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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Ronnie Rodriguez on June 12, 2022, 06:10:23 PM
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Sup pals. Been wanting to do this for a bit, kind of a catch all thread for people to talk about their madness and to hopefully get some clarity / be talked down from making foolish decisions. We'll see.
Anyways, here is my current situation:
Been skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?
Worth mentioning I skate my boards for kind of a long time (3-5 months).
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Man. I’m gonna be a bad influence and say try the popsicles now it’s an option financially. If you like it sell the eggs or keep for later. If you don’t like it keep skating your current setup and keep it as back up.
Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
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Man. I’m gonna be a bad influence and say try the popsicles now it’s an option financially. If you like it sell the eggs or keep for later. If you don’t like it keep skating your current setup and keep it as back up.
Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
It can still be negative. There is time. I think I might need to be told that a popsicle isn't going to up my flatground game at 39.
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Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
We'll acknowledge that our gear madness is not getting us anywhere, tone it down for a while, then our minds will wander again.
There is no cure, just varying degrees of gear madness, dependent on how good our last session was.
Been skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?
If you're thinking it (and can afford it), then go for it, but don't go full ham on it. Just get the deck and reuse whatever trucks you have available. Then if you don't like the deck pass it to a friend or sell it off, at least you'll know without getting overly invested in the "ecosystem" (new trucks, bushings, wheels).
That's the only way you'll be able to scratch the itch and be at peace.
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@Ronnie Rodriguez you are the best
@Murge we could do positivity via negativity? Because my treflips are not banging, and I have a stack of equipment…
I really like the idea of this thread.
I too keep equipment for a really long time, like some decks are years and years old.
I might be the most spazzed out as far as my radical swings in what I think works. I just bought 2, 8.5 completes, aaaaaaand now I’m skating a small 8.125 on low 8” trucks. So I’m full of shit.
I’ve used different setups, and the hope and hype from these setups, to get out and skate. I’ve said this before, but I’m basically just doing a really really bad impression of Chico Brenes, where I try my 5 (max) flip tricks on different boards.
A huge part of my gear madness comes from me being extremely susceptible to various skate media, and then the trends of the local youths. The other two main components are: aging, and anxiety. Aging: been skating off and on for many many years. I’ve taken long breaks, but my first board was a variflex twister, and I probably peaked before yeah right. Setups were different then, smaller, so sometimes (more than sometimes) I confuse my lack of ability for an equipment related issue, and also wistfully remember ‘shredding’ on something far different than what I use today…and the anxiety is pretty easy: life is wild, I’ve got more life behind than in front, and skatelife wise, I mean shit, hard to say how long I’ll be able to roll. So instead of wigging out about global apocalypse, or my lack of adult financial success, I attempt to get better at skateboarding from behind a screen, via some alchemy. I mean, it’s embarrassing to write out, but there it is.
So most of my (many) posts in this thread are gonna be like: ‘ohmygod guys did you see Wade’s part? Should I get accel slims!?’
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My entire gear life is foolish decisions. I'm 49 and i KNOW that if i just had the right setup I would be able to land trick X just one more time before I get injured for the 832nd time and never land it again.
Spending another $50 on a new deck or set of trucks or $40 on wheels so I can land it that ONE MORE TIME is worth it.... right? Right?
So I think I have about 9-12 setups. I really don't know how many I have.
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Being injured or otherwise not able to skate enough is the worst. That’s when my madness goes off the charts. Last time I was properly injured I went from 1 setup & 1 cruiser to 8 total. For the last year or so I’ve been too busy with life and sprained my back a while ago so I couldn’t really skate for 2 months. I have 8 setups again and a huge stack of decks & a whole bunch of other stuff. Shoes I still have probably 40 pairs.
I guess the logic is that if I can’t get stoked on skating I try to remedy that by buying skate stuff that’ll get me stoked. The stoke from that is rather superficial though and won’t last for long and is nothing compared to the stoke I get from skating. Although having a setup you’re stoked on is very important for me. But it’s not like I end up disliking my old stuff either. I like them all. I just have too many of them.
Truck madness I’ve been cured from though. Only Aces for quite a few years now. Classic 44s, 55s, 66s and AF1 55s, 60s & 66s depending on the deck. Changing between truck brands was fucking me up way too much. It wasn’t fun anymore.
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Being injured or otherwise not able to skate enough is the worst. That’s when my madness goes off the charts. Last time I was properly injured I went from 1 setup & 1 cruiser to 8 total. For the last year or so I’ve been too busy with life and sprained my back a while ago so I couldn’t really skate for 2 months. I have 8 setups again and a huge stack of decks & a whole bunch of other stuff. Shoes I still have probably 40 pairs.
I guess the logic is that if I can’t get stoked on skating I try to remedy that by buying skate stuff that’ll get me stoked. The stoke from that is rather superficial though and won’t last for long and is nothing compared to the stoke I get from skating. Although having a setup you’re stoked on is very important for me. But it’s not like I end up disliking my old stuff either. I like them all. I just have too many of them.
Truck madness I’ve been cured from though. Only Aces for quite a few years now. Classic 44s, 55s, 66s and AF1 55s, 60s & 66s depending on the deck. Changing between truck brands was fucking me up way too much. It wasn’t fun anymore.
If a therapist ask me the source of my gear madness, I will point to the COVID-19 pandemic of 2020. Being locked up at home with nowhere to skate will drive a person insane with gear madness.
I'd say step 1 to getting over the madness is to fix truck madness since they change the feel of the deck the most of all components. Do all your fucking around with bushings and pivot cups and promise (lol) yourself to stick to just 1 brand of truck. Then going between decks shapes and sizes will be less of a surprise since you've already locked 1 aspect of the setup (trucks). If you've spent enough time skateboarding you should be able to go between 1/16" difference in decks without issue.
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@OK I could think of worse choices of elder skatespeople to emulate. I think Chico is a shining example of just doing what we love because we love it.
@Ronnie Rodriguez I echo what others have said. If it's within your financial means, cop the popsicles while holding onto your shaped decks. But if not, keep what you can/must and "KonMari" what you don't "need."
Depending on where you're located and what brands you like to ride, there may or may not be another product shortage or price hike headed your way.
I think for some items - wheels, bushings/trucks, and decks - it will be inevitable. Simply because the petro oligarchs are having a field day with raising prices and profits. So having stock, like many of us do, will help us weather the potential shortages. Though prices will never go back to what they were before.
Also, sussing out what trucks work for us is seriously a big accomplishment, especially given the amount of finite adjustments we tend to discuss ad nauseam here. So if you've got that figured out, as someone else said, that's one major variable that doesn't have to contribute to the madness.
(https://i.ibb.co/hZRH3kq/wallpapersden-com-we-are-all-mad-here-cheshire-cat-1536x2048.jpg)
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Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
We'll acknowledge that our gear madness is not getting us anywhere, tone it down for a while, then our minds will wander again.
There is no cure, just varying degrees of gear madness, dependent on how good our last session was.
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Been skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?
If you're thinking it (and can afford it), then go for it, but don't go full ham on it. Just get the deck and reuse whatever trucks you have available. Then if you don't like the deck pass it to a friend or sell it off, at least you'll know without getting overly invested in the "ecosystem" (new trucks, bushings, wheels).
That's the only way you'll be able to scratch the itch and be at peace.
Totally agree. On good sessions I'm satisfied with my setup, but after a bad session I immidiately think of what I could change regarding trucks/bushings/wheelbase etc. I also occasionally just have to check if the gras really isn't greener; I mount some old thunder trucks, like the low weight, hate the steering, and go back to ace or indy :P
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I'm much more happier when I have one setup. I don't have to decide which one to skate that day. And I progress more when I stick with one. But to each their own.
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I (fortunately) have never reached the zone of attempting to tweak my gear choices and chase the madness to maximize my skating skills - I feel like I’d drive myself insane doing that cause I overanalyze things to begin with. I feel like my gear madness comes more from chasing the excitement of trying something new and staying stoked on skating.
I seem to keep evolving with what I compulsively buy and want to try too - when I was younger it was skate shoes, when I fully got back into skating as an adult it was different brands and sizes of trucks, lately since I’ve been skating shaped boards it’s been decks. I hate breaking in new trucks and have fully accepted that I should just skate Indys but I’ve been out of control with deck purchases for sure. Instagram certainly doesn’t help seeing so much new product 24/7 especially at local shops.
I say, as long as you can limit you madness to one category of gear and keep getting some usable life out of the other components (i.e. buying tons of decks that all work with the same size/brand trucks, buying tons of wheels but getting some mileage out of your decks/trucks…) go for it. For me personally, if I try to run multiple set ups simultaneously though I just confuse the hell out of myself. So having way too many decks and skating one at a time seems to work.
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Man. I’m gonna be a bad influence and say try the popsicles now it’s an option financially. If you like it sell the eggs or keep for later. If you don’t like it keep skating your current setup and keep it as back up.
Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
It can still be negative. There is time. I think I might need to be told that a popsicle isn't going to up my flatground game at 39.
Oh my comment was directly pointed at myself I just spent a day looking for wheels because I convinced my self I need classics to get 360 flips down. Ha.
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I'm much more happier when I have one setup. I don't have to decide which one to skate that day. And I progress more when I stick with one. But to each their own.
I recently had the same epiphany. My quiver was getting out of hand given the fact that I have limited opportunity to skate these days anyway. So I disassembled all but two and feel much better about it. Plus now I have a stockpile of spare parts I can mix and match if I feel like making slight adjustments.
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Also I thought this was gonna be a more negative thread like we was just gonna tell each other new wheels won’t make 360 flips easier and stuff like that.
We'll acknowledge that our gear madness is not getting us anywhere, tone it down for a while, then our minds will wander again.
There is no cure, just varying degrees of gear madness, dependent on how good our last session was.
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Been skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?
If you're thinking it (and can afford it), then go for it, but don't go full ham on it. Just get the deck and reuse whatever trucks you have available. Then if you don't like the deck pass it to a friend or sell it off, at least you'll know without getting overly invested in the "ecosystem" (new trucks, bushings, wheels).
That's the only way you'll be able to scratch the itch and be at peace.
Totally agree. On good sessions I'm satisfied with my setup, but after a bad session I immidiately think of what I could change regarding trucks/bushings/wheelbase etc. I also occasionally just have to check if the gras really isn't greener; I mount some old thunder trucks, like the low weight, hate the steering, and go back to ace or indy :P
I tend to agree but also I recently had a run of bad sessions and I took a look at my setup - razor tailed deck, axled trucks with blown bushings, seized bearings, ancient wheels ~5mm off of where they started - and I bought some new shit and it actually made a huge difference.
I skate two completes and the thing about having one or two setups (rather than an arsenal and a ton of spares) means I actually wear out my components and then feel totally justified in purchasing new ones. No guilt buying new Ace to replace my two year old 144s with 90% of the axle showing.
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I'm much more happier when I have one setup. I don't have to decide which one to skate that day. And I progress more when I stick with one. But to each their own.
This is the way. Disassemble everything extraneous and focus on one or two. I was creeping up to four completes a few years ago and I realized that was madness. Even two seems excessive, even though I feel like I can fully justify both.
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The madness can be a bit overwhelming sometimes, but it has led me to some improvements over the years. Or at the very least, it has narrowed my scope of general preferences a lot.
Really had no idea about WB and what i was looking for until the madness took hold after returning to skateboarding after like 5 years and everything felt wrong on my skateboard. Now i know 14.4 - 14.5 is my sweet spot.
Pro tip, if you're feeling the madness kick in, try just tightening/loosening your trucks first. Temps affect bushings, temps fluctuate, therefore so do your bushings. Has saved me a few times. I know not all madness is truck related, but most of mine is centered around trucks.
I'm pretty much where i want to be with my wheels im about to try some 54mm 101a classic f4s, and if those dont workout, im getting back on my 56mm 99a classic f4s. Might try some 56mm 101s eventually, but you get the picture, im within a small rage of parameters now, thanks to years of madness and tinkering. my decks/bearings/grip/hardware have been "solved" lol.
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So most of my (many) posts in this thread are gonna be like: ‘ohmygod guys did you see Wade’s part? Should I get accel slims!?’
As good as he made them look, no, you should not. Those shoes are built with the quality of something intended to be disposed after a couple uses. Shitty materials, shitty insole, floppy ass midsole. Are well constructed, mid-weight cupsoles too much to ask for? (apparently yes)
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Sup pals. Been wanting to do this for a bit, kind of a catch all thread for people to talk about their madness and to hopefully get some clarity / be talked down from making foolish decisions. We'll see.
Anyways, here is my current situation:
Been skating nothing but shaped boards (pretty much) for about two years. I'm kind of over it and want to go back to just skating a popsicle, but I've got a couple unskated eggs and another shaped board I just set up. Do I just suck it up and skate through the stuff I have or do I get a popsicle? Am I making too big of a deal about it?
Worth mentioning I skate my boards for kind of a long time (3-5 months).
Why not keep the shapes going + a popsicle or 2. I like shapes also and usually run an 8.6 and 8.75 popsicle as well. + a couple 8.5's for techy.
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My madness is to the point where I have a Google doc listing the exact specs of all my 4 boards and all their parts and specs of those parts. I also keep a list of tricks I've done and want to learn. I'm an OCD list maker til the day I die.
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https://www.dlxsf.com/keep-it-rolling/
cleanse thyself of sin
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I have 5 boards set up right now I'm feeling shitty about it. Fully committed to commit by the end of 2022.
On the plus side I have committed to the following. Ace trucks, BBS decks, and F4 wheels.
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Nice to see the shared sentiment of passing along our extra gear acquired in times of madness. Hooking someone up always feels nice.
And getting trucks for free when you need them feels way better than getting half your money back on some shit you're not crazy about. So if you can manage it, and someone is in need, just hook them up. might end up helping someone else down the line, you know, pay it forward and all that.
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Got hoarder genetics. Not going into all the therapy but also obsessive about having "enough" or having a full set so my madness often results in me having a ton of the same thing or like say I want a pair of dickies will I get brown or black? Ahhh fuck it I'll get ten pairs so I have every colour.
Key to happiness(for me at least) can be to just simplify as much as possible. I know I like coke the best so why fill my fridge with every soda. Giving stuff away also helps (as others have mentioned) I know I'll pretty much never buy Nike's again because years ago I have some guy a massive jersey bag full of dunks, prods, Omar's etc and now can't bring myself to spend real money on stuff like that again.
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I started skating a 8" popsicle with ventures and 51mm wheels again and got back nollie flips the same day.
The big change is that I limited myself from doing nothing but slappies. If I want to be able to have good ollies, it means doing it at every opportunity.
My fun shapes weren't fun for what I wanted to be able to do with my old legs.
YMMV.
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I used to be pretty bad with trucks and stuff but thankfully never went down a bushing rabbit hole or wheel rabbit hole. I don't even really adjust my trucks unless the temps change and make them feel looser.
I think the #1 worst thing anyone with madness can do its hoard equipment or buy shit on sale. Then you end up with a bunch of stuff that you don't need and might not have ever seen. There is enough variance in decks that unless I really know what I am getting it's just too risky.
My recent sin is a 2nd pair of trucks, which means I have 2 boards setup that I can move wheels between and reduces commitment to ending the madness.
Setup 1 seems better for: manuals, frontside flips, quick snap, tailslides, just all around more nimble.
Setup 2 seems better for: kickflips and 360 flips, lofty snap, 180s and nollie 180s.
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I started skating a 8" popsicle with ventures and 51mm wheels again and got back nollie flips the same day.
The big change is that I limited myself from doing nothing but slappies. If I want to be able to have good ollies, it means doing it at every opportunity.
My fun shapes weren't fun for what I wanted to be able to do with my old legs.
YMMV.
Venture lo’s? I’m basically the same on 8”ish boards: was riding a setup that has 56 conical fulls and 5.2 Jo’s, and then another with forged 147s and 52s…wasn’t a lot of difference in the results.
Where my madness goes ham is wanting to, nay needing to, try something at some extreme end of the spectrum. I’ll skate it once, have ‘the best session ever’, and then never get along with it again.
I love the idea, and practice, of donating items. I often re-buy the trucks I give away. Which is super creepy.
@IpathCats thanks. I knew that was probably the case. Still might, I’ll just lie about it. But for real, a decent cupsole still kinda hard to find.
@Ronnie Rodriguez shaped boards are the cruelest of all temptations. Having one around is a great way for me to lighten up, have fun, get stoked. Can’t do em as my forever tho. Flip tricks, for me, way, way easier on 8-8.5 popsicles. Having one shaped board, one ‘regular’ setup…well that would be progress for me.
As long as I keep my expectations in line with my ever changing skate rallity, I’m generally less bummed when a setup doesn’t workout. Trying to find my ‘one forever, only setup, the last setup, the perfect truck…’ hasn’t worked for me. Yet.
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Glad to see people are posting.
For some reason I can't tag anyone, but big ups to everyone donating gear. I did a couple big clean outs recently and dropped a bunch of stuff at the local.
I actually had a decent (for me) flatground session on my shaped board today...I think maybe I just needed to get used to the smaller wheels I've been running? So the beast is sleeping for now. If I see a nice pointy-ish popsicle next time I'm at the shop, though...
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I got some hi's first, but they weren't cutting it. The lows felt more like home. I think struggling to skate heavier and oddly shaped boards with much looser trucks prior made skating the 8 feel that much easier.
Nowadays, my son's interest in skateboarding is being rekindled so it's good to have a lot of options for him to try to find what works for him. He's just surpassed my height and he's turning 14 soon. I'm his gear sherpa.
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Despite my stupid amount of hard goods, I do tend to use it all. I just don't use it until its completely cooked like I used to. I tend to stop using it while it still has life in it and I pass it on to a local organization that works with homeless youth. I like to give them completes but I don't always have trucks or bearings for them...
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I think the distribution and then re distribution of used skate product really does help the skateboard world go round.
When I was younger we would always scrounge and save a bit here or there, but never enough to really get much brand new stuff, but there was always someone selling something of varying degrees of wear, so that would usually be a much better alternative to riding what we had into dust and could still afford to skate a semi decent setup.
Then when I was old enough to buy my own, I would look for the best deals or whatever just to get through.
Now I guess it is absolute overkill with the amount of stuff I have, but I only buy things, both new and used, with the aim of skating them, or more so passing them on to others who want them, either through the shop or just my personal connections, so I feel like it is worth doing what I do.
Nothing I have is really that sacred, so I can setup a new board easily enough if I needed to, or lend / pass on an existing complete to anyone if the situation arises too, but I do enjoy seeing people use stuff to the point they are done with it and then I can either skate it myself or fix it to the point where it will be good for someone else to use for a while after that too.
I kind of get a kick out of skating old trucks or fixing old sets of wheels, but even old completes can still be great fun more often than not too.
In saying all that, I have definitely left my better days behind, which at some points in my life, were very difficult to deal with, but I have accepted the fact that I can still roll around and enjoy whatever it is I can still skate, so I am not really fussed by what I used to be able to do or try to achieve success in getting tricks back with specific setups, more so just do what I can when I can and if things work on any given day, then all the better for it.
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I usually skate through it or sell it at a big time loss….I deserve it.
I always have a razor tailed boards that I give out to kids who’s boards are all chipped up.
With wheels/trucks I’ll usually piece together a complete to sell on CL or give away.
I do have a quiver of about 5 set ups that I’ll move parts around.
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Glad to see people are posting.
For some reason I can't tag anyone, but big ups to everyone donating gear. I did a couple big clean outs recently and dropped a bunch of stuff at the local.
I actually had a decent (for me) flatground session on my shaped board today...I think maybe I just needed to get used to the smaller wheels I've been running? So the beast is sleeping for now. If I see a nice pointy-ish popsicle next time I'm at the shop, though...
I just hand out my lightly used stuff to homies who seem like good people at the skate park. Always feels good.
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
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I’ve been on ace classics forever. Thought i was never gonna change. Than ace came out with low hollows. I was stoked. Thought i was finally gonna make the jump to AF 1. Got em and hated em. Grind was too smooth for me compared to the classics. I got another set of classics. Fast forward 2 months later, i’m kinda annoyed that classic 44 aren’t 8.5 axel…ok no big deal. I’ll get a new set of trucks once skate through these a little more. Got an egg and the 8.38 axel is noticeably more magic carpet than normal to my previous shape. Getting more annoyed… I go to a mini ramp this week and I keep sticking on basic grinds, maybe it’s the coping, maybe it’s my trucks wearing down, but now i’m getting pissed. And now i’m back to thinking, maybe that AF1 grind wasn’t so bad after all… Now I want AF1 55 but not in hollow.
Sigh. Just amassing trucks. It was easier when the board shape and wheelbase was the constant in my set ups. Now that i’m changing boards i’m really getting the truck madness. Ugh.
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
Spending way too long to swapping stuff between setups and having 2 spare pairs of trucks in my backpack convinced me to stick to 1 setup. Was spending way too much time swapping between trucks mid-session, when that time could have been better spent getting used to my setup.
I suspect most of us are time-poor but gear-rich - all about giving myself enough time to make a decision if the gear swap was worth it. Roughly 3 sessions for a deck or 1 month for trucks (lifespan of a deck).
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
Don't set up a 2nd, 3rd; 4th, etc. setup. Make one your go to and force yourself to ride it! If you spend enough time on one you won't want to ride a different one. At least, that's what's worked for me.
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I’ve been on ace classics forever. Thought i was never gonna change. Than ace came out with low hollows. I was stoked. Thought i was finally gonna make the jump to AF 1. Got em and hated em. Grind was too smooth for me compared to the classics. I got another set of classics. Fast forward 2 months later, i’m kinda annoyed that classic 44 aren’t 8.5 axel…ok no big deal. I’ll get a new set of trucks once skate through these a little more. Got an egg and the 8.38 axel is noticeably more magic carpet than normal to my previous shape. Getting more annoyed… I go to a mini ramp this week and I keep sticking on basic grinds, maybe it’s the coping, maybe it’s my trucks wearing down, but now i’m getting pissed. And now i’m back to thinking, maybe that AF1 grind wasn’t so bad after all… Now I want AF1 55 but not in hollow.
Sigh. Just amassing trucks. It was easier when the board shape and wheelbase was the constant in my set ups. Now that i’m changing boards i’m really getting the truck madness. Ugh.
If it's been a while since you've tried Indy's, you might wanna give them a shot. As someone who has tried everything, I can tell you for certain, that Indy's grind the best. The forged hollows and titanium hollows should save you some weight too and put you pretty close to ace height.
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
Spending way too long to swapping stuff between setups and having 2 spare pairs of trucks in my backpack convinced me to stick to 1 setup. Was spending way too much time swapping between trucks mid-session, when that time could have been better spent getting used to my setup.
I suspect most of us are time-poor but gear-rich - all about giving myself enough time to make a decision if the gear swap was worth it. Roughly 3 sessions for a deck or 1 month for trucks (lifespan of a deck).
This is the final level of gear madness haha
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
Spending way too long to swapping stuff between setups and having 2 spare pairs of trucks in my backpack convinced me to stick to 1 setup. Was spending way too much time swapping between trucks mid-session, when that time could have been better spent getting used to my setup.
I suspect most of us are time-poor but gear-rich - all about giving myself enough time to make a decision if the gear swap was worth it. Roughly 3 sessions for a deck or 1 month for trucks (lifespan of a deck).
This is the final level of gear madness haha
This is the extent of my madness, I don't mess with bushings, pivot cups or washers, at most Bones bushings.
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
Spending way too long to swapping stuff between setups and having 2 spare pairs of trucks in my backpack convinced me to stick to 1 setup. Was spending way too much time swapping between trucks mid-session, when that time could have been better spent getting used to my setup.
I suspect most of us are time-poor but gear-rich - all about giving myself enough time to make a decision if the gear swap was worth it. Roughly 3 sessions for a deck or 1 month for trucks (lifespan of a deck).
This is the final level of gear madness haha
This is the extent of my madness, I don't mess with bushings, pivot cups or washers, at most Bones bushings.
....yea....me neither, that would be crazy right?
*shoves box of bushings, washers, and pivot cups under the bed*
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
Don't set up a 2nd, 3rd; 4th, etc. setup. Make one your go to and force yourself to ride it! If you spend enough time on one you won't want to ride a different one. At least, that's what's worked for me.
This is how I do it too. Eventually all your tricks will work on that one setup. Just stay committed to it.
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How does one commit to a single setup? As I mentioned I've got 2 assembled and it's like 18/20 things work well on each one, neither is perfect. But I ain't trying to continue wasting mends energy on madness.
Don't set up a 2nd, 3rd; 4th, etc. setup. Make one your go to and force yourself to ride it! If you spend enough time on one you won't want to ride a different one. At least, that's what's worked for me.
For sure 101% committed the 1 setup.
Until I have a shit session and the madness creeps in.
But in all honesty I remind myself that I'm dealing with fractions of inches and millimeters differences between gear, stop being a baby and just adapt to whatever is under my feet. Adapting to your environment (and setup) is part and parcel of skateboarding anyway.
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I have an unreasonable amount of everything. The best I could do is narrow my quiver to 3. My regular 8.5 popsicle, a 10" shaped frog board to mess around on, and a cruiser. I still have a enough to set up another 2 completes but I'm gonna try to stay committed and just use up that gear to replace parts of what I already have set up. If my shaped board breaks, I'm planning on just running with the popsicle and the cruiser set up.
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An area where my madness goes buck: skate well (for me) on a smaller setup, small wheels, lo(w) trucks. I try and take that baby board into the ‘real world’, and have a ratshit time: skating super slow, feet getting banged off the deck by compression cracks, nothing working. Need bigger softer wheels 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫 next thing you know I’m on an 8.5 with late 2020 Kader sized wheels, rolling, and can ollie, but maximum frustration levels kicking in.
Basically what I’m trying to say is I want the best of all worlds and that’s not how it works.
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Why not a middle ground setup with 8.25 deck and build it for ATV use?
Mid height trucks and skinnier 54mm wheels but with a wider contact patch to compensate for a harder smaller wheel.
Basically what I’m trying to say is I want the best of all worlds and that’s not how it works.
Ok that explains it.
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Oh no, you’ve got the reasonable solution…I also think my weird under functioning pre frontal cortex wants the jolt of setting up ‘extreme’ setups, or things further on the ends of the spectrum. And that is ridiculous.
My attempt over the next month: 1 setup, and if I start to lose it, maybe change the wheels…and add risers. Or not. But defined gonna switch the wheels around…so not exactly one setup, at all. But, one deck, one pair of trucks is gonna be a game changer.
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But, one deck, one pair of trucks is gonna be a game changer.
That's a first step, then go up or down 0.125" up or down in deck size if you want more flippery or stability. I think that's where the odd sizes like 8.125 / 8.38 / 8.625 come in handy: when you want a compromise size without having to swap trucks. Lots of guys I know who started off in the 7.75 days move up to 8.0 when they first come back and eventually settle on 8.125 / 8.25 as they pack on the pounds or get taller with age.
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This thread has me inspired to set up a summer solstice sacrifice to the skate gods and perhaps donate some gear to those who need it more than I.
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But, one deck, one pair of trucks is gonna be a game changer.
That's a first step, then go up or down 0.125" up or down in deck size if you want more flippery or stability. I think that's where the odd sizes like 8.125 / 8.38 / 8.625 come in handy: when you want a compromise size without having to swap trucks. Lots of guys I know who started off in the 7.75 days move up to 8.0 when they first come back and eventually settle on 8.125 / 8.25 as they pack on the pounds or get taller with age.
Totally agree. 8.125, on 8 trucks, is a similar board to truck ratio, as 7.75 deck on 7.63 (5.0/129) trucks. Busentiz, suciu , both do the 8.38 on 148 (I think). Makes a lot of sense
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Take it from a guy who's tried damn near everything the market has to offer...
If you're struggling and hitting a wall progression-wise it's almost certainly not your gear. It's your form. If you consistently aren't landing something it's a lot more likely you're doing something fundamentally wrong than your wheelbase. I did this for a long time and even though I knew in the back of my head the problem was that I was being a poor craftsman and blaming my tools, I thought some day I'd step on some magical combination of wood and metal and be able to skate like I was 16 again. Didn't work. Still doesn't. Never will.
Skate what you like. If you want to get better then practice more on what you like.
Written while literally sitting on a box of boards I haven't skated.
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Take it from a guy who's tried damn near everything the market has to offer...
If you're struggling and hitting a wall progression-wise it's almost certainly not your gear. It's your form. If you consistently aren't landing something it's a lot more likely you're doing something fundamentally wrong than your wheelbase. I did this for a long time and even though I knew in the back of my head the problem was that I was being a poor craftsman and blaming my tools, I thought some day I'd step on some magical combination of wood and metal and be able to skate like I was 16 again. Didn't work. Still doesn't. Never will.
Skate what you like. If you want to get better then practice more on what you like.
Written while literally sitting on a box of boards I haven't skated.
The goat.
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I've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.
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I've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.
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Why not a middle ground setup with 8.25 deck and build it for ATV use?
Mid height trucks and skinnier 54mm wheels but with a wider contact patch to compensate for a harder smaller wheel.
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Basically what I’m trying to say is I want the best of all worlds and that’s not how it works.
Ok that explains it.
This is what happened with me. I went nuts trying bigger and smaller shit, until I eventually figured out that an 8.25" with a pair of Ace or Indy trucks gave me 95% of what I needed at all times. And whatever is that 5% I'm missing, I'm not going to find it switching back and forth between completes every time I skate a different spot.
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I've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
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I've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
I took 20 years off skating, and when I came back I noticed that almost all the guys my age were skating Indy. I thought they were un-enlightened and that they were just skating Indy because thats what they had been skating forever.
So I became "enlightened". I bought Thunder, Ace, MiniLogo, Krux, Royal... and yes, Indy. The Krux and Royal sucked. But the Thunder, Ace and MiniLogo all did SOMETHING better than Indy. Indy was just the shitty "default" truck.
It turns out, default is good.
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I've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
I know a few people who recently faced this reality. Indy has been around forever, they know what they're doing, and the Stage XI is the best truck they've ever made. It works well enough that SoCal mega ramp chompers and Brazilian ledge gods skate functionally identical trucks.
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I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
I'm kind of the other way around. I tried a bunch of shit when i was younger, then i tired indys after skating for like 6-7 years. I only skated indys for the longest time. Eventually, I basically stopped skating for a few years, and when i got back into it again more seriously, i got another pair of indys, they were ok for a while, but something just felt off. I basically just chalked it up to me being rusty for a year or so, then i really started getting into my setup after that and started trying other brands again. Really had no recollection of how different the other trucks were, i just always thought indys were the best. The variety of riders on indy is def a testament to their versatility. GT, mason silva, and tom Knox all ride 149s, crazy if you think about it.
I have been thoroughly enjoying my thunder team hollow 148's lately. First thunders ive ridden in like 15 years. They have their tradeoffs, but the turn, popfeel, and pinch really suit my style of skateboarding. The bushings seem kinda shitty though, mine are splitting after a handful of sessions. The baseplate issue is kind of annoying, but im adjusting my slide tricks and they are getting better. Nothing will ever match an indy grind though, just gotta accept that. Lurpivs were pretty damn close though.
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Another disappointed Indy guy here (altho I've been riding thunders for a while I know I'll probably be back at some point). Between 2004-2009(whenever thunder finally made a 149) I must of converted twenty people over to indys. like trust me Indy are better than thunder and venture then trust me 149 is better than 139.dont know why I think I just hated all the neon pattern trucks people rode. Now I can't even say what's better about them. It's certainly not the image. In my head they just manual better but then look at all the Manny guys on thunder and venture.
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I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
I'm kind of the other way around. I tried a bunch of shit when i was younger, then i tired indys after skating for like 6-7 years. I only skated indys for the longest time. Eventually, I basically stopped skating for a few years, and when i got back into it again more seriously, i got another pair of indys, they were ok for a while, but something just felt off. I basically just chalked it up to me being rusty for a year or so, then i really started getting into my setup after that and started trying other brands again. Really had no recollection of how different the other trucks were, i just always thought indys were the best. The variety of riders on indy is def a testament to their versatility. GT, mason silva, and tom Knox all ride 149s, crazy if you think about it.
I have been thoroughly enjoying my thunder team hollow 148's lately. First thunders ive ridden in like 15 years. They have their tradeoffs, but the turn, popfeel, and pinch really suit my style of skateboarding. The bushings seem kinda shitty though, mine are splitting after a handful of sessions. The baseplate issue is kind of annoying, but im adjusting my slide tricks and they are getting better. Nothing will ever match an indy grind though, just gotta accept that. Lurpivs were pretty damn close though.
There is a small piece of me deep down inside that wants to like thunders but I need my baseplate to get as destroyed as possible on noseslides and tailslides for me to fully bond with my trucks. I did some good skating on the thunder team hollows (I think) a couple years ago - the hollow ones with the cast baseplate.
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Another disappointed Indy guy here (altho I've been riding thunders for a while I know I'll probably be back at some point). Between 2004-2009(whenever thunder finally made a 149) I must of converted twenty people over to indys. like trust me Indy are better than thunder and venture then trust me 149 is better than 139.dont know why I think I just hated all the neon pattern trucks people rode. Now I can't even say what's better about them. It's certainly not the image. In my head they just manual better but then look at all the Manny guys on thunder and venture.
Ventures are the best manny trucks imo, Kind of a weird manny point compared to other trucks, but man once you get into a manual good, it felt like you could go for fucking miles.
There is a small piece of me deep down inside that wants to like thunders but I need my baseplate to get as destroyed as possible on noseslides and tailslides for me to fully bond with my trucks. I did some good skating on the thunder team hollows (I think) a couple years ago - the hollow ones with the cast baseplate.
yea those are the team hollows. I do miss having a big ol baseplate to grind down, it def made some tricks easier. But the wider stance on thunders does more for me as a tall guy. If i went back to indys i def couldnt skate anything under 14.5 wb. and even on that, my stance would be narrower than on thunders.
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I dunno, the new Primitive video demonstrates that you can get tech and Manny juuuuuust fine on Indys.
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I dunno, the new Primitive video demonstrates that you can get tech and Manny juuuuuust fine on Indys.
Here's how I think (obviously this isn't 100% true but this is a madness thread) with Indy I can hold a manual or nosegrind or 5-0 really low pretty comfortably. I can be a half inch from dropping into 5050 but it's not a problem then if I want to pop out early or try a flip out I have a ton of leverage. If I've kept my speed it's not too different from just rolling/5050 and trying the trick.
Then with thunders I have to hold it in a pretty specific spot if I go outside it's pretty much either going to drop to 5050 or taildrag or drop out of manual etc. I feel like it's better if you have the transition grinds style and can pop out sort of like a crooked where you use the spring in the bushings or lever off the side of the ledge. I suck at this and can't even explain it properly.
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I dunno, the new Primitive video demonstrates that you can get tech and Manny juuuuuust fine on Indys.
I think this is true, buuuuuuut if I’m being bitchy:
Yes pros can skate whatever. Yes some absolutely legendary skating of all types happens on Indys. As it relates to the primitive video: Carlos, and Tiago both skate mids now, no? A truck that’s kinda trying to chase some venture/thunder qualities in pop/pinch. Tre isn’t super tech. Imo there is a reason some of the tech guys skate what they do. It works for that.
I mean Yuto spun a flawless (padless) 540 on vert, with what looked like 5.2 lo’s and 50s. I can’t drop in on the local pool, and wouldn’t dream of doing so on a vertical ramp, but if there was the old gun to head, I wouldn’t be reaching for his setup.
That super tech flippery Jamie Griffin skates indys I think, as does monteiro, Joslin, French Joslin…
All I’m trying to blab on about is pros can use whatever,trucks have unique geometries that help for certain things more than others.
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I dunno, the new Primitive video demonstrates that you can get tech and Manny juuuuuust fine on Indys.
I think this is true, buuuuuuut if I’m being bitchy:
Yes pros can skate whatever. Yes some absolutely legendary skating of all types happens on Indys. As it relates to the primitive video: Carlos, and Tiago both skate mids now, no? A truck that’s kinda trying to chase some venture/thunder qualities in pop/pinch. Tre isn’t super tech. Imo there is a reason some of the tech guys skate what they do. It works for that.
I mean Yuto spun a flawless (padless) 540 on vert, with what looked like 5.2 lo’s and 50s. I can’t drop in on the local pool, and wouldn’t dream of doing so on a vertical ramp, but if there was the old gun to head, I wouldn’t be reaching for his setup.
That super tech flippery Jamie Griffin skates indys I think, as does monteiro, Joslin, French Joslin…
All I’m trying to blab on about is pros can use whatever,trucks have unique geometries that help for certain things more than others.
Something else to add is that the Venture riders are pretty niche with their skating (PRod excluded) and Indy riders are a bit more all terrain. That's evident with the Primitive team. Tre, Carlos, Kyonosuke, Tiago, and Spencer all get tech but they also jump/barge spots on Indys, too. Whereas almost app Venture guys are strictly tech. Again, PRod excluded because he's GOAT.
Indys making Forged Hollows and Titaniums considerably drop the "heavy" weight feeling that Indys were known for. Some Forged Hollows I had before were almost on par with a heavier Thunder. And that says something since those lighter Indys are incredibly manageable to get tech/manual with.
I love my Indys and for the skating I do/am known to do, some people are shocked I run some Indys when they think I'd better on Venture or Thunder, since I do like to get tech on ledges/manuals/quick feet type shit. I've been on Indy so long, it's home.
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My point isn't that one truck is better than another for X type of skating and obviously pros are great, but the key point is that any brand can work great if you give it some patience. Spencer was on Venture and dropped them to buy Indy's, rides the cast version. So does Gustav and the Sour dudes. Before Mids Carlos rode Cast Hollows, but then you have the more gnar pool dudes and GT on the same truck.
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I wasn't feeling my new Sci Fi the first few sessions then a few things clicked today. Left my 8.38 Baker at the park and probably going to sell the spare set of trucks. I literally am back on the same setup as a few months ago but at least I learned how to make a lot of other decks work 90% well enough for me.
Only madness left are shoes and bushings but I'm not sure I'll fuck with either
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I wasn't feeling my new Sci Fi the first few sessions then a few things clicked today. Left my 8.38 Baker at the park and probably going to sell the spare set of trucks. I literally am back on the same setup as a few months ago but at least I learned how to make a lot of other decks work 90% well enough for me.
Only madness left are shoes and bushings but I'm not sure I'll fuck with either
Aye!! Recovery!
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I wasn't feeling my new Sci Fi the first few sessions then a few things clicked today. Left my 8.38 Baker at the park and probably going to sell the spare set of trucks. I literally am back on the same setup as a few months ago but at least I learned how to make a lot of other decks work 90% well enough for me.
Only madness left are shoes and bushings but I'm not sure I'll fuck with either
Aye!! Recovery!
Never proclaim recovery pre-maturely, relapses are real and the Gear Gods are relentless
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I wasn't feeling my new Sci Fi the first few sessions then a few things clicked today. Left my 8.38 Baker at the park and probably going to sell the spare set of trucks. I literally am back on the same setup as a few months ago but at least I learned how to make a lot of other decks work 90% well enough for me.
Only madness left are shoes and bushings but I'm not sure I'll fuck with either
Aye!! Recovery!
Never proclaim recovery pre-maturely, relapses are real and the Gear Gods are relentless
BIG FAX
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I've relapse before for sure. In this case it was more that I've found I can skate these shapes all just fine with a few adjustments here and there and I wanted to go with what was feeling best overall. I found the 8.38 Baker to be a super fun setup, but my Sci Fi edged it out because it feels a bit better with tired legs and slightly more nimble on transition and manuals, which are 2 things I'm trying to progress.
I would gladly go back to the other shape in the future at some point. I think the key is just being OK with the decision and also not stockpiling decks. I've got another Carpet that is the same shape as this Sci Fi. Oh and for some reason local shops havent had any Baker 8.38 and I'm not interested in getting old stock from Zumiez.
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Found a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.
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Found a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.
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Found a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.
Thanks. I should mention that I skated Ventures pretty much exclusively for 14-ish years so Irealize what I might be getting myself into. I also know a huge part of it is nostalgia and that I should give the Royals a chance (I do like to be able to surf out of my shitty landings), but in my head the lower hight and longer WB made flipping my board easier. I'm pretty tall and I find too short a board/WB and flick happens too early.
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Found a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.
Thanks. I should mention that I skated Ventures pretty much exclusively for 14-ish years so Irealize what I might be getting myself into. I also know a huge part of it is nostalgia and that I should give the Royals a chance (I do like to be able to surf out of my shitty landings), but in my head the lower hight and longer WB made flipping my board easier. I'm pretty tall and I find too short a board/WB and flick happens too early.
Sounds like the thunders or royals would be right up your alley. If you want a lower truck with a longer wb, that still has some surf.
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Found a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.
This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
Wheelbase and shape is where I struggle. Longer WB feels better riding fast, cruising or slappies but my flip tricks suffer. Oddly I downsized from an 8.375 twin to a regular 8.125 and everything feels...fine...both 14.25"WB
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I've been working on trying to find that "middle ground" setup that works everywhere. I don't skate my 8.0" much these days. I do regularly skate my 8.75" at one park that is all transition, but have skated 8.3ish boards there ok.
Yesterday i showed up to the more "street" park with 3 setups.
Creature 8.38" - 14.5 wb with Ace AF1 55s and 54mm F4 101s
Real Ishod TT 8.3" - 14.4 wb with Indy 144 hollows and 53mm STF 103
Powell 8.25 flight (that measures 8.38) - 14.25 wb with Thunder 149 Ti and 54mm F4 99s.
The wheelbase / truck combos make the axle to axle very similar, and the Creature has the steepest tail, then the Real, and the Powell is the mellowest.
Started out on the Creature/Ace setup. I like it in transition, but my timing is fucked up with ollies. I just don't get the same pop. Struggled on this setup.
Pulled out the Powell/Thunder. Felt more at home with anything that required ollies. Not bad in transition.
Then pulled out the Real/Indy. Started landing a bigger percent of my flip tricks. This may be the way.
I may be an Indy guy even though it seems like the default truck for all old farts like me. Convenient as I have 144s, 149s and 159s already. I will try the Indy Ti 149s on both the Creature / Powell setups. I may have some Thunder Ti and AF1s to trade soon.
Indy has a very do it all geometry in my opinion.
My next session, just taking one. Multiple setups had been the routine for awhile. I’m only trying the same tricks over and over.
I spent my entire skate lifetime fighting the fact that I actually really like Indys. Now I’ve reached the acceptance phase and finally started only skating Indys. I really think Indy 159s are the overall perfect truck. You can run them basically on 8.38’s all the way up to 9 inch popsicles and on pretty much any shaped board.
I took 20 years off skating, and when I came back I noticed that almost all the guys my age were skating Indy. I thought they were un-enlightened and that they were just skating Indy because thats what they had been skating forever.
So I became "enlightened". I bought Thunder, Ace, MiniLogo, Krux, Royal... and yes, Indy. The Krux and Royal sucked. But the Thunder, Ace and MiniLogo all did SOMETHING better than Indy. Indy was just the shitty "default" truck.
It turns out, default is good.
We're the Royals you tried the redesigned ones? I really love mine. Almost better than my Indy's.
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Found a shrink-wrapped 8.25 blank in my basement, so I figure I should skate that and see how that feels. I'd love to be able to just walk into a shop, see a board I like, and get it...as opposed to being like, "I need to stock up on X or else".
For whatever reason it is also making me want to try other trucks, but one thing at a time. I've been pretty consistently Ace 44 classic for whatever they fit on and then Indy 159 for bigger stuff, but I've also been on slappymania for most of that time. I recognize rationally that getting some Ventures is not going to make my renewed interest in skating flatground more fruitful, but the pull is there.
You are going to hate ventures if you're an indy/ace guy, unless you feel like you turn way too much on those trucks and really need stability. if you're itching for something different, or specifically a snappier popfeel try thunders or those new royals. they are def more stable/less surfy than indy/ace, but not nearly as rigid as a venture.
This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
Wheelbase and shape is where I struggle. Longer WB feels better riding fast, cruising or slappies but my flip tricks suffer. Oddly I downsized from an 8.375 twin to a regular 8.125 and everything feels...fine...both 14.25"WB
the new royals have a lighter pop feel/shorter WB than thunders right? That's my main draw to thunders the snappy pop and longer wb, otherwise i think i would have given the Royals a shot. I think the royals look a bit better than the team hollows i have. Hanger is more sleek.
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Have anyone done the measurments of how much tightning down the kingpin nut, mess with the geometry? I've been running Thunders with the blue 95du bushings so that I barely need to tighten them, and therefore maintain the "stock" geo.
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.
same wb and weight roughly as cast thunders, but they pop lighter? how does that work? I'm loving the popfeel on these thunders recently, and have been just dealing with the baseplate issue, im getting better with it, but if i cant have the best of both worlds, why not?
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.
same wb and weight roughly as cast thunders, but they pop lighter? how does that work? I'm loving the popfeel on these thunders recently, and have been just dealing with the baseplate issue, im getting better with it, but if i cant have the best of both worlds, why not?
I meant to say the turn like Indy's, pop feel is around the same as Thunder
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.
same wb and weight roughly as cast thunders, but they pop lighter? how does that work? I'm loving the popfeel on these thunders recently, and have been just dealing with the baseplate issue, im getting better with it, but if i cant have the best of both worlds, why not?
I meant to say the turn like Indy's, pop feel is around the same as Thunder
gotcha, thanks. I was really enjoying these thunders, yet here i am again, considering other trucks.
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Gunna have to mute this thread to not peak my madness further with this Royal talk.
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Just a heads up, both my ikp 144 and 149 standard new royals are +3.05.
Pop feel, in my opinion, is nowhere near thunder, feels even lighter than my thunder titaniums on a team baseplate.
The new royals are basically just lighter indy mids
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Congrats to everyone who turned this thread around and sent the insecure out there to buy yet another new pair of trucks.
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Congrats to everyone who turned this thread around and sent the insecure out there to buy yet another new pair of trucks.
Gear Madness Enablers Thread
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Gear Madness Enablers Thread
When Beavis and Butthead go to AA
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Gear Madness Enablers Thread
When Beavis and Butthead go to AA
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When Beavis and Butthead go to AA
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This is why Royals work for me (even stock). I get just enough of everything to be sated. Thunder height/pop, less wheelbite than Thunders, stable like vent/thunder, more carvey turn than thunder/vent but not as deep/fast as ACE or as deep as Indy, but faster than indy and more stable than both. I can't pick any negative to them, they just work and feel great.
14.25"WB
wait wait wait, just noticed this. i thought the consensus in the royal thread was that they had a lighter pop feel, and were closer to indy than thunder? but still snappier than indy. If these pop like thunders, im almost definitely going to try them. what was the wb difference royals vs thunders?
Royal IKP / Standard / Ultralights - +3.15"
Thunder Cast - +3.15"
Thunder Forged - +3.25"
They pop light like an Indy and are around the same weight as a Thunder standard, 52mm so they wheelbite less than Thunder.
On my 8.75 royal ultra lights I measured +3.125"
And yes I fucking love them, go buy some ya lunatics
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Congratulations, we have failed the task successfully!
Went back from Ace to Royal, french kiss. Ace AF1 Lows were way too twitchy for my liking.
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Let's be real, the thread pretty much started out with people telling me to ignore my stack to buy a popsicle.
Anyways, this is a no-judgement, no-shame zone where people can talk about this stuff.
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I'm still getting mixed reports on royal pop feel. Not jumping ship yet. There's still hope.....
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This thread is an industry psy-op
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Funny how you guys just mentioning royal make me wanna buy a venture t……
This new Royal sounds like the best thing since Theeve….
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After few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again!
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I'm not buying any of this talk that the new Royals are quality. CK1 is no longer skating Royals since he got out and that's all I need to know to continue steering clear of them.
Side note: how anyone did anything substantial on obstacles, like CK1 did on Royals baffles the fuck out of me. Those trucks were hot garbage.
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There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
Someone sticky this as the first post.
"It's not your gear, it's you"
(mostly)
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After few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again!
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
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After few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again!
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
i went back to one setup a couple months ago. i had already narowed my trucks down to the same ones on all setups and it was really just diffrent decks shapes that kept me going.
i feel i ended up shooting myself in the foot cause i spend half my sessions reajusting to difrent setups instead of just progressing. aswell as feeling i needed to decide what deck i needed for what spot and stressing myself out overthinking before even starting.
i really feel a lot better again being back to one setup and just going out without thinking bout anything.
it all started when i got into shaped boards.. still curious bout a lot of shapes so im afraid i'll still be hoarding decks at times cause youll never know when or if a shape will come again. but still i've narowed the shapes ill buy down to only the most versitile ones since i only got one setup i'll need to use for all kinds of skating now.
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Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
Agreed, no harm in experimenting, but at some point might make sense to reflect a bit. I had pretty severe ankle sprain last fall, took months to get it right and it seems I still lack the last mile of confidence, fearing sudden spikes of ankle pain. Formerly would've been hoarding gear and reading Shoes & Gear daily. This time I was really scared if I could ever get back on board properly, especially after one of my best "old dude" summer seasons in 2021. Decided it's time to simplify and try to get what's still obtainable session wise. It's not that serious and it's definitely not about the gear any more... But it has still been so fun to skate!
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Got hoarder genetics. Not going into all the therapy but also obsessive about having "enough" or having a full set so my madness often results in me having a ton of the same thing or like say I want a pair of dickies will I get brown or black? Ahhh fuck it I'll get ten pairs so I have every colour.
Key to happiness(for me at least) can be to just simplify as much as possible. I know I like coke the best so why fill my fridge with every soda. Giving stuff away also helps (as others have mentioned) I know I'll pretty much never buy Nike's again because years ago I have some guy a massive jersey bag full of dunks, prods, Omar's etc and now can't bring myself to spend real money on stuff like that again.
I think this is where I fall on the “gear madness” spectrum. I’m not really trying to tinker around with different sized boards, or switching truck brands, or wheel durometers. The pandemic shortage just made me into a skate hoarder. I liked skating 8.12 eagles, so I had to get every single one I could find because there weren’t as many available. That mentality has continued since things returned to normal for skate production. I now like to have enough backups in case what I like is harder to find or isn’t being made anymore. My setup doesn’t change that drastically
When I buy shaped boards it’s not to find some new edge that’s missing in my skating. It’s because I think they look cool and can probably be fun to skate. There’s a lot of cool looking shaped boards from a lot of cool companies. I had to stop myself from ordering anymore because there’s no way I could ever realistically skate every single one I want to. I overestimated how much and how hard I would skate a backup/“fun” board. I’m trying to limit what I get until I’ve skated through most of my collection. It might take a couple years
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Got hoarder genetics. Not going into all the therapy but also obsessive about having "enough" or having a full set so my madness often results in me having a ton of the same thing or like say I want a pair of dickies will I get brown or black? Ahhh fuck it I'll get ten pairs so I have every colour.
Key to happiness(for me at least) can be to just simplify as much as possible. I know I like coke the best so why fill my fridge with every soda. Giving stuff away also helps (as others have mentioned) I know I'll pretty much never buy Nike's again because years ago I have some guy a massive jersey bag full of dunks, prods, Omar's etc and now can't bring myself to spend real money on stuff like that again.
I think this is where I fall on the “gear madness” spectrum. I’m not really trying to tinker around with different sized boards, or switching truck brands, or wheel durometers. The pandemic shortage just made me into a skate hoarder. I liked skating 8.12 eagles, so I had to get every single one I could find because there weren’t as many available. That mentality has continued since things returned to normal for skate production. I now like to have enough backups in case what I like is harder to find or isn’t being made anymore. My setup doesn’t change that drastically
When I buy shaped boards it’s not to find some new edge that’s missing in my skating. It’s because I think they look cool and can probably be fun to skate. There’s a lot of cool looking shaped boards from a lot of cool companies. I had to stop myself from ordering anymore because there’s no way I could ever realistically skate every single one I want to. I overestimated how much and how hard I would skate a backup/“fun” board. I’m trying to limit what I get until I’ve skated through most of my collection. It might take a couple years
I’m in this category. I found what works well and stuck with it. I ended up breaking a board I loved so after i saw they weren’t offered in the next drop I ended up searching to find all I could. Ended up with 14 or so of the same deck and I’m almost through that stack now. Kind of wish I hadn’t hoarded them all since I got a few others after that that I want to ride but can’t until the stockpile is finished. The plus side is when I set up a new deck there’s no adjustment period.
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I’m in this category. I found what works well and stuck with it. I ended up breaking a board I loved so after i saw they weren’t offered in the next drop I ended up searching to find all I could. Ended up with 14 or so of the same deck and I’m almost through that stack now. Kind of wish I hadn’t hoarded them all since I got a few others after that that I want to ride but can’t until the stockpile is finished. The plus side is when I set up a new deck there’s no adjustment period.
Damn! I thought I was bad with 5 deluxe twin tail slicks on ice, with one setup already.
Maybe the goal of this thread should be to find the one with the worst madness, that way everyone else can point to that person to feel better about themselves.
Then the thread turns into a madness rehab thread for the guy with the worst madness, once they're cured start the process over with the person who has the second worst madness.
Rinse, wash, repeat, until we're all clean and sober from the madness and live happily ever after.
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After few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again!
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
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The above hits way too hard.
I keep my packs of wheels nearby to remind myself that I have more than I will ever need.
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After few years of varying level gear madness, gave most of my stuff away and started to converge to pretty basic and traditional setup; BBS 8.1 + 144 or 8.3 + 149, Indy titanium for my old legs, Spitfire Classic or Classic Full, 52mm.
There is lots of truth in realizing that tinkering with gear takes lot of time and money but in many cases contributes to session fun level only marginally. It can still be super fun, for some time...
My last adjustment I still do is to use Film bushings instead of stock Indy. Conical bottom bushing just gives nicer turn. Maybe... Indy conicals... It's happening again!
Yep, I haven't bought any gear in months and I feel great about it. The hobby wasn't skating anymore, it was looking at/buying gear. Actually cutting back to just skating a couple setups and concentrating on what my body is doing rather than my gear both improved my skating and made it way more fun to me.
Im not shitting on anyone who has the madness, but be honest (with yourself) about what you're doing. It's fine if you just like shopping, but it's almost certainly not helping your progression. Probably hurting it more than anything. If you want to buy my truck collection hit me up though
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/030/710/dd0.png)
The above hits way too hard.
I keep my packs of wheels nearby to remind myself that I have more than I will ever need.
Fuckin hell those bfrd hammers you highlighted cut me to the core.
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My madness only recently came up. i was the type of person who would only skate the same thing and i progressed a bunch. my madness is really only about trucks right now. thankfully all within the same brand, but still. I will say however, having the same width trucks of your board does feel noticeably more stable, especially on an egg vs magic carpet
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My madness only recently came up. i was the type of person who would only skate the same thing and i progressed a bunch. my madness is really only about trucks right now. thankfully all within the same brand, but still. I will say however, having the same width trucks of your board does feel noticeably more stable, especially on an egg vs magic carpet
That's always how it starts....
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My madness only recently came up. i was the type of person who would only skate the same thing and i progressed a bunch. my madness is really only about trucks right now. thankfully all within the same brand, but still. I will say however, having the same width trucks of your board does feel noticeably more stable, especially on an egg vs magic carpet
That's always how it starts....
Shhhh, he doesn't know yet.
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My madness only recently came up. i was the type of person who would only skate the same thing and i progressed a bunch. my madness is really only about trucks right now. thankfully all within the same brand, but still. I will say however, having the same width trucks of your board does feel noticeably more stable, especially on an egg vs magic carpet
That's always how it starts....
I think I already had my main madness phase. I went through Krux, Royal, Thunder, Venture... now I've been on Ace for 2 years. Didn't buy into the Lurpiv hype. I think im starting to do better... :-X
edit: damn after posting that I can't believe I went through that many brands of trucks :o I had the madness bad!
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In 2021 I rode Indy (forged and Mids), Venture, Thunder, brief stint on defective AF1's... definitely an embarrassing year for me.
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In 2021 I rode Indy (forged and Mids), Venture, Thunder, brief stint on defective AF1's... definitely an embarrassing year for me.
Bro…I’ve got decks that have the most heinous wheelbite marks: the bites of multiple different brands…and sizes, of trucks. Hideous. I skate alone and my face still shows the shame
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Gifted Hater said in the truck vid with Ben Degros, that Indy's make you not think about ur trucks. And I do agree, except that they could be lighter, so I bought a pair of hollows! Now I should be free, hopefully :D
If it wasent for slap, I wouldent care about the Thunder baseplate thingy, but now that im aware of it, its like I stick on noseslides just for pure insanity... Either way... Its just so nice to just chill on nose/tails with Indy's, not to mention the buttery grind.
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Gifted Hater said in the truck vid with Ben Degros, that Indy's make you not think about ur trucks. And I do agree, except that they could be lighter, so I bought a pair of hollows! Now I should be free, hopefully :D
If it wasent for slap, I wouldent care about the Thunder baseplate thingy, but now that im aware of it, its like I stick on noseslides just for pure insanity... Either way... Its just so nice to just chill on nose/tails with Indy's, not to mention the buttery grind.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/027/763/07B89120-B48D-45FB-AF1D-49AF6CD16790.jpg)
The internet age definitely did not help our madness, too much info is a bad thing. I wish I could be like my homie who rips has done his best skating on Tensor Alloys and stuck to 8.0 decks for over 3 years.
Indy would be the go to recommendation if I worked in a shop - strongest customer recognition among the truck brands so I wouldn't have to spend as long convincing them. But for me Royal has become the "don't worry about it" truck, great for all levels of skateboarder.
Light and nimble - great for beginners and tech guys
Turny - you aren't just living by tick tacks
52mm - mid height so you got choices for wheel sizes
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In 2021 I rode Indy (forged and Mids), Venture, Thunder, brief stint on defective AF1's... definitely an embarrassing year for me.
Bro…I’ve got decks that have the most heinous wheelbite marks: the bites of multiple different brands…and sizes, of trucks. Hideous. I skate alone and my face still shows the shame
I can't wait to notice this on someone's deck in person. Def gonna call them out, then sympathize.
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Here's a thought: progress (and fun!) comes mostly by getting on the board and skating. Messing with equipment should be a supporting function, just to remove friction so that one can skate more. It's subjective where to draw the line, but typically squeaky trucks, soggy boards and slow bearings are worth the attention. As soon as you notice after a session that you didn't think about your gear once, freeze everything and keep that as is, as long as possible. If you don't, the madness will creep in.
Worst situation is when you replace something due to wearing out, and even it should be exactly same, it's not. This has happened and it's very irritating...
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Here's a thought: progress (and fun!) comes mostly by getting on the board and skating. Messing with equipment should be a supporting function, just to remove friction so that one can skate more. It's subjective where to draw the line, but typically squeaky trucks, soggy boards and slow bearings are worth the attention. As soon as you notice after a session that you didn't think about your gear once, freeze everything and keep that as is, as long as possible. If you don't, the madness will creep in.
Worst situation is when you replace something due to wearing out, and even it should be exactly same, it's not. This has happened and it's very irritating...
It will feel normal again in no time. Hold strong soldier.
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In 2021 I rode Indy (forged and Mids), Venture, Thunder, brief stint on defective AF1's... definitely an embarrassing year for me.
Bro…I’ve got decks that have the most heinous wheelbite marks: the bites of multiple different brands…and sizes, of trucks. Hideous. I skate alone and my face still shows the shame
I can't wait to notice this on someone's deck in person. Def gonna call them out, then sympathize.
Another one is the baseplate marks not lining up especially if they tried Thunders on a deck. I got thin vinyl on Amazon to put under the baseplate to prevent this.
Thankfully I've never cared about wheels, griptape, or fine-tuning bushings. Most of my madness comes from trying to optimize for the perfect setup, realizing it might not exist, then thinking back to the good old days of an old setup and how much better it was overall. But like someone said no 2 decks are usually the same and it's best to try to spend a bit of time thinking about how to slightly adapt and make something work.
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Tried some 54mm 101 f4 classics after being on 56mm 99s for a while. I swapped to thunders and wanted a smaller harder wheel to help ease the baseplate issue. I'm really enjoying them, but i know they will be too hard for me at certain spots, and definitely during the winter. Am i about to have winter tires for my skateboard? i think so. Is this madness, or is this mastery? Who am i? What am i?
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I've pretty much settled on a preferred deck and trucks size (even though I still have a couple shaped boards to play with), but lately I've been obsessing over wheels. The right durometer to handle crusty ditches without feeling too slow on smooth concrete, the right size to avoid wheelbite as a flabby 40+ without running risers without being too small to roll over detritus, the right shape, etc.
I don't like the madness.
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I've pretty much settled on a preferred deck and trucks size (even though I still have a couple shaped boards to play with), but lately I've been obsessing over wheels. The right durometer to handle crusty ditches without feeling too slow on smooth concrete, the right size to avoid wheelbite as a flabby 40+ without running risers without being too small to roll over detritus, the right shape, etc.
I don't like the madness.
What trucks are you on? how much do you weigh (dont have to answer)? how loose do you like your trucks? Are you more transition or street oriented? Or do you just cruise mainly?
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
For what it's worth I'm typically a Vans guy but I've found this to be true among a handful of brands. Got some Lakais, Nikes, Cons, Emericas and even non skate NBs that feel like this.
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I've pretty much settled on a preferred deck and trucks size (even though I still have a couple shaped boards to play with), but lately I've been obsessing over wheels. The right durometer to handle crusty ditches without feeling too slow on smooth concrete, the right size to avoid wheelbite as a flabby 40+ without running risers without being too small to roll over detritus, the right shape, etc.
I don't like the madness.
What trucks are you on? how much do you weigh (dont have to answer)? how loose do you like your trucks? Are you more transition or street oriented? Or do you just cruise mainly?
AF1 55s, one thread showing, I weigh 210, mostly skate transition I guess? Ditches and bank spots, curbs here and there, skateparks when it's not triple digits. I suck though.
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Tried some 54mm 101 f4 classics after being on 56mm 99s for a while. I swapped to thunders and wanted a smaller harder wheel to help ease the baseplate issue. I'm really enjoying them, but i know they will be too hard for me at certain spots, and definitely during the winter. Am i about to have winter tires for my skateboard? i think so. Is this madness, or is this mastery? Who am i? What am i?
Rotating tires is good shit. If you can get your set up dialed and just rotate wheels for different terrain/ weather, why not? That's the level-of madness I aspire to limit myself to.
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
For what it's worth I'm typically a Vans guy but I've found this to be true among a handful of brands. Got some Lakais, Nikes, Cons, Emericas and even non skate NBs that feel like this.
Same, I have low volume feet that have index toe longer than big toe. If my feet are cold I fit a 9.5 but if they swell it's too tight and Vice versa with a 10. Vans and NB seem the best, Nikes less so.
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
AF1 55s, one thread showing, I weigh 210, mostly skate transition I guess? Ditches and bank spots, curbs here and there, skateparks when it's not triple digits. I suck though.
I'd get the hard Ace bushings if i was you, and some 56mm f4s with a wider contact patch (conical or radials). either 99 or 97a. if youre still wheelbiting, get the classic shape.
Rotating tires is good shit. If you can get your set up dialed and just rotate wheels for different terrain/ weather, why not? That's the level-of madness I aspire to limit myself to.
dont wanna jinx it, but i feel like im nearing this point.
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I'd get the hard Ace bushings if i was you, and some 56mm f4s with a wider contact patch (conical or radials). either 99 or 97a. if youre still wheelbiting, get the classic shape.
I've considered the hard bushings, but I like the stock ones. Probably gonna avoid 56mm wheels though, that a little bigger than I'd like. 52-54mm feels like the sweet spot.
Good call on Classics though, I don't know why I never considered that.
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I've considered the hard bushings, but I like the stock ones. Probably gonna avoid 56mm wheels though, that a little bigger than I'd like. 52-54mm feels like the sweet spot.
Good call on Classics though, I don't know why I never considered that.
You can run classics a bit bigger without wheelbiting as much as other wheels since they curve so much on the edge. the classics jump up in width at 56mm, i wouldnt recommend 54mm classics for crusty stuff. Sounds like the stuff you like to skate lends itself more to larger wheels too. i understand not wanting to ride risers, but if youre just ripping ditches and curbs, i would deff suggest a 56mm at least and risers as needed.
I got away with 56mm classics with no risers on forged indys which are 53.5mm tall, aces are 52mm but dont wheelbite as quickly due to the turn. I was running hard bushings though, and im lighter than you.
lots of variables to consider, but given your preferences i would think about considering larger wheels and maybe a small riser. I feel like larger wheels are faster too, so that could address your speed issue as well. I feel like a 56-58mm 99a or 97a would really suit you.
narrow wheel/contact patch = less wheelbite
wider wheel/contact patch = plow through crust easier
find your balance.
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Ugh u right u right
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.
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Ugh u right u right
lol, TRUST ME i've thought about this and spent $ on this
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk
So one of my chillers actually are Blazers that are half a size up and I find them reasonably comfortable. They're a tad longer than my TTS Vans, but not by much. Those might be my control group to see if this extra length stuff is all in my head.
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Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk
So one of my chillers actually are Blazers that are half a size up and I find them reasonably comfortable. They're a tad longer than my TTS Vans, but not by much. Those might be my control group to see if this extra length stuff is all in my head.
Chiming in to say that I have been so so so intense about getting the ‘correct’ fitting shoe…and what I thought was correct, was not. Said it before, but I played several sports where tight shoes were encouraged, and did the same with skate shoes. No. Fucked my feet up. It takes some getting used to, but I HIGHLY recommend going to the larger size, if one is on the fence. I have a narrow heel, and then long creepy toes with a wider forefoot, and yeah, it’s dumb. A shoe that doesn’t slip in the heel, cramps the toes. What I’ve slowly figured out: let the heel slip, use a ‘joggers loop/lace’ make sure the toes have enough room.
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I don't sticker my decks anymore.
I built a deck with Indy and Bones and the corresponding stickers. Shortly thereafter I was on Thunder and Spitfire.
Never again will my board be besmirched with a logo of something that could change by next session.
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk
So one of my chillers actually are Blazers that are half a size up and I find them reasonably comfortable. They're a tad longer than my TTS Vans, but not by much. Those might be my control group to see if this extra length stuff is all in my head.
Chiming in to say that I have been so so so intense about getting the ‘correct’ fitting shoe…and what I thought was correct, was not. Said it before, but I played several sports where tight shoes were encouraged, and did the same with skate shoes. No. Fucked my feet up. It takes some getting used to, but I HIGHLY recommend going to the larger size, if one is on the fence. I have a narrow heel, and then long creepy toes with a wider forefoot, and yeah, it’s dumb. A shoe that doesn’t slip in the heel, cramps the toes. What I’ve slowly figured out: let the heel slip, use a ‘joggers loop/lace’ make sure the toes have enough room.
Be well
This is excellent advice. I used to squeeze myself into shoes that were too small because I didn't like the toe overhang (dumb I know) and I broke several toes in a short period. I am sure it was related. Now I used slightly too big shoes and skate wider decks... way better on the feet.
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Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
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Looking down at 3 sets of F4s and a few packs of NFG / Creative urethane wheels, and I'm itching to try some F4 Classics despite swearing off them.
I don't sticker my decks anymore.
I built a deck with Indy and Bones and the corresponding stickers. Shortly thereafter I was on Thunder and Spitfire.
Never again will my board be besmirched with a logo of something that could change by next session.
Getting the right sticker job is too stressful for me, but ONE DAY I'll find the perfect spot for this bag of stickers I've accumulated.
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Sticker if a deck before setup or adding one after it's been skated is bad luck.
I was thinking about it today and why I'd wanna try other trucks. It's basically memories of a good session or a few tricks that might have felt better than usual. I've been on my current trucks for 6 months other than a sesh with thunders once before giving them away. If done everything I can do on em and learned/improved so it's weird a fading memory would cause the madness to creep.
And here I am looking at some brand new Royals, when I still haven't really pinned down my own deck preferences. I've never really enjoyed any steep decks and do like some of the mellower BBS so I'm not sure what I'd gain by switching.
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Sticker if a deck before setup or adding one after it's been skated is bad luck.
I was thinking about it today and why I'd wanna try other trucks. It's basically memories of a good session or a few tricks that might have felt better than usual. I've been on my current trucks for 6 months other than a sesh with thunders once before giving them away. If done everything I can do on em and learned/improved so it's weird a fading memory would cause the madness to creep.
And here I am looking at some brand new Royals, when I still haven't really pinned down my own deck preferences. I've never really enjoyed any steep decks and do like some of the mellower BBS so I'm not sure what I'd gain by switching.
If you can't even make up a reason, I would probably just chill haha.
.....those royals have me curious too though lol.I hear the royals pop a little lighter and don't grind quite as nice so I'm not gonna be swapping the thunders anytime soon. Thunders/ventures made me realize how much i benefit from wide wb trucks. And the turn/grind is way better on thunders than ventures, so I'll just suck it up and deal with the thunder baseplate issues. I was an indy/ace guy for years, I'm skating much better and consistently on the thunders, wish I tried them sooner.
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Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
This is a real thing.
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Sticker if a deck before setup or adding one after it's been skated is bad luck.
I was thinking about it today and why I'd wanna try other trucks. It's basically memories of a good session or a few tricks that might have felt better than usual. I've been on my current trucks for 6 months other than a sesh with thunders once before giving them away. If done everything I can do on em and learned/improved so it's weird a fading memory would cause the madness to creep.
And here I am looking at some brand new Royals, when I still haven't really pinned down my own deck preferences. I've never really enjoyed any steep decks and do like some of the mellower BBS so I'm not sure what I'd gain by switching.
If you can't even make up a reason, I would probably just chill haha.
.....those royals have me curious too though lol.I hear the royals pop a little lighter and don't grind quite as nice so I'm not gonna be swapping the thunders anytime soon. Thunders/ventures made me realize how much i benefit from wide wb trucks. And the turn/grind is way better on thunders than ventures, so I'll just suck it up and deal with the thunder baseplate issues. I was an indy/ace guy for years, I'm skating much better and consistently on the thunders, wish I tried them sooner.
I didn't skate them too long but so far I wasn't stoked on the grind it's basically Venture quality but I've read they're fine after being broken in more and having the inner exposed. Way too loose stock have like 2 threads showing and pop feel is hella weird coming from Indy.
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This is precisely the type of statement that triggers my madness. I’m stuck in a preference spiral between Indy and thunder. No end in sight.
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Long ago I tired out a ton of different gear, and found my "holy grail" set-up. I then rode the same decks, trucks, wheels, etc. over and over. Much later, I got bored with my set-up...Boredom started my Madness. Boredom, novelty, curiosity, and just a good-old fashion love of new skate gear lit a Madness flame that didn't go out for awhile. I started trying different WBs, trucks, wheel shapes/sizes, etc. I believe it is good to occasionally test your assumptions, if only to prove they still hold true. And guess what? They did. My "grail" set-up was still indeed just that. The Madness went away, or rather, like Pennywise the Clown, or the Ring of Power, it just went dormant, only to later come back with new vigor.
Then I broke my leg/ankle. I could not skate for a year. Once cleared to skate again, I had to relearn everything. It took me two weeks to ollie up a 4" curb again. My leg/ankle would never be the same. My body now moved differently before. The Madness saw an opening, and knew it's time had come. Your body does not function the same way it used to, therefore, you might now be better served by a different set-up to accommodate new-found limitations. The Madness roared back to life, stronger and more pervasive than anything I had ever known.
Eventually, I found myself saying things like;
"Thunders are not going to have a better base plate now that you are trying them for the 3rd, 4th, or 5th time."
"A 14" wheel base still feels too cramped no matter if it's on an 8.06" or an 8.1" deck."
"Did you really enjoy your time at curb comparing the nuanced feels of tailslides on 6.5" vs. 6.56' tail, or would you rather have been just skating the way you would have been without Madness at the session?"
I began to hate the time, effort, emotional investment, and money that the Madness demanded of me. Rather than "just skating," I was skate-testing gear so at some point in the future I could be "just skating" once I figured out what gear I really like the best. As this was happening, I was also starring realizing something else; my ankle, despite the fact that it would never be the same, would be "good enough." I was also narrowing down the gear I liked, yet again. And lo-and-behold, what did I find myself riding? The same "holy grail" set-up. I believe it is good to occasionally test your assumptions, if only to prove they still hold true. Test them enough, and the Postulate-assumption becomes a Theorem of existential reality. And now I knew what that reality was--the same one it had always been. Since, the Madness has gone dormant, for now.
My Grail:
DLX 8.25/14.38
144 Forged (Ti or Hollow)
F4 Classics 53*
92a Indy cylindrical (blue ones)
Super Swiss 6
MOB
7/8" Allen
*101a, 99a, and 97a all have their own proper time, manner, and place. Hell, even 80HDs are useful sometimes.
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Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
This is a real thing.
It’s the source of my madness and the only cure is more cowbell! Or just skating more.
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Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
This is a real thing.
It’s the source of my madness and the only cure is more cowbell! Or just skating more.
It's not a cure (barely even a treatment) but this is another reason why all my stuff now is pretty different. So I have a 7.75 and an 8.75 at the same time but I'm not swapping to a 7.8, 8 etc. I'm definatly the person who opens a can of coke halfway thru a cup of coffee tho so I'm hyper vigilant with my gear madness these days.
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Rather than "just skating," I was skate-testing gear so at some point in the future I could be "just skating" once I figured out what gear I really like the best.
Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
Logging in to echo these sentiments. As I keep hearing the ticking clock of my years of physical fitness getting louder and louder, I've been realizing the different setups and gear adjustments are just outlets for my fear of wasting time. But instead of wasting it learning tricks on an imperfect setup, I waste tons of time setting boards up and relearning tricks, and feeling like a kook for how much gear I have. I have distinct memories of skating more and not wanting to change anything, actually being afraid to fuck up my muscle memory. Trying to get back there.
I also happened to setup an old "holy grail" setup that had worked for me maybe 5 years ago. Felt really comfortable and I decided to call it and keep myself to 1 main setup. The plan is not to change this setup until my board is razor tailed, and trucks are axeled. My goal is to post in the scrape report with a super fucked setup. 8)
Solidarity to all my gear madness afflicted brethren!
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Anyone else have the itch to buy shit when during lulls where they don't get to skate? Ive been off for a week (which is not bad to alot of people I understand) and I am scouring for 54mm radials even though I have a drawer full of perfectly fine wheels.
This is a real thing.
It’s the source of my madness and the only cure is more cowbell! Or just skating more.
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I didn't skate them too long but so far I wasn't stoked on the grind it's basically Venture quality but I've read they're fine after being broken in more and having the inner exposed. Way too loose stock have like 2 threads showing and pop feel is hella weird coming from Indy.
Yea, the baseplate is the only thing im really curious about. the grind and pop are keeping me away though.
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I feel like I have a constant gear crisis over the length/fit of my shoe. They always feel like they're too long. If I buy TTS they often feel snug on the sides of my feet and I'll still have at least a thumb's width of room between my big toe and the end of the shoe. If I go half a size up they're even longer but they're at least a little more comfortable. When they're more snug my flick feels better, but at what cost?
I feel you, i was here a while ago. Go with the bigger shoe so you dont damage your foot, and try to supplement with thicker socks if possible. Lace them tight to get them more snug. I'm a small 10, and can fit some 9 1/2s, but i was crushing my feet with 9 1/2s for a while.
You're probably right. I might try skating one of my chillers that are a half size big to see how it goes. The difference in length is pretty minimal but the small amount of clearance on the sides are nice.
also sounds like you might need to prioritize finding wider shoes, the trudgers i just tried allowed my toes to spread nicely. So many skate shoes are narrow, i assume so that they fit snug. But damn, my feet are just not shaped that way. Blazers, Last resorts, most vluc cons and NBs. I also feel like NB, es, and Lakai run a hair shorter than other brands, so maybe the halfsize up wouldnt be as bad length wise in those brands. idk
So one of my chillers actually are Blazers that are half a size up and I find them reasonably comfortable. They're a tad longer than my TTS Vans, but not by much. Those might be my control group to see if this extra length stuff is all in my head.
Chiming in to say that I have been so so so intense about getting the ‘correct’ fitting shoe…and what I thought was correct, was not. Said it before, but I played several sports where tight shoes were encouraged, and did the same with skate shoes. No. Fucked my feet up. It takes some getting used to, but I HIGHLY recommend going to the larger size, if one is on the fence. I have a narrow heel, and then long creepy toes with a wider forefoot, and yeah, it’s dumb. A shoe that doesn’t slip in the heel, cramps the toes. What I’ve slowly figured out: let the heel slip, use a ‘joggers loop/lace’ make sure the toes have enough room.
Be well
I third the go with a bigger shoe sentiment. I was stuffing my feet into half size down Last Resorts that just fit all last year cause I was nervous about skating in big floppy shoes. Just went TTS on the last pair and they’re a little too big and it has had zero negative impact on my skating and is actually way more comfortable.
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I third the go with a bigger shoe sentiment. I was stuffing my feet into half size down Last Resorts that just fit all last year cause I was nervous about skating in big floppy shoes. Just went TTS on the last pair and they’re a little too big and it has had zero negative impact on my skating and is actually way more comfortable.
just need to break them in a little more before skating and lace them tight. Doesnt look the best, but your feet will thank you.
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I third the go with a bigger shoe sentiment. I was stuffing my feet into half size down Last Resorts that just fit all last year cause I was nervous about skating in big floppy shoes. Just went TTS on the last pair and they’re a little too big and it has had zero negative impact on my skating and is actually way more comfortable.
just need to break them in a little more before skating and lace them tight. Doesnt look the best, but your feet will thank you.
I had the same issues with wearing shoes smaller. I always thought it gave me more “control “. One day I just couldn’t take the feel of claustrophobic footwear anymore. I started off frustrated with the heel slip in proper size footwear and started tying them tighter and tighter. Once I got used to the bigger (correct) size shoes I started to loosen them up little by little. Now I can buy the correct size and tie them normally and as long as they are broken in I can skate them no problem.
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I third the go with a bigger shoe sentiment. I was stuffing my feet into half size down Last Resorts that just fit all last year cause I was nervous about skating in big floppy shoes. Just went TTS on the last pair and they’re a little too big and it has had zero negative impact on my skating and is actually way more comfortable.
just need to break them in a little more before skating and lace them tight. Doesnt look the best, but your feet will thank you.
I had the same issues with wearing shoes smaller. I always thought it gave me more “control “. One day I just couldn’t take the feel of claustrophobic footwear anymore. I started off frustrated with the heel slip in proper size footwear and started tying them tighter and tighter. Once I got used to the bigger (correct) size shoes I started to loosen them up little by little. Now I can buy the correct size and tie them normally and as long as they are broken in I can skate them no problem.
Fun fact: this is actually what mid/high shoes are designed for (preventing heel slip, foot moving inside the shoe) ankle support is a myth. I too always wore shoes too small and have gone up to correct size and would suggest a mid/high shoe for people with heel slip type issues.
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Soooo update to my shoe crisis but I went to the park yesterday changing between some Sk8 Highs (tts) and some Blazer Lows (half a size big) and I just couldn't do the looser ones. They were more comfy but when I skated I felt like I was wearing clown shoes. My foot placement felt pretty off. My Sk8 Highs are still kinda narrow, but I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit and I ended up having a pretty good session. They're snug but they didn't hurt so maybe the moral of the story is that I should break in shoes before skating them?
I dunno, I kinda wish I could turn my brain off when it comes to this kinda stuff.
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I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit
Wait what
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I think breaking in shoes before skating them is essential. I always use new shoes for walking and just wearing them generally doing all sorts of stuff other than skating. Once they’re broken in properly I might consider skating them if my current skate pair are done.
I usually have at least 5 pairs of broken in shoes available to skate cuz I rarely know what shoes i want to skate next.
I only skate one pair at a time though. Skate them until they are done and only after that move to the next pair. Changing shoes between sessions is the worst change you can do IMO.
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Soooo update to my shoe crisis but I went to the park yesterday changing between some Sk8 Highs (tts) and some Blazer Lows (half a size big) and I just couldn't do the looser ones. They were more comfy but when I skated I felt like I was wearing clown shoes. My foot placement felt pretty off. My Sk8 Highs are still kinda narrow, but I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit and I ended up having a pretty good session. They're snug but they didn't hurt so maybe the moral of the story is that I should break in shoes before skating them?
I dunno, I kinda wish I could turn my brain off when it comes to this kinda stuff.
I do this 100% of the time. Skating in new shoes sucks, and it really hurts your feet, ESPECIALLY if you're in a more snug shoe size. I'll wear shoes around for like a month at least before I skate them (I'm a cupsole guy, they take a while).
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Simon Woodstock a career out of skating in clown shoes….
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Been on Indy's mostly since last Fall in one iteration and mostly liked them all. Mid kingpin issue was weird, Forged plates are fine but felt a bit too light, and been on standards for like 4 months. Wanted to try Royals for fun, but then that also got me thinking about the stability and how my flip tricks are better on Thunder, but since I like Indy's maybe I'd like the reduced height of AF1s. Full blown again.
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I think breaking in shoes before skating them is essential. I always use new shoes for walking and just wearing them generally doing all sorts of stuff other than skating. Once they’re broken in properly I might consider skating them if my current skate pair are done.
I usually have at least 5 pairs of broken in shoes available to skate cuz I rarely know what shoes i want to skate next.
I only skate one pair at a time though. Skate them until they are done and only after that move to the next pair. Changing shoes between sessions is the worst change you can do IMO.
Wearing shoes around the house before skating is something I've done for years; I give each pair about a week or so indoors, then take them outside for casual wear. Once they feel right I start skating them. Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
Only thing worse is new shoes/new grip at the same time.
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lol, TRUST ME i've thought about this and spent $ on this
Goddamnit you were right. 56 Classics fuck hard. I feel like I'm skating monster truck and plowing through everything.
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Vans AVE pro is the one and only shoe I skated out of the box with no break in period required.
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Crockett High are the same for me.
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Had a couple of sessions on the Indy forged hollows. They dident cure my switch/nollie timing, like I was hoping it would. Both my indy's are made in China, but my raws felt like they grinded smoother, oddly enough. They use a stronger metal in the hollows hangar? Gotta look more into it
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Had a couple of sessions on the Indy forged hollows. They dident cure my switch/nollie timing, like I was hoping it would. Both my indy's are made in China, but my raws felt like they grinded smoother, oddly enough. They use a stronger metal in the hollows hangar? Gotta look more into it
(https://i.imgur.com/3CSZUYT.jpg)
I think the weight of a raw truck grinds better, and Indys have the best grind…raw Indys grind the best of the best.
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Had a couple of sessions on the Indy forged hollows. They dident cure my switch/nollie timing, like I was hoping it would. Both my indy's are made in China, but my raws felt like they grinded smoother, oddly enough. They use a stronger metal in the hollows hangar? Gotta look more into it
(https://i.imgur.com/3CSZUYT.jpg)
Stick with them. Once you start getting some groves they go great. Once you’ve gotten into the axle, even better. My gripe with them is less material(duh, that’s part of why they weigh less) on the pivot area so nose/tail slides you need to be going really fast or wax where your wheels hit. Not a fan of waxing where wheels hit. I skate masonite after street sessions sometimes and don’t want to wax the mini.
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
I don’t mind breaking in shoes but I never skate thick cupsoles or anything like that. Trucks and bearings are another story though…
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Been on Indy's mostly since last Fall in one iteration and mostly liked them all. Mid kingpin issue was weird, Forged plates are fine but felt a bit too light, and been on standards for like 4 months. Wanted to try Royals for fun, but then that also got me thinking about the stability and how my flip tricks are better on Thunder, but since I like Indy's maybe I'd like the reduced height of AF1s. Full blown again.
Going through this now. Been having so much fun on Indy’s but for whatever reason AF1s keep calling me but I know I’ll enjoy the turn but hate everything else. Debating buying some Indy forged hollows since they are around a similar height of aces but they are Indy’s. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’m really trying to not let it consume me.
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Been on Indy's mostly since last Fall in one iteration and mostly liked them all. Mid kingpin issue was weird, Forged plates are fine but felt a bit too light, and been on standards for like 4 months. Wanted to try Royals for fun, but then that also got me thinking about the stability and how my flip tricks are better on Thunder, but since I like Indy's maybe I'd like the reduced height of AF1s. Full blown again.
Going through this now. Been having so much fun on Indy’s but for whatever reason AF1s keep calling me but I know I’ll enjoy the turn but hate everything else. Debating buying some Indy forged hollows since they are around a similar height of aces but they are Indy’s. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’m really trying to not let it consume me.
This is the wrong thing to say on the gear madness thread, but I switched from some very thoroughly used up Independent 144s to some Ace AF-1 44s and it was a good and easy move. I am not nearly as sensitive to small changes as some skaters here, but to me the AF-1s skate just like an Indy, only with a slightly deeper and better carve, which I really enjoy. My flip tricks, slappy tricks, ledge tricks all more or less feel the same (or the difference is small enough that I didn't notice), and the cornering in pools and bowls is improved. They are also a gorgeous truck - in my opinion the best looking truck on the market. For me, all things being equal, I think I'll be making the move entirely to Ace as I continue to wear out my Indys.
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Been on Indy's mostly since last Fall in one iteration and mostly liked them all. Mid kingpin issue was weird, Forged plates are fine but felt a bit too light, and been on standards for like 4 months. Wanted to try Royals for fun, but then that also got me thinking about the stability and how my flip tricks are better on Thunder, but since I like Indy's maybe I'd like the reduced height of AF1s. Full blown again.
Going through this now. Been having so much fun on Indy’s but for whatever reason AF1s keep calling me but I know I’ll enjoy the turn but hate everything else. Debating buying some Indy forged hollows since they are around a similar height of aces but they are Indy’s. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’m really trying to not let it consume me.
This is the wrong thing to say on the gear madness thread, but I switched from some very thoroughly used up Independent 144s to some Ace AF-1 44s and it was a good and easy move. I am not nearly as sensitive to small changes as some skaters here, but to me the AF-1s skate just like an Indy, only with a slightly deeper and better carve, which I really enjoy. My flip tricks, slappy tricks, ledge tricks all more or less feel the same (or the difference is small enough that I didn't notice), and the cornering in pools and bowls is improved. They are also a gorgeous truck - in my opinion the best looking truck on the market. For me, all things being equal, I think I'll be making the move entirely to Ace as I continue to wear out my Indys.
Damn now you got me all messed up and wanting to put AF1s back on.
I do like them (AF1s) they feel stable but with that nice deep ace turn feel. The grind is way better I love a loud grind and the ace classics were just too soft for me. I think the only thing that keeps me from keeping them on is the QC. I’m always blowing out a pivot cup or a bushings. I’m always having to tune them up before I go skate and it gets annoying. With Indy’s I just throw them on and don’t have to worry about it.
I also don’t know if it’s just me but I feel like the kingpin is crazy hard. I feel like a few times I have hit it and it catches like crazy.
I’m the same way. I can pretty much skate whatever and I’ll get used to it in about 30 min.
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I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit
Wait what
kind of a classic break in trick people do that I've never tried until now. Microwave them for about 30 seconds, walk around in them, maybe do it again. I dunno, it helped and now I'm really enjoying my shoes.
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I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit
Wait what
kind of a classic break in trick people do that I've never tried until now. Microwave them for about 30 seconds, walk around in them, maybe do it again. I dunno, it helped and now I'm really enjoying my shoes.
I don't want my wife strangling me in my sleep for microwaving shoes, I'll stick to walking around the house in them for a few days TYVM.
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I usually sprinkle nutritional yeast on them to make them taste better…..
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
The crazy thing is some people like the pro dudes or top sponos (including some spono / pro guys I know) get so used to it, they find it easier than skating older worn in product.
To live like that huh?!?
Shoes don't get a chance to get old, decks don't go through more than three layers of ply on the tail if they last that long, trucks get changed out before they get a groove in them. It is a wild ride for some people.
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
The crazy thing is some people like the pro dudes or top sponos (including some spono / pro guys I know) get so used to it, they find it easier than skating older worn in product.
To live like that huh?!?
Shoes don't get a chance to get old, decks don't go through more than three layers of ply on the tail if they last that long, trucks get changed out before they get a groove in them. It is a wild ride for some people.
Someone needs to check sponsored-skater privilege!
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I microwaved them and made an attempt to stretch them out a bit
Wait what
kind of a classic break in trick people do that I've never tried until now. Microwave them for about 30 seconds, walk around in them, maybe do it again. I dunno, it helped and now I'm really enjoying my shoes.
I don't want my wife strangling me in my sleep for microwaving shoes, I'll stick to walking around the house in them for a few days TYVM.
desperate times calls for desperate measures!
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Man, talk about madness. I slammed super hard on my thunders after riding my new polarizer, not trying to blame the setup for my shortcomings but the difference in turn really fucked me up. Then i watched this, and now i want to put my AF1's back on, someone save me. I'm just trying to remind myself that no setup is gonna make me a cruisy transition ripper like this, I'm doomed to be a flatbar/flatground/ledge guy my whole life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1N8PEq_9g
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I'm just trying to remind myself that no setup is gonna make me a cruisy transition ripper like this, I'm doomed to be a flatbar/flatground/ledge guy my whole life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1N8PEq_9g
Not with that attitude
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
This +1
I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
The crazy thing is some people like the pro dudes or top sponos (including some spono / pro guys I know) get so used to it, they find it easier than skating older worn in product.
To live like that huh?!?
Shoes don't get a chance to get old, decks don't go through more than three layers of ply on the tail if they last that long, trucks get changed out before they get a groove in them. It is a wild ride for some people.
I'm convinced theres a bonus in photo incentives in their contracts for newer gear. These companies want to convince us that fresh gear is the only way these guys are doing these moves.
"+$200 for less than a ply of scrape
+$100 for no ollie holes
minus $50 for each millimeter of wheel worn away"
Vincent Alvarez must owe money every time he gets a photo
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I'm just trying to remind myself that no setup is gonna make me a cruisy transition ripper like this, I'm doomed to be a flatbar/flatground/ledge guy my whole life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1N8PEq_9g
Not with that attitude
Lolol. I looked at my board with Indy’s and then I pulled out my AF1s and looked at them. I know I will love the turn but be annoyed with QC issues so I think I’ll just stick to Indy’s. Aces just don’t feel as well made as Indy’s but something keeps them in the back of my mind. I think I’m cured… for now.
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
This +1
I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
The crazy thing is some people like the pro dudes or top sponos (including some spono / pro guys I know) get so used to it, they find it easier than skating older worn in product.
To live like that huh?!?
Shoes don't get a chance to get old, decks don't go through more than three layers of ply on the tail if they last that long, trucks get changed out before they get a groove in them. It is a wild ride for some people.
"+$200 for less than a ply of scrape
+$100 for no ollie holes
minus $50 for each millimeter of wheel worn away"
Vincent Alvarez must owe money every time he gets a photo
Ha yeah, it seems like polar opposites sometimes, with some guys always riding the absolute freshest everything, but others seem like they really know how to get the most out of every single bit of their setup and gear.
I always liked Vincent for that, among other things, like his switch game on everything.
The consumer orientated first world name dropping / branding is a formidable thing we all just seem to take for granted nowdays, but a little scary when you think about it.
Stickers make the world go round.
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
This +1
I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
I love new shoes and a new board at the same time. I’ve also always loved the feeling of new grip. The grippier the better imo. I absolutely hate new shoes on an old board. It has never felt right
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I'm on my 2nd Alltimers deck, which was the same dimensions as the last, but there is something off with it. Wacky pop, I ghost pop alot. It appears to be steeper, by a good margin. How you guys deal with this? I'm tempted to just get a new, instead of "re" learning shit, adapt to the steeper shape
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Breaking in new shoes when skating sucks worse than breaking in anything.
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I'm convinced that all the "Day In The Life" videos where the skaters setup fresh decks and shoes are BS, no one like the fresh grip + shoes combo
same here, not knowing whether your going to be slippy longstockings or not with fresh shoes on old grip is a mind fuck when rolling upto bigger things. dont need that in the back of your mind.
however i do tend to break my new shoes in before skating by walking round in them for a week or so that way the flex is there and the materials have broken down enough to session them comfortably, cupsoles especially. its not an open box, put on feet, go roll situation.
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I'm on my 2nd Alltimers deck, which was the same dimensions as the last, but there is something off with it. Wacky pop, I ghost pop alot. It appears to be steeper, by a good margin. How you guys deal with this? I'm tempted to just get a new, instead of "re" learning shit, adapt to the steeper shape
I’m not a fan of the steep stuff, but you could try (as you might tried already), adjusting the popping foot placement. As an example, I often skate smaller setups, with ventures or thunders (relevant, tangentially, in that the axles are placed further out towards the tail, making a short tail or nose, shorter), and if I switch to say an ace, my normal popping foot placement of near the tail might not work as well. I try and adjust by moving my foot further down towards the bolts…I’m not nearly a ‘good enough’ skateboarder to have so many opinions, but sometimes that has helped me adjust.
Also, some boards will kind of ‘let go’ and start only wearing sweat pants/mellow out a bit, usually takes a little bit of time tho, few weeks. Leaving the board in the car can result in a mellowing. I haven’t done the whole car on top of the board deal, but I’ve definitely flipped them upside down and bounced in the middle a bit.
Good luck! Nuances like this are best solved by grabbing boards in person. That being said, I can get fairly uncomfortable picking out a deck, in person, and just grab something and bolt, only to later find out that the wb is totally different or whatever.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
That's what I did. Now I enjoy skating.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
I have the opposite issue (I try to skate Indys, to have a more ‘do it all setup’, but prefer, by a long ways, skating venture lo’s/or thunder 147s), but yes, go with what flows.
I’ve been trying to not skate Nikes, and yet, when I wear them, shit goes better. Annoying tbh. Skating my last pair of dunks rn, and yeah, they feel/skate great. From an aesthetic perspective I drastically prefer Last Resorts, and Nike is not tight as far as corporations go, but the kickflips and lack of foot pain…annnnyways.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
You sound like you’re reaching the Indy acceptance phase that many of us have landed in after an arduous (shoutout Conor Oberst) financial journey
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
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Congratulations, you've reached Acceptance. Enjoy it before the next bout of Gear Madness hits and sends you down the spiral of Denial (that it's our gear that is lacking, not our skills).
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I'm on my 2nd Alltimers deck, which was the same dimensions as the last, but there is something off with it. Wacky pop, I ghost pop alot. It appears to be steeper, by a good margin. How you guys deal with this? I'm tempted to just get a new, instead of "re" learning shit, adapt to the steeper shape
I’m not a fan of the steep stuff, but you could try (as you might tried already), adjusting the popping foot placement. As an example, I often skate smaller setups, with ventures or thunders (relevant, tangentially, in that the axles are placed further out towards the tail, making a short tail or nose, shorter), and if I switch to say an ace, my normal popping foot placement of near the tail might not work as well. I try and adjust by moving my foot further down towards the bolts…I’m not nearly a ‘good enough’ skateboarder to have so many opinions, but sometimes that has helped me adjust.
Also, some boards will kind of ‘let go’ and start only wearing sweat pants/mellow out a bit, usually takes a little bit of time tho, few weeks. Leaving the board in the car can result in a mellowing. I haven’t done the whole car on top of the board deal, but I’ve definitely flipped them upside down and bounced in the middle a bit.
Good luck! Nuances like this are best solved by grabbing boards in person. That being said, I can get fairly uncomfortable picking out a deck, in person, and just grab something and bolt, only to later find out that the wb is totally different or whatever.
I have definitely had some BBS boards that are more mellow (perfect for me) or steeper (difficult for me to say the least) at which time I thought I am either going to give this board away or try something like parking on it. The parking on it worked with a small car, but even just drive over it often gives it a bit more flex and doesn't feel half as steep as it was before. I put cardboard or something down on smooth (garage floor) concrete if it is already gripped so it doesn't cause unwanted wear on the grip tape on the ends of the kicks, but for most boards I have done, it works well and had the desired result. Hot tyres mellow it out a lot faster too, just so you know, but just driving over it slowly is a good start to see.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
I have the opposite issue (I try to skate Indys, to have a more ‘do it all setup’, but prefer, by a long ways, skating venture lo’s/or thunder 147s), but yes, go with what flows.
I’ve been trying to not skate Nikes, and yet, when I wear them, shit goes better. Annoying tbh. Skating my last pair of dunks rn, and yeah, they feel/skate great. From an aesthetic perspective I drastically prefer Last Resorts, and Nike is not tight as far as corporations go, but the kickflips and lack of foot pain…annnnyways.
Yeah I get what you're saying. I really like venture as a company and they work really well for certain things but I feel like I skate better on indys. And as far as shoes I really love halfcabs but I have noticed when I skate in Jordan 1s my kickflips are the best they've ever been.
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I'm on my 2nd Alltimers deck, which was the same dimensions as the last, but there is something off with it. Wacky pop, I ghost pop alot. It appears to be steeper, by a good margin. How you guys deal with this? I'm tempted to just get a new, instead of "re" learning shit, adapt to the steeper shape
Just like all BBS they press 4-5 in a stack at a time and can greatly vary. Alltimers tend to be more like a DLX I or II. I fucking hated mine. You need to stand on/compare them to a DLX deck with a numeral for good comparison. I take both and lay one over the other lining up the bolts and looking at the kicks.
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If it wasn't for Slap I wouldn't have truck madness. Honestly after recently relapsing and trying Indy, Royal, and Thunder they're all great and I can do all the same shit to varying degrees, but in the end I enjoy the Indy turn, grind, and pop feel. There's nothing wrong with them. Slap has this weird thing sorta like when a teenager won't like anything their parents like out of spite despite knowing that they're right.
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I had a legit gear madness nightmare last night. In my dream I set up a new board with giant wheels and giant risers. My board must have been sitting at about knee height. It seemed like an amazing idea and I wanted it to work so badly but pushing was so exhausting I had a full meltdown. Harsh.
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I had a legit gear madness nightmare last night. In my dream I set up a new board with giant wheels and giant risers. My board must have been sitting at about knee height. It seemed like an amazing idea and I wanted it to work so badly but pushing was so exhausting I had a full meltdown. Harsh.
I had a dream last night that one of my wheels split in half. Probably because my local just got a huge shipment of spitfires. I almost never have dreams
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
I know several people this year who were just like "I give up, I love Indys, I'm just gonna skate these" and every one of them seems pretty happy with their decision. It turns out that after ~45 years, Independent has figured out how to make a decent truck.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
I know several people this year who were just like "I give up, I love Indys, I'm just gonna skate these" and every one of them seems pretty happy with their decision. It turns out that after ~45 years, Independent has figured out how to make a decent truck.
I rode Indy’s my whole life, then rode Ace for about 5 years. I’m back on Indy’s now because they grind so much better and they don’t have any of the QC issues. I have Ace bushings in my Indy’s now and they turn well enough that I don’t miss Ace
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
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Congratulations, you've reached Acceptance. Enjoy it before the next bout of Gear Madness hits and sends you down the spiral of Denial (that it's our gear that is lacking, not our skills).
I feel gear madness more closely resembles a Sorry board game. New stage of Indy? Sorry! New manufacturing overseas? Sorry!
Move your piece right back to the beginning
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Stay strong through the 4th of July sales my brothers and sisters!
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
I know several people this year who were just like "I give up, I love Indys, I'm just gonna skate these" and every one of them seems pretty happy with their decision. It turns out that after ~45 years, Independent has figured out how to make a decent truck.
I rode Indy’s my whole life, then rode Ace for about 5 years. I’m back on Indy’s now because they grind so much better and they don’t have any of the QC issues. I have Ace bushings in my Indy’s now and they turn well enough that I don’t miss Ace
This. After going back and forth between Indy and ace. Almost buying ventures again. Thinking I could do thunders if I tired it with risers this time I have come to the fact and can fully admit. I just like Indy’s. I enjoyed aces and they are always a close second but I just can’t deal with the QC. Nothing feels as good as an Indy and every other truck I try, I try and make it feel like an Indy so why fight it.
Problem is in my head I absolutely love the stock bushings. Perfect amount of loose but I want to go buy the “soft red” and the “super soft white” Indy bushings to really Fuck it up.
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Gear Madness if your heart and brain at conflict with each other. Your brain says Indy / Thunder are the safer choice and you've ridden them for the past few years with zero complains. But your hear really want to try those sexy Ventures and Ace trucks.
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I’m on the sexy ventures.
Last year, I was bouncing between modded theeves, ace, tensor, and mindy baseplate with regular hangers. Oh, and some thunders with ace barrel bottom.
For now, the venture lo’s have stock red bushing, krux ikp, and sleeved bottom washer.
Edit: Forgot to mention royals.
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oldheads, its perfectly normal to like indys
its pretty much the formula
see someone 30+ on a skateboard...guess the trucks?
9/10 its indy and thats been the case for as long as i remember
peak "back in my day" truck
dont try and be hip, just keep your hip intact
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Too bad the "old heads" rip circles around most people who care about trucks.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
I know several people this year who were just like "I give up, I love Indys, I'm just gonna skate these" and every one of them seems pretty happy with their decision. It turns out that after ~45 years, Independent has figured out how to make a decent truck.
I rode Indy’s my whole life, then rode Ace for about 5 years. I’m back on Indy’s now because they grind so much better and they don’t have any of the QC issues. I have Ace bushings in my Indy’s now and they turn well enough that I don’t miss Ace
This. After going back and forth between Indy and ace. Almost buying ventures again. Thinking I could do thunders if I tired it with risers this time I have come to the fact and can fully admit. I just like Indy’s. I enjoyed aces and they are always a close second but I just can’t deal with the QC. Nothing feels as good as an Indy and every other truck I try, I try and make it feel like an Indy so why fight it.
Problem is in my head I absolutely love the stock bushings. Perfect amount of loose but I want to go buy the “soft red” and the “super soft white” Indy bushings to really Fuck it up.
The reds are known for being hard and sucking. The hack is the blues with slightly less threads showing than the stock orange. Less wheelbite and solid rebound and don't feel much tighter if at all at the top.
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Too bad the "old heads" rip circles around most people who care about trucks.
No they don’t.
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Too bad the "old heads" rip circles around most people who care about trucks.
No they don’t.
If I were going to rank trucks based on what the kids at the park who rip are skating.. It would probably go something like
1- Thunder
2 - Ace
3 - Indy
4 - Venture
The ones who are good enough to maybe end up sponsored are mostly either tech gods who value the thunder pinch above all else or the neo-retro kids doing no complies and impossibles on their 9 inch shaped board with ace 66s. And then there's one kid I sometimes see who's absolutely nuts but skates krux. Not a ton of heck riders around here these days.
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There are definitely a lot more people in the over 40s group who were "Indy lifers" now riding Ace, in particular AF1 trucks around here.
That might have something to do with local distribution and the thought of cheap or even free trucks to try more than anything else, but those guys are for the most part really loving their Ace trucks now.
I have a set of AF1 55s as well as some classics in various sizes and they go alright, but I still prefer Indy standards over everything else.
I also have boards set up with Thunder, Venture and some other brands, but they don't get used much and are more just for people to try if they want to see what certain trucks are like.
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In my experience with the kids who rip, they’re skating whatever fucking truck the shop gave them or was deeply discounted.
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Too bad the "old heads" rip circles around most people who care about trucks.
No they don’t.
Depends where you live i guess but I've encountered many 30+ and even 40+ dudes that are tech/gnarly as hell and likely better than most kids at the park and spot. I'm not talking about the bowl trolls or the dude that quit for 2 decades and just got back into skating.
Obviously up and coming youngsters and retired pros should be excluded.
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dawg i never said it was a problem, never said they sucked
dont want to quote myself but i said "its perfectly normal"
nobody is paying me, i couldnt really care. you shouldnt either
have a laugh, move on, and DONT prove my point
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Old head is what people call old(er) dudes. Liking Indys doesn’t make you an old head. Being an older dude that skates makes you an oldhead.
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I have wallowed in the madness, by chasing setups that don’t naturally work for me. What I mean by that is if I get on an 8”ish board and trucks, tricks are easier, not necessarily better, but easier. I’ve gotten adjusted to much larger setups, and have had maybe even better results than just riding an 8”, but it’s such a fiasco: rounding up a bunch of parts and then swapping around, waiting to get adjusted to everything to be able to evaluate it, just a mess really.
For the last month I’ve ridden two different completes, which is way better than what I regularly do, and could settle with either. I am still not good, it didn’t solve anything. Both about the same size, a big 8.1, and a board advertise as 8 that’s more like a 7.9, low 8 trucks, 52s and 51s.
It’s been interesting for me to witness my madness/consumerism shift over to shoes. I’ve always tried different shoes, my feet hurt, I do physical work and am very old in skateboard years, but I’ve recently taken my energy that I spent on boards and started to get weird about the shoes I want to use. Pretty wack. The whole thing, the madness, for me, just anxiety and consumption, rinse and repeat.
If any of you has a feeling about what you ‘should ride’, I’m not saying you shouldn’t try all of the other things, but maybe keep track of the parameters on the ‘should setup’, could be useful when you get way out in the woods of drastically different sized truck/wheel combos and what not. I’m now basically riding a setup I would have ridden 10-15 years ago. For me, I was probably skating a bit better on an 8.5, than I am rn, on an 8, but I just wore myself out thinking about all of it. The whole deal is frustrating in that I hoped there would some light at the end of the tunnel, with more information I’d find something more comfortable, but I’ve essentially just decided to skate a setup based off of what has worked for me in the past, and what some of my favorite pros skate.
I’m just rambling on a day when the weather isn’t cooperating, but for those of you that know you like a certain truck brand, rejoice! It’s not all bad trying different setups, some tricks have gotten better for me, from trying stuff. I think I’ve had to be more deliberate, and that has led to some greater understanding of a few tricks, maybe. Who knows, I had a bad session last night and once the regret/high of buying Jordan’s to skate in, wears off, you know I’ll be right back here talking about how I need to get indy 159s because I just rewatched the t-funk part, or 5.0 lo’s because I want to relive my youth trying to channel Lavar.
Hopefully not tho.
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I’m currently skating a 9.75” Heroin symmetrical egg with 66 Ace classics. Why? I don’t know.
It has a shorter wheelbase than what I’m used to and otherwise it’s huge. It takes so much effort to even just ollie. I used to ride 8.375” and maybe 8.5” before the madness got the best of me.
Had some great times on a 9.25” shaped deck with 66 AF1s. I guess that fueled my madness making me think bigger is better. I guess I should move back down a bit as the current setup just is too much for me even though I quite like some aspects of it. I don t know. Fucking madness.
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Guys should I just stop pretending I like the feel of ventures and aces more than Indy? I think I should just go back to what I know and love and focus on just enjoying skating.
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Congratulations, you've reached Acceptance. Enjoy it before the next bout of Gear Madness hits and sends you down the spiral of Denial (that it's our gear that is lacking, not our skills).
Move your piece right back to the beginning
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SORRY but with Half Cabs
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If any of you has a feeling about what you ‘should ride’, I’m not saying you shouldn’t try all of the other things, but maybe keep track of the parameters on the ‘should setup’, could be useful when you get way out in the woods of drastically different sized truck/wheel combos and what not. 8<......>8 but I’ve essentially just decided to skate a setup based off of what has worked for me in the past
I've got a mental list of 'best setups' it's semi-useful to a point...if they don't keep the same decks in the line-up/rotation you're SOL.
Two of my fav boards are no longer made (DLX 8.18 FULL SE and the 8.25x31.9x14.353 NHS); I miss that 8.18 =(
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If any of you has a feeling about what you ‘should ride’, I’m not saying you shouldn’t try all of the other things, but maybe keep track of the parameters on the ‘should setup’, could be useful when you get way out in the woods of drastically different sized truck/wheel combos and what not. 8<......>8 but I’ve essentially just decided to skate a setup based off of what has worked for me in the past
I've got a mental list of 'best setups' it's semi-useful, to a point...if they don't keep the same decks in the line-ups you're SOL. Two of my fav boards are no longer made (DLX 8.18 FULL SE and the 8.25x31.9x14.353 NHS); I miss that 8.18 =(
Good and fair point.
What I’ve noticed for myself, and I guess incorrectly assumed others would also possibly experience, is that I need the much more specific parameters, when I’m outside of the ‘normal’ (as if this type of anguish over a child’s toy was normal) for me range, which is 8” deck, 8” trucks. I can possibly skate better on an 8.5” setup, but woe is fucking me if the details aren’t sorted out. To me, the ‘madness’, is chasing the minutiae, to a degree that it gets in the way of the activity, or becomes the activity. My best skating was done by grabbing whatever got me hyped (jocking some pro’s style) and rocking with that.
In no way is this a shot at you, @Xen, I’m hyped you have narrowed your preferences so sharply. I think it’s dope, and shows a sensitivity and skill I just don’t have.
When I start trying to make these wild leaps of: ‘well I want to learn transition skating, and people that rip that skate x + x + x…’ I end up super sideways.
To attempt to salvage a salient point out of my gibberish: I need specific shit when I’m tripping, but if just skate a ‘regular’ sized setup, 95% of that tweaking about the setup magically disappears. I might still like a board more/less than the previous, but it’s not some catastrophic event. For me.
It is fucked when companies quit doing the thing we liked from them. I’m currently buying aj1’s, like a moron, because I can’t buy dunks. So not rad.
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Some guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.
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Some guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.
Damn. That’s a steal. If you feel like selling some let me know.
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Some guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.
Damn. That’s a steal. If you feel like selling some let me know.
It's three trucks for a total of $40 - not three sets of trucks. A set of trucks, and a lonely solo truck that is destined to sit in the garage unloved.
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Some guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.
Damn. That’s a steal. If you feel like selling some let me know.
It's three trucks for a total of $40 - not three sets of trucks. A set of trucks, and a lonely solo truck that is destined to sit in the garage unloved.
For some that is a good enough deal, eg riding a set and having one spare for just in case, or when you go through one hanger, you have a replacement ready.
There are a lot of places I know that still sell individual trucks, so I can always just get another single to make up a new set too, but I have realised it is just as handy to have a spare single in most in case someone does need something, eg pull apart the truck so there is a 159 Ti hanger, a forged baseplate, some bushings, which can be used as well.
Someone sometime might be in need, so you can always move the extra truck if you are not the sort of person to skate through the back (or front) hanger any time soon too.
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Some guy locally is selling 3 new Indy Ti 159s for $40. I don’t need them - I have 159 hollow forged. But I’m still showing up tomorrow with cash
But it’s ok, because early in the thread I said I should just skate Indies. And I have an Anti Hero Blue Meanie and some 56mm F4 classics just sitting here.
Even if I wasn't wanting to ride them, I'd still buy them, pick up a single truck online, sell them of and make some $$.
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Or really flex on your friends by putting using the TI truck in unorthodox places - replace the handles of kitchen cabinets, use as a shifter knob in your car, an expensive hammer or wall mount a 2nd use to use as grips for chin ups.
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Mallgrab work out…..
How about getting Hulu hoop and using as lawn darts…
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Third Ti truck as a griptape file.
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Third Ti truck as a griptape file.
Or really flex on your friends by putting using the TI truck in unorthodox places - replace the handles of kitchen cabinets, use as a shifter knob in your car, an expensive hammer or wall mount a 2nd use to use as grips for chin ups.
Frame it in a glass case that has the message "in case of madness, shatter glass"
Because at the end of the day we should all probably just be riding indys on a board with a WB that compliments our body type.......
I'm not ready to admit that though.
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I have to renew my license and insurance this week.
I’m like 200 short.
My mind is screaming to buy 6.1s. I definitely don’t need new trucks. I want them.
I don’t even got shoes rn. Wtf is my problem
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I have to renew my license and insurance this week.
I’m like 200 short.
My mind is screaming to buy 6.1s. I definitely don’t need new trucks. I want them.
I don’t even got shoes rn. Wtf is my problem
what size shoe do you wear?
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Man I wish concave didn't differ between decks in a press. DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
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Man I wish concave didn't differ between decks in a press. DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
I'm grateful this hasn't become an issue for me. I'm aware of the difference, but for some reason it hasn't bothered me enough to worry about. I have looked at that number on the board and had this exact thought. "thank god i dont care about this"
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I had a II anti hero 8.38 that was so fucking steep I couldn't ride it. I compared it to another II and it was way steeper, basically a I or more. I like flatter decks and until this experience never cared.
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DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
1. III
2. II
3. IV
4. I
In that order.
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DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
1. III
2. II
3. IV
4. I
In that order.
Me riding thunders:
1. IV
2. III
3. II
4. I
Me after switching to ace lows:
1. I
2. II
3. III
4. IV
Just as the romans intended
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I just picked up the three Ti 159s i mentioned.
I picked them up because I knew I had an Anti Hero Blue Meanie in the stack.
What I forgot is that I also have a Polar 1992, and a Schmitt Joe Lopes that would take them if I used wide wheels.
But no..... I don't have a problem. Why do you ask?
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DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
1. III
2. II
3. IV
4. I
In that order.
Me riding thunders:
1. IV
2. III
3. II
4. I
Me after switching to ace lows:
1. I
2. II
3. III
4. IV
Just as the romans intended
Ha yeah, I can see this getting interesting.
I can always flatten a steeper board, but I can't make a flat board steeper, so now I don't mind what number is on it cause I can fix it to what I like anyway.
Some presses are definitely more mellow and some steeper anyway, cause I have quite a few of the I stamped boards that are way more mellow than all the other IV stamped boards and seeing some info on Kyle Walker's preference for mellow boards and he rides an 8.38 often means I get more mellow Real boards anyway, although it is not just limited to Real, with them coming on Krooked and Antihero graphics too.
There have only ever been two I just thought "This is too mellow" and not bought them or set them up and passed them on to others, or put them on the wall in the shop, which might have been the Kyle mold as mentioned.
Just unfortunate if it is someone ordering online, or that was all that was available, cause these things were sooooo flat, even for my standards and I like them mellow.
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I just picked up the three Ti 159s i mentioned.
I picked them up because I knew I had an Anti Hero Blue Meanie in the stack.
What I forgot is that I also have a Polar 1992, and a Schmitt Joe Lopes that would take them if I used wide wheels.
But no..... I don't have a problem. Why do you ask?
"I don't have a problem"
Says the man with 1.5 pairs of trucks
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Ah shit I tried out a friends setup (FA 8.25 with Indy Hollows w/ Cast plates) - 2 components I would not have considered riding especially the tall / heavy Indys. Solid pop, stick to your feet kind of setup you instantly connect with.
Shit's got my mind wondering.
FUCK!!
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Ah shit I tried out a friends setup (FA 8.25 with Indy Hollows w/ Cast plates) - 2 components I would not have considered riding especially the tall / heavy Indys. Solid pop, stick to your feet kind of setup you instantly connect with.
Shit's got my mind wondering.
FUCK!!
If you had those or something similar in stock, you could do some "product testing research" otherwise a single skate / session on something different might just be a curious interest.
Others I know preferred the hollow forged varieties coming from or swapping back and forth between Thunder and Venture, but that might have made things even more weird now.
Have another session on your own board before making any other decisions.
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I really wanted to ride my Indy Ti149s with the stock bushings. But after few sessions one top bushing started to splinter and turning was.. strange. New cycle of Film bushings. I hope it's gonna be good enough for this round...
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I’m riding forged hollow 149s on an Anti Hero rn but I want to try forged hollow 144s that I just bought… would it be crazy if I just swapped the hangers? That would definitely work right?
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I’m riding forged hollow 149s on an Anti Hero rn but I want to try forged hollow 144s that I just bought… would it be crazy if I just swapped the hangers? That would definitely work right?
yes
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Dropped off a stack of old boards and wheel at the skatepark, mailed those Royal trucks (thanks @LebowskisRug) to my friend back home to skate until they crack, sorted all my old bearings into the metal recycling, and didn't buy a single thing over the 4th of July sales.
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Dropped off a stack of old boards and wheel at the skatepark, mailed those Royal trucks (thanks @LebowskisRug) to my friend back home to skate until they crack, sorted all my old bearings into the metal recycling, and didn't buy a single thing over the 4th of July sales.
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Ah shit I tried out a friends setup (FA 8.25 with Indy Hollows w/ Cast plates) - 2 components I would not have considered riding especially the tall / heavy Indys. Solid pop, stick to your feet kind of setup you instantly connect with.
Shit's got my mind wondering.
FUCK!!
If you had those or something similar in stock, you could do some "product testing research" otherwise a single skate / session on something different might just be a curious interest.
Others I know preferred the hollow forged varieties coming from or swapping back and forth between Thunder and Venture, but that might have made things even more weird now.
Have another session on your own board before making any other decisions.
I know that's the smart thing to do, should have skated his setup for more than just 2 ollies to see if the novelty wore off. Doesn't help that I have some 8.5s on hand which got me thinking of sizing up but I don't want to get into a brand new ecosystem of 8.5" trucks.
Doesn't help that I can't pinpoint what caused me to like his setup. The height + weight of Indys? The steep FA kicks? 54mm Bones Wheels?
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I know that's the smart thing to do, should have skated his setup for more than just 2 ollies to see if the novelty wore off. Doesn't help that I have some 8.5s on hand which got me thinking of sizing up but I don't want to get into a brand new ecosystem of 8.5" trucks.
Doesn't help that I can't pinpoint what caused me to like his setup. The height + weight of Indys? The steep FA kicks? 54mm Bones Wheels?
Yeah, too many variables right there.
For me sizing up was worse than pulling teeth, as I had my usual 8.12 black eagle on 139s as a normal board, then had one blue eagle 8.5 on 149s with all those proportionate parts, as well as a white eagle 8.75 on 159s too, but the bigger boards were always more just a fun roll around rather than trying the same things on them.
I still skate my old smaller boards sometimes (trying some flip tricks occasionally) but more so now I have let that go and just been more so rolling around and doing everything else (no flips really, but I did a month or so ago just for a laugh) on the bigger 8.38 or 8.5 sized boards as my usual go to.
Sure others can flip and throw around bigger boards when they get used to them (and even I could too if I really tried) but to say it changes everything to go up is an understatement.
If you had the space and resources, I found it is good to have one or more of the different / bigger boards set up and there if you needed to try it again, or other sizes than you usually skate, just so if or when the madness takes hold, you can jump on it and have it, or even for others to try, but with constraints on space or other things, it might be better to just stick to the good sizes and things you know and focus on that.
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Sounds like maybe it was just a good graphic….
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Sounds like maybe it was just a good graphic….
Can't be, it was a FA deck....
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It's not surprising basic Indy's work on an FA/Hockey considering most of their riders skate Indy and Thunder.
They have wide but not long tails and the tail isn't too steep. For me it's the nose and short WB that fucks me up.
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i cannot stand that super steep kick shovel nose FA shape. Quasis are kinda similar too.
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I have to renew my license and insurance this week.
I’m like 200 short.
My mind is screaming to buy 6.1s. I definitely don’t need new trucks. I want them.
I don’t even got shoes rn. Wtf is my problem
what size shoe do you wear?
8.5
My feets is tini
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I have to renew my license and insurance this week.
I’m like 200 short.
My mind is screaming to buy 6.1s. I definitely don’t need new trucks. I want them.
I don’t even got shoes rn. Wtf is my problem
what size shoe do you wear?
8.5
My feets is tini
ah dang. I'm a size 10. was going to see if you wanted these lakai trudgers i skated in a couple times, not digging them personally. If you grow a size and a half theyre yours lol.
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Man I wish concave didn't differ between decks in a press. DLX III is like my Goldilocks but I am still a kook going through every deck in a shop to get one
A DLX III were also always my favorite. Then one day I got a Anti Hero I and yeah..
As far as my experiences go, a DLX III is really similar concave wise to Darkroom and Magenta decks. Both from BBS too.
You know how the homie @Mbrimson88 says..
Just a few options.
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The only madness that has taken a hold of me is shoe madness. I've never found a pair that I could stick with.
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Its all just too fucking tempting.
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i cannot stand that super steep kick shovel nose FA shape. Quasis are kinda similar too.
I’m the opposite , give me that square ass full shape ! Nollie Noseslide and nollie crooks work so well , I love that nollie and switch pop it gives off as well
Skated Alien Workshop and Habitat decks growing up which definitely had those square shapes from PSstix and I’ve really enjoyed FA 8-8.18” , Quasi / GX / WKND 8.125” quasi’s was a little bit more mellow it felt like .
PSstix GX 8.25” is a crazy type of tapered shape , where the front truck is 8.125” , the back truck 8” , and in between is 8.25 , really squared off shape too , im intrigued to try it but will stick with the 8.125”
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i cannot stand that super steep kick shovel nose FA shape. Quasis are kinda similar too.
I’m the opposite , give me that square ass full shape ! Nollie Noseslide and nollie crooks work so well , I love that nollie and switch pop it gives off as well
Skated Alien Workshop and Habitat decks growing up which definitely had those square shapes from PSstix and I’ve really enjoyed FA 8-8.18” , Quasi / GX / WKND 8.125” quasi’s was a little bit more mellow it felt like .
PSstix GX 8.25” is a crazy type of tapered shape , where the front truck is 8.125” , the back truck 8” , and in between is 8.25 , really squared off shape too , im intrigued to try it but will stick with the 8.125”
Do you do flip tricks a lot? Thats where i hate them specifically.
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Same. I like the Baker nose a lot. It's a bit longer but tapered for a quick flick.
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i cannot stand that super steep kick shovel nose FA shape. Quasis are kinda similar too.
The Hockey shape is too steep for me, even the 8.44 tapered shape. I find Quasi to be much more mellow though.
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Can verify Quasi are more mellow and I like the tail more.
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The only madness that has taken a hold of me is shoe madness. I've never found a pair that I could stick with.
Damn that’s the only madness I don’t have right now
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I wasn’t going to say anything but I have no idea how you skate in those pants….
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The only madness that has taken a hold of me is shoe madness. I've never found a pair that I could stick with.
I haven't settled on a deck, but my madness is mostly cured. Always riding Reebok Club C's, Indy 159s, 54mm Spitfire Conical Full and Bones bearings & bushings. I've got a 9 inch Polar popsicle I'm skating right now which I really like, but I've still got a 8.75 popsicle, 2 9 inch Heroin Zane shaped decks and a Huffer lying around. I'm starting to come to terms that I might not find my holy grail deck. Switching it up has been fun for me, so for now I'm fine with where I'm at. Having a stack of decks does make me feel kinda guilty about hoarding gear, but at least it motivates me to go out.
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Yeah, other than shoes I think I've stabilized. I measured my last three "favorite" decks and they are all 8.5, all 14.38, and all have the same nose and tail dimensions just a bit of variance in taper. Indys are 149/159 w/ forged plates. I've tried a lot of wheels but conical full 53mm/101a seem to be my sweet spot, the smaller harder full seems to make them less clunky than the larger sizes I've tried and they still lock in better on coping than radials and classics.
Don't get me started on shoes...madness...
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Boards I’m not mad at all. I like trying all sorts of stuff, from polarizers to 9-inch popsicles to SCRAMs to downhill boards so.
But my madness is pants. How baggy they are, how they hang, how they taper, how the look when I push, I hate how much I’m invested in it. Especially from 2000-2020 when it hard for me to find baggier stuff.
Now I’m happy with Polar 93s, 36-inch. They are pretty much ideal.
But maybe the best skate pant I ever had was a pair of Emerica brushed denim cargoes, called the ‘burnside’.
Burly yet soft and plush. And the perfect cut.
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Boards I’m not mad at all. I like trying all sorts of stuff, from polarizers to 9-inch popsicles to SCRAMs to downhill boards so.
But my madness is pants. How baggy they are, how they hand, how they taper, how the look when I push, I hate how much I’m invested in it. Especially from 2000-2020 when it hard for me to find baggier stuff.
Now I’m happy with Polar 93s, 36-inch. They are pretty much ideal.
But maybe the best skate pant I ever had was a pair of Emerica brushed denim cargoes, called the ‘burnside’.
Burly yet soft and plush. And the perfect cut.
I was going way too hard with pants purchases for most of last year. For the past three or four months I’ve pretty much only been skating these and they have served me well. They’re a little thick but it doesn’t bother me cause they’re quite durable. Not sure if anyone else has skated them and liked them…
https://www.carhartt.com/product/B11/loose-fit-washed-duck-utility-work-pant
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I notice that when I skate Indy's, my boards tail & nose doesnt have a as centered wear. As in I pop with the board not level. Anyone else noticed this? I guess its bcuz im not a long time indy skater, and not used to them 100% yet
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I notice that when I skate Indy's, my boards tail & nose doesnt have a as centered wear. As in I pop with the board not level. Anyone else noticed this? I guess its bcuz im not a long time indy skater, and not used to them 100% yet
I think certain tricks will always wear the tail more on the side too, compared to just straight ollies which usually wear the tail fairly straight across, or a little to toe side more than anything.
When I was doing a lot more frontside pop shovits, I would wear more off the heel side as I would put my toe right over, but that is a very limited use.
People who do pressure flips or impossibles really destroy the tail in a very diagonal wear on the toe side.
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welp, had a couple lame sessions on the thunders and went back to the indys. Back to the drawing board. I do feel like im getting closer though. Is this part of the madness? an illusion of progression while moving in a circle?
My biggest takeaways from the thunders were that i enjoyed the WB and stability, but i did not like the grind, and the baseplate issue bothered my blunts on rails. Nose and tailslides were manageable.
I'm itching to try a longer WB board with indy's now. I had them on an antihero 8.38 with a 14.5 wb not too long ago and they felt good. I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
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welp, had a couple lame sessions on the thunders and went back to the indys. Back to the drawing board. I do feel like im getting closer though. Is this part of the madness? an illusion of progression while moving in a circle?
My biggest takeaways from the thunders were that i enjoyed the WB and stability, but i did not like the grind, and the baseplate issue bothered my blunts on rails. Nose and tailslides were manageable.
I'm itching to try a longer WB board with indy's now. I had them on an antihero 8.38 with a 14.5 wb not too long ago and they felt good. I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
Decks I've ridden that fit that:
Quasi has some 8.5 with a 14.5 WB.
Creatures 8.6 decks (usually pro models like Russell, Martinez, Lockwood, etc.) are 8.6 with a 14.6 WB
AH18 BA was an 8.38 with a 14.6WB
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i have my trucks at the absolute peak of fiddling (Indy 149 ti, but with cast baseplates and hollow kingpins, with aftermarket indy conical bushings with small washers on the bottom in place of the bigger ones, and riptide pivot cups), but every once in awhile I throw it all together on forged plates, enjoy the featherweight feeling of the board in my hands, and then immediately regret my decision and put them back together again on the cast plates.
ive come to accept it's a ritual i go through about every 3-4 months, and try to find zen/solace in the mere act of tinkering... but then I also think to myself:
(http://y.yarn.co/062fff19-4fb5-44d5-bbc3-f40ac9227511_text.gif)
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welp, had a couple lame sessions on the thunders and went back to the indys. Back to the drawing board. I do feel like im getting closer though. Is this part of the madness? an illusion of progression while moving in a circle?
