hole. After lots of abuse, they develop play. Maybe this will prevent that? Pretty cool design if it works!
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Also hoping this would prevent kingpins from getting wobbly over time on inverted trucks. I hope more truck companies start to offer and inverted option as well.
This looks like a great upgrade instead of some dumb retreaders that will likely just get lost or are redundant for people who already have some *cough ace.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on November 06, 2021, 08:39:26 AM
Helicoil idea is pretty great. At work I sometimes have to do helicoils if threads break in a tapped hole and it sucks. But the helicoils are typically stronger than the aluminum threads. Or that seems to be the case for me. Long story short this makes me think royal is actually making moves where ace talked a big game and basically issued the same truck.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2021, 10:21:27 AM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
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I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
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hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
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Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again

It’s not dude but think whatever you want…fwiw I’ve always believed your account is an alt.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 06, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
Helicoil idea is pretty great. At work I sometimes have to do helicoils if threads break in a tapped hole and it sucks. But the helicoils are typically stronger than the aluminum threads. Or that seems to be the case for me. Long story short this makes me think royal is actually making moves where ace talked a big game and basically issued the same truck.

Honestly it’s crazy that skateboard trucks have evolved so little. Inverted kingpins with a threaded baseplate offer so many advantages and so few downsides, it’s insane that it took fucking ROYAL trucks to do this.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2021, 10:28:32 AM
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Helicoil idea is pretty great. At work I sometimes have to do helicoils if threads break in a tapped hole and it sucks. But the helicoils are typically stronger than the aluminum threads. Or that seems to be the case for me. Long story short this makes me think royal is actually making moves where ace talked a big game and basically issued the same truck.
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No idea, I was hoping for a fixed hex hole like the Indy or film plates, that's piece of mind to me. As it is, I have no idea (and we never will unless someone cuts this fucker open) how they have it attached, but from just looking at them, I can't visibly see a 'seam' to where a standalone nut would meet the plug in the plate, it actually looks like a solid milled piece, this is the best I can get right now:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U7rpgBebEkSyRtToKzc2fuUmf44L6ZVs2zQwc-A-Nmc-sZ3joH-9O4hPtNLu73uDFNr37x9WYHXg3nrakRSB3nw2GqBEm4bcl0Ardv2LahcGkVtDcLjnnsf_WOD5iiL8ClMvYqy7AWg=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PXFJJM4lEqUGJvgML8gMVAY2edTq3T9s24SpmKr-kqQS5YwPPE7T3vTxP-E9KkNGBgLLcil4Rgx3vf2oZK5m_Yd1VHb4k5XndsdK4zUz_gb1aNRZMCA4KUULUbzNyEkhpgu-_2KktjI=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dS_QBwFXupNv169OdX_47q0cx0emUz5n957WZcPgw8wlx0niz2mfIZ90WkryQUK75o5Wu1k8mLQ6raQyUpvdtOwnSkhCiLwszem0vIw7vpCXFqX1Er1GC34VWsUgvgWkTRopeXbNRXM=w2400)

I honestly can't see a seam (pics don't do it justice), it just looks like one straight piece right up to the nylock.

I'm curious of the extra threading and if it might cause snappage, even tho it's threaded all the way/deep unlike Indy or Krux pins...what I do like about this amount of threading is I know it's still 'in there' even if I were to back out of the nylon of the nut, sure it would come way loose and probably snap off, but I don't feel like it would just fall out (I always have this fear since I ride loose, and have had it happen once with krux pins)...part of the IKP-life I guess.

To be clear, I am not saying they are best fucking thing out there, or better than XXX brand, or anything, because I haven't put them through the ringer yet. They could suck/break in the first week, baseplates could snap on the first slappy (tho they lasted through a few under 144p) I have no idea, and neither do you.
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Woah, it looks like they Helicoil-ed the baseplates? That's pretty labor-intensive. Some people have issues with inverted kingpins on cast baseplates reaming out the hole. After lots of abuse, they develop play. Maybe this will prevent that? Pretty cool design if it works!

If this is Helicoil-ed, how is that different than what Indy did (credit where credit is due)? Besides the different plate shape (hex) it looks like the same style of engineering to me?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on November 06, 2021, 11:05:51 AM
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Helicoil idea is pretty great. At work I sometimes have to do helicoils if threads break in a tapped hole and it sucks. But the helicoils are typically stronger than the aluminum threads. Or that seems to be the case for me. Long story short this makes me think royal is actually making moves where ace talked a big game and basically issued the same truck.
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Honestly it’s crazy that skateboard trucks have evolved so little. Inverted kingpins with a threaded baseplate offer so many advantages and so few downsides, it’s insane that it took fucking ROYAL trucks to do this.
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No idea, I was hoping for a fixed hex hole like the Indy or film plates, that's piece of mind to me. As it is, I have no idea (and we never will unless someone cuts this fucker open) how they have it attached, but from just looking at them, I can't visibly see a 'seam' to where a standalone nut would meet the plug in the plate, it actually looks like a solid milled piece, this is the best I can get right now:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U7rpgBebEkSyRtToKzc2fuUmf44L6ZVs2zQwc-A-Nmc-sZ3joH-9O4hPtNLu73uDFNr37x9WYHXg3nrakRSB3nw2GqBEm4bcl0Ardv2LahcGkVtDcLjnnsf_WOD5iiL8ClMvYqy7AWg=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PXFJJM4lEqUGJvgML8gMVAY2edTq3T9s24SpmKr-kqQS5YwPPE7T3vTxP-E9KkNGBgLLcil4Rgx3vf2oZK5m_Yd1VHb4k5XndsdK4zUz_gb1aNRZMCA4KUULUbzNyEkhpgu-_2KktjI=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dS_QBwFXupNv169OdX_47q0cx0emUz5n957WZcPgw8wlx0niz2mfIZ90WkryQUK75o5Wu1k8mLQ6raQyUpvdtOwnSkhCiLwszem0vIw7vpCXFqX1Er1GC34VWsUgvgWkTRopeXbNRXM=w2400)

I honestly can't see a seam (pics don't do it justice), it just looks like one straight piece right up to the nylock.

I'm curious of the extra threading and if it might cause snappage, even tho it's threaded all the way/deep unlike Indy or Krux pins...what I do like about this amount of threading is I know it's still 'in there' even if I were to back out of the nylon of the nut, sure it would come way loose and probably snap off, but I don't feel like it would just fall out (I always have this fear since I ride loose, and have had it happen once with krux pins)...part of the IKP-life I guess.

To be clear, I am not saying they are best fucking thing out there, or better than XXX brand, or anything, because I haven't put them through the ringer yet. They could suck/break in the first week, baseplates could snap on the first slappy (tho they lasted through a few under 144p) I have no idea, and neither do you.
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Woah, it looks like they Helicoil-ed the baseplates? That's pretty labor-intensive. Some people have issues with inverted kingpins on cast baseplates reaming out the hole. After lots of abuse, they develop play. Maybe this will prevent that? Pretty cool design if it works!
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If this is Helicoil-ed, how is that different than what Indy did (credit where credit is due)? Besides the different plate shape (hex) it looks like the same style of engineering to me?

i'm assuming the other option is just 'gluing' a part in? for comparison to the royals previously posted, i found these indy pics thru google, thanks @Xen lol
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My local shop has been good in ordering in stuff for me, they'd never carry that truck....I bet at least 50% of skaters just buy Raws.....this new design would make a broken kingpin easier no?
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Yeah, you could swap out a kingpin in minutes and you don't need a hammer.
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Not sure...if you snap the pin, how do you get the broken part out of the sleeve? I guess you can just bang out the whole thing and then cram it back in...but...until they start selling them separately we're all fucked as you can't put a regular pin in those plates...the normal way, you'd have to just buy the krux pin.

If you're a pin breaker these are def now for you.
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I guess I'm missing something. You posted a picture of the bottom of the baseplate with a nut in it, exactly like krux does it. I guess the nut is built in then? My bad.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GkmNy2GkouC_Ba3Pg8jaVtReH1losFIcaVgtC7MqRUW0Rmn91u7qyHSfJT9Y-Cd5EXzx_Wz81f6RsQ5a7imp3zKn70zWFzZ4XuB4JR0J30cQkN-SvNma2S_URx41MBjJgnJaJqlc1cs)

It's a sleeve, just look at the top of the base plate; it appears that the nut is attached to this sleeve(? I have no way to tell and don't feel like banging it out and fucking up the truck); nut doesn't spin and it doesn't fall out when you dismantle it.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/c1p6XH2detBz4uOuCNr2mFJKwX5gPy_JfcR5TF5554WznggKfWejd_9GHNJKPc5lgrXPchCFQbfWj9xG8fvIL4yG7KTH3Y2xtrypPrKAHEK4kDcwxxy8S2IDk7q3yODKikxuxiE8XF8)
Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.msg3353649#msg3353649

edit: and what a helicoil is
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4FiGqR_K74KmI5aA29RBvwjo3G-wCTHrhlg&usqp=CAU)
bonus edit: fixed this incomprehensible response,
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 06, 2021, 11:12:19 AM
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Helicoil idea is pretty great. At work I sometimes have to do helicoils if threads break in a tapped hole and it sucks. But the helicoils are typically stronger than the aluminum threads. Or that seems to be the case for me. Long story short this makes me think royal is actually making moves where ace talked a big game and basically issued the same truck.
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Honestly it’s crazy that skateboard trucks have evolved so little. Inverted kingpins with a threaded baseplate offer so many advantages and so few downsides, it’s insane that it took fucking ROYAL trucks to do this.
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No idea, I was hoping for a fixed hex hole like the Indy or film plates, that's piece of mind to me. As it is, I have no idea (and we never will unless someone cuts this fucker open) how they have it attached, but from just looking at them, I can't visibly see a 'seam' to where a standalone nut would meet the plug in the plate, it actually looks like a solid milled piece, this is the best I can get right now:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U7rpgBebEkSyRtToKzc2fuUmf44L6ZVs2zQwc-A-Nmc-sZ3joH-9O4hPtNLu73uDFNr37x9WYHXg3nrakRSB3nw2GqBEm4bcl0Ardv2LahcGkVtDcLjnnsf_WOD5iiL8ClMvYqy7AWg=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PXFJJM4lEqUGJvgML8gMVAY2edTq3T9s24SpmKr-kqQS5YwPPE7T3vTxP-E9KkNGBgLLcil4Rgx3vf2oZK5m_Yd1VHb4k5XndsdK4zUz_gb1aNRZMCA4KUULUbzNyEkhpgu-_2KktjI=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dS_QBwFXupNv169OdX_47q0cx0emUz5n957WZcPgw8wlx0niz2mfIZ90WkryQUK75o5Wu1k8mLQ6raQyUpvdtOwnSkhCiLwszem0vIw7vpCXFqX1Er1GC34VWsUgvgWkTRopeXbNRXM=w2400)

I honestly can't see a seam (pics don't do it justice), it just looks like one straight piece right up to the nylock.

I'm curious of the extra threading and if it might cause snappage, even tho it's threaded all the way/deep unlike Indy or Krux pins...what I do like about this amount of threading is I know it's still 'in there' even if I were to back out of the nylon of the nut, sure it would come way loose and probably snap off, but I don't feel like it would just fall out (I always have this fear since I ride loose, and have had it happen once with krux pins)...part of the IKP-life I guess.

To be clear, I am not saying they are best fucking thing out there, or better than XXX brand, or anything, because I haven't put them through the ringer yet. They could suck/break in the first week, baseplates could snap on the first slappy (tho they lasted through a few under 144p) I have no idea, and neither do you.
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Woah, it looks like they Helicoil-ed the baseplates? That's pretty labor-intensive. Some people have issues with inverted kingpins on cast baseplates reaming out the hole. After lots of abuse, they develop play. Maybe this will prevent that? Pretty cool design if it works!
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If this is Helicoil-ed, how is that different than what Indy did (credit where credit is due)? Besides the different plate shape (hex) it looks like the same style of engineering to me?

I guess it's not. I don't know how Mids work, I haven't actually seen one disassembled. Pleased to know that there are multiple options for this.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: backinaction on November 06, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
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Helicoil idea is pretty great. At work I sometimes have to do helicoils if threads break in a tapped hole and it sucks. But the helicoils are typically stronger than the aluminum threads. Or that seems to be the case for me. Long story short this makes me think royal is actually making moves where ace talked a big game and basically issued the same truck.
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Honestly it’s crazy that skateboard trucks have evolved so little. Inverted kingpins with a threaded baseplate offer so many advantages and so few downsides, it’s insane that it took fucking ROYAL trucks to do this.

G&S did it in 1990.  I still have mine.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2021, 01:05:16 PM
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Helicoil idea is pretty great. At work I sometimes have to do helicoils if threads break in a tapped hole and it sucks. But the helicoils are typically stronger than the aluminum threads. Or that seems to be the case for me. Long story short this makes me think royal is actually making moves where ace talked a big game and basically issued the same truck.
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Honestly it’s crazy that skateboard trucks have evolved so little. Inverted kingpins with a threaded baseplate offer so many advantages and so few downsides, it’s insane that it took fucking ROYAL trucks to do this.
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No idea, I was hoping for a fixed hex hole like the Indy or film plates, that's piece of mind to me. As it is, I have no idea (and we never will unless someone cuts this fucker open) how they have it attached, but from just looking at them, I can't visibly see a 'seam' to where a standalone nut would meet the plug in the plate, it actually looks like a solid milled piece, this is the best I can get right now:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U7rpgBebEkSyRtToKzc2fuUmf44L6ZVs2zQwc-A-Nmc-sZ3joH-9O4hPtNLu73uDFNr37x9WYHXg3nrakRSB3nw2GqBEm4bcl0Ardv2LahcGkVtDcLjnnsf_WOD5iiL8ClMvYqy7AWg=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PXFJJM4lEqUGJvgML8gMVAY2edTq3T9s24SpmKr-kqQS5YwPPE7T3vTxP-E9KkNGBgLLcil4Rgx3vf2oZK5m_Yd1VHb4k5XndsdK4zUz_gb1aNRZMCA4KUULUbzNyEkhpgu-_2KktjI=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dS_QBwFXupNv169OdX_47q0cx0emUz5n957WZcPgw8wlx0niz2mfIZ90WkryQUK75o5Wu1k8mLQ6raQyUpvdtOwnSkhCiLwszem0vIw7vpCXFqX1Er1GC34VWsUgvgWkTRopeXbNRXM=w2400)

I honestly can't see a seam (pics don't do it justice), it just looks like one straight piece right up to the nylock.

I'm curious of the extra threading and if it might cause snappage, even tho it's threaded all the way/deep unlike Indy or Krux pins...what I do like about this amount of threading is I know it's still 'in there' even if I were to back out of the nylon of the nut, sure it would come way loose and probably snap off, but I don't feel like it would just fall out (I always have this fear since I ride loose, and have had it happen once with krux pins)...part of the IKP-life I guess.

To be clear, I am not saying they are best fucking thing out there, or better than XXX brand, or anything, because I haven't put them through the ringer yet. They could suck/break in the first week, baseplates could snap on the first slappy (tho they lasted through a few under 144p) I have no idea, and neither do you.
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Woah, it looks like they Helicoil-ed the baseplates? That's pretty labor-intensive. Some people have issues with inverted kingpins on cast baseplates reaming out the hole. After lots of abuse, they develop play. Maybe this will prevent that? Pretty cool design if it works!
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If this is Helicoil-ed, how is that different than what Indy did (credit where credit is due)? Besides the different plate shape (hex) it looks like the same style of engineering to me?
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i'm assuming the other option is just 'gluing' a part in? for comparison to the royals previously posted, i found these indy pics thru google, thanks @Xen lol
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My local shop has been good in ordering in stuff for me, they'd never carry that truck....I bet at least 50% of skaters just buy Raws.....this new design would make a broken kingpin easier no?
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Yeah, you could swap out a kingpin in minutes and you don't need a hammer.
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Not sure...if you snap the pin, how do you get the broken part out of the sleeve? I guess you can just bang out the whole thing and then cram it back in...but...until they start selling them separately we're all fucked as you can't put a regular pin in those plates...the normal way, you'd have to just buy the krux pin.

If you're a pin breaker these are def now for you.
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I guess I'm missing something. You posted a picture of the bottom of the baseplate with a nut in it, exactly like krux does it. I guess the nut is built in then? My bad.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GkmNy2GkouC_Ba3Pg8jaVtReH1losFIcaVgtC7MqRUW0Rmn91u7qyHSfJT9Y-Cd5EXzx_Wz81f6RsQ5a7imp3zKn70zWFzZ4XuB4JR0J30cQkN-SvNma2S_URx41MBjJgnJaJqlc1cs)

It's a sleeve, just look at the top of the base plate; it appears that the nut is attached to this sleeve(? I have no way to tell and don't feel like banging it out and fucking up the truck); nut doesn't spin and it doesn't fall out when you dismantle it.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/c1p6XH2detBz4uOuCNr2mFJKwX5gPy_JfcR5TF5554WznggKfWejd_9GHNJKPc5lgrXPchCFQbfWj9xG8fvIL4yG7KTH3Y2xtrypPrKAHEK4kDcwxxy8S2IDk7q3yODKikxuxiE8XF8)
Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.msg3353649#msg3353649
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edit: and what a helicoil is
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4FiGqR_K74KmI5aA29RBvwjo3G-wCTHrhlg&usqp=CAU)
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With both companies plates, I am curious if the hex nut is just glued on? Surely they didn't machine one piece with a hex nut on the end and drip some nylon there?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on November 06, 2021, 01:20:44 PM
same here & there's this indy video where they breakdown their ikp, but seeing as it's a render it's not exactly proof of anything. it does look like it's a sleeve like stated before, but maybe it's helicoiled inside and threaded on the outside (into the baseplate) which is why the baseplate locks around it so snugly?
https://youtu.be/dEaWiWMZxS4?t=18
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on November 06, 2021, 02:36:31 PM
It is probably a pressed in part.  You couldn’t thread it In like a helicoil because of the nut end on it.
Pressed in would work well though because the hex end keeps it from spinning.
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Post by: iw0 on November 06, 2021, 02:40:54 PM
It is probably a pressed in part.  You couldn’t thread it In like a helicoil because of the nut end on it.
Pressed in would work well though because the hex end keeps it from spinning.

hey good point; egg on my face eh
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2021, 04:19:31 PM
Is the K5 plate like this as well?




Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: STAH on November 06, 2021, 05:47:24 PM
I would be down to try a pair of Royals if they made an 8.5 truck. Seems like 8.25 is the biggest they make.
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Post by: jsettle on November 06, 2021, 06:13:45 PM
I would be down to try a pair of Royals if they made an 8.5 truck. Seems like 8.25 is the biggest they make.

They make an 8.5 and a 8.75 in these new updated ones they just released
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 06, 2021, 06:36:55 PM
same here & there's this indy video where they breakdown their ikp, but seeing as it's a render it's not exactly proof of anything. it does look like it's a sleeve like stated before, but maybe it's helicoiled inside and threaded on the outside (into the baseplate) which is why the baseplate locks around it so snugly?
https://youtu.be/dEaWiWMZxS4?t=18

That rendering shows a knurled nut, so it's presumably pressed into place exactly as they do with a kingpin.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on November 06, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
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same here & there's this indy video where they breakdown their ikp, but seeing as it's a render it's not exactly proof of anything. it does look like it's a sleeve like stated before, but maybe it's helicoiled inside and threaded on the outside (into the baseplate) which is why the baseplate locks around it so snugly?
https://youtu.be/dEaWiWMZxS4?t=18
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That rendering shows a knurled nut, so it's presumably pressed into place exactly as they do with a kingpin.

cool, i knew someone might pick up on something in that video
thanks to everyone for bearing with me as i'm no expert in metal manufacturing.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 07, 2021, 03:18:36 AM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
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I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
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hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
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Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again
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It’s not dude but think whatever you want…fwiw I’ve always believed your account is an alt.

You only believe that because you're so used to using alts in forum fights that you think everyone else must do it too.

Hmm another account a couple months old, has already accumulated hundreds of posts in gear forum (like you), talks like a weird insecure boomer, and always jumping to someones defense it seems

You are so desperate for approval and attention, it's hard to believe you're +40. The way you went off on that dude in the loose pants thread for calling your pants not loose. Wow dude. When people recently shit on your beloved hard-as-fuck red indy bushings you've been raving about for over a year, you quietly switched off them within a week and posted about it so everyone doesn't know you ride tight-as-fuck trucks. Btw, sleeved bottom washer is garbage, completely preloads the bushing before you even step on the board so it won't fully turn anymore. Makes your "soft" barrel twice as stiff. Even DH longboarders shit on those $20  vanity washers, man. They're only useful for fatasses who love tight trucks but won't admit it
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2021, 06:08:01 AM

Yo PAFF I hope you post some gear related stuff in the 7.75 thread. Liked some of your theories, on gear
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 07, 2021, 08:20:59 AM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
[close]

I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
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hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
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Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again
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It’s not dude but think whatever you want…fwiw I’ve always believed your account is an alt.
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You only believe that because you're so used to using alts in forum fights that you think everyone else must do it too.

Hmm another account a couple months old, has already accumulated hundreds of posts in gear forum (like you), talks like a weird insecure boomer, and always jumping to someones defense it seems

You are so desperate for approval and attention, it's hard to believe you're +40. The way you went off on that dude in the loose pants thread for calling your pants not loose. Wow dude. When people recently shit on your beloved hard-as-fuck red indy bushings you've been raving about for over a year, you quietly switched off them within a week and posted about it so everyone doesn't know you ride tight-as-fuck trucks. Btw, sleeved bottom washer is garbage, completely preloads the bushing before you even step on the board so it won't fully turn anymore. Makes your "soft" barrel twice as stiff. Even DH longboarders shit on those $20  vanity washers, man. They're only useful for fatasses who love tight trucks but won't admit it

Everything in this post is paranoid insanity. No one should be taking a skateboarding forum this seriously.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 07, 2021, 10:01:52 AM
It’s the same design as Indy but what Royal did which might be smarter/more cost effective is use the same baseplate for both trucks. It could be marginally less secure but I doubt it. So, I eat my original words on what I had thought they had done.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2021, 10:11:41 AM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
[close]

I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
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hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
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Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again
[close]

It’s not dude but think whatever you want…fwiw I’ve always believed your account is an alt.
[close]

You only believe that because you're so used to using alts in forum fights that you think everyone else must do it too.

Hmm another account a couple months old, has already accumulated hundreds of posts in gear forum (like you), talks like a weird insecure boomer, and always jumping to someones defense it seems

You are so desperate for approval and attention, it's hard to believe you're +40. The way you went off on that dude in the loose pants thread for calling your pants not loose. Wow dude. When people recently shit on your beloved hard-as-fuck red indy bushings you've been raving about for over a year, you quietly switched off them within a week and posted about it so everyone doesn't know you ride tight-as-fuck trucks. Btw, sleeved bottom washer is garbage, completely preloads the bushing before you even step on the board so it won't fully turn anymore. Makes your "soft" barrel twice as stiff. Even DH longboarders shit on those $20  vanity washers, man. They're only useful for fatasses who love tight trucks but won't admit it
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Everything in this post is paranoid insanity. No one should be taking a skateboarding forum this seriously.

I shouldn’t find this entertaining, this negativity, and the entertainment ‘value’ quickly wanes, buuuuuut
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 07, 2021, 12:06:55 PM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

[close]
oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
[close]

I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
[close]
hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
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Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again
[close]

It’s not dude but think whatever you want…fwiw I’ve always believed your account is an alt.
[close]

You only believe that because you're so used to using alts in forum fights that you think everyone else must do it too.

Hmm another account a couple months old, has already accumulated hundreds of posts in gear forum (like you), talks like a weird insecure boomer, and always jumping to someones defense it seems

You are so desperate for approval and attention, it's hard to believe you're +40. The way you went off on that dude in the loose pants thread for calling your pants not loose. Wow dude. When people recently shit on your beloved hard-as-fuck red indy bushings you've been raving about for over a year, you quietly switched off them within a week and posted about it so everyone doesn't know you ride tight-as-fuck trucks. Btw, sleeved bottom washer is garbage, completely preloads the bushing before you even step on the board so it won't fully turn anymore. Makes your "soft" barrel twice as stiff. Even DH longboarders shit on those $20  vanity washers, man. They're only useful for fatasses who love tight trucks but won't admit it
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Everything in this post is paranoid insanity. No one should be taking a skateboarding forum this seriously.

Hey congrats on almost hitting 1200 posts. Sorry I take your forum too seriously

Xen does this all the time. See my sig for another example
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2021, 01:16:40 PM
It’s the same design as Indy but what Royal did which might be smarter/more cost effective is use the same baseplate for both trucks. It could be marginally less secure but I doubt it. So, I eat my original words on what I had thought they had done.

@144p

Was your standard pair like IKP plates?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2021, 01:22:00 PM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

[close]
oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
[close]

I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
[close]
hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
[close]

Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again
[close]

It’s not dude but think whatever you want…fwiw I’ve always believed your account is an alt.
[close]

You only believe that because you're so used to using alts in forum fights that you think everyone else must do it too.

Hmm another account a couple months old, has already accumulated hundreds of posts in gear forum (like you), talks like a weird insecure boomer, and always jumping to someones defense it seems

You are so desperate for approval and attention, it's hard to believe you're +40. The way you went off on that dude in the loose pants thread for calling your pants not loose. Wow dude. When people recently shit on your beloved hard-as-fuck red indy bushings you've been raving about for over a year, you quietly switched off them within a week and posted about it so everyone doesn't know you ride tight-as-fuck trucks. Btw, sleeved bottom washer is garbage, completely preloads the bushing before you even step on the board so it won't fully turn anymore. Makes your "soft" barrel twice as stiff. Even DH longboarders shit on those $20  vanity washers, man. They're only useful for fatasses who love tight trucks but won't admit it

lol, this guy is in such an uproar he’s having paranoid delusions about forum posts making up conspiracies..pretty sure we know who needs attention…actually, it’s one of my apparently numerous alt accounts to confuse the rest of you, prove me wrong.

Honestly, I post too much as it is to have more than one account, that would eat up way too much time.

Bummer, I’ve got sigs off. Thanks for being a fan tho, I appreciate you.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 07, 2021, 04:57:24 PM
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I'm going to answer your criticisms in 1 post Xen, then stop polluting.

  • 1. Mini Logo? Are you serious? That's setting the bar pretty fucking low.
    2. I do not understand why you keep bringing what I ride into this thread. I am not comparing Royals to Mids. You seem to just want to bring up what I'm currently riding to discredit my personal opinion, which I've said is just based on appearances.
    3. Mids also bring the wheelbase in 6mm. They have a more Indy-like pop feel than forged plates. This was by design. They replace lows and have more kingpin clearance. In order to actually turn like standards they use taller bushings and the IKP does have more clearance than a standard nut. I don't know why Ben Degros and Slap thought they would be a miracle truck in that regard. Again, I am not comparing Royals to Mids.
    4. I compare all trucks to the big 3. Ace has had so many QC issues that I view them with skepticism.
    5. I am loosely familiar with the various aluminum alloys out there as well as what they tend to look like after casting after apprenticing at a forgery. The big 3 all have much better raw finishes and this looks exactly like alloys that use tin and zinc. They are usually fairly light, but also brittle. These alloys are commonly used in shoddy aluminum products often from China, so no surprise there.
    6. I've said like a dozen times I don't want to see them fail, but I am viewing them with skepticism since their company has a long history of shitty products and cutting corners. How long did Crail have wood that was literally among the worst in skateboarding? Royals were the worst of the worst for 2 decades. So from that end they're the ones that have something to prove and I will remain skeptical until they do.
    7. It is really easy to see how bad their QC is from your pictures. The lip of the nut sleeve isn't even flush with the base plate. From the underside photo of the nut you can see that they have an excess alloy lip on the inner part of the base plate hole. This suggests some sloppy casting. I am looking at a pair of cast plate Ventures, Thunders, and Aces and none of them have lips from casting. On the right side of the photo you can see how the edge of the base plate relief groove isn't even straight.
    8. Can you take your set of Mids as well as other trucks, set them flat on a table, place a bubble level on the axle and then use a MM rule or calipers to measure kingpin clearance? I have and my Mids have better clearance than Thunders and I wonder how Royal managed to get the best clearance supposedly for this height with standard sized bushings. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in 1mm or so of one another. I think Slap just likes to parrot Ben Degros because there isn't a single Mid rider that I have met or seen that has significant scratches on their kingpin on the sides. If I measure from the top of the hanger to the side of the dome it actually has the same clearance as my forged hollows.

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oh man oh man i’m about to bring out my inner quantum bearing science thread energy if it keeps going like this
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I'm just egging him on now (guess the meme helped). I should stop, just look at the tone of his last post, he wants to be right so badly he's challenging me to a caliper dual over the interwebs - I honestly don't give a shit what he thinks, and it's already taking too much effort..

I will say two things to the above post, yes, crail wood sucked forever but it doesn't anymore...hence giving them the benefit of the doubt...why? Because I like skate shit. The other, yeah, we all know the M-indy IKP clearance is shit if it's within 1mm of forged hollows, hell they had to bolster the hanger just to get it within that 1mm hanger..why did they even bother (I'm serious because I wanted them them to be great)? I'll be back on a few days to a week with detailed impressions.

The worst part, if they do suck, we then have to listen to him saying I told you so from his computer chair throne of vindication and then shaking his fist yelling "I TOLD YOU ROUGH CASTING WAS BAD!"
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hold your horses buddy! i’m not with you. i’m on the other guys side. so you think you’re the certified slap truck alloy/molding/whatever expert because you were an apprentice? well, listen here, you condescending twat. i have you know unlike an apprentice (you), i am a master of all things metal (also not you). so i think its fair to say fuck you because you obviously know less about this subject matter than me.

the royals in those pics honestly looked wonky. wtf was that pivot cup. other than that, i’d be down to give em a shot if i didnt just order some thunders. thats all i’m gonna say about them. fuck you lebowski. royals for life (i have never ridden royals). fuck what you ride (also ur gay)
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Haha, jesus christ. Xen jumping to his own rescue yet again
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It’s not dude but think whatever you want…fwiw I’ve always believed your account is an alt.
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You only believe that because you're so used to using alts in forum fights that you think everyone else must do it too.

Hmm another account a couple months old, has already accumulated hundreds of posts in gear forum (like you), talks like a weird insecure boomer, and always jumping to someones defense it seems

You are so desperate for approval and attention, it's hard to believe you're +40. The way you went off on that dude in the loose pants thread for calling your pants not loose. Wow dude. When people recently shit on your beloved hard-as-fuck red indy bushings you've been raving about for over a year, you quietly switched off them within a week and posted about it so everyone doesn't know you ride tight-as-fuck trucks. Btw, sleeved bottom washer is garbage, completely preloads the bushing before you even step on the board so it won't fully turn anymore. Makes your "soft" barrel twice as stiff. Even DH longboarders shit on those $20  vanity washers, man. They're only useful for fatasses who love tight trucks but won't admit it
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Everything in this post is paranoid insanity. No one should be taking a skateboarding forum this seriously.
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I shouldn’t find this entertaining, this negativity, and the entertainment ‘value’ quickly wanes, buuuuuut

Don't apologize; I get the same weird pleasure watching a bully eat his own medicine
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: PuffinMuffin on November 07, 2021, 05:35:35 PM
Btw, sleeved bottom washer is garbage, completely preloads the bushing before you even step on the board so it won't fully turn anymore. Makes your "soft" barrel twice as stiff. Even DH longboarders shit on those $20  vanity washers, man. They're only useful for fatasses who love tight trucks but won't admit it

I thought longboarders disliked sleeved bushing cups because they snap back to center. Longboarders want deep carves. Wouldn't sleeved bushing cups be great for street skating on twitchy trucks like Thunders though? And aren't all bushings with a tightened nut basically preloaded? I'm confused by what you're saying, it sounds like you're talking about suspension bushings in vehicles, not skateboards.

Also, I'm fairly confident those accounts aren't Xens, pretty sure they argued with each other before over Tensors. Not to mention Banging talked about being gay in a small town, and al_cvbrera just got banned for being homophobic.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2021, 05:45:19 PM
Well I’ve had about enough of this, let’s get back to the trucks eh?

I actually liked the last version, the 4s, but never measured them. I thought they were listed at something odd like 50.5. Which is in my wheelhouse. 52 makes more sense for the current trends, almost everyone is skating bigger wheels. I remember someone, (maybe Carroll?) saying that the royals were made to be a better Venture, and that would make sense, as all of the og’s were venture dudes.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 09, 2021, 05:44:45 AM
What size Allen key will I need to tighten
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 09, 2021, 07:32:58 AM
What size Allen key will I need to tighten

5.5mm

https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/dlk-kingpin-tool-truck-acc-krux?utm_source=kruxtrucks.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=DLK%20Kingpin%20Tool%20Truck%20Acc%20Krux

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 09, 2021, 07:38:54 AM
If it’s 5.5mm as suggested, then a 7/32 Allen is only 1/64” difference. Knowing this, I bought this tool for adjusting my Kreeper and Krux kingpins. I’ve got the Krux one that came worth the kingpin but it absolutely sucks compared to a “real” tool.

Klein Tools JTH6E12 7/32-Inch Hex Key with Journeyman T-Handle, 6-Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004N5WH4U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_DRJEGR3VX2Q10YM3DWR7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 09, 2021, 09:24:23 AM
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5.5mm

https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/dlk-kingpin-tool-truck-acc-krux?utm_source=kruxtrucks.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=DLK%20Kingpin%20Tool%20Truck%20Acc%20Krux

Thanks dog

I presume one doesn't come with trucks ha
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Shuh on November 09, 2021, 09:03:58 PM
New Royal part by VA coming 11.11 cant wait, this might be like Bobbys Venture part
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Post by: rocklobster on November 09, 2021, 10:59:50 PM
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5.5mm

https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/dlk-kingpin-tool-truck-acc-krux?utm_source=kruxtrucks.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=DLK%20Kingpin%20Tool%20Truck%20Acc%20Krux
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Thanks dog

I presume one doesn't come with trucks ha

It took Royal more than a decade to come out with a decent truck, we're going to need a few more years before they release the allen key tool.

The inverted kingpin doesn't look like a full button nut like Krux, so a regular hex head skate tool should do the trick too. Kind of like Ruckus trucks (remember those!) from the 2000s.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on November 10, 2021, 03:18:45 PM
About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 10, 2021, 03:21:41 PM
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5.5mm

https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/dlk-kingpin-tool-truck-acc-krux?utm_source=kruxtrucks.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=DLK%20Kingpin%20Tool%20Truck%20Acc%20Krux
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Thanks dog

I presume one doesn't come with trucks ha
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It took Royal more than a decade to come out with a decent truck, we're going to need a few more years before they release the allen key tool.

The inverted kingpin doesn't look like a full button nut like Krux, so a regular hex head skate tool should do the trick too. Kind of like Ruckus trucks (remember those!) from the 2000s.

While not opposed to it being bundled (indy and krux don't with the trucks); with the standard shaped head, regular skate tools work fine (I carry the Sk8ology carabiner with me on a pant loop); I was always worried about losing the krux key when I brought it with me.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 10, 2021, 03:22:03 PM
About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.

What wheelbase deck are you skating?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on November 10, 2021, 04:24:10 PM
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About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
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What wheelbase deck are you skating?

14.5

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 10, 2021, 06:45:19 PM
About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.

By all accounts I'm riding them tighter than I would with other trucks...and now the 'wobble' to get on center is gone and I can still swerve/carve just fine; and while I still wheelbite, it's nowhere near like it is for me on Thunder or Venture. I'm about 8 sessions deep now (70/30 on a 14.375"/14.25"WB), and like you, I don't feel the itch to swap, and they're still stock.

Not saying they're the end all be all or best for any of you, but it's nice to not have to sweat anything when riding as they hit all my needs. Not even sure I'd bite on hollow hangers...with that out of they way I can safely focus my OCD towards decks again.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 10, 2021, 07:03:36 PM
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About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
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By all accounts I'm riding them tighter than I would with other trucks...and now the 'wobble' to get on center is gone and I can still swerve/carve just fine; and while I still wheelbite, it's nowhere near like it is for me on Thunder or Venture. I'm about 8 sessions deep now (70/30 on a 14.375"/14.25"WB), and like you, I don't feel the itch to swap, and they're still stock.

Not saying they're the end all be all or best for any of you, but it's nice to not have to sweat anything when riding as they hit all my needs. Not even sure I'd bite on hollow hangers...with that out of they way I can safely focus my OCD towards decks again.

Great, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on November 10, 2021, 10:33:52 PM
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About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
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By all accounts I'm riding them tighter than I would with other trucks...and now the 'wobble' to get on center is gone and I can still swerve/carve just fine; and while I still wheelbite, it's nowhere near like it is for me on Thunder or Venture. I'm about 8 sessions deep now (70/30 on a 14.375"/14.25"WB), and like you, I don't feel the itch to swap, and they're still stock.

Not saying they're the end all be all or best for any of you, but it's nice to not have to sweat anything when riding as they hit all my needs. Not even sure I'd bite on hollow hangers...with that out of they way I can safely focus my OCD towards decks again.
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Great, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet.

Same I have a set in my cart right now... So tempted
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 10, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
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About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
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By all accounts I'm riding them tighter than I would with other trucks...and now the 'wobble' to get on center is gone and I can still swerve/carve just fine; and while I still wheelbite, it's nowhere near like it is for me on Thunder or Venture. I'm about 8 sessions deep now (70/30 on a 14.375"/14.25"WB), and like you, I don't feel the itch to swap, and they're still stock.

Not saying they're the end all be all or best for any of you, but it's nice to not have to sweat anything when riding as they hit all my needs. Not even sure I'd bite on hollow hangers...with that out of they way I can safely focus my OCD towards decks again.
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Great, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet.
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Same I have a set in my cart right now... So tempted

Black Friday is coming up, if you aren't hard up for them just wait it out and save the few dollars.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on November 11, 2021, 07:53:05 AM
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About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
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By all accounts I'm riding them tighter than I would with other trucks...and now the 'wobble' to get on center is gone and I can still swerve/carve just fine; and while I still wheelbite, it's nowhere near like it is for me on Thunder or Venture. I'm about 8 sessions deep now (70/30 on a 14.375"/14.25"WB), and like you, I don't feel the itch to swap, and they're still stock.

Not saying they're the end all be all or best for any of you, but it's nice to not have to sweat anything when riding as they hit all my needs. Not even sure I'd bite on hollow hangers...with that out of they way I can safely focus my OCD towards decks again.
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Great, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet.
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Same I have a set in my cart right now... So tempted
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Black Friday is coming up, if you aren't hard up for them just wait it out and save the few dollars.

This^^^^ sales are coming up^^^^

Edit- just to add, since there are so many variables in trucks ( rider weight, concave, WB, tightness preferences,wheel size etc…) these probably aren’t ever going to be loose and carvey like an ACE, but they will carve minus the loose part. They also won’t be for everyone. They remind me of Theeves more than anything. It took me only 1/2 session and one carve slam to get used to them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 11, 2021, 08:08:08 AM
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About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
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By all accounts I'm riding them tighter than I would with other trucks...and now the 'wobble' to get on center is gone and I can still swerve/carve just fine; and while I still wheelbite, it's nowhere near like it is for me on Thunder or Venture. I'm about 8 sessions deep now (70/30 on a 14.375"/14.25"WB), and like you, I don't feel the itch to swap, and they're still stock.

Not saying they're the end all be all or best for any of you, but it's nice to not have to sweat anything when riding as they hit all my needs. Not even sure I'd bite on hollow hangers...with that out of they way I can safely focus my OCD towards decks again.
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Great, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet.
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Same I have a set in my cart right now... So tempted
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Black Friday is coming up, if you aren't hard up for them just wait it out and save the few dollars.
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This^^^^ sales are coming up^^^^

Edit- just to add, since there are so many variables in trucks ( rider weight, concave, WB, tightness preferences,wheel size etc…) these probably aren’t ever going to be loose and carvey like an ACE, but they will carve minus the loose part. They also won’t be for everyone. They remind me of Theeves more than anything. It took me only 1/2 session and one carve slam to get used to them.
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About 5 sessions deep and I’m still skating them. They aren’t loose and they feel like a tight truck but they turn. It’s weird.
Grind feel is great, I can wheelbite them standing still but not skating. This is the longest I’ve made it with a different truck setup since I switched to Aces years ago…
Just throwing it out there.
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By all accounts I'm riding them tighter than I would with other trucks...and now the 'wobble' to get on center is gone and I can still swerve/carve just fine; and while I still wheelbite, it's nowhere near like it is for me on Thunder or Venture. I'm about 8 sessions deep now (70/30 on a 14.375"/14.25"WB), and like you, I don't feel the itch to swap, and they're still stock.

Not saying they're the end all be all or best for any of you, but it's nice to not have to sweat anything when riding as they hit all my needs. Not even sure I'd bite on hollow hangers...with that out of they way I can safely focus my OCD towards decks again.
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Great, I can feel the money loosening from my wallet.
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Same I have a set in my cart right now... So tempted
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Black Friday is coming up, if you aren't hard up for them just wait it out and save the few dollars.

Good advice (even tho I just bought shit I wasn't hard up for ;) )
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on November 11, 2021, 08:14:07 AM
Maybe I'm trippin', but 2 sessions in on 149's (ikp) and I get pure Venture vibes on the turn. No twitch whatsoever, fairly broad. Although, unlike Venture they don't get hard at the end of the turn, it's pretty consistent until wheel bite (so maybe a bit of an Ace "feel" to the tilt). They can get super loose if you want them to. Bushing are weird in that they feel hard to the touch but skate soft, I ride medium-loose, will be interesting to see how they break in.

I got +3.0" wheel base at 360 grams, (kinda bummed they weren't 350).

Tried to measure height of all 4 axles and got 50, 52, 51, 51.

Edit: got +3.125 on a new board, don't listen to me.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 11, 2021, 11:45:07 AM
https://youtu.be/1v4RZG0YAqY
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 11, 2021, 05:51:20 PM
Forgot it was Vet's day (here's to all of you vet's out there) and the DMV was closed, so here's a shitty clip for ya...apologies for the speed, and lack of shirt, this was right after the gym and first try :P Not captured: B/S 50-50 impossible out (it was also sloppy and gross).

The royals are still doing me right.

https://youtu.be/xyq7c78zp4M
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 11, 2021, 07:30:31 PM
Forgot it was Vet's day (here's to all of you vet's out there) and the DMV was closed, so here's a shitty clip for ya...apologies for the speed, and lack of shirt, this was right after the gym and first try :P Not captured: B/S 50-50 impossible out (it was also sloppy and gross).

The royals are still doing me right.

https://youtu.be/xyq7c78zp4M

No please, do go on.....

Definitely waiting for a pair to turn up on sale. I haven't even tried skating my ML trucks and I'm already eyeing a new pair, fickle me.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: pointandclick on November 11, 2021, 08:08:21 PM
love vincent alvarez but the filming was not so good.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on November 11, 2021, 08:23:17 PM
Well fuck. I got them in the cart waiting for a sale to hit.  Tactics has them listed as forged are they all forged? Are pals leaning more towards IKP than standard king pin? 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on November 14, 2021, 04:26:58 AM
I'm gonna try these once I get the chance, if they shit out I will report back.

Well fuck. I got them in the cart waiting for a sale to hit.  Tactics has them listed as forged are they all forged? Are pals leaning more towards IKP than standard king pin?

I'm gonna go IKP so i can do the krux swap with basically no effort
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2021, 06:38:32 PM
Well fuck. I got them in the cart waiting for a sale to hit.  Tactics has them listed as forged are they all forged? Are pals leaning more towards IKP than standard king pin? 

Given the rough look of the casting, it's hard to tell if they are forged or not. Given the plate design, I'm going to say Cast.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on November 15, 2021, 06:34:50 AM
Can we get some additional visual AIDS in this thread
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 15, 2021, 06:02:52 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWTm1CBvFy4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/catpage-LPBESTSELL.html

The Royal Inverted is listed as a bestseller (despite only launching a week ago) and the IKP model $40 if you want to try a pair.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Royalty on November 18, 2021, 11:13:55 AM
I got the madness so bad I made this account just to provide the information I was desperately searching for.

They have a the stability feeling of a venture with an ace-like turn. The pinch I would say is closest to an Indy which I’ve never struggled with. That makes sense considering my axle-to-axle wb is ~17.125, averaged out from measuring both sides when the trucks were new and after my two sessions on them. The grind feels similar to an Indy metal, but due to the shape a more thunder lock in. I think they nailed it with the 52mm height for me and my sub-52mm classics. Bushings broke in right away, and tightened a bit with use. I kept them factory tightness and they were perfectly even back and front. The best part is, the baseplate grinds like an Indy/venture/ace. When they come out with the hollows and lights I’m certain I will become a lifer. Only negative think I can think of is the mayonnaise jar sized amount of lube they put in the pivot cups. My first slappy and it flew out like a cumshot and landed on my hanger haha. Feel free to ask questions or if you want more pictures, I’ll do my best. Cheers!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on November 18, 2021, 11:29:26 AM
Forgot it was Vet's day (here's to all of you vet's out there) and the DMV was closed, so here's a shitty clip for ya...apologies for the speed, and lack of shirt, this was right after the gym and first try :P Not captured: B/S 50-50 impossible out (it was also sloppy and gross).

The royals are still doing me right.

https://youtu.be/xyq7c78zp4M
Chill out Biebel.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Royalty on November 18, 2021, 11:34:39 AM
The requested visual aids:

(https://i.ibb.co/t2kSPyr/22-D52953-E0-D9-4-E8-B-9-B68-5-F5150-C6-EA4-A.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/fSDmv6d/E8414643-B670-48-E9-8175-21-D48726-A2-FF.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/jvgCmqZ/4522-EB6-B-E3-A9-4-E6-F-99-DC-F730-C606-D344.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DVXPtKQ/7-D65-F348-CD5-E-4843-B9-DD-D2-EB7-F42-B68-A.jpg)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on November 18, 2021, 12:12:34 PM
Anybody know if they're planning a hollow version?
Might be to heavy for baby me, used to thunder titaniums
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Royalty on November 18, 2021, 12:35:28 PM
Anybody know if they're planning a hollow version?
Might be to heavy for baby me, used to thunder titaniums

On their website they mention these iterations are 25% lighter, but they did mention the hollows are even lighter, but those aren’t available yet. I’m coming from titanium thunders too, with bones bushings and no washers so I was worried about the weight, but the reduction in wheelbase more than makes up for the weight change as they’re much more maneuverable and make the front of your deck feel much lighter when popping. Easier to rotate for tres too ;)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on November 18, 2021, 03:07:55 PM
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Anybody know if they're planning a hollow version?
Might be to heavy for baby me, used to thunder titaniums
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Thanks for your effective wb measurement! What’s the wb on that board? Looking for the + number

As an example, if the wb of the board is 14, and the effective is 17.125, the trucks are adding 3.125.

