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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: alraunen on November 14, 2022, 08:40:12 AM
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https://instagram.com/slappytrucks
I haven't seen this posted yet, Sinclair's new truck brand. They're available in 8, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 and 9 with regular and inverted kingpin available in all sizes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CkMimubPOnm/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I see a mixture between Indy+Ace+Thunder. Doesn't look bad but I don't think they're bringing something new.
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I'll wait for the Ben Degros review
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Ruckus 2.0
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I try not to be immediately dismissive of new brands, but as far as the truck market goes I genuinely don't know what we're missing that anyone else would provide.
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I try not to be immediately dismissive of new brands, but as far as the truck market goes I genuinely don't know what we're missing that anyone else would provide.
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a silly name?
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I try not to be immediately dismissive of new brands, but as far as the truck market goes I genuinely don't know what we're missing that anyone else would provide.
Creeper batwing hangers with a tensor slide plate or gtfo
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I’ll bite. Unless they’re 100 bucks like Lurpivs lol
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My immediate reaction is to go to Alibaba and look to see if they match any.
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https://instagram.com/slappytrucks
I haven't seen this posted yet, Sinclair's new truck brand. They're available in 8, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 and 9 with inverted kingpins in all sizes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CkMimubPOnm/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I see a mixture between Indy+Ace+Thunder. Doesn't look bad but I don't think they're bringing something new.
I don't get it, are they IKP or no? That picture is clearly a standard kingpin. Maybe all sizes are available in both configurations?
Here’s one of the IKP model
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci0udS-PLXy/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY= (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci0udS-PLXy/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=)
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I have exactly zero interest in trying these out.
I still want to see the front of the hanger though.
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I know flim trucks are not big in the USA yet. However both philly shops carry them. Isn't slappy's kinda their thing?
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Well they don't look like ruckus. A tiny bit like industrials but not exactly. Got an independent looking hangar from the front and theeve above the kingpin. Baseplate is drilled like an Indy but square hole in middle like a thunder and theeve. Guess they're original
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I try not to be immediately dismissive of new brands, but as far as the truck market goes I genuinely don't know what we're missing that anyone else would provide.
Trucks have never been better and with more options readily available to suit any type of rider.
I wish them well, but both Ace and Indy have very heavily captured the niche "slappy" market.
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I have exactly zero interest in trying these out.
I still want to see the front of the hanger though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg3EKvVLrXL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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I have exactly zero interest in trying these out.
I still want to see the front of the hanger though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg3EKvVLrXL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I have exactly zero interest in trying these out.
I still want to see the front of the hanger though.
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I feel the name is not really doing it any favors. Feels like the name that would be on a bootleg Bobby Puleo or Koston board
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Pretty clean looking truck. Eastern will carry them when they drop. I’m willing to try a set.
Looks like they have a pack of bushings that come with both “soft” and “hard” bushings? Might be an easy way to dial them in without having to buy a bunch of different bushings.
https://www.slappytrucks.com/accessories
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"I finally got the truck to where I really like it, the main thing I wanted in a truck was for it to have the best grind clearance I could get without messing up the turn that I wanted. I also wanted the truck to be strong, light and have a classic look and feel."
I like how there will be ace, the new retro indy that looks like ace, and this slappy truck that looks like ace.
Probably really hard to tell the difference in clips or at all
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So this is a truck based on Sinclair's preferred turn and grind? Why should we trust what he wants in a skateboard truck - its been a minute since a Larry Perkins part dropped.
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Well, seeing as how the last high-profile experiment with starting a truck company from scratch was flawless, I’m sure this will be a resounding success
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looks like he has quite good distribution already, including canada which is a good sign these will last longer than lurpiv…
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No team tab on the site? C'mon sinclair
Maria Castle
Matt Bennett
Nick Kirch
Chino Maltese
Ryan Hamburg
Who else?
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They look too high for me but I'm all for it none the less.
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Slappy trucks and not a single slappy clip on their insta. ::)
My expectations are not high but who knows these days with even Royal putting out a truck that people really like.
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I feel the name is not really doing it any favors. Feels like the name that would be on a bootleg Bobby Puleo or Koston board
The cheap in house brand trucks that go on Alien Workshop trucks are called Xenia. I'm sure they're shit but using that name got me stoked.
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So, Theeve 4.0 without TI?
That is some serious grind clearance tho...
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looks like he has quite good distribution already, including canada which is a good sign these will last longer than lurpiv…
Mike is also deep in the industry which will probably help. Sure Oski’s very well known and a lot of people fuck with him, but I’m not sure he has the history with the industry or reach that mike does
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Certainly looks like twice the grind clearance as on the Indies. How high are those, weight, I need specs.
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"I finally got the truck to where I really like it, the main thing I wanted in a truck was for it to have the best grind clearance I could get without messing up the turn that I wanted. I also wanted the truck to be strong, light and have a classic look and feel."
I like how there will be ace, the new retro indy that looks like ace, and this slappy truck that looks like ace.
Probably really hard to tell the difference in clips or at all
links please
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"I finally got the truck to where I really like it, the main thing I wanted in a truck was for it to have the best grind clearance I could get without messing up the turn that I wanted. I also wanted the truck to be strong, light and have a classic look and feel."
I like how there will be ace, the new retro indy that looks like ace, and this slappy truck that looks like ace.
Probably really hard to tell the difference in clips or at all
links please
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.msg3866286#msg3866286
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0
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"I finally got the truck to where I really like it, the main thing I wanted in a truck was for it to have the best grind clearance I could get without messing up the turn that I wanted. I also wanted the truck to be strong, light and have a classic look and feel."
I like how there will be ace, the new retro indy that looks like ace, and this slappy truck that looks like ace.
Probably really hard to tell the difference in clips or at all
links please
(https://i.ibb.co/BrjG0Zr/DA15-A5-E9-3-B4-B-4-A09-9-A67-A4-A3-DEB18753.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xfGYxjf)
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"I've emptied all my accounts".
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i think mike sinclair lost his relevancy, no reason for me bc all ive ever known him is as a kotr tm
oski has a name & track record, mag lights have the lightness aspect. all this brand has is a quirky name
not gonna cop
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I've been riding the regular kingpin version for a few weeks, and so far they're great. Sure, these don't reinvent the wheel but they seem to take the most desirable attributes of the big four including amazing kingpin clearance, a turn that feels more swoopy like an Ace but resists wheelbite like Lurpivs did, they grind like a mix of af1s and Indy. Bushings sort of feel like Ace hards at first but loosen up nicely. QC seems to be on point also, they feel and look like top tier trucks should.
I don't feel compelled to change bushings or pivot cups like I have every other truck in the last 5 years which is a relief because my tendency to blame my equipment instead of myself for my lack of ability had gotten expensive.
I didn't measure or weigh them but they feel light but not too light. Pretty sure they are 53mm tall but again, I haven't measured them.
Tldr- they're good
And no, this isn't Sinclair.
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Any idea how they make your wheelbase sit? Is it super short like an ace, kinda normal like an indy or a lil longer like indy forged plate, or do they really push it out like a thunder or venture. I imagine more towards the former
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Without measurements I could be way off but they feel like they are in the honey hole between Indy standards and Ace AF1, wheelbase-wise.
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Without measurements I could be way off but they feel like they are in the honey hole between Indy standards and Ace AF1, wheelbase-wise.
Thanks, thats about what I would have guessed. So sounds like a lower indy standard with more kingpin clearance?
I'm not mad at that
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Any idea where they're made?
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Certainly looks like twice the grind clearance as on the Indies. How high are those, weight, I need specs.
My thought exactly. Kingpin clearance looks huge.
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I don't get why people are shitting on this brand/idea but welcomed Lurpiv with open arms. If the QC is better than ACE it seems like it could be a great truck if you don't want to ride Indys for whatever reason.
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Certainly looks like twice the grind clearance as on the Indies. How high are those, weight, I need specs.
Same. Kinda weird that there aren't specs out considering every major truck brand has this info readily available. I know not everyone is super into gear, but I frequently hear people at my local talk about basic dimensions like truck height, weight, and how far it pushes out WB.
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Of course hard to conclude from those photos, but it looks like a very hollow hanger without much support.
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Certainly looks like twice the grind clearance as on the Indies. How high are those, weight, I need specs.
Same. Kinda weird that there aren't specs out considering every major truck brand has this info readily available. I know not everyone is super into gear, but I frequently hear people at my local talk about basic dimensions like truck height, weight, and how far it pushes out WB.
I wish I went to your local because at the ones I've been to absolutely no fried employee has given a fuck about these things and when you ask them about trucks they just say they ride Indy's. Or that they ride Ventures because Indy moved to China, but that some people that like doing tech stuff skate Thunders but they're not good for transition. Literally all statements I've heard too many times to count. Measuring a deck or asking about specs is frowned upon.
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I don't get why people are shitting on this brand/idea but welcomed Lurpiv with open arms. If the QC is better than ACE it seems like it could be a great truck if you don't want to ride Indys for whatever reason.
Marketing works and Lurpiv had all the right ingredients except the actual product. Slappy has a weaker image so far but if the product is good, it may work. I do find it strange that they chose a hanger that looks exactly like an ace classic. Makes it harder for footage of your product to stand out.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ck9aVzhJV_O/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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I don't think people are shitting on them...Lurpiv caught flack as well...anything new does...*AHEM, Royal Thread*
They're special, they went back in time and nabbed a young Chet Thomas.
(https://i.ibb.co/TmPNRfm/unnamed-2.png) (https://ibb.co/TmPNRfm)
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I'd ride 'em if they want a test pilot.
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Comes with the added feature of everyone assuming they are Ace trucks and not treating you like an insane person.
I remember my homie asking how I got Thunders with an inverted kingpin, when I said they were Royals he looked like I spat in his face.
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The front view and baseplate look like an Indy, made me think they were an Indy rebrand like Zumiez's Compound trucks https://www.zumiez.com/compound-polished-silver-5-25-skateboard-truck.html
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Compound-Polished-Silver-5.75%22-Skateboard-Truck-_339620-front-US.jpg)
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Compound-Polished-Silver-5.75%22-Skateboard-Truck-_339620-back-US.jpg)
But the hanger looks skinnier and the kingpin lower, so IDK.
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Here's 13 seconds. Still confused how Sinclair has access to a foundry that allows him to tinker. Maybe they are just going to put these on all the toy machine completes.
http://youtu.be/GkWMyiTNZEM
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Here's 13 seconds. Still confused how Sinclair has access to a foundry that allows him to tinker. Maybe they are just going to put these on all the toy machine completes.
http://youtu.be/GkWMyiTNZEM
Everyone does. You send your specs and references to a Chinese foundry and they send you a prototype in a few weeks. China is cutthroat so its surprisingly cheap (by b2b standards) to get just a couple pairs made and if you're someone like Sinclair who is probably at least somewhat connected over there they'd probably throw themselves at your feet in the hopes of landing even a 2500 pc order.
There's that whole Zumiez-centric side of Tumyeto that pumps out 8" completes, so I'd assume he's probably just working with whatever foundry makes those though.
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Design looks clean but in my somewhat worthless opinion, i think the logo on the baseplate cheapens them.
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Just buy forged indys or aces.
You can even get IKP indy plates now
this seems silly
and they look like some kmart shit.
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The front view and baseplate look like an Indy, made me think they were an Indy rebrand like Zumiez's Compound trucks https://www.zumiez.com/compound-polished-silver-5-25-skateboard-truck.html
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Compound-Polished-Silver-5.75%22-Skateboard-Truck-_339620-front-US.jpg)
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Compound-Polished-Silver-5.75%22-Skateboard-Truck-_339620-back-US.jpg)
But the hanger looks skinnier and the kingpin lower, so IDK.
Not to quibble, but it's a mistake to describe the cheap Indy knockoffs which Zumiez sells as an "Indy rebrand," which would imply that they simply take authentic Independent Trucks and brand them with a different logo. These are obviously cheap fakes.
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
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ill wait a few years before i fuck with it. i just got my first pair of aces recently lol
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Everyone does. You send your specs and references to a Chinese foundry and they send you a prototype in a few weeks. China is cutthroat so its surprisingly cheap (by b2b standards) to get just a couple pairs made and if you're someone like Sinclair who is probably at least somewhat connected over there they'd probably throw themselves at your feet in the hopes of landing even a 2500 pc order.
If you are just DHLing some samples this makes sense. I’ve seen the exact scenario in my work.
My confusion is probably me just projecting that I really don’t want another truck brand to think about haha
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
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I'll wait for the Ben Degros review
Same. Especially considering my personal preferences are extremely similar to his.
Probably because we're both 90s' tech dinosaurs.
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
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I feel the name is not really doing it any favors. Feels like the name that would be on a bootleg Bobby Puleo or Koston board
The cheap in house brand trucks that go on Alien Workshop trucks are called Xenia. I'm sure they're shit but using that name got me stoked.
But they're pronounced Shania, as in Twain...I think you can see where I'm going with this.
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They look good. How tall are they and how much do they weigh?
Not a fan of the name, but whatever. Most skateboard companies have terrible brand imagery anyway.
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Pretty sure these are made by 2Hex. If you have enough coin, you also can get your own trucks made
https://www.2hex.com/skateboard-trucks-configurator
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Pretty sure these are made by 2Hex. If you have enough coin, you also can get your own trucks made
https://www.2hex.com/skateboard-trucks-configurator
We should all crowd source a competitor brand called SLAPez for the sole purpose of taking away what pidily amount of market share this guy expects to generate.
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Pretty sure these are made by 2Hex. If you have enough coin, you also can get your own trucks made
https://www.2hex.com/skateboard-trucks-configurator
We should all crowd source a competitor brand called SLAPez for the sole purpose of taking away what pidily amount of market share this guy expects to generate.
Could you imagine what the product design and testing thread would look like? Would be hilarious to see everyone try and get on the same page about how exactly SLAPez trucks should be
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SLAP Pals will not tolerate a truck that makes you nose/ tail slide on your wheels.
SLAP Pals will not tolerate squeaking bushings, cracking and popping sounds beyond a three session break in
SLAP Pals will not tolerate axle/ kingpin nuts that come loose
SLAP Pals will not tolerate any truck that uses anything remotely resembling a symbol of hate
SLAP Pals will not allow Jason Jessee to ride their SLAPez trucks
SLAPez Team riders must include Fred Gall and Frank Gerwer.
