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Title: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on April 23, 2022, 08:42:53 AM
These have been a massive pain in my ass for years. I can do them but really not that well. Would love to be able to go over / up stuff easier and get consistent at switch bs flips. Reverting the last bit comes so natually doing them regular but when it comes to switch it just doesn't work at all. It's hard to explain what happens but my body weight just kind of lands all wrong and doesn't allow my legs to sweep around. Any general tips or anything that helped you with these I'd love to hear.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: silhouette on April 23, 2022, 08:57:56 AM
I've been doing those a bit more over the past year or so and getting better at them by approaching them differently on two points, first off back foot placement I feel like plays a big role, you want your big toe near the center just like you would for a switch pop shove, to get that same kind of rebound that keeps the board flat and prevents it from flipping over. And second point is the direction you're looking when you pop, basically if your head is turned anywhere in part towards the direction you're going your attempt is likely to suck, you should be looking down on your nose instead (or your tail if you're one of those; wherever your popping foot is) with your lower body slightly orientated inwards and ready to anticipate the spin. That way the trick feels and controls a lot like a frontside nollie, just riding backwards and the weight shift mid jump (potentially to slide around the end of the trick) becomes a lot more natural.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Mean salto on April 23, 2022, 09:51:28 AM
Same boat had a terrible switch back 1 since forever. I just accepted I can't really nosebone it/ do the see saw motion. Can't really help get better at them but if youre like me and its all one big move and even kinda rocket there's a couple things I noticed you can use it for. Over hips works good because your already matching the angle of the bank. Switch back 1 to reg nose Manny because your already sorta setup for it. So if you don't figure out how to get them how you want at least there's those two little benefits.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: goodatmeth on April 23, 2022, 12:48:42 PM
I felt like switch bs flips are way easier and I learned the bs 180 by mostly ignoring it (after struggling with it) and just doing a lot of switch bs flips. Now I can do it pretty well without putting much work into it. Just flip it. It's probably a lot about getting used to do anything switch bs.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: tzhangdox on April 23, 2022, 02:01:43 PM
Mine are consistent and easy, but not that great on flat though I can do them into grinds and over stuff kinda better.

If you have a good frontside half cab, one thing you can try is to trick yourself into thinking that you're just doing a frontside half cab, except popping with the other foot. So lower body switch ollie (with a slight scoop if needed), but upper body is just frontside half cab. Could make it a lot less scary in your head.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: dr.prestige on April 25, 2022, 01:30:16 PM
For me it helps to have my shoulders mostly turned that direction before I pop and then let my lower body do most of the moving.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: j....soy..... on April 30, 2022, 07:09:18 AM
Popping foot key is toe is on toe side corner or toe side pocketÖ..other foot you hang your heel off a fair amountÖ.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 30, 2022, 08:03:57 AM
I have trouble with that direction.

So Iím going to do this this week too.

First film back 80s in both stances.

Look for differences with your body.

Then weíre going to fine tune that shit. Try to mirror our regs.

Then itís work out time.

Weíre going to do switch back 80 push twice do nollie frontside 80 push 3 X and do switch Ollie late back 80.

Ok?

Iíll come back once I get all the win a good way and we can work on switch back 3 and nollie fronside flips.

Lmk if youíre down.

Things to look for is arm and shoulder issues and back foot placement.


Iím going to work on this rn while I got time
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Ok on April 30, 2022, 10:53:19 AM
Mine are completely different from regs: I switch ollie late back 180. I think I do this for a variety of reasons, but cowardice is the issue, it feels safer to do em like that.
For me I need to work on switch powerslides, which are really hard.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: backside_frontside on April 30, 2022, 04:39:54 PM
I have my shoulders turned almost 90 before I even pop. Iím almost looking backwards/at my tail.

Iíll have to try looking at my nose more.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 01, 2022, 06:46:10 AM
I have majer issues with this trick.

It feels so bad. I think I didnít really practice it because switch back 80 nose manny is wack compared to back 80 fakie manny
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Dimitrov on May 01, 2022, 09:17:17 AM
Roll up parallel to a small curb learn to do switch 90į Ollie into nose stall front side. Once you have mastered this take it to the flat ground for the 180 when you do the 180 focus on your shoulders following through the whole way
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: willphansbiggestfan on June 05, 2022, 09:41:17 AM
Start the day off with a bunch of switch Ollieís to get timing
Jump straight up
Scoop through your body
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 05, 2022, 10:05:39 AM
Start the day off with a bunch of switch Ollieís to get timing
Jump straight up
Scoop through your body

This is expert advice for switch practice. I used to start my day off with switch Ollies in the late 90s. I should have stuck with it but whatever. Itís never too late right.

The problem with my sw back 80 is itís not fluid.
It doesnít feel like one trick kinda.

I can switch front nose but away from the ledge I feel like I canít get beyond 90 in one smooth motion.

I been working on it too. Nollie front 80 feels better but I canít pop a nollie like a can pop a switch Ollie or even a fakie ollie.

