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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: RoaryMcTwang on October 04, 2022, 11:29:23 PM
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Vote and justify yourself
I say Sour because of Gustav but it's close
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Have you even meet Björn or Pontus? Or any of the riders?
Of so, you will always say Sour.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ
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Based on what should we rank them?
Tinder ELO score of their teamriders?
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it depends.
- videos: sour
- decks: polar
- softgoods: polar and sour (but currently it's more leaning towards sour as polar stuff has become incredibly expensive)
- team: polar and sour
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Polar because it is a much bigger brand and have a better reach. Sour is cool though! The new Polar video is perhaps their best to this day. And also Hjalte.
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Polar don't do drugs sour don't have sex
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Polar cuz they use BBS and Sour uses HLC. I like Polar graphics better also. Overall it seems that Polar produces better quality and more thought out stuff than Sour. I like the Sour team a lot and the videos are great. I would like to support the brand I just never find anything worth buying from them.
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clearly, the actual best euro board brand is jart
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polar cause of shin
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it depends.
- videos: sour
- decks: polar
- softgoods: polar and sour (but currently it's more leaning towards sour as polar stuff has become incredibly expensive)
- team: polar and sour
yeah i have never really heard anyone hype up Sour decks but Polar decks definintely stand on their own
I thought the Polar video was great, but i have a low attention span so it was a big too long for me, so i liked the sour video better.
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Tom Snape = Sour for the win
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sour narrowly winning on everything except merch
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clearly, the actual best euro board brand is jart
Clearly you have forgotten all about Trap.
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Tom Snape = Sour for the win
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Sour boards are amazingly horrible shaped, never seen a decent one
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It's a complete tossup. I love like half of each of their teams. I guess polar uses better wood and makes better clothes. Sours team and videos might be better though. I guess cumulatively I'd have to go with polar since they're the total package. If sour made better products and had some transition talent this choice would be near impossible for me.
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It's a complete tossup. I love like half of each of their teams. I guess polar uses better wood and makes better clothes. Sours team and videos might be better though. I guess cumulatively I'd have to go with polar since they're the total package. If sour made better products and had some transition talent this choice would be near impossible for me.
martin's got some pretty sick transition skills. there was an ad of him doing 180 fakie 5-0 over a channel on a gnarly qp with pool coping.
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Solar
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Polar Solutions
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Polar
HD > VX
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It's a complete tossup. I love like half of each of their teams. I guess polar uses better wood and makes better clothes. Sours team and videos might be better though. I guess cumulatively I'd have to go with polar since they're the total package. If sour made better products and had some transition talent this choice would be near impossible for me.
martin's got some pretty sick transition skills. there was an ad of him doing 180 fakie 5-0 over a channel on a gnarly qp with pool coping.
And I'm sure gustav would put together an insane mini ramp part, but I'm talking serious transition skill/specialization like oski/shin
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It’s Sour for me. The team aligns more with my skating than Polar does.
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It’s Sour for me. The team aligns more with my skating than Polar does.
If that's the criteria then I would pick sour too. I went polar because i was trying to be objective lol.
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Andy Anderson
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beatrice
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abTTtyAPeN4&t=2231s
<3
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Overall I'd say Polar since it feels like more of a complete brand/there's more effort going into it. I absolutely adore the Sour team and the videos they put out, but the brand itself is very much like Sk8Mafia. Great crew, but their brand identity/art is basically non-existent. They just shit out decks with the logo on it and call it a day.
My main gripe with Polar though is that I always want nearly everything from their drops, but I can't really justify it because of the price.
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Overall I'd say Polar since it feels like more of a complete brand/there's more effort going into it. I absolutely adore the Sour team and the videos they put out, but the brand itself is very much like Sk8Mafia. Great crew, but their brand identity/art is basically non-existent. They just shit out decks with the logo on it and call it a day.
My main gripe with Polar though is that I always want nearly everything from their drops, but I can't really justify it because of the price.
Very good analogy.
Are polars softgoods worth the premium? I don't own any $120 pants, but i have bought $50 tees and $100 sweaters from DIME and havent regretted it.
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Polar because of Hjalte Halberg.
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Rode both, can't say I'd have a preference for either/or and have stickers from both brands on my car if that means anything.
These days I'm far more hyped on Sour's videos/team but both make good merch, so I'll give it to Sour at the moment.