SLAP Pals would strongly prefer their trucks are manufactured at the ERMICO foundry
SLAP Pals would strongly prefer odd sized axles including 8 1/8", 8 3/8", 8 5/8" and 8 7/8" options.
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If you look at the truck label the reverse way intended it looks like they are named FIddelS.
Might be a better name, or new Sinclair candy bar company.
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If you look at the truck label the reverse way intended it looks like they are named FIddelS.
Might be a better name, or new Sinclair candy bar company.
Fiddelstix
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
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Pretty sure these are made by 2Hex. If you have enough coin, you also can get your own trucks made
https://www.2hex.com/skateboard-trucks-configurator
So how much will it cost to bring kreper back
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
Restricting the amount a bushing can deform would for sure factor into wheelbite (or not). The pivot doesn't restrict anything except metal rubbing on metal.
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
Restricting the amount a bushing can deform would for sure factor into wheelbite (or not). The pivot doesn't restrict anything except metal rubbing on metal.
Nah, the pivot bushing controls a lot of the turn.
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
Restricting the amount a bushing can deform would for sure factor into wheelbite (or not). The pivot doesn't restrict anything except metal rubbing on metal.
Nah, the pivot bushing controls a lot of the turn.
Read my comment again:
"The pivot doesn't restrict anything"
All the turning you do goes through the pivot, they've a totally different function than bushings; to your point, yes, they are tied more directly to a trucks geo [turn] than a bushing set.
No one swaps out pivot cups to curb wheelbite my dude.
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Pretty sure these are made by 2Hex. If you have enough coin, you also can get your own trucks made
https://www.2hex.com/skateboard-trucks-configurator
Got to admit, I think you're right. Shape is different all around tho...
Smallest amount of Thrasher coverage possible.
https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/trash/announcing-slappy-trucks/
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
Restricting the amount a bushing can deform would for sure factor into wheelbite (or not). The pivot doesn't restrict anything except metal rubbing on metal.
Nah, the pivot bushing controls a lot of the turn.
Read my comment again:
"The pivot doesn't restrict anything"
All the turning you do goes through the pivot, they've a totally different function than bushings; to your point, yes, they are tied more directly to a trucks geo [turn] than a bushing set.
No one swaps out pivot cups to curb wheelbite my dude.
Speak for yourself, the pivot bushing is the key.
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
Restricting the amount a bushing can deform would for sure factor into wheelbite (or not). The pivot doesn't restrict anything except metal rubbing on metal.
Nah, the pivot bushing controls a lot of the turn.
Read my comment again:
"The pivot doesn't restrict anything"
All the turning you do goes through the pivot, they've a totally different function than bushings; to your point, yes, they are tied more directly to a trucks geo [turn] than a bushing set.
No one swaps out pivot cups to curb wheelbite my dude.
Speak for yourself, the pivot cup is the key.
I made a post, on a forum so I am speaking for my self...lol, that's how it works...
Having fucked with numerous brands of pivot cups, duros, etc., they're fucking snake oil.
Bushings and washers (flat or cupped) have impact on wheelbite (the fucking item in question here), not fucking pivot cups...keep on keeping on tho if you think that works for you.
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
Restricting the amount a bushing can deform would for sure factor into wheelbite (or not). The pivot doesn't restrict anything except metal rubbing on metal.
Nah, the pivot bushing controls a lot of the turn.
Read my comment again:
"The pivot doesn't restrict anything"
All the turning you do goes through the pivot, they've a totally different function than bushings; to your point, yes, they are tied more directly to a trucks geo [turn] than a bushing set.
No one swaps out pivot cups to curb wheelbite my dude.
Speak for yourself, the pivot cup is the key.
I made a post, on a forum so I am speaking for my self...lol, that's how it works...
Having fucked with numerous brands of pivot cups, duros, etc., they're fucking snake oil.
Bushings and washers (flat or cupped) have impact on wheelbite (the fucking item in question here), not fucking pivot cups...keep on keeping on tho if you think that works for you.
You literally said “No one swaps out…”
That is the very definition of speaking for others.
I was discussing pivot bushings sitting inside the pivot cup, the pivot cup is part of the baseplate, big difference, that was my item in question and seems you got confused or don’t know the difference.
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Anyway, the question and point still stands and is up to debate the robustness of the pivot Bushing in these new trucks could potentially add to wheel bite resistance while not sacrificing turn quality so Sinclair may be on to something.
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
hes actaully really good
is this brand actually geared towards people who wanna do a lot of slappies? if there is tons of extra grind clearance i can see this making sense cause i axel'd a pair of indys in 20 weeks last year
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
The height definitely feels similar to an indy. They did come with two different shapes of top washers for the KP nut. The one they came with hugs the bushing to form, where the one that came in the bag with them was much more similar to a normal shaped top washer for the KP. The one thing that really looks different to me on them, is the cut around the KP. It looks much more like a Thunder truck in that area, which I wondered if that would have anything to do with the wheelbite resistance?
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
hes actaully really good
is this brand actually geared towards people who wanna do a lot of slappies? if there is tons of extra grind clearance i can see this making sense cause i axel'd a pair of indys in 20 weeks last year
I do a lot of slappys and wear out trucks pretty quickly (at least compared to some of my peers), but wearing through them is part of the fun and I don't think I would even choose a different truck simply because it would last me a little longer. Ultimately the difference between buying a pair of trucks every 1.5 years or every 2 years would never factor into my decision.
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
hes actaully really good
is this brand actually geared towards people who wanna do a lot of slappies? if there is tons of extra grind clearance i can see this making sense cause i axel'd a pair of indys in 20 weeks last year
I think people sometimes forget that he's an old pro from the early 90s. Also, he's been skating more since pandemic (and having lost weight).
But yea, he's an old man skater now, just doing slappys. I saw him at the Bellflower DMV once.
Also, axel'd a pair in 20 weeks?!? What kind of crust are you skating? I feel like a year of slappys on super groomed curbs really didn't dent my trucks.
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
hes actaully really good
is this brand actually geared towards people who wanna do a lot of slappies? if there is tons of extra grind clearance i can see this making sense cause i axel'd a pair of indys in 20 weeks last year
I think people sometimes forget that he's an old pro from the early 90s. Also, he's been skating more since pandemic (and having lost weight).
But yea, he's an old man skater now, just doing slappys. I saw him at the Bellflower DMV once.
Also, axel'd a pair in 20 weeks?!? What kind of crust are you skating? I feel like a year of slappys on super groomed curbs really didn't dent my trucks.
i axeld a indy in a month. technicly not brand new but they had only seen skatepark coping before that. learned slappies and was skating in a new curb that was completely raw and unskated before. hit axle on my front truck 4 weeks in.
but now that this curb is skated in it doesnt do much damage at all.
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I'm skating a pair and they feel amazing. Def my new fav truck
Went from Indy to Thunder, Thunder to Ace, Ace to Slappy.
Slappy's feel kinda like Aces but the kingpin clearance is impeccable.. haven't caught on a bs smith yet.
Indy's suck IMO now.
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I am interested but would feel kinda stupid with my trucks saying Slappy even tho I slappy lot and am a card carrying Slap pal.
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I'm skating a pair and they feel amazing. Def my new fav truck
Went from Indy to Thunder, Thunder to Ace, Ace to Slappy.
Slappy's feel kinda like Aces but the kingpin clearance is impeccable.. haven't caught on a bs smith yet.
Indy's suck IMO now.
I don't ride indys but can't imagine them sucking, what do you dislike about them?
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I'm skating a pair and they feel amazing. Def my new fav truck
Went from Indy to Thunder, Thunder to Ace, Ace to Slappy.
Slappy's feel kinda like Aces but the kingpin clearance is impeccable.. haven't caught on a bs smith yet.
Indy's suck IMO now.
Are you riding the standard kingpin or the IKP? I’m gonna snag a pair as soon as they land on skate warehouse. Also, what’s the wheelbase on these like?
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I am interested but would feel kinda stupid with my trucks saying Slappy even tho I slappy lot and am a card carrying Slap pal.
SLAP pal slappied on slappies?
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no way in hell I'm putting a truck on my board that has "slappy" written on it. don't care if they make me ollie 10 feet high.
also will never again touch anything Sinclair associated with a 10 foot pole
just get a pair of Ace
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I'm skating a pair and they feel amazing. Def my new fav truck
Went from Indy to Thunder, Thunder to Ace, Ace to Slappy.
Slappy's feel kinda like Aces but the kingpin clearance is impeccable.. haven't caught on a bs smith yet.
Indy's suck IMO now.
I don't ride indys but can't imagine them sucking, what do you dislike about them?
Fair, they don't suck but they are 4th on the list for me. Slappy, Ace, Thunder, then Indy.
Indys dont turn as smooth, are heavy and just overrated.
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I'm skating a pair and they feel amazing. Def my new fav truck
Went from Indy to Thunder, Thunder to Ace, Ace to Slappy.
Slappy's feel kinda like Aces but the kingpin clearance is impeccable.. haven't caught on a bs smith yet.
Indy's suck IMO now.
Are you riding the standard kingpin or the IKP? I’m gonna snag a pair as soon as they land on skate warehouse. Also, what’s the wheelbase on these like?
Standard kingpin, and still have great grind clearance. I wanna get the inverted Kingpin next for sure though..
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Terrible name, generic truck design, 0 brand identity.
The trucks might be good, but this brings nothing new IMO.
Also, (to paraphrase @J….soy…..) would you ever wear a “slappy” longsleeve?
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Terrible name, generic truck design, 0 brand identity.
The trucks might be good, but this brings nothing new IMO.
Also, (to paraphrase @J….soy…..) would you ever wear a “slappy” longsleeve?
The last new truck to really breakthrough and be able to compete with the big 3 was ace and that took them over a decade to reach that. i remember seeing ace's for the first time when i moved up to the SF bay area around 2008
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Terrible name, generic truck design, 0 brand identity.
The trucks might be good, but this brings nothing new IMO.
Also, (to paraphrase @J….soy…..) would you ever wear a “slappy” longsleeve?
Dude that would wear a slappy long sleeve would have a heroin egg deck and maybe this hat
(https://www.companybe.com/cowtown/product_photos/rd_images/rd_antihero-skateboards-curb-city-snapback-charcoal-black.jpg)
Danglin keys
Dog running around the spot.
Maybe playing slayer out of the tailgate of their truck.
The personification of slappies.
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Will start this off by saying I am a fuck the rest kinda guy. Haven't had anything other than forged Indy's for the past 10 to 15 years on my main board. I wanted to join the ace hype train (they are a beautiful truck), but have never been able to get a pair to my liking. They do not grind like they should either, but that is a different story.
Been riding the 8.5 standard KP for a couple weeks now on a lightly used popsicle that I had laying around. I love talking shit on things, but overall I do not really have any gripes with these. They feel good right when set up, which is surprising, but they have also worn in/ loosened up nicely. I have not really messed with them much on any bigger transition, but the trucks have been fun to play around with on slappy curbs, boxes, and flatgound. I am not a small boi and enjoy to ride a decently loose truck and these have a bit of wheel bite resistance that doesn't seem to negatively affect the feel of the turn of the truck. Something that I did not know I wanted, but think I kinda like.
The verdict is still out, as to how these will hold up since its only been a couple weeks of riding but they have been a pleasant surprise thus far. Solid job Larry.
pretty similar in height to forged 149s, are there any obvious differences other than the aforementioned wheelbite resistance? (probably attributed to bushings)
That bottom washer (in the images) cups that bushing like a MF.
Is that what people mean by “wheel bite resistance”? Or is it the robustness of the black pivot bushing sitting in the pivot cup.?
Restricting the amount a bushing can deform would for sure factor into wheelbite (or not). The pivot doesn't restrict anything except metal rubbing on metal.
Nah, the pivot bushing controls a lot of the turn.
Read my comment again:
"The pivot doesn't restrict anything"
All the turning you do goes through the pivot, they've a totally different function than bushings; to your point, yes, they are tied more directly to a trucks geo [turn] than a bushing set.
No one swaps out pivot cups to curb wheelbite my dude.
Speak for yourself, the pivot cup is the key.
I made a post, on a forum so I am speaking for my self...lol, that's how it works...
Having fucked with numerous brands of pivot cups, duros, etc., they're fucking snake oil.
Bushings and washers (flat or cupped) have impact on wheelbite (the fucking item in question here), not fucking pivot cups...keep on keeping on tho if you think that works for you.
You literally said “No one swaps out…”
That is the very definition of speaking for others.
I was discussing pivot bushings sitting inside the pivot cup, the pivot cup is part of the baseplate, big difference, that was my item in question and seems you got confused or don’t know the difference.
K, Bruh. Fair point, I generalized.
I still stand by it tho. Swapping pivot cups to curb wheel bite doesn't do anything, trucks don't work that way.
If people are swapping pivot cups in hopes of fixing wheelbite...well, it's their delusion/money,
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Terrible name, generic truck design, 0 brand identity.
The trucks might be good, but this brings nothing new IMO.
Also, (to paraphrase @J….soy…..) would you ever wear a “slappy” longsleeve?
Dude that would wear a slappy long sleeve would have a heroin egg deck and maybe this hat
(https://www.companybe.com/cowtown/product_photos/rd_images/rd_antihero-skateboards-curb-city-snapback-charcoal-black.jpg)
Danglin keys
Dog running around the spot.
Maybe playing slayer out of the tailgate of their truck.
The personification of slappies.
And all 75 of those guys will buy a pair.
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By my calculations, there at at least 75 of those guys in each city in So Cal alone, so that may be a lot of trucks.
I ain’t fucksin with em tho.
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Hollow IKP coming down the pipeline:
(https://i.ibb.co/FYPKcMN/AC0-CDACA-F5-DD-4-C81-AD4-B-218-C4357-A679.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FYPKcMN)
I wonder if the axles are too?
(https://i.ibb.co/P99ChV1/A6-FFC8-AA-DDBE-419-A-B8-C4-EA27-D8235-AB1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P99ChV1)
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If they would have Venture pop with Ace turn I would be interested. Could open up a lot more decks for me also. I don’t think they’ll manage to do that though so maybe I’ll be safe with my stack of Aces still. :D
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The front view and baseplate look like an Indy, made me think they were an Indy rebrand like Zumiez's Compound trucks https://www.zumiez.com/compound-polished-silver-5-25-skateboard-truck.html
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Compound-Polished-Silver-5.75%22-Skateboard-Truck-_339620-front-US.jpg)
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Compound-Polished-Silver-5.75%22-Skateboard-Truck-_339620-back-US.jpg)
But the hanger looks skinnier and the kingpin lower, so IDK.