Please thanks

On their website they mention these iterations are 25% lighter, but they did mention the hollows are even lighter, but those aren’t available yet. I’m coming from titanium thunders too, with bones bushings and no washers so I was worried about the weight, but the reduction in wheelbase more than makes up for the weight change as they’re much more maneuverable and make the front of your deck feel much lighter when popping. Easier to rotate for tres too ;)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on November 18, 2021, 07:24:29 PM
The requested visual aids:

(https://i.ibb.co/t2kSPyr/22-D52953-E0-D9-4-E8-B-9-B68-5-F5150-C6-EA4-A.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/fSDmv6d/E8414643-B670-48-E9-8175-21-D48726-A2-FF.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/jvgCmqZ/4522-EB6-B-E3-A9-4-E6-F-99-DC-F730-C606-D344.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DVXPtKQ/7-D65-F348-CD5-E-4843-B9-DD-D2-EB7-F42-B68-A.jpg)

Thanks, they look good. I'm a fan of any stock inverted kingpin truck.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on November 18, 2021, 07:33:32 PM
I got the madness so bad I made this account just to provide the information I was desperately searching for.

They have a the stability feeling of a venture with an ace-like turn. The pinch I would say is closest to an Indy which I’ve never struggled with. That makes sense considering my axle-to-axle wb is ~17.125, averaged out from measuring both sides when the trucks were new and after my two sessions on them. The grind feels similar to an Indy metal, but due to the shape a more thunder lock in. I think they nailed it with the 52mm height for me and my sub-52mm classics. Bushings broke in right away, and tightened a bit with use. I kept them factory tightness and they were perfectly even back and front. The best part is, the baseplate grinds like an Indy/venture/ace. When they come out with the hollows and lights I’m certain I will become a lifer. Only negative think I can think of is the mayonnaise jar sized amount of lube they put in the pivot cups. My first slappy and it flew out like a cumshot and landed on my hanger haha. Feel free to ask questions or if you want more pictures, I’ll do my best. Cheers!

Creating an account on skateboarding's most hostile message board just to talk about experience with these trucks? Averaging out the wheelbase on 2 sides?

You'll fit right in - glad I ordered a pair during the SWH sale the other day.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: STAH on November 19, 2021, 01:39:11 AM
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I got the madness so bad I made this account just to provide the information I was desperately searching for.

They have a the stability feeling of a venture with an ace-like turn. The pinch I would say is closest to an Indy which I’ve never struggled with. That makes sense considering my axle-to-axle wb is ~17.125, averaged out from measuring both sides when the trucks were new and after my two sessions on them. The grind feels similar to an Indy metal, but due to the shape a more thunder lock in. I think they nailed it with the 52mm height for me and my sub-52mm classics. Bushings broke in right away, and tightened a bit with use. I kept them factory tightness and they were perfectly even back and front. The best part is, the baseplate grinds like an Indy/venture/ace. When they come out with the hollows and lights I’m certain I will become a lifer. Only negative think I can think of is the mayonnaise jar sized amount of lube they put in the pivot cups. My first slappy and it flew out like a cumshot and landed on my hanger haha. Feel free to ask questions or if you want more pictures, I’ll do my best. Cheers!
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Creating an account on skateboarding's most hostile message board just to talk about experience with these trucks? Averaging out the wheelbase on 2 sides?

You'll fit right in - glad I ordered a pair during the SWH sale the other day.


WELCOME FRIEND!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 19, 2021, 07:07:53 AM
Weird, my cups were bone dry. Also, perhaps I ride looser, but my stock bushing didn't seem to stiffen up at all, inf fact, I was tightening them for around 4 sessions before they stabilized.

Still stock and still having a blast on them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Candied cigarettes on November 19, 2021, 01:51:27 PM
Forgot it was Vet's day (here's to all of you vet's out there) and the DMV was closed, so here's a shitty clip for ya...apologies for the speed, and lack of shirt, this was right after the gym and first try :P Not captured: B/S 50-50 impossible out (it was also sloppy and gross).

The royals are still doing me right.

https://youtu.be/xyq7c78zp4M

Good shit dude, got any tips on shuv out of slappy krooks? Been trying for a bit and can’t get the shuv to stay under me
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 19, 2021, 02:22:26 PM
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Forgot it was Vet's day (here's to all of you vet's out there) and the DMV was closed, so here's a shitty clip for ya...apologies for the speed, and lack of shirt, this was right after the gym and first try :P Not captured: B/S 50-50 impossible out (it was also sloppy and gross).

The royals are still doing me right.

https://youtu.be/xyq7c78zp4M
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Good shit dude, got any tips on shuv out of slappy krooks? Been trying for a bit and can’t get the shuv to stay under me

Thanks man! That was my first day trying, I've get them locked now, fast and long as I'm now sitting on top (don't forget to look down at your foot). For the record, I can 270ish out of nose slides so this was just a slight muscle memory modification (been trying those out of krooks starting yesterday, all of two tries.

Getting into them (I know, not what you are asking) was to get my foot in the krook spot before the slap, then just a little nudge, halfway to slapping into a nose slide) and really light on my back foot (more on that below) and the truck just locks in; the shuv I figured out by using the way I bail coming out 180 (not as fun).

Since it's a crook, you are already 45 degrees into the shove, if you look at the vid at like 00:00:02, I start to turn out of the krook a bit, like I'm planning to coming out 180, it almost goes to noseslide, I give it just a little nudge forward/outward with my back foot (my back foot is already in the pocket, with a little toe hang, and I am on the ball of my foot already, it's not even close to an actual shuv effort, again just a little nudge, followed by some position compensating/slight sex change stance shuffle.

Watch it at 0.25% speed and you'll see the back foot does most of the work as far as effort, front foot just a bit of twist, from there I just rotate to the right to catch it.

Put your hands flat on a table, left hand more forward than the right (krook stance), simultaneously move the left hand back, right hand forward.



Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Candied cigarettes on November 20, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
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Forgot it was Vet's day (here's to all of you vet's out there) and the DMV was closed, so here's a shitty clip for ya...apologies for the speed, and lack of shirt, this was right after the gym and first try :P Not captured: B/S 50-50 impossible out (it was also sloppy and gross).

The royals are still doing me right.

https://youtu.be/xyq7c78zp4M
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Good shit dude, got any tips on shuv out of slappy krooks? Been trying for a bit and can’t get the shuv to stay under me
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Thanks man! That was my first day trying, I've get them locked now, fast and long as I'm now sitting on top (don't forget to look down at your foot). For the record, I can 270ish out of nose slides so this was just a slight muscle memory modification (been trying those out of krooks starting yesterday, all of two tries.

Getting into them (I know, not what you are asking) was to get my foot in the krook spot before the slap, then just a little nudge, halfway to slapping into a nose slide) and really light on my back foot (more on that below) and the truck just locks in; the shuv I figured out by using the way I bail coming out 180 (not as fun).

Since it's a crook, you are already 45 degrees into the shove, if you look at the vid at like 00:00:02, I start to turn out of the krook a bit, like I'm planning to coming out 180, it almost goes to noseslide, I give it just a little nudge forward/outward with my back foot (my back foot is already in the pocket, with a little toe hang, and I am on the ball of my foot already, it's not even close to an actual shuv effort, again just a little nudge, followed by some position compensating/slight sex change stance shuffle.

Thanks for the full on explanation!! I watched this a bunch of times and it really seems like I need to focus less on my feet and more on my shoulders to get the shuv out (I can slappy front nose slide shuv out, and that’s what helped with that one- different for sure but it looks like you do something similar). Gonna go to the curb spot soon and see if I can get this. I’m sure it’ll click eventually

Watch it at 0.25% speed and you'll see the back foot does most of the work as far as effort, front foot just a bit of twist, from there I just rotate to the right to catch it.

Put your hands flat on a table, left hand more forward than the right (krook stance), simultaneously move the left hand back, right hand forward.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Rattus Localis on December 02, 2021, 05:31:12 PM
Now that we're a few weeks in, how are everyone's Royals holding up?

I'm about to size back down to an 8 from 8.25 and am very close to snagging some Royal 139s today, while the Cyber week sales are still going.

I do have an old set of bog standard Indy 139s but I think they're gonna feel too tall, and these seem to tick all the boxes.

SHOULD I COMMIT?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 02, 2021, 06:26:05 PM
Now that we're a few weeks in, how are everyone's Royals holding up?

I'm about to size back down to an 8 from 8.25 and am very close to snagging some Royal 139s today, while the Cyber week sales are still going.

I do have an old set of bog standard Indy 139s but I think they're gonna feel too tall, and these seem to tick all the boxes.

SHOULD I COMMIT?

If you posted here you already know the answer.

Where did you see deals on this truck?

Edit: mine are still 2 weeks out but I'm a total sucker for marketing, so i got a pair of the IKP
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Rattus Localis on December 02, 2021, 08:45:07 PM
https://www.boardersonline.com.au/royal-standard-raw-skateboard-trucks

This Aussie shop is still doing 20 percent off for cyber week.

Just looking at the pics, the hanger looks kind of different. Or maybe I'm overanalysing it. Can anyone confirm these are the new ones? I don't want to end up with the old model.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 02, 2021, 08:58:22 PM
https://www.boardersonline.com.au/royal-standard-raw-skateboard-trucks

This Aussie shop is still doing 20 percent off for cyber week.

Just looking at the pics, the hanger looks kind of different. Or maybe I'm overanalysing it. Can anyone confirm these are the new ones? I don't want to end up with the old model.


The lighting on the hanger is weird, I think that's what you are seeing. The marketing attached to that image is for sure for the new model.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 02, 2021, 08:59:12 PM
https://www.boardersonline.com.au/royal-standard-raw-skateboard-trucks

This Aussie shop is still doing 20 percent off for cyber week.

Just looking at the pics, the hanger looks kind of different. Or maybe I'm overanalysing it. Can anyone confirm these are the new ones? I don't want to end up with the old model.

Can't say for sure since you can't see the bushing color. Old ones are black, new ones are a deep blue.

Best to give them a call or DM them to verify. I would be pissed too if I got a pair of the old ones.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Rattus Localis on December 02, 2021, 09:35:08 PM
Many thanks gents, I think I'm just gonna say "fuck it" and pull the trigger.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GBLange on December 02, 2021, 10:12:23 PM
nice to know that the inverted version comes in 159 size..
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 03, 2021, 06:45:36 AM
RTR2050-501 code used on https://www.boardersonline.com.au/royal-standard-raw-skateboard-trucks

Bring up the new royal on other sites. I'd still call/dm them to be make sure.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on December 05, 2021, 01:01:08 PM
Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on December 05, 2021, 01:36:31 PM
Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.

The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on December 05, 2021, 02:07:10 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
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The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?

Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on December 05, 2021, 05:18:37 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
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The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
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Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well

For what it's worth, I'm one of the few that liked the old version (still haven't tried the new ones). If you want a low, surfy truck, they're great. Never had a problem with them. They feel great on a DLX 8.06 (or something else with a 14.38-14.5 WB). The only reason I retired mine is cus I started skating shorter boards and couldn't find one with a WB that paired well with them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2021, 05:47:38 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
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The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
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Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well

Sorry to hear that my dude, got myself a pair from Skate Warehouse that are landing today, hopefully they didn't screw me on this one.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on December 05, 2021, 07:21:35 PM
I got a ikp set from tactics with the %20 off deal.  149’s.  They arrived quickly and are the new ones…. Haven’t set them up yet because I just swapped my ventures for thunders and am liking them so don’t want to change again so soon.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on December 05, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
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The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
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Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well
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For what it's worth, I'm one of the few that liked the old version (still haven't tried the new ones). If you want a low, surfy truck, they're great. Never had a problem with them. They feel great on a DLX 8.06 (or something else with a 14.38-14.5 WB). The only reason I retired mine is cus I started skating shorter boards and couldn't find one with a WB that paired well with them.

Thanks! Yeah, I'll try them out. I usually ride shorter wheelbases but it's not the end of the world, I just got sparked off reading the comments in this thread. If I don't like them, there's always some organizations here that are looking for spare parts for kids' completes, so it's never a total loss.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2021, 07:40:59 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
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The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
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Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well
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For what it's worth, I'm one of the few that liked the old version (still haven't tried the new ones). If you want a low, surfy truck, they're great. Never had a problem with them. They feel great on a DLX 8.06 (or something else with a 14.38-14.5 WB). The only reason I retired mine is cus I started skating shorter boards and couldn't find one with a WB that paired well with them.
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Thanks! Yeah, I'll try them out. I usually ride shorter wheelbases but it's not the end of the world, I just got sparked off reading the comments in this thread. If I don't like them, there's always some organizations here that are looking for spare parts for kids' completes, so it's never a total loss.

I was going to suggest sending them back for a refund, but your donation idea is way better.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on December 05, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
[close]

The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
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Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well
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For what it's worth, I'm one of the few that liked the old version (still haven't tried the new ones). If you want a low, surfy truck, they're great. Never had a problem with them. They feel great on a DLX 8.06 (or something else with a 14.38-14.5 WB). The only reason I retired mine is cus I started skating shorter boards and couldn't find one with a WB that paired well with them.

I liked the Royal fours. Had more than set, all were good. I’d skate them for sure, too into venture these days. I feel like the old ones (4s) were 50.5 mm tall (this is from memory and quite possibly bs), and the new ones are 52 mm tall. I prefer shorter, I think.
Not sure what effect either have on wb…I’ve skated aces, which have the least extension to the effective wb, on boards with short wheelbases, and had great results. I bring that up just to say is it’s never been that easy for to figure out what’s going to work
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 05, 2021, 10:59:38 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
[close]

The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
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Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well
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For what it's worth, I'm one of the few that liked the old version (still haven't tried the new ones). If you want a low, surfy truck, they're great. Never had a problem with them. They feel great on a DLX 8.06 (or something else with a 14.38-14.5 WB). The only reason I retired mine is cus I started skating shorter boards and couldn't find one with a WB that paired well with them.

Low, surfy and paired with a 14.3” wb is on point.

This is the longest run I’ve not swapped trucks since I first skated ACE.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on December 06, 2021, 12:24:07 AM
I got a ikp set from tactics with the %20 off deal.  149’s.  They arrived quickly and are the new ones…. Haven’t set them up yet because I just swapped my ventures for thunders and am liking them so don’t want to change again so soon.

No reason not to switch unless you really need the Thunder twitch. They're basically a surfy Thunder with better baseplate-to-wheel clearance. Or in other words, a better turning Venture with a more convenient wheelbase. If those brands were the last two you skated you will love the Royals, they nailed it with these.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 06, 2021, 01:28:36 AM
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I got a ikp set from tactics with the %20 off deal.  149’s.  They arrived quickly and are the new ones…. Haven’t set them up yet because I just swapped my ventures for thunders and am liking them so don’t want to change again so soon.
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No reason not to switch unless you really need the Thunder twitch. They're basically a surfy Thunder with better baseplate-to-wheel clearance. Or in other words, a better turning Venture with a more convenient wheelbase. If those brands were the last two you skated you will love the Royals, they nailed it with these.

Mine were supposed to be delivered today but got reschedule till tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17KmNrG9pE4
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on December 06, 2021, 01:57:36 AM
Oh you motherfuckers.

I was doing sooo good too.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on December 06, 2021, 02:23:25 AM
My biggest reason to wait is the pop feel.
I really like the long wheelbase feel of venture and thunder for the feel of my tail/nose hitting and tipping point.
How is the pop feel compared to these?
Independent feels off to me…..
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I got a ikp set from tactics with the %20 off deal.  149’s.  They arrived quickly and are the new ones…. Haven’t set them up yet because I just swapped my ventures for thunders and am liking them so don’t want to change again so soon.
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No reason not to switch unless you really need the Thunder twitch. They're basically a surfy Thunder with better baseplate-to-wheel clearance. Or in other words, a better turning Venture with a more convenient wheelbase. If those brands were the last two you skated you will love the Royals, they nailed it with these.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on December 06, 2021, 07:05:18 AM
My biggest reason to wait is the pop feel.
I really like the long wheelbase feel of venture and thunder for the feel of my tail/nose hitting and tipping point.
How is the pop feel compared to these?
Independent feels off to me…..
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I got a ikp set from tactics with the %20 off deal.  149’s.  They arrived quickly and are the new ones…. Haven’t set them up yet because I just swapped my ventures for thunders and am liking them so don’t want to change again so soon.
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No reason not to switch unless you really need the Thunder twitch. They're basically a surfy Thunder with better baseplate-to-wheel clearance. Or in other words, a better turning Venture with a more convenient wheelbase. If those brands were the last two you skated you will love the Royals, they nailed it with these.
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Wheelbase and height and thus pop-feel match up most closely with Thunder as far as I can tell. Only reason to stick to Thunders is that ultra responsive turn, or if the idea of more wheel clearance on nose/tail slides has no appeal to you. I don’t see a reason to skate Ventures any more quite frankly. Not to mention the Royal bushings are way better than either of those brands.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on December 06, 2021, 08:25:43 AM
Oh you motherfuckers.

I was doing sooo good too.

What have you been staying on?
I’ve been all venture. And it’s gonna stay that way.





But I could try these.
Maybe.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 06, 2021, 08:31:13 AM
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Oh you motherfuckers.

I was doing sooo good too.
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What have you been staying on?
I’ve been all venture. And it’s gonna stay that way.





But I could try these.
Maybe.

Previous few pages laid out some solid arguments for the new Royal trucks - comparable to a Thunder Std in weight, turns like an Indy and pinches like a Thunder. I would like a slightly lower trucks but at 52mm it ain't too bad.

The regular version is the same price a Thunder / Indy STD, give it a few more days and you'll be able to pick one up for Xmas on discount. It was a gift from yourself, to yourself, for being to good for sticking to just 1 pair of trucks for so long!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on December 06, 2021, 03:28:42 PM
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Fuck, I recently bought a pair thinking they were the new ones, but apparently they have black bushings so they're the crappy old ones.

I'll still try to skate them and see how they feel. I switched up the pivot cups and the bushings, so maybe that'll make a difference.
[close]

The black ones have black bushings I think. Do the baseplates say royal on both sides, or do they have two parallel lines on one side?
[close]

Two parallel lines on one side. Looks like the new ones say royal on both sides. Man, this is the problem with online shopping, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting all the time. Ah well
[close]

For what it's worth, I'm one of the few that liked the old version (still haven't tried the new ones). If you want a low, surfy truck, they're great. Never had a problem with them. They feel great on a DLX 8.06 (or something else with a 14.38-14.5 WB). The only reason I retired mine is cus I started skating shorter boards and couldn't find one with a WB that paired well with them.
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Thanks! Yeah, I'll try them out. I usually ride shorter wheelbases but it's not the end of the world, I just got sparked off reading the comments in this thread. If I don't like them, there's always some organizations here that are looking for spare parts for kids' completes, so it's never a total loss.

For shits and giggles I put them on my current 8.18 chocolate deck with a 14" WB and it actually feels pretty nice. Pushed around the backyard during a break from work and pop shuvs, 180s, and simple grinds all came pretty fast despite this being a pretty short WB compared to what I've been skating (slightly under 17" total, I'm used to 17.25-17.38ish).

Give them a shot and keep an open mind. They're not by any means the best trucks or even my favorite trucks, but I'm happy with them and they fill a gap that isn't covered by other trucks (low, surfy, responsive).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2021, 04:51:15 PM
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Oh you motherfuckers.

I was doing sooo good too.
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What have you been staying on?
I’ve been all venture. And it’s gonna stay that way.

But I could try these.
Maybe.
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Previous few pages laid out some solid arguments for the new Royal trucks - comparable to a Thunder Std in weight, turns like an Indy and pinches like a Thunder. I would like a slightly lower trucks but at 52mm it ain't too bad.

The regular version is the same price a Thunder / Indy STD, give it a few more days and you'll be able to pick one up for Xmas on discount. It was a gift from yourself, to yourself, for being to good for sticking to just 1 pair of trucks for so long!

I should have bit on the BF deals but now I must wait for the XMas sales; contemplating 8.75"s for a curb board since 8.5" seems to be my goto popsicle board for now.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: toe_knee on December 06, 2021, 06:17:08 PM
Fuck, I am getting to the axle on my ventures and they are flaking…..looks like I’m getting a pair of royals
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 07, 2021, 12:16:02 AM
Mine just landed but I'm only going to be able to skate them this weekend. Got the IKP version because I'm worth it.

139 IKP - 347g
144 IKP - 354g
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on December 07, 2021, 03:11:00 AM
I got 149 ikp
I weighed them at 360 grams

Mine just landed but I'm only going to be able to skate them this weekend. Got the IKP version because I'm worth it.

139 IKP - 347g
144 IKP - 354g
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Boog on December 07, 2021, 08:22:55 AM
Fuck, I am getting to the axle on my ventures and they are flaking…..looks like I’m getting a pair of royals
Get a pair of the doom Lucien Clark ventures instead.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 01:09:43 PM
If someone buys these and sends them to me, I will ride them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: AxelSlip on December 07, 2021, 01:26:33 PM
If someone buys these and sends them to me, I will ride them.
Bro how about you ask Santa for $40 and get 'em yourself?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 01:33:05 PM
Have you read through this thread?
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Post by: AxelSlip on December 07, 2021, 01:39:15 PM
Have you read through this thread?
Yes
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on December 07, 2021, 01:58:30 PM
Yeah and if anyone wants to buy me some Venture, send them to me and I will ride them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 02:07:12 PM
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Have you read through this thread?
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Yes

Was the schoolbus you rode to school shorter than normal? Do the books you read still primarily have pictures?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: PuffinMuffin on December 07, 2021, 03:03:59 PM
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Have you read through this thread?
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Yes
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Was the schoolbus you rode to school shorter than normal? Do the books you read still primarily have pictures?

Damn dude, talk shit all you want about the trucks but insinuating someone is special needs is hella tawdry and reinforces negative stereotypes about the mentally disabled. We can do better.

BRB while I find a prolapse to post.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on December 07, 2021, 04:17:00 PM
Yeah and if anyone wants to buy me some Caliper 3s, send them to me and I will ride them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 07, 2021, 05:21:59 PM
Yeah and if anyone wants to buy me some Caliper 3s, send them to me and I will ride them

Caliber, show our GOAT @Lhotse some fucking respect
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
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Was the schoolbus you rode to school shorter than normal? Do the books you read still primarily have pictures?
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Damn dude, talk shit all you want about the trucks but insinuating someone is special needs is hella tawdry and reinforces negative stereotypes about the mentally disabled. We can do better.

BRB while I find a prolapse to post.

I sorta get what you're getting at, but please correct me if I am wrong: is it not true that many mentally disabled individuals are required to take different transport and also tend to be less advanced along the reading comprehension spectrum? I'm not talking about neurotypical types who are the complete opposite.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: AxelSlip on December 07, 2021, 06:48:52 PM
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Was the schoolbus you rode to school shorter than normal? Do the books you read still primarily have pictures?
You're such a twat I felt the need to make an account to say it to your face. But it makes me wonder if the picture of me taking the short bus and being slightly autistic turns you on.

Just like you trying out these new Royals, we'll never know.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2021, 10:08:09 PM
Nice life that you get so mad at a stranger on a thread about skateboard trucks that you made an account to post a reply that might be an insult to an 11 year old. Not only did you take a joke wayyyy too seriously, you legit felt compelled to go through the entire account creation process to vent the anger.

Note: I'm fully autistic and given that the diagnosis has such a wide spectrum don't consider it a learning disability for me and is perhaps the sole reason I am good at my job.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on December 07, 2021, 10:15:58 PM
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Was the schoolbus you rode to school shorter than normal? Do the books you read still primarily have pictures?
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Damn dude, talk shit all you want about the trucks but insinuating someone is special needs is hella tawdry and reinforces negative stereotypes about the mentally disabled. We can do better.

BRB while I find a prolapse to post.

Yeah and if anyone wants to buy me some Caliper 3s,send them to me and I will ride them

@Ghotse?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 08, 2021, 07:44:27 AM
Would gnar you for that if I could
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 11, 2021, 07:41:58 AM
One of you has to be mad enough to try it by now and answer my question:
Can you put thunder hangers on the royal ikp baseplate?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 11, 2021, 10:02:26 AM
One of you has to be mad enough to try it by now and answer my question:
Can you put thunder hangers on the royal ikp baseplate?

If I ever take mine apart (still stock!) I'll let you know ;)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 11, 2021, 02:50:33 PM
Got my first session in on them yesterday and I love them.

Biggest surprise was the bushing which felt broken in almost immediately at factory tightness. I wasn't wobbling uncontrollably or completely stiff during that first push down the street.

Stability was really good too, but anything feels stable after the squirmy Mini Logo trucks. Pop of my switch tricks was much more controlled.

Pinched great on grinds, not Venture Lo good but close to Thunder.

No problems with the weight, 354g for the 144 IKP. Going down a few grams would have put this into S-Tier category.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on December 11, 2021, 03:54:42 PM
I haven’t skated mine yet but I did compare the hangers and baseplates with others and the closest swap was with ventures.
With that I know venture and thunders will not swap between at all so the royals most likely will not work with thunder.
Another trucks that swaps with ventures well is the tensor atg’s…..
One of you has to be mad enough to try it by now and answer my question:
Can you put thunder hangers on the royal ikp baseplate?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 11, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
Skating my set of 149s with the inverted kingpin.
I mostly skate curbs.
I did notice as mention before that they’re like Ventures and Thunders. I skated them and they do feel great stock. Although a clear amount slower than thunders but faster than Ventures, almost like the Krux K5. They made my board feel longer which was interesting.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 11, 2021, 11:42:05 PM
1 area that could use improvement would be the baseplate, I prefer a beefy one like Venture has. Royal has their angled in too much so it doesn't contact as nicely against the ledge, end up sliding on the thinnest part.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fs_smith_98 on December 12, 2021, 05:28:27 AM
Doing my report-duty for the guys on here that suffer from the madness as i do (stay strong boys one day we'll find the perfect trucks and be free from this curse). I'm skating the new royals 144 ikp since two weeks now. I'm skating them on a 14.25 wb skate cafe deck, 8.25, and the wheelbase with the trucks on is 17.3 (+3,05) (from what i've measured), so less then thunders and venture but more than aces, i think a little more than indys also (?). Height is 52mm. I would describe them as thunders with a bit less wb and with a more surfy turn. Pop and pinch is very similar, but yeah the turn feels more surfy (especially in winter, thunders bushings fucking freeze in winter). It was a kinda a "2steps" turn at the beginning but once they broke in it felt more natural. Coming from ace af1 yeah the turn isn't THAT good but still very satisfing, but they feel better for tech stuff, at least for me. They do get very loose if you want, and i do skate them that way. Metal seems a bit softer than thunders and ventures, but not as much as ace classics, good grind anyway. They also feel pretty lightweight, but nothing crazy. My only little issue is that if you keep them loose over a certain point, the kingpin will start to loosen itself, so you have to readjust them every now and then, but i guess that's the inverted kingpin life (first set of ikp i've ever owned). Unless they will fucking explode out of nowhere in the next weeks i'm very very happy with them, they seem a solid well-made truck. I've always gone back and forth between thunders (for the tech) and aces (for the surfiness) and these hit a pretty sweet spot for my needs.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 14, 2021, 11:34:27 AM
I'm thinking about these trucks every single day and it's driving me mad. I'm considering buying them (currently -20% at my local) simply to stop thinking about them. I do not need trucks.
I'm trying to at least wait for a hollow version because they're way heavier than what I'm used to but I'm struggling.

So here's the question: Do you think I'm gonna regret NOT waiting for the hollows?
I'm used to thunder titaniums (Measured effective wheelbase at +3.18 and 305 g for mine).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 14, 2021, 11:40:28 AM
Hollows usually change the weight by 20g, so it won't be substantial honestly. Plates are where the weight realllllly drops.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Royalty on December 14, 2021, 01:35:58 PM
I'm thinking about these trucks every single day and it's driving me mad. I'm considering buying them (currently -20% at my local) simply to stop thinking about them. I do not need trucks.
I'm trying to at least wait for a hollow version because they're way heavier than what I'm used to but I'm struggling.


So here's the question: Do you think I'm gonna regret NOT waiting for the hollows?
I'm used to thunder titaniums (Measured effective wheelbase at +3.18 and 305 g for mine).

I came from 147 Thunder Titaniums, with bones mediums and no washers, which were ground down to a pulp so I had the very same concerns as you! I went with the 139 IKP and in all honesty the weight is barely noticeable as the reduction in wheelbase more than makes up for pop feel and lightness when lifting the nose. Besides that, my board doesn’t fly away in the wind and I can actually feel it slap the bottom of my feet when I catch a flip trick! Didn’t know what I was missing until I tried these bad boys, cured my madness! Plus if you’re worried about weight just do a few slappy a on your local chunky curb and you’ll be back to thunder titanium weight in no time :-)

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 14, 2021, 10:19:26 PM
I'm thinking about these trucks every single day and it's driving me mad. I'm considering buying them (currently -20% at my local) simply to stop thinking about them. I do not need trucks.
I'm trying to at least wait for a hollow version because they're way heavier than what I'm used to but I'm struggling.

So here's the question: Do you think I'm gonna regret NOT waiting for the hollows?
I'm used to thunder titaniums (Measured effective wheelbase at +3.18 and 305 g for mine).

I'm a weight whore (usually), Ti if it's an option, otherwise forged and hollow.

With the Royals, I don't seem to mind at all (but I did bump to an 8.5 so it's heavier over all anyway) and that was coming off 8.25s with either 148 team hollows or ti 144s (or Tensor ATG mags).

Honestly, unless it's Indy, I can get by with standard thunders/ventures/royals. Thunder forged hollows are stupid light and would only nab them in 149s+

If hollow forged royals ever see the light of day (dropping even lower) I'd bite.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on December 15, 2021, 05:20:11 PM
Looks like hollow versions already exist in Asia according to their IG stories, although I agree the weight of the standards are in a pretty sweet spot right between too light and too heavy.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: layzieyez on December 15, 2021, 07:13:29 PM
Anyone else try to use their krux IKP tool on their royals? Looks like it's a smaller Allen tool.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 15, 2021, 07:31:10 PM
dont skate royals but trucks in the 340-360g range have been my jam for a minute
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 15, 2021, 08:01:08 PM
Looks like hollow versions already exist in Asia according to their IG stories, although I agree the weight of the standards are in a pretty sweet spot right between too light and too heavy.

I was about to call BS then I saw their stories and they have an Ultralight version in Japan. Now I feel jilted.

Anyone else try to use their krux IKP tool on their royals? Looks like it's a smaller Allen tool.

Tried the Grind King one I've had for 20 years, no dice on the Royal trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on December 15, 2021, 11:04:48 PM
Hollows usually change the weight by 20g, so it won't be substantial honestly. Plates are where the weight realllllly drops.

Looks like hollow versions already exist in Asia according to their IG stories, although I agree the weight of the standards are in a pretty sweet spot right between too light and too heavy.

I took a look on IG and looks like the ultra lights are hollow kingpin and axle with the 139s being 88g lighter in total compared to the raws. My kanji is a little rusty so someone feel free to correct me if I'm off

Edit: 4th pic has a chart that shows a 60g difference

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXU72vWPgpk/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on December 16, 2021, 05:22:16 AM
Damn, debating between the hollows or the IKPs assuming I can get hollows in a 149. Only thing I'm worried about with IKPs is them loosening over time, though I never had that problem personally when I skated some krux downlows like 10 years ago so hopefully I wouldn't with these either
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: logjammin on December 16, 2021, 07:17:57 AM
Hollow axles sketch me out. Don't trust the strength cause I'm heavy. Hollow kingpins also seem stickier on grinds. Solid axles and kingpins all day.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 16, 2021, 08:32:14 AM
30g difference per truck is a hell of a lot of a weight drop, puts them in Thunder Lights territory.

I'm not mad, I'm impressed!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on December 16, 2021, 09:26:04 AM
Hollow axles sketch me out. Don't trust the strength cause I'm heavy. Hollow kingpins also seem stickier on grinds. Solid axles and kingpins all day.

Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 16, 2021, 10:43:46 AM
So there won't be any IKPs with hollow axles? That's what I'm looking for
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Post by: logjammin on December 16, 2021, 05:10:07 PM
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Hollow axles sketch me out. Don't trust the strength cause I'm heavy. Hollow kingpins also seem stickier on grinds. Solid axles and kingpins all day.
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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.

Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 16, 2021, 05:42:29 PM
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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
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Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.

Same, would like to read more on this.

What's the deal with Royal and Royal Japan having different release schedules? Are they different companies run independently? Would make more sense to release all 3 variants (Standard, IKP, Ultralight) in the US with a bigger market, or all 3 at 1 go since it was barely a month since the new model was released.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on December 16, 2021, 08:34:24 PM
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Hollow axles sketch me out. Don't trust the strength cause I'm heavy. Hollow kingpins also seem stickier on grinds. Solid axles and kingpins all day.
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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
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Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.
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Same, would like to read more on this.

What's the deal with Royal and Royal Japan having different release schedules? Are they different companies run independently? Would make more sense to release all 3 variants (Standard, IKP, Ultralight) in the US with a bigger market, or all 3 at 1 go since it was barely a month since the new model was released.

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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
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Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.

so i think it has to do with it being a ring and being able to bend, disperse the force and rebound vs a solid piece that is stiffer/more solid. for instance, metal baseball bats that aren't solid end up being a trampoline for the ball vs a wooden bat that compresses the ball more & end up with less help from the bat itself. sorry to baseball this up

edit: to add to the baseball bat example is how metal bats tend not to break as much as wooden ones when they are hit at weaker points
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: mzlzzz on December 17, 2021, 08:20:55 AM
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Hollow axles sketch me out. Don't trust the strength cause I'm heavy. Hollow kingpins also seem stickier on grinds. Solid axles and kingpins all day.
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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
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Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.
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Same, would like to read more on this.

What's the deal with Royal and Royal Japan having different release schedules? Are they different companies run independently? Would make more sense to release all 3 variants (Standard, IKP, Ultralight) in the US with a bigger market, or all 3 at 1 go since it was barely a month since the new model was released.
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Hollow axles sketch me out. Don't trust the strength cause I'm heavy. Hollow kingpins also seem stickier on grinds. Solid axles and kingpins all day.
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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
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Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.
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so i think it has to do with it being a ring and being able to bend, disperse the force and rebound vs a solid piece that is stiffer/more solid. for instance, metal baseball bats that aren't solid end up being a trampoline for the ball vs a wooden bat that compresses the ball more & end up with less help from the bat itself. sorry to baseball this up

edit: to add to the baseball bat example is how metal bats tend not to break as much as wooden ones when they are hit at weaker points

This is partially true.

A tube of the same diameter with the same material properties as a rod will not be as strong in bending or shear. There is just less material to address the same forces. Bending forces are equal parts tension and compression on opposite sides of the same shape, which are measured as force/area - PSI.  In the case of a rod (solid axle) or a tube (hollow axle) you have less area to deal with the same force - your ass stomping down on that puny piece of metal.

This is an oversimplification, but to explain why it's partially true.... if you take the amount of area of metal included in the rod and turn it into a larger diameter tube, you've taken the same material and pushed it farther away from the axis that separates the compression and tension forces comprising the bending force... it functions as an internal lever.

This internal lever is efficient to the 4th degree, meaning that for every unit of displacement you move the force, you've increased the efficiency of the material by a factor of 4 - the same material now uses it's geometry more efficiently. because of this, it is possible for a tube that is slightly larger, but with less material, to be as efficient as a rod. but, if the diameter is the same, the lever is the same.... so the only way for the rod and axle to be more efficient is through the amount of material, and it's properties.

That is a long-winded explanation, but the rules are simple. If the diameter and materials are the same, the solid shape will always be stronger than the hollow one because it can spread the force out over the increase in sectional area.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
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Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.
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Same, would like to read more on this.

What's the deal with Royal and Royal Japan having different release schedules? Are they different companies run independently? Would make more sense to release all 3 variants (Standard, IKP, Ultralight) in the US with a bigger market, or all 3 at 1 go since it was barely a month since the new model was released.
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Hollow axles sketch me out. Don't trust the strength cause I'm heavy. Hollow kingpins also seem stickier on grinds. Solid axles and kingpins all day.
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Hollow axles are stronger than than a solid axle of equivalent mass and material. In addition, a hollow axle is much more likely to rebound under extreme stress than a solid axle, which is more likely to break. Now obviously the mass of a hollow axle is nominally lower on a truck of the same size, and they could use shitty materials, but by and large no one need worry about the strength of hollow axles.
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Do you have some links you could post supporting this? Not asking in a dickhead way, just genuinely curious because in my mind it just doesn't make sense for something with less material in the center to be stronger.
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so i think it has to do with it being a ring and being able to bend, disperse the force and rebound vs a solid piece that is stiffer/more solid. for instance, metal baseball bats that aren't solid end up being a trampoline for the ball vs a wooden bat that compresses the ball more & end up with less help from the bat itself. sorry to baseball this up

edit: to add to the baseball bat example is how metal bats tend not to break as much as wooden ones when they are hit at weaker points
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This is partially true.

A tube of the same diameter with the same material properties as a rod will not be as strong in bending or shear. There is just less material to address the same forces. Bending forces are equal parts tension and compression on opposite sides of the same shape, which are measured as force/area - PSI.  In the case of a rod (solid axle) or a tube (hollow axle) you have less area to deal with the same force - your ass stomping down on that puny piece of metal.

This is an oversimplification, but to explain why it's partially true.... if you take the amount of area of metal included in the rod and turn it into a larger diameter tube, you've taken the same material and pushed it farther away from the axis that separates the compression and tension forces comprising the bending force... it functions as an internal lever.

This internal lever is efficient to the 4th degree, meaning that for every unit of displacement you move the force, you've increased the efficiency of the material by a factor of 4 - the same material now uses it's geometry more efficiently. because of this, it is possible for a tube that is slightly larger, but with less material, to be as efficient as a rod. but, if the diameter is the same, the lever is the same.... so the only way for the rod and axle to be more efficient is through the amount of material, and it's properties.

That is a long-winded explanation, but the rules are simple. If the diameter and materials are the same, the solid shape will always be stronger than the hollow one because it can spread the force out over the increase in sectional area.

rad, ty!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: logjammin on December 17, 2021, 01:18:08 PM
I'm going to guess truck companies aren't using any different or stronger material for the axles or kingpins, just the chromoly/steel. So they're charging extra for less strength and probably cheaper parts?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 17, 2021, 03:30:48 PM
w e i g h t   s a v i n g s
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 21, 2021, 01:36:51 PM
get hyped
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Candied cigarettes on December 21, 2021, 03:39:35 PM
get hyped

Came here to say this. I am hyped. Ben is dope as hell, love his videos.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
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Came here to say this. I am hyped. Ben is dope as hell, love his videos.

What a trooper, could have scored a free set but opt'd to own up to picking some up.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 21, 2021, 09:01:17 PM
Gives him free rein to talk shit about them if he doesn't like it. So far I'm really loving my pair, even at the standard weight.

Edit: so much for just sticking to 1 pair of trucks and giving the rest away, the madness never leaves!

Still miffed that Royal Japan got the super light versions exclusively while the rest of the world got the regular ones. I wonder if Royal and Royal Japan are the same company or loosely affiliated I'm a joint venture.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on December 21, 2021, 10:33:10 PM
get hyped

@crail I would love to have a review pair  8)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 23, 2021, 05:58:00 PM
Still miffed that Royal Japan got the super light versions exclusively while the rest of the world got the regular ones. I wonder if Royal and Royal Japan are the same company or loosely affiliated I'm a joint venture.

Really bizarre. Its either a logistics issue or, for some reason, Crail is catering to a market we don't know about.

I'd bet good money anyone in who picked up a pair, given the option would have probably opted for the hollows...especially seeing how rare the mindy hollows are.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 23, 2021, 07:09:44 PM
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Still miffed that Royal Japan got the super light versions exclusively while the rest of the world got the regular ones. I wonder if Royal and Royal Japan are the same company or loosely affiliated I'm a joint venture.
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Really bizarre. Its either a logistics issue or, for some reason, Crail is catering to a market we don't know about.

I'd bet good money anyone in who picked up a pair, given the option would have probably opted for the hollows...especially seeing how rare the mindy hollows are.

I have a friend in Japan now on holiday, hopefully he can pick up a pair for me. Downside is skate stuff there is insanely expensive, a pair of the Ultralights is around $80 which could get you a pair of Titaniums with any other brand.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 23, 2021, 09:18:41 PM
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Still miffed that Royal Japan got the super light versions exclusively while the rest of the world got the regular ones. I wonder if Royal and Royal Japan are the same company or loosely affiliated I'm a joint venture.
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Really bizarre. Its either a logistics issue or, for some reason, Crail is catering to a market we don't know about.

I'd bet good money anyone in who picked up a pair, given the option would have probably opted for the hollows...especially seeing how rare the mindy hollows are.
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I have a friend in Japan now on holiday, hopefully he can pick up a pair for me. Downside is skate stuff there is insanely expensive, a pair of the Ultralights is around $80 which could get you a pair of Titaniums with any other brand.

I'm ready for some Royal IKP Hollows tho =)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on December 24, 2021, 07:26:28 AM
Does anyone have a photo of the regular, non IKP versions that clearly shows the kingpin clearance? I'm curious how it is on the standard trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on December 24, 2021, 09:11:52 AM
What's the crook pinch like on these puppies?

I'm on venture low 5.2 at the moment so hard act to follow
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 24, 2021, 09:28:32 AM
What's the crook pinch like on these puppies?

I'm on venture low 5.2 at the moment so hard act to follow

If Venture 5.2 Lo is a 10, these are a solid 8.5 for me. The surfy turn compensate for the pinch. Slide performance just below Ventures because the baseplate is slightly recessed.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on December 24, 2021, 09:29:53 AM
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What's the crook pinch like on these puppies?

I'm on venture low 5.2 at the moment so hard act to follow
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If Venture 5.2 Lo is a 10, these are a solid 8.5 for me. The surfy turn compensate for the pinch. Slide performance just below Ventures because the baseplate is slightly recessed.

Perfect thank you

Gonna cop after Xmas
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 24, 2021, 11:01:29 AM
Apparently I talked so much about them, my girlfriend got me the 144 ikp for christmas. Hope they're really that good. The kingpin clearance is incredible.

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: layzieyez on December 24, 2021, 12:42:44 PM
Apparently I talked so much about them, my girlfriend got me the 144 ikp for christmas. Hope they're really that good. The kingpin clearance is incredible.

Merry Christmas!
Lucky! You'll enjoy them. Make sure your girl knows how much you appreciate her. She's a keeper.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 24, 2021, 10:54:09 PM
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Apparently I talked so much about them, my girlfriend got me the 144 ikp for christmas. Hope they're really that good. The kingpin clearance is incredible.

Merry Christmas!
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Lucky! You'll enjoy them. Make sure your girl knows how much you appreciate her. She's a keeper.

Damn! She's a keeper!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on January 13, 2022, 11:27:41 AM
Any early adopters of the new Royals care to share their experience now that they’ve been out a few months? You guys keep ‘em on and are still skating them or did you swap out? I’m on some Ventures now but sometimes they just feel a little too clunky. I’d go back to Thunders but I’m committed to skating 8” trucks lately and their 147 is too low and wheelbitey for my taste.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on January 13, 2022, 01:59:58 PM
Any early adopters of the new Royals care to share their experience now that they’ve been out a few months? You guys keep ‘em on and are still skating them or did you swap out? I’m on some Ventures now but sometimes they just feel a little too clunky. I’d go back to Thunders but I’m committed to skating 8” trucks lately and their 147 is too low and wheelbitey for my taste.

I love mine and wouldn’t trade them for anything, they are my dream combination of features/measurements. I’m just praying for no axle slip in the future.


Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on January 13, 2022, 02:43:30 PM
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Any early adopters of the new Royals care to share their experience now that they’ve been out a few months? You guys keep ‘em on and are still skating them or did you swap out? I’m on some Ventures now but sometimes they just feel a little too clunky. I’d go back to Thunders but I’m committed to skating 8” trucks lately and their 147 is too low and wheelbitey for my taste.
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I love mine and wouldn’t trade them for anything, they are my dream combination of features/measurements. I’m just praying for no axle slip in the future.

What are you skating them with? Width and wheelbase most importantly
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on January 13, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
I only skated mine for 10 minutes or so….
I’m used to Venture and Thunder pop and these feel like an Indy to me.
I’m 45 and enjoy ollieing fairly high still so can’t stand getting used to the quick pop and the different balance feel.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on January 13, 2022, 05:23:08 PM
On for about 2 months, used them for 2 decks and I still really like them. I avoided decks with WB longer than 14.25" which severely limited what decks I could ride, but the last 2 I rode (both 31.75", 14.25" / 14.38") have felt great on Royal. Weight gives you a hefty pop feel which I'm really enjoying, the Superlight version (JP only) would have been a great upgrade if you're into that tech stuff.

I'd recommend if if you want something that has the best bits of the Big 3 without excelling at any 1 area.
Surfy turn of an Indy
Nimbleness of a Thunder
Pinch and heft of a Venture
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on January 13, 2022, 10:04:06 PM
Appreciate the additional comments y’all. I’ll probably break and order some 139 soon because they do seem to have a lot of qualities I prefer in a truck
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on January 13, 2022, 11:09:19 PM
Appreciate the additional comments y’all. I’ll probably break and order some 139 soon because they do seem to have a lot of qualities I prefer in a truck

I can't think of any 1 thing I dislike about them, some wheelbite maybe.

The one thing that got my goat was them releasing the Ultralight version (hollow kingpin + axle) in Japan only a month after they global release. Why not release all 3 models (Std, IKP, Ultralight) at the same time globally? Unless Royal Japan is a separate company.

But trucks wise, solid product.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: fur lined sea on January 13, 2022, 11:14:23 PM
Currently skating Venture highs that are almost done. I've set my 144 Royals (standard kingpin) up on an 8.125 Workshop with 54mm wheels but I haven't really tested them yet. Just standing on them they feel pretty loose stock, but that just might be me after skating Ventures for a few years. I was skating Ace before that, however. The pop feels quick, so hopefully none of that ghost pop business with these.

I have high hopes for them (bought two more sets with end of year sales). I had a heap of Royals as a teen so even just the nostalgia might get me through three pairs.

I found stage 11 Indies too high and tippy. Thunders felt either too low or too far apart in terms of wheelbase. With Ace I started to feel some ghost pop like I did with Indies, but I had a good run with them. Ventures are fine (would've stuck with them if it weren't for these Royals) but sometimes I want to turn a bit more. I don't care for forged plates or risers, cast only.