Now if we are talking SOTS era Pontus, that's a different story...
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Polar because of Hjalte Halberg. and Dane Brady.
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It’s Sour for me. The team aligns more with my skating than Polar does.
If that's the criteria then I would pick sour too. I went polar because i was trying to be objective lol.
I do think Polar is more cohesive as a brand. Their boards, art direction, and soft goods are all superior and I prefer HD over VX. The team covers a lot of different styles of skating. Sour is more homogenous and the boards are kinda just meh. The videos are straightforward and traditionally edited while Polar edits are way more creative, almost telling a narrative. But above all of these things the Sour team still wins. It's all about the team for me. I've rewatched all the Sour videos. I own ILIHIMMPDWMTT and I've watched it once. I've only rewatched Hjalte's part from the new video.
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It’s Sour for me. The team aligns more with my skating than Polar does.
If that's the criteria then I would pick sour too. I went polar because i was trying to be objective lol.
I do think Polar is more cohesive as a brand. Their boards, art direction, and soft goods are all superior and I prefer HD over VX. The team covers a lot of different styles of skating. Sour is more homogenous and the boards are kinda just meh. The videos are straightforward and traditionally edited while Polar edits are way more creative, almost telling a narrative. But above all of these things the Sour team still wins. It's all about the team for me. I've rewatched all the Sour videos. I own ILIHIMMPDWMTT and I've watched it once. I've only rewatched Hjalte's part from the new video.
I legitimately want to know how long it took you to type that out
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It’s Sour for me. The team aligns more with my skating than Polar does.
If that's the criteria then I would pick sour too. I went polar because i was trying to be objective lol.
I do think Polar is more cohesive as a brand. Their boards, art direction, and soft goods are all superior and I prefer HD over VX. The team covers a lot of different styles of skating. Sour is more homogenous and the boards are kinda just meh. The videos are straightforward and traditionally edited while Polar edits are way more creative, almost telling a narrative. But above all of these things the Sour team still wins. It's all about the team for me. I've rewatched all the Sour videos. I own ILIHIMMPDWMTT and I've watched it once. I've only rewatched Hjalte's part from the new video.
I legitimately want to know how long it took you to type that out
At least 60 seconds, I had to think it through. One thing I really dislike about Polar are the pretentiously long video titles. Sour Solutions II just rolls off the tongue way better.
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It’s Sour for me. The team aligns more with my skating than Polar does.
If that's the criteria then I would pick sour too. I went polar because i was trying to be objective lol.
I do think Polar is more cohesive as a brand. Their boards, art direction, and soft goods are all superior and I prefer HD over VX. The team covers a lot of different styles of skating. Sour is more homogenous and the boards are kinda just meh. The videos are straightforward and traditionally edited while Polar edits are way more creative, almost telling a narrative. But above all of these things the Sour team still wins. It's all about the team for me. I've rewatched all the Sour videos. I own ILIHIMMPDWMTT and I've watched it once. I've only rewatched Hjalte's part from the new video.
I legitimately want to know how long it took you to type that out
At least 60 seconds, I had to think it through. One thing I really dislike about Polar are the pretentiously long video titles. Sour Solutions II just rolls off the tongue way better.
Just call them like it, blew it and crushing it
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Polar cuz they use BBS and Sour uses HLC. I like Polar graphics better also. Overall it seems that Polar produces better quality and more thought out stuff than Sour. I like the Sour team a lot and the videos are great. I would like to support the brand I just never find anything worth buying from them.
Nail hit on the head. Sour's art direction for the logo and graphics aren't actually a million miles from Jart tbh. As someone who's been kind of in and out of the skate world for a past few years it took me a while to actually get behind Sour because of the name and logo, it wasn't until a mate got me to watch one of the videos to make me realise it wasn't a scandi Jart.
But yeah to put it bluntly as an adult I'm not gonna wear a shirt that says Sour cause I just think it's a bit eugh. I'm also still a believer that Polar was one of the driving forces that flipped skateboarding on it's head and made the 2010s a whole lot cooler for skateboarding. I'm not sure there would be a Sour without Polar, and if there was I doubt it'd be as successful or cool.
Vincent Huhta is the truth though and Sour's videos are great.