Not to quibble, but it's a mistake to describe the cheap Indy knockoffs which Zumiez sells as an "Indy rebrand," which would imply that they simply take authentic Independent Trucks and brand them with a different logo. These are obviously cheap fakes.
I have a set of these. They're not cheap fakes, they're just clones. They're basically indistinguishable from indy standards apart from the BP logo. Same alloy and I wouldn't be surprised if they scanned the individual parts for the mold or just bought them under the table from whatever foundry NHS uses. They even got the weight mostly right. The only thing that's kinda cheap about them are the bushings but they aren't awful and you can just swap the indys in and they feel pretty much the same in my opinion. They also weren't really cheap, they sold them for like $5 less than indys sadly.
Industrial has been doing the same thing for years
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Kingpin clearance is nuts, especially on the IKP versions. If they can acheive that and have a turn like Ace, that's a win in my book. Yeah, if I'm gonna be nitpicky, the hanger is identical to an Ace classic and the "slappy" logo on the baseplate is awful, but whatever.
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Seems like he’d have more connections in the realm of brand identity besides dafont.com
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Factories are desperate for production they're willing to work with anyone. Look at PS Stix (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck_R2WvpFOq/) you can start your own board brand quick and easy. Testing trucks for 2 years hahaha that's like Bronson saying they tested bearing for years before launching that shit brand. In the world of overstocked product and cheap ass products ( https://www.sierra.com/s~skateboard/ ) now is the worse time to launch anything. No wonder all these companies are letting riders go. Too many brands and too many discounts. Skateboarding did it to itself again...
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silver tool friendly ?
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Factories are desperate for production they're willing to work with anyone. Look at PS Stix (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck_R2WvpFOq/) you can start your own board brand quick and easy. Testing trucks for 2 years hahaha that's like Bronson saying they tested bearing for years before launching that shit brand. In the world of overstocked product and cheap ass products ( https://www.sierra.com/s~skateboard/ ) now is the worse time to launch anything. No wonder all these companies are letting riders go. Too many brands and too many discounts. Skateboarding did it to itself again...
This should almost be its own thread. Pretty cool opportunity.
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@dermbot has a really good look at these trucks in his stories on IG today. He also stated that they’re privately distributed and not distributed through Tum Yeto.
https://instagram.com/stories/dermbot/2973907557827375446?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
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AliBaba looking ass trucks
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Echoing the other posters on what exactly another truck brand brings to the table. Seems cool I guess.
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Echoing the other posters on what exactly another truck brand brings to the table. Seems cool I guess.
Without knowing how they skate, the only thing they're bringing is kingpin clearance out of the gate and they've got it in spades compared to other brands. So there's that....I guess....
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Marry, fuck, kill
Theeve Slappy Tensor
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Echoing the other posters on what exactly another truck brand brings to the table. Seems cool I guess.
Without knowing how they skate, the only thing they're bringing is kingpin clearance out of the gate and they've got it in spades compared to other brands. So there's that....I guess....
It's like an independent with venture clearance.
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Marry, fuck, kill
Theeve Slappy Tensor
Marry Tensor - they've been around the longest, put money in Dr Z and Daewon's wallet, while I'm not a fan of the Maglight their Aluminium ones seem decent
Fuck Slappy - could be a fun 1-off, always want to try something new
Kill Theeve - I've hated everyone's setup with Theeve on them
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Who cops a pair and checks if they fit on an Indy baseplate? :D
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Skate warehouse has them now to ship on 27nov. About 50 bucks for a set
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Skate warehouse has them now to ship on 27nov. About 50 bucks for a set
Always curious to see and hear how some work, especially when they look like this and have all the sizes available that they do.
No pics on the SW site yet, but at least their instagram have enough good pics.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Slappy_ST1_Inverted_Trucks/descpage-SYIVTR.html
Slappy ST1 Inverted Trucks
Polished
$29.99 each
Truck Sizes: 8" 8.25" 8.5" 8.75" 9"
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Slappy_ST1_Classic_Trucks/descpage-SYCPTR.html
Slappy ST1 Classic Trucks
Polished
$26.99 each
Truck Sizes: 8" 8.25" 8.5" 8.75" 9"
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Height reported to be 53.9 per dm response.
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I picked up a set of 8.25 inverted trucks. It’s pretty cold here so I’m not sure when I’ll get to skate them, but I’ll definitely post my thoughts when I get them!
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SLAP Pals will not tolerate a truck that makes you nose/ tail slide on your wheels.
SLAP Pals will not tolerate squeaking bushings, cracking and popping sounds beyond a three session break in
SLAP Pals will not tolerate axle/ kingpin nuts that come loose
SLAP Pals will not tolerate any truck that uses anything remotely resembling a symbol of hate
SLAP Pals will not allow Jason Jessee to ride their SLAPez trucks
SLAPez Team riders must include Fred Gall and Frank Gerwer.
SLAP Pals would strongly prefer their trucks are manufactured at the ERMICO foundry
SLAP Pals would strongly prefer odd sized axles including 8 1/8", 8 3/8", 8 5/8" and 8 7/8" options.
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
Ask the 2 people Sinclair has managed to film skating them so far.
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I feel the name is not really doing it any favors. Feels like the name that would be on a bootleg Bobby Puleo or Koston board
The cheap in house brand trucks that go on Alien Workshop trucks are called Xenia. I'm sure they're shit but using that name got me stoked.
Damn i want some Xenias for the shelf
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
I was gonna bite during the sales, but knowing a hollow IKP is coming, I'm gonna wait.
If they were smart, they'd release a standalone version of that pin if it's indy/royal compatible...
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
I was gonna bite during the sales, but knowing a hollow IKP is coming, I'm gonna wait.
(http://If they were smart, they'd release a standalone version of that pin if it's indy/royal compatible...)
Sure, it's super smart to sell the Kingpin separate for a fraction of the price of the whole truck when its the only thing making their trucks worth buying.
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
Set my ikp version up last night. I’m gonna try and get a little session on them after work. I’ll post a first impression if I do.
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
I was gonna bite during the sales, but knowing a hollow IKP is coming, I'm gonna wait.
(http://If they were smart, they'd release a standalone version of that pin if it's indy/royal compatible...)
Sure, it's super smart to sell the Kingpin separate for a fraction of the price of the whole truck when its the only thing making their trucks worth buying.
Not everyone is interested in an IKP? You do realize they sell standard trucks as well, right?
Why not complain they're selling a two pack of bushings, one soft and one hard as well?
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
Set my ikp version up last night. I’m gonna try and get a little session on them after work. I’ll post a first impression if I do.
Great stuff!
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https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2022/12/01/where-the-hell-did-slappy-trucks-come-from/
Jenkem interview is up.
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https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2022/12/01/where-the-hell-did-slappy-trucks-come-from/
Jenkem interview is up.
major props for him to do everything basically on his own, but damn he's got some tough competition
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5 pages in and nobody has given Sinclair credit for just listing them by size in inches. Thank you Mike- It’s what the people want.
In any case I have some 8.75 on the way. See what happens…
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Anyone who's been skating them have an update?
Set my ikp version up last night. I’m gonna try and get a little session on them after work. I’ll post a first impression if I do.
I had my first session on them today. I was honestly surprised at how nice they felt. They grind pretty smooth. I skated a circle rail at my local. I’m coming from forged 144 hollows so they felt a lot heavier which took some getting used to. I tried them on a hockey deck but I think I would much rather want to try them on a mellow baker deck. I’m gonna keep skating them, so far I think they feel great.
Edit: I weighed them compared to a forged hollow 144.
Edit 2: so the baseplate seems pretty identical to an Indy baseplate minus a cutout in the middle to reduce weight. The hanger is more close to an Ace hanger from what I can see. I don’t have any af1 hangers but that’s the closest I can see. Oh, the bottom bushing is identical in size to an orange Indy bushing. The top bushing is shorter. Didn’t measure the bushings.
(https://i.ibb.co/VT59nBQ/0025883-D-69-BD-42-F9-9-FD0-C6-BF3619454-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jDsf04W)
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https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2022/12/01/where-the-hell-did-slappy-trucks-come-from/
Jenkem interview is up.
major props for him to do everything basically on his own, but damn he's got some tough competition
For sure!!
That was a good read actually.
I went back to check after the 9" truck size comment in there and sure enough he did have them out at first, but they sold out super quick, as have most wider trucks in the inverted version, but still have most sizes in the regular version on SW at least.
This was the quote from that I was referring to:
The only “scientific” person I hit was Paul Schmitt. I gave him a set of 9-inch ones. He set them up and gave me great feedback.
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https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2022/12/01/where-the-hell-did-slappy-trucks-come-from/
Jenkem interview is up.
major props for him to do everything basically on his own, but damn he's got some tough competition
For sure!!
That was a good read actually.
I went back to check after the 9" truck size comment in there and sure enough he did have them out at first, but they sold out super quick, as have most wider trucks in the inverted version, but still have most sizes in the regular version on SW at least.
This was the quote from that I was referring to:
The only “scientific” person I hit was Paul Schmitt. I gave him a set of 9-inch ones. He set them up and gave me great feedback.
"Needs more nanotubes"
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So sounds like you could put them on an indy forged baseplate and then they'd be a little lower and wouldnt say SLAPPY on the baseplate
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKc7NVc0Ieg
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So were they too loose or not? Daewon loose? Really?
1/4 turn and just under a 1/2 turn to get them where he likes them and he skate pretty loose?
Doesn't doesn't add up ;) 1/4 turn ain't fixing Daewon loose...
54mm and no wheel bite sounds pretty enticing however.
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I'm totally intrigued now after watching that video, Thanks! I've been running Indy mid IKP baseplates with Ace classic hangers and 1/8 risers for the past year basically, and loving them. I take off the bottom washer and they're super responsive. The Indy high type baseplate with an inverted kingpin and Ace type hangers (sans risers) sounds like the perfect substitute for my frankentrucks. I don't see any 8.75 or 9 IKP's in stock anywhere but will keep a look out and might have to give em a try
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So were they too loose or not? Daewon loose? Really?
1/4 turn and just under a 1/2 turn to get them where he likes them and he skate pretty loose?
Doesn't doesn't add up ;) 1/4 turn ain't fixing Daewon loose...
Mine were not “daewon loose” I did not adjust them whatsoever. I skate medium for the most part and these felt only slightly looser than what I normally ride. I do agree with the video in that they felt pretty surfy. I haven’t ridden af1s so I can’t compare them to that.
54mm and no wheel bite sounds pretty enticing however.
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It would be sick if he also dropped a low and it was called a nollie crook….
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some thoughts on them from this guy: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CluqW_9gmlI/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Just placed an order for the shop through south shore.
I’m gonna set some up and give my feedback soonish. We should have 8.25,8.5,8.75 standard and 8.25,8.5 inverted kingpin.
I’ll post when they’re available on the site.
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some thoughts on them from this guy: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CluqW_9gmlI/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
from that link for the lazy:
"This was the most that I could get today due to a bad bruised heal, but here are some of my initial thoughts on the trucks.
- The turn is very good. Definitely better than Indy but a tad less sharp than the turn of an Ace. The bushings and pivot cups seem to be very well made and felt good right away.
- The grind feels identical to that of the Ace AF1. Very good right off the bat and continued to get better.
- The kingpin clearance is amazing. I had to really try to dip feebles to even touch it a little bit (I got the inverted version).
- The pinch felt better to me than both Aces and Indy’s but not quite as good as Thunders.
The only two things I’d like to see from them in the future is a version with forged baseplates and hollow axles. The plates would lower them a couple of millimeters which would be sick."
With Hollows being in testing, I'll def hold out..I swear the more I hear about them the more they sound like Theeve's characteristics (turn/pinch)...lower would be nicer tho...but not too much of a change from forged indys I usually ride.
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So if anyone is curious slappys add an extra 3 5/16 to your WB. Chose wisely.
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Looks like they're using a similar bushing style as Lurpiv. That short fat top bushing must be what gives you those anti wheelbite properties.
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Skated the ST1s over the weekend primarily on transition. these grind like af1s , turn like thunders, and have a similar height to indy standards. i don't know if others have had a similar experience. not sure if it's the cold weather or the initial break-in period but i had to loosen them a bit. Other than the bushing slipping the top washer i personally think the trucks are pretty nice.
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Skated the ST1s over the weekend primarily on transition. these grind like af1s , turn like thunders, and have a similar height to indy standards. i don't know if others have had a similar experience. not sure if it's the cold weather or the initial break-in period but i had to loosen them a bit. Other than the bushing slipping the top washer i personally think the trucks are pretty nice.
Although im not really interested in trying them since im actually happy with my setup (holiday miracle) they do sound fun for low impact street and like the name implies, slappys.
I'm curious as to how stable they are at higher speeds/skating bigger stuff. a twitchy thunder turn plus added height would lead me to believe that stability is probably their weak point.
Not hating, just a surface level observation based on shit i've read on here. Everything has pros/cons.
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Low impact street?
Just about any truck can handle low impact street.
There’s literally nothing out saying that this truck can’t handle literally everything; categorizing them early without data proving otherwise just doesn’t make any sense.
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Low impact street?
Just about any truck can handle low impact street.
There’s literally nothing out saying that this truck can’t handle literally everything; categorizing them early without data proving otherwise just doesn’t make any sense.
Was talking about what they were suited for, not whether or not they could handle it. One context implies a strength, the other would imply a weakness.
The height and and turn characteristics so far have me questioning how stable they are. Not making any definitive statements, just openly discussing things.
Sorry if that upset you or something haha.
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Skated the ST1s over the weekend primarily on transition. these grind like af1s , turn like thunders, and have a similar height to indy standards. i don't know if others have had a similar experience. not sure if it's the cold weather or the initial break-in period but i had to loosen them a bit. Other than the bushing slipping the top washer i personally think the trucks are pretty nice.
Although im not really interested in trying them since im actually happy with my setup (holiday miracle) they do sound fun for low impact street and like the name implies, slappys.
I'm curious as to how stable they are at higher speeds/skating bigger stuff. a twitchy thunder turn plus added height would lead me to believe that stability is probably their weak point.
Not hating, just a surface level observation based on shit i've read on here. Everything has pros/cons.
These are fairly stable. not the kind of weird Ace AF1 tetter totter where you're spending half your time just trying to maintain balance while avoiding wheel bite. while the turn isn't as responsive as i would personally like, it's not bad.