My biggest takeaways from the thunders were that i enjoyed the WB and stability, but i did not like the grind, and the baseplate issue bothered my blunts on rails. Nose and tailslides were manageable.
I'm itching to try a longer WB board with indy's now. I had them on an antihero 8.38 with a 14.5 wb not too long ago and they felt good. I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
So no Thunders because of the grind? Damn.
I admittedly am not into the idea of Thunders, and I’ve been all over these threads praising Indys, but a couple weeks ago I found myself browsing the internet purchasing some 8.75” Thunder Team Hollows because I figured they might be advantageous for slappys, crooks, and 5-0s because of the pinch. I’ve yet to set them up though and just had a great session on Indys today. We shall see…
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I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
Creature / Santa Cruz have their 8.375x32 shape that has full nose/tail and a 14.5 wheelbase, as well as an 8.3x32.2 with a 14.5 wheelbase. Settle for the least offensive graphic - because you aren't going to get a good one.
They have another 8.375 with a more tapered tail/nose that has a shorter wheelbase. Make sure you are looking at the longer.
I picked up one of the 8.375 ones a month or so ago and put Ace AF1 55s on it. I had the same shape in the past with Indy stage 8 on it and loved it. With the Ace, I think I've ridden it two or three times since I built it. It's the build that made me realize I just need to stick to Indy and skate whatever shape works with Indy.
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welp, had a couple lame sessions on the thunders and went back to the indys. Back to the drawing board. I do feel like im getting closer though. Is this part of the madness? an illusion of progression while moving in a circle?
My biggest takeaways from the thunders were that i enjoyed the WB and stability, but i did not like the grind, and the baseplate issue bothered my blunts on rails. Nose and tailslides were manageable.
I'm itching to try a longer WB board with indy's now. I had them on an antihero 8.38 with a 14.5 wb not too long ago and they felt good. I'm not sure how many brands make boards 8.5 and smaller with a 14.5+ WB though.
And I've got a stack of 8.3 dlx twin tail slicks that i dont want to waste haha.
I did the opposite almost. Had a few lame sessions on Indys and was re-thinking of Thunders. I did like them and they are more stable. My nollie/switch pop is always good on them but I don't get as much height on other tricks. Grind is fine and the baseplate thing doesn't bother me. I think part of it is mental block against wanting to admit I skate with my trucks a bit tighter than I ran em in the past. Slowly getting rid of all my spare shit but having the hardest time getting rid of my trucks.
Also, my deck has felt weird since my flight, but I can't imagine that pros fly and just hope their boards make it to the other side with no issues. Would seem weird only Slap has issues with it. Is the checked baggage area not pressurized as the rest of the cabin? I landed on it pretty hard and heard a crack, but nothing is visible so I am still rolling it.
First few sessions when I got my current Real 8.25 were great, but now I'm feeling squarely and cramped and not quite sold.
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Decks I've ridden that fit that:
Quasi has some 8.5 with a 14.5 WB.
Creatures 8.6 decks (usually pro models like Russell, Martinez, Lockwood, etc.) are 8.6 with a 14.6 WB
AH18 BA was an 8.38 with a 14.6WB
Might have to find that anti hero shape
Creature / Santa Cruz have their 8.375x32 shape that has full nose/tail and a 14.5 wheelbase, as well as an 8.3x32.2 with a 14.5 wheelbase. Settle for the least offensive graphic - because you aren't going to get a good one.
I can pretty confidently say I'll never buy a Santa Cruz board. The shape/dims would have to be perfect on the creature, and not be fucking lime green lol
So no Thunders because of the grind? Damn.
I admittedly am not into the idea of Thunders, and I’ve been all over these threads praising Indys, but a couple weeks ago I found myself browsing the internet purchasing some 8.75” Thunder Team Hollows because I figured they might be advantageous for slappys, crooks, and 5-0s because of the pinch. I’ve yet to set them up though and just had a great session on Indys today. We shall see…
The grind and turn. the pop feel and height were 50/50, sometimes I loved it other times it bothered me.
The difference in pinch between thunder 148 team baseplates, vs Indy 144 forged baseplates wasn't huge imo. I felt like the better grind from the Indy usually more than compensated for the slightly worse pinch. I really felt the need to wax, and wax regularly with thunders. Indys just plow through shit for me. I also skated indys the longest so I feel like that probably plays into how I get into/sit in some of my tricks. I like slappies, crooks, and 5-0's better on indys. But with enough wax, I can see how someone might prefer crooks and 5-0s on thunders if it suited how they did those tricks.
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went back and read my previous posts about my initial thoughts on switching to thunders, made me feel like a crazy person that just realized they were crazy. halp.
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It’s pretty funny how this thread started with a bunch of posters talking about slimming down to one or two completes, keeping their trucks, not worrying about wheelbases, and now it’s just the usual people talking about how the .005m addition to the length of their trucks is throwing everything off and buying a new set of trucks because of it.
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It’s pretty funny how this thread started with a bunch of posters talking about slimming down to one or two completes, keeping their trucks, not worrying about wheelbases, and now it’s just the usual people talking about how the .005m addition to the length of their trucks is throwing everything off and buying a new set of trucks because of it.
lol its a "support" thread, we need to provide solace and serenity to those in times of madness. however that may be.
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Back on 52mm wheels. 56 felt weird. I'll just suffer.
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It’s pretty funny how this thread started with a bunch of posters talking about slimming down to one or two completes, keeping their trucks, not worrying about wheelbases, and now it’s just the usual people talking about how the .005m addition to the length of their trucks is throwing everything off and buying a new set of trucks because of it.
lol its a "support" thread, we need to provide solace and serenity to those in times of madness. however that may be.
Yeah, I kind of just made this so I (and others) could vent about their gear neuroses without derailing other threads too much.
Just going to report back that I've been very into my "normal sized" popsicle. I like that if anything happens to it, I can walk into any skate shop and get another one and don't have to be all, "Yo, I need 5 in case they stop making them". Also very into the Ventures (5.6 hollows) I've been skating. There was no negative impact on my slappy/no comply game moving away from a big boy with Indy or Ace.
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So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
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Back on 52mm wheels. 56 felt weird. I'll just suffer.
No love for 54mm? I ride 52mm almost exclusively but love a skinny 54mm for that balance of speed and tech.
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So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
No thoughts on how much heel should hang. but i wear a size 10 and skate 8.3-8.5, been on 8.3 or 8.38 for like a year or so now, I'm more of a street guy.
I'd say try 8.25, super common board size, and plenty of guys with bigger feet rip boards of that size on transition too.
If you're feeling wild, go for an 8", but i feel like the 8.25 will probably feel small enough to scratch that itch for a more flippy board without being a super harsh adjustment. Truck width matters just as much or more than board width when it comes to flippyness. would def recommend new trucks for the smaller board too.
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So I bought more shoes...
First my friend wanted me to order from the emerica site for him, so I picked up the JULIAN DAVIDSON gamma g6 and blk/gum wino slips for half off and cursed myself a bit. Then at night I browsed junkyard.com and saw that they did 3 for 2 on sale, and that they had a bunch of good emericas on 70% off, so I got a pair of pillars, temples, etnies joslin vulc, two pairs of tilt g6s and a set of satori top shelf 52 mm, all for 17-18 euros each.
A couple of weeks back I picked up some walkers, gilbert 2 lows and bulls skate halfcabs at a sample sale.
I don't know how many shoes I own, but it's more than 100.
No nike's though, fuck a nike.
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Is this also the thread to brag? I'm gonna do it.
I haven't bought anything skate related in exactly one month
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So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
I wear a US 7.5 and ride a 8.25 as my regular board. So only a bit of heel hanging off the board, I like it that way.
But I also ride a 8.9 sometimes and I can do all my flips with that setup too, just not as highly popped.
No need to overthink when it feels good.
In relation to this thread.. Sole Tech changed their shoe sizing a few years ago. As much as I like Emerica and Etnies, my feet are always swimming in their shoes.
I haven't yet found a narrow slim shoe that fits me as well as Lakai's for example. The Vince Alvarez pro shoe, the Atlantic is pretty good for my weird feet.
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So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
I wear a US 7.5 and ride a 8.25 as my regular board. So only a bit of heel hanging off the board, I like it that way.
But I also ride a 8.9 sometimes and I can do all my flips with that setup too, just not as highly popped.
No need to overthink when it feels good.
In relation to this thread.. Sole Tech changed their shoe sizing a few years ago. As much as I like Emerica and Etnies, my feet are always swimming in their shoes.
I haven't yet found a narrow slim shoe that fits me as well as Lakai's for example. The Vince Alvarez pro shoe, the Atlantic is pretty good for my weird feet.
I think having at least a little bit of heel hanging off the board helps with control. Easier to wrap your toes around the toe side whilst having counterbalance on the other side, plus easier to put pressure on the heel/toe sides of the board.
That being said, I kinda have the opposite problem. I'm size 13 and skate between 8.25-8.5 so often skate just on my forefoot/toes (which is good for some things). 8.5 is very comfortable for me though.
I think as long as you don't get too much toe/heel drag, feel comfortable, can easily apply pressure on either side of the board without struggling, but can also skate slightly tiptoed instead of completely flat footed, you're in a good spot.
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Is this also the thread to brag? I'm gonna do it.
I haven't bought anything skate related in exactly one month
The only thing I’ve bought is a 917 hoodie for my son as a surprise for his upcoming birthday.
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Is this also the thread to brag? I'm gonna do it.
I haven't bought anything skate related in exactly one month
I bought ibuprofin.
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Is this also the thread to brag? I'm gonna do it.
I haven't bought anything skate related in exactly one month
I bought ibuprofin.
...I bought 4 Heroin decks to keep on ice :-X
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Back on 52mm wheels. 56 felt weird. I'll just suffer.
Was that on the big egg?
I am all for 56mm wheels on some boards - usually transition or lazy day boards, but definitely not on every board, with 50 to 52 being more common on street or curb setups nowdays.
If you mix and match that will often be ok, but if you don't really skate much else, then it is a bit of a weird one, as you said.
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My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
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My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
Size up
If you can go to a running store, they might size you up, and/or help you determine your arch length.
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Back on 52mm wheels. 56 felt weird. I'll just suffer.
Was that on the big egg?
I am all for 56mm wheels on some boards - usually transition or lazy day boards, but definitely not on every board, with 50 to 52 being more common on street or curb setups nowdays.
If you mix and match that will often be ok, but if you don't really skate much else, then it is a bit of a weird one, as you said.
Yeah. It was fun at first but then it just felt wrong. Played around a bit, threw the 52s back on, and all was right in the world. Guess I have a type.
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My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
I'm not sure why, but this made me laugh.
Pick the smallest shoe you can that doesn't care your foot in. If that means going a half size bigger than you normally would, just do it. I crammed into shoes for a while because I liked feeling snug in my skate shoes, but it just wrecked my feet. Try high/midtops out of the bigger size feels too loose. Tightening around the ankles makes them more snug without crushing your feet.
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So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
I wear a US 7.5 and ride a 8.25 as my regular board. So only a bit of heel hanging off the board, I like it that way.
But I also ride a 8.9 sometimes and I can do all my flips with that setup too, just not as highly popped.
No need to overthink when it feels good.
In relation to this thread.. Sole Tech changed their shoe sizing a few years ago. As much as I like Emerica and Etnies, my feet are always swimming in their shoes.
I haven't yet found a narrow slim shoe that fits me as well as Lakai's for example. The Vince Alvarez pro shoe, the Atlantic is pretty good for my weird feet.
If you want narrow and slim, the Ishod will be perfect
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So I've been skating full shape 8.5 for a while now but the thing is I wear size 8 shoes and my board is almost as wide as my foot, I have very little heel hanging off. It never bothered me before but now that I'm skating more street than transition, I feel like its holding me back especially mannys and flat ground. Mostly bs flips and scooping (atleast I never heel drag though).
What are your guys thoughts on the amount of heel hanging off the board?
I wear a US 7.5 and ride a 8.25 as my regular board. So only a bit of heel hanging off the board, I like it that way.
But I also ride a 8.9 sometimes and I can do all my flips with that setup too, just not as highly popped.
No need to overthink when it feels good.
In relation to this thread.. Sole Tech changed their shoe sizing a few years ago. As much as I like Emerica and Etnies, my feet are always swimming in their shoes.
I haven't yet found a narrow slim shoe that fits me as well as Lakai's for example. The Vince Alvarez pro shoe, the Atlantic is pretty good for my weird feet.
If you want narrow and slim, the Ishod will be perfect
I like Ishod but I don't like the Nike empire. Same reason I don't buy Converse, although I really like them.
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My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
When I chilled out on cycling and started skating more, my foot went from 8.5 to 9-9.5 (depending on make), I think because my arches started collapsing as I was getting so much more impact than I had been before.
As for skate stuff, I bought two Violet decks when they were $35 because my Polar is at the end of its life and the only deck I have on ice is a substandard shop deck I bought on Black Friday. I bought a single set of those new Bones wheels and they ended up sending me five, three sets of which I gave away.
As I said up thread, I took a stack of decks and wheels to the park, sent my unskated Royals to a friend who breaks trucks pretty regularly. My stash now is limited to what fits in a small popcorn tin and a box with three or four oddball decks I will eventually get around to skating, and two completes.
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My rock climbing shoes are only a half size up from literally the smallest thing I can stuff my foot into. My street shoe size is a 43.5 EU and my climbing shoes are a 41.5, 42 in the summer if my feet swell. During the climbing season I am a size 9.5 and during the rest of the year I am a 10-10.5. Imagine how that fucks with your skate shoes.
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This thread is the embodiment of The Cobra Effect:
The Cobra effect occurs when incentives designed to solve a problem end up rewarding people for making it worse. The term originated in an anecdote that describes an occurrence in India under British rule. The British government was so concerned about the number of venomous cobras in Delhi it offered a bounty for every dead cobra. Initially, this was a successful strategy and large numbers of snakes were killed for the reward. However, unscrupulous entrepreneurs began to breed cobras. When the government became aware of this money making exercise, the programme was scrapped, leaving cobra breeders with thousands of worthless snakes which they then freed, thus increasing the wild cobra population.
https://the10group.com/the-cobra-effect-what-could-possibly-go-wrong
Gave my friends Indy setup another to decide if I wanted to go down that route. The heft and height was giving me nice floaty ollies but the weight really became a factor when I started trying kickflip. I'd say that was the answer I needed (no), then thought maybe I should franken-truck them, Titanium Axle with a Cast Baseplate.
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I have Ti axles with cast plates. I originally had the forged plates and got some cast ones later. It's basically the same weight as a hollow but doesn't have that weird hollow axle sound. I don't think it's much if any lighter feeling than a standard, which is on my other board.
Right now I'm in full madness. I've got 2 different setups where the only variable is the deck:
DLX 8.25: feels more consistent and snappy and my flip tricks are better, but it's not as stable for lots of other things. Oddly my tailslides and slappies feel a bit more outta control.
DLX 8.38: basically the opposite of above. It's great but flip tricks feel a bit rocket or kinda just flop over.
Now this is the true madness- skated 3 times for 2hrs each. Once at the park, once at the slappy spot, once in front of my house. Still no decision, but this is peak kook behavior.
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I have Ti axles with cast plates. I originally had the forged plates and got some cast ones later. It's basically the same weight as a hollow but doesn't have that weird hollow axle sound. I don't think it's much if any lighter feeling than a standard, which is on my other board.
Right now I'm in full madness. I've got 2 different setups where the only variable is the deck:
DLX 8.25: feels more consistent and snappy and my flip tricks are better, but it's not as stable for lots of other things. Oddly my tailslides and slappies feel a bit more outta control.
DLX 8.38: basically the opposite of above. It's great but flip tricks feel a bit rocket or kinda just flop over.
Now this is the true madness- skated 3 times for 2hrs each. Once at the park, once at the slappy spot, once in front of my house. Still no decision, but this is peak kook behavior.
Naw I feel like that’s normal behavior for this thread. I ran into a friend while I was grabbing lunch and went on for 10 min about the difference in Allen hardware between brands. That’s a sickness.
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I have Ti axles with cast plates. I originally had the forged plates and got some cast ones later. It's basically the same weight as a hollow but doesn't have that weird hollow axle sound. I don't think it's much if any lighter feeling than a standard, which is on my other board.
Right now I'm in full madness. I've got 2 different setups where the only variable is the deck:
DLX 8.25: feels more consistent and snappy and my flip tricks are better, but it's not as stable for lots of other things. Oddly my tailslides and slappies feel a bit more outta control.
DLX 8.38: basically the opposite of above. It's great but flip tricks feel a bit rocket or kinda just flop over.
Now this is the true madness- skated 3 times for 2hrs each. Once at the park, once at the slappy spot, once in front of my house. Still no decision, but this is peak kook behavior.
Nah, that's true friendship.
Edit: if he's a Philips head guy then disown him and find new friends
Stepped on a friends Hockey with Thunder Hollow Lights and that felt great too, got me questioning my loyalty to the big V.
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My shoe size has changed drastically due to getting enough protein and now I’ve noticed changes drastically from beginning, middle, and end of the day. True life - I’m 31 and I don’t know my shoe size and it’s fucking killing me
i feel ya. ya ain’t alone in this. went from a size 9 to 6.5 within 10 years. a damn shame i thought it was all over at 7 and stocked up on a bunch of shoes
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Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
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Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
Yeah I’ve done it and it’s chill. Can also put some washers on the inside
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It’s pretty funny how this thread started with a bunch of posters talking about slimming down to one or two completes, keeping their trucks, not worrying about wheelbases, and now it’s just the usual people talking about how the .005m addition to the length of their trucks is throwing everything off and buying a new set of trucks because of it.
lol its a "support" thread, we need to provide solace and serenity to those in times of madness. however that may be.
Yeah, I kind of just made this so I (and others) could vent about their gear neuroses without derailing other threads too much.
Just going to report back that I've been very into my "normal sized" popsicle. I like that if anything happens to it, I can walk into any skate shop and get another one and don't have to be all, "Yo, I need 5 in case they stop making them". Also very into the Ventures (5.6 hollows) I've been skating. There was no negative impact on my slappy/no comply game moving away from a big boy with Indy or Ace.
I’ve been on this one setup 99% of the time (record for me):
8” ps
5.2 venture lo’s
51 f4 classic shape, 99s
Quantums
Mob
Dunks
There are some disadvantages, namely rough ground, and I haven’t gone to a park, but for the skating I do (flatground bullshit), the above setup works as good as possible for me. I hope I just stick with it.
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After my affair with tunders, and returning to indys. I thought i may want to go back to 149s and an 8.5 over my 8.3 and 144s. I setup two near identical setups, ishod twin, indys, classic f4 spits. one was 8.3 with 144s, one was 8.5 with 149s. And I must say, overall i prefer the 8.3 i was already riding (which was a good feeling). Funny enough after this recent bout with the madness, the one thing i actually changed about my setup was the wheels. I was on 56mm 99a f4 classics for the longest time. I got some 54mm 101a f4 classics to help with the baseplate issue when i swapped to thunders, and I think I actually prefer them. They have their drawbacks, but they suit my skating better. Might just swap in the 99s when it gets cold or i skate somewhere slippery.
Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
Def tighten before swapping, I mentioned that somewhere earlier in this thread.
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Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
Yeah, my 44s work great with 8.25-8.5" in my experience.
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Truck madness is hitting me hard, everyone's setup feels great except my own. Going to stop being stubborn and tighten up my trucks, see if that helps, before I work through the brands.
Anyone ride 144 trucks on an 8.5 deck? I have an 8.5 deck that's been sitting around, don't have 149 trucks but lots of 144 trucks (AF1 Low, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6).
Loads of people do it by stacking washers and there are some minor trade offs vs 8.5 decks, but it's not massive. I personally have been on 8.25 trucks for years and gone up to 8.5 with em and ride 8.38ish normally.
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Got super tired of going back and forth between setups so I gave my 8.25 to this kid at the park. I think there was a mental block in realizing that the longer board felt more comfortable but would require some re-learning of a few tricks or timing but that experience could be worth it to skate faster and more confidently otherwise. The 8.25 was considerably steeper and I don't want to get into the realm of messing with trucks for now.
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I think a huge part of managing madness is understanding the interdependent relationship between the parameters of your skateboard. Understand when something is working for you, and if you're looking for a different feeling, there are ways to accomplish that without changing what you KNOW is working. Just some thoughts after my recent thunder/indy 144/149 debacle.
I liked the pop feel/stabililty of thunders but instead of changing my trucks, i feel like i shouldve sought out boards with a longer wb and shorter kicks.
I liked the hanger space on 149's, but in combination with the 56mm wheels i was on, and an 8.5 deck they were cumbersome to flip. I went to 54mm classics with some inside washers on my 144s and now i have a bit more hanger room.
I Feel like i should just keep some wheels on deck that work for various spots, because thats more objective than subjective. softer wider wheels DO work better on rougher or more slippery surfaces, thats a fact, not a random feeling of discontent/madness.
At that point is wheel madness even really madness? 101s most places, 99s or 97s if the place is kinda rough or slippery, and some softer wheels for those super crusty spots? could maybe even deal with 101s and 97s
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Instead of carrying two setups around with me (regular setup and filming/crusing setup) I am contemplating to just keep some soft cruiser wheels in my backpack.
Yeah I know, extra weight and changing wheels at the spot but that still seems better as carrying another setup.
What about those little soft rings(?) you could put over your regular wheels? I think Kenny Anderson showed them on his insta. But that was a while ago. Or can I make something similar by myself?
I hope ya all know what I mean.
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Thankfully I have never had wheel madness. Someone told me to get F4 99 and every time I've strayed from it I've just ended up coming back.
I've had 144's and 52-54 for a really long time. I had some forged hollow 149s and don't know what I did with them. They were on a commuter setup (8.5 FA with 55 conical fulls) which was actually pretty damn fun. I'm really interested in trying 149 or fuck it, 159s, but don't wanna have to get new grooves in trucks and shit.
Anyways, it's interesting the daily variation more than setup variation. I rode this same setup last Friday and was having the easiest time doing manuals on this ledge, then could only manage 1 today. On Friday my tre flips were disgusting- like bouncing off the ground and today were the most consistent and best I've had em in a long time.
I will say that this 8.38x14.5 Dreamer shape does have me wanting to explore a twin tail. Long WB, same tail, same concave, but shorter nose and overall length.
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We'll finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?
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We'll finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.
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Ya the weird thing is that they only allow Spotify to play cut rare stoner metal and all your shoes change into Emericas.
Jokes aside, I finally went back to Thunders. I was probably gaslighting myself with Indy's, but I hadn't really spent a lot of time on them or skated the standards. After 7 months on them they're just not for me right now. My pop is great but consistency is low and even the forged don't work better for me. I skated Thunder from 2000-2008, then upon returning to skating from 2018-2021 with some small forays into Ace and Indy on my commuter setups.
It's refreshing to even have a bad day skating and not think about the gear one bit.
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We'll finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.
Jumping from a 7.75" to a 9"? That's a huge leap. You're asking for a good few months wallowing in this thread. Maybe dance with some 8.5s for awhile?
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Well finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.
Jumping from a 7.75" to a 9"? That's a huge leap. You're asking for a good few months wallowing in this thread. Maybe dance with some 8.5s for awhile?
In 20+ years I've already ridden almost everything. I did it the other way when I started with the 7.75 coming down from a 9. (Or maybe an 8.8 can't remember the actual last board). Got a bunch of 8.5ish boards but they spark no joy
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
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It's refreshing to even have a bad day skating and not think about the gear one bit.
This. It's a great feeling!
It could very well be my gear madness is mostly self-inflicted illusion that it's about the gear, not the fact that I'm getting old and having other life commitments and schedules as well.
Funny that now when I recollect, I was riding some half-assed hand-me-downs most of my teen years and at least now it seems it was perfectly ok for me back then. There was also so little information available compared to internet age.
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Well finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.
Jumping from a 7.75" to a 9"? That's a huge leap. You're asking for a good few months wallowing in this thread. Maybe dance with some 8.5s for awhile?
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
why not go for a 9 football and get a happy medium of sorts? heroin has so many good shapes that aren’t too crazy you could toy around with. the comfort of a big board with the nimble factors with a smaller board. just an idea! Hope you find a good wider board that works for you!
edit: also if you’re looking into the deluxe/AH camp they have the huffer or those grimple eggs!
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Well finally happened after nearly 5 years I'm over the 7.75. could be the one I'm riding is just super old but was riding it the other day and just thought "this kinda sucks, I'm over it" now I'm thinking I want like a 9x33 with long wheelbase but I'm looking at Indy 149,159,169 I have and really not keen. Got some really old thunder 149 titaniums but they're really low and I'd need smaller wheels. Anyone ride Willis Kimbell creature boards?anything weird about them you can't see in pics?
Creature Kimbel decks are pretty much the usual popsicle, 9 x 33 with 15 wb and good kicks, nothing weird or different, normal Creature / Santa Cruz concave which is steeper than most, but if you are used to them, it should be familiar to you - pretty much the same concave as Dwindle and a few other woodshops.
Overall Creature seemed to have kicks a little on the shorter side with some shapes, but the 9 x 33 that I saw a while back was really nice.
Being in AU, the old OCD deck size list is a good one to check:
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/decks?pf_t_deck_width=actual_width1%3A9.0
For the same dimensions, AH has the orange eagle and other assorted graphics, as does a few other brands, then shorter versions but still good shapes from Polar, Heroin, Enjoi, and then something even shorter again like the Creature Stumps board, but that is more than enough for this thread.
Jumping from a 7.75" to a 9"? That's a huge leap. You're asking for a good few months wallowing in this thread. Maybe dance with some 8.5s for awhile?
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
edit: also if you’re looking into the deluxe/AH camp they have the huffer or those grimple eggs!
That's definatly the most logical idea but unfortunately when I get the madness it isn't based on any science or logic, I just get infected with an idea for something different . I did actually think about an egg (fuk maybe this was all brought on by looking thru the Huffer thread) and I have a board that's just under 9 with a really tapered nose but bigger square tail. I set it up quickly and rode down the street doing some nollies then backwards did some Ollies, shoves and 180s it didn't feel quite right but granted that's not the fairest comparison for an egg.
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Madness is in full effect, thought I was a 8.25-lifer but 8.5 is feeling so good right now. Barely noticed the difference in width after the first session. Now I need to update my entire truck ecosystem for 8.5 decks, wonderful.
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In 20+ years I've already ridden almost everything. I did it the other way when I started with the 7.75 coming down from a 9. (Or maybe an 8.8 can't remember the actual last board). Got a bunch of 8.5ish boards but they spark no joy
Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
Yes I totally get it, which is why I didn't try to recommend anything else, or other sizes, even though I did spend another half an hour looking through all the different bigger options from 8.6 up to 9.25 on OCD, but the options for choosing sizes and wheelbases are excellent to go through.
Madness is in full effect, thought I was a 8.25-lifer but 8.5 is feeling so good right now. Barely noticed the difference in width after the first session. Now I need to update my entire truck ecosystem for 8.5 decks, wonderful.
The tech guys I skate with usually ride the 8.25 sized trucks on 8.38 and 8.5 sized boards, so before you update too much, have a think about how much truck you actually want.
The most common thought is wider trucks for transition, not so wide for street and tech.
Not quite like Reynolds on 139 for everything from 8.1 to 8.5 but it sure does seem to work for most of those guys.
I much prefer wider trucks, but I am more transition > street, even though I do like to skate a bit of everything.
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Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
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Yes I totally get it, which is why I didn't try to recommend anything else, or other sizes, even though I did spend another half an hour looking through all the different bigger options from 8.6 up to 9.25 on OCD, but the options for choosing sizes and wheelbases are excellent to go through.
Madness is in full effect, thought I was a 8.25-lifer but 8.5 is feeling so good right now. Barely noticed the difference in width after the first session. Now I need to update my entire truck ecosystem for 8.5 decks, wonderful.
The tech guys I skate with usually ride the 8.25 sized trucks on 8.38 and 8.5 sized boards, so before you update too much, have a think about how much truck you actually want.
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I didn't too much about it and was enjoying the ride, until a friend pointed it out the axle being shorter than the board and now I can't stop thinking about it.
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Fuck a Christmas complete! I skated a completely new setup today due to madness and holy fuck did I hate it.
I was on Heroin 9.75” symmetrical egg with Ace 66 classics, 1/8” risers, rails & 56 mm conical fulls and I didn’t like it cuz it was too short, wide and heavy. Went to an Antihero 8.75” with Ace AF1 60s and 54 mm conical fulls.
Also skated spots and parks new to me initially. Thankfully I still had my old shoes. Would’ve probably quit skating altogether had I not had some familiarity.
Went to a park I know at the end of the session and it started to feel not 100% horrible. Funny thing about this is that the new setup is way closer to what I usually like to skate than the old one but it felt so off.
Oh well. I think I’ll get used to the new setup within a few sessions. I still have a few big eggs & other funny shaped boards in my stack but I think I’ll be sticking to boards from 8.375” to 9” and 8.35” to 9” Aces, preferably classics and wheelbases from 14.5” to 14.75” as that has been working for me nicely before. Maybe I can use the big boards as cruisers as big cruisers can be fun.
So yeah, just wanted to vent about how new stuff actually fucking sucks and having the madness leads to skating new stuff too often.
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I just want you guys to know, i have sold or given away all of the trucks i dont currently have setup on a skateboard. Except my beat up Lurpivs which i have on display on a shelf, im sure they will be a good skate artifact eventually.
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Fuck a Christmas complete! I skated a completely new setup today due to madness and holy fuck did I hate it.
Been there done that. Also not with brand new, but some "interesting" (read: madness induced) complete/setup scraped and assembled from various parts found at home, maybe with some new purchases sprinkled in. I guess one loads up all kinds of expectations and hopes while setting up the complete. Usually at least partly totally irrational hopes and expectations...
Rainy days and winter breaks are bad for gear madness.
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I feel like a whole new setup is the most prime madness catalyst. even if youve got your setup figured out, you can set up a whole new board and just feel horrible.
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Gonna try only skating eagles again sticking with 8" to 8.25".
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Went to the shop to get some new shoes yesterday and resisted the urge to buy new decks/trucks/wheels that I don’t need. Small steps to recovery, feels good 😂
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Went to the shop to get some new shoes yesterday and resisted the urge to buy new decks/trucks/wheels that I don’t need. Small steps to recovery, feels good 😂
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Currently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)
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I've had both on that size deck and like the 144's. It's 1/16"/side there is no way you can see that when you are riding and 8.25" trucks are still narrow. They're also barely any heavier and for most flip tricks (probably all) you won't notice.
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I've had both on that size deck and like the 144's. It's 1/16"/side there is no way you can see that when you are riding and 8.25" trucks are still narrow. They're also barely any heavier and for most flip tricks (probably all) you won't notice.
You're right. I need to sell the 139s and stick with the 144s until I get this nonsense out of my head
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I just want you guys to know, i have sold or given away all of the trucks i dont currently have setup on a skateboard. Except my beat up Lurpivs which i have on display on a shelf, im sure they will be a good skate artifact eventually.
Congrats. It feels good!
You're right. I need to sell the 139s and stick with the 144s until I get this nonsense out of my head
I'm skating an 8" with Ace 44 (so same width). Like you, I was thinking "shit, should I get 139s for this deck?" before I finally realized I could just set it up and see what happened. Yeah, the difference is absolutely negligible. Flips just like a 139 but also has more room for curbs.
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That feeling when you build a christmas complete out of gear you hoarded out of boredom (check the quasi graphic hehe) and because you can. I'm telling myself its ok because they are all different sizes and offer different experiences.
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Currently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)
Unless you are planning to set up some really wide wheels for the 139s, I would stick to the 144s. Just my personal opinion but I don't like the tippyness of 139s on 8.125 decks. I have it way too deep in my head, that tippy setups cause ankle tweaks and I prefer the axles to be aligned with the deck. So, 144s on 8 to 8.25 decks sound great.
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Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?
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Currently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)
Unless you are planning to set up some really wide wheels for the 139s, I would stick to the 144s. Just my personal opinion but I don't like the tippyness of 139s on 8.125 decks. I have it way too deep in my head, that tippy setups cause ankle tweaks and I prefer the axles to be aligned with the deck. So, 144s on 8 to 8.25 decks sound great.
Especially on a deck as full shaped as Quasi. Do you plan on going back to 8.25 after the 8.125? If so the 144 is the move. Only having to adjust to one variable at a time can help with madness and if you’re going back up after this keeping the same set of trucks can maintain familiarity with your setup. Don’t overthink it.
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Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?
I went from 8.75 ish to 7.75 with Indy lows and mostly enjoyed for a couple years (only just kinda got over it) didn't skate much transition or hills or anything where you go too fast on it tho.
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Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?
I’m back on venture lo’s, and it’s my favorite. I leave the trucks stick. I have used flat washers in the past. This ain’t that, meaning…I don’t setup venture lo’s and expect ace turning.
52s are the biggest wheel o could see running, and 50s would be the ideal. I’m using 51 f4 classics. So be prepared for that.
I was skating 8.5s, with 8.5” trucks, before I made this switch. Now it’s 8” board, 8” venture lo’s, 51s, Mob (almost always used jessup previously), cupsoles (dunks). I do not want to skate my other setups.
I do not skate skateparks/transitions. I skat sparking lots, street, curbs. Works great for that. Absolutely need to take more pushes.
Bobby, Gino, Lavar…3 of my top 5 alltimers, venture lo’s. Bobby skating the harshest spots on sub 50mm wheels. If you want to make it happen you will. I prefer the stability, and if I have to take more pushes, I do that. If I was skating from spot to spot with others, or bombing hills in the city I’d be the slowest, but I skate by myself and do not care. I’m trying to land tricks in my old age and this setup helps me, considerably.
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Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?
I usually skate an 8.25 with thunder lights, but snapped a kingpin so used my backup setup for a couple months - 7.875" Magenta deck with 5.2 venture lows and 50mm wheels.
I enjoyed it as a vacation, but was glad to be back on the 8.25 to be honest, smaller boards are very chuckable, but almost too much so for me nowadays, easy to overflip tricks and slip off the board due to my big-ish feet. I enjoy skating small decks here and there but deffo feel like it's a quicker route to injury.
As for the Venture lows themselves, love them - i pretty much just skate flatground and ledges so they're perfect for rolling back and forth.
TL;DR - fun skinny setup is cool to have, but i couldn't use it as my sole board.
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Anyone out there transition from a bigger setup back to something smaller with Venture lows and actually enjoy it? Just rewatched the Puleo and Dill Bobshirt interviews and every time I see late 90’s/early 2000’s footage of dudes like that skating somewhat crusty East Coast spots on Venture lows I get the urge to try a setup like that. Also has anyone gone flat top washer on Venure lows? Did it help the turn at all?
I usually skate an 8.25 with thunder lights, but snapped a kingpin so used my backup setup for a couple months - 7.875" Magenta deck with 5.2 venture lows and 50mm wheels.
I enjoyed it as a vacation, but was glad to be back on the 8.25 to be honest, smaller boards are very chuckable, but almost too much so for me nowadays, easy to overflip tricks and slip off the board due to my big-ish feet. I enjoy skating small decks here and there but deffo feel like it's a quicker route to injury.
As for the Venture lows themselves, love them - i pretty much just skate flatground and ledges so they're perfect for rolling back and forth.
TL;DR - fun skinny setup is cool to have, but i couldn't use it as my sole board.
That’s my biggest concern. I don’t do well with running multiple setups at once so I’d need to completely commit to it for a couple months.
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Currently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)
Unless you are planning to set up some really wide wheels for the 139s, I would stick to the 144s. Just my personal opinion but I don't like the tippyness of 139s on 8.125 decks. I have it way too deep in my head, that tippy setups cause ankle tweaks and I prefer the axles to be aligned with the deck. So, 144s on 8 to 8.25 decks sound great.
Especially on a deck as full shaped as Quasi. Do you plan on going back to 8.25 after the 8.125? If so the 144 is the move. Only having to adjust to one variable at a time can help with madness and if you’re going back up after this keeping the same set of trucks can maintain familiarity with your setup. Don’t overthink it.
I think I'd sooner go down to 8.0 than back up to 8.25, but I'll make the 144s work on it if I do
And that's good advice. Changing one thing at a time is the move
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I recently tried solving the last bit of truck madness. I've been switching between Indy 149 titaniums and Ace AF1 55's on my 8.5 deck. I love how the Aces turn and I love riding around on them, but tricks are more difficult with their weight. I used one of my friends belt sander to make a set of Ace bushings the same size as the Indy ones. I haven't skated them yet, but I hope this will get a little bit of the Ace feeling into the lightweight Indy trucks :)
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I recently tried solving the last bit of truck madness. I've been switching between Indy 149 titaniums and Ace AF1 55's on my 8.5 deck. I love how the Aces turn and I love riding around on them, but tricks are more difficult with their weight. I used one of my friends belt sander to make a set of Ace bushings the same size as the Indy ones. I haven't skated them yet, but I hope this will get a little bit of the Ace feeling into the lightweight Indy trucks :)
Hopes, dreams, madness, they all intersect here on SLAP
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Thanks @Mbrimson88 I was basically thinking creature vs orange eagle but weirdly always found creature goes well with thunders and AH good with Indy even tho you'd think it more likely go the other way (or more likely it's just in my head)
Yes I totally get it, which is why I didn't try to recommend anything else, or other sizes, even though I did spend another half an hour looking through all the different bigger options from 8.6 up to 9.25 on OCD, but the options for choosing sizes and wheelbases are excellent to go through.
Madness is in full effect, thought I was a 8.25-lifer but 8.5 is feeling so good right now. Barely noticed the difference in width after the first session. Now I need to update my entire truck ecosystem for 8.5 decks, wonderful.
The tech guys I skate with usually ride the 8.25 sized trucks on 8.38 and 8.5 sized boards, so before you update too much, have a think about how much truck you actually want.
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I didn't too much about it and was enjoying the ride, until a friend pointed it out the axle being shorter than the board and now I can't stop thinking about it.
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just get some wider wheels or put washers on the inside. I've always noticed 8.25 trucks on an 8.5 board is a way better feeling.
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Now entering shoe madness. I was skating Crockett High for a while but kept getting hot spots in one foot when I'd sweat. One morning I got to the park and my Half Cabs were in the car and I was wearing slippers so I skated those and generally liked it. No hot spots. The weird part is, and this has to be mental. I feel way more confident to stomp 360 flips, heel flips, basically anything that I normally wasn't.
But Half Cabs do flop out a bit. I've got Tiagos and same thing vs the Crocketts. Haven't gotten used to the rear foot yet and some of my foot placement is weird, but somehow better flick. And I've got Rowan's that were in my closet which feel more like the Crockett.
I think the Crockett upper is too thin to be supportive for me and thus my foot moves around in the shoe. Now I'm chasing the dragon of the perfect shoe.
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Currently agonizing between Indy 139s and 144s on an 8.125 Quasi. The size and shape is perfect, but I just can't settle on the trucks. I previously had the 144s on an 8.25 and that was good, but I wanted smaller board to try to get some flip tricks back.
In my prime, I always skated trucks narrower than the board. I liked the look of it and the tippy feeling made flip tricks seem easier. Knowing the trucks are just 1/8 of an inch wider than the board now irked me so much I caved and got a set of 139s, which I have yet to set up.
I think the 144s might be the more versatile choice based on my preferences for wheels and boards. I'm willing to go down as small as an 8.0 and as wide as an 8.25 with 52-54 mm wheels.
I'm sure 144s would skate just fine on an 8.0 but I know I'd be a total headcase about the trucks being a whole 1/4 inch wider than my board. That said, I don't want to lose truck real estate with the 139s. I'm not great at grinds and I feel like the 144s would be more forgiving.
Writing this out seems fucking crazy
I should just be glad I'm letting myself settle on Indy for now after fucking around with Thunder and Venture (the truck of my youth which will inevitably pull me back again)
For some reason (madness), I prefer one notch wider trucks than my board nowadays. Ie. 144s with 8.1, 149s with 8.3/8.4. To compensate, I use classic or classic wide profile wheels. Seems to give bit stability and truck to grind, but doesn't hinder my old man's kickflips too much. Using wider profile wheels makes it feel way too heavy for me.
Homie just put 149s into 8.1 board, no problems or visible hotrodding.
So, try it out and hope that the madness evaporates...
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Is there anyone that makes an 8-8.125” squared off full shape similar to FA with a 14” WB that is on BBS wood? Really looking for that fat nose
Can’t skate ps stix anymore and would really like to keep skating this shape without giving all my money to FA
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Real makes 8.06 full with a 14 wb that should fit the bill.
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Having some madness about bushings. Skating the Thunder 149 lights, switched out to bones mediums but I don’t know if I like them.
Thinking about going back to the Thunder bushings but not sure if I should stick with the stock ones or get harder ones since ima bigger dude. I also had risers on my last two boards and have felt awful so I took them off. Hoping that helps
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I skate the best on Thunder standards and would skate nothing else if not for the baseplate, I find them perfectly manageable but as soon as I hop on someone else's setup I remember what a totally loose and thoughtless tailslide feels like.
Wouldn't bother me if they weren't one of my favourite tricks to do unfortunately.
Because of this I have been swapping between Thunder, Indy, Ace and Royal almost every skate recently, its never been this bad before.
If I could decide on one truck my madness would pretty much be cured, over the past few years I have nailed down my ideal setup aside from trucks. I know that I could probably stick to Indy standards as a sort of "true neutral" truck but the Thunder itch will always be in the back of my mind.
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I skate the best on Thunder standards and would skate nothing else if not for the baseplate, I find them perfectly manageable but as soon as I hop on someone else's setup I remember what a totally loose and thoughtless tailslide feels like.
Wouldn't bother me if they weren't one of my favourite tricks to do unfortunately.
Because of this I have been swapping between Thunder, Indy, Ace and Royal almost every skate recently, its never been this bad before.
If I could decide on one truck my madness would pretty much be cured, over the past few years I have nailed down my ideal setup aside from trucks. I know that I could probably stick to Indy standards as a sort of "true neutral" truck but the Thunder itch will always be in the back of my mind.
What put you off the royals? They seemed like a thunder Indy hybrid and to me? Pinch and quick pop like a thunder turn like an Indy.
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You forgot that Royals grind like Venture and pop light like Ace
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I did actually buy the Royals expecting them to solve all my problems, they certainly have the good qualities of Indy and Thunder but don't excel at anything.
I do really like them and could see them solving a lot of peoples truck madness.
For some reason the pinch wasn't working very well for me on the them, I think because the bushings have a certain mushiness and don't snap back to centre like Thunders. This also means they don't quite turn as nicely as Indy/Ace.
I also wasn't a fan of the hard grind as they still haven't broken in, yet the baseplate has worn down so fast that my wheels start to grab on slide tricks like Thunders.
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Is there anyone that makes an 8-8.125” squared off full shape similar to FA with a 14” WB that is on BBS wood? Really looking for that fat nose
Can’t skate ps stix anymore and would really like to keep skating this shape without giving all my money to FA
Primitive makes a deck like this. Their 8-8.25" decks all have a 14" wheelbase and BBS wood, with huge noses. However, they are not squared off in the same way as FA/Hockey, and the tails remind me a bit of Baker in that they are actually extremely round.
If you can get over skating a Primitive (I personally literally could not care any less), they're a great option.
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Is there anyone that makes an 8-8.125” squared off full shape similar to FA with a 14” WB that is on BBS wood? Really looking for that fat nose
Can’t skate ps stix anymore and would really like to keep skating this shape without giving all my money to FA
I got a FA 8.18 , 14 Inch wheelbase.
Alien Workshop has a 8.125 , 14 Inch. By 31,5.
Check the Mind Control deck. Pretty simular to a FA nose.
Habitat should also fit the bill.
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:
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Madness creeping back. Been on thunders. Decided I should give royals a fair shot. Cause when I tried them I think the deck was the issue super stiff and steep. I think I am doing this cause I haven’t got to skate in about a week so for some reason I decide the next time I skate I Shoukd use different trucks. It’s dumb. I’m dumb but here I am.
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
Get control of your life, loser.
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Took stock of my pile, 11 decks, 6 pairs of trucks, 6 sets of wheels but never enough hardware and so I keep reusing my shitty old ones. Should probably treat myself to a fresh pack, maybe some Mini Logo bearings since I'm feeling spendy.
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Stuff I need to sell:
-Brand new Indy 159
-Royal 144
-Pretty good 144 Indy Standard Hollow with extra hangers
-Carpet 8.38
-Prob Hockey 8.44 I bought on impulse.
-Huffer new in box
Come let give you my problems.
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:
In for this, I have way too much shit. I bagged up a bunch to take to No Comply to donate but never did, now it's just sitting under my desk
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:
In for this, I have way too much shit. I bagged up a bunch to take to No Comply to donate but never did, now it's just sitting under my desk
This is silly but I'm actually embarrassed to take my stuff to NC. Revealing myself as a hoarder in a shop setting is very hard to do haha. I wish House park or Mueller had a skate gear drop off sort of how I see those neighborhood libraries pop up in Austin. I can keep something like that pretty stocked for at least a few weeks.
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:
In for this, I have way too much shit. I bagged up a bunch to take to No Comply to donate but never did, now it's just sitting under my desk
No this is why I haven't dropped anything off lol
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This is what it feels like when my GF comes into my office where I have a mountain of gear. Room is feeling like a skateshop these days. If anyone is in ATX and needs some cheap gear, I can see what I can/need to do. Still not wanting to ship anything but maybe one of these days...
Same. I also feel conflicted about just leaving stuff at Brushy near the trash can. Need to know it's going to a good home! LOL.
ATX gear nerd swap meet? :shrug:
In for this, I have way too much shit. I bagged up a bunch to take to No Comply to donate but never did, now it's just sitting under my desk
No this is why I haven't dropped anything off lol
Just say you asked around and some more people donated
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I skate the best on Thunder standards and would skate nothing else if not for the baseplate, I find them perfectly manageable but as soon as I hop on someone else's setup I remember what a totally loose and thoughtless tailslide feels like.
Wouldn't bother me if they weren't one of my favourite tricks to do unfortunately.
Because of this I have been swapping between Thunder, Indy, Ace and Royal almost every skate recently, its never been this bad before.
If I could decide on one truck my madness would pretty much be cured, over the past few years I have nailed down my ideal setup aside from trucks. I know that I could probably stick to Indy standards as a sort of "true neutral" truck but the Thunder itch will always be in the back of my mind.
Literally the exact same relationship I have with thunders. Just switched to venture casts with TI hangers and I got to say I don't think Im going back. Same wheelbase (3.25") as a thunder hollow but 2mm taller and baseplate slide. I don't understand why thunder hollows are 51mm tall for a 8.5" truck its just too low and disproportionate.
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My madness had been quiet for awhile. It returned this week. For an unknown reason (oh, I know why....madness) I decided to (re)try two pieces of equipment (Thunder Team Hollows and a 14.25 wb deck...I ride Indy Forged Hollows and a 14.38 wb deck) that I've had before, more than once, and didn't like each time. So, on an intellectual level, I already knew what the result was going to be. But you know, sometimes the madness will make you think that if you try the same thing over and over again, there will be a different result. Well, surprise surprise, there wasn't. Within 10 min of skating these two things I knew the madness had bested me, again. I quickly took them apart, and put my regular set-up back together. Some kid at the park will soon be getting new trucks and a new deck--the madness does benefit some.
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We need more pics in this thread.
Here’s my madness collection.
Current setup and cruiser
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Shoes in use
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Some “extra” setups I moved to storage
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Some extra shoes that have been in use that I moved to storage
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Decks under my bed
(https://i.ibb.co/sQk4gqV/9-BB8-B3-B0-B479-4-DEC-8518-56-DD0554-A685.jpg)
Shoes still in their boxes
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Wheels
(https://i.ibb.co/b5P2GsW/7-D7-B975-D-7-F78-46-E4-AB0-B-E5127-A60-A3-FF.jpg)
Griptape
(https://i.ibb.co/JyxDXjV/50-F76556-48-B9-43-E0-8449-A9877-BABE556.jpg)
Trucks and truck stuff
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Rails
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Nuts and bolts and whatever
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Shoe laces & other shoe stuff
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My latest purchases that I got today 😬
(https://i.ibb.co/nmKtxkp/A106113-B-EE80-49-EE-B6-A3-E0809978-B9-D0.jpg)
Please tell me that I have a problem.
I don’t go through stuff fast enough to justify having this much gear. I use shoes until the sole has a hole. Decks I skate for months. Wheels last me a good while. Trucks too. Bearings I clean and maintain instead of throwing out. I could probably not buy any skate stuff for 10 years and still be fine.
I have so much different kind of stuff cuz I try to find the holy grail setup that’ll make me a great skater, which will never happen anyway. 😊
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@Roisto thanks. Now my stack of 5 and 2 riders doesn’t seem so bad…
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My lord that makes me look sane. There's simply no way you could go through that in a year if you rode a new deck every 2 weeks. It's not like anything in that pile is a really unique release.
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My lord that makes me look sane. There's simply no way you could go through that in a year if you rode a new deck every 2 weeks. It's not like anything in that pile is a really unique release.
That’s been my strategy to make myself feel better about buying way too much gear - especially decks. I’ve been skating decks for only like two or three weeks each and moving onto the next one. Unless I feel some unique connection to the used deck I usually just leave it at the skatepark and move on. I think I’m down to four decks (two might be like collector/wall hangers moreso), three sets of trucks, and two sets of wheels that are truly unskated. As long as I skate the gear for a little bit I think the purchase is semi worth it. Especially with shaped decks it’s more of an “experience” to try different ones. Buying trucks and wheels though is usually a complete waste of money for me and I end up back on Indys and some conservatively practical Spitfire F4 shape and size…
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I've bee pretty settled for a bit now- Thunders on a pretty standard shape with a 14.38. Oddly 14.38 is never in the shapes I want to buy so in gaslighting myself about my decision and options and often considering things that didn't historically work.
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nice purge,
this thread makes me sad
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My madness had been quiet for awhile. It returned this week. For an unknown reason (oh, I know why....madness) I decided to (re)try two pieces of equipment (Thunder Team Hollows and a 14.25 wb deck...I ride Indy Forged Hollows and a 14.38 wb deck) that I've had before, more than once, and didn't like each time. So, on an intellectual level, I already knew what the result was going to be. But you know, sometimes the madness will make you think that if you try the same thing over and over again, there will be a different result. Well, surprise surprise, there wasn't. Within 10 min of skating these two things I knew the madness had bested me, again. I quickly took them apart, and put my regular set-up back together. Some kid at the park will soon be getting new trucks and a new deck--the madness does benefit some.
Honestly very proud of you for this. I did the same except a full session with Ventures I had on hand after skating Indy hollows for a few months. Had a bad session and as soon as I got home swapped back and have been madness free since. Occasionally the thought to swap something creeps in but my wallet deserves to be treated better. I've axled trucks before but not for awhile and I'm trying to get there again.
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A good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.
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Damn thought I was bad but lookin at all y'alls shit I am a perfectly sane, upstanding citizen
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A good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.
This is the key. That’s the main reason I took all those photos of my stuff.
Also please everyone don’t use my madness as a justification for your own (lesser) madness. It’s good to hear you guys are doing better but it can still be a burden and get out of hand quick.
I have a mate who has hundreds of shoes and decks and whatever so I’d say he’s more mad than I am but I will not tell myself that what I’m doing is ok cuz he’s much worse cuz I definitely have a problem.
Something I’ve realized lately is that if I don’t like a deck after giving it a fair chance, I can leave it at the park for someone else to enjoy and it really is a win-win situation. This has been mentioned many times in this thread also as an ailment for the madness. While it’s not a cure and can even make things worse if you use it for justification for getting more stuff, I feel it kinda puts things into perspective and letting go of your hoarded stuff can be quite liberating.
I’m now trying to skate through the stuff I have and not buy anything new unless I need it. I’m trying to focus on spending my money on home improvement stuff instead.
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A good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.
This is the key. That’s the main reason I took all those photos of my stuff.
Also please everyone don’t use my madness as a justification for your own (lesser) madness. It’s good to hear you guys are doing better but it can still be a burden and get out of hand quick.
I have a mate who has hundreds of shoes and decks and whatever so I’d say he’s more mad than I am but I will not tell myself that what I’m doing is ok cuz he’s much worse cuz I definitely have a problem.
Something I’ve realized lately is that if I don’t like a deck after giving it a fair chance, I can leave it at the park for someone else to enjoy and it really is a win-win situation. This has been mentioned many times in this thread also as an ailment for the madness. While it’s not a cure and can even make things worse if you use it for justification for getting more stuff, I feel it kinda puts things into perspective and letting go of your hoarded stuff can be quite liberating.
I’m now trying to skate through the stuff I have and not buy anything new unless I need it. I’m trying to focus on spending my money on home improvement stuff instead.
Displaying your stash of gear can work but you have to only do it every now and then for maximum shock value. Leave it out too long and get used to it and you will just think its normal. Basically how hoarding works.
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A good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.
This is the key. That’s the main reason I took all those photos of my stuff.
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A good first step is to layout your entire stash in front of your eyes, so you can visually acknowledge your madness. I had so more decks and shoes that I forgot I had bought because I became an expert at squirreling stuff away. I was only last week when I moved to a new pad did I realize I had 8 pair of brand new skate shoes and 15 decks.
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Madness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."
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So i went down to ventures and 7.875 and I'm landing so much more stuff. 14 inch wheelbase
I wanna start going back to the park again. Will I eat shit on this small board?
I've never tried these ventures in the bowl
Was thinking of picking up an 8 inch creature or something w bigger nose/tail because I like those for transition
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So i went down to ventures and 7.875 and I'm landing so much more stuff. 14 inch wheelbase
I wanna start going back to the park again. Will I eat shit on this small board?
I've never tried these ventures in the bowl
Was thinking of picking up an 8 inch creature or something w bigger nose/tail because I like those for transition
So you are going to buy a board, in advance, because you might eat shit?
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So i went down to ventures and 7.875 and I'm landing so much more stuff. 14 inch wheelbase
I wanna start going back to the park again. Will I eat shit on this small board?
I've never tried these ventures in the bowl
Was thinking of picking up an 8 inch creature or something w bigger nose/tail because I like those for transition
Don't think .125 is enough to really make a difference. Do 8 inch boards usually have nose and tail all that much bigger than a 7.875? My guess is probably also too small a difference to really matter that much.
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So i went down to ventures and 7.875 and I'm landing so much more stuff. 14 inch wheelbase
I wanna start going back to the park again. Will I eat shit on this small board?
I've never tried these ventures in the bowl
Was thinking of picking up an 8 inch creature or something w bigger nose/tail because I like those for transition
Maybe go to the park with this setup that makes you actually land shit?
Unless you're talking about some big transition, this makes no sense.
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Trigger warning: Madness inducing
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Madness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks
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Ive just never ridden a 14 inch wheelbase or ventures in the big bowl.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MADNESS THREAD!!
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Good point. Im in my head. Will try if i eat shit will report back.
My friend sold a 800 dollar surfboard after one session…… fucking mental now he wants to buy another almost the same.
MADNESS
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Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
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Ive just never ridden a 14 inch wheelbase or ventures in the big bowl.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MADNESS THREAD!!
This is the "try to keep pals from indulging in madness" thread
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Trigger warning: Madness inducing
And sorry for double post
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Madness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks
This.
Goddamn.
Buying shit to skate it for 10 minutes and then declaring that it doesn’t work? Holy fuck. Extra crispy.
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Trigger warning: Madness inducing
And sorry for double post
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Madness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks
so true
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I took it one step further and had a detailed spreadsheet of every combo, when I ran it, how long, etc. I compared every single trick.
Then I just said fuck it and put Thunders on cuz I vaguely recalled skating better on them and bam- I did!
But then it started madness over. Like, I didn't like 14.5 as much on Indy's, but it feels more agile on Thunders. So back in that boat.
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Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
For sure!
The amped up production of most woodshops post lockdown issues exceeded demand and now many shops are sitting on way too much of everything, but especially decks, given some graphics don't age well (even though the wood is still fine) and so many are on clearance at even lower prices than almost any other bargains and deals I have seen, not to mention some shops just trying to clear stock to be able to pay rent.
I have had to stop buying entirely now, cause there were just too many good deals and there is only so much I could use, before it starts to get to the point of needing to do some clearing out myself.
At least I can pick and choose what I do want to keep now and move some of the other things I am less likely to ever use or ride.
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Ive just never ridden a 14 inch wheelbase or ventures in the big bowl.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MADNESS THREAD!!
This is the "try to keep pals from indulging in madness" thread
No, this is the "trying to keep up with other pals madness" thread.
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And sorry for double post
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Madness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks
so true
That's our recovery mantra from here on - GIVE IT TWO DAMN WEEKS
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Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
For sure!
The amped up production of most woodshops post lockdown issues exceeded demand and now many shops are sitting on way too much of everything, but especially decks, given some graphics don't age well (even though the wood is still fine) and so many are on clearance at even lower prices than almost any other bargains and deals I have seen, not to mention some shops just trying to clear stock to be able to pay rent.
I have had to stop buying entirely now, cause there were just too many good deals and there is only so much I could use, before it starts to get to the point of needing to do some clearing out myself.
At least I can pick and choose what I do want to keep now and move some of the other things I am less likely to ever use or ride.
Not true for my locals. Their DLX boxes have been consistently late to the point where they sometimes get their last 2 orders and current order at once. Then the shop has to have a sale cuz they have so much tied up in that inventory.
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Not sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
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Not sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
Just checked my closet and it seems all my standard 874s are made in Honduras and all my 874 Flexes are made in Nicaragua.
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Not sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
Just checked my closet and it seems all my standard 874s are made in Honduras and all my 874 Flexes are made in Nicaragua.
Oh damn thanks! Wonder if they've changed some stuff up for their 100 year anniversary. I hope they're not lowering quality. These are the new waist bands. Got these from the Dickies website here in the UK.
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It is not uncommon for different markets to be manufactured in different countries due to various trade agreements, customs fees, and shipping costs. Issues in QC generally come when that work is outsourced or done in a contracted factory, but lots of big companies have the same equipment in their facilities.
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Yeah could be that's just what you get in the UK now. Was a kind of scam these big bargain factory outlet places in Aus used to do. They'd have Nike's Adidas Levi's whatever but it was all from South Asia so it's not technically fake or anything it's just not what was actually meant to be sold in aus
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Not sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
The ones I have from pre Covid times were all Honduran made(from Dickies site). I just ordered 5 pair 2 weeks ago(again from Dickies site) and they are all made in Mexico. The legs are anywhere from 1/2” - 1” longer than the Honduran made and vary within all the ones I got. I washed one pair so if I hate the length they’ll become shorts and the rest are going back.
Sucks. I loved the standard 874s but looks like I might be going to Bens again.
Anyone else notice the lengthening in the Mexico made?
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It is not uncommon for different markets to be manufactured in different countries due to various trade agreements, customs fees, and shipping costs. Issues in QC generally come when that work is outsourced or done in a contracted factory, but lots of big companies have the same equipment in their facilities.
Oh damn okay that actually makes a ton of sense. Thanks for the help. Kinda put me at ease knowing that.
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Not sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
Sucks. I loved the standard 874s but looks like I might be going to Bens again.
Anyone else notice the lengthening in the Mexico made?
Oh damn that's strange. I wonder how they'll hold up to the original ones. Hopefully they're just the same but made in a different factory like the guy above you said.
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And sorry for double post
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Madness Pro-Tip: Keep notes about stuff you try (e.g. 14" wheelbase is too cramped. Feels like ollie power is lost. Unstable on transition, etc.). Keep notes about how many times you've tried something (e.g. third time on a 14" wb, and hated it every time). Next time are you tempted to try/buy something new, check your notes. "Oh, trying a 14" wb for the fourth time isn't going to suddenly make me like it and/or end with a different result."
The problem I've found with this madness in skateboarding is that what you're explaining isn't really true (for me).
The reason is that you can get used to a new setup pretty fast if you allow it and skate it for 2 weeks no matter if it feels right. A perfect feeling setup you absolutely loved can feel like shit after getting used to something else. So after trying some other shit, that 14wb deck could actually feel perfect even after you hated it 3 times.
BUT don't go there. The conclusion is to just give whatever you have a chance, after a few sessions you get used to it and it's your new perfect setup and everything else will feel worse.
And if you switch again, in the process of getting used to the new setup, you'll never reach the point of getting used to anything at all, thereby fueling your madness.
Give it two damn weeks
This.
Goddamn.
Buying shit to skate it for 10 minutes and then declaring that it doesn’t work? Holy fuck. Extra crispy.
I think this is about for how long I skate Thunders, but at least they were free.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Chu2K7QJfKw/
Whether this is just a rebranding of their current shapes into new naming schemes or brand new shapes altogether, I think we are at the cusp of a new depth of madness.
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Not sure if this belongs here but...
Just bought some 874s and they've changed a few things on them and now I'm tweaking out that they won't be as good as the original ones. They've changed the print on the waistband which was the dead giveaway. They're using different zips and hook and eye closure and they've changed the factory which is what's concerning me the most. Basically Dickies cost a ton over here so that's why I'm tweaking.
Can anyone with some 874s check where yours were made please? I think it's usually Honduras but the updated ones I have were made in Bangladesh.
Thanks
Sucks. I loved the standard 874s but looks like I might be going to Bens again.
Anyone else notice the lengthening in the Mexico made?
Oh damn that's strange. I wonder how they'll hold up to the original ones. Hopefully they're just the same but made in a different factory like the guy above you said.
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It is not uncommon for different markets to be manufactured in different countries due to various trade agreements, customs fees, and shipping costs. Issues in QC generally come when that work is outsourced or done in a contracted factory, but lots of big companies have the same equipment in their facilities.
Oh damn okay that actually makes a ton of sense. Thanks for the help. Kinda put me at ease knowing that.
In Australia they have always been high priced "fashion pants" more than work wear, so unless they were on a really good clearance sale, I never really bought any locally.
I always found it curious that when I found somewhere to order bulk pants lots from USA to AU from uniform wholesaler type places, going back almost twenty years, there would be so many inconsistencies even then, including with the USA made Dickies, although there certainly were no where near as many size and length differences as there have been more so in the last ten years.
The most recent versions here seem almost a cheap looking knock off compared to the old ones, these ones coming from a few different places, China mostly but others as mentioned, Mexico, Honduras, Nicaragua and others I can't recall right now, but they still hold up fine and don't have any issues.
I usually size up and put a belt in them and as much as the same exact size, colour and style can be different, I find if I make them work for certain things, eg the weird lengths as said cut off, the looser leg skate in and wear with bigger shoes like Half Cabs, the not so wide leg wear more for other things and not skating, etc.
It might be a different story if you only bought a pair or so at a time, or had more specific needs, but I live in mine, 24/7 so it is not such a big deal for me, for work, skate, everything.
For those people in USA, are the cheaper Walmart pants significantly different to the ones from other places like uniform shops and disposal stores? Some people had said definitely, but others said there is no difference. That is not even considering fashion shops, but I am really only talking about the 874 style, none of the other ones.
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I buy them in bulk as well since I can’t stand the Cintas work pants(besides it saves me $ on uniform services since I only get their shirts). The material seems to be the same, although I haven’t gotten to wearing the Mexico made yet. It looks like they just screwed the sizing in length up. I wear 28L and these are closer to a 30L. I can’t stand having the heels of my pants dragging. So I get a certain size for that reason. 20+ years and the length was consistent(for mine at least) and now they’re way long and varied lengths at that.
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I buy them in bulk as well since I can’t stand the Cintas work pants(besides it saves me $ on uniform services since I only get their shirts). The material seems to be the same, although I haven’t gotten to wearing the Mexico made yet. It looks like they just screwed the sizing in length up. I wear 28L and these are closer to a 30L. I can’t stand having the heels of my pants dragging. So I get a certain size for that reason. 20+ years and the length was consistent(for mine at least) and now they’re way long and varied lengths at that.
It defeats the purpose of buying pants at the specific size if you have to get them altered, but lots of people I know do just that. No matter what they are like, some people will get them taken up or taken in down in the lower leg or all sorts of other things.
Gotta admit when the Mahogany brown colour was discontinued, I bought lots of runout stock with the longer leg to get them taken up and they are still my favourite skate pants, but usually for anything else, the 32 length works well enough.
In saying that, if they don't fit nicely for length, they become shorts, or they find another home.
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…and it’s back. I’ve been on 8.25 with 148 Thunder for a while now and I’m peeking over the fence at Thunder 149s again. I had sold off my 149s and here I am thinking about buying another set. Talk me out of it or into it. Whatever.
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Put 2-3 extra washers inside and try it out.
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Put 2-3 extra washers inside and try it out.
I don’t know why I forget that this is an option. Thanks dude!
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Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
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Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4
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Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use
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For spots of wax the grip gum doesn’t work from my experience.
What I’ve done is melt the wax with a hairdryer for example and soak it into a paper towel. If you want to make it a bit cleaner looking it’s probably better to put the towel there before melting the wax. Grip will not look spotless but it’ll work just as new.
I’m all for regripping a board when the grip is worn out but trying to keep it looking nice is useless at least where I skate so I don’t bother and I actually enjoy when it looks well used if it still functions good.
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I actually managed to retain myself today. I had the idea to give my Ace AF1 55’s another try, but I stuk to my Indy 149 Titaniums. I was glad I did so, I felt like I was getting more used to the setup and I really appreciated the light weight :) The turn of the Aces is nice, but my tricks just feel easier and more controlled on the Indies.
So in other words, as I already know, and as most people already know, it does actually help to stick to a certain setup… It’s a miracle.
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I actually managed to retain myself today. I had the idea to give my Ace AF1 55’s another try, but I stuk to my Indy 149 Titaniums. I was glad I did so, I felt like I was getting more used to the setup and I really appreciated the light weight :) The turn of the Aces is nice, but my tricks just feel easier and more controlled on the Indies.
So in other words, as I already know, and as most people already know, it does actually help to stick to a certain setup… It’s a miracle.
Well done!
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Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use
You can buy a giant one at harbor freight
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Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use
You can buy a giant one at harbor freight
Gonna need a link to that one.
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Just get one on Amazon. I use them to clean sanding belts on my sanders and they have some cheap ones that work pretty damn well. It acts kind of like a pencil eraser but absorbs particles and then sheds/erases off.
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Had a friend that ordered a deck online and sent it back cuz it was a I on the press DLX. Quite bad.
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I'm about to set up my Polar deck, which in true Polar fashion, have completely wrong wheelbase measurement. Its suppose to be 14.125", but its more like 14.4". Therefore i'm tempted to slap indy's on, instead of using my trusty thunders. Thoughts?
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My thought is that it’s going to be more difficult to adjust to a different truck than it is a wheelbase difference of a fraction of an inch.
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My thought is that it’s going to be more difficult to adjust to a different truck than it is a wheelbase difference of a fraction of an inch.
I second this.
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Also those Polar decks are 14.25 so you're measuring it wrong and it's even less than you think.
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Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use
You can buy a giant one at harbor freight
Gonna need a link to that one.
https://www.harborfreight.com/sanding-belt-cleaner-30766.html
was curious just how big it was & found this
(https://wac.edgecastcdn.net/001A39/prod/media/t7kuhATX6jW2ChSsite/9600134C286A92556D3E9F44F96155AB.app1_1579299691797_1_L1800.jpeg)
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Regripped my board. It wasn’t dusted and I’ve been skating it well so I figured re-grip rather than set a new one up. Went skating today, now have wax spots. Super hot in AZ. Now I’m thinking of regripping it. Yet again. I have plenty of grip but the board is solid. No chips and plenty of pop. Plus I like it when I’ve done a good job on the scratch off underneath. Nose and tail and center look properly beat. Am I crazy.
Yeah sounds like it. You ever tried a cleaning eraser?
https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Eraser-Stick-Abrasive-Sanding/dp/B000H69U7G/ref=sr_1_4?crid=32BXBF7B4KTSR&keywords=belt+sander+cleaner&qid=1661649212&sprefix=belt+sander+cleane%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-4
Seriously these are the shit! One guy who's really good at skating at my local is super OCD about having clean grip so he always has one with him and he got me onto it.
I only use it on larger bits of dirt and crud that annoy me but it's so good to be able to keep my grip fairly uniform without splodges of crap. Just don't get into the trap of spending all session or evening cleaning your grip. I've seen my friend behind a ramp obsessively rubbing his grip a few times 😂
Enjoi make a nice hard one and mob make a soft one. I reckon harder is easier to use
You can buy a giant one at harbor freight
Gonna need a link to that one.
https://www.harborfreight.com/sanding-belt-cleaner-30766.html
was curious just how big it was & found this
(https://wac.edgecastcdn.net/001A39/prod/media/t7kuhATX6jW2ChSsite/9600134C286A92556D3E9F44F96155AB.app1_1579299691797_1_L1800.jpeg)
Dope, thank you. I need some extended clamps and was planning on going to HF this weekend anyway!
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I'm about to set up my Polar deck, which in true Polar fashion, have completely wrong wheelbase measurement. Its suppose to be 14.125", but its more like 14.4". Therefore i'm tempted to slap indy's on, instead of using my trusty thunders. Thoughts?
Which deck? And are you for sure measuring correctly?
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I have a Polar 8.25 deck lined up next. But it is like 2 years old soon. Dane Brady Kiosk graphic. The wheelbase there is like 14.3"
But I don't know how they are on more recent decks.
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Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
I stockpiled. Element just had a big sale, $35 boards, all bbs wood, not hyped on the graphics but that with the spend $150 get $50 off I went a little bit nuts blew a paycheck on 20 boards. Of course now that means I have to skate these boards knowing all of them have this stubby 6.45” Flat-ish tail. Time to put my thunders back in the rotation I suppose.
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Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
I stockpiled. Element just had a big sale, $35 boards, all bbs wood, not hyped on the graphics but that with the spend $150 get $50 off I went a little bit nuts blew a paycheck on 20 boards. Of course now that means I have to skate these boards knowing all of them have this stubby 6.45” Flat-ish tail. Time to put my thunders back in the rotation I suppose.
It's a funny one!
People I know turn their noses up at those kind of sales, but I would rather get a board with good wood and bad graphic for cheap than pay excessive amounts for the same wood, but the spend / save ratio is a lot higher for me in that regard.
I can always paint or blank the board and it still skates the same as any other and I get three boards for the same price as just one of the better boards, so in that regard I am not worried about anything else.
What size did you get with that short of a tail? Most I see are at least 6.5 and up, but I do ride the bigger boards too, usually 8.38s and 8.5s.
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Just thought about this gear madness for a bit and now I'm extremely glad it hit me as a relatively young person (27). After getting on slap and watching ben degros, finding out about all these differences and trying stuff, it basically destroyed my skating for more than a year. I'm over it now, making progress again and not switching any gear until it breaks because there's simply nothing to gain from it.
I imagine if you're getting into the madness at 40+, only trying new stuff, losing all the progress you've made while not having the time and energy to fully get everything back, it must be shattering.
Let's try to keep more people from doing this to themselves.
Tell your story.
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Got an idea. Does gear madness worsen for people who tend to skate the same spots/parks regularly? When I was younger and would pretty much skate a new spot or park every week I'd basically use the same gear and be concentrating on how to skate the spot. Now I'm old and broken I basically skate the same places all the time and when shits not working start to focus on how I'd want different gear etc
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Got an idea. Does gear madness worsen for people who tend to skate the same spots/parks regularly? When I was younger and would pretty much skate a new spot or park every week I'd basically use the same gear and be concentrating on how to skate the spot. Now I'm old and broken I basically skate the same places all the time and when shits not working start to focus on how I'd want different gear etc
For sure, and then you keep skating the same stuff because before trying a new spot, you first need to get used to the new gear. Pushing the madness into a positive feedback loop, only getting worse.
For me it started from always reading on slap that you should skate thunders on a short wheelbase. I'm 5'8" or so and rode thunders on a 14.4"wb so I wondered if there's actually something to gain by changing decks/trucks.
There wasn't..
It's all personal preference and simply what you're used to. No rules
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have went a bit mad and had to buy Spitfire F4s, Ace Trucks, and a 8.5" board just because they were lacking in my life
i havent hardly skated it at all because i have a 9.125" setup and a 8" setup
if i can find like 6 more bearings i could have a 4th setup.
(https://i.imgur.com/aXmzefv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QKKIEFs.jpg)
8" Isle deck - Paul Shier
Ventures (8")
Bones wheels i got in germany ~2013, maybe 50mm left
$10 abec 5's
8.5" The Ward (Guelph, ON Canada shop. board done by Chapman / Clutch)
Indy 139s forged hollow (still have the iron cross logo)
Spitfire F4 Mark Suciu 99a (Conical Full)
Bones Super Swiss
9.125" Primitive Egg Frankie Villani
Ace AF1 60 Polished
OJ 58mm(down to like 56) 95a Natas Kaupas
Bronson G3
4th rain setup would fit nicely;
8.75" Anti Hero Blue Meanie
Indy 159 Forged Hollow stage 11 (grinded down to axle though)
Bones STF 104a (down to ~49mm)
~Need Bearings~
Considering switching the Ventures from the 8" setup over to the 8.5" setup, i feel like it makes more sense to have Ventures with the Spitfires. Put the STF onto the 8" setup because its just meant to be a small techy setup anyway (hence the ventures) and then have the slightly bigger softer wheels for the rain cruiser.
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Got an idea. Does gear madness worsen for people who tend to skate the same spots/parks regularly? When I was younger and would pretty much skate a new spot or park every week I'd basically use the same gear and be concentrating on how to skate the spot. Now I'm old and broken I basically skate the same places all the time and when shits not working start to focus on how I'd want different gear etc
That's kind of bass ackwards because the best part of different gear is catering it to the terrain you're skating. Since I mostly skate park I've been able to narrow my setup options down to find the "goldilocks" setup. Of course the other element to that is the type of tricks you're doing at said spots.
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Got an idea. Does gear madness worsen for people who tend to skate the same spots/parks regularly? When I was younger and would pretty much skate a new spot or park every week I'd basically use the same gear and be concentrating on how to skate the spot. Now I'm old and broken I basically skate the same places all the time and when shits not working start to focus on how I'd want different gear etc
I can relate to this feeling.
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Heads up….I kinda think while the rest of the world is dealing with supply chain issues, this season at least, there is a bloated supply of decks….shops will be/are blowing them out. Stock pile….or don’t…..
I stockpiled. Element just had a big sale, $35 boards, all bbs wood, not hyped on the graphics but that with the spend $150 get $50 off I went a little bit nuts blew a paycheck on 20 boards. Of course now that means I have to skate these boards knowing all of them have this stubby 6.45” Flat-ish tail. Time to put my thunders back in the rotation I suppose.
It's a funny one!
People I know turn their noses up at those kind of sales, but I would rather get a board with good wood and bad graphic for cheap than pay excessive amounts for the same wood, but the spend / save ratio is a lot higher for me in that regard.
I can always paint or blank the board and it still skates the same as any other and I get three boards for the same price as just one of the better boards, so in that regard I am not worried about anything else.
What size did you get with that short of a tail? Most I see are at least 6.5 and up, but I do ride the bigger boards too, usually 8.38s and 8.5s.
All 8.25s except I did get one Madars deck deck that’s an 8.38 which is pointier than what I prefer but it’s gonna be cool to try. I know 6.45 isn’t crazy short, but they have a lot of flat beyond the bolts almost the same as the 8.25 toy machines I had that makes me feel like it’s shorter in my head. I got used to the 6.8” rounder tail on the girl G052 boards I skated before this so it definitely is taking some adjustment.
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Coming back from not skating for a while, I wanted to optimize my setup, so that I wouldn't have to think about. Couldn't blame it for anything, just skate. Try to make it kind of generic.
I came up with that 8.25" or 8.5" were my ideal deck sizes.
Figured 8.38" was the middle ground for trucks
and 54mm for wheels.
But to work with the deck widths, I wanted flush wheels/grind space, so 8.5" or 8.75" are my truck options. And to have the biggest wheels I can without too much wheelbite, the trucks and wheels I decided on are cast venture hi's, cast indy's, or aces, with 54-56mm 99a F4's depending on truck brand. Hollows if available.
I think the best setup for hill bombing is probably a cast venture Hi 6.1, on an 8.5 deck, with 54/55mm conical fulls
For pools and stuff, a cast Indy 159, on an 8.5, with 56mm conical fulls sounds right.
The one I ended up going with, that I'm skating right now is Ace AF1 55's, on an 8.25", with 54mm OG classics. This could be the one. Definitely the easiest to skate. Different wheels could make it easier maybe.
I think a shaped 9.25 with a shorter wb or the front truck drilled back, risers and 57-59mm wheels would be tight, on like 9" aces or 169s... And to fix pop angle I could slap a tail skid on there
Over the years I've skated everything from 7.25" to 10" for decks, 129's to 169's, and ~44 to 64mm wheels, venture lows, thunders of most heights and sizes, indys of many different stages and heights, and now some AF1's.
Honestly only really curious about venture hi 5.8's and 6.1's. Might set up two identical boards, one with venture highs and one with aces, and see which one I like better. I feel like indys are right in the middle of those two and I've skated all the indys but 109's and 215's.
Indy is definitely the most common truck I think, shame about stage 9 and 10, shame about the marketing.
Spitfire F4's are the most common/popular wheel, p sure
I think the AH eagles/Baker logo decks are the best generic looking decks
IDK what the hell I'm talking about, thanks for coming to my ted talk
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Okay so, I think it is on me to bring this thread back.
I was looking for a solution. Something thin and kinda stiff to put under the regular insole of vulc shoes. To make the shoes a bit more stiffer. I used what I found in my apartment. I used cardboard from a pack of pizza and griptape. I traced the outline of the existing insole on the cardboard, cut it out and put two layers of griptape on the cardboard. On the top and on the bottom of the cardboard "insole". Not gonna lie, I feel a bit insane, but so far I like it.
Any other ideas or recommendations for material are welcome. I was thinking some kind of thin plastic could work really well, but I am not sure.
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Okay so, I think it is on me to bring this thread back.
I was looking for a solution. Something thin and kinda stiff to put under the regular insole of vulc shoes. To make the shoes a bit more stiffer. I used what I found in my apartment. I used cardboard from a pack of pizza and griptape. I traced the outline of the existing insole on the cardboard, cut it out and put two layers of griptape on the cardboard. On the top and on the bottom of the cardboard "insole". Not gonna lie, I feel a bit insane, but so far I like it.
Any other ideas or recommendations for material are welcome. I was thinking some kind of thin plastic could work really well, but I am not sure.
Superfeet and lots of other companies make stiff heel supports that are designed for low volume shoes. They fit under your heel and arch. If you want full length you can try the Sole orthotics that have a plastic base under the foam.
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Okay so, I think it is on me to bring this thread back.
I was looking for a solution. Something thin and kinda stiff to put under the regular insole of vulc shoes. To make the shoes a bit more stiffer. I used what I found in my apartment. I used cardboard from a pack of pizza and griptape. I traced the outline of the existing insole on the cardboard, cut it out and put two layers of griptape on the cardboard. On the top and on the bottom of the cardboard "insole". Not gonna lie, I feel a bit insane, but so far I like it.
Any other ideas or recommendations for material are welcome. I was thinking some kind of thin plastic could work really well, but I am not sure.
Superfeet and lots of other companies make stiff heel supports that are designed for low volume shoes. They fit under your heel and arch. If you want full length you can try the Sole orthotics that have a plastic base under the foam.
What about one of those rubber mat things you out on a desk so you don't accidentally cut into the wood? I've got a bunch of carpet tiles that have rubber backing and have thought about cutting one into insoles before I think the rubber would be pretty similar to what's under the sponge in non skate line vans. In Aus there's a shop called Clarke rubber that has a million types of rubber and plastic sheets etc I'm sure there must be versions of this in every country where you could find something.
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I dunno man you're basically trying to make a midsole in a shoe that doesn't have one. Id recommend just roasting them out with a stiff insole and then getting something different.
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Okay so, I think it is on me to bring this thread back.
I was looking for a solution. Something thin and kinda stiff to put under the regular insole of vulc shoes. To make the shoes a bit more stiffer. I used what I found in my apartment. I used cardboard from a pack of pizza and griptape. I traced the outline of the existing insole on the cardboard, cut it out and put two layers of griptape on the cardboard. On the top and on the bottom of the cardboard "insole". Not gonna lie, I feel a bit insane, but so far I like it.
Any other ideas or recommendations for material are welcome. I was thinking some kind of thin plastic could work really well, but I am not sure.
Superfeet and lots of other companies make stiff heel supports that are designed for low volume shoes. They fit under your heel and arch. If you want full length you can try the Sole orthotics that have a plastic base under the foam.
Woolies has those thin three pack of fairly big flexible cutting boards that are under a mm thick but super sturdy and take a beating.
I wonder if something like that would work, if the shoe has enough room height wise to fit with everything else.
Some of the taller or blown out shoes have been good with those flat odor eater insoles - pretty much just thin rubber type of stuff, but as you are thinking something a little harder material would work well too and would not break up.
When I would put cardboard in the shoes, it would get sweaty and within a week just come apart from some serious sessions, so i would look for other things that would not get soggy.
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Came here to say flexible plastic cutting boards.
Used to glue them in my thin squishy running shoes as a 'rock plate' for backpacking, for keeping pointy rocks from poking my foot lol
I don't see the point of it in a skate shoe
Now I just use Sole footbeds in my hiking shoes... And ski boots, ice boots, etc etc. Sole don't work so well in some shoes(too wide) but superfeet are a little narrower. I wanna try some of the other superfeets, the softer ones, to put in like, blazers, classic vans, LRAB's, etc. The classic superfeets and the SOLE boys don't have shit for heel protection, but they're great for primo protection
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I liked the Sole Ultra in Half Cabs and use Superfeet RUN Comfort in my NB 440s. I've gotten a few friends to convert to these as well. NB sells a branded version for more money.
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I kinda want to try ventures but I have zero reason to do so. My setup with thunders is perfect.
Could get V-Lights 50% off and I'm thinking about it all the time. My main reason to actually buy them is to simply stop thinking about it at this point.
Only rolled around one somebodies setup with ventures once, hated the non-turn. But in my head it can't actually be this ridiculously bad, must have been his bushings or something.
I'd also kind of like to slide on baseplates...?
HELP
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The turn is the turn it would be really weird if his was an outlier. It is what it is you either get used to it or hack it to be close to what you want. V-lights won't feel like Thunders even tho they're lower. I liked them the least of any truck I have tried in modern times. They're light, but so damn long.
I also get interested in baseplate slide, but that is a factor for like 2 tricks if I don't wax the sides of the ledge. Your pop will be heavier and all of your timing will be altered except for a few basics. They will grind slower than Thunders. Is that worth a marginal difference in baseplate slide? I'd wager "no".
I also waver back to some form of Indy with my Thunder madness. Mostly because they pop well, turn well, and grind well plus the plate slide. But my tricks were not as consistent and leveled out, sometimes the turn was tooo loose, I didn't love the pop timing on the highs, and the wheelbite on forged is worse than Thunders for me. So I stay on what is working the best. Don't be fooled by the marketing!
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I've also been going back and forth between indy and thunder. But i've given Indy's some proper time now, and swapped the top bushing out for a harder one. My problem with indy's is that they are so turny that it screws up the setup for say hitting a ledge. But having a stiffer top bushing actually helped with some stability.
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I've been in the same boat switching between Indy's and Thunder's every time there is a hair across my ass.
As of recently I've removed the bottom washer on my forged plate thunders and I couldn't be happier, feels like I'm bridging the gap a bit. I don't know if I'm still honeymooning but so far it's the change I've been looking for.
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I've been in the same boat switching between Indy's and Thunder's every time there is a hair across my ass.
As of recently I've removed the bottom washer on my forged plate thunders and I couldn't be happier, feels like I'm bridging the gap a bit. I don't know if I'm still honeymooning but so far it's the change I've been looking for.
you are, good on you for acknowledging that as a possibility.
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My madness has mostly been shoes. I was rotating between Tiagos and 440s depending on the day and for some reason would feel I couldn't pop nollie tricks as high or back tail as high in Tiagos. Tried my old Half Cabs yesterday and was convinced there was a big difference, but my flick is far worse. So I spent 5 hours skating with 4 of it switching shoes and doing the same few tricks.
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Best thing I ever did regarding shoe madness was only skate one pair of shoes until they're done and only after that switch. I do the same thing with setups. I suck bad enough as it is. I don't need the adjustment period to different shoes and setups every session.
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I got the madness, and wanted to try out all sorts of different combos and sizes, and when they wouldn't work out I felt pretty guilty about hoarding gear and not using it, but I managed to set up 2 decent boards, made a setup for my kid, and Im getting some parts together for a Christmas complete for Christmas that I'm hoping will be the one..... Still have a few parts stashed though.
I know we all have to take it day by day.
Now let's all take part in Serenity.
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
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Hahaha... Sounds like me.
I was stuck on Ventures for a while but always wanted a bit more turn.
Went Thunders, Royals, and eventually Indy Titaniums....
The indy's felt all around good but madness came in for the mids specifically the forged hollow mids and something about them just feels right....
Much lower than I used to skate but no ghost pop and I can still ollie as high without extra effort.
Something just works.....
Also changed to South Central decks instead of Dwindle so higher kicks and deeper concave....
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
I’ve been here before. Here’s what I did. Put the larger wheels on the lighter trucks and mount them with risers on one board. Put the heavier trucks with the smaller wheels on another board. Now they’re both roughly the same. Then you can grab a setup based off the terrain you’re riding in reference to the wheels and after a few curb sessions with the heavier trucks they won’t feel so heavy. Set it and forget it.
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
I almost did this last night before i just put the ti's on with 1/16th risers
might have to give this a shot next
I’ve been here before. Here’s what I did. Put the larger wheels on the lighter trucks and mount them with risers on one board. Put the heavier trucks with the smaller wheels on another board. Now they’re both roughly the same. Then you can grab a setup based off the terrain you’re riding in reference to the wheels and after a few curb sessions with the heavier trucks they won’t feel so heavy. Set it and forget it.
The last thing i want is multiple "regular" boards. I've done this before when trying to compare things, and i feel like thats when im at my PEAK MADNESS. i have a lil quiver, but its just me regular board, zip zinger, polarizer, and a grimple football with soft wheels for crusty spots and dorking around.
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Think of it as one for home and one for the “office “? ;D
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I've gotten a new madness... My mind has come to the conclusion that 8.25 trucks suck. Its a "newer" size, so it cant be good. Therefore I'm considering to buy a pair of Thunder 147 (8.0" trucks) and just be done with it. Even tho I consider sizing up. I actually have 3 pairs of Thunder 148's. And the latest pair actually hangar then the rest, by 2mm... Production variance anyone? :D
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All truck sizes are completely arbitrary. The newest models have the freshest molds and will presumably feature the least variance between individual trucks of the same size. Run what ‘ya brung.
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I've gotten a new madness... My mind has come to the conclusion that 8.25 trucks suck. Its a "newer" size, so it cant be good.
Could not be further from the truth.
Run what ‘ya brung.
Hahaha... Sounds like me.
The indy's felt all around good but madness came in for the mids specifically the forged hollow mids and something about them just feels right....
Much lower than I used to skate but no ghost pop and I can still ollie as high without extra effort.
Something just works.....
Yeah, there is something about them that's got me as well...I've been on them for a minute and swapped some trucks around and even ti indys (same bushings) don't feel as good as the Forged Mids it's the height and different geo. The Royals are a very close second to the forged mids.
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I tried Mids recently again (friend had a set, was getting rid of them) and my pop felt really anemic compared to what I remembered. I wonder if the forged version would feel better since they're not boat anchors. But I really do like basically everything about Thunders and now have 148 and 149 hangers.
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Full ti's on thin risers still felt too light in the air and my board sounded.... off. I put the 149 ti hangers on cast baseplates. couple driveway tricks felt alright, wish me luck at the park this afternoon.
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I've always run Team/cast plates and ti hangers on thunders, best of everything. Not surprised it works with Indys. Personally the kingpin, to me, is the thing I want hollow the most as they're so heavy.
As for pop feel on forged mids, it doesn't feel that much different to me, we're talking 1.5mm to regular mds, you could try smaller wheels and see if that fixes anything before double dipping. I run my forged mids with 51m wheels as putting normal 52mm+ wheels on a low truck defeats the purpose...and let's be real here, 50.5mm is a low truck (for what NHS offers), not a mid.
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Word yah I don't see myself ever wanting less than 52 to start with, but I usually run wheels until they're about 50 or so.
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.
Indy makes cast hollows just get those and call it a day
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It's pretty damn marginal. I'm not sure Ti hangers are a ton lighter than hollow, it's just what I had. I prefer the sound of solid axles so it comes down to that.
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All truck sizes are completely arbitrary. The newest models have the freshest molds and will presumably feature the least variance between individual trucks of the same size. Run what ‘ya brung.
Or.... you could just bring a spare pair of trucks to the session and switch them out half way. Not that I would ever do something as silly as that.
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Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.
Indy makes cast hollows just get those and call it a day
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
its for your own good
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Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)
Just out of curiosity, are you getting tossed from wheel bite? Or just seeing rub marks?
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Ya dude you're in a fucking parallel universe of madness that most of us can't really fathom and we're just trying to pull you back to standard galaxy Earth.
Honestly at your weight I would stick with hollow axles. They are stronger as the inside is hardened as well. Ti axles are not strong, I'm 163lbs and have bent an Indy ti axle and I absolutely do not get gnar. I'd get the yellow bushings if I were you as well the 100A ones and I would recommend maybe some more standard sized wheels for less wheelbite. Otherwise you're going to end up with a 55mm truck with 5mm of risers and shit will be all fucked. You will pop and by the time your tail hits the ground a normal board would have already completed the trick.
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Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)
could try the hardest indy aftermarkets that are 96a i think? but they are also barrel instead of cone shape like bones so you might have less issue with the bite
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.
Indy makes cast hollows just get those and call it a day
Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
its for your own good
Thanks man, I think that I feel your sincerity, and I appreciate it.
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Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)
could try the hardest indy aftermarkets that are 96a i think? but they are also barrel instead of cone shape like bones so you might have less issue with the bite
Check my second picture, it’s them damn 96a yellow super hard Indy aftermarket bushings. They’re ever more squirrely than the Bones. Ideally I’d get 100a, or just learn to love “loose” trucks.
Ya dude you're in a fucking parallel universe of madness that most of us can't really fathom and we're just trying to pull you back to standard galaxy Earth.
Honestly at your weight I would stick with hollow axles. They are stronger as the inside is hardened as well. Ti axles are not strong, I'm 163lbs and have bent an Indy ti axle and I absolutely do not get gnar. I'd get the yellow bushings if I were you as well the 100A ones and I would recommend maybe some more standard sized wheels for less wheelbite. Otherwise you're going to end up with a 55mm truck with 5mm of risers and shit will be all fucked. You will pop and by the time your tail hits the ground a normal board would have already completed the trick.
Thanks man, coming back down to earth.
I can’t blame you for not reading through all my shit, but I already have the Indy yellows, check the second picture.
Good info about the TI vs. Hollow hangers. I didn’t know they weren’t as strong.
Promise I won’t keep escalating my truck height. Forged hollows should be 53,5mm + 3mm riser, should take me to 56,5 for 57mm wheels. I could go up just one more millimetre.
I only have the 57mm F4 radials, as of right now but I’ve been eyeing some 55-56mm 95a for the indoor wood park.
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Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.
So I guess I got to go a little higher.
Have bones hard bushings, and Indy super hards. The bones have the best rebound, and they’re not cranked down in yet, but I’m hesitant cause I read that they blow out fast if you mush them too much.
Here’s one “before” pic of the Indy 1/8 shock pad getting squished, and some of the DIY shit. I just did it with a power drill on the kitchen counter.
Any recommendations for 100a bushings that fit Indy’s?
(https://i.ibb.co/xMLnVrS/1-AB50645-C6-AA-4770-93-B1-C2465273-FAA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMLnVrS)(https://i.ibb.co/ZRQhQG0/27-FFD4-A9-C611-4842-8-E72-89-EC94970391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZRQhQG0)(https://i.ibb.co/Dfhjwwg/A18-F6-BBD-5-FE4-4-FE8-8327-8-B70-A482-D9-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dfhjwwg)(https://i.ibb.co/sq22DWq/C38-CB9-A4-157-E-4479-9866-607-C50471708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sq22DWq)
Just out of curiosity, are you getting tossed from wheel bite? Or just seeing rub marks?
Yeah I got tossed 3 times in 45 minutes with the 1/8” rubber pad and yellow Indy aftermarket bushings.
With the DIY riser and Bones Hards I only got sent to the floor once because of wheelbite on a backside kick turn. Toe side rear wheel, if it matters, is the worst one.
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Or I could just stick to the forged hollows + risers.
If you are positive about ti axles and don't want to buy more than one set of trucks at a time?
Absolutely.
Getting a lighter lower truck, you can always put risers under it, from less than 1mm shock pads (or cut up rubber from a bike tube) through the most common 1/8" general sizes to whatever height you like 1/4" or even 1/2", etc.
Old 80s setups pretty much all had 1/2" risers with 60+ mm wheels and most cruisers I set up for people have 1/4" risers for around 60-63 mm wheels nowdays too.
On the other hand, you can't make a heavy tall truck lower or lighter.
I think you’re right, better stick with the truck, and make it work. Cast plates can only be heavier than nylon risers. And shelling out for TI and then have them bend, would suck real bad.
Thanks everyone, I think I’m coming back down.
Still could use a recommendation for 100a bushings that fit.
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@Creachteach pretty sure someone said this already, but change out your conical bushings for barrels(try barrels top and bottom) that will severely limit your turn since barrels suck at diving into turns.
Cheapest easiest way. Even if you bought 2 sets to get 4 barrels you’d be out around $10 instead of $50+ for new trucks.
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@Creachteach pretty sure someone said this already, but change out your conical bushings for barrels(try barrels top and bottom) that will severely limit your turn since barrels suck at diving into turns.
Cheapest easiest way. Even if you bought 2 sets to get 4 barrels you’d be out around $10 instead of $50+ for new trucks.
This is great advice, I’ll try with barrel tops, as I still have the original ones that came with my trucks, that I can cut down if necessary :)
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My madness has gone from different truck brands to bouncing around on different types of indy's. Is this an improvement? Parts of me still want some thunder/venture snap in my life, but I just keep reminding myself that the sacrifices in turn/grind are not worth it. that seems to be working.
But now I'm between 144s and 149s, cant figure out what weight/height i want. and I cant decide between standard or hard black bushings, which is something i thought i figured out YEARS ago. I just bought a set of 149 standards thinking i would like the heft because the 144 ti's were kinda unwieldy in the air, but i was wrong, way too heavy. So now im back on 149 ti's with 1/16th risers to make them roughly the height of standards. Was swapping between 54 and 56mm classics too which is affecting the height/popfeel. AHHHHHH! please make this stop lol
My favorite Indy's were Ti hangers on cast plates. Lighter than hollows and they don't sound different cuz the axle isn't hollow.
Okay, this is interesting AF. So if I for some reason wanted the same setup. I’d have to get a set of Hollow Standards and the Forged TI, and then swap the plates and effectively make a set of Forged Hollows and a set of TI Standards?
Not gonna lie, it’s tempting, as I’d like very much to be free of using a riser with 56mm wheels, and the set of Forged Hollows could be set up for a cruiser, where I’m not so nit picky, cause I’ll have to use risers anyway.
But, it’s 216€\211$ worth of trucks.
Indy makes cast hollows just get those and call it a day
I had just bought these standards and I had ti 149s already. Would rather use what I've got if I can. I've had two sessions on the cast plates and ti hangers now on a 14.5 wb (was on 14.4). Everything feels great. 1/16th risers felt/sounded like shit on the full ti's. Idk how I rode risers for so long. I'll never run them on a non cruiser board again.
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The Real wood ones don't sound wack.
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Forged plates? Ignore what anyone else says about Ventures and just try them yourself. I have 3 sets of the v-hollows. They turn great, are stable, light, and are just generally a wonderful medium height truck. The only thing I occasionally change is swapping in 92a indy blue conicals but mostly I run them stock and love them.
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That wheelbase is short so the ventures should work fine……maybe a bit hefty in the nose but I think it would set up well. I believe in throwing in bones or at minimum consider a flat washer to get those trucks turning.
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Forged plates? Ignore what anyone else says about Ventures and just try them yourself.
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Yeah forged plates, I wanted the maximum possible wheelbase extension.
I've been wondering why the upper end of this truck wheelbase spectrum is rather lonely.
Venture reigning all alone, while there's krux, ace, film, mini logo, .. ? at the bottom and many in between. But above let's say +3.2 there's only thunder (, Polster,) and venture right?
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My Thunder Teams are same extension as Indy forged hollow. I sorta view it as +3" and below and then all else above 3 as a rough grouping.
I honestly think "effective wheelbase" doesn't matter. I've enjoyed 14.5 on Thunder way more than Indy standards on the same shape. I actually find it works better for me for many tricks where one would presume a shorter effective WB would be better.
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.
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Me too, certified by sticker
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.
LMAO
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.
Made me laugh, thanks.
Anything special about breaking in ventures? Leave everything stock? Immediate switch to flat top and bottom washer? Pretty hyped for this experiment now, gonna have them at the end of the week. I don't feel ready to post in the venture thread yet, I might never be.
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.
Made me laugh, thanks.
Anything special about breaking in ventures? Leave everything stock? Immediate switch to flat top and bottom washer? Pretty hyped for this experiment now, gonna have them at the end of the week. I don't feel ready to post in the venture thread yet, I might never be.
honestly, leave it stock (not tightness, tweak to your liking) at least for a little to see what it's like by default and then tweak from there
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
Well that's obviously because you're AWAKE now.
Made me laugh, thanks.
Anything special about breaking in ventures? Leave everything stock? Immediate switch to flat top and bottom washer? Pretty hyped for this experiment now, gonna have them at the end of the week. I don't feel ready to post in the venture thread yet, I might never be.
honestly, leave it stock (not tightness, tweak to your liking) at least for a little to see what it's like by default and then tweak from there
This is good advice for any kind of new truck unless you ride shit insanely tight or loose. If you Franken off the bat then you really never have a home base around how the truck was designed. You don't know if you are fixing or creating problems or if there are even any problems.
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I think my new AF1 55 Hollows just cured my truck madness. I liked the Indy Titaniums that I was skating, but I just found my board more fun to ride around on with Aces. The weight just made tricks more difficult for me as a mediocre skater…
The AF1 Hollows are the perfect combination between the awesome Ace turning while still giving my old legs street capabilities.
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Ben Degros has some cajones going on YouTube and documenting his madness. Recently claiming he could feel his trucks getting lower as he tightened his kingpin. I tested this with thunders and old bushings and the amount the truck actually moves is tenths of a MM unless the bushing blows. Then saying "ya they're not as durable but I also tried to obliterate them".
Just ride what ur feeling Ben, no need to justify to us who have the bug- we get it. It never leaves.
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Ben Degros has some cajones going on YouTube and documenting his madness. Recently claiming he could feel his trucks getting lower as he tightened his kingpin. I tested this with thunders and old bushings and the amount the truck actually moves is tenths of a MM unless the bushing blows. Then saying "ya they're not as durable but I also tried to obliterate them".
Just ride what ur feeling Ben, no need to justify to us who have the bug- we get it. It never leaves.
That made me laugh when I watched the video. Also the 100a bushings in the back and 90a in the front seems crazy. Are the 100a thunders really not that hard? Bushings harder than wheels is just wrong in my head
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They're fucking rocks. Even the 94 are pretty stiff. It's like going from Indy orange to yellow. I don't get how much he's cranking. Dudes like Jake Hayes and Chris Cole crank hard bushings and seem to not end up in weird situations.
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They're fucking rocks. Even the 94 are pretty stiff. It's like going from Indy orange to yellow. I don't get how much he's cranking. Dudes like Jake Hayes and Chris Cole crank hard bushings and seem to not end up in weird situations.
They are also thicc / tall bois, a medium hardness bushing would mush out and give them too much wheelbite.
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No they're not. I'm 6 foot 3 and 165 and skate mediums I've skated with Chris Cole and he is decently shorter than me and not thicc. He likes the consistency of cranked trucks. I haven't met Jake but maybe it's the same.
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Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
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What id do is just always bring 2 boards and when you wanna do smiths just tell ur friends you have to run to your car and get your smith board and then do one and then run back to get ur regular one.
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Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
Or: middle ground 8.5 setup?
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Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
Almost the same situation for me. I've been riding 8.25 for the last 5 months. Recently I've skated a mini vert ramp and rode my 8.6 again. Afterwards madness creeped in and I tried several different setups. From venture to ace to Indy to thunder then back to venture... It got to the point that I have to get used to a different setup almost every session and nothing felt right.
I couldn't take it anymore, so I disassembled every setup(except rain/cruiser setup), grabbed myself a medium steep 8.38 with 14.5wb and put some ventures with 56 f4 radial fulls on it. I can see it's slightly hot rodding but I don't want to measure if it's 5.8 or 6.1
I hope I'm done with madness
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Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
Almost the same situation for me. I've been riding 8.25 for the last 5 months. Recently I've skated a mini vert ramp and rode my 8.6 again. Afterwards madness creeped in and I tried several different setups. From venture to ace to Indy to thunder then back to venture... It got to the point that I have to get used to a different setup almost every session and nothing felt right.
I couldn't take it anymore, so I disassembled every setup(except rain/cruiser setup), grabbed myself a medium steep 8.38 with 14.5wb and put some ventures with 56 f4 radial fulls on it. I can see it's slightly hot rodding but I don't want to measure if it's 5.8 or 6.1
I hope I'm done with madness
Sadly, I don't think most of us are ever truly "done."
...we just go through periods of remission...
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Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
Almost the same situation for me. I've been riding 8.25 for the last 5 months. Recently I've skated a mini vert ramp and rode my 8.6 again. Afterwards madness creeped in and I tried several different setups. From venture to ace to Indy to thunder then back to venture... It got to the point that I have to get used to a different setup almost every session and nothing felt right.
I couldn't take it anymore, so I disassembled every setup(except rain/cruiser setup), grabbed myself a medium steep 8.38 with 14.5wb and put some ventures with 56 f4 radial fulls on it. I can see it's slightly hot rodding but I don't want to measure if it's 5.8 or 6.1
I hope I'm done with madness
Sadly, I don't think most of us are ever truly "done."
...we just go through periods of remission...
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Truck madness is creeping back a little….
Im on Thunder 148 team hollows at the moment but i’m thinking of sizing up to 149 standards for a bit more grind space. Mainly skate 8.25/ 8.375 with the occasional 8.5 thrown in if im feeling saucy. Always 14.25 wb but would maybe like to increase this slightly to accomodate long legs.
Is there much difference in weight between those two trucks feeling wise? Aware its only like 30 grams or something but also aware it can feel more on a lever, especially with the increase in wb of Thunders
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Funny you bring that up. I just did the same Thunder swap. I ride 8.38 mostly with the DLX 8.25 (measures 8.38) thrown in. I figured why not be on 149? More grind space is real. I switched from worn down 54 Classic Fulls (34 wide, 24 contact patch) to 52 Classics (31 wide, 17 contact patch) and there is about 1/4" more per side.
Unfortunately I did lose some flip trick consistency recently and now I'm blaming the truck switch. Objectively speaking I noticed zero increase in stability/wheelbite/turning. I think crooks pinch a little easier.
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My recent madness was I stupidly impulse bought a Girl 8.375x14.4 deck I had been wanting to try. Nearly the same measurements I ride. Rode it the other day and hated it. Couldn't figure out why it felt so massive and long.
I own contour gauges (thinks Schmidt uses on the 9 club) to make symmetrical woodworking projects. Put one on each kick and measured distance between to measure the total flat. 21.875in. Then I did that on my 8.38/14.5 DLX and 8.38 BBS go to. The former was 20.8 and latter 20.75.
So each kick has .5" more flat before the kick then a steep kick. Flat concave means no real pocket.
Setup an Alltimers 8.38 I got on sale and just not willing to put up with the learning curve yet.
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Truck madness is creeping back a little….
Im on Thunder 148 team hollows at the moment but i’m thinking of sizing up to 149 standards for a bit more grind space. Mainly skate 8.25/ 8.375 with the occasional 8.5 thrown in if im feeling saucy. Always 14.25 wb but would maybe like to increase this slightly to accomodate long legs.
Is there much difference in weight between those two trucks feeling wise? Aware its only like 30 grams or something but also aware it can feel more on a lever, especially with the increase in wb of Thunders
If you increase your WB, truck width, and truck weight at the same time and you have enough madness to be posting in this thread, you're def gonna notice it. Why not get 149 team hollows? Or 149 hollow lights with 1/16" risers? Lot's of people ride 8.25 with 149s, but personally i dont like it, I want at least 8.375/8.38
As a tall skater, I deff recommend a longer wb though. I'm 6' 4" and never skating under 14.5 again, I have one last dlx twin with a 14.4 wb left that might be the exception if i dont sell/trade it. I rode someones AH BA peacock deck with the 15" wb and it felt SO GOOD, until i tried to 360 flip it or anything that flipped and spun at the same time.
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Thanks @Lebowskisrug & @Ipathcats, lots of food for thought to mull over. No doubt i will be back here soon 😂
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Thanks @LebowskisRug & @IpathCats, lots of food for thought to mull over. No doubt i will be back here soon 😂
We are here for you in the madness support thread. We know your pain, I'm currently in a remission stage, feeling completely content with my setup, we'll see how long that lasts.
I would be curious to try thunders on a 14.5 wb, but i just had a bout with thunders and hated the wheelbite/bushings/grind (vs indys) and I never quite conquered adjusting my nose/tailslide technique to compensate for the short baseplate. So i really dont think I'll be going down that road.
After years of bushing madness in all trucks, I'm never riding anything other than stock bushings or something harder/softer from the same brand as the truck. Which almost completely rules thunders out, because their bushings are so bad (blow out fast AF). Mixing duros/brands, sanding bushings, and mixing washers was like peak madness for me, I was all fucked up. not doing that again.
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Dont blame you, sounds like a trip!
Ive been very fortunate with bushings, had the same stock whites that came in the 148’s from new and although each side is stripped from the top washer they feel great
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Dont blame you, sounds like a trip!
Ive been very fortunate with bushings, had the same stock whites that came in the 148’s from new and although each side is stripped from the top washer they feel great
When i was on those thunders i mentioned previously the bushings started going almost immediately but i rode them for a few weeks until they really blew out. I got thunder replacements and literally cracked the rear bottom bushing completely through from top to bottom on the first session. Junk.
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Im 6ft but pretty skinny and light , (like 10 1/2 stone) so dont know if that plays any part in it. Ride them..medium i’d say. I mean, i can turn relatively easily without having to tic tac. It has been on my mind what i’d do if they blow before the hangers axle. Dont wanna enter the vortex of shaving/sanding down cones
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Ya I'm 6 foot 3, 163lb, and ride Thunder stock bushings flush. I have ridden Thunder most of my life and never blown out a bottom bushing. I've cracked a couple tops from tons of slappy pinch variations but DLX just sends replacements. Thunders are the best stock bushings for me. The new Indy stocks are noticeably softer and too soft for me. Venture tops don't last unless I put in a flat top.
Thunder on 14.5 feels just as nimble and easy to flip as Indy standard on the same. I love nose manuals on that setup they're super easy and stable. Any 14.5 I have to skate faster but the effective WB arguments don't play out for me.
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Im 6ft but pretty skinny and light , (like 10 1/2 stone) so dont know if that plays any part in it. Ride them..medium i’d say. I mean, i can turn relatively easily without having to tic tac. It has been on my mind what i’d do if they blow before the hangers axle. Dont wanna enter the vortex of shaving/sanding down cones
Just replace them with thunder aftermarkets, if you can get your kingpin nut on/off
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Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
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Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.
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Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool
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Thats a good point, would have to be a die maybe or like the ace rethread kingpin nuts maybe
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Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool
Beat me to it 😂
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Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool
Nice! haven't seen this.
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I think I need to sell my other trucks and just commit to Independent.
Got a set of 5.6 V-Hollows, 5.2 Hi, and 5.5 Maglites (w/ Mag baseplates) sitting around.
Keep my Ti 144 & 149. Have hollow and mid 149s too for mellow or steep boards.
I'm too old and shit at skating to try and mess with my setup. Takes too long to get used to other stuff and not worth the dicking around when I've got a finite amount of time to skate.
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Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool
Nice! haven't seen this.
A re-threading nut seems kinda bad? If you have a tool thats got a deeper "pipe", it will just be really annoying, vs a skate tool with re-threader
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Might have to look into getting a tool with a re-threader, will try the aftermarkets if mine crap out soon. Thanks dudes
I've never seen a skate tool with a kingpin sized re threader. I have considered getting a kingpin sized rethreader for a while now.
Ace has a kingpin rethreader nut that comes on a carabiner with an axle rethreader nut as well. It will fit inside any skate tool.
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-mfg.-re-threader-dies-axle--kingpin-multi-purpose-skate-tool
Nice! haven't seen this.
A re-threading nut seems kinda bad? If you have a tool thats got a deeper "pipe", it will just be really annoying, vs a skate tool with re-threader
Twist the rethreader nut on by hand and use the tool to crank it down then gently reverse and back it off.
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I think I need to sell my other trucks and just commit to Independent.
Got a set of 5.6 V-Hollows, 5.2 Hi, and 5.5 Maglites (w/ Mag baseplates) sitting around.
Keep my Ti 144 & 149. Have hollow and mid 149s too for mellow or steep boards.
I'm too old and shit at skating to try and mess with my setup. Takes too long to get used to other stuff and not worth the dicking around when I've got a finite amount of time to skate.
Deff a huge downside of madness. godspeed brother. I circled back to indy myself after like 2-3 years of trying a bunch of shit. Ti hangers, cast plates <3
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Is it reasonable to buy some supercheap wheels in order to keep riding trucks that are slightly bent? Don't wanna cone good expensive wheels.
Currently super happy with the ventures I bought and will keep riding them until the deck is done. But I still have some other decks around that I wouldn't skate with these, but preferably with my all time favorite thunder titaniums, which are bent.
There's a crazy sale at blue-tomato.com, a whack zumiez like shop. More than 50% off on SML, primitive, HAZE and Bronx wheels.
Are any of them worth it? It's really stupid cheap. I want some really hard wheels that slide
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Ugh. My madness has returned. I had it quelled for quite awhile, but I knew it was only a matter of time. Skated vert ramp a few weeks ago for the first time in awhile. It made me want to start skating bigger transition again, but felt like my 8.25/144s was way too small for that. Set up an 8.75/159s...but then found there were a few street things I loved on the 8.75 that suddenly seemed harder on the 8.25 (e.g. Smith grinds). The madness came rushing back in, and now I have no idea what kind of skateboard I like any more.
Moral: Stay away from vert ramps, as they only bring on existential despair, gear alienation, and more inane "madness" Slap posts.
Or: middle ground 8.5 setup?
Oh, that has absolutely been happening/in the mix. I just touched upon what started my madness again, not the extent of this current "episode." :)
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Is it reasonable to buy some supercheap wheels in order to keep riding trucks that are slightly bent? Don't wanna cone good expensive wheels.
Currently super happy with the ventures I bought and will keep riding them until the deck is done. But I still have some other decks around that I wouldn't skate with these, but preferably with my all time favorite thunder titaniums, which are bent.
There's a crazy sale at blue-tomato.com, a whack zumiez like shop. More than 50% off on SML, primitive, HAZE and Bronx wheels.
Are any of them worth it? It's really stupid cheap. I want some really hard wheels that slide
Just keep an eye on the coning and shape of the wheels and rotate as needed, same as any other board, only those ones might cone a bit more quickly on the one side, compared to on other trucks with straight axles.
As long as you do that, any wheel will still last the same amount of time, as you are wearing out the inside edges more than the outside if they are really bent but still skateable.
Whatever wheels you currently have might be better than buying second rate cheap wheels that may not perform as expected or get flatspots before you are done with them.
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Is it reasonable to buy some supercheap wheels in order to keep riding trucks that are slightly bent? Don't wanna cone good expensive wheels.
Currently super happy with the ventures I bought and will keep riding them until the deck is done. But I still have some other decks around that I wouldn't skate with these, but preferably with my all time favorite thunder titaniums, which are bent.
There's a crazy sale at blue-tomato.com, a whack zumiez like shop. More than 50% off on SML, primitive, HAZE and Bronx wheels.
Are any of them worth it? It's really stupid cheap. I want some really hard wheels that slide
Just keep an eye on the coning and shape of the wheels and rotate as needed, same as any other board, only those ones might cone a bit more quickly on the one side, compared to on other trucks with straight axles.
As long as you do that, any wheel will still last the same amount of time, as you are wearing out the inside edges more than the outside if they are really bent but still skateable.
Whatever wheels you currently have might be better than buying second rate cheap wheels that may not perform as expected or get flatspots before you are done with them.
Sounds good to me. Thanks for saving me from wheel madness...for now.
I think in order to not get mad about it, I'd have to rotate the wheels at fixed points in time. Like after every 10th session or 10h on the board or something, so they stay more or less the same all the time.
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Is it reasonable to buy some supercheap wheels in order to keep riding trucks that are slightly bent? Don't wanna cone good expensive wheels.
Currently super happy with the ventures I bought and will keep riding them until the deck is done. But I still have some other decks around that I wouldn't skate with these, but preferably with my all time favorite thunder titaniums, which are bent.
There's a crazy sale at blue-tomato.com, a whack zumiez like shop. More than 50% off on SML, primitive, HAZE and Bronx wheels.
Are any of them worth it? It's really stupid cheap. I want some really hard wheels that slide
Just keep an eye on the coning and shape of the wheels and rotate as needed, same as any other board, only those ones might cone a bit more quickly on the one side, compared to on other trucks with straight axles.
As long as you do that, any wheel will still last the same amount of time, as you are wearing out the inside edges more than the outside if they are really bent but still skateable.
Whatever wheels you currently have might be better than buying second rate cheap wheels that may not perform as expected or get flatspots before you are done with them.
Sounds good to me. Thanks for saving me from wheel madness...for now.
I think in order to not get mad about it, I'd have to rotate the wheels at fixed points in time. Like after every 10th session or 10h on the board or something, so they stay more or less the same all the time.
I got used to just looking at my board (in detail) how ever often when I had a minute, but only would rotate wheels when I saw coning happening.
If you have calipers, you can always use them to check the sizes of the wheels, but I know from past experience dealing with bent axles, those boards people have were very noticeable when they didn't rotate their wheels at all.
Calipers also help with madness, cheap to buy and you can check the current size of any wheel at any given time.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPuEOuslnNd/
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Calipers also help with madness, cheap to buy and you can check the current size of any wheel at any given time.
This is the madness thread...should have known I wasn't the only one.
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I like to have one wheel with the graphic out.
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I like to have one wheel with the graphic out.
I back it, kinda cool. At least until the graphics wear off
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truck madness with the af1s. pop feels weak even with risers. skating a 14.25 wb board. anyone skate the af1s on polar p2?
been looking at the new limosine drop considering one of the 8.5s
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why not just go back to trucks you like instead of forcing these?
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why not just go back to trucks you like instead of forcing these?
threw on a set of indys and they just don’t feel right
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why not just go back to trucks you like instead of forcing these?
threw on a set of indys and they just don’t feel right
Then it’s probably not the trucks fault.
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why not just go back to trucks you like instead of forcing these?
threw on a set of indys and they just don’t feel right
Then it’s probably not the trucks fault.
yous right
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I like to have one wheel with the graphic out.
I back it, kinda cool. At least until the graphics wear off
I liked when Spitfire did the 3 wheels in 1 color and 1 wheel in a different color (3 grey + 1 orange), that would be the only circumstance colored wheels get a pass
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truck madness with the af1s. pop feels weak even with risers. skating a 14.25 wb board. anyone skate the af1s on polar p2?
been looking at the new limosine drop considering one of the 8.5s
I tried 55 AF1s on the P2. Hated it. Ghost popping like crazy. Same with 44 Classics. Changed to mag plates on the classics and it became manageable. Why, I have no idea. Wb isn’t long, tail isn’t short or steep but so it went. I love Aces and only skate them these days but some decks just don’t work with them for some reason.
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truck madness with the af1s. pop feels weak even with risers. skating a 14.25 wb board. anyone skate the af1s on polar p2?
been looking at the new limosine drop considering one of the 8.5s
I tried 55 AF1s on the P2. Hated it. Ghost popping like crazy. Same with 44 Classics. Changed to mag plates on the classics and it became manageable. Why, I have no idea. Wb isn’t long, tail isn’t short or steep but so it went. I love Aces and only skate them these days but some decks just don’t work with them for some reason.
I stopped skating ace, for now. When I can no longer pop, I’ll go back to ace. I hope to roll around and skate for transportation in my 50s-60s.
I tried a lot of different setups with the classics, and the only one that had good pop for me was a 14”wb (g027 I think) 44 classics, and 56 conical fulls. I don’t prefer to be that high up, but if I went to riding big wheels ace would work.
Af1s I didn’t spend a lot of time on, turn was good for sure, but again with the pop: I’d rather skate thunders or ventures, the pop angles/leverage/feel/whatever are just so much better for me with those.
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truck madness with the af1s. pop feels weak even with risers. skating a 14.25 wb board. anyone skate the af1s on polar p2?
been looking at the new limosine drop considering one of the 8.5s
I tried 55 AF1s on the P2. Hated it. Ghost popping like crazy. Same with 44 Classics. Changed to mag plates on the classics and it became manageable. Why, I have no idea. Wb isn’t long, tail isn’t short or steep but so it went. I love Aces and only skate them these days but some decks just don’t work with them for some reason.
I stopped skating ace, for now. When I can no longer pop, I’ll go back to ace. I hope to roll around and skate for transportation in my 50s-60s.
I tried a lot of different setups with the classics, and the only one that had good pop for me was a 14”wb (g027 I think) 44 classics, and 56 conical fulls. I don’t prefer to be that high up, but if I went to riding big wheels ace would work.
Af1s I didn’t spend a lot of time on, turn was good for sure, but again with the pop: I’d rather skate thunders or ventures, the pop angles/leverage/feel/whatever are just so much better for me with those.
Venture pop sure is magical. I’d like to have that on Aces. I can’t see why it wouldn’t be possible with the right kind of a board. Anyway, I’m mostly running 1/8” risers and bigger wheels on Aces these days to get a heftier pop. I can’t deal with the dainty pop at all. Heftier pop requires more strength and stamina from my legs but it sure is nice when it snaps real good.
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Black Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong!
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Black Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong!
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics, tried 54mm 101s, they had their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.
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Black Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong!
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.
this will be my daily mantra through the holiday season
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Black Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong!
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.
this will be my daily mantra through the holiday season
Godspeed soldier.
As someone who is in a remission stage of madness currently I'd like to share some things that help me. If you've already tried something and swapped off it, remember why. Don't think about the good attributes, just the bad. I still have moments where i want my indys to have a thunder pop feel/manual point, but i just remind myself that the sacrifices in grind/wheelbite and differences in turn just do not suit me or my wheel preferences. Which is another point, if you have a part of your setup that you KNOW is right, dont change it, and use that part to help determine your other components. Eventually that will lead to a setup that justifies itself by preserving a known good and making the rest work around that KNOWN good. Another thing that helps is stretching/warmups/consistency. If you stretch and warm up a bit before skating and make sure to skate regularly it will definitely result in having less of that "my board feels wrong/foreign to me" feeling. Try to understand when you and your legs are/are not warmed up, and dont blame your board when you actually shouldve just stretched more and eased into the session slower.
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why not just go back to...trucks...you like instead of forcing these?
Deep knowledge here. That said, if it was just that easy, none of us would have the afflictions.
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why not just go back to...trucks...you like instead of forcing these?
Deep knowledge here. That said, if it was just that easy, none of us would have the afflictions.
You can't be cured of something you never had, so we're technically all on the road to recovery?
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Black Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong!
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.
this will be my daily mantra through the holiday season
Godspeed soldier.
As someone who is in a remission stage of madness currently I'd like to share some things that help me. If you've already tried something and swapped off it, remember why. Don't think about the good attributes, just the bad. I still have moments where i want my indys to have a thunder pop feel/manual point, but i just remind myself that the sacrifices in grind/wheelbite and differences in turn just do not suit me or my wheel preferences. Which is another point, if you have a part of your setup that you KNOW is right, dont change it, and use that part to help determine your other components. Eventually that will lead to a setup that justifies itself by preserving a known good and making the rest work around that KNOWN good. Another thing that helps is stretching/warmups/consistency. If you stretch and warm up a bit before skating and make sure to skate regularly it will definitely result in having less of that "my board feels wrong/foreign to me" feeling. Try to understand when you and your legs are/are not warmed up, and dont blame your board when you actually shouldve just stretched more and eased into the session slower.
Good idea. I personally find that Thunders grind close enough to Indy's that it doesn't matter and I can hold pinched grinds further so it's a wash. Slides are different, but work. Wheelbite I have less of, but when I do I can't ride it out. I can see wanting bigger wheels somewhat limiting although seeing Jake Anderson on 54-56s with risers seems to work.
For me what I miss about Indys is the carve out of sketchy landings (the little wobble you get) and not stepping off, and the manual point. It is lighter, but for me way less sketchy for nose manuals. I've never actually hit my nose and gone overboard on a nose manual on Indys. But that's on me.
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Black Friday is coming, nerds. Stay strong!
Use Black friday for good, not evil. Use it as a tool to help you stick to your current setup by buying extras of what you know you like. dont use it as an opportunity to change your setup but rather lock yourself into something by having more of it. I'm gonna get a few sets of 56mm 99a f4 classics (tried 54mm 101s, they ahd their merits, but im done with those, going back to what i know.
this will be my daily mantra through the holiday season
Godspeed soldier.
As someone who is in a remission stage of madness currently I'd like to share some things that help me. If you've already tried something and swapped off it, remember why. Don't think about the good attributes, just the bad. I still have moments where i want my indys to have a thunder pop feel/manual point, but i just remind myself that the sacrifices in grind/wheelbite and differences in turn just do not suit me or my wheel preferences. Which is another point, if you have a part of your setup that you KNOW is right, dont change it, and use that part to help determine your other components. Eventually that will lead to a setup that justifies itself by preserving a known good and making the rest work around that KNOWN good. Another thing that helps is stretching/warmups/consistency. If you stretch and warm up a bit before skating and make sure to skate regularly it will definitely result in having less of that "my board feels wrong/foreign to me" feeling. Try to understand when you and your legs are/are not warmed up, and dont blame your board when you actually shouldve just stretched more and eased into the session slower.
Good idea. I personally find that Thunders grind close enough to Indy's that it doesn't matter and I can hold pinched grinds further so it's a wash. Slides are different, but work. Wheelbite I have less of, but when I do I can't ride it out. I can see wanting bigger wheels somewhat limiting although seeing Jake Anderson on 54-56s with risers seems to work.
For me what I miss about Indys is the carve out of sketchy landings (the little wobble you get) and not stepping off, and the manual point. It is lighter, but for me way less sketchy for nose manuals. I've never actually hit my nose and gone overboard on a nose manual on Indys. But that's on me.
Interesting, def a lighter manny feeling on indys, but that doesnt translate to better mannys for me. I seem to do better at them on thunders/ventures, the weight of the manny point makes me feel like i kinda lock into them or something. Idk, its def not worth all the other tradeoffs for me though, I'm not a huge manny guy. I have been working on my fakie mannys lately and have noticed this.
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I love me a nice warm up nose manual. I ride 52-53 so pushing the upper end of Thunder Standards.
Lately I've debated the "stick to what you're out" with "try something similar out and learn it, be patient, you might find something new you might like more".
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I love me a nice warm up nose manual. I ride 52-53 so pushing the upper end of Thunder Standards.
Lately I've debated the "stick to what you're out" with "try something similar out and learn it, be patient, you might find something new you might like more".
Yea, this is madness in a sentence.
Can also be caused by being to critical of your own setup, but its just as equally caused by aimless curiosity.
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I ride 52-53 so pushing the upper end of Thunder Standards.
That sounds crazy unless you're talking about 147s. I recently rode 56mm radials on 148 standards. Even loosened the kingpin nut a bit from stock and had no wheelbite problems at all. Medium steep concave though.
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I think wheelbite is situational based on how you skate….
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Think my madness is over. I keep buying decks for fun, though. Own two pair of Indy’s, some Aces, a pair of Thunders, and my cruiser has Krux. After using them all I prefer the Indy’s. Just like how they turn.
The Aces are great, but not matter how much I tighten them they still feel loose. I’m 230 lbs, so maybe I’m too big for them? Either way, I don’t have time to keep changing my trucks.
There’s this saying about a poor craftsman blaming their tools. Madness is pointless because ultimately YOU are what matters.
I use to watch Ben Degros on YouTube and I found it funny. He’d complain about his setups and still basically land his tricks fine after adjusting. To me, Madness is just OCD.
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It’s the narrative you create based on how you feel….
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I like to have one wheel with the graphic out.
I back it, kinda cool. At least until the graphics wear off
I liked when Spitfire did the 3 wheels in 1 color and 1 wheel in a different color (3 grey + 1 orange), that would be the only circumstance colored wheels get a pass
I just purchased some green swirled spitfires and plan on using one of them each with three whites. only problem is, now i need to buy three sets of white wheels in the exact same shape and size... hence i am lurking this thread. insanity.
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Venture vs thunder can’t decide
Pros and cons
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I have only spent a little bit of time on modern ventures but I can say the pop was insane. Really great for flip tricks and popping solid. However, the turn was way too delayed for my tastes. Insanely stable but the turn takes a minute to initiate. This could be great for your style of skateboarding not mine.
Thunders are also pretty stable on center but have a way quicker initial turn and then the turn slows down. I can go between Thunder and Ace without too much drama. The turn just stops way sooner.
If you skate a bit of transition Thunder might have an edge over Venture. If you skate a lot of flat and ledges, Venture might have the edge. Prob will get less wheel bite with Venture also.
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Venture vs thunder can’t decide
Pros and cons
I always tried to like thunder but I can't stand the way they turn. It feels like stable->adequate turn->no turn->bushings collapse ->sudden wheelbite.
I like their pop feel and the lower weight.
Ventures have good pop but can be pretty hefty on short steep tails.
They might not turn as sharp as a thunder but it feels more honest. Kind of linear turning characteristics.