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I rode both. Polar was a bit more nice because I love the BBS shapes. The Sour decks were fine but their shapes are a bit confusing. Shape wise, I like Magenta the most but that is another topic. I like all those teams videos and riders. Polar has the more interesting shapes and the woodshop I like the most. I neither own softgoods from Polar or Sour but I have a few things from Magenta.
I have a Polar 8.25 upcoming next and if I like that more as my current Magenta deck, I will stay with Polar.
But if Sour decks in Europe would be BBS... Damn
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Oh yeah, forgot in my first post: Polar is one of the only brands where their hats fit my giant dome without looking goofy. That along with Hjalte makes them the winner.
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almost or zero?
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Overall I'd say Polar since it feels like more of a complete brand/there's more effort going into it. I absolutely adore the Sour team and the videos they put out, but the brand itself is very much like Sk8Mafia. Great crew, but their brand identity/art is basically non-existent. They just shit out decks with the logo on it and call it a day.
My main gripe with Polar though is that I always want nearly everything from their drops, but I can't really justify it because of the price.
Very good analogy.
Are polars softgoods worth the premium? I don't own any $120 pants, but i have bought $50 tees and $100 sweaters from DIME and havent regretted it.
imo they are worth the premium price. All of Polar's clothes are made in Europe, either in Portugal or Poland, and the quality that you are paying for includes people being paid living wages who are making the clothes, as well as ethically sourced materials , and a higher overall quality garment.
Dime is similar in that most of their clothes are made in Canada, but they do use China and other places to get items made as well. I've noticed a huge quality difference in the stuff I've got from Dime that was made in Canada vs what is made in China though unfortunately.
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mfs will say anything to justify getting waxed on skate clothes
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Polar Solutions
Solar Pollution
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(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/58ed63a89de4bb85a08027a2/1493774719737-2EP8E23M2NC6J84VZKGU/HIGH+RES+LOGO.png)
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the one with the peepee pants
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mfs will say anything to justify getting waxed on skate clothes
I do work at a skate shop and have never paid full price for any piece of Polar clothing that I've owned. So maybe my perspective would be different if I was paying full price for shit .
I still stand by what I said though, Polar and Magenta use better factories / methods for making their clothes, and what comes of that is higher priced, but more quality clothing, compared to other brands just manufacturing in China.
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I've been watching the Sour Files lately and am very stoked on them.
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I was thinking about this question while watching the new Polar video and it is deffinitely a hard one. I like more the polar boards (better wood, better graphics and i quess better shapes), both brands have sick videos i enjoy equally, but i prefer the sour team. I don't buy expensive soft goods so i don't care about this. Overall i think Polar would get more points so i vote Polar.
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sour. I like sour more by any metric.
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the fuck kinda question is this? polar
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Cliché before dwindle
Also Fred Gall
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Palace 😈😈😈
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Overall I'd say Polar since it feels like more of a complete brand/there's more effort going into it. I absolutely adore the Sour team and the videos they put out, but the brand itself is very much like Sk8Mafia. Great crew, but their brand identity/art is basically non-existent. They just shit out decks with the logo on it and call it a day.
My main gripe with Polar though is that I always want nearly everything from their drops, but I can't really justify it because of the price.
Are polars softgoods worth the premium? I don't own any $120 pants, but i have bought $50 tees and $100 sweaters from DIME and havent regretted it.
Dime is similar in that most of their clothes are made in Canada, but they do use China and other places to get items made as well. I've noticed a huge quality difference in the stuff I've got from Dime that was made in Canada vs what is made in China though unfortunately.
SOUR softgood-stuff is also largely made in europe, either spain, portugal or hungary.
i really liked all of the sour decks i had. they're very good, and come at a solid price in europe. but shape- and wood-wise i prefer polar boards over them.
i'm honestly surprised that people really compare jart's graphics to sour's graphics, which are well-thought out, clever, funny, sarcastic/ironical, and original. these are by all means parameters completely absent in jart's graphical output.
(http://www.skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/1_86373.jpg)
exhibit A
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sour <3
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I like both and skated decks from both companies, Polar 8.125 shape is very similar to Sour 8.18 shape.
Sour has Gustav and Snape so it is Sour for me.
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almost impossible to choose, but Pontus featured his penis in the early movies, so I have to give extra points for that!
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I love the Sour videos (especially Solution II), but they are not better than the Polar videos.