Anyway Iím going to go work on it tonight.

I want switch bs flip more than switch tre and Iíve put that dream to bed soÖ


I almost wanna cry about that no bullshit.


Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: skatebruh on June 08, 2022, 08:42:18 AM
Don't give up!

Switch bs flip came much easier than I thought it would after learning switch flip.

It felt easier to get the full 180 learning switch bs flip than when I learned switch bs 180.

It was still hard, just much easier than I expected after switch flip felt mind-bottlingly hard to learn.

If you can get switch flip down, switch bs flip is not far away.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: DaveFuck on June 08, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
get a good pop, turn your shoulders ( can whip them around) and make sure to dip your front (starting back) shoulder when you do the trick a little bit, then roll away clean
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Mark Renton on June 09, 2022, 07:20:33 AM
They work for me if I put my front foot at an angle similar to that for a bs flip in my stance, way into the board, just a little bit below the front bolts.

It's such a good trick that I'm trying to get better at, weirdly enough learning sw bs heels was ridiculously easy, and even sw bs flips were not too hard. Not saying I'm that consistent with these two but they always made more sense than sw bs 180.
At least when approaching them and breaking them down.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: whale on June 09, 2022, 11:32:00 PM
Any tips on ss bs flips?
I can ss bs 180, switchflip, nollie fs flip no problem but just canít control the flip or the rotation on a switch bs flip
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Mark Renton on June 10, 2022, 01:15:30 AM
Any tips on ss bs flips?
I can ss bs 180, switchflip, nollie fs flip no problem but just canít control the flip or the rotation on a switch bs flip

Try it same way as one in your stance but flicking foot is wayyy more on the edge of the board.

If you got nollie pro flips it shouldn't be a problem!
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: whale on June 10, 2022, 03:23:41 AM
^thatís my logic too, it shouldnít and Iíd prob be happy even with crappy onesÖ
But it just doesnít computeÖ
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: silhouette on June 10, 2022, 09:17:36 AM
I want switch bs flip more than switch tre and Iíve put that dream to bed soÖ

Let's learn switch backside flips together. I never really did that trick besides a couple of bad ones just to tell myself I could do it forever ago, and my frontside nollie flips could use some work, I can either do them like shit most of the time or try one that's actually good and then it becomes complete RNG. I'm breaking in a new deck and shoes these days skating quite a bit of flatground and wouldn't mind going through the struggle of sorting that one out and finally bother learning good switch backside flips because I think that trick is sick. Been in love with doing switch backside 180's for a while too so sounds like a good challenge. You down to motivate each other back and forth with little reports on how things go? Not PM'ing you because maybe more people could join in too.

P.S.: let's agree to disagree with switch backside 180 into nosemanny, I think that's a super sick trick.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 10, 2022, 09:31:22 AM
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I want switch bs flip more than switch tre and Iíve put that dream to bed soÖ
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Let's learn switch backside flips together. I never really did that trick besides a couple of bad ones just to tell myself I could do it forever ago, and my frontside nollie flips could use some work, I can either do them like shit most of the time or try one that's actually good and then it becomes complete RNG. I'm breaking in a new deck and shoes these days skating quite a bit of flatground and wouldn't mind going through the struggle of sorting that one out and finally bother learning good switch backside flips because I think that trick is sick. Been in love with doing switch backside 180's for a while too so sounds like a good challenge. You down to motivate each other back and forth with little reports on how things go? Not PM'ing you because maybe more people could join in too.

P.S.: let's agree to disagree with switch backside 180 into nosemanny, I think that's a super sick trick.

I do love that trick

Shane did one so nice lately with nollie fs flip out.

Itís just that if you take away the flips it usually easier to nose manny vs the fakie manny. Adding the nollie fs flip kinda levels the difficulty.

Iím definitely down to practice sw back 80s and sw bs flip tonight after the parking garage closes.

Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: whale on June 17, 2022, 01:56:05 AM
Iíll start the game

https://i.imgur.com/KOds9ds.mp4

I tried a few this morning and here are results.
I donít turn my left shoulder and I need to get it to flip more under me.
Last one felt ok, but after seeing it, still too much revert.
Any pointers?
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: silhouette on June 17, 2022, 02:09:35 AM
Can't give pointers yet since I have yet to go through my own sw backside flip improvement workshop phase but damn, not sure if you realize but that's potentially a pretty stellar switch shifty kickflip you can learn from what I see here, if you can't do those already.

Your issue does look like the right shoulder isn't taking the lead mid trick like you're yourself observing (I suspect this will be my problem too) but at the point you're at you look like you could basically choose either way to revert the trick and learn two for the price of one, that's sick.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: whale on June 17, 2022, 03:22:23 AM
Can't give pointers yet since I have yet to go through my own sw backside flip improvement workshop phase but damn, not sure if you realize but that's potentially a pretty stellar switch shifty kickflip you can learn from what I see here, if you can't do those already.