I think what stops the wheel bite more or less is just that you cant really get as deep of a turn compared to indy/ace. You tip over on 2 wheels prior to getting wheel bite. just for reference im riding on new 56 mm conicals (setup same day as the slappies).
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Skated the ST1s over the weekend primarily on transition. these grind like af1s , turn like thunders, and have a similar height to indy standards. i don't know if others have had a similar experience. not sure if it's the cold weather or the initial break-in period but i had to loosen them a bit. Other than the bushing slipping the top washer i personally think the trucks are pretty nice.
Although im not really interested in trying them since im actually happy with my setup (holiday miracle) they do sound fun for low impact street and like the name implies, slappys.
I'm curious as to how stable they are at higher speeds/skating bigger stuff. a twitchy thunder turn plus added height would lead me to believe that stability is probably their weak point.
Not hating, just a surface level observation based on shit i've read on here. Everything has pros/cons.
These are fairly stable. not the kind of weird Ace AF1 tetter totter where you're spending half your time just trying to maintain balance while avoiding wheel bite. while the turn isn't as responsive as i would personally like, it's not bad.
I think what stops the wheel bite more or less is just that you cant really get as deep of a turn compared to indy/ace. You tip over on 2 wheels prior to getting wheel bite. just for reference im riding on new 56 mm conicals (setup same day as the slappies).
do you skate big spots or particularly fast?
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Low impact street?
Just about any truck can handle low impact street.
There’s literally nothing out saying that this truck can’t handle literally everything; categorizing them early without data proving otherwise just doesn’t make any sense.
Was talking about what they were suited for, not whether or not they could handle it. One context implies a strength, the other would imply a weakness.
The height and and turn characteristics so far have me questioning how stable they are. Not making any definitive statements, just openly discussing things.
Sorry if that upset you or something haha.
But if you haven't ridden them, how can you categorizing them for what they are good for? Based on one video and a handful of comments?
It's like saying 'wheels are good for rolling or flatland', knowhati'msaying?
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Skated the ST1s over the weekend primarily on transition. these grind like af1s , turn like thunders, and have a similar height to indy standards. i don't know if others have had a similar experience. not sure if it's the cold weather or the initial break-in period but i had to loosen them a bit. Other than the bushing slipping the top washer i personally think the trucks are pretty nice.
Although im not really interested in trying them since im actually happy with my setup (holiday miracle) they do sound fun for low impact street and like the name implies, slappys.
I'm curious as to how stable they are at higher speeds/skating bigger stuff. a twitchy thunder turn plus added height would lead me to believe that stability is probably their weak point.
Not hating, just a surface level observation based on shit i've read on here. Everything has pros/cons.
These are fairly stable. not the kind of weird Ace AF1 tetter totter where you're spending half your time just trying to maintain balance while avoiding wheel bite. while the turn isn't as responsive as i would personally like, it's not bad.
I think what stops the wheel bite more or less is just that you cant really get as deep of a turn compared to indy/ace. You tip over on 2 wheels prior to getting wheel bite. just for reference im riding on new 56 mm conicals (setup same day as the slappies).
Damn. That sounds like Krux. :-X
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Skated the ST1s over the weekend primarily on transition. these grind like af1s , turn like thunders, and have a similar height to indy standards. i don't know if others have had a similar experience. not sure if it's the cold weather or the initial break-in period but i had to loosen them a bit. Other than the bushing slipping the top washer i personally think the trucks are pretty nice.
Although im not really interested in trying them since im actually happy with my setup (holiday miracle) they do sound fun for low impact street and like the name implies, slappys.
I'm curious as to how stable they are at higher speeds/skating bigger stuff. a twitchy thunder turn plus added height would lead me to believe that stability is probably their weak point.
Not hating, just a surface level observation based on shit i've read on here. Everything has pros/cons.
These are fairly stable. not the kind of weird Ace AF1 tetter totter where you're spending half your time just trying to maintain balance while avoiding wheel bite. while the turn isn't as responsive as i would personally like, it's not bad.
I think what stops the wheel bite more or less is just that you cant really get as deep of a turn compared to indy/ace. You tip over on 2 wheels prior to getting wheel bite. just for reference im riding on new 56 mm conicals (setup same day as the slappies).
do you skate big spots or particularly fast?
i'd say id skate somewhat fast, not a liam pace or dennis busenitz speed but i definitely try to push my 50s/ 5-0s/ lip/tailslides on transition. usually only skate swiss ceramics or raws. big for me is like 6-7ft transition. im not really a technical rail or ledge skater.
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Skated the ST1s over the weekend primarily on transition. these grind like af1s , turn like thunders, and have a similar height to indy standards. i don't know if others have had a similar experience. not sure if it's the cold weather or the initial break-in period but i had to loosen them a bit. Other than the bushing slipping the top washer i personally think the trucks are pretty nice.
Although im not really interested in trying them since im actually happy with my setup (holiday miracle) they do sound fun for low impact street and like the name implies, slappys.
I'm curious as to how stable they are at higher speeds/skating bigger stuff. a twitchy thunder turn plus added height would lead me to believe that stability is probably their weak point.
Not hating, just a surface level observation based on shit i've read on here. Everything has pros/cons.
These are fairly stable. not the kind of weird Ace AF1 tetter totter where you're spending half your time just trying to maintain balance while avoiding wheel bite. while the turn isn't as responsive as i would personally like, it's not bad.
I think what stops the wheel bite more or less is just that you cant really get as deep of a turn compared to indy/ace. You tip over on 2 wheels prior to getting wheel bite. just for reference im riding on new 56 mm conicals (setup same day as the slappies).
Damn. That sounds like Krux. :-X
TBH i dont have a reference since i havent skated a pair since 2010ish. but i could see this being valid. im honestly waiting on the soft bushing drop. For reference i before slappys i skated indy standards with conical hards (indy). bolt was tightened to about the same as a default stock indy (1-1.5 threads showing).
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Just placed an order for the shop through south shore.
I’m gonna set some up and give my feedback soonish. We should have 8.25,8.5,8.75 standard and 8.25,8.5 inverted kingpin.
I’ll post when they’re available on the site.
I probably packed your order today
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Had my fourth sessions on the Slappy trucks today. I almost gave up on them because they were too squirrelly for my taste but I did something I said I wouldn’t do to them. I put Indy orange aftermarket bushings in them and they feel GREAT. The top bushing was a couple mils bigger and I think it made a difference. They don’t feel as squirrels to me and I was able to get some tricks back that I was struggling on with them. Im an awful crooked grinder but I made myself get ten in a row before I left the park tonight. I’m probably going to keep them on for a while longer since I’m really loving them after today.
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Had my fourth sessions on the Slappy trucks today. I almost gave up on them because they were too squirrelly for my taste but I did something I said I wouldn’t do to them. I put Indy orange aftermarket bushings in them and they feel GREAT. The top bushing was a couple mils bigger and I think it made a difference. They don’t feel as squirrels to me and I was able to get some tricks back that I was struggling on with them. Im an awful crooked grinder but I made myself get ten in a row before I left the park tonight. I’m probably going to keep them on for a while longer since I’m really loving them after today.
When you saw squirrelly, what are are you comparing them too?
Can you compare them to an ACE?
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Had my fourth sessions on the Slappy trucks today. I almost gave up on them because they were too squirrelly for my taste but I did something I said I wouldn’t do to them. I put Indy orange aftermarket bushings in them and they feel GREAT. The top bushing was a couple mils bigger and I think it made a difference. They don’t feel as squirrels to me and I was able to get some tricks back that I was struggling on with them. Im an awful crooked grinder but I made myself get ten in a row before I left the park tonight. I’m probably going to keep them on for a while longer since I’m really loving them after today.
When you saw squirrelly, what are are you comparing them too?
Can you compare them to an ACE?
I’ve honestly never ridden ace, but from what I’ve read, that’s what i would say I meant by squirrelly. I didn’t have them super loose, but I was getting what felt like speed wobbles at moderate to low speeds. They still do it with the Indy bushings but in a more manageable way.
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Had my fourth sessions on the Slappy trucks today. I almost gave up on them because they were too squirrelly for my taste but I did something I said I wouldn’t do to them. I put Indy orange aftermarket bushings in them and they feel GREAT. The top bushing was a couple mils bigger and I think it made a difference. They don’t feel as squirrels to me and I was able to get some tricks back that I was struggling on with them. Im an awful crooked grinder but I made myself get ten in a row before I left the park tonight. I’m probably going to keep them on for a while longer since I’m really loving them after today.
When you saw squirrelly, what are are you comparing them too?
Can you compare them to an ACE?
I’ve honestly never ridden ace, but from what I’ve read, that’s what i would say I meant by squirrelly. I didn’t have them super loose, but I was getting what felt like speed wobbles at moderate to low speeds. They still do it with the Indy bushings but in a more manageable way.
When I tried out lurpivs they felt REALLY weird until the bushings broke in. like more so than usual, and they share a similar short/fat top bushing with slappy's so maybe thats the feeling? The only way i can describe it, is it was as if my trucks were turning independently of each other, almost like i had coaster wheels (think ripstick) on my board. thankfully they broke in pretty quickly and that went away. Was the feeling you experienced like that?
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I think GH reviewed Lurpivs and Aces and his breakdown sounded considerably different.
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I think GH reviewed Lurpivs and Aces and his breakdown sounded considerably different.
I won't speak for him.
I hate on my own terms.
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Had my fourth sessions on the Slappy trucks today. I almost gave up on them because they were too squirrelly for my taste but I did something I said I wouldn’t do to them. I put Indy orange aftermarket bushings in them and they feel GREAT. The top bushing was a couple mils bigger and I think it made a difference. They don’t feel as squirrels to me and I was able to get some tricks back that I was struggling on with them. Im an awful crooked grinder but I made myself get ten in a row before I left the park tonight. I’m probably going to keep them on for a while longer since I’m really loving them after today.
When you saw squirrelly, what are are you comparing them too?
Can you compare them to an ACE?
I’ve honestly never ridden ace, but from what I’ve read, that’s what i would say I meant by squirrelly. I didn’t have them super loose, but I was getting what felt like speed wobbles at moderate to low speeds. They still do it with the Indy bushings but in a more manageable way.
When I tried out lurpivs they felt REALLY weird until the bushings broke in. like more so than usual, and they share a similar short/fat top bushing with slappy's so maybe thats the feeling? The only way i can describe it, is it was as if my trucks were turning independently of each other, almost like i had coaster wheels (think ripstick) on my board. thankfully they broke in pretty quickly and that went away. Was the feeling you experienced like that?
Wonder if it has to do with Lurpiv using a tall boardside bushing and a short top bushing. This combo tends to lead to a snappy self-centering but surf-y feel.
Anyways, I wrote a skate joke I'm sure you'll love: Why did the bushing break up with his girlfriend? Because he wasn't bearing the relationship anymore. haha
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I would love to try these. I like Sinclair. I watched his 9 club like 2.5x and took a ton of samples. The olliers release never happened and i can't remember exactly what he said. The episode was full of killer power violence samples.
I probably should get on that shit. Skating needs way more slamming PV always. Send the tracks to my favorite skaters in 2023 see if I can get in some YouTube edits.
That would be the shit.
Anyway He said something about being an Ollier. That was the quote that got me. He and his friends just would be driving to the spot and someone would be like "PULL OVER! We need to Ollie that shit immediately.
I relate 110. We also we're of this tribe. Go Sinclair!!!!
I definitely can't wait to try
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Just figured I would share we got them in stock.
https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Slappy.htm (https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Slappy.htm)
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I think GH reviewed Lurpivs and Aces and his breakdown sounded considerably different.
I won't speak for him.
I hate on my own terms.
GH said these were outrageously heavy. Then he said heavy like Aces or something which I don’t find to be that heavy so who knows
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I think GH reviewed Lurpivs and Aces and his breakdown sounded considerably different.
I won't speak for him.
I hate on my own terms.
GH said these were outrageously heavy. Then he said heavy like Aces or something which I don’t find to be that heavy so who knows
I feel like aces kinda need a bit of heft since the wb is so short that they lighten up your pop feel a lot.
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I think GH reviewed Lurpivs and Aces and his breakdown sounded considerably different.
I won't speak for him.
I hate on my own terms.
GH said these were outrageously heavy. Then he said heavy like Aces or something which I don’t find to be that heavy so who knows
Ace have a light feeling pop and leverage because of the wheelbase offset, but in terms of actual weight, an Ace Classic weighs about the same as Indy Standard of the same size (doesn't exist though), and it doesn't really get much heavier than that.
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Just figured I would share we got them in stock.
https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Slappy.htm (https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Slappy.htm)
considering their price its at the same level as indy and even higher than some ACE and ventures I see no reason to even try this ones
they look better than some other indy knockoffs out there but its still an indy knockoff
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If all you are doing are actual slappies, weight will mean nothing.
Sinclair was, afterall, skating curbs right before/during covid)..
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Ben DeGros should try them out first.
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Hollow IKP (and axle) coming Spring 2023
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cne3g3apY-q/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
(https://i.ibb.co/9qf04zy/BCBBF13-D-EA5-C-4-CD6-82-FA-F7-A8-F943-F6-E2.webp) (https://ibb.co/9qf04zy)
(https://i.ibb.co/yfNyWFq/BAA11-E79-AF92-49-D9-8301-64466600316-A.png) (https://ibb.co/yfNyWFq)
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My local got these but I still can't find the desire to try them
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"no break in time"?
TF?
Wasn't Ace saying this too at one point?
Just because you like the way your bushings feel when they are new doesn't mean that they dont change and break in, pivot cups too. Dumb marketing point.
My local got these but I still can't find the desire to try them
Lol
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My next setup:
8.25 Slappy trucks
54mm Powerslide wheels (No-push formula)
Hillbomb bearings (Swiss ceramic hollow balls)
8.25 Trebomb deck (Ollie-shape)
1" Drill hardware (perforated)
Grip griptape (420 grit recycled nuclear waste infused)
Slappy trucks seem legit but I couldn't ride them as a slaposer that hasn't done a single slappy in his life
Edit: Sorry no fun allowed
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So don’t buy them.
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My next setup:
8.25 Slappy trucks
54mm Powerslide wheels (No-push formula)
Hillbomb bearings (Swiss ceramic hollow balls)
8.25 Trebomb deck (Ollie-shape)
1" Drill hardware (perforated)
Grip griptape (420 grit recycled nuclear waste infused)
Slappy trucks seem legit but I couldn't ride them as a slaposer that hasn't done a single slappy in his life
Edit: Sorry no fun allowed
(https://media.tenor.com/PLpe-LYpJUcAAAAC/shame-gameofthrones.gif)
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BOUGHT A PAIR!