I'll start skating mine soon and post in here again. Thanks to whoever posted those photos of the Hopps board with these Royals on, that sold me. I really like the look of them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on January 13, 2022, 11:43:36 PM
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Any early adopters of the new Royals care to share their experience now that they’ve been out a few months? You guys keep ‘em on and are still skating them or did you swap out? I’m on some Ventures now but sometimes they just feel a little too clunky. I’d go back to Thunders but I’m committed to skating 8” trucks lately and their 147 is too low and wheelbitey for my taste.
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I love mine and wouldn’t trade them for anything, they are my dream combination of features/measurements. I’m just praying for no axle slip in the future.
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What are you skating them with? Width and wheelbase most importantly

149's on 8.5" popsicle with 14.38WB. The bushings have stayed very consistent, no wear yet, and amazing cold weather performance. I'm curious the duro. The metal seems like it wears a little faster (like Ace), but the grind is really good. Mine also felt very loose when I stood on them at first, but now they feel medium about half turn past flush. Wheel bite is a bit like Thunder, it's a natural consequence of a lower height and a good turn. It's not really an issue for me, but if the main reason you don't like Thunder is the wheel bite then maybe these aren't the right choice, but I still think you're missing out.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on January 14, 2022, 04:07:52 AM
I think the earlier comment made fits my impressions.
If you like medium tight to tight trucks, go with thunder or venture…
If you like loose to medium give these a shot…

My older and heavier self needs tighter trucks and stability.  These felt very stable on center and turned really well.  I had to put bones hard in them for my preferred tightness.
The pop and tip point threw me off.  I think I’m just too used to the longer wheelbase feel of venture and thunder.
I am going to keep them around and try them again when I’m being less stubborn about switching things up…..

I really like the inverted kingpin design and wish I could buy those parts separately.  The pressed in nut in the baseplate keeps the kingpin completely stable and no need for epoxy……
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2022, 02:26:27 PM
Any early adopters of the new Royals care to share their experience now that they’ve been out a few months? You guys keep ‘em on and are still skating them or did you swap out? I’m on some Ventures now but sometimes they just feel a little too clunky. I’d go back to Thunders but I’m committed to skating 8” trucks lately and their 147 is too low and wheelbitey for my taste.

Still riding them, stock, since release. Haven't once thought about changing them out...except for the hopefully forthcoming Royal Ultra Lights (hollows) just to shave off a bit of weight since I'm on 149s...I've been tempted to pick up some 8.25". RULIKP!

Prior to skating them, I'd swap trucks out every couple of weeks...if not less than that...I've got a box of different size Indy/Thunder/Tensor/ACE collecting dust now...I did try a few of them on different set ups during sessions with the Royals, and man some of them, which will not be named, felt like complete trash in comparison...and it's not the ones you think; They really are that good: Tight truck stability and feel but actually turn and don't weigh 5lbs a truck...or wheelbite like crazy.

Skating 149's on an 8.5"x31.875" twin with a 14.33"(ish)WB.

Also, I have not had any build/durability issues with them, that includes the IKP loosening over time.

They really nailed it, sadly because they're 'royals' people will gloss over them (I used to be that person).


I'd recommend if if you want something that has the best bits of the Big 3 without excelling at any 1 area.
Surfy turn of an Indy
Nimbleness of a Thunder
Pinch and heft of a Venture

This right there + [the ability to get back quick to being] stable on center like a thunder/venture.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: backinaction on January 14, 2022, 03:03:25 PM
It's winter so I'm only skating occasionally.   Hopefully the 8.75 hollows come out by March when it gets nice enough to do it regularly. 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on January 14, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
I picked up a pair of 139 standards because of this thread.
Set em up on an 8 inch deck with 14 inch WB

Had my first flat ground session on em today, extremely impressed.

They feel almost as stable as Ventures to me and the turn is excellent.  I run my trucks medium-tight but I actually felt comfortable keeping these looser than normal.

Pop feel/timing took me only a few minutes to get used to from Venture Lo which is a plus

Another big thing I noticed is despite being 29 degrees out the bushings felt essentially the same after 45 minutes as they did on minute 1.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on January 14, 2022, 10:10:15 PM
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Any early adopters of the new Royals care to share their experience now that they’ve been out a few months? You guys keep ‘em on and are still skating them or did you swap out? I’m on some Ventures now but sometimes they just feel a little too clunky. I’d go back to Thunders but I’m committed to skating 8” trucks lately and their 147 is too low and wheelbitey for my taste.
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Still riding them, stock, since release. Haven't once thought about changing them out...except for the hopefully forthcoming Royal Ultra Lights (hollows) just to shave off a bit of weight since I'm on 149s...I've been tempted to pick up some 8.25". RULIKP!

Prior to skating them, I'd swap trucks out every couple of weeks...if not less than that...I've got a box of different size Indy/Thunder/Tensor/ACE collecting dust now...I did try a few of them on different set ups during sessions with the Royals, and man some of them, which will not be named, felt like complete trash in comparison...and it's not the ones you think; They really are that good: Tight truck stability and feel but actually turn and don't weight 5lbs a truck...or wheelbite like crazy.

Skating 149's on an 8.5"x31.875" twin with a 14.33"(ish)WB.

Also, I have not had any build/durability issues with them, that includes the IKP loosening over time.

They really nailed it, sadly because they're 'royals' people will gloss over them (I used to be that person).

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I'd recommend if if you want something that has the best bits of the Big 3 without excelling at any 1 area.
Surfy turn of an Indy
Nimbleness of a Thunder
Pinch and heft of a Venture
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This right there + [the ability to get back quick to being] stable on center like a thunder/venture.

Fuck, you’re really selling them! I love a good comeback story too. How Crail has managed to keep Royal going this long I’ll never know, but I’m glad they’ve crawled out of the darkness this late in the game to give us what seems to be a really solid alternative truck to the big 3. 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on January 14, 2022, 10:24:16 PM
To add on, the grind on these is really nice, metal feels right between a Thunder and Venture.

Baseplate could protrude out a little more like a Venture, but not as recessed as a Thunder.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: AlumarX on January 15, 2022, 10:08:54 AM
I've been using my 144 IKP Royals for 2 months coming from 2 years of thunders and 2 months of Ventures. So I swapped my ventures out for these on a 8.38 deck with 14.25 wb. The tipping point is weird in that my nose/switch manuals come insanely easy, but the regular/fakie tipping point is too different, so I will go back to the Ventures until the winter kills this deck and I can try the royals on a different wb with new wheels.

These are by far my favorite trucks. Everything I loved about thunder/ventures mostly mixed into one. I'll second the bushings being awesome at all temps, I've ridden them at 35º and 75º and noticed little difference. They've definitely gotten looser as they break in, but they're as stable as Ventures so I haven't felt the need to tighten them down. The best part is I don't get any creeks from the pivot cups/bushings. I'd stop skating thunder and venture just to avoid those fucking squeaks.

I will say I would not want these to be any lighter than they are, and the height is damn near perfect. The turning was pretty sweet, I bet I'll hate using the Ventures for the next few months lol
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on January 16, 2022, 09:55:43 AM
I've been using my 144 IKP Royals for 2 months coming from 2 years of thunders and 2 months of Ventures. So I swapped my ventures out for these on a 8.38 deck with 14.25 wb. The tipping point is weird in that my nose/switch manuals come insanely easy, but the regular/fakie tipping point is too different, so I will go back to the Ventures until the winter kills this deck and I can try the royals on a different wb with new wheels.

These are by far my favorite trucks. Everything I loved about thunder/ventures mostly mixed into one. I'll second the bushings being awesome at all temps, I've ridden them at 35º and 75º and noticed little difference. They've definitely gotten looser as they break in, but they're as stable as Ventures so I haven't felt the need to tighten them down. The best part is I don't get any creeks from the pivot cups/bushings. I'd stop skating thunder and venture just to avoid those fucking squeaks.

I will say I would not want these to be any lighter than they are, and the height is damn near perfect. The turning was pretty sweet, I bet I'll hate using the Ventures for the next few months lol

Unfortunately mine just started to squeak recently. It's not something that bothers me when I'm skating, but I'll still probably grease them when I change decks next since it's probably good for the pivot cups in the long run.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 17, 2022, 06:47:40 AM
I'm about to start riding my ikp 144, do you guys think they can handle (slim) 54mm wheels without using risers or tightening them? I really wanna get the bones V3 shape again
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on January 17, 2022, 09:31:06 AM
I'm about to start riding my ikp 144, do you guys think they can handle (slim) 54mm wheels without using risers or tightening them? I really wanna get the bones V3 shape again

You'll be fine.

I'm riding mine stock with a 1/8 turn left (loosen) from factory tightness. Riding 54mm and there is some wheelbite but not horrible. No risers.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2022, 11:25:23 AM
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Any early adopters of the new Royals care to share their experience now that they’ve been out a few months? You guys keep ‘em on and are still skating them or did you swap out? I’m on some Ventures now but sometimes they just feel a little too clunky. I’d go back to Thunders but I’m committed to skating 8” trucks lately and their 147 is too low and wheelbitey for my taste.
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Still riding them, stock, since release. Haven't once thought about changing them out...except for the hopefully forthcoming Royal Ultra Lights (hollows) just to shave off a bit of weight since I'm on 149s...I've been tempted to pick up some 8.25". RULIKP!

Prior to skating them, I'd swap trucks out every couple of weeks...if not less than that...I've got a box of different size Indy/Thunder/Tensor/ACE collecting dust now...I did try a few of them on different set ups during sessions with the Royals, and man some of them, which will not be named, felt like complete trash in comparison...and it's not the ones you think; They really are that good: Tight truck stability and feel but actually turn and don't weight 5lbs a truck...or wheelbite like crazy.

Skating 149's on an 8.5"x31.875" twin with a 14.33"(ish)WB.

Also, I have not had any build/durability issues with them, that includes the IKP loosening over time.

They really nailed it, sadly because they're 'royals' people will gloss over them (I used to be that person).

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I'd recommend if if you want something that has the best bits of the Big 3 without excelling at any 1 area.
Surfy turn of an Indy
Nimbleness of a Thunder
Pinch and heft of a Venture
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This right there + [the ability to get back quick to being] stable on center like a thunder/venture.
[close]

Fuck, you’re really selling them! I love a good comeback story too. How Crail has managed to keep Royal going this long I’ll never know, but I’m glad they’ve crawled out of the darkness this late in the game to give us what seems to be a really solid alternative truck to the big 3. 

Like most trucks, they are not a one size fits all, but they are damn close.

If they didn't care about their effort, I doubt they would have hit up Ben Degros and offer some trucks up, they know he'll speak the truth.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on January 20, 2022, 09:15:37 AM
After my posts of my first impressions and reading these other responses, I gave mine another shot.
I travel for work and always bring my board and try to skate when I can.
I put my 149 IKP Royals on with Bones Hard bushings.
I take back my first thoughts.
Giving it some time and letting myself warm up, they worked really well for me.
Very stable like venture/thunder but almost more so.
They turn extremely well.  I have the bones hard because I’m 6’ about 200lbs.
I have these looser than I was riding my ventures or thunders and they are working well.
I was able to Ollie up ledges as high as usual, I’ll have to adjust my footing but not bad.
I did notice how much easier the simple “tech” tricks I can do were.
Just felt like the board spun easier and quicker.  I was skating titanium thunders and these felt lighter….
The shortened wheelbase feels good to me with these trucks.
Being 45 easier is better.
Give them a chance if you’re thinking about it.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 20, 2022, 09:31:31 AM
Got a set of 144s I’m going to try on this Chocolate tomorrow.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on January 31, 2022, 02:08:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skipj6bYVyo

Great review, if not a bit short...and perhaps his last truck review?

Pretty much sums up what we've all been saying (those that have actually skated them). While 4 sessions isn't very deep, I'd trust him, even without liking the trucks already.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: JugeL on January 31, 2022, 03:02:20 PM
Four sessions on trucks is preview, not review
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 31, 2022, 03:38:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skipj6bYVyo

Great review, if not a bit short...and perhaps his last truck review?

Pretty much sums up what we've all been saying (those that have actually skated them). While 4 sessions isn't very deep, I'd trust him, even without liking the trucks already.

Definite “I liked these more than I thought I would” vibes there. He almost sounded frustrated because I think he could feel himself going back into messing with different trucks (which he says he has sworn off). And either Ben reads Slap or else he independently arrived at the same conclusions as you guys.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on January 31, 2022, 10:07:09 PM
Someone should sticky the first comment or change the description of this thread:
50% Thunder
35% Indy
15% Venture
And a 100% reason to remember the name (Royal)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 01, 2022, 05:44:52 AM
Do people have issues with their wheels catching on nose/tail slides like thunders with these new royals? I skate 56mm classics, preferably no riser.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on February 01, 2022, 07:05:50 AM
Do people have issues with their wheels catching on nose/tail slides like thunders with these new royals? I skate 56mm classics, preferably no riser.

No more so than any truck with decent wheel clearance. They have very similar clearance to Venture from my observations.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 01, 2022, 07:32:49 AM
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Do people have issues with their wheels catching on nose/tail slides like thunders with these new royals? I skate 56mm classics, preferably no riser.
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No more so than any truck with decent wheel clearance. They have very similar clearance to Venture from my observations.

Thanks!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on February 01, 2022, 07:57:41 AM
139s just came in. I will give my own thoughts on these after I skate em for a couple weeks. I’ve traditionally been a usually Thunder, sometimes Venture fan. I’m trying to find a great 8” truck and find Thunder 147s too low and lacking kingpin and slide clearance and while Venture doesn’t have those issues I find The 5.2 hi a bit too high and hefty to pop with. Here’s to hoping these Royals are a silver bullet for all those issues!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on February 01, 2022, 11:38:35 AM
Want these so bad

Coming for venture low which I love
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2022, 12:44:28 PM
Just nabbed a set of 144s as I sized down deck-wise; Was going to use my on hand Indy or Thunder 144/148 but decided to stick with royal. They just work the way I want them to do and didn’t want to deal with the other brands.

Royal, who would have thought?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murray Hewitt on February 01, 2022, 12:52:44 PM
Just ordered some 149 IKP after watching the Ben Degros vid. Currently on Ventures, I’ll make a post after skating them for a month or so.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on February 01, 2022, 01:09:36 PM
Just ordered some 149 IKP after watching the Ben Degros vid. Currently on Ventures, I’ll make a post after skating them for a month or so.

Please do, I've read the entire thread today after seeing Ben's video, and I'm tempted. Although I have sworn to myself (or lied to myself?) that I wouldn't switch back from Indy's after having a bad case of axle slip on Ace classics, which I absolutely loved other than that. Thankfully it's winter right now in the great white north, so I barely go out skating other than parking garage sessions maybe twice a month, but I might just grab a pair of 149's once the snow melts a little.

From what I can tell from this thread, they are kind of a lower Indy but with Thunder pinch? That sound frickin perfect!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 01, 2022, 03:19:49 PM
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Just ordered some 149 IKP after watching the Ben Degros vid. Currently on Ventures, I’ll make a post after skating them for a month or so.
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Please do, I've read the entire thread today after seeing Ben's video, and I'm tempted. Although I have sworn to myself (or lied to myself?) that I wouldn't switch back from Indy's after having a bad case of axle slip on Ace classics, which I absolutely loved other than that. Thankfully it's winter right now in the great white north, so I barely go out skating other than parking garage sessions maybe twice a month, but I might just grab a pair of 149's once the snow melts a little.

From what I can tell from this thread, they are kind of a lower Indy but with Thunder pinch? That sound frickin perfect!

Pretty much, he's right about the bushing being soft. I ride mine factory tightness and they are getting a bit squirmy after 4 weeks of skating.

No complaints on the pinch, slide or turn, just a combination of the best bits of the big 3 and highly versatile on different deck dimensions. Rode them on 14.25 and 14.38 WB, felt great, would love to try them on 14. But at that stage, the call of Venture beckons.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2022, 03:41:25 PM
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Just ordered some 149 IKP after watching the Ben Degros vid. Currently on Ventures, I’ll make a post after skating them for a month or so.
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Please do, I've read the entire thread today after seeing Ben's video, and I'm tempted. Although I have sworn to myself (or lied to myself?) that I wouldn't switch back from Indy's after having a bad case of axle slip on Ace classics, which I absolutely loved other than that. Thankfully it's winter right now in the great white north, so I barely go out skating other than parking garage sessions maybe twice a month, but I might just grab a pair of 149's once the snow melts a little.

From what I can tell from this thread, they are kind of a lower Indy but with Thunder pinch? That sound frickin perfect!

If I had to narrow it down, and it’s probably an unpopular comment, but like Ben mentioned, there’s really nothing to complain about…whereas with everything else on the market there is always one or two things they could improve on…weight, wheelbite, turning, stability, baseplate this, wheelbase that…

If anything, not having a hollow option available in the states is a huge misstep for sales.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MxsDx on February 01, 2022, 04:21:57 PM
I briefly skated the 144 IKP Royals.  They were very surfy but stable on center, and the pinch was good.  They skated similar to an Indy hollow mid, with the difference being the Royals felt too light. I generally like the feedback of a heftier pop/heavier truck.  If forced to choose between the Indy hollow mids and the Royals, I would go with Indy.  But, because I am a total mess, I am back on Ventures (for now...).   
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Idk on February 01, 2022, 04:44:45 PM
Royal definitely needs to sponsor non crailtap riders to market these to apprehensive consumers.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on February 01, 2022, 04:48:02 PM
Does anyone know if the hollows are the same height and wheel base extension?

I just went back to thunders and I’m pretty happy but damn theses are calling my name. I just don’t know if I should just wait for the hollows to drop state side or pull the trigger now?

Also standards or ikp is there a preference?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2022, 05:57:51 PM
Does anyone know if the hollows are the same height and wheel base extension?

I just went back to thunders and I’m pretty happy but damn theses are calling my name. I just don’t know if I should just wait for the hollows to drop state side or pull the trigger now?

Also standards or ikp is there a preference?

Pretty sure no regular joe outside of Japan has a pair of the ultralights to procure that info; really weird distro they've got going on.

Are you skating lites/hollow/ti thunders? The Royals are not heavy, on par with standard Thunders (cast/non-hollow). I'm skating 149s on an 8.5" and it doesn't feel heavy (like it would skating standard Indys or ACEs).

As for IKP, dealers choice really. I assume it's heavier due to the baseplate setup, but it can't be enough to make a difference. Non-IKP are cheaper per truck if that matters; I just snagged a pair of 144s and will put in my krux pin (hollow) to shave of a few grams (and adjust the bushing hole to accept the krux washer).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on February 01, 2022, 06:20:43 PM
I went standard kingpin because the clearance seems to be good enough that it wasn’t a dealbreaker and I have a general mistrust of IKPs due to the possibility they can loosen up on their own (not that I’m accusing Royal’s IKP of being prone to that issue because I haven’t seen any evidence of that). I know I can trust a standard kingpin to function is all
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 01, 2022, 06:57:27 PM
I just ordered the standard kingpin 144’s. I’m super curious about these they sound dreamy. The downside is I couldn’t find an actual shop that had them in stock so I had to go straight through their website.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 01, 2022, 08:12:17 PM
Tomorrow is the day when I will put some 144 IKPs on my old Chocolate and probably eat my words. I have Thunder 148 Team Hollows on there now which are fine, but a bit sketch feeling going fast. I have Indy Mid Hollows on my other setup which I really like too, so it will be a Battle Royal(e) (see what I did there?!??).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: iw0 on February 01, 2022, 09:44:00 PM
Tomorrow is the day when I will put some 144 IKPs on my old Chocolate and probably eat my words. I have Thunder 148 Team Hollows on there now which are fine, but a bit sketch feeling going fast. I have Indy Mid Hollows on my other setup which I really like too, so it will be a Battle Royal(e) (see what I did there?!??).

ayyy! really eager to see how you feel about them, good and bad.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 02, 2022, 07:39:26 AM
Tomorrow is the day when I will put some 144 IKPs on my old Chocolate and probably eat my words. I have Thunder 148 Team Hollows on there now which are fine, but a bit sketch feeling going fast. I have Indy Mid Hollows on my other setup which I really like too, so it will be a Battle Royal(e) (see what I did there?!??).

Feels like that episode of Spongebob where Squidward denies liking Krabby Pattys and ends up stuffing his face with them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 02, 2022, 09:11:53 AM
Do they make 149 regular kingpin lights for the US?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on February 02, 2022, 10:12:42 AM
Do they make 149 regular kingpin lights for the US?

No, at least not yet. Only standard KP and IKP, no hollows or anything for us yet. I will say the standard truck is not very heavy at all though. The baseplate is cast but is hollowed out like you’d find in a forged baseplate, and the hangars are pretty trim. Honestly a hollow version would probably be too light for a lot of people but I can see how it comes in handy when you get up to 149+ sizes
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fs_smith_98 on February 04, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
Hello guys, it's cool to see these trucks are getting some love, I think they deserve it. I'm writing because I wanted to see exactly how the bushings are and the conclusion is that they are almost identical to ACE bushings (i think they kinda copied them about the bushings but there isn't anything wrong with that). The bottom bushing is just like half millimeter shorter but you can barely notice it. Just so you know 🤙🏻
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on February 04, 2022, 01:05:51 PM
So if I wanted put some harder bushings in what would I go with
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 04, 2022, 03:41:57 PM
Hello guys, it's cool to see these trucks are getting some love, I think they deserve it. I'm writing because I wanted to see exactly how the bushings are and the conclusion is that they are almost identical to ACE bushings (i think they kinda copied them about the bushings but there isn't anything wrong with that). The bottom bushing is just like half millimeter shorter but you can barely notice it. Just so you know 🤙🏻

The royal tops are not as tall as ACE tops, that's for certain. No idea if the royals are dual duro tho.

So if I wanted put some harder bushings in what would I go with

Indy after markets or DLX supercushiecushes given they have more options. Krux might be a good choice?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 05, 2022, 09:35:19 AM
After riding them for some time now, I think I can finally summarize them in the following way:
They are not the best at anything, but good in more things than any other truck.
They don't turn like an ace or mini logo, but the turn is very good. (Like Indy)
They aren't super light but light enough, feels great. I don't think I want them any lighter.
The pinch is great (with 54mm wheels) but not like thunder/venture. Basically no wheelbite.

Kingpin clearance might actually be the best of all trucks, I don't know that.

I think the best comparison I can make is: They feel like a lighter indy mid. (I've measured the wheelbase multiple times over the last week and it was always between +3.00 and +3.05.)

The bushings are absolutely amazing, they don't freeze at all.

So if anybody is considering buying indy hollow mids or even titanium mids, just get royals instead. Way more kingpin clearance!

I'm very happy with them and will keep them on, currently on 14.3 wheelbase. Probably even better with a longer wheelbase.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on February 06, 2022, 04:23:33 PM
Had a good first session on mine today. No trick presented any particular challenge related to skating a new truck (coming off some regular Venture 5.2 hi to these). They turn really well straight out the gate, the bushings and pivot cups are supple and responsive as you could want especially in a brand new truck. Basically just agreeing with the general sentiment so far, they are solid feeling trucks that don't cater to any extreme taste and would probably just work for most people. I'm pretty happy with that, since what forces me to switch trucks is usually those one or two big "gripes" you can come up with for any of the big truck brands to blame your issues on.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: maggot cunt on February 07, 2022, 08:42:39 AM
is there a single non crail rider on the team these days? i remember thinking it was sick that jerry skated for royal, although i doubt he actually skated them much in reality

need new trucks and am tempted by the reviews here but its hard to shake the image that they’re just a crail truck for girl/choco riders
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on February 07, 2022, 09:16:53 AM
Hello guys, it's cool to see these trucks are getting some love, I think they deserve it. I'm writing because I wanted to see exactly how the bushings are and the conclusion is that they are almost identical to ACE bushings (i think they kinda copied them about the bushings but there isn't anything wrong with that). The bottom bushing is just like half millimeter shorter but you can barely notice it. Just so you know 🤙🏻

Same manu as Ace…
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 07, 2022, 08:19:21 PM
Just set em up on my current board which I’ve had ventures on for a month plus. If it’s dry enough in the morning I plan on testing em before work. First thing I noticed standing on top of them inside is yes they seem like they have a good turn but the bushing sound/feel a little creaky, almost like there’s some sort of weird resistance happening. They probably just need to be broken in but I can’t recall this happening with any other trucks/bushings I’ve had recently.

We’ll see
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on February 07, 2022, 08:51:57 PM
Just set em up on my current board which I’ve had ventures on for a month plus. If it’s dry enough in the morning I plan on testing em before work. First thing I noticed standing on top of them inside is yes they seem like they have a good turn but the bushing sound/feel a little creaky, almost like there’s some sort of weird resistance happening. They probably just need to be broken in but I can’t recall this happening with any other trucks/bushings I’ve had recently.

We’ll see

For me it's the pivot cup every time and the Royals do creak more in the cold, or after a certain amount of time in normal weather. This happens with literally every truck I've ever skated though, might have to use some grease if it annoys you. Trust me the pivots and bushings are top quality.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 07, 2022, 08:56:16 PM
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Just set em up on my current board which I’ve had ventures on for a month plus. If it’s dry enough in the morning I plan on testing em before work. First thing I noticed standing on top of them inside is yes they seem like they have a good turn but the bushing sound/feel a little creaky, almost like there’s some sort of weird resistance happening. They probably just need to be broken in but I can’t recall this happening with any other trucks/bushings I’ve had recently.

We’ll see
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For me it's the pivot cup every time and the Royals do creak more in the cold, or after a certain amount of time in normal weather. This happens with literally every truck I've ever skated though, might have to use some grease if it annoys you. Trust me the pivots and bushings are top quality.

Thanks for the response. I’m excited to try them, I’m not able to wrap my head around it at first but I wanna make a distinction. They feel creaky, but don’t sound squeaky. They have a slight sound but I think it’s more the feeling. My instincts tell me it’ll resolve itself.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 07, 2022, 11:13:15 PM
Every new truck is creaky or squeaky in some way, just ride them and break them and stop worrying about it/over thinking it…or just go back to ventures.

I still have a pair of Thunders I ride and they’re the noisiest fucking things…skate great tho
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on February 08, 2022, 11:07:53 AM
Just to double check these are the new royals right ?

 https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Royal_The_Royal_Raws_Truck/descpage-RYRAWTR.html
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: bbk on February 08, 2022, 11:28:36 AM
yes
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on February 08, 2022, 12:17:50 PM
After watching Ben's reluctant review and all these positive comments... It's got me wanting to try a pair after my own WB/truck madness and going back full circle to indys. Still haven't set up my lurpivs idk If I ever will.

* The only time I was ever able to do blunts was on Royals when they first came out. First and last pair of colored trucks I ever had.

The Royals got Ben back on the madness.  :o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgKmYqGEHk

FYI Skate warehouse has 25% off sitewide off making Royals $16.49 ea  :-X
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 08, 2022, 12:26:36 PM
Does anybody know if you can turn the ikps into regular kingpin trucks? Seems like it's more complicated than just a nut at the bottom of the baseplate. I'm afraid to adjust the tightness because it might lead to a self-loosening kingpin over time. This is the first pair of trucks I've ever left "stock".
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on February 08, 2022, 01:09:48 PM
Does anybody know if you can turn the ikps into regular kingpin trucks? Seems like it's more complicated than just a nut at the bottom of the baseplate. I'm afraid to adjust the tightness because it might lead to a self-loosening kingpin over time. This is the first pair of trucks I've ever left "stock".

It’s some sort of built in sleeve nut (not a proper term) and the threads go through the baseplate as well I think, so I doubt you could. On the plus side I bet that solves the ‘coming loose’ problem other ikp’s have. You’ll be fine with any reasonable amount of adjusting. There’s a pic someone posted earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 08, 2022, 01:12:55 PM
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Does anybody know if you can turn the ikps into regular kingpin trucks? Seems like it's more complicated than just a nut at the bottom of the baseplate. I'm afraid to adjust the tightness because it might lead to a self-loosening kingpin over time. This is the first pair of trucks I've ever left "stock".
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It’s some sort of built in sleeve nut (not a proper term) and the threads go through the baseplate as well I think, so I doubt you could. On the plus side I bet that solves the ‘coming loose’ problem other ikp’s have. You’ll be fine with any reasonable amount of adjusting. There’s a pic someone posted earlier in this thread.

That's what I thought, thank you for clarifying
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 08, 2022, 02:08:46 PM
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Does anybody know if you can turn the ikps into regular kingpin trucks? Seems like it's more complicated than just a nut at the bottom of the baseplate. I'm afraid to adjust the tightness because it might lead to a self-loosening kingpin over time. This is the first pair of trucks I've ever left "stock".
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It’s some sort of built in sleeve nut (not a proper term) and the threads go through the baseplate as well I think, so I doubt you could. On the plus side I bet that solves the ‘coming loose’ problem other ikp’s have. You’ll be fine with any reasonable amount of adjusting. There’s a pic someone posted earlier in this thread.

Page 3 of this very thread...
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=119099.msg3672122#msg3672122

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 08, 2022, 02:13:53 PM
After watching Ben's reluctant review and all these positive comments... It's got me wanting to try a pair after my own WB/truck madness and going back full circle to indys. Still haven't set up my lurpivs idk If I ever will.

* The only time I was ever able to do blunts was on Royals when they first came out. First and last pair of colored trucks I ever had.

The Royals got Ben back on the madness.  :o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgKmYqGEHk

FYI Skate warehouse has 25% off sitewide off making Royals $16.49 ea  :-X

It's funny that he was so adamant about NOT switching to these even tho they are good enough to make him want to skate them more...just setup up some IKP 144s on an 8.125", super excited to size down.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 09, 2022, 10:19:15 AM
Skated them around a basketball court in the dark. Coming from Venture they feel super light, gonna have to adjust to the wheelbase and height before I past judgement; they definitely turn though! I’ve been into skating ledges and doing manuals mostly, slightly concerned about manuals being harder considering Ventures are like a cheat code for them. Sorry for the useless update. I need a day off to skateeee
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 09, 2022, 11:15:54 AM
Skated them around a basketball court in the dark. Coming from Venture they feel super light, gonna have to adjust to the wheelbase and height before I past judgement; they definitely turn though! I’ve been into skating ledges and doing manuals mostly, slightly concerned about manuals being harder considering Ventures are like a cheat code for them. Sorry for the useless update. I need a day off to skateeee

Coming from thunders, manuals are the only thing I'm struggling with since riding them :(
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2022, 04:40:17 PM
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Skated them around a basketball court in the dark. Coming from Venture they feel super light, gonna have to adjust to the wheelbase and height before I past judgement; they definitely turn though! I’ve been into skating ledges and doing manuals mostly, slightly concerned about manuals being harder considering Ventures are like a cheat code for them. Sorry for the useless update. I need a day off to skateeee
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Coming from thunders, manuals are the only thing I'm struggling with since riding them :(

Probably have to crank them down or perhaps swamp out for some harder bushings. They are a very stable truck (that still turns!) but the bushings are super soft; for you venture/thunder riders who skate tighter trucks you might need to fiddle a bit...but really if you skate tight/prefer Venture or Thunder/have a great manual game, these might not be for you.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 09, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
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Skated them around a basketball court in the dark. Coming from Venture they feel super light, gonna have to adjust to the wheelbase and height before I past judgement; they definitely turn though! I’ve been into skating ledges and doing manuals mostly, slightly concerned about manuals being harder considering Ventures are like a cheat code for them. Sorry for the useless update. I need a day off to skateeee
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Coming from thunders, manuals are the only thing I'm struggling with since riding them :(
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Probably have to crank them down or perhaps swamp out for some harder bushings. They are a very stable truck (that still turns!) but the bushings are super soft; for you venture/thunder riders who skate tighter trucks you might need to fiddle a bit...but really if you skate tight/prefer Venture or Thunder/have a great manual game, these might not be for you.

Mine have gotten almost too soft after 2 months of use, my hanger is almost wiggle loose. Hard to visually gauge tightness with the IKP since you cant see the amount of threads exposed.

Kind of missing Venture's stability but I'm also lazy to swap trucks around.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 09, 2022, 05:35:59 PM
To clarify the comparison, I skate my ventures as loose as I can without changing the geometry, basically by adding softer bushings. It’s just that with Ventures when you put your weight into a turn there’s basically a point where they “stop” turning until you distribute your weight more, basically preventing wheelbite on a sketchy manual, or nearly correcting it. With any truck with very responsive turning it might be normal to have to try harder to get the right manual.
That being said, I can’t really manual “on flat” but I can hold them if I jumped up on something, so the jury is still out for me. Im gonna put my ventures in my backpack when I go skate tomorrow, in case, but otherwise look forward to seeing what these royals do for me haha.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on February 09, 2022, 06:20:57 PM
I got a pair coming from the skate warehouse sale. I’m pretty excited. I went from Indy ace Indy got hurt started skating thunders been enjoying it so I’m hoping the royals end the madness.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2022, 06:26:19 PM
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Skated them around a basketball court in the dark. Coming from Venture they feel super light, gonna have to adjust to the wheelbase and height before I past judgement; they definitely turn though! I’ve been into skating ledges and doing manuals mostly, slightly concerned about manuals being harder considering Ventures are like a cheat code for them. Sorry for the useless update. I need a day off to skateeee
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Coming from thunders, manuals are the only thing I'm struggling with since riding them :(
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Probably have to crank them down or perhaps swamp out for some harder bushings. They are a very stable truck (that still turns!) but the bushings are super soft; for you venture/thunder riders who skate tighter trucks you might need to fiddle a bit...but really if you skate tight/prefer Venture or Thunder/have a great manual game, these might not be for you.
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Mine have gotten almost too soft after 2 months of use, my hanger is almost wiggle loose. Hard to visually gauge tightness with the IKP since you cant see the amount of threads exposed.

Kind of missing Venture's stability but I'm also lazy to swap trucks around.

I had to tighten each session after about the 3rd session and stopped needing to a few after that. They are soft, no doubt about it.

For some of you, might look into the ACE hard bushings, bet those would work for ya.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on February 09, 2022, 06:36:26 PM
Ordered some 144s today. I’m excited. I’ve never been the best at manuel’s but if this give me an edge over Indy I’ll take it. I keep hearing all of you talk about the Ventures. Last year I got some 5.6 and they turned like crazy! Way more than my Indy’s or Aces. Wheel bite like crazy. I ended up giving them away to someone in need before I could break them in.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on February 10, 2022, 05:02:07 AM
Ordered some 144s today. I’m excited. I’ve never been the best at manuel’s but if this give me an edge over Indy I’ll take it. I keep hearing all of you talk about the Ventures. Last year I got some 5.6 and they turned like crazy! Way more than my Indy’s or Aces. Wheel bite like crazy. I ended up giving them away to someone in need before I could break them in.

I had this same issue I got 5.6 ventures and I got wheel bite worse than Thunder and never felt the venture stability
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murray Hewitt on February 12, 2022, 02:24:19 AM
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Just ordered some 149 IKP after watching the Ben Degros vid. Currently on Ventures, I’ll make a post after skating them for a month or so.
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Please do, I've read the entire thread today after seeing Ben's video, and I'm tempted. Although I have sworn to myself (or lied to myself?) that I wouldn't switch back from Indy's after having a bad case of axle slip on Ace classics, which I absolutely loved other than that. Thankfully it's winter right now in the great white north, so I barely go out skating other than parking garage sessions maybe twice a month, but I might just grab a pair of 149's once the snow melts a little.

From what I can tell from this thread, they are kind of a lower Indy but with Thunder pinch? That sound frickin perfect!

I had my first session on the 149 IKP today. For ref I'm riding a Krooked 8.38 with 14.25 WB.
Straight off the bat they didn't take long at all to get used to. Like others have said a great carve feeling with stability on centre. Best way I could describe them is that they are a great all rounder. As much as I enjoyed Venture, the heft to pop and very stable feeling kind of took away from casual/spontaneous skating. With the Royals it felt like a more 'breezy' skate, I was having a lot more fun in transition and I felt like 360 flips came easier. I definitely got more wheelbite than on Venture but didn't really cause an issue. For me personally they feel like the right fit coming from Thunder and Venture previously. Truly does seem like the best of both worlds. I'm going to stay on them, I had a really fun skate on them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on February 12, 2022, 06:53:09 AM
I got mine in the mail yesterday. Debating on setting them up today or next weekend.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 12, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
I got mine in the mail yesterday. Debating on setting them up today or next weekend.

no time like the present
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: layzieyez on February 12, 2022, 12:41:25 PM
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I got mine in the mail yesterday. Debating on setting them up today or next weekend.
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no time like the present
I mean the post directly above should let you know you already should have set them up.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on February 13, 2022, 04:41:01 AM
Anyone tried these on a 14" wheelbase?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Royalty on February 13, 2022, 04:53:19 AM
Anyone tried these on a 14" wheelbase?

I posted a few pages ago, the Hopps board was 8x31.2 14wb and it felt great, stable but super easy to rotate for spins and tres. Didn’t get to test it at high speeds but I imagine it would do just fine if you’re used to them!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on February 13, 2022, 05:23:54 AM
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Anyone tried these on a 14" wheelbase?
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I posted a few pages ago, the Hopps board was 8x31.2 14wb and it felt great, stable but super easy to rotate for spins and tres. Didn’t get to test it at high speeds but I imagine it would do just fine if you’re used to them!

Fuck yeah
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: AlumarX on February 13, 2022, 06:31:23 AM
Anyone tried these on a 14" wheelbase?
Yep i'm riding a Girl 0023 now on them right now and they feel great. At first I had them setup on a 14.25 wb and could not manual/fakie manual for shit. Ironically my nose/switch manuals were on point.
I think I found my holy grail with this deck and truck combo.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on February 13, 2022, 06:53:25 AM
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Anyone tried these on a 14" wheelbase?
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Yep i'm riding a Girl 0023 now on them right now and they feel great. At first I had them setup on a 14.25 wb and could not manual/fakie manual for shit. Ironically my nose/switch manuals were on point.
I think I found my holy grail with this deck and truck combo.

Amazing
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on February 13, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
Just got home from my first session with them.
149s on a 8.8 creature stumps deck.

Very surfy like an ace I feel like they turn better than Indy like ace but pinch better than an ace but not quite like a Thunder.I didn’t really try to manual anything. Pop was by far the best pop I’ve had on any truck I can think of.

 They weigh as much as much as my stock thunders that’s missing some meat.

My only complaint is I kept over or under flipping kick flips. And when I landed them I didn’t land as well as i do with thunders I kept landing up on the nose. Same with Ollieing  up stuff I kept landing on the nose even though it felt easier to go up. I’m sure this is user error but I’m not sure how to correct it. With thunders I landed more bolts and kick flips was just there. I’m debating on putting the 92a Indy conical bushings I have in the thunders in the royals and seeing if that helps some. Would really love some insight from someone smarter than me about why I’m landing up on the nose so much now like I think I need to adjust foot placement but idk

 I am about 6’1 225lb so a lot of trucks turn easier for me cause I’m thiqq.  I’ve been skating thunders and really enjoying it. I’m still on the fence with the royals. Gonna keep them on for a few sessions see how it goes. Also I got some pics of wheel base measurements but I used a bent tape measure so they aren’t accurate and idk how much I trust my scale cause batteries kept dying 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 13, 2022, 11:40:05 AM
I tried them a little bit but I missed my ventures right away, especially since I can already turn fine. After a couple quick sessions, I’m unconvinced these would solve anything for me, probably just a personal preference.

Once the NY weather is a little nicer and I don’t have to make every session count for maximum fun, I might give these another go.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 13, 2022, 12:09:16 PM
I tried them a little bit but I missed my ventures right away, especially since I can already turn fine. After a couple quick sessions, I’m unconvinced these would solve anything for me, probably just a personal preference.

Once the NY weather is a little nicer and I don’t have to make every session count for maximum fun, I might give these another go.

What are you missing? I guess the pop feel and manual point are off?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 13, 2022, 02:37:46 PM
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I tried them a little bit but I missed my ventures right away, especially since I can already turn fine. After a couple quick sessions, I’m unconvinced these would solve anything for me, probably just a personal preference.

Once the NY weather is a little nicer and I don’t have to make every session count for maximum fun, I might give these another go.
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What are you missing? I guess the pop feel and manual point are off?


Yeah, I don’t think about things in a scientific or rational way with boards. I felt like I had to put my feet in a sillier position to pop my board. And yeah I felt like i wasn’t going to be able to manual as well. Also the weight was throwing me off, since they’re so light compared to venture i felt like I was just throwing my board around rather than manipulating it with my own strength. Plus the metal just looked goofy to me on the Royals.

To clarify, I will give them another chance, I just didn’t have the “aha” moment I was hoping for when I tried these out, but I haven’t given them a fair chance. Nothing wrong with them!

P.s. I have an inkling it has to do with my preference for mellow decks, been skating Alltimers a lot for this reason.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2022, 04:42:22 PM
No truck gives an aha moment first ride, especially one you've never skated before...except maybe ACE, if you are skating bowls.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Acky Jacky on February 13, 2022, 08:02:55 PM
No truck gives an aha moment first ride, especially one you've never skated before...except maybe ACE, if you are skating bowls.

Switching from indy to venture felt like an “aha” moment of to me in terms of certain aspects of my skating. I still like Indys for certain things though. Royals don’t fill any of the gaps for me at the moment. It’s a matter of opinion not fact, no hate to any truck companies or anyone else’s feelings.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: fur lined sea on February 13, 2022, 11:47:32 PM
I love these god damn things.

This comment pretty much sums them up for me, too (except I only got major wheelbite once in the first session when they were still pretty loose):

I had my first session on the 149 IKP today. For ref I'm riding a Krooked 8.38 with 14.25 WB.
Straight off the bat they didn't take long at all to get used to. Like others have said a great carve feeling with stability on centre. Best way I could describe them is that they are a great all rounder. As much as I enjoyed Venture, the heft to pop and very stable feeling kind of took away from casual/spontaneous skating. With the Royals it felt like a more 'breezy' skate, I was having a lot more fun in transition and I felt like 360 flips came easier. I definitely got more wheelbite than on Venture but didn't really cause an issue. For me personally they feel like the right fit coming from Thunder and Venture previously. Truly does seem like the best of both worlds. I'm going to stay on them, I had a really fun skate on them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 14, 2022, 12:30:54 AM
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No truck gives an aha moment first ride, especially one you've never skated before...except maybe ACE, if you are skating bowls.
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Switching from indy to venture felt like an “aha” moment of to me in terms of certain aspects of my skating. I still like Indys for certain things though. Royals don’t fill any of the gaps for me at the moment. It’s a matter of opinion not fact, no hate to any truck companies or anyone else’s feelings.

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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on February 14, 2022, 06:13:50 AM
Just came home from a 2 hour ledge session.
First time riding the 149 inverted ones which I have ordered about 6 weeks ago.
I got more and more hyped with this thread getting longer and as kingpin hangups increased I decided to setup a new complete yesterday.
Studio board with 14.25 wheelbase, 52mm spitfire classics. I rode thunder hollow lights before. So 72g weight difference overall.

The turning is definitely nice. Quick, snappy response but still a surfy feel. I tightened them a little, still loose. They wheelbite the same as my thunders.
Had a short adjusting period. At first I really felt the weight difference but most of my ledge tricks worked right away. With some taking a little longer.
The extended baseplate definitely helped with nose- and tailslides.

I only skated a little flat. Kickflips felt really nice, better than usual. Extra weight helped I believe. Good pop.
Only did a couple of manuals but the ones I did felt really stable. No problems here.
Overall I am pretty happy so far. Still need some adjustment time and definitely more time on flat.
Will keep posting more when I had more time with them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 22, 2022, 02:05:11 AM
Anyone in the US got a good deal going on these? I think I'm ready to take the plunge and get a set and neither of my local shops carry them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: cant kickflip but can tre on February 22, 2022, 10:05:58 AM
Anyone in the US got a good deal going on these? I think I'm ready to take the plunge and get a set and neither of my local shops carry them.
35th Ave got regular kingpin 139 and 149 for $40 and CCS has more sizes of the inverted kingpin for $45
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on February 22, 2022, 10:16:51 AM
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Anyone in the US got a good deal going on these? I think I'm ready to take the plunge and get a set and neither of my local shops carry them.
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35th Ave got regular kingpin 139 and 149 for $40 and CCS has more sizes of the inverted kingpin for $45

Thanks for this. 35th is hot
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 22, 2022, 10:41:59 AM
I marked my kingpins and did a lot of smiths today. The kingpins turned a bit at first, but only so far to minimize the resistance on smiths(flat part of the kingpin in the front instead of a corner). Then they stayed that way. I seriously love these trucks and have zero reasons inside my head to change them. The cure to my madness really has been found after years of looking for alternatives for thunder titaniums.

Big shoutout to all the guys that tested them early on and made me want to try.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on February 22, 2022, 01:46:38 PM
Had about 5 sessions now and have to say that I'm liking them more than my thunders.
Love the pop, the turning, the extended baseplate, the weight. Everything works.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 22, 2022, 07:00:44 PM
Had about 5 sessions now and have to say that I'm liking them more than my thunders.
Love the pop, the turning, the extended baseplate, the weight. Everything works.

All pros, no cons.

I recently setup a bunch of trucks on other boards, thunders, indy, tensor, all stock/broken in. Royal still felt best (and they were factory fresh, not even skated yet), with indy ti second; tensor atg mags still crush them all when it comes to grinding concrete tho, no question.

Thunder had wheelbite as usual, love/hate with that truck. Can't ride tight and I draw the line at risers.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 22, 2022, 07:43:32 PM
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Had about 5 sessions now and have to say that I'm liking them more than my thunders.
Love the pop, the turning, the extended baseplate, the weight. Everything works.
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All pros, no cons.

Only con is not excelling in 1 particular area - but I'll take that any day of the week.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 22, 2022, 08:23:33 PM
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Had about 5 sessions now and have to say that I'm liking them more than my thunders.
Love the pop, the turning, the extended baseplate, the weight. Everything works.
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All pros, no cons.

I recently setup a bunch of trucks on other boards, thunders, indy, tensor, all stock/broken in. Royal still felt best (and they were factory fresh, not even skated yet), with indy ti second; tensor atg mags still crush them all when it comes to grinding concrete tho, no question.

Thunder had wheelbiting as usual, love/that with that trucks. Can't ride tight and I draw the line at risers.

You and I used to disagree but I’m back on my Indy Forged Ti and liking them more than mids. I haven’t gotten to spend ample time on the Royals I’ve had to decide one way or another about them but will when this deck is near its end.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on February 23, 2022, 06:28:43 AM
Skated my 144s last night. I have to say I like them better than my Indys for sure. I got my f/s flips back! 360 flips felt great. Switch flips where easier. I felt very confident on the mini. Played a few games of skate and had some crazy roll aways that I normally would/should have ate shit on. Very surprised given its a lower truck with 54mm wheels. Our box sucks so I didn't get any grinds in other than a 5050. All the while in new shoes.  Long story short I gave my board away at the end of the night and when I got home I ordered another pair.  As long as my f/s flip stays... this is my new truck. Thanks Ben for the review! Would have never done it without your video! haha.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vicious cycle on February 23, 2022, 10:04:10 AM
Checking in after my real first session on my new 144 standards.
I was on Indy Forged Hollow/TI for the last 2 years.
Had a little affair with Ventures v-lights for the last two weeks. And in between i tried some Thunder 148 Team Hollows.
First thing I noticed, they are pretty loose compared to the stock ventures but almost the same as the Indy's stock. Maybe a bit more on the loose side.
So i cranked them down till one threat is showing.
I'm 76 Kg.
After that they still feel loose compared to Indy's.
But surprisingly stable.
I set them up with 53mm Tablets .
They do wheelbite yeah. Not so much like my thunders but  definitely more than my Indy's or ventures.
It's all manageable.
Set them up on a  Killing Floor 8.25 14,25 Wheelbase.
Pop feels very familiar. More than a thunder than an indy.
Turn is very smooth. Like a really good broken in indy.
But at the same time they feel stable. Not so much like the ventures. Hard to describe.
It's like all the big brands had a gangbang or something.
The baseblate makes nice contact with the ledge for nose/tail slides. Grind wise i only did a few 50s and 5-0s on metal. They are new but i can say they grind harder than Indys. More like a Venture.
All my flips came easy. Only my 360 Flips needed a bit adjustment because of the looser feel. But again, all manageable and even better than my last indy setup, which was basically the same board.
Seems like this 1,5 mm lower height compared to indy forged benefits my old legs.
After that first session I'm really surprised. A great truck.
My only concern is riding them on any bigger transision.
The angle of the kingpin is pretty high compared to any other truck i own. So I'm a bit scared of hangups.
Will see how this goes.
So far so good. Really dig them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on February 23, 2022, 04:06:46 PM
So I have about 15 hours or so on these new Royals at this point.

