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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Reed Richards on March 06, 2022, 12:59:03 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CaxWs3al56G/
This makes her the second Black woman ever with a pro board, joining Samarria.
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I voted There a 10 on the coolness poll
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Who
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Ya absolutely love to see it.
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
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Based on what I’ve seen she’s got a sick style, stoked for her and to see the new There video!
Those premiere photos are heartwarming but also made me kinda sad, because I can’t remember the last time I was in a crowd full of happy people. Covid times + getting older is a harsh one-two punch :/
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Yay! Happy for her. Going pro does mean a lot, it means being supported and being seen. I'm glad she's got this opportunity.
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
Thank you for very quickly outing yourself as homophobic, transphobic and probably racist by posting one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve read all this year.
Fuck you.
lmao....i am so confused by this interaction
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
Thank you for very quickly outing yourself as homophobic, transphobic and probably racist by posting one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve read all this year.
Fuck you.
i am so confused by this interaction
I assumed he was saying this is proof being a pro doesn’t mean shit, while saying it about a young person of color being turned pro for a lgbtqia+ company.
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
Thank you for very quickly outing yourself as homophobic, transphobic and probably racist by posting one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve read all this year.
Fuck you.
i am so confused by this interaction
hm....ok tho i never heard of this girl or the company so maybe he hasnt too
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
Thank you for very quickly outing yourself as homophobic, transphobic and probably racist by posting one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve read all this year.
Fuck you.
i am so confused by this interaction
hm....ok tho i never heard of this girl or the company so maybe he hasnt too
I agree, however the optics of it weren’t a very good look in my opinion and his post was in poor taste. All things considered my escalation wasn’t exactly warranted, which is why I ended up taking it down. Was already upset about some other bullshit, so I was running a little hot. Appreciate ya, @conqueso.
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
Thank you for very quickly outing yourself as homophobic, transphobic and probably racist by posting one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve read all this year.
Fuck you.
lmao what did I say that was homophobic, transphobic, or racist? All I said was that this person sucks at skating and doesnt deserve pro status. Look at how hard Felipe Nunes goes he doesn't have any fucking feet ffs. All I see this "pro" doing is manuals and flatground switch flips.
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
Thank you for very quickly outing yourself as homophobic, transphobic and probably racist by posting one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve read all this year.
Fuck you.
I'm not going to say that you're phobic, but you are cringe.
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Well I'm happy for her. Hope to see one in a shop or in the wild some day
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She’s got a great switch flip. Congrats for her :-) very wholesome premier photos.
There is one of the cooler brands out now
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life is a hell ride pro for newly trademarked skateboards
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if anything i can see this as being more relevant then all the other threads that are like “bip wafflehouse pro for Fishtank” and all the responses are people just going “oh weird. never heard of any of this stuff but that’s cool” and one guy going “southeast iowa represent!! skated with bip once for half an hour and we didn’t speak but he seemed cool”
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Cool
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Inspiring skater. My next deck might be a There board. I wanted to get a Marbie deck for my gf but they sold out.
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Where?
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I forget…Are we still shaming people for super-spreader parties or did we move on?
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Stoked on There’s vibe and aesthetics, especially with Jeff Cheung’s artwork - so if Jessyka’s pro model is an 8 that'll likely be my next board.
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There!
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as if the world needed more proof that pro status doesn't mean shit these days
Middle aged skater here & have to admit when I saw this news last night I had a similar gut reaction. But then I remembered that what’s sickest about skateboarding is that it isn’t a competitive sport. That how you contribute to the culture is as, or more, important than the tricks you do. That good skateboarding is skating that makes other people want to skate, & I reckon this girl makes lots of people want to skate. And that’s why she’s pro now. And I quickly went from thinking skating was in a weird spot these days to realizing it’s better than it’s ever been. My next board will be a There. Shane O’Neill still exists if that’s your bag, but skating is so much bigger these days, and better for it.
ps, that said, dude who quickly ran out the “phobia’s” post had me very confused lol. I assume they are young & online way too much.
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It’s just a company doing marketing stuff, trying to create as many customers for life as they can just like every other company right?
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bip wafflehouse
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
Should everyone who's currently am or flow be pro then, in your opinion?
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Another "pro"
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
Should everyone who's currently am or flow be pro then, in your opinion?
Flow should be called am and am should be called semi-pro or just pro. Then pro with pro model is superstar deluxe professional
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Superstar Deluxe Professional sounds like one helluva rad title.
Would love to have that on my resume.
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What a time
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
Yeah but the pros in 1998 (and many years after) were widely understood to be really, really good at skateboarding.