'cuz I wanna support one of the good guys......
Don't care that I already have a pair of Indys and ACES cuz I have a job and can afford $60 to try something new and enjoy slappies.
BRB....
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My next setup:
8.25 Slappy trucks
54mm Powerslide wheels (No-push formula)
Hillbomb bearings (Swiss ceramic hollow balls)
8.25 Trebomb deck (Ollie-shape)
1" Drill hardware (perforated)
Grip griptape (420 grit recycled nuclear waste infused)
Slappy trucks seem legit but I couldn't ride them as a slaposer that hasn't done a single slappy in his life
Edit: Sorry no fun allowed
(https://media.tenor.com/PLpe-LYpJUcAAAAC/shame-gameofthrones.gif)
I've been watching GoT for the first time, and just got to this episode last night..... really weird timing.
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BOUGHT A PAIR!
'cuz I wanna support one of the good guys......
Don't care that I already have a pair of Indys and ACES cuz I have a job and can afford $60 to try something new and enjoy slappies.
BRB....
a fellow adult with expendable income for his hobby? high five, brother!
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If he is making hollows, I suppose that means that his first run has sold decently well.
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It doesn’t hurt that he had distribution before he had product. That really helps with not overbuying. You can load up just enough product to virtually almost sell out of everything and put the money directly into the next run/idea.
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I just started skating the 8.75’s. I swapped out the stiff ass bushings and replaced them with some ventures. I love how these trucks feel. The grind is so good. I am a fan so far.
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Paul Schmitt has been riding Slappy trucks, and posted on Instagram how they affected wheelbase: average.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn-9tV2MQSZ/
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Paul Schmitt has been riding Slappy trucks, and posted on Instagram how they affected wheelbase: average.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn-9tV2MQSZ/
neat, here's the numbers from the post for posterity
2.69” Ace Classic 44
2.89” Krux Standard 8.5”
3.00” Indy 144 Hollow
3.01” Tensor Mag Lite 5.75”
3.06” Slappy
3.29” (Thunder) Classic 145
3.32” Venture 5.2” Polished
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He did something like this before and it’s the second time he’s skipped over thunders.
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He did something like this before and it’s the second time he’s skipped over thunders.
In the post he tags Thunder next to “classic 145”
It’s a typo.
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Wonder if they fit (splines don't always match)?
(https://i.ibb.co/vL7zMbq/unnamed-2.png) (https://ibb.co/vL7zMbq)
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Insta has the hollows slated for March 01
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New review from Dad Board just out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiVcnvOFTEs
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Just ordered a set of the 8.25, since i bought a bunch of 8.25 decks (trying to size down from 8.5). Hopefully they live up to the hype and turn really well. Excited to see how they skate
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4kOXNKhXqH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
4th slide blue shirt 8)
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4kOXNKhXqH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
4th slide blue shirt 8)
Sinclair, god of gonads
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i didn't even realize mike sinclair skated
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4kOXNKhXqH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
4th slide blue shirt 8)
Sinclair, god of gonads
How you gonna skate
And not know Larry Perkins?
You're on Slap running gums
Jerking gherkins
Big Pink ripped
And his alias did too
Niggas don't know
What Lil Playa could do
He has 411 footage
And a line in Shit
It's not my onus
So you can find it
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Skatewarehouse slappy order got cancelled due to them not being in stock and website not being up to date. Didnt feel like waiting so ordered some ace classics. Was on the fence about the slappys anyways so maybe it was a sign
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Our distro just told us that their has shipment is en route and will be available early next week. Should see them popping up in shops soon after. That first 1 and a half runs seemed to sell quick.
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Im not massively incentivized to try them. Pretty happy with everything about ACE, but I do appreciate the simplicity of their sizes and the simplicity of their marketing and hey, Sinclair is a nice young man.
and the dad board review is pretty ok, though I think he said subjective when he meant objective? still, seems like a good dude.
I'm slappy curious but I have a set of classics and a set of AF1s in my preferred 9" that are gonna last me a long time and then two pairs of 8.75s that barely have a scratch.
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Im not massively incentivized to try them. Pretty happy with everything about ACE, but I do appreciate the simplicity of their sizes and the simplicity of their marketing and hey, Sinclair is a nice young man.
and the dad board review is pretty ok, though I think he said subjective when he meant objective? still, seems like a good dude.
I'm slappy curious but I have a set of classics and a set of AF1s in my preferred 9" that are gonna last me a long time and then two pairs of 8.75s that barely have a scratch.
no, subjective was correct. He was giving his opinions on how he liked the truck, which would be his subjective experience. That vs objective which would be "these trucks are silver and 8.5 inches wide"
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Im not massively incentivized to try them. Pretty happy with everything about ACE, but I do appreciate the simplicity of their sizes and the simplicity of their marketing and hey, Sinclair is a nice young man.
and the dad board review is pretty ok, though I think he said subjective when he meant objective? still, seems like a good dude.
I'm slappy curious but I have a set of classics and a set of AF1s in my preferred 9" that are gonna last me a long time and then two pairs of 8.75s that barely have a scratch.
no, subjective was correct. He was giving his opinions on how he liked the truck, which would be his subjective experience. That vs objective which would be "these trucks are silver and 8.5 inches wide"
So first off, your assessment of the use is wrong. An objective review would include his opinion on the use, coming into the review with an unbiased perspective.
Second, for a review of a product, you would always want it to be objective.
Here, let me google it for you.
Subjective:Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
Objective: (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
If they grind well and are good trucks, he would state it as such in an objective opinion.
if he was carrying bias into the review and letting his use of other trucks cloud his perspective on Slappys, then it would be subjective. You want to annihilate bias as much as possible. If a review is subjective, it might as well be on Slappy website.
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I feel like the stage 4 release made these even less desireable now. Turn>KP clearance. Ace and Indy still have Slappy beat in that aspect, now.
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I feel like the stage 4 release made these even less desireable now. Turn>KP clearance. Ace and Indy still have Slappy beat in that aspect, now.
Opposite for me, I'm more interested in trying out the hollow slappys than another indy varient.
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Once again, I think the appeal of a brand like Slappy isn't necessarily "these trucks will fix all the issues I have with other trucks" and more "here's a small, somewhat interesting brand from an industry veteran, one which is different than the big 3."
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Im not massively incentivized to try them. Pretty happy with everything about ACE, but I do appreciate the simplicity of their sizes and the simplicity of their marketing and hey, Sinclair is a nice young man.
and the dad board review is pretty ok, though I think he said subjective when he meant objective? still, seems like a good dude.
I'm slappy curious but I have a set of classics and a set of AF1s in my preferred 9" that are gonna last me a long time and then two pairs of 8.75s that barely have a scratch.
no, subjective was correct. He was giving his opinions on how he liked the truck, which would be his subjective experience. That vs objective which would be "these trucks are silver and 8.5 inches wide"
So first off, your assessment of the use is wrong. An objective review would include his opinion on the use, coming into the review with an unbiased perspective.
Second, for a review of a product, you would always want it to be objective.
Here, let me google it for you.
Subjective:Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
Objective: (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
If they grind well and are good trucks, he would state it as such in an objective opinion.
if he was carrying bias into the review and letting his use of other trucks cloud his perspective on Slappys, then it would be subjective. You want to annihilate bias as much as possible. If a review is subjective, it might as well be on Slappy website.
I see what you're saying, that makes sense.
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Once again, I think the appeal of a brand like Slappy isn't necessarily "these trucks will fix all the issues I have with other trucks" and more "here's a small, somewhat interesting brand from an industry veteran, one which is different than the big 3."
is this a small brand? or just upgraded tumyeto mall trucks? idk, i don't follow those dudes.
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analization jig? the prof should be in horny jail
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"here's a small, somewhat interesting brand from an industry veteran, one which is different than the big 3."
And that's why I am more interested in them over these Stage IVs. I've ridden OG Stage IVs and ACEs, classics/lo and AF1/lows.
If I wanted a Stage IV I'd get Hollow AF1s :P
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anyones local or anyone seen the hollow inverted online yet?
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Just placed a pretty good sized order for some of every size and style. Will have them on the site quickly after they arrive.
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Did someone manage to get the height of these trucks?
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Did someone manage to get the height of these trucks?
Yes, Slappy did:
https://www.slappytrucks.com/specs
53.9mm (all trucks)
(https://i.ibb.co/3s19V5G/Screenshot-2023-03-01-093425.png) (https://ibb.co/3s19V5G)
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In my jubjective opinion, they should be able to handle big drops.
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For some perspective it’s Mike and a friend running the brand and shipping product.
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For some perspective it’s Mike and a friend running the brand and shipping product.
It’s really interesting that the real garage brands, skater owned and operated brands, street plant, black label, now these… never get any love (nfg rip) but oh boy, them kids sure do love the indie board brand #4567 using generic BBS shapes…
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Label is untouchable, shit I'd skate lucero's boards forever and ever but he does also use generic BBS shapes with mainly the same boring 14.5 wheelbase. I wish he did runs of popsicles with the short wheelbases like those "misregister" eagles.
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Label is untouchable, shit I'd skate lucero's boards forever and ever but he does also use generic BBS shapes with mainly the same boring 14.5 wheelbase. I wish he did runs of popsicles with the short wheelbases like those "misregister" eagles.
Yup...Not a fan of the WB/dims on label or I would totally ride/support them. Same goes for Street Plant and they giant ass WBs.
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anyones local or anyone seen the hollow inverted online yet?
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/skateboard-trucks#class=1t&pg=1&brand=SLP|&category=2256|
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8.25" IKP Hollows just landed on my doorstep.
They don't seem as heavy in hand as I was expecting (hollows or not)...that grind clearance tho, damn...pics kinda do it justice but seeing it in person, it's crazy, The top bushing is lower than a standard top but still taller than a 'low' top, the top of the IKP is damn near, if not at the bottom of the axle; lube in the pivot cavity. Also, and I'm sure most interested already know, but there is no 'shaft nut' for the IKP like Indy/Krux/Royal, just a regs kingpin nut jammed into a round cavity.
It's still moist where I am with more rain on the way, probably won't get to them until the weekend.
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I'll definitely try these now they've got the hollows. Next trucks.
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8.25" IKP Hollows just landed on my doorstep.
They don't seem as heavy in hand as I was expecting (hollows or not)...that grind clearance tho, damn...pics kinda do it justice but seeing it in person, it's crazy, The top bushing is lower than a standard top but still taller than a 'low' top, the top of the IKP is damn near, if not at the bottom of the axle; lube in the pivot cavity. Also, and I'm sure most interested already know, but there is no 'shaft nut' for the IKP like Indy/Krux/Royal, just a regs kingpin nut jammed into a round cavity.
It's still moist where I am with more rain on the way, probably won't get to them until the weekend.
I am extremely excited to hear what you think about them. I liked my regular IKPs well enough. They’re just very heavy which is why I switched them out. I want the hollow slappys but I don’t NEED the hollow slappys lol.
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8.25" IKP Hollows just landed on my doorstep.
They don't seem as heavy in hand as I was expecting (hollows or not)...that grind clearance tho, damn...pics kinda do it justice but seeing it in person, it's crazy, The top bushing is lower than a standard top but still taller than a 'low' top, the top of the IKP is damn near, if not at the bottom of the axle; lube in the pivot cavity. Also, and I'm sure most interested already know, but there is no 'shaft nut' for the IKP like Indy/Krux/Royal, just a regs kingpin nut jammed into a round cavity.
It's still moist where I am with more rain on the way, probably won't get to them until the weekend.
I am extremely excited to hear what you think about them. I liked my regular IKPs well enough. They’re just very heavy which is why I switched them out. I want the hollow slappys but I don’t NEED the hollow slappys lol.
It’s raining here again as predicted, so who knows when I’m gonna get to them.
I definitely didn’t need them…. They’re not super light I mean they’re the same weight as an indie hollow maybe a gram or two lighter… so still have some heft
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8.25" IKP Hollows just landed on my doorstep.
They don't seem as heavy in hand as I was expecting (hollows or not)...that grind clearance tho, damn...pics kinda do it justice but seeing it in person, it's crazy, The top bushing is lower than a standard top but still taller than a 'low' top, the top of the IKP is damn near, if not at the bottom of the axle; lube in the pivot cavity. Also, and I'm sure most interested already know, but there is no 'shaft nut' for the IKP like Indy/Krux/Royal, just a regs kingpin nut jammed into a round cavity.
It's still moist where I am with more rain on the way, probably won't get to them until the weekend.
I am extremely excited to hear what you think about them. I liked my regular IKPs well enough. They’re just very heavy which is why I switched them out. I want the hollow slappys but I don’t NEED the hollow slappys lol.
It’s raining here again as predicted, so who knows when I’m gonna get to them.
I definitely didn’t need them…. They’re not super light I mean they’re the same weight as an indie hollow maybe a gram or two lighter… so still have some heft
I’m on Indy forged hollows right now so that sounds comfy.
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For some perspective it’s Mike and a friend running the brand and shipping product.
It’s really interesting that the real garage brands, skater owned and operated brands, street plant, black label, now these… never get any love (nfg rip) but oh boy, them kids sure do love the indie board brand #4567 using generic BBS shapes…
It's because kids don't need some specific specialty shape or gear to rip and those brands you mentioned hasn't produced any marketing media that speaks to them. No one cares to support anything solely because the person running it rides a skateboard. I've met plenty of skaters that I don't care to support financially.
Example: A group of skaters around me love Loophole wheels but have never heard of NFG when I tried to talk to them about it even tho that's who made their products at the time. Branding is everything and those garage brands have too much trust in the charm of being a DIY operation or their legacy being a selling point.
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We got almost the full run of styles and sizes, no 8.75 standard hollows.
https://www.35thave.com/module/search_content.htm?form_version=2&showSearchResults=1&search_keyword=Slappy+trucks&image.x=0&image.y=0
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Also, and I'm sure most interested already know, but there is no 'shaft nut' for the IKP like Indy/Krux/Royal, just a regs kingpin nut jammed into a round cavity
I’m curious to see how that nut situation holds up and whether or not the kingpin loosens with use. That seems to be a common feature of IKP trucks. Hopefully it’s more secure than Lurpiv’s nut.