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Venture vs thunder can’t decide
Pros and cons
Thunders and ventures are similar trucks. Both providing a larger wb and heavier pop feel. My recent experiences with them were on thunder team hollows and venture hollow lights (both 8.25)
Objectively speaking, Thunders turn and grind better than ventures. This is due to the geo and hanger shape.
Thunders have a short baseplate, so your wheels drag on nose/tailslides. this may or may not be an issue for you. Ventures have a long baseplate that prevents this.
The pop feel on both was very hefty and snappy, but the pop feel on ventures is heftier than thunders.
My favorite part about ventures was the manny point. because the pop feel is so hefty i felt like i could almost lock into mannys. the thunders did this too, but not as well becuase they turn more/better which leads to more wheelbite and less stability.
People rave about the pinch on thunders, but the tradeoff to that is that they wheelbite very easily (literally what "pinching" is)
Becuase ventures turn worse, they ARE more stable at speed.
Subjectively speaking thunders feel more delicate and precise, flip tricks seemed a bit easier to perform on them, but i felt like i had more power in my flip tricks on ventures.
These are my observations as a doomed indy rider, do with them what you will.
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I just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit
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I will add that the Venture grind tends to be slower/harder and that Ventures pinch very well too. The top bushing can get eaten by the top washer from pinching too hard. They don't last people as long.
One big thing I would think about is nollie tricks- a lot of people who prefer a faster responding nose don't favor Ventures. Ventures with a steep nose was ghost pop city for me.
Turn wise Ventures have a fairly wide arc and some "wiggle" at the top before the turn really kicks in. You get used to it for the most part. It can make really tight turns somewhat laborious which is why you don't see transition skaters on them much. The flip side to that is that the wiggle helps you ride away from stuff that you land slightly off kilter.
Thunder's turn is fairly immediate. If you're talking about carving they have a smooth arc with resistance in the end. I don't wheelbite turning on Thunders or have any issue carving when I can control my lean. Where I get more wheelbite can be landing off kilter where I really force the truck to lean or turn.
Height wise they are 1.5mm different. I don't notice it much really. I only notice going from Indy Standard to Thunder.
Personally I recommend people coming from Indy or Ace to try Thunder first. It gets you used to a mid truck and grinds better, but has less of a jarring change in pop feel and the turn is surfier. They work well on transition for lots of riders too. Very middle ground truck.
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I just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit
NB 440's are a popular choice, but they are very slim for a cup.
NB 1010's and 808s are beefier but still not gigantic
Emerica KSLs look to have a nice heel lock fit but i cant confirm
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I have a kid on the way and my madness was banned by my lady. Had to avoid the sale thread and all online shop sales. Hurt a little but i guess its for a better cause.
Someone grab a sick pair of kicks you don’t need on a deep discount for me.
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I have a kid on the way and my madness was banned by my lady. Had to avoid the sale thread and all online shop sales. Hurt a little but i guess its for a better cause.
You know skate madness is real when you "guess" a new life brought into the world is more important than trying skate gear ;D
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I have a kid on the way and my madness was banned by my lady. Had to avoid the sale thread and all online shop sales. Hurt a little but i guess its for a better cause.
Someone grab a sick pair of kicks you don’t need on a deep discount for me.
Parenting is a thankless job, got to reward dad once in a while for helping to raise a young child.
With a deck (or 5). And trucks. And wheels. And bushings.
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I have a kid on the way and my madness was banned by my lady. Had to avoid the sale thread and all online shop sales. Hurt a little but i guess its for a better cause.
Someone grab a sick pair of kicks you don’t need on a deep discount for me.
Parenting is a thankless job, got to reward dad once in a while for helping to raise a young child.
With a deck (or 5). And trucks. And wheels. And bushings.
Good buddy got me a Tired, Para deck as a congrats gift. Totally unexpected. Great shape but will be a wall hanger out of respect…or is that disrespectful? Still on the fence about walk hangers.
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Venture vs thunder can’t decide
Pros and cons
What I liked about thunders: light, low, grind was decent, turn was fun, responsive. What I didn’t like: wheelbite on landings, ground through fast.
What I liked about Ventures: manuals, I can skate them looser but still stay in control. The ‘stability’ is pretty much taking all the benefits of skating tight trucks ie. pop, control, precision but the turn is still pretty deep, and as mentioned you can skate them looser. They don’t grind as well….
I didn’t notice the ‘hefty pop’ as much as I really felt the power in the pockets on these trucks. Thunder the pop comes super easy which is fun. Lots of people skate thunders and don’t feel the wheelbite like I did.
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I just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit
NB 440's are a popular choice, but they are very slim for a cup.
NB 1010's and 808s are beefier but still not gigantic
Emerica KSLs look to have a nice heel lock fit but i cant confirm
440's are thin, I like them for that, but I swap the insole immediately. Less durable than 1010, but still great. Easy to find on sale. The heel on the 1010 is thick, but well-padded and tons of support. Forefoot isn't thin, but has some flex and board feel. Lots of people also like the Tyshawn and the Puig.
KSL I was not a fan enough of to keep. They have much more foam in the sole and to ME felt too thick. I don't want cushy foam. I want thin, dense foam.
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I just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit
NB 440's are a popular choice, but they are very slim for a cup.
NB 1010's and 808s are beefier but still not gigantic
Emerica KSLs look to have a nice heel lock fit but i cant confirm
440's are thin, I like them for that, but I swap the insole immediately. Less durable than 1010, but still great. Easy to find on sale. The heel on the 1010 is thick, but well-padded and tons of support. Forefoot isn't thin, but has some flex and board feel. Lots of people also like the Tyshawn and the Puig.
KSL I was not a fan enough of to keep. They have much more foam in the sole and to ME felt too thick. I don't want cushy foam. I want thin, dense foam.
Thanks for the replies guys, the 440s and the KSLs are in my sights and I am planning to pull the trigger if I find these on sale, also interested in the sb bruin reacts. One thing about nike though is that they tend to discontinue models after a couple of years which can be annoying if you have found something you like.
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I didn't like the Bruin React when I tried it on for the same reason I hated the KSL- too much foam. It's soft, but I find the soft foam leads to less stability and board feel than a thinner, higher density foam. No one I know that has had them has liked them, which is probably why you rarely see them on Nike pros
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I just went through a shitty gear madness when I switched to indy forged hollows from thunders, not only I did that but I had the brilliant idea to try and break in some 94 hard bushings after a few sessions just because I had them lying around.. my indies were already rocking some 94 bushings that had been used a few years back and were totally broken in, the new ones that I put in were a complete nightmare though they were rock hard and they were getting soft at a really slow pace. In my thunders I rock the 100s aftermarkets from the rebuild kit and to be honest they feel like a truly medium bushing and they don't blow out.
I guess where I'm going all with this is that the root of the madness is switching your shit up all the time without an actual reason to do so. It's like there is this underlying greed behind it all, and also that big what if about shit youre going to land on a new setup. I believe once in a while it's good to change shit up to keep things fresh and interesting - but I have learned that it is wise to only change one variable at a time - this way at least you will be able to pin the result down to that specific thing. Sorry for the long post it's just that I needed to vent this madness has me going mad I m telling ya.
One last thing while I'm at it, does anyone have a suggestion about a decent cupsole? something that is just reasonable with a locked in feel but not moonboot looking? That's like a last thing I need to get sorted before I am free of this bullshit
NB 440's are a popular choice, but they are very slim for a cup.
NB 1010's and 808s are beefier but still not gigantic
Emerica KSLs look to have a nice heel lock fit but i cant confirm
440's are thin, I like them for that, but I swap the insole immediately. Less durable than 1010, but still great. Easy to find on sale. The heel on the 1010 is thick, but well-padded and tons of support. Forefoot isn't thin, but has some flex and board feel. Lots of people also like the Tyshawn and the Puig.
KSL I was not a fan enough of to keep. They have much more foam in the sole and to ME felt too thick. I don't want cushy foam. I want thin, dense foam.
Thanks for the replies guys, the 440s and the KSLs are in my sights and I am planning to pull the trigger if I find these on sale, also interested in the sb bruin reacts. One thing about nike though is that they tend to discontinue models after a couple of years which can be annoying if you have found something you like.
I really enjoyed my Force 58s. Soft and comfy around the collar and tongue without being super puffy. Broke in really quickly with good structure in the heel. Also affordable and not hard to find.
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Kinda went wild with the FA sale and grabbed two pairs of TyShawn for $51 each at CCS. Now I’m feeling kinda silly cause I’m “injured” and don’t know when I’ll use all this stuff. Because my right knee has arthritis due to low cartilage. May sell/donate a few of my setups cause I’ll be lucky to skate two days a week 🥲
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Can't sleep and just bought venture 5.6 v-lights for no reason, other than it more or less completes my truck collection in terms of wheelbase.
Ace-Royal-Thunder-Polster-Venture, makes me feel like I have the tools to ride any deck I want now.
Never had ventures before, might hate them, possibly leading to free trucks for some kid.
Slight madness, but I'm strict about not changing my setup once it is built and I'm gonna ride these trucks for one decks full life at least. Still have one 14" wb chocolate twin tail that feels way too light with any other trucks, so this should work out fine.
So I've been riding this setup for almost a month now. Turns out I actually love the ventures in the combination with the chocolate twin tail and that reversed my madness. I now have the madness of NOT wanting to switch gear. I hate the thought of getting used to something else now, I haven't been this in tune with my board for quite some time.
I wish I didn't have 3 other new decks to go through after this one. As everybody knows, decks need to be skated in the order they are bought, otherwise they get bad and sad.
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Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale. Also I don’t live in a city with a good skate shop. So I fear that I’ll break something then have to wait for replacements.
And shoes—why are size 13 always sold out?
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Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale. Also I don’t live in a city with a good skate shop. So I fear that I’ll break something then have to wait for replacements.
And shoes—why are size 13 always sold out?
They make fewer of them.
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Mate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?
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Mate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?
If you're tall/have long legs im sure it would be nice.
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That’s enough reassurance for me, thanks dude
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Mate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?
I like that setup with Thunders. The kicks are smaller and not very full so it skates a lot more nimble and floppy than the dims suggest. I find it easier to skate than some smaller decks. Don't dismiss it.
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Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale.
That's the thing - watch this thread for five minutes and there will be another 15-20% off sale, or another "buy two decks for $80 with grip and free shipping and a 25% off coupon code!" At this point, I only buy extra decks because A) I go through them quickly, B) this last batch of Covid-era decks are deeply discounted, C) once those decks are sold though, I expect a lot more of the industry will be adopting the FA-style higher price point.
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Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale.
That's the thing - watch this thread for five minutes and there will be another 15-20% off sale, or another "buy two decks for $80 with grip and free shipping and a 25% off coupon code!" At this point, I only buy extra decks because A) I go through them quickly, B) this last batch of Covid-era decks are deeply discounted, C) once those decks are sold though, I expect a lot more of the industry will be adopting the FA-style higher price point.
I can see prices going up. I know Welcome’s boards are $75 on their site and basically $70 at most online shops. That’s so tough to swallow. Luckily I’m fully stocked 😂
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Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale.
That's the thing - watch this thread for five minutes and there will be another 15-20% off sale, or another "buy two decks for $80 with grip and free shipping and a 25% off coupon code!" At this point, I only buy extra decks because A) I go through them quickly, B) this last batch of Covid-era decks are deeply discounted, C) once those decks are sold though, I expect a lot more of the industry will be adopting the FA-style higher price point.
Exactly. I bought five FA decks for $26/each as a hedge against deck inflation over the next year or two.
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Mate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?
I like that setup with Thunders. The kicks are smaller and not very full so it skates a lot more nimble and floppy than the dims suggest. I find it easier to skate than some smaller decks. Don't dismiss it.
Thanks dude, im gonna try it with thunders. You and @Ipathcats have sold me on it! Going to try and get some more 148 team hollows for Christmas. They seem to work for me
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I'm a month in on indy 149 titaniums on cast baseplates. These feel like my holy grail trucks. I had a moment of weakness and tried the forged plates when i put on new wheels because i thought the extra height from the new wheels was fucking with me, but im pretty sure my legs were just shot that day. I went back to the cast plates after a handful of tricks on the forged. I'm curious as to how cast plates with a hollow pin feel, but not enough to buy them. After several iterations of my board due to madness over like 2-3 years, im VERY content with where im at, and im not very far from where i started which is the funniest part to me. prioritizing WB was a big key. I would stick with the same width but not even look at wb, so things would feel different when the wb changed and I'd start fucking with shit again.
After trying a bunch of shit over the last few years my board size is 1/8" smaller (8.375 down from 8.5), i took off my risers, and went to cast plates. Pretty hilarious to think about how close i was the whole time. I could probably even handle an 8.5 right now if i had to. which would mean even less of a change haha.
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I'm almost the opposite lately, WB seems to matter less than overall length and specifically kick length. Fuck me if the nose is too long/big or shit is too steep.
I'm pretty content on Thunders, but always daydreaming of Indy's. No such thing of full recovery, just being "normal" and sticking to something until it doesn't work anymore.
Having stacks is a nightmare. It makes you think about things a lot deeper because you've invested so much and those investments might not be ideal.
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Mate of mine just surprised me with my first olive eagle. Lovely looking shape but im concerned a bit about the longer wb (even though i wanted to try 14.5 again) wondering if anyone has had good experiences with thunders and these decks?
I like that setup with Thunders. The kicks are smaller and not very full so it skates a lot more nimble and floppy than the dims suggest. I find it easier to skate than some smaller decks. Don't dismiss it.
Thanks dude, im gonna try it with thunders. You and @IpathCats have sold me on it! Going to try and get some more 148 team hollows for Christmas. They seem to work for me
I run 149s (indy) on the 8.375(.38 w/e) 14.5 wb dlx shape. I just got an olive eagle too haha. Really up to you, but i like the extra hanger space.
Though, I think thunder 148s have more hanger than 144 indys. I could be tripping, but it felt like that.
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I was toying with the idea of 149’s for a long while but at this stage i think it could be another variable of confusion/madness haha
The shape of the deck looks great though, stoked to try it. I always put 2 speedrings on the inside and 1 out as i hate seeing exposed thread on the axle (and also no messing around with the nut if i change wheels/bearings), so that gives me a bit of extra space as you know
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I was toying with the idea of 149’s for a long while but at this stage i think it could be another variable of confusion/madness haha
The shape of the deck looks great though, stoked to try it. I always put 2 speedrings on the inside and 1 out as i hate seeing exposed thread on the axle (and also no messing around with the nut if i change wheels/bearings), so that gives me a bit of extra space as you know
Yea, It's definitely doable. I was scared of hotrodding so i ran 8.25 trucks on 8.3ish boards for a while. They def flip easier than 149s. but as soon as you're doing anything with decent speed, or skating transition, the 149s are a clear winner for me. And honestly i cant see 149s poking out at all.
Your call though. going to a longer wb and a wider truck will deff make you feel a lot more stable and make your flip tricks take more effort (still totally manageable)
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I was toying with the idea of 149’s for a long while but at this stage i think it could be another variable of confusion/madness haha
The shape of the deck looks great though, stoked to try it. I always put 2 speedrings on the inside and 1 out as i hate seeing exposed thread on the axle (and also no messing around with the nut if i change wheels/bearings), so that gives me a bit of extra space as you know
I’m happy with my 148 on 8.4/14.25 I went from an 8.25 on my previous deck and it stayed nimble and I appreciate the additional room for all my sloppy makes.
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I just switched to 149 and it's nice for certain grinds, but honestly I feel I am wheel biting more on flip tricks and am not sold one way or another on what truck is optimal.
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Fellow citizens of Slap, I did some of my better skating of the past few years on an 8.38” a while ago and of course immediately proceeded to not purchase another 8.38” for like a year and a half. Currently back on an 8.38” and I think it might be one of the most practical all-around board sizes for most things. 8.25” and below feels a little small for crusty spots and slappy stuff and going up to 8.75” and above feels great but makes me less inclined to flip my board. Moral of the story, buy things that make sense every once in a while - who would’ve thought…
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I mean there are 8.38's with 14" WB and 14.75 it's a pretty all encompassing size.
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
welp that backfired lol
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
welp that backfired lol
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Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
welp that backfired lol
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Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.
superjuice did? i know the OJ 3's would do that a lot, but i havent experienced that with the super juice
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
welp that backfired lol
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Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.
superjuice did? i know the OJ 3's would do that a lot, but i havent experienced that with the super juice
Yeh after my second time out on them the spat the side out
All good I cut them down to 55mm at work...
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Yeah I’m kinda spiraling with my purchases. My issue is I have a fear of missing out on good deals, but I know it’s pointless cause shit is ALWAYS on sale. Also I don’t live in a city with a good skate shop. So I fear that I’ll break something then have to wait for replacements.
And shoes—why are size 13 always sold out?
They make fewer of them.
Yes they make fewer of them but very often I'll check something the minute it comes out or gets restocked and 13s are the only size unavailable often they'll even have 14,15,16 and tiny sizes. My fun conspiracy is they're scared of the number 13. For a while size 4 was also always unavailable which is the unlucky number for some cultures too.
Usually a 13 is 31cms but some brands make 13s as 32.5/33cms makes me wonder if they're actually size 14s and they just don't make size 13 but relabel them here. (Once again just fun conspiracy not really that serious)
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I need a pair or 3 of the Kader shoe. I can't help it. They pretty close to my two favorite colors. They match my face tattoo.
I've worn more shell toes as skate shoes than anything else in my life time. I've never had a pair of the fancy skate versions.
I need I need.
They match probably hundreds of my graffiti pieces too. I love purple
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
welp that backfired lol
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Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.
superjuice did? i know the OJ 3's would do that a lot, but i havent experienced that with the super juice
Yeh after my second time out on them the spat the side out
All good I cut them down to 55mm at work...
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Damn! Were you sliding them hard or something?
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I'm over truck madness, went with a 8.25 x 31.75 x 14.25, PS Stix and told myself I needed to go with Thunder / Ace to compensate for the shorter tail and length. 1 session with Thunder and 1/2 session with Ace and I was over it, way too twitchy and I needed to adjust my foot placement drastically. Back on Ventures and things felt right, slight adjustment to the tail and I was feeling proper again.
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
This is the support I was looking for 🙏
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Wondering if I should size down my trucks, it recently snowed here so I'm starting to dabble in the madness a bit. I've been skating indy 159s on 8.5s exclusively for the last year, and I'm wondering if its worth it to give 149s a go. 159s have been chill and haven't given me any issues, especially since I'm pretty new but I think I'm ready to experiment. If I try 149s what will I notice? I'm expecting they'll turn a bit quicker but I'm not sure what else.
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Wondering if I should size down my trucks, it recently snowed here so I'm starting to dabble in the madness a bit. I've been skating indy 159s on 8.5s exclusively for the last year, and I'm wondering if its worth it to give 149s a go. 159s have been chill and haven't given me any issues, especially since I'm pretty new but I think I'm ready to experiment. If I try 149s what will I notice? I'm expecting they'll turn a bit quicker but I'm not sure what else.
In transition you will find yourself with a bit more control on your grinds. Your lock-in will be closer to the middle of the board giving you more leverage over it. On street, the board will initiate a flip easier because the tipping point of the wheel is now closer in, and it will flip faster because the mass of the wheels is closer to the center of the board.
For many years I skated trucks the same width as the board or one size larger. Now I'm going the other way - same size or one size smaller.
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Forgive me friends for I have given into the sales and deals.
Got the FA sale. An Enjoi board from their sale, and my go to shop had the Vans x Krooked Ray Barbee board on 20% off as they’re moving.
May throw my 159 mids on the Barbee. Not sure what wheels I should run on the board.
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Today I hated my deck and wheels. Will switch the wheels out before the deck. I am used to soggy, old decks. But I am not used to kinda massive (for me) 53mm Lock Ins.
Thanks for listening pals.
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Yes. Whatever you do, don’t get Krux. They’re terrible and not in a fun way.
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Yes. Whatever you do, don’t get Krux. They’re terrible and not in a fun way.
I waxed the pivot cups of my set of K5s, the newer models, and it made a difference. But they do suck.
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Donate that money to the homeless.
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My local shop recently got some OJ thunder juice wheels in. Please convince me that they’re stupid and I don’t (or do) need them even though I already have a cruiser board
They're kinda something you need to center a whole setup around. So i wouldnt suggest it unless you have enough parts already to make a setup for them. they're so big too that i'm sure they would really fuck with your pop, so unless you dont ollie on your cruiser, i'd just pass.
I don’t ollie on my cruiser and I have all the parts to put together another setup. I guess I’m going to relapse
welp that backfired lol
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Don't do it, I'm dead against juice wheels now....
Off that shit, if u got a cruiser you got a cruiser.
what did oj's do to hurt you? I'm a f4 guy on my regular board but superjuice are my go to for cruisers.
Nah it's all good, I have superjuice on my cruiser too, but they chunked out super quick. They roll smooth though was a bit disappointing is all.
superjuice did? i know the OJ 3's would do that a lot, but i havent experienced that with the super juice
Yeh after my second time out on them the spat the side out
All good I cut them down to 55mm at work...
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Damn! Were you sliding them hard or something?
Nothing to serious, roads are a bit bumpy but nothing I can't handle on spf bones or f4 spits....
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Riding Krux is the equivalent of the clown meme
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
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I’m so intrigued by what the grind would feel like on them. They look so… strange
They seem like they’d be nice and rattle-y though if you rode them loose. Despite not turning well
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
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I’m so intrigued by what the grind would feel like on them. They look so… strange
They seem like they’d be nice and rattle-y though if you rode them loose. Despite not turning well
someone told me they grind and turn just like independents and I fell out of my seat laughing
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Buying Krux would be funny in a dumb joke kind of way. But is that really what you want for yourself, to be the butt of a dumb joke?
Lol Don't do that to yourself man.
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I feel like being on Slap is unfortunately feeding my gear madness. I took a break from Slap for a few years as it all just got too much for me. I think the rumors about Ace AF1s brought me back and here I am again. I wasn’t completely cured of gear madness during my time off from Slap but I do feel that it consumed way less of my thoughts. I have tons of other things to spend money on right now and still yesterday I almost ordered 250€+ worth of gear and clothes I don’t really need. Held off thankfully.
I don’t really know what’s my point here. I enjoy the discussions here on Slap, especially in shoes & gear where I think it’s a bit more civilized than in UWTB but maybe I should visit less often and go to photos & video more or something. I dunno. I need help. I feel awful for stocking up so much gear. It’s not making me happier, it’s making me feel worse.
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Madness is going to a sesh and being happy with your trucks and setup and then watching videos and being like "wait no one rides this" and then thinking you're the one that needs to change.
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Madness is going to a sesh and being happy with your trucks and setup and then watching videos and being like "wait no one rides this" and then thinking you're the one that needs to change.
For me its kind of the opposite. I see dudes ripping on thunders and ventures and think that will translate to me ripping on them.....
It doesn't
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I definitely have gone very ott on wanting, and assembling, to the best of my knowledge, full on tribute setups. How else do you get fury’s, tensors…had some grind kings to be like Daewon (if I’m being honest, I’ll setup a Daewon complete at some point mag lo’s etc…he’s difficult because I want some setup inspired by my favorite era of his, and that would be like round 1, dolphin graphic, orions…)
Somehow, way back when, instead of learning a trade or helping others, I decided to spend all of my disposable income on packages from ccs, and then the ‘local’ did a buy 4-5 decks get one free thing. Dripping in gear. So of course I did the only sensible thing and got a Dave Mayhew maple, krux lows, and pig wheels. I remember that Ollie’s were the best they’ve ever been, and in general I skated well on the krux, but I just didn’t like em. Something seemed wrong. Longest axles as well.
Aaaannyways
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Buying Krux would be funny in a dumb joke kind of way. But is that really what you want for yourself, to be the butt of a dumb joke?
Lol Don't do that to yourself man.
Now that Slappy Trucks have entered the chat I don’t know if I have room for Krux in my future. Crisis averted.
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Is the k5 still that bad?
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Both Gifted Hater and Ben Degros reviewed sets and thought they still sucked. Better than K4, but it's like going from absolutely useless garbage to pretty fuckin bad
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Buying Krux would be funny in a dumb joke kind of way. But is that really what you want for yourself, to be the butt of a dumb joke?
Lol Don't do that to yourself man.
Now that Slappy Trucks have entered the chat I don’t know if I have room for Krux in my future. Crisis averted.
Oh god, you just can't help yourself can you? haha
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It would be a dumb idea to get Krux as a joke, right guys?
Buying Krux would be funny in a dumb joke kind of way. But is that really what you want for yourself, to be the butt of a dumb joke?
Lol Don't do that to yourself man.
Now that Slappy Trucks have entered the chat I don’t know if I have room for Krux in my future. Crisis averted.
Oh god, you just can't help yourself can you? haha
Damn I'm seeing all this after just ordering some Krux because I thought it would be funny as a dumb joke. Generally I can skate most setups so I'm not too worried.
Also Ryan Lay
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So you guys are planning to buy krux, go to the skatepark and tell people that you're riding krux? But it's like totally a joke haha. They're gonna laugh their asses off for sure.
Is this how krux is still in business?
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I'm curious, what's wrong with krux?
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The turning radius is not to everyone’s liking, the hole, kooky graphics, other trucks are better. A few people swear by them though.
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Watch Ryan push and carve. You can see his board wiggle but he keeps going in the same direction. That shows you about how much Krux turn vs how much input you put into them.
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Watch Ryan push and carve. You can see his board wiggle but he keeps going in the same direction. That shows you about how much Krux turn vs how much input you put into them.
I'm currently on some stage 11 159 hangers on stage 8 baseplates and it does exactly that... did i inadvertently create a Krux? Should I now paint them in tiger print?
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I'm curious, what's wrong with krux?
I bought a pair of K4s on super blowout for around $12. First drop into my local bowl I ate shit as I carved a wall and my body naturally went where it normally did and the board didn't turn. I ended up skating them for about about 10 minutes, and then 10 minutes another day before I gave them away. I could manage Ace, Indy, Thunder, Mini Logo and Royal - but had to draw the line at Krux.
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So you guys are planning to buy krux, go to the skatepark and tell people that you're riding krux? But it's like totally a joke haha. They're gonna laugh their asses off for sure.
Is this how krux is still in business?
Definitely not, I've wanted to actually try the K5 for awhile out of curiosity but krux have been a joke in my friend group for a long time too. Plus if I don't like them I'll just donate them to a kid in need and go back to Thunders
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So you guys are planning to buy krux, go to the skatepark and tell people that you're riding krux? But it's like totally a joke haha. They're gonna laugh their asses off for sure.
Is this how krux is still in business?
Definitely not, I've wanted to actually try the K5 for awhile out of curiosity but krux have been a joke in my friend group for a long time too. Plus if I don't like them I'll just donate them to a kid in need and go back to Thunders
Putting them in the presence of children is considered a hate crime in some states
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So you guys are planning to buy krux, go to the skatepark and tell people that you're riding krux? But it's like totally a joke haha. They're gonna laugh their asses off for sure.
Is this how krux is still in business?
Definitely not, I've wanted to actually try the K5 for awhile out of curiosity but krux have been a joke in my friend group for a long time too. Plus if I don't like them I'll just donate them to a kid in need and go back to Thunders
Putting them in the presence of children is considered a hate crime in some states
Yeah. Better to put them in the metal recycling bin. I actually sold mine (the K4s) and got actual money for them. I wonder what happened to the guy who I sold them to. Dude, if you’re around I just wanna say I’m sorry and I was out of line selling that shit to you.
Someone on here actually convinced me to get a set as “they’re very similar to Aces”! Can’t remember who that was, but fuck you!
I slammed hard bombing a hill drunk and trying to turn at an intersection. I wasn’t going very fast and the fucking trucks would not turn in the space where a big truck would have had no issues turning. By far the worst skate gear I’ve had.
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Yah maybe the k5 is different I think Ben Degros did a vid and said they were ok, but the k4 I think was sort of designed in the same vein as a tensor or venture, just wide turning no give. They remind me of rail jockey trucks, stunting trucks…when you’re being pushed into the ground off a hubba, you don’t want to wheelbite or if you’re leaning the wrong way, you still want the make.
Some people love em, and I think they they are a good entry point truck, but yah if you’re skating aces and get one these things your reaction will be…these trucks don’t work.
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The last bastion of my madness: I constantly swap between Indy 149s and 159s. Mostly skating 9" - 9.25" eggs with big wheels. I don't even think it makes much of a difference, but I can't stop myself.
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I often tell this story but back in the day the Enjoi/Tilt Mode dudes would skate our local parks. Most of them rode Thunders with an oval sticker on their trucks so it looked like they were on their sponsored spec trucks.
My madness lately has been embarrassing and distracting: shoes. I was skating Half Cabs for a long time, but had issues with the impact/heel bruising. Of all shoes they're "home base" for me since I had them for a lot of my life. I can be pretty consistent in them, especially with 360 flips and certain flip tricks).
I switched to NB cups and mostly really liked my leather 440s and my Suede Tiagos. In the Tiagos my kickflips are nicer and more boned out, most other tricks are the same, but since the shoe gives less my scoop tricks are less consistent. The big upside is since they have better padding and support my ankles and knees don't get sore.
So basically I bring both to the session and constantly switch back and forth to find "the one" and the sesh turns into an A/B test vs actually focusing on skating. I definitely think it's hampering enjoyment and holding me back from actually progressing.
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Krux could just make an old Indy shape or something and they'd actually have a market. People want a Stage VIII? Well, you already own the rights to all that and you've probably got a mold somewhere, so make it the Krux V6. But nope, gotta have some weird shit that refuses to turn and is painted in Sponge Bob livery.
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I had this idea recently to go from thunders to indys just to switch it up. Got some 54 mm spittys to go with them. I realized exactly how much bigger the wheelbase on Indys are started thinking about how I do all my tricks out of the pocket how I just willingly gave up pocket space. Couldn’t land a single front shuv, all my shit was rocketed. I should just get used to the new setup but for now I’m kicking myself
Edit: went to the park, did a bunch of 50s, and some flatground, felt nice. I love bigger wheels- i must have been at 48 or something before I didn’t realize what I was missing
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The wheelbase on Indy's is smaller than Thunders
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Yah maybe the k5 is different I think Ben Degros did a vid and said they were ok, but the k4 I think was sort of designed in the same vein as a tensor or venture, just wide turning no give. They remind me of rail jockey trucks, stunting trucks…when you’re being pushed into the ground off a hubba, you don’t want to wheelbite or if you’re leaning the wrong way, you still want the make.
Some people love em, and I think they they are a good entry point truck, but yah if you’re skating aces and get one these things your reaction will be…these trucks don’t work.
Part of my reasoning is how poorly I skate on Ace, I enjoy the lack of turn on ventures
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Figured this might be as good a place as anywhere to ask for opinions.
For shoe hoarding, when do shoes become unsafe to wear? I have some 9 year old new in box vans that always got pushed down in the pile of unworn shoes.
I want to skate them but I’m worried the soles are just gonna crumble or fold like I’ve heard happen with old sneakers. Is that just a concern with EVA foam and rubber vulcs are good to go?
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Figured this might be as good a place as anywhere to ask for opinions.
For shoe hoarding, when do shoes become unsafe to wear? I have some 9 year old new in box vans that always got pushed down in the pile of unworn shoes.
I want to skate them but I’m worried the soles are just gonna crumble or fold like I’ve heard happen with old sneakers. Is that just a concern with EVA foam and rubber vulcs are good to go?
I don't think there's a hard and fast rule on how long shoes take to disintegrate, probably depends on climate, humidity and overall QC. I had a pair of NB 913 that were produced in 2018 (according to the tags), wore them in 2020 and they crumbled in 1 session, so time in storage is anyone's guess.
I'd test the shoes out by walking around the house, the block to see if they hold up, really stretch and flex the shoe. Nothing worse than a shoe crumbling at the start of a session and the spot getting littered with foam bits.
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I’ve rocked some Ray Barbee Vans from who the fuck knows how long ago, and they go alright. Not new fresh but they didn’t feel like they’d fall away from my feet either
Edit: they’re from 2014
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Figured this might be as good a place as anywhere to ask for opinions.
For shoe hoarding, when do shoes become unsafe to wear? I have some 9 year old new in box vans that always got pushed down in the pile of unworn shoes.
I want to skate them but I’m worried the soles are just gonna crumble or fold like I’ve heard happen with old sneakers. Is that just a concern with EVA foam and rubber vulcs are good to go?
I think vulcs are almost always fine there's an insta account called pillowheat where a guy specifically sells really old vans. Classic cupsoles usually good too but the rubber can go really hard/plasticy. This actually happened to some emerica vulcs I had but I had worn them a bunch then put them away. Either way I guess you could walk around in them for a bit first see how they are.
I'm hoping what I say is true because I also have a bunch of shoes from 9+ years ago lol
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If they’re Vans pros from that time them shits were destined to peel apart in a week anyway. So if they do fall apart it will be hard to tell it’s from time or Vans shitty QC from back then.
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Yeah vans pro authentic from November 2013
I wore them this morning out to run some errands. Insoles definitely softer with the ultracush HD and they fit a little bigger than current models. Overall I think they’ll be fine.
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I just bought two pizza boards for 38$. I have 14 boards inventory. I fear that this may be a problem. Normally I go through a board every two weeks. But I keep getting hurt, so my inventory is high. Normally I would skate them faster than I buy them. Plus I just got a raise.
AND we are not even into Black Friday yet. Is there a divorce thread because when my wife sees another box show up I’m going there next.
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I just bought two pizza boards for 38$. I have 14 boards inventory. I fear that this may be a problem. Normally I go through a board every two weeks. But I keep getting hurt, so my inventory is high. Normally I would skate them faster than I buy them. Plus I just got a raise.
AND we are not even into Black Friday yet. Is there a divorce thread because when my wife sees another box show up I’m going there next.
You're looking for Whatever - Things you are stoked on but not stoked on
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I just bought two pizza boards for 38$. I have 14 boards inventory. I fear that this may be a problem. Normally I go through a board every two weeks. But I keep getting hurt, so my inventory is high. Normally I would skate them faster than I buy them. Plus I just got a raise.
AND we are not even into Black Friday yet. Is there a divorce thread because when my wife sees another box show up I’m going there next.
You might just have to do your own mystery box sale at this rate
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Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?
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Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?
I go back and forth between forged and standard baseplates on my Indys depending on my wheel size/kick steepness and I've never noticed a discernible difference between the two. Both seem to slide as expected for me. I could see cast sliding marginally better since there's more metal to slide against, though.
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Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?
I go back and forth between forged and standard baseplates on my Indys depending on my wheel size/kick steepness and I've never noticed a discernible difference between the two. Both seem to slide as expected for me. I could see cast sliding marginally better since there's more metal to slide against, though.
But how could I possibly be the problem. Ridiculous
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Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?
I go back and forth between forged and standard baseplates on my Indys depending on my wheel size/kick steepness and I've never noticed a discernible difference between the two. Both seem to slide as expected for me. I could see cast sliding marginally better since there's more metal to slide against, though.
But how could I possibly be the problem. Ridiculous
It's blasphemy, you're not the problem! It's the weather, the ledge has no wax, something!!
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Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?
I go back and forth between forged and standard baseplates on my Indys depending on my wheel size/kick steepness and I've never noticed a discernible difference between the two. Both seem to slide as expected for me. I could see cast sliding marginally better since there's more metal to slide against, though.
But how could I possibly be the problem. Ridiculous
It's blasphemy, you're not the problem! It's the weather, the ledge has no wax, something!!
Pretty sure mercury was in retrograde during my slides
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Hello !
Let me explain,
I'm 5.7 Ft, I have short legs, and 8 for foot size
For some time, I've been trying to find the perfect setup, and every time I think I've found it, there's this fucking madness that comes back:
Deck : I wonder if I shouldn't go down to 7.9, because I've been skating 8.0 for about 6 years, and sometimes some flip tricks are difficult to throw, when I see Luan Oliveira or cody mcentire, I see that they are small and skate small boards.. but however, it seems to me that some pros who are small also ride 8.25 or more (If anyone can testify having met a pro for real, surprised at the size of board and its size)
Is the body size important to have a quality skateboard ? I skate a lot a lot flatground !
Trucks : I've been skating for 15 years, and in my early years, I was kickflip perfectly, and I had low trucks (Venture lows).
However, I lost the kickflip for 10 years now, and I noticed while watching my videos, that since I have high trucks, I very rarely successfully kickflip. (However, no harm with the flip switch..)
But I feel like I sometimes make a superhuman effort to jump for certain tricks!
I also wonder if stockings aren't better for someone short.. but as I said above, I think short skaters ride standard 55mm independents and do all their tricks very, very well. I think it's all in technique and timing.. unless height is really important? (I skate venture high standards)
Damn, what madness, it's funny to think that in our first years of skateboarding, we didn't think of all that!
What do you think ? In relation to what I told you, but also to have a general opinion and also in relation to your skating, I would like to know !
Thank you for your valuable response !
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Hello !
Let me explain,
I'm 5.7 Ft, I have short legs, and 8 for foot size
For some time, I've been trying to find the perfect setup, and every time I think I've found it, there's this fucking madness that comes back:
Deck : I wonder if I shouldn't go down to 7.9, because I've been skating 8.0 for about 6 years, and sometimes some flip tricks are difficult to throw, when I see Luan Oliveira or cody mcentire, I see that they are small and skate small boards.. but however, it seems to me that some pros who are small also ride 8.25 or more (If anyone can testify having met a pro for real, surprised at the size of board and its size)
Is the body size important to have a quality skateboard ? I skate a lot a lot flatground !
Trucks : I've been skating for 15 years, and in my early years, I was kickflip perfectly, and I had low trucks (Venture lows).
However, I lost the kickflip for 10 years now, and I noticed while watching my videos, that since I have high trucks, I very rarely successfully kickflip. (However, no harm with the flip switch..)
But I feel like I sometimes make a superhuman effort to jump for certain tricks!
I also wonder if stockings aren't better for someone short.. but as I said above, I think short skaters ride standard 55mm independents and do all their tricks very, very well. I think it's all in technique and timing.. unless height is really important? (I skate venture high standards)
Damn, what madness, it's funny to think that in our first years of skateboarding, we didn't think of all that!
What do you think ? In relation to what I told you, but also to have a general opinion and also in relation to your skating, I would like to know !
Thank you for your valuable response !
try venture hollows and work on your technique
maybe a smaller wheelbase would help
what board are you on right now?
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I skated 7.4-7.6 with Venture and Thunder lows from like 1997-2001. I then stepped up to an 8 after seeing taller skaters ride them as I was 6 foot 3 at age 15, but with a size 10 shoe. Most of my flip tricks were barely popped and mostly based on pressure aside from kickflips and their variants. Going up to an 8 actually helped me do them better.
Fast forward many, many years including lots of time away from doing anything but cruising and ollie'ing up curbs. Trucks are almost always highs and 8.25 seems to be the starting point size. Most people my height ride 8.38-9 these days with various wheelbases and shit. Boards are 3/4" longer, longer wheelbases, and much different amounts of concave. I've ridden as high as 8.5x32.25 which was 1.25in longer, 1.1in wider, and with .75in longer wheelbase, 6.5mm higher trucks, and 4mm higher wheels than my old 7.4 I learned kickflips and 360 flips on. Those same flip tricks are probably better despite having significant injuries limiting the movement of both of my legs. Just takes some patience to adjust.
I actually have tried riding an 8, Venture low's, and shorter wheelbases and found no reason to go back to such a setup. It's easier to do shitty, faster flips, but is less stable, has less room to land on, and just isn't as fun to ride.
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I'm pretty sure Luan skates Indy standards and his deck looks super flat in footage. Try getting a flatter deck before you change up everything else. My flip tricks feel way more consistent with flatter kicks.
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Regardless of your preferences or what has been done in the past, the best move is get used to what’s out there so you aren’t losing your mind chasing shit around….
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I'm pretty sure Luan skates Indy standards and his deck looks super flat in footage. Try getting a flatter deck before you change up everything else. My flip tricks feel way more consistent with flatter kicks.
There's a Brazilian ledge ripper who, for some reason, is living up here in the Northwest these days. He's sponsored back in Brazil, but a relative nobody in terms of professional skaters. Anyway, he skates a pancake flat ~7.5" deck with Indy 129s and informs me that this is more or less the norm among Brazilian skaters.
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I'm pretty sure Luan skates Indy standards and his deck looks super flat in footage. Try getting a flatter deck before you change up everything else. My flip tricks feel way more consistent with flatter kicks.
Same. Powell decks have some of the flattest kicks (18 degrees) and I am most consistent on them. Graphics are horrible and I have been known to skate a Mini Logo to avoid the Powell skulls.
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fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
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fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover
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fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover
I'll take this over the girl who just FS Crooked Grinded the Hollywood 16
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fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover
I'll take this over the girl who just FS Crooked Grinded the Hollywood 16
Huge component of madness is the age/declining physical abilities…
Indys with huge wheels used to give me high, very inconsistent pop.
I much prefer the snap with thunders.
I really support the goal: I’ve never been a goal oriented person, preferring to just fuck around and see what works out, and as such do not really progress, in any area of life. How high is 5 boards? I had an entirely internal, mumbled, conversation with myself about clearing a tennis net (I’m well into my 40’s), went so far as going to a court with no board and decided I was being delusional. Gun to head I don’t think I could ollie 30”, after training.
Based off your comments earlier in the thread about powells being flat, I looked at some of their stuff, got confused and exited. Is there a shape concave guide im missing? I really like flat boards, but not sure it’s worth it.
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fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
I feel this 100%. Every time I put Ventures on a board, my pop game improves immensely and I am shocked by how snappy everything feels. But as an old, mostly point A to B and curb skater, the stiff turn and slower grind just do not compare to my Indys. I rationally know the latter is where I need to be, but that whiff of youth from the Ventures is so sweet and tempting.
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fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover
This was a year and a half ago at 48.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNv9LyDBjBi/
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I feel this 100%. Every time I put Ventures on a board, my pop game improves immensely and I am shocked by how snappy everything feels. But as an old, mostly point A to B and curb skater, the stiff turn and slower grind just do not compare to my Indys. I rationally know the latter is where I need to be, but that whiff of youth from the Ventures is so sweet and tempting.
Ventures are probably the only popular truck I haven't tried, and I haven't been all that interested in them - for the reasons you mentions. At my age, I'm not opposed to buying a set to get just enough boost to get over a stack one last time. I relate to the Tony Hawk videos where he retires a trick. There are some tricks I landed in 2020 that I don't know if I'll ever do again - like the ugliest fakie impossible I have seen. Every year when the snow flies (like today) signaling the end of a season, I wonder what I'm going to actually be able to get back in March.
I went to all Indy early this year because I thought it would make it easier to do tricks. Consistency. Better to get used to one thing than to use completely different setups. But... I skate very different depending on where I am. Does it make sense to be trying double kickflips on the same board as I use in an 11' bowl? Different boards for different spots - and maybe that means I use Thunder when I'm skating flatground and at the street park, Indy in transition, and a big fat Ace 66 when I'm doing old-man curb sessions.
Maybe it's ok to have the madness.
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How high is 5 boards? I had an entirely internal, mumbled, conversation with myself about clearing a tennis net (I’m well into my 40’s), went so far as going to a court with no board and decided I was being delusional. Gun to head I don’t think I could ollie 30”, after training.
Looking at that stack, it's mostly 8.38-8.5 boards, with one 8" in it. I just did a similar stack and measured it to be about 28.5", give or take a little. Tennis nets are 36" in the center. Pickleball are 34". I'm not doing either at this age.
Based off your comments earlier in the thread about powells being flat, I looked at some of their stuff, got confused and exited. Is there a shape concave guide im missing? I really like flat boards, but not sure it’s worth it.
They have a flat nose/tail - 18 degrees. The DLX concave is often around 19. Steeper Enjoi/Almost are 21 tail with 24 nose.
The actual concave is more medium.
https://www.skateone.com/manufacturing Current popsicles 8.5" and under are using the K20 concave.
Powell is now doing their maple popsicles in China at the same factory as the Mini Logo. I honestly don't know if there is one bit of difference in the wood, and Mini Logo are 2 for $50 at skateone right now - with better graphics, because a blank deck is better looking than 95% of Powell graphics. Free shipping at $60.
I am currently on a Flight, which is nicer and US built.
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How high is 5 boards? I had an entirely internal, mumbled, conversation with myself about clearing a tennis net (I’m well into my 40’s), went so far as going to a court with no board and decided I was being delusional. Gun to head I don’t think I could ollie 30”, after training.
Looking at that stack, it's mostly 8.38-8.5 boards, with one 8" in it. I just did a similar stack and measured it to be about 28.5", give or take a little. Tennis nets are 36" in the center. Pickleball are 34". I'm not doing either at this age.
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Based off your comments earlier in the thread about powells being flat, I looked at some of their stuff, got confused and exited. Is there a shape concave guide im missing? I really like flat boards, but not sure it’s worth it.
They have a flat nose/tail - 18 degrees. The DLX concave is often around 19. Steeper Enjoi/Almost are 21 tail with 24 nose.
The actual concave is more medium.
https://www.skateone.com/manufacturing Current popsicles 8.5" and under are using the K20 concave.
Powell is now doing their maple popsicles in China at the same factory as the Mini Logo. I honestly don't know if there is one bit of difference in the wood, and Mini Logo are 2 for $50 at skateone right now - with better graphics, because a blank deck is better looking than 95% of Powell graphics. Free shipping at $60.
I am currently on a Flight, which is nicer and US built.
It only really matters what width the top and bottom boards are. Since this is about madness/going overboard if the idea of a tennis net puts you off you could get a running hurdle. They're designed to fall over safely if the person doesn't clear them and are adjustable height. Kids ones prob go right down to 20 inches or something
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String draped across a couple of parking cones can work too. It’ll just pull out of the tape if you hit it instead of grabbing your legs and sending you face first to the other side, which is a fucking nightmare.
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Do forged baseplates slide worse or is that just me?
Not you.
Unless the curb/ledge is completely vertical you get a lot of wheel drag when you stand on it. Standards have more material on the pivot cavity so that helps on stuff that isn’t 90*.
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fuuukkkk.
About 8-10 months ago I decided to go Indy on all the boards I ride most often. I bought some 144 hollows to go with my 149 ti and 159 hollow forged. A few months ago I was able to get two more sets of Ti 159s for about $80 so I picked them up. I still had a setup with Stage 8 146s, and two with Ace that I would very rarely mess around with in the bowl.
I'm turning 50 next month. A year ago I was able to ollie over 5 boards, and this summer I couldn't come close. I chalked it up to skating mostly transition and getting older.
This afternoon I was cleaning the garage and found my Thunder 149 ti that I had on the board when I made it over the 5 and decided to put them on a deck again. Dammit if I didn't add 6 inches to my ollie. I may be able to do it again.
Madness again!!!
50 yo ollieing 5 boards is probably nbd? Put that on youtube/insta/thrasher cover
This was a year and a half ago at 48.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNv9LyDBjBi/
Someone please photoshop him on the SOTY cover of Thrasher.
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Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
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Ok so I'm dumb. I basically have been buying the wrong size shoes for ten years. My toes were hurting the other day so I swapped shoes toe still hurt swapped again still fukn hurt which led me to trying on all like 30 pairs of shoes I have and only 4 pairs don't have my toes scrunched up as default.
What's so much dumber to this situation is I did the exact same thing in 2012 which led me to get rid of all the huge amount of shoes I had back then and start over thinking I'd figured it out lol.
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Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
I'll suck up any gear shittiness to avoid the dreaded new shoes + new grip combination. I may walk around in the new shoes for a week prior to skating them to break in the soles a bit.
Ok so I'm dumb. I basically have been buying the wrong size shoes for ten years. My toes were hurting the other day so I swapped shoes toe still hurt swapped again still fukn hurt which led me to trying on all like 30 pairs of shoes I have and only 4 pairs don't have my toes scrunched up as default.
What's so much dumber to this situation is I did the exact same thing in 2012 which led me to get rid of all the huge amount of shoes I had back then and start over thinking I'd figured it out lol.
How did you get your shoe size wrong for so long?
Growing up I liked the Emerica Kirchart so much that I convinced myself I was a US 10.5 when I was a 9.5 / 10, probably led to unnecessary ankle injuries as a result.
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Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
I'll suck up any gear shittiness to avoid the dreaded new shoes + new grip combination. I may walk around in the new shoes for a week prior to skating them to break in the soles a bit.
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Ok so I'm dumb. I basically have been buying the wrong size shoes for ten years. My toes were hurting the other day so I swapped shoes toe still hurt swapped again still fukn hurt which led me to trying on all like 30 pairs of shoes I have and only 4 pairs don't have my toes scrunched up as default.
What's so much dumber to this situation is I did the exact same thing in 2012 which led me to get rid of all the huge amount of shoes I had back then and start over thinking I'd figured it out lol.
How did you get your shoe size wrong for so long?
Growing up I liked the Emerica Kirchart so much that I convinced myself I was a US 10.5 when I was a 9.5 / 10, probably led to unnecessary ankle injuries as a result.
I think because I just hated being a size 13 (or as it turns out a 14) so I'd just squeeze into size 11s and 12s so it looked more normal, especially in the Dylan fashion/gravis type shoe days. I also played soccer and did distance running too and both of those and skating I felt like I needed the shoes to be super tight to perform properly. In 2012 I had some spine issues took some time off skating, running, soccer and decided I'd walk like two hours everyday because it's the only exercise I could do and that's the first time it I was like fuck this I'm getting bigger shoes so went back to 13s which now I'm thinking at the time seemed like such an improvement I thought it was right.
Then over pandemic I took to wearing flip flops or barefoot which I'd never really done before and I think it allowed my feet to stretch out even more lol
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Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
I'll suck up any gear shittiness to avoid the dreaded new shoes + new grip combination. I may walk around in the new shoes for a week prior to skating them to break in the soles a bit.
New grip & new shoes are indeed the worst. I’ll do anything to avoid that. I break in new shoes by walking first also but I still consider them as new shoes for skating as that they are.
I just changed to new wheels in my old setup. Definitely an adjustment period there but not too bad. Some things are clearly better, some a bit worse. Ideally I’d like to change to new wheels with a new deck but that’s not always possible. New trucks I don’t care if I change anything else with them or not even though I thought I should to get the grooves right but mine are all over the place anyway so it doesn’t matter that much. Bearings, hardware, risers, rails are whatever. Change when needed and use old ones if they’re still in good order. I also usually regrip my boards at some point and that takes some adjustment also even though it’s overall clearly much better.
Small adjustment periods a bit more often is much better for me than changing all at once (ie. shoes & deck).
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Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
Yes, pretty sure everyone in the madness thread can relate to that.
Never skate brand new shoes, bad for your feet and they're just objectively worse to skate in until they are broken in. I usually wear a pair around for almost a month before skating.
I would say its better to swap one component at a time and deal with the differences than to skate a WHOLE fresh setup, that shit just feels horrible imo.
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Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
I struggle to get my timing every time I’m back on the board. I often take five-ten minutes just to roll around and get used to where my tail is gonna click before I go and do anything.
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Unless you're buying really stiff/firm shoes the padding won't pack out much from just walking as it will skating. Skating can loosen up the sole and upper a bit and flex it in, but you can't break in the rubber where you flick or the rear foot padding.
What I prefer is wearing around and then for a few sessions I'll wear them a bit near the end and do lower impact token tricks and some flat. Maybe bring em to skate curbs a bit too. That way I kinda don't care if things feel off- I've already gotten in my good skating for the day and can relax and not freak out.
Wheels I'll put on an older setup for the last week if I'm going to skate the same other shit next. Maybe try to find a slightly less steep deck for my next, but I get used to wheels pretty fast.
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It annoys me but sort of gives me purpose in that I’m working on breaking something in or just enjoying something broken in. I can’t do too much new but I’ve found what I like and it doesn’t stress me out too bad. Something like skating new trucks, it sort of sucks but I’ve been through it enough times that it doesn’t take long to get it sorted or if I don’t like a brand, I’ll repurpose them….
You know the other part of gear madness….that’s not gear……
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Unless you're buying really stiff/firm shoes the padding won't pack out much from just walking as it will skating. Skating can loosen up the sole and upper a bit and flex it in, but you can't break in the rubber where you flick or the rear foot padding.
What I prefer is wearing around and then for a few sessions I'll wear them a bit near the end and do lower impact token tricks and some flat. Maybe bring em to skate curbs a bit too. That way I kinda don't care if things feel off- I've already gotten in my good skating for the day and can relax and not freak out.
Wheels I'll put on an older setup for the last week if I'm going to skate the same other shit next. Maybe try to find a slightly less steep deck for my next, but I get used to wheels pretty fast.
I'm a cupsole guy so walking helps a lot. But you're right, there are some parts of the shoe that really only break in from skating.
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Hey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s💁.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.
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Hey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s💁.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.
IMO, just decide how much surf you want. If it's as much surf as possible, stick to the enjoi/ACE setup. If you want something a bit more well rounded and a little less surfy, stick with the AH/indy setup. I
I ride the 8.38x14.5 and the 8.3x14.4 twin tail from deluxe. both with 149's. im pretty tall though so i like a longer wb.
If you like the height of the standards but find them too heavy i would HIGHLY recommend getting some titanium hangers and putting them on your standard plates. I have been LOVING this mashup lately.
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Indy hollow cast baseplate with titanium hanger seems like the ultimate Indy hack. Standard 55mm height, lighter all around from the hollow kingpin and titanium hanger. Expensive and ridiculous, but might be amazing. All the turn, could run bigger wheels, and lightweight.
Also, I’m so tempted to get a setup with some hollow venture 5.2 Lo’s and an 8 board…. Just want to remember what low trucks used to feel like. That quick pop.
Also got stoked on watching some westgate footage. I think from his nine club interview he rides an 7.75-8.0 with venture hollow light lo’s.
So so tempted..
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Hey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.
IMO, just decide how much surf you want. If it's as much surf as possible, stick to the enjoi/ACE setup. If you want something a bit more well rounded and a little less surfy, stick with the AH/indy setup. I
I ride the 8.38x14.5 and the 8.3x14.4 twin tail from deluxe. both with 149's. im pretty tall though so i like a longer wb.
If you like the height of the standards but find them too heavy i would HIGHLY recommend getting some titanium hangers and putting them on your standard plates. I have been LOVING this mashup lately.
Thank you, that is how I see it too, as crazy as it may sound somewhere deep I know I feel and skate better on the AH/Indy combo. Thunders were fun while it lasted but too low, Ventures had crazy good pinch and pop, but the turn was not for me. Fortunately I do not mind the weight of the Indys for now. Hopefully AH will keep on making these shorter boards, because they are super good imo.
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Indy hollow cast baseplate with titanium hanger seems like the ultimate Indy hack. Standard 55mm height, lighter all around from the hollow kingpin and titanium hanger. Expensive and ridiculous, but might be amazing. All the turn, could run bigger wheels, and lightweight.
Also, I’m so tempted to get a setup with some hollow venture 5.2 Lo’s and an 8 board…. Just want to remember what low trucks used to feel like. That quick pop.
Also got stoked on watching some westgate footage. I think from his nine club interview he rides an 7.75-8.0 with venture hollow light lo’s.
So so tempted..
Yea, im just rocking standard plates and ti hangers, might get cast hollow plates next if i feel the need for less weight. Though i havent really felt that need yet, and my trucks will get lighter as i grind material off of them.
That would be some top tier madness. Rocking hollow cast plates until you grinded enough material off of your titanium hangers to make the standard cast plates feel good again haha.
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Indy hollow cast baseplate with titanium hanger seems like the ultimate Indy hack. Standard 55mm height, lighter all around from the hollow kingpin and titanium hanger. Expensive and ridiculous, but might be amazing. All the turn, could run bigger wheels, and lightweight.
^ ^ ^ this was my secret exit out of truck gear madness (when also paired with aftermarket conical indy bushings).
(http://64.media.tumblr.com/e7106f50ad23043a12cf6ec6d7574475/1143502cd6e56fa3-f1/s400x600/5dadb7ed287c50e2d9e8e3b2371ed60da51abaf9.gif)
the exit out of board gear madness was the Polar 8.5 w/wheel wells
the wheel gear madness still clings sometimes when I cant decide between conical fulls and classics and my size preference varies between 50mm to 56mm
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2015/AXWhcM.gif)
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the wheel gear madness still clings sometimes when I cant decide between conical fulls and classics and my size preference varies between 50mm to 56mm
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2015/AXWhcM.gif)
For me the deck dictates the wheels. I run anything from 54 to 60 mm. I usually wear my wheels down to about 50 mm before I get rid of them so essentially I go from 50 to 60 mm I guess.
Anyway, some decks just work with smaller wheels much better and some much better with bigger wheels. I’m ok with this and can tell quite fast if something feels off wheel wise and then change wheels based on that. Having some options with wheels doesn’t have to mean that it’s madness.
Having typed all that up I just remembered that you said you run the same trucks and decks so everything I wrote is kinda useless as it’s a different case to yours altogether. So never mind or something. ;D
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the wheel gear madness still clings sometimes when I cant decide between conical fulls and classics and my size preference varies between 50mm to 56mm
For me the deck dictates the wheels. I run anything from 54 to 60 mm. I usually wear my wheels down to about 50 mm before I get rid of them so essentially I go from 50 to 60 mm I guess.
Anyway, some decks just work with smaller wheels much better and some much better with bigger wheels. I’m ok with this and can tell quite fast if something feels off wheel wise and then change wheels based on that. Having some options with wheels doesn’t have to mean that it’s madness.
Having typed all that up I just remembered that you said you run the same trucks and decks so everything I wrote is kinda useless as it’s a different case to yours altogether. So never mind or something. ;D
It all makes perfect sense though, so yes I can see what you are saying there.
More than anything, for people who do ride bigger wheels, there are going to be different things to take into account, when compared to others who are only riding smaller wheels.
I used to get the Spitfire Bighead 57 and 59mm wheels and enjoy wearing them down til they were on par with most other people's wheels they bought at 52 or similar size, but having different boards to skate different things has also been my go to since I could have one setup with big wheels and one with smaller / worn down wheels, everything else pretty much the same on both setups too, but some decks would work better than others with the wheel changes.
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I set up a dwindle r7 steep concave. It’s an 8.5” which is smaller than I’d like to skate but I got it for free.
Red top ply.. you see where I’m going here.
Slammed hard slipping out in a mini ramp and I have every reason to blame that board and confirm my suspicion.
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Does anyone else struggle with timing when switching pieces of your set up/shoes? Everyone knows the combination of new shoes and an old board sucks, but what if your shoes are blown but your board still has some life in it? What if youre setting up a board but you know your shoes only have a few good sessions left in them? New wheels feel weird on an old board so does that mean I need to wait until I set up a new board and therefor probably new shoes? It feels wasteful to get new product just for the sake of not feeling weird about something else being new but I dont know how to get around it.
I'll suck up any gear shittiness to avoid the dreaded new shoes + new grip combination. I may walk around in the new shoes for a week prior to skating them to break in the soles a bit.
New grip & new shoes are indeed the worst. I’ll do anything to avoid that. I break in new shoes by walking first also but I still consider them as new shoes for skating as that they are.
I just changed to new wheels in my old setup. Definitely an adjustment period there but not too bad. Some things are clearly better, some a bit worse. Ideally I’d like to change to new wheels with a new deck but that’s not always possible. New trucks I don’t care if I change anything else with them or not even though I thought I should to get the grooves right but mine are all over the place anyway so it doesn’t matter that much. Bearings, hardware, risers, rails are whatever. Change when needed and use old ones if they’re still in good order. I also usually regrip my boards at some point and that takes some adjustment also even though it’s overall clearly much better.
Small adjustment periods a bit more often is much better for me than changing all at once (ie. shoes & deck).
+1 for avoidance of the dreaded new/new deck/shoes combo.
I try my best to keep either one of those variables in the back of my mind when considering swapping out. New kicks can give an old deck a few more sessions of life and a new deck/grip can do similar for a pair of shoes (unless they're totally bagged/packed out and have holes in the soles).
My kicks usually end up being jerry-rigged together with more shoe-goo than leather remaining, though issues with my old-man legs have got me thinking I've probably skated my shoes too many years well past their expiration dates.
Might just have to embrace the madness with respect to new shoes for the sake of my body and to the detriment of my wallet/the environment.
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Hey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s💁.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.
IMO, just decide how much surf you want. If it's as much surf as possible, stick to the enjoi/ACE setup. If you want something a bit more well rounded and a little less surfy, stick with the AH/indy setup. I
I ride the 8.38x14.5 and the 8.3x14.4 twin tail from deluxe. both with 149's. im pretty tall though so i like a longer wb.
If you like the height of the standards but find them too heavy i would HIGHLY recommend getting some titanium hangers and putting them on your standard plates. I have been LOVING this mashup lately.
I wouldn't get too attached to the Deedz deck since he is clearly not on Enjoi anymore
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I never understood the "Koston redrills his trucks" thing, well now I get it. That's the first time I can see it clearly. Second slide, board on the right.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClffeKhr7wF/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/ClffeKhr7wF/)
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Hey guys, first time posting on Slap. Had to make an acc after lurking in this thread.
First of all thank you for this support, nice to know you are not alone in such shit.
So basically after years on 8.25 standart popsicles and Indy 144 forged hollows/thunder 148 hollow lights, I got the madness about an year ago. Wanted to size up a bit.
Long story short, since then I had tried all of the big 4 when it comes to trucks, in multiple widghts combined with multiple sizes and shapes of boards. All in all I’ve (almost) menaged to narrow it down to (almost) two setups and I cannot decide wich one is the right one.
Wheels are excluded, because F4s💁.
The first is Enjoi R7 8.375 DEEDZ Shape paired with ACEs AF1 44.
The second is AH 8.5 14inch WB (the fall drop, basically WBSWB deck) paired with Indys 149 standart.
I am fairly short guy and I like the short wheelbases.
Tbh I’ve tried the AH board with Ventures Hi 5.8 standarts, but I am not sure about getting used to the turn and also the prolonged wheelbase.
Also having a crispy Deedz deck waiting to be used here.
Anyway, It’s far from over as it seems right now, but I’m trying to be strong and get trough this, because I cannot have more than one setup and it hurts my consistency and wallet hehe.
Cheers.
IMO, just decide how much surf you want. If it's as much surf as possible, stick to the enjoi/ACE setup. If you want something a bit more well rounded and a little less surfy, stick with the AH/indy setup. I
I ride the 8.38x14.5 and the 8.3x14.4 twin tail from deluxe. both with 149's. im pretty tall though so i like a longer wb.
If you like the height of the standards but find them too heavy i would HIGHLY recommend getting some titanium hangers and putting them on your standard plates. I have been LOVING this mashup lately.
I wouldn't get too attached to the Deedz deck since he is clearly not on Enjoi anymore
Dwindle used that shape before him, it just happened to be the one he liked and actually skated so they made it his signature shape.
I want to say it was originally from a reissue or throwback series but don't quote me on that, but anyways if you go back and look at older dwindle catalogs you'll see the 8.37 x 31.6 14.2wb football pop up from time to time. I'm sure it won't be as easy to find without them doing all of his decks on it, but I doubt it'll disappear entirely.
Madness also has a shape with those dimensions but square and mellower kicks, I'm ashamed to say it's one of the best boards I've ever skated.
Also fun fact - those dwindle football reissues like the Lotti one are basically just a slimmed down version of that shape. Same mold and everything, just 8 1/8" wide rather than 8 3/8".
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I never understood the "Koston redrills his trucks" thing, well now I get it. That's the first time I can see it clearly. Second slide, board on the right.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClffeKhr7wF/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/ClffeKhr7wF/)
so hes shrinking his wb? interesting. you would think he could just get a board made with the right dims
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
Hey, I wouldn't go there, just speculating his reasoning.
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Are ace still thru diamond? Was there any bad blood there when Koston left Craig co
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.
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Which is best for a flatground skate style : Independent stage 11 139 or Venture 5.2 High ?
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.
If you look at the wheel placement in relation to the nose of the baseplate it’s kind of like a Thunder where you would slide on the wheels instead of the baseplate. Maybe he likes the slide and wheelbase of a Thunder with the stability and kingpin clearance of Venture?
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.
If you look at the wheel placement in relation to the nose of the baseplate it’s kind of like a Thunder where you would slide on the wheels instead of the baseplate. Maybe he likes the slide and wheelbase of a Thunder with the stability and kingpin clearance of Venture?
Think about this one again. He did not change the relative position of the wheels and the baseplate at all
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.
If you look at the wheel placement in relation to the nose of the baseplate it’s kind of like a Thunder where you would slide on the wheels instead of the baseplate. Maybe he likes the slide and wheelbase of a Thunder with the stability and kingpin clearance of Venture?
Doesnt work like that, but i was thinking this at first too when we were discussing this a week or so ago. idk if it was this thread or another.
like @goodatmeth said position of the wheels to the edge of the baseplate doesnt change. only the position of the trucks on the board.
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Ace AF1 are the same height as Venture Hi. Not sure about Classic Ace but I think they are like a 1,5mm lower.
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It's probably more about pop feel than it is about wb. easier to drill one set of baseplates than every deck, because i would think even koston has difficulties getting is board drilled with same shape, just slightly shrunken wheelbase
shorter wb and lighter pop feel? Just ride aces?
i would be very curious to know how close the re drilled ventures are to ace wb.
they're close in height right?
Not sure. IDK why he stopped riding indys if he was just gonna re drill ventures lol.
If you look at the wheel placement in relation to the nose of the baseplate it’s kind of like a Thunder where you would slide on the wheels instead of the baseplate. Maybe he likes the slide and wheelbase of a Thunder with the stability and kingpin clearance of Venture?
Doesnt work like that, but i was thinking this at first too when we were discussing this a week or so ago. idk if it was this thread or another.
like @goodatmeth said position of the wheels to the edge of the baseplate doesnt change. only the position of the trucks on the board.
Hot damn you fuckers are right! The angle in the photo had me tripping.
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HELP!
I’m having an existential crisis trying to decide on my next set of trucks between Independent and Ace.
I’m on Independent now and nothing else grinds as well. I have Ace bushings in them and the turn is almost as good as Ace, but still not quite there. I also love how durable they are, no QC issues like Ace.
I always liked Ace classics, but I always wore them out prematurely (loose kingpins, wallowed out pivot cavity, off-center axles). I had a set of AF1s which were more durable, but I always felt that they had a sticky grind. I ended up giving them away because I didn’t like the way they grind.
I’m really missing the Ace turn/responsiveness and I hear a lot of people say that the AF1s grind really well. Am I crazy for thinking they don’t grind well? Are my expectations too high from riding Indy’s? The classics had a nice grind, but I don’t feel like dealing with all of the QC issues that come with them.
Should I just stick with Indy’s or give AF1s another chance?
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HELP!
I’m having an existential crisis trying to decide on my next set of trucks between Independent and Ace.
I’m on Independent now and nothing else grinds as well. I have Ace bushings in them and the turn is almost as good as Ace, but still not quite there. I also love how durable they are, no QC issues like Ace.
I always liked Ace classics, but I always wore them out prematurely (loose kingpins, wallowed out pivot cavity, off-center axles). I had a set of AF1s which were more durable, but I always felt that they had a sticky grind. I ended up giving them away because I didn’t like the way they grind.
I’m really missing the Ace turn/responsiveness and I hear a lot of people say that the AF1s grind really well. Am I crazy for thinking they don’t grind well? Are my expectations too high from riding Indy’s? The classics had a nice grind, but I don’t feel like dealing with all of the QC issues that come with them.
Should I just stick with Indy’s or give AF1s another chance?
classics for sure grind better than the af1s but i didn’t find my pair massively sticky. ace seems to have pretty good customer service and if you have major issues with classics i’ve seen multiple people here get replacements. sometimes they even send af1s
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Stick with Indy's. Maybe try different bushings.
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Stick with Indy's. Maybe try different bushings.
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Stick with Indy's. Maybe try different bushings.
Thank you, I picked up a set Indys. I’m going to do something really crazy this time and try to keep the stock bushings. If I still hate them after a few sessions I’ll throw some Ace bushings in
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Just get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.
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Just get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks
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Just get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks
Indy super soft (white) bushings are crazy soft and wont affect your geo, but youll likely have to crank them a bit.
honestly I've found that finding the hardest bushing you can ride with the nut flush on the kingpin is what works best for me. You might be surprised at how surfy hard bushings can feel. All depends on your geo/weight obviously. I rock the indy hard black cylinder. go conical if you want a deeper more consistent turn. I prefer the eventual stopping point of the cylinders though. I run 56mm classics on standard height indys with the nut basically flush, weigh about 170lbs and i hardly get any wheelbite. my wheelbite marks are MUCH smaller than pretty much every other board i see.
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Just get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks
Indy super soft (white) bushings are crazy soft and wont affect your geo, but youll likely have to crank them a bit.
honestly I've found that finding the hardest bushing you can ride with the nut flush on the kingpin is what works best for me. You might be surprised at how surfy hard bushings can feel. All depends on your geo/weight obviously. I rock the indy hard black cylinder. go conical if you want a deeper more consistent turn. I prefer the eventual stopping point of the cylinders though. I run 56mm classics on standard height indys with the nut basically flush, weigh about 170lbs and i hardly get any wheelbite. my wheelbite marks are MUCH smaller than pretty much every other board i see.
Tried to ride one of my local parks on the stock Indy bushings and it was terrible. It was in the low 40s today, so the bushings were rock hard and would not turn. I immediately ordered some Ace bushings when I got home. That should end the madness for now
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Indy stock orange mediums work great, but like most bushings out there, they need to be broken in. Aftermarket conical is even better though
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Just get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks
Indy super soft (white) bushings are crazy soft and wont affect your geo, but youll likely have to crank them a bit.
honestly I've found that finding the hardest bushing you can ride with the nut flush on the kingpin is what works best for me. You might be surprised at how surfy hard bushings can feel. All depends on your geo/weight obviously. I rock the indy hard black cylinder. go conical if you want a deeper more consistent turn. I prefer the eventual stopping point of the cylinders though. I run 56mm classics on standard height indys with the nut basically flush, weigh about 170lbs and i hardly get any wheelbite. my wheelbite marks are MUCH smaller than pretty much every other board i see.
honestly, I agree. I’ve been riding white Indy bushings in venture 5.2 hi’s for the past year. no matter how much I skated them, they just still wouldn’t turn. I’ve never rode ventures with stock bushings. so I put the clear ones I got with venture titaniums in. they honestly turn considerably better than the 78a Indy bushings. and I believe all stock venture bushings are 90a.
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Just get Indy blues or blacks if you need harder, maybe try the Supercush 88 or some other 80ish duro if you need softer. I'm sure the Ace are nice, but buying 2 sets of bushings that still don't end up the right height seems like a pain in the ass and likely unnecessary.
I’ve been using Ace low bushings, they’re just barely shorter than the stock bushings. You can also shave down the standard ones. No need to buy two sets.
I had an indoor mini ramp session today on the new set with stock bushings, nut flush. They felt broken in immediately which was nice. Gotta wait for the rain to stop and get a bowl session in to see how they carve. Hopefully I’ll be satisfied so I can stop messing with my trucks
Indy super soft (white) bushings are crazy soft and wont affect your geo, but youll likely have to crank them a bit.
honestly I've found that finding the hardest bushing you can ride with the nut flush on the kingpin is what works best for me. You might be surprised at how surfy hard bushings can feel. All depends on your geo/weight obviously. I rock the indy hard black cylinder. go conical if you want a deeper more consistent turn. I prefer the eventual stopping point of the cylinders though. I run 56mm classics on standard height indys with the nut basically flush, weigh about 170lbs and i hardly get any wheelbite. my wheelbite marks are MUCH smaller than pretty much every other board i see.
Tried to ride one of my local parks on the stock Indy bushings and it was terrible. It was in the low 40s today, so the bushings were rock hard and would not turn. I immediately ordered some Ace bushings when I got home. That should end the madness for now
I had some Ace bushings laying around and I put them on my Indys to replace some blown out stock bushings, and it improved the truck for me greatly.
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My Madness has returned. I normally ride an 8.25 with 144s. The current episode of Madness has me fucking around with 149s instead of 144s. Somedays I love them. Some days I hate them.
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My Madness has returned. I normally ride an 8.25 with 144s. The current episode of Madness has me fucking around with 149s instead of 144s. Somedays I love them. Some days I hate them.
I feel that, that was one my my most recent instances of madness. I ride 8.38 though every now and then 8.25.
I felt like unless I was ONLY skating like flat ground, flatbars, and curbs, skating slow, the 149s we're better overall for me.
The stability and hanger space of a 149 outweighed the ease of flip tricks on 144s.
Now that I've been back on the 149s for a while my flip tricks have completely acclimated.
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I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
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I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.
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I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?
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I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?
1 on the outside, 3 on the inside
So the axles on my threads are never exposed and the nuts will take the brunt of damage. I really hate rethreading axles, broke 3 Silver tools because of rethreading and it's much cheaper / easier to replace the axle nuts.
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The re-threader on the Silver tool is quite poor. The Ace tool has a better one if you'e going the skate tool route. If you do intend on using it I would recommend applying some light oil.
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I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?
So the axles on my threads are never exposed and the nuts will take the brunt of damage. I really hate rethreading axles, broke 3 Silver tools because of rethreading and it's much cheaper / easier to replace the axle nuts.
I'm using one on the outside and 2-3 on the inside since some of the are different thicknesses. I also like a TINY bit of play in my wheel. feels weird to me then theyre properly snug to the washers, where they still spin freely but dont have any play.
EDIT: Some premium madness right here, ACE classic washer are the best imo since they are the thickest. I get the best fit when i use only those. IMNOTCRAZYYOURECRAZY
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I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?
So the axles on my threads are never exposed and the nuts will take the brunt of damage. I really hate rethreading axles, broke 3 Silver tools because of rethreading and it's much cheaper / easier to replace the axle nuts.
I'm using one on the outside and 2-3 on the inside since some of the are different thicknesses. I also like a TINY bit of play in my wheel. feels weird to me then theyre properly snug to the washers, where they still spin freely but dont have any play.
EDIT: Some premium madness right here, ACE classic washer are the best imo since they are the thickest. I get the best fit when i use only those. IMNOTCRAZYYOURECRAZY
Are they thicker than the Quantum washers? I actually love how thick Quantum washers are given I’m riding 148 on 8.4
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I always use enough washers to keep my axel nuts flush, no matter the hanger/board size combo.
That's something I've become particular about haha.
Washer madness got me too, was setting up a fresh board and wanted to stick with 2 on the inside. As I was cranking the axle nuts down flush it felt like there was too much wiggle on the wheels. Took all 4 nuts off and added 1 more washer on the inside.
Run one on outside, too, only on inside?
So the axles on my threads are never exposed and the nuts will take the brunt of damage. I really hate rethreading axles, broke 3 Silver tools because of rethreading and it's much cheaper / easier to replace the axle nuts.
I'm using one on the outside and 2-3 on the inside since some of the are different thicknesses. I also like a TINY bit of play in my wheel. feels weird to me then theyre properly snug to the washers, where they still spin freely but dont have any play.
EDIT: Some premium madness right here, ACE classic washer are the best imo since they are the thickest. I get the best fit when i use only those. IMNOTCRAZYYOURECRAZY
Are they thicker than the Quantum washers? I actually love how thick Quantum washers are given I’m riding 148 on 8.4
not sure. i didnt get washers or extra shields when i ordered my quantums back in the day. I think it was before they did that. Hook me up @Quantum_Bearing_Science !
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Been contemplating changing my whole set up.
I’ve been skating 8s with Thunder 147s for the past 3-4 years. I sized down from 8.25, which I skated for 15 or so years..
I’ve been skating a lot of big chunky DC cupsoles lately and I feel like they kinda dwarf the 8s
Been contemplating going back to 8.25 and getting back on some ventures. Maybe sizing down to 52- 53mm..
changing my entire set up gives me serious anxiety.
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Been contemplating changing my whole set up.
I’ve been skating 8s with Thunder 147s for the past 3-4 years. I sized down from 8.25, which I skated for 15 or so years..
I’ve been skating a lot of big chunky DC cupsoles lately and I feel like they kinda dwarf the 8s
Been contemplating going back to 8.25 and getting back on some ventures. Maybe sizing down to 52- 53mm..
changing my entire set up gives me serious anxiety.
Changing too much at once is always a dangerous game to play for me. If I manage to restrain my madness to changing only one variable at a time, I feel like I have a better idea of knowing if it worked out for the better.
Maybe Ishod it and try the 147s with extra washers on an 8.25 first and let it evolve from there?
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I'm on an 8.25 with 139 Indys with extra washers and it's working out great skating-wise. Aesthetically, I like the proportions of a wider Indy and that's the only thing making me want to size up. But that's my own madness issue.
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147 to venture high will be a 4mm jump in height AND push the wheels out. That is assuming same basic wheelbase and deck dimensions. Sizing down wheels 1-2mm might not make it feel exactly the same either you'd need a mellower deck to kinda get close.
If you have the means then go for it. Skateboards aren't cars worse case you hate it after 6-7 sessions just give it away to a kid. But definitely don't microtweak it to perfection. Use the smallest wheels you would rationally tolerate and if it doesn't work it's not going to magically work.
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Been contemplating changing my whole set up.
I’ve been skating 8s with Thunder 147s for the past 3-4 years. I sized down from 8.25, which I skated for 15 or so years..
I’ve been skating a lot of big chunky DC cupsoles lately and I feel like they kinda dwarf the 8s
Been contemplating going back to 8.25 and getting back on some ventures. Maybe sizing down to 52- 53mm..
changing my entire set up gives me serious anxiety.
I'd just try an 8.25 as your next deck keeping everything else the same, to see if its all in your head. Like others have said, changing too much at once will make it hard to know what component is making each difference.
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I hate all of you. I’m out skating right now, and I have just discovered “washers madness” for the first time. This never would have happened without your help. Currently running 3/1 on 8.25 with Indy forged 144s…and really liking it…halfway between 144/149s…
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I hate all of you. I’m out skating right now, and I have just discovered “washers madness” for the first time. This never would have happened without your help. Currently running 3/1 on 8.25 with Indy forged 144s…and really liking it…halfway between 144/149s…
lmfao sorry man.
But you're welcome for those lovely flush axel nuts and slightly more hanger space
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I'm all in on the washer madness
If you normally run one washer on the inside and bump it up to three, you get about 3-4 extra mm of truck, which is about 1/8 of an inch. That legitimately lands you right in between truck sizes in most cases
this is all insane, but i love it
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I came here for madness “support.” It just got worse. This thread is basically the liquor store that trades in AA sobriety chips for free booze. It should be called the “Madness Worsening Thread.” God damn washer insanity…but damn, my set-up was feeling so good today… :)
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I came here for madness “support.” It just got worse. This thread is basically the liquor store that trades in AA sobriety chips for free booze. It should be called the “Madness Worsening Thread.” God damn washer insanity…but damn, my set-up was feeling so good today… :)
Let's just be thankful. If some irrelevant changes to your wooden toy are what you're worrying about, your life is hella easy
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I came here for madness “support.” It just got worse. This thread is basically the liquor store that trades in AA sobriety chips for free booze. It should be called the “Madness Worsening Thread.” God damn washer insanity…but damn, my set-up was feeling so good today… :)
Let's just be thankful. If some irrelevant changes to your wooden toy are what you're worrying about, your life is hella easy
Well said.
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I came here for madness “support.” It just got worse. This thread is basically the liquor store that trades in AA sobriety chips for free booze. It should be called the “Madness Worsening Thread.” God damn washer insanity…but damn, my set-up was feeling so good today… :)
Let's just be thankful. If some irrelevant changes to your wooden toy are what you're worrying about, your life is hella easy
BIG FAX
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The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
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The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
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Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
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Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
I got the twin tail slick twice and enjoyed it. 8.3 with a 14.38 or 14.4 wheelbase, if I remember the sticker correctly. They felt better to me with Thunder Hollow Lights compared to Venture Lights. Even though my preference is for FA/Hockey Shape #1 or Real SE boards, I’d get another one.
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Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
Yes, I skate them a lot. Like 4 decks in a row at one point. I love them. If the length/WB was a little longer I would probably ride them exclusively.
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This site has ruined my brain.
I grabbed set of the Pig bushings to test out to see if they are cold weather resistant, but the bottoms are too tall for Ventures.
I put them in my set of Royals since they fit perfectly so I can still test the cold weather resistance. If they are I'm going to spend the time to cut them down to make em fit in the Ventures.
Unless someone can tell me which bushings don't freeze so I can spend more money on those.
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Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
Word thanks - I’ll probably skate it with Aces cause the wheelbase is a little longer for me
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Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
Yes, I skate them a lot. Like 4 decks in a row at one point. I love them. If the length/WB was a little longer I would probably ride them exclusively.
Yeah I love Bobby (who doesn’t) and feel like skating another slick so I was thinking about picking one up. I wish they were a little longer but oh well, if it’s good enough for Bobby, I’m sure it will be good enough for 4-5 weeks of mediocre slappy crook and switch noseslide variations
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The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
I did 3 washers on the inside of an indy 144 with 52mm spitfires; a wheel did fall off during a flat ground trick. Went down to 2 where the axel is perfectly flush to the nut and had no issues since. A side effect of the washers is also that when the board hits on the side I don't mush up the axel threads.
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Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
I just had one. It was fine. My nollie pop on it was really good. Oddly I didn't like it much for manual and it felt harder to level out certain tricks with such a small and mellow nose. It's a cool shape and I might ride it after my current DLX 8.25 is up.
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are 8.75 trucks harder to flip vs 8.5 trucks on the same size deck?
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I'm all in on the washer madness
If you normally run one washer on the inside and bump it up to three, you get about 3-4 extra mm of truck, which is about 1/8 of an inch. That legitimately lands you right in between truck sizes in most cases
this is all insane, but i love it
Great, I have mixed thickness washers on my setup right now and it's fucking with me. Guess I know how I'm spending my lunch break.
are 8.75 trucks harder to flip vs 8.5 trucks on the same size deck?
Just went from 8.25 to 8.5 so your experience may vary. Straight flip tricks need 5% more effort but more satisfying when caught. 180 flip tricks are similar in needing more effort but also an adjustment in foot placement. My go-to FS Flip required me to have less front foot on the board to get the flip. Still figuring out the placement for 360 flips, seeing more board under me gives me the confidence to catch them bolts, but I can't get the weight distribution on the scoop to not jump beyond my board.
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The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
I did 3 washers on the inside of an indy 144 with 52mm spitfires; a wheel did fall off during a flat ground trick. Went down to 2 where the axel is perfectly flush to the nut and had no issues since. A side effect of the washers is also that when the board hits on the side I don't mush up the axel threads.
The main thing with all the washer additions is having nuts that still have decent nyloc on them.
That is not to say always have a bag of spare nuts, but depending on how often you change things out, if the nut is starting to get finger tight where you like it, I would be switching it out for a new one, regardless of where the nut sits on the axle.
Like many other things, you can buy a box of axle nuts (along with kingpin and deck bolt nuts) for very little from hardware wholesale suppliers and it will save any issues - directly or on ebay.
More often than not I have three washers on the inside only - don't need any on the outside as the nut pretty much has its own built in washer nowdays, but other people I know are still so used to having a washer on the outside so I would not try to change anyone's mind there.
On some trucks the axle is offset so sometimes I need four on one side and three on the other or something similar. Yes OCD kicks in there too, so I often just run the same number of whatever will fit comfortably on both sides.
As to washers, you can get different width washers too, some brands having thicker ones, some having thinner ones. The bulk buy I got from ebay most recently were a lot thinner than the standard ones, which at first I didn't like but now I find that it is easier to mix and match to make it exactly how far out I need them - all that depending on the brand of truck, the state of the axle and also the brand of bearings, of which some sit wider and some are way more narrow on the axle.
Running spacers between bearings usually means one less washer on too, but that is another story entirely.
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I prefer my wheels flush or just under the deck line, so usually with bigger wheels they sit well on 149s on 8.5 decks, or slightly smaller wheels on 149s on 8.38 size boards, all with three washers on the insides, but I still have maximum grind space in width of truck with the nuts on flush and a touch of wiggle room in the bearings and no nuts falling off for these boards.
Been doing that for a long time, and really liking it, but in experimenting, going up to 159s without inside washers just feels weird, in the same way that riding 144s with maximum washers also feels weird, so those few mm really make such a big difference when muscle memory is so ingrained.
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I got a bag of axel nuts because I deserve them…..
And I land primo a lot…
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Anyone skate one of those Worrest twin tale decks? Did you like it?
Twin tail* decks. Maybe it tells two tales as well a la Charles Dickens
Yes, I skate them a lot. Like 4 decks in a row at one point. I love them. If the length/WB was a little longer I would probably ride them exclusively.
Yeah I love Bobby (who doesn’t) and feel like skating another slick so I was thinking about picking one up. I wish they were a little longer but oh well, if it’s good enough for Bobby, I’m sure it will be good enough for 4-5 weeks of mediocre slappy crook and switch noseslide variations
I've got two on ice right now haha. Will probably set one up next.
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I got a bag of axel nuts because I deserve them…..
And I land primo a lot…
100 should last me a while, the moment the nut doesn't fit into the skate tool I'm tossing it.
Same for kingpin nuts and washers, buy them in bulk and swap when needed.
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The main thing with all the washer additions is having nuts that still have decent nyloc on them.
Local shop lost their lease awhile back and went out bid'ness. Owner gave me a big 'ole bag of nuts on the way out. When I went up to three washers the other day, I put on four new nuts for this exact reason...we'll see how she holds.
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The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
Did you try putting the nut with the nylock facing inside the hanger?
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yea, def dont use so many washers that you dont engage all of the nylock haha, that's no good.
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The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
Did you try putting the nut with the nylock facing inside the hanger?
When I was still a grom, I did that. Guy at the skateshop was pissed when he saw that and to this day I don't know why. I never put on a nut with the nylock facing inside again. And that was 20 years ago ^^
Can someone please enlighten me, why we shouldn't do that? I imagine it might not be good for the hanger, but I honestly have no idea.
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You're crossthreading the axle if you do that. Threads are directional. You got it on once but might never again.
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The once or twice when I put two washers on the inside of the truck, the Nylock nut did not seem to be engaging and I immediately switched back.
Yeah, I am kind of waiting for a wheel to fall off. :)
Did you try putting the nut with the nylock facing inside the hanger?
When I was still a grom, I did that. Guy at the skateshop was pissed when he saw that and to this day I don't know why. I never put on a nut with the nylock facing inside again. And that was 20 years ago ^^
Can someone please enlighten me, why we shouldn't do that? I imagine it might not be good for the hanger, but I honestly have no idea.
Roller skaters have to do that as most skateboard wheels they use have a "normal" width, but their older roller skate wheels (and axles) were more narrow on some brands, so if they didn't remove all washers and put the nut on backwards, they just didn't work and couldn't get the nut to stay on the axle.
I also had to do that on some trucks that had been so damaged or worn down that the nut didn't fit comfortably on the axle without coming loose, but generally I think there is no reason it can't work, besides it looking crazy compared to normal axle nuts.
The nut still works fine when I put it back on the right way and the axle doesn't take any more damage to it from having the nuts on the other way, but from an OCD perspective, it sure does give me the creeps looking at a board like that.
Here is one I did just to see how many washers I could fit on the axle - six all up which pushed it out to 146 (from 144s) but still shy of 149s when compared the two.
(https://i.ibb.co/8dWpLWm/Axle-nut-backwards.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8dWpLWm)
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You're crossthreading the axle if you do that. Threads are directional. You got it on once but might never again.
There are many good reasons not to flip the nut but it's not directional. Left hand and right hand threads are cut opposite, nuts are either/or and flipping it doesn't change the thread direction. You can definitely crossthread the nut easier going in nylock first since it's harder to get it started flat.
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You're crossthreading the axle if you do that. Threads are directional. You got it on once but might never again.
Lol that’s not how direction works.
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Ready to be wrong but instead of a snide remark just explain how it is. I just took my board, removed the axle nut, tried threading a standard nut on "upside down" and it doesn't engage at all let alone thread.
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Ready to be wrong but instead of a snide remark just explain how it is. I just took my board, removed the axle nut, tried threading a standard nut on "upside down" and it doesn't engage at all let alone thread.
It sure is a weird one for me as well - never wanting to do that unless it was the absolute last resort for a long time.
The nyloc actually works against getting the nut on upside down but once you push down hard enough it will get on there and work like it is supposed to, as well as being able to take it off and reuse it the normal way again too.
At first I didn't want to try or even contemplate doing it, but the roller skates I had to fix for people in one shop I worked in helped me understand how it worked.
Initially I would never have wanted to do that, as others have hammered the nut on with a rock or done other really dumb things just to keep a wheel on a skateboard in times of need, with no shop, spare parts or other things available to kids at skateparks.
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I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
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I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
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Bones
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I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.
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I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.
The problem with bones in thunders is that the top bushing is taller, so there's basically not enough space to fully get the nut on unless you don't use a top washer
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I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.
The problem with bones in thunders is that the top bushing is taller, so there's basically not enough space to fully get the nut on unless you don't use a top washer
to be fair, some people view this as an advantage and not a problem
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My local park is kind of rough and always filled with pebbles during winter time, city doesn't do anything about it and I'm sick of riding small hard wheels there. Thinking about finally giving in to the dragons / x formula hype. I would get them in 52mm and I'd prefer x formula, but the riding surface is tiny. So will it actually make a big difference going from 51 mm 101a to 52 mm 97a or are the softer dragons the better choice for a small wheel?
52 mm X formula: 97a, 30 mm wide, 14.5 mm riding surface
52 mm dragons: 93a, 31 mm wide, 14.5 mm riding surface
I want to be able to do crooked grinds on angle iron ledges, which might suck with dragons.
These wheels are super expensive and I'm afraid of regretting it.
tldr: I want the slide of x formula but I'm not sure if they will be smooth enough in 52 mm
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I'd go with the 54 X formula and while they might be big at first they're softer and seem to wear faster. After a month they'll be 53 and wider and fairly soon a 52
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I'd go with the 54 X formula and while they might be big at first they're softer and seem to wear faster. After a month they'll be 53 and wider and fairly soon a 52
Same, 54mm gets my vote, they are the right size when worn down slightly. Skated some street spots on 52mm 101a F4 and while I felt like a bad ass pushing like a maniac, I had zero speed when it came time to popping my board.
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Thanks guys, now I don't want to buy them anymore because I'd only want 52mm max.
Perfect support
Edit: No actually I lied, now I want the 52 dragons. Rewatching Ben Degros review for the 100th time
Edit #2: Are dragons/X actually much better in the fight against pebbles or do they get stuck the same way?
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I have the 52s. They seem to repel pebbles and dust. They are unique in that they feel soft when riding but don’t have the same characteristics of a soft wheel, such as picking up a small pebble. They do give your board a soft pop feeling. But all tricks still work. Like others mention they do have a drag on rails and ledges. Tricks tha t have an even slide like a nose or tail slide work find, but if you big on crooked grinds , or feebles on rails definitely pass.
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Thanks, I'm gonna get them. It's sucky pinched grinds VS sucky everything because of the damn ground
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Anyone else got 'Perfect Set-Up Syndrom' that makes you not to want to disassemble a set-up once the deck has reached the end of its natural tenure b/c after all the set-up was just, eh, a perfect combination of parts?
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I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.
The problem with bones in thunders is that the top bushing is taller, so there's basically not enough space to fully get the nut on unless you don't use a top washer
The Bones in my Thunder with no washer on the bottom and the flat top work just fine. I also used the stock top washer as a bottom no issue either.
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Anyone else got 'Perfect Set-Up Syndrom' that makes you not to want to disassemble a set-up once the deck has reached the end of its natural tenure b/c after all the set-up was just, eh, a perfect combination of parts?
Yes. I have one such setup stashed away. It’s still skateable but I’ll never get back to it as the deck and grip are so worn. Loved it more than any other setup. Dunno if I’ll ever tear it down. I’ve got so much gear that I don’t have to but wasting it by just letting it sit is silly.
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I was able to break in new Thunders in January of this year but somehow this winter is a whole nother level. I keep my board in the house and within minutes skating flat ground my bushings froze solid. Not just hard to turn but like truly solid. I mean it was 19 degrees out. Hoped on the cruiser that has Indys with stock bushings that I keep in the garage and no problem turning at all. I love my Thunder but I’m so close to setting up my Indys for the winter. Madness is in full effect! Any advice is appreciated. Hope you’re all having a great holiday!
Just switch the indy bushings over to the thunders? For me the indy bushings always froze just a tiny bit less then thunders.
Or buy these non-freezing bushings:
Ace
Royal
Mini logo
Bones
I’ve seen a bunch of people with Bones on Thunder so I may give that a go. Aaron Herrington runs them that way and he’s a New York skater so in terms of cold weather that might be the move.
The problem with bones in thunders is that the top bushing is taller, so there's basically not enough space to fully get the nut on unless you don't use a top washer
The Bones in my Thunder with no washer on the bottom and the flat top work just fine. I also used the stock top washer as a bottom no issue either.
Sure but that way the bottom is the wrong height
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It is the correct height if you use the Thunder stock washer, which is mad big compared to the base of the Bones bushing so most people remove it. I just used the top, which is smaller, as the bottom. It ended up being irrelevant as the creaking of the bushings was too annoying to deal with.
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Really love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.
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Really love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.
Some people really like the Ace hard bushings. Have you tried those? I’m running stock ones as loose as possible and it’s probably making things more difficult for me but I just love the turn so much that I don’t really care. :)
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Really love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.
Some people really like the Ace hard bushings. Have you tried those? I’m running stock ones as loose as possible and it’s probably making things more difficult for me but I just love the turn so much that I don’t really care. :)
No, I have Krux bushings in them lol. I took the stock ones out cause they get stuck and my trucks would lean one way 😂
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Really love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.
Some people really like the Ace hard bushings. Have you tried those? I’m running stock ones as loose as possible and it’s probably making things more difficult for me but I just love the turn so much that I don’t really care. :)
The washers in the Ace Classics at least used to be shit. They’re too small. The bushings bulge over them and they don’t turn worth shit with them. I changed mine out for some normal washers always. Not sure if they’ve fixed that after the introduction of the AF1s. On AF1s the washers actually fit the bushings and work with the trucks.
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Really love how Aces turn, but I think I’m too heavy for them. Indys are easier for me to control. Might go back to Ace once I lose some weight.
I regret buying so many setups. Now I always feel like I need to give them another try, and it usually leads to a wasted session.
My main setup is an 8.5 Toy Machine, 159 Indys, spitfire 53 mm wheels. And I was trying to ride an 8.38 Hockey deck with Ace 44s and OJ Plain Jane wheels 😂
Yeah I could still do the same things, but the little things start to add up and get inside my head.
Some people really like the Ace hard bushings. Have you tried those? I’m running stock ones as loose as possible and it’s probably making things more difficult for me but I just love the turn so much that I don’t really care. :)
The washers in the Ace Classics at least used to be shit. They’re too small. The bushings bulge over them and they don’t turn worth shit with them. I changed mine out for some normal washers always. Not sure if they’ve fixed that after the introduction of the AF1s. On AF1s the washers actually fit the bushings and work with the trucks.
I’ll swap them out. I have the classics, got them from a skate shop here and I wouldn’t be surprised if they we’re sitting on their shelves for years (I’m in a small town and they never get business).
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I have the shoe madness more than any other kind of madness. If my feet are uncomfortable or get sore fast it makes everything suck. I wish dunks were easier to get. Seems like the perfect shoe for me.
Vulcs skate the best for me but my feet get so sore. I guess I need support more than I need heavy cushioning. Has anyone put Superfeet in a vulc and had favorable results?
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I have the shoe madness more than any other kind of madness. If my feet are uncomfortable or get sore fast it makes everything suck. I wish dunks were easier to get. Seems like the perfect shoe for me.
Vulcs skate the best for me but my feet get so sore. I guess I need support more than I need heavy cushioning. Has anyone put Superfeet in a vulc and had favorable results?
Not super feet but I use the thickest king foam insoles that footprint offers. They are completely flat and 7mm thick but they get softer and feel thinner after they warm up. I wear those with vulcs and at least for me it’s the perfect combo of board feel and cushioning. Cheap emericas are what I usually get
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I have the shoe madness more than any other kind of madness. If my feet are uncomfortable or get sore fast it makes everything suck. I wish dunks were easier to get. Seems like the perfect shoe for me.
Vulcs skate the best for me but my feet get so sore. I guess I need support more than I need heavy cushioning. Has anyone put Superfeet in a vulc and had favorable results?
I'm running Superfeet Adapt Run insoles in my Nike SB Blazer GT's and they feel real good
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Bought some sale decks with graphics I don’t really like. Now my new madness is, “I can’t skate these ugly ass graphics.”
The shape is all that should matter. But I don’t do boardslides or anything really to scratch up the bottoms of my decks, so I have to look at the graphics for like a month or two.
I just switched out a perfectly good Tactics deck cause I hated the graphic. It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔
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Bought some sale decks with graphics I don’t really like. Now my new madness is, “I can’t skate these ugly ass graphics.”
The shape is all that should matter. But I don’t do boardslides or anything really to scratch up the bottoms of my decks, so I have to look at the graphics for like a month or two.
I just switched out a perfectly good Tactics deck cause I hated the graphic. It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔
Stickers/spray paint
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Bought some sale decks with graphics I don’t really like. Now my new madness is, “I can’t skate these ugly ass graphics.”
The shape is all that should matter. But I don’t do boardslides or anything really to scratch up the bottoms of my decks, so I have to look at the graphics for like a month or two.
I just switched out a perfectly good Tactics deck cause I hated the graphic. It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔
Stickers/spray paint
Yeah that’s what I plan on doing when I circle back to it lol
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It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔
I don't think so, at all. When you look at your gear, it should stoke you out. It should make you happy. It should make you smile. If you look down, and you don't like what you see, it's absolutely going to have an impact on your mood/mental state, and that's going to carry over to your session.
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There’s a thread about removing graphics from decks and using a small amount of acetone was brought up. I have a deck that I’m on the fence about the graphic and the shape and will probably experiment with it by trying to remove the graphic and making wheel wells
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It’s amazing the stuff that can get into your head 😔
I don't think so, at all. When you look at your gear, it should stoke you out. It should make you happy. It should make you smile. If you look down, and you don't like what you see, it's absolutely going to have an impact on your mood/mental state, and that's going to carry over to your session.
I can see that. I do skate better when I’m stoked on my gear. I have a Real Mason Silva deck with this girl in a field waving to some spaceships that have seemingly left her behind and it always makes me smile.
But at the same time, I wonder if I’m just making excuses to switch shit out. Like I’m on this thing right now too where I want nothing on my trucks, no color, no writing, just silver cause it looks cleaner and goes with everything. Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
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Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
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Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
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Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)
Perseverating over the “difference” 53mm vs 52mm wheels make when locking into a f/s 5-0, that’s madness. What you illuminated above? That’s just common sense. :)
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Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)
🙇🙇🙇😅
Yeah I’m not this far gone, yet lol.
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Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)
Yeah I’m not this far gone, yet lol.
besides the bearing cover part, i have this as well man
but honestly not even that bad once you get used to it, i just think of it as knowing what you want and not settling for less
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Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)
Yeah I’m not this far gone, yet lol.
besides the bearing cover part, i have this as well man
but honestly not even that bad once you get used to it, i just think of it as knowing what you want and not settling for less
I got some Bronson g2s for cheap and they are an annoying bright orange. Bones reds never bothered me but this orange was too much. Luckily they felt sluggish to me and I just happened to be reading the bearings thread about bones Swiss so I ordered my first pair of Swiss after years riding bones reds and various other cheap bearings
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Part of me is like, “This shouldn’t matter, it skates the same!” But it does 😭
Not to pour gasoline on your madness, but if bums you out, it does not skate the same; one make you feel bad, one doesn't. The experience is wholly different.
To me, it is absolutely everything to have a setup I am stoked on, shoes and clothes I am comfortable in, which will then put me in a good frame of mind before I even step on a board that day.
Yes there are some boards with some graphics that I am not stoked on, that I scraped off or painted over, along with everything else that is set up to work, or changed to fit to make my mental state willing to have a good skate day.
I have taken graphics off decks, trucks and wheels, just to have things I know work well, with out whatever else was going on to make things weird, just for starters.
More often than not, my setup has plain silver Indy (or other brand) trucks, Classic Spitfire wheels logo removed from both sides, only black shields on bearings, whatever deck I am on that day, often blanked just because the graphics annoy me, two silver bolts at the front when plain black grip, or all black bolts if I have anything like cut up grip to see the nice stain of the board.
Sometimes I will not skate a board as much with nice clean graphics, but once they are a bit scuffed or the graphic taken off, I don't have to think about the graphics at all and can skate without having to worry about how it will or will not slide or grip on the paint too.
How's that for madness???
:)
Yeah I’m not this far gone, yet lol.
besides the bearing cover part, i have this as well man
but honestly not even that bad once you get used to it, i just think of it as knowing what you want and not settling for less
I got some Bronson g2s for cheap and they are an annoying bright orange. Bones reds never bothered me but this orange was too much. Luckily they felt sluggish to me and I just happened to be reading the bearings thread about bones Swiss so I ordered my first pair of Swiss after years riding bones reds and various other cheap bearings
To be fair I have got other colour shields on bearings, along with some without shields, but having Bones Swiss with black shields is where this came from or developed, I think, but my main boards definitely are way more precise in look, colours, everything exactly how it should be.
That way I knew I was on what I found to be the best, longest lasting bearings and they don't stand out so from riding Bones Swiss for a long time, it just made sense to me that a setup with the black shields was just right.
Some of those sets of bearings with two blue, two green, two yellow and two pink were too much though. I found some old shields from other bearings and replaced them, just so I didn't have to look at multi coloured mix ups.
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Been on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?
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Been on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?
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Been on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?
currently the 8.3 dlx twin with a 14.4 wb. I go back and forth between that and the 8.38 dlx shape with the 14.5 wb
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Been on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?
Pinch is always worse for me on bigger wheels. I don't see a point in going over 54. If I'm skating shitty terrain I would go wider first. Personally a wider wheel distributes vibrations and will carry speed better and give me a more consistent pop feel.
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Been on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?
Pinch is always worse for me on bigger wheels. I don't see a point in going over 54. If I'm skating shitty terrain I would go wider first. Personally a wider wheel distributes vibrations and will carry speed better and give me a more consistent pop feel.
yea the 56mm classic bumps up in proportions compared to the 54 so its wider
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Been on the indy standard plates with ti hanger (149) setup for a while with no issues, however when i started that combo i was on some 54mm f4 classics which probably got worn down close to 51 or so by the time they were too small for my liking.
After that I got a set of 56mm f4 classics (my most skated wheel) and things didn't feel quite as good.
I put the forged plates back on this weekend and things seemed good, pop feel wise.
So now im trying to decide between forged plates and 56mm f4 classics, or cast plates and 54mm classics.
pinch is better on the 56mm/forged setup, and the larger wheels plow through crap a bit easier.
However the cast plates sound/grind better, and the weight distribution of the heavier baseplate with the lighter wheels makes my board feel nice.
Wheelbite isnt really an issue for me on either of these setups, but it is obv a little worse on the 56mm/forged combo.
What do you lunatics think about this situation and the tradeoffs mentioned above?
Curious: what width deck you riding with these?
currently the 8.3 dlx twin with a 14.4 wb. I go back and forth between that and the 8.38 dlx shape with the 14.5 wb
I have two set ups. An 8.25 and 8.75 (both DLX). I have slightly bigger wheels on the 8.75. Forged Indy on both. This may be nothing but, well, madness, but I feel like the respective height of each set-up is equal to their size proportions, if that makes any sense. I was asking about your deck width, because I ride forged with 53mm classics on the 8.25. Anything over that height really starts to send me down a death-spiral of anxiety. I do like the feel of standard plates, but can't deal with the 55mm height. Yeah, could drop down wheel size, but that leads to it's own problems. I was going to comment that your set-up, if on the smaller side (e.g. 8.2 - 8.3) gave me a lot of anxiety because of the height, but thought it might as be a "proportional" height on a bigger board...so, figured I asked first. But I digress (into madness)...
As to your actual question...hard call. Sounds like you've got both options running about the same height. The trade off then is mostly the benefits of wheel size variance, and the forged/cast feel. Which is a bigger factor? 56mm will certainly give you more speed, and a more noticeable lock-in on some grinds (I think that would be too much lock-in for me). Aren't 54mm a lot easier to find than 56mm these days, too? I would prolly go with the 56mm/forged option.
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As to your actual question...hard call. Sounds like you've got both options running about the same height.The trade off then is mostly the benefits of wheel size variance, and the forged/cast feel. Which is a bigger factor? 56mm will certainly give you more speed, and a more noticeable lock-in on some grinds (I think that would be too much lock-in for me). Aren't 54mm a lot easier to find than 56mm these days, too? I would prolly go with the 56mm/forged option.
Yea, that's exactly what I'm trying to sort through. In my experiences I find 56mm 99a f4 classics just as much or more than 54s, so i dont think that's an issue i'm worried about. Think I'm just gonna have to give the 54s and cast plates a shot and compare them back to back. I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I'm glad this is the extent of my madness these days. I'll be happy with either of those setups, and I have each component narrowed down to itself or the size adjacent to it. I'm just nitpicking to try and optimize my setup in hopes of being able to just order a 10 pairs of trucks and 50 sets of wheels.
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
When you think about how your foot meets the board in the air its rare that the whole bottom of your shoe immediately meets evenly across the board. Its usually a bit uneven. I feel like the 56mm/forged setup tends to bounce around more in the air when i catch my flip tricks since the weight is distributed around the edges more than the 54mm/cast setup.
But again, im just working off what i remembered the 54mm/cast setup to be like a couple decks ago. Should really setup both on the same shape decks and just take them both to the park and kickflip the euro for like an hour while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.
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...while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.
I fully support/endorse this. :)
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...while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.
I fully support/endorse this. :)
Ha yeah totally!!
I would have the two setups and then choose which board depending on what I wanted to skate or do, but that is just me and I have too many of the similar setups for different things, but besides the people who will only ever have just the one setup for everything, there are many others who enjoy and make the different setups with slightly different parts work to their advantage.
Even to the point where you could get 56mm wheels, then once worn down some, they become the "54mm wheels" on the other board so you only need to get one size wheel right there.
Then depending on how long trucks last, standards vs forged hollows, there is nothing to say you can't just get a few of each, or if you just switch out the baseplates, just keep getting standards and only get a set of forged hollows if or when you need the other baseplates.
Probably not helping, but that is my rational thinking with regard to product anyway.
I am all for finding what works, then when someone / somewhere has good discounts or sales, I know exactly what I want to stock up on, so I never run out of what I usually ride or need.
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I am all for finding what works, then when someone / somewhere has good discounts or sales, I know exactly what I want to stock up on, so I never run out of what I usually ride or need.
I’m have taken this exact approach for years. I have a little stock pile of my regular gear.
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my madness is constantly buying and constantly stocking up but HATING changing things out till they 100% die. i also refuse to have multiple boards setup, so im just sitting on so much shit.
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
When you think about how your foot meets the board in the air its rare that the whole bottom of your shoe immediately meets evenly across the board. Its usually a bit uneven. I feel like the 56mm/forged setup tends to bounce around more in the air when i catch my flip tricks since the weight is distributed around the edges more than the 54mm/cast setup.
But again, im just working off what i remembered the 54mm/cast setup to be like a couple decks ago. Should really setup both on the same shape decks and just take them both to the park and kickflip the euro for like an hour while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.
Ben D= raw hanger forged plate…. Rodney= weighted base plates…..
Go figure….
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
When you think about how your foot meets the board in the air its rare that the whole bottom of your shoe immediately meets evenly across the board. Its usually a bit uneven. I feel like the 56mm/forged setup tends to bounce around more in the air when i catch my flip tricks since the weight is distributed around the edges more than the 54mm/cast setup.
But again, im just working off what i remembered the 54mm/cast setup to be like a couple decks ago. Should really setup both on the same shape decks and just take them both to the park and kickflip the euro for like an hour while switching between setups and screaming at the sky.
Ben D= raw hanger forged plate…. Rodney= weighted base plates…..
Go figure….
Ben degros? I thought he just rode standards?
What point are you trying to illustrate here? Sorry, im slow.
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I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to buy tensor mags.
I only got 60 bucks for the next 9 days.
I fucking want them. It's super hard to be waxing curbs with tendinitis.
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Considering the cost of food and inflation that could be one of the worst ways to spend your remaining money.
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I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to buy tensor mags.
I only got 60 bucks for the next 9 days.
I fucking want them. It's super hard to be waxing curbs with tendinitis.
Well they dont last very long and they're pretty expensive. wouldnt recommend.
Some good ol indy standards will plow through crust with less wax than any other truck though (aside from tensor mags).
BUT theyre WAY too heavy for me personally. you would have some $ left over though lol
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Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
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Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
Take this stack x6, and you’re at about where I’m at :-X
Yeah, honestly… I’m with you on spending money/online shopping as a coping mechanism. I feel like I’m trying to fill some kind if emotional void in my life, and it’s hard to break that cycle.
I can’t be too upset about having enough gear to last me for years, but it is absurd to say the least.
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Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
Take this stack x6, and you’re at about where I’m at :-X
Yeah, honestly… I’m with you on spending money/online shopping as a coping mechanism. I feel like I’m trying to fill some kind if emotional void in my life, and it’s hard to break that cycle.
I can’t be too upset about having enough gear to last me for years, but it is absurd to say the least.
I feel like my issue is I always want to use the newest stuff first and my taste changes so fast. Like I already hate some of the graphics lol. Maybe we can open a skate shop one day 😀
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I've definitely come to sense. I just gotta get softer wax
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I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to buy tensor mags.
I only got 60 bucks for the next 9 days.
I fucking want them. It's super hard to be waxing curbs with tendinitis.
The other week I got some 5.25s for $40 on eBay by submitting a best offer when they were listed for $62 or something. I bookmarked the listing and then a couple days later the seller opened the or best offer option. Let me know if you want the seller name.
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All of my cruisers have been shaped boards and I kinda hated them. So I took this 8.6 deck, combined it with some 9.0 Krux and 60mm Slimeballs. It’s surprising light. Gonna test it out tomorrow. I was tempted to get some 60mm Dragons so I could slide around, but I’m trying to not buy any new parts when I have spare stuff. We’ll see how long I last 🫣
(https://i.ibb.co/D953ZD6/BE6-EE36-A-4698-4-E85-8-B54-549-A6-ECFE638.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D953ZD6)
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I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to buy tensor mags.
I only got 60 bucks for the next 9 days.
I fucking want them. It's super hard to be waxing curbs with tendinitis.
One of the OGs (in his 40s) from my area got some a few weeks ago and said they were the worst truck he's ever had. He said they didn't turn and he had bones bushings in them
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Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
Take this stack x6, and you’re at about where I’m at :-X
Yeah, honestly… I’m with you on spending money/online shopping as a coping mechanism. I feel like I’m trying to fill some kind if emotional void in my life, and it’s hard to break that cycle.
I can’t be too upset about having enough gear to last me for years, but it is absurd to say the least.
Funny you should mention a skateshop, as via @rocklobster (who is the goddamn man btw!) I basically was the catalyst for just that!
My shoe bin is just as bad as my deck bin!
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Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
Take this stack x6, and you’re at about where I’m at :-X
Yeah, honestly… I’m with you on spending money/online shopping as a coping mechanism. I feel like I’m trying to fill some kind if emotional void in my life, and it’s hard to break that cycle.
I can’t be too upset about having enough gear to last me for years, but it is absurd to say the least.
I have definitely been in a position where I stocked up on a specific thing, only to end up riding a different size board - black eagle 8.125 x 20 or more, then went up to 8.38 or 8.5 so I either had a whole lot of nice wall hangers, or found people to pass them on to. I wasn't about to just list them on ebay or anything.
Sometimes it can come back to bite you but more often than not having options and a few (I say a few but yeah probably lots) different options for when you want to set up the next board is a good thing. You can always take any you are completely not going to ride with you and see if anyone you skate with wants to buy / swap / whatever, or just in case there is a kid or other somewhere that might be deserving of a board, you have one ready to go for them.
I think the buy and sell market on here is pretty good too, but not being in USA, it might be a good thing I can't jump on all the good deals people have up in the sale section. Moving some stuff you don't want and helping a fellow skater could be a double plus.
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Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
I’m in a similar situation as you are. What helped me was to post it all in this thread. I made it quite well visible how mad it is. I haven’t bought new skate stuff for a good while. I did buy some rails a while ago because I wanted to have the right color.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that you’re not alone in this and trying to focus on something else might be helpful. I’ve skated more and if I can’t skate but want to fill in the skating void in my life I’ve been watching videos more. Even trick tips and shit like that. I’ve realized that buying excess stuff doesn’t make me a better skater nor does it make me happy so I try to actively avoid it and replace it with something better. Instead of going to the skate shop if I have no need or browsing online, I now rather try to read a book, do some stretching, draw or whatever else I find pleasure in.
I’m currently skating an old deck I gripped years ago and never rode with wheels I thought I’d never end up riding. Feels awesome. Little bit more manageable than the bigger setups I’ve been skating lately. My tastes are changing all the time and they’re going back and forth also so it seems like I’ll have use for the older stuff I figured I’d maybe never skate.
Also just donating and selling the excess stuff you have can be helpful. I’ve done that lately with like 70% of the clothes I have and it’s such a good feeling reducing all the excess shit I don’t need.
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Just stacked all my new a barely used decks on my desk. God, I have a problem. I skate a couple days a week at most. It’ll take me at least three years to use all this shit. A deck can last me for three months and this is Ohio, so I barely skate in the winter. So I could get by with like four decks a year. Also, I have five setups 😵💫
(https://i.ibb.co/fx2hJ6C/0693-B6-D4-10-AE-4-AAB-95-EA-67-F8-E62-DF796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fx2hJ6C)
On some real stuff, I need to get my stress under control. I think I’ve been buying skate stuff as a coping mechanism.
It's the same as endlessly scrolling on Instagram, I find myself adding stuff I don't need to cart and keeping it there, that time could have been spent on more productive activities, like learning to play squash.
It's 2023, time to stop hoarding like its 2020!
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“Anyway, I just wanted to say that you’re not alone in this and trying to focus on something else might be helpful. I’ve skated more and if I can’t skate but want to fill in the skating void in my life I’ve been watching videos more. Even trick tips and shit like that. I’ve realized that buying excess stuff doesn’t make me a better skater nor does it make me happy so I try to actively avoid it and replace it with something better. Instead of going to the skate shop if I have no need or browsing online, I now rather try to read a book, do some stretching, draw or whatever else I find pleasure in.”
I actually had this realization a few days ago. The thing that makes me happiest in skating is learning something new, even if it’s just getting better at riding switch. When I look back at my old footage it makes me smile cause I’ve come a long way. Buying tons of crap is probably holding me back cause I never get used to one set up. I think I’m going to just start riding stuff until it breaks or razor tails.
Edit: I messed up the quote, this is in reply to Roisto.
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
reporting back, first sesh on the 54mm and cast plates yesterday. most of my assumptions were accurate.
I prefer the way my board feels while in the air with this setup. I noticed i was catching my flip tricks much more confidently and there was an audible *slap* multiple times as the board met my foot. When doing 180s I could feel my board under my feet better while in the air, and felt like i could manipulate it more easily.
The tradeoffs were mostly expected and centered around the wheel change mainly. i dont carry speed as well on the 54mm vs the 56mm classics, BUT i did actually notice a feeling of slightly faster acceleration. This might be due to my bearings just about hitting that perfect point after you clean them when they are at their fastest though.
The one objective con i was feeling was that I was having a harder time getting into harder tricks on higher ledges (back tail/smith). BUT this might be due to be switching from the dlx 8.3 twin to the dlx 8.38 which is a longer board with a longer WB. I know i shouldve only changed the wheels and baseplate combo at first but my last deck was beat and i already had this one gripped.
Going to put the forged/56mm on the 8.38 today and get an honest comparison.
I could def skate either of these setups fine, and i think the tradeoffs sort of cancel each other out.
Its literally a toss up at this point.
Pinch might be the deciding factor if I have just as hard of a time getting the forged setup up onto that taller ledge today.
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
reporting back, first sesh on the 54mm and cast plates yesterday. most of my assumptions were accurate.
I prefer the way my board feels while in the air with this setup. I noticed i was catching my flip tricks much more confidently and there was an audible *slap* multiple times as the board met my foot. When doing 180s I could feel my board under my feet better while in the air, and felt like i could manipulate it more easily.
The tradeoffs were mostly expected and centered around the wheel change mainly. i dont carry speed as well on the 54mm vs the 56mm classics, BUT i did actually notice a feeling of slightly faster acceleration. This might be due to my bearings just about hitting that perfect point after you clean them when they are at their fastest though.
The one objective con i was feeling was that I was having a harder time getting into harder tricks on higher ledges (back tail/smith). BUT this might be due to be switching from the dlx 8.3 twin to the dlx 8.38 which is a longer board with a longer WB. I know i shouldve only changed the wheels and baseplate combo at first but my last deck was beat and i already had this one gripped.
Going to put the forged/56mm on the 8.38 today and get an honest comparison.
I could def skate either of these setups fine, and i think the tradeoffs sort of cancel each other out.
Its literally a toss up at this point.
Pinch might be the deciding factor if I have just as hard of a time getting the forged setup up onto that taller ledge today.
Dude. You swapped out two new things at the same time?!? Holy Hell. Bold move.
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Ya dude I've ridden both of those decks and the 8.38 DLX has better pop every time because having a nose helps me level things out nicer. I'd pretty much expect this summary. But frankly even 54 feels too tall and tippy for me on Indy's so I'll never ride that combo again probably.
53's tho...
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
reporting back, first sesh on the 54mm and cast plates yesterday. most of my assumptions were accurate.
I prefer the way my board feels while in the air with this setup. I noticed i was catching my flip tricks much more confidently and there was an audible *slap* multiple times as the board met my foot. When doing 180s I could feel my board under my feet better while in the air, and felt like i could manipulate it more easily.
The tradeoffs were mostly expected and centered around the wheel change mainly. i dont carry speed as well on the 54mm vs the 56mm classics, BUT i did actually notice a feeling of slightly faster acceleration. This might be due to my bearings just about hitting that perfect point after you clean them when they are at their fastest though.
The one objective con i was feeling was that I was having a harder time getting into harder tricks on higher ledges (back tail/smith). BUT this might be due to be switching from the dlx 8.3 twin to the dlx 8.38 which is a longer board with a longer WB. I know i shouldve only changed the wheels and baseplate combo at first but my last deck was beat and i already had this one gripped.
Going to put the forged/56mm on the 8.38 today and get an honest comparison.
I could def skate either of these setups fine, and i think the tradeoffs sort of cancel each other out.
Its literally a toss up at this point.
Pinch might be the deciding factor if I have just as hard of a time getting the forged setup up onto that taller ledge today.
Dude. You swapped out two new things at the same time?!? Holy Hell. Bold move.
Yea, not my smartest moment. Went back and forth on the two setups on the dlx 8.38. ended up chipping the FUCK out of the tail and cracking it shortly after..... Focused and went home haha.
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Okay, my madness has turned to wheels. Thinking about getting a digital caliper so I can measure them 😅
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Okay, my madness has turned to wheels. Thinking about getting a digital caliper so I can measure them 😅
Uhm…you shouldn’t be posting in this thread it you don’t already have calipers…
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Okay, my madness has turned to wheels. Thinking about getting a digital caliper so I can measure them 😅
Uhm…you shouldn’t be posting in this thread it you don’t already have calipers…
Haha, I figured most of y’all already had them. Maybe there’s still hope for me 🥹
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Okay, my madness has turned to wheels. Thinking about getting a digital caliper so I can measure them 😅
https://youtu.be/T437DdmFNPU
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Definitely good to measure your wheels every now and then so that you can rotate them to wear them out evenly enough. Nothing mad about that. I’ve managed with an analogue one so far though.
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help me for this madness..
I'm small ; 5,8 and do 8 feet size, and I don't have long legs. I skate a lot a lot of flat and some tricks that I used ten years ago, I can't do it anymore.
For spring, I want to buy myself a new board .. but so many doubts and questions:
Choice number 1: I stay with my current setup, That I often ride a lot, apart from my big gap period when I was in 8.125. which is an 8.0 board, with venture 5.2 high, 52 mm wheels, 31.5 in maximum length and wheelbase 14 (only on Ventures) Except that I replace the ventures raw with the V lights and hollow.
Choice number 2: Sometimes I think to myself that 8.0 is sometimes unstable and maybe I would have more confidence on the wider.. I would choose an 8.125, with the same, a length of 31.1 to 31.5, and thunder 147.. The wheels would not change (51/52), and I would also like to have a change in weight to help me with certain tricks.. The only thing that bothers me about the 147s and I have tried these trucks before is that they may be too light and spin too fast.. Tried them on 8.0, and sprained my ankle on a 360 flip that spun 540 with too fast pop.. That's why there is option 3:
Choice number 3: To be a little lower to help me on flats, because sometimes with Venture I have to jump very high, I would go for Thunder 148s with an 8.125 or even 8.25.. because many tell me wider board that helps to land better, without having a foot touching the ground, and that the choice in board is much more present.. The 148 are also a little higher than the 147 and much less a feeling of "tight trucks", I like the middle in tightness.. I would of course opt for a small board in length..
As I said, I do a lot of flats and sometimes small gaps, banks and a few manuals.. I very rarely grind and slide!
Maybe I overthink it, but this is madness as you can see haha Thanks for your help.. :-*
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help me for this madness..
I'm small ; 5,8 and do 8 feet size, and I don't have long legs. I skate a lot a lot of flat and some tricks that I used ten years ago, I can't do it anymore.
For spring, I want to buy myself a new board .. but so many doubts and questions:
Choice number 1: I stay with my current setup, That I often ride a lot, apart from my big gap period when I was in 8.125. which is an 8.0 board, with venture 5.2 high, 52 mm wheels, 31.5 in maximum length and wheelbase 14 (only on Ventures) Except that I replace the ventures raw with the V lights and hollow.
Choice number 2: Sometimes I think to myself that 8.0 is sometimes unstable and maybe I would have more confidence on the wider.. I would choose an 8.125, with the same, a length of 31.1 to 31.5, and thunder 147.. The wheels would not change (51/52), and I would also like to have a change in weight to help me with certain tricks.. The only thing that bothers me about the 147s and I have tried these trucks before is that they may be too light and spin too fast.. Tried them on 8.0, and sprained my ankle on a 360 flip that spun 540 with too fast pop.. That's why there is option 3:
Choice number 3: To be a little lower to help me on flats, because sometimes with Venture I have to jump very high, I would go for Thunder 148s with an 8.125 or even 8.25.. because many tell me wider board that helps to land better, without having a foot touching the ground, and that the choice in board is much more present.. The 148 are also a little higher than the 147 and much less a feeling of "tight trucks", I like the middle in tightness.. I would of course opt for a small board in length..
As I said, I do a lot of flats and sometimes small gaps, banks and a few manuals.. I very rarely grind and slide!
Maybe I overthink it, but this is madness as you can see haha Thanks for your help.. :-*
If you are posting in this thread, there is only one obvious answer: set-up all three options. Rotate between them ever 3-5 min, to assure that you never skate one long enough to establish sufficient muscle memory to become consistent at anything. Then, blame your shoes, and get three different sets of those, to exacerbate the problem.
In all seriousness, set-up something the middle ground. Take note of what you like/don't like about it, and adjust as needed.
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I think the deciding factor will be how the board filps/feels in the air. and if the heavier plate really made the difference i thought it did.
I barley passed geometry in HS, so I know nothing about physics and the like, but somehow I think where the weight is distributed would make a bigger difference in flip tricks...which is to say that I think more weight on the edge of the board (e.g. wheels) would have a more substantive impact than weight in the center of the board (e.g. plates). Of course, this only (or does it?) only applies to rotation on the lengthwise axis (kickflips vs. shuvs/tre/etc.). Please report back. I am kind of fascinated by this one.
reporting back, first sesh on the 54mm and cast plates yesterday. most of my assumptions were accurate.
I prefer the way my board feels while in the air with this setup. I noticed i was catching my flip tricks much more confidently and there was an audible *slap* multiple times as the board met my foot. When doing 180s I could feel my board under my feet better while in the air, and felt like i could manipulate it more easily.
The tradeoffs were mostly expected and centered around the wheel change mainly. i dont carry speed as well on the 54mm vs the 56mm classics, BUT i did actually notice a feeling of slightly faster acceleration. This might be due to my bearings just about hitting that perfect point after you clean them when they are at their fastest though.
The one objective con i was feeling was that I was having a harder time getting into harder tricks on higher ledges (back tail/smith). BUT this might be due to be switching from the dlx 8.3 twin to the dlx 8.38 which is a longer board with a longer WB. I know i shouldve only changed the wheels and baseplate combo at first but my last deck was beat and i already had this one gripped.
Going to put the forged/56mm on the 8.38 today and get an honest comparison.
I could def skate either of these setups fine, and i think the tradeoffs sort of cancel each other out.
Its literally a toss up at this point.
Pinch might be the deciding factor if I have just as hard of a time getting the forged setup up onto that taller ledge today.
Dude. You swapped out two new things at the same time?!? Holy Hell. Bold move.
Yea, not my smartest moment. Went back and forth on the two setups on the dlx 8.38. ended up chipping the FUCK out of the tail and cracking it shortly after..... Focused and went home haha.
For two things at once, I am surprised this session ended with only a focused board. I'd say you came out ahead.
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help me for this madness..
I'm small ; 5,8 and do 8 feet size, and I don't have long legs. I skate a lot a lot of flat and some tricks that I used ten years ago, I can't do it anymore.
For spring, I want to buy myself a new board .. but so many doubts and questions:
Choice number 1: I stay with my current setup, That I often ride a lot, apart from my big gap period when I was in 8.125. which is an 8.0 board, with venture 5.2 high, 52 mm wheels, 31.5 in maximum length and wheelbase 14 (only on Ventures) Except that I replace the ventures raw with the V lights and hollow.
Choice number 2: Sometimes I think to myself that 8.0 is sometimes unstable and maybe I would have more confidence on the wider.. I would choose an 8.125, with the same, a length of 31.1 to 31.5, and thunder 147.. The wheels would not change (51/52), and I would also like to have a change in weight to help me with certain tricks.. The only thing that bothers me about the 147s and I have tried these trucks before is that they may be too light and spin too fast.. Tried them on 8.0, and sprained my ankle on a 360 flip that spun 540 with too fast pop.. That's why there is option 3:
Choice number 3: To be a little lower to help me on flats, because sometimes with Venture I have to jump very high, I would go for Thunder 148s with an 8.125 or even 8.25.. because many tell me wider board that helps to land better, without having a foot touching the ground, and that the choice in board is much more present.. The 148 are also a little higher than the 147 and much less a feeling of "tight trucks", I like the middle in tightness.. I would of course opt for a small board in length..