Your issue does look like the right shoulder isn't taking the lead mid trick like you're yourself observing (I suspect this will be my problem too) but at the point you're at you look like you could basically choose either way to revert the trick and learn two for the price of one, that's sick.
Good lookin out man!
Never even thought about that trick!
Tried a couple, possibly could work.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: tzhangdox on June 17, 2022, 04:40:37 PM
Looks real good, try to swing your head around as early as possible so that its looking completely forward in the direction you're rolling away and your shoulders, torso, and lower body should be able to catch up and come around better.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on June 18, 2022, 05:40:39 AM
That's almost EXACTLY where I'm at with them. Get them round most of the way. Land and then turn the rest but can't get the pivot in one motion. My brain just straight up refuses to let me turn the last 30 degrees. It's so infuriating.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: fakie nollie on June 18, 2022, 02:09:14 PM
That way the trick feels and controls a lot like a frontside nollie, just riding backwards and the weight shift mid jump (potentially to slide around the end of the trick) becomes a lot more natural.

That is some solid advice
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: silhouette on June 19, 2022, 08:16:29 AM
I've tried a grand total of three (!) switch backside flips today, compared to way back when I had done a few shit ones for the sake of psychologically claiming them it seems a lot easier to form now, probably because I have a much better switch flip these days than I had at the time (so while one doesn't necessarily need a good switch flip for switch frontside flip, switch backside flip seems to call for them). On all three of them I could get the form and unlike what I expected my problem wasn't the shoulders (it seems like doing more switch backside 180's recently has helped) but the weight distribution in the air, basically my body wants to keep going and catch the wrong truck, I think mostly because I'm still doing them flat and they don't fold at once, so I need to work on flicking through the board from that position a bit more.

I did a few frontside nollie flips for the first time in forever today though thanks to this thread. Again having a good nollie flip really helps for this one, it's essentially the same thing all the way down to the foot positioning and then you just turn the shoulders and trust.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: j....soy..... on June 26, 2022, 07:40:18 AM
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That way the trick feels and controls a lot like a frontside nollie, just riding backwards and the weight shift mid jump (potentially to slide around the end of the trick) becomes a lot more natural.
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That is some solid advice

Couldnít disagree with you moreÖ..switch back 180 is itís own trickÖ.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Sifter on August 05, 2022, 04:05:46 PM
I've been working on these cunts again.  I started off looking almost completely backwards before popping and trying to throw my body around to my head but this way feels super easy to shoot out and land heavy on the kick

Sometimes can get the switch ollie then rotate and that way feels more controlled but I think my problem is I don't have a consistent head, shoulder, foot setup in mind so they often feel random

It's stopped raining after weeks here so I'm definitely having a go today at em
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: SwitchBigspinflipBoneless on August 08, 2022, 11:28:49 AM
Easily the scariest way to spin. Any time I properly commit to landing one I slip out and full body slam.

Any tips?  I can do all the other 180s so really want this to add to the collection
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Sifter on August 08, 2022, 05:12:12 PM
https://imgur.com/a/NOoHmqA

Sorry for shaky cam but that's the best I've got for now

Back foot in the middle of kick definitely helped.  I think someone mentioned that here?  I'd been trying them with back foot right in the pocket and most of the time would get a dud pop or primo.

Looking forward before popping felt impossible.  I have to look backwards.  Hopefully helps a bit


Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: SwitchBigspinflipBoneless on August 09, 2022, 05:29:53 AM
@sifter that is actually well helpful, especially the way you look around for the landing. Going to watch that a few hundred times,  practice them and report back 👍🏻
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on August 28, 2022, 10:08:02 AM
finally got the phone out and did some self filming at the park. I've noticed I struggle to keep my popping foot on my board with the 180s, I have to focus really hard on sliding my foot up the board and even then it doesn't work much. with the flips it will mostly not come all the way around, if I try and spin further the board tends to get stuck to my foot and fold over. I also seem to always land with my weight on the heel side of my board. So many problems, I think it might just be years of wrong muscle memory that I can't unwire. Landed a few shite ones, on my way to try some more now so any tips welcome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcLtq1Lox9I
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 28, 2022, 11:06:33 AM
I put my back foot a tad towards the pocket, front foot right on or behind the front bolts with maybe 1/2" between my toe and the rail. The key for me is the shoulders and hips. Right before I pop I like to almost weight my heels, then my toes like a carve as I pop and the hip swing brings the board around.
Title: Re: Switch BS 180s
Post by: wrinkletusk on August 29, 2022, 02:55:29 AM
Thanks to this thread I've been putting some effort into learning these.  Last session I got em just shy of 180.  The key, for me anyway, is making a conscious effort to bring the back knee up after the pop.  Exaggerated pre-wind and making sure my head and shoulders rotate fully during the 180 are the building blocks but the back leg lift was the last piece of the puzzle.  I reckon I should have these down in the next few sessions.