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I’m back riding the IKP wave. Just gotta buy loctite and anytime you fuck with your trucks and take ‘em apart, clean off the threading on the kingpin with some rubbing alcohol real quick, then apply loctite again and good to go. So if these slappy trucks have the same issue, just scoop some loctite.
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Also, and I'm sure most interested already know, but there is no 'shaft nut' for the IKP like Indy/Krux/Royal, just a regs kingpin nut jammed into a round cavity
I’m curious to see how that nut situation holds up and whether or not the kingpin loosens with use. That seems to be a common feature of IKP trucks. Hopefully it’s more secure than Lurpiv’s nut.
Mine did. I’ve read (although i haven’t tried myself) that the AF1 kingpin nut with retreaded built in keep them from loosening if you’re not wanting to do loctite.
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This may have been mentioned already, but does anyone know if these suck in the wheelbase similar to an Indy? Or what effect these have on wheelbase in general?
I want to try the hollow IKP even though I really don’t need more gear rn
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This may have been mentioned already, but does anyone know if these suck in the wheelbase similar to an Indy? Or what effect these have on wheelbase in general?
I want to try the hollow IKP even though I really don’t need more gear rn
If memory serves, +3.1 ish similar to Indy forged?
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First session, new deck (14.20" ish WB, mellow kicks), 8.25" trucks and 52mm spit classics.
Nut flush (IKP) - I did adjust both trucks prior to setting up (one was cranked down more than flush), stock everything.
These are easily the most skateable trucks out of the bag I've ever ridden. Zero adjustment (after setting nut flush). 185lbs right now and they were perfect (just a tad 'new bushing' feel, but they broke in very fast during a ~2hr session). Unless the bushings get super smooshy I don't see the need to adjust them, even after they break in.
Pinch/Grind - They do. Feel like grinding indys. Fast(er? I did slip out on the tail end of quite a few b-side 50s and 5-Os), loud and smooth. Definitely not soft like ACE Classics and not hard like Venture/AF1(and to some extent, Royal). Grinds were done on heavy rain-washed (for like 3 fucking weeks) well skated curbs (no wax).
Turn: Great! Not sure, but somewhere between ACE (not as squirrly) and Indy (faster turn yet still stable when you need them). If anything there is just a hint of initial turn delay but I'm chalking that up to new bushings as just pushing/front foot steering and swerving around they did what I wanted.
Bushings are super spongy/bouncy feeling, lots of rebound, they feel very very lively. Very different than ACE /Royal / Indy stocks
Pop feel is very light, I was surprised, I was expecting any Indy feel.
Weight: They're hefty, no denying it (coming off Thunder Team hollow).
They're honestly, fantastic if you want an ACE/INDY/ML turn but feel like each one of those isn't just right (slow/squirrly/heavy/soft/too low). Again; the best set and forget trucks out of the bag I've ever set up.
Wheelbite: Never got pitched and the marks are super small:
Front Truck TOE side :
(https://i.ibb.co/FJ98Fgg/IMG-3960.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJ98Fgg)
Front Truck HEEL side (fucking tiny):
(https://i.ibb.co/Sw7vSbV/IMG-3959.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sw7vSbV)
No wheelbite marks at all for the rear trucks, either side.
I'll check back in after a few more sessions...but color me impressed AF.
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This may have been mentioned already, but does anyone know if these suck in the wheelbase similar to an Indy? Or what effect these have on wheelbase in general?
I want to try the hollow IKP even though I really don’t need more gear rn
If memory serves, +3.1 ish similar to Indy forged?
(https://i.ibb.co/gm3Dv7F/Screenshot-2023-03-18-201504.png) (https://ibb.co/gm3Dv7F)
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This may have been mentioned already, but does anyone know if these suck in the wheelbase similar to an Indy? Or what effect these have on wheelbase in general?
I want to try the hollow IKP even though I really don’t need more gear rn
If memory serves, +3.1 ish similar to Indy forged?
(https://i.ibb.co/gm3Dv7F/Screenshot-2023-03-18-201504.png) (https://ibb.co/gm3Dv7F)
Ah, so close yet so far away. Thanks for re-sharing that, I forgot Schmitt did those measurements
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Awesome info!! I was looking for reviews on Hollow slap trucks and came across this. You would say they are much lighter than independent hollows? I ordered the hollow 8.5 in. Thanks for link
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BOOM!
(https://i.ibb.co/W21tqc0/IMG-20230320-193025-490.webp) (https://ibb.co/rwJsTZ3)
(https://i.ibb.co/vHDvzwd/IMG-20230320-193025-767.webp) (https://ibb.co/G0F3PxM)
(https://i.ibb.co/gwctkdy/IMG-20230320-193025-645.webp) (https://ibb.co/sQXs8Cj)
(https://i.ibb.co/bBcZjq5/IMG-20230320-193025-983.webp) (https://ibb.co/VSfZ0rY)
whispering pines elementary (https://nonprofitlight.com/fl/boca-raton/pta-whispering-pines-elementary)
I'll do some comparison to other 8.25 trucks when I get home tomorrow
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Awesome info!! I was looking for reviews on Hollow slap trucks and came across this. You would say they are much lighter than independent hollows? I ordered the hollow 8.5 in. Thanks for link
Apples to apples (Indys listed are cast hollow):
Slappy 8.25" 362g
Indy 144 - 363g
Slappy 8.5" 368g
Indy 149 - 369g
So, yeah, they're lighter? :P
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I’ve got no plans to get these, and yet….I want to hear aaaaaaall about how they skate
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If I had to sum it up, they took the best from ACE and Indy, but more stable than either, with none of the drawbacks, except weight.
Which got me thinking, how fucking hard is it to make a truck that has ACE/INDY characteristics and make it light (no special metals, mind), like say, a Thunder team hollow or some shit (I see you ML, but not a low)?
You've got the 'light truck' camp over there with Thunder/Venture/Royal, but they are have that similar 'not ACE/Indy' turn, you know? For trucks to skate like Indy they have to be heavy? Looking at you ACE and Slappy (Lurpiv...industrial, z-flex, Paris, whateverthefukc, too).
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If I had to sum it up, they took the best from ACE and Indy, but more stable than either, with none of the drawbacks, except weight.
Which got me thinking, how fucking hard is it to make a truck that has ACE/INDY characteristics and make it light (no special metals, mind), like say, a Thunder team hollow or some shit (I see you ML, but not a low)?
You've got the 'light truck' camp over there with Thunder/Venture/Royal, but they are have that similar 'not ACE/Indy' turn, you know? For trucks to skate like Indy they have to be heavy? Looking at you ACE and Slappy (Lurpiv...industrial, z-flex, Paris, whateverthefukc, too).
That is an interesting point: the turn is heavy.
How’s the slappy pop?
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If I had to sum it up, they took the best from ACE and Indy, but more stable than either, with none of the drawbacks, except weight.
Which got me thinking, how fucking hard is it to make a truck that has ACE/INDY characteristics and make it light (no special metals, mind), like say, a Thunder team hollow or some shit (I see you ML, but not a low)?
You've got the 'light truck' camp over there with Thunder/Venture/Royal, but they are have that similar 'not ACE/Indy' turn, you know? For trucks to skate like Indy they have to be heavy? Looking at you ACE and Slappy (Lurpiv...industrial, z-flex, Paris, whateverthefukc, too).
That is an interesting point: the turn is heavy.
How’s the slappy pop?
Lighter than expected but still feels like an ACE/Indy feel. Running on a short WB (14 3/8th), normally I only run indy/ace on 14.3x + WBs to pull them in some. I'm going to move them over to a longer WB at some point.
Make no mistake, they are firmly in the Indy/ACE (theeve, real close to theeve) camp for turn feel, IF ACE and Indy had a baby = Slappy..I mean, just look at them =)
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Which got me thinking, how fucking hard is it to make a truck that has ACE/INDY characteristics and make it light (no special metals, mind), like say, a Thunder team hollow or some shit (I see you ML, but not a low)?
My guess is really hard? I think it comes down to height and the length of the kingpin needing to be longer in order to give a deeper turn. With a taller kingpin, I assume the hanger has to be beefed up to both support the extra height and to give a reasonable clearance. All this goes towards weight being heavier. I think thunder is able to do the thinner hangers since its lower and the center of gravity isn't as dramatic. Could be wrong but thats my thinking.
Also, one of the appeals of indy and to an extent, ace, is that the hangers are more substantial and carry through crustier grinds better. This is my experience at least.
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I’ve got a lightly used pair, they aren’t for me..If anyone is curious to try them, I’m willing to trade for comparable Indy or Ace..
8.75” wide ...
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(https://i.ibb.co/vHDvzwd/IMG-20230320-193025-767.webp) (https://ibb.co/G0F3PxM)
I'll do some comparison to other 8.25 trucks when I get home tomorrow
Man from this angle they kinda look like a theeve and indy had a head on collision.
Can any of you guys compare them to destructo d1?
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I’ve got a lightly used pair, they aren’t for me..If anyone is curious to try them, I’m willing to trade for comparable Indy or Ace..
8.75” wide ...
inverted kp?
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I'm glad people are enjoying these and they arent just some useless crap flooding the market. Really, as a gear nerd I like hearing about people being stoked on their shit, honestly.
But god damn, I can't stand looking at them.
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They Manny and grind very nicely. Turn is basically indyism if I remember correctly. It's been some years since I last indyed
Bushings are definitely aceism. I'm going to swap out if anything fits
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I'm glad people are enjoying these and they arent just some useless crap flooding the market. Really, as a gear nerd I like hearing about people being stoked on their shit, honestly.
But god damn, I can't stand looking at them.
Yeah, they look like some trucks off a Walmart complete. The tech and performance might be there but I have to be physically attracted to my trucks.
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
I noticed the the pivot cups are nicely lubricated. I was kinda shocked to see that attention to detail.
I'm dumping my risers. Even with a 58 it's unnecessary
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
I almost used bottle caps.
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
I almost used bottle caps.
saving this idea in the back of my head for a rainy day
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That hanger shape is so nice for slappy crooks. I never ever do those and boom I'm like popping out. I did like 5 and ate total shit.
Flat washers helps big time.
Smaller wheels is better with these.
Here's what I chose
Too early to say much now I think about it
(https://i.ibb.co/Zh5d9MX/16798802729401247138967704179036.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sFnj7VR)
(https://i.ibb.co/yFdDgTX/16798803207011221036703208550863.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8gNJP30)
(https://i.ibb.co/mzjGdhp/IMG-20230326-212932133.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w6kR8pt)
What the flat washers look like
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I was thinking about swapping to a flat washer as the stock washer looks like it's binding to me, if you ride loose there is next to no room between the hanger
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I was thinking about swapping to a flat washer as the stock washer looks like it's binding to me, if you ride loose there is next to no room between the hanger
agreed.
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So, Theeve 4.0 without TI?
That is some serious grind clearance tho...
Been a while, but I skated with an old homie whom I gifted some Theeve a while back and took them for a spin....
They're almost the same damn feeling truck, just taller; feel pretty spot on having called them Theeve 4.0. Faster initial turn than Indy, and stable when you need them, very much ACE deep turn without wheelbite but with that center stability Theeve used.
Even the yoke (and under hanger design is silimlar).
Slappy Trucks, the brother from another, and another, and another mother.
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So, Theeve 4.0 without TI?
That is some serious grind clearance tho...
Been a while, but I skated with an old homie whom I gifted some Theeve a while back and took them for a spin....
They're almost the same damn feeling truck, just taller; feel pretty spot on having called them Theeve 4.0. Faster initial turn than Indy, and stable when you need them, very much ACE deep turn without wheelbite but with that center stability Theeve used.
Even the yoke (and under hanger design is silimlar).
Slappy Trucks, the brother from another, and another, and another mother.
As someone who came directly from Theeve to Slappy, can confirm! I noticed that I didn't have a lot to say about them other than them feeling perfect for me. Just a slightly taller Theeve with even better kingpin clearance. Like an Indy with better turn stability. Like an Ace with better pop and less wheelbite.
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So, Theeve 4.0 without TI?
That is some serious grind clearance tho...
Been a while, but I skated with an old homie whom I gifted some Theeve a while back and took them for a spin....
They're almost the same damn feeling truck, just taller; feel pretty spot on having called them Theeve 4.0. Faster initial turn than Indy, and stable when you need them, very much ACE deep turn without wheelbite but with that center stability Theeve used.
Even the yoke (and under hanger design is silimlar).
Slappy Trucks, the brother from another, and another, and another mother.
As someone who came directly from Theeve to Slappy, can confirm! I noticed that I didn't have a lot to say about them other than them feeling perfect for me. Just a slightly taller Theeve with even better kingpin clearance. Like an Indy with better turn stability. Like an Ace with better pop and less wheelbite.
(https://i.ibb.co/1mv8NN3/Screenshot-2023-04-13-182711.png) (https://ibb.co/1mv8NN3)
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I was thinking about swapping to a flat washer as the stock washer looks like it's binding to me, if you ride loose there is next to no room between the hanger
Yeah, I've been having issues with the top washer as well. I felt like I had to ride them stock at first to get a feel for them. Bad idea. It started digging into my top bushing immediately. I seriously don't understand why they insist on using cupped washers.
This is after the first session. Some big pieces had already fallen off
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The slappy hollow IKP is not compatible with Indy or Royal IKP plates (it's too short / not enough threads).
That is all.
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I noticed the the pivot cups are nicely lubricated. I was kinda shocked to see that attention to detail.
my AF1s had goop in there as well
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
I almost used bottle caps.
genius..
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
I almost used bottle caps.
genius..
Fury X Lowcard did this
(https://www.saltypeaks.com/pi/p15351-Truck_FuryLowCardCollab.jpg)
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
I almost used bottle caps.
genius..
I got it from freestyle heads. They do it to have more traction when standing in the truck.
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Looks punk as fuck tho.
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Looks punk as fuck tho.
I agree. It's a very good look.
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I bought an 8.25" set of the hollow axle / hollow inverted kingpin trucks, and I love them. Great turn, great grind, great manual, great compliments from interested folks at my local park, great vibes all around. And I do like seeing that Slappy logo on the baseplate when I'm looking at my setup. I'm thinking about getting a set of the solid axle / inverted kingpin Slappys for my cruiser board.
I swapped out the bushings (the ones I like are much harder than the stock bushings), and then I put a pair of hollow Krux DLKs on them too, and they're spectacular. The kingpin swap may be more for mental reasons than anything else: Those Krux DLKs weigh 20 grams, the hollow inverted kingpins that come with the Slappy's are 25 grams, and the solid inverted kingpins that NHS makes and puts in their Indy and Krux inverted kingpin trucks are 30 grams.