As I said, I do a lot of flats and sometimes small gaps, banks and a few manuals.. I very rarely grind and slide!
Maybe I overthink it, but this is madness as you can see haha Thanks for your help.. :-*
If you are posting in this thread, there is only one obvious answer: set-up all three options. Rotate between them ever 3-5 min, to assure that you never skate one long enough to establish sufficient muscle memory to become consistent at anything. Then, blame your shoes, and get three different sets of those, to exacerbate the problem.
In all seriousness, set-up something the middle ground. Take note of what you like/don't like about it, and adjust as needed.
Lighter can help, lower helps me.
I’d just stay with what you have. Bigger wasn’t helpful to me, at all, as I’ve aged. Flip tricks on a wider heavier board make the session shorter, as the small tendons and muscles in my legs get tired.
The difference between 8 and 8.125 isn’t huge, do whatever there.
Tail length, and board length is more important to me.
My favorite trucks are ventures, 5.0 lo’s and 5.2 lo’s, then thunder 147s, then venture 5.2 HI’s.
Wheels 52 and below, 53 if I’m lying to myself, above that if I’ve completely lost my mind and want to make myself bummed.
As we get older, lighter setups can help, but it does mess with muscle memory.
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As we get older, lighter setups can help, but it does mess with muscle memory.
Facts.
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Damn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️
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Damn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.
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Damn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.
Yeah I was gonna put it in my bag but after seeing the readings it’s going on the shelf lol. At my current rate it’ll take a couple of years for my wheels to get small.
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Damn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.
Keep in mind wheels aren’t always exactly as labeled. For example if they measure 53.6-54.4 they get labeled 54. If they measure 54.5 they may get labeled 54 or 55. Urethane cooling is not an exact science as humidity and temperature can affect how much they shrink as they cure. Just a little something else to add to the madness.
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Damn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.
Keep in mind wheels aren’t always exactly as labeled. For example if they measure 53.6-54.4 they get labeled 54. If they measure 54.5 they may get labeled 54 or 55. Urethane cooling is not an exact science as humidity and temperature can affect how much they shrink as they cure. Just a little something else to add to the madness.
At least with bones, it seems pretty exact. I bought 2 sets of 54mm wheels over the last year and every single wheel was between 54.20 and 54.40.
With my most recent set of X formula 52mm wheels, every single wheel even was between 52.25 and 52.35.
There's something with bones wheels and additional 0.30 mm.
On the other hand my 52 dragons were all around 51.60.
Bones gives, powell takes?
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Damn, got a caliper and measured all my wheels. And all of them are still the same size they were when purchased lol. Guess I should’ve expected that since I skate a couple times a week exclusively on smooth tennis courts and have five setups 🤦🏾♂️
As some one who used to carry calipers in his skate bag...don't. It is a long winding road that leads who way too much overthinking and swapping out wheels way sooner than you actually need to. For whatever reason I never stress about small wheels getting too small and will skate 51s down to bearing condoms. But if I have something bigger, it is automatically, "oh these 60s are 58...time for new wheels!!"
Shit is insanity.
Great great great point.
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
IF you're gonna buy one of those wheels, just get the bones 97 and end the madness. It's the current best.
Less grippy than the 99a stf, while also smoother.
Definitely not the mini logos, they're great wheels but they don't slide
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
97A Spitfire Formula Four Conical Fulls in 54 mm or bigger. Damn nice wheels. They’re not cruiser soft but the reduce the bad vibes a hell of a lot more and roll better than even 58mm 99A F4s and slide just as well. They’re no cruiser wheel smooth though if that’s what you’re after.
I haven’t tried the new Bones or Powell wheels. I tried the Bones Easy Streets when they came out and they sucked so bad I figured I’ll never waste my money on their bullshit again. So I can’t compare to the new X-formula or Dragons but I have my doubts about them.
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
The perfect setup doesn’t exist and in my case, it is cause I have a deeper issue with myself. I think it’s cause I grew up dirt poor and now I have this hoarder, FOMO mentality, so I just buy shit and do my best to justify it. Now I think it is worth finding the right setup, but at a certain point you have to just go out and skate or do other things (looking forward to Ant-Man 3 tomorrow). This is supposed to be fun, and looking at gear all day isn’t fun, it stresses me out.
I’m practicing gratitude, basically just being thankful for the five setups I have and trying to make the most out of them. It might sound crazy, but I legit love some of these setups cause I built them and tweaked them to my needs. So I want to give them what they deserve—some good sessions that will ultimately destroy them 😈
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The perfect setup doesn’t exist and in my case, it is cause I have a deeper issue with myself. I think it’s cause I grew up dirt poor and now I have this hoarder, FOMO mentality, so I just buy shit and do my best to justify it. Now I think it is worth finding the right setup, but at a certain point you have to just go out and skate or do other things (looking forward to Ant-Man 3 tomorrow). This is supposed to be fun, and looking at gear all day isn’t fun, it stresses me out.
I’m practicing gratitude, basically just being thankful for the five setups I have and trying to make the most out of them. It might sound crazy, but I legit love some of these setups cause I built them and tweaked them to my needs. So I want to give them what they deserve—some good sessions that will ultimately destroy them 😈
@OhioGuy beautiful post.
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So, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"
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So, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"
This is how the cycle begins lol
im still struggling with my cast/forged dilemma shit is annoying
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
I know many people are anti-shockpad, but the Ace 1/16" are rad. They don't add much height and they do make a difference when pushing around on rougher terrain. I'll take them over feeling like I need to ride something other than 99 F4s. They're also way cheaper than buying new wheels.
If you really don't want to do that, the 97 F4s are great for crust. I just like the 99s because of how they perform and I know I can get a set at any decent skate shop.
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So, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"
I setup a girl griffin shaped board last year, despite it being way outside of my preferences (8.5, 14.5 wb, 32, all at least .5 inch longer/wider than what I like to ride). Had 149 thunders and 52 conical fulls, neither of which I’d choose, regularly.
Here’s the fucking thing…after a few days of being weirded out, I started landing way more 360 flips, switch flips, and kickflips. This is pretty much all of my skating, slow flatground bs. And maybe like 6 tricks, no ledges near me. Aaaaaaanyway, to the poor soul that has read this far: that setup was the shit. I could skate that thing from now on and be fairly sorted. Shit just worked. Huge fan. That particular crail shape has a short tail, which makes the setup feel like a bigger small board (gentle slap reader will note that this assertion is, stupid). The pop points felt very familiar.
I made the decision to skate smaller boards, and mainly ventures, just because, and that has worked well.
The deviation from my normal setup showed me the importance of tail length, and more so, that one can adjust with time. I spent more time on that setup than others, for a variety of reasons (I was working significantly less, and I kind of disgusted myself with buying lots of shit and was just going to sit there and make it work).
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
I know many people are anti-shockpad, but the Ace 1/16" are rad. They don't add much height and they do make a difference when pushing around on rougher terrain. I'll take them over feeling like I need to ride something other than 99 F4s. They're also way cheaper than buying new wheels.
If you really don't want to do that, the 97 F4s are great for crust. I just like the 99s because of how they perform and I know I can get a set at any decent skate shop.
I've been really leaning towards trying out some 97a's for my crust setup since the dragons drag so hard on grinds.
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So, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"
This is how the cycle begins lol
im still struggling with my cast/forged dilemma shit is annoying
I used to super care about the cast v. Forged. The vibrations. Couldn’t skate for awhile m, just being too occupied with bs, and now I suddenly don’t care. It’s weird. A significant part of this may be that I stoped trying to ride bigger boards. When I size up, I need everything to be just so, ish, otherwise it sucks, but if I just stick to an 8, doesn’t fucking matter: trucks, wheel sizes…for the most part sorts itself out
God I want some fucking ipath cats. Wore my wallabees yesterday, and if they were not such ankle breakers I would skate them.
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
I know many people are anti-shockpad, but the Ace 1/16" are rad. They don't add much height and they do make a difference when pushing around on rougher terrain. I'll take them over feeling like I need to ride something other than 99 F4s. They're also way cheaper than buying new wheels.
If you really don't want to do that, the 97 F4s are great for crust. I just like the 99s because of how they perform and I know I can get a set at any decent skate shop.
I've been really leaning towards trying out some 97a's for my crust setup since the dragons drag so hard on grinds.
Highly recommend them. Had no drag issues on my crooks. Only complaint is that they wore down way faster than the 99s.
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So, I am currently experiencing something entirely new. I am calling it "Ancillary Madness." I have/know what my "perfect" set-up (DLX 8.25/14.38, Indy 144 Forged, Spit 53mm Classics). However, right now I am toying around with some Thunders, and 52mm Conicals. I am under no illusions, pretenses, or aspirations to improve my set-up. To that end, I know I am riding a "sub-standard" set-up with Thunders/52 Connies, and with some undetermined amount of time, I know I'll be back to my usual. So, why I am doing it then? Just for some simple variety and curiosity. Maybe this what "matured madness" looks like--it's not an obsessing over minutiae (1 or 2 inside washers?), but more of "I know what I like...but I am going to try this, anyway, just for...fun?"
This is how the cycle begins lol
im still struggling with my cast/forged dilemma shit is annoying
I used to super care about the cast v. Forged. The vibrations. Couldn’t skate for awhile m, just being too occupied with bs, and now I suddenly don’t care. It’s weird. A significant part of this may be that I stoped trying to ride bigger boards. When I size up, I need everything to be just so, ish, otherwise it sucks, but if I just stick to an 8, doesn’t fucking matter: trucks, wheel sizes…for the most part sorts itself out
God I want some fucking ipath cats. Wore my wallabees yesterday, and if they were not such ankle breakers I would skate them.
Forged have harsher vibrations i assume? and yea wallabees with that skinny heel is a recipe for a roll
Highly recommend them. Had no drag issues on my crooks. Only complaint is that they wore down way faster than the 99s.
Thanks man, think ill take a swing at them
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
I’m practicing gratitude, basically just being thankful for the five setups I have and trying to make the most out of them. It might sound crazy, but I legit love some of these setups cause I built them and tweaked them to my needs. So I want to give them what they deserve—some good sessions that will ultimately destroy them 😈
Genuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.
Thanks everyone for the recs, I'm gonna wear these current spits I have til they're bearing covers and then decide how I'm feeling- I'll spring for one of the 97a wheels. Probably the spits. Hopefully this makes the madness dormant.
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Genuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.
I've had the conversation with my brother growing up like this. The idea that being poor means that you can't freely get rid of shit because you don't know if you will be able to replace it, which can lead to collecting/hoarding.
I have too many setups - I think around 10. And I have a brand new Enjoi 8.75 deck sitting next to my desk, some Ace AF1s, and 3-4 sets of wheels I could use on it. It's a disease. I find deals ($29 for the Enjoi shipped. Oh, someone on Facebook markeplace has Indy Ti for $40 - even though I don't need them. etc..) and then don't pass the stuff on that I don't like because just maybe it'll work with this other setup.
If I hadn't grown up poor, I feel like I would be a lot more free to give up on things. Take the Ace AF1s. I have tried them on at least 4 boards and can't ollie for shit with them. But maybe if I try them on X board they will work. No? Ok, how about this one? I have decks that for whatever reason haven't worked out, but I keep them around because maybe I'll come back to them. Spoiler - I seldom do.
Now here's the fucking kicker. Last fall I scored a great job. I'm solidly in the 6 figures, with a likely 20% bonus coming in September, and my wife has a job. It's the first time in many years that I'm not concerned about cash flow. But I'm still doing shit like waiting for the SkateWarehouse sale where I can get a shop deck with grip for $16 after buying a sale deck.
Growing up poor wires your brain differently.
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Slammed a few weeks ago and been staying off the board as it was my ribs and hand. Didn't want to risk bailing and making it hurt any worse. Started tinkering around in the parts bin. Can someone convince me not to put these ventures on since the ACE are working perfectly fine.
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Slammed a few weeks ago and been staying off the board as it was my ribs and hand. Didn't want to risk bailing and making it hurt any worse. Started tinkering around in the parts bin. Can someone convince me not to put these ventures on since the ACE are working perfectly fine.
stick with the Ace's my dude. the lighter pop feel will come in handy since you've been off the board for a while.
as much as I love my Ventures, I've been really enjoying sessions on my Ace setup
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Go and tighten down your Aces like you’re going to skate the mega ramp…..if you have the time of your life then maybe Venture are for you…..
it’s not totally like that but they are very different trucks. You can have these feelings, but when you want these extremes…it merely supports the idea that the correct answer is to shut the fuck and ride Indy’s and stop caring like a normal human being…..
no one wants to hear that…..
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Only way to know is to try. I recently setup a Baker 8.25 with Indy Forged. I had the 8.475 on Indy Standard this Summer but thought if I had forged and blue bushings maybe it would be more stable and pop better. Aside from 2 tricks, it feels fucking weird. Like unstable, nollie pop sucks, it's just too light for me and I'm an idiot. But, I got my answer on that one. Now it's got my Thunder 148s on and I'll try Ventures on it as well, but I don't worry when certain things don't work. I think the worry is what makes it madness. That and not having a setup to return home to, which I have.
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Genuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.
I've had the conversation with my brother growing up like this. The idea that being poor means that you can't freely get rid of shit because you don't know if you will be able to replace it, which can lead to collecting/hoarding.
I have too many setups - I think around 10. And I have a brand new Enjoi 8.75 deck sitting next to my desk, some Ace AF1s, and 3-4 sets of wheels I could use on it. It's a disease. I find deals ($29 for the Enjoi shipped. Oh, someone on Facebook markeplace has Indy Ti for $40 - even though I don't need them. etc..) and then don't pass the stuff on that I don't like because just maybe it'll work with this other setup.
If I hadn't grown up poor, I feel like I would be a lot more free to give up on things. Take the Ace AF1s. I have tried them on at least 4 boards and can't ollie for shit with them. But maybe if I try them on X board they will work. No? Ok, how about this one? I have decks that for whatever reason haven't worked out, but I keep them around because maybe I'll come back to them. Spoiler - I seldom do.
Now here's the fucking kicker. Last fall I scored a great job. I'm solidly in the 6 figures, with a likely 20% bonus coming in September, and my wife has a job. It's the first time in many years that I'm not concerned about cash flow. But I'm still doing shit like waiting for the SkateWarehouse sale where I can get a shop deck with grip for $16 after buying a sale deck.
Growing up poor wires your brain differently.
Yup. I keep trying these ACE 44s and they’re just so sketchy to me. I enjoy how they turn, cause they give me a little bit more control than Indys, but they’re weird. I have them super tight and they’re still too turny lol.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4mYbG9/3-F5-B9483-E28-C-4819-B3-E0-3480-D78485-EA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4mYbG9)
Got an Indy and Krux bushings in them cause the stock ones caused them to stick to one side. I’m 240lbs and feel like I’m too heavy for them.
I should get rid of these but it’s hard, I feel like I need to get my monies worth lol. Plus part of me hates that Indys are my favorite truck cause it’s so basic 😅
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Alright fellow lunatics. I'm on the cast plates with ti hangers, found this recently and enjoyed it, it was literally just my madness creeping in that made me question it. still need to settle the 54 vs 56 mm classics. have even considered throwing a 54 or 52 radial back into the mix now that im shying away from the larger diameter classic.
I'm thinking i liked the 56mm classic for so long because the larger diameter worked better for me on the forged plates and gave it a little more heft. making my overall height close to 54mm with cast plates.
I MIGHT try the hollow cast plates out at somepoint.
But i know that 55mm tall trucks with wheels around 54 is what i want.
I know @Sedition was asking me to report back, and I have def found that the heavier cast plate keeping the weight distribution towards the center gives me a feeling of more control. maybe im crazy, maybe its in my head, but it def feels better and like i have more control of my board in the air
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Genuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.
I've had the conversation with my brother growing up like this. The idea that being poor means that you can't freely get rid of shit because you don't know if you will be able to replace it, which can lead to collecting/hoarding.
I have too many setups - I think around 10. And I have a brand new Enjoi 8.75 deck sitting next to my desk, some Ace AF1s, and 3-4 sets of wheels I could use on it. It's a disease. I find deals ($29 for the Enjoi shipped. Oh, someone on Facebook markeplace has Indy Ti for $40 - even though I don't need them. etc..) and then don't pass the stuff on that I don't like because just maybe it'll work with this other setup.
If I hadn't grown up poor, I feel like I would be a lot more free to give up on things. Take the Ace AF1s. I have tried them on at least 4 boards and can't ollie for shit with them. But maybe if I try them on X board they will work. No? Ok, how about this one? I have decks that for whatever reason haven't worked out, but I keep them around because maybe I'll come back to them. Spoiler - I seldom do.
Now here's the fucking kicker. Last fall I scored a great job. I'm solidly in the 6 figures, with a likely 20% bonus coming in September, and my wife has a job. It's the first time in many years that I'm not concerned about cash flow. But I'm still doing shit like waiting for the SkateWarehouse sale where I can get a shop deck with grip for $16 after buying a sale deck.
Growing up poor wires your brain differently.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4mYbG9/3-F5-B9483-E28-C-4819-B3-E0-3480-D78485-EA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4mYbG9)
Got an Indy and Krux bushings in them cause the stock ones caused them to stick to one side. I’m 240lbs and feel like I’m too heavy for them.
I should get rid of these but it’s hard, I feel like I need to get my monies worth lol. Plus part of me hates that Indys are my favorite truck cause it’s so basic 😅
I think that's probably a fair assessment, I have the ace hard bushing kit in mine and i run them with a couple threads showing and im 160ish.
If you're set on aces, You should just get some super hard bushings for them.
Ventures might suit you better. idk.
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Alright fellow lunatics. I'm on the cast plates with ti hangers, found this recently and enjoyed it, it was literally just my madness creeping in that made me question it. still need to settle the 54 vs 56 mm classics. have even considered throwing a 54 or 52 radial back into the mix now that im shying away from the larger diameter classic.
I'm thinking i liked the 56mm classic for so long because the larger diameter worked better for me on the forged plates and gave it a little more heft. making my overall height close to 54mm with cast plates.
I MIGHT try the hollow cast plates out at somepoint.
But i know that 55mm tall trucks with wheels around 54 is what i want.
I know @Sedition was asking me to report back, and I have def found that the heavier cast plate keeping the weight distribution towards the center gives me a feeling of more control. maybe im crazy, maybe its in my head, but it def feels better and like i have more control of my board in the air
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Genuinely man I think I needed to hear this, the growing up dirt poor shit is probably why I myself just keep buying shite to perfect myself. Thank you.
I've had the conversation with my brother growing up like this. The idea that being poor means that you can't freely get rid of shit because you don't know if you will be able to replace it, which can lead to collecting/hoarding.
I have too many setups - I think around 10. And I have a brand new Enjoi 8.75 deck sitting next to my desk, some Ace AF1s, and 3-4 sets of wheels I could use on it. It's a disease. I find deals ($29 for the Enjoi shipped. Oh, someone on Facebook markeplace has Indy Ti for $40 - even though I don't need them. etc..) and then don't pass the stuff on that I don't like because just maybe it'll work with this other setup.
If I hadn't grown up poor, I feel like I would be a lot more free to give up on things. Take the Ace AF1s. I have tried them on at least 4 boards and can't ollie for shit with them. But maybe if I try them on X board they will work. No? Ok, how about this one? I have decks that for whatever reason haven't worked out, but I keep them around because maybe I'll come back to them. Spoiler - I seldom do.
Now here's the fucking kicker. Last fall I scored a great job. I'm solidly in the 6 figures, with a likely 20% bonus coming in September, and my wife has a job. It's the first time in many years that I'm not concerned about cash flow. But I'm still doing shit like waiting for the SkateWarehouse sale where I can get a shop deck with grip for $16 after buying a sale deck.
Growing up poor wires your brain differently.
(https://i.ibb.co/k4mYbG9/3-F5-B9483-E28-C-4819-B3-E0-3480-D78485-EA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4mYbG9)
Got an Indy and Krux bushings in them cause the stock ones caused them to stick to one side. I’m 240lbs and feel like I’m too heavy for them.
I should get rid of these but it’s hard, I feel like I need to get my monies worth lol. Plus part of me hates that Indys are my favorite truck cause it’s so basic 😅
I think that's probably a fair assessment, I have the ace hard bushing kit in mine and i run them with a couple threads showing and im 160ish.
If you're set on aces, You should just get some super hard bushings for them.
Ventures might suit you better. idk.
Yeah I’m going to try Venture. I actually like how they look more than the other trucks, so hopefully they work well for me. I have Indy, Thunder, Krux also, and the ACEs are the only ones I lowkey hate. Which sucks cause I know they’re great trucks. Just not for me I guess.
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Fuck it, checking myself into the gear madness anonymous
Legitimately I've had fucking gear madness since I probably started getting into skating more in depth. I think a natural part of it was trying to find out what I like- I ride 7.75 and 8s because I feel most comfortable on them and have finesse, I love Film trucks and I'm a conscript on the people's republic of jessup in the griptape war. Took a while but I'm finally at peace with those particular areas.
My issues though are stemming from me trying to get the perfect feel- basically reducing vibration. I just want an easy breezy ride. My local area is mega crusty. I've asked in the questions thread if shock pads work- too wary to bite the bullet. I keep going through different wheels, nothing feels perfect for me. Tried 95a slimeball snot rockets, they weren't the best. 99a STFs had a nice ride feel to them but they're so damn grippy it's weird. Currently on 99A Spitfire OG classics 52mm and just walking to the spot to get my shit done but even then shit is way too crusty...
Been looking at so much shit, the 90/95a mini logos, the new bones 97a, the 99 and 97 Formula fours. But I get a feeling this shit isn't gonna be what I want. Hell the amount of time I've spent thinking about this shit I could probably learn switch.
I don't wanna buy any more shit, maybe it's a gateway to a deeper problem with myself.
Gonna ride out these Spits for now and resist the urge. Should I harness the vibrations?
I setup some mini logos with ACE risers and bones x97s, so, so, sooooooo smooth. The ACE risers aren't rubber/shock style, they're pliable but not super hard, sort of like the old (old) lucky risers.
I was trying to see if 99a spits with a softer riser would match up to the x97s, they didn't. Still lots of vibrations, less so than normal, but not like the dampening the x97s give.
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Yeah I’m going to try Venture. I actually like how they look more than the other trucks, so hopefully they work well for me. I have Indy, Thunder, Krux also, and the ACEs are the only ones I lowkey hate. Which sucks cause I know they’re great trucks. Just not for me I guess.
Lots of people complain that ventures arent turny enough (myself included) but since youre a bigger dude i dont think you will have that issue as badly as others.
GODSPEED BROTHER
may your madness be settled.
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Yeah I’m going to try Venture. I actually like how they look more than the other trucks, so hopefully they work well for me. I have Indy, Thunder, Krux also, and the ACEs are the only ones I lowkey hate. Which sucks cause I know they’re great trucks. Just not for me I guess.
Lots of people complain that ventures arent turny enough (myself included) but since youre a bigger dude i dont think you will have that issue as badly as others.
GODSPEED BROTHER
may your madness be settled.
Heard the same about Krux and the K5s turn great for me, almost like an Indy after I waxed the pivot cups and bushings. I just think they look budget so riding them kinda fucks with my head, like, "Why am I riding this when I have better gear?" 😭 So they stay on my cruiser.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
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Switch from venture to thunder in Dec. I like the way they turn but everything else sucks. I ride 54mm on a 8.18 setup. It’s been a disastrous conversion. I like how light these are but have little board control and can’t slide anything. They grind well. Sliding is another story. I didn’t think they would be this difficult for me. I think the wheel rubbing the ledge messes with me. Also switch back to SF4 from them dragons. Another mistake. Felt all rubbery and cheap.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
Yeah, that’s what was bothering me. It felt like my board was missing something, and even though it was the same length as my old one, it felt shorter. Kinda sucks cause I have a few TTs on ice.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
It was weird for the first 2 sessions, but I'm liking the Habitat twin tail, could see myself riding these for a while. Truck tightness is the biggest issue for me too, still haven't found the sweet spot for tightness and my crooked grinds are suffering as a result.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
Are any of them 8.3 real/krooked slicks? I'll buy them off you if you're really over them.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
I don't get what PS said at all. I've never done the same tricks either off the tail or nose depending on how I want to do them. Is anybody doing that? I'm gonna kickflip off the tail, no matter the spot. No multitooling here. I think having a fat nose only feels better because it's what we're used to.
I just switched from the 8.0 Ishod twin to the 8.25 neen twin and the kicks feel perfect. The kicks on the 8 are small, 6.5 I think. And they were flat as well, felt dangerous. So that's actually my limit for a "nose" size. 6.6-6.7 is fine.
Another thing is truck tightness, once you stop obsessing over the trucks being 100% exactly the same, it doesn't matter at all. Imagine if one truck was 5% tighter and no one on the sesh had a tool. You'd stop caring after 5 minutes, just skate and probably forget about it/don't even notice it.
Stay sane. Less thinking more skating
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
Are any of them 8.3 real/krooked slicks? I'll buy them off you if you're really over them.
No, they’re all Welcome 8.5 Evil Twins sadly.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
I was gifted a Chris Roberts twin tail deck from someone who hated it and … I also hated it.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
I was gifted a Chris Roberts twin tail deck from someone who hated it and … I also hated it.
Lol.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
I was gifted a Chris Roberts twin tail deck from someone who hated it and … I also hated it.
I avoided those cause that 14 inch wheelbase 🫠
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I'd skate a smaller wheelbase on ventures or thunders....twin is ok every now and then but I'm not crazy about the short nose either.....I pretty much call them...'shuv machines...'
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Stay sane. Less thinking more skating
Best thing ever posted in this thread.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
I don't get what PS said at all. I've never done the same tricks either off the tail or nose depending on how I want to do them. Is anybody doing that? I'm gonna kickflip off the tail, no matter the spot. No multitooling here. I think having a fat nose only feels better because it's what we're used to.
I just switched from the 8.0 Ishod twin to the 8.25 neen twin and the kicks feel perfect. The kicks on the 8 are small, 6.5 I think. And they were flat as well, felt dangerous. So that's actually my limit for a "nose" size. 6.6-6.7 is fine.
Another thing is truck tightness, once you stop obsessing over the trucks being 100% exactly the same, it doesn't matter at all. Imagine if one truck was 5% tighter and no one on the sesh had a tool. You'd stop caring after 5 minutes, just skate and probably forget about it/don't even notice it.
Stay sane. Less thinking more skating
Ha yeah, it is the "madness thread" and I do tend to stay away from / not really get into the PS stuff too deep, but that made sense to me - just the bit to have a nose as a nose and a tail as a tail.
Trying some things on the nose worked better than the tail, but I definitely skate my board the normal way, nose in front, back foot on the tail for all my usual skating.
I think I had learned to and prefer pop shovs off the nose cause that was the starting trick to a run back in the day and the rest of the run was all normal stuff forwards so still prefer that, maybe because I do a lot of pop shovs and keep the tail lasting longer or whatever, but when skating the twin, I always would have my front foot falling off the nose on lots of things, eg nose slides just didn't work as well, nose blunts on transition were a struggle, so a normal board with a normal nose worked for all those things for me. Sometimes if a normal blunt was not working, it was easier using the nose to do it, but that was few and far between, even though others would often do that.
As too all the other things he goes into about some people skating the board backwards for some things or whatever it was, I have a few people I know who are like that and I try to stay clear of their "madness" in that regard as well.
I really don't want to be drawn into the talks about certain things like that, but from skating a twin nose, it was almost more the other problems like kicking the board when pushing cause the end was too steep, but that was more my own issue with being used to a flatter tail on all my boards.
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Best thing ever posted in this thread.
For sure!!!
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I got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.
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Blah, thought I’d go back to a twin tail with one of my setups. Didn’t last two sessions. Just feels weird having both my trucks at the same tightness, feels like I’m going to swerve out because my back trucks are too loose.
Back to normal decks. Plus I kinda like having a longer nose.
That is one thing I agree with when Prof Schmitt said it is like a multi tool, having two kicks the same felt like I was missing part of the board.
I can see how it works for some people, but I definitely like a nose and a tail, as well as a dedicated front truck and a dedicated back truck. Front is one to two turns less than the back usually.
I don't get what PS said at all. I've never done the same tricks either off the tail or nose depending on how I want to do them. Is anybody doing that? I'm gonna kickflip off the tail, no matter the spot. No multitooling here. I think having a fat nose only feels better because it's what we're used to.
I just switched from the 8.0 Ishod twin to the 8.25 neen twin and the kicks feel perfect. The kicks on the 8 are small, 6.5 I think. And they were flat as well, felt dangerous. So that's actually my limit for a "nose" size. 6.6-6.7 is fine.
Another thing is truck tightness, once you stop obsessing over the trucks being 100% exactly the same, it doesn't matter at all. Imagine if one truck was 5% tighter and no one on the sesh had a tool. You'd stop caring after 5 minutes, just skate and probably forget about it/don't even notice it.
Stay sane. Less thinking more skating
I don’t need the trucks to be the same. It’s just the tighter side feels better as my back truck cause that’s how all my other setups are. I just like how it feels when the front truck is looser. I’ll probably keep my twin tails and just ride them like regular ones.
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I got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.
I got a Jaakko 8.25 and Madars 8.38 during a sale and the both had a similar tapered nose with a short feeling tail. Shape was reminiscent to 7.75s from the 2000s with the pointy kicks, but still less pointy than a Baker OG shape.
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Your mission, should you choose to accept it, help me find:
8.25" x ~32" x 14.25" WB under 7" nose, 6.5"+ tail. Mellow to Flat. PStix.
Something like a Baker OG/Mellow x Real Classic oval (but smaller WB) shape-style, but NOT pointy or square, more like a 'rounded full' The DLX "8.28" would be perfect if the WB was longer.
Closest I can find are:
T.U.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=TULV82DK-2.jpg)
Zero (ugh) - no idea who's pressing them these days
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=ZESMSDK-2.jpg)
Both look like the noses are long and not full/rounded tho.
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I got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.
I got a Jaakko 8.25 and Madars 8.38 during a sale and the both had a similar tapered nose with a short feeling tail. Shape was reminiscent to 7.75s from the 2000s with the pointy kicks, but still less pointy than a Baker OG shape.
Both of them have 6.5" tails. The 8.38 isn't as pointy as a Baker OG but it's on that side.
I haven't gripped the 8.25 but the one I have is definitely fuller/rounder in both nose and tail. Which graphics did you have?
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Your mission, should you choose to accept it, help me find:
8.25" x ~32" x 14.25" WB under 7" nose, 6.5"+ tail. Mellow to Flat. PStix.
Something like a Baker OG/Mellow x Real Classic oval (but smaller WB) shape-style, but NOT pointy or square, more like a 'rounded full' The DLX "8.28" would be perfect if the WB was longer.
Closest I can find are:
T.U.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=TULV82DK-2.jpg)
Zero (ugh) - no idea who's pressing them these days
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=ZESMSDK-2.jpg)
Both look like the noses are long and not full/rounded tho.
Some folks claiming toy machine still has ps boards. I can’t tell what’s what, unless it’s in hand, and the shops near me haven’t had a toy machine board in ten years
The dimensions you are asking for are very reasonable/normal skateboard measurements. Ps just had no market share…quasi has a few options, that would be a titch too short in overall length.
I personally think western edition boards are beautiful, and claim to be ps, but they do not publish much on their shapes. No other dimensions, if I was going to mail order a board, that’s what I would get, but I can be very not picky when I’m just getting any 7.75 or 8.
The strangelove balloon boy might work. Their shapes were very…different. Often quite square, sometimes looking barnyard inspired. Other shapes looked like really old girl shapes, early 2000s (which I of course loved). I am a big fan of this company, and their graphics, but not for everyone.
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The trick about quasi is finding them it seems (the 8.25s) the Proto is easy to find but not a fan anymore.
The 'rest' of the boards that size is the nose being super long as I hate long/straight but rounded tip noses (like the last toy machine I rode); full round noses are super hard to come by to seems.
The SC 8.28 is really close, but it's not exactly flat and the WB is some fucknutt 14.188 BS.
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The trick about quasi is finding them it seems (the 8.25s) the Proto is easy to find but not a fan anymore.
The 'rest' of the boards that size is the nose being super long as I hate long/straight but rounded tip noses (like the last toy machine I rode); full round noses are super hard to come by to seems.
The SC 8.28 is really close, but it's not exactly flat and the WB is some fucknutt 14.188 BS.
Yeah the proto taper is significant.
I can’t really tell the difference with those weird wb measurements, I just know that for some reason I don’t like em. There have been a few exceptions: the first Al Davis pro board with the headhunters graphic was a fucking alltimer for me. And I’ve liked that one 8.125 quasi shape that every right minded person hates because of the weird ass tail, that I came to love. The consistent thing in those boards working for me, was 147s. Speaking of shapes for 147s, I’ll eventually buy a 9jah board, I just won’t admit to it.
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Based on the dims and the whole write-up about it, I bet that nigel board is damn close to the quasi.
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Just went into the shop just to buy some hardware to finish building a board I didn't need (Enjoi Thaynan 8.75 - putting Ace AF1 55s and 54mm conical 101s) and walked out with an Anti Hero 10 Curbmandments 8.5 with a 13.75 wheelbase. Last board I skated with a sub 14 wheelbase was 32 years ago - the Per Welinder Nordic Sperm - and it was amazing. I'm putting Thunder Ti 149s to start and don't know the wheel. I've got 52mm classic 99a, 54mm V1 Dragons, 51 and 53mm V2 STFs, and probably something else.
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I got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.
I got a Jaakko 8.25 and Madars 8.38 during a sale and the both had a similar tapered nose with a short feeling tail. Shape was reminiscent to 7.75s from the 2000s with the pointy kicks, but still less pointy than a Baker OG shape.
Both of them have 6.5" tails. The 8.38 isn't as pointy as a Baker OG but it's on that side.
I haven't gripped the 8.25 but the one I have is definitely fuller/rounder in both nose and tail. Which graphics did you have?
Depends where they are from, as there are at least three woodshops making those boards - BBS (mexico), HLC for EU and unknown woodshop from China.
I had the BBS and China Element boards pass through my hands to others and there are definitely significant differences in the shapes, even though they are almost the same dimensions.
Interesting to see them and stand on them, even though I didn't skate those ones myself, but others have enjoyed both types from the two different woodshops.
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The trick about quasi is finding them it seems (the 8.25s) the Proto is easy to find but not a fan anymore.
The 'rest' of the boards that size is the nose being super long as I hate long/straight but rounded tip noses (like the last toy machine I rode); full round noses are super hard to come by to seems.
The SC 8.28 is really close, but it's not exactly flat and the WB is some fucknutt 14.188 BS.
I had a bit of a look at some bigger shops that have search options for width 8.25 and wheelbase 14.25 and quite a few came up at 32 (take into consideration PS Stix measure with the concave so boards listed as 32.2 are more like 32 even), including Glue, WKND and Pizza if you were specifically after PS Stix. Some of those are on sale from the sale gear thread too, I think I read.
As to other brands that come up on other woodshops, the Enjoi mellow kicks, mellow concave Louie board, Polar depending on which board from the stack, Magenta are often more mellow than other BBS board brands, and more, including Zero, DGK, and even the shop boards of the 8.25 size measure right on those dimensions with a decent shape.
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I got a Jaako Element at 8.25/14.25/31.9 in the mail today to replace my Madars Element 8.38/14.25/31.9.
I was expecting the shapes to be the same, but I'm excited that the 8.25 has blunter, more full nose and tail compared to the 8.38 (which is noticeably pointier like Baker OG shapes).
I've been super curious about tapered 8.38 vs full 8.25 and this is probably the closest A to B I could hope for. Excited to see how it goes.
Also was watching ESP Volume 2 and realized I have basically a full Westgate setup right now with the Madars 8.38, Venture 5.8s, Rictas and NB# 508s haha.
I got a Jaakko 8.25 and Madars 8.38 during a sale and the both had a similar tapered nose with a short feeling tail. Shape was reminiscent to 7.75s from the 2000s with the pointy kicks, but still less pointy than a Baker OG shape.
Both of them have 6.5" tails. The 8.38 isn't as pointy as a Baker OG but it's on that side.
I haven't gripped the 8.25 but the one I have is definitely fuller/rounder in both nose and tail. Which graphics did you have?
Depends where they are from, as there are at least three woodshops making those boards - BBS (mexico), HLC for EU and unknown woodshop from China.
I had the BBS and China Element boards pass through my hands to others and there are definitely significant differences in the shapes, even though they are almost the same dimensions.
Interesting to see them and stand on them, even though I didn't skate those ones myself, but others have enjoyed both types from the two different woodshops.
I only buy the pro model BBS boards.
I gripped the 8.25 last night. The difference isn't as drastic as I first thought, but the 8.25 I have is definitely fuller than the three 8.38s I skated.
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My recent polar was 8.25*32" with a 14.25wb, my last polar was 8.25*31.875 with the 14.125wb; the shape was much better. The 32” has very straight rails on the kicks, preferred the roundedness of the shorter one.
The dims are easy to track down, kick shape not so much. Couldn’t find anything local either.
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Damn I didn't know the 14.125 Polar was real. Every single Polar 8.25 and 8.125 I have ever come across in a shop and measured (more than I'd care to admit) are 14.25 and look incredibly similar. Was it by chance a team graphic and not a pro graphic?
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Alright, I didn’t think I’d go cuckoo on this shit but I am, so some insights until I can test out my madness, 4 days from now.
I retired my last set of very ground down 149s in favour of bumping up to 159s for grind clearance on the one spot I still routinely skate.
I skated this place for years on my last trucks and had no issue, I just never fully locked into this one curb and I wanted that shit locked in, the 159s do that but everything else felt off ever so slightly.
I’ve had the grand idea now that when I really need is to push my wheels out with washers so I can get more truck millimetres to grind and that might just lock me in. I fully intend on biking to the spot with this new set of 149s with 3 washers inside to place atop my elusive curb and bring the 159 hangers with me in case this shit blows up in my face.
This is probably the longest thing I’ve posted on SLAP. Thank you for your time.
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Alright, I didn’t think I’d go cuckoo on this shit but I am, so some insights until I can test out my madness, 4 days from now.
I retired my last set of very ground down 149s in favour of bumping up to 159s for grind clearance on the one spot I still routinely skate.
I skated this place for years on my last trucks and had no issue, I just never fully locked into this one curb and I wanted that shit locked in, the 159s do that but everything else felt off ever so slightly.
I’ve had the grand idea now that when I really need is to push my wheels out with washers so I can get more truck millimetres to grind and that might just lock me in. I fully intend on biking to the spot with this new set of 149s with 3 washers inside to place atop my elusive curb and bring the 159 hangers with me in case this shit blows up in my face.
This is probably the longest thing I’ve posted on SLAP. Thank you for your time.
Give the 159s some time. New trucks suck anyway and it definitely takes getting used to going wider.
I went from Ace 44 Classics (8.35”) to Ace AF1 66s (9.0”) to AF1 55s (8.5”) to Classic 66s (9.35”) to AF1 60s (8.75”) to AF1 55s (8.5”) and was going all over the place with every change until I got used to the new width. Of these only the Classic 66s (9.35”) felt like something I couldn’t be completely happy with.
Having typed all that it’s clear that I’ve been suffering from quite some madness myself because this all happened in a little over a year. Been happy with the AF1 55s (8.5”) for a good while now but the Indy Stage 4s are tempting me. :-X
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Alright, I didn’t think I’d go cuckoo on this shit but I am, so some insights until I can test out my madness, 4 days from now.
I retired my last set of very ground down 149s in favour of bumping up to 159s for grind clearance on the one spot I still routinely skate.
I skated this place for years on my last trucks and had no issue, I just never fully locked into this one curb and I wanted that shit locked in, the 159s do that but everything else felt off ever so slightly.
I’ve had the grand idea now that when I really need is to push my wheels out with washers so I can get more truck millimetres to grind and that might just lock me in. I fully intend on biking to the spot with this new set of 149s with 3 washers inside to place atop my elusive curb and bring the 159 hangers with me in case this shit blows up in my face.
This is probably the longest thing I’ve posted on SLAP. Thank you for your time.
You can def do this and most axles will let you get 3-4 rings on, but just be careful not to use old nuts with blown out nylock and keep an eye on it if you're doing slappies. When the nut is flush it doesn't take much to loosen it up and, trust me on this one, it's not fun to randomly slam and then as you're laying there dazed wondering what the fuck happened see your wheel roll past all on its own, then spend the next half hour futilely backtracking and trying to find your axle nut.
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Alright, I didn’t think I’d go cuckoo on this shit but I am, so some insights until I can test out my madness, 4 days from now.
I retired my last set of very ground down 149s in favour of bumping up to 159s for grind clearance on the one spot I still routinely skate.
I skated this place for years on my last trucks and had no issue, I just never fully locked into this one curb and I wanted that shit locked in, the 159s do that but everything else felt off ever so slightly.
I’ve had the grand idea now that when I really need is to push my wheels out with washers so I can get more truck millimetres to grind and that might just lock me in. I fully intend on biking to the spot with this new set of 149s with 3 washers inside to place atop my elusive curb and bring the 159 hangers with me in case this shit blows up in my face.
This is probably the longest thing I’ve posted on SLAP. Thank you for your time.
Using extra washers on the inside bearing not only gives you a bit more hanger space, but it also can make your axle nut flush which makes it harder to fuck up the threads on. Also looks nice imo.
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Gonna set up a depop in the next week or so. Felt like I was literally losing my mind due to madness, so I’m gonna stick with 8.5 FA/Hockey, Indy 159 Hollows, and Spitfire tablets for now. Not sure how much it’ll be to ship decks, if it’s too expensive I may drop them off at my local, maybe stagger them so one person doesn’t grab ‘em all.
Honestly, the only things I may be able to sell are these Welcome twin tails and size 13 Tyshawn’s (Tiago’s look more comfy and I unironically love #NB).
Yesterday I saw Kelly Hart’s setup video on YouTube. I imagine a lot of pros ride the same shape for as long as possible. I’ve started to think about it like having a job—it’d be annoying to learn a new system every week. Like going from MacOS, Windows, then Linux and back multiple times a month lol. Over a decade ago I realized that Mac is my preferred system and I’ve been with them ever since. Time to do the same with skateboarding 😅
TL;DR: I’m done lol
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Gonna set up a depop in the next week or so. Felt like I was literally losing my mind due to madness, so I’m gonna stick with 8.5 FA/Hockey, Indy 159 Hollows, and Spitfire tablets for now. Not sure how much it’ll be to ship decks, if it’s too expensive I may drop them off at my local, maybe stagger them so one person doesn’t grab ‘em all.
Honestly, the only things I may be able to sell are these Welcome twin tails and size 13 Tyshawn’s (Tiago’s look more comfy and I unironically love #NB).
Yesterday I saw Kelly Hart’s setup video on YouTube. I imagine a lot of pros ride the same shape for as long as possible. I’ve started to think about it like having a job—it’d be annoying to learn a new system every week. Like going from MacOS, Windows, then Linux and back multiple times a month lol. Over a decade ago I realized that Mac is my preferred system and I’ve been with them ever since. Time to do the same with skateboarding 😅
TL;DR: I’m done lol
godspeed solider
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I tried a Baker 8.25 recently on forged hollows and a couple things were nice on it, but man- I hated it. Thunders on that deck instantly made it better. Debating trying standard Indys on it even tho historically speaking I haven't skated as well on them and have a nice happy place home with my Thunder and Venture setups. I think its cognitive dissonance on that I know Indys turn well and that's cool, but I want to be able to skate them well since everyone else out there seems to.
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I tried a Baker 8.25 recently on forged hollows and a couple things were nice on it, but man- I hated it. Thunders on that deck instantly made it better. Debating trying standard Indys on it even tho historically speaking I haven't skated as well on them and have a nice happy place home with my Thunder and Venture setups. I think its cognitive dissonance on that I know Indys turn well and that's cool, but I want to be able to skate them well since everyone else out there seems to.
I cant imagine you will enjoy the weight of an indy standard if your comfort zone is thunders.
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The baker 8.25 + Thunders messes with my manual point, I can get used to it, but it throws me off.
I was going to pick one up (I ditched my last one after a week or so) but all the newer ones are listed as 31.5", too short.
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Ya it's still not my absolute favorite for sure but it went from being legit annoyed skating it to "meh, I can live with this for a bit". That is until I slapped on my normal BBS 8.38 and was like 'fuuuuuckin nice, I'm home'
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Ya it's still not my absolute favorite for sure but it went from being legit annoyed skating it to "meh, I can live with this for a bit". That is until I slapped on my normal BBS 8.38 and was like 'fuuuuuckin nice, I'm home'
Dat feel when all the gear madness pays off
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Dat feel when all the gear madness pays off
I skated the Anti Hero True Fit 8.5 yesterday for the first time. I landed an impossible first try.
Last one I tried was probably in August.
Gear Madness.
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I just won a set of trucks and I feel like the circle of madness is closed.
I won thunder hollow lights, and my madness started 3 years ago after thunder sent me hollow lights instead of titaniums and I somehow couldn't handle them. But the trucks were never the problem, I switched wheel size at the same time but thought the weight is throwing me off...Idiot. Ended up selling the hollow lights.
After that happened, I basically bought every truck in order to find out what could replace my titaniums in terms of pop feel. The solution was never found. But now I'm much more wise and know that hollow lights pretty much feel exactly the same as the titaniums if I use the same wheel size.
Gonna skate thunder hollow lights and titaniums forever now. Haven't felt like switching trucks for months and I'm progressing much faster because of that. Sold most of my non-thunder trucks and gonna give the rest away.
TLDR:
1. Never switch 2 components of your setup at the same time.
2. Stick to what you're used to if you want to progress.
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
I've dismantled all but one board and dropped a ton of 'I'll never skate this/these again' parts of all types off at various spots to slowly de-pop.
What I need to do next is sell off some unused Venture (x2) and Thunders....and some used 161 thunders that are just sitting there taking up space...maybe those IKP royals I don't skate since I move to hollow platets....ugh
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
I count 17 boards on that stack, I'm probably just as deep on boards. Got some Indy TI and Mids on impulse last week, now I'm regretting it because I ride nothing but Ventures and all my tricks are feeling so dialed on them. At least 10 sets of SML wheels, some Spitfire, Dialtone and NFG wheels. And a box of 20 sheet Iron Horse grip for consistency.
Work has been catching up so I have less time to browse deals online, been averaging 3-4 sessions a week so I've worried less about my setup.
@Xen hit me up if you're planning on selling those Ventures.
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
I've dismantled all but one board and dropped a ton of 'I'll never skate this/these again' parts of all types off at various spots to slowly de-pop.
What I need to do next is sell off some unused Venture (x2) and Thunders....and some used 161 thunders that are just sitting there taking up space...maybe those IKP royals I don't skate since I move to hollow platets....ugh
Yeah I’m giving some stuff away and trying to sell what I can. It’s just gonna be a hassle to ship the decks.
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
I count 17 boards on that stack, I'm probably just as deep on boards. Got some Indy TI and Mids on impulse last week, now I'm regretting it because I ride nothing but Ventures and all my tricks are feeling so dialed on them. At least 10 sets of SML wheels, some Spitfire, Dialtone and NFG wheels. And a box of 20 sheet Iron Horse grip for consistency.
Work has been catching up so I have less time to browse deals online, been averaging 3-4 sessions a week so I've worried less about my setup.
@Xen hit me up if you're planning on selling those Ventures.
I’m trying to stay busy, cause when I get bored I fired up Tactics now instead of IG, which leads to impulse buying. Like today I have the urge to stock up on these OJ Hardline wheels cause I lowkey like them more than Spitfires. But I’m fighting the urge. I’ll just replace my current wheels when they hit 48-49mm.
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
I've dismantled all but one board and dropped a ton of 'I'll never skate this/these again' parts of all types off at various spots to slowly de-pop.
What I need to do next is sell off some unused Venture (x2) and Thunders....and some used 161 thunders that are just sitting there taking up space...maybe those IKP royals I don't skate since I move to hollow platets....ugh
What’s the go to setup
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
I count 17 boards on that stack, I'm probably just as deep on boards. Got some Indy TI and Mids on impulse last week, now I'm regretting it because I ride nothing but Ventures and all my tricks are feeling so dialed on them. At least 10 sets of SML wheels, some Spitfire, Dialtone and NFG wheels. And a box of 20 sheet Iron Horse grip for consistency.
Work has been catching up so I have less time to browse deals online, been averaging 3-4 sessions a week so I've worried less about my setup.
@Xen hit me up if you're planning on selling those Ventures.
I for SURE check skateshop sites WAAAAAAY more than lamestagram...
Shipping decks is never worth it (unless we're talking classic/rares/wall hangers), I'd rather dump them at a spot or give them someone at the park who needs it.
I've been pretty good lately....went back to indys, x97s and back up to an 8.25 after a stint on an 8.125 (though I did buy an extra of that 8.125 off ebay cuz cheap and it's sooo good).
Was on thunders and 99 spits (8.25SE real) and things were 'fine' I skated well but it just felt 'fine' it didn't feel comfy or special....threw on indys and x97s and skated the same but it was so much easier to skate (if heavier) and if felt sweet under feet, which to me, is better than 'fine' ya know?
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It's funny, the top deck on this stack is from Madness, and it's my least favorite. Guess that was another sign. Felt good dismantling four setups. You'd think I wouldn't order any more decks, but I just bought two 8.5 Hockey ones (gonna stick with that shape for the rest of 2023) 🥴
I count 17 boards on that stack, I'm probably just as deep on boards. Got some Indy TI and Mids on impulse last week, now I'm regretting it because I ride nothing but Ventures and all my tricks are feeling so dialed on them. At least 10 sets of SML wheels, some Spitfire, Dialtone and NFG wheels. And a box of 20 sheet Iron Horse grip for consistency.
Work has been catching up so I have less time to browse deals online, been averaging 3-4 sessions a week so I've worried less about my setup.
@Xen hit me up if you're planning on selling those Ventures.
I for SURE check skateshop sites WAAAAAAY more than lamestagram...
Shipping decks is never worth it (unless we're talking classic/rares/wall hangers), I'd rather dump them at a spot or give them someone at the park who needs it.
I've been pretty good lately....went back to indys, x97s and back up to an 8.25 after a stint on an 8.125 (though I did buy an extra of that 8.125 off ebay cuz cheap and it's sooo good).
Was on thunders and 99 spits (8.25SE real) and things were 'fine' I skated well but it just felt 'fine' it didn't feel comfy or special....threw on indys and x97s and skated the same but it was so much easier to skate (if heavier) and if felt sweet under feet, which to me, is better than 'fine' ya know?
Totally.
Sometimes I just need to feel something. Just a little spark. I love skateboarding, but the mountain of crap I need to wade thru, to go suck/hurt, we’ll sometimes it helps to be stoked on the setup(s).
I’ve been pretty stuck on 8s, and lo setups.
When the anxiety in my life, in general, raises, then my internet time/desire to change my skateboard (or bike) goes way up.
Right now I’m thinking about going back to spending some time with a griffin Gass shape, wthunder 149s (have) and some x97 52s (want).
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For me changing setups has given an easy way to be stoked on skating. Typing this out it feels like a completely stupid way of thinking but I think there is quite a bit of that happening for me at least.
I have my go to tricks that I can do quite ok. Changing setups makes it interesting for me to see how they work with the different setup. What adjustments I need to make to make the tricks work etc. I’ve been doing that a lot. It just leads me to not really learning new stuff as I spend so much time getting used to different shit.
Why do I do this then? Probably because if something doesn’t work nicely, I can blame it on the setup instead of my lack of skill and determination.
If I’d have the same or at least very similar setup all the time I would probably have to focus more on learning new tricks to keep myself stoked and for some reason that’s not as easy to accept mentally. Couldn’t blame anything except myself then and that’s uncomfortable. So the “madness” for me is at least partially a cop out.
Going forward I will try to focus more on mental strength and accepting my skill level and that it’s ok that I cannot do such and such tricks but I can learn if I want to.
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For me changing setups has given an easy way to be stoked on skating. Typing this out it feels like a completely stupid way of thinking but I think there is quite a bit of that happening for me at least.
I have my go to tricks that I can do quite ok. Changing setups makes it interesting for me to see how they work with the different setup. What adjustments I need to make to make the tricks work etc. I’ve been doing that a lot. It just leads me to not really learning new stuff as I spend so much time getting used to different shit.
Why do I do this then? Probably because if something doesn’t work nicely, I can blame it on the setup instead of my lack of skill and determination.
If I’d have the same or at least very similar setup all the time I would probably have to focus more on learning new tricks to keep myself stoked and for some reason that’s not as easy to accept mentally. Couldn’t blame anything except myself then and that’s uncomfortable. So the “madness” for me is at least partially a cop out.
Going forward I will try to focus more on mental strength and accepting my skill level and that it’s ok that I cannot do such and such tricks but I can learn if I want to.
I get that. Skateboards are cheap enough and the configurations are basically endless. So it’s easy to get addicted to swapping shit out. I used to have a bad session, blame it on my gear, then buy something new. It’s why I have some 75mm Thunder Juice wheels that are total overkill lol. I bought them cause I wanted to go faster. Instead of working on my push, I just got bigger wheels 🙃
Just try to accept that there will be bad sessions.
But, but, I do get the fun in trying the same tricks on new setups. It can be a fun challenge for when things get stale.
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Since there is some talk about madness sources, and existential roles it fills, I'll add this...
Long, long, long ago I figured out what my "grail" set-up was. I have been consistently riding that ever since. But sometimes I get these crazy notions that I should try different equipment (and often it's equipment that I've previously tried, and dismissed, before). I've done this enough times over the years to clearly, conclusively, and decidedly know with acute conviction that dropping my wheelbase down is not going to really have any substantive impact on my meager 360 flips. I'll fight the urge to (re)buy something I've had before (and then given away after I've again concluded it's "not for me."). Usually I can fight the urge off, but sometimes the only way out is through...and then I suddenly find myself with some new gear.
The question is why. Why does this madness happen, even if the outcome is pretty much predetermined, and known?
I wrestled with this awhile. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results. Did I really think that trying Product Y for the Xth number of times was suddenly going to make it "functional"? Was I insane?
Somewhere along the line I figured out what was really going on, and this has helped me make some peace with the process (when it inevitably happens again). Thai food is my favorite thing to eat. What would happen if I had it for every single meal? I'd get sick of it, and want some variety. This, I think, is exactly what happens with gear. Sometimes I just get sick of riding the same damn set-up all the time (even if it is my grail set-up), and I just want some variety. The excitement of trying something "different," even if I know it's not going to be as good.
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Since there is some talk about madness sources, and existential roles it fills, I'll add this...
Long, long, long ago I figured out what my "grail" set-up was. I have been consistently riding that ever since. But sometimes I get these crazy notions that I should try different equipment (and often it's equipment that I've previously tried, and dismissed, before). I've done this enough times over the years to clearly, conclusively, and decidedly know with acute conviction that dropping my wheelbase down is not going to really have any substantive impact on my meager 360 flips. I'll fight the urge to (re)buy something I've had before (and then given away after I've again concluded it's "not for me."). Usually I can fight the urge off, but sometimes the only way out is through...and then I suddenly find myself with some new gear.
The question is why. Why does this madness happen, even if the outcome is pretty much predetermined, and known?
I wrestled with this awhile. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results. Did I really think that trying Product Y for the Xth number of times was suddenly going to make it "functional"? Was I insane?
Somewhere along the line I figured out what was really going on, and this has helped me make some peace with the process (when it inevitably happens again). Thai food is my favorite thing to eat. What would happen if I had it for every single meal? I'd get sick of it, and want some variety. This, I think, is exactly what happens with gear. Sometimes I just get sick of riding the same damn set-up all the time (even if it is my grail set-up), and I just want some variety. The excitement of trying something "different," even if I know it's not going to be as good.
I don't think that's similar at all. With thai food, all you do with it is eating it, nothing new. You can (and should...) do a lot of new skating with your current setup though.
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Since there is some talk about madness sources, and existential roles it fills, I'll add this...
Long, long, long ago I figured out what my "grail" set-up was. I have been consistently riding that ever since. But sometimes I get these crazy notions that I should try different equipment (and often it's equipment that I've previously tried, and dismissed, before). I've done this enough times over the years to clearly, conclusively, and decidedly know with acute conviction that dropping my wheelbase down is not going to really have any substantive impact on my meager 360 flips. I'll fight the urge to (re)buy something I've had before (and then given away after I've again concluded it's "not for me."). Usually I can fight the urge off, but sometimes the only way out is through...and then I suddenly find myself with some new gear.
The question is why. Why does this madness happen, even if the outcome is pretty much predetermined, and known?
I wrestled with this awhile. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results. Did I really think that trying Product Y for the Xth number of times was suddenly going to make it "functional"? Was I insane?
Somewhere along the line I figured out what was really going on, and this has helped me make some peace with the process (when it inevitably happens again). Thai food is my favorite thing to eat. What would happen if I had it for every single meal? I'd get sick of it, and want some variety. This, I think, is exactly what happens with gear. Sometimes I just get sick of riding the same damn set-up all the time (even if it is my grail set-up), and I just want some variety. The excitement of trying something "different," even if I know it's not going to be as good.
I don't think that's similar at all. With thai food, all you do with it is eating it, nothing new. You can (and should...) do a lot of new skating with your current setup though.
You are welcome to have different thoughts/opinions. Not everyone has the same madness. That said, the point may have evaded. No analogy is dead-on.
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Since there is some talk about madness sources, and existential roles it fills, I'll add this...
Long, long, long ago I figured out what my "grail" set-up was. I have been consistently riding that ever since. But sometimes I get these crazy notions that I should try different equipment (and often it's equipment that I've previously tried, and dismissed, before). I've done this enough times over the years to clearly, conclusively, and decidedly know with acute conviction that dropping my wheelbase down is not going to really have any substantive impact on my meager 360 flips. I'll fight the urge to (re)buy something I've had before (and then given away after I've again concluded it's "not for me."). Usually I can fight the urge off, but sometimes the only way out is through...and then I suddenly find myself with some new gear.
The question is why. Why does this madness happen, even if the outcome is pretty much predetermined, and known?
I wrestled with this awhile. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results. Did I really think that trying Product Y for the Xth number of times was suddenly going to make it "functional"? Was I insane?
Somewhere along the line I figured out what was really going on, and this has helped me make some peace with the process (when it inevitably happens again). Thai food is my favorite thing to eat. What would happen if I had it for every single meal? I'd get sick of it, and want some variety. This, I think, is exactly what happens with gear. Sometimes I just get sick of riding the same damn set-up all the time (even if it is my grail set-up), and I just want some variety. The excitement of trying something "different," even if I know it's not going to be as good.
I don't think that's similar at all. With thai food, all you do with it is eating it, nothing new. You can (and should...) do a lot of new skating with your current setup though.
You are welcome to have different thoughts/opinions. Not everyone has the same madness. That said, the point may have evaded. No analogy is dead-on.
I appreciated the musing. And found it accurate. I was dubbing my wildly different completes, whilst still attempting the same flatground tricks, a frantic/shitty version of pulling a chico. We’ve seen him nollie-heel a 2x4. I was kinda doing the same shit…’but CAN I KICKFLIP THIS!?’ Much like @Roisto mentioned, there is some letting one self off of the hook of learning new shit. ‘Hey man my trucks are hella loose, of course I can’t (fill in the blank), trucks too loose’/board too wide/narrow/I don’t normally skate 9”s etc.
For me, a huge, central, key component to the madness is the anxiety in my life, outside of skating. I had some personal tragedy in the last week. My posting on slap has increased 10x during this time. I’ve gone from being confident in Skating an 8ish board, on venture lo’s and 50s, to daydreaming about the one 8.5 setup that has worked for me, to contemplating setting up ace classic 55s on a smaller than that popsicle for the good kickflips. Cooked. The buying and giving away only to buy again is some weird consumerism issue I have.
Sometimes I just need some juice, dunno
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...I had some personal tragedy in the last week...
I wish you well.
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On some thunder 149s right now and while some flip tricks feel better, I hate landing tricks on these. I have soft aftermarket bushings and they turn ok but I still feel train tracked on these. Either tic tacking out or tipping over. Been hearing tighter, more stable trucks make skating easier but I took a look at all my footage the past year and the best clps with the hardest skating have been on ace af1s. I'm a big dude too so this should make no sense. I think those are my trucks. I have an army of trucks in my closet that I should either give away or forget about.
I really do miss using stuff to its life's end and looking forward to buying new gear. Now if I buy new stuff, it's just stockpiled on ice til I decide my current ride needs something different. I'm sure I'd feel different if I was unable to obtain gear but it really is a mind fuck.
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On some thunder 149s right now and while some flip tricks feel better, I hate landing tricks on these. I have soft aftermarket bushings and they turn ok but I still feel train tracked on these. Either tic tacking out or tipping over. Been hearing tighter, more stable trucks make skating easier but I took a look at all my footage the past year and the best clps with the hardest skating have been on ace af1s. I'm a big dude too so this should make no sense. I think those are my trucks. I have an army of trucks in my closet that I should either give away or forget about.
I really do miss using stuff to its life's end and looking forward to buying new gear. Now if I buy new stuff, it's just stockpiled on ice til I decide my current ride needs something different. I'm sure I'd feel different if I was unable to obtain gear but it really is a mind fuck.
I feel this. I haven't really seriously blown out any gear in a couple years. I also noticed that any time I am like "THIS IS IT!" and stockpile a specific shape or truck, I'll end up getting real sick of it real fast.
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I've been skating a DLX deck with a 14.69 wheelbase for the last few weeks and I kinda think I hate it. I feel like my back truck never gets as high as it used to when I skated boards closer to 14.3-14.5. Does this sound kinda right? Like obviously somewhat a skill issue, but since we're in the madness thread, it checks out that a bigger wheelbase would make my ollie laggier right?
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I've been skating a DLX deck with a 14.69 wheelbase for the last few weeks and I kinda think I hate it. I feel like my back truck never gets as high as it used to when I skated boards closer to 14.3-14.5. Does this sound kinda right? Like obviously somewhat a skill issue, but since we're in the madness thread, it checks out that a bigger wheelbase would make my ollie laggier right?
Wheelbase, IMHO, is the most important dimension on a deck. Kicktuns to kickflips, you can feel the difference WB makes. Too short and you'll feel really cramped and whippy. My ollies on decks with too short of a WB (for me) feel hobbled, like I can't really explode/tap the power of my legs...like trying to run, but not being allowed to reach full stride/stance. Too long and you'll feel really stretched out and slow, like trying to walk with your feet really wide apart (to the sides). For me, ollies on a deck with too big of a wheelbase feel very sluggish, heavy, and hard. The key is to find your optimal wheelbase for your size, body, and mechanics.
To further off-set this, longer WB decks are generally felt to be better for bigger ramps (more stability), where shorter WB decks are better for tech (can get foot flip board easier). It's all a matter of trial and error until you find what feels the most comfortable/functional to you.
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Retailers, like us, are severely overstocked post COVID, aside from some Indy's om impulse I haven't added to the stack of decks of wheels. It's still going to be a while before we reach am equilibria of us buying stuff and shops regularly moving inventory.
Spending less time adding shit to cart has helped. Upcoming tax season is going to hurt and the tax man doesn't take payments in decks.
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I feel better having one setup. It’s only been a few days, but I’m already less anxious 😌
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I feel better having one setup. It’s only been a few days, but I’m already less anxious 😌
Just took a toddler to the local parking lot with 5 setups. And new shoes.
It was fun, but not exactly ‘relaxing’.
The range of the completes was really silly: 8.6 with classic ace 55s, to a 7.75 with 5.0 venture lo’s. Was t able to glean any info, far from scientific. First try kickflip on the board that is furthest from what would normally work, 14.75 wb and 9” axle trucks. Had to struggle with the 7.75, but got the best versions of the tricks I landed. Blah blah.
One setup better.
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Skateboard madness, a circle in which you were better off where you started and wind up back there in the end.
I really should just ignore the madness
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A gigantic catalyst for my madness is watching footage of those folks I admire.
Currently, this week, it is Wade, and Jacopo.
Supremely kooky, but I’ll try and figure out setups and then come somewhat close to replicating them. Sorta. I usually ballpark it. Anyways, it’s weird. It’s like doing a search for: ‘best computer for hackers’. Embarrassing.
But if anyone wants to tell me what Jacopo rides that’d be chill.
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A gigantic catalyst for my madness is watching footage of those folks I admire.
Currently, this week, it is Wade, and Jacopo.
Supremely kooky, but I’ll try and figure out setups and then come somewhat close to replicating them. Sorta. I usually ballpark it. Anyways, it’s weird. It’s like doing a search for: ‘best computer for hackers’. Embarrassing.
But if anyone wants to tell me what Jacopo rides that’d be chill.
I get that. After seeing Leo’s part I had the urge to go back to a Toy Machine deck. But I’ve managed to stick to my one setup. As time passes, I have less of an urge to change it. At the end of the day it’s just a tool, and I need to focus on just getting better.
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Damn these pro skaters for putting out banger video parts to get me interested in their products!!!
But same here, Leo's part got me hunting for a Toy Machine deck, but the 2 days later the feeling faded and I'm back to my stack.
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Like most addictive things I’ve been around, some time interruption helps the ‘need’ fade.
I am pretty impressed/dismayed, at how malleable I am on this subject.
I think @Macho Taildrop mentioned something similar, somewhere, but as soon as I say: ‘14 wb or nothing’ or ‘i relate to 8s’ then I am for certain going to be back here, hat in hand, scuffing my shoe, unsure as ever, within s month or less.
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Damn these pro skaters for putting out banger video parts to get me interested in their products!!!
But same here, Leo's part got me hunting for a Toy Machine deck, but the 2 days later the feeling faded and I'm back to my stack.
Yeah, screw them for doing their jobs so well lol😅
I’m tempted to cut out all skate media to kill the urge, but I enjoy watching new parts. Luckily the urge does go away if you can delay purchases.
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this is probably going to sound really strange, but for some reason I can only skate trucks with a raw/silver hanger or black hanger. The base plate doesn't matter to me though. if I'm skating something with a different color hanger I feel off my game. I know this is completely psychological, but it feels like it takes longer to land tricks. It's just kind of like a feeling that my board isn't set up right. It almost feels like I'm skating someone elses board, even if it's the same brand and size. Does this make any sense to anybody? Does anyone else have something so minor fuck with your head this much? I feel even more insane typing this, nad you guys are going to think I'm a fucking lunatic but I need to know if it's just me.
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merging this into hardware pet peeves thread
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for some reason the hardware pet peeves thread won't show up anymore in search or can't be merged. since it has been dead for a while anyway, this will be the new one now and the thread will be left up.
@Daewons front truck would you be alright with this being a general hardware ocd thread and not have it truck specific? as mentioned we used to have a thread for irrational gear madness like this. it might be better to have one for all parts, as opposed to have several threads about each component.
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.0
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i thought this was about esoterics, like skating only certain colors, not really talking functionality. i feel like it's ok to have that be its own topic. imo it shouldn't be just about trucks tho.
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i thought this was about esoterics, like skating only certain colors, not really talking functionality. i feel like it's ok to have that be its own topic. imo it shouldn't be just about trucks tho.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=122395.0
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i thought this was about esoterics, like skating only certain colors, not really talking functionality. i feel like it's ok to have that be its own topic. imo it shouldn't be just about trucks tho.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=122395.0
thanks for the link! gonna try to merge the threads.
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Like most addictive things I’ve been around, some time interruption helps the ‘need’ fade.
I am pretty impressed/dismayed, at how malleable I am on this subject.
I think @Macho Taildrop mentioned something similar, somewhere, but as soon as I say: ‘14 wb or nothing’ or ‘i relate to 8s’ then I am for certain going to be back here, hat in hand, scuffing my shoe, unsure as ever, within s month or less.
Yeah I'm banned from saying concrete things about my gear preferences. I have two pretty opposite setups, hoping it will contain shit but I doubt it.
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Today I went skating with 2 extra sets of thunder hangers in my backpack.
On my board are titanium hangers with 52mm wheels.
The extras I brought are hollow hangers with 50mm wheels (Do I want a lower setup?) and standard hangers with 54mm wheels (Do I want a heavier/higher setup?)
Quickly tried all of them in 15 minutes and found out my current truck setup already feels the best. Best case scenario.
I've found that just really quickly trying stuff and making a decision calms the madness. Got it all over with and had a great session.
I feel pretty stupid about it, but I'm also happy. Trying stuff is fine, just never let it ruin your session/life
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if possible i will go out of my way to find bolts that have silver nuts to match baseplates.
after suffering from truck madness for a while, using different bushings and shit, i've went the other way in the last few years to the point were i'm afraid to put anything but stock components in my trucks and am a little obsessed to keep them as og as possible.
i don't skate certain top ply colors, not necessarily out of superstition, i just dislike looking down on a red, blue or yellow ply framing my grip. whereas i love orange, brown, purple, teal, grey/black. i don't ever skate natural top ply decks. they make me think i ride a toy board.
for a while i ocd'd on using 3 bolts per truck. this was originally due to me losing 2 bolts. after i set up the next few boards with only 6 bolts, i couldn't or didn't want to go back. i had to completely lose my whole setup to have me buy a new set of bolts, only to keep doing the same thing and then keep the two unused bolts as spares. after a little hiatus i was doing skatestuff inventory and was trying to build up a setup from what i had and had put 4 bolts back in. since then i am back on full boltage.
i think one of my main problems is that once i settled into a useless pet peeve, it's very hard for me to let go of them because they provide me with a weird sense of comfort.
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Had a great final session today (finally! weather) on my 8.38/5.8 setup. After skating a board to completion on 5.8s I can definitely say I skate better on Ventures vs. Indy.
Now I'm trying a 8.25 that's fuller in nose and tail than the three 8.38s I skated in a row. After setting it up and looking at it for awhile the 5.8s don't bother me aesthetically on the 8.25.
Really excited to skate it. Been getting really close to some new flip tricks. Hoping the smaller and new board will help!
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What trucks would you guys pair with a shorter board with long wheelbase?
I usually stick to 8.25/8.35 x 32 x 14.25/14.38 with Ventures, got a LB Skate Co deck that is 8.38 x 31.6 x 14.25. Last time I rode a short deck with long wheelbase (short tail - 6.3" tail) but the fat nose got me interest to try it out.
What trucks would you pair with these dims? Rode Ace AF1 Lows a while back but too twitchy for my likings. Thinking Indy Mid Forged or Thunder 149 Team Hollows?
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What trucks would you guys pair with a shorter board with long wheelbase?
I usually stick to 8.25/8.35 x 32 x 14.25/14.38 with Ventures, got a LB Skate Co deck that is 8.38 x 31.6 x 14.25. Last time I rode a short deck with long wheelbase (short tail - 6.3" tail) but the fat nose got me interest to try it out.
What trucks would you pair with these dims? Rode Ace AF1 Lows a while back but too twitchy for my likings. Thinking Indy Mid Forged or Thunder 149 Team Hollows?
I really like ventures on short tails, thunders too. I already use more of a just the tip, foot position. Ball of the back foot, near the back edge of the tail.
One of my favorite shapes is the G053 Gass shape, from girl. 6.4+ tail. Always skated it on 149 teams.
Ever since I watched that damn Jacopo followed video, I’ve really wanted to set up some aces. I’m guessing he skates af-1 44s (shameless solicitation for information)… I’ll add that I have the totally unique experience of really enjoying the way aces turn, whilst having small pop, and landing even less tricks than usual. I’ll try and hold steady
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What trucks would you guys pair with a shorter board with long wheelbase?
I usually stick to 8.25/8.35 x 32 x 14.25/14.38 with Ventures, got a LB Skate Co deck that is 8.38 x 31.6 x 14.25. Last time I rode a short deck with long wheelbase (short tail - 6.3" tail) but the fat nose got me interest to try it out.
What trucks would you pair with these dims? Rode Ace AF1 Lows a while back but too twitchy for my likings. Thinking Indy Mid Forged or Thunder 149 Team Hollows?
Clutch O shape? I'm currently on it with Indy Ti, but last summer I rode the K shape (more tapered instead of full) on Thunder Ti and I think it was a better setup. I had my highest ollie in decades on it. I'd go Thunder.
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merging this into hardware pet peeves thread
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for some reason the hardware pet peeves thread won't show up anymore in search or can't be merged. since it has been dead for a while anyway, this will be the new one now and the thread will be left up.
@Daewons front truck would you be alright with this being a general hardware ocd thread and not have it truck specific? as mentioned we used to have a thread for irrational gear madness like this. it might be better to have one for all parts, as opposed to have several threads about each component.
Sorry I'm late but yeah whatever works for you guys
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Am I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.
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Am I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.
Yes! Please don’t head down this path, it’ll only slow down your progression and cause you unnecessary stress. I’m not even joking. When I got into skateboarding I went WILD. And now I have enough gear to last me for the next three-four years. Just stick to one setup.
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Am I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.
As a beginner, the only thing you're changing by switching up gear is how long it's gonna take you to progress. The more you switch, the slower you progress. Don't waste your time. Actually that's true for everybody and not just beginners.
But of course, that's only if you actually want to progress. If you mainly want to roll around and try different stuff, go for it.
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Am I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.
I 100% agree with this, esp. if you are a beginner. I don't, in anyway, mean this to sound pejorative, but to really go deep into the differences of nuance-madness, you're best suited in having a decent foundation in basic skateboarding. For example, if you can't do a decent ollie, the different ways a 14.25 and 14.38 wb effect your ollie will be totally lost. Stick to one complete for now. Once, and only once, something wears out, try something slightly different, and keep notes about what you like/don't like about the change, and let that guide your following purchases.
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The people have spoken! All good, I hear you. I bought (2) of the G021 decks on Vday with grip for $80, plus I have the habitat 8”. So I am set for a while, esp. at the rate I skate. Easier on the wallet too.
Edit: one piece of gear I do think I need tho is new shoes. The 2 pairs of Nike Chron 2s (super thin Vulc shoe, can feel everything under foot) I’m rocking have been used as my main daily and work (finish carpenter) shoes for 2-3 years. My feet and knees hurt after skating lately but I’m thinking the shoes were just blown out to begin with and it’s getting worse as I’m skating now. I do have a brand new pair of NB 306s that I scored for $35 shipped, that hurt my feet but maybe they just need to break in? I like the increase in stability and protection over my SBs.
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The people have spoken! All good, I hear you. I bought (2) of the G021 decks on Vday with grip for $80, plus I have the habitat 8”. So I am set for a while, esp. at the rate I skate. Easier on the wallet too.
Edit: one piece of gear I do think I need tho is new shoes. The 2 pairs of Nike Chron 2s (super thin Vulc shoe, can feel everything under foot) I’m rocking have been used as my main daily and work (finish carpenter) shoes for 2-3 years. My feet and knees hurt after skating lately but I’m thinking the shoes were just blown out to begin with and it’s getting worse as I’m skating now. I do have a brand new pair of NB 306s that I scored for $35 shipped, that hurt my feet but maybe they just need to break in? I like the increase in stability and protection over my SBs.
I've not worn the 306, but the general consensus around any skate shoe is to wear them day-to-day for a little while in order to get them broken in and to get your feet accustomed to them.
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Am I crazy for wanting to buy a 2nd pair of the same trucks for a 2nd setup so that I can compare deck shapes/sizes/wheelbase and wheel sizes/duro, while skating mid sesh, without having to waste any time to swap trucks? Keep in mind i am a beginner just getting back into skating, but have serious GAS with all my hobbies lol.
I 100% agree with this, esp. if you are a beginner. I don't, in anyway, mean this to sound pejorative, but to really go deep into the differences of nuance-madness, you're best suited in having a decent foundation in basic skateboarding. For example, if you can't do a decent ollie, the different ways a 14.25 and 14.38 wb effect your ollie will be totally lost. Stick to one complete for now. Once, and only once, something wears out, try something slightly different, and keep notes about what you like/don't like about the change, and let that guide your following purchases.
Oh, I agree. It doesn’t sound condescending. I was worried about stuff I had no business worrying about. And that’s my goal now. I’ll only try new things once something breaks. I’m also done putting gear on ice. Cause my tastes change so fast, I’ll buy something and when it comes time to use it I’m already over it. So now my motto is, “Buy it when you need it.”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0
hurt my back, didnt skate for a while because i needed to make sure i was good to skate on the 18th for an event my volunteer group was participating in. Re aggravated the back injury during the event, and had the worst knee pain of my life that evening. My right knee (im reg, so my main pop leg) will sometimes get sore after skating for a while, but it has never in my life hurt like it did the evening after our event. Thankfully the pain had died down to manageable levels after sleeping, but it still doesnt feel quite right.
Though I'm sure all of this mental BS is probably mostly due to my injuries, my dormant madness is starting to stir and its directing my focus toward my setup.
Currently considering throwing some thunders on longer WB boards to see how that suits me. im 6' 4" and I'm wondering if some of my awkward positioning on my skateboard (from it not fitting my long ass body/legs is what is leading me to these injuries.
I have an 8.38 with a 14.5 wb from deluxe and a 8.38 palace with a 14.81 wb. Have also considered trying that 8.6 dlx shape with that 14.75 wb
I hate not being able to just ignore my setup, it drives me nuts how i will feel so completely fine with it, no desire to change, and then something just goes off in my head like i NEED to try this other thing out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0
hurt my back, didnt skate for a while because i needed to make sure i was good to skate on the 18th for an event my volunteer group was participating in. Re aggravated the back injury during the event, and had the worst knee pain of my life that evening. My right knee (im reg, so my main pop leg) will sometimes get sore after skating for a while, but it has never in my life hurt like it did the evening after our event. Thankfully the pain had died down to manageable levels after sleeping, but it still doesnt feel quite right.
Though I'm sure all of this mental BS is probably mostly due to my injuries, my dormant madness is starting to stir and its directing my focus toward my setup.
Currently considering throwing some thunders on longer WB boards to see how that suits me. im 6' 4" and I'm wondering if some of my awkward positioning on my skateboard (from it not fitting my long ass body/legs is what is leading me to these injuries.
I have an 8.38 with a 14.5 wb from deluxe and a 8.38 palace with a 14.81 wb. Have also considered trying that 8.6 dlx shape with that 14.75 wb
I hate not being able to just ignore my setup, it drives me nuts how i will feel so completely fine with it, no desire to change, and then something just goes off in my head like i NEED to try this other thing out.
Can relate. I’m also a tall skater and I ride 14.25 wheelbase boards that honestly feel a little cramped. When I’m injured or can’t skate I tweak my setup. Or if I’m down and depressed. It’s made me realize that stocking up is a bad idea cause my mind changes too much. Now I have tons of gear I don’t care to skate. Anyway, I hope you can heal up!
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Can relate. I’m also a tall skater and I ride 14.25 wheelbase boards that honestly feel a little cramped. When I’m injured or can’t skate I tweak my setup. Or if I’m down and depressed. It’s made me realize that stocking up is a bad idea cause my mind changes too much. Now I have tons of gear I don’t care to skate. Anyway, I hope you can heal up!
Thanks for the kind words, I def recommend getting a lonnger wb than the standard 14.25 if you are taller. I've been on 14.4/14.5 with indys for a while now. But i know thunders add about a quarter inch to your wheelbase vs indys.
Interesting that you change your gear when you are feeling down, I feel like i might do the same, but never really noticed.
Skateboarding can be very emotional lol.
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Dude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks
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I'm actually thinking of going back down to 14.25 and/or Ventures since I keep fucking up Thunder bushings and its getting old. I noticed on a friend's setup and on a board I setup for fun a few months ago that the slightly faster pop of a shorter board makes it a bit easier to get onto taller ledges, which is what I want to skate right now. Not waist high, I'm not that great, but above knee height with my current bag of basics would be nirvana.
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Dude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks
Mine hurt as well in them, not for the GT having no arch, or a high one, they just made my arch area hurt for no apparent reason.
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So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
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Dude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks
Mine hurt as well in them, not for the GT having no arch, or a high one, they just made my arch area hurt for no apparent reason.
Damn... guess i might have to retire these and turn em to chillers before they're too haggard. The one time I step away from the go-to... ::)
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Dude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks
Mine hurt as well in them, not for the GT having no arch, or a high one, they just made my arch area hurt for no apparent reason.
Damn... guess i might have to retire these and turn em to chillers before they're too haggard. The one time I step away from the go-to... ::)
Chillers that hurt seem to defeat the purpose unfortunately...
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So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
One swap at a time whatever it is. Keep your current everything and swap to the smaller deck. Then once you've decided if that is a keeper try the wheels and then trucks. The biggest differences will be that order of swaps.
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Dude okay this has been pissing me off...
I bought a pair of GT Blazers for the first time a couple weeks ago. The last shoes I skated were Vans Rowans (had like 6-7 pairs in a row).
Obviously, they fit pretty different. I really like the way the GTs look and skate, they feel much "sturdier" than the soft, pilable Vans.
The problem is the fucking arch in these guys! I swapped the stock insoles for the thinnest, mellowest Remind insoles - destin, 3mm I think - I also tried the 6mm version, and my left arch (exclusively) just aches and feels terrible. I've just been dealing with it cause I like the shoe overall, but I've never had pain in my foot like this.
To be clear, my left foot isn't radically different than my left, and my right foot feels totally fine. I've tried running them laced tight and loose, no effect.
Is it just not meant to be? Any one have ideas on how I might be able to ghetto fix this? Maybe put them in the oven and try to re-mold them? I'm really bummed cause i want to love them, but this sucks
Mine hurt as well in them, not for the GT having no arch, or a high one, they just made my arch area hurt for no apparent reason.
Damn... guess i might have to retire these and turn em to chillers before they're too haggard. The one time I step away from the go-to... ::)
I realize how backward that sounded lol Luckily they seem to do okay if I'm not on board. Might hunt for some really thin insoles.
They might be fresh enough to drop at the shop, but just barely. otherwise I'm just out 70-80$
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So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
One swap at a time whatever it is. Keep your current everything and swap to the smaller deck. Then once you've decided if that is a keeper try the wheels and then trucks. The biggest differences will be that order of swaps.
Wholeheartedly disagree.
So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
Personally I say go for it. My main setup is always an 8.25 board and trucks and 52mm wheels, it's a fantastic combo. But I'd suggest dropping to 8.25 first.
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If money is tight, just swap the deck and wheel since you already have them as you are NOT going to really notice 2mm wheel different because you will be too subconsciously distracted on the deck width); keep your trucks.
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So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
One swap at a time whatever it is. Keep your current everything and swap to the smaller deck. Then once you've decided if that is a keeper try the wheels and then trucks. The biggest differences will be that order of swaps.
Wholeheartedly disagree.
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So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
Personally I say go for it. My main setup is always an 8.25 board and trucks and 52mm wheels, it's a fantastic combo. But I'd suggest dropping to 8.25 first.
or
If money is tight, just swap the deck and wheel since you already have them as you are NOT going to really notice 2mm wheel different because you will be too subconsciously distracted on the deck width); keep your trucks.
Money isn't an issue at all, but yeah, I'll see how I like the whole thing with the 149s on, and whenever I'm due for some trucks I might size down then. Or if I get the urge to try something other than Thunders or Indys, then I might get some Ventures or something. (I have a set of 149 indys on my cruiser right now, had it on my setup and impulse bought the Thunders and skated much better on them, or at least it felt like it after I got used to them)
Thanks for the reply!
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So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
One swap at a time whatever it is. Keep your current everything and swap to the smaller deck. Then once you've decided if that is a keeper try the wheels and then trucks. The biggest differences will be that order of swaps.
Wholeheartedly disagree.
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So I've been on 8.38-8.5 decks with Thunder team 149s and spitfire OG Classics 54 for a little while. I've been thinking of sizing down in board size for a bit and I think I might go for it. Thinking of going 8.125-8.25 decks with either Thunder 148 or Venture 5.6 with a set of almost brand new spitfire 52mm classics I already have.
I need support in convincing me to just get a 8.25 deck and throw the set of 52 classics on my 149s and NOT buy another set of trucks.
I've also thought of going all the way down to 8" with 5.2/147s, but I think that might be a bit too much of a downsizing for now...
I mean... 52s on 149s would be pretty techy on a 8.25, RIGHT?
Personally I say go for it. My main setup is always an 8.25 board and trucks and 52mm wheels, it's a fantastic combo. But I'd suggest dropping to 8.25 first.
or
If money is tight, just swap the deck and wheel since you already have them as you are NOT going to really notice 2mm wheel different because you will be too subconsciously distracted on the deck width); keep your trucks.
I can't see why you'd disagree. Swapping a deck can be jarring cuz it's not just the shorter wheelbase. He might hate the nose or concave on the first one he gets and if he swapped everything he wouldn't know why he hated it. That at least tells him if he likes a shorter shape. His wheels probably aren't 54 anymore either so it's likely they're close to 51-52. Let's assume they aren't, swapping wheels is cheap and not as committing so if he wants a faster pop it's a super easy fix. 149 on 8.25 isn't bad and if he's decided to fully commit he can get a bit more rotational response on certain tricks by switching down.
This is speaking from a former madness perspective where in retrospect a lot of my entire setup swaps were too many variables to know what did and didn't work well. Now my 8" deck has lows and 51s, but I've ridden 8's on forged plate highs with 52s and it's still felt proportional enough.
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Because I do...jezzus...What does it matter if I do or not?
Seriously, ask yourself if my opinion really matters to you.
The OP looked at your opinion, and mine, and will make his own choice.
FFS man, you always have to be right, get over yourself.
OP has the smaller wheels and 149s, everything will work fine on an 8.25...which is one of the mentioned targets...people get new decks ALL THE TIME. Tell me, how do you know it won't gel for him?
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I'm actually thinking of going back down to 14.25 and/or Ventures since I keep fucking up Thunder bushings and its getting old. I noticed on a friend's setup and on a board I setup for fun a few months ago that the slightly faster pop of a shorter board makes it a bit easier to get onto taller ledges, which is what I want to skate right now. Not waist high, I'm not that great, but above knee height with my current bag of basics would be nirvana.
I like shorter boards, and short tails. And low trucks. And quick pop. And thunders. And ventures.
So I’m not much help.
You are tall, so your knee height will be way different than mine, but basics, higher, is an admirable goal imo.
Lots of variables, I’ve Ollied high, for me, on super long boards, but maybe they had bigger wheels…hard to memorize all the different aspects of all of these concoctions I’ve compiled.
I ollie higher with ventures, more consistent pop (kickflips) with thunders. I, and everyone I think, fuck up the thunder bushings. Looks weird, but I don’t find it bothering me. Does it fuck with the turn/stability? Eventually I’ll try these super hard thunder bushings I have.
Interested to see how it works out for you.
For me, shorter setups do help me get up higher, and I need all of the help I can possibly get. Mob, vulcs, fucking I’d skate a lib tech rn if I could ollie a tennis net
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Because I do...jezzus...What does it matter if I do or not?
Seriously, ask yourself if my opinion really matters to you.
The OP looked at your opinion, and mine, and will make his own choice.
FFS man, you always have to be right, get over yourself.
OP has the smaller wheels and 149s, everything will work fine on an 8.25...which is one of the mentioned targets...people get new decks ALL THE TIME. Tell me, how do you know it won't gel for him?
Damn, touched a nerve there. Usually an adult that has an opinion has a reason for it. Being an adult myself and a curious one that tries to learn from others, I was interested in some sort of logic I had considered. It's not a matter of right or wrong. I think in an analytic or scientific way because that's how my brain works hence the 1 variable at a time so you don't have any impact from covariance, but I realize others take different approaches to simple stuff and it's interesting to hear about and consider being less anal retentive myself. Other opinions do matter.
Now saying you don't agree then going on some random tangent without any explanation makes you seem like you're disagreeing just to be a pain in the ass. Not to actually add any value to any discussion.
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I'm actually thinking of going back down to 14.25 and/or Ventures since I keep fucking up Thunder bushings and its getting old. I noticed on a friend's setup and on a board I setup for fun a few months ago that the slightly faster pop of a shorter board makes it a bit easier to get onto taller ledges, which is what I want to skate right now. Not waist high, I'm not that great, but above knee height with my current bag of basics would be nirvana.
I like shorter boards, and short tails. And low trucks. And quick pop. And thunders. And ventures.
So I’m not much help.
You are tall, so your knee height will be way different than mine, but basics, higher, is an admirable goal imo.
Lots of variables, I’ve Ollied high, for me, on super long boards, but maybe they had bigger wheels…hard to memorize all the different aspects of all of these concoctions I’ve compiled.
I ollie higher with ventures, more consistent pop (kickflips) with thunders. I, and everyone I think, fuck up the thunder bushings. Looks weird, but I don’t find it bothering me. Does it fuck with the turn/stability? Eventually I’ll try these super hard thunder bushings I have.
Interested to see how it works out for you.
For me, shorter setups do help me get up higher, and I need all of the help I can possibly get. Mob, vulcs, fucking I’d skate a lib tech rn if I could ollie a tennis net
The bushings split on the heel side front truck this time both top and bottom. The bottom one split all the way through and the board turns way easier to that side. I rotated it to put the split in the middle then did some slappies and it has cracked heel side again.
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What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
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What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
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What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
totally agree that it's best to try different stuff so that it will either reinforce what you like about your current setup or you may discover that you like a different truck brand, etc.
what is it that you mainly look for from a setup that will be primarily be used for flatground tricks? what matters more to you? turn over pop? stability?
just from my experience with Ventures and Thunders - Thunders have a lighter pop feel and turn quicker/sharper. Ventures are more stable and can produce huge pop if you can get used to the heavier pop feel. This is with both trucks with stock parts.
There are so many factors that you can change if you feel like you're not getting what you want from your setup - for trucks: flat top washer, harder/softer bushings, cylinder/conical bottom bushing, cutting the top bushing, running no washers, etc.
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I had a Baker 8.25 recently with both Indy FH and Thunders. Hated it on the FH- the mild concave made the pop feel too light especially on the nose. Thunders felt better on it for sure. I think an Indy standard or Venture might be best for me for that deck as the heaviness would balance out nice.
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What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
If you look at the comments on Den Degros' YouTube and Instagram, people are constantly asking things like "Will Thunder 148 trucks work on an 8.25" deck with 52mm wheels" and it's like - brother, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
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I had a Baker 8.25 recently with both Indy FH and Thunders. Hated it on the FH- the mild concave made the pop feel too light especially on the nose. Thunders felt better on it for sure. I think an Indy standard or Venture might be best for me for that deck as the heaviness would balance out nice.
I don't want a too heavy board with too heavy pop (I'm skating right now with ventures 5.2 high raws.. some tricks are a battle for me, sometimes I feel like I'm not in control of my board and having to make a superhuman effort without ease!) But I hate a board that is too light.. I had the 147 Thunder, with 8 or 8.125, and too light.. it earned me an ankle injury (360 flip that turned too much )
The 148 really appeals to me because I really want to switch to 8.25 later.. Do they really have a pop with a light sensation ? That might be cool for a wide board like 8.25 if that's the case ! I also want to be more stable to work on my manuals, it's horrible with the 5.2 high raws! I don't know how John dilo does haha
For 148, I also trust Ben degros for the fact that these are "goodilocks" trucks ! The only thing that scares me is with my height and shoe size (5.7 and 8 foot size), but I don't think that's a big factor and prevents me from performing tricks.. ???
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I had a Baker 8.25 recently with both Indy FH and Thunders. Hated it on the FH- the mild concave made the pop feel too light especially on the nose. Thunders felt better on it for sure. I think an Indy standard or Venture might be best for me for that deck as the heaviness would balance out nice.
I don't want a too heavy board with too heavy pop (I'm skating right now with ventures 5.2 high raws.. some tricks are a battle for me, sometimes I feel like I'm not in control of my board and having to make a superhuman effort without ease!) But I hate a board that is too light.. I had the 147 Thunder, with 8 or 8.125, and too light.. it earned me an ankle injury (360 flip that turned too much )
The 148 really appeals to me because I really want to switch to 8.25 later.. Do they really have a pop with a light sensation ? That might be cool for a wide board like 8.25 if that's the case ! I also want to be more stable to work on my manuals, it's horrible with the 5.2 high raws! I don't know how John dilo does haha
For 148, I also trust Ben degros for the fact that these are "goodilocks" trucks ! The only thing that scares me is with my height and shoe size (5.7 and 8 foot size), but I don't think that's a big factor and prevents me from performing tricks.. ???
Remember there is so much more to creating the heavy/light pop feel of a board than just the trucks. Truck wheelbase, deck wheelbase, height (truck/wheelsize), fingers of flat, steepness of kicks, length of kicks, etc are ALL factors in what creates pop feel.
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What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
If you look at the comments on Den Degros' YouTube and Instagram, people are constantly asking things like "Will Thunder 148 trucks work on an 8.25" deck with 52mm wheels" and it's like - brother, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
It’s a poor carpenter that blames their tools.
Or something like that.
This Goldilocks trucks thing is a myth. I think somewhere in this recent information sharing and gathering period that we are all in, someone started talking about effective wb, deck wb, the effect trucks have…and there are just too many other factors.
I can say, as someone that currently will rock up to the spot with 3 or 4 setups in tow, that this shit is unhelpful, and most likely unhealthy.
There is some fun to it. I do enjoy aspects of trying different things, getting feedback and ideas on here…but if it is all about personal progression, just pick something, and you’ll adjust. If the board is within .5” of the trucks, that’ll be a close enough start. Everything else will work.
Now there might be something else out there, that would be more optimal for you @FrenchSkater, but it probably is not worth the journey. Still gonna have to do the work. Still gonna fuck up your ankles.
I want to be very clear, I am not above any of the madness/consumerism: I want yet a different set of trucks (ace lows) for no great reason. I just saw an older Ishod 8 tt shape with the shorter tails and liked that. I want to try a truefit board. Neither of those are all that flat, and I want a flat board, so I’ll be on the look out for that. And that is all for someone (me) very old, that doesn’t skate 5 hours a week, and sometimes not even that much in a month. I got kids, and 2 jobs. And I waste time on here. With you fucks.
So do what you do. Buy the 148s. Maybe they’ll be the shit. Hopefully you’ll be stoked.
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What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
If you look at the comments on Den Degros' YouTube and Instagram, people are constantly asking things like "Will Thunder 148 trucks work on an 8.25" deck with 52mm wheels" and it's like - brother, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
lol
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I’m trying to figure out why my favorite decks have been from PS Stix. It’s weird, my Indys seemingly turn better on this Pizza deck. Could it be the flatter concave? Feels like I have more room to work with.
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What is the best setup for flatground skater :
- 8.125 Baker with Ventures 5.25 Hollows high ?
- 8.125 Baker with Thunder 148 raws ?
(All of that with 52 mm Spitfire classics)
I hesitate between these two parameters ..
That is like asking, "What is the best color for a painter?" There are so many variables. The only way to find out what works best for you is to try different stuff.
If you look at the comments on Den Degros' YouTube and Instagram, people are constantly asking things like "Will Thunder 148 trucks work on an 8.25" deck with 52mm wheels" and it's like - brother, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
It’s a poor carpenter that blames their tools.
A good carpenter knows tools have specific utility for specific purposes. A good carpenter doesn't have one tool for all jobs, and he will certainly "blame his tools" if the job requires a drill, and all he has is a tape measure.
Moreover, when Ben D. talks about "goldilocks" anything, he is talking about the the best all-around set-up that works for him. He knows, and has said, that "your millage may vary." Ben's two real messages are, (1) Do your own research, and (b) When you find something that works, stop the madness (which is what you are saying, too).
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I’m trying to figure out why my favorite decks have been from PS Stix. It’s weird, my Indys seemingly turn better on this Pizza deck. Could it be the flatter concave? Feels like I have more room to work with.
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Because I do...jezzus...What does it matter if I do or not?
Seriously, ask yourself if my opinion really matters to you.
The OP looked at your opinion, and mine, and will make his own choice.
FFS man, you always have to be right, get over yourself.
OP has the smaller wheels and 149s, everything will work fine on an 8.25...which is one of the mentioned targets...people get new decks ALL THE TIME. Tell me, how do you know it won't gel for him?
Damn, touched a nerve there. Usually an adult that has an opinion has a reason for it. Being an adult myself and a curious one that tries to learn from others, I was interested in some sort of logic I had considered. It's not a matter of right or wrong. I think in an analytic or scientific way because that's how my brain works hence the 1 variable at a time so you don't have any impact from covariance, but I realize others take different approaches to simple stuff and it's interesting to hear about and consider being less anal retentive myself. Other opinions do matter.
Now saying you don't agree then going on some random tangent without any explanation makes you seem like you're disagreeing just to be a pain in the ass. Not to actually add any value to any discussion.
Gateway issue borked my replies...
Anyway, as an adult you should:
Stop making everything about you.
Agree to disagree.
Stop making on the spectrum excuses
I challenge your OCD to not argue this comment/have to squeak in the last word and realize I'm fucking with you EVERY.TIME. You fucking Kook (also, please neg me, I hope it makes you feel better).
You are so entertaining.
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I’m trying to figure out why my favorite decks have been from PS Stix. It’s weird, my Indys seemingly turn better on this Pizza deck. Could it be the flatter concave? Feels like I have more room to work with.
I don't think you are alone, there's a bunch of us that prefer the flatter stuff; only recently did I realize that's my preference. Was skating a china made disorder (was hoping it was PS but nope) and it's so comfortable and flag (nose is too long at 7.125 and shovel-like). I setup a SC board to compare and it was gross...steep...and I felt like I was on rails.
Just setup a Girl with visibly less concave (than the disorder) but the kicks are a tad steeper.
Stepped foot on a Welcome board the other day and it felt nice and flat.
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I’m trying to figure out why my favorite decks have been from PS Stix. It’s weird, my Indys seemingly turn better on this Pizza deck. Could it be the flatter concave? Feels like I have more room to work with.
I don't think you are alone, there's a bunch of us that prefer the flatter stuff; only recently did I realize that's my preference. Was skating a china made disorder (was hoping it was PS but nope) and it's so comfortable and flag (nose is too long at 7.125 and shovel-like). I setup a SC board to compare and it was gross...steep...and I felt like I was on rails.
Just setup a Girl with visibly less concave (than the disorder) but the kicks are a tad steeper.
Stepped foot on a Welcome board the other day and it felt nice and flat.
I’ll only ride DLX III/IV stamped. I like flatter feel, too.
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I had a Baker 8.25 recently with both Indy FH and Thunders. Hated it on the FH- the mild concave made the pop feel too light especially on the nose. Thunders felt better on it for sure. I think an Indy standard or Venture might be best for me for that deck as the heaviness would balance out nice.
I don't want a too heavy board with too heavy pop (I'm skating right now with ventures 5.2 high raws.. some tricks are a battle for me, sometimes I feel like I'm not in control of my board and having to make a superhuman effort without ease!) But I hate a board that is too light.. I had the 147 Thunder, with 8 or 8.125, and too light.. it earned me an ankle injury (360 flip that turned too much )
The 148 really appeals to me because I really want to switch to 8.25 later.. Do they really have a pop with a light sensation ? That might be cool for a wide board like 8.25 if that's the case ! I also want to be more stable to work on my manuals, it's horrible with the 5.2 high raws! I don't know how John dilo does haha
For 148, I also trust Ben degros for the fact that these are "goodilocks" trucks ! The only thing that scares me is with my height and shoe size (5.7 and 8 foot size), but I don't think that's a big factor and prevents me from performing tricks.. ???
For me the long, pointy, mellow nose and a light feeling truck made the nose hit too quick or i ghosted stuff cuz my timing was off. For me FH Indy feel really light due to the wheelbase and weight and it just made the nose worse and pop too fast for my old ass to keep up. Thunder Team were better so I'd suspect I'd like Venture the most or Indy Standard the most as I have on Bakers in the past.
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My madness may have reached an all time low. I had some Pizza decks that got canceled from The Drop. Brand sucks, but I love that shape. Anyway, went to their website and saw them, but they charge like $20 to ship. Said naw, and then switched my current setup back to this 8.5 FA.
Even though I loved that Pizza shape, I don’t want to get hooked on something that will be hard to obtain. With the FA, you can walk into most shops and find them, or order online. With some of these brands you have to jump through hoops to find the shape and woodshop. I prefer PS Stix, but it seems like they’re slowly being replaced by BBS.
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I'm currently suffering some internal truck madness. I'm currently going back and forth between 139 and 144 FH Indys with 53-54 mm Classics on 8.125-8.25 boards. I feel too high up, especially with steeper boards. I want to try something lower.
I gave Thunder 147s a shot (again) last year, but I just can't get Thunders to feel right for me.
I want to try Indy Mids or Ace Lows with risers.
How bad is the kingpin clearance if you swap Indy Mid hangers onto forged plates? I think I recall seeing in another thread that it wasn't great. Worse or same as Thunder 147s?
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I'm currently suffering some internal truck madness. I'm currently going back and forth between 139 and 144 FH Indys with 53-54 mm Classics on 8.125-8.25 boards. I feel too high up, especially with steeper boards. I want to try something lower.
I gave Thunder 147s a shot (again) last year, but I just can't get Thunders to feel right for me.
I want to try Indy Mids or Ace Lows with risers.
How bad is the kingpin clearance if you swap Indy Mid hangers onto forged plates? I think I recall seeing in another thread that it wasn't great. Worse or same as Thunder 147s?
I did a mix and match comparison and although it still sits just under the line of the hanger, if you do a lot of feeble or smith type grinds, you are probably going to grind it down some.
Mid hangers on standard or forged plates give much the same clearance as earlier stage Indy trucks, which for some is just not worth it, but for others, they can make it work well enough to not have to worry about it.
My old Indy trucks used to get pretty worn so the kingpin nut was getting smashed, or as I worked out to use a lower top bushing, I could get the nut down lower and have better clearance, but either tightening things down a lot or cutting down a top bushing is not for everyone, along with angle grinding down the kingpin as well, just to reduce the catch factor.
Even just running the Indy Mids stock or at least with whatever bushings you choose and the inverted kingpin tightened right down should give you a better ride than a mix and match option.
Using a more mellow deck definitely helped when things felt too tall, but again finding a more mellow board, or flattening out a deck is a bit of work and sometimes not worth it for some people.
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I'm currently suffering some internal truck madness. I'm currently going back and forth between 139 and 144 FH Indys with 53-54 mm Classics on 8.125-8.25 boards. I feel too high up, especially with steeper boards. I want to try something lower.
I gave Thunder 147s a shot (again) last year, but I just can't get Thunders to feel right for me.
I want to try Indy Mids or Ace Lows with risers.
How bad is the kingpin clearance if you swap Indy Mid hangers onto forged plates? I think I recall seeing in another thread that it wasn't great. Worse or same as Thunder 147s?
Thunder 147s are rad. But…coming from Indy they’d feel less rad (thunders are lower, significantly, turn very quickly/shallow, and wheelbite a lot).
The kingpin clearance isn’t great on the 147s.
If you liked Indys, and wanted to try thunders, the cast baseplate would probably be better, and 148s better still. 148s are, I think, 52mm, which is close to the indy forged height, but for me, the thunder axle position lends a quicker pop.
If you are into Indys, and the turn, ace have arguably (is it?) a better turn, and are lower. The lows are lower yet. I haven’t tried the lows, but it’s basically a matter of time until I do…haven’t seen anyone crushing it on them, otherwise I’d probably already own em. Anyways, to me, ace seems like the easiest change, from Indy.
Haven’t tried the Indy mids. Don’t recall anyone being super stoked on them, on slap, but that doesn’t mean much (apologies to the collective it’s just that…we might be too fickle). I think the mids, from my reading here, were a series of compromises that didn’t hit. Hopefully someone that loves them chimes in tho.
Indys, have a…I’ve never been super into em, and I dunno why. The problem is me, and most likely my contrarian nature, and Indy’s have been the standard for quite a minute. I think because they are so balanced in their geo/attributes, they don’t shine in any one way, so I’m just kinda whatever about them.
Most people like them on steep boards, but my favorite indy setups were on flat boards, with lots of fingers of flat. But. I also just like really flat boards, with lots of fingers of flat.
Maybe you can try just using smaller wheels for a little bit?
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I appreciate the suggestions.
I still have the Thunder 147 casts so maybe I'll give them a go again with some 1/16 risers. I've found they have a strange twitchiness I haven't been able to stick with long enough to get used to.
And I do have some 52 mm Radial Slims that are probably 51s or 50s that I can play around with to get my setup lower.
I was a straight Venture guy in the mid-late 90s and early 2000s before hopping on Indy Stage 9s and 10s. Over the last few years I've bounced back and forth between Indy 11s and Venture with the odd week or so on Thunder (unsuccessfully) here and there.
The best I've objectively skated was probably on forged Indy Stage 10s. I don't recall the kingpin clearance being an issue at the time. Curiosity will probably get the better of me and I'll probably try the Indy Mid hangers.
Those Ace Lows are tempting though. But trying a new truck brand might be the last thing I need right now.
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
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My last 4 sets of trucks: Thunder teams, Venture Forged, Ace lo's, Mindys forged hollows....
I liked ventures the best, then thunders, then mindys, then aces...
The Ace lo's are just too radical for me. Too low, pushed the wheelbase too far in, nose and tail felt too long/ disproportionate. Considering how low they were though, no wheelbite, liked the grind, I had hollows and they didn't seem too heavy. If you're a loose truck guy, I'd maybe recommend them.
Mindy is a more moderate version, just a solid lower truck. I'd put them up against a thunder, but the thunder is lighter, indy turns better, less wheelbite and I liked where the what they did to the wheelbase.
I didn't bother messing with Royals, I'm sure they are fine too, I just don't need any more truckery.....going back to ventures. Them and the thunders I skated two sets in a row, while the aces/mindy's, I'm not bananas about them.
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My last 4 sets of trucks: Thunder teams, Venture Forged, Ace lo's, Mindys forged hollows....
I liked ventures the best, then thunders, then mindys, then aces...
The Ace lo's are just too radical for me. Too low, pushed the wheelbase too far in, nose and tail felt too long/ disproportionate. Considering how low they were though, no wheelbite, liked the grind, I had hollows and they didn't seem too heavy. If you're a loose truck guy, I'd maybe recommend them.
Mindy is a more moderate version, just a solid lower truck. I'd put them up against a thunder, but the thunder is lighter, indy turns better, less wheelbite and I liked where the what they did to the wheelbase.
I didn't bother messing with Royals, I'm sure they are fine too, I just don't need any more truckery.....going back to ventures. Them and the thunders I skated two sets in a row, while the aces/mindy's, I'm not bananas about them.
Interesting.
I’ve been locked into this idea of trying the ace lows, after enjoying my af1 44s.
I don’t have a good reason to get them, just experimenting.
I generally bounce back and forth between: any ventures, and 147 or 148 thunders.
I have too many trucks.
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
I hated the 1010s, but eventually I gave them like three weeks of regular use, until they broke in and it clicked for me. Now I get it. I know a lot of people say the same thing.
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My last 4 sets of trucks: Thunder teams, Venture Forged, Ace lo's, Mindys forged hollows....
I liked ventures the best, then thunders, then mindys, then aces...
The Ace lo's are just too radical for me. Too low, pushed the wheelbase too far in, nose and tail felt too long/ disproportionate. Considering how low they were though, no wheelbite, liked the grind, I had hollows and they didn't seem too heavy. If you're a loose truck guy, I'd maybe recommend them.
Mindy is a more moderate version, just a solid lower truck. I'd put them up against a thunder, but the thunder is lighter, indy turns better, less wheelbite and I liked where the what they did to the wheelbase.
I didn't bother messing with Royals, I'm sure they are fine too, I just don't need any more truckery.....going back to ventures. Them and the thunders I skated two sets in a row, while the aces/mindy's, I'm not bananas about them.
Interesting.
I’ve been locked into this idea of trying the ace lows, after enjoying my af1 44s.
I don’t have a good reason to get them, just experimenting.
I generally bounce back and forth between: any ventures, and 147 or 148 thunders.
I have too many trucks.
For me it was a matter of me thinking a low truck, that didn't wheelbite and shrunk the wheelbase on a generator board made perfect sense. They are definitely an interesting ride just because of how they turn while being insanely low. At the end of the day, a Venture or Thunder team is low enough, the wheelbase is something that doesn't impact my skating as much as I think it does, and I actually like how ventures turn, lots of chill time.
If I have anything going for me it's getting rid of the trucks that don't work, I'll piece together an old deck, cheap set of bearings and some wheels that I'm not crazy about and give/sell the complete. It's a mistake...I must be punished....
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
I hated the 1010s, but eventually I gave them like three weeks of regular use, until they broke in and it clicked for me. Now I get it. I know a lot of people say the same thing.
I haven’t had some for a minute, but they truly felt like the most high quality option
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
1010, KSL, and I imagine the Tyshawn all need some time to get going. Wear the Maranas, try a new insole in the 440 if you haven’t already, and break in the other kicks some more. 1010 and KSL are great shoes.
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
Just get better insoles. I use Superfeet Run Comfort and a friend uses the Adapt Run and both make the 440 feel so much better.
How long did you break in the 1010 for? I didn't like them at first, but now it's what I skate 80% of the time.
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Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
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i went a little crazy with sales and half cabs. which wasn't so bad, you know, getting em for 30-40 bucks shipped was a steal and they'd be worn at some point. but i realized i've gotta wear a half size up and trying to stretch these jawns out ain't gonna work. i've got a couple colorways i'm really fond of and wanted to save but they don't fucking fit so I put most of my 10.5 half cab (and a few others) collection up on craigslist the other night. I've got multiple moms hitting me up to buy $50 half cabs for their sons. How nice is that? I really gotta stop buying shit though. Hopefully now that i've found that the Blazer mid, size 11, is my dream shoe for now, since they don't seem to get cheap like vans, I won't be buying too many pairs
i ended up buying a set of wheels I don't need from a PAL the other night though. fuck.
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i went a little crazy with sales and half cabs. which wasn't so bad, you know, getting em for 30-40 bucks shipped was a steal and they'd be worn at some point. but i realized i've gotta wear a half size up and trying to stretch these jawns out ain't gonna work. i've got a couple colorways i'm really fond of and wanted to save but they don't fucking fit so I put most of my 10.5 half cab (and a few others) collection up on craigslist the other night. I've got multiple moms hitting me up to buy $50 half cabs for their sons. How nice is that? I really gotta stop buying shit though. Hopefully now that i've found that the Blazer mid, size 11, is my dream shoe for now, since they don't seem to get cheap like vans, I won't be buying too many pairs
i ended up buying a set of wheels I don't need from a PAL the other night though. fuck.
It’s been 10 years a least since I’ve had blazers.
Are they really hot? I guess halfcabs are foot saunas as well…
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Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me
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i went a little crazy with sales and half cabs. which wasn't so bad, you know, getting em for 30-40 bucks shipped was a steal and they'd be worn at some point. but i realized i've gotta wear a half size up and trying to stretch these jawns out ain't gonna work. i've got a couple colorways i'm really fond of and wanted to save but they don't fucking fit so I put most of my 10.5 half cab (and a few others) collection up on craigslist the other night. I've got multiple moms hitting me up to buy $50 half cabs for their sons. How nice is that? I really gotta stop buying shit though. Hopefully now that i've found that the Blazer mid, size 11, is my dream shoe for now, since they don't seem to get cheap like vans, I won't be buying too many pairs
i ended up buying a set of wheels I don't need from a PAL the other night though. fuck.
It’s been 10 years a least since I’ve had blazers.
Are they really hot? I guess halfcabs are foot saunas as well…
I don't feel like they're getting really hot but i'm a strictly wool socks dude this time of year. this is my first pair and they're great
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
Skated a set for over 6 months. The grind is soft but fast and they seem to wear down faster than Indy imo
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
Full review soon, just for you. I've only skated them a couple times but I'm gonna hit the slappy curb today if the weather cooperates.
Edit - didn't scroll down to see jsoy chimed in, I'd probably trust his opinion over mine.
From what I've done so far (cruise/commute, and 30 minutes of flat ground) I think that interesting or unique are definitely the right word. I'm used to low trucks that are either mega stable (venture) or snappy and responsive (mini logo) so having loose carvey trucks that close to the ground is a totally new experience for me. Not an unpleasant one though.
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
Just get better insoles. I use Superfeet Run Comfort and a friend uses the Adapt Run and both make the 440 feel so much better.
How long did you break in the 1010 for? I didn't like them at first, but now it's what I skate 80% of the time.
I use the superfeet run comfort as well. Because of your recommendation in another post. They are really good so thanks for that. They work good in my adidas. In the 440 I felt better for a while but after the sole got thinner it became painful again. I'm walking in the 1010s for a week now and after walking in them for around 2 hours or so my feet feel busted. Skated them once so far but had a few problems. They kinda feel wrong shaped for me.
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
I hated the 1010s, but eventually I gave them like three weeks of regular use, until they broke in and it clicked for me. Now I get it. I know a lot of people say the same thing.
I haven’t had some for a minute, but they truly felt like the most high quality option
That's the other thing - by my observation, having skated all the major shoes from major brands, the 1010 is the highest quality shoe on the market (maybe the 808 rivals it, I don't know yet). It's literally just made better than any other skate shoe I've ever had. That doesn't mean it's the objective best shoe or that it's going to work for everyone, but I haven't skated another shoe which is as well-constructed and which lasts as long.
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I'm in a shoe madness situation. I was sure the NB440 is the perfect shoe for me but after 2 pairs in a row my feet felt like toast. Bought a pair of 1010s but honestly they feel awful. Skated an old pair of Maranas today and fuck me these shoes are great. No pain, good feel, fits perfectly, top quality. So should I buy another pair of shoes? Some new Maranas? I got a pair of 440, 1010s, Emerica KSL, Adidas Tyshawn Low, Adidas 3St.004, this old pair of Maranas. I bought all these shoes in hope to find the perfect one for me and in the end it's the shoe I skated almost exclusively 3 years ago.. Fuck me.
I hated the 1010s, but eventually I gave them like three weeks of regular use, until they broke in and it clicked for me. Now I get it. I know a lot of people say the same thing.
I haven’t had some for a minute, but they truly felt like the most high quality option
That's the other thing - by my observation, having skated all the major shoes from major brands, the 1010 is the highest quality shoe on the market (maybe the 808 rivals it, I don't know yet). It's literally just made better than any other skate shoe I've ever had. That doesn't mean it's the objective best shoe or that it's going to work for everyone, but I haven't skated another shoe which is as well-constructed and which lasts as long.
The fit, at first blush, seemed less than ideal, but turned out to be the best. I just needed to get used to the slightly looser heel.
The feel of the materials used, particularly in the beef and broccoli ones, was just difficult to compare to the current skate shoe market. I skate dunks, often, as they fit my foot well, and feel like a known/baseline. But compared to the 1010, dunks are cheap.
I need to make it to a shop to try on the 808s. Haven’t been inside a skateshop for a long minute due to work schedule, and I’m not looking forward to spazzing out, sniffing concave and buying too much stuff.
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
Skated a set for over 6 months. The grind is soft but fast and they seem to wear down faster than Indy imo
What did you switch to? I don’t need my stuff to last forever (I’m old, don’t have that much skate time left)
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
Full review soon, just for you. I've only skated them a couple times but I'm gonna hit the slappy curb today if the weather cooperates.
Edit - didn't scroll down to see jsoy chimed in, I'd probably trust his opinion over mine.
From what I've done so far (cruise/commute, and 30 minutes of flat ground) I think that interesting or unique are definitely the right word. I'm used to low trucks that are either mega stable (venture) or snappy and responsive (mini logo) so having loose carvey trucks that close to the ground is a totally new experience for me. Not an unpleasant one though.
Interesting. Thanks for the response!
My main criteria for trucks is the pop, and these probably are not the best…but…in the definition of madness (besides multiple back to back shitposts), for me, is just wanting something different. Just because.
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Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.
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Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.
Very different feel of BBS wood to Dwindle wood to start with, but then there are also going to be differences in board dimensions, which could be affecting things just as much as the different concaves and feel of the board.
* From one of the most felxible boards, especially if older in the BBS wood, to the stiffest of the major brands in Dwindle, with almost zero give at all.
How do the dimensions compare?
Wheelbase in particular, but also tail length and angle if you put your old deck on top of the new deck?
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Would you guys say that shoulder/hip width is more important than height when it comes to wheelbase?
I’ve found two boards that work for me extremely well, though they’re on complete different spectrums. Crail Couch 9x32x13.875 and the DLX 8.38x32.25x14.5. Both on aces.
I’m only 5”4 and light as hell but have quite a wide stance. I have no idea why these in particular work for me and I’m still trying to work out what to stick with as I’m sick of having two setups.
Cross posting this from another thread that wasn’t really suitable for the question…
I am just genuinely confused how these two completely different boards work well for me.
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Would you guys say that shoulder/hip width is more important than height when it comes to wheelbase?
I’ve found two boards that work for me extremely well, though they’re on complete different spectrums. Crail Couch 9x32x13.875 and the DLX 8.38x32.25x14.5. Both on aces.
I’m only 5”4 and light as hell but have quite a wide stance. I have no idea why these in particular work for me and I’m still trying to work out what to stick with as I’m sick of having two setups.
Cross posting this from another thread that wasn’t really suitable for the question…
I am just genuinely confused how these two completely different boards work well for me.
sounds like you're just not as picky as some people on here (myself included).
I would stick with the 8.38 DLX if I was you, mainly because of availability. You could probably walk into any legit skateshop at any time and find that shape, no prob. I'm also a huge fan of that shape, but im trying to leave my bias out of this.
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I'm kind of anal retentive about my ideal setup in that I want all tricks to work as best as possible. More normal people are fine with a few things being less good and others being better. That's kinda where madness can start. It's likely you just don't have the madness.
I agree that if you want 1 setup go with the one that has the best availability, graphics, and makes you stoked. If my best shape was something I wasn't really into it for whatever reason I'd likely never be truly happy skating it cuz some days I just like doing really simple shit and being happy that I can still skate and that plays a role.
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Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.
Fact: Wider trucks have more "lateral slide" during grinds/stalls.
Subjective Perspective: That "lateral slide" is a good/bad thing.
I have two set-ups:
-DLX 8.25" w/144s
-DLX 8.75" w/159s
Generally, I like the 8.25" better for most grinds* than the 8.75". Why? Because the 8.25" "locks in" quicker, faster, and more concisely than the 8.75". However, if I drop down to an 8.0" with 139s, I find that to be far too "tight rope" getting into grinds, etc. There is a balance between too narrow, and too wide. Where that is, and under what circumstances, is for you to find out. Welcome to The Madness. :)
*The 8.75" is waaaay better for ledge Smith grinds.
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Can anyone psychologically break this down? Because that’s what it is…..
I feel unhappy, I need to change my gear…..takes one to know one….
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Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.
Fact: Wider trucks have more "lateral slide" during grinds/stalls.
Subjective Perspective: That "lateral slide" is a good/bad thing.
I have two set-ups:
-DLX 8.25" w/144s
-DLX 8.75" w/159s
Generally, I like the 8.25" better for most grinds* than the 8.75". Why? Because the 8.25" "locks in" quicker, faster, and more concisely than the 8.75". However, if I drop down to an 8.0" with 139s, I find that to be far too "tight rope" getting into grinds, etc. There is a balance between too narrow, and too wide. Where that is, and under what circumstances, is for you to find out. Welcome to The Madness. :)
*The 8.75" is waaaay better for ledge Smith grinds.
Thats weird/interesting/strangely specific to my experience. I was riding 8.75's for a while with 159 indy titaniums. I did more smiths on those setups than any other. they just worked so nicely.
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Following up on my Blazer problem.
I got paid last week so number 1 was getting some shoes that fit better.
I slinked my way back to the Rowans and they immediately felt better out of the box than ~2weeks of breaking in the GTs. The Vans store had a buy on, get one 50% off, so I ended up with a pair on ice.
Guess I'm gonna keep buying em as long as they make em.
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Can anyone psychologically break this down? Because that’s what it is…..
I feel unhappy, I need to change my gear…..takes one to know one….
Fundamentally we're no different from the guys with 2000 video games and 100 consoles they'll never play.
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I actually think we’re different….I’m not really a collector….some new truck colorway does nothing for me, but I do incessantly look at what my current truck or set up is not doing…..
I switch and miss what my last set up did for me….
I’m also prone to the idea of something which I don’t necessarily have a skill set for or, I ultimately will never use…I’m also subject to the influence of marketing! So I guess you’re partially right. I usually don’t sit on trucks for very long…..not literally….
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Interesting. Thanks for the response!
My main criteria for trucks is the pop, and these probably are not the best…but…in the definition of madness (besides multiple back to back shitposts), for me, is just wanting something different. Just because.
They're definitely something different, but whether that's an improvement or not is obviously gonna be subjective. Pop feels really really good on an 8.25 Raybourn bbs football, but it's also a fairly mellow bbs board (probably a IV in the dlx system).
(https://i.ibb.co/R45qp4v/IMG-20230404-101028-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R45qp4v)
As expected it's very responsive, your tail hits the ground quickly and you can get a surprisingly strong pop without a lot of effort. I'm not sure if it's the deck or trucks but my flip tricks (all 3 of them) were spinning with such a tight spiral you'd think Dan Marino was involved. I landed a double heel flip for the first time in at least 15 years by accident and was even getting seated kickflips at the bus stop to level out and those are always rocket. Landed a clean big spin second try and stuff like front shuvs sucked up to my feet in a way they rarely do. I might have just been having a really good day though, so I'm not going to declare them my new every day truck just yet but they felt great
I didn't make it out to the slappy spot so I still don't really know how they grind but the turn and pop are both living up to the pretty lofty expectations I had for these. One thing to be aware of though is you really need to skate 52s or smaller unless you plan on really cranking them down. I have mine pretty tight and Ill bite on 53mm jivaro conicals if I put my full weight into it. Im probably going to put on some 51mm snots at some point.
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A few dudes that skate the same spots I used to all got Ace lows and rode them decently tight and love them. All ledge skaters that like tech stuff so not tons of turning but their glowing review has tempted me.
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A few dudes that skate the same spots I used to all got Ace lows and rode them decently tight and love them. All ledge skaters that like tech stuff so not tons of turning but their glowing review has tempted me.
Fuck. I’m doomed
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Interesting. Thanks for the response!
My main criteria for trucks is the pop, and these probably are not the best…but…in the definition of madness (besides multiple back to back shitposts), for me, is just wanting something different. Just because.
They're definitely something different, but whether that's an improvement or not is obviously gonna be subjective. Pop feels really really good on an 8.25 Raybourn bbs football, but it's also a fairly mellow bbs board (probably a IV in the dlx system).
(https://i.ibb.co/R45qp4v/IMG-20230404-101028-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R45qp4v)
As expected it's very responsive, your tail hits the ground quickly and you can get a surprisingly strong pop without a lot of effort. I'm not sure if it's the deck or trucks but my flip tricks (all 3 of them) were spinning with such a tight spiral you'd think Dan Marino was involved. I landed a double heel flip for the first time in at least 15 years by accident and was even getting seated kickflips at the bus stop to level out and those are always rocket. Landed a clean big spin second try and stuff like front shuvs sucked up to my feet in a way they rarely do. I might have just been having a really good day though, so I'm not going to declare them my new every day truck just yet but they felt great
I didn't make it out to the slappy spot so I still don't really know how they grind but the turn and pop are both living up to the pretty lofty expectations I had for these. One thing to be aware of though is you really need to skate 52s or smaller unless you plan on really cranking them down. I have mine pretty tight and Ill bite on 53mm jivaro conicals if I put my full weight into it. Im probably going to put on some 51mm snots at some point.
Thank you!!
Been awhile since I’ve had some Jivaro’s. I really could stop only skating f4s.
Anyway, the whole kit looks nice!
I appreciate your review. Unfortunately, I infrequently skate wheels bigger than 53. I think it’s the weight? I dunno. Something. I hate barely moving on crusty roads, but I hate looking at big wheels more. Moronic behavior on my part.
I just ‘need’ to take the plunge and give the lows a shot.
Thanks again
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Can anyone psychologically break this down? Because that’s what it is…..
I feel unhappy, I need to change my gear…..takes one to know one….
Fundamentally we're no different from the guys with 2000 video games and 100 consoles they'll never play.
.....fuck
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Had a meh day at the skatepark and now I'm thinking about going up to 169s.
Having a meh day and wanting to switch it up is my mo
What are you hoping will happen with 169s?
When I’ve setup shit that big, it’s always been…because I saw someone else do it, and/or I just thought it would look cool.
Bigger has never led to more performance, for me
So for the last year and a half I've been on basically the same setup, polar 8.625 on 159s. I set up a madness 8.75 and just didn't have a great session on it. I'm wondering if bigger trucks would make grinds and stalls a little easier. Could be that I just don't like the deck though.
Very different feel of BBS wood to Dwindle wood to start with, but then there are also going to be differences in board dimensions, which could be affecting things just as much as the different concaves and feel of the board.
* From one of the most felxible boards, especially if older in the BBS wood, to the stiffest of the major brands in Dwindle, with almost zero give at all.
How do the dimensions compare?
Wheelbase in particular, but also tail length and angle if you put your old deck on top of the new deck?
I lined them up today and sure enough the madness deck is noticably shorter in the nose and tail. That might explain it. Good looking out.
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(https://i.ibb.co/fMrFfqy/33224-F0-A-3-B26-4800-B3-E7-2915-FE7735-CF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fMrFfqy)
Set this up. I normally ride an 8.5 with 159 Indy Hollows. This is an 8.25 with 148 Thunders. Good Lord, the pop on this was insane. Pairing the 148 with a nearly flat Toy Machine deck had me flying 😖
With is fun, but I had less control. Was toe tapping everywhere.
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(https://i.ibb.co/fMrFfqy/33224-F0-A-3-B26-4800-B3-E7-2915-FE7735-CF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fMrFfqy)
Set this up. I normally ride an 8.5 with 159 Indy Hollows. This is an 8.25 with 148 Thunders. Good Lord, the pop on this was insane. Pairing the 148 with a nearly flat Toy Machine deck had me flying 😖
With is fun, but I had less control. Was toe tapping everywhere.
Sounds very rad
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sounds like you're just not as picky as some people on here (myself included).
I would stick with the 8.38 DLX if I was you, mainly because of availability. You could probably walk into any legit skateshop at any time and find that shape, no prob. I'm also a huge fan of that shape, but im trying to leave my bias out of this.