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Overall I'd say Polar since it feels like more of a complete brand/there's more effort going into it. I absolutely adore the Sour team and the videos they put out, but the brand itself is very much like Sk8Mafia. Great crew, but their brand identity/art is basically non-existent. They just shit out decks with the logo on it and call it a day.
My main gripe with Polar though is that I always want nearly everything from their drops, but I can't really justify it because of the price.
I dunno sounds like you haven't really seen many Sour graphics, they can be a bit hit or miss but some of them are fucking incredible, definitely more on the low-effort, tongue-in-cheek side of things but saying 'They just shit out decks with the logo on it and call it a day' is definitely not true especially in relation to Polar's tried and tested format of 'get Jacob Ovgren to draw something' which seems to be getting progressively more lazy
TBH tho, I don't even really see the point in comparing the two brands they're at pretty opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to pretty much everything.
However, I don't remember Pontus walking round dressed as Jesus and handing out spliffs at the Polar premiere so I'm gonna have to pick Sour
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I’ve met both boss dudes, I prefer Gustav over Pontus so Sour it is.
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RDS or Dime? ;D
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Haven’t skated a Sour board before, and have only been so so on the Polars I’ve skated in the past (all their wheelbases are too long for my liking). I barely own any skate soft goods, so really it comes down to the team and videos for me…
Sour videos are chock full of absolutely insane and diverse maneuvers on incredible and unique spots with top tier filming. VX & MK-1/4:3 aspect ratio is always, always, always going to proper.
Polar videos have a deep narrative aspect and rather than lure you in with a “wow factor”, they confront you with the essence of skateboarding, which is not easy to do while maintaining every other aspect of skate videos we have come to expect.
I’m grateful for both.
Might have to go Polar just because of Gustav’s haircut though. Can you imagine if he skated for Polar tho? Wow.
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I just looked at Sour's graphics. They not as bad as people making them out to be. (I dig them).
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/4958/0960/products/SOUR-FA22-013-014-015_540x.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/4958/0960/products/SOUR-FA22-005-006_540x.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/4958/0960/products/SOUR-FA22-003_540x.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/4958/0960/products/SOUR-FA22-001_540x.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/4958/0960/products/martin-bottom_d0f67822-1092-4550-ae5c-4526f6203071_540x.jpg)
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Polar's years are ahead of Sour Solution and I'm not even talking about skateboarding itself, both crews are sick and make awesome skate content.
-Polar's garments are great, 240gms t-shirts, great denim and stuff. Everything sustainably sourced, made in Portugal or Poland, which I think most Americans don't give a damn about (let's be honest Alltimers, Quartersnacks and Bronze 56k are great, but the quality in their clothes is not is worth the price).
-Polar decks are made in BBS while Sour is made in HLC Spain. BBS decks are the best decks, but I think paying 60 euros for an HLC deck is pretty good.
- Graphically speaking, I think Polar has a stronger and more attractive identity. Sour has some good graphics, but some are pure rubbish.
I see a lot of potential in Sour if they focused on better quality clothing rather than Gildan/Aliexpress stuff, accompanied by better art direction. They have a great sense of humor for graphics, turning that into graphic pieces would be very marketable. Keeping the HLC decks is good for the brand as it makes the whole fucking thing more accessible. The crew is solid, the videos are insanely good. I didn't want to see them become a european Real.
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Polar cuz they use BBS and Sour uses HLC. I like Polar graphics better also. Overall it seems that Polar produces better quality and more thought out stuff than Sour. I like the Sour team a lot and the videos are great. I would like to support the brand I just never find anything worth buying from them.
Nail hit on the head. Sour's art direction for the logo and graphics aren't actually a million miles from Jart tbh. As someone who's been kind of in and out of the skate world for a past few years it took me a while to actually get behind Sour because of the name and logo, it wasn't until a mate got me to watch one of the videos to make me realise it wasn't a scandi Jart.
But yeah to put it bluntly as an adult I'm not gonna wear a shirt that says Sour cause I just think it's a bit eugh. I'm also still a believer that Polar was one of the driving forces that flipped skateboarding on it's head and made the 2010s a whole lot cooler for skateboarding. I'm not sure there would be a Sour without Polar, and if there was I doubt it'd be as successful or cool.
Vincent Huhta is the truth though and Sour's videos are great.