I gotta say my first impression is still consistent with what I think now.  Just really damn good trucks. Stable as hell but still turn very nicely. Bushings are excellent especially in the cold.

I think Venture Lo 5.2 on a 8 inch deck 14wb is still my go to set up.

But for anything wider or bigger wheelbase these will be my choice and will probably be my go to winter set of trucks on any board.

Once wear out Venture hi 5.6s on my park set up I will get another set of Royals to replace them for sure.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on February 23, 2022, 04:36:57 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ZW0V7yk/royal-order.png)

Current board got fucked by rain so I figured I'd pull the trigger and get the trucks too when I saw there was a sale on here in Aus. Very excited to see how they ride.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 23, 2022, 05:36:46 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ZW0V7yk/royal-order.png)

Current board got fucked by rain so I figured I'd pull the trigger and get the trucks too when I saw there was a sale on here in Aus. Very excited to see how they ride.

Loved the Folklore Fibertech Light deck I rode a few years ago, it's the great white buffalo of the decks I've skated.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on February 24, 2022, 12:06:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av0Hz8-KdkU
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: fur lined sea on February 25, 2022, 09:28:53 PM
I tried them a little bit but I missed my ventures right away, especially since I can already turn fine. After a couple quick sessions, I’m unconvinced these would solve anything for me, probably just a personal preference.

I had the opposite experience. I have another setup (bigger board and wider wheels but same truck size) with Venture 5.6s. I jumped on it for an afternoon after a week or two hiatus. It felt like a huge boat that I couldn't steer or maneuver like I could with the Royals. I ended up ordering another set of Royal 144s to replace them. They're too fun, and do everything a Venture can do and more (turn sharper and pop just as quick if not quicker).

Definitely want to pair them with a Girl board soon. So far I've skated the 144s on an 8 Scumco, 8.06 Krooked, 8.25 Krooked and 8.125 Alien. I had skated 5.6 Ventures on the 8.06 Krooked (wb 14.38) which was alright, but preferred it so much more with the Royals. It didn't feel as long and the nose/tail felt easier to work with.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2022, 02:18:40 PM
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I tried them a little bit but I missed my ventures right away, especially since I can already turn fine. After a couple quick sessions, I’m unconvinced these would solve anything for me, probably just a personal preference.
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I had the opposite experience. I have another setup (bigger board and wider wheels but same truck size) with Venture 5.6s. I jumped on it for an afternoon after a week or two hiatus. It felt like a huge boat that I couldn't steer or maneuver like I could with the Royals. I ended up ordering another set of Royal 144s to replace them. They're too fun, and do everything a Venture can do and more (turn sharper and pop just as quick if not quicker).


Jumping back to Thunders, and I will catch shit for this, the thunders felt...meh....now, I have always been in the ACE/INDY/THEEVE/ML camp over the Venture/Thunder camp, but really like thunders when I'm 'street' skating....for bowls and slappies, not so much. So, 2 out of 3 situations don't work for me...plus the non-stop wheelbite everywhere because I don't ride tight trucks...I roll away from so much more shit not riding thunders (loose trucks + sloppy skating).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2022, 02:37:35 PM
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I tried them a little bit but I missed my ventures right away, especially since I can already turn fine. After a couple quick sessions, I’m unconvinced these would solve anything for me, probably just a personal preference.
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I had the opposite experience. I have another setup (bigger board and wider wheels but same truck size) with Venture 5.6s. I jumped on it for an afternoon after a week or two hiatus. It felt like a huge boat that I couldn't steer or maneuver like I could with the Royals. I ended up ordering another set of Royal 144s to replace them. They're too fun, and do everything a Venture can do and more (turn sharper and pop just as quick if not quicker).

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Jumping back to Thunders, and I will catch shit for this, the thunders felt...meh....now, I have always been in the ACE/INDY/THEEVE/ML camp over the Venture/Thunder camp, but really like thunders when I'm 'street' skating....for bowls and slappies, not so much. So, 2 out of 3 situations don't work for me...plus the non-stop wheelbite everywhere because I don't ride tight trucks...I roll away from so much more shit not riding thunders (loose trucks + sloppy skating).

Thunders, for me, are great for flatground, as long as my shit is really proper. And it isn’t.
I mainly stop riding thunders when I want to size up wheels (I live in the crustiest zone, it’s so harsh).
Anyone try the royals with big ass wheels? Like 56?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on February 28, 2022, 02:41:39 PM
Anyone have a kingpin break on the new trucks so far? I had multiple pairs of royals 10+ years ago and all of them eventually had a kingpin break. So far the feedback seems overwhelmingly positive so they likely figured it out but they're still pretty new.

Finished the first set- no problems.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on February 28, 2022, 04:24:19 PM
I just decided I like Venture Hi's with blue eagles more than any other setup I've ever tried, I am elated at everything about it to the point that I am excited just thinking about when I will be able to skate it next. But every time I click on this thread I literally open a tab and start googling where to buy new Royals.  This forum is a swamp of perversion and I cannot escape. 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2022, 05:30:25 PM
I just decided I like Venture Hi's with blue eagles more than any other setup I've ever tried, I am elated at everything about it to the point that I am excited just thinking about when I will be able to skate it next. But every time I click on this thread I literally open a tab and start googling where to buy new Royals.  This forum is a swamp of perversion and I cannot escape.


Yes, yes.

But what size ventures, and what size wheels, and cue that daffy duck gif
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 28, 2022, 05:40:10 PM
I just decided I like Venture Hi's with blue eagles more than any other setup I've ever tried, I am elated at everything about it to the point that I am excited just thinking about when I will be able to skate it next. But every time I click on this thread I literally open a tab and start googling where to buy new Royals.  This forum is a swamp of perversion and I cannot escape.

(https://c.tenor.com/SD-5sdtUX8QAAAAC/simpsons-homer.gif)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vicious cycle on March 01, 2022, 01:31:09 PM
The bushings in these things are weird. Not in a bad way.
They seem to be totally immune to the cold. My ventures on the other hand where hard as bricks around 2° celsius.
I think my Royals are broken in now. Needed around 3 sessions. Ended up with nearly two thread's showing on the nut. 53 mm spits and wheelbite seems fine.
Curious, is anyone riding them with 55mm wheels ?
Got some oskis in the mail.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: layzieyez on March 01, 2022, 01:35:56 PM
I'm running 54mm on my inverted 144 no problems.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on March 01, 2022, 04:44:23 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/ZW0V7yk/royal-order.png)

Current board got fucked by rain so I figured I'd pull the trigger and get the trucks too when I saw there was a sale on here in Aus. Very excited to see how they ride.
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Loved the Folklore Fibertech Light deck I rode a few years ago, it's the great white buffalo of the decks I've skated.

They're honestly so good, the quality is top tier. I've never been able to break one and they don't cost more than a regular pro board over here. I just got a regular board this time to see how they feel by comparison since I've only skated their fibretech ones and cause it was cheap as for Aus prices
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: GT on March 03, 2022, 01:33:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CanfnDfvZDL/?utm_medium=copy_link

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on March 03, 2022, 06:40:48 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CanfnDfvZDL/?utm_medium=copy_link

Damn, right as I buy the regular ones lol
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on March 03, 2022, 12:25:16 PM
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Damn, right as I buy the regular ones lol

Don't worry about it. The weight is perfect in my opinion. I enjoy the extra weight compared to the thunder hollows I skated before.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: cant kickflip but can tre on March 03, 2022, 01:16:23 PM
Just got the reg 149’s and surprised to see the WB on a 14.25 deck was 17.125 (+2.875). Could’ve sworn someone said it was between +3 to +3.125

Either way I’m not bummed on it. Rather take a short WB than a long one anyways
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murray Hewitt on March 03, 2022, 01:32:16 PM
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Damn, right as I buy the regular ones lol
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Don't worry about it. The weight is perfect in my opinion. I enjoy the extra weight compared to the thunder hollows I skated before.

I back this. The standard weight feel great. Wouldn’t want them any lighter.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on March 03, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
Just got the reg 149’s and surprised to see the WB on a 14.25 deck was 17.125 (+2.875). Could’ve sworn someone said it was between +3 to +3.125

Either way I’m not bummed on it. Rather take a short WB than a long one anyways

We're going to need this info on post #1 on this thread. I got +3.125 on my 144 IKP. Wonder if they messed with the geometry on the Ultralights that just got released.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 04, 2022, 07:40:42 AM
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Just got the reg 149’s and surprised to see the WB on a 14.25 deck was 17.125 (+2.875). Could’ve sworn someone said it was between +3 to +3.125

Either way I’m not bummed on it. Rather take a short WB than a long one anyways
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We're going to need this info on post #1 on this thread. I got +3.125 on my 144 IKP. Wonder if they messed with the geometry on the Ultralights that just got released.

Hey I'm stupid

So different geo on regular and IKP?

Dam so which ones are getting the glowing reviews 😅
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on March 04, 2022, 08:03:35 AM
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Just got the reg 149’s and surprised to see the WB on a 14.25 deck was 17.125 (+2.875). Could’ve sworn someone said it was between +3 to +3.125

Either way I’m not bummed on it. Rather take a short WB than a long one anyways
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We're going to need this info on post #1 on this thread. I got +3.125 on my 144 IKP. Wonder if they messed with the geometry on the Ultralights that just got released.
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Hey I'm stupid

So different geo on regular and IKP?

Dam so which ones are getting the glowing reviews 😅

I think both IKP and Standard add 3.15" to the wheelbase, I've only ridden the IKP so someone else will need to confirm
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: cant kickflip but can tre on March 04, 2022, 09:29:51 AM
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Just got the reg 149’s and surprised to see the WB on a 14.25 deck was 17.125 (+2.875). Could’ve sworn someone said it was between +3 to +3.125

Either way I’m not bummed on it. Rather take a short WB than a long one anyways
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We're going to need this info on post #1 on this thread. I got +3.125 on my 144 IKP. Wonder if they messed with the geometry on the Ultralights that just got released.
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Hey I'm stupid

So different geo on regular and IKP?

Dam so which ones are getting the glowing reviews 😅
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I think both IKP and Standard add 3.15" to the wheelbase, I've only ridden the IKP so someone else will need to confirm
No, I’m the one that’s stupid. Went to remeasure the WB and can confirm it is +3.15
One side of the truck was measuring shorter than the other and noticed that the trucks weren’t exactly centered (assuming from not fully being broken in). Sorry about the confusion!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2022, 09:36:24 AM
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Just got the reg 149’s and surprised to see the WB on a 14.25 deck was 17.125 (+2.875). Could’ve sworn someone said it was between +3 to +3.125

Either way I’m not bummed on it. Rather take a short WB than a long one anyways
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We're going to need this info on post #1 on this thread. I got +3.125 on my 144 IKP. Wonder if they messed with the geometry on the Ultralights that just got released.
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Hey I'm stupid

So different geo on regular and IKP?

Dam so which ones are getting the glowing reviews 😅

The glowing reviews are from the turning geo, kingpin/IKP is all personal preference; as someone with two pairs if IKP royals (and a set of Indy IKP plates) and having fuxxored with krux pins, etc., I don't think they really bring much, especially in terms of grind clearance...a benefit of a mm or two perhaps?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 04, 2022, 10:19:46 AM
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Just got the reg 149’s and surprised to see the WB on a 14.25 deck was 17.125 (+2.875). Could’ve sworn someone said it was between +3 to +3.125

Either way I’m not bummed on it. Rather take a short WB than a long one anyways
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We're going to need this info on post #1 on this thread. I got +3.125 on my 144 IKP. Wonder if they messed with the geometry on the Ultralights that just got released.
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Hey I'm stupid

So different geo on regular and IKP?

Dam so which ones are getting the glowing reviews 😅
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The glowing reviews are from the turning geo, kingpin/IKP is all personal preference; as someone with two pairs if IKP royals (and a set of Indy IKP plates) and having fuxxored with krux pins, etc., I don't think they really bring much, especially in terms of grind clearance...a benefit of a mm or two perhaps?

Thanks bud
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 04, 2022, 01:24:10 PM
Fuck yeah just got a pair of 139 Raws off Titus. Can't wait to skate them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fs_smith_98 on March 05, 2022, 10:48:22 AM
Can confirm that the wheelbase is +3.125 from my measurements and that the inverted kingpin isn't that good,it's actually pretty bad (but it's literally the only thing i have to complain about these trucks) since like the indy mids do (but at least the royals do offer some pretty good kingpin clearance) the kingpin is made with a way harder metal than normal kingpins and when it makes contact on the ledge it does stop you a lot.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fs_smith_98 on March 05, 2022, 10:53:01 AM
Talking about weight i'm riding the 144 ikp and it's perfect to me, since they weight like standard 148 thunders but have a little less wheelbase so they feel lighter, i think the 144 hollows could be even too light for me. Maybe if one day they'll get the hollows around here i could get the 149 hollows though. About wheelbite i'm riding them super loose with 52mm wheels and it isn't a problem, it's a bit better than thunders for that in my opinion.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: cant kickflip but can tre on March 05, 2022, 05:30:45 PM
Had my first session in the reg 149's. Coming off of 4 years of Indy, I would say these are closer to Thunders than Indy. The turn is not as sharp and surfy as Indy, but you can lean in more than Thunder. Was able to slappy fine, got a slappy crook that I've been working on for a few days. Flatground is great. I struggle with kickflips and was able to land one first try. I tend to lean into my treflips so had to get used to not being able to do that. But the treflips I did do were pretty solid. They are lighter and lower than Indy so I think that helped a lot. Overall, I'm very pleased with the trucks like many others have said. Good job Craig!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on March 05, 2022, 08:44:12 PM
Went from Royals to Venture 5.6 Titanium and despite the drop in weight the pop feel was heavier on the Venture. The Royals worked better with a steeper deck. But Venture is still #1 for pinch in my books, was holding onto grinds for longer and popping out with authority. The metal on Royals is softer and like Ben Degros' says Venture have a harder, tinny grind but makes up for it with a superior pinch.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on March 06, 2022, 12:00:02 AM
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Damn, right as I buy the regular ones lol
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Don't worry about it. The weight is perfect in my opinion. I enjoy the extra weight compared to the thunder hollows I skated before.

Yeah I also realized you can't get hollow and IKP so I'm feeling fine with my choice
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on March 06, 2022, 12:03:55 AM
Can confirm that the wheelbase is +3.125 from my measurements and that the inverted kingpin isn't that good,it's actually pretty bad (but it's literally the only thing i have to complain about these trucks) since like the indy mids do (but at least the royals do offer some pretty good kingpin clearance) the kingpin is made with a way harder metal than normal kingpins and when it makes contact on the ledge it does stop you a lot.

Ah shit, whatever I can easily do a krux swap if the IKP really bothers me. Or just grind it down a bit one day on a rough ledge
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 06, 2022, 08:35:24 PM
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Damn, right as I buy the regular ones lol
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Don't worry about it. The weight is perfect in my opinion. I enjoy the extra weight compared to the thunder hollows I skated before.
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Yeah I also realized you can't get hollow and IKP so I'm feeling fine with my choice

As a weight whore, hollow axles won't net you as much as a hollow kingpin (unless you are riding Indy ;)

Skating both the 149 and 144 IKP royals, their weight has never even crossed my mind because they skate so well, it doesn't matter (it helps that they are light as it is).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 07, 2022, 03:54:19 PM
After a few weeks of skating them, I now get +3.00 on the wb. Before I measured about +3.05. There's no way mine are +3.15.

They feel almost too light, I'm really glad the hollows were not available yet when I wanted them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on March 07, 2022, 06:08:57 PM
After a few weeks of skating them, I now get +3.00 on the wb. Before I measured about +3.05. There's no way mine are +3.15.

They feel almost too light, I'm really glad the hollows were not available yet when I wanted them

LOL, when I first got them I swear to god I got +3.00, measuring it multiple times, both sides. The someone mentioned +3.125 and I double checked and that's what I got. Just triple checked and I'm getting the exact same reading for both sides which is somewhere between the two but just a hair closer to +3.00.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: palach303 on March 09, 2022, 10:17:23 AM
Found a really good price for these new Royals so inspired by Bens review and positive feedback here I got the 139s. Up until now I used to ride Thunder 145 and these feel just as light, more stable and the bushings feel great. Cant really comment on how they grind or flip because I am a humble beginner skating for about 10 months after a brief skating stint in high school 12 years ago.

However, after my second session with these royals I noticed on my front truck one of the wheels was closer to the center than the other one. In other words the distance from the outer edge of wheel one to the edge of the deck was bigger than on the other wheel. Could that be an axle slip? Or a manufacturing defect? I didnt sweat over it that much, it was only like 3-4mm and I used some washers to even it out, and I doubt it could have any noticeable effect on the performance, but you know how it goes... The madness is real and once you see it, you cannot unsee it. Otherwise I am very satisfied with them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 09, 2022, 11:43:09 AM
Take the wheels off and measure the axle length. If it’s off center it should be apparent pretty quickly and will be an obvious warranty issue which Crail should take care of.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: bbk on March 09, 2022, 03:03:07 PM
I ordered the ikp last night, they haven't been loosening up like lurpiv and aren't heavy like indy mid, right?

Would there be any issues running a krux pin instead?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 09, 2022, 03:30:03 PM
I've not had any issues so far.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on March 10, 2022, 04:22:28 AM
I ordered the ikp last night, they haven't been loosening up like lurpiv and aren't heavy like indy mid, right?

Would there be any issues running a krux pin instead?

The Krux kingpin will not work.  It doesn't have long enough threads to screw in tight.
The royals have a pressed in threaded nut that extends all the way to the road side of the baseplate.
You cannot remove that pressed in nut to install a normal kingpin or normal nut for other inverted setups because the hole is wider for the pressed in one.

Very few complaints from anyone with the ikp though yet….
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on March 10, 2022, 05:06:19 AM
I ordered the ikp last night, they haven't been loosening up like lurpiv and aren't heavy like indy mid, right?

Would there be any issues running a krux pin instead?


Did a lot of slappy crooks last week and my front truck got a little loose. I noticed it because it literally wiggeled. I tightened it again. Hope it’s not happening again.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 11, 2022, 09:42:38 AM
Just got mine. Initial thoughts. Good but too loose. Anyone got any recommendations for harder bushings that work?

Working 6 day weeks. Tomorrow is my only chance to hit up skate shop so if anyone knows I'd be forever grateful
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on March 11, 2022, 12:54:38 PM
Just got mine. Initial thoughts. Good but too loose. Anyone got any recommendations for harder bushings that work?

Working 6 day weeks. Tomorrow is my only chance to hit up skate shop so if anyone knows I'd be forever grateful

I put and extra an washer on top on the top washers... Don't judge me! lol It helps a bit.



Skating an Alien deck with them right now....Wow! Two brands I never thought I'd be skating. EVER! Especially together.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on March 11, 2022, 01:08:12 PM
Just got mine. Initial thoughts. Good but too loose. Anyone got any recommendations for harder bushings that work?

Working 6 day weeks. Tomorrow is my only chance to hit up skate shop so if anyone knows I'd be forever grateful

If you haven’t actually had a real session on them just wait. My initial thoughts were super loose as well, now I consider them medium with the kingpin nut flush. The bushings are to good to swap, but if you must then the new Ace hard bushings bottom, with the Royal stock top.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 11, 2022, 01:14:33 PM
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Just got mine. Initial thoughts. Good but too loose. Anyone got any recommendations for harder bushings that work?

Working 6 day weeks. Tomorrow is my only chance to hit up skate shop so if anyone knows I'd be forever grateful
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If you haven’t actually had a real session on them just wait. My initial thoughts were super loose as well, now I consider them medium with the kingpin nut flush. The bushings are to good to swap, but if you must then the new Ace hard bushings bottom, with the Royal stock top.

If the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace, might be worth trying Minilogo. Minilogo bottoms are 14mm (same as Ace) and the tops are just about 10mm. Decent bushings for sure.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2022, 05:43:28 PM
Just got mine. Initial thoughts. Good but too loose. Anyone got any recommendations for harder bushings that work?

Working 6 day weeks. Tomorrow is my only chance to hit up skate shop so if anyone knows I'd be forever grateful

DLX Bait & Tackle Supercush
Indy Aftermarkt

None of which are as good (IMO) as the ACE or Royal bushings, but they are what they are.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 11, 2022, 11:33:02 PM
Thanks everyone. Will have a proper session today and feel them out. Can't wait.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 12, 2022, 12:30:48 AM
Forgot to add krux bushings!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Skatebeard on March 12, 2022, 12:37:26 AM
Is there any easy way to differentiate new design/geo vs old when buying online? Assuming you are looking at the standard kingpin models.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on March 12, 2022, 02:36:34 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/7pNZfQd/IMG-20220312-122344.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7pNZfQd)
Is there any easy way to differentiate new design/geo vs old when buying online? Assuming you are looking at the standard kingpin models.
Look at the baseplates. The new ones are Royal and on the old ones is written Royal truck co.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Skatebeard on March 12, 2022, 08:06:42 AM
Cheers, that's nice and simple!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 12, 2022, 08:34:16 AM
Also, the old sizing is 5.0, 5.2 etc... And the new ones are same as the Indy sizing (139, 149...)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on March 12, 2022, 11:50:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMpY10dFk8&t=2597

royals at 43:17 (http://youtu.be/NCMpY10dFk8?t=2597).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 13, 2022, 10:42:18 AM
So was skating my 139s on my real full SE 8 14wb. They were pretty dam good.

Then just to see. Put them on a polar 7.875 14.25wb..... DAM

These are fucking 🔥 they just work. And the pop is explosive.

Also the grind feels dreamy
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 13, 2022, 12:05:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMpY10dFk8&t=2597

royals at 43:17 (http://youtu.be/NCMpY10dFk8?t=2597).

How are the royals "Mid" after praising the shit out of them in his review. He even said he liked them more than his indies. Heresy
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 13, 2022, 04:33:52 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMpY10dFk8&t=2597

royals at 43:17 (http://youtu.be/NCMpY10dFk8?t=2597).
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How are the royals "Mid" after praising the shit out of them in his review. He even said he liked them more than his indies. Heresy

Yeah pretty weird, especially when they were leaning towards solid...but GH lead Ben by hovering over Mid...

They can totally hang with the big 4, no question. So far, any time I ride my other setups to refresh my memory, those last for a few tricks and then I'm right back on the board with royals. They're the Thindy I've always wanted.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on March 13, 2022, 06:36:22 PM
Sticking them on my next deck with a 14.38 WB. I'm interested to see how the softer, more worn in bushing feels for popping out of tricks

Ben made a good point about the Royal baseplates, the tinier baseplate doesn't have as nice a slide as a Venture.

Anyone looking to try the new Ultralights when they become widely available? I like the current weight as is but I'm a sucker for new tech shit. Saving the madness for either Royal Ultralights or Ace AF1 Low, maybe Ace classic to get a feel for Ace trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: cant kickflip but can tre on March 13, 2022, 07:02:41 PM
Sticking them on my next deck with a 14.38 WB. I'm interested to see how the softer, more worn in bushing feels for popping out of tricks

Ben made a good point about the Royal baseplates, the tinier baseplate doesn't have as nice a slide as a Venture.

Anyone looking to try the new Ultralights when they become widely available? I like the current weight as is but I'm a sucker for new tech shit. Saving the madness for either Royal Ultralights or Ace AF1 Low, maybe Ace classic to get a feel for Ace trucks.
Depends on what you want from the trucks. If you want a sharper, surfy feel, go for the Ace lows. Assuming they have the same turn as normal Aces. In my experience, the Royals aren’t as sharp or quick as Indy which is what I was riding before
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 13, 2022, 08:57:04 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMpY10dFk8&t=2597

royals at 43:17 (http://youtu.be/NCMpY10dFk8?t=2597).
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How are the royals "Mid" after praising the shit out of them in his review. He even said he liked them more than his indies. Heresy

I think you are misinterpreting what he said. He said after putting them on his 14.25 he likes the setup better than his current setup at the time of filming. Not better than Indy's themselves. Given that he really likes Indy and Thunder and they're a mash-up of the two I could see him preferring the more polarizing options. He didn't like the grind and didn't like them on a longer WB so maybe that contributed? He seems pretty picky in that regard.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 13, 2022, 11:55:53 PM
I mean it's hard to put something that you skated four times against something you've skated over 20 years.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on March 15, 2022, 11:28:58 PM
I agree with everything people are saying about these being LOOSE out the box. I tried pushing on my floor and leaning to see what the turn was like and I just sorta leaned into a wheelbite lol. I'm gonna have to tighten them up a bit so they don't just lean and actually turn. Will report back after I get a few actual seshes with them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 16, 2022, 08:11:28 AM
Anyone know a girl / chocolate deck that pairs well with 139s?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 16, 2022, 08:18:47 PM
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Sticking them on my next deck with a 14.38 WB. I'm interested to see how the softer, more worn in bushing feels for popping out of tricks

Ben made a good point about the Royal baseplates, the tinier baseplate doesn't have as nice a slide as a Venture.

Anyone looking to try the new Ultralights when they become widely available? I like the current weight as is but I'm a sucker for new tech shit. Saving the madness for either Royal Ultralights or Ace AF1 Low, maybe Ace classic to get a feel for Ace trucks.
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Depends on what you want from the trucks. If you want a sharper, surfy feel, go for the Ace lows. Assuming they have the same turn as normal Aces. In my experience, the Royals aren’t as sharp or quick as Indy which is what I was riding before

I find them much quicker than Indy, and more stable!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on March 17, 2022, 06:43:23 AM
I agree with everything people are saying about these being LOOSE out the box. I tried pushing on my floor and leaning to see what the turn was like and I just sorta leaned into a wheelbite lol. I'm gonna have to tighten them up a bit so they don't just lean and actually turn. Will report back after I get a few actual seshes with them


Maybe I just weigh more than the average skater here (doubtful) 170lbs but all trucks are LOOSE out the box. Indy's are the worst. I can touch the wheel to the deck using my hand. The only trucks that ever felt firm brand new was some thunders with black bushings.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vicious cycle on March 17, 2022, 08:02:21 AM
I agree with everything people are saying about these being LOOSE out the box. I tried pushing on my floor and leaning to see what the turn was like and I just sorta leaned into a wheelbite lol. I'm gonna have to tighten them up a bit so they don't just lean and actually turn. Will report back after I get a few actual seshes with them
They need a good while to break in .
If you ride flush nuts, it will take forever.
I had the same experience when they were new.
After 3 sessions they started to firm up and I went from 53 to 54 mm wheels. Not that much wheelbite. Now after 2 weeks and tightening them to 2 threads showing they feel on point.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Damoforce on March 23, 2022, 04:25:13 PM
Has anyone skated the ROYAL ULTRA LIGHT RAW?

If so, does anyone know the weights too - 144 mainly
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2022, 08:50:13 AM
Has anyone skated the ROYAL ULTRA LIGHT RAW?

If so, does anyone know the weights too - 144 mainly

Sadly no one from AUS/JP here on slap has nabbed a pair and you can't get them state-side (fricken bizzare)...and I'm not paying $100 with shipping to try some out.

Safe to assume, they're lighter than the royal standards ;), expect the ultra royal to way around 10g less perhaps?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on March 26, 2022, 11:16:58 AM
Don't really see what insight is needed for the lights... They're gonna be Royal's and they're gonna be lighter. 330-340g would be my guess. Is there a magic number or something?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Damoforce on March 26, 2022, 06:47:53 PM
Don't really see what insight is needed for the lights... They're gonna be Royal's and they're gonna be lighter. 330-340g would be my guess. Is there a magic number or something?

No magic number, but if they are heavier than my Venture V Hollows or Indy Hollow Lights I wouldn't both tbh.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2022, 10:03:21 PM
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Don't really see what insight is needed for the lights... They're gonna be Royal's and they're gonna be lighter. 330-340g would be my guess. Is there a magic number or something?
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No magic number, but if they are heavier than my Venture V Hollows or Indy Hollow Lights I wouldn't both tbh.

IKP royals are ~10g heavier than Indy ti, surely they’re lighter than your Indy hollows. Anything is lighter than Indy except ace.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on March 27, 2022, 12:25:01 AM
Don't really see what insight is needed for the lights... They're gonna be Royal's and they're gonna be lighter. 330-340g would be my guess. Is there a magic number or something?

From Royal Japan's Insta:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CXU72vWPgpk/?utm_medium=copy_link

Ultralights save you around 30g per truck, bringing them between a Thunder Light and Hollow Light.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Sila on March 27, 2022, 07:15:03 AM
Just made the switch from Thunder 147 Hollow lights to these out of plain curiosity. Havn't had a session yet but did a few pushes through the house lol and the feeling of the bushings through the board feels odd. When I lean I can feel the squeeze and creak of the bushings through my wholw board, is anyone getting that?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on March 27, 2022, 08:56:45 AM
Just made the switch from Thunder 147 Hollow lights to these out of plain curiosity. Havn't had a session yet but did a few pushes through the house lol and the feeling of the bushings through the board feels odd. When I lean I can feel the squeeze and creak of the bushings through my wholw board, is anyone getting that?

Like a few people said before. They need a while to really break in and stay constistent.
Mine took about 3 weeks with 2-3 Sessions each week. Had to tighten them a few times.
Now they are perfect. But they are still squeaky. Haven't had trucks which didn't do any sounds.
Wax in the pivot cups always helps. I think Chris Cole mentioned using graphite power in a nine club episode but haven't tried that.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 27, 2022, 10:49:25 AM
Just made the switch from Thunder 147 Hollow lights to these out of plain curiosity. Havn't had a session yet but did a few pushes through the house lol and the feeling of the bushings through the board feels odd. When I lean I can feel the squeeze and creak of the bushings through my wholw board, is anyone getting that?

Yeah they do that, just like new aces. It stopped after the first session for me. Incredible bushings, love them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on March 27, 2022, 11:43:06 AM
These trucks are the best ever
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: zozu on March 28, 2022, 06:42:04 PM
Just realized Rowan Davis is skating Royals in the "Hell Cherub" video that just came out. Might be time to try these lol.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: fur lined sea on March 28, 2022, 07:58:17 PM
Just realized Rowan Davis is skating Royals in the "Hell Cherub" video that just came out. Might be time to try these lol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av0Hz8-KdkU


Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: zozu on March 28, 2022, 08:53:55 PM
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Just realized Rowan Davis is skating Royals in the "Hell Cherub" video that just came out. Might be time to try these lol.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av0Hz8-KdkU

Damn I missed this, was he on Indy before? He has such a sick style and trick selection.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 29, 2022, 07:10:37 AM
Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Idk on March 29, 2022, 08:03:10 AM
Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
I swear I’ve seen him ride Thunders.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 29, 2022, 08:13:20 AM
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Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
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I swear I’ve seen him ride Thunders.

It wouldn’t be surprising if he were riding Thunders back when everyone agreed that Royals sucked.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on March 29, 2022, 08:16:32 AM
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Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
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I swear I’ve seen him ride Thunders.

Royals look similar in some footage. He rode thunders before he got on Royal if I remember right. Rumor was he was skating on ventures for a bit, but I didn’t see it. The few times I’ve seen him skate it was with royals.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 29, 2022, 08:58:00 AM
Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
They really put some effort into making this his own unique version of the trucks!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 29, 2022, 09:03:24 AM
Hmmmm white bushings.....different duro perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CbsXNndtnVj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Big in Japan?

https://www.instagram.com/royaltrucks_japan/
https://www.vhsmag.com/products/royal-new-trucks-3/

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: roba on March 29, 2022, 09:14:16 AM
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Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
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They really put some effort into making this his own unique version of the trucks!

hot take but maybe he just wanted them to be silver without a huge graphic on the front
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 29, 2022, 09:43:50 AM
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Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
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They really put some effort into making this his own unique version of the trucks!
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hot take but maybe he just wanted them to be silver without a huge graphic on the front

...and said, naw dawg, white bushings is where it's at.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: TwisT on March 29, 2022, 10:45:41 AM
Hmmmm white bushings.....different duro perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CbsXNndtnVj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Big in Japan?

https://www.instagram.com/royaltrucks_japan/
https://www.vhsmag.com/products/royal-new-trucks-3/

like silver is big in Brasil
https://www.instagram.com/silvertrucksbr/?hl=en
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: bbk on March 30, 2022, 08:06:35 AM
Ultra lights are available at the crailstore.

https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/#filter:type=trucks
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: roba on March 30, 2022, 08:20:02 AM
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Hmmmm white bushings.....different duro perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CbsXNndtnVj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Big in Japan?

https://www.instagram.com/royaltrucks_japan/
https://www.vhsmag.com/products/royal-new-trucks-3/
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like silver is big in Brasil
https://www.instagram.com/silvertrucksbr/?hl=en

this one makes sense though, turning is unnecessary for nollie heel noseslides
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2022, 08:59:38 AM
Ultra lights are available at the crailstore.

https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/#filter:type=trucks

7% lighter

Shows what a great job they did with the standard's initial design. Every little bit can help (that OCD) tho.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: TwisT on March 30, 2022, 01:14:06 PM
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Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
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They really put some effort into making this his own unique version of the trucks!
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hot take but maybe he just wanted them to be silver without a huge graphic on the front
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...and said, naw dawg, white bushings is where it's at.

Maybe he figured a silver truck was the best way capitalize on royalties, like a pro gets a "signature" colorway shoe and it's just black
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on March 30, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
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Of interest to Royal Riderz

(https://i.ibb.co/PTPWcfj/DE9-EBA3-E-2010-4-ED3-8-A04-944-FD07-E33-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PTPWcfj)
(https://i.ibb.co/GsyN6NL/88129-B00-847-B-42-CD-9-C57-FBD91-A8-B7-BD0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsyN6NL)
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They really put some effort into making this his own unique version of the trucks!
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hot take but maybe he just wanted them to be silver without a huge graphic on the front
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...and said, naw dawg, white bushings is where it's at.
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Maybe he figured a silver truck was the best way capitalize on royalties, like a pro gets a "signature" colorway shoe and it's just black

Exactly, you always see the crazy pro colorways on clearance, ie lost royalties for the rider. Keep it simple, move that product, get that money.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 30, 2022, 08:58:32 PM
https://youtu.be/4dM3g4eiAT0
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on April 05, 2022, 05:21:51 AM
Skated them for a few sessions now.

Pop feel is amazing, love the height

Turn is REALLY good imo (despite it being lower)

Bushings are of superb quality

Grind feels as good as any major truck brand, no issues

Pinch is decent (not amazing but can't say anything bad)

The inverted kingpin will either grind like butter (if its a chill, smooth, skatepark rail) or be kinda a bitch (if it's a rougher spot)

Also the inverted kingpin loosens half a turn or more every sesh, I need to figure out how to stop this cause this is the one fucking annoying thing with IKP trucks (might just say fuck it and throw in a few drops of loctite or something? I dunno if people have suggestions/solutions for this)

I might just get the regular kingpin ones for my next set if I'm still loving them later

These trucks are goated honestly. I have a pair of tensors I'm gonna throw on later (near the end of this boards life) to compare the two most well regarded but not really popular trucks. Royal killed it honestly
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 05, 2022, 07:33:34 AM
My kingpins started to loosen a bit too a month ago or so. I put some drops of regular superglue on the kingpin threads, assembled them and they never loosened again. I can still loosen/tighten them if I want to, but it does take a bit more force than normal.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on April 05, 2022, 08:43:40 AM
My kingpins started to loosen a bit too a month ago or so. I put some drops of regular superglue on the kingpin threads, assembled them and they never loosened again. I can still loosen/tighten them if I want to, but it does take a bit more force than normal.

I was thinking of doing this but having it confirmed to work has sold me on the idea, thanks
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 05, 2022, 08:58:19 AM
Skated them for a few sessions now.

Pop feel is amazing, love the height

Turn is REALLY good imo (despite it being lower)

Bushings are of superb quality

Grind feels as good as any major truck brand, no issues

Pinch is decent (not amazing but can't say anything bad)

The inverted kingpin will either grind like butter (if its a chill, smooth, skatepark rail) or be kinda a bitch (if it's a rougher spot)

Also the inverted kingpin loosens half a turn or more every sesh, I need to figure out how to stop this cause this is the one fucking annoying thing with IKP trucks (might just say fuck it and throw in a few drops of loctite or something? I dunno if people have suggestions/solutions for this)

I might just get the regular kingpin ones for my next set if I'm still loving them later

These trucks are goated honestly. I have a pair of tensors I'm gonna throw on later (near the end of this boards life) to compare the two most well regarded but not really popular trucks. Royal killed it honestly

I don't have Royals, but I do skate some Indys I converted into IKP and I put some blue Loctite on the bolt and they more or less skate normally now.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on April 05, 2022, 03:54:03 PM
Skated them for a few sessions now.

Pop feel is amazing, love the height

Turn is REALLY good imo (despite it being lower)

Bushings are of superb quality

Grind feels as good as any major truck brand, no issues

Pinch is decent (not amazing but can't say anything bad)

The inverted kingpin will either grind like butter (if its a chill, smooth, skatepark rail) or be kinda a bitch (if it's a rougher spot)

Also the inverted kingpin loosens half a turn or more every sesh, I need to figure out how to stop this cause this is the one fucking annoying thing with IKP trucks (might just say fuck it and throw in a few drops of loctite or something? I dunno if people have suggestions/solutions for this)

I might just get the regular kingpin ones for my next set if I'm still loving them later

These trucks are goated honestly. I have a pair of tensors I'm gonna throw on later (near the end of this boards life) to compare the two most well regarded but not really popular trucks. Royal killed it honestly

Been on royals since they dropped, recently setup up a bunch of other brands to re-visit them. Tensor just couldn't hold up, they felt very stiff and tall and I chalk that up to the 55mm height of them...but that mag grind tho...hard to beat them when paired with a slick =D

Indy (forged mid @50.5mm) came in neck and neck tho, slower and mellower vs the royals faster and swervier (I swear they are just a the best of Indy/thunder/venture all in one). I don't think they'd ever rank up to make it the 'big 5' but they are a heavy contender without a doubt.

It's also apparent that I prefer lower and wider trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fs_smith_98 on April 06, 2022, 02:38:22 AM
Damn i also tried to skate the same deck on my thunders lights 148 (instead of royals 144, 8,25 deck) with same wheels also, and wow thunders turning really doesn't hold up the match with royals turning, maybe the 1mm higher teams baseplates would help a little though. Ace turning instead is still superior of course but i don't feel i'm really missing it, since royals do turn very good anyway and the pinch is WAY better, and also the pop feel is better to me.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on April 06, 2022, 03:34:43 AM
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Skated them for a few sessions now.

Pop feel is amazing, love the height

Turn is REALLY good imo (despite it being lower)

Bushings are of superb quality

Grind feels as good as any major truck brand, no issues

Pinch is decent (not amazing but can't say anything bad)

The inverted kingpin will either grind like butter (if its a chill, smooth, skatepark rail) or be kinda a bitch (if it's a rougher spot)

Also the inverted kingpin loosens half a turn or more every sesh, I need to figure out how to stop this cause this is the one fucking annoying thing with IKP trucks (might just say fuck it and throw in a few drops of loctite or something? I dunno if people have suggestions/solutions for this)

I might just get the regular kingpin ones for my next set if I'm still loving them later

These trucks are goated honestly. I have a pair of tensors I'm gonna throw on later (near the end of this boards life) to compare the two most well regarded but not really popular trucks. Royal killed it honestly
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I don't have Royals, but I do skate some Indys I converted into IKP and I put some blue Loctite on the bolt and they more or less skate normally now.

Thanks for the info, if I can stop the loosening the IKPs become pretty much perfect

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Skated them for a few sessions now.

Pop feel is amazing, love the height

Turn is REALLY good imo (despite it being lower)

Bushings are of superb quality

Grind feels as good as any major truck brand, no issues

Pinch is decent (not amazing but can't say anything bad)

The inverted kingpin will either grind like butter (if its a chill, smooth, skatepark rail) or be kinda a bitch (if it's a rougher spot)

Also the inverted kingpin loosens half a turn or more every sesh, I need to figure out how to stop this cause this is the one fucking annoying thing with IKP trucks (might just say fuck it and throw in a few drops of loctite or something? I dunno if people have suggestions/solutions for this)

I might just get the regular kingpin ones for my next set if I'm still loving them later

These trucks are goated honestly. I have a pair of tensors I'm gonna throw on later (near the end of this boards life) to compare the two most well regarded but not really popular trucks. Royal killed it honestly
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Been on royals since they dropped, recently setup up a bunch of other brands to re-visit them. Tensor just couldn't hold up, they felt very stiff and tall and I chalk that up to the 55mm height of them...but that mag grind tho...hard to beat them when paired with a slick =D

Indy (forged mid @50.5mm) came in neck and neck tho, slower and mellower vs the royals faster and swervier (I swear they are just a the best of Indy/thunder/venture all in one). I don't think they'd ever rank up to make it the 'big 5' but they are a heavy contender without a doubt.

It's also apparent that I prefer lower and wider trucks.

I feel like this is the same conclusion I'm going to end up coming to with the tensors, but I'm curious to at least try for myself. Kudos to royal for going from walmart-complete tier to legitimately one of the best trucks I've skated

Damn i also tried to skate the same deck on my thunders lights 148 (instead of royals 144, 8,25 deck) with same wheels also, and wow thunders turning really doesn't hold up the match with royals turning, maybe the 1mm higher teams baseplates would help a little though. Ace turning instead is still superior of course but i don't feel i'm really missing it, since royals do turn very good anyway and the pinch is WAY better, and also the pop feel is better to me.

I haven't skated thunders in years since I snapped a kingpin on a set as a kid and never bothered with them again, but it's impressive to hear people saying the royals outperform major truck brands. Though ace have the best turn outta any trucks so far for sure, but I find them too unstable for certain tricks at speed. Like If I'm trying to do a hardflip or any trick where my feet are more close together it's so much harder on aces. I'm willing to sacrifice some turn for the gains in stability and everything else.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on April 06, 2022, 04:26:07 AM
Are you guys sure that the kingpin got loose?
Like I mentioned before, mine kept getting looser and I thought the kingpin loosened as well but I believe it were
the bushings which took really long to break in.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 06, 2022, 05:48:54 AM
Are you guys sure that the kingpin got loose?
Like I mentioned before, mine kept getting looser and I thought the kingpin loosened as well but I believe it were
the bushings which took really long to break in.

Yeah I drew a line on the kingpin. But it only ever turned like 30° on its own and I would have never noticed it without the line.
My bushings seemed to get harder when they broke in. They were super mushy at the start.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 06, 2022, 09:12:56 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CcA_kxiLesj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Looks like they're out now: https://crailstore.com/products/w43-d1-royal-the-royal-ultra-light-truck
$60 for a set, not horrible, but for a 7% reduction in weight, I'd rather save $20 and get the regular ones. Not like they're super heavy to begin with.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2022, 10:11:24 AM
Ultra lights are available at the crailstore.

https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/#filter:type=trucks

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CcA_kxiLesj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Looks like they're out now: https://crailstore.com/products/w43-d1-royal-the-royal-ultra-light-truck
$60 for a set, not horrible, but for a 7% reduction in weight, I'd rather save $20 and get the regular ones. Not like they're super heavy to begin with.

Yeah, doesn't make sense dollar/value-wise. Like most direct skate brands, they're a bit pricey. I'd wait until they're on SW or some other online shop where they'd be $20-23$ per truck...unless of course they are never picked up by those shops.

I'm a weightwhore and I can't justify a double dip for 7% weight reduction. That said, it does puts them in Indy TI territory, pretty impressive for a non-forged (RC) cast truck!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 06, 2022, 12:25:01 PM
Am I crazy or is it easier to get stuck on a smith grind with the inverted ones?
There's definitely more clearance, but somehow I get stuck wayyyy worse than with the regulars.(after grinding the nut down a bit)

Edit: I think it's what Ben Degros described in his indy mid review. With a regular kingpin you grind on the nut when it hits, which is cheap soft metal. But if hard kingpin metal hits, you can't get away with it and get stuck super bad.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 07, 2022, 09:38:40 AM
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Ultra lights are available at the crailstore.

https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/#filter:type=trucks
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CcA_kxiLesj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Looks like they're out now: https://crailstore.com/products/w43-d1-royal-the-royal-ultra-light-truck
$60 for a set, not horrible, but for a 7% reduction in weight, I'd rather save $20 and get the regular ones. Not like they're super heavy to begin with.
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Yeah, doesn't make sense dollar/value-wise. Like most direct skate brands, they're a bit pricey. I'd wait until they're on SW or some other online shop where they'd be $20-23$ per truck...unless of course they are never picked up by those shops.

I'm a weightwhore and I can't justify a double dip for 7% weight reduction. That said, it does puts them in Indy TI territory, pretty impressive for a non-forged (RC) cast truck!

You called it. On Tactics now for $48 for the set. Now that's kind of tempting.

https://www.tactics.com/royal/the-royal-forged-ultra-lights-skateboard-trucks/raw-149
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Fs_smith_98 on April 07, 2022, 09:52:47 AM
Am I crazy or is it easier to get stuck on a smith grind with the inverted ones?
There's definitely more clearance, but somehow I get stuck wayyyy worse than with the regulars.(after grinding the nut down a bit)

Edit: I think it's what Ben Degros described in his indy mid review. With a regular kingpin you grind on the nut when it hits, which is cheap soft metal. But if hard kingpin metal hits, you can't get away with it and get stuck super bad.

Yeah it definetely happens because the metal is harder and can't be grinded down, it just gets stuck. On the wooden ledge at my local i basically can't bs smithgrind anymore, since it digs in the wood.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 07, 2022, 02:17:10 PM
Yeah I switched back to the regular baseplate now, glad I bought them as a backup.
So in case anyone is wondering, the ikp version is not worth it in my opinion. I can dip smiths further down on the regulars without getting stuck. The regular ones have more kingpin clearance than you'll ever need. (After grinding it down a bit with your hands and a crusty ledge, poser grinds).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on April 07, 2022, 08:22:08 PM
Yeah I switched back to the regular baseplate now, glad I bought them as a backup.
So in case anyone is wondering, the ikp version is not worth it in my opinion. I can dip smiths further down on the regulars without getting stuck. The regular ones have more kingpin clearance than you'll ever need. (After grinding it down a bit with your hands and a crusty ledge, poser grinds).