I was riding a pair of Frankenstein'd Independent Mids with a hollow 144 axle and the same kingpin and bushing setup as above, but wanted to give Mike's trucks a try.
I am worried about how the axle nut just sits in the Slappy Baseplate (it's a hex bed setup) because I had a set of Krux K4's that were built like that, and over time the axle nut stretched out the baseplate and those kingpins would move around laterally. If that happens with the Slappy Trucks I'll try JB Welding that sumbitch in place, or if the baseplate gets fucked, try putting the Slappy Hanger on the Indy Mid Baseplate (I do like how the kingpin screws into those).
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
I almost used bottle caps.
genius..
Fury X Lowcard did this
(https://www.saltypeaks.com/pi/p15351-Truck_FuryLowCardCollab.jpg)
those bottle caps actually looks good..
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It took a minute, but now I know why there’s less wheelbite using Slappy trucks:
Because as the bushings break in and get squishy the washer binds, but not where you typically think it would (like with a venture behind king nut), it actually binds on the left and right side as you lean into your turn.
(https://i.ibb.co/zb5CFjd/IMG-4212.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zb5CFjd)
Just using hand strength whatever the fuck my grip strength is, I’m not touching the board with the wheel but my washer is now bound up against the hanger and I can’t turn any more, the board just lifts off the ground at that point.
This photo having switched to flat sleeved washers, you can see or maybe you can’t but it’s what’s happening, I’m now able to use hand strength and get the wheel to wheelbite, but I am no longer bound at the washer/hanger contact point you’ll also note, the ridges in the top bushings are exactly where the washer is digging in/or compressing to their max using the stock washer.
(https://i.ibb.co/C1BmwnB/IMG-4213.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C1BmwnB)
I bones washer also works fine for this.
Still really like them tho...!
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made in china with exclusive trucks for zumiez i can't support them anymore, gone back to thunder team standard
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Really loving my set so far. I got the hollow IKP in 8.5. They're relatively new but they grind really well and once I took out the bottom washer they turn beautifully. The top washer is kind of ripping at the top as people have mentioned but I don't really mind it :)
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made in china with exclusive trucks for zumiez i can't support them anymore, gone back to thunder team standard
Mind to elaborate? Don’t know anything about your claims
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Slappy's are available in the UK now, but there's no distribution in Europe yet. Hopefully, I will be able to buy a pair without paying taxes soon now that they're being distributed with Enjoi and Madness 2.0
https://blacksheepstore.co.uk/collections/skateboards/slappy-trucks
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made in china with exclusive trucks for zumiez i can't support them anymore, gone back to thunder team standard
Mind to elaborate? Don’t know anything about your claims
email i got sent from slappy:
The top bushing you mentioned is most likely from me designing the first round of washers too close to the actual size of the bushing. I will open the washer up / make larger to avoid the bushing to bubble over. I am also working on harder and softer replacement bushings as well. I would cone the bushing more but I love how it turns so I didn’t want to change a thing. Glad to hear a new washer is helping. The trucks are designed and tested in the USA but currently the trucks are being manufactured in China.
zumiez exclusive trucks not available anywhere else:
https://www.zumiez.com/brands/slappy-truck-company.html
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made in china with exclusive trucks for zumiez i can't support them anymore, gone back to thunder team standard
Mind to elaborate? Don’t know anything about your claims
email i got sent from slappy:
The top bushing you mentioned is most likely from me designing the first round of washers too close to the actual size of the bushing. I will open the washer up / make larger to avoid the bushing to bubble over. I am also working on harder and softer replacement bushings as well. I would cone the bushing more but I love how it turns so I didn’t want to change a thing. Glad to hear a new washer is helping. The trucks are designed and tested in the USA but currently the trucks are being manufactured in China.
zumiez exclusive trucks not available anywhere else:
https://www.zumiez.com/brands/slappy-truck-company.html
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From personal experience, widening the washer (surface area on top of bushing) will only cause it to bind on the side of the yoke faster...odd choice.
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So I threw flat washers on um. I hate regular shape bushing washers. I never ever use those on anything anymore. The industry should just switch. I'm pretty sure in the 70s and 80s most washers were flat. Some trucks had double barrels too.
Yes, flat washers are a simple way of getting a looser feeling truck. I've found it hard to get small ones for the top though.
I almost used bottle caps.
genius..
Fury X Lowcard did this
(https://www.saltypeaks.com/pi/p15351-Truck_FuryLowCardCollab.jpg)
those bottle caps actually looks good..
They actually skate really well too. Kinda like a less twitchy feeling thunder. I still have a set around here somewhere I think.
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Cruised on my buddy's board equipped with stock slappies except he uses the OG Krux IKP's. Meh. I don't see any reason to buy these besides the kingpin clearance I guess. Indy's still turn better and they offer the same option.
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Yo.
Put soft white Indy bushing in these trucks.
Boner city yo. Boner city.
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Buddy of mine showed me his cracked baseplates yesterday, he's an older dude who is light impact type just does slow slappies and some flat ground so he doesn't really beat the hell out of his trucks. I never noticed before, but the square cutout in the middle of the baseplates for weight reduction has super thin sides so I wouldn't be surprised this keeps happening til they change the design. They are already sending out a warranty replacement which is cool, but I have a feeling he will be back on Indy and Ace soon lol.
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Buddy of mine showed me his cracked baseplates yesterday, he's an older dude who is light impact type just does slow slappies and some flat ground so he doesn't really beat the hell out of his trucks. I never noticed before, but the square cutout in the middle of the baseplates for weight reduction has super thin sides so I wouldn't be surprised this keeps happening til they change the design. They are already sending out a warranty replacement which is cool, but I have a feeling he will be back on Indy and Ace soon lol.
That reminds me of the significant number of Indy Stage 9 baseplates with those cutouts that caused the baseplate to end up in two pieces, along with any number of baseplates from Thunder, Destructo, Venture or others with similar mid cut outs to the Slappy trucks I have from over the years, when others broke them.
With the Indy trucks at least, I never broke them skating, more so when the board shot out straight into a curb hitting the truck at speed, which caused the baseplate to buckle enough to then form a crack and when taking it off the deck, tweaked it enough to have one end up with the pivot point popping out, so I guess the wrong / right amount of force in the wrong / right place and it could put a little too much stress on that weaker middle area.
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Since they are now available in Germany, i tried some and – even though i thought, i don't need another truck besides Ace – the trucks were a pleasant surprise. Changed the top washer for a flat one – kingpin nut flush: i really do like the exact right spot between squirrely and carvy. The grind is way more satisfying than with Ace, way harder
Just need to adjust to the increased height. everything, where you pop your board was off.
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zumiez exclusive trucks not available anywhere else:
https://www.zumiez.com/brands/slappy-truck-company.html
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Does this make Zoomiez more core than skate shops? I mean skate shops all carry the same shit and they all sell online. Good on you Zoomiez for standing out...Step your shit up skate shops!!
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Nah just sends home how little the industry needed Slappy and how meh they actually are.
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sorry if this is not covered but couldnt not easily find - how do slappy trucks affect WB compared to Indy's? Are they more tucked in like Aces, or more pushed out like thunders?
Something interesting is that they are only offering Forged baseplates, but maintaining that 55mm height. so they must be using a slightly longer kingpin to account for this?
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sorry if this is not covered but couldnt not easily find - how do slappy trucks affect WB compared to Indy's? Are they more tucked in like Aces, or more pushed out like thunders?
Something interesting is that they are only offering Forged baseplates, but maintaining that 55mm height. so they must be using a slightly longer kingpin to account for this?
"search this topic"
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=124231.msg3983179;topicseen#msg3983179
(https://i.ibb.co/GVGmFsV/Screenshot-2023-03-18-201504.png) (https://ibb.co/GVGmFsV)
More than Indy and presumably less than thunders
slappy 53.9mm
Indy forged are 53.5mm
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ah so they are not 55mm height! someone here told me they were!!
so really they are almost the same angle as a forged indy (only .06 difference...), and also just a touch higher (0.4mm). now it makes sense. Thank you!
So then Indy Standards still are champ for tallest truck...
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Wasn't there a brand called Standard trucks using this font for the lettrering?
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I hella back these trucks. Turn is kind of like an Indy with venture inspired stability.
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I hella back these trucks. Turn is kind of like an Indy with venture inspired stability.
Underrated truck, but you can get that same feel using hard[er] bushings in AF1s.
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Looks like forged plates are on the way
(https://i.ibb.co/Ks8NPjt/IMG-0243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ks8NPjt)
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Looks like forged plates are on the way
(https://i.ibb.co/Ks8NPjt/IMG-0243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ks8NPjt)
Or the truck just fell off…..
Stoked to hear this
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Looks like forged plates are on the way
(https://i.ibb.co/Ks8NPjt/IMG-0243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ks8NPjt)
I assume these will lower the trucks a bit like how it works with forged indys? I hope you can order just the plates or something, I got gifted a pair for xmas which I haven't skated yet so I wanna wear them down before trying something new and it'd be sick to just be able to swap the plates
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I hope they lower them a bit as well; thinner plate too hopefully so you don't have to crank 7/8" so much to engage all the nylon in the bolts.
Don't trust them to sell it separately as said they'd sell different bushings as well (combo duros too); but that didn't happen...new brand I get it buuuut...
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I assume these will lower the trucks a bit like how it works with forged indys?
DM'd him (like a man) and he said the height will be the same. Kinda surprised by that.
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Kinda surprised by that.
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so whats the point then? if its the same height, wouldn't the weight be close to the same?
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so whats the point then? if its the same height, wouldn't the weight be close to the same?
Marginal weight reduction, increased strength? Not that I've heard complaints about either from the [few] people I know that skate them/anything online.
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I love my slappy trucks. They've taken a beating. Probably over 3000 grinds and still look good. I only had to replace the pivot cups once.
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I love my slappy trucks. They've taken a beating. Probably over 3000 grinds and still look good. I only had to replace the pivot cups once.
i really do like those trucks. But in terms of toughness and "taking a beating" they are more in the Ace or even Venture territory. Skating mostly rather smooth slappies the last hald year (may 15 sessions), they already look rather beat. An indy would have looked better. Anyways, next one will still be Slappy trucks. still love how they turn (without the top washer) and how they grind
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people always complain about inverted kingpins sucking, are the slappy ones any different?
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people always complain about inverted kingpins sucking, are the slappy ones any different?
I've had issues with them loosening. I tried loctite, but had to resort to lightly JB-weld the nut on one of my trucks. Holding up so far.
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people always complain about inverted kingpins sucking, are the slappy ones any different?
I've had issues with them loosening. I tried loctite, but had to resort to lightly JB-weld the nut on one of my trucks. Holding up so far.
Thx for the reply, never messed with inverted kingpins since having to do shit to them goes beyond me.
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Thousands of slappys on this and no issues... I did replace the pivot cups once because they were squeaky. I mostly do slappy grinds and no kingpin loosening. I took the kingpin off when replacing the pivot cups and it feels brand new once I put the truck back together. Highly recommend I don't see what a lot of the naysayers are bringing up about the kingpin loosening.. it has tons of thread I was surprised when I checked it out that I could probably tighten it a lot more than I do.
(https://i.ibb.co/MBzS7KJ/IMG-7917.jpg)
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Thing about slappy vs mindys/royals is slappy just has a kingpin nut wedge/secured in the baseplate, not some special threaded design sleeve/shaft nut combo...so I can't see how it being upside down would cause it to loosen? Vibration in the plate traveling through the nut? I still ride my inverted 8.75 slappies on the regular and haven't needed to tighten them due to them loosening up,
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Buddy of mine showed me his cracked baseplates yesterday, he's an older dude who is light impact type just does slow slappies and some flat ground so he doesn't really beat the hell out of his trucks. I never noticed before, but the square cutout in the middle of the baseplates for weight reduction has super thin sides so I wouldn't be surprised this keeps happening til they change the design. They are already sending out a warranty replacement which is cool, but I have a feeling he will be back on Indy and Ace soon lol.
That reminds me of the significant number of Indy Stage 9 baseplates with those cutouts that caused the baseplate to end up in two pieces, along with any number of baseplates from Thunder, Destructo, Venture or others with similar mid cut outs to the Slappy trucks I have from over the years, when others broke them.
With the Indy trucks at least, I never broke them skating, more so when the board shot out straight into a curb hitting the truck at speed, which caused the baseplate to buckle enough to then form a crack and when taking it off the deck, tweaked it enough to have one end up with the pivot point popping out, so I guess the wrong / right amount of force in the wrong / right place and it could put a little too much stress on that weaker middle area.
I've broken baseplates. It happens sometimes. You'd be surprised the stomping force a few good sessions in a row can generate. I fuckin try to pow it sometimes. Mostly I bend shit.
I almost set up the slappies today. I didn't even know I still had um. I already had a 5.8 on the new stick so next time maybe.
I kinda think it's almost too pretty to skate.
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Looks like forged plates are on the way
(https://i.ibb.co/Ks8NPjt/IMG-0243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ks8NPjt)
Plate is looking thinner in these shots
(https://i.ibb.co/281P8d7/IMG-5881.png) (https://ibb.co/281P8d7)
(https://i.ibb.co/cD5s8q6/IMG-5882.png) (https://ibb.co/cD5s8q6)
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Looks like forged plates are on the way
(https://i.ibb.co/Ks8NPjt/IMG-0243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ks8NPjt)
Plate is looking thinner in these shots
(https://i.ibb.co/281P8d7/IMG-5881.png) (https://ibb.co/281P8d7)
(https://i.ibb.co/cD5s8q6/IMG-5882.png) (https://ibb.co/cD5s8q6)
hopefully there's a non-colored version of these
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Looks like forged plates are on the way
(https://i.ibb.co/Ks8NPjt/IMG-0243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ks8NPjt)
Plate is looking thinner in these shots
(https://i.ibb.co/281P8d7/IMG-5881.png) (https://ibb.co/281P8d7)
(https://i.ibb.co/cD5s8q6/IMG-5882.png) (https://ibb.co/cD5s8q6)
hopefully there's a non-colored version of these
Is this a forged plate? Looks cozy either way.
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Looks like forged plates are on the way
(https://i.ibb.co/Ks8NPjt/IMG-0243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ks8NPjt)
Plate is looking thinner in these shots
(https://i.ibb.co/281P8d7/IMG-5881.png) (https://ibb.co/281P8d7)
(https://i.ibb.co/cD5s8q6/IMG-5882.png) (https://ibb.co/cD5s8q6)
hopefully there's a non-colored version of these
Is this a forged plate? Looks cozy either way.