Wasn't sour created after some beef with Sweet skateboards?
Sweet already had a tad bit of traction and was going joint video projects with Sk8mafia
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I like both teams and their videos, never owned any of their boards or clothes. So the only deciding factor left for me is their brand names.. I think Polar as a company name sounds cool, and I think Sour sounds fucking dumb. Therefore, Polar.
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Sour has Gustav Tonnensen so SOUR.
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JB, Enrique, Larance, and William Phan would all fit Sour way better than Polar.
Sour.
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Simon's spot selection......
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I’ve met both boss dudes, I prefer Gustav over Pontus so Sour it is.
I don't think Gustav is the boss of Sour, but he is definitely the best one to watch from both teams.
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Passport is doper than both tbh.
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Why come we can’t have both?
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Passport is doper than both tbh.
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I like Passport too but wish they would stop using the dark brown stains and differentiate their art a bit. I feel it's been the same few series more or less for 3-4 years.
If Sour gets on BBS through Baker Boys in the US I will be super, super stoked. The one deck I had from them was meh and cracked on a front lipslide on a small ledge.
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I like Passport too but wish they would stop using the dark brown stains and differentiate their art a bit. I feel it's been the same few series more or less for 3-4 years.
If Sour gets on BBS through Baker Boys in the US I will be super, super stoked. The one deck I had from them was meh and cracked on a front lipslide on a small ledge.
Dark brown/green/purple top stains are the best.
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I like Passport too but wish they would stop using the dark brown stains and differentiate their art a bit. I feel it's been the same few series more or less for 3-4 years.
If Sour gets on BBS through Baker Boys in the US I will be super, super stoked. The one deck I had from them was meh and cracked on a front lipslide on a small ledge.
Dark brown/green/purple top stains are the best.
Uh oh it's all splitting into two camps. Yellow is premium then pink then orange. Possibly had more pass port boards than any other brand now the graphics are usually nice at least rarely bad but I wish they'd do the wood veneer rather than solid painted colours sometimes. Like what polar does (altho maybe that's why they don't do it)
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Polar cuz they use BBS and Sour uses HLC. I like Polar graphics better also. Overall it seems that Polar produces better quality and more thought out stuff than Sour. I like the Sour team a lot and the videos are great. I would like to support the brand I just never find anything worth buying from them.
Nail hit on the head. Sour's art direction for the logo and graphics aren't actually a million miles from Jart tbh. As someone who's been kind of in and out of the skate world for a past few years it took me a while to actually get behind Sour because of the name and logo, it wasn't until a mate got me to watch one of the videos to make me realise it wasn't a scandi Jart.
But yeah to put it bluntly as an adult I'm not gonna wear a shirt that says Sour cause I just think it's a bit eugh. I'm also still a believer that Polar was one of the driving forces that flipped skateboarding on it's head and made the 2010s a whole lot cooler for skateboarding. I'm not sure there would be a Sour without Polar, and if there was I doubt it'd be as successful or cool.
Vincent Huhta is the truth though and Sour's videos are great.
Wasn't sour created after some beef with Sweet skateboards?
Sweet already had a tad bit of traction and was going joint video projects with Sk8mafia
This might actually be where my wires are crossed. I think I originally thought Sweet and Sour were affiliated, like sister companies or something, hence why I thought it was a dumpster fire of lame from the name to begin with… Still though sticking with a name that originated as some parody beef seems a but odd?
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Polar cuz they use BBS and Sour uses HLC. I like Polar graphics better also. Overall it seems that Polar produces better quality and more thought out stuff than Sour. I like the Sour team a lot and the videos are great. I would like to support the brand I just never find anything worth buying from them.
Nail hit on the head. Sour's art direction for the logo and graphics aren't actually a million miles from Jart tbh. As someone who's been kind of in and out of the skate world for a past few years it took me a while to actually get behind Sour because of the name and logo, it wasn't until a mate got me to watch one of the videos to make me realise it wasn't a scandi Jart.
But yeah to put it bluntly as an adult I'm not gonna wear a shirt that says Sour cause I just think it's a bit eugh. I'm also still a believer that Polar was one of the driving forces that flipped skateboarding on it's head and made the 2010s a whole lot cooler for skateboarding. I'm not sure there would be a Sour without Polar, and if there was I doubt it'd be as successful or cool.