+1

Once I start sticking I'll move on. Doesn't look like IKP are here to stay, no one has nailed a method where they don't loosen over time or come up with an actual low profile solution...oh wait, Krux did with the OG DL KP...you never heard of anyone getting loose ove rtime (I didn't anyway and never experienced it my self).

For the record, when I last mounted my 144 Royals, I had two threads showing, that was a few weeks ago. Last night I moved them over to a new deck and still had the same amount of threads showing and I haven't fucked with them, just lots of flat and slappies.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on April 08, 2022, 05:43:51 AM
Okay, now the madness kicked in for me as well about the kingpin loosening.
Contacted the shop, I ordered them from and asked if I can get a normal baseplate.
If that is not happening I might just go back to regular thunders. 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 08, 2022, 06:32:43 AM
Okay, now the madness kicked in for me as well about the kingpin loosening.
Contacted the shop, I ordered them from and asked if I can get a normal baseplate.
If that is not happening I might just go back to regular thunders. 

Just use any kind of glue and you're good. No need to change trucks if that's your only problem
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on April 08, 2022, 12:16:03 PM
Okay, now the madness kicked in for me as well about the kingpin loosening.
Contacted the shop, I ordered them from and asked if I can get a normal baseplate.
If that is not happening I might just go back to regular thunders.

I wouldn’t pre-worry about it. I don’t think a lot of people are having this issue as Royal uses a built in nut, mine haven’t budged. As mentioned there are various easy fixes (I would try plumbers tape personally since it creates no mess).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: bbk on April 08, 2022, 06:02:47 PM
I only had one session on mine so far, I'm loving my film 5.25 hollow pins too much, but my ikp's moved a bit as well.
I can't tell how much, they're just not how I set them up. I'm not too worried about it, we'll see when I get to them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on April 10, 2022, 09:41:43 PM
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Okay, now the madness kicked in for me as well about the kingpin loosening.
Contacted the shop, I ordered them from and asked if I can get a normal baseplate.
If that is not happening I might just go back to regular thunders.
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I wouldn’t pre-worry about it. I don’t think a lot of people are having this issue as Royal uses a built in nut, mine haven’t budged. As mentioned there are various easy fixes (I would try plumbers tape personally since it creates no mess).

It's a really easy fix with some super glue as people mentioned earlier. Also idk if this is why but I'm a taller dude and thus leaning into the truck more when I turn which might be why mine get loose after a sesh while others don't have the issue?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Sila on April 11, 2022, 03:12:04 AM
Loving the change from Thunders at the moment.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 07:57:24 AM
I’ve got a set of 144 IKP I don’t need, used lightly. A friend gave them to me so I would feel bad selling but if you DM me for them and pay shipping you can have em.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 11, 2022, 08:23:39 AM
I’ve got a set of 144 IKP I don’t need, used lightly. A friend gave them to me so I would feel bad selling but if you DM me for them and pay shipping you can have em.

DM'ed. I'm nearly through my Indy 144s, so this would be perfect.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 09:55:29 AM
hit ya back
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on April 12, 2022, 04:27:20 AM
That is really awesome of you to pass them on for shipping!
Can I ask what you didn’t like about them? 
So similar to Indy mids that you don’t need both?

I’ve got a set of 144 IKP I don’t need, used lightly. A friend gave them to me so I would feel bad selling but if you DM me for them and pay shipping you can have em.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
That is really awesome of you to pass them on for shipping!
Can I ask what you didn’t like about them? 
So similar to Indy mids that you don’t need both?

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Might be he's sitting on two pair, he said way back he had some on the way, and these are from his friend?

He's a Indy guy (nothing wrong with that).

As for your Indy Mid question, from a height pov, yeah they're the same but indy are indy. I've ridden the mids and the forged mids (50.5mm) and royals, they feel very different; the royals feel more like a carvey venture/thunder.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2022, 06:36:37 PM
PSA: Bone Mediums make these trucks feel like shit. YMMV.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 14, 2022, 05:34:24 PM
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That is really awesome of you to pass them on for shipping!
Can I ask what you didn’t like about them? 
So similar to Indy mids that you don’t need both?

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I’ve got a set of 144 IKP I don’t need, used lightly. A friend gave them to me so I would feel bad selling but if you DM me for them and pay shipping you can have em.
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Might be he's sitting on two pair, he said way back he had some on the way, and these are from his friend?

He's a Indy guy (nothing wrong with that).

As for your Indy Mid question, from a height pov, yeah they're the same but indy are indy. I've ridden the mids and the forged mids (50.5mm) and royals, they feel very different; the royals feel more like a carvey venture/thunder.

Yah I have Indy's, Thunders, and had these. I like em all, all solid trucks. At the end of the day I like Indy the best and Thunder second. I think the Royals were good, but I didn't need the 2 brand characteristics mixed if that makes sense. From a geometry perspective the pop feel felt a bit too light for me so I went with what felt the best. Maybe in the future I would try em again.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Skatebeard on May 10, 2022, 08:25:13 AM
Anyone copped a set of ultra lights yet?

Couldn't get the snapped kingpin out of my thunders so thought i'd give them a go...quite cheap here in the UK compared to the other big truck brands.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on May 10, 2022, 11:43:46 AM
Anyone copped a set of ultra lights yet?

Couldn't get the snapped kingpin out of my thunders so thought i'd give them a go...quite cheap here in the UK compared to the other big truck brands.

I did. I sized down to a 8.1 and grabbed some 139s. Nothing negative or positive to say about them compared to the regular ones. I'm enjoying them as I nurse my ankle back to health.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: thebaggy on May 10, 2022, 10:09:41 PM
  Sup guys it's your favorite skateboarding conservative here. Been considering royals for years, been glorifying them since childhood because of Jerry. Always too low for my taste however over the past couple years I've adjusted to thunders. With that said I've been reading this thread for a couple days and I found a pair of 149s at a vans mall store, serendipitously so.
  Been skating them all day, and I must say it's been a great joy. Same height as thunders. Similar wheelbase, albeit slightly shorter resulting in a nice pop feel. Upon turning, very responsive Ala thunder, yet with more pocket. A very happy medium between thunder and ace. On some 56s necked down to 53s I dealt with very little wheel bite. The bushings are very soft, resulting in a creamy turn. That's right. Creamy. Truck still retains an element of responsiveness and springyness upon pop out in spite of this ( perhaps due to geometry ). Baseplate sticks outwards Ala venture, yet the nuts to hanger relationship is comparable to indy. Wheels are a couple cm away from ledge contact during slides ( if locked against baseplate on a smooth ledge ). Very light. Grind is somewhat comparable to venture, I do believe the metal is somewhat "tin-y" however they grind very well and considering the shape of the hangar is quite similar to thunder I'd place my comparison there. I believe that's everything I felt like sharing about my purely anecdotal experience in this subjective reality we all suffer in.
  Oh yeah I cracked two noses today on the Royals, strange coincidence perhaps.

I tried to attach a photo of my 2 setups. 8.3 football ( 14 wb ) w/ Royal 149s, spitfire 51mm and 8.75 polar ( 14.3 wb ) w/ thunder 151 risered, 56mm radial fulls.
 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2022, 10:13:39 PM
Creamy is a great description of how they feel, I back it.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: thebaggy on May 10, 2022, 10:43:08 PM
Creamy is a great description of how they feel, I back it.

Right? I appreciate your acknowledgment, Xen.

It sounds kind of absurd, however if you were to consider sticking a warm spoon into a jar of peanut butter to stir it...there would be some resistance sure but it would be smooth, and that feedback would allow you to determine that the textures creamy.

Also the trucks are incredibly stable. Forgot to corroborate that.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on May 10, 2022, 11:00:05 PM
Anyone copped a set of ultra lights yet?

Couldn't get the snapped kingpin out of my thunders so thought i'd give them a go...quite cheap here in the UK compared to the other big truck brands.

I bought a set but more for the novelty of owning a pair. Maybe I'll stick them on a board with really steep kicks or to compensate for the weight when I go from 8.25 to 8.38. Bushings aside, Royal really ticked a lot of boxes with these trucks and I'll continue to recommend to anyone planning to make a drastic swap in truck brands (eg Indy to Venture) as a stepping stone truck.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 11, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
I've been fucking with these trucks on and off since @LebowskisRug hooked me up with the 144s. The turn, the pop, the flick are all incredible. They really managed to make a truck that carves like an Ace, but has the stability of a truck like Thunder. It's a great truck, at least as good as anything from the other big makers.

On curbs though, I find the grind is completely lackluster. Maybe they're just too new and I really need to put time breaking them in, but I've never struggled in the same way with Indy and Ace. I'm not giving up on them, hopefully I'll get through that rounded top layer and it'll unlock something rad underneath.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: thebaggy on May 11, 2022, 10:39:56 AM
I've been fucking with these trucks on and off since @LebowskisRug hooked me up with the 144s. The turn, the pop, the flick are all incredible. They really managed to make a truck that carves like an Ace, but has the stability of a truck like Thunder. It's a great truck, at least as good as anything from the other big makers.

On curbs though, I find the grind is completely lackluster. Maybe they're just too new and I really need to put time breaking them in, but I've never struggled in the same way with Indy and Ace. I'm not giving up on them, hopefully I'll get through that rounded top layer and it'll unlock something rad underneath.

I've only had my set for a day but I did skate some slappy curbs and had a similar experience. Non painted, but lacquered and waxed. Felt oddly sticky. Didn't get as much distance as I did on my 8.75 w/ thunders set up. This could also be due to the fact that the latter setup has radial fulls which work magic for locking into 50s. I will say that I did not have the same experience on red curbs, where the royals grinded quite well.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on May 11, 2022, 10:45:39 AM
Best trucks in the game.

I've never noticed sticking on curbs tbh. Maybe that's at the start it happens more.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2022, 11:03:32 AM
Royals, like Venture, or even AF1s (just not as much) need a little breaking in to get moving, once you get that first 'layer' off they're great.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on May 29, 2022, 07:55:56 AM
Scooped some ultra light 8.75's from SoCal for $42 shipped (with some 52mm F4 classics to get free shipping).

I love my Indy forged hollows in 8.5 and 9.125" but I really want to set up something lighter. May be awhile before I get around to building with them though. Any recommendations on decks to pair them with?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on May 30, 2022, 02:02:52 AM
Scooped some ultra light 8.75's from SoCal for $42 shipped (with some 52mm F4 classics to get free shipping).

I love my Indy forged hollows in 8.5 and 9.125" but I really want to set up something lighter. May be awhile before I get around to building with them though. Any recommendations on decks to pair them with?

Not your size but I skate my 139s with Hockey 8"

The steepness of the kicks really pairs well with the Royals for some reason
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: AlumarX on June 05, 2022, 01:31:12 PM
Gonna be setting up my 8.25 royals on a 14.25 wb deck. I could not manual for shit on 14wb with these trucks.

I just put Tensors ATGs on that 14wb deck to give it away to someone, since I hate those trucks so much, but as I rode it I could not part with it just yet lol. I was getting way longer manuals.
If I can't manual with these trucks on 14.25wb I might have to give up and go back to thunders or ventures.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on June 05, 2022, 03:22:59 PM
If I can't manual with these trucks on 14.25wb I might have to give up and go back to thunders or ventures.

I am riding 14.25 and have no problems with manuals  8)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 05, 2022, 06:41:41 PM
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If I can't manual with these trucks on 14.25wb I might have to give up and go back to thunders or ventures.
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I am riding 14.25 and have no problems with manuals  8)

I've also struggled on manuals with these, I wonder why that is?
It shouldn't be the relative wheelbase, since my manuals are way better on thunders as well as ace on the same deck.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on June 05, 2022, 07:47:30 PM
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If I can't manual with these trucks on 14.25wb I might have to give up and go back to thunders or ventures.
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I am riding 14.25 and have no problems with manuals  8)
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I've also struggled on manuals with these, I wonder why that is?
It shouldn't be the relative wheelbase, since my manuals are way better on thunders as well as ace on the same deck.

Besides wheel size which I'll assume was the same, the only other thing it could possibly be is weight, no? That could be it, but I think this phenomenon is purely mental.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 05, 2022, 08:56:00 PM
That last sentence is all of gear madness.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on June 06, 2022, 01:29:29 AM
Figured I'd just let people know how the royals have been since I've been skating them for a few months. Overall they're pretty fucking sick, if you want lower trucks I'd seriously recommend these. Only thing that bugged me was the IKP would get loose, but after I tried super glue like someone suggested earlier in this thread the problem resolved. Also, I found the IKP is better for dipped grinds if its a smooth, skatepark ledge/rail. But if it's chunky then yeah it'll hang up more since it's way harder metal. Besides that Everything is good, it turns good, pops good, grinds good. I dunno what else to really say except they're really good trucks.

Side note: I bounced to a pair of worn ATGs I still have since I setup a new board and was curious how they felt after riding the royals and they still felt really good. Basically I'd say go royal if you want a low truck and tensor if you want high. It kinda sounds fucking kooked to say but yeah, tensor and royal skate the best in their respective height categories imo. I kinda wanna try some forged/TI indys later since their height is somewhere in the middle and they have a similar WB apparently.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on June 06, 2022, 03:07:03 AM
Figured I'd just let people know how the royals have been since I've been skating them for a few months. Overall they're pretty fucking sick, if you want lower trucks I'd seriously recommend these. Only thing that bugged me was the IKP would get loose, but after I tried super glue like someone suggested earlier in this thread the problem resolved. Also, I found the IKP is better for dipped grinds if its a smooth, skatepark ledge/rail. But if it's chunky then yeah it'll hang up more since it's way harder metal. Besides that Everything is good, it turns good, pops good, grinds good. I dunno what else to really say except they're really good trucks.

I've been skating them since february and second your points.
After I fixed the IKP with superglue everything was perfect.
Will definitely buy a second pair. But probably just the ravvs.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on June 06, 2022, 06:48:46 AM
I'm setting up some 8.75 ultra lights with Bones hards on an 8.75 Flight deck today, with 52mm F4 classics. Should end up being a nice light board for the width. It's raining all this week but I'll report back once I get to skate it.

Also note to self: this is the 4th and last fucking board I'm setting up and running concurrently. The Madness must be curbed.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 06, 2022, 06:54:24 AM
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Figured I'd just let people know how the royals have been since I've been skating them for a few months. Overall they're pretty fucking sick, if you want lower trucks I'd seriously recommend these. Only thing that bugged me was the IKP would get loose, but after I tried super glue like someone suggested earlier in this thread the problem resolved. Also, I found the IKP is better for dipped grinds if its a smooth, skatepark ledge/rail. But if it's chunky then yeah it'll hang up more since it's way harder metal. Besides that Everything is good, it turns good, pops good, grinds good. I dunno what else to really say except they're really good trucks.
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I've been skating them since february and second your points.
After I fixed the IKP with superglue everything was perfect.
Will definitely buy a second pair. But probably just the ravvs.

What have you guys been doing with superglue and the IKP? Haven't ridden mine in 3 months but the bushings were starting to feel softer than I liked, not sure if it was the kingpin loosening or the bushings fully breaking into become overly soft.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 06, 2022, 07:05:27 AM
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If I can't manual with these trucks on 14.25wb I might have to give up and go back to thunders or ventures.
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I am riding 14.25 and have no problems with manuals  8)
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I've also struggled on manuals with these, I wonder why that is?
It shouldn't be the relative wheelbase, since my manuals are way better on thunders as well as ace on the same deck.
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Besides wheel size which I'll assume was the same, the only other thing it could possibly be is weight, no? That could be it, but I think this phenomenon is purely mental.

Yeah the combination of wb and weight has to be it. The aces are a bit shorter, but also stupid heavy so that kinda cancels it out I guess.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on June 06, 2022, 08:33:06 AM
What have you guys been doing with superglue and the IKP? Haven't ridden mine in 3 months but the bushings were starting to feel softer than I liked, not sure if it was the kingpin loosening or the bushings fully breaking into become overly soft.

Put some super glue on the kingpin nut inside the baseplate.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: AlumarX on June 08, 2022, 09:14:30 PM
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If I can't manual with these trucks on 14.25wb I might have to give up and go back to thunders or ventures.
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I am riding 14.25 and have no problems with manuals  8)
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I've also struggled on manuals with these, I wonder why that is?
It shouldn't be the relative wheelbase, since my manuals are way better on thunders as well as ace on the same deck.
I've no idea. I can get smooth comfortable manuals on damn near every truck I've tried. Maybe wheel size? I think my wheels are somewhere around 49-50mm by now. I'll report back on the 14.25.

I hated manuals on the ATGs until I set them up with some 2 year old Radials that are down to the mid 40mms and now they skate phenomenal.

But it'll have to wait a month, cause my shin splints are hurting even just to walk in. And now I got a calf sprain on that very same leg. I guess this is as good an opportunity as any to finally get my body to skate switch.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on June 09, 2022, 12:03:31 AM
Anyone tried the lights ? Much difference?

Also is the wheelbase the same between normal and lights?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on June 09, 2022, 06:04:20 AM
Anyone tried the lights ? Much difference?

Also is the wheelbase the same between normal and lights?

They just have a hollow kingpin and axle. So everything else should be the same, shouldn't it?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: timv on June 09, 2022, 06:29:52 AM
Anyone tried the lights ? Much difference?

Also is the wheelbase the same between normal and lights?

I do not think the baseplate is any different.  Just a hollow axle and kingpin like said above so wheelbase should be the same.

The only truck brand that I measured a difference of cast vs forged is venture.
I have thunder forged and cast plates and they are the same.  Indy forged vs cast the same.
Venture it is different.  I actually figured out that older cast venture USA plates vs newer cast plates are a bit different also.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 09, 2022, 10:15:19 AM
I feel like these new Royals are the best underdog story in 2022 skateboarding. If there was an 80's movie based on this, the Lurpiv antagonist would be a cool guy badass that everyone liked, but ends up self sabotaging himself in the end due to his ego. Then everyone would realize the humble royal protagonist had what they were looking for all along.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 09, 2022, 11:55:13 PM
Im hesitant about trying the new Royals due to the height and WB difference. Thinking about snapping up all the Royal IV 5.25s I can find and hope they last the rest of my life. I've been skating so good on my set. Or maybe I've been watching too many of Jerry's old parts
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 10, 2022, 01:19:20 AM
Im hesitant about trying the new Royals due to the height and WB difference. Thinking about snapping up all the Royal IV 5.25s I can find and hope they last the rest of my life. I've been skating so good on my set. Or maybe I've been watching too many of Jerry's old parts

Hadn't ridden the old Royals in maybe 15 years but the new ones are worth the money and hold their own among the Big 4. Definitely considering picking up a pair when SWH or Tactics has a sale.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on June 10, 2022, 05:31:12 AM
Anyone tried the lights ? Much difference?

Also is the wheelbase the same between normal and lights?

I have the 8.75 ultra lights, I think they're supposed to be 338g per truck. I should've re-weighed then after I put bones hard and different washers on though. Wheelbase I measured at +3.125", same as my 9.125" Indy Forged Hollows.

Pretty sure they have the same cast baseplate. By the way, it's cast right? Sure looks like it even though Tactics called them "Forged Ultra Lights"
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 10, 2022, 06:52:10 PM
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Also is the wheelbase the same between normal and lights?
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I have the 8.75 ultra lights, I think they're supposed to be 338g per truck. I should've re-weighed then after I put bones hard and different washers on though. Wheelbase I measured at +3.125", same as my 9.125" Indy Forged Hollows.

Pretty sure they have the same cast baseplate. By the way, it's cast right? Sure looks like it even though Tactics called them "Forged Ultra Lights"

Cast plates across them all; I can't recall, but there was some talk of them being rheocasted (like Lurpiv).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Idk on June 14, 2022, 08:10:03 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CewLep1usmP/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

They’re getting non Crail riders on.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: stringsnthings on June 14, 2022, 08:11:51 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CewLep1usmP/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

They’re getting non Crail riders on.

I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 14, 2022, 08:19:37 AM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.

aside from Jerry Hsu, Daniel Espinoza, and Nico Hiraga, have there been non Crail dudes on Royal? i'm blanking on others (if any)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 14, 2022, 08:31:12 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CewLep1usmP/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

They’re getting non Crail riders on.

Poor guy needs a wheel sponsor. Out here riding deathwish wheels. I feel like I would just pay for f4s before riding board brand wheels for free.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on June 14, 2022, 08:47:25 AM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.
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aside from Jerry Hsu, Daniel Espinoza, and Nico Hiraga, have there been non Crail dudes on Royal? i'm blanking on others (if any)

Ave, Wes, Molinar, Dgar. I’m sure there’s more, but those hitters spring to mind. Tbf ave wasn’t skating a bunch at that time, but the other 3, and Jerry, all had some of their best stuff on royals.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 08:59:48 AM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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Poor guy needs a wheel sponsor. Out here riding deathwish wheels. I feel like I would just pay for f4s before riding board brand wheels for free.

I always wonder if, with skaters like this (without a real shoe or wheel sponsor, whatever), they don't want to be seen riding a big name brand because A) it's free advertising for someone who isn't paying them or B) they don't want to be seen to be "pretending" to be sponsored by Spitfire. Like I imagine there's always some of that there, just normal kind of petty shit that I'd probably do if I were in that position.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: mamba on June 14, 2022, 09:02:02 AM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.
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aside from Jerry Hsu, Daniel Espinoza, and Nico Hiraga, have there been non Crail dudes on Royal? i'm blanking on others (if any)
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Ave, Wes, Molinar, Dgar. I’m sure there’s more, but those hitters spring to mind. Tbf ave wasn’t skating a bunch at that time, but the other 3, and Jerry, all had some of their best stuff on royals.

Jose Rojo, Daryl Angel.

Anyone remember before the revamp, the trucks had negative kingpin clearance? Like the kingpin literally stuck out past the axle
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 14, 2022, 09:04:21 AM
AVE was skating a lot just not on Royals. I saw Jerry skate a decent amount during that time period and he was always on Thunders.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 14, 2022, 09:49:30 AM


I always wonder if, with skaters like this (without a real shoe or wheel sponsor, whatever), they don't want to be seen riding a big name brand because A) it's free advertising for someone who isn't paying them or B) they don't want to be seen to be "pretending" to be sponsored by Spitfire. Like I imagine there's always some of that there, just normal kind of petty shit that I'd probably do if I were in that position.

I'd just remove the logos if i was worried about free advertising. As particular as i am with my gear, i feel like i would be even worse if i was getting paid to skate. No way i could rock some deathwish wheels out of spite(fire)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 14, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
Could also just have needed wheels and the warehouse was right there.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 14, 2022, 10:01:50 AM
Could also just have needed wheels and the warehouse was right there.

that is in fact, another possibility.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 10:39:31 AM
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Could also just have needed wheels and the warehouse was right there.
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that is in fact, another possibility.

lol yeah, we are probably overthinking this
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 14, 2022, 12:02:45 PM
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Could also just have needed wheels and the warehouse was right there.
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that is in fact, another possibility.
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lol yeah, we are probably overthinking this

Overthinking? Us? Here? In the "Shoes and Gear" section? ........we would never do that.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on June 14, 2022, 12:18:29 PM
Good for Zach. I thought he was on spit. It looks good for Royal to put bit crail dudes on. Especially if there’s some not fully on dudes from thunder it would be easy transition for them if they got swooped up by Royal.

This has nothing to do with Royal. Or anything just a tangent. But Zach should make a push to be on bones now before a possible take off happens after the new wheels drop. Plus bones can revamp their team. Get rid of the kooks like hart and brezinski. Ryan Reyes and jaws are cool but are they dont really producing anything. Get Zach and some other not officially on spitfire dudes and revamp it for the new crust wheel formula with some more core kinda dudes
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on June 14, 2022, 12:29:54 PM
Sick

Love and the new Royal
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 14, 2022, 12:30:46 PM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.
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aside from Jerry Hsu, Daniel Espinoza, and Nico Hiraga, have there been non Crail dudes on Royal? i'm blanking on others (if any)
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Ave, Wes, Molinar, Dgar. I’m sure there’s more, but those hitters spring to mind. Tbf ave wasn’t skating a bunch at that time, but the other 3, and Jerry, all had some of their best stuff on royals.

I've avoided this thread since page 2 but being reminded that Molinar and DGar used to skate Royals is triggering some serious madness.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on June 14, 2022, 01:36:44 PM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.
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aside from Jerry Hsu, Daniel Espinoza, and Nico Hiraga, have there been non Crail dudes on Royal? i'm blanking on others (if any)
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Ave, Wes, Molinar, Dgar. I’m sure there’s more, but those hitters spring to mind. Tbf ave wasn’t skating a bunch at that time, but the other 3, and Jerry, all had some of their best stuff on royals.
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I've avoided this thread since page 2 but being reminded that Molinar and DGar used to skate Royals is triggering some serious madness.

Some of the best skating, ever, imo. Dunno how big the boards were, dunno if they were on lows, or what, I hope I don’t know. That shared part of them!? Oooof
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Doosh215 on June 14, 2022, 02:55:21 PM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.
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aside from Jerry Hsu, Daniel Espinoza, and Nico Hiraga, have there been non Crail dudes on Royal? i'm blanking on others (if any)
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Ave, Wes, Molinar, Dgar. I’m sure there’s more, but those hitters spring to mind. Tbf ave wasn’t skating a bunch at that time, but the other 3, and Jerry, all had some of their best stuff on royals.
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I've avoided this thread since page 2 but being reminded that Molinar and DGar used to skate Royals is triggering some serious madness.

Just off the top of my head Austyn Gillette, Kerry Getz, Wes Kremer, Daryl Angel, Jose Rojo, Miles Silvas (he was on Lakai at the time so not sure if that counts). Skate Mental was also through crail for a little while so not sure if you'd count Daryl Angel either actually.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 14, 2022, 04:14:30 PM
It's a start! Best thing they can do is start flowing (check out the recent damnAm, lots of royals on the course) and hooking up pros with no truck sponsors.

Even with the madness I can't stay off them. Riding the Ultra lights now (I'm over the IKP fiasco), the weight and materials used aren't worth it.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 14, 2022, 06:10:32 PM
It's a start! Best thing they can do is start flowing (check out the recent damnAm, lots of royals on the course) and hooking up pros with no truck sponsors.

Even with the madness I can't stay off them. Riding the Ultra lights now (I'm over the IKP fiasco), the weight and materials uses aren't worth it.

Their marketing strategy - approach anyone on B-tier truck companies like Destructo and Tensor
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 14, 2022, 09:58:20 PM
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They’re getting non Crail riders on.
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I like this. It's not the same as getting the boss on 4* but I do like the idea of getting dudes outside of rail.
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aside from Jerry Hsu, Daniel Espinoza, and Nico Hiraga, have there been non Crail dudes on Royal? i'm blanking on others (if any)
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Ave, Wes, Molinar, Dgar. I’m sure there’s more, but those hitters spring to mind. Tbf ave wasn’t skating a bunch at that time, but the other 3, and Jerry, all had some of their best stuff on royals.
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I've avoided this thread since page 2 but being reminded that Molinar and DGar used to skate Royals is triggering some serious madness.
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Just off the top of my head Austyn Gillette, Kerry Getz, Wes Kremer, Daryl Angel, Jose Rojo, Miles Silvas (he was on Lakai at the time so not sure if that counts). Skate Mental was also through crail for a little while so not sure if you'd count Daryl Angel either actually.

Can't believe I forgot Wes and DGar! Had no clue about the rest tbh kinda weird to see AVE on the list. I always thought he went from Venture to Indy. I didn't have enough friends to skate with when I was young and only started digging deep into gear as an adult, so finding out about old sponsors gets me hyped.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 14, 2022, 10:03:44 PM
Another random one I had no clue about

https://youtu.be/ywSQGU19NA4
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 15, 2022, 08:37:11 AM
Another random one I had no clue about

https://youtu.be/ywSQGU19NA4

What in the world did I just watch? 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on June 15, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
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Another random one I had no clue about

https://youtu.be/ywSQGU19NA4
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What in the world did I just watch?

Anti-endorsement
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2022, 10:28:55 AM
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Another random one I had no clue about

https://youtu.be/ywSQGU19NA4
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What in the world did I just watch?
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Anti-endorsement

Lol g'nard
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 15, 2022, 10:36:11 AM
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Another random one I had no clue about

https://youtu.be/ywSQGU19NA4
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What in the world did I just watch?
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Anti-endorsement

Spot on. that literally unstoked me.
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Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on June 16, 2022, 05:50:24 AM
Anyone skate these on Primitive decks? Specifically the 8.125?

139s working so well for me on hockey 8 but want a change.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 16, 2022, 09:29:50 AM
Anyone skate these on Primitive decks? Specifically the 8.125?

139s working so well for me on hockey 8 but want a change.


Funny you should ask! I was skating 144s on an 8.125 (14"WB) primitive (Hamilton), they felt great (currently on an Uma with them due to wanting to try a much shorter tail); thing with primitive decks, even with a short WB, they don't feel cramped to me like every other short WB deck does, it's so weird. YMMV.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on June 16, 2022, 10:45:24 AM
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Anyone skate these on Primitive decks? Specifically the 8.125?

139s working so well for me on hockey 8 but want a change.
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Funny you should ask! I was skating 144s on an 8.125 (14"WB) primitive (Hamilton), they felt great (currently on an Uma with them due to wanting to try a much shorter tail); thing with primitive decks, even with a short WB, they don't feel cramped to me like every other short WB deck does, it's so weird. YMMV.

Thanks a mil I'm gonna go for it payday
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Post by: Xen on June 16, 2022, 02:54:06 PM
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Anyone skate these on Primitive decks? Specifically the 8.125?

139s working so well for me on hockey 8 but want a change.
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Funny you should ask! I was skating 144s on an 8.125 (14"WB) primitive (Hamilton), they felt great (currently on an Uma with them due to wanting to try a much shorter tail); thing with primitive decks, even with a short WB, they don't feel cramped to me like every other short WB deck does, it's so weird. YMMV.
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Thanks a mil I'm gonna go for it payday

8" Hockey have short WB so you should be fine.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: toe_knee on June 18, 2022, 08:06:54 PM
Okay, I am a loyal venture rider…but I’ve read this thread and I’m curious. I may get a set to try out
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 21, 2022, 09:25:08 PM
https://crailstore.com/products/w43-d1-royal-the-royal-gass-pro-truck Looking at these- are the forged and ultra light versions lower? I don't want a lower truck.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 21, 2022, 09:34:41 PM
All Royals are labeled as 'Standard'

My Ultralights are the same height as my IKP.

https://crailstore.com/products/w43-d1-royal-the-royal-gass-pro-truck Looking at these- are the forged and ultra light versions lower? I don't want a lower truck.

Yah I have Indy's, Thunders, and had these. I like em all, all solid trucks. At the end of the day I like Indy the best and Thunder second. I think the Royals were good, but I didn't need the 2 brand characteristics mixed if that makes sense. From a geometry perspective the pop feel felt a bit too light for me so I went with what felt the best. Maybe in the future I would try em again.

So what if they were lower/what do you care? You don't ride them anyway.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 21, 2022, 11:24:45 PM
All Royals are labeled as 'Standard'

My Ultralights are the same height as my IKP.

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Same baseplate across all 3 models, only difference is the kingpin (standard, standard hollow, IKP) and axle (standard, hollow).

Went back on these after trying out the AF1 Lows and the Royals definitely suit me better. Minimal adjustment to my foot placement, light enough and stable enough. Such a good middle-of-the-road truck to deal with the madness. Someone said they feel like a lighter Indy Mid.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on June 22, 2022, 03:19:59 AM
Okay, I am a loyal venture rider…but I’ve read this thread and I’m curious. I may get a set to try out

I've been a venture guy my whole life and I'm on Royals now and I love them.

Pretty similar to venture but with more turn
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2022, 10:14:19 AM
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My Ultralights are the same height as my IKP.
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https://crailstore.com/products/w43-d1-royal-the-royal-gass-pro-truck Looking at these- are the forged and ultra light versions lower? I don't want a lower truck.
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Same baseplate across all 3 models, only difference is the kingpin (standard, standard hollow, IKP) and axle (standard, hollow).

Went back on these after trying out the AF1 Lows and the Royals definitely suit me better. Minimal adjustment to my foot placement, light enough and stable enough. Such a good middle-of-the-road truck to deal with the madness. Someone said they feel like a lighter Indy Mid.

Tried the AF1 Lows and the forged hollow Indy Mids, the forged indy mids are very very nice if you want a lower indy, The thing about the royals (and I keep saying this...and ben d. mentioned it as well), but you get a thindy, the best of both...but the turnier venture is also on point.

After riding the IKP, I am def in the ultra ight camp now.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 22, 2022, 10:14:22 AM
All Royals are labeled as 'Standard'

My Ultralights are the same height as my IKP.

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Yah I have Indy's, Thunders, and had these. I like em all, all solid trucks. At the end of the day I like Indy the best and Thunder second. I think the Royals were good, but I didn't need the 2 brand characteristics mixed if that makes sense. From a geometry perspective the pop feel felt a bit too light for me so I went with what felt the best. Maybe in the future I would try em again.
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So what if they were lower/what do you care? You don't ride them anyway.

Last sentence buddy- my friend and I are going to give em an honest shot. I was pretty deep in madness at the time, but have been on the same few setups for months so it will be a much better comparison this time.

Tactics had the forged versions listed at different heights and I didn't want a 48mm truck coming off a 55....
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 22, 2022, 01:09:45 PM
I purchased the Griffin Gass 144's as he apparently gets good % on those, will report back soon.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2022, 02:08:53 PM
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Yah I have Indy's, Thunders, and had these. I like em all, all solid trucks. At the end of the day I like Indy the best and Thunder second. I think the Royals were good, but I didn't need the 2 brand characteristics mixed if that makes sense. From a geometry perspective the pop feel felt a bit too light for me so I went with what felt the best. Maybe in the future I would try em again.
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So what if they were lower/what do you care? You don't ride them anyway.
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Last sentence buddy- my friend and I are going to give em an honest shot. I was pretty deep in madness at the time, but have been on the same few setups for months so it will be a much better comparison this time.

Tactics had the forged versions listed at different heights and I didn't want a 48mm truck coming off a 55....

You should know by know you can't trust any e-tailer (let alone Tactics)

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Yah I have Indy's, Thunders, and had these. I like em all, all solid trucks. At the end of the day I like Indy the best and Thunder second. I think the Royals were good, but I didn't need the 2 brand characteristics mixed if that makes sense. From a geometry perspective the pop feel felt a bit too light for me so I went with what felt the best. Maybe in the future I would try em again.
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So what if they were lower/what do you care? You don't ride them anyway.
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Last sentence buddy- my friend and I are going to give em an honest shot. I was pretty deep in madness at the time, but have been on the same few setups for months so it will be a much better comparison this time.

Tactics had the forged versions listed at different heights and I didn't want a 48mm truck coming off a 55....

Except that's not what your last sentence said implied at all?
"Maybe in the future I would try em again." =/= "my friend and I are going to give em an honest shot."

You know how this forum works, you put up or get shot down. Anyway, after your diatribes against these trucks I'm guessing no one really gives a fuck what you think of them at this point. You hated on them so much before [they were even out] trying (and then changed your tune after riding them), why are you even bothering?

Seriously, let the madness go and just stick to what you like: Mindy/Indies.

You've already tried them and said yourself you don't need a truck that blends two brands together...the lighter version(s) won't change that. But, whatever, buy some so royal gets your money. I hope you hate them =)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 22, 2022, 03:08:33 PM
Thinking of buying a deck that's too steep or too long-wb-y for me just to ride these trucks again because they really are that great. Not a fan of crailtap at all and I keep recommending these trucks to people. They really did that.

Did you guys see royals in the wild yet? I don't know anybody else riding them around here.

These are as close as it gets to a thunder titanium (which still haven't hit europe after 2 years, the source of my truck madness), but the pop is even lighter, which only works for me on steep/long decks unfortunately.

Edit: Talking about standards, the ultralights would be pretty much unskateable to me due to the light pop.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 22, 2022, 03:12:13 PM
"Maybe in the future I would try em again." means that there is a chance I would want to try them again. And I do. I've got a home base truck I can go back to and it seems fun to spend more time on something I've spent little time on. I hated on how the finishing looked on the trucks, yes, but as an adult I am willing to take in new information, amend an opinion, and move forward. I still think they like very generic and don't like the casting finish, but I don't buy trucks based on looks and these are problem free for people. Why not really? In your lingo I am "putting up" by buying them and giving them an honest go not just cycling them through a 4 brand madness phase.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on June 22, 2022, 03:43:06 PM
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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2022, 03:48:24 PM
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Lol.

In all seriousness Hes letting the madness in. I guarantee you he’ll be back on Indy in short order. He’s an Indy guy and that’s fine, no need to switch.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Boog on June 22, 2022, 05:31:09 PM
Zach Allen on Royal
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Mean salto on June 22, 2022, 05:35:45 PM
Zach Allen on Royal
https://youtu.be/Cn68TjLYO88
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on June 22, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
hey, it's all semantics guys. griffin gass rips, royal trucks are good now, fuck it lets skate
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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 22, 2022, 06:04:36 PM
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Lol.

In all seriousness Hes letting the madness in. I guarantee you he’ll be back on Indy in short order. He’s an Indy guy and that’s fine, no need to switch.

Maybe I don't wanna be an Indy dude tho? Maybe the life of the low and snappy is more my speed and I just don't know it yet.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 22, 2022, 06:34:46 PM
Thinking of buying a deck that's too steep or too long-wb-y for me just to ride these trucks again because they really are that great. Not a fan of crailtap at all and I keep recommending these trucks to people. They really did that.

Did you guys see royals in the wild yet? I don't know anybody else riding them around here.

These are as close as it gets to a thunder titanium (which still haven't hit europe after 2 years, the source of my truck madness), but the pop is even lighter, which only works for me on steep/long decks unfortunately.

Edit: Talking about standards, the ultralights would be pretty much unskateable to me due to the light pop.

Good with 14.125 - 14.38 WB is what I like.

My IKP is getting progressively looser, not sure if the bushings are getting softer or the kingpin is coming loose. I applied some super glue to the axle nut under the baseplate but it still loosens.

I'll give them a weekend session before I decide to mess around with them. Either more glue (Loctite) or go to the Standards.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: munchbox on June 22, 2022, 06:41:11 PM
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Lol.

In all seriousness Hes letting the madness in. I guarantee you he’ll be back on Indy in short order. He’s an Indy guy and that’s fine, no need to switch.
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Maybe I don't wanna be an Indy dude tho? Maybe the life of the low and snappy is more my speed and I just don't know it yet.
oh brother
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2022, 06:46:04 PM
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Lol.

In all seriousness Hes letting the madness in. I guarantee you he’ll be back on Indy in short order. He’s an Indy guy and that’s fine, no need to switch.
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Maybe I don't wanna be an Indy dude tho? Maybe the life of the low and snappy is more my speed and I just don't know it yet.

You JUST wrote you don’t want a low truck, now you might….Jesus dude.

Get some forged mindy hollows and be done.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 22, 2022, 06:51:48 PM
Low(er) I guess is what I meant: 52 like a Thunder was 55 like my bowl troll trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2022, 07:01:21 PM
Low(er) I guess is what I meant: 52 like a Thunder was 55 like my bowl troll trucks.

You already own (or did) 52mm Mindys? You're confused dude, I don't know how you get through the day.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 22, 2022, 09:17:46 PM
Ya, I don't consider those low. Low-er than what I ride now would be more accurate. I asked about the Tactics measurements for the forged Royals as 50 would be a bit on the low side. Do you really enjoy being an epic cunt for no reason? There was no need to drag this discussion out beyond just answering my question. I'm legit buying the trucks and "putting up" and you're just being a complete child for no reason and bringing up stuff from months ago strictly to be a douche and give your micropenis a curved boner.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on June 23, 2022, 12:57:18 AM
I haven't written about my experience with the trucks till now, coz you guys have covered all the the things about them, but this month i have finally put them on main setup and have started skating them regularly. I have tried them first earlier this year and in the begining they were too soft and squirly, i usually skate 14 wb and this also adds to the mega turning they have. For the experiement i tried them on an old 14.25 deck and they felt more stable. As for now i set up a new 14 wb with the trucks and tried some old bushing combos and finally settled down to stock bottom and a film top bushing with one tread of the kingpin showing. I think the stock bushing would be perfect for the winter. I will reapeat the other things you have mentioned here - the height, the weight (i am on the raw model), the pop, the grind, the pinch - all good. I had a little trouble nosesliding one super old and crusty ledge and it might be because of the thin baseplate, but with some more wax and not pushing so hard on the ledge it slided ok. On smooth ledges they are buttery. I could not want anything more from a set of trucks. No need for ultra light for me, coz i skate in the range 7.875-8.125 and my set up is not heavy at all. Good job Royal, i would buy them again. And thanx to everyone sharing info here for making me try these. Cheers!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: toe_knee on June 23, 2022, 05:25:05 AM
They need to make a special bike that only backpedals for Lebowski lol, what’s next you gonna start skating loopholes?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 23, 2022, 06:37:29 AM
You people remind back when Kerry was running for President and fake liberals wouldn't vote for him because he "changed his mind" on the Iraq War.

And no, no more Loops. I actually did try them a month ago out front of my house and between reverting and power sliding on asphalt they got large horizontal grooves so I left them at the skatepark where they remained for at least a week.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: toe_knee on June 23, 2022, 07:03:22 AM
You people remind back when Kerry was running for President and fake liberals wouldn't vote for him because he "changed his mind" on the Iraq War.

And no, no more Loops. I actually did try them a month ago out front of my house and between reverting and power sliding on asphalt they got large horizontal grooves so I left them at the skatepark where they remained for at least a week.

I had to google what your were talking about with the Kerry statement,  not cause I’m young or anything, because I don’t care, kinda like I have no interest in hearing what you think about royal trucks, or loophole wheels, but go off sis
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 07:06:12 AM
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You people remind back when Kerry was running for President and fake liberals wouldn't vote for him because he "changed his mind" on the Iraq War.

And no, no more Loops. I actually did try them a month ago out front of my house and between reverting and power sliding on asphalt they got large horizontal grooves so I left them at the skatepark where they remained for at least a week.
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I had to google what your were talking about with the Kerry statement,  not cause I’m young or anything, because I don’t care, kinda like I have no interest in hearing what you think about royal trucks, or loophole wheels, but go off sis


GET A ROOM YOU TWO.

@LebowskisRug @Tony
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Post by: toe_knee on June 23, 2022, 07:16:54 AM
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You people remind back when Kerry was running for President and fake liberals wouldn't vote for him because he "changed his mind" on the Iraq War.

And no, no more Loops. I actually did try them a month ago out front of my house and between reverting and power sliding on asphalt they got large horizontal grooves so I left them at the skatepark where they remained for at least a week.
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I had to google what your were talking about with the Kerry statement,  not cause I’m young or anything, because I don’t care, kinda like I have no interest in hearing what you think about royal trucks, or loophole wheels, but go off sis
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GET A ROOM YOU TWO.

@LebowskisRug @Tony

We do, it’s the new royal trucks section of the slap forum….welcome, it’s about to get sweaty in here
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 23, 2022, 08:54:23 AM
Damn, ordered these at lunch yesterday from Crail store and they're at my doorstep already.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2022, 09:44:05 AM
Ya, I don't consider those low. Low-er than what I ride now would be more accurate. I asked about the Tactics measurements for the forged Royals as 50 would be a bit on the low side. Do you really enjoy being an epic cunt for no reason? There was no need to drag this discussion out beyond just answering my question. I'm legit buying the trucks and "putting up" and you're just being a complete child for no reason and bringing up stuff from months ago strictly to be a douche and give your micropenis a curved boner.

Well sadly no one out there makes a 51mm truck. Suck it up buttercup and ride Thunders, Royals or Mindys.

Name calling...Mr. Salty over here.
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Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 10:08:12 AM

We do, it’s the new royal trucks section of the slap forum….welcome, it’s about to get sweaty in here


lol
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on June 23, 2022, 10:23:21 AM
Damn this is where the action is at, wasted my whole morning reading 23 pages. Def gonna try the 159s ikp coming from Indy forged hollows for two years straight. Have been wanting to go a bit lower.

Thanks to the pals for all the information (and bickering :) )
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on June 23, 2022, 11:07:52 AM
Is this gonna turn into the other threads were dumbasses talk about cast iron skillets or heroin withdrawals instead of the topic lol. Get a room guys.

For the record I found the methadone talk beneficial as a past drug user myself but there's a time and a place.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2022, 11:27:22 AM
Is this gonna turn into the other threads were dumbasses talk about cast iron skillets or heroin withdrawals instead of the topic lol. Get a room guys.

For the record I found the methadone talk beneficial as a past drug user myself but there's a time and a place.

nah, shoes and gear threads dont get derailed for too long. we are very concerned about the topic matter in this region of SLAP. I forsee this royal thread becoming a longtime classic with all the love theyve been getting. people are stoked on them here, and once these royals get more rep outside of SLAP this thread will get even more love.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on June 23, 2022, 12:20:30 PM
@LebowskisRug @Xen ya’ll got me dying thank you. Appreciate the content.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 23, 2022, 06:27:21 PM
Damn this is where the action is at, wasted my whole morning reading 23 pages. Def gonna try the 159s ikp coming from Indy forged hollows for two years straight. Have been wanting to go a bit lower.

Thanks to the pals for all the information (and bickering :) )

@schralp pal go for the standard kingpin models, they get loose really quick.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on June 23, 2022, 07:55:27 PM
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Damn this is where the action is at, wasted my whole morning reading 23 pages. Def gonna try the 159s ikp coming from Indy forged hollows for two years straight. Have been wanting to go a bit lower.

Thanks to the pals for all the information (and bickering :) )
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@schralp pal go for the standard kingpin models, they get loose really quick.

Yeah, I was looking at the griffs again since he gets a royalty (see what I did there) - wonder if zach allen will get a pro model soon.

I have a new pair of the indy winkowski 159s waiting when my current set dies, but thought Id hop on something else first for fun and I have never had an inverted kingpin truck ever. I almost clicked the order submit button today.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on June 24, 2022, 04:45:29 AM
Maybe it's just my deck combo but I'm finding manuals tricky on these? That's my only issue. Anyone else?
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Post by: El Freegano on June 24, 2022, 05:15:39 AM
Maybe it's just my deck combo but I'm finding manuals tricky on these? That's my only issue. Anyone else?
I guess it is because the bushings are too soft. You could tighten or change them for harder ones. I do only a couple of basic manuals but i do feel better after i changed the top bushing for an old harder one and tighten the nut tlll one tread showing. I guess i would be even better if a buy some new harder bushings, but still havent decided between the blue indy 92 barrel or the black indy 94 conical. If anyone have tried different bushings than the stock could give some advice.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 24, 2022, 07:17:43 AM
If you want 144 just wait for me to lose it and move back to home base.
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Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on June 24, 2022, 10:43:25 AM
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I guess it is because the bushings are too soft. You could tighten or change them for harder ones. I do only a couple of basic manuals but i do feel better after i changed the top bushing for an old harder one and tighten the nut tlll one tread showing. I guess i would be even better if a buy some new harder bushings, but still havent decided between the blue indy 92 barrel or the black indy 94 conical. If anyone have tried different bushings than the stock could give some advice.