I'm kind of anal retentive about my ideal setup in that I want all tricks to work as best as possible. More normal people are fine with a few things being less good and others being better. That's kinda where madness can start. It's likely you just don't have the madness.
I agree that if you want 1 setup go with the one that has the best availability, graphics, and makes you stoked. If my best shape was something I wasn't really into it for whatever reason I'd likely never be truly happy skating it cuz some days I just like doing really simple shit and being happy that I can still skate and that plays a role.
I think I needed to hear this, thanks. I get a lot of anxiety about skating some of the 'weirder' shapes due to availability and have never really thought of it this way. I've definitely always been able to find the DLX shape in store nearby, whereas I've had to hunt/stock up on the football shapes.
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Thought I had defeated my madness but I was struggling with pop so I switched from forged 149 indys on ishod tt 8.38 to limosine 8.5 with venture 5.8 casts and I crooked this tall ledge I couldn't previously get onto first try yesterday. IDEK anymore
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
Skated a set for over 6 months. The grind is soft but fast and they seem to wear down faster than Indy imo
What did you switch to? I don’t need my stuff to last forever (I’m old, don’t have that much skate time left)
I went back to Indy then settled on Venture low with medium bones bushings.
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Bought a metal 8.25 Raybourn football and a pair of Ace 44 lows today. It's not a full blown relapse but I'm a little scared...
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRUCKS
I’ve been pretty good about not buying anything, and pretty bad at just shitposting about being ready to buy something.
But I want those trucks
Skated a set for over 6 months. The grind is soft but fast and they seem to wear down faster than Indy imo
What did you switch to? I don’t need my stuff to last forever (I’m old, don’t have that much skate time left)
I went back to Indy then settled on Venture low with medium bones bushings.
Yeah hard to beat the venture lo
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
I've had roughly the same range of decks the last few years and had Indy and Thunder on them mostly with Ventures here and there and Royals for a bit. The issues I had with each truck didn't necessarily go away when I changed decks like with Indy Standards I sometimes get nollie ghost pop regardless of shape. I always prefer them to forged on any deck. If I put Ventures on a really short deck, it's still too short because it's not like my limb lengths change and the deck randomly gets longer and my feet are less on the kicks when I land.
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...If I put Ventures on a really short deck, it's still too short because it's not like my limb lengths change and the deck randomly gets longer and my feet are less on the kicks when I land.
Related is a concept a few friends and I talk about sometimes. We call it "The Footbed Dimension." It's flat distance between kicks. Truck wheelbase will have zero impact on this. Whereas a mix of deck wheelbase, fingers of flat, and angle of kicks all will impact it. A shorter "footbed" may make you feel too cramped/locked-in. A very long one (e.g. imagine a deck with a flat nose/tail) may feel the opposite. I like flatter boards (DLX IV), and I think part of the reason I like them is because since the have mellower kicks, they have the feel of a longer "footbed," and deck is less twitchy as a result (some may love twitchy, I am just not one of them).
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I've got a DLX 8.25 IV right now and it's pretty damn solid I must say. I could easily ride this shape for the long term.
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
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I've got a DLX 8.25 IV right now and it's pretty damn solid I must say. I could easily ride this shape for the long term.
That right there, IMHO, is the best all-around deck ever produced in the history of skateboarding. :)
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
^ I would agree with that.
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
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In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why?
Why? Because the Thunder baseplate thing is real. :)
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In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why?
Why? Because the Thunder baseplate thing is real. :)
Sure. But I chose to switch trucks instead of just leaning into the slide a bit more. Opposite of what my friend did. I basically told myself I can't do it on thunders.
I actually tried that today. Now that I've learned it on ace, I can do it just as well on thunders. And it kinda pisses me off.
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
Makes sense for me mostly. I definitely need harder bushings in Indy and despite people saying they find Thunder twitchy and get lots of wheelbite it is the complete opposite for me.
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
Yah a dude I know switched from 8.5x14.25 on Indy 169s to 8.25x14.38 on Thunder 148 hollow lights after a week of shitty flatground the switch became irrelevant.
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
Yah a dude I know switched from 8.5x14.25 on Indy 169s to 8.25x14.38 on Thunder 148 hollow lights after a week of shitty flatground the switch became irrelevant.
Yeah but….
Kickflip back smith.
This person is good.
I’m not.
I NEED the different trucks/all the help I can get.
But yeah, I agree it’s not the plow, it’s the farmer.
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
Yah a dude I know switched from 8.5x14.25 on Indy 169s to 8.25x14.38 on Thunder 148 hollow lights after a week of shitty flatground the switch became irrelevant.
Yeah but….
Kickflip back smith.
This person is good.
I’m not.
I NEED the different trucks/all the help I can get.
But yeah, I agree it’s not the plow, it’s the farmer.
Exactly - I struggle to do both tricks individually, your homie is cut from a different sheet of griptape.
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
It's the same for me, I would love to get out of this madness.. I've been on Venture for a year, but I skated these trucks for a long time during my first ten years of skating (15 years of skating for me)
From the tenth year to the fifteenth, I alternated a lot of trucks, I fell into this madness, because I wanted to see if I skated better with this or that brand.. the influence of pro skaters too, I see such a skate this, I want to try..
Anyway, last year I was skating with Venture 5.2 high, on an 8, and I felt like home..
However, last week I bought thunder 148s, because I want to go wider.. I was skating 8.125 with the ventures, and I wanted to try with the thunders.. To also be lower and have more reactivity, and also find my flip (I lost my flip since I have high trucks, I noticed it while watching my old videos! I am small with small legs.. the trucks medium or lows are probably an advantage..).. The first three sessions with the thunders were relatively good.. Different feel, but still good trucks.. Maybe a switch to 8.25, for more room and safety, and even if I do a lot of flat, it doesn't change much .. I let my desires guide me now haha
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Maybe I'm becoming slightly more sane, but I am starting to think that unless you go really extreme in deck dimensions, trucks are mostly going to be the same for you across a general range of decks. If you like how they feel on 14.25, they shouldn't feel insane on 14.3. Of course if you have 14.6 with Ventures and throw Aces on you're dealing with polar opposites and ya they'll be different.
My general opinion on this is that there are two main categories of trucks: Indy/Ace style trucks, and Venture/Thunder style trucks. My experience is that it's relatively easy to switch between the related brands of trucks, but it's when you change styles that most skaters will need some time to adjust, or maybe find that they simply do not like that style.
I agree, thinking about my personal skating experience, but I gotta just share this.
A friend of mine is completely, intentionally oblivious about skate gear. He doesn't care and doesn't want to care. He just wants to skate. He's basically in the post-madness-enlightenment without ever going through the madness.
This week, after skating standard indies for 3 years, he switched to thunder hollow lights because his trucks broke. That's such a gigantic fucking step in height, wheelbase and especially weight I couldn't wait to see how it goes and possibly fucks him up for a bit.
He kinda struggled finding his pop at first, then he took a few minutes to get that he needs to lean more into slides. All in all it took him about 20-30 minutes to fully adjust like nothing changed on all terrain. He even landed his first kickflip bs smith that day.
It makes me almost sick to think about how much we can self-sabotage with all this bullshit. I wish all of you, and me, to break free of this and reach enlightenment.
In other news that give the complete opposite message: I just switched from thunder to ace a few days ago in order to really get holding long fs noseslides down. And it worked perfectly. Why? Probably because I told myself I can do it better on ace, so I did. I'm sure it could have worked just as fine on thunders, but I didn't allow it for myself I guess.
Yah a dude I know switched from 8.5x14.25 on Indy 169s to 8.25x14.38 on Thunder 148 hollow lights after a week of shitty flatground the switch became irrelevant.
Yeah but….
Kickflip back smith.
This person is good.
I’m not.
I NEED the different trucks/all the help I can get.
But yeah, I agree it’s not the plow, it’s the farmer.
Exactly - I struggle to do both tricks individually, your homie is cut from a different sheet of griptape.
Ya he switched cuz his lifetime goal is kickflip back tail kickflip out and he felt he needed a more nimble setup to do that I dunno if he has actually done or tried since.
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I generally skate better/feet hurt less, in dunks.
They look kinda fucked tho.
For context, I’m really old, and I wear straight fit pants (501s, etc). Shit just looks too…try-hard dad, hip-dad, yo your dad is a creep, etc.
I like the way half cabs, and some other classic vans styles look, as well as cons, etc. you know, classic looking shoes. But they hurt.
I don’t think there is a solution. I am just complaining.
***good thing I have like 3 pairs of dunks. To look stupid in.
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Fastbreaks? You can get dunks in classic colors no?
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Fastbreaks? You can get dunks in classic colors no?
Fastbreaks or pro leathers would look better.
Good call.
I think you can get dunks in regular colors, when I bought these 3 pairs it was when I couldn’t get dunks very easily and just grabbed whatever they’d sell me in my size.
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Fastbreaks? You can get dunks in classic colors no?
Fastbreaks or pro leathers would look better.
Good call.
I think you can get dunks in regular colors, when I bought these 3 pairs it was when I couldn’t get dunks very easily and just grabbed whatever they’d sell me in my size.
Fastbreaks have a worse insole and that stupid nylon material on most models. I wish so badly that converse would fix this shoe, i would probably skate it exclusively if they did.
Those new ones with the boot laces that came out look ok, but its not the time of year for an all black shoe.
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I generally skate better/feet hurt less, in dunks.
They look kinda fucked tho.
For context, I’m really old, and I wear straight fit pants (501s, etc). Shit just looks too…try-hard dad, hip-dad, yo your dad is a creep, etc.
I like the way half cabs, and some other classic vans styles look, as well as cons, etc. you know, classic looking shoes. But they hurt.
I don’t think there is a solution. I am just complaining.
***good thing I have like 3 pairs of dunks. To look stupid in.
Tiagos might be up your alley if the extra bulk isn't a deterrent.
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I get it too….you think: ‘oh…I’ll just skate through them…who cares? And then you realize it’ll take you a year……
Bought two pairs of maroon Tyshawns….didn’t need the second pair…..
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I haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.
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I haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.
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I haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.
I've been dealing with a pulled groin muscle (forward leg) for a bit. Flat ground Ollies exacerbated the problem. So, I've been riding my 8.75"/159s a lot the last two weeks (easier to remind myself not to ollie on a bigger deck). Been doing lots of slappies and mini ramp skating on it. A few days ago I was feeling normal enough to go back to my 8.25/144s. However, there was now a problem. I had skated the 8.75" so much, that the 8.25" now seemed impossibly small to me...like a fucking 1980s freestyle board. I was like, "WTF!?! Am I actually going to be able to skate this thing again, ever?!?" I started to feel more comfortable on it after a bit, but decided to throw 149s on, to make it feel/ride a tad more stable/wider. It worked. Sort of. For somethings. A few other things on it I did not like. And then, well, you know what happens at that stage...The Madness creeps back in to the world of Men...
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I haven't been feeling as comfy on my board this year, which has been my goldilocks for a while since coming back from fracturing my ankle last October. G052 8.25, 5.6 v-lights, 52mm F4 classics.
had a 'fuck it and find out' moment after seeing a sale online and bought myself some 144 Knox forged hollow's.
stuck them on a primitive 8.38 and went to the park last night to see what's what.
after skating ventures for the last 20 years or so, i was scared of the change but tbh im 70/30 convinced i should of done this sooner, they feel good, grind good, flip tricks work, and they are very responsive.
the skate from the car to the park was fun tho, i was speed wobbling one footed mid push until i cranked them down a bit. never experienced that before.haha
ill report back after a few more skates with a definitive answer as to whether they have cured this bout of madness.
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I haven't been feeling as comfy on my board this year, which has been my goldilocks for a while since coming back from fracturing my ankle last October. G052 8.25, 5.6 v-lights, 52mm F4 classics.
had a 'fuck it and find out' moment after seeing a sale online and bought myself some 144 Knox forged hollow's.
stuck them on a primitive 8.38 and went to the park last night to see what's what.
after skating ventures for the last 20 years or so, i was scared of the change but tbh im 70/30 convinced i should of done this sooner, they feel good, grind good, flip tricks work, and they are very responsive.
the skate from the car to the park was fun tho, i was speed wobbling one footed mid push until i cranked them down a bit. never experienced that before.haha
ill report back after a few more skates with a definitive answer as to whether they have cured this bout of madness.
grats, hope your new setup works for a while.
i much prefer indy's to ventures. i probably pop tricks a bit higher on ventures, but indy's are just more fun for me overall. and the grind is SOOOOO much better on indys
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I haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.
I've been dealing with a pulled groin muscle (forward leg) for a bit. Flat ground Ollies exacerbated the problem. So, I've been riding my 8.75"/159s a lot the last two weeks (easier to remind myself not to ollie on a bigger deck). Been doing lots of slappies and mini ramp skating on it. A few days ago I was feeling normal enough to go back to my 8.25/144s. However, there was now a problem. I had skated the 8.75" so much, that the 8.25" now seemed impossibly small to me...like a fucking 1980s freestyle board. I was like, "WTF!?! Am I actually going to be able to skate this thing again, ever?!?" I started to feel more comfortable on it after a bit, but decided to throw 149s on, to make it feel/ride a tad more stable/wider. It worked. Sort of. For somethings. A few other things on it I did not like. And then, well, you know what happens at that stage...The Madness creeps back in to the world of Men...
I find myself in this situation often 148/149 on 8.25 waivering back and forth, pros and cons. What didn’t you like about the 149/8.25 combo?
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Pogos might help alleviate the madness but likely not your groin….
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I haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.
I've been dealing with a pulled groin muscle (forward leg) for a bit. Flat ground Ollies exacerbated the problem. So, I've been riding my 8.75"/159s a lot the last two weeks (easier to remind myself not to ollie on a bigger deck). Been doing lots of slappies and mini ramp skating on it. A few days ago I was feeling normal enough to go back to my 8.25/144s. However, there was now a problem. I had skated the 8.75" so much, that the 8.25" now seemed impossibly small to me...like a fucking 1980s freestyle board. I was like, "WTF!?! Am I actually going to be able to skate this thing again, ever?!?" I started to feel more comfortable on it after a bit, but decided to throw 149s on, to make it feel/ride a tad more stable/wider. It worked. Sort of. For somethings. A few other things on it I did not like. And then, well, you know what happens at that stage...The Madness creeps back in to the world of Men...
Well what if I told you the DLX 8.25 I'd actually basically 8.38?
I went through 148/149 debate this Fall actually. There were a few things it seemed I liked about the 149 so I stuck with what it seemed I didn't like. I finally bent the axles so I had to go back to 148. Turns out almost all of it was in my head but my Tre flips and any scooping trick feels a little bit faster and even if it's BS I'm running with it.
149 Pros: I thought I had better lock in on grinds, felt more stable for some sketchier landings, and for whatever reason it seemed my nose manual game was on point.
149 Cons: I somehow got more wheelbite, I didn't like them as much for certain slides like back tails cuz they're Thunders and the margin of error for not sliding on the wheels was lower, my 360 flips scooped slower, and I didn't prefer the pinch actually.
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I haven't been feeling as comfy on my board this year, which has been my goldilocks for a while since coming back from fracturing my ankle last October. G052 8.25, 5.6 v-lights, 52mm F4 classics.
had a 'fuck it and find out' moment after seeing a sale online and bought myself some 144 Knox forged hollow's.
stuck them on a primitive 8.38 and went to the park last night to see what's what.
after skating ventures for the last 20 years or so, i was scared of the change but tbh im 70/30 convinced i should of done this sooner, they feel good, grind good, flip tricks work, and they are very responsive.
the skate from the car to the park was fun tho, i was speed wobbling one footed mid push until i cranked them down a bit. never experienced that before.haha
ill report back after a few more skates with a definitive answer as to whether they have cured this bout of madness.
grats, hope your new setup works for a while.
i much prefer indy's to ventures. i probably pop tricks a bit higher on ventures, but indy's are just more fun for me overall. and the grind is SOOOOO much better on indys
thanks, me too.
i found i was popping higher with the indys on and with less effort than i used to with the ventures. i pop further away from the rails/ledges im skating now too, first 10 mins i kept overshooting things, couple scary moments. got the adrenaline going though.
i think i may be converted but i need at least a couple more sessions before ill commit to that statement.
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Well what if I told you the DLX 8.25 I'd actually basically 8.38?
The 8.38 is one of my most hated DLX decks. Won't go near that thing.
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I haven't been feeling as comfy on my board this year, which has been my goldilocks for a while since coming back from fracturing my ankle last October. G052 8.25, 5.6 v-lights, 52mm F4 classics.
had a 'fuck it and find out' moment after seeing a sale online and bought myself some 144 Knox forged hollow's.
stuck them on a primitive 8.38 and went to the park last night to see what's what.
after skating ventures for the last 20 years or so, i was scared of the change but tbh im 70/30 convinced i should of done this sooner, they feel good, grind good, flip tricks work, and they are very responsive.
the skate from the car to the park was fun tho, i was speed wobbling one footed mid push until i cranked them down a bit. never experienced that before.haha
ill report back after a few more skates with a definitive answer as to whether they have cured this bout of madness.
grats, hope your new setup works for a while.
i much prefer indy's to ventures. i probably pop tricks a bit higher on ventures, but indy's are just more fun for me overall. and the grind is SOOOOO much better on indys
thanks, me too.
i found i was popping higher with the indys on and with less effort than i used to with the ventures. i pop further away from the rails/ledges im skating now too, first 10 mins i kept overshooting things, couple scary moments. got the adrenaline going though.
i think i may be converted but i need at least a couple more sessions before ill commit to that statement.
Indy's have a lighter pop feel for sure. whats probably happening is you're still popping with the same effort the ventures required since thats what your body is used to.
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Well what if I told you the DLX 8.25 I'd actually basically 8.38?
The 8.38 is one of my most hated DLX decks. Won't go near that thing.
i love that shape haha. different strokes
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I haven't really dipped into the Madness in awhile. This week it came back. Current perseveration: 144 vs 149s on my 8.25" DLX (144s have been my go-to since they came out...until now). Nothing has been resolved. How much sleep can I loose over .25"? An astonishing amount, it would seem.
Yeah, for sure!
I go by this, but of course everyone can choose their own path:
Popsicle / normal boards
8.0 = 139s
8.125 / 8.25 = 144s
8.38 / 8.5 = 149s
8.62 / 8.75 = 159s
8.88 / 9.0 = 169s
Shaped cruisers
8.75 blue meanie = 149s with big wheels
9.12 Huffer = 159s with wide wheels
9+ = 169s with big / wide wheels
The madness keeps me happy, but also makes me keep at least one of each of those set up at all times now, mainly for anyone else to try if they are interested, but that is my excuse for having them.
I've been dealing with a pulled groin muscle (forward leg) for a bit. Flat ground Ollies exacerbated the problem. So, I've been riding my 8.75"/159s a lot the last two weeks (easier to remind myself not to ollie on a bigger deck). Been doing lots of slappies and mini ramp skating on it. A few days ago I was feeling normal enough to go back to my 8.25/144s. However, there was now a problem. I had skated the 8.75" so much, that the 8.25" now seemed impossibly small to me...like a fucking 1980s freestyle board. I was like, "WTF!?! Am I actually going to be able to skate this thing again, ever?!?" I started to feel more comfortable on it after a bit, but decided to throw 149s on, to make it feel/ride a tad more stable/wider. It worked. Sort of. For somethings. A few other things on it I did not like. And then, well, you know what happens at that stage...The Madness creeps back in to the world of Men...
I find myself in this situation often 148/149 on 8.25 waivering back and forth, pros and cons. What didn’t you like about the 149/8.25 combo?
149s: I like my trucks to be same width as my board. So, right out of the gate, I have some issues with 149s on an existential level. I like the way 149s turn, feels a bit more surfy to me than 144s. Smith grinds (esp on single sided ledges) feel better/seem easier (LOVE smith grinds on the 8.75/159s). Overall, board feels a tad more stable. Feels like I don't have to be as exact/precise with any grind/stall trick. Conversely, I do notice a little more lateral slop during grinds (seem to notice it more on transition, and narrower bars/rails). Flip tricks seem a bit more clunky.
144s: Basically just the opposite of everything above.
Could I skate 149s? Absolutely. Could I skate 144s? I have for years. The question is just figuring out what I like better. Neither one is really going to make me skate better/worse.
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Thanks for the response @Sedition this is the exact madness that brought me to “shoes and gear” to begin with. I’m actually wanting to put 149s on my 8.125 right now :D
I hadn’t thought about my trucks at all for awhile and since I put a 56mm conical on there I started to want a wider truck again. Technically my trucks are wider because 148 is 8.25, and so the spiral begins.
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Thanks for the response @Sedition this is the exact madness that brought me to “shoes and gear” to begin with. I’m actually wanting to put 149s on my 8.125 right now :D
I hadn’t thought about my trucks at all for awhile and since I put a 56mm conical on there I started to want a wider truck again. Technically my trucks are wider because 148 is 8.25, and so the spiral begins.
Godspeed. I wish you out of the spiral ASAP.
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Well what if I told you the DLX 8.25 I'd actually basically 8.38?
The 8.38 is one of my most hated DLX decks. Won't go near that thing.
What I meant more is the width of the DLX is actually 8.3 and basically identical to the BBS generic 8.38 but the nose is 1/8" longer and tail 1/16" or so shorter
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Fastbreaks? You can get dunks in classic colors no?
Fastbreaks or pro leathers would look better.
Good call.
I think you can get dunks in regular colors, when I bought these 3 pairs it was when I couldn’t get dunks very easily and just grabbed whatever they’d sell me in my size.
Fastbreaks have a worse insole and that stupid nylon material on most models. I wish so badly that converse would fix this shoe, i would probably skate it exclusively if they did.
Those new ones with the boot laces that came out look ok, but its not the time of year for an all black shoe.
Those black ones with the boot laces did look sick.
@camel filters i do love the Tiago’s. Same general issue: larger cupsole shoe (feels great), looks a little off with straight fit trousers.
Thanks ya’ll, I’m just being a nimrod. It’s pretty ‘funny’ how I can get bummed out about this small thing, and uh…maybe I could put some time into switch crooks or something instead
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
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Thunders?
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
What are you skating? Flat ground, street, parks, ramps?
The combination of trucks and how steep a board is can definitely have an effect, as per some of the more interesting videos from people on youtube and the like.
Steeper kicks and longer wheelbase trucks can mean you will get more height from your ollie, but you have to put more effort into getting it there, which could make your legs more tired.
More mellow boards with trucks that extend the wheelbase the least are way easier to pop but you are going to get less height, but might be easier to skate for longer or put less stress on your legs.
In order of shortest to longest wheelbase from the big brands, Ace, Indy, Thunder, Venture, but then it really comes down to the board as well, how many fingers of flat - distance between bolts and start of kicks - so no fingers of flat and steeper, boards are going to be very heavy feeling to pop, but then too many fingers of flat or very mellow and boards are going to be very light to pop.
Combinations of these will very much make a board heavier or lighter to pop, eg putting Ventures on a very mellow board with a short wheelbase and a lot of flat before the kicks will still make it very light to pop.
Last but not least, the legs themselves - warmups or fitness levels, tightness of trucks, strength of ankles, calves, etc all play a big part in it too.
Gear madness at its finest...
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
As posed, the question is nearly impossible to answer, because it presupposes that trucks are the •only• variable; they are not.
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
Ace low or mini logo, but depending on the deck it might be too little stress
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
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i know it's crazy because well....it all matters....we have pages of drivel to support this....
but I kinda think your truck choice will not change whether or not your legs feel tired.....
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i know it's crazy because well....it all matters....we have pages of drivel to support this....
but I kinda think your truck choice will not change whether or not your legs feel tired.....
Same, within reason. Obviously if you go from high trucks with risers to low ones your legs will be less tired. But I think it’s more important to learn your limits. If a session goes over an hour then I’ll be paying for my sins for a couple days 😅
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
You’re chasing phantoms. Sorry to sound so glib, but if you’re worried about leg stress, go to the gym.
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
You’re chasing phantoms. Sorry to sounds so glib, but if you’re worried about leg stress, go to the gym.
This is a solid answer.
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What are you skating? Flat ground, street, parks, ramps?
The combination of trucks and how steep a board is can definitely have an effect, as per some of the more interesting videos from people on youtube and the like.
Steeper kicks and longer wheelbase trucks can mean you will get more height from your ollie, but you have to put more effort into getting it there, which could make your legs more tired.
More mellow boards with trucks that extend the wheelbase the least are way easier to pop but you are going to get less height, but might be easier to skate for longer or put less stress on your legs.
In order of shortest to longest wheelbase from the big brands, Ace, Indy, Thunder, Venture, but then it really comes down to the board as well, how many fingers of flat - distance between bolts and start of kicks - so no fingers of flat and steeper, boards are going to be very heavy feeling to pop, but then too many fingers of flat or very mellow and boards are going to be very light to pop.
Combinations of these will very much make a board heavier or lighter to pop, eg putting Ventures on a very mellow board with a short wheelbase and a lot of flat before the kicks will still make it very light to pop.
Last but not least, the legs themselves - warmups or fitness levels, tightness of trucks, strength of ankles, calves, etc all play a big part in it too.
Gear madness at its finest...
This is great, thank you! I would like to ask you something and I hope to explain well in English. I have an 8.5” Hockey deck with 14.25” wheelbase. My plan is using some 58mm spitfires. For flat ground and street, what are the best trucks for a snappy pop? I followed the recommendations some users gave me about watching YouTubers that explain this but their set ups were not the same than mine so I still don’t know. Maybe Indy 149 hollows are good? Thank you!
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Which trucks if any do you think would put less stress on your legs? Maybe make your legs less tired?
Some good insoles are probably goingvto help more. And switch to cupsoles if you are still skating vulcs.
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ye I have skate madness lol I bought a complete enjoi then I got 2 slick decks girl and Santa Cruz then bought another complete a cliche one then I bought a heart supply impact light deck got 2 as they were like 34.99 half price I got venture low and sushi trucks also have mag light trucks to and then wheels have nomads the dragons and formula 4 classic and I just bought another deck wknd with independent trucks and formula 4 classics so I have like 8 decks or whatever it is now red board is my first ever one it's like 16 years old made by renner it did have warning this is not a toy but one rippin board but I painted it red lol
(https://i.ibb.co/yXgD6Zq/PXL-20230416-160400554-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yXgD6Zq)
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ye I have skate madness lol I bought a complete enjoi then I got 2 slick decks girl and Santa Cruz then bought another complete a cliche one then I bought a heart supply impact light deck got 2 as they were like 34.99 half price I got venture low and sushi trucks also have mag light trucks to and then wheels have nomads the dragons and formula 4 classic and I just bought another deck wknd with independent trucks and formula 4 classics so I have like 8 decks or whatever it is now red board is my first ever one it's like 16 years old made by renner it did have warning this is not a toy but one rippin board but I painted it red lol
(https://i.ibb.co/yXgD6Zq/PXL-20230416-160400554-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yXgD6Zq)
Pick one and be done with it. I have four setups, but decided to stick to one 95% of the time. Same with my shoes. Now when something goes wrong I know it’s me, not my gear cause it rarely changes
I only skate 2-3 hours a week, so it makes no sense for me to keep swapping out gear. Progression is all that matters now. At the end of the day, these are all professional quality products and anything can be done on them. Your skill is what matters the most ☺️
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This is great, thank you! I would like to ask you something and I hope to explain well in English. I have an 8.5” Hockey deck with 14.25” wheelbase. My plan is using some 58mm spitfires. For flat ground and street, what are the best trucks for a snappy pop? I followed the recommendations some users gave me about watching YouTubers that explain this but their set ups were not the same than mine so I still don’t know. Maybe Indy 149 hollows are good? Thank you!
Yeah you could start with any 149 Independent trucks and go from there.
Standard / cast baseplates are taller at 55mm, forged baseplates are 53.5mm so on 58mm wheels, unless you like tighter trucks, I would be going with the standard / cast options with those wheels as per some of my own setups, but as each person is different, you might find it works well enough not to worry. If you want lighter, sure hollow is going to be better and you can always put a thin riser under the forged baseplates if you do need a bit more height.
That is a start anyway.
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I'm not trying to troll anyone, but my legs are tired just thinking about that set up......
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I'm not trying to troll anyone, but my legs are tired just thinking about that set up......
Ha yeah, for sure. Those FA / Hockey boards sure are steep.
Too steep for my liking, but I know some younger dudes love the steep kicks and get a lot of height over things or up onto things with their bigger wheels on pretty much that sort of setup.
I will take a more mellow deck on smaller wheels any day now for street or flat, only going for bigger wheels and a touch more concave for transition skating, but even then, not as steep as FA / Hockey.
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I just got back into skating at 32 after a 20-year hiatus. I set up two completes; a mini logo with Indy 144s and a globe resin 7 with thunder 148s. The globe deck is very steep and takes a lot of effort to pop. I think the flatter mini logo is better for me and will allow me to skate longer while getting less tired.
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I've quelled my madness by skating [a lot] more, close to daily, granted it took skating more with different gear to whittle it down to one key factor:
My confidence level when skating and not necessarily trick success (but obviously this is also key but stems from feeling comfortable on board, for me).
It's taken a few months but I'm in a spot where I am no longer thinking about shape/width/WB, kicks, weight, grind and turn...it's incredibly freeing mentally. There's hope my dudes!
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That's what happens to me every late Spring/Summer. It's nice and I don't wanna learn or adapt to new gear so I keep the same setup and just skate more. By Fall I feel great, then Winter weather hits and I get bored and curious....
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That's what happens to me every late Spring/Summer. It's nice and I don't wanna learn or adapt to new gear so I keep the same setup and just skate more. By Fall I feel great, then Winter weather hits and I get bored and curious....
Totally. My madness hits in winter, when I’m injured, or when I feel like my life is spiraling out of control 😅
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That's what happens to me every late Spring/Summer. It's nice and I don't wanna learn or adapt to new gear so I keep the same setup and just skate more. By Fall I feel great, then Winter weather hits and I get bored and curious....
Exactly this.
In the fall I was skating great on an 8.25 Palace with 139 Forged Hollows. Fast forward to today and I've just set up an 8.125 Quasi I'd given up on with 144 Forged Hollow Mids and 1/16" risers.
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1/16" risers are 100% a madness part
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1/16" risers are 100% a madness part
They're what made ace af1 lows perfect for me. (Coming from forged thunders)
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They're what made ace af1 lows perfect for me. (Coming from forged thunders)
+1 Ace 1/16 risers on the af1 lows; really turned them around (plus the hard bushings)
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1/16" risers are 100% a madness part
They're what made ace af1 lows perfect for me. (Coming from forged thunders)
+1 Ace 1/16 risers on the af1 lows; really turned them around (plus the hard bushings)
I’m taking notes
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i know it's crazy because well....it all matters....we have pages of drivel to support this....
but I kinda think your truck choice will not change whether or not your legs feel tired.....
and also our ageing body..
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Damn, wouldn't have guessed 1.58mm would be that huge of a difference, but it makes sense if you're really sensitive to the height or getting bad wheelbite.
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Damn, wouldn't have guessed 1.58mm would be that huge of a difference, but it makes sense if you're really sensitive to the height or getting bad wheelbite.
Definitely. 1.5mm risers are equivalent to changing your wheel size by 3mm when it comes to wheelbite and height.
I noticed the biggest difference when I tried Thunder 147s. Going from Indys to a truck that low made the wheelbite pretty bad for me, even on 52mm wheels. Those little risers made me consider sticking with them for longer.
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I noticed PJ rides risers with Venture Low I wonder if they're also smaller ones for this reason.
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I noticed PJ rides risers with Venture Low I wonder if they're also smaller ones for this reason.
Now I’m super curious!
Where did you see this? Forged baseplates or cast?
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I noticed PJ rides risers with Venture Low I wonder if they're also smaller ones for this reason.
Now I’m super curious!
Where did you see this? Forged baseplates or cast?
I'm not a venture expert, but i dont think they make forged lows.
could be wrong.
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They definitely make forged lows.
I saw it just pressing pause on one of his IG reels you can see the black risers.
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They definitely make forged lows.
I saw it just pressing pause on one of his IG reels you can see the black risers.
ah yea, they do, check the polished
https://venturetrucks.net/
dont think ive ever seen them in person though.
Venture lows are a pretty rare sighting for me in general.
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They definitely make forged lows.
I saw it just pressing pause on one of his IG reels you can see the black risers.
I’ll check, thanks.
I also do this, the hit pause, or take screen shots and then try and zoom. Totally not kooky or weird or obsessed.
I think Spencer Hamilton had a setup clip many years back with lo’s on risers.
Makes sense, 50mm truck height is sick. It’s why I liked the previous royals, quick easy pop.
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They definitely make forged lows.
I saw it just pressing pause on one of his IG reels you can see the black risers.
ah yea, they do, check the polished
https://venturetrucks.net/
dont think ive ever seen them in person though.
Venture lows are a pretty rare sighting for me in general.
Ya dude they are lowwwww. Almost 1cm lower than Indy standard. Nick Matthews runs em.
There's a local at my park that does as well. Rock hard with Bones highs. Dude manages to nollie flip crooks nollie fs flip out on the entire knee height ledge and skates the bowl on em so I guess turning is overrated?
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Isn’t Prod’s truck : 5.2 hollow low/forged…his 5.6 is high..
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1/16" risers are 100% a madness part
They're what made ace af1 lows perfect for me. (Coming from forged thunders)
+1 Ace 1/16 risers on the af1 lows; really turned them around (plus the hard bushings)
I’m taking notes
Fixed wheelbite for 52mm wheels, 49mm trucks are looooow especially if you ride loose. I had to use the above and 50mm wheels being 190lbs
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Nothing like an injury to keep gear madness in check. i'm likely out for at least a couple of months. gave a bunch of stuff to my nephew but still feels weird to have a pile of currently useless skate product. will set up a freshie to motivate me to get back on board while re-habbing. might actually sell some other shit...
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really want thunders but i know I can get more life out of my Indy's. its the only truck i dont have. but then i feel like as soon as i acquire the Thunders, I will need to get Slappys... gonna try and keep a policy of not getting something new until the old one is cooked.
Have to take comfort knowing those trucks (at least the thunders) arent going anywhere, they are gonna keep makin em lol...
I cant even remember know why I got half cabs but I might just start skating them from now on if I like them better than the Foy NB# 306. I am super stoked on them though but I am keeping them as chillers til I blow out the Foy's I just started working on.
The other shoe I want to try is Chuck 70s because both of those shoes will always be around... where the Foy might be gone in a couple years (seems like its selling pretty good and will probably stick around for a long time)
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After fucking with the tightness/bushings on my indys, trying to find that sweet spot of surf/stability, I have put aces back on my regular setup (with a 1/16th riser to make them the same height as the indys i was skating). Hard ace bushings too.
This time i cranked them tighter than i had previously done in an effort to make them more stable while still retaining some surf.
initial roll around the street felt good (but it pretty much always does)
First sesh at the park this afternoon.
God help me.
I know i skate my best on slightly tighter trucks, but i loosened them recently and it was just so much fun. I want the best of both worlds dammit.
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Nothing like an injury to keep gear madness in check. i'm likely out for at least a couple of months. gave a bunch of stuff to my nephew but still feels weird to have a pile of currently useless skate product. will set up a freshie to motivate me to get back on board while re-habbing. might actually sell some other shit...
Opposite of me. If I’m injured or can’t make the time to skate, madness goes ham.
The more I skate, kinda doesn’t matter what I’m on
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Im having crazy shoe madness right now and I need help. Im 30, and I've skated non skate slip ons most of my life. Ive been trying various skate shoes and hating them all. I like a lot of board feel but still want to feel protected and also have a somewhat pointy toe. any suggestions?
for reference: I skated the cons slip ons and hated them, the vans skate slips are really wonky and stretch out really bad, BUT, oddly enough I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
any advice helps
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Im having crazy shoe madness right now and I need help. Im 30, and I've skated non skate slip ons most of my life. Ive been trying various skate shoes and hating them all. I like a lot of board feel but still want to feel protected and also have a somewhat pointy toe. any suggestions?
for reference: I skated the cons slip ons and hated them, the vans skate slips are really wonky and stretch out really bad, BUT, oddly enough I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
any advice helps
Last resorts
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Nothing like an injury to keep gear madness in check. i'm likely out for at least a couple of months. gave a bunch of stuff to my nephew but still feels weird to have a pile of currently useless skate product. will set up a freshie to motivate me to get back on board while re-habbing. might actually sell some other shit...
Opposite of me. If I’m injured or can’t make the time to skate, madness goes ham.
The more I skate, kinda doesn’t matter what I’m on
Same for me. Most of my excess gear is from around when I broke my leg and then from later on when I was a bit too busy with life and didn’t skate enough.
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Im 30,
I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
As a fellow 30s guy, these parts gave me a light chuckle and sense of bewilderment.
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Im 30,
I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
As a fellow 30s guy, these parts gave me a light chuckle and sense of bewilderment.
Im sure I sound insane
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Excuse me in advance for this madness novel, but I know that some will help me a lot.. :'(
I upgraded to an 8.125 and Thunder 148s raws recently after skating 8.00 for long time, and Venture High 5.25 raws. I wanted to try wider, board and medium/lower trucks, for more stability and less sketchy landing.
To tell the truth, I thought that the thunder 148 were an advantage for me, they are lower, neither too heavy nor too light. I like them a lot yes. However, I skate them on a Baker 8.125 with a Wheelbase of 14.25. I still sometimes have trouble mastering certain tricks and my 360 flips don't come as easily as before.. For the little that my legs are tired, the end of the session is very difficult and I didn't expect it's heavier than it looks
I'm really trying to find the solution for me, I'm in my early thirties, I've been skating for 15 years, and sometimes some tricks get difficult.. I'm a 8 foot size, and I'm 5.7, with small legs.
That's why I'm hesitating between two solutions that may be beneficial to me.. stay on 148 with an 8.125/8.25 with a 14 WB ! I tell myself that the wheelbase may be the miracle solution, no matter our build, I wonder if when we are small, a small board in length and in wheelbase is really better, and that it is not the width of the board that impacts the way of skating.
Or, as i skated 10 years ago, go back to an 8.00, WB 14 with Ventures lows.. but this still makes me buy trucks and a board at the same time.. my wallet may not agree haha But at that time, I was putting kickflips everywhere, and it's been 8 years since I've been able to do any more if it's only about ten a year.. my nightmare tricks that I lost in my legs .. but i was skating ventures lows too when i put them on, but, i can do switch flip with my actual setup.. so .. it makes me really hesitate and i wonder if lower trucks are better with age, and on the other hand i think to myself that it is only a question of millimeters with the thunder ..Small anecdote too, when I put kickflip, I was often in 7.75/7.8, somestimes 8.. So I think the wheelbase of the boards were very short (year 2009/2010) But again, I don't think the width changes anything..
Sorry again for this madness, but i know I'm not the only one in this case (well.. with my kickflip, I think so :D)
Thank you in advance friends skaters ! :-*
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i personally find the width of the board doesnt matter nearly as much as the length for doing flip tricks. Doing a kickflip feels like I am doing the splits, and 360 flips feel harder to rotate to me.
I would definintely start with the shorter board and see if you can make the adjustment and finish out the trucks. Primitive makes 8.25" x 14" wb. If possible try to see if you can thrash this setup before deciding if you really want to go back to 8" again or not. try to skate some other peoples setups before you buy more stuff too.
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Excuse me in advance for this madness novel, but I know that some will help me a lot.. :'(
I upgraded to an 8.125 and Thunder 148s raws recently after skating 8.00 for long time, and Venture High 5.25 raws. I wanted to try wider, board and medium/lower trucks, for more stability and less sketchy landing.
To tell the truth, I thought that the thunder 148 were an advantage for me, they are lower, neither too heavy nor too light. I like them a lot yes. However, I skate them on a Baker 8.125 with a Wheelbase of 14.25. I still sometimes have trouble mastering certain tricks and my 360 flips don't come as easily as before.. For the little that my legs are tired, the end of the session is very difficult and I didn't expect it's heavier than it looks
I'm really trying to find the solution for me, I'm in my early thirties, I've been skating for 15 years, and sometimes some tricks get difficult.. I'm a 8 foot size, and I'm 5.7, with small legs.
That's why I'm hesitating between two solutions that may be beneficial to me.. stay on 148 with an 8.125/8.25 with a 14 WB ! I tell myself that the wheelbase may be the miracle solution, no matter our build, I wonder if when we are small, a small board in length and in wheelbase is really better, and that it is not the width of the board that impacts the way of skating.
Or, as i skated 10 years ago, go back to an 8.00, WB 14 with Ventures lows.. but this still makes me buy trucks and a board at the same time.. my wallet may not agree haha But at that time, I was putting kickflips everywhere, and it's been 8 years since I've been able to do any more if it's only about ten a year.. my nightmare tricks that I lost in my legs .. but i was skating ventures lows too when i put them on, but, i can do switch flip with my actual setup.. so .. it makes me really hesitate and i wonder if lower trucks are better with age, and on the other hand i think to myself that it is only a question of millimeters with the thunder ..Small anecdote too, when I put kickflip, I was often in 7.75/7.8, somestimes 8.. So I think the wheelbase of the boards were very short (year 2009/2010) But again, I don't think the width changes anything..
Sorry again for this madness, but i know I'm not the only one in this case (well.. with my kickflip, I think so :D)
Thank you in advance friends skaters ! :-*
Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but if you havent already, you might wanna consider tightening your thunders a little bit and seeing how they feel.
Thunders turn more/morequickly than ventures, you might be having trouble for that reason.
I cant tell you how many times i was starting to go down he madness hole and just needed to adjust my trucks.
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Excuse me in advance for this madness novel, but I know that some will help me a lot.. :'(
I upgraded to an 8.125 and Thunder 148s raws recently after skating 8.00 for long time, and Venture High 5.25 raws. I wanted to try wider, board and medium/lower trucks, for more stability and less sketchy landing.
To tell the truth, I thought that the thunder 148 were an advantage for me, they are lower, neither too heavy nor too light. I like them a lot yes. However, I skate them on a Baker 8.125 with a Wheelbase of 14.25. I still sometimes have trouble mastering certain tricks and my 360 flips don't come as easily as before.. For the little that my legs are tired, the end of the session is very difficult and I didn't expect it's heavier than it looks
I'm really trying to find the solution for me, I'm in my early thirties, I've been skating for 15 years, and sometimes some tricks get difficult.. I'm a 8 foot size, and I'm 5.7, with small legs.
That's why I'm hesitating between two solutions that may be beneficial to me.. stay on 148 with an 8.125/8.25 with a 14 WB ! I tell myself that the wheelbase may be the miracle solution, no matter our build, I wonder if when we are small, a small board in length and in wheelbase is really better, and that it is not the width of the board that impacts the way of skating.
Or, as i skated 10 years ago, go back to an 8.00, WB 14 with Ventures lows.. but this still makes me buy trucks and a board at the same time.. my wallet may not agree haha But at that time, I was putting kickflips everywhere, and it's been 8 years since I've been able to do any more if it's only about ten a year.. my nightmare tricks that I lost in my legs .. but i was skating ventures lows too when i put them on, but, i can do switch flip with my actual setup.. so .. it makes me really hesitate and i wonder if lower trucks are better with age, and on the other hand i think to myself that it is only a question of millimeters with the thunder ..Small anecdote too, when I put kickflip, I was often in 7.75/7.8, somestimes 8.. So I think the wheelbase of the boards were very short (year 2009/2010) But again, I don't think the width changes anything..
Sorry again for this madness, but i know I'm not the only one in this case (well.. with my kickflip, I think so :D)
Thank you in advance friends skaters ! :-*
Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but if you havent already, you might wanna consider tightening your thunders a little bit and seeing how they feel.
Thunders turn more/morequickly than ventures, you might be having trouble for that reason.
I cant tell you how many times i was starting to go down he madness hole and just needed to adjust my trucks.
I couldn’t agree more with this answer. “ I need more stability, ( tightens truck a quarter turn). There it is!“ There’s definitely an over tightened point but a micro adjustment as simple as this can go a long way.
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It's true that I noticed that the thunders turn easily.. as long as you sit in flip, the board turns directly..Less stable than venture. So.. I will try this haha
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Every truck is less stable than Venture. There's no shame in riding your tricks as tight as you need to be to do your tricks, but hopefully you should still be able to turn as needed.
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Excuse me in advance for this madness novel, but I know that some will help me a lot.. :'(
I upgraded to an 8.125 and Thunder 148s raws recently after skating 8.00 for long time, and Venture High 5.25 raws. I wanted to try wider, board and medium/lower trucks, for more stability and less sketchy landing.
To tell the truth, I thought that the thunder 148 were an advantage for me, they are lower, neither too heavy nor too light. I like them a lot yes. However, I skate them on a Baker 8.125 with a Wheelbase of 14.25. I still sometimes have trouble mastering certain tricks and my 360 flips don't come as easily as before.. For the little that my legs are tired, the end of the session is very difficult and I didn't expect it's heavier than it looks
I'm really trying to find the solution for me, I'm in my early thirties, I've been skating for 15 years, and sometimes some tricks get difficult.. I'm a 8 foot size, and I'm 5.7, with small legs.
That's why I'm hesitating between two solutions that may be beneficial to me.. stay on 148 with an 8.125/8.25 with a 14 WB ! I tell myself that the wheelbase may be the miracle solution, no matter our build, I wonder if when we are small, a small board in length and in wheelbase is really better, and that it is not the width of the board that impacts the way of skating.
Or, as i skated 10 years ago, go back to an 8.00, WB 14 with Ventures lows.. but this still makes me buy trucks and a board at the same time.. my wallet may not agree haha But at that time, I was putting kickflips everywhere, and it's been 8 years since I've been able to do any more if it's only about ten a year.. my nightmare tricks that I lost in my legs .. but i was skating ventures lows too when i put them on, but, i can do switch flip with my actual setup.. so .. it makes me really hesitate and i wonder if lower trucks are better with age, and on the other hand i think to myself that it is only a question of millimeters with the thunder ..Small anecdote too, when I put kickflip, I was often in 7.75/7.8, somestimes 8.. So I think the wheelbase of the boards were very short (year 2009/2010) But again, I don't think the width changes anything..
Sorry again for this madness, but i know I'm not the only one in this case (well.. with my kickflip, I think so :D)
Thank you in advance friends skaters ! :-*
Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but if you havent already, you might wanna consider tightening your thunders a little bit and seeing how they feel.
Thunders turn more/morequickly than ventures, you might be having trouble for that reason.
I cant tell you how many times i was starting to go down he madness hole and just needed to adjust my trucks.
I couldn’t agree more with this answer. “ I need more stability, ( tightens truck a quarter turn). There it is!“ There’s definitely an over tightened point but a micro adjustment as simple as this can go a long way.
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Got a truefit.
Shop had the 8, Krooked. Great graphic.
Sadly, it’s a 2, so not my shit but had to try it.
Setup on 147 hollows, with a solid kingpin cast baseplate, and 52 mm conical full 101s, swiss (not the 6s unfortunately).
Mob. That I fucked up.
Board looks great. Brown top stain…just the whole thing looks lovely.
First thought was that the pop was just bad. For context, I took the trucks and wheels and such, off of a 2 year old quasi 8.125. Just to set up something different. I am a ps stix fanbuddy. I despise the view of a bbs board from the primo position. Just the way the concave waves up. Fuuuuuck that. Anyways, pop wack. Kickflips good. Ollies felt so weird, switch and nollie felt nice. Didn’t get a lot of time, it’s fun to try. I might do the EXTREMELY GROSS thing I do, and change the trucks (to 5.2 lo’s). Started to figure it out a little more, strangely needed to bring the popping foot way closer to the bolts, down into the pocket.
I’m so stoked dlx made these, I’ll look for a flat one.
I’d probably be better served with the 8.12x14x31.3 they rarely make.
Better yet would be a ps/prime/pgi/pnotbbs board.
Fun to try different stuff!
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Isn’t Prod’s truck : 5.2 hollow low/forged…his 5.6 is high..
They used to be at least. I have 5.2 hollow lows but they're gold so I kinda hate them
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Im having crazy shoe madness right now and I need help. Im 30, and I've skated non skate slip ons most of my life. Ive been trying various skate shoes and hating them all. I like a lot of board feel but still want to feel protected and also have a somewhat pointy toe. any suggestions?
for reference: I skated the cons slip ons and hated them, the vans skate slips are really wonky and stretch out really bad, BUT, oddly enough I've been skating a pair of blazer high's that feel really good after I took the insole out.
any advice helps
One stars? Semi pointy, more protective than a slip, but if your not a cons iono
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Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
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Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
I feel like if you give your used deck to someone who really needs it, that kinda balances out the kooky-ness
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Not really madness cuz I'm not sweating it but recently tried Venture 5.6 Cast hollows again recently. First on an 8.25/14.25 Pass~Port. Was ok for a few flip tricks, decent pop, horrible manual point. Figured I'd throw them on my 8.25 AH Eagle I am running Thunders on and holy shit is it horrible. Like awful ollieing over anything except for getting up on a taller ledge. Manual point is a tad better cuz the deck is mellower. I don't think I will even try to persist on it because skating it is just simply not fun.
Interestingly I put my Thunders on the Pass~Port and liked it better than the Ventures on there before. So far I have enjoyed Thunders on basically any BBS deck 8.25-8.5 wide and 14.25-14.5WB yet I still wanna try other trucks.
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Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
Madness is tinkering with equipment, chasing some Grail type set-up, that all of us know really doesn't exist. Symbolic gestures that are "allegorious" to something else, in this case change, IMHO, fall into realm outside the scope and range of The Madness, as we have come to know it in this thread.
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Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
I only like to skate spring/summer color decks during the warmer months. Gotta be a lot of light colors, lots of pastels, stuff like that. Dark boards are for skating in parking garages all winter.
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After an injury? The only real question is whether or not it’s safe to give away?
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i'm sitting on 3 decks i bought while riding Indy forged.
Now that i switched to venture forged i catch myself looking for more decks that my brain says would skate better with the ventures..
I got 2 Real 8.28s.. 31.7, 14.12 WB. Pretty short tail and one is a I the other is a III.
Should i even bother setting them up with the ventures.
The other one is a Darkroom 8.25, 32, 14.25 WB. Could work better maybe..
Last one was a Polar 8.25, 31.875 14.125 WB. That one felt great with the Ventures so my madness tells me i should buy a few more of them..
I hate this shit.
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Not sure if this is madness, but I have the urge to swap out a perfectly fine deck (after a month of use). I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
Am I being a superstitious kook? 🥹
I only like to skate spring/summer color decks during the warmer months. Gotta be a lot of light colors, lots of pastels, stuff like that. Dark boards are for skating in parking garages all winter.
Thanks for the replies. I know it’s not technically madness and I plan on giving it away. And yeah, I want something that has a different vibe. Also doesn’t hurt that I have an abundance of decks cause the sale gear thread lol.
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i'm sitting on 3 decks i bought while riding Indy forged.
Now that i switched to venture forged i catch myself looking for more decks that my brain says would skate better with the ventures..
I got 2 Real 8.28s.. 31.7, 14.12 WB. Pretty short tail and one is a I the other is a III.
Should i even bother setting them up with the ventures.
The other one is a Darkroom 8.25, 32, 14.25 WB. Could work better maybe..
Last one was a Polar 8.25, 31.875 14.125 WB. That one felt great with the Ventures so my madness tells me i should buy a few more of them..
I hate this shit.
You don't have to hate it. You have 2 choices:
1. Set them up and try and leave them at a local park if they don't work.
2. Try to sell them and get what you like.
Regardless I would advise not trying to mastermind wheelbases or other dimensions as much. I've skated setups that all had the same effective wheelbase but felt much different. I have no clue why I like Thunders on 14.5 more than Venture on 14.1-14.25 when they have a longer effective wheelbase. I've skated decks with the same measurements but different kick shapes and fingers of flat and had noticeably different experiences. Sometimes you gotta just ride with what works and suck it up as a loss if something you try that is similar or might be better doesn't work.
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Not really madness cuz I'm not sweating it but recently tried Venture 5.6 Cast hollows again recently. First on an 8.25/14.25 Pass~Port. Was ok for a few flip tricks, decent pop, horrible manual point. Figured I'd throw them on my 8.25 AH Eagle I am running Thunders on and holy shit is it horrible. Like awful ollieing over anything except for getting up on a taller ledge. Manual point is a tad better cuz the deck is mellower. I don't think I will even try to persist on it because skating it is just simply not fun.
Interestingly I put my Thunders on the Pass~Port and liked it better than the Ventures on there before. So far I have enjoyed Thunders on basically any BBS deck 8.25-8.5 wide and 14.25-14.5WB yet I still wanna try other trucks.
Have you been able to try the cast hollows on the AWS 8.25 x 32.25 x 14.25? That has been my favorite deck to run with those trucks. I think the longer nose and tail work well with the Ventures. All of my manuals feel good on this setup, and my flip tricks are higher than doing them on Thunders.
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I have not, no one local sells those and I typically am not one for big kicks. So far I have tried Quasi 8.25, Quasi 8.38, BBS 8.125 generic, BBS 8.25 generic, BBS 8.38 generic, DLX Blue Eagle 8.4ish x 14.25, a DLX 8.25, a DLX 8.06, and maybe something else. I think the only deck I've really enjoyed them on is the BBS 8.125/8.25
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Quasi 8.25 is on deck for me. The one with the 14.38 wb. Never tried this shape, but I normally do not like PS. We'll see how it goes.
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I have this thing where I like to setup new decks to signify a change. Like new season, coming back from an injury, new approach to skateboarding, etc.
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I’ve been on the opposite end of some of these board dimension trends. Longer boards and wheelbases. The bbs dlx 8.25/14.38 with thunders has been my go to recently, but I just finished riding this weird 8.25 heroin yankou deck with a 14.8 wheelbase and it was magic. Flip tricks were amazing, and it was super comfy on transition. I thought it was mislabeled at first but I measured and it was pretty close at 14.7
I’m 5’11 so not really tall and I don’t think my legs are oddly long, but for some reason these bigger wheelbase boards just feel perfect. Bigger nose/tails, nice fingers of flat, and the 8.25 width just works perfect for flip tricks and ledges but gives enough stability for transition.
I found an old ass anti hero deck at the mall labeled “8.25 full” with a 14.5 wheelbase - seemed to from the old/original run when dlx first introduced the full shapes. Didn’t grab it because it must have been a few years old. I ended up finding a few unity & there decks with that same shape and I believe both of those brands are from dlx as well correct?
https://www.tactics.com/there/kien-friends-825-full-shape-skateboard-deck
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That deck is new, shoulda grabbed it.
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Damn ur right, just checked their catalog and it’s new. Still sucks buying from mainland, might go to my local shop and see if they have it.
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Damn ur right, just checked their catalog and it’s new. Still sucks buying from mainland, might go to my local shop and see if they have it.
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I’ve been on the opposite end of some of these board dimension trends. Longer boards and wheelbases. The bbs dlx 8.25/14.38 with thunders has been my go to recently, but I just finished riding this weird 8.25 heroin yankou deck with a 14.8 wheelbase and it was magic. Flip tricks were amazing, and it was super comfy on transition. I thought it was mislabeled at first but I measured and it was pretty close at 14.7
I’m 5’11 so not really tall and I don’t think my legs are oddly long, but for some reason these bigger wheelbase boards just feel perfect. Bigger nose/tails, nice fingers of flat, and the 8.25 width just works perfect for flip tricks and ledges but gives enough stability for transition.
I found an old ass anti hero deck at the mall labeled “8.25 full” with a 14.5 wheelbase - seemed to from the old/original run when dlx first introduced the full shapes. Didn’t grab it because it must have been a few years old. I ended up finding a few unity & there decks with that same shape and I believe both of those brands are from dlx as well correct?
https://www.tactics.com/there/kien-friends-825-full-shape-skateboard-deck
Yes, they are all under DLX, being able to use any of the same shapes, or do their own, like the long Chandler Burton board, but that is wider as well.
https://www.tactics.com/there/chandler-burton-night-garden-85-skateboard-deck/metallic-foil
I think there should be more of those 8.25 Full boards coming out from DLX as well, but with anything like that, you never know how many or when they will do more, but I think the Heroin board shape is a regular one and most likely in every drop, or every other drop from Heroin from what I have heard / seen.
At least the DLX 8.25 Full shape is pretty much the go to for an allrounder, or if you do like longer boards / wheelbases without going crazy on the overall dimensions or having the wheelbase eat into the nose or tail too much.
Another board with weird long wheelbase for it's size is the Palace 8.3 board, at a similar 14.8 or so wheelbase, that most people steer clear of, but some really like. It is Dwindle wood and Palace is not one of the brands that is around everywhere, as well as usually being on the higher price end of the scale, but interesting to see.
To say I am biased towards BBS and DLX is an understatement, but I try to keep an open mind when helping others with products, board info, etc.
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i'm sitting on 3 decks i bought while riding Indy forged.
Now that i switched to venture forged i catch myself looking for more decks that my brain says would skate better with the ventures..
I got 2 Real 8.28s.. 31.7, 14.12 WB. Pretty short tail and one is a I the other is a III.
Should i even bother setting them up with the ventures.
The other one is a Darkroom 8.25, 32, 14.25 WB. Could work better maybe..
Last one was a Polar 8.25, 31.875 14.125 WB. That one felt great with the Ventures so my madness tells me i should buy a few more of them..
I hate this shit.
You don't have to hate it. You have 2 choices:
1. Set them up and try and leave them at a local park if they don't work.
2. Try to sell them and get what you like.
Regardless I would advise not trying to mastermind wheelbases or other dimensions as much. I've skated setups that all had the same effective wheelbase but felt much different. I have no clue why I like Thunders on 14.5 more than Venture on 14.1-14.25 when they have a longer effective wheelbase. I've skated decks with the same measurements but different kick shapes and fingers of flat and had noticeably different experiences. Sometimes you gotta just ride with what works and suck it up as a loss if something you try that is similar or might be better doesn't work.
1st session on the 8.28 and yea.. Better than my Madness tried to tell me. I kinda like it more than the polar I had before. It felt a bit more tiring but all my stuff worked really well. I went with the III first. The I will be a different kind of beast I guess..
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Not being able to skate and having a pile of unused shit is driving me loopy. I want to just give it all away at this point.
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Not being able to skate and having a pile of unused shit is driving me loopy. I want to just give it all away at this point.
That’s the worst for me with the madness. Then I start buying more and thinking what kind of set ups I should put together to make me an awesome skater. Then I start fiddling with my gear and setting up boards and then it’s full blown madness.
I’ll try to actively avoid that situation from now on but it’s not easy as I’ve got so much stuff and not enough time to skate and I’ve also been injured a bunch in the last few years.
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I’ve been a one complete guy for a while now, but last night I was struggling to land a single kickflip and my pop felt like crap. Today I’m on call and stuck at home, so in order to induce fresh madness into my skating, I went ahead and setup a freshie with some Ventures I’ve had kicking around.
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I’ve been a one complete guy for a while now, but last night I was struggling to land a single kickflip and my pop felt like crap. Today I’m on call and stuck at home, so in order to induce fresh madness into my skating, I went ahead and setup a freshie with some Ventures I’ve had kicking around.
This is the way.
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I’ve been a one complete guy for a while now, but last night I was struggling to land a single kickflip and my pop felt like crap. Today I’m on call and stuck at home, so in order to induce fresh madness into my skating, I went ahead and setup a freshie with some Ventures I’ve had kicking around.
Ive got no madness compared to y’all in here but ive do have a few if everything needed to skate on ice, including decks that i skated for far too short a period to set up a new one.
Anyways, im also a 1 set up sorta cat. The quiver makes no sense to me but in trying to learn 360 flips i threw together a flatter setup with tighter trucks, something thats just a little too rigid for me to jame around on but perfect for balance needed when learning this trick. I feel kinda kooky being as shitty as i am at skating and busting out a second set up at the ens of a session to practice a single flip trick while dudes are ripping hard on janky set ups buuuuut it’s working for now 🫠
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After riding a size 8.0 board for a long time, and high trucks, I wanted to change two months ago and I bought a baker 8.125, and thunder 148, because influenced by everyone who skates big guys trucks, but above all; I wanted to be on the medium; because I was getting tired of high trucks, too much effort and big problem in flip tricks.
Lots of trouble too, wide trucks are so hard for me.. I'm short (5.7) and short legs..
Yesterday; I went to the local shop to buy a new board, I went back to 8.0, all the other boards were too long with a large wheelbase, I took a sk8mafia with a length of 31.25 and a wheelbase of 14,1
and a friend gave me a pair of Fury trucks, the new ones that are sold in partnership with decathlon skateboarding , there are mids, and honestly.. I haven't skated so well in a long time ! A 8.0 board is so much better for my build, and the fury trucks are a really big surprise!!! Very light but controllable. Maybe because they are made of aluminium. Their wheelbase is closer to independent, so less hassle with a board wheelbase above 14..
If I could give ONE BIG piece of advice for those who have fallen into madness like me, Take a board in relation to your body size, honestly, everything is easier .. that's undeniable
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I'm 6 foot 3 with US size 10 shoes what board size is for me?
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I'm 6 foot 3 with US size 10 shoes what board size is for me?
I’m the same height but my feet are 13. I like 8.5 best, but can pop higher on 8.25. I have a 9.25 and 10.34 deck too, and while they feel comfy, they’re too big for me.
Honestly, I think concave is more important than the size. My 8.25 TM deck feels bigger than some of my 8.5s cause it’s so flat lol
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After riding a size 8.0 board for a long time, and high trucks, I wanted to change two months ago and I bought a baker 8.125, and thunder 148, because influenced by everyone who skates big guys trucks, but above all; I wanted to be on the medium; because I was getting tired of high trucks, too much effort and big problem in flip tricks.
Lots of trouble too, wide trucks are so hard for me.. I'm short (5.7) and short legs..
Yesterday; I went to the local shop to buy a new board, I went back to 8.0, all the other boards were too long with a large wheelbase, I took a sk8mafia with a length of 31.25 and a wheelbase of 14,1
and a friend gave me a pair of Fury trucks, the new ones that are sold in partnership with decathlon skateboarding , there are mids, and honestly.. I haven't skated so well in a long time ! A 8.0 board is so much better for my build, and the fury trucks are a really big surprise!!! Very light but controllable. Maybe because they are made of aluminium. Their wheelbase is closer to independent, so less hassle with a board wheelbase above 14..
If I could give ONE BIG piece of advice for those who have fallen into madness like me, Take a board in relation to your body size, honestly, everything is easier .. that's undeniable
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Pushes away in an 8.38 and an 8.75 at 5'7"
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My ollies might be better on one setup cause it has sanded down Jessup versus MOB on my other one. Just easier to slide my foot, but feels like I'll slip off while cruising. This got me thinking--have any of y'all ever applied different brands of grip on a deck? I'm thinking MOB on the tail and Jessup up front for a quicker slide. So it'd be like a 25/75 split. Surely I'm not the first person to think of this lol
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After riding a size 8.0 board for a long time, and high trucks, I wanted to change two months ago and I bought a baker 8.125, and thunder 148, because influenced by everyone who skates big guys trucks, but above all; I wanted to be on the medium; because I was getting tired of high trucks, too much effort and big problem in flip tricks.
Lots of trouble too, wide trucks are so hard for me.. I'm short (5.7) and short legs..
Yesterday; I went to the local shop to buy a new board, I went back to 8.0, all the other boards were too long with a large wheelbase, I took a sk8mafia with a length of 31.25 and a wheelbase of 14,1
and a friend gave me a pair of Fury trucks, the new ones that are sold in partnership with decathlon skateboarding , there are mids, and honestly.. I haven't skated so well in a long time ! A 8.0 board is so much better for my build, and the fury trucks are a really big surprise!!! Very light but controllable. Maybe because they are made of aluminium. Their wheelbase is closer to independent, so less hassle with a board wheelbase above 14..
If I could give ONE BIG piece of advice for those who have fallen into madness like me, Take a board in relation to your body size, honestly, everything is easier .. that's undeniable
(https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExY2Y2Yjk2N2QwNjM3OGRmOTZlM2YwYjQ0ZDM1Y2E2NTZmNjQ0ZGRhMyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/lGqCfaLbpv28xE4vc3/giphy.gif)
Pushes away in an 8.38 and an 8.75 at 5'7"
Yes I forgot to mention that the skateboarding style also plays a role.. I do a lot of flatground.. I think that if I did ramp or big rail, and big gap, it wouldn't be the same haha
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I definitely prefer bbs/Dlx boards as well but I may have to try that palace 8.3
These longer boards just feel super comfy. I still love the smaller wheelbase huge shovel nose FA style boards, but they just aren’t as versatile. Having a huge nose and tail does make it really easy to boost flip tricks out of tail & nose slide’s.
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If I was boosting flip tricks out of slides or grinds I wouldn't change a thing.
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My ollies might be better on one setup cause it has sanded down Jessup versus MOB on my other one. Just easier to slide my foot, but feels like I'll slip off while cruising. This got me thinking--have any of y'all ever applied different brands of grip on a deck? I'm thinking MOB on the tail and Jessup up front for a quicker slide. So it'd be like a 25/75 split. Surely I'm not the first person to think of this lol
I can't remember who but someone used to do that. Extra tough grit on the tail, but didn't matter on the rest of the board, especially with all their weird and wonderful grip jobs, where they often used a lot of coloured and different grip to make a piece of art every time.
Some of the other custom grip jobs people have done left me wanting to change out the grip close to the bolts on the tail, as they had spray art grip just in the pocket where I like to keep my foot. Sure put the square of sprayed grip art up past the back bolts, but not at all into the tail please?!?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhSh6IdFx1H/
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Anybody ever fuck with moose blanks?
if so could you offer details about shape and overall durability, shit like that
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Rhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”
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Better than the truck threads do
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Rhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”
Definitely helped me. It was really helpful for me to actually detail my level of madness here. It really put things in perspective for me. Also seeing the posts of people having madness over trivial and unnecessary stuff, exactly like I have definitely helps me. I haven’t bought any new skate gear for a long time and I’ve also changed my shit up very rarely and only for a justified enough reason. I even made an Excel sheet for myself detailing every change in my setup and shoes and the reason for the change.
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Rhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”
Definitely helped me. It was really helpful for me to actually detail my level of madness here. It really put things in perspective for me. Also seeing the posts of people having madness over trivial and unnecessary stuff, exactly like I have definitely helps me. I haven’t bought any new skate gear for a long time and I’ve also changed my shit up very rarely and only for a justified enough reason. I even made an Excel sheet for myself detailing every change in my setup and shoes and the reason for the change.
I used to do the Excel sheet with WB measurements for each pair of truck with each deck, and this year I started a logbook to track each session on what worked / didn't work for each session, specific to tricks. Got lazy a few months back and haven't got back on the horse yet.
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Rhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”
Definitely helped me. It was really helpful for me to actually detail my level of madness here. It really put things in perspective for me. Also seeing the posts of people having madness over trivial and unnecessary stuff, exactly like I have definitely helps me. I haven’t bought any new skate gear for a long time and I’ve also changed my shit up very rarely and only for a justified enough reason. I even made an Excel sheet for myself detailing every change in my setup and shoes and the reason for the change.
I used to do the Excel sheet with WB measurements for each pair of truck with each deck, and this year I started a logbook to track each session on what worked / didn't work for each session, specific to tricks. Got lazy a few months back and haven't got back on the horse yet.
That sounds nice. I’m a nerd and I love data.
I haven’t figured out how to easily enough integrate the data from my Apple Watch on how much I’ve skated to my Excel-file. Now it just has dates and those can be misleading as the amount I skate unfortunately varies a lot these days. If I could integrate that somehow I’d be stoked.
Also your logbook idea on what tricks work and what do not sounds very good. I’m on a slightly shorter wheelbase now and have been loving it for many things but it is a trade off with something else. Documenting this somehow reliably would be nice. You’d have to have a way of disregarding the bad sessions which happen inexplicably sometimes though.
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Re the spreadsheet banter...
I had a spreadsheet for a long time. Deck measurements. Notes about shape. Notes about what I did/didn't like about each. I started this years ago, when I was trying to find my "Grail Set-Up," which I eventually did find. Last year I deleted the entire thing. Why? Because it itself had become part of the madness. I had long ago found what works the best for me, and the spreadsheet just became a place I'd look for potential data tweaks when I was bored/injured/rainy days/etc. My only real regret in deleting it? It was a great resource in helping others when they had questions about a specific (DLX) deck measurements/shapes, but @Mbrimson88 usually has my back on that one, so, not a total loss.
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I've been engaging in purposeful madness after finding a good home base. Mostly trucks with one foray into a shorter deck. What I've found is usually I can do everything, just some things slightly better.
What this has led to is indecisiveness. Do I want the nice pop of Indy's? Or the fast nollie pop of Thunders?
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I've been engaging in purposeful madness after finding a good home base.
This is a perfect example. I don't know if this (brilliant) statement just made my madness better, or worse. :)
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Rhetorical Question: Has this thread helped mitigate your madness…or made it worse?
My answer? “Yes.”
Definitely helped me. It was really helpful for me to actually detail my level of madness here. It really put things in perspective for me. Also seeing the posts of people having madness over trivial and unnecessary stuff, exactly like I have definitely helps me. I haven’t bought any new skate gear for a long time and I’ve also changed my shit up very rarely and only for a justified enough reason. I even made an Excel sheet for myself detailing every change in my setup and shoes and the reason for the change.
I used to do the Excel sheet with WB measurements for each pair of truck with each deck, and this year I started a logbook to track each session on what worked / didn't work for each session, specific to tricks. Got lazy a few months back and haven't got back on the horse yet.
That sounds nice. I’m a nerd and I love data.
I haven’t figured out how to easily enough integrate the data from my Apple Watch on how much I’ve skated to my Excel-file. Now it just has dates and those can be misleading as the amount I skate unfortunately varies a lot these days. If I could integrate that somehow I’d be stoked.
Also your logbook idea on what tricks work and what do not sounds very good. I’m on a slightly shorter wheelbase now and have been loving it for many things but it is a trade off with something else. Documenting this somehow reliably would be nice. You’d have to have a way of disregarding the bad sessions which happen inexplicably sometimes though.
I don't document the way the setup feels as much as I document the session, specific things that worked or didn't about a trick. Shoulders / weight distribution / foot placement, that kind of stuff. I found out I was running out of things to document so each entry got shorter, both in a good and bad way, I was getting consistent in some tricks that I could do them without micro-corrections every session.
In retrospect the entries weren't growing because I wasn't trying anything new, hence not worth documenting. The bad session entries boiled down to "get out of your head, stop overthinking this".
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I've been engaging in purposeful madness after finding a good home base. Mostly trucks with one foray into a shorter deck. What I've found is usually I can do everything, just some things slightly better.
What this has led to is indecisiveness. Do I want the nice pop of Indy's? Or the fast nollie pop of Thunders?
What’s your home base setup?
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BBS generic 8.38 or DLX 8.25 with 148 Thunders, 52-53mm F4. I could likely also ride the BBS generic 8.25 and any of the wider DLX with a 14.25 fine.
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BBS generic 8.38 or DLX 8.25 with 148 Thunders, 52-53mm F4. I could likely also ride the BBS generic 8.25 and any of the wider DLX with a 14.25 fine.
i think this is my favorite setup too tbh ^
I don't have thunders either but thats gonna be my next truck for sure. tried my friends Hockey 8.5" x 14.25" andrew allen on conical full 52mm with thunder 149s and it felt pretty damn perfect to me.
I am on 8.5" x 14" wb Anti Hero with 144 Indy Ti. I do like the short wb on here but I liked the 14.25" more. I like 14" more than 14.5" thats for damn sure.
Primitive 8.38"s are like 14.125" wb i am probably gonna try that next. It could be potentially even more perfect.
I decided I need to stay on 148 / 8.25" trucks for 3. reasons;
1: the main spot i skate is a curb with grass on the other side, you want narrower trucks because its very rounded and its easy to go over the other side if your trucks are wider than 8.25".
2: I don't really skate tranny at all.
3: I find it slightly easier to pinch 5050 grinds on round rails on a narrower truck.
I am going to switch conical full for classic next time to see what I like better. I have rode conical or radial shape (was always fairly clueless about wheels until Bones STF came out) for probaly the entire time ive been skating (~25 years) so i am interested to see what classics are like. debating going 101 on a F4 because I love super super slick noseslide action but i may regret it when it comes time to skate a bank or something and 99a seems to work just fine for noseslides.
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Thunders work well or 95% optimal with most decks. That's their greatest strength.
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I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
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yeah i personally cant stand when ppl are like "this truck pairs nicely with this board" because imo there is always an advantage and disadvantage to doing everything.
consider nigel rides almost completely flat PS deck - he doesnt need any dogshit to make him do 3 flips or sw heel tailside better. he can ollie on it nicely into rails, thats for sure. that board probalby produces super consistent results once you are used to it. compared to a more "spoon like" (mbrimson ;) BBS shape.
just cuase we dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else or you couldnt get used to it. i love that cambre or what have you on the bbs boards though
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I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
Esp. when all DLX products are the variables... :)
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yeah i personally cant stand when ppl are like "this truck pairs nicely with this board" because imo there is always an advantage and disadvantage to doing everything.
consider nigel rides almost completely flat PS deck - he doesnt need any dogshit to make him do 3 flips or sw heel tailside better. he can ollie on it nicely into rails, thats for sure. that board probalby produces super consistent results once you are used to it. compared to a more "spoon like" (mbrimson ;) BBS shape.
just cuase we dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else or you couldnt get used to it. i love that cambre or what have you on the bbs boards though
My point was that as a mid height, mid weight, mid wheelbase extending truck with good pinch a Thunder usually works with decks of varying kick steepness and wheelbase. Spec wise they're pretty middle of the road whereas an Ace or Venture might be more polarizing hence why there are so many posts on here about people asking the precise specs of what they pair Ventures with.
This is mostly only useful for recommending stuff to a new skater or someone coming off shaped boards back to popsicles. I was mostly just stating it since that's probably why I actually like them- they're the most vanilla of the trucks. They're not the best and not magic or some shit and they have got weaknesses of course.
For me with Indys or Ventures I really dislike steeper kicks, which somewhat limits what I want to ride.
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A lot of talk about gear…..but not about ‘madness’…..
There’s a fair amount of sensitivity and self importance tied to all of this no?
These things come with age…..
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A lot of talk about gear…..but not about ‘madness’…..
There’s a fair amount of sensitivity and self importance tied to all of this no?
These things come with age…..
Self-importance? More like self-doubt. :)
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yeah i personally cant stand when ppl are like "this truck pairs nicely with this board" because imo there is always an advantage and disadvantage to doing everything.
consider nigel rides almost completely flat PS deck - he doesnt need any dogshit to make him do 3 flips or sw heel tailside better. he can ollie on it nicely into rails, thats for sure. that board probalby produces super consistent results once you are used to it. compared to a more "spoon like" (mbrimson ;) BBS shape.
just cuase we dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else or you couldnt get used to it. i love that cambre or what have you on the bbs boards though
My point was that as a mid height, mid weight, mid wheelbase extending truck with good pinch a Thunder usually works with decks of varying kick steepness and wheelbase. Spec wise they're pretty middle of the road whereas an Ace or Venture might be more polarizing hence why there are so many posts on here about people asking the precise specs of what they pair Ventures with.
This is mostly only useful for recommending stuff to a new skater or someone coming off shaped boards back to popsicles. I was mostly just stating it since that's probably why I actually like them- they're the most vanilla of the trucks. They're not the best and not magic or some shit and they have got weaknesses of course.
For me with Indys or Ventures I really dislike steeper kicks, which somewhat limits what I want to ride.
I think more than anything, people will often describe their own experiences with board setups, which sometimes do work for others but other times don't work that well for others, but the "perfect setup" can vary greatly depending on how someone skates, what they are used to, even when someone is fit and has been skating a lot, compared to if someone has been out for a while, or injured or whatever.
Nowdays I just don't have the muscle strength to do half of what I used to do, so a more mellow board with wider Independent trucks = easier pop works way better for me. Others might find that is very average, so a lower, not as wide truck with a steeper board will work better for them, or some other combination that I would think is not that nice for me to skate.
Re the spreadsheet banter...
I had a spreadsheet for a long time. Deck measurements. Notes about shape. Notes about what I did/didn't like about each. I started this years ago, when I was trying to find my "Grail Set-Up," which I eventually did find. Last year I deleted the entire thing. Why? Because it itself had become part of the madness. I had long ago found what works the best for me, and the spreadsheet just became a place I'd look for potential data tweaks when I was bored/injured/rainy days/etc. My only real regret in deleting it? It was a great resource in helping others when they had questions about a specific (DLX) deck measurements/shapes, but @Mbrimson88 usually has my back on that one, so, not a total loss.
Ha yeah too many boards and a bit too much time to "try everything" or at least compare them and then work out what is what in terms of sizes, shapes and everything else to do with these things.
At least to be in a position where people can try all those options at the indoor skatepark is a good thing. It would be a bit weird if I kept one of everything set up just in my own shed or something, but I do have at least one of all the options I prefer there as well.
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not really that type of madness, but in a manic pinch i bought a pair of stage 4 151s and now i need a matching board. probably get a quasi 9 inch football...
i'm not sure why i bought these trucks... originally i wanted to get a cheap set of films in that size, but it seems it was the last pair on the european mainland and i got fomo? i also got a sheet of pepper grip because i was curious.
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yeah i personally cant stand when ppl are like "this truck pairs nicely with this board" because imo there is always an advantage and disadvantage to doing everything.
consider nigel rides almost completely flat PS deck - he doesnt need any dogshit to make him do 3 flips or sw heel tailside better. he can ollie on it nicely into rails, thats for sure. that board probalby produces super consistent results once you are used to it. compared to a more "spoon like" (mbrimson ;) BBS shape.
just cuase we dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else or you couldnt get used to it. i love that cambre or what have you on the bbs boards though
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My point was that as a mid height, mid weight, mid wheelbase extending truck with good pinch a Thunder usually works with decks of varying kick steepness and wheelbase. Spec wise they're pretty middle of the road whereas an Ace or Venture might be more polarizing hence why there are so many posts on here about people asking the precise specs of what they pair Ventures with.
This is mostly only useful for recommending stuff to a new skater or someone coming off shaped boards back to popsicles. I was mostly just stating it since that's probably why I actually like them- they're the most vanilla of the trucks. They're not the best and not magic or some shit and they have got weaknesses of course.
For me with Indys or Ventures I really dislike steeper kicks, which somewhat limits what I want to ride.
I think more than anything, people will often describe their own experiences with board setups, which sometimes do work for others but other times don't work that well for others, but the "perfect setup" can vary greatly depending on how someone skates, what they are used to, even when someone is fit and has been skating a lot, compared to if someone has been out for a while, or injured or whatever.
Nowdays I just don't have the muscle strength to do half of what I used to do, so a more mellow board with wider Independent trucks = easier pop works way better for me. Others might find that is very average, so a lower, not as wide truck with a steeper board will work better for them, or some other combination that I would think is not that nice for me to skate.
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Re the spreadsheet banter...
I had a spreadsheet for a long time. Deck measurements. Notes about shape. Notes about what I did/didn't like about each. I started this years ago, when I was trying to find my "Grail Set-Up," which I eventually did find. Last year I deleted the entire thing. Why? Because it itself had become part of the madness. I had long ago found what works the best for me, and the spreadsheet just became a place I'd look for potential data tweaks when I was bored/injured/rainy days/etc. My only real regret in deleting it? It was a great resource in helping others when they had questions about a specific (DLX) deck measurements/shapes, but @Mbrimson88 usually has my back on that one, so, not a total loss.
Ha yeah too many boards and a bit too much time to "try everything" or at least compare them and then work out what is what in terms of sizes, shapes and everything else to do with these things.
At least to be in a position where people can try all those options at the indoor skatepark is a good thing. It would be a bit weird if I kept one of everything set up just in my own shed or something, but I do have at least one of all the options I prefer there as well.
It all comes down to what matches your needs. Every truck has its drawbacks. For the most part Indy and Thunder cover most people's basic needs really well. They're pretty mid range in many specs and will accommodate most decks reasonably well, but will have shortcomings for people that they may fix by different trucks, for example.
For me the most annoying variant is kick steepness so I focus on which truck minimizes those changes the most. Indy's are a bit more sensitive to steeper setups due to their height, but you don't get as much wheelbite normally. Ergo, 95% of boards will work with either to a point and it's the 5% of preferences that drive madness.
Most skaters aren't doing anything quite as tech or gnarly as they think they are. If you really love the experience of carving you know that buying an Ace will maximize that at the expense of other things. Same I'd you value the stability of Ventures.
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I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
I recently sold some 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 from the stack a week ago and the buyer went back and forth on the sizes for 3 days straight, changed his mind 5 times in 2 days. Kept asking me if Indy 149s would work better with 8.25 or 8.38. And when I brought down my setup for him to reference (8.38 / Venture 5.8 / 3 washers inside), he started comparing the magic carpet top view.
I lost track of the number of times he asked if 149s would fit better on 8.25 / 8.38, and what my preference would be. Dude, it's a skateboard, and we're talking about millimeters and fractions of an inch, stop overthinking it. Also, this setup is unique to you, not me, asking me to choose a deck on your behalf is like asking me to choose your life partner.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
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I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
I recently sold some 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 from the stack a week ago and the buyer went back and forth on the sizes for 3 days straight, changed his mind 5 times in 2 days. Kept asking me if Indy 149s would work better with 8.25 or 8.38. And when I brought down my setup for him to reference (8.38 / Venture 5.8 / 3 washers inside), he started comparing the magic carpet top view.
I lost track of the number of times he asked if 149s would fit better on 8.25 / 8.38, and what my preference would be. Dude, it's a skateboard, and we're talking about millimeters and fractions of an inch, stop overthinking it. Also, this setup is unique to you, not me, asking me to choose a deck on your behalf is like asking me to choose your life partner.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
^ Grim.
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I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
I recently sold some 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 from the stack a week ago and the buyer went back and forth on the sizes for 3 days straight, changed his mind 5 times in 2 days. Kept asking me if Indy 149s would work better with 8.25 or 8.38. And when I brought down my setup for him to reference (8.38 / Venture 5.8 / 3 washers inside), he started comparing the magic carpet top view.
I lost track of the number of times he asked if 149s would fit better on 8.25 / 8.38, and what my preference would be. Dude, it's a skateboard, and we're talking about millimeters and fractions of an inch, stop overthinking it. Also, this setup is unique to you, not me, asking me to choose a deck on your behalf is like asking me to choose your life partner.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
^ Grim.
He initially settled on the 8.38, but texted me later the same day to ask if he could go with the 8.25 because his homies convinced him to. I obliged since he traveled down and the deck was still in plastic, but still spent 15 minutes comparing the 8.25 / 8.38 because he was worried about hot rodding.
"The 8.38 was looking pretty wide for me to handle"
You're coming from a 7.75, everything 8.0 and up is going to feel massive.
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This dude makes me sound remotely sane in comparison. I've only cared about truck width once and it was a test that didn't change much. Never really messed around with wheel sizes or shapes. No smaller woodshops and the craziest I've gotten with trucks were some Royals since I talked shit on them and wanted to eat my words.
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I know I've joked about this before, but it always makes me laugh when I read through this thread and see comments like "Will an 8.5" DLX deck work well with Thunder 149s and Spitfire 54mm wheels?" and it's like dude, you are just describing a skateboard. Of course it will work.
I recently sold some 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 from the stack a week ago and the buyer went back and forth on the sizes for 3 days straight, changed his mind 5 times in 2 days. Kept asking me if Indy 149s would work better with 8.25 or 8.38. And when I brought down my setup for him to reference (8.38 / Venture 5.8 / 3 washers inside), he started comparing the magic carpet top view.
I lost track of the number of times he asked if 149s would fit better on 8.25 / 8.38, and what my preference would be. Dude, it's a skateboard, and we're talking about millimeters and fractions of an inch, stop overthinking it. Also, this setup is unique to you, not me, asking me to choose a deck on your behalf is like asking me to choose your life partner.
The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
^ Grim.
He initially settled on the 8.38, but texted me later the same day to ask if he could go with the 8.25 because his homies convinced him to. I obliged since he traveled down and the deck was still in plastic, but still spent 15 minutes comparing the 8.25 / 8.38 because he was worried about hot rodding.
"The 8.38 was looking pretty wide for me to handle"
You're coming from a 7.75, everything 8.0 and up is going to feel massive.
Dude wanted to go from a 7.75 (presumably with a 14wb?) to an 8.38 (with a 14.5wb)? Damn.
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The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
Ha yeah and wow!!!
But for real, this is the sort of thing that having a few "demo boards" really helped with - something they could stand on and roll around, more than just look at and wonder which one might work better for them. I know it is different for you and carrying round multiple setups without a car would just be a nightmare, but I also wouldn't be too keen having others session my own personal boards a whole lot, especially seeing as the first thing most people do is change the truck tightness, so I am just taking the board out of their hand and putting a different one out for them to ride now, or I very specifically say "Don't touch the trucks!" before they even get a hand on it.
I also love the helpful friend routine, which I have seen in action a few too many times - one is saying "go wider" and the other is saying "nah, go smaller" so the guy is already losing his mind and helping you to lose yours as well...
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The worst bit was he just started skateboarding after longboarding, still learning to ollie, the madness is 1000% unjustified.
Ha yeah and wow!!!
But for real, this is the sort of thing that having a few "demo boards" really helped with - something they could stand on and roll around, more than just look at and wonder which one might work better for them. I know it is different for you and carrying round multiple setups without a car would just be a nightmare, but I also wouldn't be too keen having others session my own personal boards a whole lot, especially seeing as the first thing most people do is change the truck tightness, so I am just taking the board out of their hand and putting a different one out for them to ride now, or I very specifically say "Don't touch the trucks!" before they even get a hand on it.
I also love the helpful friend routine, which I have seen in action a few too many times - one is saying "go wider" and the other is saying "nah, go smaller" so the guy is already losing his mind and helping you to lose yours as well...
I usually very patient with people and especially newer skaters, but this had me close to my limit. I told him after the swap no more swaps afterwards, and it worked because he went about gripping the deck.
The demo boards may not have worked in his case, he may have started removing the trucks to mix up the deck / truck width, even add in slim / classics / conical / conical full wheels.
I wonder how experienced his friends are to recommend him sizing up so drastically, 8.38 & 8.5 had a brief uptick in popularity in 2021-2022, but that's settled and 8.25 is the most popular based on straw polling.
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I mean it depends on what decks his friends ride. My buddy really liked the DLX 8.5 and some of the shorter Hockey/FA decks so when I started back after a hiatus he recommended those shapes, which are fairly short. Naturally I got a Polar with a 14.5 and it fucking sucked and went back to the shop shortly after and got something shorter. Was really happy that the shop employee explained a bit of madness statistics about length and WB to me.
At the same time none of this mattered for where I was at and I certainly didn't care about truck width like this dude. I rode the 149s from the Polar on an 8.1 Krooked I think and couldn't tell. I then got 139s to match that and rode those on an 8.5 later.
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I mean it depends on what decks his friends ride. My buddy really liked the DLX 8.5 and some of the shorter Hockey/FA decks so when I started back after a hiatus he recommended those shapes, which are fairly short. Naturally I got a Polar with a 14.5 and it fucking sucked and went back to the shop shortly after and got something shorter. Was really happy that the shop employee explained a bit of madness statistics about length and WB to me.
At the same time none of this mattered for where I was at and I certainly didn't care about truck width like this dude. I rode the 149s from the Polar on an 8.1 Krooked I think and couldn't tell. I then got 139s to match that and rode those on an 8.5 later.
One of the local rippers at my park rode Indy 159s with a 7.625 during the COVID shortages, thus proving that skills trumps gear madness
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One of my buddies chose to ride 169s on an 8.5 and now does 148s on 8.75 this further proving your point. And I'm like, going back and forth between decks that are essentially only a few degrees different while gaslighting myself that I don't skate any better on thunders.
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Lol reading this thread makes me feel a little better about myself and my choices.
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i probably shouldnt bother riding anything below 9.0 ever again
gained 15 lbs and gotta admit im not average sized at all
nor am i interested in replacing boards every session
my madness isnt that bad but less options = more skating
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PSA
Whatever is sitting in your cart(s), whatever you think you need, you can wait till the memorial day sales!
I believe in you!
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steepness of kicks has become my new madness focus point.
its hard enough to find board with the wheelbase i want.
Now im going to be worried about a dimension/measurement that isnt listed anywhere or that easy to measure myself.
oof.
I'm loving the 8.38 14.81wb palace, but man these kicks are steep.
Had to go down from my preferred 55mm truck height to compensate.
might even go for some smaller wheels.
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I’m in a bit of shoe madness right now. I know this one can get dangerous.
Steered away from my tried and true blazer mids and liked the ave pro but lately that’s been off so I went to try a bruin low which is kind of like the blazer low with less support. I started chilling a pair of 440s but they’re still too tight and stiff to comfortably skate. Crockett highs up next
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Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.
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I’m in a bit of shoe madness right now. I know this one can get dangerous.
Steered away from my tried and true blazer mids and liked the ave pro but lately that’s been off so I went to try a bruin low which is kind of like the blazer low with less support. I started chilling a pair of 440s but they’re still too tight and stiff to comfortably skate. Crockett highs up next
man, if you love the blazers/bruins just stick with those.
They're always going to be made/available.
Personally i hated the crocketts, but i know thats an unpopular opinion.
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I hated them too after skating them a month. They had a honeymoon phase for me then got weirdly floppy feeling in the upper, I'd get hotspots, and the sole would delam or wear all the way through where the upper meets it.
But to me a Blazer feels bricky compared to a 440 after break in. Thicker sole.
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Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.
Nah.
My current I don’t live* with, and we are so busy, I just kind of have too many boards, with me in the vehicle.
Previous, lived and moved together several times, would call me out. A lot. Also would roast me directly for slap/online time: ‘why don’t you just go skate…?’
Occasionally she would note that it looked uncomfortable when I was taking apart things and putting them back together in different combinations. Pretty funny.
All to say, you’ve got a winner on your hands
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Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.
I just infected her with the madness and now she's got 3 setups as well
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steepness of kicks has become my new madness focus point.
its hard enough to find board with the wheelbase i want.
Now im going to be worried about a dimension/measurement that isnt listed anywhere or that easy to measure myself.
oof.
I'm loving the 8.38 14.81wb palace, but man these kicks are steep.
Had to go down from my preferred 55mm truck height to compensate.
might even go for some smaller wheels.
That board seems really interesting. I for sure wanted one, just as an experiment.
I’m more locked in now, but still try different things, just for variety. I think I’ve kinda fried myself, to the point where it’s hard to just go skate with one board. A gross state of affairs.
Not to add to your situation, but that palace is less than 32” long, ya? All to say, shorter nose/tail. I’ve gone on about the griffin Gass shape being a banger, cuz it is, and I think a big reason I’m so into it is the tail is the same length as the crail 7.75. Shit feels familiar. I do not prefer the big long tails, and tbh prefer shorter noses as well. Shorter than average. 6.5 is plenty for a tail imo, and a nose over 6.75…not needed. I don’t measure noses and tails, but I do notice that decks I like more are shorter in both respects.
I like flat boards. If the crail boards had less pitch to the kicks that’d be good, but it works out fine for me, as I don’t skate wheels bigger than 54, and usually 52, also preferring lo trucks.
I know some smart fools that are into pitch angle, and it works for them. I’m trying to go the other way, where I just pic one dimension and it works. The closest two dimensions for this, for me, are length or width. If a board is 31.3 ish, it’ll be good. Haven’t had a bad one, truefit is trying my patience a bit.
Godspeed
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Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.
Definitely not the worst kind of infection.
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steepness of kicks has become my new madness focus point.
its hard enough to find board with the wheelbase i want.
Now im going to be worried about a dimension/measurement that isnt listed anywhere or that easy to measure myself.
oof.
I'm loving the 8.38 14.81wb palace, but man these kicks are steep.
Had to go down from my preferred 55mm truck height to compensate.
might even go for some smaller wheels.
That board seems really interesting. I for sure wanted one, just as an experiment.
I’m more locked in now, but still try different things, just for variety. I think I’ve kinda fried myself, to the point where it’s hard to just go skate with one board. A gross state of affairs.
Not to add to your situation, but that palace is less than 32” long, ya? All to say, shorter nose/tail. I’ve gone on about the griffin Gass shape being a banger, cuz it is, and I think a big reason I’m so into it is the tail is the same length as the crail 7.75. Shit feels familiar. I do not prefer the big long tails, and tbh prefer shorter noses as well. Shorter than average. 6.5 is plenty for a tail imo, and a nose over 6.75…not needed. I don’t measure noses and tails, but I do notice that decks I like more are shorter in both respects.
I like flat boards. If the crail boards had less pitch to the kicks that’d be good, but it works out fine for me, as I don’t skate wheels bigger than 54, and usually 52, also preferring lo trucks.
I know some smart fools that are into pitch angle, and it works for them. I’m trying to go the other way, where I just pic one dimension and it works. The closest two dimensions for this, for me, are length or width. If a board is 31.3 ish, it’ll be good. Haven’t had a bad one, truefit is trying my patience a bit.
Godspeed
I think the length was listed under 32. But it's basically the EXACT length of a dlx 8.38 14.5 WB. 32.25 I think?
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Anyone else live with their significant other and as the pile of gear accumulates, they just stop acknowledging it? Like they slowly realize how nuts you are and just found it in themselves to accept it? It's like she makes extra eye contact with me when were around my gear just so she doesn't have to look at the madness.
Yes, yes I do... First it was the shoes, then it was the shirts, now it's the pants. My gear madness is getting out of control at this point, I've already changed shoes 5 times today and probably will do more. I'm literally just sitting at a computer most of the day and occasionally getting up to tour the factory, I've really lost my mind at this point.
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Dudes, I think it’s finally here, my moment of cure.
I’ve been thinking about going back to a single setup for a while now. Today I had a great session on my go-to setup, and I truly feel like I’m done with the madness.
I’ve disassembled all my unnecessary gear and laid it out, ready to take some pictures and put advertisements on my country’s local eBay equivalent.
As I was taking stuff apart, every slight thought of ‘maybe I could keep one additional setup for [pumptrack/curbs/slappies/whatever]’ was immediately overthrown by a strong ‘I can do that with my current setup’.
Tomorrow I’ll be putting up
- 3 decks, only skated a few times
- 6 pairs of trucks, some skated a few months, some only a few days, all still very usable
- 3 pairs of wheels, some cruisers and some street wheels, all not worn a mm of their original size
It actually feels like quite a relief having made this decision :)
I may put them up here as well; it’s supposed to go in the ‘classifieds’ board right?
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Yeah, but if you don’t tell us what your setup is…then no
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Dudes, I think it’s finally here, my moment of cure.
Lol
(https://media.tenor.com/EfnOW4LjUhwAAAAC/first-time-james-franco.gif)
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I am so torn between ACE AF1 44 and Thunder 148 Team Standard. I have Ace AF1s 60s on my big boi and I really like them but for this board maybe thunder would make more sense. also then i could complete the trifecta of Thunder / Ace / Venture to complete my set...
Seems like Classic 51mm is the wheel i need / can get easily locally... was thinking about a lot of other stuff but that was too mad of a rabbit hole to jump down and F4 99a seems to just work for this anyway but also like a fuck ton of other things...
At first I was thinking I want the very slickest soapiest thing possible cause i just skate this setup at a curb mostly but now I am starting to think why dont i just wax the curb more and get Thunders and have more control over the noseslides?
My existing setup: Indy Titanium with Bones STF worn to 47mm. conical full shape i think? pretty wide riding surface, i think they started @ like 56mm. I find this setup is actually too slippery for some spots.
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^^ Been riding royals and 99a spits and my board sounds dead; was contemplating swapping to forged ti thunders and bones stf (fuck those knees) to get that tinny/hard feeling....
Then, the madness happened and I was having a dream about swapping in my ACE 44 lows....contemplating following the dream.
Help.
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On the topic of the tinny/hard feeling, today I've found out how much shoes can influence this.
I've been riding old reynolds G6 shoes for a while now, the sole is super thick over the whole shoe, no board feel whatsoever.
The shoes apparently made every setup feel like I'm on 97a or even softer wheels. I've been riding F4 99a, stf 99a and 97a, and there wasn't a big difference, just in terms of vibrations of course. Had to go all the way to dragons to notice the extra smoothness really.
Then I switched to thin vulcs in the middle of the session and my 99a wheels suddenly felt like 103a, it felt terrible. Then stepped on my girlfriends board with 97a's and there was a huge difference I couldn't feel before because of the shoes absorbing all vibrations.
It's nice to feel my board again, though.
Also on the topic of madness, I'm back in the wheel madness now due to pollen making the ramps 10 times more slippery.
I thought I've found the solution with wide F4 99a wheels and sold my bones 97s, but pollen ruined it. Now I might have to buy another set of x formula or even dragons. Not sure.
Do wheel shapes actually make a big difference in terms of locking in on coping?
Would probably get bones 97s in either V1 or V5. Dragons might be smarter but I just don't want to be the guy riding dragons in the miniramp, I feel too young for that
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Do wheel shapes actually make a big difference in terms of locking in on coping?
Holy hell, dude. Not to open another gate to hell for you, but they absolutely do. Think about something like a Spitfire Classic. Rounded-off sides. Think of that against, well, round coping. It will "slip" out with ease. Now think about about a more squared-off wheel. Those will "lock" a bit more. That said, it really depends on what your preference is. A few places I notice big differences between the two:
Pivot to fakies / No-handed nose pic to fwd: For these, I like a Classic type wheel better, because they seem to "disengage" with the coping much easier. Some times with a more squared-off wheel, my board seems to have a slight hesitation before breaking with the coping, and I don't like the feel of it (kind of unsettling on those kind of tricks). Can also notice a difference with something like Pivot-to-Tails. With Classics they almost feel like just doing a kickturn. With squared-off, you have to use a little force get from truck to tail.
Feeble to fakies / Smiths / Crooks / Etc: I like Classics better with these, too. The slanted edge of the wheel feels like it makes more contact against coping (but can also slip out a bit more). Feeble to fakie on squared-off wheels feel like I am going up on the tip/pin-point outer edge of wheel when I bring them back in--and it's a little weird.
5-0s / 50-50s / etc.: Def like squared-off more for these. They absolutely lock-in better, esp. when first going into a 5-0 grind.
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On the topic of the tinny/hard feeling, today I've found out how much shoes can influence this.
I've been riding old reynolds G6 shoes for a while now, the sole is super thick over the whole shoe, no board feel whatsoever.
The shoes apparently made every setup feel like I'm on 97a or even softer wheels. I've been riding F4 99a, stf 99a and 97a, and there wasn't a big difference, just in terms of vibrations of course. Had to go all the way to dragons to notice the extra smoothness really.
Then I switched to thin vulcs in the middle of the session and my 99a wheels suddenly felt like 103a, it felt terrible. Then stepped on my girlfriends board with 97a's and there was a huge difference I couldn't feel before because of the shoes absorbing all vibrations.
It's nice to feel my board again, though.
Also on the topic of madness, I'm back in the wheel madness now due to pollen making the ramps 10 times more slippery.
I thought I've found the solution with wide F4 99a wheels and sold my bones 97s, but pollen ruined it. Now I might have to buy another set of x formula or even dragons. Not sure.
Do wheel shapes actually make a big difference in terms of locking in on coping?
Would probably get bones 97s in either V1 or V5. Dragons might be smarter but I just don't want to be the guy riding dragons in the miniramp, I feel too young for that
Shoes do dampen board sound feel for sure, in this case just dropping the board (standing on a kick and letting it drop), it just sounds dead...I was riding the truck/wheel combo before my current zero deck and it wasn't this bad....the BBS zero board just might be soggy from the start.
Wheels 100% help or hinder locking in.
V5 / classics are great for rolling on and off coping, since we're talking mini here, I'd opt for the V5 x97s; I prefer sidecut/conical for coping and classics/V1 for all terrain stuff.
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Do wheel shapes actually make a big difference in terms of locking in on coping?
Holy hell, dude. Not to open another gate to hell for you, but they absolutely do. Think about something like a Spitfire Classic. Rounded-off sides. Think of that against, well, round coping. It will "slip" out with ease. Now think about about a more squared-off wheel. Those will "lock" a bit more. That said, it really depends on what your preference is. A few places I notice big differences between the two:
Pivot to fakies / No-handed nose pic to fwd: For these, I like a Classic type wheel better, because they seem to "disengage" with the coping much easier. Some times with a more squared-off wheel, my board seems to have a slight hesitation before breaking with the coping, and I don't like the feel of it (kind of unsettling on those kind of tricks). Can also notice a difference with something like Pivot-to-Tails. With Classics they almost feel like just doing a kickturn. With squared-off, you have to use a little force get from truck to tail.
Feeble to fakies / Smiths / Crooks / Etc: I like Classics better with these, too. The slanted edge of the wheel feels like it makes more contact against coping (but can also slip out a bit more). Feeble to fakie on squared-off wheels feel like I am going up on the tip/pin-point outer edge of wheel when I bring them back in--and it's a little weird.
5-0s / 50-50s / etc.: Def like squared-off more for these. They absolutely lock-in better, esp. when first going into a 5-0 grind.
They make a difference but I find it takes very little to adjust to these differences. I wouldn't over-think wheel shape. Contact patch width has more of an impact for me.
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I wouldn't over-think wheel shape.
You do realize this is the madness thread, right? This where people come to over-think everything.
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I’ve blown up both of my setups numerous times in the past few days. Finally settled on my cruiser setup at least. Now I have to wait on my f4s and loopholes to arrive so I can concentrate on my trick deck. I’ve tried mini logo 90a, slime balls 97a, shop wheels, and bones 100s on it and I hate them all.
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I wouldn't over-think wheel shape.
You do realize this is the madness thread, right? This where people come to over-think everything.
I'm trying to help, man... :-X
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I wouldn't over-think wheel shape.
You do realize this is the madness thread, right? This where people come to over-think everything.
I'm trying to help, man... :-X
Fair. :)
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I wouldn't over-think wheel shape.
Oh I totally would. Here we go. Looking at it like that, how the wheel actually comes into contact with coping (assuming about 2" coping here), the V5 would be the worst and just slip over the coping, and even lock ins seem like they'd lock in kinda worse than a V3. Am I thinking about this totally wrong here? I'm totally a V3 lover, currently riding them in 99a and wish they'd make the x formula in this shape. It's just perfect everywhere except rough ground.
(https://i.ibb.co/L5vYFkb/Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-31-um-00-19-18.png) (https://ibb.co/L5vYFkb)
So now I'm thinking about going with 97a in V1 instead of V5, even though my actual experience tells me V5s lock in perfectly fine!
Edit: better picture, grey would be the truck hanger. Now the V5-lock looks much better than above
(https://i.ibb.co/Wc8F1B1/Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-31-um-01-27-33.png) (https://ibb.co/Wc8F1B1)
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I wouldn't over-think wheel shape.
Oh I totally would. Here we go. Looking at it like that, how the wheel actually comes into contact with coping (assuming about 2" coping here), the V5 would be the worst and just slip over the coping, and even lock ins seem like they'd lock in kinda worse than a V3. Am I thinking about this totally wrong here? I'm totally a V3 lover, currently riding them in 99a and wish they'd make the x formula in this shape. It's just perfect everywhere except rough ground.
(https://i.ibb.co/L5vYFkb/Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-31-um-00-19-18.png) (https://ibb.co/L5vYFkb)
So now I'm thinking about going with 97a in V1 instead of V5, even though my actual experience tells me V5s lock in perfectly fine!
Edit: better picture, grey would be the truck hanger. Now the V5-lock looks much better than above
(https://i.ibb.co/Wc8F1B1/Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-31-um-01-27-33.png) (https://ibb.co/Wc8F1B1)
We're peering through the other end of the telescope my friend
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Re wheel shape, same as others have said, but it was an interesting experience the other day.
At this one park, the bowl more often than not has quite slippery (waxy) coping, and I just didn't feel like grinds were balanced, more often than not ending up in the back seat and letting them go / jumping off, especially compared to some other places that are not waxy and actually grind, not truck slide.
Anyway, that was all on my usual Classic shape which are great everywhere else and grind for days on normal coping. Then I tried another almost identical setup I had in the car, but that board had Conical Full wheels on it that I had not changed / altered at all, so what do you know, I actually stayed on and it was like I had brake pads on my wheels, when compared to the Classics on the same coping.
So yes, it can definitely make a difference in how things work, if you are used to it, or not so used to it.
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Am I thinking about this totally wrong here?
Maybe? I am not a physics guy, at all, so i could be totally off here....but I feel like the V3 might be able to slide off the coping much easier (roll up/off of it), because of the wheel shape. Think about plate tectonics where one plate slides under/over another, rather than rubbing against more at a direct angle...I feel like that's what the V3 is here, and it might "slip out" more??? I know my Classics don't "lock" as good on round coping as Conicals, Tablets, etc. If I had to Smith/Feeble/Crook a round rail, I think I'd want Classics/V3. If I was going to 50-50/5-0 it, I think I'd want something more squared off. Does this make any sense, or am I just crazy?
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
gear sadness
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
gear sadness
😭😭😭
Pretty much lol
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
gear sadness
Pretty much lol
firm agreement
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
gear sadness
That is the definition of having everything you want but not being able to skate any more, or not being able to skate enough to use it.
I feel like that sometimes, especially when I think about something or somewhere I used to skate that I would really enjoy and not be too afraid, like I am now, such as big bowls or something similar.
Not to worry though. I just remember it is better to still be able to roll around more than it is to be able to do certain tricks or hit certain things, so as long as I can do that, I am still going to be happy enough to deal with everything else going on.
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
gear sadness
That is the definition of having everything you want but not being able to skate any more, or not being able to skate enough to use it.
I feel like that sometimes, especially when I think about something or somewhere I used to skate that I would really enjoy and not be too afraid, like I am now, such as big bowls or something similar.
Not to worry though. I just remember it is better to still be able to roll around more than it is to be able to do certain tricks or hit certain things, so as long as I can do that, I am still going to be happy enough to deal with everything else going on.
Totally. I started at 35 and my body holds me back the most. So I leaned heavily into gear at first, as if I could buy my way into being a “real” skater.
I’m 245 lbs and 6’4 and years of physical labor and playing basketball in school has destroyed my knees. Plus the weight don’t help.
Luckily I love rolling around on tennis courts. I can do that for hours without doing a single trick. It feels good just to get better at actually riding 😃
One thing I enjoy about skateboarding is it can be whatever you want it to be.
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
gear sadness
That is the definition of having everything you want but not being able to skate any more, or not being able to skate enough to use it.
I feel like that sometimes, especially when I think about something or somewhere I used to skate that I would really enjoy and not be too afraid, like I am now, such as big bowls or something similar.
Not to worry though. I just remember it is better to still be able to roll around more than it is to be able to do certain tricks or hit certain things, so as long as I can do that, I am still going to be happy enough to deal with everything else going on.
I’m 245 lbs and 6’4 and years of physical labor and playing basketball in school has destroyed my knees. Plus the weight don’t help.
Luckily I love rolling around on tennis courts. I can do that for hours without doing a single trick. It feels good just to get better at actually riding 😃
One thing I enjoy about skateboarding is it can be whatever you want it to be.
Heard someone the other day ask this kid how good they were at skating. It made me think that it doesn’t really matter, the real question you need to ask yourself is how much fun/enjoyment it brings you.
If rolling around brings you that joy, then you’re great at skateboarding. Have loads of gear? Sweet, that’s what brings you joy. ☺️
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What cured my madness is realizing that I was only confusing myself by always switching shit up, and that I was doing it cause I felt like other areas of my life were out of my control.
I’ve been stressed lately and the madness is trying to come back. So I’ve spent the last two hours on Tactics looking at gear.
Didn’t buy anything, though. I’m just over switching gear. Need to find another way to cope with life.
gear sadness
That is the definition of having everything you want but not being able to skate any more, or not being able to skate enough to use it.
I feel like that sometimes, especially when I think about something or somewhere I used to skate that I would really enjoy and not be too afraid, like I am now, such as big bowls or something similar.
Not to worry though. I just remember it is better to still be able to roll around more than it is to be able to do certain tricks or hit certain things, so as long as I can do that, I am still going to be happy enough to deal with everything else going on.
I’m 245 lbs and 6’4 and years of physical labor and playing basketball in school has destroyed my knees. Plus the weight don’t help.
Luckily I love rolling around on tennis courts. I can do that for hours without doing a single trick. It feels good just to get better at actually riding 😃
One thing I enjoy about skateboarding is it can be whatever you want it to be.
Heard someone the other day ask this kid how good they were at skating. It made me think that it doesn’t really matter, the real question you need to ask yourself is how much fun/enjoyment it brings you.
If rolling around brings you that joy, then you’re great at skateboarding. Have loads of gear? Sweet, that’s what brings you joy. ☺️
I’m mildly self conscious about my lack of skill and reading this made me really happy. I don’t think I’ve learned a new trick in close to a year but I’ve had fun every time I stepped on the board in that same timeframe.
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I even think doing the same tricks on different stuff is actually a pretty solid way of enjoying skating. Trying new things and tinkering is fun too.
The part that I don't see constructive is inducing an unhealthy level of of stress upon oneself.
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I even think doing the same tricks on different stuff is actually a pretty solid way of enjoying skating. Trying new things and tinkering is fun too.
The part that I don't see constructive is inducing an unhealthy level of of stress upon oneself.
Tinkering is fun. It becomes dangerous when you say, “If I change this, I’ll be better at that.” Outside of major changes like going from an 8 to 8.5, or changing truck brands, a lot of it doesn’t matter.
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I'm starting to feed the madness again. Came home from a session, and I notice my axle is bent. Dont even have that deep of a k-grind groove. So I swapped to some indys I have laying around. I just hate how they are kinda unstable at center, and turn so easly. My luck with Thunder has been terrible. Broken kingpins, and now bent axle. Kinda dont want to buy them again. I guess venture is the most similar?
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I'm starting to feed the madness again. Came home from a session, and I notice my axle is bent. Dont even have that deep of a k-grind groove. So I swapped to some indys I have laying around. I just hate how they are kinda unstable at center, and turn so easly. My luck with Thunder has been terrible. Broken kingpins, and now bent axle. Kinda dont want to buy them again. I guess venture is the most similar?
Highly recommend Ventures. The stability is so helpful while setting up. They turn just fine, too.
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I'm starting to feed the madness again. Came home from a session, and I notice my axle is bent. Dont even have that deep of a k-grind groove. So I swapped to some indys I have laying around. I just hate how they are kinda unstable at center, and turn so easly. My luck with Thunder has been terrible. Broken kingpins, and now bent axle. Kinda dont want to buy them again. I guess venture is the most similar?
Highly recommend Ventures. The stability is so helpful while setting up. They turn just fine, too.
From working in and around skate shops for 20+ years, I would go as far as to say "Everything breaks" so if the Thunder brand truck works for you besides broken kingpins or bent axles, going to a different truck might not really solve anything.
That said, I know I have definitely had bad experiences in the past, not just skateboarding, that puts me off something or someone for good, so by all means give something else a go.
As said, Venture is more stable and a lot of people skate the trucks, so something new could be the answer here too and you might find they work well and then you stick with them, especially if right now you are looking at buying a new set of something.
In the mean time, using slightly harder bushings on Indy would definitely firm up the turn on your existing trucks, even if it is just a temporary fix until you source a new set of trucks. You might be surprised how much more stable they can feel on harder bushings, but yes they will turn a lot more than Ventures and a bit more than Thunder, depending on how you have them set up.
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Are you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?
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Are you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?
People think they do, but it's most likely in combination with other changes. Who actually gets the exact same deck with only a 1/8 wb difference? Same steepness and every other spec...
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Are you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?
Yea, most of the time it isnt just the WB changing.
even if the boards are the same width/length, the kick steepness and fingers of flat play a big role in feel.
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Are you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?
Yah this- like if I went from 14.25 with mellow kicks to 14.38 with steep I'll notice but if everything is the same I'll get used to it fast. Now if I did the same and switched brands, like I did going from a Sci Fi to a Girl where there was way more flat before the kicks, it will feel insane.
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Are you guys really noticing 1/8" of a wheelbase change in your boards? Thinking about going from a 14.38 to a 14.25 and before i order the deck im wondering if its actually a big deal and something I'll even notice. If so what are the actual changes I'll feel?
Yea, most of the time it isnt just the WB changing.
even if the boards are the same width/length, the kick steepness and fingers of flat play a big role in feel.
Yeah. Also it seems like I need to adjust my trucks when I change shapes. Cause the turning feels different. It’s weird.
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I have a set of bones reds that are nice and broken in. Cleaned and re-lubed them. Now they only keep speed in one set of softer wheels I have. I’ve tried them in almost every other set of wheels I have and three whole ass kicks will get me maybe 20 feet. Sometimes I fucking hate skateboards.
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I have a set of bones reds that are nice and broken in. Cleaned and re-lubed them. Now they only keep speed in one set of softer wheels I have. I’ve tried them in almost every other set of wheels I have and three whole ass kicks will get me maybe 20 feet. Sometimes I fucking hate skateboards.
yeah i hate skateboards too, but not as much as i hate reds.
i’ve never had a good set of reds. i’m
currently swiss, and then on another setup mini logos. the swiss are better in every way, but the mini logos are better than the other brands of bearing i’ve had recently.
i’d like to get some swiss 6, and try ceramics, but i’ll probably not, my skating doesn’t deserve or need any of that.
i do not like reds.
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Swiss cost twice as much as Reds and last for years and years. Unless you really can't afford the $50-60 for Swiss (I always wait for a sale), it's "pennywise, pound foolish" to be buying cheapo bearings after cheapo bearings.
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Swiss cost twice as much as Reds and last for years and years. Unless you really can't afford the $50-60 for Swiss (I always wait for a sale), it's "pennywise, pound foolish" to be buying cheapo bearings after cheapo bearings.
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I want some Swiss. But my Bronson G3s still work great after 7 months. Maybe one day. I feel like my gear last forever since I only skate a few hours a week 😭
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I have a set of bones reds that are nice and broken in. Cleaned and re-lubed them. Now they only keep speed in one set of softer wheels I have. I’ve tried them in almost every other set of wheels I have and three whole ass kicks will get me maybe 20 feet. Sometimes I fucking hate skateboards.
yeah i hate skateboards too, but not as much as i hate reds.
i’ve never had a good set of reds. i’m
currently swiss, and then on another setup mini logos. the swiss are better in every way, but the mini logos are better than the other brands of bearing i’ve had recently.
i’d like to get some swiss 6, and try ceramics, but i’ll probably not, my skating doesn’t deserve or need any of that.
i do not like reds.
I got some mini logo bearings that broke in pretty much instantly. Also have a set of globes that were rusted out. Soaked ‘em in windex, re-lubed, and now they fly. I dunno, I tend to have bad luck with “nice” things (reds), and good luck with shitty things.
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Swiss cost twice as much as Reds and last for years and years. Unless you really can't afford the $50-60 for Swiss (I always wait for a sale), it's "pennywise, pound foolish" to be buying cheapo bearings after cheapo bearings.
buy nice or buy twice
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Swiss 6 or nothing.
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I’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later
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I don't see what you would gain unless you want a higher truck for some reason. Worry about discontinuation when it actually happens if it happens. I feel if you find your happy place with truck choice just stay there.
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I’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned
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I’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned
Alright now class, what we have here is a great example of an enabler.
But yea, try it all and then realize what you started on was fine and you were riding it for a reason.
Or just skip straight to the last step.
edit: in all seriousness though, as someone who has tried it all and still struggles with madness, def DO NOT change shit up for no reason or just out of curiosity, because that will never end. If you have a legit reason or some performance aspect of your board you want to change intentionally then go for it. But i wouldnt suggest experimenting just for the sake of it if everything is working the way you want.
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I’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned
Alright now class, what we have here is a great example of an enabler.
But yea, try it all and then realize what you started on was fine and you were riding it for a reason.
Or just skip straight to the last step.
edit: in all seriousness though, as someone who has tried it all and still struggles with madness, def DO NOT change shit up for no reason or just out of curiosity, because that will never end. If you have a legit reason or some performance aspect of your board you want to change intentionally then go for it. But i wouldnt suggest experimenting just for the sake of it if everything is working the way you want.
For sure!!!
At any rate, the Royal truck thread just hit 30 pages, so I would imagine someone in there would have had Ace low trucks and Royal trucks, so they might be able to help a bit more.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=119099.0
Off the top of my head, I couldn't say who exactly, but I am thinking of a few people like maybe Xen or Rocklobster, but didn't want to tag them directly in case I was thinking of someone else on here.
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All valid and good points, I’ll prolly run with aces until I can’t my hands on them anymore
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I'm not sure what thread this info goes best in, but for you Egg and general shape riders, Tactics now includes the width over the front and back truck on shape deck listings
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I’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned
Alright now class, what we have here is a great example of an enabler.
But yea, try it all and then realize what you started on was fine and you were riding it for a reason.
Or just skip straight to the last step.
edit: in all seriousness though, as someone who has tried it all and still struggles with madness, def DO NOT change shit up for no reason or just out of curiosity, because that will never end. If you have a legit reason or some performance aspect of your board you want to change intentionally then go for it. But i wouldnt suggest experimenting just for the sake of it if everything is working the way you want.
I keep one setup exactly how I like it and then have a cruiser to experiment on. Balances out the madness a bit
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I’ve been on ace lows for a bit now really liking them, but the more and more I peruse the new royal thread I can feel the madness setting in, I’m concerned with the bushing and other aspects of the royals but it’s still enticing me to try them out, I had to switch to the ace hard low bushings for my current setup so switching out bushings isn’t really a deal breaker for me, should I switch up? Or stay the course til ace decides to discontinue the lows? Which I can see happening sooner or later
You need to try every truck brand and bushing combo before you can know for sure. Leave no stone unturned
Alright now class, what we have here is a great example of an enabler.
But yea, try it all and then realize what you started on was fine and you were riding it for a reason.
Or just skip straight to the last step.
edit: in all seriousness though, as someone who has tried it all and still struggles with madness, def DO NOT change shit up for no reason or just out of curiosity, because that will never end. If you have a legit reason or some performance aspect of your board you want to change intentionally then go for it. But i wouldnt suggest experimenting just for the sake of it if everything is working the way you want.
I keep one setup exactly how I like it and then have a cruiser to experiment on. Balances out the madness a bit
Yea, cruisers are a good way to experiment safely.
I've got a zip zinger, grimple egg, and polarizer for cruiser setups.
i love them all.
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I'm not sure what thread this info goes best in, but for you Egg and general shape riders, Tactics now includes the width over the front and back truck on shape deck listings
Could post in all of them, including the Woodshop thread, the Egg thread, the 9+ big boards thread because they are the ones relevant to shaped boards, which are not always but usually bigger by width too.
Thanks for the info!!
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* I had a look and ran with it, so not everything yet, but definitely some boards, just happened to check the Krooked boards as they were more recent than some others, but I posted in those threads with relevant examples. It really does make it way easier for the people who are very particular about their truck widths and wheels under, or showing.
Example:
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/barbee-bird-nest-95-rays-street-shape-skateboard-deck/navy
SPECS
SIZE 9.5
FRONT WIDTH (IN): 9.0
CENTER WIDTH (IN): 9.5
BACK WIDTH (IN): 8.0
LENGTH (IN): 31.75
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.25
NOSE (IN): 6.875
TAIL (IN): 6.5
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
For context I’m 5’8, size 10.5, and fairly muscular at 190. I rode 8.5 for a while and switched over to 8-8.25” and yeah, flip tricks are a whole hell of a lot easier.
That could be your bud’s concave/kicks/wb though. You can size down and get different dims and feel totally different. You could stay at 8.5” and get a board with his shape and all and it could be perfect. I guess my point is you could straight up copy his setup and be really happy, but I’d also try to experiment and see what that magic ingredient is.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness
You'd probably be fine. I skate 8.38-8.5, skate mostly ledges and have size 13 feet/am 6ft5. I have a smaller 8inch setup with venture lows that feels really really good for a lot of flatground. Can't make it my main board because my feet drag too much on nose/tailslides on ledges because the kicks are just too small. But since you have more normal size feet I think a full ish nose n tail on a smaller board should be totally fine.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness
I mostly skate ledges, flat bars, kicker jumps and hips. Don't really skate transition that much other than 5-0 grinds, axles and rock to fakies to navigate the park, with the occasional mini-ramp shenanigans. As far as hucking goes, not really. I'll do some tricks down the 5 stairs but nothing bigger than that for the most part.
Funny you'd mention 144s, I asked the same friend if his plates were forged or standard and he said he has a barely used set of 144s forged titaniums he'd be willing to give me for free. So I might just do that. I still have two unskated 8.38 decks so I might set them up on the 144s and see if I wanna go any smaller from there.
Thanks a lot for the responses guys, much appreciated!
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness
I mostly skate ledges, flat bars, kicker jumps and hips. Don't really skate transition that much other than 5-0 grinds, axles and rock to fakies to navigate the park, with the occasional mini-ramp shenanigans. As far as hucking goes, not really. I'll do some tricks down the 5 stairs but nothing bigger than that for the most part.
Funny you'd mention 144s, I asked the same friend if his plates were forged or standard and he said he has a barely used set of 144s forged titaniums he'd be willing to give me for free. So I might just do that. I still have two unskated 8.38 decks so I might set them up on the 144s and see if I wanna go any smaller from there.
Thanks a lot for the responses guys, much appreciated!
I skate your current setup but I am 6 foot 3. Flip tricks are easier on a smaller board, but only when popped kinda low. I've found sizing down to be worse for me, but I am on 148s/144s right now. Suciu skates 148s on a huge kicked 14.38WB 8.383 and isn't a ton bigger than you.
I did ride 8-8.125 with 139s for a few years when returning to skating. I could skate slow or smaller stuff fine, but I got better pop and stability from a bigger deck and adapted everything else over time.
Personally I would duplicate his setup or ride it a few more times. There is a huge novelty effect I notice when you skate a setup with no expectations and things just go right. Then you skate it 3, 4, or 5 more times and over time that fades and you notice all the flaws.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness
I mostly skate ledges, flat bars, kicker jumps and hips. Don't really skate transition that much other than 5-0 grinds, axles and rock to fakies to navigate the park, with the occasional mini-ramp shenanigans. As far as hucking goes, not really. I'll do some tricks down the 5 stairs but nothing bigger than that for the most part.
Funny you'd mention 144s, I asked the same friend if his plates were forged or standard and he said he has a barely used set of 144s forged titaniums he'd be willing to give me for free. So I might just do that. I still have two unskated 8.38 decks so I might set them up on the 144s and see if I wanna go any smaller from there.
Thanks a lot for the responses guys, much appreciated!
Yo! thats a come up right there. def take him up on that haha
Will make your 8.38 flip a little easier.
Id still suggest trying them on an 8.25 though. maybe 8
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Really depends on what you skate most. If you're more of a big transition guy or you like to huck a lot, i probably wouldnt size down.
Maybe try a standard 8.25 popsicle shape with some forged indy 144s (maybe titaniums if you want to go lighter) and see how you like it?
If you want to go smaller you could still totally run an 8 or 8.1 on the 144s no prob
I also just noticed you were riding thunder 149s, which give a VERY different pop feel from indys. That could be the difference you're looking for as well. Might not be all about size.
idk
madness madness madness
I mostly skate ledges, flat bars, kicker jumps and hips. Don't really skate transition that much other than 5-0 grinds, axles and rock to fakies to navigate the park, with the occasional mini-ramp shenanigans. As far as hucking goes, not really. I'll do some tricks down the 5 stairs but nothing bigger than that for the most part.
Funny you'd mention 144s, I asked the same friend if his plates were forged or standard and he said he has a barely used set of 144s forged titaniums he'd be willing to give me for free. So I might just do that. I still have two unskated 8.38 decks so I might set them up on the 144s and see if I wanna go any smaller from there.
Thanks a lot for the responses guys, much appreciated!
Yo! thats a come up right there. def take him up on that haha
Will make your 8.38 flip a little easier.
Id still suggest trying them on an 8.25 though. maybe 8
Yeah, 144s are amazing. They ride on anything 8-8.5 pretty well. If you get forged/hollow/titanium you trim a bit of weight too. But yeah, I can second the 8.25 rec, it’s a pretty sweet spot. And if you don’t dig it the go up or down accordingly and the 144s can go with you.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Pretty much the same for me...
After having skated 8.0 for a long time and 139 trucks, I wanted to change size and I switched to a Baker 8.125 with Thunder 148..
I am 5.7 and 8 for foot size, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
Having taken over trucks in 139, everything was much easier and recently with a board in 8 even more.. but the lack of space to land scares me! I wonder if I should not try the 8.06 from real! But on the other hand, I like Thunder, and it bothers me a lot to see them almost new and that I don't skate them.. (the 148*), maybe I should try them with an 8.125-8.25 with a fairly short wheelbase and a length of 31.25..
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I am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
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I am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
When you wake up on earth but spend the day on Jupiter
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I am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
When you wake up on earth but spend the day on Jupiter
Sorry I made a mistake while writing this message.. 😂
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I am 5.7 and 8 foot tall, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
When you wake up on earth but spend the day on Jupiter
Sorry I made a mistake while writing this message.. 😂
whatever you say Mr. Giant Frenchman.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Pretty much the same for me...
After having skated 8.0 for a long time and 139 trucks, I wanted to change size and I switched to a Baker 8.125 with Thunder 148..
I am 5.7 and 8 for foot size, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
Having taken over trucks in 139, everything was much easier and recently with a board in 8 even more.. but the lack of space to land scares me! I wonder if I should not try the 8.06 from real! But on the other hand, I like Thunder, and it bothers me a lot to see them almost new and that I don't skate them.. (the 148*), maybe I should try them with an 8.125-8.25 with a fairly short wheelbase and a length of 31.25..
The 148s go really well with the Girl and Chocolate 8.125s and 8.25s. I rode those on Indys but they felt way better on my homies Thunders. Just my experience.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, if not let me know.
My question is for people who have sized down their setup. Did it affect your ledge and gap game at all?
I'm asking because I snapped my board on my last session and played a game of skate on my friends board. He rides an 8" board with titanium indys 139s (not sure if it was forged or standard plates)
Flip tricks were so freaking easy on his setup. I'm usually not very consistent with my flat game, and with this setup I was basically landing almost everything first try, even tricks I usually struggle with.
I'm currently riding mostly 8.3/8 boards with thunder 149s, and now this has me wanting to switch my shit to something smaller. I was eyeing a krooked Cromer egg that's 8.25 but seems to taper a lot, so I'm thinking it might be good to make the transition to smaller boards. Probably would buy some Thunder 147s with that.