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if anything i can see this as being more relevant then all the other threads that are like “bip wafflehouse pro for Fishtank” and all the responses are people just going “oh weird. never heard of any of this stuff but that’s cool” and one guy going “southeast iowa represent!! skated with bip once for half an hour and we didn’t speak but he seemed cool”
Wafflehouse got 2026 SOTY smouthered and covered
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Skating will be better when all the people obsessing over "meritocracy"-based sponsorship get frustrated and quit
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I mean, clearly not.
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Skating will be better when all the people obsessing over "meritocracy"-based sponsorship get frustrated and quit
Easily one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here, congrats
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call me crazy but i just feel like you ought to be good at skating to be a pro skater.
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call me crazy but i just feel like you ought to be good at skating to be a pro skater.
We just live in a different time in skateboarding. Youtubers are more famous than your legacy pro skaters, small companies are doing better than the big companies, skaters that suck can be pro and sell more skateboards than your average pro skater. It's just different than how it used to be.
On the flip side though, I do follow some of the people associated with There skateboards and I do dig how they are just like any other skate crew with their filmers, their photographers, their artist, etc. The following they have in the Bay Area is really strong and they do a lot with Skate Like A Girl which I dig as well.
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I fully back an Arin pro model for Sci Fi.
There does a lot for the LGTBQ scene. One morning I was skating the spot and there were 2 trans skaters there. After chatting for a while they noted that they got flowed from Unity because their parents basically cut them off for being trans. Given that the Trans suicide rate is insanely high and personally, while I’m not Trans and cannot directly relate, being young and figuring your identity out is hard as fuck.
I think Corey Duffel said that he just couldn’t relate to tall tees and nollie nose manuals and I remember when he first came onto the scene he got tons of shit for “not being that good” compared to the rail chompers of the era. Clearly that changed and he provided a model for a lot of kids that felt the same way. I’m sure gender identity is a lot harder to sort out and a community for people to reside and feel welcome when they’re effectively shunned from most of society is fantastic. I’ll buy a There deck with anyones name on it if it’s good wood and the right shape because what they’re doing is probably more important for skating than most brands even if it doesn’t churn out cutting edge footy.
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ya, ima chuck my 2 cents in the "_____ turns pro for _____ skateboards est. this month" jar
congrats tho, bet ya mama's proud at least
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that kickflip down the 3 earned it
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There does a lot for the LGTBQ scene. One morning I was skating the spot and there were 2 trans skaters there. After chatting for a while they noted that they got flowed from Unity because their parents basically cut them off for being trans. Given that the Trans suicide rate is insanely high and personally, while I’m not Trans and cannot directly relate, being young and figuring your identity out is hard as fuck.
I was at Pier 7 months back and a whole crew of the There skaters came through. Didn't know who they were until I looked them up. Chico Brenes was there and then minutes later, Frank Grewer comes by as well as Dennis Busineitz. It was like something you would never see at Pier 7 back in the days.
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If there are people willing to buy the boards then it makes sense to turn someone pro. Just because you wont buy it, doesn’t mean others won’t. That is all there is to it and I can’t believe we are still arguing about this.
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
Should everyone who's currently am or flow be pro then, in your opinion?
did he say that?
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
Yeah but the pros in 1998 (and many years after) were widely understood to be really, really good at skateboarding.
i guarantee you that i could grab almost any skateboarding magazine from 1998 and find plenty of mediocre skateboarding and ultimately forgettable pros for a number of back-of-the-mag brands
I fully back an Arin pro model for Sci Fi.
There does a lot for the LGTBQ scene. One morning I was skating the spot and there were 2 trans skaters there. After chatting for a while they noted that they got flowed from Unity because their parents basically cut them off for being trans. Given that the Trans suicide rate is insanely high and personally, while I’m not Trans and cannot directly relate, being young and figuring your identity out is hard as fuck.
I think Corey Duffel said that he just couldn’t relate to tall tees and nollie nose manuals and I remember when he first came onto the scene he got tons of shit for “not being that good” compared to the rail chompers of the era. Clearly that changed and he provided a model for a lot of kids that felt the same way. I’m sure gender identity is a lot harder to sort out and a community for people to reside and feel welcome when they’re effectively shunned from most of society is fantastic. I’ll buy a There deck with anyones name on it if it’s good wood and the right shape because what they’re doing is probably more important for skating than most brands even if it doesn’t churn out cutting edge footy.
very well said, this shit is very important to basically everyone other than straight white males and it's sad so many people are this bent out of shape about it
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
Should everyone who's currently am or flow be pro then, in your opinion?
can you read?