I'm running Bones hards with small Krux/Royal washers top and bottom to try and keep the height of the bushings the same. They fit alright but I can hear them slipping occasionally. I don't really care too much because I just really enjoy the feel of Bones hards in general
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Post by: MxsDx on June 24, 2022, 10:12:00 PM
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I guess it is because the bushings are too soft. You could tighten or change them for harder ones. I do only a couple of basic manuals but i do feel better after i changed the top bushing for an old harder one and tighten the nut tlll one tread showing. I guess i would be even better if a buy some new harder bushings, but still havent decided between the blue indy 92 barrel or the black indy 94 conical. If anyone have tried different bushings than the stock could give some advice.
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I'm running Bones hards with small Krux/Royal washers top and bottom to try and keep the height of the bushings the same. They fit alright but I can hear them slipping occasionally. I don't really care too much because I just really enjoy the feel of Bones hards in general

The Royal bottom bushing is 1 mm taller than Indy bushings (top is same height). I put in Indy aftermarket bushings, but added a bones washer under the bottom cup to maintain the correct geo. Worked well.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on June 25, 2022, 08:35:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn68TjLYO88
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 26, 2022, 04:55:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn68TjLYO88

Uninspiring clip if you ask me.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 26, 2022, 05:26:47 PM
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Uninspiring clip if you ask me.
Well, it’s Zach Allen. It’s like Jeff Dechesere doing a griptape ad.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 26, 2022, 09:52:05 PM
Has anyone measured the kingpin and yoke angle on these? The turn is really interesting to me. It's kinda like a Venture at first but then really arcs in quick. I'm finding wheelbite rather annoying with them even with the rear showing 2 threads (not a tight truck dude either) but I'm mostly curious as to what they did to accomplish this.

The bottom bushing sits way closer to the board than an Indy but visually the kingpin angle looks similar. The baseplate holes and pivot/kingpin also seem to line up. Im thinking they took the Indy kingpin angle, used a Venture style plate construction, and probably a Thunder hanger or at least the yoke angle.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 27, 2022, 05:06:10 PM
Got a nice sesh on these today and so far so good. They honestly feel like a lighter Indy Mid. The bushings are firming up nicely and I am much more used to the turn. I'd say compared to my normal Indy's the pop feel is lighter, but really easy to figure out and it isn't so light that the board feels like it will leave your feet. That's a feeling I didn't like with Forged Ti in the past. I will eventually compare my Forged Plates with hollow hangers and measure all the geometry of my Indy and Thunders to compare.

I will say that I still feel the raw casting looks cheap. My Thunders are raw and I saw some raw Ventures yesterday and they all look much less pitted and chunky. That's my own choice since I got the Griffin Gass raws. It's honestly not even a big deal tho and if I wanted I could take a buffing wheel to em real quick and smooth em up. I will take them to the slappy spot tomorrow but so far on my normal curb the grind feels like a Venture and they do sound a bit weird when the board hits the ground, but that's not a knock against them because it fundamentally doesn't matter.

So far I would say that I would definitely prefer these over Thunder and Venture and I rode Thunders a lot growing up and have a soft spot for them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 27, 2022, 06:24:07 PM
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Got a nice sesh on these today and so far so good. They honestly feel like a lighter Indy Mid. The bushings are firming up nicely and I am much more used to the turn. I'd say compared to my normal Indy's the pop feel is lighter, but really easy to figure out and it isn't so light that the board feels like it will leave your feet. That's a feeling I didn't like with Forged Ti in the past. I will eventually compare my Forged Plates with hollow hangers and measure all the geometry of my Indy and Thunders to compare.

I will say that I still feel the raw casting looks cheap. My Thunders are raw and I saw some raw Ventures yesterday and they all look much less pitted and chunky. That's my own choice since I got the Griffin Gass raws. It's honestly not even a big deal tho and if I wanted I could take a buffing wheel to em real quick and smooth em up. I will take them to the slappy spot tomorrow but so far on my normal curb the grind feels like a Venture and they do sound a bit weird when the board hits the ground, but that's not a knock against them because it fundamentally doesn't matter.

So far I would say that I would definitely prefer these over Thunder and Venture and I rode Thunders a lot growing up and have a soft spot for them.
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Interesting report. If I didn't JUST commit to thunder, I would try these.

I don't see a Thunder tattoo across the chest, come on..........

Such a good "throw these on any deck and ride" truck, anytime the WB is around the 14.25 mark I'm slapping these on.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 27, 2022, 08:02:10 PM
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Got a nice sesh on these today and so far so good. They honestly feel like a lighter Indy Mid. The bushings are firming up nicely and I am much more used to the turn. I'd say compared to my normal Indy's the pop feel is lighter, but really easy to figure out and it isn't so light that the board feels like it will leave your feet. That's a feeling I didn't like with Forged Ti in the past. I will eventually compare my Forged Plates with hollow hangers and measure all the geometry of my Indy and Thunders to compare.

I will say that I still feel the raw casting looks cheap. My Thunders are raw and I saw some raw Ventures yesterday and they all look much less pitted and chunky. That's my own choice since I got the Griffin Gass raws. It's honestly not even a big deal tho and if I wanted I could take a buffing wheel to em real quick and smooth em up. I will take them to the slappy spot tomorrow but so far on my normal curb the grind feels like a Venture and they do sound a bit weird when the board hits the ground, but that's not a knock against them because it fundamentally doesn't matter.

So far I would say that I would definitely prefer these over Thunder and Venture and I rode Thunders a lot growing up and have a soft spot for them.
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Interesting report. If I didn't JUST commit to thunder, I would try these.
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I don't see a Thunder tattoo across the chest, come on..........

Such a good "throw these on any deck and ride" truck, anytime the WB is around the 14.25 mark I'm slapping these on.
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Nah, I’ve got a job so I got the thunder tat on the inside of my lip.

My Venture tattoo is on my taint, reserved viewing for the missus and my doctor.

https://www.tactics.com/royal/trucks/sale
The IKP ones are 20% off on Tactics, 10% extra discount on your first order. Great time to get on the Royal bandwagon.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 10:38:13 AM
My early conclusion is still that these trucks are really good. Very surprised, however I do agree with Ben Degros that there are drawbacks:

1. I slide worse on them than other trucks. The baseplate material is hard and feels like it grinds slow. On Thunders it takes me a single slappy to remember how to weight the nose and I still slide on the plates on them.
2. The grind isn't great feeling but it's workable. Definitely like a Venture on concrete, pretty good on metal coping although I never notice differences there really. Crook pinch is good as expected. Kingpin clearance as measured is basically with .5mm of a Thunder, obviously worse than anything taller.
3. Bushings firm up after about an hour or so. Turn is great. I don't remember my Mids super well to compare. If you ride looser these will be looser stock. The bushings are also not mushy in the heat. I would definitely buy these bushings if they sold them aftermarket. No pivot squeak either. I can easily go back and forth from Indy to these and take almost no time to adjust to the turn.
4. Pretty snappy and lighter pop than an Indy but my timing didn't change much. Again, I could skate these and in a few Ollie's and kickflips be doing the same shit. For me personally I prefer the Indy pop it feels a bit crispier and marginally heftier, but after Indy I'd say I prefer this pop feel over other brands.
5. Board does sound a bit tinny with them but I don't care about that.

Personally I'm not sure I have any reason to choose them over Indy. Id have to want a lighter pop feel and be cool with the trade offs, but as of right now I don't feel I need that. I might actually put them on a cruiser setup cuz they would lighten up the bigger board and the turn is pretty rad. Wheelbite isn't an issue either.

I still feel the raws look cheap. Polished look nicer. Hopefully more people get on these and Royal puts out some harder bushings but I think a lot of people would be better served by these than Ventures if they are used to Indy's. I like Thunders a lot as well, but would choose Royals over them these days.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 28, 2022, 03:48:15 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/hYgKCrj/F60-B7664-E3-D7-498-F-90-BD-1-C03-EC145956.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hYgKCrj)

Took this picture to comment on it being a pretty random sponsorship.  Realized someone already posted it.  But I put in the effort to take it so whatever.

Is Zach Allen the only non-Crail rider of Royals?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 28, 2022, 04:44:33 PM
According to that ad, he is on Royal Trucks, not of them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 28, 2022, 05:02:50 PM
According to that ad, he is on Royal Trucks, not of them.

Good catch.  On*

Unless this is some next level mind games
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 29, 2022, 12:48:39 PM
Swapped in ACE bottoms with low tops for giggles, felt pretty much the same; low top makes for a bunch of threads showing tho, around 3-4. Switched back to stock.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on June 30, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
Today was super hot and my bushings felt like melting. I guess i have to leave the stock bushings for the colder days,
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on July 03, 2022, 12:30:43 AM
Getting next for my Royals. Hockey has served me well but I'm getting the itch.

Yes I know it's blind but I'm intrigued to try R7 deck and the dims look like a sure shot with the Royals?

https://venerobcn.com/shop/skateboards/skateboard-decks/blind-tj-reaper-impersonator-r7-skateboard-deck-8/
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on July 03, 2022, 02:56:00 AM
Getting next for my Royals. Hockey has served me well but I'm getting the itch.

Yes I know it's blind but I'm intrigued to try R7 deck and the dims look like a sure shot with the Royals?

https://venerobcn.com/shop/skateboards/skateboard-decks/blind-tj-reaper-impersonator-r7-skateboard-deck-8/

Length: 31.6875
WB 14.25

Yeah that would work since Royals don't stretch the wheels out too far like Thunder or Venture.

DSM R7 mellow concave are more like a medium mellow and I'm really liking that, feel better control over my flips with a less aggressive shape.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on July 03, 2022, 03:02:06 AM
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Getting next for my Royals. Hockey has served me well but I'm getting the itch.

Yes I know it's blind but I'm intrigued to try R7 deck and the dims look like a sure shot with the Royals?

https://venerobcn.com/shop/skateboards/skateboard-decks/blind-tj-reaper-impersonator-r7-skateboard-deck-8/
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Length: 31.6875
WB 14.25

Yeah that would work since Royals don't stretch the wheels out too far like Thunder or Venture.

DSM R7 mellow concave are more like a medium mellow and I'm really liking that, feel better control over my flips with a less aggressive shape.

Oh sweet you riding one now ?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on July 03, 2022, 03:26:51 AM
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Getting next for my Royals. Hockey has served me well but I'm getting the itch.

Yes I know it's blind but I'm intrigued to try R7 deck and the dims look like a sure shot with the Royals?

https://venerobcn.com/shop/skateboards/skateboard-decks/blind-tj-reaper-impersonator-r7-skateboard-deck-8/
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Length: 31.6875
WB 14.25

Yeah that would work since Royals don't stretch the wheels out too far like Thunder or Venture.

DSM R7 mellow concave are more like a medium mellow and I'm really liking that, feel better control over my flips with a less aggressive shape.
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Oh sweet you riding one now ?

Rode a Blind 8.38 R7 last month and currently on a Enjoi 8.25 Impact Light. Unforgiving stiffness but they keep their pop and shape really long.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 03, 2022, 07:21:08 AM
I felt the Royal's light pop feel made them feel really solid on 14.38 and I'd run them on 14.5. Then again I'd probably run Thunders on the same but hated Venture on 14.38 or steep kicks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on July 03, 2022, 09:52:25 PM
Getting next for my Royals. Hockey has served me well but I'm getting the itch.

Yes I know it's blind but I'm intrigued to try R7 deck and the dims look like a sure shot with the Royals?

https://venerobcn.com/shop/skateboards/skateboard-decks/blind-tj-reaper-impersonator-r7-skateboard-deck-8/
This is gonna be a great combo. I have also been looking to this model on the titus shop ( it is on sale for 55 euros there) and dont mind that it is blind, it is TJ Rogers after all and he deserves support :) I still go back and forth on the 14 and 14.25 wb decks i have with the royals. I feel them more stable on the 14.25 when riding in the streets and my pop gets better, but the last time i sk8ed on the 14 wb deck i relearned fs heel flip and started doing flip nose slide very often.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on July 03, 2022, 11:48:56 PM
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Getting next for my Royals. Hockey has served me well but I'm getting the itch.

Yes I know it's blind but I'm intrigued to try R7 deck and the dims look like a sure shot with the Royals?

https://venerobcn.com/shop/skateboards/skateboard-decks/blind-tj-reaper-impersonator-r7-skateboard-deck-8/
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This is gonna be a great combo. I have also been looking to this model on the titus shop ( it is on sale for 55 euros there) and dont mind that it is blind, it is TJ Rogers after all and he deserves support :) I still go back and forth on the 14 and 14.25 wb decks i have with the royals. I feel them more stable on the 14.25 when riding in the streets and my pop gets better, but the last time i sk8ed on the 14 wb deck i relearned fs heel flip and started doing flip nose slide very often.

Absolutely
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on July 07, 2022, 03:51:53 PM
Got my 159 inverteds today. Nice looking truck not As raw looking as Lebowski had us believe with the “craters”.

Usually skate that standard bbs 8.5 you can find with frog or alltimers, fullish nose and a bit of a tapered tail, 32 or a tad longer and 14.5 wb paired with Indy 159 forged (?) hollows. But my next board up is a limo 8.5 with 14.38 wb a little more mellow concave and pretty pointy on both ends.

Wanted a lower truck because I’ve been getting some ghost pop on my indys. Got the inverted because I’ve always wanted some and this will always be a novelty truck for me, can’t see myself straying from Indy too long.

I didn’t touch the kingpin before skating and Haven’t grinded anything yet, board felt lighter, pop was easy to figure out got some quick manuals pretty easily. Turn was carvey but not exactly surfy, kind of twitchy at a certain speed when I was going downhill, will be interesting when I pump transition. Overall felt great, nothing made me question the quality. But yeah will report back after a park session

Let’s see if I can get these pics to post

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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 07, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
Curious about the Limo is it a true 8.5?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on July 07, 2022, 06:10:57 PM
Curious about the Limo is it a true 8.5?

I’d say yeah, it’s not like that anti hero 8.5 that feels small. This is a team board maybe the pro boards are different. Maybe it’s similar to a baker shape?

(https://i.imgur.com/uxdQWpM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/u0l8PDi.jpg)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 13, 2022, 05:47:08 PM
Out of curiosity I compared kingpin clearance on a few trucks I have sitting around. Put a level on the hanger and measure distance to the kingpin.

Royal: 7/64"
Thunder: 9/64"
Indy Mid: 11/64"
Indy Standard: 15/64"

So those claiming the clearance is good and Indy Mids aren't are incorrect- it is 1/16" worse, possibly a tad more. Granted this is just a linear measurement and doesn't take into account grinding at an angle like a smith.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on July 13, 2022, 06:30:15 PM
Out of curiosity I compared kingpin clearance on a few trucks I have sitting around. Put a level on the hanger and measure distance to the kingpin.

Royal: 7/64"
Thunder: 9/64"
Indy Mid: 11/64"
Indy Standard: 15/64"

So those claiming the clearance is good and Indy Mids aren't are incorrect- it is 1/16" worse, possibly a tad more. Granted this is just a linear measurement and doesn't take into account grinding at an angle like a smith.

Royal inverted kingpins or standard? Does the IKP really matter for y'all? I can't hold smith grinds for very long, so I can't really tell the difference right now.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 13, 2022, 08:00:19 PM
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Out of curiosity I compared kingpin clearance on a few trucks I have sitting around. Put a level on the hanger and measure distance to the kingpin.

Royal: 7/64"
Thunder: 9/64"
Indy Mid: 11/64"
Indy Standard: 15/64"

So those claiming the clearance is good and Indy Mids aren't are incorrect- it is 1/16" worse, possibly a tad more. Granted this is just a linear measurement and doesn't take into account grinding at an angle like a smith.
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Royal inverted kingpins or standard? Does the IKP really matter for y'all? I can't hold smith grinds for very long, so I can't really tell the difference right now.

It's heavier than standard and doesn't net much clearance if at all. Gets loose for some (not for me yet) and the metal used apparently doesn't grind as well as a regs pin.

Just get standards or ultra lights (hollows).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 13, 2022, 08:18:02 PM
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Out of curiosity I compared kingpin clearance on a few trucks I have sitting around. Put a level on the hanger and measure distance to the kingpin.

Royal: 7/64"
Thunder: 9/64"
Indy Mid: 11/64"
Indy Standard: 15/64"

So those claiming the clearance is good and Indy Mids aren't are incorrect- it is 1/16" worse, possibly a tad more. Granted this is just a linear measurement and doesn't take into account grinding at an angle like a smith.
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Royal inverted kingpins or standard? Does the IKP really matter for y'all? I can't hold smith grinds for very long, so I can't really tell the difference right now.

Royal Standard.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 13, 2022, 08:47:23 PM
I've wondered about how kingpins grind lately cuz of the IKP convo. Normally the nut is what makes contact first, which is really soft. Do cast standard kingpins grind more or less hard than the hollow kingpins? It's probably marginally.

I also wonder why these IKP are domed and not just flat like the Lurpiv one was?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 14, 2022, 10:15:02 AM
I've wondered about how kingpins grind lately cuz of the IKP convo. Normally the nut is what makes contact first, which is really soft. Do cast standard kingpins grind more or less hard than the hollow kingpins? It's probably marginally.

I also wonder why these IKP are domed and not just flat like the Lurpiv one was?

Because more than 10 seconds of R&D went into these new royals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDnSQnh3Les
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 14, 2022, 10:31:14 AM

I also wonder why these IKP are domed and not just flat like the Lurpiv one was?

Royal has the same style pin as krux/indy, so the supply chain [all made in china] is there. Lurpiv's pin is sourced and assembled in sweden.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 14, 2022, 10:46:27 AM
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I also wonder why these IKP are domed and not just flat like the Lurpiv one was?
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Royal has the same style pin as krux/indy, so the supply chain [all made in china] is there. Lurpiv's pin is sourced and assembled in sweden.

Arguably a better design than Lurpiv though right?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: PuffinMuffin on July 14, 2022, 11:23:16 AM
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I also wonder why these IKP are domed and not just flat like the Lurpiv one was?
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Royal has the same style pin as krux/indy, so the supply chain [all made in china] is there. Lurpiv's pin is sourced and assembled in sweden.
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Arguably a better design than Lurpiv though right?

The Lurpiv issue wasn't because they used a button head bolt. It was the shoulder in the bolt that stepped down to 5/16ths instead of 3/8ths which caused the Lurpiv self-loosening issue. So these should be reasonably solid. Inverted pins are more prone to reaming out the kingpin hole and coming undone though. Best to use threadlocker.  :)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 14, 2022, 12:38:19 PM
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I also wonder why these IKP are domed and not just flat like the Lurpiv one was?
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Royal has the same style pin as krux/indy, so the supply chain [all made in china] is there. Lurpiv's pin is sourced and assembled in sweden.
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Arguably a better design than Lurpiv though right?
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The Lurpiv issue wasn't because they used a button head bolt. It was the shoulder in the bolt that stepped down to 5/16ths instead of 3/8ths which caused the Lurpiv self-loosening issue. So these should be reasonably solid. Inverted pins are more prone to reaming out the kingpin hole and coming undone though. Best to use threadlocker.  :)

That was def the main issue. However, i felt like my IKP would catch pretty hard sometimes on the lurps becuase of the thick sharp edges. The lack of a center allen socket to adjust seems like a worse design to me as well. Especially if you manage to round off that IKP, which wasnt a standard size of any of the "skate tool" sockets to begin with, which some would say is another flaw, but thats debatable.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 14, 2022, 02:02:58 PM
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I also wonder why these IKP are domed and not just flat like the Lurpiv one was?
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Royal has the same style pin as krux/indy, so the supply chain [all made in china] is there. Lurpiv's pin is sourced and assembled in sweden.
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Arguably a better design than Lurpiv though right?

From a functional POV? I'd say yes as they have hex and allen, lurpiv just hex. Luprive appears to be lower as well?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on July 15, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
Have not made it to the park yet, but had some fun on a ledge that is a tall red curb. Got tossed from wheelbite on my 55 f4 classics though, but i dont want to ride a smaller wheel, so i waxed the bite marks and seems okay. buttery grind and really enjoying these squishy bushings and light pop. skated some pretty rough asphalt but the IKP doesn't seem loose yet. Might be in my head, but seems the axel does not allow the wheel to spin as fast as an Indy axel? Like there is a bit more friction?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: bbk on July 15, 2022, 06:18:54 PM
The axle has no effect on spin what so ever. The inner part of a bearing doesn't move much, the rest of the bearing spin.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 15, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
Curious on how long term users found the grind. Seems to be the main complaint but maybe they just need more time to break in.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on July 15, 2022, 11:50:03 PM
Curious on how long term users found the grind. Seems to be the main complaint but maybe they just need more time to break in.

Zero complaints about them, a little softer than a Venture.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on July 16, 2022, 07:49:39 AM
The axle has no effect on spin what so ever. The inner part of a bearing doesn't move much, the rest of the bearing spin.

Damn I need to take a physics class or something
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 16, 2022, 08:08:08 AM
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Curious on how long term users found the grind. Seems to be the main complaint but maybe they just need more time to break in.
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Zero complaints about them, a little softer than a Venture.

Strange. Everyone I know in real life, Ben D, and a few others in this thread (including me) found the grind as hard a Venture and just not great, but we didn't ride them as long. It's why I gave up on them actually.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on July 17, 2022, 06:25:54 AM
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Curious on how long term users found the grind. Seems to be the main complaint but maybe they just need more time to break in.
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Zero complaints about them, a little softer than a Venture.
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Strange. Everyone I know in real life, Ben D, and a few others in this thread (including me) found the grind as hard a Venture and just not great, but we didn't ride them as long. It's why I gave up on them actually.

Same here. I skated a crusty ledge and kept sticking and out thunders back on. I’ll def revisit royals if I get a longer WB deck.  I didn’t give them a fair shot
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 17, 2022, 06:47:03 AM
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Curious on how long term users found the grind. Seems to be the main complaint but maybe they just need more time to break in.
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Zero complaints about them, a little softer than a Venture.
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Strange. Everyone I know in real life, Ben D, and a few others in this thread (including me) found the grind as hard a Venture and just not great, but we didn't ride them as long. It's why I gave up on them actually.

I don't get how that could make you give up on these trucks (In case you like everything else about them). They're not harder than AF1 or ventures, which are just fine once you get used to it. The grind on concrete is amazing. I'm not currently riding the royals (AF1 lows), but I'm really happy I bought 2 sets when they came out. Really solid trucks that I'm gonna ride with long wb and/or short tail decks in the future.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 17, 2022, 07:12:10 AM
I don't prefer the Venture grind and didn't spend much time on AF1, but they felt like a lighter pop Indy Mid to me and the Indy grind is better. I didn't need anything they provided really. I posted up thread that I think they're really good trucks but let's be honest if you prefer Indy's as I seem to then comparing trucks to them is a tough competition since they're a good all arounder. I'm thinking about trying them on a bigger deck.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 17, 2022, 12:07:09 PM
Curious on how long term users found the grind. Seems to be the main complaint but maybe they just need more time to break in.

Not sure if I'm consider myself "long term", but I skated them for about a month (during which time I was unemployed and skating a lot) and honestly I thought the grind was terrible. The trucks turn beautifully, great pop and flick - all of that they nailed. But hitting anything other than skatepark angle-iron ledges on these I found to be awful and I get bucked immediately several times. If I let them really grind down, maybe this wouldn't have been a problem, but the issue was that it seemed like it was going to take a really long time to get a decent grinding surface on them since the act of grinding hard concrete was so difficult.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Jonny7.5Alive on July 18, 2022, 02:58:34 AM
I'm not experiencing this grinding issue at all. They grind perfect
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on July 18, 2022, 03:17:21 AM
I have been mostly on ventures before and can not talk about the comparison with the other brands like indy and thunder, but for me the grind is ok. Super buttery on metal and smooth ledges, definitely not so good on rougher surfaces, but still menagable. My complain is more to the baseplate slide on rougher ledges, i just get cought on the ledge so i have to change the way i slide (to use only the nose or the tail and not pushing the baseplate so much to the ledge). On metal and smooth ledges the slides are super.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 18, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
I found they took a bit to break in, just like a Venture or AF1.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: fur lined sea on July 21, 2022, 04:13:33 AM
My early conclusion is still that these trucks are really good. Very surprised, however I do agree with Ben Degros that there are drawbacks:

1. I slide worse on them than other trucks. The baseplate material is hard and feels like it grinds slow. On Thunders it takes me a single slappy to remember how to weight the nose and I still slide on the plates on them.
2. The grind isn't great feeling but it's workable. Definitely like a Venture on concrete, pretty good on metal coping although I never notice differences there really. Crook pinch is good as expected. Kingpin clearance as measured is basically with .5mm of a Thunder, obviously worse than anything taller.
3. Bushings firm up after about an hour or so. Turn is great. I don't remember my Mids super well to compare. If you ride looser these will be looser stock. The bushings are also not mushy in the heat. I would definitely buy these bushings if they sold them aftermarket.No pivot squeak either. I can easily go back and forth from Indy to these and take almost no time to adjust to the turn.
4. Pretty snappy and lighter pop than an Indy but my timing didn't change much. Again, I could skate these and in a few Ollie's and kickflips be doing the same shit. For me personally I prefer the Indy pop it feels a bit crispier and marginally heftier, but after Indy I'd say I prefer this pop feel over other brands.
5. Board does sound a bit tinny with them but I don't care about that.

Personally I'm not sure I have any reason to choose them over Indy. Id have to want a lighter pop feel and be cool with the trade offs, but as of right now I don't feel I need that. I might actually put them on a cruiser setup cuz they would lighten up the bigger board and the turn is pretty rad. Wheelbite isn't an issue either.

I still feel the raws look cheap. Polished look nicer. Hopefully more people get on these and Royal puts out some harder bushings but I think a lot of people would be better served by these than Ventures if they are used to Indy's. I like Thunders a lot as well, but would choose Royals over them these days.

So did you like the bushings or not? Really confused by all your rambling on Royals.




They grind fine.

In fact, they're pretty much the perfect truck imo.

The baseplate holds up. By that I mean it sticks out enough that it'll slide on the baseplate. For me they've gotten to a point where the baseplates are not really wearing down and don't seem to be wearing through to the pivot cup. Wearing out a baseplate through to the pivot cup happens so fast on Ventures and Ace for me.

I haven't hit axle yet and everything else is working just fine. I'm really glad I gave them a try.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 21, 2022, 09:15:59 AM
I think it's fairly clear. I think the bushings are too soft. I ride Indy's 1 turn tighter than stock and lots of people consider my board loose. The grind is on par with Venture which for me is below Thunder/Indy/Ace. I thought the baseplate was the worst part actually. It touched the ledge unlike Thunder, but the harsher metal and the logo seemed to catch on chunks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on July 21, 2022, 09:41:47 AM
Yeah, my baseplate is wearing faster than anything which is weird.

Still absolutely love the pop and turn, and I like the bushings because they are squishy like the white indy soft ones kinda.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 21, 2022, 10:52:45 AM
Ya I gave a long list because I wanted to provide as much info as possible for someone else to decide. It's splitting hairs and they're among the big 4 for sure.

Personally I don't like the squish. I would rather have a Thunder turn honestly but that's just my own turn arc preferences. They're like a less stable/more carvy Venture.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: CrustyCurbs on July 24, 2022, 02:51:49 PM
Any recommendations for aftermarket bushings?
Brought a pair of 144s after lurking on this thread, liking them a lot except for the fact that I find the bushings too soft.
Looked at putting the stock bushings from my last pair of indys in but they're clearly not the same dimensions so imagine that's not ideal.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 24, 2022, 06:33:44 PM
Any recommendations for aftermarket bushings?
Brought a pair of 144s after lurking on this thread, liking them a lot except for the fact that I find the bushings too soft.
Looked at putting the stock bushings from my last pair of indys in but they're clearly not the same dimensions so imagine that's not ideal.

I don't recommend bones as they ruined the turn for me. I tried ACE regular bottoms with a low ace top and they felt like stock, only with a lot of kingpin thread showing (bottoms are shorter than royal stocks).

The royal tops are regular size so anything will work...the bottoms are taller than Indy stocks by just a bit. Safe bet would be the new Pigs, Krux or DLX Bait & Tackle.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 24, 2022, 09:25:46 PM
Krux bottom is taller than indy bottom.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on July 25, 2022, 12:20:28 AM
I remember that Xen and other people have mentioned that the indy conical bushings have a bit taller bottom bushing than their barrell bushings. A friend told me he replaced the stock royals with  blue indy conical and it felt better but still needs a bit more stability, so i guess the black 94 conical would be great for the summer and  for the winter the royals stock bushings will be super. I was thinking to get the black indy concials but now i bought 2nd hand thunders 147 and currently enjoying them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vicious cycle on July 25, 2022, 07:43:08 AM
I just put some ACE hard bushings in them.
First I cut the top bushing to the sice of the og ones.
But they basically still felt to loose.
So I bought a second set of the ACE hards and just put them in like they are. Top is taler then the royals. Now, the nut is flush and after a few sessions in the heat they feel pretty nice. Still good turn and more rebound.
And surprisingly not to thight or anything.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 25, 2022, 08:51:53 AM
I remember that Xen and other people have mentioned that the indy conical bushings have a bit taller bottom bushing than their barrell bushings. A friend told me he replaced the stock royals with  blue indy conical and it felt better but still needs a bit more stability, so i guess the black 94 conical would be great for the summer and  for the winter the royals stock bushings will be super. I was thinking to get the black indy concials but now i bought 2nd hand thunders 147 and currently enjoying them.

@CrustyCurbs

Yep, indy conical aftermarkets (all aftermarket indys) are taller than [newer] stock indy bushings. The recent 96a aftermarkets I picked up are still the 'old' stock height.

The indy bottoms became lower when they switched manufacturing to China.

EDIT: just double checked. royals bottoms = Indy aftermarket bottoms (barrel or conical).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 25, 2022, 10:02:45 AM
I can confirm the Indy bushing height diff. It ain't much, but it's 1mm, which is like half a turn or more of the kingpin nut. I couldn't figure out why one set of Indy felt better despite being looser than the other. That set was from the USA and had stock bushings in, which were 1mm higher than the new stock bushings.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: CrustyCurbs on July 27, 2022, 09:48:26 AM
Thanks for the responses, just measured the royal bushings and looks like the bottom is 14mm high and the top is 11mm high, so I think both the top and bottom are taller than indy.

That said I've temporarily put some stock indies in and the turn is fine just loads of kingpin thread showing which upsets me.

Looking to buy either ace or krux bushings as both sound like they are taller, will report back if they work.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 27, 2022, 09:54:22 AM
Get Ace standards or Hards- bottom is 14 and top is 12. Sand down the top a bit (or not, since most people have tons of threads showing on their Royals.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on July 28, 2022, 02:49:41 AM
I find crooks on these much harder than ventures. Any tips
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: In A Jar on July 28, 2022, 08:01:44 AM
I find crooks on these much harder than ventures. Any tips

I have the same problem. 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 28, 2022, 09:38:52 AM
I found em the same honestly. What specifically are you having problems with? Falling out? Getting into noseslides? Sticking?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: In A Jar on July 28, 2022, 09:42:55 AM
I found em the same honestly. What specifically are you having problems with? Falling out? Getting into noseslides? Sticking?

My issue is falling out.  Even with a wider Royal (149) versus Venture (5.2 low or 5.6)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on July 28, 2022, 01:07:14 PM
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I found em the same honestly. What specifically are you having problems with? Falling out? Getting into noseslides? Sticking?
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My issue is falling out.  Even with a wider Royal (149) versus Venture (5.2 low or 5.6)

Yep me too. Falling out. And just overall feeling less locked in/secure
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: schralp pal on July 28, 2022, 01:48:53 PM
on coping I felt like i was sliding all over the place
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: baustin on July 28, 2022, 01:52:23 PM
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I found em the same honestly. What specifically are you having problems with? Falling out? Getting into noseslides? Sticking?
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My issue is falling out.  Even with a wider Royal (149) versus Venture (5.2 low or 5.6)
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Yep me too. Falling out. And just overall feeling less locked in/secure

Had this issue big time until I formed the crook groove and got used to where the weight needed to be to pinch. Still never felt as secure as a Thunder or Venture though and still occasionally prone to slip out or into noseslide. In my experience longer wb trucks like Venture and Thunder get into that crook position faster and easier and feel better doing the trick overall than the shorter wb variety (Indy, Ace, new Royal). You can get used to it and do the trick fine but it ain’t gonna feel the same
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2022, 11:44:46 PM
They got Stevie

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgR5jwnvIj7/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 02, 2022, 06:50:19 AM
I think falling out comes down to technique. What I've found with every truck I've had is they all require a different angle of approach when you pop in. I went from super locked in crooks on Indy Standard to barely getting Thunders to pinch.

With Ace or Indy the hanger articulates more so I find that the crook sits less parallel to the ledge. I have to push the grind with my front foot more and have my shoulders more parallel to the ledge. I approach the ledge at slightly more of an angle and swerve right before I pop. Also when I come off the ledge I have to use my back foot more or else my board kind rolls over.

With Thunder and Venture I am more parallel to the ledge and I don't have to push as hard with my front foot. When I pop off the ledge the truck kinda levels the board out. I just lean back and unweight the nose and I'm good.

Honestly I had no issues with Royals and crooks. The hanger articulates more than a Thunder hence the deeper carve but coming from Indy it was the same technique.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 02, 2022, 06:50:45 AM
@Xen did you measure bushing height in these and/or try Ace bushings?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2022, 09:11:40 AM
@Xen did you measure bushing height in these and/or try Ace bushings?

I tried regular classic ace bottoms and low tops, I don’t have regular ace tops around anymore (oddly). They worked great felt, like stock just with more kingpin showing than usual.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 02, 2022, 12:27:14 PM
I still have my Royals sitting around and considered Ace Hard bushings. I've got like 2 threads showing on stock and they're still a tad loose for my liking. I ride my Thunders stock for reference. Figured lots of people like the Ace hards so they could be a good swap.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: CrustyCurbs on August 02, 2022, 01:35:52 PM
Just a bit of feedback on bushings, I brought some ace hards. The boardside ace bushings is exactly the same height as the stock royal but the roadside ace bushing is just a little taller than the royal.

You can easily get the ace bushings on but I found it was too far in the other direction, with ace hard bushings and the kingpin nut flush the trucks were too tight for my liking.

What I'm now running is the ace hard board side and the royal stock bushings road side, kingpin nut flush.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2022, 03:46:52 PM
I still ride mine stock, haven't found anything better; full turn from stock tightness and I'm good to go.

Not fond of blue bushing color tho.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Thebird on August 10, 2022, 09:38:37 PM
Anyone else get the ultralights and think they may be too light?  I've tried them on a few decks now, and just can't seem to dial in my flip tricks.  The pop is great, and the bushings are amazing.  May have to try them on a longer wheelbase next to see how that goes.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
Anyone else get the ultralights and think they may be too light?  I've tried them on a few decks now, and just can't seem to dial in my flip tricks.  The pop is great, and the bushings are amazing.  May have to try them on a longer wheelbase next to see how that goes.

Not me, I feel the ultralights are just right, not too heavy, not too light; I believe they are on par with [standard] Thunder Team editions. I did find them to be a better fit for longer WB, but I think that's just my preference in general.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 11, 2022, 12:57:46 AM
@Xen did you measure bushing height in these and/or try Ace bushings?

Honestly, I think a regular set of AF1 bushings is the move if you want a little more firmness out of these new Royals. Ace bottom bushings are tall just like the stock Royals, so the geometry works, and the extra mm on the Ace top allows you to put a little more tension on the bushings. You get that spongy control and deep turn that Ace have, but more rebound and a firmer ride. I think the hard bushings would be too stiff in these.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on August 11, 2022, 03:26:19 AM
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Anyone else get the ultralights and think they may be too light?  I've tried them on a few decks now, and just can't seem to dial in my flip tricks.  The pop is great, and the bushings are amazing.  May have to try them on a longer wheelbase next to see how that goes.
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Not me, I feel the ultralights are just right, not too heavy, not too light; I believe they are on par with [standard] Thunder Team editions. I did find them to be a better fit for longer WB, but I think that's just my preference in general.

Depends on the deck size and what you're used to. On 139 / 144 I'd ride the standard, but I recently sized up to 8.5 so I'd go 149 UL to get the weight down a bit. Feeling the heft on 5.8 TI on the wider setup.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on August 11, 2022, 02:12:38 PM
I go hollow/ti/whatever the fuck 149 no matter what (thunders too); the royals standards are really light tho. each size royal is within pissing distance of comparable Indy ti sizing. That’s pretty impressive.

I’ve the 144 ultra lights (and IKP) and feel they are the best weight 8.25 truck, right on par with thunder team hollows.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on August 11, 2022, 03:19:10 PM
Anyone try Riptide bushings in the Royals yet? What would be the best shape/size/formula for them? So many fucking options on their site it's overwhelming
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on August 21, 2022, 09:43:18 AM
After the madness hit me again I decided to revisit royals and give them a fair shot.
I’m really liking them this go around. But I have a few questions. I’m coming off thunders with 92a Indy conicals bushings. So I’m trying to adjust for tricks but the royals feel less stable at center. If I put some Indy conical 92a bushings in the royals am I gonna lose the turn royals have? Cause I enjoy the turn and I’ll just chin up with current bushings if the Indy conicals will take that away

 It’s been nice having the loose surfy kinda turn royals have also nose slides slide so much better on the royals it’s dumb. I don’t have to go as fast and slide further than I did when in the thunders. So the slide is for me is better on royals less effort and a better result. Pop is better on Ollie’s. Kickflips are less consistent on royals but the ones I land look or at least feel better cause they feel popped higher.
Felt good grinding skatepark coping but crusty ledges I was sticking. But that could also be because the ledges was kinda dry I think wax evaporated or something I. The heat cause they would grind then just stop.


Also I’m not good at crooks. But I tried a few and after adjusting the angle like @LebowskisRug  mentioned I seemed to be able to get them about the same as when I was on thunders which aren’t good but as good as I can get them. So I can’t fault the truck cause they was about the same after adjust the angle 
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: HaveFunSkateboarding on August 21, 2022, 09:49:27 AM
A couple weeks ago I was at the Lakai demo in Pittsburgh. I could see that Griffin and Stevie Perez were skating Royals easily, but I was shocked to see Vincent blatantly riding Indy’s. He even mentioned how good the new Royals were on the Nine Club a while back (before the officially released). He’s still listed as skating for Royal and everyone knows pros don’t always skate the trucks they’re sponsored by but for Vincent it surprised me.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on August 21, 2022, 10:37:50 AM
After the madness hit me again I decided to revisit royals and give them a fair shot.
I’m really liking them this go around. But I have a few questions. I’m coming off thunders with 92a Indy conicals bushings. So I’m trying to adjust for tricks but the royals feel less stable at center. If I put some Indy conical 92a bushings in the royals am I gonna lose the turn royals have? Cause I enjoy the turn and I’ll just chin up with current bushings if the Indy conicals will take that away

 It’s been nice having the loose surfy kinda turn royals have also nose slides slide so much better on the royals it’s dumb. I don’t have to go as fast and slide further than I did when in the thunders. So the slide is for me is better on royals less effort and a better result. Pop is better on Ollie’s. Kickflips are less consistent on royals but the ones I land look or at least feel better cause they feel popped higher.
Felt good grinding skatepark coping but crusty ledges I was sticking. But that could also be because the ledges was kinda dry I think wax evaporated or something I. The heat cause they would grind then just stop.


Also I’m not good at crooks. But I tried a few and after adjusting the angle like @LebowskisRug  mentioned I seemed to be able to get them about the same as when I was on thunders which aren’t good but as good as I can get them. So I can’t fault the truck cause they was about the same after adjust the angle 

If memory serves we don't know the duro of the royal bushings...just that they are hand poured and GG has white ones...so who knows.

Conical or barrel change how trucks feel, regardless of brand. That surfy creamy feeling you get with Indy, ACE, ML and Royal changes when you go conical; same if you change out thunder or tensors form conica to barrel. It comes down to personal preference.

Royals out of the gate are not stable, you have to tighten them, break them in and/or swap to a harder barrel. I tried bones in them and it was horrible. ACE classic bushings (low top tho) and they felt the same. Tried the royal bushings in indys and they felt really good.

Royals, after skating back on indys for a while are a bit stickier until you break them in (like any truck).

Can't hurt to try the 92a conicals. I'm probably wrong, and I doubt trucks companies really think that way, but you get a barrel or conical bushing stock for a reason.


Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Beeker on August 22, 2022, 03:59:54 PM
A couple weeks ago I was at the Lakai demo in Pittsburgh. I could see that Griffin and Stevie Perez were skating Royals easily, but I was shocked to see Vincent blatantly riding Indy’s. He even mentioned how good the new Royals were on the Nine Club a while back (before the officially released). He’s still listed as skating for Royal and everyone knows pros don’t always skate the trucks they’re sponsored by but for Vincent it surprised me.

It's a demo on the other side of the country from where he lives, he probably lost his setup or something. As is the case with 90% of "pro's don't ride the trucks they're sponsored by."
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 22, 2022, 04:06:50 PM
VA rides them in literally all of his footage, definitely probably asked someone what the closest thing was or used a friend/teammate's word.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Thebird on August 23, 2022, 08:45:31 PM
So I had the 144 Ultralights on a Hopps 8.25/14.25 wb for a while and could never really get used to it.  Coming from Thunders, I fugured maybe a 14.38 wb would be better.  Recently set up an April 8.25/14 wb.  I decided to give the Royals a go again, and they felt great on this deck.  Not sure why with the shorter wheelbase, but they work.  All flip tricks felt good right away.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on August 24, 2022, 05:29:52 AM
So I had the 144 Ultralights on a Hopps 8.25/14.25 wb for a while and could never really get used to it.  Coming from Thunders, I fugured maybe a 14.38 wb would be better.  Recently set up an April 8.25/14 wb.  I decided to give the Royals a go again, and they felt great on this deck.  Not sure why with the shorter wheelbase, but they work.  All flip tricks felt good right away.

Is one steep and one mellow?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Thebird on August 24, 2022, 06:09:39 AM
The April deck is definitely really mellow.  Almost too mellow for me.  I've been riding 14.25 or 14.38 for a long time.  What got me to try this was although the wb was only 14, the tail was like 6.8, so still almost a 32 inch deck.  The Royals seem to work
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on August 24, 2022, 11:54:21 AM
The April deck is definitely really mellow.  Almost too mellow for me.  I've been riding 14.25 or 14.38 for a long time.  What got me to try this was although the wb was only 14, the tail was like 6.8, so still almost a 32 inch deck.  The Royals seem to work

The longer tails really help with shorter wheebases (Primitive boards come to mind).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on August 24, 2022, 12:29:19 PM
Borrowing these trucks to a friend and rode his board a bit today, I'm still baffled by the manual point. Didn't tell him about it and he also struggled with manuals.

Did anybody feel the same and got used to it in the end? I love learning new manual tricks since I've switched to ace, so that was a pretty big deal for me. On aces the manual works on every deck for me, no matter wb, kick length, steepness.

Still like everything else about the royals, amazing trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on September 11, 2022, 12:49:11 PM
https://shop.ccs.com/products/royal-inverted-skateboard-trucks-raw-159mm?variant=40267131027639&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjvaYBhDlARIsAO8PkE0w_hULd-qAWCARE_-7Nx4I3BAM-BERswg_EJL0yjIOVSj4MNOlYYQaAkkpEALw_wcB

Can anybody tell me if these are the new royals? They look the same on the site but aren’t listed as “The Royals”
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 11, 2022, 05:42:25 PM
Yes they are the new ones.

@Xen did you mean that the Ace bushings felt same as stock or bad like Bones? I have a set and I want to firm these things up a tad and would like to avoid using Indy blues.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: dublak2 on September 16, 2022, 09:33:45 AM
I bought the new royals, but I did not like the bushings it came with. I do not know the durometer but I assume it was very soft. I tightened the kingpin so much and it still felt loose (I'm 230 lbs.) I was looking for a tight feel.

I traditionally always ride everything stock until I bought some Bones hard bushings to rectify the loose feel and left both metal washers on, skipped the Bones black washer. Night and day difference. Feels super stable and centered in the crouch.

They grinded really long for the first ride and I like the turn better than Thunder. I think these new royals got me, just wish the stock bushings weren't so squishy.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 16, 2022, 09:48:16 AM
I bought the new royals, but I did not like the bushings it came with. I do not know the durometer but I assume it was very soft. I tightened the kingpin so much and it still felt loose (I'm 230 lbs.) I was looking for a tight feel.

I traditionally always ride everything stock until I bought some Bones hard bushings to rectify the loose feel and left both metal washers on, skipped the Bones black washer. Night and day difference. Feels super stable and centered in the crouch.

They grinded really long for the first ride and I like the turn better than Thunder. I think these new royals got me, just wish the stock bushings weren't so squishy.

At 230lbs, you def need hard bushings in there. I'm 185/190 and they need some cranking down try some Krux 92a; note that the royal bottom is taller than other brand (stock indy/deluxe bait and tackle) but not by much. Krux are much closer in height, as are Indy aftermarket’s.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: dublak2 on September 17, 2022, 05:00:48 AM
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At 230lbs, you def need hard bushings in there. I'm 185/190 and they need some cranking down try some Krux 92a; note that the royal bottom is taller than other brand (stock indy/deluxe bait and tackle) but not by much. Krux are much closer in height, as are Indy aftermarket’s.

I hear you but I have setups w/ stock Indy's, stock Slant brand (Globe), stock Thunders, and stock CCS truck. Even the cheapo trucks did not squish like the Royal bushings. I purpose some of those boards for cruising or bowl skating so they are loser, but I was getting the same feeling from the Royals with a whole hell of a lot more kingpin thread showing.

Oh well, problem solved and I'm really digging them so far after the bushing swap. Not as jittery as Thunders. I could not speak to how they "pinch" but my crooked/smith/feeble game is pretty whack so I'm not qualified.

I'm just saying they turn smooth, keep stable, and grind. Would buy again. Seacrest out.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: chinotto on November 03, 2022, 04:21:00 PM
Thought id share my thoughts on ultralights. I rode them for about 6 month and just switched to aces and i think a lot of things said in this thread were my experience as well. They’re a bit trickier to manual than aces and my manuals have improved since i switched and they’re definitely harder to pinch crookeds on and lock in compared to aces, just my experience. Im having way more fun on aces, i put a hollow hanger on the lows. The aces also being lower suprisingly wheelbite less than royals.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on November 04, 2022, 03:22:15 AM
I have been skating the IKP version for about 9 months now and have no problem with pinching.
Doing a lot of crooked grinds. I flirted with the idea of getting some team thunders but the fact that their bushings
are really bad turns me off. I don't want to fiddle around with different bushings and stuff. I read a lot of suggestions in the Thunder thread  ;D. The royal bushings are still perfect after 9 months, with no cracks whatsoever.