I'm about 5'8 and wear a size 9 shoe, if that's got anything to do with anything...
Pretty much the same for me...
After having skated 8.0 for a long time and 139 trucks, I wanted to change size and I switched to a Baker 8.125 with Thunder 148..
I am 5.7 and 8 for foot size, and I must admit that my board was heavy and had a lot of trouble on certain flip tricks.. the 360 flips are horrible with this setup..
Having taken over trucks in 139, everything was much easier and recently with a board in 8 even more.. but the lack of space to land scares me! I wonder if I should not try the 8.06 from real! But on the other hand, I like Thunder, and it bothers me a lot to see them almost new and that I don't skate them.. (the 148*), maybe I should try them with an 8.125-8.25 with a fairly short wheelbase and a length of 31.25..
The 148s go really well with the Girl and Chocolate 8.125s and 8.25s. I rode those on Indys but they felt way better on my homies Thunders. Just my experience.
I recently rode a Girl 8.25 with a 14wb on Thunder 148s and it was quite possibly the best setup I’ve ever ridden for most things. Serious match made in Heaven type of thing.
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Yo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol
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Yo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol
This thread is mostly about the function of gear, not so much the fashion of it. That said, if skateboarding has anything to teach, it's "be yourself." To that end, wear what you are comfortable with, and don't worry about how it "looks."
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Yo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol
This thread is mostly about the function of gear, not so much the fashion of it. That said, if skateboarding has anything to teach, it's "be yourself." To that end, wear what you are comfortable with, and don't worry about how it "looks."
i like the response.
i’m short, i have disproportionately short legs, and a long torso. so i should dress like elijah, to compensate (i don’t). pulling the pants up higher, would give the impression of elongating my legs, and shortening my torso.
i think a straight fit looks best, 501s etc. but…ya gotta be young and make silly choices. the baggy thing that many are doing, although a great response to the skinnies, is now kinda…
i know well the horrible state of being so uncomfortable, about most everything, that the pants make going outside, a chore. best of luck, hopefully you are able to give up any notion of looking cool.
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...best of luck, hopefully you are able to give up any notion of looking cool.
"If you can be not afraid to be laughed at, you could do so many things." -Gonz
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Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
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Yo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol
Fellow short king (with short legs as well), but I’m average bordering on dad bod. Not sure if there super committed to wearing looser clothes but imo ditch the baggy clothes it’ll just make you look shorter. I’ve been wearing Uniqlo stretch selvedge jeans I think they’re slim straight cut and their shirts are actually better fitting for short dudes since they’re a Japanese brand. All of the shirts I have from them aren’t too long at all. Go down one size for Uniqlo U branded stuff.
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Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
This entire thread has a lot to teach. One of the big take-a-ways, however, is that there is no magic bullet. Moreover, if you are afraid to try things, skateboarding probably isn't the best choice for you. And to somewhat contradict that last statement, as been said over and over and over by anyone afflicted by the Madness...if you want your skating to remain consistent, don't fuck around (too much) with your equipment. Once you find what works, stick with it.
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Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
This entire thread has a lot to teach. One of the big take-a-ways, however, is that there is no magic bullet. Moreover, if you are afraid to try things, skateboarding probably isn't the best choice for you. And to somewhat contradict that last statement, as been said over and over and over by anyone afflicted by the Madness...if you want your skating to remain consistent, don't fuck around (too much) with your equipment. Once you find what works, stick with it.
Very solid advice. I was talking to a local guy who absolutely rips yesterday. He has zero madness whatsoever. He skates Indy and spit, bones, stock everything. His big lesson was first and foremost, find a concave/size/wheelbase you dig and then just skate. Experiment here and there but when something clicks, keep using it.
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Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
yo. you’ve been going at this for a minute on here: you want to skate a wider board/trucks, it doesn’t work as well for you (by your admission), you keep coming back to ask for more of the same justifications, for you to buy and ride the bigger setup (which i think you’ve done? and said it didn’t work, right?)
there are no hard metrics for body size and setup size.
skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.
this is the support thread. i have been in your position, if not a more extreme version: i’m probably best at the skating i do now, on a 7.8 ish board, and 5.0 lo’s/145s or a very few 8” trucks (5.2 lo’s/147s/old 8” royals), and 52 or smaller wheels. the skaters i admired the most locally, skated bigger setups: 8.25-8.5, 149s, 54s. looks cool/butch/macho, and makes more sense for the rough stuff. i tried to goldilocks that shit together and sometimes it worked for a moment. but if i get on an embarrassingly small board it’s all gonna workout easy/better (aside from riding over rough ground, there will always be trade-offs).
so i sympathize when i say this: stop fucking about, go skate. you can’t land your shit, because you (and me), are spending time posting about a small difference instead of skating. go skate fucker.
respectfully.
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Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
I don't think height and ideal board width have any correlation. But length for sure.
You can skate a short 9" deck just like a short 8". Just try a fat short deck and be happy
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Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
respectfully.
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so i sympathize when i say this: stop fucking about, go skate. you can’t land your shit, because you (and me), are spending time posting about a small difference instead of skating. go skate fucker.
respectfully.
Thank you ok for saying what we're all thinking. Someone please gnar this man for me. 🙏
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...skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.
This, exactly, has become a source of recent wheel madness for me. I am under no illusion that a 52mm Conical is going to make me skate substantively better than a 53mm Classic, but I am trying to figure which simply "feels better." The answer?
"This is no answer. There never was an answer. There never will be an answer. That is the answer." -Harry Dean Stanton
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Following the previous conversation, in your opinion, A short skater should skate a thin board (7.75 up to 8.125) with 129/139 trucks to skate better ?
I want to switch like many people to an 8.25 board with 144 trucks but I'm afraid that my skating will regress..
And I have the impression that many pros who are short skate small sizes.. isn't it easy to coordinate the morphology with our board ?
yo. you’ve been going at this for a minute on here: you want to skate a wider board/trucks, it doesn’t work as well for you (by your admission), you keep coming back to ask for more of the same justifications, for you to buy and ride the bigger setup (which i think you’ve done? and said it didn’t work, right?)
there are no hard metrics for body size and setup size.
skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.
this is the support thread. i have been in your position, if not a more extreme version: i’m probably best at the skating i do now, on a 7.8 ish board, and 5.0 lo’s/145s or a very few 8” trucks (5.2 lo’s/147s/old 8” royals), and 52 or smaller wheels. the skaters i admired the most locally, skated bigger setups: 8.25-8.5, 149s, 54s. looks cool/butch/macho, and makes more sense for the rough stuff. i tried to goldilocks that shit together and sometimes it worked for a moment. but if i get on an embarrassingly small board it’s all gonna workout easy/better (aside from riding over rough ground, there will always be trade-offs).
so i sympathize when i say this: stop fucking about, go skate. you can’t land your shit, because you (and me), are spending time posting about a small difference instead of skating. go skate fucker.
respectfully.
Buncha wimps where you live if 8 with 149 and 54s is cool/butch/macho. Gotta get 8.5, 159, 56 for that road!
Just playing with ya. Ive got an 8.5, 159, 56 and its fun as shit for just being loosey goosey, recently set up an 8.25, 44, 54 and its certainly flipping more, but then i skated some wimpy tooth pick 7.5-7.75 w ventures and small wheels for a second the other day and it flipped like craaaaaazy. I have no interest in riding that sorta set up outside a tennis court, but thats my whole point in writing this. We are all older and at least im not very sick on the skateboard, so having a tennis court set up and an every day pushing and skating street setup is reasonable and all that shit.
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Yo. name checks out here. having a gear crisis yall. basically, im trying to stop wearing big baggy clothes because i think i look goofy cuz im damn short and skinny. for reference, im sizing down from big boy fit to 93 fit but keeping my tee the same and going for that straight/ loose pants look now. i feel like i look worse and disproportionate with the slightly oversize tee now. tried sizing up in waist but that looks way off to me when the crotch bulge happens.
does this weird ‘off’ feeling go away or am i doomed to baggy clothes lol
This thread is mostly about the function of gear, not so much the fashion of it. That said, if skateboarding has anything to teach, it's "be yourself." To that end, wear what you are comfortable with, and don't worry about how it "looks."
i like the response.
i’m short, i have disproportionately short legs, and a long torso. so i should dress like elijah, to compensate (i don’t). pulling the pants up higher, would give the impression of elongating my legs, and shortening my torso.
i think a straight fit looks best, 501s etc. but…ya gotta be young and make silly choices. the baggy thing that many are doing, although a great response to the skinnies, is now kinda…
i know well the horrible state of being so uncomfortable, about most everything, that the pants make going outside, a chore. best of luck, hopefully you are able to give up any notion of looking cool.
On the topic of clothing (and I don't want to get in too deep here) but I found quite simply, if I feel comfortable in what I am wearing, I am already a step ahead of where I was at the start of the day. Trying to get a "costume" going for whatever reason may or may not work, but skate brands aside, finding what is most comfortable is key to getting in a good frame of mind and then I am more able to focus on skateboarding.
Thinking about what I am wearing is somewhat superficial I know, but if I keep having to adjust this, or pull up that or whatever, it gets really annoying and then detracts from what I want to do, which is ride a skateboard.
That said, sure I have some "brand name" stuff, the exact brands are not important here, but I also tracked down some other things which make my life a whole lot easier, just comfortable fitting clothes, not tailor fitted or anything, so yes exactly what you can buy off the shelf from any number of places, from department stores, through skate shops and most places in between, but the main thing is I found what works for me and that makes me happy in that regard so then I am not self conscious about clothing / fashion, age or anything else.
Sure my 24/7/365 for life outfit is 874 work pants, usually plain white tshirt, generic flannel shirt as a base, with skate brands thrown in a plenty as I have been in and around the skate industry for 20+ years, but through trial and error of many different styles, including things that would surprise some people, that is what works for me. Being 48 years old and a very average look, build and whatever, sure I can pick up some things that might not work for some people, but a few little things I have learned along the way make it a lot easier, eg medium white Gildan blank shirts fit better than any other colour and work well as an under shirt without being too tight or restrictive, large tshirts in skate brands over the top of that as needed but usually after I have had them in the dryer to shrink a bit for a better fit, the 874 pants I wear, size up, put on a belt and it makes it a little easier to move in without being too baggy, plus I have room to "eat a bit more" if I need to or tuck things in if I have to on some more formal occasions, bulk cotton rich white sports socks packs from department stores are cheaper and last longer than skate brands, etc.
Find what works for you and then you are already one step ahead every time you leave the house with your skateboard.
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Strangely the post your fit thread is the most positive and encouraging thread on the boards……we could learn a thing or two from it……..
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Strangely the post your fit thread is the most positive and encouraging thread on the boards……we could learn a thing or two from it……..
Wild. I’ve never looked at it because I figured it would be a cesspool.
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So I’m trying to find a bushing setup that I like. Bones black hardcores are really good for tricky/techy stuff, but I’m thinking of experimenting with a hard/soft combo in my more general purpose setup. I’ve seen recs for softer bottoms/harder tops and am wondering if anyone can vouch for that.
I’m 5’8 and like 185 fwiw. I kinda want a more turny/surfy vibe for my Indy’s, and so far sets are either too soft or too hard.
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So I’m trying to find a bushing setup that I like. Bones black hardcores are really good for tricky/techy stuff, but I’m thinking of experimenting with a hard/soft combo in my more general purpose setup. I’ve seen recs for softer bottoms/harder tops and am wondering if anyone can vouch for that.
I’m 5’8 and like 185 fwiw. I kinda want a more turny/surfy vibe for my Indy’s, and so far sets are either too soft or too hard.
Try Indy hard black bushings if you haven't already. I use the standard cylinders.
Use the bones top washer with them until the compress a bit.
With the thinner top washer and your weight, you should be able to get a decently turny setup while still having some stability.
Start with the nut nut flush, and tighten as needed
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This whole thread of 45 pages can be summarized with the simple phrase: just skate. That’s it.
Is it any surprise to you when you ask dudes who rip about their setup they all say keep it consistent, get used to it, and just skate. That’s the cure for all gear madness. Just skate. This thread is only making it worse. Nuke this thread and just fucking skate
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This whole thread of 45 pages can be summarized with the simple phrase: just skate. That’s it.
Is it any surprise to you when you ask dudes who rip about their setup they all say keep it consistent, get used to it, and just skate. That’s the cure for all gear madness. Just skate. This thread is only making it worse. Nuke this thread and just fucking skate
Wouldn't say just get used to whatever you have, since it can actually hold you back. Example: Super heavy feeling setup that takes all your energy just to pop onto a high legde.
But once you've found something that feels good enough on every terrain, that's the moment you need to stick with it, even when it's not 100% perfect.
Trying to find "the perfect setup for everything" that doesn't exist is where it goes downhill
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This whole thread of 45 pages can be summarized with the simple phrase: just skate. That’s it.
Is it any surprise to you when you ask dudes who rip about their setup they all say keep it consistent, get used to it, and just skate. That’s the cure for all gear madness. Just skate. This thread is only making it worse. Nuke this thread and just fucking skate
But once you've found something that feels good enough on every terrain, that's the moment you need to stick with it, even when it's not 100% perfect.
Trying to find "the perfect setup for everything" that doesn't exist is where it goes downhill
That's why we have The Quiver thread
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This whole thread of 45 pages can be summarized with the simple phrase: just skate. That’s it.
Is it any surprise to you when you ask dudes who rip about their setup they all say keep it consistent, get used to it, and just skate. That’s the cure for all gear madness. Just skate. This thread is only making it worse. Nuke this thread and just fucking skate
But once you've found something that feels good enough on every terrain, that's the moment you need to stick with it, even when it's not 100% perfect.
Trying to find "the perfect setup for everything" that doesn't exist is where it goes downhill
Yeah I agree, find what works for you and stick with that. Shoulda made that more clear in my post but ya get me.
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...skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.
This, exactly, has become a source of recent wheel madness for me. I am under no illusion that a 52mm Conical is going to make me skate substantively better than a 53mm Classic, but I am trying to figure which simply "feels better." The answer?
"This is no answer. There never was an answer. There never will be an answer. That is the answer." -Harry Dean Stanton
I've gotta say that while I do have madness about decks and trucks, I've never cared about wheels. This is likely because when I tried Conical Fulls I got train tracked a bunch and that was the end of those and I've just randomly decided I'm going to ride F4's as they feel good enough so that leaves me with only a few options in sizes I ride. That and I've never felt wheels held me back.
One could extrapolate this ethos to other areas of skating. My good friend and life long ripper decided at some point in time he's only going to ride Indy's and 54 Classics and that he can't frontside flip on anything over 8.5 (he absolutely can I've seen him do them on a 10" cruiser). He will basically buy any 8.38 and not care if something feels worse on that setup he's just decided "these are my parameters, it is what it is"
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...skating ‘better’ is a tricky one, for me for instance, a wider setup can feel ‘better’, but i probably land more tricks on a smaller setup. so which is better? that is for you to determine.
This, exactly, has become a source of recent wheel madness for me. I am under no illusion that a 52mm Conical is going to make me skate substantively better than a 53mm Classic, but I am trying to figure which simply "feels better." The answer?
"This is no answer. There never was an answer. There never will be an answer. That is the answer." -Harry Dean Stanton
I've gotta say that while I do have madness about decks and trucks, I've never cared about wheels. This is likely because when I tried Conical Fulls I got train tracked a bunch and that was the end of those and I've just randomly decided I'm going to ride F4's as they feel good enough so that leaves me with only a few options in sizes I ride. That and I've never felt wheels held me back.
One could extrapolate this ethos to other areas of skating. My good friend and life long ripper decided at some point in time he's only going to ride Indy's and 54 Classics and that he can't frontside flip on anything over 8.5 (he absolutely can I've seen him do them on a 10" cruiser). He will basically buy any 8.38 and not care if something feels worse on that setup he's just decided "these are my parameters, it is what it is"
Wheel madness is a new thing for me. I've been a Classic-only guy for a long, long, long time. So, what happened? I rode a friend's board with Conicals. It rode a lot smoother (wider contact patch). I liked that. It also seemed to lock-in a bit more on transition (round coping). I liked that, too. But in other ares I was less of a fan. Everything in life is a trade-off. It's just a matter of figuring out which aspects "weight" the most (+/-). Aside from Classics, there are only two other Spitfire wheels I would consider riding; Radials and Conicals. I now have a set of both, so I should be able to make quick work of this (hopefully). My deck/truck madness was resolved some time ago. So, once this little wheel episode is resolved, I'm confident my madness with go dormant for awhile. That's a good thing. And thankfully, I've never had shoe madness.
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So I’m trying to find a bushing setup that I like. Bones black hardcores are really good for tricky/techy stuff, but I’m thinking of experimenting with a hard/soft combo in my more general purpose setup. I’ve seen recs for softer bottoms/harder tops and am wondering if anyone can vouch for that.
I’m 5’8 and like 185 fwiw. I kinda want a more turny/surfy vibe for my Indy’s, and so far sets are either too soft or too hard.
Try Indy hard black bushings if you haven't already. I use the standard cylinders.
Use the bones top washer with them until the compress a bit.
With the thinner top washer and your weight, you should be able to get a decently turny setup while still having some stability.
Start with the nut nut flush, and tighten as needed
Awesome, I’ll give them a go! From my experience is bushings are one of those things you kinda do have to get into the nitty gritty with, especially if you’re a little taller and/or heavier and are going for a specific feel. Thank you
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So I’m trying to find a bushing setup that I like. Bones black hardcores are really good for tricky/techy stuff, but I’m thinking of experimenting with a hard/soft combo in my more general purpose setup. I’ve seen recs for softer bottoms/harder tops and am wondering if anyone can vouch for that.
I’m 5’8 and like 185 fwiw. I kinda want a more turny/surfy vibe for my Indy’s, and so far sets are either too soft or too hard.
Try Indy hard black bushings if you haven't already. I use the standard cylinders.
Use the bones top washer with them until the compress a bit.
With the thinner top washer and your weight, you should be able to get a decently turny setup while still having some stability.
Start with the nut nut flush, and tighten as needed
Awesome, I’ll give them a go! From my experience is bushings are one of those things you kinda do have to get into the nitty gritty with, especially if you’re a little taller and/or heavier and are going for a specific feel. Thank you
Even if you have a few options sitting around, try out different combos of each if you don't mind having a more relaxed day and not pushing too hard, take them somewhere you can experiment with them and try one of this bottom, something else top, mix and match the other way round, etc.
I have a little OCD about coloured bushings, eg I like sets of the same colours, but I know some people have definitely found that an Bones hard bottom and a Bones medium top or vice versa worked for them - can't remember which way they went, but they shared bushings with their kid so it actually worked well, adult on hard bottom, kid on medium bottom or something.
Others I know buy two sets of bushings every time just to get the combo they want, which is a bit much for me, but at least they know what they like and it works for them, so that's all that matters.
Any bushings you have lying around could be put to this test to see what works for you, if you have them, then go buy others as needed.
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Just checking in and saying I did my annual "take apart every setup except for one main board and one cruiser" cleanse and it feels good. Makes me feel a bit more normal if I ignore the entire skateshop worth of gear I have on ice.
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Just checking in and saying I did my annual "take apart every setup except for one main board and one cruiser" cleanse and it feels good. Makes me feel a bit more normal if I ignore the entire skateshop worth of gear I have on ice.
This always helps me. I need to put my extra gear out of sight as well or I start getting ideas.
I "only" have about three spare decks in various states of use, three sets of wheels, and four sets of trucks but it's incredible how much mental anguish I can cause myself with just that.
If I start to compile a quiver of non-cruiser decks, I'm fucked.
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Just checking in and saying I did my annual "take apart every setup except for one main board and one cruiser" cleanse and it feels good. Makes me feel a bit more normal if I ignore the entire skateshop worth of gear I have on ice.
Did the same thing this weekend, though there was only one other complete skateboard. Bagged up everything and put it all away in my box of skate shit. Got my 8.18" deck with some 144s and a Polar P9 with some crusty old thrift store Reynolds I cleaned up and OJ Mini Juices.
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True success is not having to do it next year. One of the years this will be true for me.
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Kinda of having new cruiser set up madness right now.. I want a new cruiser for long pushes around town, some hill bombing and pump track action. I know I want something about 9" to 10" and I know I want Wheel wells.
But
Do I go short WB for squirrelly responsiveness or long WB for high speed stability?
Its down to the Antihero Raney Big Bord or the new Genius shape...
Typically I wouldn't have crosier set up madness but since I am trying not to skate to hard while I heal up its become a thing...
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Kinda of having new cruiser set up madness right now.. I want a new cruiser for long pushes around town, some hill bombing and pump track action. I know I want something about 9" to 10" and I know I want Wheel wells.
But
Do I go short WB for squirrelly responsiveness or long WB for high speed stability?
Its down to the Antihero Raney Big Bord or the new Genius shape...
Typically I wouldn't have crosier set up madness but since I am trying not to skate to hard while I heal up its become a thing...
the genius shape looked really good. i wanted it, and i’m about over eagled out and such, but the shape looked nice in hand. so did that quasi surfa. quasi obviously looked cooler, but the shape, shortness of the genius was very alluring. and i like shorter. words and wb’s.
all of that aside, for quite awhile i had a wildly shaped board, with a 14.75 wb…didn’t skate it much, but for going fast downhill (relative, i am gaaaaarbaaaaaage at skating, worse at skating ‘fast’), the long wb was so comfy it was pretty shocking actually. like i felt safe, when ordinarily i woulda been foot dragging and all sorts of shameful maneuvers.
i don’t fuck with wheel wells, i get bummed when my board is too big…someone posted a 8.75 label recently with 161s and that made me feel some type of way. some other real asshole always makes ace classic 55s look super good on their posted setups. i dunno.
best of luck. skating for distance is most likely my future, cuz these worm burner nollie flips are not it.
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Kinda of having new cruiser set up madness right now.. I want a new cruiser for long pushes around town, some hill bombing and pump track action. I know I want something about 9" to 10" and I know I want Wheel wells.
But
Do I go short WB for squirrelly responsiveness or long WB for high speed stability?
Its down to the Antihero Raney Big Bord or the new Genius shape...
Typically I wouldn't have crosier set up madness but since I am trying not to skate to hard while I heal up its become a thing...
polar dane1 full shape
31.~ length, 9.75 width, 14 wheelbase
i can kickflip & heelflip it ez as well
its the perfect cruiser
i ride it with indy 215's and 0.5 inch risers but id recommend 169 or 159
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I'm having some wheelbase madness right now. I'm running an Ishod 8.3 twin tail as my main setup. It has a 14.4" wheelbase which I've traditionally thought of being too short for me but then there's been some decks where it works just fine.
I set up a new cruiser a while ago. Antihero Blue Meanie 8.75" with 14.75" wheelbase. I've skated one before as my main setup and absolutely loved it. It was a bit of a chore getting up but the pop yield was great and I felt like I could control it really well. I'm not that precise with my legs so short wheelbases and light trucks don't work too well for me usually. Now this cruiser felt almost magical. I'm on loose Ace 44 Classics with 1/8" risers and 55mm OJ Mini Super Juices and I can ollie over a bunch of stuff when cruising without hesitation. Usually it takes me a good while to warm my legs up to even attempt a first ollie, that's why cruising has been kinda meh for me if I'm in places where you have to ollie over stuff a lot but now I've been having a blast.
I haven't skated my main setup for a while but now I'm thinking it's probably not suitable for me as it certainly isn't as effortless. I think I'll give it a go once more and if I don't like it that much, I'll switch it out to something with a longer wheelbase. I've got a probably about 20 decks in my stack though. Most of them with a 14.5" wheelbase, some with 14.375" and some with 14.625", 14.75" and 15". Really not sure what to set up next. 14.5" was my thinking but then the Blue Meanie has me wanting to set up something with 14.75". Then again I could set up a 14.375" and figure out for good that it's just not my thing. 15" I don't feel like skating right now for some reason so at least there's that. Basically I'm in full kook mode right now. :-X
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I'm having some wheelbase madness right now. I'm running an Ishod 8.3 twin tail as my main setup. It has a 14.4" wheelbase which I've traditionally thought of being too short for me but then there's been some decks where it works just fine.
I set up a new cruiser a while ago. Antihero Blue Meanie 8.75" with 14.75" wheelbase. I've skated one before as my main setup and absolutely loved it. It was a bit of a chore getting up but the pop yield was great and I felt like I could control it really well. I'm not that precise with my legs so short wheelbases and light trucks don't work too well for me usually. Now this cruiser felt almost magical. I'm on loose Ace 44 Classics with 1/8" risers and 55mm OJ Mini Super Juices and I can ollie over a bunch of stuff when cruising without hesitation. Usually it takes me a good while to warm my legs up to even attempt a first ollie, that's why cruising has been kinda meh for me if I'm in places where you have to ollie over stuff a lot but now I've been having a blast.
I haven't skated my main setup for a while but now I'm thinking it's probably not suitable for me as it certainly isn't as effortless. I think I'll give it a go once more and if I don't like it that much, I'll switch it out to something with a longer wheelbase. I've got a probably about 20 decks in my stack though. Most of them with a 14.5" wheelbase, some with 14.375" and some with 14.625", 14.75" and 15". Really not sure what to set up next. 14.5" was my thinking but then the Blue Meanie has me wanting to set up something with 14.75". Then again I could set up a 14.375" and figure out for good that it's just not my thing. 15" I don't feel like skating right now for some reason so at least there's that. Basically I'm in full kook mode right now. :-X
I have a DLX 8.75/14.62 (159 forged) set-up as my cruiser / big ramp board. Usually run 54mm/99a Classics or Conicals on it. If I’m going full cruise, mighy throw 80HDs on it. This set-up gets me in trouble sometimes. If I ride it too much, I start to really, really like it for some things, and then my regular 8.25 begins to feel impossibly small. Yeah, the 8.75 is a tank on some stuff, but it’s just so stable and comfy on other stuff (e.g. Smith grinds). Sometimes it’s really hard to “go smaller” when you’ve been riding a bigger board for awhile, so be careful what you’re doing with bigger WBs! Madness will ensue!
Also, I’ve been thinking about setting up a bigger full-on dedicated cruiser, but haven’t actually done it, because I’m not sure if I want to open that door.
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I'm having some wheelbase madness right now. I'm running an Ishod 8.3 twin tail as my main setup. It has a 14.4" wheelbase which I've traditionally thought of being too short for me but then there's been some decks where it works just fine.
I set up a new cruiser a while ago. Antihero Blue Meanie 8.75" with 14.75" wheelbase. I've skated one before as my main setup and absolutely loved it. It was a bit of a chore getting up but the pop yield was great and I felt like I could control it really well. I'm not that precise with my legs so short wheelbases and light trucks don't work too well for me usually. Now this cruiser felt almost magical. I'm on loose Ace 44 Classics with 1/8" risers and 55mm OJ Mini Super Juices and I can ollie over a bunch of stuff when cruising without hesitation. Usually it takes me a good while to warm my legs up to even attempt a first ollie, that's why cruising has been kinda meh for me if I'm in places where you have to ollie over stuff a lot but now I've been having a blast.
I haven't skated my main setup for a while but now I'm thinking it's probably not suitable for me as it certainly isn't as effortless. I think I'll give it a go once more and if I don't like it that much, I'll switch it out to something with a longer wheelbase. I've got a probably about 20 decks in my stack though. Most of them with a 14.5" wheelbase, some with 14.375" and some with 14.625", 14.75" and 15". Really not sure what to set up next. 14.5" was my thinking but then the Blue Meanie has me wanting to set up something with 14.75". Then again I could set up a 14.375" and figure out for good that it's just not my thing. 15" I don't feel like skating right now for some reason so at least there's that. Basically I'm in full kook mode right now. :-X
I have a DLX 8.75/14.62 (159 forged) set-up as my cruiser / big ramp board. Usually run 54mm/99a Classics or Conicals on it. If I’m going full cruise, mighy throw 80HDs on it. This set-up gets me in trouble sometimes. If I ride it too much, I start to really, really like it for some things, and then my regular 8.25 begins to feel impossibly small. Yeah, the 8.75 is a tank on some stuff, but it’s just so stable and comfy on other stuff (e.g. Smith grinds). Sometimes it’s really hard to “go smaller” when you’ve been riding a bigger board for awhile, so be careful what you’re doing with bigger WBs! Madness will ensue!
Also, I’ve been thinking about setting up a bigger full-on dedicated cruiser, but haven’t actually done it, because I’m not sure if I want to open that door.
Thanks! Good points. I’m actually not that worried about liking the bigger boards as I’m not exactly a tech guy. I am old though and would like to learn some new tricks but I’m thinking that riding what feels comfortable would be better for that instead of having a setup that feels too small.
I have actually skated boards up to 15” wheelbase and up to 9.75” width as my main setup. Usually I’m around 8.5” with 14.5” wheelbase but can go over a lot and under a bit.
I skated the DLX 8.75” a year or so ago and while it was ok, I never really got along with it that well. Maybe it’s the long tail paired with Aces or something but it just felt more difficult to pop properly than it should have. I don’t think I’ll be getting another one of those. Currently I’m considering the DLX 8.63”, which seems to me that it’s from the same mold as the Blue Meanie but it’s a popsicle instead. Never skated that board before as I couldn’t figure out which trucks to use on it as Ace went from 8.35” to 9.0”. Now I could pair it with the AF1 55s or 60s. Probably 55s as those felt good on the Blue Meanie previously.
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i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
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i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
Crail is calling
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i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
Crail is calling
heard he’s skating a flight deck. i wonder which shape?
there is something interesting, to me, about possibly skating a powell board in this year of 2023. several times in my skate life, skateboards, in general, felt a little taboo, wrong, socially risky. for a moment i was thinking that buying a flight deck, might bring me some of that nostalgic feeling, of not fitting in, that skating used to represent to me.
and then i remembered i’m closer to 50 and most every old white guy my age has some shitty powell board.
but for serious if we find out what our flat god is riding lemme know. could be private, or not, idc
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i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
Crail is calling
heard he’s skating a flight deck. i wonder which shape?
there is something interesting, to me, about possibly skating a powell board in this year of 2023. several times in my skate life, skateboards, in general, felt a little taboo, wrong, socially risky. for a moment i was thinking that buying a flight deck, might bring me some of that nostalgic feeling, of not fitting in, that skating used to represent to me.
and then i remembered i’m closer to 50 and most every old white guy my age has some shitty powell board.
but for serious if we find out what our flat god is riding lemme know. could be private, or not, idc
@23:20 @Fletschinger spits about the mini logo
I bet @Sativa Lung knows whats up with these as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
i feel you on the powell tip. There are certain things i'm not going to do- such as buy an element deck, regardless of low price. this video is the only reason i'd consider a mini logo. although, my first real deck was purple mini logo in probably 1997/98, i'm not really trying to go there at this time but... i going to end up snagging one of these 8s and see what happens.
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i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
Crail is calling
heard he’s skating a flight deck. i wonder which shape?
there is something interesting, to me, about possibly skating a powell board in this year of 2023. several times in my skate life, skateboards, in general, felt a little taboo, wrong, socially risky. for a moment i was thinking that buying a flight deck, might bring me some of that nostalgic feeling, of not fitting in, that skating used to represent to me.
and then i remembered i’m closer to 50 and most every old white guy my age has some shitty powell board.
but for serious if we find out what our flat god is riding lemme know. could be private, or not, idc
@23:20 @Fletschinger spits about the mini logo
I bet @Sativa Lung knows whats up with these as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
i feel you on the powell tip. There are certain things i'm not going to do- such as buy an element deck, regardless of low price. this video is the only reason i'd consider a mini logo. although, my first real deck was purple mini logo in probably 1997/98, i'm not really trying to go there at this time but... i going to end up snagging one of these 8s and see what happens.
Why no Element? Not judging, just wondering g what I missed. And you know you’ve got the madness when you’re factoring in your house’s pitch into kick angle measurements.
Real shit though, I use my iPhone’s level to measure kick angle. My favorite board (G069) is a hair over 18°.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
"Weird I saved this. I don't save anything."
(As he is standing next to huge stack of saved decks)
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i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
Crail is calling
heard he’s skating a flight deck. i wonder which shape?
there is something interesting, to me, about possibly skating a powell board in this year of 2023. several times in my skate life, skateboards, in general, felt a little taboo, wrong, socially risky. for a moment i was thinking that buying a flight deck, might bring me some of that nostalgic feeling, of not fitting in, that skating used to represent to me.
and then i remembered i’m closer to 50 and most every old white guy my age has some shitty powell board.
but for serious if we find out what our flat god is riding lemme know. could be private, or not, idc
@23:20 @Fletschinger spits about the mini logo
I bet @Sativa Lung knows whats up with these as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
i feel you on the powell tip. There are certain things i'm not going to do- such as buy an element deck, regardless of low price. this video is the only reason i'd consider a mini logo. although, my first real deck was purple mini logo in probably 1997/98, i'm not really trying to go there at this time but... i going to end up snagging one of these 8s and see what happens.
Why no Element? Not judging, just wondering g what I missed. And you know you’ve got the madness when you’re factoring in your house’s pitch into kick angle measurements.
Real shit though, I use my iPhone’s level to measure kick angle. My favorite board (G069) is a hair over 18°.
;D westgate is the shit and all, but element is wack and i'd rather give my hard earned diminishing funds to my local shop/company etc. I wrote that mostly in response to people going bonkers over $15-20 element decks a few weeks back and me and some others saying/thinking "weak, element sucks..." Standard BBS shapes is what people are looking for in that run and I can support my local who sells BBS shop decks for a $20 more that's going to go into the community. Ordering a mini logo feels kind of uncomfortable too, but it may serve a purpose.
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i've been messing around with sub 8.5 sizing on various wood shops for the first time in the quest to get 360 flips by my 38th birthday. missed the goal date but it's been a nice experiment. I flung around an ancient 7.5-7.75 pennswood on ventures and 50mm wheels my buddy broke out and although i only threw out a few attempts, that tiny ass board was truth central for flip tricks. I'm thinking I want to set up an 8" with 14"WB and 149s. Don't have any wheels on ice smaller than 54, so it's gonna be funky, but i'm thinking that for a little while anyways, the difference between 8.25 and 8 will be negligible for learning new flip tricks that i'm not getting on 8.25/8.5. Probably gonna crack and order a mini logo deck like Fletch
Crail is calling
heard he’s skating a flight deck. i wonder which shape?
there is something interesting, to me, about possibly skating a powell board in this year of 2023. several times in my skate life, skateboards, in general, felt a little taboo, wrong, socially risky. for a moment i was thinking that buying a flight deck, might bring me some of that nostalgic feeling, of not fitting in, that skating used to represent to me.
and then i remembered i’m closer to 50 and most every old white guy my age has some shitty powell board.
but for serious if we find out what our flat god is riding lemme know. could be private, or not, idc
@23:20 @Fletschinger spits about the mini logo
I bet @Sativa Lung knows whats up with these as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNt5iGhNwI)
i feel you on the powell tip. There are certain things i'm not going to do- such as buy an element deck, regardless of low price. this video is the only reason i'd consider a mini logo. although, my first real deck was purple mini logo in probably 1997/98, i'm not really trying to go there at this time but... i going to end up snagging one of these 8s and see what happens.
Why no Element? Not judging, just wondering g what I missed. And you know you’ve got the madness when you’re factoring in your house’s pitch into kick angle measurements.
Real shit though, I use my iPhone’s level to measure kick angle. My favorite board (G069) is a hair over 18°.
;D westgate is the shit and all, but element is wack and i'd rather give my hard earned diminishing funds to my local shop/company etc. I wrote that mostly in response to people going bonkers over $15-20 element decks a few weeks back and me and some others saying/thinking "weak, element sucks..." Standard BBS shapes is what people are looking for in that run and I can support my local who sells BBS shop decks for a $20 more that's going to go into the community. Ordering a mini logo feels kind of uncomfortable too, but it may serve a purpose.
yes agree
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
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For 3 flips…..isn’t magic carpet better than hot rod?
I'd say so
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I'd say so
I’d agree but I’d also say from experience that as long as half the wheel isn’t sticking out on hot rod, you can still fairly easily do 3flips
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Those AWS boards are close but slightly longer tails.
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.
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For 3 flips…..isn’t magic carpet better than hot rod?
I'd say so
I’d agree but I’d also say from experience that as long as half the wheel isn’t sticking out on hot rod, you can still fairly easily do 3flips
Can remove the axel washers as well if you haven’t already.
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.
i’ve never skated the manderson, and i’m most likely way off here, but a board i fondly remember, from…maybe 2017? ish. was this doomsayers 8.28. it was short. top was laser engraved (i think). that board was the shit. such a great shape. at the time i was trying to make indys work, and i really enjoyed it. nose was bigger than i like, pop was fantastic.
someone on here said omar was a bit of a turd towards the artists that worked with him, and i moved on to other attempts at finding what worked for me. great board tho.
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Continuation to my previous wheelbase madness kookery:
I was thinking of getting a fish scale to start measuring the force needed to get the front of the deck up. Pair that knowledge with the pop angle measured with my phone and estimate based on that how the board would work for me. I told about this to my girlfriend who just looked at me like I’m insane (which I’m definitely not at all! :) )
Instead of doing all that I switched from the 8.3” Ishod TT to DLX 8.38” and had a great session just a while ago. So, madness curbed (for now at least). :)
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Continuation to my previous wheelbase madness kookery:
I was thinking of getting a fish scale to start measuring the force needed to get the front of the deck up. Pair that knowledge with the pop angle measured with my phone and estimate based on that how the board would work for me. I told about this to my girlfriend who just looked at me like I’m insane (which I’m definitely not at all! :) )
Instead of doing all that I switched from the 8.3” Ishod TT to DLX 8.38” and had a great session just a while ago. So, madness curbed (for now at least). :)
I've found that my happy place setup switches between those two shapes depending on how I'm feeling.
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Continuation to my previous wheelbase madness kookery:
I was thinking of getting a fish scale to start measuring the force needed to get the front of the deck up. Pair that knowledge with the pop angle measured with my phone and estimate based on that how the board would work for me.
This is why I love this thread and community
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.
i’ve never skated the manderson, and i’m most likely way off here, but a board i fondly remember, from…maybe 2017? ish. was this doomsayers 8.28. it was short. top was laser engraved (i think). that board was the shit. such a great shape. at the time i was trying to make indys work, and i really enjoyed it. nose was bigger than i like, pop was fantastic.
someone on here said omar was a bit of a turd towards the artists that worked with him, and i moved on to other attempts at finding what worked for me. great board tho.
The Manderson is a great shape, it's very similar to the AWS and Proto but just a bit mellower shape-wise...if it was just a bit shorter/trimmer all around I'd be golden. Gonna try the gall and hope for the best.
It could also feel too big because I've been on sub 32" boards with 14 <-> 14.18 WB for the last 3 boards so a 32" + 14.25 (and a full square shape) feels mighty hefty. If I skate park on the regular this would be the one.
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.
i’ve never skated the manderson, and i’m most likely way off here, but a board i fondly remember, from…maybe 2017? ish. was this doomsayers 8.28. it was short. top was laser engraved (i think). that board was the shit. such a great shape. at the time i was trying to make indys work, and i really enjoyed it. nose was bigger than i like, pop was fantastic.
someone on here said omar was a bit of a turd towards the artists that worked with him, and i moved on to other attempts at finding what worked for me. great board tho.
The Manderson is a great shape, it's very similar to the AWS and Proto but just a bit mellower shape-wise...if it was just a bit shorter/trimmer all around I'd be golden. Gonna try the gall and hope for the best.
It could also feel too big because I've been on sub 32" boards with 14 <-> 14.18 WB for the last 3 boards so a 32" + 14.25 (and a full square shape) feels mighty hefty. If I skate park on the regular this would be the one.
length is my currently my favorite criteria. i’ve been going way short, and it’s been easier for most things.
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Anyone ever find a 'smaller' 8.3 Manderson 'shape' board? (length and WB); FA/Hockey? Gall's 8.25 metal?
Have you tried the Quasi 8.25" x 31.8" WB 14" BBS yet?
Yeah a few times, I’m hoping to get an 8.3 but shorter; still looking at the gall metal.
i’ve never skated the manderson, and i’m most likely way off here, but a board i fondly remember, from…maybe 2017? ish. was this doomsayers 8.28. it was short. top was laser engraved (i think). that board was the shit. such a great shape. at the time i was trying to make indys work, and i really enjoyed it. nose was bigger than i like, pop was fantastic.
someone on here said omar was a bit of a turd towards the artists that worked with him, and i moved on to other attempts at finding what worked for me. great board tho.
The Manderson is a great shape, it's very similar to the AWS and Proto but just a bit mellower shape-wise...if it was just a bit shorter/trimmer all around I'd be golden. Gonna try the gall and hope for the best.
It could also feel too big because I've been on sub 32" boards with 14 <-> 14.18 WB for the last 3 boards so a 32" + 14.25 (and a full square shape) feels mighty hefty. If I skate park on the regular this would be the one.
length is my currently my favorite criteria. i’ve been going way short, and it’s been easier for most things.
Same bro, 8.75 x 31.5 is absurdly fun
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I didn’t post much about here, but I went through some deck Madness about 3 months ago. I normally ride DLX 8.25/14.38, and also have a DLX 8.75/14.62 that I ride sometimes. For a spell I was riding the 8.75 a lot, and suddenly my 8.25 seemed impossibly small (and 8.75 obviously too clunky for many things). This ignited a Madness to find an 8.5/14.5 middle-ground. At the tail end (recently) some wheel Madness also kicked in, which is really unusual for me.
I hadn’t had any serious Madness in quite awhile, but as we all know, it flares from time to time. In the end, I landed back on the exact same set-up(s) that I’ve always ridden. How surprising. And I reminded myself, yet again, “You know what you like. Don’t waste time, money, and emotional/mental investment on this, again. Just skate. Just enjoy what you know you enjoy.”
Last, I’ll put a plug in for Fresno Skateboard Salvage (links below). They do incredible work getting quality skateboards to at-risk youth, and are always looking for hardware donations. If you have any extra Madness gear, please consider sending it over to them. It will certainly go to good use. I’ve sent them a lot over the years, and it’s always rewarding to see it in the hands of some kid. Light the flame. Make skateboarding awesome for someone.
www.fresnoskateboardsalvage.org
https://instagram.com/fresnoskateboardsalvage?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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went down a gnarly madness spiral, related to wanting to skate some more era correct setups, with some friends from way back, when 7.75s were common place.
ended up skating the best on a board that had stage 10 139s, which is a trip, as i’m not an indy person. but the results were the results.
or more accurately, i skated flatground almost as well as i did with 5.0, venture lo’s, and 50s, but was able to skate more terrain with the indy’s and larger wheels.
and skate half cabs, skated very well for me, but predictably felt like i was made out of painful glass, after the fun stopped.
another takeaway was that i skate better on spitfire classics, compared with tablets (that just look so not nice), and conical fulls.
the madness aspect is that i will take this info, and then certainly, most assuredly, switch shit up again, in the future.
oh, i have some mini logos that are currently kicking the ass of a pair of swiss, and another brand of bearings that people like(d), on here.
which is ‘funny’
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Got some Fastbreak Pros for $35. Debating if I should skate or put ‘em on ice. I already rotate between three pair of skate shoes 😖
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Got some Fastbreak Pros for $35. Debating if I should skate or put ‘em on ice. I already rotate between three pair of skate shoes 😖
got the same, fellow size 13’er right? Probably use em as summer chillers to start and break in then start skating em eventually
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Got some Fastbreak Pros for $35. Debating if I should skate or put ‘em on ice. I already rotate between three pair of skate shoes 😖
Yup! They look great. I lowkey want to use them as chillers too. But I’m trying to not wear skate shoes daily. Need to Ultraboost for running around.
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Proud of myself for fighting setup madness. My ollies have turned to shit partly because this Sci-Fi Fantasy deck has steep kicks. Mellow kicks/lower trucks is calling me, but I’m like, “If you can skate this you’ll be able to skate anything.”
Don’t want to be confined to one brand and have to search all day for mellow boards.
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Proud of myself for fighting setup madness. My ollies have turned to shit partly because this Sci-Fi Fantasy deck has steep kicks. Mellow kicks/lower trucks is calling me, but I’m like, “If you can skate this you’ll be able to skate anything.”
Don’t want to be confined to one brand and have to search all day for mellow boards.
which sci fi deck?
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Proud of myself for fighting setup madness. My ollies have turned to shit partly because this Sci-Fi Fantasy deck has steep kicks. Mellow kicks/lower trucks is calling me, but I’m like, “If you can skate this you’ll be able to skate anything.”
Don’t want to be confined to one brand and have to search all day for mellow boards.
This one. I swear the tail is as steep as the nose. It’s wild 😭(https://i.ibb.co/D45kMHF/IMG-3171.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D45kMHF)
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Shoe size madness has crept back in. After deciding that most shoes in an 11 is the perfect fit they’ve all the sudden started to feel too big. What gives? The madness started when trying out slip-ons and the 11 just flops right off my feet. Now I’m wondering if I should have gone with 10.5 this whole time. I used to cram my feet into 10s and after sizing up lost almost all my flip tricks for a while. I don’t want to buy a 10.5 and have buyers remorse. I guess my question is:
How much room is too much room?
If say an 11 is too big in a Vans slip-on then is it also too big in a Halfcab?
Anyone else have this madness?
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Shoe size madness has crept back in. After deciding that most shoes in an 11 is the perfect fit they’ve all the sudden started to feel too big. What gives? The madness started when trying out slip-ons and the 11 just flops right off my feet. Now I’m wondering if I should have gone with 10.5 this whole time. I used to cram my feet into 10s and after sizing up lost almost all my flip tricks for a while. I don’t want to buy a 10.5 and have buyers remorse. I guess my question is:
How much room is too much room?
If say an 11 is too big in a Vans slip-on then is it also too big in a Halfcab?
Anyone else have this madness?
yes, i’ve had this message. don’t.
smaller shoes are bad for your feet, don’t.
wear em as big as you can, and just swear silently.
don’t.
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Came here for someone to tell me I'm tripping and it's all good. I've been having deck size madness lately. I'm 6'2" with size 13 squatch feet, and for the past 2 years I've been on 8.25s, stacking up any I find on sale, but my feet hang over on both sides, which doesn't bother me on tricks, I really only think about it when I'm looking at a new deck to set up. I recently copped a few 8.38s and like it, but feel I need to go to 8.5. I skate pretty much all terrain. I listened to Shecks nine club, and dude was saying hes got like size 10 shoes on a 9" board because of the same madness. No way I'm going to 9", and my thought process is that back in the day guys would ride 7.75 decks with size 13 kicks no problem. Sorry for the long coffee fueled post, I just want to be satisfied with my setup, without longing for something else.
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Proud of myself for fighting setup madness. My ollies have turned to shit partly because this Sci-Fi Fantasy deck has steep kicks. Mellow kicks/lower trucks is calling me, but I’m like, “If you can skate this you’ll be able to skate anything.”
Don’t want to be confined to one brand and have to search all day for mellow boards.
Dude the Sci-Fi I just setup is steep as well and it fucks my nollie tricks up badly with the Indy Standards I have otherwise been stoked on, but just focusing on adjusting my technique.
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I consider the Krooked Manderson shape pretty much perfect. Dimensions, shape of nose and tail, steepness. Feels about right. For those of you that appreciate this board, what are your favorite alternatives when this one isn’t around?
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Came here for someone to tell me I'm tripping and it's all good. I've been having deck size madness lately. I'm 6'2" with size 13 squatch feet, and for the past 2 years I've been on 8.25s, stacking up any I find on sale, but my feet hang over on both sides, which doesn't bother me on tricks, I really only think about it when I'm looking at a new deck to set up. I recently copped a few 8.38s and like it, but feel I need to go to 8.5. I skate pretty much all terrain. I listened to Shecks nine club, and dude was saying hes got like size 10 shoes on a 9" board because of the same madness. No way I'm going to 9", and my thought process is that back in the day guys would ride 7.75 decks with size 13 kicks no problem. Sorry for the long coffee fueled post, I just want to be satisfied with my setup, without longing for something else.
i have the same size foot skating 8.75-9.25
most comfortable on 9s, just gotta get short wheelbases
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Came here for someone to tell me I'm tripping and it's all good. I've been having deck size madness lately. I'm 6'2" with size 13 squatch feet, and for the past 2 years I've been on 8.25s, stacking up any I find on sale, but my feet hang over on both sides, which doesn't bother me on tricks, I really only think about it when I'm looking at a new deck to set up. I recently copped a few 8.38s and like it, but feel I need to go to 8.5. I skate pretty much all terrain. I listened to Shecks nine club, and dude was saying hes got like size 10 shoes on a 9" board because of the same madness. No way I'm going to 9", and my thought process is that back in the day guys would ride 7.75 decks with size 13 kicks no problem. Sorry for the long coffee fueled post, I just want to be satisfied with my setup, without longing for something else.
I'm 6ft5 size 13 and skate 8.5. Dont ever feel the need to go bigger, and can skate an 8.25 just fine as long as the kicks aren't too pointy. Mostly ledges rails curbs and flat though. If I skated more transition or something probably would wanna stick to the 8.5 side of things but never feel limited by board size relative to my foot.
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My current madness is that I feel the need to keep skating my thunders down to the axle, but there's no kingpin clearance anymore and it sucks. They would be my first set to get down all the way. Been skating them for about two years (no slappies), on a symmetrical board so they should be axled right around the same time at the same spots. Not sure if the crook or 5050/5-0/smith/feeble spot is going to axle first.
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My current madness is that I feel the need to keep skating my thunders down to the axle, but there's no kingpin clearance anymore and it sucks. They would be my first set to get down all the way. Been skating them for about two years (no slappies), on a symmetrical board so they should be axled right around the same time at the same spots. Not sure if the crook or 5050/5-0/smith/feeble spot is going to axle first.
That’s the real cure for truck madness. Would love to see those grooves.
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My current madness is that I feel the need to keep skating my thunders down to the axle, but there's no kingpin clearance anymore and it sucks. They would be my first set to get down all the way. Been skating them for about two years (no slappies), on a symmetrical board so they should be axled right around the same time at the same spots. Not sure if the crook or 5050/5-0/smith/feeble spot is going to axle first.
I had cut down the top bushings on quite a few setups to then get the kingpin nut down lower to give more clearance on various setups, for myself and others. For the most part, everything worked fine for the people and their boards until they did eventually break through the axle or retire them, with only one person I can recall saying it felt weird or didn't work for them. Others on here have done the same thing too.
Angle grinding down the kingpin itself once the nut is on and in the right place for truck tightness was the only other thing I would often do, some more than others, but again that is just prolonging the life of a set of trucks, before retiring to a cruiser board, passing on to someone else who wasn't so concerned about kingpin clearance or whatever.
My madness is to make anything and everything last as long as possible for anyone, be it the original owner of the skateboard part or fixing it with the view to passing it on to someone who can make the most of it, eg a lot of beginners / kids would enjoy well worn trucks and never really worry about kingpin clearance, or still skate a cracked deck or whatever like that too.
I totally get where you are at though - just want to feel the acomplishment of getting trucks to axle but not wanting to catch kingpin or have issues / slams from it too.
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nowadays i'd rather not go to the axel but piece the old trucks with other old parts and give away a whole set up.....
I'm not sure what's happened to me....
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As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
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As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
Gamechanger in a bad way?
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As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
Gamechanger in a bad way?
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.
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I have a twin board that I'm getting more life out of than normal combined with some street skating, I finally went ahead and regripped it.
Because I cross grip into three pieces, they came off super easy and I did it with the trucks still on. At that point, I thought real hard about just gripping over.....
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As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
Gamechanger in a bad way?
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.
How so? If the grip holds the bolts, you don't even need a screwdriver to change your trucks.
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As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
Gamechanger in a bad way?
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.
I know you are trolling, but anyone who would consider doing that and riding titty twistered grip like that is sick and needs to be put down.
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As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
Gamechanger in a bad way?
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.
I know you are trolling, but anyone who would consider doing that and riding titty twistered grip like that is sick and needs to be put down.
Don’t kink shame
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As the OP several accounts later: Gripping over your bolts is a game changer if you have truck madness.
Gamechanger in a bad way?
No, it's great. It makes it way too much trouble to try and impulsively swap out trucks.
I know you are trolling, but anyone who would consider doing that and riding titty twistered grip like that is sick and needs to be put down.
Not trolling, that actually works. Neither grip nor bolt will move if you carefully tighten/loosen the nut using only a skate tool. At least it worked with mob some years ago
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Grip over bolts is objectively insane.
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Stevie does it…..what do you think his exit strategy is?
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Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
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Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
Just go back to what you've been riding most of the time in those 16 years you skated. That might be the only way out of this. Stick to one setup that worked great in the past. You've been posting the same problem for months now, it's time to stop thinking about gear and actually skate. Don't do this to yourself. But if you do, I don't think anyone on slap can help you, but therapy might. And this isn't an insult, absolutely everbody could gain a lot by going to therapy. I sure did
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Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
Honestly, the most important thing is to have fun for me. While progressing is fun in it's own way, being way too in your head about random stuff like your style and bag of tricks isn't. Some sessions are good, some are better, and other are just horrible, and that's OK.
I'm definitely not the best skater in my town, but whenever I go, I have fun. That's all that matters for me. I like to go fast, do the tricks I can do as well as I can, and work on some tricks I think I could get, which doesn't always work out.
I always see dudes who are really freaking good at skating freak tf out, getting super mad because they didn't land their crazy flip in/flip out trick or something, and they don't look like they're having the best time. Unless you get paid to skate, there's no reason to take it this seriously. On the contrary, I spend a shit ton of money on skate stuff, so I might as well enjoy it otherwise what's the point?
As for your question about "does the setup have an effect on your progress", I'd say changing your setup constantly is gonna have a negative effect on your progress for sure, while getting to know your own setup and adjusting to it is gonna make everything much easier, at least for me. There is no mystical, magical setup that's gonna make someone a better skater, otherwise everyone would be skating the same shit. It's all about preference, influence and the type of skating you do.
In short: have fun and don't be too hard on yourself. Just go skate.
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Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
First of all. Mad props that you can talk so open about that. And I totally understand you. I am skating for 20 years now and there are days, where I feel absolutely terrible about my skills (check my signature under my post if you are interested). Anyway, you come off as really passionate and skateboarding is very important to you.
But, bad sessions are a part of that all. We all have those from time to time. We might have these expectations in our head, how we would like to do certain things.
I had a long talk yesterday with my homies, the key is, to let go of these expectations. Try to push yourself BUT always keep it fun. We all tend to be our own worst critic sometimes. That's where my feeling comes from, to never be happy with the things you do. It sucks and I need to work on that mentality.
These are my personal thoughts about that all, others might disagree with me here, but..
The best influence on personal progress is to stick with a specific setup which you feel comfortable on and ride that most of the time. Of course, try different things if you see a reason why you should change something. But no matter what, there just isn't one exact perfect setup for someone. My advice would be, to either stick with the Ventures or the Indys and try different foot placements for example. Ventures and Indys are very different trucks and I personally would tend to the Indys but that is for you to decide where you feel more comfortable. Skateboarding is mad difficult and will always be. Most people on this planet can't even ride one without falling.
Keep your head up mate and remember why you started skating. Because it is the most fun thing in the world.
Much love. <3
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Stevie does it…..what do you think his exit strategy is?
Set up a brand new complete every time he needs to change trucks because he is Stevie Williams.
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I think I have a decent antidote to the gear madness now. This week I got nervous about the gear. Over the last years, I've handed down stuff to unemployed friends, but still have few trucks and boards. So, set up a complete, got hyped and built expectations. Then went for a session, which was a complete shitshow. Nothing worked as I wanted. Came back to home, and (here's the antidote) disassembled the complete, put parts back to the box and made a mental note to pass them on.
Doesn't matter if it was just bad luck or bad day or actually because of the setup. I have a proven consistent complete, no need create alternatives to fix something that is not broken.
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I think I have a decent antidote to the gear madness now. This week I got nervous about the gear. Over the last years, I've handed down stuff to unemployed friends, but still have few trucks and boards. So, set up a complete, got hyped and built expectations. Then went for a session, which was a complete shitshow. Nothing worked as I wanted. Came back to home, and (here's the antidote) disassembled the complete, put parts back to the box and made a mental note to pass them on.
Doesn't matter if it was just bad luck or bad day or actually because of the setup. I have a proven consistent complete, no need create alternatives to fix something that is not broken.
Sitting gear is the worst *looks over at those boxes of trucks and wheels* donating the gear you don't like or use the 6mo rule...if you haven't touched it in 4-6mo ditch it.
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My deck got ripped in a collision so I figured why not send the deck to heaven with whatever leftover’s in my fannypack. So I put together a Venture baseplate, stock venture bushing, thunder hanger trio. And it feels so right. immediately my pop is not squirrely like on Royals and I could land bolts way more. The turn was close to a loose Royal too, without the effortlessness. The same bushings turned way better with the thunders than on the vs for some reason. I thought I had to put indy bushings on it to make up for it, but not, it's perfect
I wasn’t looking to ride it this much, but now I might ride it all summer instead of saving it for a winter beater.
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Just go back to what you've been riding most of the time in those 16 years you skated. That might be the only way out of this. Stick to one setup that worked great in the past. You've been posting the same problem for months now, it's time to stop thinking about gear and actually skate. Don't do this to yourself. But if you do, I don't think anyone on slap can help you, but therapy might. And this isn't an insult, absolutely everbody could gain a lot by going to therapy. I sure did
Honestly, the most important thing is to have fun for me. While progressing is fun in it's own way, being way too in your head about random stuff like your style and bag of tricks isn't. Some sessions are good, some are better, and other are just horrible, and that's OK.
I'm definitely not the best skater in my town, but whenever I go, I have fun. That's all that matters for me. I like to go fast, do the tricks I can do as well as I can, and work on some tricks I think I could get, which doesn't always work out.
I always see dudes who are really freaking good at skating freak tf out, getting super mad because they didn't land their crazy flip in/flip out trick or something, and they don't look like they're having the best time. Unless you get paid to skate, there's no reason to take it this seriously. On the contrary, I spend a shit ton of money on skate stuff, so I might as well enjoy it otherwise what's the point?
As for your question about "does the setup have an effect on your progress", I'd say changing your setup constantly is gonna have a negative effect on your progress for sure, while getting to know your own setup and adjusting to it is gonna make everything much easier, at least for me. There is no mystical, magical setup that's gonna make someone a better skater, otherwise everyone would be skating the same shit. It's all about preference, influence and the type of skating you do.
In short: have fun and don't be too hard on yourself. Just go skate.
First of all. Mad props that you can talk so open about that. And I totally understand you. I am skating for 20 years now and there are days, where I feel absolutely terrible about my skills (check my signature under my post if you are interested). Anyway, you come off as really passionate and skateboarding is very important to you.
But, bad sessions are a part of that all. We all have those from time to time. We might have these expectations in our head, how we would like to do certain things.
I had a long talk yesterday with my homies, the key is, to let go of these expectations. Try to push yourself BUT always keep it fun. We all tend to be our own worst critic sometimes. That's where my feeling comes from, to never be happy with the things you do. It sucks and I need to work on that mentality.
These are my personal thoughts about that all, others might disagree with me here, but..
The best influence on personal progress is to stick with a specific setup which you feel comfortable on and ride that most of the time. Of course, try different things if you see a reason why you should change something. But no matter what, there just isn't one exact perfect setup for someone. My advice would be, to either stick with the Ventures or the Indys and try different foot placements for example. Ventures and Indys are very different trucks and I personally would tend to the Indys but that is for you to decide where you feel more comfortable. Skateboarding is mad difficult and will always be. Most people on this planet can't even ride one without falling.
Keep your head up mate and remember why you started skating. Because it is the most fun thing in the world.
Much love. <3
I read through this the other day when it was posted, but just couldn't reply at the time.
Now reading through it all again and having a minute to reply, I have this to add.
I have seen lots of people come and go in skateboarding, even felt the frustration and anger at myself getting the better of me often enough, even recently when things just didn't work out whatever I was trying, but for some people who are struggling for whatever reason, having a meltdown and breaking their board or taking out their frustrations in other ways, it is only going to make things worse.
I know at times like that I just have to take a breath and even take a break, then either leave whatever it was for a better time, or just find somewhere to roll around without needing to make myself do anything much, even though I might be more keen to try a whole lot more than I should at the time. Lots of things get to me, be it a bad night sleep, not eating right, or the best one, a negative interaction with my other half (and she knows just the right buttons to push as well) so then if I think I just need to skate and those things are already bugging me, then chances are things are going to go bad, more so than get better.
If something is not working with the board, try to figure out what it is, but don't put too much into it, as in that exact point of a bearing making a little noise, or a truck squeak or whatever else that can send you over the edge, compared to tightening or loosening trucks a little, or something with the shoes or deck getting old, or too new or whatever it is. Seen people take apart their whole board and rebuild it in the middle of a session, which might have helped but sure did look a bit weird, but whatever works to help take your attention off a specific issue is a good thing to do sometimes.
Having "Gear Madness" is a real thing - sometimes trying out too many options will make things way worse, but more often than not, you might also find what does work best for you, so can fine tune things from all those experiences into something that means keeping a certain brand of truck, or a height of truck, or even combinations of truck bushing, board, wheelbase, or whatever will usually lead back to a stable point, or something that you can rely on at least to restart things and build on that, before going down a rabbit hole or worse.
At least I will always have a skateboard and a place to go in some form or other, just to have a roll and forget about everything else, which has always made it so appealing and accessible to me, compared to almost anything else, or dealing with anyone else, where you need specific things, locations, other people or places you have to rely on. This is just me on my own, doing what I want, when I want to. Some days, or even up to a week sometimes, I just don't feel like rolling, but other times and days, I am very keen, even with injuries, I can still get out somewhere for something, not pushing myself if I don't need to, or taking it easy if I know I can't go too hard for whatever reason, so with that I would like to think I never take this for granted, given everything else that could be going on.
Leaving it at that for now, but remember, you are never alone with this - there are always lots of other people, skaters, whoever, that are all at some point going through the same things.
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I just like PS Stix more than BBS. The concave feels way better IMHO. Can't put my finger on it. Not sure why I keep giving BBS a try.
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because they make up the majority of the market? ie. PS boards are not easy to find always....
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because they make up the majority of the market? ie. PS boards are not easy to find always....
True. I have some on ice, but BBS is way easier to find sadly. I know Toy Machine and Pizza use them.
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Has anyone gone from 1/4” risers and 58mm wheels to no risers and like 52/54mm wheels? Interesting to know what your experience was like.
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I was on 1/8 risers and 60mm wheels for some time. Honestly everything got so much easier with the 52-54mm wheels. Large wheels are cool to just roll around but when it comes to actual performance smaller wheels are so much better.
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because they make up the majority of the market? ie. PS boards are not easy to find always....
I always had an easy time finding PS Prior to covid. 2017-2019 I skated a lot of PS Stix I'm pretty sure. Seems like they're harder to find now as Paul and maybe the brands are doing smaller runs on PS molds or brands have been testing other woodshops to save money and supply chain issues.
I haven't skated one in ages, but I always enjoyed their shapes, even if the stability/durability was hit or miss.
Now I just keep BBS on repeat: Black Label, Hockey, DLX
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Pizza is probably the easiest way to get PS Stix in the US. They got some good deals on wood, I got 2 decks for $35 each after discounts and shipping. And the mystery box is even better.
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Has anyone gone from 1/4” risers and 58mm wheels to no risers and like 52/54mm wheels? Interesting to know what your experience was like.
I was on 1/8 risers and 60mm wheels for some time. Honestly everything got so much easier with the 52-54mm wheels. Large wheels are cool to just roll around but when it comes to actual performance smaller wheels are so much better.
Yeah for sure.
Big wheels and risers to combat wheelbite, or give extra height to allow for more turn, but the tail is further off the ground, which might be fine for transition or not so tech skating, but it can make some things harder.
Smaller wheels and no risers the tail is way closer to the ground and way easier to get tech or do some things that you might not do on bigger wheels with risers, but it can also be a bit weird to get used to. Once there, everything was easier for me, but adapting to either or both can have benefits too.
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Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
Hey mate, we haven't heard back from you.
I hope you feel better today. :)
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When fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?
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When fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?
You can't skate 53/54 on lows. I wheelbite often on 50s.
Personally, I'd suggest the 5.2 V-Light highs, because I think 5.2 casts are a lil too tall proportionally.
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Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..
Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..
I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?
Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..
Hey mate, we haven't heard back from you.
I hope you feel better today. :)
I was just going to answer you because your messages have been very beneficial to me and have allowed me to reflect on all this.. I took a three-day break from skating, took a short break on instagram, and I I walked a lot in the forest to recharge myself mentally.
I was lucky to have my best skate friend come to my house this weekend, because we don't live in the same place anymore, knowing that I moved, and I was able to talk about it with him. He is one of the people who can ride any parameter, any size even if it's too small or too big.. And he told me one thing, which he kept repeating to me, but this time, in a detailed conversation and by genuinely expressing how I feel, he told me that I'm just asking myself too many questions and that I just have to skate, and maybe I've pay attention on the trucks, length, wheelbase, surely blocked my progress .. to tell myself that "Ah yes finally, maybe I should skate shorter in length because I have small legs, but also maybe I would have less balance, ah but maybe I also need such or such trucks so that it goes better etc etc .." INFERNAL SPIRAL ..
I then took the time to think when I was alone, and it is true that I had an illumination that made me say one thing: Before madness, I skated what I had without taking all this into account, and .. it worked and I skated well !
That's why I bought my next board, without looking at the size of the length and wheelbase, and hell, I just want to love having a board that I like at my width board size, that's all !
As for my self-confidence, which is sometimes negative, he also told me that I have to give a damn about it, no matter the position of my legs, no matter how I do my tricks, the important is to just skate and land your tricks well.. I would never be a pro, I don't see why putting so much pressure on myself in fact.. I know that I have a chance to skate again, and that I I never stopped, and, which makes me happy, many told me that I had a very good spirit and that I often motivated .. (Especially the kids).
Anyway, all that to say that it's a long way to get out of this fucking madness, but I'm wasting too much time on this..
Thank you for the advice that made me smile and relativized .. :-* I think back to a quote from Collin Provost about the term Stay Gold in an interview "Stay gold is remembering why you started skating, just being on your board and not giving a fuck, before the industry comes into the equation, that's it Stay gold" I'll just think of skating like first years..
I do not hope to fall back into this hell ..
But, do you agree with me that in the end, all these parameters may be blocking us in our progress and mentality ?
"Skate for fun"
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When fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?
You can't skate 53/54 on lows. I wheelbite often on 50s.
Personally, I'd suggest the 5.2 V-Light highs, because I think 5.2 casts are a lil too tall proportionally.
Thank you! 5.2 v-lights will be!
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Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.
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Just ordered a Girl board. I don’t have madness per se, but I’m always worried I’ll find a shape I love and it’ll be discounted/hard to track down. Crailtap having a shape guide should be the standard for every brand. Plus my first board was a Chocolate and I really loved that thing (still have it since I started skating last year).
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Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.
That was very motivational. Thanks for that reminder.
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Just ordered a Girl board. I don’t have madness per se, but I’m always worried I’ll find a shape I love and it’ll be discounted/hard to track down. Crailtap having a shape guide should be the standard for every brand. Plus my first board was a Chocolate and I really loved that thing (still have it since I started skating last year).
Your answer touches me a lot and there are beautiful quotes. All this is true. THANKS ! Skateboarding brings us so much happiness.. Much more happiness than unhappiness !
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Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.
I completely agree on this! I've been thinking lately that one factor might be that well, I used to have hours and hours daily for skateboarding younger, as today I only have few hours a week, if even that. What starts as rational thinking to get your setup to work as well as possible for getitng most out of those moments ends up to substitute of skateboarding, overanalysing the measurements and what not.
As I've said before, every second on the board is a gift at this point. I should remember it also when not landing so many tricks as I used to.
I also think that there's lot of wisdom in the "the older he gets the better he was"...
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I’ve shifted focus to little goals. Like getting better at pushing and riding switch, improving my balance with yoga, etc. It’s best to have a chill approach to skating if you’re not trying to go pro.
There’s a lot of negative self-talk in the community. I hate when folks are like, “Oh I suck.” No you don’t. The average person can’t even ride a skateboard. If you can do that without falling off every five seconds you don’t suck.
I think the issue is we’re exposed to amazing, super human skateboarding on the daily. So we rank ourselves next to pros. You don’t see this happening in other hobbies. Like guys who hoop don’t go around saying, “I suck, did you see what Lebron did last night?”
The madness comes from us wanting to be as good as possible. But it’s really a mental health issue. I know I suffer from OCD, anxiety, and depression. So it’s easy for me to focus on the wrong things.
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Pushing switch and not looking dumb while at it is a huge accomplishment
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I’ve shifted focus to little goals. Like getting better at pushing and riding switch, improving my balance with yoga, etc. It’s best to have a chill approach to skating if you’re not trying to go pro.
There’s a lot of negative self-talk in the community. I hate when folks are like, “Oh I suck.” No you don’t. The average person can’t even ride a skateboard. If you can do that without falling off every five seconds you don’t suck.
I think the issue is we’re exposed to amazing, super human skateboarding on the daily. So we rank ourselves next to pros. You don’t see this happening in other hobbies. Like guys who hoop don’t go around saying, “I suck, did you see what Lebron did last night?”
The madness comes from us wanting to be as good as possible. But it’s really a mental health issue. I know I suffer from OCD, anxiety, and depression. So it’s easy for me to focus on the wrong things.
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Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.
I completely agree on this! I've been thinking lately that one factor might be that well, I used to have hours and hours daily for skateboarding younger, as today I only have few hours a week, if even that. What starts as rational thinking to get your setup to work as well as possible for getitng most out of those moments ends up to substitute of skateboarding, overanalysing the measurements and what not.
As I've said before, every second on the board is a gift at this point. I should remember it also when not landing so many tricks as I used to.
I also think that there's lot of wisdom in the "the older he gets the better he was"...
So what you're both saying is to gaslight myself into thinking I've always been shit and when I have a half-decent day I should be ecstatic, got it.
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So what you're both saying is to gaslight myself into thinking I've always been shit and when I have a half-decent day I should be ecstatic, got it.
That's one way to interpret it, sure. But I'm 46, and can't do on board what I did 25 or even 15 years ago. I also have much less time to skate. Took me a while to accept these facts. After that it's been more fun and less bitter memories of past achievements. It's been even more fun since I stopped changing my complete for every session. Your mileage may vary, of course.
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Thanks for the perspective. I’ve been hating myself lately for not landing tricks I could land consistently years ago. On the top of that, the 13 year olds I skate with are landing new tricks in just one session. It’s amazing how fast they improve and how fast I get worse. Lately, at the end of my sessions when it’s too dark for trying tricks, I’m riding and pushing switch and it makes me feel better too.
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Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.
So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.
Having the time to be that good is a privilege.
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Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
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Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
If you got the parts try setting up a Venture baseplate (I use cast) / Thunder hanger and either stock Venture bushings or indys if you ride loose. There's some magic in it I swear. It's like 85% of the Royal turn with the Venture stability. Mess with diff bushings if it doesn't feel right, there's a bushing sweetspot for sure.
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Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.
So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.
Having the time to be that good is a privilege.
Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.
On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.
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Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.
So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.
Having the time to be that good is a privilege.
Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.
On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.
Totally. I have more money than time. Which is why I have twenty decks on ice. It’s so easy to go wild when $60 is nothing to you as an adult. But when you were younger that seemed like a lot. It’s funny (sad) I skate twice a week and probably have more gear than some pros 😭
Been fighting the urge to buy Ventures lately since it’s the only major truck I don’t own. They’re $41 on Tactics, but I know the mental cost will be far greater.
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Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.
So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.
Having the time to be that good is a privilege.
Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.
On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.
I agree with regular adults not having the time to progress at the rate of kids but I also find most older guys waste away the time they do have to skate bullshitting at the spot. I get that its fun to hang out but you can't complain about being shitty at it if you spend none of the free time you do have actually trying.
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Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
That's why I
came to realize one thing too, I
I say "damn but for 5 years I kept changing trucks, board length, and in fact I always skated the same way and I was neither stronger nor weaker with each setup.. Damn it's all psychological!"
I really don't care and let it be.. next board I buy, I keep my size and take it if I find it pretty and if I like the brand.. any size or else .. thinking about all this has certainly made me forget the pure pleasure of skating .. and destroyed many sessions for me ..
Now, if I can give one advice that popped into my head.. think positive and have a smile, no matter how bad the session is..
I don't want to fall back into this hell again, and take advantage of the few years I have left to skate relatively well !
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Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
Feeling your pain.
Been having a few very "unhappy" sessions recently, but maybe having a little time off the board might not be such a bad thing.
I had to give it a rest for a bit, then just eased back and I felt a whole lot better for it too.
Sure it doesn't work for everyone, but having some time out and then having a very chilled roll around is a good way to just let things go and have a bit of a release without going too hard.
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Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.
Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.
So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.
I feel you brother. I got a G016 because it was mad cheap and I was like "let's see how this tiny tail works". Jesus I was so naive... Hated the thing, tried to make it work 3 times and it was just a waste of time. Yesterday didn't even skated and instead of that I went to get a t-shirt that I liked.
Now I'll setup the old board that is not even that old.
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I had a madness of skating only mob grip. Any other grip would just feel inferior. I would skate vans with mob. I just dealt with not flipping the board right for two weeks until I would literally get my shoes down to nothing and have a week of somewhat consistent flips . I started skating blazers and the flick was perfect. But mob would just disintegrate my kickflip spot. So I finally went to jessup and i'm in pure bliss. brand new shoes and board feel already broken in. And they last twice as long. I was always worried that jessup would lose grip over some time. It does, but not as much as I thought. Currently riding jessup with NB#440's and this is the best combo i've skated in years.
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i like this thread.
i currently have the madness.
i been skating a 9" symmetrical egg and i love the eggs but wanted something a bit smaller to have easier flips.
I ordered the Grimplestix Egg 8.75 and it tapers over the back truck so that you can see the wheels. this drives me crazy so im immediately like no i cant skate this.. so then i go to my local and they have ZERO eggs. i decided to get a 8.75 polar popsicle deck. this feels do bad and weird and i cannot gel with it. so not im sitting on 3 or 4 different decks and dont want to skate any of them really.
i've been going crazy trying to find the specs for the 8.88 heroin eggs bc i think i would like that better than the 9'. the issue is they like trying to find a unicorn right now, so the alternative is the double shovel symmetrical deck from heroin. the Mandy double shovel with the mac n cheese goblin.
Do any of you have experience with double shovel decks?
im currently skating indy 159s and would prefer not to have to buy another set of trucks, but if i want to go down in deck size i think i may have to.
ugh how do you decide without being able to hold the board in your hands first?
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i like this thread.
i currently have the madness.
i been skating a 9" symmetrical egg and i love the eggs but wanted something a bit smaller to have easier flips.
I ordered the Grimplestix Egg 8.75 and it tapers over the back truck so that you can see the wheels. this drives me crazy so im immediately like no i cant skate this.. so then i go to my local and they have ZERO eggs. i decided to get a 8.75 polar popsicle deck. this feels do bad and weird and i cannot gel with it. so not im sitting on 3 or 4 different decks and dont want to skate any of them really.
i've been going crazy trying to find the specs for the 8.88 heroin eggs bc i think i would like that better than the 9'. the issue is they like trying to find a unicorn right now, so the alternative is the double shovel symmetrical deck from heroin. the Mandy double shovel with the mac n cheese goblin.
Do any of you have experience with double shovel decks?
im currently skating indy 159s and would prefer not to have to buy another set of trucks, but if i want to go down in deck size i think i may have to.
ugh how do you decide without being able to hold the board in your hands first?
Check this post, more so for the good top pic of a double shovel deck - not sure if it is the same shape you are curious about, but I know I have found some good pics of tops of boards to really get a good look and some places will have a lot more info and specs too, eg the over the truck measurements from Conflict Skate Shop and now even Tactics to some degree really help with that.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125937.0
Mandy dimensions below 9 at widest probably closer to 8.6 over trucks.
Width (in): 9.0
Length (in): 31.75
Wheelbase (in): 14.25
Nose (in): 6.75
Tail (in): 6.81
https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/heroin-dead-dave-lives---double-shovel--skateboard-deck-90-x-3175-green--pool-ramp-32878-p.asp
9.0" x 31.75"
7.0" nose
6.625" tail
14.25" WB (measured from inner to inner holes)
New hole truck pattern
Width over front truck : 8.875"
Width over rear truck : 9.0"
This one more just as an example:
https://www.tactics.com/heroin/space-egg-2-94-skateboard-deck/teal
SPECS
SIZE 9.4
FRONT WIDTH (IN): 9.125
CENTER WIDTH (IN): 9.4
BACK WIDTH (IN): 9.25
LENGTH (IN): 32.06
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.5
NOSE (IN): 7.25
TAIL (IN): 6.375
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i like this thread.
i currently have the madness.
i been skating a 9" symmetrical egg and i love the eggs but wanted something a bit smaller to have easier flips.
I ordered the Grimplestix Egg 8.75 and it tapers over the back truck so that you can see the wheels. this drives me crazy so im immediately like no i cant skate this.. so then i go to my local and they have ZERO eggs. i decided to get a 8.75 polar popsicle deck. this feels do bad and weird and i cannot gel with it. so not im sitting on 3 or 4 different decks and dont want to skate any of them really.
i've been going crazy trying to find the specs for the 8.88 heroin eggs bc i think i would like that better than the 9'. the issue is they like trying to find a unicorn right now, so the alternative is the double shovel symmetrical deck from heroin. the Mandy double shovel with the mac n cheese goblin.
Do any of you have experience with double shovel decks?
im currently skating indy 159s and would prefer not to have to buy another set of trucks, but if i want to go down in deck size i think i may have to.
ugh how do you decide without being able to hold the board in your hands first?
Check this post, more so for the good top pic of a double shovel deck - not sure if it is the same shape you are curious about, but I know I have found some good pics of tops of boards to really get a good look and some places will have a lot more info and specs too, eg the over the truck measurements from Conflict Skate Shop and now even Tactics to some degree really help with that.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125937.0
Mandy dimensions below 9 at widest probably closer to 8.6 over trucks.
Width (in): 9.0
Length (in): 31.75
Wheelbase (in): 14.25
Nose (in): 6.75
Tail (in): 6.81
https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/heroin-dead-dave-lives---double-shovel--skateboard-deck-90-x-3175-green--pool-ramp-32878-p.asp
9.0" x 31.75"
7.0" nose
6.625" tail
14.25" WB (measured from inner to inner holes)
New hole truck pattern
Width over front truck : 8.875"
Width over rear truck : 9.0"
This one more just as an example:
https://www.tactics.com/heroin/space-egg-2-94-skateboard-deck/teal
SPECS
SIZE 9.4
FRONT WIDTH (IN): 9.125
CENTER WIDTH (IN): 9.4
BACK WIDTH (IN): 9.25
LENGTH (IN): 32.06
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.5
NOSE (IN): 7.25
TAIL (IN): 6.375
Thanks for this. Tactics does have the best spec sheets ive seen.
They are just out of the specific egg i want but now i'm kind of interested in either the Powell Heron 2 egg or Andy's new shape but andy's new shape seems like a gimmick. i really like the squared off nose/tail that his decks have like the shovel shapes. i've just never tried one myself.
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I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
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I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
insane.
respect.
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I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
The funny thing is I usually go more the other way - round them off, including Lock ins which worked way more like Classics.
That would have been a hard slog, but they look like they turned out really well for you.
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I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
That’s awesome!
What trucks do you ride? I like the v3’s as well but haven’t had a set in a couple of years
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Been trying to not spend money and do what I can with the gear I already own. Stage 11 hangers work good on Ace classic baseplates but stage 7 hangers work even better. Had a really good session today on this. Fully dialed in and everything.
(https://i.ibb.co/jfKjCsp/PXL-20230905-225324835.jpg)
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I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
I'm curious regarding what are those "not right tools"
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I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
What trucks do you ride? I like the v3’s as well but haven’t had a set in a couple of years
Thunder titanium 148
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I just spent way too many hours rasping and sanding 54mm classic fulls into more of a lock in shape (without the right tools). I took 2mm off one side in order to have exactly as much truck space as with the super skinny bones v3 shape I like. Seems like it fits in this topic even though I'm happy, turned out great. If I had the tools, I'd probably do the same thing to the other side as well, turning them into conicals or even tablets.
(https://i.ibb.co/wrpjkxv/20230905-004350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wrpjkxv)
Well all I had was griptape and a rasp that was a bit too smooth for the job
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In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
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I've been skating exclusively F4 since they dropped (2014? Can't even remember) but all this X99 talk got me weak. Want to try some badly.
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Been trying to not spend money and do what I can with the gear I already own. Stage 11 hangers work good on Ace classic baseplates but stage 7 hangers work even better. Had a really good session today on this. Fully dialed in and everything.
(https://i.ibb.co/jfKjCsp/PXL-20230905-225324835.jpg)
Two 1/8" risers on that set up?
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In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
Yes, I'm always struggling with trucks madness too. I was on Thunders with 1/8" wooden risers for a good while and I know that I do my best skating on these. Now I've been back on Indy and while I like the feel of Indys, I feel like I don't skate quite as well on them. I've also tried Ace AF1 hollows, which were also pretty good, as well as Ventures, which I didn't really give a chance to. I'm trying to stick with Indy atm but I often miss how crispy my tricks were on Thunders a lot. Might setup the Ventures again and actually give them time to break in. People seem to really like them so they can't be that bad. I just don't wanna buy new Thunders as I already have 3 pairs of trucks laying around.
This madness shit is no joke.
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In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
Yes, I'm always struggling with trucks madness too. I was on Thunders with 1/8" wooden risers for a good while and I know that I do my best skating on these. Now I've been back on Indy and while I like the feel of Indys, I feel like I don't skate quite as well on them. I've also tried Ace AF1 hollows, which were also pretty good, as well as Ventures, which I didn't really give a chance to. I'm trying to stick with Indy atm but I often miss how crispy my tricks were on Thunders a lot. Might setup the Ventures again and actually give them time to break in. People seem to really like them so they can't be that bad. I just don't wanna buy new Thunders as I already have 3 pairs of trucks laying around.
This madness shit is no joke.
Ya I had the same experience. At the end of the day if the landings are shit and you're landing less, the Indys are holding you back. Stick with the Ventures. I can do the same shit on all the trucks I have skated with some differences in height, quality, etc., but at the end of the day you improve by repetition. If you do 1 beastly kickflip out of 10 on Indys and whiff 50% of your nollie tricks but boost the other half that is less useful for learning than if you do 8/10 kickflips on Ventures and don't whiff any nollie tricks but pop em a bit lower.
I hated Ventures in the past and got some V-Lights in a trade and put them on my 14.38WB deck, which I was convinced you just can't ride with Ventures. I had mostly used them on 14.25 in the past. "Effective WB" be damned I am more consistent on them for almost all types of tricks than Indys and was on par with Thunder in sesh 1. Since then I have gotten used to the timing and 3 weeks later am on par with Thunder. I've tried cast as well and it takes about an hour or two to adjust from the V-lights.
Now I have 3 types of trucks I can run and get used to depending on what I am feeling. Its not a bad thing if you let go of there only being one thing you can ride forever out of some sort of brand loyalty.
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In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
Yes, I'm always struggling with trucks madness too. I was on Thunders with 1/8" wooden risers for a good while and I know that I do my best skating on these. Now I've been back on Indy and while I like the feel of Indys, I feel like I don't skate quite as well on them. I've also tried Ace AF1 hollows, which were also pretty good, as well as Ventures, which I didn't really give a chance to. I'm trying to stick with Indy atm but I often miss how crispy my tricks were on Thunders a lot. Might setup the Ventures again and actually give them time to break in. People seem to really like them so they can't be that bad. I just don't wanna buy new Thunders as I already have 3 pairs of trucks laying around.
This madness shit is no joke.
Ya I had the same experience. At the end of the day if the landings are shit and you're landing less, the Indys are holding you back. Stick with the Ventures. I can do the same shit on all the trucks I have skated with some differences in height, quality, etc., but at the end of the day you improve by repetition. If you do 1 beastly kickflip out of 10 on Indys and whiff 50% of your nollie tricks but boost the other half that is less useful for learning than if you do 8/10 kickflips on Ventures and don't whiff any nollie tricks but pop em a bit lower.
I hated Ventures in the past and got some V-Lights in a trade and put them on my 14.38WB deck, which I was convinced you just can't ride with Ventures. I had mostly used them on 14.25 in the past. "Effective WB" be damned I am more consistent on them for almost all types of tricks than Indys and was on par with Thunder in sesh 1. Since then I have gotten used to the timing and 3 weeks later am on par with Thunder. I've tried cast as well and it takes about an hour or two to adjust from the V-lights.
Now I have 3 types of trucks I can run and get used to depending on what I am feeling. Its not a bad thing if you let go of there only being one thing you can ride forever out of some sort of brand loyalty.
I landed way more on the Ventures that's for sure. I just really like the way I feel on the board with the Indys. Can't have it all I guess. haha
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Venture comments are timely. I'm thinking about trying them again. It's been awhile. I'll be coming off Indy Forged 144s. I don't like the height of standard Indys. That said, what do you guys advise? Cast 5.6s or one of the forged 5.6 options? Thanks in advance!
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Honestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.
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Honestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.
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Honestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.
Shit, it's in someone's sig on here check the Venture thread and read the sigs, but I think forged is like 51.8 or 51.9, Cast is 53.1 or something similar.
I have the V-Hollows as my cast truck, which are lighter than normal Ventures and maybe less hefty pop feel, but to me the 2 options have always felt different enough to notice.
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Honestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.
Shit, it's in someone's sig on here check the Venture thread and read the sigs, but I think forged is like 51.8 or 51.9, Cast is 53.1 or something similar.
I have the V-Hollows as my cast truck, which are lighter than normal Ventures and maybe less hefty pop feel, but to me the 2 options have always felt different enough to notice.
Thanks for the info. I’ve been madness-free for awhile. We need to change that. :)
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Honestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.
Shit, it's in someone's sig on here check the Venture thread and read the sigs, but I think forged is like 51.8 or 51.9, Cast is 53.1 or something similar.
I have the V-Hollows as my cast truck, which are lighter than normal Ventures and maybe less hefty pop feel, but to me the 2 options have always felt different enough to notice.
Thanks for the info. I’ve been madness-free for awhile. We need to change that. :)
Approximately 53.5 on cast plates and 52 on forged plates.
@rocklobster has it in signature with the exact measurements:
Signature:
Venture Truck Height:
5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm
5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m
Venture thread (if you really want to tech out):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108614.4740
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In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
So just reading back over your posts, you are currently on Indy stage 4 reissues and stage 9 trucks?
I would say the reissues would be a bit more turny than anything else, especially current versions, but what I was going to say more than anything is the bushings will make or break the feeling of pop and landing tricks, especially if they are not solid enough, so using harder bushings might be something to try to firm up the feeling on Indy trucks.
Sure it is not going to change things completely to feel like Ventures, but I noticed that right away when I tried slightly harder bushings in my usual stage 9, 10 and 11 Indy standard trucks, things just seemed to work better and I was having fewer balance issues - getting older, being more lazy with tricks, not bending knees enough, etc.
Just a thought anyway, but I have seen others post similar things on here as well as skating with others to test things like that too.
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Honestly I feel like I understand less about trucks lately. I really, really like the snap of V Lights/forged except for ollie'ing up onto or over tall stuff. No clue why. And the board still feels nimble.
I rode Indy fairly recently and think the cast are closest in pop feel. Kinda heavier and delayed with a really good snap. Likely to be your best bet.
Thanks. Curious, do you know what the height on Cast vs. Forged is? It surprising that Thunder lists those specs, but Venture does not.
Shit, it's in someone's sig on here check the Venture thread and read the sigs, but I think forged is like 51.8 or 51.9, Cast is 53.1 or something similar.
I have the V-Hollows as my cast truck, which are lighter than normal Ventures and maybe less hefty pop feel, but to me the 2 options have always felt different enough to notice.
Thanks for the info. I’ve been madness-free for awhile. We need to change that. :)
Approximately 53.5 on cast plates and 52 on forged plates.
@rocklobster has it in signature with the exact measurements:
Signature:
Venture Truck Height:
5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm
5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m
Venture thread (if you really want to tech out):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108614.4740
I •knew• you would know. :) Thanks. Cast will be my new madness project. :)
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Been trying to not spend money and do what I can with the gear I already own. Stage 11 hangers work good on Ace classic baseplates but stage 7 hangers work even better. Had a really good session today on this. Fully dialed in and everything.
(https://i.ibb.co/jfKjCsp/PXL-20230905-225324835.jpg)
Two 1/8" risers on that set up?
2 Real 3-ply risers and then two stacked Ace 1/16" shock pads. So 3/8" total. Sounds nuts but on a board with pretty much zero concave it just feel like a normal concave board with 1/4" risers. I'm skating transition and curbs and more into the surf feel of skating so I'm used to being high off the ground and have no issues with stability or feeling "tippy".
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In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
So just reading back over your posts, you are currently on Indy stage 4 reissues and stage 9 trucks?
[ That's correct. Stage 4's on my 8.0 and I set up the stage 9's on an FA thinking they where 139's but they are in fact 129's. :-X It's actually nice and feels right. lol ]
I would say the reissues would be a bit more turny than anything else, especially current versions, but what I was going to say more than anything is the bushings will make or break the feeling of pop and landing tricks, especially if they are not solid enough, so using harder bushings might be something to try to firm up the feeling on Indy trucks.
[ I'd switched the red bushings with the aftermarket "soft" red ones already. So its a bit firmer.]
Sure it is not going to change things completely to feel like Ventures, but I noticed that right away when I tried slightly harder bushings in my usual stage 9, 10 and 11 Indy standard trucks, things just seemed to work better and I was having fewer balance issues - getting older, being more lazy with tricks, not bending knees enough, etc.
[Looking at my footage I think it's the way I skate that's the issue, I squat a lot and when I go to pop, No Antwuan here. I can see that the board starts to tilt a bit and I lean. Then with my landings if its not bolts then I'm carving out and stepping off. On the Ventures Its a stable launch. If that makes any sense.]
Just a thought anyway, but I have seen others post similar things on here as well as skating with others to test things like that too.
I set up some 5.2's last night on the 8.0 and just doing a few tre flips was such a huge difference. Maybe I should try the loose truck kit...That might just defeat the whole ordeal tho.
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It clearly sounds like forcing looseness is an issue for your ability to actually do tricks. Leave things stable and learn to lean more. Unless you're skating really tight transition or constricted street spots there isn't any reason you need some specific level of looseness.
Just look at how tight Reynolds rides his trucks. It's not a shameful thing. Even local transition skaters I've met ride much tighter than your average Slap poster and they skate way gnarlier shit.
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It clearly sounds like forcing looseness is an issue for your ability to actually do tricks. Leave things stable and learn to lean more. Unless you're skating really tight transition or constricted street spots there isn't any reason you need some specific level of looseness.
Just look at how tight Reynolds rides his trucks. It's not a shameful thing. Even local transition skaters I've met ride much tighter than your average Slap poster and they skate way gnarlier shit.
For sure! I'll go back and watch. Watching the Huf video again right now and everyone's boards are solid and stable.
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Been trying to not spend money and do what I can with the gear I already own. Stage 11 hangers work good on Ace classic baseplates but stage 7 hangers work even better. Had a really good session today on this. Fully dialed in and everything.
(https://i.ibb.co/jfKjCsp/PXL-20230905-225324835.jpg)
Two 1/8" risers on that set up?
2 Real 3-ply risers and then two stacked Ace 1/16" shock pads. So 3/8" total. Sounds nuts but on a board with pretty much zero concave it just feel like a normal concave board with 1/4" risers. I'm skating transition and curbs and more into the surf feel of skating so I'm used to being high off the ground and have no issues with stability or feeling "tippy".
Doesn't sound nuts to me. I'm glad to see someone not afraid of risers. Real do 5 ply risers also. I'm sure you knew that.
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It clearly sounds like forcing looseness is an issue for your ability to actually do tricks. Leave things stable and learn to lean more. Unless you're skating really tight transition or constricted street spots there isn't any reason you need some specific level of looseness.
Just look at how tight Reynolds rides his trucks. It's not a shameful thing. Even local transition skaters I've met ride much tighter than your average Slap poster and they skate way gnarlier shit.
For sure! I'll go back and watch. Watching the Huf video again right now and everyone's boards are solid and stable.
I saw Nik Stain post his board and his rear truck had 3-4 threads showing. Tom Knox did too somewhat recently and he had threads showing with the Indy yellow bushings.
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I’ve noted this before, but I think the average pro is likely skating so much faster than us schmucks that their inertia more than compensates for their tighter trucks.
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I'm sure most of us could benefit from skating a bit faster as I have almost never seen a single unsponsored skater skating too fast.
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In the midst of all the madness, I've switched back to Indys on both of my setups over the past 4-5 months. The Indys feel great, but they affect my tricks negatively. The landings can be shit. Ventures don't have the same feel, but my tricks look more polished with them. While I'm only record flat ground tricks, the difference is stark. I'm thinking of tightening my trucks a bit before considering a switch back. Anyone relate?
So just reading back over your posts, you are currently on Indy stage 4 reissues and stage 9 trucks?
[ That's correct. Stage 4's on my 8.0 and I set up the stage 9's on an FA thinking they where 139's but they are in fact 129's. :-X It's actually nice and feels right. lol ]
I would say the reissues would be a bit more turny than anything else, especially current versions, but what I was going to say more than anything is the bushings will make or break the feeling of pop and landing tricks, especially if they are not solid enough, so using harder bushings might be something to try to firm up the feeling on Indy trucks.
[ I'd switched the red bushings with the aftermarket "soft" red ones already. So its a bit firmer.]
Sure it is not going to change things completely to feel like Ventures, but I noticed that right away when I tried slightly harder bushings in my usual stage 9, 10 and 11 Indy standard trucks, things just seemed to work better and I was having fewer balance issues - getting older, being more lazy with tricks, not bending knees enough, etc.
[Looking at my footage I think it's the way I skate that's the issue, I squat a lot and when I go to pop, No Antwuan here. I can see that the board starts to tilt a bit and I lean. Then with my landings if its not bolts then I'm carving out and stepping off. On the Ventures Its a stable launch. If that makes any sense.]
Just a thought anyway, but I have seen others post similar things on here as well as skating with others to test things like that too.
I set up some 5.2's last night on the 8.0 and just doing a few tre flips was such a huge difference. Maybe I should try the loose truck kit...That might just defeat the whole ordeal tho.
Re Indy trucks:
Yeah I get what you are saying. Funny I tried a well used set of yellow 96 duro bushings in normal Indy trucks yesterday and they loosen up a lot once worn in but still have the very stable centre on them, compared to the normal stock or even the other 90, 92 and 94 duro bushings. I still prefer my other older runs of the red 92 duro bushings, but there are current options out there that make things work well too. It just takes a bit to wear them in because from new, they don't seem like they want to turn at all, then once broken in, they feel like a firm stock bushing, but I think it took a while to get these bushings to that point, from whoever skated them before me.
Re your Venture trucks:
Even just trying the existing bushings without the bottom washer will give you a lot more turn just to sample what that feels like, then put the washer back on and enjoy the stable board feeling.
The loose truck bushing kit is great for having green bushings, or a lower head, or even a bit more give in the trucks if you don't feel like the stock bushings with washers and nut flush is giving you enough turn, but for a normal weight person riding them with the kingpin nut flush, those things are so loose they are detrimental to most normal skating, unless you are like Daewon in ankle strength.
I like them, but I definitely don't run the nut flush and have the wobbly loose feeling on the set of Ventures I had them in.
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88A Supercush with flat top washer unlocks a lot of turn in the end of the turn.
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As much as I loved my 8.75 w/ 159s combo in the beginning, it’s starting to feel a little bulky. So I jumped on a deal for a barely skated complete today, 8.5 deck with hollow 149s.. oddly enough both setups weigh exactly the same according to my bathroom scale. I should try and recoup some cash by selling the bigger board, but for what I’d get I’m better off keeping it. And this is how the senseless gear hoarding begins.
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I'm sure most of us could benefit from skating a bit faster as I have almost never seen a single unsponsored skater skating too fast.
yes, both of you are very on point imo
i skate so slow, it is shameful
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I'm saying it's the key to my longevity........skate slow....talk lots....
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Re your Venture trucks:
Even just trying the existing bushings without the bottom washer will give you a lot more turn just to sample what that feels like, then put the washer back on and enjoy the stable board feeling.
The loose truck bushing kit is great for having green bushings, or a lower head, or even a bit more give in the trucks if you don't feel like the stock bushings with washers and nut flush is giving you enough turn, but for a normal weight person riding them with the kingpin nut flush, those things are so loose they are detrimental to most normal skating, unless you are like Daewon in ankle strength.
I like them, but I definitely don't run the nut flush and have the wobbly loose feeling on the set of Ventures I had them in.
Super helpful info, considering I have some Venture's coming in the mail. Thank you.
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88A Supercush with flat top washer unlocks a lot of turn in the end of the turn.
I've spent the last two days back on the Ventures, and it's been great. The best part? I landed my first switch tre! I've been tweaking them back and fourth, and I think I've found a good balance for now. My buddy skates V-lights, which is funny because I have dismissed forged-cast trucks since trying forged Indys a while ago. But now, I question everything, again.lol
Thanks everyone my switch tre land is dedicated to the madness support. haha
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88A Supercush with flat top washer unlocks a lot of turn in the end of the turn.
I've spent the last two days back on the Ventures, and it's been great. The best part? I landed my first switch tre! I've been tweaking them back and fourth, and I think I've found a good balance for now. My buddy skates V-lights, which is funny because I have dismissed forged-cast trucks since trying forged Indys a while ago. But now, I question everything, again.lol
Thanks everyone my switch tre land is dedicated to the madness support. haha
a switch tre is worth the madness
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Fuck yes! switch tre is on my bucket list. I want a switch tre and a nollie heel within the next two years (before I am 50). I was never a tech dude... but I've been close to both of these tricks.
and now I feel like I need to start thinking about a set up to help me achieve these flatground goals... damn... loose Aces on my Huffer might not be the best flip trick set up. back to a Couch/Loveseat? Loveseat plus on some Thunders and small wheels?
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My nollie heel came at 48 and the switch tre never happened, a few horrific switch impossibles is all I could muster…
Venture Hi IMO is the most flippable trucks….you can actually put pressure and get leverage….you try to do that on aces and you’ve turned like three times….
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I had some Ventures... but gave them away... prob a mistake...
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My nollie heel came at 48 and the switch tre never happened, a few horrific switch impossibles is all I could muster…
Venture Hi IMO is the most flippable trucks….you can actually put pressure and get leverage….you try to do that on aces and you’ve turned like three times….
If you have only turned 3 times on Ace then you're not realllllly living "loose trucks save lives"
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Fuck yes! switch tre is on my bucket list. I want a switch tre and a nollie heel within the next two years (before I am 50). I was never a tech dude... but I've been close to both of these tricks.
and now I feel like I need to start thinking about a set up to help me achieve these flatground goals... damn... loose Aces on my Huffer might not be the best flip trick set up. back to a Couch/Loveseat? Loveseat plus on some Thunders and small wheels?
thunders are great for flipping.
i can do some flip tricks on a huffer, probably some on a couch/loveseat.
wouldn’t try and learn shit on those tho.
nollie heels on the huffer were decent, fun even, don’t think i’d have learned them as easily on one.
kinda repeating myself here.
shaped boards, for me, work for the tricks i already know how to do. never unlocked new shit.
i learned flip tricks on 5.0s, maybe 139s. after that, wider trucks are good for other things, learning flip tricks no.
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I had a decent amount of flip trick success on the Couch shape with 151s... but the short wheelbase really fucked with my kick flips... I think its either a loveseat plus or an 8.5" pop with 14.25" WB. I'd rather not buy new trucks at this point so its either 151s or hard bushings and tighter AF1 55s/60s.
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I had a decent amount of flip trick success on the Couch shape with 151s... but the short wheelbase really fucked with my kick flips... I think its either a loveseat plus or an 8.5" pop with 14.25" WB. I'd rather not buy new trucks at this point so its either 151s or hard bushings and tighter AF1 55s/60s.
151s are sick.
af1 55s with hard bushings would do as well.
there is something there to the short wb and kickflips. and ollie’s too. but for me, that’s when i’m down around 13.75 or some shit.
once i come up for air, and i’m on a 14-14.25, most things are fine.
i’m a huge fan of the griffin gass shape. short tail (perfect to me), longer wb, 32” long, which is my absolute max. loved that board. you seem to like crail stuff so i’m throwing that one out there.
i tried to claim switch tres to flea on here, and i’ve just posed a few, every few sessions. no real threat of landing one, the first few tend to look plausible, and then i start to move further away from it. the last time i could tre-athalon was like 15 years ago, on a 7.8 baker and 139s. so long ago it doesn’t count, and i’m only bringing it up to let the shame of this uncle rico-ing wash over and motivate me to try and get there again.
short wb and kickflips and i go full snowboard stance, it’s not about height, it’s about survival.
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Was on my last setup with venture 5.8 standards for the full life of the deck, which I havent done in a very long time.
Usually a board will see two or three different trucks before I am fully done with it, so this is making me extremely happy. Gonna try stick to them for the foreseeable future and then occasionally skate Ace trucks when I get the itch for something completely different. (Don't think I could ever fully commit to one truck but having two trucks at complete opposite ends of the spectrum should keep me happy).
I have even gone as far as to put my other trucks up for sale so maybe there is light at the end of the madness tunnel.
Now if only I could decide on a board shape/size. ::)
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skatebaording started my OCD, now i cant leave a room without tocuing the light 3 times in a set of 4 to get to 7 which is a holy number
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My nollie heel came at 48 and the switch tre never happened, a few horrific switch impossibles is all I could muster…
Venture Hi IMO is the most flippable trucks….you can actually put pressure and get leverage….you try to do that on aces and you’ve turned like three times….
Thats the thing tho. With Indy's and Ace (never skated ace), in order to not turn when setting up for a trick, it forces you to pressure the board even more to go straight. Imo, this causes for easier spin tricks. I could atleast do big spins etc easier with Indy's, as the board wouldent flip duo to that. Atleast in my theory
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Not madness per se, but the minimalist in me is ashamed of all the gear I’ve amassed over the past year. Someone with my (lack of) skills doesn’t need all this shit.
Then again, I like the idea of taking a “new old” deck from years ago and skating it.
Leaving stuff at the park seems like a bad idea here. We don’t have a ton of skaters. So I’m thinking about posting on Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace. Saying I have some free gear.
It sounds kooky, but I could print up some stickers and slap ‘em on a few spots in the DIY. “Need a free deck?” Could be an ongoing thing, I’ll be known as the guy who gives shit away 😂
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my local usually is great at managing these things and has bin for donations. I often keep board in my car and give them away when I see people. I actually enjoy trying to piece together a set up from old parts and give away a set up. I guess FB market place wouldn't be a bad idea, even just to sell it as bulk 'must take all' for pizza or something...
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my local usually is great at managing these things and has bin for donations. I often keep board in my car and give them away when I see people. I actually enjoy trying to piece together a set up from old parts and give away a set up. I guess FB market place wouldn't be a bad idea, even just to sell it as bulk 'must take all' for pizza or something...
Oh I won’t try to sell anything lol. You can post free stuff on marketplace. And that sounds fun. I plan on giving away my setup with Ace 44s. I’m convinced they’re not good trucks for bigger folks. Gotta crank them way down and they still turn too much lol
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I've mentioned this before, but worth repeating...
If you have gear to get rid of, strongly consider making a donation to the Fresno Skateboard Salvage project. They do incredible work getting skateboards into the hands of underprivileged kids. I am not associated with them in anyway, but have sent lots of stuff there way over the years. Please give them a hard look.
https://www.fresnoskateboardsalvage.org/
https://www.instagram.com/fresnoskateboardsalvage/
https://www.facebook.com/fresnoskateboardsalvage
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I've given myself madness. Suddenly im skating Venture 5,8 V-Hollows. I kinda like it them, but not. I'd really like a more mellow setup that doesnt require as much force all the time.
Considering going back to indy, but I do find them too twitchy at center. Any way to make them more stable center?
Also consider buying a pair of Ace AF1 Hollows.
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I've given myself madness. Suddenly im skating Venture 5,8 V-Hollows. I kinda like it them, but not. I'd really like a more mellow setup that doesnt require as much force all the time.
Considering going back to indy, but I do find them too twitchy at center. Any way to make them more stable center?
Also consider buying a pair of Ace AF1 Hollows.
Re Indys, try harder after-market Indy bushings.
Re Ace, if you think Indy is too twitchy, you will HATE Ace trucks. Hard stop.
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Try cast Ventures. To be they feel less hefty for everything but Tre flips or shuvs. Or Thunders are still more stable on center IMO.
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Try cast Ventures. To be they feel less hefty for everything but Tre flips or shuvs. Or Thunders are still more stable on center IMO.
I've been tempted to try Venture in a smaller size yeah. I usually skate 8.25-8.38, and Id like to try 8" Venture, as they have good kingpin clearance on those aswell? Unlike Thunder 147s which... is terrible.
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I've given myself madness. Suddenly im skating Venture 5,8 V-Hollows. I kinda like it them, but not. I'd really like a more mellow setup that doesnt require as much force all the time.
Considering going back to indy, but I do find them too twitchy at center. Any way to make them more stable center?
Also consider buying a pair of Ace AF1 Hollows.
Re Indys, try harder after-market Indy bushings.
Re Ace, if you think Indy is too twitchy, you will HATE Ace trucks. Hard stop.
Interesting, I don't recall seeing people refer to Indys being twitchy on center before. They feel quite stable on center to me.
I second the harder after market bushings suggestions, but to go a step further: check if you want to run conical or barrel. Barrel is a stiffer center, but engages well once you lean. Conical is more surf and engages quicker, while being less stiff on center than barrel. Maybe the perceived twitchy-ness comes from conical bushings being used?
Personally, I like medium (90) to medium hard (92or 94) conical Indy aftermarket bushings to find an ideal middle point between surf loose and tic tac tight. I'm 190lbs at 5'10" so your preference for durometer will depend on your own stature @Vintagebody
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Yeah, I'm 185-190 too, and stock Indy bushings are waaaaaay soft. Have to tighten them a good amount.
I mounted my forged indy's on the Real Mason Boxcar deck I have. Worked pretty good. I guess turny is the better term, rather then twitchy. I have both forged and std indy's, 144. All stock cylinder bushings. I'll try a harder bushings and see how it feels.
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Does cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol
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Does cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol
Bones Bushings, IMHO, suck. They only come on three duros, and 81a option is obtuse turboclown shit. So, they really only come in two functional duros (91a and 96a). They gap between 91a and 96a is huge, which makes it a real problem if you are really trying to fine tune your set-up. Moreover, they only come in conical shape, and are notorious for blowing out. Indy makes tons of duros, and all come in both barrel and conical shapes, and last way longer. Having options is a good thing, and Bones provides very little in that arena. Try aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings, or Supercush.
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The conical shape doesn't make them notorious for blowouts it is the different material (yellow for the mediums, black for the hard) that forms the sleeve and just the general materials used. Thunder and Indy conicals do not blow out nearly as fast or crumble the way that Bones do. My Thunder bushings split from the washer digging in, but with a flat washer they had zero issues whereas Bones are fucked no matter what you do.
Unfortunately Supercush seem to be vanishing from the internet. The Thunder replacements come in 90 and 94 and if the 94 are too hard for you try the stock bottom and 94 top. You will get a lot of lean but the hard top will assist in resisting wheelbite at the end of the turn.
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Does cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol
Bones Bushings, IMHO, suck. They only come on three duros, and 81a option is obtuse turboclown shit. So, they really only come in two functional duros (91a and 96a). They gap between 91a and 96a is huge, which makes it a real problem if you are really trying to fine tune your set-up. Moreover, they only come in conical shape, and are notorious for blowing out. Indy makes tons of duros, and all come in both barrel and conical shapes, and last way longer. Having options is a good thing, and Bones provides very little in that arena. Try aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings, or Supercush.
I agree, thanks for your insight, what bushings you running man? Also if you dont mind whats your weight? I can confirm 6 ft 175lbs will implode bones mediums lol I ride medium tightness trucks
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The conical shape doesn't make them notorious for blowouts it is the different material (yellow for the mediums, black for the hard) that forms the sleeve and just the general materials used. Thunder and Indy conicals do not blow out nearly as fast or crumble the way that Bones do. My Thunder bushings split from the washer digging in, but with a flat washer they had zero issues whereas Bones are fucked no matter what you do.
Unfortunately Supercush seem to be vanishing from the internet. The Thunder replacements come in 90 and 94 and if the 94 are too hard for you try the stock bottom and 94 top. You will get a lot of lean but the hard top will assist in resisting wheelbite at the end of the turn.
Same to you man, what bushings are you running and whats your weight? Trying to see what other people are doing to use as a reference point to end this madness haha
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The conical shape doesn't make them notorious for blowouts...
I never implied shape had causal relation to blow outs. Rather, was just listing off problems with Bones. One of which is their blow outs, and another being limited shape options.
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I agree, thanks for your insight, what bushings you running man? Also if you dont mind whats your weight? I can confirm 6 ft 175lbs will implode bones mediums lol I ride medium tightness trucks
I ride Indys with 92a (blue) barrels. 5'11'', and 170-175lbs.
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I agree, thanks for your insight, what bushings you running man? Also if you dont mind whats your weight? I can confirm 6 ft 175lbs will implode bones mediums lol I ride medium tightness trucks
I ride Indys with 92a (blue) barrels. 5'11'', and 170-175lbs.
Thanks man! Will look into those
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Fuckin, picked up one of the last Darkroom decks at the skateshop. There's a couple more I might get as wall-hangers but I intend to skate this one. It's an 8.38.
I've jumped from 8" to 7.75 back to 8" then up to 8.75" and then to 8.38. I feel like at this point, none of this shit really matters. As long as I can balance on it and know where the pocket is and flip that shit, it's good enough for me.
Gear madness has been poison but fuck it, it is what it is at this point.
I'm gonna donate all my unused shit that I won't use as wallhangers. They got life left in them still.
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Does cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol
Bones Bushings, IMHO, suck. They only come on three duros, and 81a option is obtuse turboclown shit. So, they really only come in two functional duros (91a and 96a). They gap between 91a and 96a is huge, which makes it a real problem if you are really trying to fine tune your set-up. Moreover, they only come in conical shape, and are notorious for blowing out. Indy makes tons of duros, and all come in both barrel and conical shapes, and last way longer. Having options is a good thing, and Bones provides very little in that arena. Try aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings, or Supercush.
Agreed 100%. I've skated Indy, Ace, Royal, and to a lesser extent Venture. All of the stock bushings which come with these trucks have been great. I've blown out some Indy bushings after a year or two of regular riding, which I don't really think is a big deal.
The only exception is the dogshit red Indy "Soft" bushings. These are sub-Bones quality.
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I had a PS stix 8" deck that just wasn't working for me on venture lows, so I bit the bullet on 5.2 v-light hi to get the forged plate and it felt incredible. But for some of my other decks I might try something else, the pivot cup squeak is gonna drive me insane lol, it sounds like my aunt's 1999 Eddie Bouer Explorer suspension.
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I had a PS stix 8" deck that just wasn't working for me on venture lows, so I bit the bullet on 5.2 v-light hi to get the forged plate and it felt incredible. But for some of my other decks I might try something else, the pivot cup squeak is gonna drive me insane lol, it sounds like my aunt's 1999 Eddie Bouer Explorer suspension.
lots of solutions for this. soap. cum. bike grease. dish soap. motor oil. bar soap.
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wax your nub....
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The conical shape doesn't make them notorious for blowouts it is the different material (yellow for the mediums, black for the hard) that forms the sleeve and just the general materials used. Thunder and Indy conicals do not blow out nearly as fast or crumble the way that Bones do. My Thunder bushings split from the washer digging in, but with a flat washer they had zero issues whereas Bones are fucked no matter what you do.
Unfortunately Supercush seem to be vanishing from the internet. The Thunder replacements come in 90 and 94 and if the 94 are too hard for you try the stock bottom and 94 top. You will get a lot of lean but the hard top will assist in resisting wheelbite at the end of the turn.
Same to you man, what bushings are you running and whats your weight? Trying to see what other people are doing to use as a reference point to end this madness haha
I run the stock bushings that come in Thunder or Venture. The only truck I really would switch bushings on are Indy Standards and I would run the blue 92a on those.
I have run Supercush 88A in Ventures and liked those and have only run Bones bushings once ever and wasn't super into them at the time.
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Does cracked or teared bushings give you madness? Been on a bushing madness every since I switch to Indy from thunders, tried the bones hard but couldnt get my trucks lose enough without my nut falling off, bones medium too soft and exploded, now on bones hard on the bottom and bones medium on the top, seems to be okay but now I'm like dam would trying a harder Indy bushing be a better option instead? Some days I wished I never cared about this stuff lol
Bones Bushings, IMHO, suck. They only come on three duros, and 81a option is obtuse turboclown shit. So, they really only come in two functional duros (91a and 96a). They gap between 91a and 96a is huge, which makes it a real problem if you are really trying to fine tune your set-up. Moreover, they only come in conical shape, and are notorious for blowing out. Indy makes tons of duros, and all come in both barrel and conical shapes, and last way longer. Having options is a good thing, and Bones provides very little in that arena. Try aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings, or Supercush.
Along with everything else being said, more than anything, I think the main thing people forget is going very easy on bushings for the first few sessions / how ever long you skate them to just nicely wear them in, so then they will have way more chance of being decent for the life of your trucks.
That said, I don't know too many people who really get the most out of Bones bushings, except for the hard versions, which at first are almost impossible to turn on at all, but once they really break in they come out about a firm medium and skate a lot better. Taking that time is sometimes not an option for some people, but I am also usually not interested in them because of the splitting of the softer part to the harder hub, which is almost always the cause of Bones bushings to be replaced on most setups I have seen with them on - some in a matter of minutes, yes minutes, from setting them up, but more often a few weeks to a month.
I use the Indy aftermarket bushings (usually 92 duro), which really do work so well for me and I don't have any issues with them, but I have had other people try to crank them down right from go and they blow out in the first session, so again, just ease into it with them, first session just roll around and get nice and comfortable before tightening them down, no matter what the duro / option you go with.
Even the Indy black hard or yellow super hard actually break in really well, even though at first they seem like there is no chance of a decent turn on them at all, they end up feeling about medium firm to me on Indy trucks with the nut flush, or at least these used ones from other people I have are like that.
If any bushing is too soft it will give you more trouble than it is worth, as more often it will split or cause wheelbite or be unstable on your setup until you either crank them down (and maybe split them) or get sick of them and need to put in new ones that are harder.
If any bushing is too hard that you can't get the nut on fully, try to wear them in or even use the harder bottom bushing and a softer top, which will give a little more stability and still keep things safe. Don't want the nut falling off, the way I have seen some people skate. I know you said you do this with your own, but it is worth noting for anyone.
Lastly, I have cut down the top bushing on many, many sets for myself and for others, so the bushings overall still do what they are supposed to do, stay at the same geometry with the bottom one holding the hanger in place, but having a single mm or two at most off the lower part of the top bushing, you can keep things more turny, but get the kingpin nut on cleanly and even have a bit more clearance in that regard too.
Sorry if that is a bit too much, but in doing this and fixing boards for a long, long time, I am familiar with all the ins and outs of bushings, what works, what doesn't work and even what you can do with bushings if you find they are too firm, such as wax all the contact surfaces of bushing and hanger, which make them way more turny, almost too turny for some, but it does work and makes harder bushings wear in really nicely if you want a more medium feel without having to cut or change anything much.
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^ Yeah, when I worked at a shop, I constantly told people “bushings get stiffer as they break in, so don’t over tighten them at first.”
I also ride the 92a Indy bushings. I find that it takes me about 25 min of carving around to get the initial “broken-in” feel, and then they are absolutely perfect about a day later.
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Bones bushings get way too much hype in my opinion. Stock bushings in Indys and Ventures cover most needs and last longer than Bones. And as Slappers above stated, if the orange stock Indys feel too soft (GIVE THEM TIME FIRST), the blue 92s are the bee's knees.
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Bones bushings get way too much hype in my opinion. Stock bushings in Indys and Ventures cover most needs and last longer than Bones. And as Slappers above stated, if the orange stock Indys feel too soft (GIVE THEM TIME FIRST), the blue 92s are the bee's knees.
Just bought some conical 92s to throw in my cruiser so I can be surfing but stable while rolling around. If I like em enough may get an extra set for my main setup. Currently on 90 conical
I was a Bones bushings fanatic (medium hard was my go to) when I was a teenager. Their gimmick (be it valid or placebo) was that the bushings were good to go right away. That appealed to me as a teenager because I was impatient and didn't wanna break in bushings for whatever trucks I skated. However, like Lakais that break in quick, they wear out quick so I do recall getting 50-70% of lifespan in them compared to my Indy bushings. I had quality at the cost of durability.
I tried them in Thunders, Royals, and maybe Silvers. Not sure if I tried them in Indy once I committed to riding those full time since 2010. Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
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Took my 8.27 setup with Indy 149s out this morning cause it was a little wet outside (just a mist). It’s crazy how much easier it is to maneuver than my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s and Radial Fulls. Still, I’ll take speed and stability over maneuverability.
As more time passes I’m starting to realize how insane it is to have multiple setups if you only skate 2-3 times a week.
Even if you skate daily. It’s best to say, “This is my skateboard. I’ll make it work.” It’s like choosing a partner, at some point you have to stop searching and pick someone’s who’s “good enough.”
Online dating is really bad right now cause everyone always thinks there’s a better person out there, so they become addicted to meeting new folks. It’s like that with madness too. There’s so much cheap gear out there, it’s easy to become addicted to finding the perfect setup that doesn’t exist.
Idk, rant over 🥲
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I tried them in Thunders, Royals, and maybe Silvers. Not sure if I tried them in Indy once I committed to riding those full time since 2010. Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
I had Bones Mediums on my 159 Indys (pool setup), and yeah, for me too the thing was the nonexistant break-in time. Height was no problem and the turning was great, but eventually as I switched back to the stock Indy bushings I felt the real mojo of them. There's just something to properly broken-in Indy stock bushings that none other can achieve in my opinion. No wonder peeps like Chris Russell et al ride 'em.
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Took my 8.27 setup with Indy 149s out this morning cause it was a little wet outside (just a mist). It’s crazy how much easier it is to maneuver than my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s and Radial Fulls. Still, I’ll take speed and stability over maneuverability.
As more time passes I’m starting to realize how insane it is to have multiple setups if you only skate 2-3 times a week.
Even if you skate daily. It’s best to say, “This is my skateboard. I’ll make it work.” It’s like choosing a partner, at some point you have to stop searching and pick someone’s who’s “good enough.”
Online dating is really bad right now cause everyone always thinks there’s a better person out there, so they become addicted to meeting new folks. It’s like that with madness too. There’s so much cheap gear out there, it’s easy to become addicted to finding the perfect setup that doesn’t exist.
Idk, rant over 🥲
I hear you, I feel you. BUT the more the merrier, no? :D I don't think I can be properly monagamic, ever. At least I gotta have a specific setup for big transition that is obviously quite a bit different from what I ride when I want to hit curbs and flatground. I mean, yeah, if you're good enough, one setup can be enough, but I'm not Grant Taylor.
Having said that, I've also steered towards a one setup approach recently. If I'm not hitting something like near-vert transition, I tend to ride an 8.25 with 144 Indys or 5.6 Venture His pretty much everywhere. But still, that 8.125 in the corner keeps whispering in my ear when I plan to hit the techier street spots...
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Took my 8.27 setup with Indy 149s out this morning cause it was a little wet outside (just a mist). It’s crazy how much easier it is to maneuver than my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s and Radial Fulls. Still, I’ll take speed and stability over maneuverability.
As more time passes I’m starting to realize how insane it is to have multiple setups if you only skate 2-3 times a week.
Even if you skate daily. It’s best to say, “This is my skateboard. I’ll make it work.” It’s like choosing a partner, at some point you have to stop searching and pick someone’s who’s “good enough.”
Online dating is really bad right now cause everyone always thinks there’s a better person out there, so they become addicted to meeting new folks. It’s like that with madness too. There’s so much cheap gear out there, it’s easy to become addicted to finding the perfect setup that doesn’t exist.
Idk, rant over 🥲
I hear you, I feel you. BUT the more the merrier, no? :D I don't think I can be properly monagamic, ever. At least I gotta have a specific setup for big transition that is obviously quite a bit different from what I ride when I want to hit curbs and flatground. I mean, yeah, if you're good enough, one setup can be enough, but I'm not Grant Taylor.
Having said that, I've also steered towards a one setup approach recently. If I'm not hitting something like near-vert transition, I tend to ride an 8.25 with 144 Indys or 5.6 Venture His pretty much everywhere. But still, that 8.125 in the corner keeps whispering in my ear when I plan to hit the techier street spots...
My .02 cents...
I think it also depends on why you have different set-ups. I have three. 8.25, 8.75, and a Black Label Street Thing. The 8.25 is my main ride. But, as I've said many times before, sometimes shit just feels better on a bigger board. Without question, I actually skate better on the 8.25, but at least for me, skating is not always about skating at my maximum potential 100% of the time. Sometimes I just like the better feeling of Smith grind on my 8.75. I really love Chicken Korma, but if I had to eat it every single meal of my life, I'd prolly grow sick of it. Sex is fun, but always doing in the same position wouldn't feel as good. Reasonable variety can make things better at times.
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I had a PS stix 8" deck that just wasn't working for me on venture lows, so I bit the bullet on 5.2 v-light hi to get the forged plate and it felt incredible. But for some of my other decks I might try something else, the pivot cup squeak is gonna drive me insane lol, it sounds like my aunt's 1999 Eddie Bouer Explorer suspension.
lots of solutions for this. soap. cum. bike grease. dish soap. motor oil. bar soap.
I do it every 3 months, it always comes back.
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Took my 8.27 setup with Indy 149s out this morning cause it was a little wet outside (just a mist). It’s crazy how much easier it is to maneuver than my 8.5 setup with Indy 159s and Radial Fulls. Still, I’ll take speed and stability over maneuverability.
As more time passes I’m starting to realize how insane it is to have multiple setups if you only skate 2-3 times a week.
Even if you skate daily. It’s best to say, “This is my skateboard. I’ll make it work.” It’s like choosing a partner, at some point you have to stop searching and pick someone’s who’s “good enough.”
Online dating is really bad right now cause everyone always thinks there’s a better person out there, so they become addicted to meeting new folks. It’s like that with madness too. There’s so much cheap gear out there, it’s easy to become addicted to finding the perfect setup that doesn’t exist.
Idk, rant over 🥲
I hear you, I feel you. BUT the more the merrier, no? :D I don't think I can be properly monagamic, ever. At least I gotta have a specific setup for big transition that is obviously quite a bit different from what I ride when I want to hit curbs and flatground. I mean, yeah, if you're good enough, one setup can be enough, but I'm not Grant Taylor.
Having said that, I've also steered towards a one setup approach recently. If I'm not hitting something like near-vert transition, I tend to ride an 8.25 with 144 Indys or 5.6 Venture His pretty much everywhere. But still, that 8.125 in the corner keeps whispering in my ear when I plan to hit the techier street spots...
My .02 cents...
I think it also depends on why you have different set-ups. I have three. 8.25, 8.75, and a Black Label Street Thing. The 8.25 is my main ride. But, as I've said many times before, sometimes shit just feels better on a bigger board. Without question, I actually skate better on the 8.25, but at least for me, skating is not always about skating at my maximum potential 100% of the time. Sometimes I just like the better feeling of Smith grind on my 8.75. I really love Chicken Korma, but if I had to eat it every single meal of my life, I'd prolly grow sick of it. Sex is fun, but always doing in the same position wouldn't feel as good. Reasonable variety can make things better at times.
so you have sex and can smith grind.
fuck you.
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I've been riding Venture V-Cast with the all hollow bullshit or V Lights for the last 6 weeks. My deck is almost dead so I tried my Thunders on it today.
It took a long time to adapt my flip tricks and they weren't any better. I'd need 3 sessions just to adjust for questionable benefits. I frankly don't get how I ever made such drastic or frequent changes or how others do so with confidence. I can't imagine going back and forth constantly especially between options that effect timing.
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Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
A few people I know ride the Bones bushings in anything and everything and customise the height / angle with or without added washers depending on whether the bushings are new, old or whatever truck they are in.
Bones hards are the usual go to though, starting off just the bushings and maybe the Bones flat washer on top, then as they break in and soften up some / flatten down, they add in the usual washers, or two top Indy washers - the smaller ones - on both top and bottom as you would for any other set of conical bushings.
I have skated one guys board from just putting them in to being well worn in and they work in any trucks - Indy, Venture, Thunder being what they ride, so although I am not really a fan of how they perform, the Bones hard bushings hold up well enough for the most part for the skating that they do and they don't go easy on them, that's for sure.
To note, this guy switches things out every other month or less as well, so there are a lot of sets of well used Bones hard bushings floating around in my spare parts area, way more than any other brand of bushings, but that is what he rides, so I don't argue.
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Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
A few people I know ride the Bones bushings in anything and everything and customise the height / angle with or without added washers depending on whether the bushings are new, old or whatever truck they are in.
Bones hards are the usual go to though, starting off just the bushings and maybe the Bones flat washer on top, then as they break in and soften up some / flatten down, they add in the usual washers, or two top Indy washers - the smaller ones - on both top and bottom as you would for any other set of conical bushings.
I have skated one guys board from just putting them in to being well worn in and they work in any trucks - Indy, Venture, Thunder being what they ride, so although I am not really a fan of how they perform, the Bones hard bushings hold up well enough for the most part for the skating that they do and they don't go easy on them, that's for sure.
To note, this guy switches things out every other month or less as well, so there are a lot of sets of well used Bones hard bushings floating around in my spare parts area, way more than any other brand of bushings, but that is what he rides, so I don't argue.
bones hards are the best, of that brand.
i use to see this person that has since left us, whom i very much admired from a far, use bones mediums in stage 10 indys. he was early to the skating of 149s, and made everything he did look really good. much if my gear madness, was sparked in part by watching this dude.
once stage 11s came out i saw less people using bones in indys. couple of older guys that went full into bushings were buying both mediums and softs, and using the soft tops….that’s just too much. not sure why you’d want to make life that much more difficult.
i first used bones when i messed up my orion’s bushings, by cranking and exploding them. now, before ye jest, at the time orion had some dudes. and i think they were just supposed to skate like a lower, lighter indy. maybe i was on the tail end of that tho….no one check the timeline of these products, but i ‘remember’ all of this happening in the early 2000s. ish. the orions were actually kinda sick. i probably skated them for a week and then quit for a months, per usual for me, at this time.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxTJvxitrGl/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==
An inverted hollow titanium magnesium truck for only $60. Sounds too good to be true.