Yep, forged plate but same height as the cast version (neat) to retain the height and lighten them up a bit; word on the street is only these color plates at launch, silver later...
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Someone please explain to me why companies won’t make a black plate and raw hanger anymore
Mike if you’re reading this
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They just dropped 10-inch trucks too.
They are going off with expanding the range
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Someone please explain to me why companies won’t make a black plate and raw hanger anymore
Mike if you’re reading this
lol Wut?
Literally every brand that's worth skating has or has had them, Don't sleep. All readily available...and many from their respective companies last few/couple of drops...
https://shop.ccs.com/products/independent-stage-11-hollow-grant-taylor-barcode-skateboard-trucks-silver-black-159mm
(https://thedarkslide.com/cdn/shop/products/66361_540x.jpg?v=1676413538)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/stage-11-forged-hollow-btg-summit-silver-black-standard-skateboard-trucks-independent?variant=43202705588381
(https://nhsskatedirect.com/cdn/shop/files/71144_1000x.jpg?v=1698351929)
https://www.tactics.com/thunder/wade-desarmo-pro-hollow-lights-skateboard-trucks/polished-black-148
(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/preview/1TTHUDESSTP47HK.jpg)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Thunder_Foy_Screaming_Banshee_Hollow_Light_Trucks/descpage-TUFBTR.html
(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/hi-res/1TTHUFOYSCB49HK.jpg)
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-af1-theories-hollow-truck
(https://mesaskatesupply.com/cdn/shop/files/ACExTOA_MSSM-Product_d810986a-9839-4380-9a71-c56a47eb27f2.jpg?v=1685657932&width=713)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-vch-skate-jawn-high-raw-black-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2
(https://shop.ccs.com/cdn/shop/files/888560305236-1_1280x.jpg?v=1693261396)
(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-v-light-elise-guest-artist-high-polished-black-skateboard-trucks-5.6-hanger-8.25-axle-set-of-2)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-v-hollow-og-wings-low-polished-black-skateboard-trucks-5.0-hanger-7.75-axle-set-of-2
(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/hi-res/1TVEN050HOGWHKK.jpg)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/venture-trucks-v-light-elise-guest-artist-high-polished-black-skateboard-trucks-5.6-hanger-8.25-axle-set-of-2
(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/hi-res/1TVEN256LELISHK.jpg)
https://garageskateshop.com/products/venture-shanahan-pro-edition-trucks?variant=40622541930656
(https://garageskateshop.com/cdn/shop/products/ve-cp-trk-d1-shanahan-pro-editions-front-VENTURE_798x798.jpg?v=1628786322)
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Ok well I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
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Ok well I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
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Is it just me, or do slappys turn better than Indy’s? Stepped on my daughters set up with Indy’s after messing around with mine with slappys and it turned but for some reason just felt stiff, both king pins are flushed too. Blew my mind had to share.
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Better? Subjective, to be sure.
Not sure if you ever tried Theeves but these are pretty much those..faster turning indy, slower turning ACE, with more stability than either. Wish they were a bit lower.
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Seeing that the forged will not give a height reduction, I was kind of bummed as these are just to tall for my liking. Currently on ace lows, they're great. But I did message slappy trucks on Instagram. I asked if they are doing something lower and I got an answer of " Testing Currently, in the works". So we'll see hopefully a lower truck.
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I’d imagine the no wheelbite guarantee would be an issue. I have a pair and they are a pretty nice truck that really clheck all boxes, but height.
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I can't believe the forged ones are the same height until someone here measures theirs. Why would they do this?
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Is it just me, or do slappys turn better than Indy’s? Stepped on my daughters set up with Indy’s after messing around with mine with slappys and it turned but for some reason just felt stiff, both king pins are flushed too. Blew my mind had to share.
That's normal. I had to put cut bushings in our kids trucks.
I suggest the Venture loose trucks truck with the green bushings for people under 100 lbs. Is100 the best truck for kids turns incredible. Can get loos like an ace but no wheel bite.
My 6.1s jingle but I can stand full weight on the rail still. Do a 360+ turn around.
I have 58mm wheel anda 1/8 riser. I'm 160lbs
Speed whobbles NEVER. I am a speed freak tho
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life.
I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance (which was already great) improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before. Also they maintain at the level of tightness I like, and I'm only having to tighten them once every few sessions, which is incredible. I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids AND they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve all of the problems associated with inverted kingpin trucks. Unfortunately they didn't work for me, and from reading around over here, it sounds like they didn't work for a lot of people (including the pros who had their names on those particular type of trucks). The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids, and the addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. Those are now set up on my cruiser, where they are enjoying semi-retirement life. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life. I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before (didn't suddenly become way too loose). I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids and they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve that problem. Unfortunately it didn't for me. The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids. The addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
You’re welcome!
I’m a month into skating my slappy/ace hybrids and still extremely happy with my choices.
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I actually think about doing the mad scientist as well and put the Slappy hanger on my ace af1 baseplate.
Can I extract / reuse the inverted kingpin from the Slappy ? Or do I need to get another kingpin?
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I actually think about doing the mad scientist as well and put the Slappy hanger on my ace af1 baseplate.
Can I extract / reuse the inverted kingpin from the Slappy ? Or do I need to get another kingpin?
The old kingpin should work fine, but I would recommend using a brand new kingpin nut to JB weld into the baseplate, so that your trucks won't loosen up as easily.
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life. I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before (didn't suddenly become way too loose). I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids and they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve that problem. Unfortunately it didn't for me. The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids. The addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
You’re welcome!
I’m a month into skating my slappy/ace hybrids and still extremely happy with my choices.
Besides the lower height, what’s the advantage? Aces grind worse (too soft).
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I actually think about doing the mad scientist as well and put the Slappy hanger on my ace af1 baseplate.
Can I extract / reuse the inverted kingpin from the Slappy ? Or do I need to get another kingpin?
The old kingpin should work fine, but I would recommend using a brand new kingpin nut to JB weld into the baseplate, so that your trucks won't loosen up as easily.
I don’t have Slappy yet. I was thinking about getting hollow inverted Slappy and put it on my ace, ideally reusing the inverted (new) kingpin of the Slappy as it’s hollow + JB weld it
Else, do you know if I can find some good inverted hollow kingpin in Europe ?
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life. I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before (didn't suddenly become way too loose). I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids and they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve that problem. Unfortunately it didn't for me. The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids. The addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
You’re welcome!
I’m a month into skating my slappy/ace hybrids and still extremely happy with my choices.
Besides the lower height, what’s the advantage? Aces grind worse (too soft).
I’m using the ace plates with Slappy hanger (not the other way around), exactly BECAUSE the Slappy metal grinds so much better.
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Besides the lower height, what’s the advantage? Aces grind worse (too soft).
There's a (slight) weight reduction with the forged Ace AF-1 Baseplate, and I think they look cooler than the soon-to-be previous generation Slappy Baseplate. I will try the forged Slappy Baseplates when those come out though, especially if there is a color option (black would be so rad).
The Slappy hanger is made out of a stronger aluminum so they'll last longer than the Ace Hangers, and I don't do enough (any) nose or tailslides to worry about wearing out that one part of either Ace baseplate.
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life. I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before (didn't suddenly become way too loose). I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids and they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve that problem. Unfortunately it didn't for me. The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids. The addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
You’re welcome!
I’m a month into skating my slappy/ace hybrids and still extremely happy with my choices.
Besides the lower height, what’s the advantage? Aces grind worse (too soft).
I’m using the ace plates with Slappy hanger (not the other way around), exactly BECAUSE the Slappy metal grinds so much better.
Thanks - my bad. Of course. You are using the slappy hanger. Does the longer kingpin bother you?
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Does the longer kingpin bother you?
Mine don't, but I also happen to use a shorter inverted hollow kingpin (from the Krux K4's, they're sometimes called "Pink Labels" because Krux used to sell them individually in a clear bag with a pink label. Hopefully Krux brings those back because a lot of people realized how great those were after Krux stopped making them.). If you skate tight trucks you might run out of thread on the inverted kingpins, and/or the kingpin might start to make contact with the bottom of your deck which could cause more damage if you're jumping down things with your board. A good set of shock pads would help with that.
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life. I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before (didn't suddenly become way too loose). I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids and they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve that problem. Unfortunately it didn't for me. The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids. The addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
You’re welcome!
I’m a month into skating my slappy/ace hybrids and still extremely happy with my choices.
Besides the lower height, what’s the advantage? Aces grind worse (too soft).
I’m using the ace plates with Slappy hanger (not the other way around), exactly BECAUSE the Slappy metal grinds so much better.
Thanks - my bad. Of course. You are using the slappy hanger. Does the longer kingpin bother you?
Nah. AF-1’s have plenty of grind clearance as is.
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life.
I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance (which was already great) improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before. Also they maintain at the level of tightness I like, and I'm only having to tighten them once every few sessions, which is incredible. I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids AND they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve all of the problems associated with inverted kingpin trucks. Unfortunately they didn't work for me, and from reading around over here, it sounds like they didn't work for a lot of people (including the pros who had their names on those particular type of trucks). The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids, and the addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. Those are now set up on my cruiser, where they are enjoying semi-retirement life. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
There's one thing I don't like about the baseplate. The logo is sharp enough to cut you. I like to fondle my gear
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life.
I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance (which was already great) improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before. Also they maintain at the level of tightness I like, and I'm only having to tighten them once every few sessions, which is incredible. I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids AND they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve all of the problems associated with inverted kingpin trucks. Unfortunately they didn't work for me, and from reading around over here, it sounds like they didn't work for a lot of people (including the pros who had their names on those particular type of trucks). The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids, and the addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. Those are now set up on my cruiser, where they are enjoying semi-retirement life. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
There's one thing I don't like about the baseplate. The logo is sharp enough to cut you. I like to fondle my gear
For real. I like looking at my trucks inspecting the grooves forming. Had to pass some sandpaper over the logo to take down the edges.
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Someone on the Ace Thread (I don't know how to tag them, but their screenname is Here Comes A Regular) mentioned that a Slappy hanger fits perfectly on an Ace baseplate, and they work really well together. At the time I happened to be converting a pair of forged Ace baseplates to work with an inverted kingpin (JB Weld holding a kingpin nut under the baseplate), so I figured it was worth a try. Once the JB Weld cured, I set those baseplates up with my hollow Slappy hangers, and that shit changed my life.
I'm not sure if it works better (there may be a placebo effect going on), but it definitely didn't get worse. The turns and grinds felt great, the grind clearance (which was already great) improved dramatically, and everything felt just as stable as before. Also they maintain at the level of tightness I like, and I'm only having to tighten them once every few sessions, which is incredible. I bought a pair of Slappy Trucks after my frustration with my Indy Mids brought me to a breaking point: I had a LOT of lateral kingpin movement with the Indy Mids AND they came loose all the time, which was disappointing because the tech involved with those baseplates seemed like it would solve all of the problems associated with inverted kingpin trucks. Unfortunately they didn't work for me, and from reading around over here, it sounds like they didn't work for a lot of people (including the pros who had their names on those particular type of trucks). The inverted Slappys are a definite upgrade over the Indy Mids, and the addition of the Ace Baseplates were just a fun opportunity to play mad scientist, inspired by the recommendation of a great contributor to this board.
There was nothing wrong with the Slappy baseplates whatsoever, even after about a year's worth of honest wear. Those are now set up on my cruiser, where they are enjoying semi-retirement life. The Ace baseplates just happened to be a little lighter, a little stronger, and looked a lot cooler. I was also happy to see how everyone else loved the look of a black baseplate with a raw hanger, because that happened to be the color configuration I ended up with.
I am still curious about those new forged Slappy baseplates. If Slappy offers them in black, with a raw hollow hanger, and an inverted kingpin option, I'll have money ready.
There's one thing I don't like about the baseplate. The logo is sharp enough to cut you. I like to fondle my gear
For real. I like looking at my trucks inspecting the grooves forming. Had to pass some sandpaper over the logo to take down the edges.
That's a good idea.
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Been skating these for a couple weeks. Replaced top washer with a slightly bigger one to prevent them from bubbling over (which they did prior). Bushings started cracking after first session and after about a week they have started shredding big time and I have not cranked the nut down at all, completely flush. Swapped with some doh dohs cause that’s all my local had. Hoping they fix the bushings in the future. Overall, enjoying the trucks.
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Since the top bushings were immediately shredded, I Put some Indy 90a standard cylinder bushings in these bad boys after the first session. Now they are my favorite truck by far! As if Indy and Ace had a beautiful bastard son.
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Since the top bushings were immediately shredded, I Put some Indy 90a standard cylinder bushings in these bad boys after the first session. Now they are my favorite truck by far! As if Indy and Ace had a beautiful bastard son.
I use Indy bushings as well.
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Since the top bushings were immediately shredded, I Put some Indy 90a standard cylinder bushings in these bad boys after the first session. Now they are my favorite truck by far! As if Indy and Ace had a beautiful bastard son.
I use Indy bushings as well.
Just put some Indy bushings in mine as well. Do they change the geometry at all or are they roughly the same size as the stock slappy bushings?
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Since the top bushings were immediately shredded, I Put some Indy 90a standard cylinder bushings in these bad boys after the first session. Now they are my favorite truck by far! As if Indy and Ace had a beautiful bastard son.
I use Indy bushings as well.
Just put some Indy bushings in mine as well. Do they change the geometry at all or are they roughly the same size as the stock slappy bushings?
Bottom bushings have the same height, so geometry is the same. Top bushing is higher so maybe less kingpin clearance. Sinclair confirmed it via IG message.
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Getting closer! Probably two weeks or so...
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Getting closer! Probably two weeks or so...
It is wild how a piece of metal can generate so many enthusiastic feelings. That improved hex bed really has my eye too. Hope the black ones make it to market along with the gold, red, and blue.
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Black/Raw plates aren't coming in this drop...weird. Guess adding some color is more important than sales? Really wish they'd sell the forged plates, at least in silver (and their bushings) separately.
Improved Hex bed is a welcome addition, tho I never had (or read about) anyone getting any issues with the 'wedged' in nut coming loose/falling out?
Still wish they were lower...but 'best grind clearance' is there thing (and unmatched tbh)...just have to settle for lighter/stronger.