I stepped on some aces a while back and did some cruising. They felt really nice. But I will probably just get a new set of royals raws this time. Riding the same setup for while now and don't want to get used to something different.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 04, 2022, 05:11:21 AM
I have been skating the IKP version for about 9 months now and have no problem with pinching.
Doing a lot of crooked grinds. I flirted with the idea of getting some team thunders but the fact that their bushings
are really bad turns me off
. I don't want to fiddle around with different bushings and stuff. I read a lot of suggestions in the Thunder thread  ;D. The royal bushings are still perfect after 9 months, with no cracks whatsoever.

I stepped on some aces a while back and did some cruising. They felt really nice. But I will probably just get a new set of royals raws this time. Riding the same setup for while now and don't want to get used to something different.

I went through two sets on my thunders in no time. I cracked a bottom bushing on my second set ALL THE WAY THROUGH in one session. I like to think this was just a bad set or something, but still, thats insane.

Pics of your beat royals?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on November 05, 2022, 10:10:55 AM
Pics of your beat royals?

(https://i.imgur.com/pZhvrSI.jpg)

Probably a couple of months more life in them :)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 05, 2022, 10:47:56 AM
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I have been skating the IKP version for about 9 months now and have no problem with pinching.
Doing a lot of crooked grinds. I flirted with the idea of getting some team thunders but the fact that their bushings
are really bad turns me off
. I don't want to fiddle around with different bushings and stuff. I read a lot of suggestions in the Thunder thread  ;D. The royal bushings are still perfect after 9 months, with no cracks whatsoever.

I stepped on some aces a while back and did some cruising. They felt really nice. But I will probably just get a new set of royals raws this time. Riding the same setup for while now and don't want to get used to something different.
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I went through two sets on my thunders in no time. I cracked a bottom bushing on my second set ALL THE WAY THROUGH in one session. I like to think this was just a bad set or something, but still, thats insane.

Pics of your beat royals?

I know a lot of people that skate Thunders and no one switches from stock. Most feel they're great as long as you don't live in freezing temps.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: PisstickleTypeExperience on November 06, 2022, 07:59:50 AM
Is there any consensus on what are the best bushings to replace stock with? I need something hard, like 96+
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2022, 01:50:01 PM
ACE hards?

I'm running the ACE Classic (dual duro) they work just as well, if not better than stock. Didn't need to crank them down to 'comfy' - with the stocks I had threads showing, with these I don't.

If you want 96+ yeah, pick up the ACE hards.

One kid at Tampa Am was going hard with these on.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on November 15, 2022, 07:58:22 AM
One kid at Tampa Am was going hard with these on.

Yeah, saw that. A lot of the Japanese kids ride royals, right?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jimgrude on November 15, 2022, 04:11:26 PM
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One kid at Tampa Am was going hard with these on.
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Yeah, saw that. A lot of the Japanese kids ride royals, right?

Literally never seen Royals in Japan. All Thunder, Indy, Venture and Ace.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 15, 2022, 04:43:20 PM
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One kid at Tampa Am was going hard with these on.
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Yeah, saw that. A lot of the Japanese kids ride royals, right?
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Literally never seen Royals in Japan. All Thunder, Indy, Venture and Ace.

FWIW the new Ultra Lights we’re available in JP months ahead of the US.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jimgrude on November 15, 2022, 07:55:18 PM
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One kid at Tampa Am was going hard with these on.
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Yeah, saw that. A lot of the Japanese kids ride royals, right?
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Literally never seen Royals in Japan. All Thunder, Indy, Venture and Ace.
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FWIW the new Ultra Lights we’re available in JP months ahead of the US.

I know, I've seen it in stores, but never on anyone's board. Just like Japan has its own Theeve team, yet it seems I'm the only one dorking around with them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 15, 2022, 08:03:55 PM
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One kid at Tampa Am was going hard with these on.
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Yeah, saw that. A lot of the Japanese kids ride royals, right?
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Literally never seen Royals in Japan. All Thunder, Indy, Venture and Ace.
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FWIW the new Ultra Lights we’re available in JP months ahead of the US.
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I know, I've seen it in stores, but never on anyone's board. Just like Japan has its own Theeve team, yet it seems I'm the only one dorking around with them.

Speaking of Theeve, they now have a ton of trucks in stock on the us website; tempted to nab some TiKings.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: backinaction on November 16, 2022, 08:45:35 AM
Speaking of Theeve, they now have a ton of trucks in stock on the us website; tempted to nab some TiKings.

I don't understand Theeve pricing.  The upgrade from a steel axle to a titanium one is $14.  Then for a hollow kingpin they want $24 more after that.   Huh?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 16, 2022, 08:58:15 AM
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Speaking of Theeve, they now have a ton of trucks in stock on the us website; tempted to nab some TiKings.
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I don't understand Theeve pricing.  The upgrade from a steel axle to a titanium one is $14.  Then for a hollow kingpin they want $24 more after that.   Huh?

Yeah, crazy expensive, which isn't helping their already diminished popularity. But if you know, you know.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jimgrude on November 16, 2022, 07:10:25 PM
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Speaking of Theeve, they now have a ton of trucks in stock on the us website; tempted to nab some TiKings.
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I don't understand Theeve pricing.  The upgrade from a steel axle to a titanium one is $14.  Then for a hollow kingpin they want $24 more after that.   Huh?

Yeah, TiKing isn't worth it now that they no longer come with an actual titanium kingpin. Tiax is kinda worth it if you have trouble with the axle ends getting bashed up.
For most people, however, I'd recomment the new CSX hollow, or regular CSX if you don't care about weight.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on November 17, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
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Speaking of Theeve, they now have a ton of trucks in stock on the us website; tempted to nab some TiKings.
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That Ti kingpin was light AF...serious weight reduction.

I don't understand Theeve pricing.  The upgrade from a steel axle to a titanium one is $14.  Then for a hollow kingpin they want $24 more after that.   Huh?
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Yeah, TiKing isn't worth it now that they no longer come with an actual titanium kingpin. .
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Shrimp Po-boy on December 02, 2022, 09:09:46 AM
I had planned on switching to ventures from Indy eventually and this thread convinced me to give royals a try. Thanks guys. Ordered some 149 ultra lights from tactics with their 20% off sale. I’m going to try my best not to set them up immediately and let these Indy’s have an honorable death.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 02, 2022, 05:40:14 PM
I had planned on switching to ventures from Indy eventually and this thread convinced me to give royals a try. Thanks guys. Ordered some 149 ultra lights from tactics with their 20% off sale. I’m going to try my best not to set them up immediately and let these Indy’s have an honorable death.

If anyone wants to try them they are going on SWH for $30 -ish a pair on SWH daily dose, standard raw model
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on December 10, 2022, 04:54:05 PM
I grabbed a set of Pig bushings for my Ventures but they are too tall. 

They fit perfectly in the new Royals.  They are also super nice. I would say as good as the stock bushings.  Skated in colder temps, upper 30s, and they stayed consistent just like the stock bushings as well.

If you need something a little stiffer they are a great alternative.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 10, 2022, 05:01:00 PM
I grabbed a set of Pig bushings for my Ventures but they are too tall. 

They fit perfectly in the new Royals.  They are also super nice. I would say as good as the stock bushings.  Skated in colder temps, upper 30s, and they stayed consistent just like the stock bushings as well.

If you need something a little stiffer they are a great alternative.

What kind of top washer did you use? Doesn't seem like any stock washers fit them. Bones?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on December 10, 2022, 05:46:21 PM
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I grabbed a set of Pig bushings for my Ventures but they are too tall. 

They fit perfectly in the new Royals.  They are also super nice. I would say as good as the stock bushings.  Skated in colder temps, upper 30s, and they stayed consistent just like the stock bushings as well.

If you need something a little stiffer they are a great alternative.
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What kind of top washer did you use? Doesn't seem like any stock washers fit them. Bones?

Stock Royal washer worked perfectly
(https://i.ibb.co/d6zstH9/PXL-20221211-014150080.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d6zstH9)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 11, 2022, 02:54:42 AM
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I grabbed a set of Pig bushings for my Ventures but they are too tall. 

They fit perfectly in the new Royals.  They are also super nice. I would say as good as the stock bushings.  Skated in colder temps, upper 30s, and they stayed consistent just like the stock bushings as well.

If you need something a little stiffer they are a great alternative.
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What kind of top washer did you use? Doesn't seem like any stock washers fit them. Bones?
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Stock Royal washer worked perfectly
(https://i.ibb.co/d6zstH9/PXL-20221211-014150080.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d6zstH9)

Ok that's weird and good to know. The wider top didn't work at all with thunder, venture or ace washers, had to use some flat washers that are wider than bones.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Shrimp Po-boy on December 22, 2022, 07:25:26 PM
Two seshes in on the 149 hollows.

I think they grind better than my indy trucks did? They seem to be pushing through crusty stuff that usually stopped my Indys dead in their tracks. They turn great as well. I’m Liking them so far.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Sila on December 23, 2022, 12:13:17 AM
What decks/kick steepness has everyone been riding these with? My pop feels a bit heavy on an enjoi r7 14.25 wb. I made the change from Thunder hollow lights and along with the squishy bushings they don't feel great at the moment.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on December 23, 2022, 12:48:47 AM
What decks/kick steepness has everyone been riding these with? My pop feels a bit heavy on an enjoi r7 14.25 wb. I made the change from Thunder hollow lights and along with the squishy bushings they don't feel great at the moment.

I am riding control boards (rave, studio, poetic collective) with medium to high concave.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 23, 2022, 04:17:23 AM
What decks/kick steepness has everyone been riding these with? My pop feels a bit heavy on an enjoi r7 14.25 wb. I made the change from Thunder hollow lights and along with the squishy bushings they don't feel great at the moment.

They feel way lighter than thunder hollow lights for me. In fact the pop was too light for me, can only skate them on steep/long decks
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on December 23, 2022, 08:18:14 AM
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What decks/kick steepness has everyone been riding these with? My pop feels a bit heavy on an enjoi r7 14.25 wb. I made the change from Thunder hollow lights and along with the squishy bushings they don't feel great at the moment.
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They feel way lighter than thunder hollow lights for me. In fact the pop was too light for me, can only skate them on steep/long decks

For me they felt heavier for sure. Skated hollow lights as well before. Skating the same shape ever since I started skating royals. The studio decks were just a little bit longer (32,2). I now skate poetic collective. They are 31,75.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 23, 2022, 12:11:45 PM
What decks/kick steepness has everyone been riding these with? My pop feels a bit heavy on an enjoi r7 14.25 wb. I made the change from Thunder hollow lights and along with the squishy bushings they don't feel great at the moment.

I switched over to ACE Classic bushings (with stock royals I had lots of thread showing, plus white bushings are sweet), so soft bottom/hard top; I find I can skate these slightly tighter than I would an Indy or Thunder without losing the ability to do what I want with them (much like riding ACEs with harder bushings).

Use them with everything, but find they work really well for me on longer WBs and mellow boards. My fav pairing thus far was the deathwish foy twin.

Ultra light plates and either solid axle 149/hollow 144 hangers.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Filthyphil222 on January 16, 2023, 05:10:51 AM
I bought a pair and they felt good but a bit too surfy for my taste . I put my stock indy's bushings on . Didn't try them yet . I Would like to have somebody's opinion on that
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 16, 2023, 05:40:06 AM
I bought a pair and they felt good but a bit too surfy for my taste . I put my stock indy's bushings on . Didn't try them yet . I Would like to have somebody's opinion on that

Stock indy bushing should be 1mm lower than royal. But if it feels right, that shouldn't matter.
Great trucks, have fun
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on January 16, 2023, 12:23:18 PM
Yeah, go with what feels right. 1mm shouldn't throw any truck off that much (since all bushings compress over time anyway).

If those stock indys don't do it for you, I highly recommend ACE Classic bushings, dual duro so a bit snappier, and they're tall, like the royal stocks so you won't have kingpin threads showing; if you ride tight, try the ACE hards.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on January 20, 2023, 05:56:38 AM
I setup another pair (this time the standard ones) and I somehow regret not getting the IKPs again. So many threads showing really bothers me. Ordered the ace classics bushings and see how this will feel. Will report back.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on January 20, 2023, 01:30:21 PM
I setup another pair (this time the standard ones) and I somehow regret not getting the IKPs again. So many threads showing really bothers me. Ordered the ace classics bushings and see how this will feel. Will report back.

Older pic, IKP/Ultra Light hangers (144 hollow). ACE classics, flat washers.
(https://i.ibb.co/P6f7Bpk/IMG-3707.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P6f7Bpk)

Pretty sure I've got a pic of the ultra plates with the same combo/but 149 solid axle hangers.

EDIT: Not the best pic but you can [kind of] see the nuts flush.


(https://i.ibb.co/Fxcp8gp/IMG-3358.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fxcp8gp)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: 144p on January 20, 2023, 01:58:20 PM
Ok not a newb but never used a flat washer for my trucks, what's the advantage?
Doesn't bend easily or less bushing warping?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on January 20, 2023, 02:36:07 PM
Ok not a newb but never used a flat washer for my trucks, what's the advantage?
Doesn't bend easily or less bushing warping?

More bushing warping :)

These are also sleeved (think bones).

On some trucks (Venture/Mini Logo), a flat washer will prevent binding of the hanger.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on January 20, 2023, 06:22:46 PM
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Ok not a newb but never used a flat washer for my trucks, what's the advantage?
Doesn't bend easily or less bushing warping?
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More bushing warping :)

These are also sleeved (think bones).

On some trucks (Venture/Mini Logo), a flat washer will prevent binding of the hanger.

So does it turn better? Top or bottom flat? I’ve wondered this too
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jimgrude on January 20, 2023, 08:22:27 PM
Ok not a newb but never used a flat washer for my trucks, what's the advantage?
Doesn't bend easily or less bushing warping?

You'll get a bit less resistance and rebound, and it'll uncap your turning radius. If your trucks are already loose enough to your liking, there's no point.
Personally, I like barrel bushings that aren't too soft (90-92a), and an even firmer one on top, so I use flat washers to unlock their full turn. The opposite would be to use softer, conical bushings, but with cupped washers to keep them from mushing out.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on January 20, 2023, 10:03:48 PM
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Ok not a newb but never used a flat washer for my trucks, what's the advantage?
Doesn't bend easily or less bushing warping?
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You'll get a bit less resistance and rebound, and it'll uncap your turning radius. If your trucks are already loose enough to your liking, there's no point.
Personally, I like barrel bushings that aren't too soft (90-92a), and an even firmer one on top, so I use flat washers to unlock their full turn. The opposite would be to use softer, conical bushings, but with cupped washers to keep them from mushing out.

Yep.

I use the dual duro ACEs on almost everything that comes with a stock barrel +flat washers. The sleeved washers bring back the small amount of rebound you lose.

It's like running trucks without washers, but without the slop.

With ACE and Indy there isn't much need, but in Ventures it was the best combo I've run in them, they become really swervy but still stable. I run them in thunders as well with a hard low top, stock bottom. Works great.

In the royals, the turn is firmed up with the use of the ACEs (stocks are very soft) but they're still very stable and responsive.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: backinaction on February 13, 2023, 01:27:50 PM
IKP version for $28/set at SkateWarehouse on the Daily Dose until noon on Feb 14

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on February 13, 2023, 03:18:45 PM
IKP version for $28/set at SkateWarehouse on the Daily Dose until noon on Feb 14

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html


Just saw this on their site....pretty good deal since it has free shipping too and all sizes.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: jsettle on February 13, 2023, 04:11:35 PM
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IKP version for $28/set at SkateWarehouse on the Daily Dose until noon on Feb 14

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html
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My new wheels i bought are 55mm classic f4s...this is the only thing holding me back from these trucks. I see alot of people say the bushings are super soft and its a lowish truck...not sure if i would make it without getting wheelbite every second. I like my trucks fairly loose...that part of these trucks turning good makes me want them. Anyone rode 55mm wheels with these trucks?

Just saw this on their site....pretty good deal since it has free shipping too and all sizes.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2023, 04:17:38 PM
https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/products/w44-d2-royal-the-royal-avlarez-pro-truck

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=36XjKIXaaiI
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Roger__Kook on February 14, 2023, 01:13:53 AM
I like the coloured hardware, I'd definitely scrub off that ugly lettering before setting them up though.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: fur lined sea on February 14, 2023, 03:42:53 AM
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IKP version for $28/set at SkateWarehouse on the Daily Dose until noon on Feb 14

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html
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My new wheels i bought are 55mm classic f4s...this is the only thing holding me back from these trucks. I see alot of people say the bushings are super soft and its a lowish truck...not sure if i would make it without getting wheelbite every second. I like my trucks fairly loose...that part of these trucks turning good makes me want them. Anyone rode 55mm wheels with these trucks?

Just saw this on their site....pretty good deal since it has free shipping too and all sizes.
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I skate 54s on Royals with no problems. You'll be fine. Crazy you started this thread and still haven't tried them.

Anyone still sticking with these trucks? Been on them for over a year now and I'm still happy with how they're going. Over the last year I went from Royal 144 standards, 139 standards and now settling on 144 lights. Still everything I want and need in a truck.

My bushings got a little mushy on hot days, so I bought Pig bushings as a back up. I haven't ended up using them yet so I won't try until next summer now. After skating Royals for a while the stock bushings seem fine, they do allow for a really nice turn so I don't really care that they end up feeling a little softer than most stock bushings. I wouldn't say they're super soft, they do stiffen up to a soft medium over a few sessions.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on February 14, 2023, 05:28:27 AM
I am still rocking my first pair of the inverted ones but already grinding the axle on my front truck.
Got a new pair aligned but raws this time with ace classic bushings as Xen suggested, as I didn't like so many threads showing.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on February 14, 2023, 05:37:39 AM
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IKP version for $28/set at SkateWarehouse on the Daily Dose until noon on Feb 14

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html
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My new wheels i bought are 55mm classic f4s...this is the only thing holding me back from these trucks. I see alot of people say the bushings are super soft and its a lowish truck...not sure if i would make it without getting wheelbite every second. I like my trucks fairly loose...that part of these trucks turning good makes me want them. Anyone rode 55mm wheels with these trucks?

Just saw this on their site....pretty good deal since it has free shipping too and all sizes.
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I skate 54s on Royals with no problems. You'll be fine. Crazy you started this thread and still haven't tried them.

Anyone still sticking with these trucks? Been on them for over a year now and I'm still happy with how they're going. Over the last year I went from Royal 144 standards, 139 standards and now settling on 144 lights. Still everything I want and need in a truck.

My bushings got a little mushy on hot days, so I bought Pig bushings as a back up. I haven't ended up using them yet so I won't try until next summer now. After skating Royals for a while the stock bushings seem fine, they do allow for a really nice turn so I don't really care that they end up feeling a little softer than most stock bushings. I wouldn't say they're super soft, they do stiffen up to a soft medium over a few sessions.

Haven't ridden mine for a couple of months after telling myself to stick to just Ventures for the latter half of 2022. Definitely have a place for them with the 8.38s I have with 14.38 WB, when I finally get round to skating them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 14, 2023, 09:38:13 AM
I still run mine, 144 ultralight hangers with IKP plates (from my 149s) and ACE Classic bushings.

I've been bouncing between them and ML these days...I wanted a bit wider truck but not 149 heft...the MLs grind better too  :-X
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on February 14, 2023, 10:04:47 AM
last year i have been alternating thunders for 14 wb and roayls for 14.125 and 14.25, but now when it is freezing ourside royals feel better on anything. The bushings are definitely the better winter choice, as for the thunders - you know - a fuckin brick when the temp is low.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on March 05, 2023, 10:26:52 PM
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/blog/en/royal-trucks-ultra-lights-review-skate-test/
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Thebird on April 20, 2023, 10:55:51 AM
Got an email from Royal about new "fusion cast" trucks.  It says they are stronger than forged, not sure of any other differences.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Thebird on April 20, 2023, 08:27:57 PM
Lol, my bad.  At first glance it looked like an ad for a new model.  Should have read more carefully.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on May 22, 2023, 06:39:35 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/ZTVzxZL/jeron.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VBtYTKj)
Jeron is skating the royals with bones medium bushings.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on May 22, 2023, 06:58:51 AM
Damn, now I feel like giving them another go, if anyone has a pair of 149 Ultralight they'd like to let go hit me up!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on May 22, 2023, 07:15:06 AM
Honestly they’re good trucks.  I don’t know why I swapped them out. To me they may be the best all around truck. They need just start dropping frequent edits like ace did.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Thebird on May 22, 2023, 11:13:11 AM
Tough to make out, but is he riding dragons?  That smudge almost looks like it.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 22, 2023, 11:15:41 AM
Tough to make out, but is he riding dragons?  That smudge almost looks like it.

looks like it to me.

Rog is getting in his head.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on May 22, 2023, 07:58:50 PM
Honestly they’re good trucks.  I don’t know why I swapped them out. To me they may be the best all around truck. They need just start dropping frequent edits like ace did.

My biggest gripe was the softness of the stock bushings, started out medium and got way too soft after a few weeks, and I don't want to go down the bushing rabbit hole. I felt like the IKP loosened with time or I couldn't tighten them anymore because the kingpin bottomed out, so tightness never felt right.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 23, 2023, 05:30:55 AM
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Honestly they’re good trucks.  I don’t know why I swapped them out. To me they may be the best all around truck. They need just start dropping frequent edits like ace did.
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My biggest gripe was the softness of the stock bushings, started out medium and got way too soft after a few weeks, and I don't want to go down the bushing rabbit hole. I felt like the IKP loosened with time or I couldn't tighten them anymore because the kingpin bottomed out, so tightness never felt right.

I'm never buying an IKP until they can somehow guarantee that this issue has been solved.

And by that time, ill probably be too old to do a properly dipped smith grind anyways haha.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on May 23, 2023, 05:33:39 AM
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Honestly they’re good trucks.  I don’t know why I swapped them out. To me they may be the best all around truck. They need just start dropping frequent edits like ace did.
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My biggest gripe was the softness of the stock bushings, started out medium and got way too soft after a few weeks, and I don't want to go down the bushing rabbit hole. I felt like the IKP loosened with time or I couldn't tighten them anymore because the kingpin bottomed out, so tightness never felt right.

I had standards but now that you mention it I do remember going from flush yo a couple threads and then cranking them. After this convo if I throw them back on im putting Indy blues or something else in.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 23, 2023, 06:07:31 AM
Tough to make out, but is he riding dragons?  That smudge almost looks like it.

Yep whole setup looks great
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 23, 2023, 06:45:26 AM
I had the same issue with the bushings and the weird heights make it a headache to put in something else. It's weird because they felt softer to me stock than even Indy or Ace. The grind is definitely harder but not Venture hard and a minor gripe. The baseplate slide cuz of the crown embossing was a bit annoying at first.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2023, 06:51:00 AM
Def skating dragons
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 23, 2023, 08:51:46 AM
I really like the Royal bushings, but FYI, I think the Pig bushings fit these pretty well. They got that tall bottom/normal top sizing. The finish and molding on them also makes me think they’re made where Ace bushings are mfd.

Stage 4 or 215 bottoms are also good.

Ace tall bottom/low top is a solid fit if you still want real loose. I liked the hard ones in this setup because you can keep them low-tension and swervy or tighten them up with a couple small turns.

You can also fit a tall AF1 bottom and top in there if you want even more tension. You still get plenty of turn this way, but it’s slower and less twitchy/wild than an AF1.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on May 23, 2023, 09:25:28 AM

You can also fit a tall AF1 bottom and top in there if you want even more tension. You still get plenty of turn this way, but it’s slower and less twitchy/wild than an AF1.

 This sounds great. I have some AF1s chilling  with an egged out pivot cavity. So maybe I’ll use those bushings.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2023, 01:09:59 PM
Anyone with Bushing woes should just grab some ACE classics or Hards. Both tops are a bit tall but they work just fine.

Bones work fine but I didn't like the feel they gave, a bit too wobbly on center (like most stock barrel bottom trucks feel if you ride loose and switch to conicals).

Stock bottoms/ACE hars, bones/Indy 96a top (or any harder top) was the right combo for me. The bones top w/the bones washer ate up all the extra threads easy peasy; gives you that ACE dual duro vibe).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 23, 2023, 01:31:23 PM
Logic wise that makes complete sense. Me being an illogical consumer that did not skate as much during the era where lots of stock bushings sucked, I do not want to have to immediately buy an accessory, especially one not even designed for the trucks, to get it to function. Like, I can skate Indy orange bushings out of the box with 2 threads showing and its not going to be a ton different than me skating Blues with a thread showing. I can't recall how much I had cranked my Royals, but it had to be 3 threads showing. At the same time I'll be honest that for me they turn and skate better than Venture cast, which get a lot more shine.

I totally get that this is not sensible since bushings are cheap and tons of people swap em anyways. It's purely on some arbitrary version of skateboarding consumer reports that exists in my head.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2023, 01:57:13 PM
So indy stock work for you, that's cool. But they don't work for everyone or Indy wouldn't make Aftermarkets. Stock thunders don't work for me (94du do). AF1 low bushings (in AF1 lows)  don't work for my, I needed to buy the hards.

No truck requires you to buy an accessory before you ride them. I know two dudes that skate stock royals, no issues.

The stock royal bushings are amazing but not if you ride tight trucks / weigh more than 150lbs, they're very soft. They'd be fine but I can't stomach threads showing, this isn't the fucking 80s; that goes for every truck =D What I found odd is they never firmed up, they break in and just....continue to break in =D


Indy blues worked great in royals but soooo many threads showing.

I tried Venture cast and immediately dipped (after a week, skating 2hrs+ everyday); the royals provide the stability of Ventures but turn better; hell the pics I posted comparing the two trucks clearly shows royals are modeled after Venture.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 23, 2023, 05:36:12 PM
So indy stock work for you, that's cool. But they don't work for everyone or Indy wouldn't make Aftermarkets. Stock thunders don't work for me (94du do). AF1 low bushings (in AF1 lows)  don't work for my, I needed to buy the hards.

No truck requires you to buy an accessory before you ride them. I know two dudes that skate stock royals, no issues.

The stock royal bushings are amazing but not if you ride tight trucks / weigh more than 150lbs, they're very soft. They'd be fine but I can't stomach threads showing, this isn't the fucking 80s; that goes for every truck =D What I found odd is they never firmed up, they break in and just....continue to break in =D


Indy blues worked great in royals but soooo many threads showing.

I tried Venture cast and immediately dipped (after a week, skating 2hrs+ everyday); the royals provide the stability of Ventures but turn better; hell the pics I posted comparing the two trucks clearly shows royals are modeled after Venture.

I don't disagree with any of this. I was pointing out the illogical selection criteria I employ, but when I step back something like the bushings matters a lot less than how the trucks perform and like you they were better for me than Ventures. I think it would be cool if the stock bushings were just firmer and it seems to be common feedback so maybe they will make or include some.

I'm equally illogical about threads showing! My bird brain rationalizes that the kingpin sticking up is just a recipe for eventually getting brutally pitched since it grinds worse than a kingpin nut. I could get Reynolds on it and break out the angle grinder but Thunder and Indy cast work better for me than Royal. Royal actually remind me a lot of a slightly heavier pop feel Indy Forged but they wheelbite less and I never had ghost pop issues I sometimes get with Indy Forged.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on May 24, 2023, 04:09:05 AM
For me the stock bushings are perfect for cold weather, but when it is hot i had to tighten a lot. Recently i bought indy blue conicals (mainly for my thunders) and tried them on the royals. The bushings are harder but the conical shape make them turn like when with stock. I think the blue indy barrell is gonna be good, but the difference in height might be a reason to see some threads showing. Anyway, after all i just grinded the kingpin down with 2 threads. I think this was the best decision for me :) more kingpin clearance and a stable ride :)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 24, 2023, 10:57:41 AM
For me the stock bushings are perfect for cold weather, but when it is hot i had to tighten a lot. Recently i bought indy blue conicals (mainly for my thunders) and tried them on the royals. The bushings are harder but the conical shape make them turn like when with stock. I think the blue indy barrell is gonna be good, but the difference in height might be a reason to see some threads showing. Anyway, after all i just grinded the kingpin down with 2 threads. I think this was the best decision for me :) more kingpin clearance and a stable ride :)

I was going to pull out the gear and grind mine down as well, just lazy...

On a whim I slapped in a bones BOTTOM as a top along with the Stock bottom. Flush baby!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 24, 2023, 11:44:43 AM
Ishod rides 2 tops, Royal riders can ride..... 2 bottoms
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 24, 2023, 12:45:06 PM
Ishod rides 2 bottoms tops, Royal riders can ride..... 2 tops Bottoms.

Fixed

I'll try them today and see how it goes. FWIW, the ACE top is just a hair shorter than the bones bottoms (Asta Style).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 24, 2023, 02:50:04 PM
mother of all fucks I attempt a joke and am too hairbrained to see how horribly I got the wording mixed up. Gotta stop posting while on the john.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on May 24, 2023, 07:30:45 PM
I tried the bones bottom as a top and stock royal bottom, it was fine, just felt like the truck was fighting itself?

Switched back to Ace Hards with flat sleeved washers (and 149 hangers) and it was right as rain (coming off 139s).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on May 26, 2023, 06:34:52 PM
I stuck them back on for a session today. Felt way too squirrelly. Tightened them to the point 3 threads was showing still felt kinda twitchy. Turn felt great but just wasn’t stable. Threw some Indy 92a after markers in. Tightened felt the same. Tighter them more felt the same like they never felt tighter or stable which is weird. I may have gained a little weight or maybe the weather being hotter. But I couldn’t get stable. It’s weird. So back to ventures. I felt more stable on aces which is wild to me. I may try some bones hard bushings another time. But I think I’m a venture guy I guess.

I may check and see if I have a busted pivot cup? They use to not feel this way. But I do remember having tighten them more and more before taking them off
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 03, 2023, 11:11:03 AM
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Set up a set of the 149 ultra lights on my twin tail. Expectations weren’t high but they’re actually pretty nice and the grind is fantastic. Nut is about flush and they feel stable but the turn gets deep pretty quick. Kept the session mellow, was mostly trying to break in the bushings so I was mostly just doing slappies and kickflips in a parking lot.

Again, can’t say enough good things about the grind. Compared to the Ace AF1s on my main set up, it’s like night and day.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2023, 03:37:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FFqb7Te.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g5Pw12T.jpg)

Set up a set of the 149 ultra lights on my twin tail. Expectations weren’t high but they’re actually pretty nice and the grind is fantastic. Nut is about flush and they feel stable but the turn gets deep pretty quick. Kept the session mellow, was mostly trying to break in the bushings so I was mostly just doing slappies and kickflips in a parking lot.

Again, can’t say enough good things about the grind. Compared to the Ace AF1s on my main set up, it’s like night and day.

The grind only gets better...I just switched from Royals to AF1 (lows) and didn't really feel much of a difference in grind tbh...I did feel the weight and the narrower hanger (not axle) on the AF1s, with wide wheels they get cramped fast...anytime I switch trucks I keep ending up back on the royals tho.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 03, 2023, 07:10:15 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/FFqb7Te.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g5Pw12T.jpg)

Set up a set of the 149 ultra lights on my twin tail. Expectations weren’t high but they’re actually pretty nice and the grind is fantastic. Nut is about flush and they feel stable but the turn gets deep pretty quick. Kept the session mellow, was mostly trying to break in the bushings so I was mostly just doing slappies and kickflips in a parking lot.

Again, can’t say enough good things about the grind. Compared to the Ace AF1s on my main set up, it’s like night and day.
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The grind only gets better...I just switched from Royals to AF1 (lows) and didn't really feel much of a difference in grind tbh...I did feel the weight and the narrower hanger (not axle) on the AF1s, with wide wheels they get cramped fast...anytime I switch trucks I keep ending up back on the royals tho.

I think maybe I have some of the earlier AF1s with the bad grind? (If that conspiracy theory is true) I swear they lock up on waxed red curbs, they’re miserable. I just keep trying and hoping they’ll break in but at a certain point I’m going to give up on them
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 03, 2023, 09:20:19 PM
That's gotta be a bogus set because my AF1 and all the weekend curb warriors I know really liked the grind. I got my first pair fairly soon after the came out and had the exploding pivot cup issue but never grind issues.

Looking at your picture the nut looks a few threads past flush, which is where I had mine. Despite being really turny they never felt out of control to me like Aces can if they're too loose. For me the pop feel felt way too light with the deck I was skating, but I could see them working on a deck with shorter kicks like a DLX twin tail
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 04, 2023, 01:55:03 PM
That's gotta be a bogus set because my AF1 and all the weekend curb warriors I know really liked the grind. I got my first pair fairly soon after the came out and had the exploding pivot cup issue but never grind issues.

Looking at your picture the nut looks a few threads past flush, which is where I had mine. Despite being really turny they never felt out of control to me like Aces can if they're too loose. For me the pop feel felt way too light with the deck I was skating, but I could see them working on a deck with shorter kicks like a DLX twin tail

I think it’s maybe just a thread showing, I’m just running em how I got em. Especially with new bushings I never loosen/tighten the nut. They feel pretty good though
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 04, 2023, 07:07:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FFqb7Te.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g5Pw12T.jpg)

Set up a set of the 149 ultra lights on my twin tail. Expectations weren’t high but they’re actually pretty nice and the grind is fantastic. Nut is about flush and they feel stable but the turn gets deep pretty quick. Kept the session mellow, was mostly trying to break in the bushings so I was mostly just doing slappies and kickflips in a parking lot.

Again, can’t say enough good things about the grind. Compared to the Ace AF1s on my main set up, it’s like night and day.

That’s crazy because I couldn’t stand the grind on my Royals - I kept getting thrown off a buttery curb. Moved to the AF-1s I’m still riding now and there was an immediate improvement.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 04, 2023, 08:09:33 PM
The grind was on par with Venture with worse baseplate slide at first until the crown indentation wore away. So, it's fine enough as tons of people have no issues with ventures
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 04, 2023, 08:32:54 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/FFqb7Te.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g5Pw12T.jpg)

Set up a set of the 149 ultra lights on my twin tail. Expectations weren’t high but they’re actually pretty nice and the grind is fantastic. Nut is about flush and they feel stable but the turn gets deep pretty quick. Kept the session mellow, was mostly trying to break in the bushings so I was mostly just doing slappies and kickflips in a parking lot.

Again, can’t say enough good things about the grind. Compared to the Ace AF1s on my main set up, it’s like night and day.
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That’s crazy because I couldn’t stand the grind on my Royals - I kept getting thrown off a buttery curb. Moved to the AF-1s I’m still riding now and there was an immediate improvement.

Super weird. I’m wondering if these are similar to the ace classic grind, what people describe as “soft” or “buttery” or “slow”. I haven’t ridden classics but this is what I imagine they’re describing. For me, it’s sort of a slower smooth grind that I have a lot of control over, whereas with the AF1s the trucks feel super hard and stop if there’s a crack or chunk on anything.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 05, 2023, 07:13:24 AM
What you're describing with being hard is exactly how Venture and Royal grind. At my local curb spot a few dudes have switched to Venture and I've ridden Venture there before and we all notice on the chunky curb. If you aren't hauling ass and it's not caked in wax they grind for a few feet then completely stop on a chunk. Anything else and the rate of slow down is much lower.

I just compensate by popping out earlier and focusing on the benefits I get otherwise in the setup.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 05, 2023, 08:26:56 AM
The grind was on par with Venture with worse baseplate slide at first until the crown indentation wore away. So, it's fine enough as tons of people have no issues with ventures

Yes, this was exactly my experience skating Ventures, as well.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murge on June 05, 2023, 02:33:02 PM
Wouldn’t ventures grind the same as thunders?  Legit asking. I can feel my madness brewing
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on June 05, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Wouldn’t ventures grind the same as thunders?  Legit asking. I can feel my madness brewing

Thunders grind softer and faster especially on chunky ledges, even moreso for Ace
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Filthyphil222 on June 22, 2023, 02:19:01 PM
Been skating these for about a month with my stock indy bushings . I had to cut the extra threads . They feel nice , stable and a bit lower .. the grind is sweet too
(https://i.ibb.co/xjhgrst/7578-CB08-FFC3-476-D-8727-2227682795-DC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xjhgrst)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Doosh215 on June 22, 2023, 04:22:21 PM
Been skating these for about a month with my stock indy bushings . I had to cut the extra threads . They feel nice , stable and a bit lower .. the grind is sweet too
(https://i.ibb.co/xjhgrst/7578-CB08-FFC3-476-D-8727-2227682795-DC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xjhgrst)

What did you use to cut the threads?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on June 23, 2023, 01:43:21 AM
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Been skating these for about a month with my stock indy bushings . I had to cut the extra threads . They feel nice , stable and a bit lower .. the grind is sweet too
(https://i.ibb.co/xjhgrst/7578-CB08-FFC3-476-D-8727-2227682795-DC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xjhgrst)
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What did you use to cut the threads?
I don't know the exact english name for this machine but it looks something like this(https://i.ibb.co/q7Z7pTg/images.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7Z7pTg)

 I removed the hangers and placed the nut with 2 threads showing then grinded the kingpins on the stone till the nut
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Doosh215 on June 23, 2023, 12:14:06 PM
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Been skating these for about a month with my stock indy bushings . I had to cut the extra threads . They feel nice , stable and a bit lower .. the grind is sweet too
(https://i.ibb.co/xjhgrst/7578-CB08-FFC3-476-D-8727-2227682795-DC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xjhgrst)
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What did you use to cut the threads?
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I don't know the exact english name for this machine but it looks something like this(https://i.ibb.co/q7Z7pTg/images.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7Z7pTg)

 I removed the hangers and placed the nut with 2 threads showing then grinded the kingpins on the stone till the nut

Thanks. I wonder what the odds are of someone I know in NYC having one of these lol.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 23, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
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Been skating these for about a month with my stock indy bushings . I had to cut the extra threads . They feel nice , stable and a bit lower .. the grind is sweet too
(https://i.ibb.co/xjhgrst/7578-CB08-FFC3-476-D-8727-2227682795-DC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xjhgrst)
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What did you use to cut the threads?
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I don't know the exact english name for this machine but it looks something like this(https://i.ibb.co/q7Z7pTg/images.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7Z7pTg)

 I removed the hangers and placed the nut with 2 threads showing then grinded the kingpins on the stone till the nut
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Thanks. I wonder what the odds are of someone I know in NYC having one of these lol.

Any kind of shop (machine, automotive, bicycle, whatever) or any "maker" space will absolutely have one.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on June 24, 2023, 12:17:33 AM
You could also use an angle grinder. I have seen Reynolds on an IG story to cut his kingpin this way.
(https://i.ibb.co/cF7Zf4v/images.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cF7Zf4v)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 01, 2023, 11:44:31 AM
159 Ultras with Bones hards (top and bottom bones washer; no threads showing(!)) Bones x99s/swiss 6
(https://i.ibb.co/5Ww07GM/IMG-4665.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5Ww07GM)
They feel very good setup; they stull turn enough thanks to them not being cranked down, they're just about 'snug' with just a hint of play); Skating Ventures spoiled me for tight trucks somehow...

Slapped these on a slick for a specific spot (trucks/wheel wide enough to sit on a double-sided). They're surprisingly light.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on July 01, 2023, 12:04:34 PM
Got a set of the Griffin Gass models on the way. Exited to try them out.
I’ve been on ventures for the last little bit but against my better judgment I loosens them from factory settings now I can’t get them feeling right so I’m over it.
On to new beginnings.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 01, 2023, 06:29:33 PM
I had the opposite experience. Liked em, but went to Ventures next and couldn't see myself wanting them again until they make or come with firmer bushings since I just wanna use something designed for the trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on July 01, 2023, 07:47:04 PM
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Got a set of the Griffin Gass models on the way. Exited to try them out.
I’ve been on ventures for the last little bit but against my better judgment I loosens them from factory settings now I can’t get them feeling right so I’m over it.
On to new beginnings.
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I went from Venture to Royal. They're great, haven't gone back.

The balance of turn & stability is exceptional. Like all trucks, you'll need a day or two for the bushings. They feel super soft at first where the trucks may feel too loose, but then it's all up hill from there.
Good to know! Thank you! I do enjoy loose trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 02, 2023, 10:59:53 AM
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Got a set of the Griffin Gass models on the way. Exited to try them out.
I’ve been on ventures for the last little bit but against my better judgment I loosens them from factory settings now I can’t get them feeling right so I’m over it.
On to new beginnings.
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I went from Venture to Royal. They're great, haven't gone back.

The balance of turn & stability is exceptional. Like all trucks, you'll need a day or two for the bushings. They feel super soft at first where the trucks may feel too loose, but then it's all up hill from there.
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Good to know! Thank you! I do enjoy loose trucks.

They don't get enough love. It's a Venture/Thunder (stable) style truck that turns (quick) without wheelbite so you get the best of both. Every time I switch I always end up going back.

Queue the same old 'they didn't work for me' folks...

Thunder give me wheelbite (harder duro bushings and small wheels fix that but I lose the turn I want out of them)
Venture, I want a bit more turn rather than the lean (but that's turn feel preference)
Indy, I want a faster turn (and lighter truck)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Oldsmobile on July 03, 2023, 05:53:09 AM
On my Royals i put bones washer under the stock washer and bushing. I also do an aluminium 1/16 riser, that's kind of 1.6mm rise. So the trucks are now 53.6 high and for me everything is now spot on, the turn, pop and wheel bite solver.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 05, 2023, 06:40:23 PM
159 Ultras with Bones hards (top and bottom bones washer; no threads showing(!)) Bones x99s/swiss 6
(https://i.ibb.co/5Ww07GM/IMG-4665.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5Ww07GM)
They feel very good setup; they stull turn enough thanks to them not being cranked down, they're just about 'snug' with just a hint of play); Skating Ventures spoiled me for tight trucks somehow...

Slapped these on a slick for a specific spot (trucks/wheel wide enough to sit on a double-sided). They're surprisingly light.

I swapped out the bones hard bottom for an ACE hard bottom (barrel); with the conical bottom they got a bit tippy/slightly less stable/smooth (and the ACE bottoms are slightly taller).


Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vxbrandon on July 19, 2023, 04:09:35 AM
Does anybody feel a difference between IKP Royals and Standards?
I like my trucks tight and snappy. I couldn't keep my trucks tight enough with Mindys.
Just wanted to how y'all compare them, I found both for a cool 40.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 19, 2023, 06:17:24 AM
Does anybody feel a difference between IKP Royals and Standards?
I like my trucks tight and snappy. I couldn't keep my trucks tight enough with Mindys.
Just wanted to how y'all compare them, I found both for a cool 40.
Only difference I found is that the standard kingpin makes you stick less than the ikp if you dip your smiths really low. I'm 100% over ikps
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vxbrandon on July 19, 2023, 08:40:15 AM
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Does anybody feel a difference between IKP Royals and Standards?
I like my trucks tight and snappy. I couldn't keep my trucks tight enough with Mindys.
Just wanted to how y'all compare them, I found both for a cool 40.
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Only difference I found is that the standard kingpin makes you stick less than the ikp if you dip your smiths really low. I'm 100% over ikps
Hmm thanks, ironically that's the biggest complain I hear about ikps in general.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: PalaceButtPlug on July 19, 2023, 09:37:55 AM
I was given a pair of GG signature royals in February and have been reluctant to change from my Indy's. I haven't ridden any other brand for like 10+ years strictly out of habit and to support for my homies that ride for Indy.

About 6 months ago,  I switched my back truck with my front truck, just to create new grooves and avoid setting up these Royals. (This worked surprisingly well, I got another 3-4 months out of this pair, made them feel somewhat new.)

After reading this thread, I'm now excited to set up my Royals and see how they compare after all these positive reviews!



Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: ulpsb on July 19, 2023, 12:27:55 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/GHqKkJT/20230705-210023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHqKkJT)

I'm not bullshitting when I say these trucks cured my bullshit madness. Venture lows and hi's, thunder lights, indy mid forged, stage4s..all of these trucks listed were good, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Like what wheelbase and type of kicks go with what blah blah....

 These royal trucks have gone good with pretty much everything. I feel like it's a great standard mid truck. Height medium, turn good, stability great, bushings and pivot cups pretty good, never squeaked. All the other trucks I've had to put oil or wax in the pivots and or use other bushings... curbs, park, street. Does all good... no baseplate fuckery like thunders but pinch like em.
 It's like a thunderized indy that venture raised.

My only gripe. Kingpin clearance but that's an issue that can get passed it with time and skating... I'm staying with these.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2023, 06:50:16 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/GHqKkJT/20230705-210023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHqKkJT)

I'm not bullshitting when I say these trucks cured my bullshit madness. Venture lows and hi's, thunder lights, indy mid forged, stage4s..all of these trucks listed were good, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Like what wheelbase and type of kicks go with what blah blah....

 These royal trucks have gone good with pretty much everything. I feel like it's a great standard mid truck. Height medium, turn good, stability great, bushings and pivot cups pretty good, never squeaked. All the other trucks I've had to put oil or wax in the pivots and or use other bushings... curbs, park, street. Does all good... no baseplate fuckery like thunders but pinch like em.
 It's like a thunderized indy that venture raised.

My only gripe. Kingpin clearance but that's an issue that can get passed it with time and skating... I'm staying with these.

 i really like venture lo’s, but don’t like being married to a 50 mm wheel. same problem (can use a slightly larger wheel, but still), with thunder 147s.

the best skating i’ve done, on a single day, happened long long ago on the previous version of royals. these are taller, i’m curious, but also, i’ve got more parts than i have time.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 20, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
They're great trucks, you'd probably like them. For me personally the grind was subpar, like Venture, but I would prefer the Venture stability and pop. I prefer Thunder and Indy Ti, marginally, to Venture, so that's my personal pecking order, but they're all options I'd be stoked to ride. I'd gladly try Royals again in the future, but I own too many other trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vicious cycle on July 22, 2023, 02:40:39 AM
I thought  this could be interesting for some.
On the left, the Royals 144 Ultra Lights, on the right, Venture V-Hollows 5.6.
I snapped the first board on the nose but it's still good as a backup. So i put the Royals on and was kinda surprised how much the wheelbase is shorter..
Deck Wb is 14".
(https://abload.de/img/img_20230722_1128131wf5k.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/img_20230722_1128230kcru.jpg)
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Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: El Freegano on July 22, 2023, 03:15:35 AM
I have been stuck on thunders (147 on g045 14 wb) for some time but this week i tried the board a friend (royal 144 on polar 8.25 14.25 wb) and i hated that my kick flip went easier on his board than mine, even considering his deck is quite big for my liking. Royal has the super easy pop for me and i ride thunders now, coz i have been learning some new grinds and  they pinch and grind easier, but for the flip game... royals are if not better, than at least the same league with thunders and on top of that, they have way less wheelbite. I might go back to royals soon.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: pointandclick on July 29, 2023, 02:05:10 PM
got a set of ultralights, they feel way taller than 148 thunders but i think its because i put fresh 54's on and have worn down ones on the thunder kit.
good turning and stability, trying to leave stock and let the bushing break in. grind is hard but fast kind of?
anyone find the bushings softened up or firmed up?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 29, 2023, 05:46:08 PM
got a set of ultralights, they feel way taller than 148 thunders but i think its because i put fresh 54's on and have worn down ones on the thunder kit.
good turning and stability, trying to leave stock and let the bushing break in. grind is hard but fast kind of?
anyone find the bushings softened up or firmed up?