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I've given myself madness. Suddenly im skating Venture 5,8 V-Hollows. I kinda like it them, but not. I'd really like a more mellow setup that doesnt require as much force all the time.
Considering going back to indy, but I do find them too twitchy at center. Any way to make them more stable center?
Also consider buying a pair of Ace AF1 Hollows.
As a larger than average individual I’ve fucked around with bushings a lot. To try and make skateboard trucks just work, and not get kills by wheelbite.
I’ve come up with this. I found these washers that really hug the bushings. They go on the bottom, with a hard barrel bushing, and then I just put a bones har bushing on top, cause I love the snap and response of bones, but I want more resistance at the end of the range.
Haven’t skated that much lately, but I think this how I’m getting down going forward.
(https://i.ibb.co/kMzYMCL/IMG-2841.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kMzYMCL)
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An inverted hollow titanium magnesium truck for only $60. Sounds too good to be true.
I guess it was only a matter of time until we got Alibaba brand skateboard components.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxTJvxitrGl/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==
An inverted hollow titanium magnesium truck for only $60. Sounds too good to be true.
I guess it was only a matter of time until we got Alibaba brand skateboard components.
If weight was the sole factor for truck performance then Tensor trucks alone then Dwindle would be thriving and be sold for 5x the original price.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxTJvxitrGl/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==
An inverted hollow titanium magnesium truck for only $60. Sounds too good to be true.
I guess it was only a matter of time until we got Alibaba brand skateboard components.
Looks like a set of trucks from Temu
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Look like thunder-ish hangers.
sooo many threads showing on that ti pin. I'd try them but I'm trying to wrangle my for fun/experimental skate purchases ;) Ti pins are soooo light (RIP Theeve) I'd prefer a ti pin and cast plates/solid hangers.
They should sell that krux style downlow pin tho since everyone shifted to the hex one this round.
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Bones bushings get way too much hype in my opinion. Stock bushings in Indys and Ventures cover most needs and last longer than Bones. And as Slappers above stated, if the orange stock Indys feel too soft (GIVE THEM TIME FIRST), the blue 92s are the bee's knees.
Just bought some conical 92s to throw in my cruiser so I can be surfing but stable while rolling around. If I like em enough may get an extra set for my main setup. Currently on 90 conical
I was a Bones bushings fanatic (medium hard was my go to) when I was a teenager. Their gimmick (be it valid or placebo) was that the bushings were good to go right away. That appealed to me as a teenager because I was impatient and didn't wanna break in bushings for whatever trucks I skated. However, like Lakais that break in quick, they wear out quick so I do recall getting 50-70% of lifespan in them compared to my Indy bushings. I had quality at the cost of durability.
I tried them in Thunders, Royals, and maybe Silvers. Not sure if I tried them in Indy once I committed to riding those full time since 2010. Anyone try Bones in Indy? I feel like they're too short in height and would fuck up the geo instead of compliment it.
Personally, I find Med Bones and indy to be the best combo for me (when riding indy, that is). Could be that I did for soooo long that it's memory muscle feel. Yeah the bones can blow out (could always go hard bones suffer the break-in as they hold up way longer and feel like forever mediums once broken in.
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please let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching
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please let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching
Buy what you like. What you progressed most on. Not what you think you will like. And just stick with it. Constantly changing isn't going to help anything.
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Skated two years on Indy. Last two sets broke on me, two replacement sets from broken hangers. Switched to venture and absolutely love them. The only thing is after about seven months I hit axel (usually I get about a year from Indy’s if they don’t break). I sprained my ankle and when I could cruise around I had Indy’s in my cruiser. The pop feels so good. Indys feel like home but I’m afraid if I switch back I’m gonna have the same issues breaking them. My issue is with everything but decks I have my setup dialed so I have a set of ventures on ice. Trying to resist buying Indy’s with Black Friday sales so I don’t start the madness again.
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We often hear of broken trucks or major gear issues on here but the reality is lost people ride shit and never break it or have major issues. People who tend to skate a lot, especially bigger stuff with lots of impact, will be much more likely to eventually do something especially as stuff wears. You probably got unlucky or there's something we don't know about your skating or how worn the gear was before breaking.
I will say that it does seem broken Ti axles are an Indy specific thing that pops up on here and my local shop mentioned lots of cracked hangers near the axle ends but that that improved after the move to China.
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We often hear of broken trucks or major gear issues on here but the reality is lost people ride shit and never break it or have major issues. People who tend to skate a lot, especially bigger stuff with lots of impact, will be much more likely to eventually do something especially as stuff wears. You probably got unlucky or there's something we don't know about your skating or how worn the gear was before breaking.
I will say that it does seem broken Ti axles are an Indy specific thing that pops up on here and my local shop mentioned lots of cracked hangers near the axle ends but that that improved after the move to China.
Yeah truth prob just got unlucky cause they both broke within two months and I mostly skate ledges/wallrides and am very low impact. I was surprised cause I always thought of Indy as the most durable truck. Maybe I will try a set after these ventures wear out so if I have any issues I still have the ventures (or if they work out I’ll give the ventures to a kid at the local)
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please let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching
Yup. Gotta say, “This is my shape and I’m sticking to it.” The perfect deck doesn’t exist. Also, I can pretty much get used to any popsicle after a session or two. I think it’s mostly mental. If you tell yourself that you hate your deck you’re gonna perform badly.
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please let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching
i mean whe you say it like that….
madness is this sludge of me wanting to be stoked, excited. that’s it. i went to skate last night, highly less than ideal scenario, dragging after work, get out there and it’s dark, damp, under a street light. some folks suffering from drug addictions popping up. whatever. anyways, being me, i had 2 pairs of shoes, 2 setups. i skated ‘better’ on the 8.125 with 5.2 lo’s, than on the 7.75 with 5.0 lo’s. what i noticed, was that i didn’t care. it was nice to land more stuff, and the vibrations/tone of the ps stix 8.125 felt noticeably better, than the older crail 7.75. but the 8.125 looked dumb as fuck. to me. the pov was not my fave.
i also hated looking down at the dunks, as opposed to my old half cabs. skate better in the dunks. and hurt less today, from spending more time in the more supportive shoe.
blah blah. one board better.
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please let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching
i mean whe you say it like that….
madness is this sludge of me wanting to be stoked, excited. that’s it. i went to skate last night, highly less than ideal scenario, dragging after work, get out there and it’s dark, damp, under a street light. some folks suffering from drug addictions popping up. whatever. anyways, being me, i had 2 pairs of shoes, 2 setups. i skated ‘better’ on the 8.125 with 5.2 lo’s, than on the 7.75 with 5.0 lo’s. what i noticed, was that i didn’t care. it was nice to land more stuff, and the vibrations/tone of the ps stix 8.125 felt noticeably better, than the older crail 7.75. but the 8.125 looked dumb as fuck. to me. the pov was not my fave.
i also hated looking down at the dunks, as opposed to my old half cabs. skate better in the dunks. and hurt less today, from spending more time in the more supportive shoe.
blah blah. one board better.
I get that. You want to be stoked on your gear. And all of it doesn’t feel the same. Wasn’t trying to deny the differences. Was just saying you gotta just give up at some point. That’s all 😌
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I’ve complained about this here before, but I need to vent yet again.
Does everyone just skate with broken bushings or is it just me? I’m truly not sure what’s going on and I’m convinced I’m doing something wrong but I don’t know what.
Every truck brand/bushing brand I use starts to split and crack and eventually disintegrate within like 2 weeks. I’m 170lbs and I ride my trucks medium ish? I understand most people who say medium actually ride them right, but I would say mine are closer to loose - nut is flush, maybe tighten them to the point you can see 1 thread on occasion.
I don’t leave my board in my car, and I’m not doing super pinched tricks constantly like crooks. Recently I set up a board with Indy’s and within about 2 weeks the front bushing blew up. So I replaced both of the tops with stock Indy bushings, and again this time within a week they’re both splitting and deforming. I can feel it in the turn as it lacks stability and makes the truck feel way more loose. I also skate maybe 1-2 times a week.
I guess my question is does everybody have cracked bushings? Is this just normal and I’m overthinking it?
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Post a pic of your trucks/bushings. Sometimes the top washer circumsizes a little bit of the outside of the top bushing, but does not actually crack it. I crack Thunder and Venture tops doing lots of Slappies but it doesn't change the turn until the split goes to the inside toward the kingpin. I had a cracked bottom bushing in my Thunders for a year and when I replaced it it felt the same.
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please let the next board i buy be the one i fall in love with
im tired of searching
i mean whe you say it like that….
madness is this sludge of me wanting to be stoked, excited. that’s it. i went to skate last night, highly less than ideal scenario, dragging after work, get out there and it’s dark, damp, under a street light. some folks suffering from drug addictions popping up. whatever. anyways, being me, i had 2 pairs of shoes, 2 setups. i skated ‘better’ on the 8.125 with 5.2 lo’s, than on the 7.75 with 5.0 lo’s. what i noticed, was that i didn’t care. it was nice to land more stuff, and the vibrations/tone of the ps stix 8.125 felt noticeably better, than the older crail 7.75. but the 8.125 looked dumb as fuck. to me. the pov was not my fave.
i also hated looking down at the dunks, as opposed to my old half cabs. skate better in the dunks. and hurt less today, from spending more time in the more supportive shoe.
blah blah. one board better.
oh no.
i’m agreeing with you.
at a certain point, you can’t ride all of the stuff, all of the time. just gotta pick one.
i used to think it’d be funny when i’d see someone so strict in their adherence to a personal code: ‘oh i only ride 8.5, i only ride x brand of trucks’, etc.
but now….i’m kinda just flirting with this 7.75 as an identity. if i suck, i suck.
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I've found comfortability in wheelbases from 14-14.25" and I'm afraid I'll forget how to ollie if i go >14.5
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I'm the opposite- any shorter than like 14.1 and my pop is disgustingly bad. 14.5 it feels so nice and floaty.
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I'm the opposite- any shorter than like 14.1 and my pop is disgustingly bad. 14.5 it feels so nice and floaty.
i’ve long been a proponent of short wb’s. i think i may have gotten it wrong, and that what i really need is a short tail, and preferably a short deck length.
long wb’s have some serious advantages, speed and stability, and then yeah, there is some advantages for me, on ollies.
primitive used to have a shape just over 8”, that had a longer wb, something like 14.4 ish. i wish i had tried that one. the crail shapes with the short tail and the 14.43 wb are nice (i’ve only tried the 8.5 one, but looooooved it).
*** maybe someone could chime in on tail length. i’m resistant to go down that portal of doom….it is difficult for me to ignore that i enjoy riding both the crail 7.75 with something like a 13.9ish wb, and around 31.125 length, and then the griffin gass shape that’s 8.5x14.43x32. the only commonality is the tail length.
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^ I know I've mentioned it before, but a WB that is too short for me, makes my ollies/nollies feel like I am swinging a bat, golf club, or hockey stick while choked-up on the handle, which is to say it's a total loss of power. Stated another way, it's like trying to run, but not being allowed to break into a full sprint. For non-ollie tricks (say a f/s 5-0 grind on a ramp, any slappy variation, or even just turning out of a board slide), if a wb is too short, it feels super cramped, like a tall isosceles triangle that doesn't have a base wide enough to give it proper stability. Flip tricks get too twitchy/sensitive. I often find myself landing things with my front foot too far out over the nose (which can be deadly on reentry with transition, bank, etc.). If a WB is too long, everything gets really sluggish.
Unrelated, I had been religiously riding IV stamped DLX decks. I ended up with a III a bit ago, and I liked it. I got another III, and also enjoyed it. I decided to push the envelope, and got a II last week. I hated it. Too steep. Sometimes I think it's good to test your assumptions, if only to establish that they still hold true, and def still don't like steep kicks.
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another advantage to a longer wb is i feel like i can swing for the fences, just chuck a flip trick as hard as i can (because i have to).
all in all, i most likely skate better on shorter wb’s, and greatly appreciate the less effort/input needed for the board to go in a direction.
it is also relevant for me to point out 99% of skating for me at this time is going slow in a parking lot trying to back2back nollie flips. or something of that sort.
if i was skating more than 3 mph a longer wb would feel a lot better
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I think kickflips=long, 3 flips=short…..
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I think kickflips=long, 3 flips=short…..
accurate.
a little extra: i can get an easier kickflip on a shorter wb, but a higher one on a longer wb.
3flips are really where my short wb fascination comes in.
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Opposite for me. My best Tre flips have been on a 14.38 with Venture V lights, kickflips were meh on that setup. Best kickflips recently we're on a 14.25 with Indy standards
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i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
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i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
The 14.25 or the 14.62?
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I swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.
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I swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.
several folks loved those, and they made sense. do you use 149s?
they seemed like a 3flip machine.
i can’t do shapes rn. something about it grosses me out, where as 2015 ish it felt like i had to have a shape to feel stoked.
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I swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.
several folks loved those, and they made sense. do you use 149s?
they seemed like a 3flip machine.
i can’t do shapes rn. something about it grosses me out, where as 2015 ish it felt like i had to have a shape to feel stoked.
Yeah, I skated it with Indy 149s. I am also not really much of a shaped deck skater, but I bought one on a whim from a sale of the Crail website, probably based on recommendations here.
Now I skate a 8.125" Primitive deck now and don't plan to go back to a shaped board soon or ever, but I did very much enjoy that deck.
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I swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.
several folks loved those, and they made sense. do you use 149s?
they seemed like a 3flip machine.
i can’t do shapes rn. something about it grosses me out, where as 2015 ish it felt like i had to have a shape to feel stoked.
Yeah, I skated it with Indy 149s. I am also not really much of a shaped deck skater, but I bought one on a whim from a sale of the Crail website, probably based on recommendations here.
Now I skate a 8.125" Primitive deck now and don't plan to go back to a shaped board soon or ever, but I did very much enjoy that deck.
does that 8.125 have a longer tail/nose? same as the april?
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I swear that the best kickflipping board I ever owned is the Crail Loveseat shape. It flicks like a 7.5" I would have skated in 1992 but with the real estate of an 9" deck on while to land.
several folks loved those, and they made sense. do you use 149s?
they seemed like a 3flip machine.
i can’t do shapes rn. something about it grosses me out, where as 2015 ish it felt like i had to have a shape to feel stoked.
Yeah, I skated it with Indy 149s. I am also not really much of a shaped deck skater, but I bought one on a whim from a sale of the Crail website, probably based on recommendations here.
Now I skate a 8.125" Primitive deck now and don't plan to go back to a shaped board soon or ever, but I did very much enjoy that deck.
does that 8.125 have a longer tail/nose? same as the april?
I don't know anything about April decks, but this has a fairly normal length tail with a pretty sizeable nose. Mellow concave and a mellow tail.
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i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
The 14.25 or the 14.62?
14.62
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i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
The 14.25 or the 14.62?
i’m kinda whatever about crail wood, but i love their shapes. the brophy shape is a little narrower, longer wb, skated pretty well for me.
just a very well proportioned deck. something about the length of the tail handled the length.
that board showed me that it was the absolute upper limit of what i was willing to ride, and that i probably didn’t need to get another huffer (as much as i love that huffer shape, and it was such a long lasting tank, if i was going to ride a shaped board it’d be that) and continue with my personal ban on shaped boards.
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i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
The 14.25 or the 14.62?
A friend and I call the 8.75/14.62 "The Destroyer of Worlds," because no matter what you think you know/like about the set-up you are riding, a week on the 8.75 will eviscerate "everything you believed was true."
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i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
The 14.25 or the 14.62?
A friend and I call the 8.75/14.62 "The Destroyer of Worlds," because no matter what you think you know/like about the set-up you are riding, a week on the 8.75 will eviscerate "everything you believed was true."
There is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it. I have an 8.75 Blue Meanie I'm skating (second of that shape), but the popsicle is pulling me back....
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There is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it.
Well done. That is my exact set-up for that deck, and damn, it feels so good (when I stray from my 8.25). Get that Unity.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
You may be right. Last month I switch my wheels and bearings. I have Spitfire RF and Bones Swiss 6. Never had any issues with these trucks. I love the wheels and bearings, but I may slap on my CFs and Bronson G3s.
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.
Thanks for the link. Looking through the thread now. These bearings and wheels were expensive so I’d hate to scrap them.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.
I did some experimenting and figured it out. It’s the damn Spitfire wheel, something has to be offset about it. Took it, put new bearings in it and put it on another pair of trucks and the same thing happened. Sucks cause I liked ‘em.
Thanks again 🙏🏾
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you can still use the wheels and bearings imo, just loosen em up, allowing for more play, and less binding
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brimmer knows
you can still use the wheels and bearings imo, just loosen em up, allowing for more play, and less binding
I put my Swiss 6 in an old set of wheels. It was more annoying than usual cause I had to take out the bearings that were in the old set too. This made me realize that expensive bearings probably aren’t worth it (for me). I’d rather just toss the entire wheel setup when I’m done with them. Think I’ll go back to Bronson’s once these are finished.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.
Thanks again 🙏🏾
I have had 2 sets of Spitfires in the past year or two that had oversized bearing seats. One of them was bad enough I could move the wheel with my hand and you could see the bearings move in and out. The other was slighter but the wheel was constantly binding. I then got a new set in which the actual bearing seat was too shallow and a bearing didn't fit. Spitfire replaced all of them AND gave me additional wheels.
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The Hollow Indy 159s I've been riding since July 2022 have axle slip. Part of me wants to grab a new pair cause it's annoying as hell, but it's getting colder here and I don't feel like messing with this setup. So I guess I'll have to check my wheel every ten minutes :-\
This may have always been an issue. I went from mostly cruising to flipping my board a lot over the last month. I'll replace them in the spring. Just looking at all the trucks on Tactics flared up my madness again. It was like a recovering drunk walking into a bar. I put some Ventures in my cart, some 169s, then talked some sense into myself.
It's funny, I got so frustrated that I hurled my board across the tennis court. Grabbed it by the tail and flung it 20 feet lol. I'm such a child.
I posted this in the Indy thread, but also posting here:
Are you sure it is axle slip?
There seem to be a lot of wheels coming out of bearings issues which would usually have the same effect - wheel stops spinning easily.
Sit the board up on its side, axle on the ground and then push your wheel down, then pull it up to see if the bearings are seated correctly.
I honestly can't think of any current Indy (or other top brand truck) that has had axle slip in recent years, but I have seen a lot of wheels with bearing seats that are too big, so the bearings move in the wheels.
Not doubting you but check this first.
What wheels and bearings are you running? Spitfire Formula Four have been pretty big on the bearings moving of late, as per quite a few sets I have had too.
I’ve taken the wheels apart, made sure the bearings were in, but it still happens. Part of me thinks it may be these wide wheels. They’re the Kader Puffs ones. I think I’ll do an experiment in a few days and report back.
If it happens on another set of Indy’s I have then it’s the wheels or bearings.
This was the thread I was thinking of, which I forgot to add in earlier:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0
Worth a read there too, if you had a minute.
The solution to that being to use something to remove all lube / oil from the outside area of the bearing, which they all come with to make it easier to push into the wheels, but if they slip in too easily, they could also slip out too easily as well, so rubbing alcohol or other substance cleans off the outer metal of the bearing so they go in and stay in.
The other thing is some Spitfire wheels did have issues with bearing seats being a little bit off, just ever so slightly so it might not seem like much, but it did cause the bearings to move more easily if there is a hit this way or that on the wheels.
I had some that every time I would do a smith grind on my ramp, the wheel would move a little and I would have to push it back in before the next run. Changing bearings or even the position of the wheel on the board seemed to fix it for a bit, but I definitely had thought something was up with the trucks or something like that.
Thanks again 🙏🏾
I have had 2 sets of Spitfires in the past year or two that had oversized bearing seats. One of them was bad enough I could move the wheel with my hand and you could see the bearings move in and out. The other was slighter but the wheel was constantly binding. I then got a new set in which the actual bearing seat was too shallow and a bearing didn't fit. Spitfire replaced all of them AND gave me additional wheels.
That’s great. I’ll contact them cause I really like the RF shape, and it’s only one wheel. The others are fine.
How do you reach them?
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I always fill out the warranty form on the dlx site: https://www.dlxsf.com/warranty/ and they get back to me pretty quickly.
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I always fill out the warranty form on the dlx site: https://www.dlxsf.com/warranty/ and they get back to me pretty quickly.
Thanks! Sent them an email. I’ve only had them for a month, so it’d suck to just be out of $50 lol
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Have had two sets of spits in the last year and a half with bearing seat issues. RF 60mm and conical full 58mm. They replaced them (with classic shapes each time) no prob and those didn’t have an issue. Tried another set of CF 58 and the same thing happened. Switched to 55mm tablets and had no issue. Didn’t wanna deal with a third warranty claim in a year and a half so took the L on the 58s. With both the RF and CF I had to use a bearing press to get them in and then they’d pop out. The 55 tablets had no issue getting the bearings in and they’re locked in. Same with the classic shape. I wonder if there’s an issue with the wider contact wheels.
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They got back to me super fast. I have a set of 97a RFs coming. They didn’t have any 99s. If it happens again I’ll just stop buying that shape. My tablets, CFs, and Classics don’t have that issue.
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i dont even know anymore
the dlx 8.75 shape ruined everything i believed was true
The 14.25 or the 14.62?
A friend and I call the 8.75/14.62 "The Destroyer of Worlds," because no matter what you think you know/like about the set-up you are riding, a week on the 8.75 will eviscerate "everything you believed was true."
I have one of those in my pile next up. The Joe Buffalo one. Stoked to get rolling on it.
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Have had two sets of spits in the last year and a half with bearing seat issues. RF 60mm and conical full 58mm. They replaced them (with classic shapes each time) no prob and those didn’t have an issue. Tried another set of CF 58 and the same thing happened. Switched to 55mm tablets and had no issue. Didn’t wanna deal with a third warranty claim in a year and a half so took the L on the 58s. With both the RF and CF I had to use a bearing press to get them in and then they’d pop out. The 55 tablets had no issue getting the bearings in and they’re locked in. Same with the classic shape. I wonder if there’s an issue with the wider contact wheels.
It would be even just one of the molds for those wheel shapes that is a touch out, or not calibrated correctly, that would cause the shape issue. I have seen other brands like Bones cutting out their own molds from aluminium or some metal like it and pouring urethane wheels, but not Spitfire, so don't know exactly how the mold sits, but there is usually a bottom cup like piece and then a top piece that fits in / locks in place for the duration of the process, which can then be taken off and the wheel popped out of the mold, before being cut down / shaped to what is desired, but that is only the outside area that is cut, not the inside.
There can be a lot of wheel molds all sitting together in rows / lines, so the possibility of getting just one wheel mold wrong from fifty to a hundred is still going to cause one wheel in every twelve to twenty five or so sets to be out, which might not sound like a whole lot, but that is still way too many wheels that can have issues in a few thousand sets of each shape / mold / run.
Stands to reason that some shapes have more issues than others, as dramas can unfold with new molds being created, whereas old molds might all be exactly correct for the tried and tested wheels, like Classics.
That's my take on it anyway.
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Have had two sets of spits in the last year and a half with bearing seat issues. RF 60mm and conical full 58mm. They replaced them (with classic shapes each time) no prob and those didn’t have an issue. Tried another set of CF 58 and the same thing happened. Switched to 55mm tablets and had no issue. Didn’t wanna deal with a third warranty claim in a year and a half so took the L on the 58s. With both the RF and CF I had to use a bearing press to get them in and then they’d pop out. The 55 tablets had no issue getting the bearings in and they’re locked in. Same with the classic shape. I wonder if there’s an issue with the wider contact wheels.
It would be even just one of the molds for those wheel shapes that is a touch out, or not calibrated correctly, that would cause the shape issue. I have seen other brands like Bones cutting out their own molds from aluminium or some metal like it and pouring urethane wheels, but not Spitfire, so don't know exactly how the mold sits, but there is usually a bottom cup like piece and then a top piece that fits in / locks in place for the duration of the process, which can then be taken off and the wheel popped out of the mold, before being cut down / shaped to what is desired, but that is only the outside area that is cut, not the inside.
There can be a lot of wheel molds all sitting together in rows / lines, so the possibility of getting just one wheel mold wrong from fifty to a hundred is still going to cause one wheel in every twelve to twenty five or so sets to be out, which might not sound like a whole lot, but that is still way too many wheels that can have issues in a few thousand sets of each shape / mold / run.
Stands to reason that some shapes have more issues than others, as dramas can unfold with new molds being created, whereas old molds might all be exactly correct for the tried and tested wheels, like Classics.
That's my take on it anyway.
They want me to send my wheels back to them, so hopefully they figure something out. Cause one bad wheel can ruin an entire setup. The other three worked perfectly. Kinda makes me wish they sold single wheels lol
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They want me to send my wheels back to them, so hopefully they figure something out. Cause one bad wheel can ruin an entire setup. The other three worked perfectly. Kinda makes me wish they sold single wheels lol
I had even thought, but not sure if I actually said with the set I had with that issue if there was another single wheel from a set with a similar issue (which I know had happened) I would just take that one wheel in exchange, but that was a little difficult to do but hopefully someone somewhere can recycle any wheels that are ok and make sets from them to pass on to someone to skate.
The others that are not centered correctly can just end up on a display shelf or something. At least that is where one set with one wheel that split is now. Mementos of old times.
Glad that they got that going ASAP for you as well. Sometimes things can take a while, but DLX is amazing with the warranty and customer service.
A lot of people don't know or realise that anything like that is definitely covered under warranty, vs the guy who power slides to stop and complains about flatspots, which is NOT covered.
Any which way, having any product that performs as required is often taken for granted, but it is nice that things do get fixed / replaced if there is a problem.
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my madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.
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my madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.
I saw dave bachinsky skated a 7.5". And daewon skated a small ass board as well. Convinced me to start skating smaller boards. Worst mistake of my life. Set up a thank you 7.6" board with 139 indy's. I could not lock into a krook or feeble for the life of me with those small ass trucks lol.
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my madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.
I saw dave bachinsky skated a 7.5". And daewon skated a small ass board as well. Convinced me to start skating smaller boards. Worst mistake of my life. Set up a thank you 7.6" board with 139 indy's. I could not lock into a krook or feeble for the life of me with those small ass trucks lol.
ha.
i’m so guilty.
that being said, i cannot feeble or k-grind. but. the most successful i’ve been landing flip tricks has come off of setups that are just under 8, with 8 trucks.
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Had a good session today after changing my wheels, can’t believe I was about to toss out my 159 hollows cause some faulty wheels. No more locking up. Just hope the new ones don’t have the same issues.
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my madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.
I've done this so many times. I know for a fact wider trucks and bigger wheels are what suits my skating but I'll see clips of Stranger riding Ace 44's and like 52mm wheels, no risers, 8.2-8.3 deck I'm assuming and I'll be like...that's what I need, lower the ride man. Nope, every crack and pebble rattles my brain. Turn still bites sooner than I want...etc. But seeing Boserio running huge wheels on some Ace 44's kinda started the big wheel journey for me and that part stuck.
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my madness is quite pathetic:
i’ll watch clips of skating that get me hyped, and then want to buy that setup.
the latest would be some wade 2 trick clip, from his story. deck looked nice, 147s (i assume), small wheels. i wonder which shape board he skates.
and i’m back to looking at buying stuff, just like that.
I've done this so many times. I know for a fact wider trucks and bigger wheels are what suits my skating but I'll see clips of Stranger riding Ace 44's and like 52mm wheels, no risers, 8.2-8.3 deck I'm assuming and I'll be like...that's what I need, lower the ride man. Nope, every crack and pebble rattles my brain. Turn still bites sooner than I want...etc. But seeing Boserio running huge wheels on some Ace 44's kinda started the big wheel journey for me and that part stuck.
Yeah, boserio got me hooked on riding wheels bigger than 54mm
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Had a good session today after changing my wheels, can’t believe I was about to toss out my 159 hollows cause some faulty wheels. No more locking up. Just hope the new ones don’t have the same issues.
With all due respect, at least 95% of the gear you've bought to skate that I've seen you post is quality and nearly every skater on here would enjoy skating those parts. Even the ones you've called out recently as "faulty" which likely weren't faulty, evident of MBrimmo's suggested solution(s).
Especially since much of it is so new.
Some of your concerns may be artificially placed on the gear since your skill level is still catching up to your stoke level on skateboarding and the gear. Not that you need to be reminded, but ride your gear more and enjoy the parts, my man!
Sometimes you gotta massage your set up's parts with your skate tools wgwn they're new and power through the "break-in" period. Usually, if ya let it break in you won't see almost any of these issues I've noticed you call out on here.
Forgive me, if this feels too direct of an attack. I wanna help you and anyone out there to fight the madness if they're willing. And, save money since gear is considerably more expensive than 2 years ago and before.
I suffer from buying too many shoes that I like, so I'm guilty of scratching that itch via spending $ on shoes instead of actually skating more often. 🙃 My sentiment is also self-applicable
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Do y’all think it matters when one wheel is slower than the other? Sure it’s just a bearing, but shouldn’t the other wheels make up for it?
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Not unless it is significantly slower/locking up. Do you think all 4 wheels on a car have the same drag coefficient?
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Do y’all think it matters when one wheel is slower than the other? Sure it’s just a bearing, but shouldn’t the other wheels make up for it?
I always put the smallest wheel on the front heel, as well as the slowest spinning bearings.
Given some people skate a board both ways a lot more than me which could change things, but that is the easiest way I get around any bearing wearing issues, which usually means that wheel and bearing get the least wear and has the least amount of pressure on it, less weight, etc. Sure I do pop shovits and similar things, but for the most part, that front heel position stays the same for the majority of my skating.
Sometimes I have also put the more crusty bearings or any that make more noise on the front wheels, with the better bearings on the back, or if they are about half and half, sometimes even the not so good ones paired with a good one so every wheel feels about the same.
Of course some people just leave that whole set or what is left of it in the spares box, as I did with six Bones Swiss Ceramic bearings, after someone lost a wheel and two bearings, but they are a different story and I didn't want to mix and match those with anything else.
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I admittedly haven’t read all 54 pages of this thread, but I’m curious if anyone else has my obsessive tendency of ultra clean grip? When I apply a new sheet it has to be perfect, and I use grip gum at least every other session. I hate that I’m this way. I know after using a deck for a while, grip will eventually get dinged and torn but it instantly annoys me when it happens.
No other part of my board bothers me when it’s impacted by use. Just grip. Annoying.
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I admittedly haven’t read all 54 pages of this thread, but I’m curious if anyone else has my obsessive tendency of ultra clean grip? When I apply a new sheet it has to be perfect, and I use grip gum at least every other session. I hate that I’m this way. I know after using a deck for a while, grip will eventually get dinged and torn but it instantly annoys me when it happens.
No other part of my board bothers me when it’s impacted by use. Just grip. Annoying.
We have a few DIY & parking garages spots* here that are INSANELY dusty. Like, your grip tape comes out brown, and you need to clean your bearings after a few long sessions (all of which really makes think me/others should wear some kind of respiratory mask while skating there). After skating those places, or others like it, I absolutely use grip gum.
*My b/s disaster in my sig file is at one of those garages.
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I commend anyone dedicated to the passion of perfect grip....it's an uphill battle. The grip gum in your car or at the door is a good idea. Also re-gripping can be cleansing.....
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I admittedly haven’t read all 54 pages of this thread, but I’m curious if anyone else has my obsessive tendency of ultra clean grip? When I apply a new sheet it has to be perfect, and I use grip gum at least every other session. I hate that I’m this way. I know after using a deck for a while, grip will eventually get dinged and torn but it instantly annoys me when it happens.
No other part of my board bothers me when it’s impacted by use. Just grip. Annoying.
And now in autumn there is no way grip stats without leaves
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I get too sweaty when I skate so it drips onto my grip. First few sessions I get upset but by the end of my decks life it is covered in light brown sweat drops.
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I admittedly haven’t read all 54 pages of this thread, but I’m curious if anyone else has my obsessive tendency of ultra clean grip? When I apply a new sheet it has to be perfect, and I use grip gum at least every other session. I hate that I’m this way. I know after using a deck for a while, grip will eventually get dinged and torn but it instantly annoys me when it happens.
No other part of my board bothers me when it’s impacted by use. Just grip. Annoying.
We have a few DIY & parking garages spots* here that are INSANELY dusty. Like, your grip tape comes out brown, and you need to clean your bearings after a few long sessions (all of which really makes think me/others should wear some kind of respiratory mask while skating there). After skating those places, or others like it, I absolutely use grip gum.
*My b/s disaster in my sig file is at one of those garages.
Yeah there’s a nasty garage where everyone here skates and it’s actually kind of crazy that we all go exercise five floors below ground in a pit of automobile exhaust and bum piss/shit. Fortunately I’ve got a secret curb near to the water which is well above ground and is wide open to the breeze.
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Do y’all think it matters when one wheel is slower than the other? Sure it’s just a bearing, but shouldn’t the other wheels make up for it?
I always put the smallest wheel on the front heel, as well as the slowest spinning bearings.
Given some people skate a board both ways a lot more than me which could change things, but that is the easiest way I get around any bearing wearing issues, which usually means that wheel and bearing get the least wear and has the least amount of pressure on it, less weight, etc. Sure I do pop shovits and similar things, but for the most part, that front heel position stays the same for the majority of my skating.
Sometimes I have also put the more crusty bearings or any that make more noise on the front wheels, with the better bearings on the back, or if they are about half and half, sometimes even the not so good ones paired with a good one so every wheel feels about the same.
Of course some people just leave that whole set or what is left of it in the spares box, as I did with six Bones Swiss Ceramic bearings, after someone lost a wheel and two bearings, but they are a different story and I didn't want to mix and match those with anything else.
Sadly I'm one of those people who skate my board both ways. Even when I'm not riding a twintail, I use the nose as a tail when riding switch. I just paired the bad bearings with good ones. Even time the wheels, the "slow" one is only like 3 seconds slower so I doubt it makes a difference.
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I'm weird about griptape. I have ten gently used decks with grip on them. These are decks I skated for a week or so. Nothing's wrong with them. I plan on riding a few this winter. But I have the urge to regrip them even though they're fine?
I switched to Pepper two setups ago.
Most of the decks have Mob/Jessup. Mob I don't mind so much, but I'm afraid Jessup will lead to an injury since I'm used to a grippier deck now.
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So I got some 97a Spitfires and lost my No Comply Shuvs for a minute. I was confused at first, then realized that the harder wheels helped me scoop them more (broke traction easier). I eventually adjusted.
It’s funny how something so minor can make a difference. They also made my setup sound a little dead.
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They also made my setup sound a little dead.
Yup. Hate that sound.
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I'll be damned if I've ever noticed a setup issue with 180 no comply. I literally did one on an Enjoi kids board with foam grip today I have madness but that's a new level of ridiculousness and needing to simply practice technique
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So I got some 97a Spitfires and lost my No Comply Shuvs for a minute. I was confused at first, then realized that the harder wheels helped me scoop them more (broke traction easier). I eventually adjusted.
It’s funny how something so minor can make a difference. They also made my setup sound a little dead.
Came in to say that no comply front shuv is probably one of my favorite tricks ever.
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Ok this is a madness related situation that I could do with some advice on. It is a fairly long and rambling rant/description so bear with me!
After trying out many different shapes, sizes and wheelbases over the years the deck that I like the most (Jart/HLC Classic 7.6” wide, 31.6” long, 14.2” wheelbase with low concave) isn’t currently available in the UK. (There are still some complete skateboards available with the same sized deck but after buying one and regripping it, I’m convinced they use less well finished decks for those in comparison to their individually sold decks). I’ve emailed HLC to ask them directly about supply of the individual decks to which they’ve replied they have none in stock and it doesn’t look like they are planning on making any for next year either. They have a Sk8mafia 7.6” option but it is too short at 31.04”.
I’ve recently set up a 7.5” and thought I would love it but in actuality it was just too narrow. 7.75” seems just a touch too wide, 7.6” is perfect for me and I feel like I have progressed much more since staying on this one size this year. As it stands, I have one very well used 7.6” currently set up and one slightly used spare deck on ice that I sourced from eBay, after that, no more.
So the way I see it is I have three options:
1: Try and buy up a few remaining exact replacement decks from mainland Europe and import them at a cost. My concerns with this is that the supply will eventually run out, then what? Part of my madness is hating the thought of using something that isn’t replaceable or is that becoming obsolete!
2: Deal with it, move on and reignite the madness by trying out new deck size/brands and dimensions again. The madness is real, I’m guilty of speeding far too much time wondering about other options as it is. I’m mildly annoyed that I would be changing something that I didn’t want to though and I’ve not wanted to stray since finding this size/shape.
3: Try and recreate the same deck dimensions by trimming down and reshaping a larger deck, say for example a high concave 8” with the same length and wheelbase. Surely with the sides trimmed-down that would make a medium/low concave 7.6”? Also, I’ve never attempted something like this, on paper it could work well but it would need practice.
Retaining the specific 31.6” length seems to be the biggest sticking point with replacing my 7.6”. Most of the current options (of which there are not many) from other brands seem to be around 31” - 31.2” in length these days. I’m not keen on 14” or below wheelbases either, 14.125” - 14.25” is my ideal wheelbase.
Any suggestions? How do you deal with the diminishing stock of a board you love and want to replace?
Thanks!
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Ok this is a madness related situation that I could do with some advice on. It is a fairly long and rambling rant/description so bear with me!
After trying out many different shapes, sizes and wheelbases over the years the deck that I like the most (Jart/HLC Classic 7.6” wide, 31.6” long, 14.2” wheelbase with low concave) isn’t currently available in the UK. (There are still some complete skateboards available with the same sized deck but after buying one and regripping it, I’m convinced they use less well finished decks for those in comparison to their individually sold decks). I’ve emailed HLC to ask them directly about supply of the individual decks to which they’ve replied they have none in stock and it doesn’t look like they are planning on making any for next year either. They have a Sk8mafia 7.6” option but it is too short at 31.04”.
I’ve recently set up a 7.5” and thought I would love it but in actuality it was just too narrow. 7.75” seems just a touch too wide, 7.6” is perfect for me and I feel like I have progressed much more since staying on this one size this year. As it stands, I have one very well used 7.6” currently set up and one slightly used spare deck on ice that I sourced from eBay, after that, no more.
So the way I see it is I have three options:
1: Try and buy up a few remaining exact replacement decks from mainland Europe and import them at a cost. My concerns with this is that the supply will eventually run out, then what? Part of my madness is hating the thought of using something that isn’t replaceable or is that becoming obsolete!
2: Deal with it, move on and reignite the madness by trying out new deck size/brands and dimensions again. The madness is real, I’m guilty of speeding far too much time wondering about other options as it is. I’m mildly annoyed that I would be changing something that I didn’t want to though and I’ve not wanted to stray since finding this size/shape.
3: Try and recreate the same deck dimensions by trimming down and reshaping a larger deck, say for example a high concave 8” with the same length and wheelbase. Surely with the sides trimmed-down that would make a medium/low concave 7.6”? Also, I’ve never attempted something like this, on paper it could work well but it would need practice.
Retaining the specific 31.6” length seems to be the biggest sticking point with replacing my 7.6”. Most of the current options (of which there are not many) from other brands seem to be around 31” - 31.2” in length these days. I’m not keen on 14” or below wheelbases either, 14.125” - 14.25” is my ideal wheelbase.
Any suggestions? How do you deal with the diminishing stock of a board you love and want to replace?
Thanks!
Oh man, it's never easy to change. But your case is kinda rare, haven't seen any 7.6 decks in ~15 years.
But if I were you, I would try to find a 8" deck with 31.6 length and a 14.25 wheelbase. I am sure, there are some.
I think DLX decks with that true fit mold could work for you. Best of luck and stay positive.
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Lighter Indy Mids is a perfect way to describe the pop but the turn is something else. They've got a pretty unique geometry. FWIW one of my good friends that has been on Indy for 15 years tried them and found them too squirrely unless he had like 3-4 threads showing. Supposedly Griffin Gass runs Ace hards in his but could be BS.
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Thought I was gonna go with this LBC Skate Shop deck, but it sounds like the wood is splintering when I stand on it. Bought it last year, but feel like it was made during COVID in 2020.
So I might setup a new deck. I know it’s silly, but out of the dozen decks I’ve skated over the last year none of them have sounded like they were about to break under my weight lol. I’m a bigger skater, but not that big 😂
This is my first shop deck. Not sure what woodshop they used. The deck also seems a little thicker than my pro ones.
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Ok this is a madness related situation that I could do with some advice on. It is a fairly long and rambling rant/description so bear with me!
After trying out many different shapes, sizes and wheelbases over the years the deck that I like the most (Jart/HLC Classic 7.6” wide, 31.6” long, 14.2” wheelbase with low concave) isn’t currently available in the UK. (There are still some complete skateboards available with the same sized deck but after buying one and regripping it, I’m convinced they use less well finished decks for those in comparison to their individually sold decks). I’ve emailed HLC to ask them directly about supply of the individual decks to which they’ve replied they have none in stock and it doesn’t look like they are planning on making any for next year either. They have a Sk8mafia 7.6” option but it is too short at 31.04”.
I’ve recently set up a 7.5” and thought I would love it but in actuality it was just too narrow. 7.75” seems just a touch too wide, 7.6” is perfect for me and I feel like I have progressed much more since staying on this one size this year. As it stands, I have one very well used 7.6” currently set up and one slightly used spare deck on ice that I sourced from eBay, after that, no more.
So the way I see it is I have three options:
1: Try and buy up a few remaining exact replacement decks from mainland Europe and import them at a cost. My concerns with this is that the supply will eventually run out, then what? Part of my madness is hating the thought of using something that isn’t replaceable or is that becoming obsolete!
2: Deal with it, move on and reignite the madness by trying out new deck size/brands and dimensions again. The madness is real, I’m guilty of speeding far too much time wondering about other options as it is. I’m mildly annoyed that I would be changing something that I didn’t want to though and I’ve not wanted to stray since finding this size/shape.
3: Try and recreate the same deck dimensions by trimming down and reshaping a larger deck, say for example a high concave 8” with the same length and wheelbase. Surely with the sides trimmed-down that would make a medium/low concave 7.6”? Also, I’ve never attempted something like this, on paper it could work well but it would need practice.
Retaining the specific 31.6” length seems to be the biggest sticking point with replacing my 7.6”. Most of the current options (of which there are not many) from other brands seem to be around 31” - 31.2” in length these days. I’m not keen on 14” or below wheelbases either, 14.125” - 14.25” is my ideal wheelbase.
Any suggestions? How do you deal with the diminishing stock of a board you love and want to replace?
Thanks!
Oh man, it's never easy to change. But your case is kinda rare, haven't seen any 7.6 decks in ~15 years.
But if I were you, I would try to find a 8" deck with 31.6 length and a 14.25 wheelbase. I am sure, there are some.
I think DLX decks with that true fit mold could work for you. Best of luck and stay positive.
Thank you for your reply fs1/2cab and nice one for the recommendation, I’m not actually that familiar with a lot of DLX decks so I will definitely do some further research into them and their true fit moulds as they sound interesting.
P.S. I did get quite carried away with my last post offloading there, I just felt like getting it out of my system and this seems like the place to do it!
Shape wise I’m also now looking at a Polar 7.875” as apart from the width they have fairly similar dimensions and are both easily found and often on sale where I am. Also, another reason to try one is that it could be my first BBS made board.
Cheers again :)
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Thought I was gonna go with this LBC Skate Shop deck, but it sounds like the wood is splintering when I stand on it. Bought it last year, but feel like it was made during COVID in 2020.
So I might setup a new deck. I know it’s silly, but out of the dozen decks I’ve skated over the last year none of them have sounded like they were about to break under my weight lol. I’m a bigger skater, but not that big 😂
This is my first shop deck. Not sure what woodshop they used. The deck also seems a little thicker than my pro ones.
If you're 245 as you previously said that is 100lbs heavier or 160% of the average skater. My friend that is a built 200 breaks decks with high frequency even. Back in the day when I was around 195 when I quit skating I was snapping shit constantly.
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Thought I was gonna go with this LBC Skate Shop deck, but it sounds like the wood is splintering when I stand on it. Bought it last year, but feel like it was made during COVID in 2020.
So I might setup a new deck. I know it’s silly, but out of the dozen decks I’ve skated over the last year none of them have sounded like they were about to break under my weight lol. I’m a bigger skater, but not that big 😂
This is my first shop deck. Not sure what woodshop they used. The deck also seems a little thicker than my pro ones.
If you're 245 as you previously said that is 100lbs heavier or 160% of the average skater. My friend that is a built 200 breaks decks with high frequency even. Back in the day when I was around 195 when I quit skating I was snapping shit constantly.
It's funny cause I've never snapped a deck. But it's probably cause I only skate flat and ollie infrequently due to my bad knee. Just no complies, cruising, and wheelies. I switched to one of my Girl decks and it's sturdy. No creaking sounds.
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A creaking sound would simply drive me insane.
I had an April last year that was probably a bit old (Guy's first graphic) and it delammed sorta quickly. You could hear the deck creak and I kept riding it simply because it somehow worked and never snapped. It was really annoying and I mostly stuck with it because it performed well but if you're not popping much then I wouldn't put up with it.
The Chinese made decks sound great for bigger people. The epoxy is super stiff and they seem to last forever even for those that really skate hard.
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Been reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit
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Been reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.
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Been reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.
For what's worth I didn't like classics but I love AF1
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Been reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.
For sure, I think they are a huge improvement over the Classics in every regard, but my point is that gear acquisition under such a circumstance as obsessively reading about a pair of trucks will probably not stop one from continuing to obsess over trucks.
Anyone who likes Ace Classics and wants to try the AF1s should buy them. I'm basically now an Ace Lifer.
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Been reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.
For sure, I think they are a huge improvement over the Classics in every regard, but my point is that gear acquisition under such a circumstance as obsessively reading about a pair of trucks will probably not stop one from continuing to obsess over trucks.
Anyone who likes Ace Classics and wants to try the AF1s should buy them. I'm basically now an Ace Lifer.
you on the 44s? what decks you like? ace became the most goldilocks shit for me: board to board was way different in pop
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Ace 44s with 8-8.125" decks, mostly Primitive lately because I bought some on one of their super sales and really like them. I have short legs so the tight wheelbase of the decks with the inset distance of the trucks helps my pop, which sucks anyway because I'm old and constantly injured.
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Been reading and looking up stuff about trucks constantly all day for the past 2 weeks or so lol. About to just pull the trigger on some Ace AF1s and try to stop thinking about trucks for a while. Its actually crazy how much ive been on here reading about trucks recently. Ive rode the ace classics and loved them, but never tried af1s so figure maybe thatll stop the madness for a bit
The AF1s are great trucks, but if you think buying a new pair of trucks is going to curb your madness, I've got bad news for you.
Hahaha ya i know it wont fully cure the madness. Im sure i will love the af1s then get curious about thunders eventually hahah. But, ya havent tried out af1s yet but loved my classic 44s so figured i would give them a try.
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Ace 44s with 8-8.125" decks, mostly Primitive lately because I bought some on one of their super sales and really like them. I have short legs so the tight wheelbase of the decks with the inset distance of the trucks helps my pop, which sucks anyway because I'm old and constantly injured.
this tracks with my experience with aces: one the original run, i had the 33s, whites ones. back when ah and krooked would have 7.8s. the pop was good.
more recently i had them on a girl 14” wb, pop good. also old and injured.
i shouldn’t have bought into the effective wb stuff.
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Did anybody figure out a truck setup of thunder hangers in some other longer baseplate that doesn't feel like shit?
The classic would be thunder hanger in venture plates. Which bushings though?
Yes pros can slide just fine on the thunder plate. I'm not pro and it's 1000 times easier to slide loooong on other trucks.
(I'm close to axle on the thunders and want to keep skating the hangers)
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Did anybody figure out a truck setup of thunder hangers in some other longer baseplate that doesn't feel like shit?
The classic would be thunder hanger in venture plates. Which bushings though?
Yes pros can slide just fine on the thunder plate. I'm not pro and it's 1000 times easier to slide loooong on other trucks.
(I'm close to axle on the thunders and want to keep skating the hangers)
it’s been mentioned on here, somewhere.
i think johnny tang, whom i only have seen from deep dives on ig, had some shit like this.
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Did anybody figure out a truck setup of thunder hangers in some other longer baseplate that doesn't feel like shit?
The classic would be thunder hanger in venture plates. Which bushings though?
Yes pros can slide just fine on the thunder plate. I'm not pro and it's 1000 times easier to slide loooong on other trucks.
(I'm close to axle on the thunders and want to keep skating the hangers)
Make life easier and just skate a whole venture truck. Even with the thunder hanger it will still turn like a venture. Although the thunder grinds so damn good I kinda see what you're going for.
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I’ve decided to focus on progression next year instead of hoarding gear. But I have like a dozen new decks. This wouldn’t be an issue, but since I want to progress I’m just gonna stick to Crailtap’s G053 shape.
Might revisit the other decks one day. Have any of y’all ever skated a new deck that was like 3-4 years old?
I feel like they’ll be fine. They’ll be in my apartment, in a box under my bed stack with similar decks.
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I’ve decided to focus on progression next year instead of hoarding gear. But I have like a dozen new decks. This wouldn’t be an issue, but since I want to progress I’m just gonna stick to Crailtap’s G053 shape.
Might revisit the other decks one day. Have any of y’all ever skated a new deck that was like 3-4 years old?
I feel like they’ll be fine. They’ll be in my apartment, in a box under my bed stack with similar decks.
that’s a really good board to stick with.
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I’ve decided to focus on progression next year instead of hoarding gear. But I have like a dozen new decks. This wouldn’t be an issue, but since I want to progress I’m just gonna stick to Crailtap’s G053 shape.
Might revisit the other decks one day. Have any of y’all ever skated a new deck that was like 3-4 years old?
I feel like they’ll be fine. They’ll be in my apartment, in a box under my bed stack with similar decks.
that’s a really good board to stick with.
I love it. Just feels so right. Pairs well with my 159s and 55m Lock In Fulls. I could ride this setup for the rest of my life 😌
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I’ve decided to focus on progression next year instead of hoarding gear. But I have like a dozen new decks. This wouldn’t be an issue, but since I want to progress I’m just gonna stick to Crailtap’s G053 shape.
Might revisit the other decks one day. Have any of y’all ever skated a new deck that was like 3-4 years old?
I feel like they’ll be fine. They’ll be in my apartment, in a box under my bed stack with similar decks.
that’s a really good board to stick with.
that’s a great notion! and i hope keep it.
i’ve never had allegiance to one setup. and i regret that, too busy trying on dresses, missed the dance.
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for the last 10 years i’ve been unintentionally committed to not skating the same setup, twice in a row. bad sentence.
often this was just a result of sporadicly skating, too much work/other stuff, etc. it is obvious in my mental health makeup that i want to try the next thing.
i say that to say this: i’m not sure where home is.
if you had to start all over, what would you begin with? i’ve been skating such wildly different setups/gear, i don’t have a good bead on what ‘works’ (in truth, it’s me and my physical limitations, i’ve changed a lot).
my latest inclination is to just buy whatever the most common complete would be, if this era, and then just stick with that. or give it a month.
skating isn’t currently as homogeneous as it has been, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a uniform setup, compared to the days of my youth, or even 10ish years ago
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for the last 10 years i’ve been unintentionally committed to not skating the same setup, twice in a row. bad sentence.
often this was just a result of sporadicly skating, too much work/other stuff, etc. it is obvious in my mental health makeup that i want to try the next thing.
i say that to say this: i’m not sure where home is.
if you had to start all over, what would you begin with? i’ve been skating such wildly different setups/gear, i don’t have a good bead on what ‘works’ (in truth, it’s me and my physical limitations, i’ve changed a lot).
my latest inclination is to just buy whatever the most common complete would be, if this era, and then just stick with that. or give it a month.
skating isn’t currently as homogeneous as it has been, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a uniform setup, compared to the days of my youth, or even 10ish years ago
Maybe to recreate the setup of your prime?
In my case I spent an awful amount of time and money figuring out what's best for me and at the end that's = 8.25 with a 14 WB and no longer than 32 (G052 and Primitive shapes are my fav), Jessup Ultra, Ace AF1 (currently I'm on 44 but I did best with 55), F4 99 OG classics 53mm (Currently on CF 53mm since I couldn't find the aforementioned) and obviously swiss 6 (regular ones are ok too).
Regarding shoes 808 are my to go with 480 being a solid alternative.
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for the last 10 years i’ve been unintentionally committed to not skating the same setup, twice in a row. bad sentence.
often this was just a result of sporadicly skating, too much work/other stuff, etc. it is obvious in my mental health makeup that i want to try the next thing.
i say that to say this: i’m not sure where home is.
if you had to start all over, what would you begin with? i’ve been skating such wildly different setups/gear, i don’t have a good bead on what ‘works’ (in truth, it’s me and my physical limitations, i’ve changed a lot).
my latest inclination is to just buy whatever the most common complete would be, if this era, and then just stick with that. or give it a month.
skating isn’t currently as homogeneous as it has been, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a uniform setup, compared to the days of my youth, or even 10ish years ago
this
it wasnt necessarily my “prime”
but a setup i made a ton of progress on
after years of fucking around trying different shit
even going down as far as 8.25 for a minute
i ended up virtually on the same board
the prime setup:
antihero 9/33.25/15wb
thunder 151 hollows
52mm radial slims
1/8 risers
where im at 4 years later:
polar 9/32.5/14.5wb
venture 6.1 hollows
52ish radial fulls
ditched risers
if you ever want out of madness/finding home base
i have sort of an idea after spending thousands in the search
remember the board that you learned the most with
i think we all know that one, hard to forget the feeling
try and find it again or something close to it
pick a truck that fits that board. get married to it, settle down
id recommend cheating on your partner before your trucks
you will never be satisfied with and open truck relationship
once you get that setup, theres another vital rule
stay out of threads that dont involve the gear you skate
you will be persuaded back down a consumerist rabbit hole
and theres countless better things to blow money on
worked pretty well for me
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for the last 10 years i’ve been unintentionally committed to not skating the same setup, twice in a row. bad sentence.
often this was just a result of sporadicly skating, too much work/other stuff, etc. it is obvious in my mental health makeup that i want to try the next thing.
i say that to say this: i’m not sure where home is.
if you had to start all over, what would you begin with? i’ve been skating such wildly different setups/gear, i don’t have a good bead on what ‘works’ (in truth, it’s me and my physical limitations, i’ve changed a lot).
my latest inclination is to just buy whatever the most common complete would be, if this era, and then just stick with that. or give it a month.
skating isn’t currently as homogeneous as it has been, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a uniform setup, compared to the days of my youth, or even 10ish years ago
it wasnt necessarily my “prime”
but a setup i made a ton of progress on
after years of fucking around trying different shit
even going down as far as 8.25 for a minute
i ended up virtually on the same board
the prime setup:
antihero 9/33.25/15wb
thunder 151 hollows
52mm radial slims
1/8 risers
where im at 4 years later:
polar 9/32.5/14.5wb
venture 6.1 hollows
52ish radial fulls
ditched risers
if you ever want out of madness/finding home base
i have sort of an idea after spending thousands in the search
remember the board that you learned the most with
i think we all know that one, hard to forget the feeling
try and find it again or something close to it
pick a truck that fits that board. get married to it, settle down
id recommend cheating on your partner before your trucks
you will never be satisfied with and open truck relationship
once you get that setup, theres another vital rule
stay out of threads that dont involve the gear you skate
you will be persuaded back down a consumerist rabbit hole
and theres countless better things to blow money on
worked pretty well for me
hey i appreciate it!
my ‘prime’ was maybe 20+ years ago, and trying to ride tiny boards, low trucks and small wheels is hard. skating and aging is hard, ha.
i’ve used gear swaps as a way to get motivated and that’s a gross mentality.
you know how people eventually just accept that they are uncool and start dressing age appropriate? i’m overdue. just need to the get the dockers of skate setups.
i’ve got a buddy who rarely skates, he bought a legacy brand deck (not the actual company legacy), in 8.25, 144s, 53 classics. that’s the energy i need.
‘one what everyone else is having please’
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pick a truck that fits that board. get married to it, settle down
id recommend cheating on your partner before your trucks
you will never be satisfied with and open truck relationship
Solid advice. I'd go as far to say, pick decks that fit the trucks you are committed to. Don't fuck with your trucks.
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I wonder if our primes were really as good as we think? I was better at flip tricks and low altitude manual pad/mini ramp tricks by far, but I don't think I knew what a slappy was and my pop wasn't as solid especially switch.
Back then my setup was usually like a 7.6-8" AWS/Habitat, 7.75 Aesthetics. Or 7.75 Crail with Venture 5.0/5.2 or Thunder 145 low. I skated as low as 7.4, but after BA telling me to try a slightly bigger board and loving an 8 as a taller skater 7.75 ended up being the smallest I could fathom in like 2000. At one point I got a Toy Machine fists 8.25/Thunder 147 and that was when I first unlocked actually doing things fast.
I'm more convinced now that if I had the gear I do today I woulda learned to skate better and faster.
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I wonder if our primes were really as good as we think? I was better at flip tricks and low altitude manual pad/mini ramp tricks by far, but I don't think I knew what a slappy was and my pop wasn't as solid especially switch.
Back then my setup was usually like a 7.6-8" AWS/Habitat, 7.75 Aesthetics. Or 7.75 Crail with Venture 5.0/5.2 or Thunder 145 low. I skated as low as 7.4, but after BA telling me to try a slightly bigger board and loving an 8 as a taller skater 7.75 ended up being the smallest I could fathom in like 2000. At one point I got a Toy Machine fists 8.25/Thunder 147 and that was when I first unlocked actually doing things fast.
I'm more convinced now that if I had the gear I do today I woulda learned to skate better and faster.
I think about this all the time. I was definitely able to do tricks a lot easier. My setups got bigger over time but I’m back on 7.75’s now. Skating feels easier with a smaller setup as a small dude. But there is a certain stability I miss with a bigger setup. Especially when going fast. Since I mostly only skate ledges, manual pads and curbs I’m gonna stick with what feels good now.
I get in my head when I see the dudes who I think rip and how big their boards are. But no point in riding something that feels like a boat to me just because it’s the current standard.
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I wonder if our primes were really as good as we think? I was better at flip tricks and low altitude manual pad/mini ramp tricks by far, but I don't think I knew what a slappy was and my pop wasn't as solid especially switch.
Back then my setup was usually like a 7.6-8" AWS/Habitat, 7.75 Aesthetics. Or 7.75 Crail with Venture 5.0/5.2 or Thunder 145 low. I skated as low as 7.4, but after BA telling me to try a slightly bigger board and loving an 8 as a taller skater 7.75 ended up being the smallest I could fathom in like 2000. At one point I got a Toy Machine fists 8.25/Thunder 147 and that was when I first unlocked actually doing things fast.
I'm more convinced now that if I had the gear I do today I woulda learned to skate better and faster.
completely agree on chasing past ghosts (re: my long past prime).
the sentiment of riding a similar setup to your best session, first heard from some geoff rowley setup video.
your past setups are describing mine, very much so.
i would skate small, narrow, low setups, skate very slow, try lots of flip tricks, and occasionally ollie over or onto something relatively high. not much of a prime. trying to skate these small setups now, lots of tricks are easier, if i’m going really slow. really really slow.
there was a few times where i setup ‘big’ boards, to function as a cruiser. these would be 8” ish (i swear the orange eagle was this size in like 2002), 8” indys, 54s. me and my friends would get drunk and then be shocked when we could kickflip the insanely wide board. no light bulbs went off, no one thought it might be a good idea. i had 8.5 hewitt during that time and it looked like what 9.5-10 popsicle would look like to me now.
i struggle with skating fast, but it’s a lot easier on a bigger longer board. yesterday that meant more slams, slightly faster, as i couldn’t flip the behemoth around
so to rehash, totally agree prime was never all that. i don’t expect to be good, or even not gross. with all of my experimentations, i’m not even sure where i find something that feels comfortable for just a nice ollie.
i’m short, i was thinking an 8-8.25, 148s, 53 ish classics. i wonder what the most basic 8.25 is? the dlx 8.25x14.38x32?
if someone who didn’t skate, came into a shop, i guess that’s about what i’d recommend
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My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
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My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.
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My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness
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My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness
Talking about people in their prime, I recall back in 2003 when Mike V came out with his assorted crew for his current brand at the time, a demo at a mostly transition based park and a small but vocal group of locals heckled him as one young local ripper was "showing him up" with most things he was skating and trying, air variations and what not.
Already kind of old for a pro and often taking a while to get some tricks, he was not put off and went through his list of tricks like a man on a mission, but some things were harder than others, that was for sure.
When he got to meet the "wonder kid" after the demo and gave him a board or something, he said something like "I can only hope you still have half of those tricks when you get to my age, cause you sure are ripping now, but give it twenty years and then see how you feel after a hard session" or something like that.
The reason that stuck with me, (besides it being on video I took) was that "wonder kid" had his day in the sun but gave up skating after a while and moved on to other things, which just goes to show, some people will peak and then be done and gone just as quickly as they came, while others will stick with it, maybe well after their prime but still keep skating, whatever the reason.
Sure I am well past it at 48 now, maybe twenty to thirty years past what could have been my prime too, but that doesn't stop me getting out and having a roll and giving it a good go still, even though my body can't take half of what I want to try now, but then other things are all kinds of awesome and I would have never thought to try this or that back then when my skateboarding priorities were different.
Sure I can get bummed sometimes thinking about what I used to be able to do, but I try to think more about what I can still do and what I might be able to try in the future, as well as being stoked for others I skate with who are still on the rise, so from that perspective, I am not so worried about the finer details.
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My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness
Talking about people in their prime, I recall back in 2003 when Mike V came out with his assorted crew for his current brand at the time, a demo at a mostly transition based park and a small but vocal group of locals heckled him as one young local ripper was "showing him up" with most things he was skating and trying, air variations and what not.
Already kind of old for a pro and often taking a while to get some tricks, he was not put off and went through his list of tricks like a man on a mission, but some things were harder than others, that was for sure.
When he got to meet the "wonder kid" after the demo and gave him a board or something, he said something like "I can only hope you still have half of those tricks when you get to my age, cause you sure are ripping now, but give it twenty years and then see how you feel after a hard session" or something like that.
The reason that stuck with me, (besides it being on video I took) was that "wonder kid" had his day in the sun but gave up skating after a while and moved on to other things, which just goes to show, some people will peak and then be done and gone just as quickly as they came, while others will stick with it, maybe well after their prime but still keep skating, whatever the reason.
Sure I am well past it at 48 now, maybe twenty to thirty years past what could have been my prime too, but that doesn't stop me getting out and having a roll and giving it a good go still, even though my body can't take half of what I want to try now, but then other things are all kinds of awesome and I would have never thought to try this or that back then when my skateboarding priorities were different.
Sure I can get bummed sometimes thinking about what I used to be able to do, but I try to think more about what I can still do and what I might be able to try in the future, as well as being stoked for others I skate with who are still on the rise, so from that perspective, I am not so worried about the finer details.
this is a rad mentality, the notion of just getting out there, being a lifer. i’m still stuck in trying to land flatground tricks i only had so so in 1996. my skating never elvolved, or changed, as i got older. i see lots of folks shredding as they get older, usually a combination of great fundamentals/ go-to’s, natural ability, and then mixing in heavy doses of transition. (jesse paez has some clips on instagram that are an excellent example).
transition wasn’t in my area, and then when it became more available, i was to insecure to start from scratch, and just preferred to creep around and try my little worm burner flip flops. learning ramp shit now, is terrifying. but. it’s better than not skating. i’ve definitely taken uncomfortable slams on really really really basic stuff, rock fakies and that.
some days when everything is not working i’ll just ride around and do shuv-it’s and try and be grateful i’m not at work.
went out to today with multiple setups and just had a bunch of fun.
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My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness
"The older he gets, the better he thinks he was" - I think @j....soy..... said something to this effect a while back.
I've stopped thinking about trying to relive my prime - there were things I did better in my teens and things I'm doing better now in my late 30s, it's part of aging gracefully. The last thing I want to be is that old fuck at the session loudly reliving his glory days to anyone within earshot.
As for my prime setup - it's way too specific to recreate and only fit my skating at that moment, 2023 me would hate that same setup.
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someone here got me thinking about going back to 1 setup
i tried some spitifre 97a F4 54 mm classics today and i actually dont like how sticky they are. i am like 99% sure i just like the 99a better.
my 8.38 board has these 51mm 99a classics worn down as fuck and they feel reallllly shitty at a crusty spot.
but on my egg board i have these 54mm conical full 99a f4s and they go through crust wayyyy better
i dont want to say its cause 1 has better bearings than the other because the small wheel one spins really well and it goes quite well at skateparks for me etc. but the bigger wheel one clearly feels way faster. and way better over the crust as i said which is a huge factor in getting me back to 1 setup with the wide wheel. this wheel shape seems to be really working for me on this setup too... so i thought back to my original point
why not just go back to 1 setup
no rails
not sure whether 54 or 54mm conical full will make a difference but something around there.
i like the "smaller" board with big wheels.
I am on thunder teams 148s which are 52mm but i think it will be fine. if you are going to wheel bite
i can pull out the rails setup as i need to but its not something i actually need super often i am finding. it is fun but i dont think i am getting the most out of it. the spots i am typically utilizing them at i also dont really need to have a fresh deck for because they are like 4" high.
i set up the 8.38 with tiny tiny classics beucase it feels pretty sick when you skate a perfect spot. skateparks feel money, never feel like idrag on noseslides. my board feels a nice medium size to land on without being bulky. i still get good feedback from my trucks because they are teams. the turning is not complete tic tac land becuase they are 148s but i will admit they arent loosey goosey if thats what you wanna go for. i dont really need that though i would just ride a wide setup if i really wanted loose turning liek that (its way more stable... that just feels dangerous to me to ride skinny boards death loose but maybe makes sense for smaller guys) but like just put some bigger damn wheels on thing and you can take it anywhere right? i know it wont limit my tricks or spots or aynthing. i am considering even going up to like 56 just to be really wild and have hella speed. i was riding 56mm on indy standards for 10+ years. on 8" boards. i love that small board big wheel setup!!!! then i am confident i dont need to roll with that extra setup. i think i can still do all the combos and shit. like noseslide to crook.
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Random Note from the Land of Madness
About two months ago, while skating mini ramp, I didn’t like the way my front toe-side wheel was “locking in” (e.g. slipping out) on b/s 50-50s. I switched over to Conicals, which had a much better “lock.” Historically, I haven’t liked Conicals for street skating. I decided to give them another, pro-longed, chance. After a bit, I started to get used to them, and even somewhat like them. Def a smoother ride than Classics (bigger contact patch), good lock-in on 50-50s. I didn’t like them as much on feeble/smith grinds, and f/s 5-0s (when truck is angled a bit). They also had a “lesser slappy.” But, I was liking them. So, a bit later I am back on a mini ramp. I started having some trouble with pivot to fakies, and axle stalls to fakie. I bailed a few (slammed one pivot to fake quite hard) because the conicals were locking in just a tad too much during reentry. In 2019 I broke my leg on trick to fakie, and I will never fully get over the fear that created. Sometimes it seems like it’s gone. Sometimes it just comes back with acute vengeance, totally out of the blue. Pivot fakies have always scared me a bit, and with the broken leg context, the “fear to fakie” was suddenly back—I didn’t even want to try them again. I switched back over to my Classics, but it was two weeks before I even started trying them again, but I was too scared to commit to any of them. The next session I came back wearing every pad I owned, and once I committed, started pulling them every time.
The mind, triggered by gear nuance, is, well…maddening.
I won’t be riding Conicals again.
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someone here got me thinking about going back to 1 setup
i tried some spitifre 97a F4 54 mm classics today and i actually dont like how sticky they are. i am like 99% sure i just like the 99a better.
my 8.38 board has these 51mm 99a classics worn down as fuck and they feel reallllly shitty at a crusty spot.
but on my egg board i have these 54mm conical full 99a f4s and they go through crust wayyyy better
i dont want to say its cause 1 has better bearings than the other because the small wheel one spins really well and it goes quite well at skateparks for me etc. but the bigger wheel one clearly feels way faster. and way better over the crust as i said which is a huge factor in getting me back to 1 setup with the wide wheel. this wheel shape seems to be really working for me on this setup too... so i thought back to my original point
why not just go back to 1 setup
no rails
not sure whether 54 or 54mm conical full will make a difference but something around there.
i like the "smaller" board with big wheels.
I am on thunder teams 148s which are 52mm but i think it will be fine. if you are going to wheel bite
i can pull out the rails setup as i need to but its not something i actually need super often i am finding. it is fun but i dont think i am getting the most out of it. the spots i am typically utilizing them at i also dont really need to have a fresh deck for because they are like 4" high.
i set up the 8.38 with tiny tiny classics beucase it feels pretty sick when you skate a perfect spot. skateparks feel money, never feel like idrag on noseslides. my board feels a nice medium size to land on without being bulky. i still get good feedback from my trucks because they are teams. the turning is not complete tic tac land becuase they are 148s but i will admit they arent loosey goosey if thats what you wanna go for. i dont really need that though i would just ride a wide setup if i really wanted loose turning liek that (its way more stable... that just feels dangerous to me to ride skinny boards death loose but maybe makes sense for smaller guys) but like just put some bigger damn wheels on thing and you can take it anywhere right? i know it wont limit my tricks or spots or aynthing. i am considering even going up to like 56 just to be really wild and have hella speed. i was riding 56mm on indy standards for 10+ years. on 8" boards. i love that small board big wheel setup!!!! then i am confident i dont need to roll with that extra setup. i think i can still do all the combos and shit. like noseslide to crook.
Why not just slowly go up in wheels. If you have 51 Classic try a 52 Radial. Its wider riding surface but the c-c width is similar. Or 53. You might not need 54+ and find that just the wheel change is a happy medium.
I remember in Jake Anderson's interview he said he was skating some realllllly crusty spots so he went up from 52 to a 54. Very few pros ride bigger than 54 and many, if not most, are on a Classic shape (probably a 70/30 or 60/40 split between classic shapes and wider conical shapes). Many pros skate all flavors of crust, normal terrain, etc on the same wheel and it might not be ideal, but if it is middle-of-the-road-enough you probably won't be at a complete loss at spots as you are now and will get used to pushing/speed reduction. In a country where cardiovascular diseases are a prominent cause of death think of it as prolonging life.
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Random Note from the Land of Madness
About two months ago, while skating mini ramp, I didn’t like the way my front toe-side wheel was “locking in” (e.g. slipping out) on b/s 50-50s. I switched over to Conicals, which had a much better “lock.” Historically, I haven’t liked Conicals for street skating. I decided to give them another, pro-longed, chance. After a bit, I started to get used to them, and even somewhat like them. Def a smoother ride than Classics (bigger contact patch), good lock-in on 50-50s. I didn’t like them as much on feeble/smith grinds, and f/s 5-0s (when truck is angled a bit). They also had a “lesser slappy.” But, I was liking them. So, a bit later I am back on a mini ramp. I started having some trouble with pivot to fakies, and axle stalls to fakie. I bailed a few (slammed one pivot to fake quite hard) because the conicals were locking in just a tad too much during reentry. In 2019 I broke my leg on trick to fakie, and I will never fully get over the fear that created. Sometimes it seems like it’s gone. Sometimes it just comes back with acute vengeance, totally out of the blue. Pivot fakies have always scared me a bit, and with the broken leg context, the “fear to fakie” was suddenly back—I didn’t even want to try them again. I switched back over to my Classics, but it was two weeks before I even started trying them again, but I was too scared to commit to any of them. The next session I came back wearing every pad I owned, and once I committed, started pulling them every time.
The mind, triggered by gear nuance, is, well…maddening.
I won’t be riding Conicals again.
Radials might be your new best friend. The side profile is lovely and does make a tiny difference.
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There is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it.
Well done. That is my exact set-up for that deck, and damn, it feels so good (when I stray from my 8.25). Get that Unity.
Anyone skate 149 Thunders or Indies on the white eagle shape? I checked out that board at my local. Shape looks good, felt good under my feet. I just do want to buy 159s to go with it. I prefer to skate the trucks I have until they die.
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There is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it.
Well done. That is my exact set-up for that deck, and damn, it feels so good (when I stray from my 8.25). Get that Unity.
Anyone skate 149 Thunders or Indies on the white eagle shape? I checked out that board at my local. Shape looks good, felt good under my feet. I just do want to buy 159s to go with it. I prefer to skate the trucks I have until they die.
It will definitely work well enough, so no problems there. Others I know do that with all their setups, eg deck size up from trucks.
It works well with big wide wheels too, but any wheel will still skate ok.
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There is an 8.75 Unity with IV concave sitting at the local shop and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I had it with the Eagle graphic, Indy 159 hollow forged and 54mm F4 Conicals and loved it.
Well done. That is my exact set-up for that deck, and damn, it feels so good (when I stray from my 8.25). Get that Unity.
Anyone skate 149 Thunders or Indies on the white eagle shape? I checked out that board at my local. Shape looks good, felt good under my feet. I just do want to buy 159s to go with it. I prefer to skate the trucks I have until they die.
It will definitely work well enough, so no problems there. Others I know do that with all their setups, eg deck size up from trucks.
It works well with big wide wheels too, but any wheel will still skate ok.
Thank you!
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I’ve never really had truck madness until recently. Now, I’m losing my mind over it. Tried venture lows, too low. Tried venture hi’s (forged plates) and it was better. But still felt a little too high off the ground. I liked how snappy they were tho. The only options that I have left that are in between those two in terms of height are: Thunders, mindy and ace lows.
In my late teens through early twenties I was strictly a forged Indy guy. This madness stemmed from me remembering that I liked Indy’s for the most part but wanted something lower. I’m a shrimp. So, feeling lower to the ground feels more natural.
With the V-lights, I felt like I was exerting too much energy to hit the tail down. My legs are short and I’m older. In order to get good pop on higher trucks, I have to have a heavy pop foot. I get so tired so fast. One of the only things I like about venture lo’s was that I didn’t have to use up my energy like that and I could skate longer.
This is mostly just me ranting. But if any short kings out there wanna provide some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.
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I’ve never really had truck madness until recently. Now, I’m losing my mind over it. Tried venture lows, too low. Tried venture hi’s (forged plates) and it was better. But still felt a little too high off the ground. I liked how snappy they were tho. The only options that I have left that are in between those two in terms of height are: Thunders, mindy and ace lows.
In my late teens through early twenties I was strictly a forged Indy guy. This madness stemmed from me remembering that I liked Indy’s for the most part but wanted something lower. I’m a shrimp. So, feeling lower to the ground feels more natural.
With the V-lights, I felt like I was exerting too much energy to hit the tail down. My legs are short and I’m older. In order to get good pop on higher trucks, I have to have a heavy pop foot. I get so tired so fast. One of the only things I like about venture lo’s was that I didn’t have to use up my energy like that and I could skate longer.
This is mostly just me ranting. But if any short kings out there wanna provide some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.
i mean i think you got it covered, i don’t have the answers either.
(i’m older and shorter)
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I’ve never really had truck madness until recently. Now, I’m losing my mind over it. Tried venture lows, too low. Tried venture hi’s (forged plates) and it was better. But still felt a little too high off the ground. I liked how snappy they were tho. The only options that I have left that are in between those two in terms of height are: Thunders, mindy and ace lows.
In my late teens through early twenties I was strictly a forged Indy guy. This madness stemmed from me remembering that I liked Indy’s for the most part but wanted something lower. I’m a shrimp. So, feeling lower to the ground feels more natural.
With the V-lights, I felt like I was exerting too much energy to hit the tail down. My legs are short and I’m older. In order to get good pop on higher trucks, I have to have a heavy pop foot. I get so tired so fast. One of the only things I like about venture lo’s was that I didn’t have to use up my energy like that and I could skate longer.
This is mostly just me ranting. But if any short kings out there wanna provide some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.
You can't make a tall truck lower, but you can make a low truck taller.
I have seen a few people put thin risers on Venture low trucks, which I initially thought was going against what the trucks were designed for, but as one guy clearly said, the Venture low truck is a little too low at 48mm, but the others too tall, so putting something under the low makes it just the right height for him, eg 1/8" riser brings it up to 51mm.
If you do skate any boards that are thin enough to fit Venture low trucks, then this might be an option for you, but also finding the right riser height, eg 1/8 worked fairly well for the other guy, on the Real ply risers they made for Venture trucks, but anything to get the right height shouldn't be too hard to find, without the board looking or feeling weird.
Other than that, finding the right deck to pair with certain trucks can also give a better or worse result, but then push you further down the madness rabbit hole too, depending on the findings / outcomes. More mellow or longer fingers of flat will definitely make a taller truck feel better on the pop, as would a shorter wheelbase with Ventures, compared to Ace or Indy, for which a slightly longer wheelbase usually works better.
That said, people can adapt to almost anything given time, but trying something different or new can often feel very weird or just not seem to work at first.
What boards / wood or shapes or whatever do you skate?
* I am not short, but I have skated with and understand what people prefer from all shapes and sizes, if that helps a bit.
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I’ve never really had truck madness until recently. Now, I’m losing my mind over it. Tried venture lows, too low. Tried venture hi’s (forged plates) and it was better. But still felt a little too high off the ground. I liked how snappy they were tho. The only options that I have left that are in between those two in terms of height are: Thunders, mindy and ace lows.
In my late teens through early twenties I was strictly a forged Indy guy. This madness stemmed from me remembering that I liked Indy’s for the most part but wanted something lower. I’m a shrimp. So, feeling lower to the ground feels more natural.
With the V-lights, I felt like I was exerting too much energy to hit the tail down. My legs are short and I’m older. In order to get good pop on higher trucks, I have to have a heavy pop foot. I get so tired so fast. One of the only things I like about venture lo’s was that I didn’t have to use up my energy like that and I could skate longer.
This is mostly just me ranting. But if any short kings out there wanna provide some insight, I would greatly appreciate it.
You can't make a tall truck lower, but you can make a low truck taller.
I have seen a few people put thin risers on Venture low trucks, which I initially thought was going against what the trucks were designed for, but as one guy clearly said, the Venture low truck is a little too low at 48mm, but the others too tall, so putting something under the low makes it just the right height for him, eg 1/8" riser brings it up to 51mm.
If you do skate any boards that are thin enough to fit Venture low trucks, then this might be an option for you, but also finding the right riser height, eg 1/8 worked fairly well for the other guy, on the Real ply risers they made for Venture trucks, but anything to get the right height shouldn't be too hard to find, without the board looking or feeling weird.
Other than that, finding the right deck to pair with certain trucks can also give a better or worse result, but then push you further down the madness rabbit hole too, depending on the findings / outcomes. More mellow or longer fingers of flat will definitely make a taller truck feel better on the pop, as would a shorter wheelbase with Ventures, compared to Ace or Indy, for which a slightly longer wheelbase usually works better.
That said, people can adapt to almost anything given time, but trying something different or new can often feel very weird or just not seem to work at first.
What boards / wood or shapes or whatever do you skate?
* I am not short, but I have skated with and understand what people prefer from all shapes and sizes, if that helps a bit.
I typically skate 8’s with 14in wheelbases. I would say I like medium concave/medium kicks or mellow concave/medium kicks. 14-14.12 wheelbases are my sweet spot I’d say. However, I had an 8.0 baker years ago. Mellow concave/OG shape with a 14.25 wheelbase on forged Indy’s and that was a pretty good time. Even a couple of friends who rode around on it loved it. But even then I remember feeling like “man I’m too high off the ground this feels uncomfortable on anything other than flat ground”.
Edit: I’ve seen young local kids that are smaller than me ripping on 8.3’s and venture hi’s with 54mm conical fulls so idk what the fuck is me. I guess I just like skating to feel easier, not harder than it needs to be.
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My prime is now, as it was back then, as well. Different applications of "prime" but still, prime.
I've generally stayed consistent with sizing, brands, shapes, etc. so I've felt constant in my efforts to progress.
At 29, I can technically do more/harder tricks on certain obstacles that I could never do in my youthful athletic prime of 19. However, at 19 I had the energy and lighter body frame to probably do the tricks I know now better but didn't quite hone the skill in for them yet.
Nowadays, it's quality over quantity. I do what I can do well. What I can't do well, I don't do as often, but both groups of tricks are generally better than I was doing them 10 years ago
well fuckin good for you fucko
jk. athletic prime for me was 33 ish. i could ollie the highest at that time.
i think it’s rad you’ve stayed skating, and kept gear close enough. i quit for drinking and work, and then the gear….well yeah, i’m obviously a mess there.
Hahah I was more so driving home the point that your "prime" can evolve as you age. Some pros have gotten better even though they were beyond their "prime."
Thanks, though! Had some older skaters set me straight on gear quality/preferences early on so I could curb the madness
Talking about people in their prime, I recall back in 2003 when Mike V came out with his assorted crew for his current brand at the time, a demo at a mostly transition based park and a small but vocal group of locals heckled him as one young local ripper was "showing him up" with most things he was skating and trying, air variations and what not.
Already kind of old for a pro and often taking a while to get some tricks, he was not put off and went through his list of tricks like a man on a mission, but some things were harder than others, that was for sure.
When he got to meet the "wonder kid" after the demo and gave him a board or something, he said something like "I can only hope you still have half of those tricks when you get to my age, cause you sure are ripping now, but give it twenty years and then see how you feel after a hard session" or something like that.
The reason that stuck with me, (besides it being on video I took) was that "wonder kid" had his day in the sun but gave up skating after a while and moved on to other things, which just goes to show, some people will peak and then be done and gone just as quickly as they came, while others will stick with it, maybe well after their prime but still keep skating, whatever the reason.
Sure I am well past it at 48 now, maybe twenty to thirty years past what could have been my prime too, but that doesn't stop me getting out and having a roll and giving it a good go still, even though my body can't take half of what I want to try now, but then other things are all kinds of awesome and I would have never thought to try this or that back then when my skateboarding priorities were different.
Sure I can get bummed sometimes thinking about what I used to be able to do, but I try to think more about what I can still do and what I might be able to try in the future, as well as being stoked for others I skate with who are still on the rise, so from that perspective, I am not so worried about the finer details.
41 here. Skating is a hell of a lot more fun. Everything landed is just a win. No worries about “that wasn’t perfect”, “that didn’t look good”. Whatever. It’s ALL good now. Ha
And, what’s rad is that I’ll be trying to learn things now that I never tried to learn because I wasn’t interested in them back in my early twenties: little tiny curb/ledge switch noseslides, better nollies, fakie back tail (fakie switch frontside noseslide), airs out of quarters, front slashes on quarters, frontside 5050 on transition, no comply 180s…
And I don’t feel embarrassed trying little stupid things because I don’t have an ego to protect anymore. It just feels good to be rolling at all. Very thankful.
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I typically skate 8’s with 14in wheelbases. I would say I like medium concave/medium kicks or mellow concave/medium kicks. 14-14.12 wheelbases are my sweet spot I’d say. However, I had an 8.0 baker years ago. Mellow concave/OG shape with a 14.25 wheelbase on forged Indy’s and that was a pretty good time. Even a couple of friends who rode around on it loved it. But even then I remember feeling like “man I’m too high off the ground this feels uncomfortable on anything other than flat ground”.
Re Baker board - yes, I know the one - have one set up for people to skate like that in the board loan pool right now actually, this one with Thunder 147s on DIY 2mm rubber risers and 52mm wheels, which skates quite well.
If you did still have the Venture low trucks, you could try something / anything as a temp riser, without having to go out and buy specific parts, otherwise as OK said, you seem to have it pretty much covered.
I would always say try / test what you have there first, before going out to buy or ordering a whole lot more stuff you might only skate once or twice and then take off again, but making thin risers from cardboard, or other things is a good (and free) step to testing Venture low trucks, hoping you have 1" bolts, otherwise7/8" might not fit,
Sometimes people get rid of everything but what they have set up, but other times people are sitting on years worth of product they can dig through and find things they can use without having to go buy a whole lot more.
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I typically skate 8’s with 14in wheelbases. I would say I like medium concave/medium kicks or mellow concave/medium kicks. 14-14.12 wheelbases are my sweet spot I’d say. However, I had an 8.0 baker years ago. Mellow concave/OG shape with a 14.25 wheelbase on forged Indy’s and that was a pretty good time. Even a couple of friends who rode around on it loved it. But even then I remember feeling like “man I’m too high off the ground this feels uncomfortable on anything other than flat ground”.
Re Baker board - yes, I know the one - have one set up for people to skate like that in the board loan pool right now actually, this one with Thunder 147s on DIY 2mm rubber risers and 52mm wheels, which skates quite well.
If you did still have the Venture low trucks, you could try something / anything as a temp riser, without having to go out and buy specific parts, otherwise as OK said, you seem to have it pretty much covered.
I would always say try / test what you have there first, before going out to buy or ordering a whole lot more stuff you might only skate once or twice and then take off again, but making thin risers from cardboard, or other things is a good (and free) step to testing Venture low trucks, hoping you have 1" bolts, otherwise7/8" might not fit,
Sometimes people get rid of everything but what they have set up, but other times people are sitting on years worth of product they can dig through and find things they can use without having to go buy a whole lot more.
I like this approach. I might have to give this a shot.
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Lows plus a riser at 51 is only .5mm lower than forged Hi. The WB is slightly tighter, but you're splitting hairs.
I think you need to spend time getting used to it. I didn't see your wheel size, but the forged Hi with 51's is pretty low compared to an Indy with 54's (3.5mm higher trucks plus 1.5mm from the wheels) which is fairly standard for lots of people.
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Lows plus a riser at 51 is only .5mm lower than forged Hi. The WB is slightly tighter, but you're splitting hairs.
I think you need to spend time getting used to it. I didn't see your wheel size, but the forged Hi with 51's is pretty low compared to an Indy with 54's (3.5mm higher trucks plus 1.5mm from the wheels) which is fairly standard for lots of people.
agree, getting used to it and you’ll be stoked.
i’m not an indy guy, i’ve tried, i’ll try again i’m sure. i preferred stage 10s, with a conical bushing.
failing that, forged plate indy’s and the setup you are speaking of, would work well. just start with smaller wheels.
i’ve been struggling with venture hi’s, but enjoy them noticeably more with the forged baseplate.
height of trucks, and pop, is my most important criteria for trucks and setups in general.
best of luck
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Lows plus a riser at 51 is only .5mm lower than forged Hi. The WB is slightly tighter, but you're splitting hairs.
I think you need to spend time getting used to it. I didn't see your wheel size, but the forged Hi with 51's is pretty low compared to an Indy with 54's (3.5mm higher trucks plus 1.5mm from the wheels) which is fairly standard for lots of people.
Whoops I forgot to add wheel size. But I’m on 52mm f4 classics. I think I’m just gonna try to get used to the venture forged hi’s. I like the way they snap on a small wb with a short tail. The extended wheel base is interesting too. I didn’t think I’d have to adjust foot placement but I do.
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Ok so I have had a bit of shoe madness recently. I usually skate converse PL vulcs. I’ve had several pair in a row all size 10.5. Recently I just got another pair and it really feels like they are a half size bigger than all the other pairs that I have had. Could this actually be a thing or is my madness making it up?!
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Ok so I have had a bit of shoe madness recently. I usually skate converse PL vulcs. I’ve had several pair in a row all size 10.5. Recently I just got another pair and it really feels like they are a half size bigger than all the other pairs that I have had. Could this actually be a thing or is my madness making it up?!
Grab a tape measure and find out. It's definitely possible, production is typically not entirely consistent across the life of a shoe so there's going to be some variation inevitably. I've had different pairs of busenitz fit completely differently, but there was like 3 years between purchases.
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Ok so I have had a bit of shoe madness recently. I usually skate converse PL vulcs. I’ve had several pair in a row all size 10.5. Recently I just got another pair and it really feels like they are a half size bigger than all the other pairs that I have had. Could this actually be a thing or is my madness making it up?!
For the most part, shoes in the same style, same colour, even same runs should fit exactly the same.
Some different runs of the same shoes will fit differently, sometimes a larger or smaller sole is fitted to the same upper in shoes I have bought way too many of, so the whole run of that shoe at that time was off (Vans Half Cab Classics) but I have also noted that different runs sometimes have an upgraded shape or other things have changed with them, so who knows what is going on there, but no it is not your madness and yes it does happen.
For some shoes, I add a thin cheap insole, like the ones from department stores, just to get a little more snug fit, which does help, but if a shoe is too long, then some things, flip tricks especially really suffer.
If you are able, go check out the half size down in the same shoe, or compare your new ones in length to the old ones and just see.
There was a run of Vans Sk8 low that I got a few pairs of that I swear they have a full size up from my normal size so they are ridiculously big, compared to all the other Sk8 low shoes I have had in the past. The shoe is definitely longer than my others too.
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What you’re saying is making sense. I bout a couple pairs of the dial tone shag suede PLs and that stash lasted me like 8 months. That color way isn’t available anymore so I went with white suede this time and the run must be off or something because there is definitely some extra room. I buy the same thing over and over again to avoid shoe madness but this is a situation where the same thing isn’t feeling the same. I did hold up my old shoes to my new ones and the new ones are definitely a little bigger.
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Currently riding 5.6 ventures on a 8.38 Gx and setup an old Girl 8.25 on 139 Indy forged hollows so I could always keep a board in my car. Took it out for a short lunch time sesh yesterday. I run loose ventures but had to tighten these a significant amount and my tricks just did not feel as confident as they do on ventures, however I landed my first nollie flip on this setup of old parts and now I'm trying to figure out whether this happened due to the combinations of gear or pure luck
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I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
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I'd recommend going back to what you know and sticking to it. You have to have your trucks dialed in.
I've also gone back and fore between Thunder and Ace for a long time but I think its time to commit. I could get used to either but dancing between the two does not do me many any favors. Since I mostly like skating a variety of weird transitions and curbs with loose trucks and my favorite deck shape has a long 14.75" WB, Ace is it is...
I will keep my ground to axle Thunder 151s on display for sentimental reasons...
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I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
The Limos I've seen aren't that steep. I'd try a lot generic/standard shape and don't drill it. Find a shape that works, which should be easy since Thunders pair well with anything almost.
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I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
The Limos I've seen aren't that steep. I'd try a lot generic/standard shape and don't drill it. Find a shape that works, which should be easy since Thunders pair well with anything almost.
i agree with this advice.
redrilling is the problem, imo. that shit just doesn’t work well.
just to add to the conversation: i’ve tried a lot a lot a lot of different stuff, and will continue to do so. it’s not helpful to my skating, but it is fun to be curious, to an extent. i forget where home is tho.
i do not buy the matching of a wheelbase number, to a truck. the best (only)ace pop, for me, has come from 14” wb’s and big wheels.
i skate ventures and thunders on whatever wb, and the pop, or lack there of, has much more to do with the shape/steepness. imo. in general, i significantly enjoy the leverage with both thunder and venture.
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Random Note from the Land of Madness
About two months ago, while skating mini ramp, I didn’t like the way my front toe-side wheel was “locking in” (e.g. slipping out) on b/s 50-50s. I switched over to Conicals, which had a much better “lock.” Historically, I haven’t liked Conicals for street skating. I decided to give them another, pro-longed, chance. After a bit, I started to get used to them, and even somewhat like them. Def a smoother ride than Classics (bigger contact patch), good lock-in on 50-50s. I didn’t like them as much on feeble/smith grinds, and f/s 5-0s (when truck is angled a bit). They also had a “lesser slappy.” But, I was liking them. So, a bit later I am back on a mini ramp. I started having some trouble with pivot to fakies, and axle stalls to fakie. I bailed a few (slammed one pivot to fake quite hard) because the conicals were locking in just a tad too much during reentry. In 2019 I broke my leg on trick to fakie, and I will never fully get over the fear that created. Sometimes it seems like it’s gone. Sometimes it just comes back with acute vengeance, totally out of the blue. Pivot fakies have always scared me a bit, and with the broken leg context, the “fear to fakie” was suddenly back—I didn’t even want to try them again. I switched back over to my Classics, but it was two weeks before I even started trying them again, but I was too scared to commit to any of them. The next session I came back wearing every pad I owned, and once I committed, started pulling them every time.
The mind, triggered by gear nuance, is, well…maddening.
I won’t be riding Conicals again.
Radials might be your new best friend. The side profile is lovely and does make a tiny difference.
Oh, I have absolutely been toying with them...and they are really growing on me.
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41 here. Skating is a hell of a lot more fun. Everything landed is just a win. No worries about “that wasn’t perfect”, “that didn’t look good”. Whatever. It’s ALL good now. Ha
And, what’s rad is that I’ll be trying to learn things now that I never tried to learn because I wasn’t interested in them back in my early twenties: little tiny curb/ledge switch noseslides, better nollies, fakie back tail (fakie switch frontside noseslide), airs out of quarters, front slashes on quarters, frontside 5050 on transition, no comply 180s…
And I don’t feel embarrassed trying little stupid things because I don’t have an ego to protect anymore. It just feels good to be rolling at all. Very thankful.
This is the way.
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I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
Did you drill in the nose or the tail?
Guessing the nose, but you might have found that drilling in the tail on that sort of board might have actually worked better.
I have done both on different boards, just to see what it was like, sometimes working amazingly well, other times not so much.
If you are pretty much done with it, there would be no harm to try drilling in the tail and putting the front truck back where it was originally and just see how that feels on the Thunder trucks.
You might be surprised.
Any which way, as others had said, it is a big difference, from a very light pop on Ace to a much heavier pop feeling on Thunder (or Venture too) but on different boards, any truck can work a whole lot better - just getting used to it and if you have things you can mess with, no worries of making it unskateable if you are already at that point of it just not working for you, trying a few options might be good to see what really works better than the current situation and issues you have having with it.
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I'd recommend going back to what you know and sticking to it. You have to have your trucks dialed in.
I've also gone back and fore between Thunder and Ace for a long time but I think its time to commit. I could get used to either but dancing between the two does not do me many any favors. Since I mostly like skating a variety of weird transitions and curbs with loose trucks and my favorite deck shape has a long 14.75" WB, Ace is it is...
I will keep my ground to axle Thunder 151s on display for sentimental reasons...
I agree, I was on Aces for the last 4 years or so. Having my trucks the same was my "homebase". As long as I got a board with the wheelbase I like, I was golden. For some reason, I am bummed and wish the Thunders did work. I really did like the things they did better than Ace, just couldn't figure out the pop.
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I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
The Limos I've seen aren't that steep. I'd try a lot generic/standard shape and don't drill it. Find a shape that works, which should be easy since Thunders pair well with anything almost.
This is news to me, maybe I've been going about my madness wrong. But I usually did not like anything greater than 14.38 on Thunders. Any shape to recommend? Seems like Baker is the only one that makes a "mellow" shape.
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I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
The Limos I've seen aren't that steep. I'd try a lot generic/standard shape and don't drill it. Find a shape that works, which should be easy since Thunders pair well with anything almost.
i agree with this advice.
redrilling is the problem, imo. that shit just doesn’t work well.
just to add to the conversation: i’ve tried a lot a lot a lot of different stuff, and will continue to do so. it’s not helpful to my skating, but it is fun to be curious, to an extent. i forget where home is tho.
i do not buy the matching of a wheelbase number, to a truck. the best (only)ace pop, for me, has come from 14” wb’s and big wheels.
i skate ventures and thunders on whatever wb, and the pop, or lack there of, has much more to do with the shape/steepness. imo. in general, i significantly enjoy the leverage with both thunder and venture.
I guess I meant the kicks are steep? I'm not quite sure to be honest. I tried using my level on my iPhone and the nose and tail measured to 19 degrees on the Limo. The quasi twin I was on before had 16/17 degrees on the nose and tail. My good ace pop was on 14.38 and 14.25 on pointy mellow. I just want to get the Thunders to perform as closely to the Aces as possible, in terms of flatground.
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I switched to Thunder from Ace a few months ago. I like how the thunders perform, but the change to wheelbase of my trucks and subsequently the change of wheelbase in my boards is fucking with me. On top of that, the steepness of the kicks is also fucking with me. I'm not sure what my preferences are anymore.
Currently riding a 8.38 Limo, drilled to 14 in WB from 14.25, with Thunder team hollows I've never ghost popped anything more in my entire history of skating. The board has a steep concave with a short tail. The pop feels all fucked up. Coming from Aces where the pop took less energy, I can't really adjust to the delayed pop-slide/flick of the steep kicks and thunders. My popping leg is all weak too from lots of injuries to that side.
Idk what to do. Say fuck it to the limo board and get something smaller? Go back to Ace? Help me fellow mad folks.
Did you drill in the nose or the tail?
Guessing the nose, but you might have found that drilling in the tail on that sort of board might have actually worked better.
I have done both on different boards, just to see what it was like, sometimes working amazingly well, other times not so much.
If you are pretty much done with it, there would be no harm to try drilling in the tail and putting the front truck back where it was originally and just see how that feels on the Thunder trucks.
You might be surprised.
Any which way, as others had said, it is a big difference, from a very light pop on Ace to a much heavier pop feeling on Thunder (or Venture too) but on different boards, any truck can work a whole lot better - just getting used to it and if you have things you can mess with, no worries of making it unskateable if you are already at that point of it just not working for you, trying a few options might be good to see what really works better than the current situation and issues you have having with it.
You are right I did drill in the nose. I might try drilling the tail, but have skated it the correct way and backwards (nose as the tail) and while it did feel better with a longer tail, it still was pretty hard for me to skate it. Literally only flatground though, everything else feels fine. I was on the Thunders for about 2 months and couldn't really figure it out.
So just for clarification, the LIGHT pop on an aces is in terms of the effort and strength needed for the tail to hit the ground? The heavier pop means that it takes more effort and strength but yields more pop. I'm confused on which would pop quicker? Cause the speed and effort are related?
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You are right I did drill in the nose. I might try drilling the tail, but have skated it the correct way and backwards (nose as the tail) and while it did feel better with a longer tail, it still was pretty hard for me to skate it. Literally only flatground though, everything else feels fine. I was on the Thunders for about 2 months and couldn't really figure it out.
So just for clarification, the LIGHT pop on an aces is in terms of the effort and strength needed for the tail to hit the ground? The heavier pop means that it takes more effort and strength but yields more pop. I'm confused on which would pop quicker? Cause the speed and effort are related?
Just cropped everything else out, mainly to just answer the last bit.
So when I had drilled in boards in the past, I had often experimented with a six hole baseplate first, so before drilling anything, I would put the two deck bolts through the last two holes in the truck which meant it brought the baseplate in 3/8" and then I stood on it and rolled around a bit doing a few manuals or ollies.
This really made the tail feel way lighter, in that the point of leverage was sitting in further than it was before, so on Ace the same point of leverage is in more than on Thunder trucks. This is often why some truck will feel "right" for the board and others can cause the point of lift to feel too light or too heavy.
Without getting too deep into that sort of thing, definitely not going to figure out angles or whatever else in terms of math, but just standing on a board and feeling it out, there is a world of difference. Some boards that were just not going to work at all for me in the current position suddenly worked really well after drilling in 3/8" or even smaller amount as it created the feeling of being lighter in the tail.
I think this would be a fun experiment, if nothing more, but as I had said, if the board as it is just doesn't work for you, as well as you drilling in boards in the past, try it on the tail of this board and see if it makes it better, or too light, or see at what point it could work, more so than just giving up on the deck or trucks or trying to find other things that work, without having a play with it, etc.
* That might not have answered your question on the feeling of pop, but trying it and seeing / feeling what it is like to skate it might mean more than words at this point.
I had even just used simple wood screws to put the baseplate in a bit before drilling out the whole board, which also works - not for a full session, but just to see what it feels like to stand on or roll around a bit, then drill out where I put the screws into the board if it feels like it works.
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A Story of Madness…or Enlightenment
(This post could go in this thread, or the DLX shapes thread, but I’m putting it here.)
I have tried the DLX 8.38 a few times before. For several reasons, I was really put off by it. Those reasons included:
- No Man’s Land between 8.25 and 8.5 trucks.
- Longer WB than I normally ride
- Nose/Tail way more “rounded” than I like
- Whether it actually is, tail felt a lot a shorter than my normal ride.
- If I want a bigger / more stable set-up, the DLX 8.75 is my well established jam. The 8.38 seemed like this weird wasteland between series stability (8.75) and agility (my regular 8.25).
Well, I’ve seen enough banter about how “good” the 8.38 was, that I decided to try it, again (against all better judgement).
I got a IV stamp, and set it up with Indy Forged 149s. Initially I had 53mm classics on it, but they just seemed wrong for some reason (These are my standard wheels on my trusty 8.25). So, I decided to try 54mm Radials on it. Now I’ve got a deck, trucks, and wheels that I’ve •all• had questionable history with. I look at this complete set-up, and think, “Dude. WTF are you doing?!?”
I head off to the local park. I’m rolling around just doing some real basic stuff, to get the feeling of it all…and I’m liking it. A lot. My mind start reeling. How? How are you possibly liking this set-up? I tell myself, “Stop thinking. Just skate.”
I’ve been riding that set-up ever since, and having a lot fun with it. Today I even bought III stamp 8.38 for my eventual next deck.
I am shocked by all of this. Skateboarding is so weird.
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The madness is a funny thing because all it takes is one good session on gear you swear mathematically or scientifically does not work for your preferences to go "now, wait a minute, why do I like this?"
When I was younger (about 10-14 years ago now) I swore by the 8.38 size from DLX. Paired with Bones V5 usually on 149 standards or hollows (when they first dropped). It was the perfect size to me. Wider than 8.25 but slimmer than 8.5, yet offered all the positive qualities of both sizes below/above 8.38.
Eventually it was harder to find (temporary drought of that size in my area) so moved to 8.5 and rarely looked back. Nowadays, I run 8.5 consistently.
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The madness is a funny thing because all it takes is one good session on gear you swear mathematically or scientifically does not work for your preferences to go "now, wait a minute, why do I like this?"
I swear I'll never leave the Venture camp and the last time I rode Indy in 2019 I didn't love them. Then I try a friends setup with Indys and I start questioning my conviction so IDK anymore.
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I was the same with the 8.38. I had a Baker 8.38 with 144 Indy cast plates and ti hangers and loved it. I got a III stamp DLX 8.38 and didn't love it and shelved the deck.
A few months later and I had switched to Thunder 148 and had some brand new 53 Classics on it. Had snapped my 8.38 Sci-Fi and had it in the car to leave at the park so I set it up. It was oddly really, really great. Surprisingly good for nose manuals and any fakie trick wheelbase be damned. I rode it for a while until it got super soggy and flat, but it was a great setup that I often think of returning to.
After that deck I went back to the 8.25 DLX and had 3 in a row and they just never felt right. Thunder, Indy, Venture, smaller wheels, big wheels, they just never quite felt like home.
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Has anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?
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Has anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?
you’ll be fine.
some pros and cons imo: hot rodding is more stable, but wheelbites quicker. i like my ollies, when im going faster, on the wider trucks.
the quick wheelbiting, means less turning, but more pinching.
visually i’ve liked the way it looks, but i can be convinced to like the way magic carpet looks too.
i’m riding an extreme hotrod rn, and i really like it, but most often i find that it messes with my flip tricks
its not going to be that noticeable, imo.
i have forged baseplate, solid axle 148s and they are very good.
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Has anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?
Nah they won't stick out much. You can run them in an 8.
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Has anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?
you’ll be fine.
some pros and cons imo: hot rodding is more stable, but wheelbites quicker. i like my ollies, when im going faster, on the wider trucks.
the quick wheelbiting, means less turning, but more pinching.
visually i’ve liked the way it looks, but i can be convinced to like the way magic carpet looks too.
i’m riding an extreme hotrod rn, and i really like it, but most often i find that it messes with my flip tricks
its not going to be that noticeable, imo.
i have forged baseplate, solid axle 148s and they are very good.
That does seem like a good combo. One of the "old 00s pro" street guys I know has that setup, always on DLX proddy so a Real / Krooked 8.06 deck, the forged baseplate on 148s with 50 or 51 mm Classic Spitfire wheels and he makes that thing work like a dream.
To look at his board I cannot see wheel sticking out at all from standing on it, just the axle nuts and it is very stable. He says that combo works better for him, the forged baseplate keeping it low, the 148 hanger being a bit taller so more kingpin clearance than 147s, the fairly small wheels, not too wide, super street tech and ledge / manny / rail tricks for days.
I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
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...Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low...
Dude, they make these things called "riser pads." You should be able to get those Lows and 147 to the exact height you want.
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Has anyone ever had 148’s on an 8inch deck? I’ve only ever been about having the right size truck with my board and sometimes magic carpet life. However, my truck madness had led me down the path of curiosity.
Forged indy 139’s are too tall. Venture lo’s and thunder 147’s are too low. That really only leaves me with forged venture hi’s (which I have right now) or 148’s (cast or forged).
Would the wheels really stick out THAT much?
you’ll be fine.
some pros and cons imo: hot rodding is more stable, but wheelbites quicker. i like my ollies, when im going faster, on the wider trucks.
the quick wheelbiting, means less turning, but more pinching.
visually i’ve liked the way it looks, but i can be convinced to like the way magic carpet looks too.
i’m riding an extreme hotrod rn, and i really like it, but most often i find that it messes with my flip tricks
its not going to be that noticeable, imo.
i have forged baseplate, solid axle 148s and they are very good.
That does seem like a good combo. One of the "old 00s pro" street guys I know has that setup, always on DLX proddy so a Real / Krooked 8.06 deck, the forged baseplate on 148s with 50 or 51 mm Classic Spitfire wheels and he makes that thing work like a dream.
To look at his board I cannot see wheel sticking out at all from standing on it, just the axle nuts and it is very stable. He says that combo works better for him, the forged baseplate keeping it low, the 148 hanger being a bit taller so more kingpin clearance than 147s, the fairly small wheels, not too wide, super street tech and ledge / manny / rail tricks for days.
I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
whenever a poll comes out for hotrod vs magic carpet, i find myself extolling the virtues of the carpet. i shouldn’t be trusted in any matters of gear: im just gonna switch it up later. currently skating an 8.38 on 6.1s and it’s sick. might hate it when this 2 weeks of rain stops and i go out again.
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Quite many homies of mine seem to rock 8.25 decks with Indy 149's and speak highly of the combo. I've always been more of a magic carpet guy. Most often riding 8.25 with either Venture 5.6 or Indy 144s, which both result in tiny bit of carpet. Having said that, would be interesting to try a more of a hot rodded setup.
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Quite many homies of mine seem to rock 8.25 decks with Indy 149's and speak highly of the combo. I've always been more of a magic carpet guy. Most often riding 8.25 with either Venture 5.6 or Indy 144s, which both result in tiny bit of carpet. Having said that, would be interesting to try a more of a hot rodded setup.
I find that I skated the best in this stage of life on 8.25 with 8.5 trucks.
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i dont think i can go sub 32” after getting used to 32.5”
the options are looking bone thin nowadays. no complaints
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I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.
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I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.
Can't wait to try 8 on AF-1 44. Should be fun.
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Been injured for a while and getting close to the okay to skate again. I normally like 8.25/14.25 with ventures. I have attempted to get 8.5/14.5 to work as I know there are benefits for me since i'm 6'3" size 12 shoes, but I haven't had luck. I'm just wondering if it's even remotely possible to make 8.5/14.5 feel as light/flippy as 8.25/14.25 with Indy or Ace (or anything) since they don't push out the wheelbase as much?
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there are a ton of 8.5+ boards with 14.25wb
id go there before that rabbit hole
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Been injured for a while and getting close to the okay to skate again. I normally like 8.25/14.25 with ventures. I have attempted to get 8.5/14.5 to work as I know there are benefits for me since i'm 6'3" size 12 shoes, but I haven't had luck. I'm just wondering if it's even remotely possible to make 8.5/14.5 feel as light/flippy as 8.25/14.25 with Indy or Ace (or anything) since they don't push out the wheelbase as much?
I skate plenty of 8.5 x 14.5 or 14.25 WB decks, usually no longer than 32.3 with Indy. I find some of the 14.25 can be quite nimble. DLX's standard 8.5 molds [there are 2 I believe] may seem to scratch that itch. However, their 8.38 if you can find them may be the better choice. That way, it's between the two sizes but you get benefits of both, plus you can use your 8.25 trucks still and not feel like you need to size up your trucks either! However, if you're looking to buy Indy or Ace, the 8.25 or 8.5 trucks can work on 8.38 or 8.5 as intended.
Krooked and Anti Hero have an 8.38 with either 14.5 or 14.38 WB (need to check specs) and it feels quite nimble to flip, but still sturdy for the taller/bigger folks. Black Label, The Killing Floor, and Element have 8.5 x 14.5 that may not be as light/flippy as the 8.25/14.25 combo, but with Indys they do get you close to that feeling, imo.
5' 10" with 11/11.5 shoes here btw and 8.5s are my go to: I flip my board a lot and usually don't have much trouble unless I am physically having an off day
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Thanks for the replies. I know I can do 8.5/14.25, but I have the same issues as 8.25. I feel much more natural skating 14.5, but I struggle with flip tricks. I don't really think there is any magic truck that could make 14.5 feel like 14.25 with ventures but I guess I was hoping.
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I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.
i've been on that setup (dlx 8.06 on AF1 44) for the past 2 years or so, and haven't looked back since.
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I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.
i've been on that setup (dlx 8.06 on AF1 44) for the past 2 years or so, and haven't looked back since.
From which board size were you coming from?
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I haven't magically made a short board feel longer with Ventures. A few months ago my Thunder bushings shit the bed and I had some V-Lights in my car. In order to skate and not just sit there I threw the V-Lights on a 14.38 WB, which was the longest I had ever skated and what do you know it actually worked awesome. I ended up on the cast V-Hollow, which is still much longer effective WB than my old Thunders or Indys.
I'm now on a Manderson 8.38 with the Ventures, which is shorter than the 8.38/14.38 I was on prior and it feels marginally better than when I rode Indys on 14.25 (The Manderson is a smidgeon shorter WB, but longer kicks).
I would say don't worry about it until it is a problem. My flip tricks feel great, my setup feels stable, and the downsides are pretty damn small. I'd say coming back from injury the stability will be an asset and they won't hold you back. I think the people on here that act like they can't do anything on a specific set of trucks or setup are exaggerating or not willing to spend the time tweaking their form or don't have specific tricks in the first place. I have always sucked at front shuvs and its not the trucks. For a nice boned out kickflip it took about 5 frustrating minutes of different foot positions to figure out what worked and now I love the way they feel.
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I used to run the Indy 144s (8.25 trucks) on the black eagle which was 8.125 with medium sized Classic wheels and it worked really well too, so if you want a little more stability, that combination should be good.
This has been my go-to with Indies. 8.125 with 144s, 8.375 with 149s and maybe at some point 8.5 with 159s.
I like the stability and the extra grind area. Flip tricks need more oomph, though.
i've been on that setup (dlx 8.06 on AF1 44) for the past 2 years or so, and haven't looked back since.
dlx 8.5-31.8-14.25 + indy 159 (had that set-up going from 2015-2020ish) and prior to that dlx 8.25 + indy 149's (2008-2015ish)
graduated to the 8" dlx shape around 2000 so after covid (and moving back to my hometown where flat and few ledges is all we have) i've been loving the 8+44af1 combo
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So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
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So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
Sizing down from 54 to 53 would only lower your height 0.5mm. I doubt you could feel the difference, wheels naturally wear down more than that in their lifespan.
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So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
maybe maybe not. but i doubt youll notice much at all. i bounced around from 50 to 52 to 58 to 56 to 54 to 60 within a year and i felt like the shape/width is what threw me off the most.
Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
yeah but not by much
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So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
It comes down to a few things, but to ask:
How long do your wheels usually last you?
Do you skate them from new down to a certain size every time and then put new ones on or at what point do you swap out wheels usually?
Are you going down to the same shape of wheel, or a different shape too?
For Spitfire, they get thinner as they get smaller, so it will be a little smaller overall going down a bit like that, but more than anything, a smaller tech type of wheel will not last as long as a bigger more chunky wheel, but you can maybe do a bit more on a smaller wheel right from go, compared to a bigger wheel you have to wear down and get used to again, if you do wear your wheels down a lot before swapping them out.
To have the luxury of getting bigger wheels, putting them on one setup for some things then having smaller or more worn down wheels on another setup is something that not everyone can afford or even wants, but this works well enough if you are into that sort of thing.
The other side of it is getting wheels that are pretty much exactly as you want, then swapping them out once they wear down a mm or two, so you always have pretty much the same size everything and it is way less to get used to every time you set up a new board, new wheels or whatever.
That is the usual pro setup sort of thing, but it can be a bit more expensive overall, especially if you go through wheels quite quickly like some people do.
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So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
To add with info not yet shared. I typically buy between 53 and 55mm of Spitfire F4 Conical or Conical Full depending on what the shop has. I have noticed going from 53 to 54/55 (in the same shape) that the wheel felt "heftier" just ever so slightly. Took a little longer to wear in to my sweet spot, but it was noticeable with the 1-2mm difference.
If you size down 1 mm you may notice they're slightly more nimble and not as heavy from the get-go. Or you may not notice anything. Also, any wheelbite you previously had with new wheels may not be as prevalent on the new set. I noticed the inverse when I sized up, so your experience could be similar but in the other direction.
How the wheels perform from the jump: identical in locking in, grinding, feel, etc. for me
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So I'm thining of sizing down my wheels from 54 to 53. I know, it is 1mm. But what did you notice when you sized down in wheels? Does it pop faster being 1mm lower?
I mainly ride curbs and mini, basic flat and grinds.
I ride and 8.25" deck with 53mm Classics. I mostly skate the same things you do. As mentioned, Spitfires get wider/narrower if you are going bigger/smaller with wheel size. I have tried 51mm through 55mm Classics on my 8.25" set-ups. 53mm is absolutely my "golden" zone. I do notice some differences, even going up/down 1mm in wheel size. But, I honestly don't want to tell you what *I* notice about those differences as to not give you preconceived notions about what *you* will experience when trying a different size--better to just suss those things out for yourself. Give them a shot, and then check-back in....and I'll give you the full Madness Rundown of my take on how just 1mm makes things feel different.
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^^why don’t you give us your full madness take on it..just for fun!
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^^why don’t you give us your full madness take on it..just for fun!
I second this. Give me things to read, dammit!
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Ive decided to go from 54 to 53 I will report back 8)
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I prefer 52 so I buy 53 and skate a lot of asphalt and get to enjoy them being around 52 for longer.
Got a pair of 52 Classic Full on Ice, which are basically a worn 54. God tier wheel.
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^^why don’t you give us your full madness take on it..just for fun!
Ive decided to go from 54 to 53 I will report back 8)
Godspeed. I'll be waiting to hear your take.
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Any comments on thunder 148 vs venture 5.6 v-light?
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Thunder: cast baseplates. Good: light, quicker pop, grind well, low Bad: wheel bite.
Venture: forged plates. Good: stability but you can still ride them loose. Flipability, manual lock is super good. Hefty pop. Bad: don’t grind as well, people don’t like how they turn.
I like Ventures more but totally understand why people skate thunders…..both are good trucks….
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I was off madness for a decent time, like a couple years maybe and then it happened. To keep it simple for like 15 years I skated 8" and then stepped up to 8.5 for like 8 years with some 8.25 period in between, all good. The other day I found a GX1000 8" for stupid cheap (€28) and I was like "why not? If anything I'll hook up someone with it".
Put my AF-1 44 on it and boy thing feels amazing. Super light and easy to flip and feels like home. Obviously I have a stack of like 10 boards within 8.375 and 8.5 but tbh is not that bad since when you suck board sizes won't play a factor in here. Also have some AF-1 55 on a Jacuzzi egg 9.125 so I can skate small or big board depending on my mood.
Bottom line anything is just fun and I'm happy/thankful to be able to skate.
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Thunder: cast baseplates. Good: light, quicker pop, grind well, low Bad: wheel bite.
Venture: forged plates. Good: stability but you can still ride them loose. Flipability, manual lock is super good. Hefty pop. Bad: don’t grind as well, people don’t like how they turn.
I like Ventures more but totally understand why people skate thunders…..both are good trucks….
I like both a lot. I actually dislike the Venture manual point and prefer the cast to V Light. You get used to the grind especially if the surface is smooth and/or waxed. I'd say Venture has more of a 1-2 pop like Indy
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af-1 44s on an 8” are nice!
(i still wonder what jacopo’s setup is).
venture vs thunder….cant go wrong, i like em both, two favorites. i’m not sure if this is accurate, but i feel like thunders are not as deck specific for me. i can just put em on whatever and its going to be decent. i could skate thunders and just forget about large swaths of madness.
ventures i always come back to, near and dear to my heart, it was THE brand with the skating i enjoyed watching the most. 5.0 lo’s are rad, and feel great.
currently skating 6.1s on an 8.38, and it’s working way better than it should. it’s a madness induced setup, just throwing stuff at the wall. what is interesting is that i thought this setup would be a short stop, and i am by no means foolish enough to say the madness is gone (it isn’t), but i haven’t thought about putting anything different together
so that’s nice
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af-1 44s on an 8” are nice!
I swear by this setup.
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Someone talk to me about switching from Indy to venture. Plz
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Someone talk to me about switching from Indy to venture. Plz
Do you hate turning and grinding? Venture is the truck for you.
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Do you hate turning and grinding? Venture is the truck for you.
ventures turn and grind good enough, pop is a strong suit. all of the major brands are functional, it’s just finding what is most important for you. for me, pop/leverage. if you are into some hip wiggling, get some ace baby. shake it.
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af-1 44s on an 8” are nice!
I swear by this setup.
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af-1 44s on an 8” are nice!
I swear by this setup.
Just measured mine and the grindable hanger space is only 137mm. They basically are 8" trucks. Which kinda sucks if you've bought them for an 8.25...
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Someone talk to me about switching from Indy to venture. Plz
I've tried all of the major brand trucks. Several times. I always end up back on Indy. I believe one should occasionally test their own assumptions, if only to prove they still hold true. However, once done enough, some assumptions (postulates) can clearly be moved over to the theorem category.
For me, Indys are a simple truth.
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For me, Indys are a simple truth.
The way, the truth, and the life.
Amen.
(though I wish they would put a standard logo etching of some kind back on the outside part of all the trucks, not just specials.)
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I'm already bummed on my wheel selection and it hasn't arrived yet.
I'm worried about the 97a thing. I just got switch speed check slides back.
I'm worrying it's going to be crazy sticky.
I should have just gotten 60mm classics.
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I'm already bummed on my wheel selection and it hasn't arrived yet.
I'm worried about the 97a thing. I just got switch speed check slides back.
I'm worrying it's going to be crazy sticky.
I should have just gotten 60mm classics.
Hey you got new wheels! Noice.
Hey man I feel you…. I bought x99’s and they were just not what I was hoping for and gave them to a friend for an early Christmas present.
You might like them. Don’t worry. Maybe you’ll hate them, trade them or sell them and get a new set.
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Been on BBS 8.125s with Indy 144s, BBS 8.38 with Indy 149s, now decided to give 8.625 with 159s a shot. Not sure what comes out of this.
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Been having some major wheel madness. Went from 60mm classics (spit f4) to 55mm tablets. Hurt my ankle and wanted a lower board for easier pop.
Loving no risers and a lower board but the tablet noticeably slowed my grinds down and fucked up my scoop tricks so after about four months switched to a 54mm radial. It’s perfect but I’m worried I’m gonna burn through em especially with my city’s super rough ground.
Looking at this skate warehouse sale I wanna get a set of backups but I’m troubled on size. Without risers and riding Indy’s about 40% tightened over flushed would (I weigh about 145) a 56mm radial be cutting it close wheelbite wise with no risers? I wish I could find 55mm radial on sale I feel like that would be a perfect wheel.
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Been having some major wheel madness. Went from 60mm classics (spit f4) to 55mm tablets. Hurt my ankle and wanted a lower board for easier pop.
Loving no risers and a lower board but the tablet noticeably slowed my grinds down and fucked up my scoop tricks so after about four months switched to a 54mm radial. It’s perfect but I’m worried I’m gonna burn through em especially with my city’s super rough ground.
Looking at this skate warehouse sale I wanna get a set of backups but I’m troubled on size. Without risers and riding Indy’s about 40% tightened over flushed would (I weigh about 145) a 56mm radial be cutting it close wheelbite wise with no risers? I wish I could find 55mm radial on sale I feel like that would be a perfect wheel.
You'll be fine. I've ridden 56 mm Classics on loose forged Indys with no risers and haven't had a problem with wheelbite.
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Really regret putting rails on my latest set up. Every time I say never again and then I see people do all kinds of fancy things with rails like our boy 144p but I just can't get comfy with the damn things. And now, I don't want to take them off as madness doesn't want the little screw holes unfilled or wasting plastic and $10. Might be a curb only set up, which I find silly also.... Gonna go do lots of board slides and see how quick I can wear them down and move on to a better place.
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Been having some major wheel madness. Went from 60mm classics (spit f4) to 55mm tablets. Hurt my ankle and wanted a lower board for easier pop.
Loving no risers and a lower board but the tablet noticeably slowed my grinds down and fucked up my scoop tricks so after about four months switched to a 54mm radial. It’s perfect but I’m worried I’m gonna burn through em especially with my city’s super rough ground.
Looking at this skate warehouse sale I wanna get a set of backups but I’m troubled on size. Without risers and riding Indy’s about 40% tightened over flushed would (I weigh about 145) a 56mm radial be cutting it close wheelbite wise with no risers? I wish I could find 55mm radial on sale I feel like that would be a perfect wheel.
You'll be fine. I've ridden 56 mm Classics on loose forged Indys with no risers and haven't had a problem with wheelbite.
Yeah I think the 56 mm wheel size is about perfect for me on Indy standards, even with a bit more give in the bushing department.
It is only 0.5 mm height difference from axle to ground / wheelbite too, so you are not going to have a whole lot less between the 56 mm wheels and the 55 mm wheels.
I have both sizes in Classics and Radials and I can easily deal with the 1 mm more, with the 56 mm wheels lasting a little longer from new and will wear down soon enough anyway, if you find something a little more coarse to skate for the first few sessions.
* Been there a bit in the past too, different wheel sizes working well enough, but getting the ideal wheel size right from go is even better, but a slight difference is not going to be that much to deal with, especially if it is a good price right now.
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I'm already bummed on my wheel selection and it hasn't arrived yet.
I'm worried about the 97a thing. I just got switch speed check slides back.
I'm worrying it's going to be crazy sticky.
I should have just gotten 60mm classics.
Hey man I feel you…. I bought x99’s and they were just not what I was hoping for and gave them to a friend for an early Christmas present.
You might like them. Don’t worry. Maybe you’ll hate them, trade them or sell them and get a new set.
Worked out gravy
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Okay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.
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Okay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.
Spray Paint.
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a local powdercoat shop can also powder the baseplates or if you find a gun weirdo that has Cerakote that would work as well.
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Okay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.
Spray Paint.
a local powdercoat shop can also powder the baseplates or if you find a gun weirdo that has Cerakote that would work as well.
I like these very much. Thank you
I will search out a gun weirdo on Craigslist. (Or go get some matte textured spray paint… whichever comes first)
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Well pals, getting them ready for spray paint. (I wasn’t able to find a gun psycho… oh well next time)
(https://i.ibb.co/FJRkntW/IMG-2594.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJRkntW)
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Very exciting.
(https://i.ibb.co/HnsjHpV/IMG-2600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HnsjHpV)
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Well pals, getting them ready for spray paint. (I wasn’t able to find a gun psycho… oh well next time)
(https://i.ibb.co/FJRkntW/IMG-2594.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJRkntW)
Mine are painted, too. :)
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Okay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.
Spray Paint.
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a local powdercoat shop can also powder the baseplates or if you find a gun weirdo that has Cerakote that would work as well.
I like these very much. Thank you
I will search out a gun weirdo on Craigslist. (Or go get some matte textured spray paint… whichever comes first)
I specifically mentioned weirdo because the only people that actually cerakote guns are the ones that want to paint their firearms so they're pretend armed forces. Super common among the AR-15 crowd. But, it's a very durable coating that sticks to tons of surfaces.
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Okay. This feels like really dumb kind of madness, but I guess this is what this support group is for.
I.
HATE. This shiny metal baseplate on my brand new hollow trucks. I want my black baseplate back from my frankenIndy….
But if I put the black baseplate back, I lose that weight reduction of the hollow kingpin.
And if I go back to standard kingpin, I’ll never be able to switch ollie a picnic table.
Spray Paint.
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a local powdercoat shop can also powder the baseplates or if you find a gun weirdo that has Cerakote that would work as well.
I like these very much. Thank you
I will search out a gun weirdo on Craigslist. (Or go get some matte textured spray paint… whichever comes first)
I specifically mentioned weirdo because the only people that actually cerakote guns are the ones that want to paint their firearms so they're pretend armed forces. Super common among the AR-15 crowd. But, it's a very durable coating that sticks to tons of surfaces.
I gotchu. No worries.
Though now I’m getting several hundred emails an hour. I must have mispelled ceratoke or something in the Craigslist community post, because they’re all really excited to meet me.
All I said is that I wanted a good time finding someone who loved guns and could share their ceratoke with me.
Wait… oh no…. I definitely mispelled ceratoke on the post :C
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Not bad :)
I saw a hot pink matte at the store and almost got it. Next time…. Or spray over this black when I’m bored of it. Or white matte with this white board.
(https://i.ibb.co/bd35pD6/IMG-2607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bd35pD6)
(https://i.ibb.co/K2Fr1XM/IMG-2608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K2Fr1XM)
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Not bad :)
I saw a hot pink matte at the store and almost got it. Next time…. Or spray over this black when I’m bored of it. Or white matte with this white board.
(https://i.ibb.co/bd35pD6/IMG-2607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bd35pD6)
(https://i.ibb.co/K2Fr1XM/IMG-2608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K2Fr1XM)
about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
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Stepped on my buddies 8.5 antihero truefit today and I’m not sure how to interpret it. My ollie felt the best it ever has…I could bone it out and pop super high. But it felt so damn short and unstable
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about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do
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about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do
had already started before i saw this post
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)
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about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)
Noice. Is that matte or gloss? Looks gloss.
I got the bug now…. Maybe go back and get the white matte spray now.