Vincent Huhta is the truth though and Sour's videos are great.
Wasn't sour created after some beef with Sweet skateboards?
Sweet already had a tad bit of traction and was going joint video projects with Sk8mafia
This might actually be where my wires are crossed. I think I originally thought Sweet and Sour were affiliated, like sister companies or something, hence why I thought it was a dumpster fire of lame from the name to begin with… Still though sticking with a name that originated as some parody beef seems a but odd?
Sweet was bought by another person than the original owners and they progressively ran it into the ground.
SweetMafia was the last video they made before leaving and starting Sour ala Vision/Blind.
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I’ve never tried polar. The boards look like snowskates. Love sour boards though. Sour does single deck press so it’s the exact same shape and concave everytime. I can’t deal with buying the same deck and having the concave be drastically different.
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JB, Enrique, Larance, and William Phan would all fit Sour way better than Polar.
Sour.
Sour also did a few nods to Shawshank Redemption, a really funny Snakes on a Plane graphic, and a Rosemary’s Baby graphic so they win.
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When Lordz released They Don't Give a Fuck About Us over 20 years ago, who would have imagined that two brands from Europe would dominate contemporary skateboarding by being themselves rather than imitating what happens in the US.
Polar and Sour are keeping the full length alive and interesting.
The skaters are elevating not imitating what's happening in the rest of the world.
And the homages to skate history by both brands is keeping that history in circulation.
From where I live it's incredible that skate shops in regional Australian towns have big Polar stickers in the windows, friends rock up to spots in Sour decks, and no skater passes a loop in the built environment and doesn't hum the first few bars of Baker Street....and look around for Tyler Surrey with his hands on his head.
When you think about it, most of the things old timers (like me) love about skateboarding are being reimagined by two European brands.
And people love it.
Amazing times.
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Sour's graphics are like a way better version of Skate Mental. Polar is largely a few people's personal art. It's not really comparable. It's like buying a Baker logo board when you want some Gonz art.
As for stains, I can't sign off on yellow, natural, or dark brown, but it won't make me not buy a board.
As for concave variances I'm pretty anal when it comes to my decks being similar an at most you're talking 1/8" variances on average. I think when people get annoyed is when they religiously adhere to the DLX Roman numerals, which do not always follow the set pattern.
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Sour easily
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Seems like Polar wins it. I never had the chance to ride either brand's boards, so I said Sour purely based on my preference for people on the team, seems like the product pushes it Polar's way
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Sour Solution sounds like a Nu-metal band. I can’t get past those terrible names
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polar cause of shin
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I’ve met both boss dudes, I prefer Gustav over Pontus so Sour it is.
Gustav is not the owner. Björn is (or at leat the founder and CEO) - one of the original Sweet riders and one of the original Junkyard riders together with EJP. And me as well.
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Polar cuz they use BBS and Sour uses HLC. I like Polar graphics better also. Overall it seems that Polar produces better quality and more thought out stuff than Sour. I like the Sour team a lot and the videos are great. I would like to support the brand I just never find anything worth buying from them.
Nail hit on the head. Sour's art direction for the logo and graphics aren't actually a million miles from Jart tbh. As someone who's been kind of in and out of the skate world for a past few years it took me a while to actually get behind Sour because of the name and logo, it wasn't until a mate got me to watch one of the videos to make me realise it wasn't a scandi Jart.
But yeah to put it bluntly as an adult I'm not gonna wear a shirt that says Sour cause I just think it's a bit eugh. I'm also still a believer that Polar was one of the driving forces that flipped skateboarding on it's head and made the 2010s a whole lot cooler for skateboarding. I'm not sure there would be a Sour without Polar, and if there was I doubt it'd be as successful or cool.
Vincent Huhta is the truth though and Sour's videos are great.
Wasn't sour created after some beef with Sweet skateboards?
Sweet already had a tad bit of traction and was going joint video projects with Sk8mafia
Junkyard, the shop that created and operated Sweet, from this guy Thomas, was sold to a investment company that kicked the team off ( and basically offered Björn, who was a TM for Sweet at the time) to come back to Sweden and work in the warehouse. They said fuck no to that and started Sour with most of the kicked off Sweet dudes.
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Polar only because Gustav’s shape is so flat it’s unskatable for me