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if anything i can see this as being more relevant then all the other threads that are like “bip wafflehouse pro for Fishtank” and all the responses are people just going “oh weird. never heard of any of this stuff but that’s cool” and one guy going “southeast iowa represent!! skated with bip once for half an hour and we didn’t speak but he seemed cool”
Bip Wafflehouse fucking shreds bro wtf are you on about
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In my opinion, it's great marginalized groups are getting embraced and are more accepted into skateboarding. A rising tide lifts all ships.
Besides, big online distributors are killing mom-and-pop skate shops. Coupled with the increased cost of renting a storefront and the ease/low cost of shipping direct to customers, I feel we're going to see a lot more small companies and pros pop up. It seems to be a successful business model these days.
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I fully back an Arin pro model for Sci Fi.
There does a lot for the LGTBQ scene. One morning I was skating the spot and there were 2 trans skaters there. After chatting for a while they noted that they got flowed from Unity because their parents basically cut them off for being trans. Given that the Trans suicide rate is insanely high and personally, while I’m not Trans and cannot directly relate, being young and figuring your identity out is hard as fuck.
I think Corey Duffel said that he just couldn’t relate to tall tees and nollie nose manuals and I remember when he first came onto the scene he got tons of shit for “not being that good” compared to the rail chompers of the era. Clearly that changed and he provided a model for a lot of kids that felt the same way. I’m sure gender identity is a lot harder to sort out and a community for people to reside and feel welcome when they’re effectively shunned from most of society is fantastic. I’ll buy a There deck with anyones name on it if it’s good wood and the right shape because what they’re doing is probably more important for skating than most brands even if it doesn’t churn out cutting edge footy.
one of the only good takes in this thread
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Seems like a whole lot of people forget that being pro is largely a marketing decision? Not to mention there's been plenty of "untalented" skaters who've had pro models for companies you've never heard so why is this the specific time you decide to get your panties in a twist? Worms for brains, man.
I think Corey Duffel said that he just couldn’t relate to tall tees and nollie nose manuals and I remember when he first came onto the scene he got tons of shit for “not being that good” compared to the rail chompers of the era. Clearly that changed and he provided a model for a lot of kids that felt the same way. I’m sure gender identity is a lot harder to sort out and a community for people to reside and feel welcome when they’re effectively shunned from most of society is fantastic. I’ll buy a There deck with anyones name on it if it’s good wood and the right shape because what they’re doing is probably more important for skating than most brands even if it doesn’t churn out cutting edge footy.
This is one of the best comparisons I've heard and will definitely be using it in the future
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I have a copy of a 1998 interview issue of a Transworld, where all these pros are giving their opinion of the current skate industry.
Almost every interview in that thing has someone complaining about how there's "too many pros these days", that the market was flooded, game was fucked up, "back in 1993 you had to pay your dues", "it doesn't mean anything anymore", etc etc etc.
people have been bitching about this since the beginning of street skateboarding. It seems like a dumb argument in 1998 and it seems like a dumb argument now. it never seems to actually "fuck up the game" or water it down the way people claim it will -- after all, it's 2022 and the industry is still here and the culture is still alive. I think it's a thinly veiled way of screaming into the abyss "i hate change" or "new things are scary" or maybe "i like the existing monopolies"
I think the only criteria to put someone's name on a skateboard should be that the company is stoked on them, and they think that person can sell a few boards to the target demo. Any other criteria for what makes a "real" pro are gonna be either jockish (how many inches high can you ollie) or impossible to define in objective terms (he/she/they paid their """d u e s""")
Should everyone who's currently am or flow be pro then, in your opinion?
No. Why would you imply thats what I am getting at?
There are a thousands of no name Am and Flow skaters who have no name recognition, aren't quite developed, or haven't quite baked themself into a team or crew enough to be representing that brand. The people that run skate brands and who are fronting the money to make the boards, making the calls to get them distributed, and packing the UPS boxes with web orders, etc, get to define who makes sense to be Pro, based on the audience they are trying to aim towards. And there aren't infinite slots on a team: obviously you are limited by how many boards you want to drop in a season without wearing out your audience, and so many different graphics and board shapes you can press up in a season before you run out of money. So brand owners still have to be selective, and will be.
And this gets me to the main point : anyone is allowed to start a brand and test the waters. If skaters think it's bogus, they will not buy the boards, but if they think it's sick, and identify with it, they will. If skateshops think their customers fuck with a brand, they will order some boards for the wall, but if they don't, they won't. What makes skateboarding so interesting is this process playing out every couple of years, and legacy brands constantly having to re-prove why they are relevant and worth supporting.
Why does this completely normal (and to me, exciting) process get people so bent out of shape?