The bushings don't firm up in my experience (not enough to notice anyway); I ride ACE hard bottoms/Bones hard top in mine now.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: toe_knee on July 30, 2023, 05:56:03 PM
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got a set of ultralights, they feel way taller than 148 thunders but i think its because i put fresh 54's on and have worn down ones on the thunder kit.
good turning and stability, trying to leave stock and let the bushing break in. grind is hard but fast kind of?
anyone find the bushings softened up or firmed up?
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The bushings don't firm up in my experience (not enough to notice anyway); I ride ACE hard bottoms/Bones hard top in mine now.

I’m gonna bite the bullet and get a pair, I have ace hard low bushings in my lows right now, and I have a feeling these will be too soft for my liking, do I need to get the hard ace standard height to fit the royals?  I don’t really mess with bones bushings, but I’m definitely gonna need a firmer set of bushings
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2023, 07:43:00 PM
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got a set of ultralights, they feel way taller than 148 thunders but i think its because i put fresh 54's on and have worn down ones on the thunder kit.
good turning and stability, trying to leave stock and let the bushing break in. grind is hard but fast kind of?
anyone find the bushings softened up or firmed up?
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The bushings don't firm up in my experience (not enough to notice anyway); I ride ACE hard bottoms/Bones hard top in mine now.
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I’m gonna bite the bullet and get a pair, I have ace hard low bushings in my lows right now, and I have a feeling these will be too soft for my liking, do I need to get the hard ace standard height to fit the royals?  I don’t really mess with bones bushings, but I’m definitely gonna need a firmer set of bushings

Yes, you will need the hard ACE standards (bottoms at the least). Note the top ace bushing is taller than the stock royal BUT since it's taller it eats up kingpin threads so fewer are visible.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: toe_knee on July 31, 2023, 06:33:54 AM
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got a set of ultralights, they feel way taller than 148 thunders but i think its because i put fresh 54's on and have worn down ones on the thunder kit.
good turning and stability, trying to leave stock and let the bushing break in. grind is hard but fast kind of?
anyone find the bushings softened up or firmed up?
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The bushings don't firm up in my experience (not enough to notice anyway); I ride ACE hard bottoms/Bones hard top in mine now.
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I’m gonna bite the bullet and get a pair, I have ace hard low bushings in my lows right now, and I have a feeling these will be too soft for my liking, do I need to get the hard ace standard height to fit the royals?  I don’t really mess with bones bushings, but I’m definitely gonna need a firmer set of bushings
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Yes, you will need the hard ACE standards (bottoms at the least). Note the top ace bushing is taller than the stock royal BUT since it's taller it eats up kingpin threads so fewer are visible.

Appreciate it Xen
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on July 31, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
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got a set of ultralights, they feel way taller than 148 thunders but i think its because i put fresh 54's on and have worn down ones on the thunder kit.
good turning and stability, trying to leave stock and let the bushing break in. grind is hard but fast kind of?
anyone find the bushings softened up or firmed up?
[close]

The bushings don't firm up in my experience (not enough to notice anyway); I ride ACE hard bottoms/Bones hard top in mine now.
[close]

I’m gonna bite the bullet and get a pair, I have ace hard low bushings in my lows right now, and I have a feeling these will be too soft for my liking, do I need to get the hard ace standard height to fit the royals?  I don’t really mess with bones bushings, but I’m definitely gonna need a firmer set of bushings
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Yes, you will need the hard ACE standards (bottoms at the least). Note the top ace bushing is taller than the stock royal BUT since it's taller it eats up kingpin threads so fewer are visible.
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Appreciate it Xen

That's *if* you want to get the geo as close to stock - if you don't care, use whatever =D I rode indy 92a (blues) and they're shorter, but they worked.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: ASS FAULT on August 01, 2023, 02:00:03 AM
always hated the name.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Shalom Peterson on September 23, 2023, 03:27:44 PM
so Whats everybody's Opinion now that theyve been out for Awhile? Those Vincent AIverez Pro models look enticing
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: disgruntledMTAEmployee on September 23, 2023, 03:46:57 PM
so Whats everybody's Opinion now that theyve been out for Awhile? Those Vincent AIverez Pro models look enticing
they're literally the best trucks on the market and are not talked about enough. bushings are great. Their biggest strength is their pivot cups, they are easily S tier and put indy and ace to shame in that department, you will never need riptides or any sort of bullshit magic trick. Grind, turn, and pinch are all good. No axle slip. Ive been riding the ikp model so can't speak on the kingpin sticking out on the standards. if they keep making them this way I will never ride another truck, so yes, they are excellent and you should support them by buying more so that I, too, can keep buying great trucks.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 23, 2023, 04:30:49 PM
so Whats everybody's Opinion now that theyve been out for Awhile? Those Vincent AIverez Pro models look enticing

I rode them for a bit, they were pretty good. Jack of all trades, master of none. Grind was good. I’d ride them again, they’re worth a shot if you aren’t married to a brand.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: AlumarX on September 23, 2023, 04:40:25 PM
These trucks are amazing if you like riding loose. I don't love these when they're tight, the turn decreases by a lot, but they still feel quite loose. Granted I didnt try harder bushings, that might feel better if you ride tighter.

I have a pair on my cruiser, but I want to get another 8" raws once I move on from Venture lows. They're really stable like Ventures, but the turn is something else. They grind close to Ventures too, except, yeah they're pretty silent. No squeaky noises coming out of these compared to Thunder or Venture.

I didn't like how light the hollows felt though, so I'll be sticking with standard. They're pretty light already even in 144.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 23, 2023, 05:03:21 PM
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so Whats everybody's Opinion now that theyve been out for Awhile? Those Vincent AIverez Pro models look enticing
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I rode them for a bit, they were pretty good. Jack of all trades, master of none. Grind was good. I’d ride them again, they’re worth a shot if you aren’t married to a brand.

I'd say the grind is not great but on par with Venture. My baseplates caught a bit at first. Really good truck otherwise if you want a Thunder/Venture hybrid that has a really deep, loose turn stock. I didn't stick with them because I had to crank the stock bushings and just preferred my Thunders at the time but would gladly skate again.

I'd skate them before I'd skate Ace or Indy.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on September 23, 2023, 05:10:52 PM
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so Whats everybody's Opinion now that theyve been out for Awhile? Those Vincent AIverez Pro models look enticing
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I rode them for a bit, they were pretty good. Jack of all trades, master of none. Grind was good. I’d ride them again, they’re worth a shot if you aren’t married to a brand.
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I'd say the grind is not great but on par with Venture. My baseplates caught a bit at first. Really good truck otherwise if you want a Thunder/Venture hybrid that has a really deep, loose turn stock. I didn't stick with them because I had to crank the stock bushings and just preferred my Thunders at the time but would gladly skate again.

I'd skate them before I'd skate Ace or Indy.


i’m a weirdo that actually liked the last version of royals.
these are a little taller, and i’ll probably like them less, but i prefer the thunder venture side of things.
was hoping these would give me access to skating a larger wheel than 147s, or my 5.2 lo’s.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on September 23, 2023, 07:06:24 PM
so Whats everybody's Opinion now that theyve been out for Awhile? Those Vincent AIverez Pro models look enticing

They're quality trucks, happy to recommend them to a beginner that needs something light and nimble without being too floppy. Like others have said they combine the best features of the big 3 without exceling in any one area - worth a shot if you're in the market to try something slightly different. To my knowledge they are the only brand that did IKP right by having threads on the baseplate to prevent the kingpin from wobbling and loosening with time. Biggest downside is their stock bushings get way too soft after being broken in.

If I was going for a holiday and wanted to pick up a deck from a local shop without knowing what decks they stocked, I'd bring the Royals because they can be ridden on any deck length and WB without me losing my mind to madness.

Also I'd stick to their standard truck, they weigh slightly more than Thunder which is a nice weight to be in. Thunder - 357g, Royal 144 - 365g
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 23, 2023, 08:30:20 PM
^^ Royal has the same IKP shaft nut system indy uses.

Still riding an grinding just fine. Can’t skate anything else these days as all the rest have a singular drawback for me that these don’t (weight, wheelbite, less turn, etc.).

If the Stocks don’t work for you, or you’re on the heavier side, swap out the stock bushings for something harder like ACE dual duro or hards and you’re good to go. Hard ace bottom, flat, sleeved washer, Bones, hard top with a Bones washer on top is what I run (and it keeps threads from showing).

They’re not for everyone, but they work great for me. What I really love about them is that they don’t fuck with my OCD ;)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Murray Hewitt on September 24, 2023, 05:45:57 AM
Yeah I’ve been on the IKP version for about a year now and I’m not thinking of changing anytime soon.
They are great all round. Don’t have to worry about the wheelbase of my deck. Just get whatever. I like that they have reduced my truck madness.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on September 24, 2023, 07:48:06 AM
Also still on my second pair. First the IKP, now raw with ace bushings. Nothing really bothers me with this ones.
Most definitely will be sticking with them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vicious cycle on September 24, 2023, 07:56:58 AM
I'm back on my Royals after a short affair with Ventures 5.6 V-hollows and I have to say these trucks are top notch.
Like a lot of people said, I found that the stock bushings are a little to soft for me.
I put the Ace hards in (top and bottom) and now they are basically perfect for my liking. They do everything I want them to do. Nut is flush. After a lill break in time, they turn like my indy forged, wheelbite is manageable,
grind is fine in my book. They kinda grind like the ventures I had before, pinch is nice, not as good as the ventures but still better than my Indy's.
Overall I would say they are my favorite trucks now. I skated all the big brands besides Ace. They all skate fine but after many quality issues with Indy's and ghost pop on the ventures, I now have the standard royals and 2 sets of the ultralights on different decks and I will buy more of them if they stay in business. I really hope so..
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 25, 2023, 01:31:25 PM
Royals with ACE bushings is S-Tier (don't knock it until you've tried it). If you still crank'em down a bit, the bones hard top with the bones washer eats up threads quite nicely. Back on my 144 ultras after a stint on 159s, just moved the bushings over.

(https://i.ibb.co/GsHjkfm/IMG-5104.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsHjkfm)

Also, the Ultralight (hollow) 159s are really great at that size/weight (compared to indy or ace).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: ulpsb on September 25, 2023, 02:20:52 PM
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My royals 139 right before switching to ace af1 33 lows.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 25, 2023, 03:22:50 PM
I had @LebowskisRug's old trucks and I echo his statement about the grind. I found it subpar compared to the well worn Indy 144 Standards which preceded these. The turn was great, super quick and definitely LOOSE. If you like tight trucks, you'll probably want to change the bushings. They were looser than ACE, in my experience. The IKP kept loosening on its own and this bummed me out.

I ultimately switched to some Ace AF-1 44s and passed the Royals to a friend who loves to experiment with new skate equipment and famously shreds through everything very quickly. I haven't heard what he thinks about them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Meathook on September 26, 2023, 08:25:51 AM
Fuck this thread and it’s praises for making me buy some 144 GG models on sale.  I’ve been on 5.2 low and 147 for a while, but want to get less wheelbite without the ghost pop of higher trucks.  Based on what everyone’s saying this is good option compared to other available.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 26, 2023, 10:04:10 AM
I had @LebowskisRug's old trucks and I echo his statement about the grind. I found it subpar compared to the well worn Indy 144 Standards which preceded these. The turn was great, super quick and definitely LOOSE. If you like tight trucks, you'll probably want to change the bushings. They were looser than ACE, in my experience. The IKP kept loosening on its own and this bummed me out.

I ultimately switched to some Ace AF-1 44s and passed the Royals to a friend who loves to experiment with new skate equipment and famously shreds through everything very quickly. I haven't heard what he thinks about them.

Funny how different everyone's experience can be. I had @Gene_Harrogate 's old trucks, and they were all around pretty great. I'll have to pull them back out of the bin and post a follow up.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on September 26, 2023, 10:11:45 AM
Fuck this thread and it’s praises for making me buy some 144 GG models on sale.  I’ve been on 5.2 low and 147 for a while, but want to get less wheelbite without the ghost pop of higher trucks.  Based on what everyone’s saying this is good option compared to other available.

as i’ve mentioned in other threads, i skate the same trucks as you (both).
i’ve also been wanting to try the royals. thankfully the gg 139s haven’t been anywhere. i can’t even find regular 139s. so i’m safe. for now.
my main reasoning for wanting to try these was to get a truck that is closer to a thunder/venture, that could run a 54 mm wheel. for these streets.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on September 26, 2023, 11:07:06 AM
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Fuck this thread and it’s praises for making me buy some 144 GG models on sale.  I’ve been on 5.2 low and 147 for a while, but want to get less wheelbite without the ghost pop of higher trucks.  Based on what everyone’s saying this is good option compared to other available.
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as i’ve mentioned in other threads, i skate the same trucks as you (both).
i’ve also been wanting to try the royals. thankfully the gg 139s haven’t been anywhere. i can’t even find regular 139s. so i’m safe. for now.
my main reasoning for wanting to try these was to get a truck that is closer to a thunder/venture, that could run a 54 mm wheel. for these streets.
probably not what you want to hear, but the deluxe wooden risers would be a cheaper alternative and you'd still be loyal to your dlx branded trucks. although royal seems to be treating many well and we all have gear madness..
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 26, 2023, 11:14:58 AM
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My royals 139 right before switching to ace af1 33 lows.

How did you grind all that away and not touch the giant kingpin they have?

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Fuck this thread and it’s praises for making me buy some 144 GG models on sale.  I’ve been on 5.2 low and 147 for a while, but want to get less wheelbite without the ghost pop of higher trucks.  Based on what everyone’s saying this is good option compared to other available.
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as i’ve mentioned in other threads, i skate the same trucks as you (both).
i’ve also been wanting to try the royals. thankfully the gg 139s haven’t been anywhere. i can’t even find regular 139s. so i’m safe. for now.
my main reasoning for wanting to try these was to get a truck that is closer to a thunder/venture, that could run a 54 mm wheel. for these streets.
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probably not what you want to hear, but the deluxe wooden risers would be a cheaper alternative and you'd still be loyal to your dlx branded trucks. although royal seems to be treating many well and we all have gear madness..

That's what's really crazy about them, if you settle into them (really settle into them and by that I mean skate them for weeks not 2 sessions), the madness goes away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGDjMRfLzco

Good thing GG didn't get pitched on that back smith with them sticky/hard/slow grinding royals...

Vincent to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v4RZG0YAqY

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Meathook on September 26, 2023, 12:15:21 PM
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My royals 139 right before switching to ace af1 33 lows.
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How did you grind all that away and not touch the giant kingpin they have?

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Fuck this thread and it’s praises for making me buy some 144 GG models on sale.  I’ve been on 5.2 low and 147 for a while, but want to get less wheelbite without the ghost pop of higher trucks.  Based on what everyone’s saying this is good option compared to other available.
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as i’ve mentioned in other threads, i skate the same trucks as you (both).
i’ve also been wanting to try the royals. thankfully the gg 139s haven’t been anywhere. i can’t even find regular 139s. so i’m safe. for now.
my main reasoning for wanting to try these was to get a truck that is closer to a thunder/venture, that could run a 54 mm wheel. for these streets.
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probably not what you want to hear, but the deluxe wooden risers would be a cheaper alternative and you'd still be loyal to your dlx branded trucks. although royal seems to be treating many well and we all have gear madness..
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That's what's really crazy about them, if you settle into them (really settle into them and by that I mean skate them for weeks not 2 sessions), the madness goes away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGDjMRfLzco

Good thing GG didn't get pitched on that back smith with them sticky/hard/slow grinding royals...

Vincent to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v4RZG0YAqY

This is the main reason I want to try them.  Skate something new that does everything well enough to get rid of the madness.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 26, 2023, 01:13:27 PM
I'd buy the ones @Xen has in the Classifieds if I wasn't scarred for life on IKPs thanks to Indy Mids.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 26, 2023, 02:04:21 PM
I don’t know if I mentioned but mine are the ultralights. I wonder if that accounts for some of the grind difference?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 26, 2023, 04:12:23 PM
I don’t know if I mentioned but mine are the ultralights. I wonder if that accounts for some of the grind difference?

There is a different sound between the IKP (solid axle) and the ultralights (hollow axle and hollow regular pin) but the grind is identical.

A buddy of mine believes that the sound of the grind impacts your perception of the grind (much akin to how we feel about wheels and the sounds they make: see bones x97/99).

There might be something to it. Indys and slappys for sure 'sound' better to me when grinding add in the rounded hanger vs the venture/royal thin hanger and there could be a correlation. 

Just gotta grind them. I found I prefer the grind feel and sound of the royals over the venture, even tho both are tinny sounding compared to indy or slappy (and both of those are much heavier).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Doosh215 on September 26, 2023, 04:58:51 PM
This may be a stupid question, but if I replace the bushings with Bones or Ace hard bushings will it change the height of them? I really like the Ultralights I have but the bushings are a little too soft and loose for my taste. I want them a little tighter so I think harder bushings are the right move, but I'd like to keep the feel as close to stock as possible (definitely don't want to make them higher). There's bones hards, and then there are both Ace hard standard, and Ace hard low. What do you think would be the best? And would I keep the stock washers or use the replacement ones that come with new bushings. I've never really messed with my trucks before.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on September 26, 2023, 06:18:59 PM
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My royals 139 right before switching to ace af1 33 lows.
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How did you grind all that away and not touch the giant kingpin they have?

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Fuck this thread and it’s praises for making me buy some 144 GG models on sale.  I’ve been on 5.2 low and 147 for a while, but want to get less wheelbite without the ghost pop of higher trucks.  Based on what everyone’s saying this is good option compared to other available.
[close]

as i’ve mentioned in other threads, i skate the same trucks as you (both).
i’ve also been wanting to try the royals. thankfully the gg 139s haven’t been anywhere. i can’t even find regular 139s. so i’m safe. for now.
my main reasoning for wanting to try these was to get a truck that is closer to a thunder/venture, that could run a 54 mm wheel. for these streets.
[close]
probably not what you want to hear, but the deluxe wooden risers would be a cheaper alternative and you'd still be loyal to your dlx branded trucks. although royal seems to be treating many well and we all have gear madness..
[close]

That's what's really crazy about them, if you settle into them (really settle into them and by that I mean skate them for weeks not 2 sessions), the madness goes away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGDjMRfLzco

Good thing GG didn't get pitched on that back smith with them sticky/hard/slow grinding royals...

Vincent to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v4RZG0YAqY


when i buy these….i’m going to blame you.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: vicious cycle on September 27, 2023, 09:49:19 AM
This may be a stupid question, but if I replace the bushings with Bones or Ace hard bushings will it change the height of them? I really like the Ultralights I have but the bushings are a little too soft and loose for my taste. I want them a little tighter so I think harder bushings are the right move, but I'd like to keep the feel as close to stock as possible (definitely don't want to make them higher). There's bones hards, and then there are both Ace hard standard, and Ace hard low. What do you think would be the best? And would I keep the stock washers or use the replacement ones that come with new bushings. I've never really messed with my trucks before.
I use the Ace standard Hard Bushings.
The bottom bushing is exactly the same height. I put them next to each other, both brand new. So you won't change the height of the trucks. The top Ace is higher. But this does not change the geo. When I put the kingpin nut on and make it flush, so no threat showing, it's basically perfect for me. It's stable, but the turn is still deep enough when you need it. I use the washers that came with the Ace Bushings. They are also pretty similar.
They needed 2-3 sessions to break in. It felt a little bit to thight at first but now it's great. I'm 78 kgs btw.
I mean it's worth a try.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Doosh215 on September 27, 2023, 11:12:29 AM
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This may be a stupid question, but if I replace the bushings with Bones or Ace hard bushings will it change the height of them? I really like the Ultralights I have but the bushings are a little too soft and loose for my taste. I want them a little tighter so I think harder bushings are the right move, but I'd like to keep the feel as close to stock as possible (definitely don't want to make them higher). There's bones hards, and then there are both Ace hard standard, and Ace hard low. What do you think would be the best? And would I keep the stock washers or use the replacement ones that come with new bushings. I've never really messed with my trucks before.
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I use the Ace standard Hard Bushings.
The bottom bushing is exactly the same height. I put them next to each other, both brand new. So you won't change the height of the trucks. The top Ace is higher. But this does not change the geo. When I put the kingpin nut on and make it flush, so no threat showing, it's basically perfect for me. It's stable, but the turn is still deep enough when you need it. I use the washers that came with the Ace Bushings. They are also pretty similar.
They needed 2-3 sessions to break in. It felt a little bit to thight at first but now it's great. I'm 78 kgs btw.
I mean it's worth a try.

I really appreciate the feedback thank you. I'm going to give this a try. I'm about 185 lbs so I think this will be good.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 27, 2023, 12:04:29 PM
This may be a stupid question, but if I replace the bushings with Bones or Ace hard bushings will it change the height of them? I really like the Ultralights I have but the bushings are a little too soft and loose for my taste. I want them a little tighter so I think harder bushings are the right move, but I'd like to keep the feel as close to stock as possible (definitely don't want to make them higher). There's bones hards, and then there are both Ace hard standard, and Ace hard low. What do you think would be the best? And would I keep the stock washers or use the replacement ones that come with new bushings. I've never really messed with my trucks before.

I posted this above but here you go:

Ace HARD bottom is same height as Royal stock bottom (flat washer in below photo / same height as regular)
Bones HARD top (Same height as royal stock) with bones washer

This pairing doesn't change the geo that I can tell AND the bones washer on top of the bones top eats of the 1-2 threads that show using stock bushings.

ACE HARD top as noted above is TALLER but STILL works fine as the top doesn't throw off the geo (like the bottom being higher or lower)...I'd still be using it but when I got the bones hards I tried them (top and bottom but didn't like the feel); and with fucking around with different combos I just put the bones hard top on and said fuckit. You'd be fine with the ace hards top and bottom, as the hard top actually eats up the threads of the kingping as well as the bones with the top washer). If you want a pic I can swap'em and post it.

ACE HARD LOW top shows sooo many threads you'd vomit.


(https://i.ibb.co/LxwWJ14/IMG-5104.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxwWJ14)

At 190lbs this is the best combo for me that still enables a great turn (but not crazy loose).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Doosh215 on September 27, 2023, 12:15:12 PM
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This may be a stupid question, but if I replace the bushings with Bones or Ace hard bushings will it change the height of them? I really like the Ultralights I have but the bushings are a little too soft and loose for my taste. I want them a little tighter so I think harder bushings are the right move, but I'd like to keep the feel as close to stock as possible (definitely don't want to make them higher). There's bones hards, and then there are both Ace hard standard, and Ace hard low. What do you think would be the best? And would I keep the stock washers or use the replacement ones that come with new bushings. I've never really messed with my trucks before.
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I posted this above but here you go:

Ace HARD bottom is same height as Royal stock bottom (flat washer in below photo / same height as regular)
Bones HARD top (Same height as royal stock) with bones washer

This pairing doesn't change the geo that I can tell AND the bones washer on top of the bones top eats of the 1-2 threads that show using stock bushings.

ACE HARD top as noted above is TALLER but STILL works fine as the top doesn't throw off the geo (like the bottom being higher or lower)...I'd still be using it but when I got the bones hards I tried them (top and bottom but didn't like the feel); and with fucking around with different combos I just put the bones hard top on and said fuckit. You'd be fine with the ace hards top and bottom, as the hard top actually eats up the threads of the kingping as well as the bones with the top washer). If you want a pic I can swap'em and post it.

ACE HARD LOW top shows sooo many threads you'd vomit.


(https://i.ibb.co/LxwWJ14/IMG-5104.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxwWJ14)

At 190lbs this is the best combo for me that still enables a great turn (but not crazy loose).

Awesome thank you. Yeah I have some threads showing with the stock bushings that I'm not a fan of. I was going to cut the kingpin but this seems like a much better solution.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 29, 2023, 07:34:38 PM
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This may be a stupid question, but if I replace the bushings with Bones or Ace hard bushings will it change the height of them? I really like the Ultralights I have but the bushings are a little too soft and loose for my taste. I want them a little tighter so I think harder bushings are the right move, but I'd like to keep the feel as close to stock as possible (definitely don't want to make them higher). There's bones hards, and then there are both Ace hard standard, and Ace hard low. What do you think would be the best? And would I keep the stock washers or use the replacement ones that come with new bushings. I've never really messed with my trucks before.
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I posted this above but here you go:

Ace HARD bottom is same height as Royal stock bottom (flat washer in below photo / same height as regular)
Bones HARD top (Same height as royal stock) with bones washer

This pairing doesn't change the geo that I can tell AND the bones washer on top of the bones top eats of the 1-2 threads that show using stock bushings.

ACE HARD top as noted above is TALLER but STILL works fine as the top doesn't throw off the geo (like the bottom being higher or lower)...I'd still be using it but when I got the bones hards I tried them (top and bottom but didn't like the feel); and with fucking around with different combos I just put the bones hard top on and said fuckit. You'd be fine with the ace hards top and bottom, as the hard top actually eats up the threads of the kingping as well as the bones with the top washer). If you want a pic I can swap'em and post it.

ACE HARD LOW top shows sooo many threads you'd vomit.


(https://i.ibb.co/LxwWJ14/IMG-5104.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxwWJ14)

At 190lbs this is the best combo for me that still enables a great turn (but not crazy loose).
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Awesome thank you. Yeah I have some threads showing with the stock bushings that I'm not a fan of. I was going to cut the kingpin but this seems like a much better solution.

144 Royal Ultras + ACE hards top/bottom + MoMo the kitteh

(https://i.ibb.co/dbRFK4z/IMG-5129.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbRFK4z)

(https://i.ibb.co/pWfJm5q/IMG-5128.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pWfJm5q)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Meathook on September 30, 2023, 07:23:50 AM
Does anyone else think these are made in the same place Aces are/were?  I just got a pair and the finish and bushings are VERY similar to an older pair of ace classics I have.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2023, 07:26:20 AM
It's possible, but the metal seems to grind nothing like an Ace.

Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2023, 10:42:04 AM
Does anyone else think these are made in the same place Aces are/were?  I just got a pair and the finish and bushings are VERY similar to an older pair of ace classics I have.

I don’t know aces you skated, but the ugly/cheap and deep pitted look at the Royals doesn’t look anything like Classics or AF1s. Classic’s weren’t mirror polished like af1s tho.

I’d wager the semi solid state during the Rheocasting is why they are so dimpled/pitted…or lazy/not cost effective to polish (not that you need polished trucks…but they do look nicer at retail).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2023, 10:48:07 AM
Now that I know how to polish trucks and polished the heinous Kader raws I'll offer free polishing services to anyone who will cover shipping. Ship trucks to me, I'll ship via Shippo for $7
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2023, 10:53:02 AM
Now that I know how to polish trucks and polished the heinous Kader raws I'll offer free polishing services to anyone who will cover shipping. Ship trucks to me, I'll ship via Shippo for $7

Those kaders weren’t that bad ;) I liked them and those raw Louie Indys and thunder raws.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Doosh215 on September 30, 2023, 11:14:10 AM
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This may be a stupid question, but if I replace the bushings with Bones or Ace hard bushings will it change the height of them? I really like the Ultralights I have but the bushings are a little too soft and loose for my taste. I want them a little tighter so I think harder bushings are the right move, but I'd like to keep the feel as close to stock as possible (definitely don't want to make them higher). There's bones hards, and then there are both Ace hard standard, and Ace hard low. What do you think would be the best? And would I keep the stock washers or use the replacement ones that come with new bushings. I've never really messed with my trucks before.
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I posted this above but here you go:

Ace HARD bottom is same height as Royal stock bottom (flat washer in below photo / same height as regular)
Bones HARD top (Same height as royal stock) with bones washer

This pairing doesn't change the geo that I can tell AND the bones washer on top of the bones top eats of the 1-2 threads that show using stock bushings.

ACE HARD top as noted above is TALLER but STILL works fine as the top doesn't throw off the geo (like the bottom being higher or lower)...I'd still be using it but when I got the bones hards I tried them (top and bottom but didn't like the feel); and with fucking around with different combos I just put the bones hard top on and said fuckit. You'd be fine with the ace hards top and bottom, as the hard top actually eats up the threads of the kingping as well as the bones with the top washer). If you want a pic I can swap'em and post it.

ACE HARD LOW top shows sooo many threads you'd vomit.


(https://i.ibb.co/LxwWJ14/IMG-5104.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LxwWJ14)

At 190lbs this is the best combo for me that still enables a great turn (but not crazy loose).
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Awesome thank you. Yeah I have some threads showing with the stock bushings that I'm not a fan of. I was going to cut the kingpin but this seems like a much better solution.
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144 Royal Ultras + ACE hards top/bottom + MoMo the kitteh

(https://i.ibb.co/dbRFK4z/IMG-5129.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbRFK4z)

(https://i.ibb.co/pWfJm5q/IMG-5128.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pWfJm5q)

Cat seems to approve, and that's good enough for me
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2023, 12:55:36 PM
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Now that I know how to polish trucks and polished the heinous Kader raws I'll offer free polishing services to anyone who will cover shipping. Ship trucks to me, I'll ship via Shippo for $7
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Those kaders weren’t that bad ;) I liked them and those raw Louie Indys and thunder raws.

Ya they weren't as terrible as 95% of the Venture collabs/special editions but I love the polished/purple bushing look of the V-lights I have and it was a fun challenge. Actually super easy if you have a dremel and the right wheels.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2023, 03:36:53 PM
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Now that I know how to polish trucks and polished the heinous Kader raws I'll offer free polishing services to anyone who will cover shipping. Ship trucks to me, I'll ship via Shippo for $7
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Those kaders weren’t that bad ;) I liked them and those raw Louie Indys and thunder raws.
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Ya they weren't as terrible as 95% of the Venture collabs/special editions but I love the polished/purple bushing look of the V-lights I have and it was a fun challenge. Actually super easy if you have a dremel and the right wheels.

Pics!
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 17, 2023, 11:44:28 AM
Don't know why I left these new Royals a few months ago. Felt good before and back on them they feel better. Front crooks feel so easy to hold.

What did the madness make you ride instead of the royals? For me it's always Thunders...then I jump right back to the royals.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 17, 2023, 01:23:15 PM
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Now that I know how to polish trucks and polished the heinous Kader raws I'll offer free polishing services to anyone who will cover shipping. Ship trucks to me, I'll ship via Shippo for $7
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Those kaders weren’t that bad ;) I liked them and those raw Louie Indys and thunder raws.
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Ya they weren't as terrible as 95% of the Venture collabs/special editions but I love the polished/purple bushing look of the V-lights I have and it was a fun challenge. Actually super easy if you have a dremel and the right wheels.
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Pics!

(https://i.imgur.com/HBepyHL.mp4)

Old vid, there's some polishing compound still on one truck hence the dots. They're not a super shiny polish like a Thunder or some V Light options- more like an Indy.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Ok on October 17, 2023, 01:35:43 PM
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Now that I know how to polish trucks and polished the heinous Kader raws I'll offer free polishing services to anyone who will cover shipping. Ship trucks to me, I'll ship via Shippo for $7
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Those kaders weren’t that bad ;) I liked them and those raw Louie Indys and thunder raws.
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Ya they weren't as terrible as 95% of the Venture collabs/special editions but I love the polished/purple bushing look of the V-lights I have and it was a fun challenge. Actually super easy if you have a dremel and the right wheels.
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Pics!
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(https://i.imgur.com/HBepyHL.mp4)

Old vid, there's some polishing compound still on one truck hence the dots. They're not a super shiny polish like a Thunder or some V Light options- more like an Indy.

i like that.
and 2 bolts per, like a real one.
nice work
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Mick on October 18, 2023, 06:37:02 PM
Damn those look good, wouldn't even know they were the raw finish originally
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 18, 2023, 06:41:55 PM
I'm temporarily in Venture-land but my house is located on Thunder island
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2023, 09:27:14 AM
Damn those look good, wouldn't even know they were the raw finish originally

I can't see the vid/pics - not sure why, I don't see the link?

I'm temporarily in Venture-land but my house is located on Thunder island

I'm tempted by these forged raw unridden v-lites (that I can't seem to sell on classifieds) that I have sitting around...
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 20, 2023, 10:41:26 AM
V lites are great- super snappy. But for whatever reason on them the rear of the board takes for fucking ever to come up and I'm not about to go down the rabbit hole of finding a new deck to pair with them when the shape I've had like 15 of in the last year or two has been great with cast for the most part.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
V lites are great- super snappy. But for whatever reason on them the rear of the board takes for fucking ever to come up and I'm not about to go down the rabbit hole of finding a new deck to pair with them when the shape I've had like 15 of in the last year or two has been great with cast for the most part.

I'm sitting on a Primitive so the short WB and longer kicks will pair well with them.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: skateboardingenthusiast on December 06, 2023, 11:25:23 AM
Yeah I’ve been on the IKP version for about a year now and I’m not thinking of changing anytime soon.
They are great all round. Don’t have to worry about the wheelbase of my deck. Just get whatever. I like that they have reduced my truck madness.
Okay, this right here is what makes me want to get a pair. Seems like standards are the way to go with these.

This could be their place in the market. “Just get whatever.”

Stuck in a hard place with your truck madness and find yourself switching back and forth between Indy and Thunder? Royals, baby.

Looking forward to these. Glad to see a nostalgic brand get an update. Good on Crailtap. Makes me wonder where Silver trucks is in all of this… it’d be dope to see them make a resurgence, too.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on December 07, 2023, 07:49:56 AM
Makes me wonder where Silver trucks is in all of this… it’d be dope to see them make a resurgence, too.
all Silver needs to do is continue making their skate tool, nothing else
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 07, 2023, 09:35:21 AM
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Makes me wonder where Silver trucks is in all of this… it’d be dope to see them make a resurgence, too.
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all Silver needs to do is continue making their skate tool, nothing else
Probably that's what keep them in business
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: PalaceButtPlug on December 07, 2023, 02:07:28 PM
They are better than indy's for sure. I'm two months deep and very happy with grinds and slides
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Glutenpadre on December 10, 2023, 11:10:38 PM
Anyone Else using a Indy Hanger?
I switched from 8.5 to 8.3 and didn't want to buy a new pair.
Sits in pretty snug, geometry is maybe a little off but still nice.
Occasional wheel bite but the added grind smoothness/clearance has been great for me.

(https://i.ibb.co/xgQmbRb/image-67208961.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xgQmbRb)
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: sebbo on December 13, 2023, 05:34:31 AM
Anyone Else using a Indy Hanger?
I switched from 8.5 to 8.3 and didn't want to buy a new pair.
Sits in pretty snug, geometry is maybe a little off but still nice.
Occasional wheel bite but the added grind smoothness/clearance has been great for me.

(https://i.ibb.co/xgQmbRb/image-67208961.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xgQmbRb)

a buddy is using his thunder hangers and it looks ugly af  ;D
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 13, 2023, 09:44:12 AM
I dunno why you'd use a Thunder hanger. I had the same small nitpick that Ben D did in that its either the type of metal or shape of the baseplate but it didn't slide any better than a Thunder for me. I could hear it slide, but still felt like I had to lean back on noseslides the same
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Obijuan91 on December 15, 2023, 11:09:48 AM
They’re on sale at skate warehouse for 30$ with shipping. Gave up on the Indy mids and compulsively bought a pair. Now I got way to many trucks and currently can’t skate cuz of a year long neck injury first world problems.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: disgruntledMTAEmployee on December 15, 2023, 08:17:18 PM
They’re on sale at skate warehouse for 30$ with shipping. Gave up on the Indy mids and compulsively bought a pair. Now I got way to many trucks and currently can’t skate cuz of a year long neck injury first world problems.
you won't regret it. indys are trash now
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on December 16, 2023, 05:43:02 AM
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They’re on sale at skate warehouse for 30$ with shipping. Gave up on the Indy mids and compulsively bought a pair. Now I got way to many trucks and currently can’t skate cuz of a year long neck injury first world problems.
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you won't regret it. indys are trash now

Yeah I'm skating Thunders at the moment but Royals are the best all round truck in my opinion. Won't regret it
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kaydubbb on December 17, 2023, 09:10:41 PM
I'm thinking about picking up some royals, how do I know if I'm looking at the old ones or the new ones?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2023, 09:39:36 PM
I'm thinking about picking up some royals, how do I know if I'm looking at the old ones or the new ones?

The old royals came with black bushings and said 'The Royal Truck Company' along the baseplate. The sticker on the hanger was also very basic/flat.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/59888/123444/Royal-NoLogo-1__28007.1629901112.jpg?c=2)

The new royals come with blue or white bushings and just say ROYAL on the baseplate (or black bushings if you stumble upon some black ones) - the NEW sticker is prismatic.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7PX_GRFjGaiP-luu6fdSRWuuc7pduQdHIe5ly2fZz09q6lWCIDHjAxJ_esauHHba9WfwXH1lzFh3F7Ur9CmaRzCnHDAj1ZhJK6XwgOaCnvPJn1PEVXyodyA&usqp=CAE)

If you go for the IKP version know that Mike Mo's pro model royal truck is the OLD royal (and the IKP were black).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kaydubbb on December 17, 2023, 10:03:31 PM
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I'm thinking about picking up some royals, how do I know if I'm looking at the old ones or the new ones?
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The old royals came with black bushings and said 'The Royal Truck Company' along the baseplate. The sticker on the hanger was also very basic/flat.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/59888/123444/Royal-NoLogo-1__28007.1629901112.jpg?c=2)

The new royals come with blue or white bushings and just say ROYAL on the baseplate (or black bushings if you stumble upon some black ones) - the NEW sticker is prismatic.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7PX_GRFjGaiP-luu6fdSRWuuc7pduQdHIe5ly2fZz09q6lWCIDHjAxJ_esauHHba9WfwXH1lzFh3F7Ur9CmaRzCnHDAj1ZhJK6XwgOaCnvPJn1PEVXyodyA&usqp=CAE)

If you go for the IKP version know that Mike Mo's pro model royal truck is the OLD royal (and the IKP were black).

Thanks for the info Xen, I know you rave about the royals, how do you find the wheelbite on them?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2023, 11:04:56 PM

Thanks for the info Xen, I know you rave about the royals, how do you find the wheelbite on them?

Compared to riding thunder? Nonexistent.

Of course it still happens and those stock bushings are soft…wheelbite city.

94a thunder bottom/ bones hard bottom as top bushing, bones flat washer on bottom is the sweet spot for me (195lbs / 53/54mm wheels).
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Kaydubbb on December 18, 2023, 12:05:01 AM
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Thanks for the info Xen, I know you rave about the royals, how do you find the wheelbite on them?
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Compared to riding thunder? Nonexistent.

Of course it still happens and those stock bushings are soft…wheelbite city.

94a thunder bottom/ bones hard bottom as top bushing, bones flat washer on bottom is the sweet spot for me (195lbs / 53/54mm wheels).

Sounds like it will work for me then. If the bottom bushing is tall like thunders I'll probably get away with my ace hard bottom bushing I've been using with a thicker and super cupped washer.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2023, 01:51:02 PM
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Thanks for the info Xen, I know you rave about the royals, how do you find the wheelbite on them?
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Compared to riding thunder? Nonexistent.

Of course it still happens and those stock bushings are soft…wheelbite city.

94a thunder bottom/ bones hard bottom as top bushing, bones flat washer on bottom is the sweet spot for me (195lbs / 53/54mm wheels).
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Sounds like it will work for me then. If the bottom bushing is tall like thunders I'll probably get away with my ace hard bottom bushing I've been using with a thicker and super cupped washer.

I usually run ACE hard bottoms/tops in the royals, my current set is just beat so tried misc hard bushings I had laying around and landed on the thunder bottom/bones bottom as top combo; conical bottom does change the dynamics of the truck a bit, slightly more nimble.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 18, 2023, 02:26:34 PM
I'm going to try a set.

I just gotta slim the truck ice chest. I didn't even know I had like 2 set of 44s and I thought I passed on the Slappy Hollow but I didn't.

I guess I gave up some 144s instead. Probably because whoever runs Slappy IG, i assumed Sinclair gave me um before they dropped so they're kinda extra cool.

It's the only product I've ever asked someone for. I feel funny about that stuff
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: rocklobster on December 18, 2023, 06:01:33 PM
Standards (their best truck IMO) is going for $32 a pair on SWH, tack that on with the 30% discount and there's never been a better time to try them out.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Obijuan91 on December 18, 2023, 06:16:01 PM
Just got my pair today and g’damn them things loose as fuck. Wheelbite city but I’m running 54s on em.
Anyone know how long these bushings take to break in or am I going to have to actually turn em and show king pin? Got a pair of Indy blues I’m already thinking of switching in
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Micki Free on December 18, 2023, 06:41:38 PM
Just got my pair today and g’damn them things loose as fuck. Wheelbite city but I’m running 54s on em.
Anyone know how long these bushings take to break in or am I going to have to actually turn em and show king pin? Got a pair of Indy blues I’m already thinking of switching in

They stayed pretty loose for me even after skating a bit. I ride pretty loose trucks, so i actually liked the looseness and that they didnt harden up in the cold. But i also run 52s so at 54s youll probably want to tighten them up a bit or get Harder bushings tbh.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2023, 07:27:43 PM
Just got my pair today and g’damn them things loose as fuck. Wheelbite city but I’m running 54s on em.
Anyone know how long these bushings take to break in or am I going to have to actually turn em and show king pin? Got a pair of Indy blues I’m already thinking of switching in

They don't firm up....note that the bottom bushing is taller than indy bottoms (I ran indy blues in them, it was fine but lots of pin showing); ACE bushings are perfect fit.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Obijuan91 on December 19, 2023, 08:56:38 AM
Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 25, 2023, 09:28:50 PM
I think I just ordered some inverted kingpin 159s for shits and giggles …
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 28, 2023, 11:39:37 AM
Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work


The bottom bushing is the same size as an ace or thunder bottom bushing; tops are regular sized.

The Indy stage four bushings The bottom is on par with aces, I believe, and the tops are where it’s really taller like the current ace tops.

Clearly that style geometry requires a taller top bushing.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Obijuan91 on December 28, 2023, 05:03:04 PM
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Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work
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The bottom bushing is the same size as an ace or thunder bottom bushing; tops are regular sized.

The Indy stage four bushings The bottom is on par with aces, I believe, and the tops are where it’s really taller like the current ace tops.

Clearly that style geometry requires a taller top bushing.

Thank you sir for all of you knowledge on all the threads I have gone trying to figure out my mid truck madness. I threw a flat washer inside the bottom washer and it made the buttom bushing the same height. Feels great now, and these trucks are great. Madness solved.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 29, 2023, 01:36:14 AM
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Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work
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The bottom bushing is the same size as an ace or thunder bottom bushing; tops are regular sized.

The Indy stage four bushings The bottom is on par with aces, I believe, and the tops are where it’s really taller like the current ace tops.

Clearly that style geometry requires a taller top bushing.
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Thank you sir for all of you knowledge on all the threads I have gone trying to figure out my mid truck madness. I threw a flat washer inside the bottom washer and it made the buttom bushing the same height. Feels great now, and these trucks are great. Madness solved.
For now...
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on December 29, 2023, 10:38:33 AM
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Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work
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The bottom bushing is the same size as an ace or thunder bottom bushing; tops are regular sized.

The Indy stage four bushings The bottom is on par with aces, I believe, and the tops are where it’s really taller like the current ace tops.

Clearly that style geometry requires a taller top bushing.
[close]

Thank you sir for all of you knowledge on all the threads I have gone trying to figure out my mid truck madness. I threw a flat washer inside the bottom washer and it made the buttom bushing the same height. Feels great now, and these trucks are great. Madness solved.

Does it rattle? Seems like it might?
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Obijuan91 on December 29, 2023, 04:39:51 PM
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Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work
[close]


The bottom bushing is the same size as an ace or thunder bottom bushing; tops are regular sized.

The Indy stage four bushings The bottom is on par with aces, I believe, and the tops are where it’s really taller like the current ace tops.

Clearly that style geometry requires a taller top bushing.
[close]

Thank you sir for all of you knowledge on all the threads I have gone trying to figure out my mid truck madness. I threw a flat washer inside the bottom washer and it made the buttom bushing the same height. Feels great now, and these trucks are great. Madness solved.
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Does it rattle? Seems like it might?


It did when I had the over sized fender washers under the bottom truck washer.l bought a flat 3/8” washer that fit inside the bottom truck washer but the bushing on top of it and it’s fine. No rattling and it fit perfect.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2024, 04:20:06 PM
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Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work
[close]


The bottom bushing is the same size as an ace or thunder bottom bushing; tops are regular sized.

The Indy stage four bushings The bottom is on par with aces, I believe, and the tops are where it’s really taller like the current ace tops.

Clearly that style geometry requires a taller top bushing.
[close]

Thank you sir for all of you knowledge on all the threads I have gone trying to figure out my mid truck madness. I threw a flat washer inside the bottom washer and it made the buttom bushing the same height. Feels great now, and these trucks are great. Madness solved.

@Obijuan91

So the Stage IV infdy bushings do not fit (sorta).

Both the bottom and top are taller than everything I have (venture/indy/thunder/ace/royal/etc.) However, the tops are close enough to ACE tops that you could use a standard royal/ace bottom and stage IV top to eat up the showing threads.
Title: Re: New royal trucks
Post by: Obijuan91 on February 23, 2024, 12:22:50 PM
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Wondering if tightening them down shortens the wheelbase to Indy territory since I seen somewhere that it’s at 3.05
Anyone know if the old Indy classic bushings that are meant for the stage 4s the same height?
Everyone talks about how good the bushings are in the cold so I’m wondering if they’re more of an east coast winter type of vibe cuz if they’re going to mush up during the summer then they’re not worth me trying to make them work
[close]


The bottom bushing is the same size as an ace or thunder bottom bushing; tops are regular sized.

The Indy stage four bushings The bottom is on par with aces, I believe, and the tops are where it’s really taller like the current ace tops.

Clearly that style geometry requires a taller top bushing.
[close]

Thank you sir for all of you knowledge on all the threads I have gone trying to figure out my mid truck madness. I threw a flat washer inside the bottom washer and it made the buttom bushing the same height. Feels great now, and these trucks are great. Madness solved.
[close]

@Obijuan91

So the Stage IV infdy bushings do not fit (sorta).

Both the bottom and top are taller than everything I have (venture/indy/thunder/ace/royal/etc.) However, the tops are close enough to ACE tops that you could use a standard royal/ace bottom and stage IV top to eat up the showing threads.

That’s good to know. I ended up giving in and got the pig bushings but I haven’t been able to skate to fully see how they feel with just a thread showing. Good looking out tho I’ll keep that in mind if these don’t work