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about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)
I got the bug now…. Maybe go back and get the white matte spray now.
behr premium black gloss spray paint and primer
know had all the options in the world
but red and black are my favorite colors
pretty much completes my setup
all i need now are white or red bushings
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about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)
I got the bug now…. Maybe go back and get the white matte spray now.
know had all the options in the world
but red and black are my favorite colors
pretty much completes my setup
all i need now are white or red bushings
Clear Red Venture bushings??? :o ;D
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about to do the same to my red baseplates
black to red fade is like a childhood dream
You could totally get it to do red to black fade with spray painting only from one side :o
Post pics when you do
but will definitely save that for my next set of trucks
still have two cans of spray paint left, matte and gloss
not nearly as interesting but this is the end result:
(https://i.ibb.co/vQW99f8/IMG-2573.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPXCC71)
I got the bug now…. Maybe go back and get the white matte spray now.
know had all the options in the world
but red and black are my favorite colors
pretty much completes my setup
all i need now are white or red bushings
was thinking mini logo red in 100a
or white doh dohs in 98a, whatever i can find locally
im heavy and have strong ankles. 90a is a no go for me
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I done got bored…
(https://i.ibb.co/FJJfYKg/IMG-2863.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJJfYKg)
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Stepped on my buddies 8.5 antihero truefit today and I’m not sure how to interpret it. My ollie felt the best it ever has…I could bone it out and pop super high. But it felt so damn short and unstable
I have the same experience on short boards when I'm moving at slow to moderate speeds but it vanishes when I skate as normal. It's like it's super easy to get up, but so light and nimble it's hard to not overdo things.
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Even though it's winter and my knees hurt, my skating is better than ever. Think it's mostly cause my setup hasn't changed since August. Gonna stick with it in 2024.
I didn't want to get attached to one shape out of fear it'd be discontinued. Don't think that's an issue with Crailtap. But in case, I'll stock up on G053s. It's not the "perfect" shape, but it's good enough.
That might be the trick. Is to make a decision to stick with one shape.
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Stepped on my buddies 8.5 antihero truefit today and I’m not sure how to interpret it. My ollie felt the best it ever has…I could bone it out and pop super high. But it felt so damn short and unstable
I have the same experience on short boards when I'm moving at slow to moderate speeds but it vanishes when I skate as normal. It's like it's super easy to get up, but so light and nimble it's hard to not overdo things.
Glad it’s not just me!! Some people can hop on boards with a drastic difference in wheelbase and can make it work. But I am not one of those skaters. 14.3-14.5 with some Indy’s and that seems to be good. Even 14.25 on Indy’s is pushing it in terms of the board feeling too short.
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Even though it's winter and my knees hurt, my skating is better than ever. Think it's mostly cause my setup hasn't changed since August. Gonna stick with it in 2024.
I didn't want to get attached to one shape out of fear it'd be discontinued. Don't think that's an issue with Crailtap. But in case, I'll stock up on G053s. It's not the "perfect" shape, but it's good enough.
That might be the trick. Is to make a decision to stick with one shape.
To be a consistent skater, consistently use the same gear.
I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is. The "madness problem" is that we like to tinker, we like the idea of possibility, we self-doubt, and some like retail therapy. Those are the Four Fans to the Furnaces of Madness Hell. YES, Smith grinds on my 8.75/159s feel better than on my 8.25/144s, but the 8.25 is unquestionably a better all-around set-up for me. Everyone has their own versions of that/this equation:
(TrickX on Set-UpX) > (TrickX on SetUpY)
So, the real question then becomes, are you actually trying to rid yourself of the Madness? If not, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Skateboarding is supposed to be something you enjoy. if you enjoy the Madness, more power to you. If, on the other hand, you are trying to rid yourself of it...take what you know (your Goldilocks), and your answer is above, "That might be the trick. Is to make a decision to stick with one shape (wheel/truck/etc.).
It's like AA. You have to make a conscious decision to not take a drink. With the Madness, you have to make a conscious decision to not try something new. To be a consistent skater, consistently use the same gear.
And I freely admit, easier said than done.
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I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
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I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
My deepest condolences.
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I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
My deepest condolences.
as maybe the most mad….i have thought, at several
different times, that i knew what my goldilocks setup was.
i don’t know.
at this point i may have broken the route home.
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I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
My deepest condolences.
It's ok to be wrong.
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I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
My deepest condolences.
It's ok to be wrong.
There is no “right”. There is no “wrong”.
There are only learning opportunities and the endless life search for perfection.
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I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
I'll wager that the further you head into madness, the more likely you don't actually know your goldilocks setup. If you did, why would you keep tinkering or buying new things to the point of no longer skating anything remotely close to what's ideal?
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I'll make a bold statement: Anyone/everyone in this thread, who has gone deep enough into the Madness, actually knows exactly what their "Goldilocks" set-up is.
I literally have no idea what my goldielocks setup is...
I'll wager that the further you head into madness, the more likely you don't actually know your goldilocks setup. If you did, why would you keep tinkering or buying new things to the point of no longer skating anything remotely close to what's ideal?
Because is fun.
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There's a lot of reasons why someone might not remember their Goldilocks:
1. They don't actually spend a long period on any setup.
2. Think that this term implies 100% of tricks must feel optimal.
3. Are unrealistic about 2 being possible.
4. We all have bias in our memory recall. People are particularly bad at remembering details even from a few hours back. You might remember something being 100% great when in reality it was only 70%. You try it again and that 30% that isn't perfect seems new and horrible and you wonder how it was so great before and the madness ensues.
5. As you get better and expand your skills you might start having preferences for certain tricks that make certain configurations more or less optimal.
I'm fine with knowing my recent Goldilocks not being perfect. It's just the most well rounded thing I can grab for 90% of my skating and it doesn't actually hold me back. Things that take more effort are things I don't have on lock and likely benefit from focusing on more. Spending more time on it has only helped me actually figure out how to adapt and learn to compensate for things I wasn't immediately 100% at.
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I think a good lesson here, and something that has been said in this thread, is the notion that your Goldilocks might not mean that 100% of your tricks/feeling is there. However, is enough of what you need there to make it work? If you can tinker with a setup to get it like 80% “perfect” then you’re golden. From there…you can really learn or perfect what you’re missing through practice. Something that stirs my madness is the idea that “if I had x set up with y trucks, then my crooks/tre flips/whatever will be better.” While that may be true, if I switch my setup…then a handful of other tricks might be affected.
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My Goldilocks was a Santa Cruz slick, some time in the mid 90s, Venture super lights and 54 or 56mm wheels. I actually tried to find out specs from that era to see why it might have felt better than any other setup I've had before or since but sadly drew a blank.
And a blank is what those trucks and wheels ended up on
(https://i.imgur.com/Q37DdxQ.jpeg)
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There's a lot of reasons why someone might not remember their Goldilocks:
1. They don't actually spend a long period on any setup.
2. Think that this term implies 100% of tricks must feel optimal.
3. Are unrealistic about 2 being possible.
4. We all have bias in our memory recall. People are particularly bad at remembering details even from a few hours back. You might remember something being 100% great when in reality it was only 70%. You try it again and that 30% that isn't perfect seems new and horrible and you wonder how it was so great before and the madness ensues.
5. As you get better and expand your skills you might start having preferences for certain tricks that make certain configurations more or less optimal.
I'm fine with knowing my recent Goldilocks not being perfect. It's just the most well rounded thing I can grab for 90% of my skating and it doesn't actually hold me back. Things that take more effort are things I don't have on lock and likely benefit from focusing on more. Spending more time on it has only helped me actually figure out how to adapt and learn to compensate for things I wasn't immediately 100% at.
Well put, it was Golidlocks or you at that point in your life, 101s things can change in between, especially if your Goldilocks setup was from over 10 years ago and you've grown bigger in every aspect. Grown men skating a 7.5 / 7.75 is the exception, not the norm (all hail Wu-Welsh). Even from just a few years back your technique selection and muscles could have changed substantially especially as you reach your late 30s and 40s.
Fuck around a bit with your gear but don't let it consume your sessions. Adjusting to new gear every session is the killer of fun.
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I think a good lesson here, and something that has been said in this thread, is the notion that your Goldilocks might not mean that 100% of your tricks/feeling is there. However, is enough of what you need there to make it work? If you can tinker with a setup to get it like 80% “perfect” then you’re golden. From there…you can really learn or perfect what you’re missing through practice. Something that stirs my madness is the idea that “if I had x set up with y trucks, then my crooks/tre flips/whatever will be better.” While that may be true, if I switch my setup…then a handful of other tricks might be affected.
This is the reality. Goldilocks does not mean a set-up is perfect for all tricks, in all terrain. It means the set-up you are most comfortable with in the majority of situations.
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
Well mine just activated. Where did you get those wheels and what formula?? :o
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
zumiez (not my fault)
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
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Starting another round of "Ohhh those colours look really nice" when I know I will just ride natural Formula Four wheels and take the graphics off after a day or so...
At least new wheels are a nice feeling, no matter what size or colour they are!
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Just switched from 8.38 twin, 14.33, 51mm to 9.0 egg, 13.88, 57mm. Using the same 8.25 trucks.
Starting the year as mad as possible
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
lol, that’s exactly the only place they turned up for me on an internet search. Dammit ::)
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
search “spitfire multi swirl”
they were stocked by a ton of real skate shops earlier in 2023
any stock left is the last of them
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
they were stocked by a ton of real skate shops earlier in 2023
any stock left is the last of them
Thanks. I really wish Bones didn’t have awful graphics. Spitfire has way better.
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
Yeah Zumiez tends to have LOTS of swirls -https://www.zumiez.com/search/Spitfire%20Formula%20Four%20Multiswirl%20Pink
And usually well after they're gone from regular shops.
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I was happy and with an eased mind since I had things figured out and then it happened... Damn eggs. Got 2 8.375 (which I'm not fond of at all) and a 9.125 which is just ok.
Now I know to only stay in popsicle boards between 8.25 - 8.375 / WB 14 - 14.25 / length 31.7 - 32
Same goes for wheels, only OG classics, Conicals or Conical Full 99.
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
blacklistboardshop.com has some. I found a set of 52's at my local play it again sports.
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Just switched from 8.38 twin, 14.33, 51mm to 9.0 egg, 13.88, 57mm. Using the same 8.25 trucks.
Starting the year as mad as possible
you chose chaos for 2024. Godspeed
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
Thanks yo.
Google shopping turned up one or two other small shops as well.
Play it again! Noice. Must have been like $20?
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im in the end stages of madness
comfortable with my setup and shit, worrying about colors
gonna break in these spits today
(https://i.ibb.co/bLv91w6/IMG-2650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8ds2nN)
formula 4 classics 99a 52mm
Maybe it’s a Zumiez exclusive ;D
Google shopping turned up one or two other small shops as well.
Play it again! Noice. Must have been like $20?
I think they were more or less standard price. Skate-wise it's usually miscellaneous price point stuff but you get lucky sometimes and they always have reds & hardware. I pop in when I'm in the area.
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Madness averted on the wheels. I have brand new x97’s that I love.
Instead I just bought another one of the same deck that I’m skating now, in the same DLX press number. (Thanks sale gear thread. Thank you once again for separating money from my bank account)
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Just switched from 8.38 twin, 14.33, 51mm to 9.0 egg, 13.88, 57mm. Using the same 8.25 trucks.
Starting the year as mad as possible
you chose chaos for 2024. Godspeed
It works. I absolutely love this setup. After a month of struggling and just not feeling right on the 8.38, this 9" setup does exactly what I want. It even flips much easier. Ollies feel right again and give me so much more confidence to jump on rails without missing the lock.
It's like I forgot I could skate. Sometimes it's actually the setup that's the problem, but I don't accept it and struggle for a month on a setup because I can't "waste" a deck. That's what growing up poor does to people I guess.
Now I'm gonna stick with this 9" setup for the life of the deck.
Kiss kiss goodnight
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I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
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I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
Once you go X, it’s what you’ll always expect.
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I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
I have dragons on my cruiser and almost died getting stuck trying to 5050 a quarter pipe. Please tell me this gets better as I break it in because I am not going to wax coping and the wheels work well on other obstacles.
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I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
I got that a couple times at first but not so much anymore. This wheel has changed skating for me more than any other piece of gear ever has its insane
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I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
I got that a couple times at first but not so much anymore. This wheel has changed skating for me more than any other piece of gear ever has its insane
i haven’t given my dragons the time, skated them maybe 5xs.
my opinion is that they are keyframes. i don’t get it. they are cruiser wheels. this other stuff about them being the gift hasn’t matched up with my experiences.
but pushing down the street and ollieing up curbs is sick. truly.
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I started skating dragon wheels and now if I try any of my other set ups I feel like my board doesn't roll at all.
I'm happy that I found the one setup I really enjoy (aces and dragon wheels) but now I have no interest in riding my other setups. I guess I have to get more dragon wheels but these spitfires I have on there are basically brand new so it feels like a waste
I got that a couple times at first but not so much anymore. This wheel has changed skating for me more than any other piece of gear ever has its insane
i haven’t given my dragons the time, skated them maybe 5xs.
my opinion is that they are keyframes. i don’t get it. they are cruiser wheels. this other stuff about them being the gift hasn’t matched up with my experiences.
but pushing down the street and ollieing up curbs is sick. truly.
Dragons slide much better than keyframes, though keyframes eat up crust a bit better.
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I have two main setups rn and they are basically the same I used to have really bad madness trying all sorts of gear to see what I liked best and the conclusion was just to skate what you got in the end if you worry too much it’s just gonna fuck you over but I think it was beneficial to my skating somehow if you’re willing to take that plunge. My point is I still have some gear lying around from when I bought a bunch of stuff to try and I recently switched to 97a conicals on an 8.4 baker to skate an indoor park all winter then I bought and 8.5 baker and it didn’t feel quite right with the conicals something about it being a little less poiny than the 8.4 and my wheels being completely even with the deck made me have to switch back to the 99 radials I had setup before which are rounder wheels for it basically just not to bother me as much when I look down. But I still want to use the 97 conicals for the indoor park so I went back to my 8.4 baker but I also had brand new Thunder 151s lights left over from when I went crazy buying new shit I didn’t need so against my better judgement I currently have two super similar setups both with risers and thunders one with 54mm 99a radials on the 8.5 baker and the other one with 56mm 97a conicals on the 8.4 baker. I’m kinda hyped on baker too rn it’s been a while since I’ve had one and it currently feels the best rn I have no intention on switching anytime soon I’ll probably keep buying baker boards till I rot and die tbh. So long story short I don’t know why I have two setups it kinda just happened but I feel like the small difference between the two is kinda helping me skate in some weird way making me adjust how I do stuff ever so slightly (creating new neurological pathways in my skateboarding brain) Plus it’s kinda nice to spice it up and ride something else when I feel like it without it being too different where I can’t land my usual tricks. If anyone has time to read all this feel free to tell me how delusional I am or kook me as much as you like for the somewhat disgusting behavior of having more than 1 setup cause I’ve always been under the impression it’s kinda crazy to have more than 1 at a time until recently. I’ll probably go back to just 1 eventually but let me cook
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I have two main setups rn and they are basically the same I used to have really bad madness trying all sorts of gear to see what I liked best and the conclusion was just to skate what you got in the end if you worry too much it’s just gonna fuck you over but I think it was beneficial to my skating somehow if you’re willing to take that plunge. My point is I still have some gear lying around from when I bought a bunch of stuff to try and I recently switched to 97a conicals on an 8.4 baker to skate an indoor park all winter then I bought and 8.5 baker and it didn’t feel quite right with the conicals something about it being a little less poiny than the 8.4 and my wheels being completely even with the deck made me have to switch back to the 99 radials I had setup before which are rounder wheels for it basically just not to bother me as much when I look down. But I still want to use the 97 conicals for the indoor park so I went back to my 8.4 baker but I also had brand new Thunder 151s lights left over from when I went crazy buying new shit I didn’t need so against my better judgement I currently have two super similar setups both with risers and thunders one with 54mm 99a radials on the 8.5 baker and the other one with 56mm 97a conicals on the 8.4 baker. I’m kinda hyped on baker too rn it’s been a while since I’ve had one and it currently feels the best rn I have no intention on switching anytime soon I’ll probably keep buying baker boards till I rot and die tbh. So long story short I don’t know why I have two setups it kinda just happened but I feel like the small difference between the two is kinda helping me skate in some weird way making me adjust how I do stuff ever so slightly (creating new neurological pathways in my skateboarding brain) Plus it’s kinda nice to spice it up and ride something else when I feel like it without it being too different where I can’t land my usual tricks. If anyone has time to read all this feel free to tell me how delusional I am or kook me as much as you like for the somewhat disgusting behavior of having more than 1 setup cause I’ve always been under the impression it’s kinda crazy to have more than 1 at a time until recently. I’ll probably go back to just 1 eventually but let me cook
Great advice saying skate what you got. And I probably will eventually. It just sucks when I got all this new gear for a new setup that I don't enjoy/ feel like is making me worse.
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Great advice saying skate what you got. And I probably will eventually. It just sucks when I got all this new gear for a new setup that I don't enjoy/ feel like is making me worse.
It can easily make you feel worse (all the gear) then it reflects in your skating (why doesn't this work?).
I've been bouncing between 8.25/14"wb (too small) and 8.5/14.25"wb (too big), all hovering around 31.8x, having no luck with those dims, I decided to split the difference and found one that is damn close to the median numerically (quite surprised it existed and is regularly available)....first few skates and it's working great.
Using what you have on hand = the way (with the exception of having something that totally doesn't work, e.g., only having 159s and 7.75 decks on hand, then you should go buy something that fits).
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Should change my CF for some V5?
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Should change my CF for some V5?
I did the other direction and realized the V5 was way narrow than the C or CF, which in my head before trying both, I thought V5 and CF were nearly identical in width and feel haha
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Here I am eating my words. I have venture 5.8s on a 8.38 14.25 board with 54mm classics. How is this NOT feeling like the perfect set up?! It’s been about 2 weeks on it
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Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
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Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
this is me, with indys.
sometimes a deck just seems like the one tho. i can’t buy boards online anymore. hate it.
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Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
If you still had those Venture trucks, they would work on that board with the shorter wheelbase, but it is still not Indy on 14.38 wb and I know you know that too.
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Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
If you still had those Venture trucks, they would work on that board with the shorter wheelbase, but it is still not Indy on 14.38 wb and I know you know that too.
I actually still do have them. But I don’t like milk all that much. I really hate Gin, too. Milk and Gin mixed together? No thanks. :)
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Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
If you still had those Venture trucks, they would work on that board with the shorter wheelbase, but it is still not Indy on 14.38 wb and I know you know that too.
I actually still do have them. But I don’t like milk all that much. I really hate Gin, too. Milk and Gin mixed together? No thanks. :)
Well you could set it all up with some wheels you don't like either so it can really be your whole entire hating life type of setup you can have a stand on or even a look at any time you ever think that you would like to try anything other than DLX 8.25 on forged Indy 144s with 53 mm Classic wheels.
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I actually set that up the other day, even the blue bushings and it is a fun setup, so I could see how that would work so well for you, or anyone else who wanted to try it for that matter.
What else is on your usual board?
DLX 8.25 IV stamp deck
Indy forged hollow 144 trucks with blue 92 cylinder bushings
Spitfire Classic 53 mm 99 duro wheels
Bearings?
Grip?
Bolts?
Any other mods or changes to what would be a fairly easy setup to make from all stock parts?
Helping with your madness to make more of my own...
Good fun though seeing what others ride / have as their preferred setup when I have done that before in the past.
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I actually set that up the other day, even the blue bushings and it is a fun setup, so I could see how that would work so well for you, or anyone else who wanted to try it for that matter.
What else is on your usual board?
DLX 8.25 IV stamp deck
Indy forged hollow 144 trucks with blue 92 cylinder bushings
Spitfire Classic 53 mm 99 duro wheels
Bearings?
Grip?
Bolts?
Any other mods or changes to what would be a fairly easy setup to make from all stock parts?
Helping with your madness to make more of my own...
Good fun though seeing what others ride / have as their preferred setup when I have done that before in the past.
Bearings: Super Swiss 6
Grip: Jessup
Bolts: Indy 7/8" Allen
Oh, I usually ride rails, too. Powell Rib Bones. No other mods, though.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
extremely relevant to my interests
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
Damn, dude. That’s a bold move. I’m locked on 53, and the idea of going 54/52 is, well, a Cataclysmic abyss of peril and torment.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
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52mm is the best, you want 53s but 52s are fine, you want 51s and 52s will be that in a good weeks worth of skating.
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52mm is the best, you want 53s but 52s are fine, you want 51s and 52s will be that in a good weeks worth of skating.
oh it’s the best size for me for sure.
if i was in skate heaven, and skated new wheels every week: 50s.
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you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
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The real question is tho... Are you wheels really the size you say they are?
I know my wheels isent 54mm anymore, after a couple of months. More like 51-52mm. Wheels shred atleast 1mm per month, if you skate streets or rougher parks
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you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
There is definitely a place for 56 mm wheels and above, as per quite a few of my usual boards, but I still prefer smaller wheels for a lot of things, small tech stuff that bigger wheels just don't do so well on.
I guess it is down to what you skate or even how you skate, as people with big wheels can still get tech, but I find 56 and up almost impossible to skate curbs and small things, whereas 50 mm wheels work oh so well on those smaller things, lots of slides, wheels not getting in the way the way bigger wheels do, etc.
The real question is tho... Are you wheels really the size you say they are?
I know my wheels isent 54mm anymore, after a couple of months. More like 51-52mm. Wheels shred atleast 1mm per month, if you skate streets or rougher parks
I think more than a few people have measuring calipers on here - I got a bulk deal when I went looking so I passed quite a few round to people I skate with, so there are definitely more people who are very aware of their wheel sizes more in my circle of skate friends.
I prefer 56 mm wheels for my "Go fast" boards, more for transition but also anywhere I am not really thinking about doing much else too. That said, I do have boards with 57, 58, 59 and 60+ but I don't skate them much.
I have 52 - 54 mm wheels on my main setups, often starting at 54 but usually worn down at least to 53 or under, usually Conical Full that have been rounded off.
Then around 50 mm or so, give or take a mm, on my small tech / curb setups or boards that are pretty much done, but they might still be good for small stuff.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? 😅 Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.
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I actually made the forbidden move and bought some x99 54mm to give it a try
From my haze 54mm I find the difference to be massive. I feel like riding 95duro wheels because they are not as loud and create way less vibrations, comfort difference is huge.
For the slide part it does feel the same as my previous 99 even though I find the sliding to be more progressive.
I can’t really feel any difference between decks when it’s the same width as I’m quite new to skating, but those wheels make such a difference, might be my best investment until now ! I’m so curious about x97 for skating rougher spots, commute on the road etc
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I actually made the forbidden move and bought some x99 54mm to give it a try
From my haze 54mm I find the difference to be massive. I feel like riding 95duro wheels because they are not as loud and create way less vibrations, comfort difference is huge.
For the slide part it does feel the same as my previous 99 even though I find the sliding to be more progressive.
I can’t really feel any difference between decks when it’s the same width as I’m quite new to skating, but those wheels make such a difference, might be my best investment until now ! I’m so curious about x97 for skating rougher spots, commute on the road etc
Forbidden?!
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Forbidden because my previous wheels were barely used and I can’t really justify with my level ! Proper gear madness
My back already thank me tho !
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52mm is the best, you want 53s but 52s are fine, you want 51s and 52s will be that in a good weeks worth of skating.
Absolutely! This thought is how I got over the mental block.
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you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
No, I do, I'm missing the wheelbite.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? 😅 Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? 😅 Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.
I put Indy 92 Cylinders as the bottom bushing for the first sesh. Those were okay, but I felt like the turn was a bit limited and I am not sure Cylinder.bushings are the best for Thunders. Then I put the Thunder stock bottoms in but those were way too surfy and loose. I will try the 94 Thunder aftermarket bushings now and try to break them in. I hope they get a bit harder. The wheelie point feels hella wonky and surfy on Thunders to me. But I rode Indy's for a long time with Cylinder bushings and my balance isn't the best due to medical problems. But the Thunder pop felt way better and more controlled as the Indy's before and I had way less ghost pop. I also got the Ace Hard bushings and the Pig 91 Mediums for experimenting.
Thanks for coming to the bushing madness my pals. Back to the stretching now.
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52mm is the best, you want 53s but 52s are fine, you want 51s and 52s will be that in a good weeks worth of skating.
I've tried 52mm more times than I want to admit. How can 1mm really impact anything?* I don't know, but it seems to. They felt too slow, too low, didn't engage with coping well, and seemed to slip out on grinds more. Really? I'm being that much of a princess over 1mm? 1mm? Skateboarding is weird. 53mm is also easier to find in 97a, 99a, 101a (e.g. Spits) than 52mm, so there is that, too. It's nice to have some duro options as surfaces may dictate.
*53mm is my usual.
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you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
56s are the truth. So are 60s.
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you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
56s are the truth. So are 60s.
I feel like you can literally skate anything well (aside from especially rough spots) on 56mm 99a F4 Classics.
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I tried ma indy's in mini ramps, and I kinda liked it. The smoother grind, and the turn makes slashes kinda easier then Thunder... Now I consider just to skate Indy's everywhere...
But my wheels are only 50mm... I kinda want to try bigger wheeels, 53-54mm should be ideal for indoor mini ramps ye?
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I tried ma indy's in mini ramps, and I kinda liked it. The smoother grind, and the turn makes slashes kinda easier then Thunder... Now I consider just to skate Indy's everywhere...
But my wheels are only 50mm... I kinda want to try bigger wheeels, 53-54mm should be ideal for indoor mini ramps ye?
53mm, Indys, Mini Ramp = heaven
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.
I put Indy 92 Cylinders as the bottom bushing for the first sesh. Those were okay, but I felt like the turn was a bit limited and I am not sure Cylinder.bushings are the best for Thunders. Then I put the Thunder stock bottoms in but those were way too surfy and loose. I will try the 94 Thunder aftermarket bushings now and try to break them in. I hope they get a bit harder. The wheelie point feels hella wonky and surfy on Thunders to me. But I rode Indy's for a long time with Cylinder bushings and my balance isn't the best due to medical problems. But the Thunder pop felt way better and more controlled as the Indy's before and I had way less ghost pop. I also got the Ace Hard bushings and the Pig 91 Mediums for experimenting.
Thanks for coming to the bushing madness my pals. Back to the stretching now.
It might work for some, and I've tried it a few times, but a barrel bottom in thunders just ruins the turn/unique thunder characteristics for me, there is a reason why they ship with conicals, ya know?
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No, I do, I'm missing the wheelbite.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.
I put Indy 92 Cylinders as the bottom bushing for the first sesh. Those were okay, but I felt like the turn was a bit limited and I am not sure Cylinder.bushings are the best for Thunders. Then I put the Thunder stock bottoms in but those were way too surfy and loose. I will try the 94 Thunder aftermarket bushings now and try to break them in. I hope they get a bit harder. The wheelie point feels hella wonky and surfy on Thunders to me. But I rode Indy's for a long time with Cylinder bushings and my balance isn't the best due to medical problems. But the Thunder pop felt way better and more controlled as the Indy's before and I had way less ghost pop. I also got the Ace Hard bushings and the Pig 91 Mediums for experimenting.
Thanks for coming to the bushing madness my pals. Back to the stretching now.
It might work for some, and I've tried it a few times, but a barrel bottom in thunders just ruins the turn/unique thunder characteristics for me, there is a reason why they ship with conicals, ya know?
you are correct.
i feel similarly, but to a much, much lesser extent, about conicals in ventures: i might do it every few years or so, increases the turn, lessens the pop, for me.
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you don't know what you are missing not riding 56s
No, I do, I'm missing the wheelbite.
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After years of stressing my wheels HAVE to be 51mm when new, I can now say 52mm is just fine too. Whew…needed to get that off my chest.
I agree with this. I switched to 52 for a while, but now for some reason I am back on 51 and I sometimes have thoughts about 50 lol.
It were 52mm for me, for a long time. Got a set of Spit Conicals in 54mm that I kinda fear to set up. Especially now, that I switched from Indy Forged to Thunder Hollow Lights. But back in the day, I ran 55mm Classics on Thunder 147s.
So everything will be fine. Right? Only gotta figure out the bushing situation for those Thunders.
And now back to the daily stretching program pals.
What's your thunder bushing problem? I'm riding 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top; I'm not sure what the deal is but my bones hards compressed down soooo much compared to the mediums I have that I've ridden a ton...the top is a low top now and the bottom is quickly approaching a regular/slightly taller top height....crazy.
Trying to track down a 95a rebuild kit that isn't overpriced af.
I put Indy 92 Cylinders as the bottom bushing for the first sesh. Those were okay, but I felt like the turn was a bit limited and I am not sure Cylinder.bushings are the best for Thunders. Then I put the Thunder stock bottoms in but those were way too surfy and loose. I will try the 94 Thunder aftermarket bushings now and try to break them in. I hope they get a bit harder. The wheelie point feels hella wonky and surfy on Thunders to me. But I rode Indy's for a long time with Cylinder bushings and my balance isn't the best due to medical problems. But the Thunder pop felt way better and more controlled as the Indy's before and I had way less ghost pop. I also got the Ace Hard bushings and the Pig 91 Mediums for experimenting.
Thanks for coming to the bushing madness my pals. Back to the stretching now.
It might work for some, and I've tried it a few times, but a barrel bottom in thunders just ruins the turn/unique thunder characteristics for me, there is a reason why they ship with conicals, ya know?
you are correct.
i feel similarly, but to a much, much lesser extent, about conicals in ventures: i might do it every few years or so, increases the turn, lessens the pop, for me.
I've done it with bones/indy conicals and losing that pop/stability just takes away from those base characteristics (putting bones in royals does the same thing)
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its still fun to try new boards
but the feel of knowing home base is 100
got every dimension within .25 of an inch
im glad the options are slim in the range i look for (9-9.25)
trucks are set for eternity
bearings and hardware too
the one thing is wheels at this point
x formula should have been my most recent purchase
but soon pals, soon
lets not talk about the thousands spent on the journey tho
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Was at shop. They had a DLX 8.5/14.25. I've had those before. And always hated them (too short and stubby for me). But this one was a IV stamp. And my favorite color top stain. Stood on it, and was feeling nice. So, I bought it. Gripped it at home, and it was looking real, real nice. How had I not liked this deck, several times, before? Switched over trucks/wheels, and was excited to go skate it. Then I stood on it. "Oh, right. You really don't like this thing, and now it's all coming back as to why." Skated it for about 2 hours, and pretty much hated every second. Went home, and took that thing right apart. Why did I even buy this? Did I think it's performance aspects were suddenly going to change...if I tried it again? Oh, right. I know why I bought it; madness. That last few times I had that deck, I gave it away. I think this time I'll keep it around, so a year from now, when I decide to try it again...I won't have to buy another one.
It's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites. I was skating an 8.3 twin habitat which felt pretty good for everything except my ollie. I swear it made me ollie like a damn beginner no matter what foot position I tried. And I even tried giving it time but I just couldn't ollie right on it which is a deal breaker. It just felt way too steep and the kicks didn't have the spoon like concave that usual bbs boards have.
But anyway I set the trusty 8.5/14.25 up and everything worked including ollies. Also I think what made the habitat difficult to ollie is that it was damn near an inch longer than the 8.5.
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Aight so, my homie told me about his madness.
There is a tiny quarter in our local park. I ride Indys and Thunders (both for 8.25 decks) and can lock in on that coping with my trucks. Things like feeble, axle stall, pivot etc. He rides Venture 5.2 and for some reason he can't lock into that coping, he always rolls on top. So he ordered Venture 5.6 and hopes for the best. Yesterday we sat there, two grown men wondering what's up with his trucks and we can't lock in. ^^ His theory is, that the Venture 5.2 hanger is a bit too small for that specific quarter. My theory is, that he has to lean more into the quarter instead of standing on top. Which doesn't make that much sense because I can lock in there fine, no matter which way I lean but I also don't ride Ventures.
Any thoughts from the pals?
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It's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.
With time and experience, you will learn that people don't always like the same things you do. For example, people may not like the same colors, food, and music that you do. I know it's shocking, but life can be full of surprises like that.
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Aight so, my homie told me about his madness.
There is a tiny quarter in our local park. I ride Indys and Thunders (both for 8.25 decks) and can lock in on that coping with my trucks. Things like feeble, axle stall, pivot etc. He rides Venture 5.2 and for some reason he can't lock into that coping, he always rolls on top. So he ordered Venture 5.6 and hopes for the best. Yesterday we sat there, two grown men wondering what's up with his trucks and we can't lock in. ^^ His theory is, that the Venture 5.2 hanger is a bit too small for that specific quarter. My theory is, that he has to lean more into the quarter instead of standing on top. Which doesn't make that much sense because I can lock in there fine, no matter which way I lean but I also don't ride Ventures.
Any thoughts from the pals?
First guess, it's the wheels.
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It's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.
With time and experience, you will learn that people don't always like the same things you do. For example, people may not like the same colors, food, and music that you do. I know it's shocking, but life can be full of surprises like that.
Not really shocking at all. Just thought it was a funny coincidence that you brought up that shape not working for you.
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It's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.
With time and experience, you will learn that people don't always like the same things you do. For example, people may not like the same colors, food, and music that you do. I know it's shocking, but life can be full of surprises like that.
I have this bad habit of occasionally thinking that I should/would like 14.25 (or smaller) wheelbases, and getting something 14.25 to try out. The result have never changed; they simply do not work for me. So, why do I occasionally keep trying them again? Well, there is a reason I’m a regular poster in this thread. :)
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It's funny that you don't like this shape because it's one of my favorites.
With time and experience, you will learn that people don't always like the same things you do. For example, people may not like the same colors, food, and music that you do. I know it's shocking, but life can be full of surprises like that.
I have this bad habit of occasionally thinking that I should/would like 14.25 (or smaller) wheelbases, and getting something 14.25 to try out. The result have never changed; they simply do not work for me. So, why do I occasionally keep trying them again? Well, there is a reason I’m a regular poster in this thread. :)
Lol I know exactly what you mean. We know what we like yet we still try things we know we don't like thinking it will be different this time.
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I think the gear in gear madness gets a bad rap.....
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Aight so, my homie told me about his madness.
There is a tiny quarter in our local park. I ride Indys and Thunders (both for 8.25 decks) and can lock in on that coping with my trucks. Things like feeble, axle stall, pivot etc. He rides Venture 5.2 and for some reason he can't lock into that coping, he always rolls on top. So he ordered Venture 5.6 and hopes for the best. Yesterday we sat there, two grown men wondering what's up with his trucks and we can't lock in. ^^ His theory is, that the Venture 5.2 hanger is a bit too small for that specific quarter. My theory is, that he has to lean more into the quarter instead of standing on top. Which doesn't make that much sense because I can lock in there fine, no matter which way I lean but I also don't ride Ventures.
Any thoughts from the pals?
Have you skated his board and been able to do whatever it is he can't do?
Often that pushes boundaries but I recall one guy who was so pissed at whatever it was he was trying and we all kind of knew he was not doing it right, but it took someone else grabbing his board doing exactly what he was trying and showing him that it was not the board, it was the guy not doing it right.
For some that would be game over, but for others, they might actually see that they need to change things up in the way they skate, more so than blame the board or whatever it is that is not working.
Conversely, has he been able to do the tricks on your board, or any other board? That would be the easiest way to see whether or not it is the human or the skateboard that needs to change.
Just a thought anyway and not a worry if that option is not a good one.
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
i am awful, and i buy boards to see if that helps things. it doesn’t.
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Sometimes when you are skating well and at the top of your game the madness calls also.
"If I'm skating this well with this ______ then surely with _____, Il'be skate even better."
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Madness is a fickle mistress - one day you've found your Goldilocks setup, the next day that same setup is ass and the reason why your kickflips are doo doo
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Sometimes when you are skating well and at the top of your game the madness calls also.
"If I'm skating this well with this ______ then surely with _____, Il'be skate even better."
it is difficult for me to remember a time when i was feeling really good on board, but i do agree with this as well (the skating well, but lusting for the greener grass).
for me the ‘gear madness’, lines up with mental health issues i’ve been diagnosed with, consumerism, limited time to skate, an aging body, etc etc
the last 10 years have been more about experimentation with equipment, than ‘progressing’ with skating.
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Madness can be caused by many things. But, I think it’s a lot like skating itself. You do 50/50 on a curb. Then you want to try it on a bench. Then see if you can go further. Then maybe rail. Etc. Etc. We are constantly trying to tweak and improve things, or try new twists on old tricks. I am under no illusions that switching equipment is going to substantively make me skate better; it won’t (some equipment makes me skate worse, though). However, sometimes toying with equipment just makes things feel better. Sometimes. There is merit in that.
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It's aligned to the very nature of learning a trick - you tweak aspects of your pop / drag / weight distribution / body posture / feet position to get the trick 2nd nature. Some adjustments are fine, but you can skew too hard 1 direction or the other and your game is completely off. Same goes for gear.
Pros are athletically gifted with refined proprioception to make adjustments on the fly to the minute differences in their setup, and the tricks their trying carries significant risk of bodily harm if they bail or slam. In that case the madness is justified.
For regular joes like us it's just a bit of messing around, consumerism and delusional thinking.
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
i am awful, and i buy boards to see if that helps things. it doesn’t.
Me too, broski. I ain’t and never was talented at skating compared to others.
Now I just ride a bigger board and enjoy how it hugs my feet, and whenever I can’t do that fakie back tail I just believe it’s me.
It’s always been me.
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Unpopular opinion but….
Can the madness be attributed to being awful at skateboarding for X# of years and blaming it on your setup components? Just skate what you have.
Sometimes when you are skating well and at the top of your game the madness calls also.
"If I'm skating this well with this ______ then surely with _____, Il'be skate even better."
it is difficult for me to remember a time when i was feeling really good on board, but i do agree with this as well (the skating well, but lusting for the greener grass).
for me the ‘gear madness’, lines up with mental health issues i’ve been diagnosed with, consumerism, limited time to skate, an aging body, etc etc
the last 10 years have been more about experimentation with equipment, than ‘progressing’ with skating.
I think maybe the madness is the extra spending money we have as we’re older (hopefully more, apologies if not), and the madness is a way to still be involved with skating at a high level when we can’t do it at as high a level trick or physcially wise.
Since our bodies don’t cooperate, we seek out what we can control: the setup.
This is for old people, though. If you young people, then it could just be you like to Tinker with things, and tinkering gives your mechanically/engineering slanted mind something fun to do ;D
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I'm old, and my madness is probably mostly about finding a setup that gives me the feeling of having to put the least amount of physical effort for pop in my personal universe that suffers from ever-increasing pop enthropy.
Combining that with the fact that I still want to ride bigger transition and go as fast as possible as comfortably as possible – and do that on the same setup – doesn't make the madness much easier.
I'm glad I've all but quit snowboarding so I can have more money to spend on this madness.
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I think maybe the madness is the extra spending money we have as we’re older (hopefully more, apologies if not)
For sure that is a factor. I remember having to sell other belongings, to be able to afford a new deck. Basically any change I had went into funds for decks and shoes. I'd sometimes panic about not having the readies for a new board but it always worked out.
Then, I wouldn't surrender a deck until it was in two pieces. I still have a hang up about using equipment until the bitter end but I am a lot better at passing stuff on until its completely dead. A good reminder that its nearly spring. Think I'll pass some shit on soon and crack into my pile.
In other areas of my life I am not materialistic at all but skateboards... damn I love them...
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this thread could contain most of the posts i’ve made. it is appreciated.
i have never settled on a setup, or even a size. the closest i’ve come to getting a baseline, was when i tried to only ride setups with 8” trucks, and that didn’t last.
for me, there is a lot of crossover, in some of the thoughtful feedback some of the regulars have made in the ‘old dudes post up here’ thread, and then gear madness, for me. some similar themes of chasing past ghosts of glory.
even during my youth (i started skating again, around 16 ish), i liked to switch things up. i believe i’ve
mentioned before that im not sure if i ever bought the same truck brand, twice in a row. 30 years later im still on my bullshit. i did have a period of time where i identified, culturally, as a 7.5er, but even then i was obsessing about riding something even smaller, an andy stone found in the back of a bin in an ‘above the belt’ (pre-zumiez zumiez) that went more like 7.25, or wanting the menace ams smith/nunez deck (i remember it was short, maybe less than 31”). anyways, what im trying to say, is i don’t remember ever feeling like ‘yup this is it, i skate thunders now. forever’.
the excitement of trying something new, even if what i have is working, is a problem that has manifested in some troubling times, not only in skating (kinda difficult to be a rad partner when your head is always turning, jobs, vehicles, bikes).
having an erratic personality, and struggling with some issues, has created this rhythm in my life, where i skate, stop for a bit, and comeback to it. it used to be how i learned new tricks: not skate for awhile, comeback to it, set something different up, boom nollie heels, or whatever. now that does not work. ha.
i can recognize the patterns of having external pressures (aging, family dramas, financial worries, etc etc) and my spiraling into more madness. also if im skating less. knowing that, doesn’t make it any less true in the moment, unfortunately.
i am also HIGHLY influenced. if wade drops a part i want a wade complete. if i read on here that nick matthews skates 5.2 lo’s im screenshotting ig and zooming in trying to see what deck he’s on.
all of it creates too many moving targets to feel totally comfortable and settled.
and that is ok. i’ve tried to have some kindness for myself, knowing that on some days i might be on here talking about how i’ve loved indy 159s, and also have a deep connection to venture 5.0 lo’s.
i’ve typed a lot and said little.
i do very much enjoy reading others thoughts about gear tho. it seemed to hit a peak 2020-22 ish, with a few ig accounts showing pro setups and that. it is interesting for me to read the ideas and experiences of folks on gear.
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Aight so, my homie told me about his madness.
There is a tiny quarter in our local park. I ride Indys and Thunders (both for 8.25 decks) and can lock in on that coping with my trucks. Things like feeble, axle stall, pivot etc. He rides Venture 5.2 and for some reason he can't lock into that coping, he always rolls on top. So he ordered Venture 5.6 and hopes for the best. Yesterday we sat there, two grown men wondering what's up with his trucks and we can't lock in. ^^ His theory is, that the Venture 5.2 hanger is a bit too small for that specific quarter. My theory is, that he has to lean more into the quarter instead of standing on top. Which doesn't make that much sense because I can lock in there fine, no matter which way I lean but I also don't ride Ventures.
Any thoughts from the pals?
Have you skated his board and been able to do whatever it is he can't do?
Often that pushes boundaries but I recall one guy who was so pissed at whatever it was he was trying and we all kind of knew he was not doing it right, but it took someone else grabbing his board doing exactly what he was trying and showing him that it was not the board, it was the guy not doing it right.
For some that would be game over, but for others, they might actually see that they need to change things up in the way they skate, more so than blame the board or whatever it is that is not working.
Conversely, has he been able to do the tricks on your board, or any other board? That would be the easiest way to see whether or not it is the human or the skateboard that needs to change.
Just a thought anyway and not a worry if that option is not a good one.
Woah. That is great advice. I haven't thought about that and now I feel dumb. ^^ We will try that next session. Thanks Brimmo.
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I feel pretty content in my setup(s).
Having a separate board for pushing around town/spot exploration and using that for all decks outside of my normal setup has quelled any need for fucking around with my main. I don't really care about this board, so any and all unwanted (for main) decks end up here to be thrashed and razor tailed. In Western Colorado the roads are literally grooved from studded tires and chains. This frees me to destroy my secondary board with no remorse.
Then main board is 8.125 PS Stix, 5.2 Ventures, 52mm round wheels.
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sw colorado is one of the prettiest places i’ve been
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I have some Ace 60 hollows with ti wheel and kingpin knuts,(total weigh 5.6 pounds.) the other day I went to my local skate shop and decided to try one of their boards in the bowl. The trucks (thunder)were heavier and I felt like I had control over where the hanger/trucks were whereas my other board i can’t even try and get into a axle stall because I’ll flat like 2 feet past the coping. Im thinking about getting non hollow ace 60s but even then im not sure if it would feel the same cause the aces are at least a 1/8 in ward but I take off the bottom washer for more turn so make that like 1/4. Any advice, should I just keep skating light or try and get a little heavy? Or even god forbid put on the bottom washer.
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I seem to suffer from constant overall setup madness (COSM). I currently keep switching between two fairly different setups:
- DLX 8.25 (8.38 in reality) x 14.38 wb with Indy 144 Tits
and
- DLX True Fit 8.25 x 13.88 wb x 31.5 length with Venture 5.6 V-Lights
On some days the bigger deck and wb feel perfect and solid. Then all of a sudden on some days it feels like a fucking boat and I can't seem to friggin' ollie it off the ground. Then I switch to the smaller deck and feel light and springy for a bit, especially on flat/curbs/etc.. And then I hit transitions and start to miss the longer deck and wb.
Deck size aside, I can't seem to figure out if Indys or Ventures are better for me. Some days the Indys feel great but then all of a sudden they feel soggy and I lose my pop. Ventures feel solid but some sessions feel off with regards to grinds and turns especially on tranny.
Is there a possible middle ground or should I just stop whining and just resort to riding two different setups depending on the spot/obstacles? Is the dream of an all-encompassing overall setup just a pipe dream?
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Is the dream of an all-encompassing overall setup just a pipe dream?
I really like Thai yellow curry with chicken. I also really like Indian Chicken Korma. In the grand scheme, one is not better than the other. At certain times, however, when the mood strikes, one is certainly better than other in that moment. If someone told me to "pick one," I would laugh at them, for it is an impossible delineation. I would also hate to be delegated to only having just one for the rest of my life.
When I realized this also applies to skateboards, my madness did not go away, but I was much more a peace with it. Some days I just really want Yellow Curry, I mean, my 8.75" set-up. Some days it's Pho, or Indian, or my 8.25". Variety is not something I want to banish, but rather, embrace. Imagine asking, "Is the dream of an all-encompassing overall food dish just a pipe dream?"
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Yeah, that was more of a rhetorical rant than a dead serious question. Through gear madness and learning about oneself via performing the art of skating, one can at least narrow down the options somewhat. Unless one enjoys having several setups, which is all good as well.
Regarding the food analogy -- I don't skate 2-3 times everyday, plus with food I of course want a significantly larger amount of variation between dishes. Point being that with food -- unless you're travelling to Mars -- you don't want to optimize your "setup" to cover all bases. That'd be just plain boring. With skating, there are a lot of people, myself included, who aim towards a minimal number of different variables. More or less unsuccessfully, of course, but that's where the joy of yelling at clouds waltzes through the door.
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Been going through some classic truck madness. I want the absolute best setup for 50-50 on circle rails. What would y’all suggest. I keep coming back to ventures specifically 6.1(but I don’t like the turn(which is probably why it locks so good)) I’m also using 99a 56 conical fulls. Any suggestions on a great lock-in truck and wheel combo? I’m learning how to cross lock
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Yeah, that was more of a rhetorical rant than a dead serious question. Through gear madness and learning about oneself via performing the art of skating, one can at least narrow down the options somewhat. Unless one enjoys having several setups, which is all good as well.
Regarding the food analogy -- I don't skate 2-3 times everyday, plus with food I of course want a significantly larger amount of variation between dishes. Point being that with food -- unless you're travelling to Mars -- you don't want to optimize your "setup" to cover all bases. That'd be just plain boring. With skating, there are a lot of people, myself included, who aim towards a minimal number of different variables. More or less unsuccessfully, of course, but that's where the joy of yelling at clouds waltzes through the door.
No, I get you. I strived for a long time for the single, all-purpose set-up (I actually have that, my 8.25). Simplicity is a nice thing. At least for me, the goal/desire for simplicity actually fostered more ambiguity and, well, madness. The "simple" answer for me was actually quite simple: It's OK to like more than one skateboard (product), despite how much I was fighting that on some weird existential level (and still do at times). The best part? The clouds don't go away when I feel like yelling at something. :)
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Been going through some classic truck madness. I want the absolute best setup for 50-50 on circle rails. What would y’all suggest. I keep coming back to ventures specifically 6.1(but I don’t like the turn(which is probably why it locks so good)) I’m also using 99a 56 conical fulls. Any suggestions on a great lock-in truck and wheel combo? I’m learning how to cross lock
thunder 151s, i liked the ones with the forged plate best.
56 is pushing it, you’ll get wheelbite. but the big conical fulls will help.
venture and thunder locked in better for me, than ace or indy.
dont listen to me, i’ve never felt confident with a cross-locked 5050 on round bars. round bars scare me.
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@rikki
On some days the bigger deck and wb feel perfect and solid. Then all of a sudden on some days it feels like a fucking boat and I can't seem to friggin' ollie it off the ground. Then I switch to the smaller deck and feel light and springy for a bit, especially on flat/curbs/etc.. And then I hit transitions and start to miss the longer deck and wb.
Deck size aside, I can't seem to figure out if Indys or Ventures are better for me. Some days the Indys feel great but then all of a sudden they feel soggy and I lose my pop. Ventures feel solid but some sessions feel off with regards to grinds and turns especially on tranny.
Is there a possible middle ground or should I just stop whining and just resort to riding two different setups depending on the spot/obstacles? Is the dream of an all-encompassing overall setup just a pipe dream?
Twinsies.
Sounds like you skate a lot of tranny, I would just pick a board for that purpose only (I always have); indys/slappy/aces, 8.5"+, 14.4+wb and 54mm wheels and call it a day.
8.5 and 149 indys feels great most of the time, but like you said other days it might as well be a tugboat. 8.25s and ventures feel great, then suddenly wtf, next day it feels too small.
This is why I've been trying to find that happy medium: 8.3s with average/14.25 WB...I just can't find one that works...ones with good shapes (FA, Primitive all have small wb...and most others are 14.3 and up and usually start getting too long). I'm trying to make an 8.3 hockey with a 14.125 wb work but feel the deck might be too short overall.
This is why I can't have nice things :P
This is also why I keep bouncing back to royals, they grind, turn, great height, pop, they work for everything (see above on a tranny board tho).
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Hey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.
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Hey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.
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Hey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.
Or you getting old and lazy and not bending those knees enough??
Had that happen a whole lot and had to reconfigure myself, not my setup to make sure I got down low enough to get the board off the ground enough, etc.
Not that it is a be all and end all, but I think that could be more relevant than changing up a board that used to work well but now feels different, or you are having issues with.
I got a more mellow board to accommodate my lazy ass, which works well and I prefer it, even though I can't get as high off the ground anymore, but I never was going to ollie over tennis court nets like some people I know, so I am ok with that.
Bending, stretching, squats, etc have really helped.
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Hey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.
Or you getting old and lazy and not bending those knees enough??
I got a more mellow board to accommodate my lazy ass, which works well and I prefer it, even though I can't get as high off the ground anymore, but I never was going to ollie over tennis court nets like some people I know, so I am ok with that.
Bending, stretching, squats, etc have really helped.
I was riding a mellow flat toy machine twin with indys and x99s it was boaty, and heavy, and it made me lazy as hell, I just shifted how I skated; fun for kicking back and slappies tho.
Steep deck, non-indy-style trucks and harder wheels and I get on point, because I have too.
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Thanks for the replies and support pals, appreciate your input and the general feeling of politeness, respect and sense of humour here on this board. Yeah, the clouds won't go away if I yell at them. Man, it'd be scary if that happened all of a sudden.
I think it's been inevitable and I've known it all along subconsciously -- probably gonna try to embrace two main setups, one for street/ledges/better pop and the other one for more transition-based skating. Just have to swallow my pride to acknowledge that with the tranny setup I won't be able to do everything that I can do on the lighter setup. I'm not 26 years old with kangaroo pop anymore (as if I ever had the latter).
What's more actually, I think it's easier for an old fart to push their "tech" setup to cover more bases on bigger trannies than vice versa. Yesterday I dropped into my local bowl with my DLX True Fit and had great old time. Just gotta observe the young rippers, they rip trannies on matchsticks and go back to hardflip nose grinds on ledges in 30 seconds.
I fucking love skateboarding to no end and all this madness is really a kind of an enjoyable version of the Stockholm syndrome, if you will.
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I fucking love skateboarding to no end and all this madness is really a kind of an enjoyable version of the Stockholm syndrome, if you will.
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Hey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.
Or you getting old and lazy and not bending those knees enough??
Had that happen a whole lot and had to reconfigure myself, not my setup to make sure I got down low enough to get the board off the ground enough, etc.
Not that it is a be all and end all, but I think that could be more relevant than changing up a board that used to work well but now feels different, or you are having issues with.
I got a more mellow board to accommodate my lazy ass, which works well and I prefer it, even though I can't get as high off the ground anymore, but I never was going to ollie over tennis court nets like some people I know, so I am ok with that.
Bending, stretching, squats, etc have really helped.
I'm just a 22 yo individual. I think, or at least hope, I'm not classified as 'old.' But yeah, sometimes I get feelings that I'm too lazy to pop. Especially on 360 flips, I've started noticing that there's too much space between my tail and the ground, and I feel like I need to scoop/pop more. It feels uncomfortable and unstable.
I'll try ventures with forged baseplates and go up to 8.1 deck, to eliminate unstable factor; maybe that will fix the issue. Thanks.
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Hey,
I usually skate with an 8" 14wb deck, 52mm wheels, and loose Venture 5.2 HI standards. Recently, I've been experiencing what feels like ghost pop, and I'm considering making changes to my setup. I'm unsure if switching to Venture lows would help since I prefer loose trucks. Ventures hollow 52mm seems to fix this, but idk to be honest, if anyone else is skating with a similar setup or has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it.
did the deck change? venture lo’s are great, but 52 mm wheels are difficult: wheelbite easily and aren’t large enough to roll over harsh surfaces. they remain my favorite trucks, because i can lazily pop an ollie.
venture hi’s with the forged baseplate might be your thing.
Or you getting old and lazy and not bending those knees enough??
Had that happen a whole lot and had to reconfigure myself, not my setup to make sure I got down low enough to get the board off the ground enough, etc.
Not that it is a be all and end all, but I think that could be more relevant than changing up a board that used to work well but now feels different, or you are having issues with.
I got a more mellow board to accommodate my lazy ass, which works well and I prefer it, even though I can't get as high off the ground anymore, but I never was going to ollie over tennis court nets like some people I know, so I am ok with that.
Bending, stretching, squats, etc have really helped.
I'm just a 22 yo individual. I think, or at least hope, I'm not classified as 'old.' But yeah, sometimes I get feelings that I'm too lazy to pop. Especially on 360 flips, I've started noticing that there's too much space between my tail and the ground, and I feel like I need to scoop/pop more. It feels uncomfortable and unstable.
I'll try ventures with forged baseplates and go up to 8.1 deck, to eliminate unstable factor; maybe that will fix the issue. Thanks.
possibly try tightening your trucks. tighter trucks give
me better pop
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Feel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
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Feel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.
I don't think I was ever as deep as a lot of people here, but there was a time a few years ago when I got a new job and was making more money than ever, and skate shit was cheaper than it was in the 90s, and I got a little crazy buying and trying new stuff. Last year, I resolved to buy only the basics, on an as-needed basis. I broke the rule twice and both times ended up with shoes that didn't fit, so I learned my lesson. This year I haven't bought a single thing (except for a $15 complete at the thrift store) and I can't imagine that'll change. Definitely the fire is out and I am fully in "run what you brung" mode.
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Feel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.
I don't think I was ever as deep as a lot of people here, but there was a time a few years ago when I got a new job and was making money than ever, and skate shit was cheaper than it was in the 90s, and I got a little crazy buying and trying new stuff. Last year, I resolved to buy only the basics, on an as-needed basis. I broke the rule twice and both times ended up with shoes that didn't fit, so I learned my lesson. This year I haven't bought a single thing (except for a $15 complete at the thrift store) and I can't imagine that'll change. Definitely the fire is out and I am fully in "run what you brung" mode.
Yeah that's what got me. I had tons of money to blow and no hobbies. Compared to gaming, skateboarding is cheap and I found myself just buying shit. I've slipped up this year with shoes, and now I have some Wair Max I'll never skate. My setup is decided though.
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Feel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.
I don't think I was ever as deep as a lot of people here, but there was a time a few years ago when I got a new job and was making money than ever, and skate shit was cheaper than it was in the 90s, and I got a little crazy buying and trying new stuff. Last year, I resolved to buy only the basics, on an as-needed basis. I broke the rule twice and both times ended up with shoes that didn't fit, so I learned my lesson. This year I haven't bought a single thing (except for a $15 complete at the thrift store) and I can't imagine that'll change. Definitely the fire is out and I am fully in "run what you brung" mode.
Same, and hilariously, my setup is not much different from what I had when I started accumulating.
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Feel like I'm fully cured now. Cause YouTube keeps recommending me gear madness stuff and I find it cringe now. Like I feel bad for the skaters driving themselves crazy switching out trucks every few weeks.
I don't think I was ever as deep as a lot of people here, but there was a time a few years ago when I got a new job and was making money than ever, and skate shit was cheaper than it was in the 90s, and I got a little crazy buying and trying new stuff. Last year, I resolved to buy only the basics, on an as-needed basis. I broke the rule twice and both times ended up with shoes that didn't fit, so I learned my lesson. This year I haven't bought a single thing (except for a $15 complete at the thrift store) and I can't imagine that'll change. Definitely the fire is out and I am fully in "run what you brung" mode.
I stopped skating for a little over a year and when I got back into it I had some madness mixed with curiosity about gear I hadn't skated before. My other hobby is photography which is way more expensive than skateboarding so I ran into the same problem of just buying anything and everything. It's easy not to impulse buy an $800 lens but $40-50 for a set of trucks or wheels is so hard to say no to.
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i used to drink. a lot.
paying $50 for a set of trucks feels like nothing in comparison to going out and spending it all.
it’s not so much the money, but the confusion of not knowing what to ride, out of the tangle of parts, that’s the worst.
i am so far from the dock, barely treading water.
skated a G053, thunder 149s, AND 55 DRAGONS. worked better than anything else i’ve tried recently, but was heavy as hell, and i am still so skating so badly i can’t justify spending another dollar on it.
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Lately my madness has been wheels.
Dial Tones conical 53
Came back to my CF 53
Changed to lock in full 54
Went to X99 V5
Came back to CF 53
Want classics 53 badly.
All of this in less than 2 months.
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X99 54mm's have cured my wheel madness as of late.
Still doesn't keep me from repeatedly buying new sets of various kinds of wheels.
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I can't recall who on here said it but I'll paraphrase - do you have gear madness or do you just enjoy shopping?
I definitely stocked up on too many decks on a whim of a shape (Clutch O, twins, decks with inserts) and only stopped when I decided to stick to twins. Madness is only worth it if you actively test the setups you buy to figure out your deck / truck / wheel preferences, and have a honest assessment of your skill ceiling ("I always struggled with 360 flips and x piece of gear isn't going to change that").
Skate madness is definitely cheaper than car / bike / guitar / camera madness by a mile, but staring at stacks of unskated gear is stressful and reminds me of money that could have been better spent elsewhere.
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I can't recall who on here said it but I'll paraphrase - do you have gear madness or do you just enjoy shopping?
Both? But it's not about the purchase persay, it's about the purchase working out (madness).
My madness is how I want the board to feel - the greater sum of it's parts - I want it to feel like the extension it should be, if something is off, everything is off.
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
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Oh it’s certainly a shopping addiction too. All my spare decks used to bother me, but they’re just wood and if you store them properly they’ll last for years. Just set up a Tactics deck I grabbed in 2022 and it’s fine. Not as good as my g053s, but I wanted to get rid of it.
Now I worry about shoes cause I’ve seen some fall apart online. But I hope that takes YEARS, like over three at least. One sucky thing about wearing size 14 is I basically have no one to give them too. May have to find some tall Slap members to dump them on one day lol
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Oh it’s certainly a shopping addiction too. All my spare decks used to bother me, but they’re just wood and if you store them properly they’ll last for years. Just set up a Tactics deck I grabbed in 2022 and it’s fine. Not as good as my g053s, but I wanted to get rid of it.
Now I worry about shoes cause I’ve seen some fall apart online. But I hope that takes YEARS, like over three at least. One sucky thing about wearing size 14 is I basically have no one to give them too. May have to find some tall Slap members to dump them on one day lol
If you're in the US shoes will last a long time, got a few pairs of NB 868 from a Pal on here which have to be at least 5-6 years old and they're holding up just fine (knock on wood). But they heat and humidity of the tropics wrecks the glue and foam on shoes.
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
And then probably it will happen the same that's happening to me: you'll want classics
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
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Oh it’s certainly a shopping addiction too. All my spare decks used to bother me, but they’re just wood and if you store them properly they’ll last for years. Just set up a Tactics deck I grabbed in 2022 and it’s fine. Not as good as my g053s, but I wanted to get rid of it.
Now I worry about shoes cause I’ve seen some fall apart online. But I hope that takes YEARS, like over three at least. One sucky thing about wearing size 14 is I basically have no one to give them too. May have to find some tall Slap members to dump them on one day lol
If you're in the US shoes will last a long time, got a few pairs of NB 868 from a Pal on here which have to be at least 5-6 years old and they're holding up just fine (knock on wood). But they heat and humidity of the tropics wrecks the glue and foam on shoes.
That’s good to hear. I’m in the US and keep my shoes in a chill/dark closet.
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
Yeah I love my dragons but they really stick on slides.
For my knees I don't want to go back to 99 f4
So I was thinking of picking up some X97s tomorrow. Do they slide better than the dragons ?
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i have only skated the x97s on asphalt for flatground and they were very enjoyable. dont know how they slide downhill tho. tbf dragons are also enjoyable in this semi rough parking lot
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
Really interested in your experience downhill with x97’s.
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and the only real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the Foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
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Oh it’s certainly a shopping addiction too. All my spare decks used to bother me, but they’re just wood and if you store them properly they’ll last for years. Just set up a Tactics deck I grabbed in 2022 and it’s fine. Not as good as my g053s, but I wanted to get rid of it.
Now I worry about shoes cause I’ve seen some fall apart online. But I hope that takes YEARS, like over three at least. One sucky thing about wearing size 14 is I basically have no one to give them too. May have to find some tall Slap members to dump them on one day lol
If you're in the US shoes will last a long time, got a few pairs of NB 868 from a Pal on here which have to be at least 5-6 years old and they're holding up just fine (knock on wood). But they heat and humidity of the tropics wrecks the glue and foam on shoes.
I have a stack of Joslin and Maranas from 2018 and a couple of them I recently rotated in to skate and wear casually. Feels as good and skates like the first time I did back in 2018. So as long as you store them somewhere with no humidity or drastic temperature changes, they'll be alright.
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
Of all the combos I've tried 144/148 on 8.5" felt the worst...8.3x on 144/148 works fine for me tho. /crazy
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and the only real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the Foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
Wheel wells did not help me; probably could have gone cast but it would have still happened....149s, 52mm 101a classics 94a thunder bottoms, bones hard top. Jacuzzi (what an ugly shape this thing is blech).
(https://i.ibb.co/SnbLGqJ/bite.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SnbLGqJ)
I put my 5.8 cast venture / 52mm STF 103a back on.
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)
@JM
@Zane
tried my x97, v1 shape, 52mm, on a rugged downhill. they were alright. speed checks worked.
then tried my 55 dragons. waaaay faster, much less speed check. uncomfortably fast in parts of the road.
for me, both wheels slide around 180, but the 90 back to straight is more difficult, for me, than say f4s.
ended up just cruising around on the dragons. they are kinda like sweatpants or slip on shoes…just lazy/easy.
if the x97s were a bigger wheel, i’m sure they would have been the move. i got these small and thin to ride on low trucks, so not exactly hill bomb optimized.
hope this isn’t as useless as it reads back to me
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
For 8-8.4 I do 149 +/- some axel washers. 144 never piqued curiosity for fear of losing precious hanger meat.
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.
The stock bushings on quality brand trucks (Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace) are perfectly fine for 99% of beginners, some start out hard and soften with time and some are the other way around. Indy start out soft and harden so give them time to break in (and adjust your kingpin nut tightness) before you decide to buy new bushings. Bushings and pivot cup madness is next level madness compared to trucks / decks / wheels.
If there's anything the 100s of post on this thread prove - you can't buy your skill with gear. The only thing that will help you progress is time on the board, failing, eating shit and making incremental progress.
But having the right gear is a good starting point, and the "right" gear is the one you spend the most time on and adapting to.
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.
The stock bushings on quality brand trucks (Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace) are perfectly fine for 99% of beginners, some start out hard and soften with time and some are the other way around. Indy start out soft and harden so give them time to break in (and adjust your kingpin nut tightness) before you decide to buy new bushings. Bushings and pivot cup madness is next level madness compared to trucks / decks / wheels.
If there's anything the 100s of post on this thread prove - you can't buy your skill with gear. The only thing that will help you progress is time on the board, failing, eating shit and making incremental progress.
But having the right gear is a good starting point, and the "right" gear is the one you spend the most time on and adapting to.
Thanks, greatly appreciated. New updated list.
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Independent Stage 11 (144 size)
Bearings - Bones Reds
Wheels - Spitfire 52-54mm Conical 99a (Sizes vary because if I can find them at my local stores)
Other - Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.
The stock bushings on quality brand trucks (Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace) are perfectly fine for 99% of beginners, some start out hard and soften with time and some are the other way around. Indy start out soft and harden so give them time to break in (and adjust your kingpin nut tightness) before you decide to buy new bushings. Bushings and pivot cup madness is next level madness compared to trucks / decks / wheels.
If there's anything the 100s of post on this thread prove - you can't buy your skill with gear. The only thing that will help you progress is time on the board, failing, eating shit and making incremental progress.
But having the right gear is a good starting point, and the "right" gear is the one you spend the most time on and adapting to.
Thanks, greatly appreciated. New updated list.
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Independent Stage 11 (144 size)
Bearings - Bones Reds
Wheels - Spitfire 52-54mm Conical 99a (Sizes vary because if I can find them at my local stores)
Other - Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
That's an alright setup.
One thing: if the ground you'll be skating on is mostly rough, I'd pick a wheel from the larger end of the spectrum (54mm, even 55mm). It'll make pushing around feel less painful. 52mm or smaller hard wheels on rough terrain can be, well, rough.
Good luck, skate hard!
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Element Component 5.5" (Already have)
Bushings - Independent 92 Medium/Hard (Blue)
Bearings - Bronson Speed Co. RAW
Wheels - Ricta 52mm Cloud 78a
Other - Bones Speed Cream lubricant
Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
I'm going to assume this isn't a troll account so I'll reply.
Your current setup is fine as is if you're just starting out. The 2 things I'd change are the Element trucks and Ricta Clouds. Element trucks are fine for beginners / kids, their bushings are incredibly soft to account for kids not weighing anything so they can turn. Adults will find the bushings way too mushy and the board will feel unstable when you're learning to push around and get your balance.
Ricta Clouds are some of the best wheels for cruising but I wouldn't recommend them for parks or if you plan to learn how to pop your deck for tricks. The 78a formula is way too soft resulting in a board that feels bouncy instead of snappy.
I'd recommend:
DGK deck which you already have
Indy 144 or Thunder 148 Standards - stick with the big brand trucks, a pair will last you forever
Spitfire 54mm 99a Conical / Conical Full / Bones 54mm X99 V5 - better all purpose wheel
Bones Reds / Spitfire Cheapshots for bearings - cheap bearings are just as good as their pricier counterpart, though some would argue Bones Swiss last forever and are worth the money
Other stuff - I'd skip the speed cream and Indy bushings, don't need them right now and that money is better spent of good trucks or wheels.
If I skip the bushings and get a new set of Independent Stage 11 trucks, how is the bushings that come installed on it? The bushings that came with my Element trucks are absolutely horrible, way too soft and I tend to bounce from left to right of the deck, which is why I thought about swapping them out with Independent bushings.
The stock bushings on quality brand trucks (Indy, Thunder, Venture, Ace) are perfectly fine for 99% of beginners, some start out hard and soften with time and some are the other way around. Indy start out soft and harden so give them time to break in (and adjust your kingpin nut tightness) before you decide to buy new bushings. Bushings and pivot cup madness is next level madness compared to trucks / decks / wheels.
If there's anything the 100s of post on this thread prove - you can't buy your skill with gear. The only thing that will help you progress is time on the board, failing, eating shit and making incremental progress.
But having the right gear is a good starting point, and the "right" gear is the one you spend the most time on and adapting to.
Thanks, greatly appreciated. New updated list.
Deck - DGK Tuner 8.25" (Already have)
Truck - Independent Stage 11 (144 size)
Bearings - Bones Reds
Wheels - Spitfire 52-54mm Conical 99a (Sizes vary because if I can find them at my local stores)
Other - Independent blue 1" (Phillips bolts) (Already have)
Grizzly black grip tape (Already have)
That's an alright setup.
One thing: if the ground you'll be skating on is mostly rough, I'd pick a wheel from the larger end of the spectrum (54mm, even 55mm). It'll make pushing around feel less painful. 52mm or smaller hard wheels on rough terrain can be, well, rough.
Good luck, skate hard!
Based on the video he shared it looks like smooth concrete skate parks, Conical or Conical Fulls should do just fine.
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
144’s are a make believe marketing gimmick. 8.25 trucks are a full joke and ploy imo based on historical truck sizes offered, name/size changes to coincide with industry trends, etc. 144 are a joke to me because they seem like too specific of a truck made and marketed toward one specific size board. Too specific at 8.25 measurement of a truck for me. Feels weird.
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125
This. 144 being a "joke" and a "gimmick" gives off strong old man yelling at clouds vibes. 144s and other 8.25 trucks can be great for everything from 8.125 to 8.38 boards, depending on personal taste. Not all skaters are stuck in ruts.
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125
This. 144 being a "joke" and a "gimmick" gives off strong old man yelling at clouds vibes. 144s and other 8.25 trucks can be great for everything from 8.125 to 8.38 boards, depending on personal taste. Not all skaters are stuck in ruts.
Lol I flip 8in just fine on 149 (Taylor Nawrocki style). But yes, old man yelling at the industry clouds of flooded product. Prob need some inverted mid 144’s hollows to fix my skate game. I call it a joke because trying to retroactively corner a market of 8.25 skaters past the popularity of their resurgence (by what’s now considered a toy company no less) can be taken as being out of touch, hence a “joke”. God I’m aging myself. Using ‘Drew to market it too like they made the truck for him to try and tap in to that market of madness, which is all they generated. Looking at Venture site 5.6 is still marketed as NEW. I’m sure 147’s are not far off in the timeline.
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125
This. 144 being a "joke" and a "gimmick" gives off strong old man yelling at clouds vibes. 144s and other 8.25 trucks can be great for everything from 8.125 to 8.38 boards, depending on personal taste. Not all skaters are stuck in ruts.
Fair enough brother, but I'd much more call things like the Indy Stage IV's a gimmick and unnecessary addition to the oversaturated market as compared to 8.25 trucks which managed to fill a real rational need for people who don't want to either magic carpet nor hot rod.
I've had a good ol' time on my 144s for all I know, and as said, they are perfect for an 8.125 deck.
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Dam are my af1 44’s just a gimmick?? It’s all a lie??!!!!
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Having a slight crisis and not sure what the next step I should take
Have/had 3 set-ups
Setup 1
Foy Twin 8.5 x 31.9 14.25 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
Setup 2
Crail 8.5 Twin Tip 8.5 x 31.8 14 wheelbase
Thunder Titanium 159
Old Setup
Shop board 8.5 x 32.25 14.375 wheelbase
Indy Hollows 144
So far I've liked the shop board the most but wish it were a twin. Now I'm thinking about getting a set of Indy 149s and building another setup with a new shop board but don't know if there's going to be any noticeable differences between the 144s and the 149s. Ultimately I'd like just one do it all set up but not sure if a twin shape is more important than not
I'm weening myself off twins as there are not many I prefer (too many with short WB or weird dims) and th eonly real benefit is just throwing the board down and off you go; the foy / Toy twins have been the best of the offerings for me.
Maybe try the foy on 149s?
I am all for Indy 149s on anything 8.5 or 8.38, but I like a little bit more stability in that regard. They are more balanced, I feel, for the similar sized board, rather than being a bit tippy with 8.5 or 8.38 on 144s, which is what a few friends have, but they are all about the street tech.
More personal opinion than anything else, but it is good to have at least one set of 144, 149 and 159 if you are trying anything from 8.25 through to 8.75 even though that is probably not helping the madness.
Not to say only 144 on 8.25, only 149 on 8.38 or 8.5 and only 159 on 8.6 and up, but mixing and matching can give some interesting results.
144/148/5.6 feel fantastic on 8.125
This. 144 being a "joke" and a "gimmick" gives off strong old man yelling at clouds vibes. 144s and other 8.25 trucks can be great for everything from 8.125 to 8.38 boards, depending on personal taste. Not all skaters are stuck in ruts.
Fair enough brother, but I'd much more call things like the Indy Stage IV's a gimmick and unnecessary addition to the oversaturated market as compared to 8.25 trucks which managed to fill a real rational need for people who don't want to either magic carpet nor hot rod.
I've had a good ol' time on my 144s for all I know, and as said, they are perfect for an 8.125 deck.
Definitely, without a doubt. Actually kinda cringe to me when I see people skating ‘em. Selling old geometry is definitely a gimmick. Does not align with a business model or years of progression and development.
Point taken on the 144/8in. I should give ‘er a go. Probably will perform better than 149. I honestly would be happier with less options. Less madness.
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Dam are my af1 44’s just a gimmick?? It’s all a lie??!!!!
Lmaooo. Yes. Yes it is.
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I am building my first board, I am currently using a complete by Element.
So I've created a list of what I am going to do. I already have some of the parts and am planning to buy the rest by the end of this week. What do you guys think?
I just went back over previous posts to check and see where you were at, so as per others comments on here, I mostly agree with everything said so far.
Quite simply the harder bushings might be the main thing that would really help you, as both those Element completes and most stock bushings in any brand trucks are 90 duro, so although they all do firm up after a few sessions, they are all going to be fairly soft compared to what might be best on 92 or even 94 duro bushings for your size, balance, etc.
I have a lot of those Element boards for kids to ride at the indoor skatepark I am at and have tried all the parts on my own setups, as well as skated them just to see how well they hold up - better than I would have thought actually, but yes they are a beginner to basic intermediate complete, so although things will last perfectly well for starting out, they will only get you so far.
That said, buying a whole pro complete is not necessary, but I would not stop you from getting whatever you wanted in that regard, eg you have all the top brands listed there now, which is pretty much what I ride anyway, as do many others.
Lastly, just so you don't go down a rabbit hole about things, learning to stop, start, stand on the board and lean to heel or toe sides, pushing, rolling faster, and turning both with lifting up as well as just carving all takes time, so from what I had seen of your video, you are already well on your way, which is good to see. It really is just about putting in the time and getting comfortable on a skateboard, rolling around and building up muscles that might not otherwise get used a whole lot doing other things and taking care not to go too hard or try anything too quickly that could result in injury or other issues.
Whatever your board setup, it will not magically make you skate significantly better or worse, but it can help a whole lot having good quality gear you can get used to, hence more than anything, the harder bushings comment to start with.
Hope that helps anyway.
Good times ahead!
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)
@JM
@Zane
tried my x97, v1 shape, 52mm, on a rugged downhill. they were alright. speed checks worked.
then tried my 55 dragons. waaaay faster, much less speed check. uncomfortably fast in parts of the road.
for me, both wheels slide around 180, but the 90 back to straight is more difficult, for me, than say f4s.
ended up just cruising around on the dragons. they are kinda like sweatpants or slip on shoes…just lazy/easy.
if the x97s were a bigger wheel, i’m sure they would have been the move. i got these small and thin to ride on low trucks, so not exactly hill bomb optimized.
hope this isn’t as useless as it reads back to me
Thanks dog, that is most certainly useful in case I ever feel the urge to powerslide going downhill. The powerslides I try on flat smooth concrete in the x97's, V1's are really sticky and don't work well most of the time. I do miss the SPF Bones in that regard. Downside of f4 99's in smooth park concrete is they are not as fast as either SPF or x97's. (x97's are suprisingly fast on smooth concrete!)
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)
@JM
@Zane
tried my x97, v1 shape, 52mm, on a rugged downhill. they were alright. speed checks worked.
then tried my 55 dragons. waaaay faster, much less speed check. uncomfortably fast in parts of the road.
for me, both wheels slide around 180, but the 90 back to straight is more difficult, for me, than say f4s.
ended up just cruising around on the dragons. they are kinda like sweatpants or slip on shoes…just lazy/easy.
if the x97s were a bigger wheel, i’m sure they would have been the move. i got these small and thin to ride on low trucks, so not exactly hill bomb optimized.
hope this isn’t as useless as it reads back to me
my major malfunction seems to be that i really want to ‘speed check’ power slide, whatever, downhill….because im scared and going too fast. i live in a place with horrible old roads, the dragons feel awesome. until i start going too fast.
f4s are great for speed checks, and slower. if i skate a massive wheel (56 radial fulls let’s say) the f4s do well enough.
but.
if a wheel is good on these shit streets, then said wheel most likely has ‘orrible drawbacks once at the spot (too big, too heavy, too soft, etc etc).
big tiny baby i am.
i’ll to try the x97s at the park. i never skate there.
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I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
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I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
Spitfire Cheapshots
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I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
Can't go wrong. I've used Quantums and Bones a lot over the last couple of years. If I had to definitively state what's worked best, longest for me, its Swiss 6. But Isotopes are a very close second and have an appeal as a smaller low key company ran by skate nerds.
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I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
Can't go wrong. I've used Quantums and Bones a lot over the last couple of years. If I had to definitively state what's worked best, longest for me, its Swiss 6. But Isotopes are a very close second and have an appeal as a smaller low key company ran by skate nerds.
Dope, might give the Isotopes a solid shot then, since I can only get my hands on Swiss 7-balls.
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I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
Can't go wrong. I've used Quantums and Bones a lot over the last couple of years. If I had to definitively state what's worked best, longest for me, its Swiss 6. But Isotopes are a very close second and have an appeal as a smaller low key company ran by skate nerds.
Dope, might give the Isotopes a solid shot then, since I can only get my hands on Swiss 7-balls.
For me is swiss 6, swiss, HKD 5
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I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
I've learned the hard way: nothing but Swiss / Swiss 6.
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I'm finally getting back into skating this spring after 3+ years being away from it.
have a dilemma building my setup; I wanna step away from the typical Reds and go more premium, so I went through the bearings gear thread, seem to be a lot of people loving Quantum Atoms/Isotopes, but I could not a read lot of long term reviews comparing them to Swiss on them for durability/feel/maintenance and instead compares on cost to performance. the kicker is I have a hookup that has Bones Swiss for the same price I can get Quantum Atoms/Isotopes.
Comparing Quantum ceramics vs tried and true Swiss to slam in 99a Full Conical F4s is driving me a bit mad, anyone skate both a ton (I primarily do concrete park/cruising, but any input is good imho) and have an opinion on what's best?
I've learned the hard way: nothing but Swiss / Swiss 6.
Sounds like that's a pretty solid consensus. Just shilled out a little more for Swiss 6
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+1 for Swiss six
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Despite all the madness, one thing is crystal clear: Super Swiss 6, and nothing else. Ever. Hard stop.
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Only bones Swiss ceramics for me
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First madness of my life; went through too many wheels within the span of two months.
Started off with wanting to try Dragons after riding Spitfire F4 for as long as they've been around. Bought the 54mm V4 Dragons and loved them at first. Spot to spot was so much faster, and I liked the rebound. They definitely don't slide as well as everyone wants you to believe. Especially felt it on flat ground tricks that required a little bit of a revert (backslide flips, 360s, etc). Went back to Spitfire F4, but tried the OG classics in 52mm 99a. Hated them. Square edge threw off all my flat ground tricks, and they felt super rough riding from spot to spot. Went back to Dragons, but this time the 52mm V1, hoping that the smaller wheel would revert better. They didn't. Went to Spitfire F4 Classics in 97a hoping that it would be a good middle ground. They were okay honestly. Definitely prefer a round edge wheel, but they still were a little sticky for my taste. They were good for 90% of things, and my flat ground improved, but still not "it". Finally landed back on Spitfire F4, but this time 54mm 99a Radials. Hoping the slightly wider wheel helps smoothen things, while having the slide of the 99a duro, and the round edge for flat ground.
classics are the best.
dragons do not slide very well, in my experience. i just want them to slide on downhill speed checks, and for me, they do not. dragons do feel excellent for my old joints/bones, and pushing to and fro is lovely.
i’ve been skating 52 v1 x97s and they are nice. haven’t taken them down a fast hill yet.
i’ve been contemplating skating a set of 55 dragons, for transportation, and then once at the skatepark, changing to 52 classic f4s.
feels precious.
And get two sets of bearings and just quick-switch the wheels out 8)
@JM
@Zane
tried my x97, v1 shape, 52mm, on a rugged downhill. they were alright. speed checks worked.
then tried my 55 dragons. waaaay faster, much less speed check. uncomfortably fast in parts of the road.
for me, both wheels slide around 180, but the 90 back to straight is more difficult, for me, than say f4s.
ended up just cruising around on the dragons. they are kinda like sweatpants or slip on shoes…just lazy/easy.
if the x97s were a bigger wheel, i’m sure they would have been the move. i got these small and thin to ride on low trucks, so not exactly hill bomb optimized.
hope this isn’t as useless as it reads back to me
my major malfunction seems to be that i really want to ‘speed check’ power slide, whatever, downhill….because im scared and going too fast. i live in a place with horrible old roads, the dragons feel awesome. until i start going too fast.
f4s are great for speed checks, and slower. if i skate a massive wheel (56 radial fulls let’s say) the f4s do well enough.
but.
if a wheel is good on these shit streets, then said wheel most likely has ‘orrible drawbacks once at the spot (too big, too heavy, too soft, etc etc).
big tiny baby i am.
i’ll to try the x97s at the park. i never skate there.
i'm on some loopholes right now, 56. they're a dope all around wheel, slide real nice but don't slide out/very controllable, and really aren't that much heavier
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Ok maybe this is one of those things I just have to deal with. I switched from venture (my favorite truck) to Indy cause I kept hitting axel in like 5/6 months on venture. Settled on Indy’s with the blue bushings (more stability and great turn, love em now).
Only problem is now the axel is starting to peek out 5 months in. Crook of course comes first but that barely counts. Switched hangers when the crooks started barking on the (metal) skatepark ledge on my weekday sessions and when I was switching noticed the axel poking out on the back hanger.
I can’t even slappy so this doesn’t feel justified. I skate a lot of crusty ledges so I’m guessing that’s the culprit and I hate breaking trucks in. I always thought of Indy as being the longest lasting truck. Any suggestions on a truck that’s somehow more durable than Indy? Or should I just accept I’m gonna go through two sets of trucks a year?
My 2024 goal is learning slappys (might be lofty that shit seems impossible) which I’m sure will make this problem significantly worse.
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Ok maybe this is one of those things I just have to deal with. I switched from venture (my favorite truck) to Indy cause I kept hitting axel in like 5/6 months on venture. Settled on Indy’s with the blue bushings (more stability and great turn, love em now).
Only problem is now the axel is starting to peek out 5 months in. Crook of course comes first but that barely counts. Switched hangers when the crooks started barking on the (metal) skatepark ledge on my weekday sessions and when I was switching noticed the axel poking out on the back hanger.
I can’t even slappy so this doesn’t feel justified. I skate a lot of crusty ledges so I’m guessing that’s the culprit and I hate breaking trucks in. I always thought of Indy as being the longest lasting truck. Any suggestions on a truck that’s somehow more durable than Indy? Or should I just accept I’m gonna go through two sets of trucks a year?
My 2024 goal is learning slappys (might be lofty that shit seems impossible) which I’m sure will make this problem significantly worse.
I think you just gotta take pride in the fact that you’re skating frequently and hard enough to hit axle in 5-6 months, and use it as an opportunity to treat yourself to some fresh new trucks.
Venture and Indy are both on the longer end of durability for me, definitely last longer than my Aces. The only other option may be Thunder, but why give up a nice turn/grind for a couple extra weeks of grinding? Plus thunders stink.
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I switched to Venture because thunders ground out too fast....Ventures are meatier and harder ie. don't grind as well, but last longer. Indy's are great (there I said it) but heavy and well...the t-shirts are gross....
Don't feel the need to do a slappy.....
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I switched to Venture because thunders ground out too fast....Ventures are meatier and harder ie. don't grind as well, but last longer. Indy's are great (there I said it) but heavy and well...the t-shirts are gross....
Don't feel the need to do a slappy.....
yes. yes. emphatic yes.
be stoked you are dusting thru trucks, and skate the ones that are the most fun. imo.
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Ok maybe this is one of those things I just have to deal with. I switched from venture (my favorite truck) to Indy cause I kept hitting axel in like 5/6 months on venture. Settled on Indy’s with the blue bushings (more stability and great turn, love em now).
Only problem is now the axel is starting to peek out 5 months in. Crook of course comes first but that barely counts. Switched hangers when the crooks started barking on the (metal) skatepark ledge on my weekday sessions and when I was switching noticed the axel poking out on the back hanger.
I can’t even slappy so this doesn’t feel justified. I skate a lot of crusty ledges so I’m guessing that’s the culprit and I hate breaking trucks in. I always thought of Indy as being the longest lasting truck. Any suggestions on a truck that’s somehow more durable than Indy? Or should I just accept I’m gonna go through two sets of trucks a year?
My 2024 goal is learning slappys (might be lofty that shit seems impossible) which I’m sure will make this problem significantly worse.
I think you just gotta take pride in the fact that you’re skating frequently and hard enough to hit axle in 5-6 months, and use it as an opportunity to treat yourself to some fresh new trucks.
Venture and Indy are both on the longer end of durability for me, definitely last longer than my Aces. The only other option may be Thunder, but why give up a nice turn/grind for a couple extra weeks of grinding? Plus thunders stink.
Sure some trucks will grind through faster than others, but if you are skating the rough terrain that eats trucks, any trucks, this is just part of the game and accepting that is how it goes is just one of the many things that come with the territory.
I don't think any truck brand would hold up more, or any version of any truck, even though some people have said the Indy mid hanger is the thickest of all, but you really don't want to go down that road, unless you are keen to see what they are like.
Maybe a little clear coat on anything you are skating more regularly will ease the gnar factor of edges of things eating trucks. It works for pool and similar other rougher concrete edges, concrete sealer or any clear coat sort of stuff, as people put on curbs too.
Just a thought anyway.
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My ace classics lasted the longest idky cuz the metal was obviously softer.
I too do two Ventures a year I can't break the truck no matter how much axle is showing. Usually I just get sick of looking at it. . Indys i really like newer. They last little longer.
I think my 6.1s are going to last over a year maybe. Lots of surface area my trucks like to shimmy on the block when 50. I love it
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Ventures on 8.25 wheelbases?
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it's not the end of the world...the trucks are a bit lower to begin with, and the trucks have other great benefits. That said, if wheel base bugs you, it is what it is.....might want to skate Indys.....
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Ventures on 8.25 wheelbases?
Do you mean 14.25?
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Ventures on 8.25 wheelbases?
What is this? A wheelbase for ants?
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The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
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The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
I rode the same kind of setup for years. Something you could try is putting 3 washers on the inside of each wheel to push them out a little. I do that on most of my setups to give us much grinding space as possible and keep the axles from poking out.
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The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
I rode the same kind of setup for years. Something you could try is putting 3 washers on the inside of each wheel to push them out a little. I do that on most of my setups to give us much grinding space as possible and keep the axles from poking out.
Yeah that was my go to for a long, long time.
AH black eagle or similar 8.125 or other 8.18 sized boards on 139s, more often than not with wider wheels to make it feel a little more comfortable and as you said, three washers on the inside as a matter of principle.
Then when 144s came out, I switched up to those and could ride smaller / normal shaped wheels with only a washer or two on the inside which brought the wheels out a bit more and was comfortable for me.
Other people who had tried it said it messed with them too much, as they were way more comfortable on 139s than on 144s, so even that difference from 8 to 8.25" trucks can be a good thing for some people like me, or a bad thing for others I know.
If you are set on that truck size, then changing boards is often easier than getting a new set of trucks to go on the slightly wider board.
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The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
Run 2 speed rings on the inside and that’ll push your wheels out the 1/8” so they’re flush with the deck.
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The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
I rode the same kind of setup for years. Something you could try is putting 3 washers on the inside of each wheel to push them out a little. I do that on most of my setups to give us much grinding space as possible and keep the axles from poking out.
Yeah that was my go to for a long, long time.
AH black eagle or similar 8.125 or other 8.18 sized boards on 139s, more often than not with wider wheels to make it feel a little more comfortable and as you said, three washers on the inside as a matter of principle.
Then when 144s came out, I switched up to those and could ride smaller / normal shaped wheels with only a washer or two on the inside which brought the wheels out a bit more and was comfortable for me.
Other people who had tried it said it messed with them too much, as they were way more comfortable on 139s than on 144s, so even that difference from 8 to 8.25" trucks can be a good thing for some people like me, or a bad thing for others I know.
If you are set on that truck size, then changing boards is often easier than getting a new set of trucks to go on the slightly wider board.
This is why I only ride .25/.50/.75 decks…so trucks match up. Can’t deal with the bastard children (.01/.3/.6/etc.).
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The madness finally hit me today. I’ve been riding the same 8.125” shape with 8” trucks on and off for about 5 years. Today I was setting up for a trick and looked down and realized I couldn’t see my wheels from the top and it fucked me up. Seriously almost 5 years and it never bothered me but now I can’t deal with it. Going back to an 8” deck next time I hit the shop.
I rode the same kind of setup for years. Something you could try is putting 3 washers on the inside of each wheel to push them out a little. I do that on most of my setups to give us much grinding space as possible and keep the axles from poking out.
Yeah that was my go to for a long, long time.
AH black eagle or similar 8.125 or other 8.18 sized boards on 139s, more often than not with wider wheels to make it feel a little more comfortable and as you said, three washers on the inside as a matter of principle.
Then when 144s came out, I switched up to those and could ride smaller / normal shaped wheels with only a washer or two on the inside which brought the wheels out a bit more and was comfortable for me.
Other people who had tried it said it messed with them too much, as they were way more comfortable on 139s than on 144s, so even that difference from 8 to 8.25" trucks can be a good thing for some people like me, or a bad thing for others I know.
If you are set on that truck size, then changing boards is often easier than getting a new set of trucks to go on the slightly wider board.
This is why I only ride .25/.50/.75 decks…so trucks match up. Can’t deal with the bastard children (.01/.3/.6/etc.).
Ha yeah for sure!!!
Some of the sizes work well with different wheels, eg wider truck, wider wheel to maximise width, or axle washers this side or that side.
The funniest thing no matter what is trying things like certain pro setups, eg Peter Hewitt with 159s on the 8.38 board and saying there is no wheel sticking out at all - no matter what I set up, there is always wheel sticking out, no washers or one washer inside, with his regular Classic or Radial shaped wheels, but that's ok - when he can skate like that, compared to how I skate on anything even my best day pales in comparison, so whatever works I guess.
Just set up a board for a friend from old parts, with 144s on my old 8.38 and it feels so tippy - even with all washers on the inside, but that's the way he likes it, whereas 149s on the 8.38 just fit so well for me.
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Tail is getting razor, and it’s at the fifth ply now. But the deck doesn’t feel soggy and still plenty snappy.
Skating indy, and I moved the 1.5mm down from standard baseplate to the forged, so that I might get the same pop timing… but it still feels like I really have to smash the hell out of the tail to have a solid popped Ollie (leveled out without foot coming off at all).
Deck is DLX 8.38/14.5 WB.
Wheels are 52 new, and at about 51 now.
Should I go back to standard hangar?
Try 53 or 54 wheels?
Just suck it up and concentrate on always popping hard?
Set up new deck?
The goal is just to have a crispy pop, with no dangly back foot. Yuck.
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I was skating a ledge next to a fountain and my board briefly went into the water, like under 5 seconds. I took it out bounced it around… rolls fine… bearings don’t feel or sound fucked. They’re like they were before going into the water. Should I clean and lube them? This happened about a week ago.
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I was skating a ledge next to a fountain and my board briefly went into the water, like under 5 seconds. I took it out bounced it around… rolls fine… bearings don’t feel or sound fucked. They’re like they were before going into the water. Should I clean and lube them? This happened about a week ago.
It’s entirely possible that no water got inside the bearings because of the surface tension/cohesion (provided you skate normally with shields on like the good lord intended).
If there was going to have any rust happen, it would have happened by now… and cleaning them wouldn’t do anything at this point.
But, it’s promising you mentioned lube, because the lube would have also protected all the internal surfaces from water sticking on them… so the hope is you had well lubed bearings and the 5sec dunk did nothing.
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Yeah, shields on. They roll the same pre water bath. I’ll leave them alone.
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Tail is getting razor, and it’s at the fifth ply now. But the deck doesn’t feel soggy and still plenty snappy.
Skating indy, and I moved the 1.5mm down from standard baseplate to the forged, so that I might get the same pop timing… but it still feels like I really have to smash the hell out of the tail to have a solid popped Ollie (leveled out without foot coming off at all).
Deck is DLX 8.38/14.5 WB.
Wheels are 52 new, and at about 51 now.
Should I go back to standard hangar?
Try 53 or 54 wheels?
Just suck it up and concentrate on always popping hard?
Set up new deck?
The goal is just to have a crispy pop, with no dangly back foot. Yuck.
The one thing I find with the DLX 8.38 shape is I go through the tail faster than some other boards, but as with anything, when is the right time to swap out, or keep it going?
If you have a new one ready to go and can afford it, I say set up the new board and pass the other one on to someone else which might make both of you happy.
If nothing else at least it could be a good backup board if it is still not soggy, but the number of times I have kept an old board set up and skating it for way longer than I needed to, just because I wanted to get the most out of it, finally realised when I did set up a new board how good it felt, I have to keep reminding myself I don't need to skate it to death any more and it most definitely is not helping riding something past when I should, for the sake of skating something better that I have waiting, if that makes sense.
In summary, if it is not quite skating as it should, for whatever reason, swap it out ASAP.
That is my thought on it anyway.
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Yeah, shields on. They roll the same pre water bath. I’ll leave them alone.
More than anything, even just checking each wheel is spinning as it should, take the wheel off and check the inside of each bearing - don't need to take shields off, just look at the inside of the wheel or the back of the bearing, so if it is wet in there, sooner or later things are going to rust and the bearing will stop. If they are all clean and dry, or at least looking exactly how they should, then put it back together and away you go.
Seen a number of boards that people say their bearings are noisy or whatever, take the wheels off and there is a lot of rust, dust and mess in there, but they can never recall if or when their board got wet, so it is worth checking while things are still going well enough, before they get rusty or things go wrong.
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In summary, if it is not quite skating as it should, for whatever reason, swap it out ASAP.
That is my thought on it anyway.
This.
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@Sedition @Mbrimson88
Well, that settles that. Thank you
When the Doctors speak, you’d be a damned fool not to listen 8)
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
Check out Black Label. Their 8.5 decks are 14.5wb. Shape on them is almost exactly the same as the 8.75 you’re currently riding. BBS wood, too. Note, however, that Black Label tend to also have steeper kicks.
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
Check out Black Label. Their 8.5 decks are 14.5wb. Shape on them is almost exactly the same as the 8.75 you’re currently riding. BBS wood, too. Note, however, that Black Label tend to also have steeper kicks.
I would agree with this as well.
Peter Hewitt (and others) ride 159s on their DLX 8.38 boards, but it just looked and felt weird when I set up a board to copy his. Not to say others will not find it awesome, but it is just a little too wide in the truck department for comfort for me.
On the other hand, a lot more people ride 159s on 8.5 boards and the usual BBS / Generator 8.5 shape is a good one, used by a lot of brands for their usual board, of which I have many and they vary in steepness and concave, but as Sedition said, the Black Label 8.5 boards tend to be on the steeper side, both side to side concave and angle of kicks, from the half a dozen I have, compared to all the other BBS 8.5 boards of the same shape and size, which are in general way more mellow.
The only other question for Kevve is have you tried the DLX 8.62 shape? It has a 14.75 wb and is a little more narrow overall than the 8.75 so if you were after something with a longer wheelbase, this is also a good one, but may be a little too big still, for what you want.
DLX does have another 8.5 x 32.5 with 14.75 wb, as well as the one off There Chandler Burton board with 14.69 wb, which might be worth checking out too.
A few options anyway.
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
Check out Black Label. Their 8.5 decks are 14.5wb. Shape on them is almost exactly the same as the 8.75 you’re currently riding. BBS wood, too. Note, however, that Black Label tend to also have steeper kicks.
I would agree with this as well.
Peter Hewitt (and others) ride 159s on their DLX 8.38 boards, but it just looked and felt weird when I set up a board to copy his. Not to say others will not find it awesome, but it is just a little too wide in the truck department for comfort for me.
On the other hand, a lot more people ride 159s on 8.5 boards and the usual BBS / Generator 8.5 shape is a good one, used by a lot of brands for their usual board, of which I have many and they vary in steepness and concave, but as Sedition said, the Black Label 8.5 boards tend to be on the steeper side, both side to side concave and angle of kicks, from the half a dozen I have, compared to all the other BBS 8.5 boards of the same shape and size, which are in general way more mellow.
The only other question for Kevve is have you tried the DLX 8.62 shape? It has a 14.75 wb and is a little more narrow overall than the 8.75 so if you were after something with a longer wheelbase, this is also a good one, but may be a little too big still, for what you want.
DLX does have another 8.5 x 32.5 with 14.75 wb, as well as the one off There Chandler Burton board with 14.69 wb, which might be worth checking out too.
A few options anyway.
(1) Peter Hewitt's set-up sounds...terrifying.
(2) If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?
(3) I tried the 8.62/14.75 a little bit ago. I told a friend, "This is possibly the worst popsicle I've ever ridden." I absolutely hated it. The dimensions / ratios all seemed to be fighting against each other. But to each their own, if someone likes it, awesome. The 8.75 feels way, way, way more nimble/responsive than the 8.62, IMHO, and is a much better "balanced" deck.
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
Check out Black Label. Their 8.5 decks are 14.5wb. Shape on them is almost exactly the same as the 8.75 you’re currently riding. BBS wood, too. Note, however, that Black Label tend to also have steeper kicks.
I would agree with this as well.
Peter Hewitt (and others) ride 159s on their DLX 8.38 boards, but it just looked and felt weird when I set up a board to copy his. Not to say others will not find it awesome, but it is just a little too wide in the truck department for comfort for me.
On the other hand, a lot more people ride 159s on 8.5 boards and the usual BBS / Generator 8.5 shape is a good one, used by a lot of brands for their usual board, of which I have many and they vary in steepness and concave, but as Sedition said, the Black Label 8.5 boards tend to be on the steeper side, both side to side concave and angle of kicks, from the half a dozen I have, compared to all the other BBS 8.5 boards of the same shape and size, which are in general way more mellow.
The only other question for Kevve is have you tried the DLX 8.62 shape? It has a 14.75 wb and is a little more narrow overall than the 8.75 so if you were after something with a longer wheelbase, this is also a good one, but may be a little too big still, for what you want.
DLX does have another 8.5 x 32.5 with 14.75 wb, as well as the one off There Chandler Burton board with 14.69 wb, which might be worth checking out too.
A few options anyway.
(1) Peter Hewitt's set-up sounds...terrifying.
(2) If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?
(3) I tried the 8.62/14.75 a little bit ago. I told a friend, "This is possibly the worst popsicle I've ever ridden." I absolutely hated it. The dimensions / ratios all seemed to be fighting against each other. But to each their own, if someone likes it, awesome. The 8.75 feels way, way, way more nimble/responsive than the 8.62, IMHO, and is a much better "balanced" deck.
Brands with 8.5 that have 14.5 and +32 length:
The Killing Floor
Element (Pro models and select series are BBS, others may not be, so you gotta double check for BBS markings by the bolts IRL or via photos)
Magenta (I believe but not 100%)
Passport
AH/Krooked 8.38 (feels like an 8.5 and is 14.5 with 32+ length)
Polar (some people say their 8.5s don't have 14.5 WB but all the ones I had were spot on 4 years ago)
Primitive (I swear they had 8.5 x 14.5 x 32.25 for the longest time but haven't skated any recently to know for sure if that's still true)
Slave
Zero
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If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?
* As per Darkpools, Fakie nollie and others, this was my take.
Yeah there sure are lots in that same or very similar shape of the 8.5 x 32.3 given or take a bit in each measurement per different board company, 14.5 wb with 7 or so nose and 6.7 or so tail. Quite a lot even have the length listed as 32 even, but they all line up the same to me.
The most annoying thing is with actually finding a mellow board, given they have multiples per press and different presses, some steeper some more mellow, because even some of the same board that I have bought, I can sort them into the steeper ones I usually sell right away, the middle range I may or may not skate or the mellow boards, which I squirrel away like they are the last of those kind on earth.
Examples of this include older stock I have from Passport, Baker, Birdhouse, Deathwish, Element (before they changed) and a few others, especially Element though, which I always blank but they are just so comfrotable for me.
Boards from Loser Machine, Isle, Alltimers, Killing Floor, some Magenta, some Passport and some Generator blanks were all middle of the road.
Boards more recently from Black Label, Cash Only, some Magenta, some Passport and a few Generator boards for skate shops / blanks were all too steep for me to be comfortable on, but others I know have loved them and they held up well.
I don't want to just list the woodshop thread with the BBS and highlight all the boards there that I have that are that shape, or at least were, because some have changed now, others seem to have gone with shorter versions, etc.
There sure are a lot from that list though.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729103#msg3729103
Others I think are the same from looking online but I have not seen in person include 151, ATM, Frog, Sci Fi (Generator sticker on it) but also all the shop boards that use Generator for their wood, as well as those smaller brands that seem to slip under the radar.
Shop board post here too:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729105#msg3729105
If you can make it in somewhere to look at or stand on a lot of boards, all good and well, but if you can't for whatever reason, it is often way more of a roll of the dice to try to find the good boards that are most comfortable. I don't think anyone specifically has mellow boards from that list, or at least not any that will compare to DLX with a IV stamp.
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If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?
* As per Darkpools, Fakie nollie and others, this was my take.
Yeah there sure are lots in that same or very similar shape of the 8.5 x 32.3 given or take a bit in each measurement per different board company, 14.5 wb with 7 or so nose and 6.7 or so tail. Quite a lot even have the length listed as 32 even, but they all line up the same to me.
The most annoying thing is with actually finding a mellow board, given they have multiples per press and different presses, some steeper some more mellow, because even some of the same board that I have bought, I can sort them into the steeper ones I usually sell right away, the middle range I may or may not skate or the mellow boards, which I squirrel away like they are the last of those kind on earth.
Examples of this include older stock I have from Passport, Baker, Birdhouse, Deathwish, Element (before they changed) and a few others, especially Element though, which I always blank but they are just so comfrotable for me.
Boards from Loser Machine, Isle, Alltimers, Killing Floor, some Magenta, some Passport and some Generator blanks were all middle of the road.
Boards more recently from Black Label, Cash Only, some Magenta, some Passport and a few Generator boards for skate shops / blanks were all too steep for me to be comfortable on, but others I know have loved them and they held up well.
I don't want to just list the woodshop thread with the BBS and highlight all the boards there that I have that are that shape, or at least were, because some have changed now, others seem to have gone with shorter versions, etc.
There sure are a lot from that list though.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729103#msg3729103
Others I think are the same from looking online but I have not seen in person include 151, ATM, Frog, Sci Fi (Generator sticker on it) but also all the shop boards that use Generator for their wood, as well as those smaller brands that seem to slip under the radar.
Shop board post here too:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729105#msg3729105
If you can make it in somewhere to look at or stand on a lot of boards, all good and well, but if you can't for whatever reason, it is often way more of a roll of the dice to try to find the good boards that are most comfortable. I don't think anyone specifically has mellow boards from that list, or at least not any that will compare to DLX with a IV stamp.
(Posting this on phone, sorry for typos)
I have such a tumultuous relationship with 8.5 decks. I love my DLX 8.25/14.38. I also love my DLX 8.75/14.62. However, at times the 8.25 feels a tad too, well, “dainty.” Conversely, the 8.75 can lend itself to feeling like a land dirigible in some circumstances (esp. flip tricks and things that require me push the limits of what’s left of my max ollie height).
So, it seems like an 8.5/14.5 would be a magic bullet, as it falls directly between those two. Or so it would seem.
A few problems come up with the 8.5/14.5s I’ve tried. First, I hate the given shape. The DLX 8.38 falls into this category for me. The nose/tail are just too rounded-off. Baker 8.5s are the same way (and not sure I could really bring myself to ride Baker on the regular). Second, are kicks dimensions. I had a Zero 8.5/14.5 once, and Jesus, the tail was sooo long. I didn’t think that was going to impact me all that much, but I was categorically wrong. Last, is kickstarter angle. Some are just too steep. The Black Label 8.5/14.5 is the perfect 8.5 shape for me (it’s basically same shape as the DLX 8.25/8.75). But the problem with Black Label is their kicks are so steep—which is really unfortunate because (a) the shape is awesome and (b) the Black Label is one of the best companies, ever, IMHO.
The other weird thing that has happened to me on 8.5/14.5 decks is…they seem to be the worst of the 8.25/8.75, and the best of neither. They never seem as solid/stable as the 8.75 (main reason I like that deck), or as agile as the 8.25. I’ve never, once, ridden any 8.5/14.5 deck and been like “OH! OH! OMG! Hell yes! This thing rocks!” The 8.25/8.75, however…
So, I don’t know. Maybe I’ve just never found the “perfect” 8.5/14.5. Maybe my idea that an 8.5/14.5 is a middle ground “magic bullet” is fundamentally flawed. Maybe I’m just chasing madness waterfalls. Maybe I should stop looking, and just take the brilliance of the 8.75/8.25 on their own terms.
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I ordered 93a f4 radial the second I could a couple days ago. I’ve been perfectly happy on f4 97a 53mm Classics for the last month +. It’s times like this that I feel the madness the most and wonder what it’s going to take to get rid of this (besides more therapy.)
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I've got a weird brand of madness. My 149 Indys are perfect. On an 8.38 April with classic shape 99d F4s perfect. On an 8.5 Polar with conical fulls 99.9% perfect.
Why then am I always buying stuff, trying to get Aces to work, taking 2 boards to the park only to ride my normal one after 5 minutes of failure on the new one?
It's like being married to a 9 out of 10 who is a great cook and super nice, but chasing 20 year old psycho stunners.
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@Sedition @Mbrimson88
Well, that settles that. Thank you
When the Doctors speak, you’d be a damned fool not to listen 8)
@Sedition @Mbrimson88
I done listened. (https://i.ibb.co/TBgXmqh/IMG-5117.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TBgXmqh)(https://i.ibb.co/w6LD4Kj/IMG-5114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w6LD4Kj)
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@Sedition @Mbrimson88
Well, that settles that. Thank you
When the Doctors speak, you’d be a damned fool not to listen 8)
I done listened. (https://i.ibb.co/TBgXmqh/IMG-5117.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TBgXmqh)(https://i.ibb.co/w6LD4Kj/IMG-5114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w6LD4Kj)
:) Enjoy!
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I've skated the same shape on Thunder 147, Venture 5.2 lo and Venture V-Light 5.2 hi back and forth over the past few weeks. 147 and V-Light hi on same wheels, lo on basically same wheel but a size down.
I'm shameful in all this fucking about. I'm not even good at skateboarding, but I do enjoy it a bunch.
5.2 los look so sick, and I wish I could channel some energy from some of the greats that looked so good on em. But alas, the wheelbite even with 51s and tightened up trucks is too vicious for me.
147s are newest for me. Standards, but I changed out the black washers and nuts for silver. They turn more/better than the 5.2 lo obviously, but I find em naturally tighter than other trucks I've ridden (Venture/Indy). If you are proper and sit on top of all yr nose/tailslides, the short baseplate shouldn't be an issue. For me, it is with 99a wheels and metal-edge skatepark ledges sometimes. I should just do my tricks better.
The 5.2 V-Light hi are my favorite trucks after all this experimentation. Definitely make yr nose and tail feel/effectively shorter and tightening the front two nuts is annoying as fuck (just started taking the hangers off when setting up a new board lmao)
I broke my popping leg real bad as a child and I'd notice with Indy I'd sometimes veer a bit right before popping probably due to my foot being a lil crooked from that. You can ride Ventures pretty loose while still being really stable for the pop. Yes they don't turn as loosely goosey as Indy or even Thunder, but I feel like I land more tricks on Ventures.
But I realized that I've never skated the 5.2 hi on cast baseplates......
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I have the way out of madness if you would like some pointers. But if you enjoy the swapping do your thing!
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How do I clean my grip if I don’t have grip gum?
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How do I clean my grip if I don’t have grip gum?
Hit it with an open palm and then use a broom.
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
I have heard the 8.38 (green) eagle measures around 8.5 so it might be a little more doable than the standard 8.38 if you like hot rodding.
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
8.38 with 159 sounds like a nightmare to me.
hewitt skated the 8.38 eagle with 159s.
on an entirely different plane of skateboard existence, i skated an 8.38 generic generator shape, on 6.1 ventures, and loved it. i really liked the stability, and pop. eventually i stopped with the 6.1s, because first and foremost, i am a very old baby, and the setup was too heavy for the skating that i do the most(bad/slow flatground flip trick attempts), this big setup didn’t make the most sense. but, for hills, and ollie/nollie stuff, the setup was great.
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If you know, what other BBS brands have (a) 8.5 / 14.5 WB, (2) mellow kicks, (3) shape similar to the 8.5 Black Label?
* As per Darkpools, Fakie nollie and others, this was my take.
Yeah there sure are lots in that same or very similar shape of the 8.5 x 32.3 given or take a bit in each measurement per different board company, 14.5 wb with 7 or so nose and 6.7 or so tail. Quite a lot even have the length listed as 32 even, but they all line up the same to me.
The most annoying thing is with actually finding a mellow board, given they have multiples per press and different presses, some steeper some more mellow, because even some of the same board that I have bought, I can sort them into the steeper ones I usually sell right away, the middle range I may or may not skate or the mellow boards, which I squirrel away like they are the last of those kind on earth.
Examples of this include older stock I have from Passport, Baker, Birdhouse, Deathwish, Element (before they changed) and a few others, especially Element though, which I always blank but they are just so comfrotable for me.
Boards from Loser Machine, Isle, Alltimers, Killing Floor, some Magenta, some Passport and some Generator blanks were all middle of the road.
Boards more recently from Black Label, Cash Only, some Magenta, some Passport and a few Generator boards for skate shops / blanks were all too steep for me to be comfortable on, but others I know have loved them and they held up well.
I don't want to just list the woodshop thread with the BBS and highlight all the boards there that I have that are that shape, or at least were, because some have changed now, others seem to have gone with shorter versions, etc.
There sure are a lot from that list though.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729103#msg3729103
Others I think are the same from looking online but I have not seen in person include 151, ATM, Frog, Sci Fi (Generator sticker on it) but also all the shop boards that use Generator for their wood, as well as those smaller brands that seem to slip under the radar.
Shop board post here too:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729105#msg3729105
If you can make it in somewhere to look at or stand on a lot of boards, all good and well, but if you can't for whatever reason, it is often way more of a roll of the dice to try to find the good boards that are most comfortable. I don't think anyone specifically has mellow boards from that list, or at least not any that will compare to DLX with a IV stamp.
Thanks bud! Gonna do some digging and see what i can find here :)
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
I love the DLX 8.38 14.5wb shape on 149s
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Im on the 8.75 ah eagle right now and want to go down a little in width as the setup is pretty hefty.
Problem is that i like some extra length as im tall.
Anyone got recommendations for longer 8.5 decks with 14.5+ wb?
The 8.38 ah eagle dims seems doable for me, but will it fit indy 159 trucks?
chandler burton shapes from there skateboards
almost always 8.5 and range from 32.5-32.625 long
and wheelbases between 14.5-14.69
should fit 159s perfectly imo
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I just switched from Ace Classic 66s to Indy 215s on my Mutant shape and I love them.
The grind is a lot better and the more truck the better. But somehow I fell like my BS Nosepicks got a lot worse. I freaked out the other day cause I couldn't do them anymore on the big quarter at my local and now it is stuck in my head, that I might should switch back to Aces to relearn Nosepicks.
It is so weird how you head can dictate certain shit
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I have 4 pairs of LRAB’s right now. 3 VM001’s and a VM002. Two on ice for skating, one I’m currently skating and one as a chiller. I really hope I don’t wake up and hate this shoe one morning.
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My madness has been dormant for a long time. It's kind of...fluttering...right now. I'm toying with grabbing one of those 8.38/14.38 Black Label decks...mostly out of curiosity. 14.38 is my jam, but I normally don't like (a) steepness of Label kicks (Label kicks can be a tad long, too), and (b) "in-between" sizes (e.g. 8.1, 8.3, 8.4, 8.6, etc.).
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Aren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.
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Aren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.
Label is BBS, but their kicks are always on the steep side. DLX does have that 8.5/14.38, but per that other thread they are not as easy to come by on a regular basis, plus I really dislike the nose/tail shape on that DLX deck...too roundy-pointy for me. The Label 8.25/14.25 and 8.5/14.5 have the exact shape I love (same as DLX 8.25/14.38, and DLX 8.75/14.62). If I get it, hoping the 8.38 is also their "standard cut," which I love.
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Aren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.
Label is BBS, but their kicks are always on the steep side. DLX does have that 8.5/14.38, but per that other thread they are not as easy to come by on a regular basis, plus I really dislike the nose/tail shape on that DLX deck...too roundy-pointy for me. The Label 8.25/14.25 and 8.5/14.5 have the exact shape I love (same as DLX 8.25/14.38, and DLX 8.75/14.62). If I get it, hoping the 8.38 is also their "standard cut," which I love.
The Omar 8.38 board was always a little different - got one here, longer than others, so definitely not a standard BBS / Generator shape.
I see some of the other bigger boards are also different, eg the 9 has a 14.5 wb, which I am yet to see, but keen to try, but not if they are still super steep / extra concave like the others I got recently in the 8.5 x 32.3 with 14.5 wb. To note, their older boards I bought a while back have a way more normal concave and feel to them, so I wonder if something changed, or they got whatever was on offer, or specifically requested steeper boards.
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/
Also noticed that a lot of the team boards all come in multiple sizes now as well, some pro boards too, eg the Omar board with the 8.38 and a couple of others:
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/product/omar-hassan-s-o-s-8-38-8-625-9-0
Listed as 8.38” x 32.5” 14.38” wheelbase, but I don't think it was quite that long.
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Aren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.
Label is BBS, but their kicks are always on the steep side. DLX does have that 8.5/14.38, but per that other thread they are not as easy to come by on a regular basis, plus I really dislike the nose/tail shape on that DLX deck...too roundy-pointy for me. The Label 8.25/14.25 and 8.5/14.5 have the exact shape I love (same as DLX 8.25/14.38, and DLX 8.75/14.62). If I get it, hoping the 8.38 is also their "standard cut," which I love.
The Omar 8.38 board was always a little different - got one here, longer than others, so definitely not a standard BBS / Generator shape.
I see some of the other bigger boards are also different, eg the 9 has a 14.5 wb, which I am yet to see, but keen to try, but not if they are still super steep / extra concave like the others I got recently in the 8.5 x 32.3 with 14.5 wb. To note, their older boards I bought a while back have a way more normal concave and feel to them, so I wonder if something changed, or they got whatever was on offer, or specifically requested steeper boards.
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/
Also noticed that a lot of the team boards all come in multiple sizes now as well, some pro boards too, eg the Omar board with the 8.38 and a couple of others:
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/product/omar-hassan-s-o-s-8-38-8-625-9-0
Listed as 8.38” x 32.5” 14.38” wheelbase, but I don't think it was quite that long.
Yeah, I've noticed the 8.38 Label is always listed as longer than their other (popsicle) decks. I also noticed they have some 8.75" listed as 14.5, and some as 14.75. I've wondered if that is accurate, or a typo and they are all 14.75. They otherwise seem to follow the pattern of 8.25/14.25, 8.38/14.38, 8.5/14.5, 8.62/14.62, 8.75/14.75.
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Aren't Label decks the generic BBS decks? My shop always has them and Uma, Alltimers, and a few other brands on the sale rack so I've skated a ton of them and the 8.5 shape.
DLX and Sci-Fi have an 8.5x14.38 shape but the nose is quite long.
Label is BBS, but their kicks are always on the steep side. DLX does have that 8.5/14.38, but per that other thread they are not as easy to come by on a regular basis, plus I really dislike the nose/tail shape on that DLX deck...too roundy-pointy for me. The Label 8.25/14.25 and 8.5/14.5 have the exact shape I love (same as DLX 8.25/14.38, and DLX 8.75/14.62). If I get it, hoping the 8.38 is also their "standard cut," which I love.
The Omar 8.38 board was always a little different - got one here, longer than others, so definitely not a standard BBS / Generator shape.
I see some of the other bigger boards are also different, eg the 9 has a 14.5 wb, which I am yet to see, but keen to try, but not if they are still super steep / extra concave like the others I got recently in the 8.5 x 32.3 with 14.5 wb. To note, their older boards I bought a while back have a way more normal concave and feel to them, so I wonder if something changed, or they got whatever was on offer, or specifically requested steeper boards.
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/
Also noticed that a lot of the team boards all come in multiple sizes now as well, some pro boards too, eg the Omar board with the 8.38 and a couple of others:
https://www.blacklabelskates.com/product/omar-hassan-s-o-s-8-38-8-625-9-0
Listed as 8.38” x 32.5” 14.38” wheelbase, but I don't think it was quite that long.
Yeah, I've noticed the 8.38 Label is always listed as longer than their other (popsicle) decks. I also noticed they have some 8.75" listed as 14.5, and some as 14.75. I've wondered if that is accurate, or a typo and they are all 14.75. They otherwise seem to follow the pattern of 8.25/14.25, 8.38/14.38, 8.5/14.5, 8.62/14.62, 8.75/14.75.
I have older Label boards that are bigger and longer, so at some point, the dimensions changed so they shortened the bigger boards down to a more common 14.5 wb. Someone had one and said it definitely was 14.5 and not 14.75 or so as per one I have.
I still feel like I need to see the boards in person though, which is why I haven't bought any more, as no one really has them locally here.
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...as no one really has them locally here.
"Never bought. Never sold."
I think that not only applies to Lucero's bid'ness model (re "selling out"), but also to their market demand. LOL. Label is indeed the "smallest big company." Not many places carry them, and I hardly ever see them in the wild...which is a sham because they are a rad company, and always have been.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Switch to Ventures, stay awake, stop the madness.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Don’t do it. Aces turn. Thunders don’t. Plus, that Thunder baseplate thing.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Don’t do it. Aces turn. Thunders don’t. Plus, that Thunder baseplate thing.
Having ridden Destructo, Thunder, Indy, Ace and Venture in the recent years I can easily say that Thunders are the worst of the lot.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Switch to Ventures, stay awake, stop the madness.
Ventures are definitely not for me, got a set months ago and God I hated them.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Just buy them. Buy the thunders on the discount and find out if you hate them or not.
Then you won’t live your life with regret and think to yourself as you’re snuggled in bed in 50 years, unable to skate anymore, “I really wish I took that one chance to ride Thunders.”
Then if you hate them, you can stoke out some kid at the skatepark on the worst trucks you’ve ever seen in your life.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Then you won’t live your life with regret and think to yourself as you’re snuggled in bed in 50 years, unable to skate anymore, “I really wish I took that one chance to ride Thunders.”
Then if you hate them, you can stoke out some kid at the skatepark on the worst trucks you’ve ever seen in your life.
^ He does make good points.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Then you won’t live your life with regret and think to yourself as you’re snuggled in bed in 50 years, unable to skate anymore, “I really wish I took that one chance to ride Thunders.”
Then if you hate them, you can stoke out some kid at the skatepark on the worst trucks you’ve ever seen in your life.
^ He does make good points.
Agree but no way in hell I'm giving away crap. With that being said I already ordered and worst case scenario I can sell them to a homie for a good price.
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Then you won’t live your life with regret and think to yourself as you’re snuggled in bed in 50 years, unable to skate anymore, “I really wish I took that one chance to ride Thunders.”
Then if you hate them, you can stoke out some kid at the skatepark on the worst trucks you’ve ever seen in your life.
^ He does make good points.
I just did the same as you, just with Ventures as i already did try out some thunders.
There’s so much product I haven’t tried but am very curious about. It’s probably highly likely hindering any progress that I have 3 somewhat different boards set up, with every dimension being different.
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i was riding indys till 2020 then switched to thunders in January of 2021, (which i think are my fav) but then switched to Ace's beginning of 22' then went to Venture in February of this year. Im the type of person that sets up something new, instantly hates it, orders some new shit but then get used to whatever i disliked then stick with it for awhile.
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Sounds like truck long Covid you have….
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i was riding indys till 2020 then switched to thunders in January of 2021, (which i think are my fav) but then switched to Ace's beginning of 22' then went to Venture in February of this year. Im the type of person that sets up something new, instantly hates it, orders some new shit but then get used to whatever i disliked then stick with it for awhile.
are you the real dirty dan?
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I went grind king, venture, krux, venture, indy, ace, venture and now on thunders. I don't think Ill ever switch from thunders. Wheel bite and not being able to turn were the bane of my existence for too long. I BELIEVE I have found my happy medium.
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I went grind king, venture, krux, venture, indy, ace, venture and now on thunders. I don't think Ill ever switch from thunders. Wheel bite and not being able to turn were the bane of my existence for too long. I BELIEVE I have found my happy medium.
I've always thought Forged Indys were the perfect "middle ground" truck. Not too high. Not too low. Longer WB than Ace, not as long as Venture (same with turn). Middle ground pinch. Middle ground weight. Those are the happy medium for me.
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happy medium.
I believe you will find that with Thace.... at least I hope I will. T2s........ ;)
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Madness hit. Want Thunders badly, I've been on Ace for like 2 years but you know the drill...
Also it doesn't help that I have a good discount on them.
Don’t do it. Aces turn. Thunders don’t. Plus, that Thunder baseplate thing.
I switched from AF1 to thunders and think they turn fine. Baseplate doesn’t bother me either. Crazy how subjective skate gear can be.
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I grew up with Thunders. Switched to Indys for a few years. Now back on Thunders. But with Indy bushings. Everything feels good. I actually like the Thunder baseplate more for Noseslides, maybe because I learned them on Thunders back then. Skateboarding is weird sometimes.
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I went grind king, venture, krux, venture, indy, ace, venture and now on thunders. I don't think Ill ever switch from thunders. Wheel bite and not being able to turn were the bane of my existence for too long. I BELIEVE I have found my happy medium.
I've always thought Forged Indys were the perfect "middle ground" truck. Not too high. Not too low. Longer WB than Ace, not as long as Venture (same with turn). Middle ground pinch. Middle ground weight. Those are the happy medium for me.
I've always hated Forged Indys. They have more wheelbite than normal, don't equate to as much pop for me, and the sometimes feel too light and squirrely. I wheelbite less on Thunders, which are lower and some people think have more bite. I want to like the concept of Forged Indys but every time I have ridden them they just feel off. I actually think AF1 are what I want forged Indys to be except that I have to 100% run harder bushings in them.
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I went grind king, venture, krux, venture, indy, ace, venture and now on thunders. I don't think Ill ever switch from thunders. Wheel bite and not being able to turn were the bane of my existence for too long. I BELIEVE I have found my happy medium.
I've always thought Forged Indys were the perfect "middle ground" truck. Not too high. Not too low. Longer WB than Ace, not as long as Venture (same with turn). Middle ground pinch. Middle ground weight. Those are the happy medium for me.
I've always hated Forged Indys. They have more wheelbite than normal, don't equate to as much pop for me, and the sometimes feel too light and squirrely. I wheelbite less on Thunders, which are lower and some people think have more bite. I want to like the concept of Forged Indys but every time I have ridden them they just feel off. I actually think AF1 are what I want forged Indys to be except that I have to 100% run harder bushings in them.
HA! Says the guy who hates the DLX 8.25! :) We clearly have very different tastes. ;)
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I want to like both so badly. The 8.25 comes in the best graphics and every shop everywhere has several in stock at all times.
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I want to like both so badly. The 8.25 comes in the best graphics and every shop everywhere has several in stock at all times.
The 8.25 boards have always been on the shorter mold, so they tend to be steeper as well, when compared to something like the 8.38 boards which seem to be way less steep overall when comparing any number of each of them. Maybe finding boards with IV on top could help if they feel too quick in the kicks, or riding trucks with shorter wheelbases, even if you are not a fan of Indy, as per previous comments.
I know how much that 8.25 does work well on any Indy trucks, as I have one myself, but it is personal opinion and if something doesn't work for you, there is no point trying to struggle with it, just to have it make life harder every time you step on a board. I did also have it set up on Thunders and even tried it on Ventures just to see, but prefer Indy for the wheelbase.
Another 8.25 Full, not SE with 14.5 wb I put Ace trucks on and it worked well enough too, but that is a different board again.
Probably doesn't count so much for me though, as I have almost one of everything set up in some form or another, just to see what they are like and to let people skate them if they are not sure of what a board shape or mix of brands / parts might feel like.
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)
and then back again.
every post i make should be in this thread
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I have shoe madness right now. I’m currently skating NB 440 V1 with heel slip issues. I hate the new N on the v2’s.
Every new shoe I’ve tried I don’t like or they don’t fit me right, it’s a bummer.
End rant.
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)
and then back again.
every post i make should be in this thread
Everyone bounces between "this is my perfect setup and I will never change anything ever again" to "maybe I need another mm of height with credit card risers and maybe go Indy conical bottom with Bones top bushing".
There is no cure.
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)
and then back again.
every post i make should be in this thread
Everyone bounces between "this is my perfect setup and I will never change anything ever again" to "maybe I need another mm of height with credit card risers and maybe go Indy conical bottom with Bones top bushing".
There is no cure.
100% agree. Related reading: Michael Easter's The Scarcity Brain. Current stage of western market economy plays our minds like slot machines. Maybe there's MORE fun skating if I try (ie. buy) that combination?
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* Given this is the gear madness thread, finding something that works or staying away from something that doesn't work is the main thing, but of course sometimes you just want to see what this shape or that truck is like, especially with all the people talking about this and that on Slap.
This entire thread has helped both abate, and exacerbate, my Madness. :)
and then back again.
every post i make should be in this thread
Everyone bounces between "this is my perfect setup and I will never change anything ever again" to "maybe I need another mm of height with credit card risers and maybe go Indy conical bottom with Bones top bushing".
There is no cure.
That's the absolute truth, maybe the only cure is to delete Slap from your life.