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Title: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Squeak on November 29, 2022, 12:09:12 AM
Have u ever done one?

I did one when I was 15 on a box at the skate park. I’m 30 now

I went parallel to the box and then did a kick flip (which I had dialled at that time), and I kind of willed the tail with my mind into the ledge, and it slid for a bit and I came out.

I love Stefan janoskis kicnflip back tails

Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: mooraga on November 29, 2022, 06:50:20 AM
Have u ever done one?

I did one when I was 15 on a box at the skate park. I’m 30 now

I went parallel to the box and then did a kick flip (which I had dialled at that time), and I kind of willed the tail with my mind into the ledge, and it slid for a bit and I came out.

I love Stefan janoskis kicnflip back tails

33 skater dad over here ;D
last year I worked 3 blocks from a skateplaza, so every lunch break it was session time, all gear and clothes in the trunk
I managed to land a few nbd for me and kickflip back tail was one of them.

-my back tails always sucked hard so I invested a lot of time and sessions working on them, to regs and to fakie. I do still suck at them but learned how not to die while trying in the process
-quick kickflip its mandatory, find your right spot in the board to make them consistently
-shoulders as paralell to the ledge as you can
-try to land of top of the ledge (tail) a little squatted so you can balance
-try a lot on a non skateable ledge so I you got the motion
-and after 70 tries you might get one as I did
-never try again  ;D


Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: goodatmeth on November 29, 2022, 06:58:59 AM
I learned it before bs tails. I still can't bs tail, haven't done a single one because I'm always sticking. But for some reason if I kickflip into it it just slides without any resistance. It's so much easier for me
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: doublesteveburger on November 29, 2022, 07:00:14 AM
I learned it before bs tails. I still can't bs tail, haven't done a single one because I'm always sticking. But for some reason if I kickflip into it it just slides without any resistance. It's so much easier for me


same shit for me but with back smiths
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: goodatmeth on November 29, 2022, 07:01:00 AM
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I learned it before bs tails. I still can't bs tail, haven't done a single one because I'm always sticking. But for some reason if I kickflip into it it just slides without any resistance. It's so much easier for me
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same shit for me but with back smiths

Damn I can't bs smith either and might have to try flipping in. Seems super scary
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: smellsdead on November 29, 2022, 07:37:53 AM
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I learned it before bs tails. I still can't bs tail, haven't done a single one because I'm always sticking. But for some reason if I kickflip into it it just slides without any resistance. It's so much easier for me
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same shit for me but with back smiths

same for me but with ssbsnbs
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: bbk on November 29, 2022, 07:41:10 AM
I'm lucky enough to have one on film!

http://www.instagram.com/p/ByqAO2FApUv/
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Jewel Runner on November 29, 2022, 07:45:38 AM
I'm lucky enough to have a proper one on film!

http://www.instagram.com/p/ByqAO2FApUv/
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: roba on November 29, 2022, 07:46:58 AM
i have done one, just one. it's a trick that's in some ways easier than a regular back tail (which i have done a couple of times but most of the time i can't even get into them) because the board flips into the ledge but at the same time it's harder because you have to catch the kickflip and land into a back tail. i like ollie back tails more though.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Bobbybanana on November 29, 2022, 07:47:07 AM
Number 1 bunted trick I’ve seen. Dudes  who can’t really skate whip into them to look good at the park.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: rawbertson. on November 29, 2022, 07:49:42 AM
you ever seen fs shove to bs tail?
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Mean salto on November 29, 2022, 07:53:29 AM
Maybe done 100-150 of them. Maybe slid about 200 feet total. Done some switch even worse.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: backside_frontside on November 29, 2022, 07:54:07 AM
I’ve done one on a skate park box like ten years ago. I haven’t done one since but I have back tails pretty good. I feel like I could do it again but I just haven’t really put in the time trying it. Would rather learn switch back tail at this point.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: rawbertson. on November 29, 2022, 07:59:39 AM
trash.

just kidding. pretty legit. def better than i could do!

 i am just learning how to slide a back tail longer than like a foot or two, its scary. i would love to be able to do them like 20 feet like some of those guys
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: fineslime on November 29, 2022, 08:02:33 AM
trash.

just kidding. pretty legit. def better than i could do!

 i am just learning how to slide a back tail longer than like a foot or two, its scary. i would love to be able to do them like 20 feet like some of those guys

Haha, thanks man. It's all in the shoulders, really. You wanna keep your shoulders open and parallel to the ledge.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: ok boomer on November 29, 2022, 08:06:29 AM
in my prime (which ended in 2004), I could do kf back tail shove-its. I was all about kickflipping into everything at that time, but once I got the kf back tail, I felt pretty confident all around in my skating. To me it just looks the best. have not kickflipped into a grind or slide since like 2013 due to my left ankle being complete trash. It is a gross feeling to know that you will probably never do something again, that at one time made you feel pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: camel filters on November 29, 2022, 08:14:08 AM
It’s either within 15 tries or none at all. I do one every 3 years. Next one in 2025  8)
https://youtu.be/b4zdr29uklY
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Arto!Arto!WakeUp! on November 29, 2022, 08:17:32 AM
this is my ultimate dream trick but i think it might be beyond me.

that said i've got most of the stuff i had on my dream list when i restarted so we'll see.

just learned fs tails a couple of weeks ago, so at least i know i can get my tail on a ledge at least.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: fineslime on November 29, 2022, 08:22:35 AM
this is my ultimate dream trick but i think it might be beyond me.

that said i've got most of the stuff i had on my dream list when i restarted so we'll see.

just learned fs tails a couple of weeks ago, so at least i know i can get my tail on a ledge at least.

When it comes to kickflipping into grinds you want to aim the flick at the grind, if that makes any sense. Before locking into whatever slide or grind it is the flick should already be complete and in the position of the grind before making contact with the obstacle.

That advice may seem kind of obvious but it may help.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Hevonen on November 29, 2022, 08:32:19 AM
I'm pretty good at flat so I can flip into a back tail pretty easily, but I suck at ledges so don't think I've ever slid one properly in my life. Been trying it for about 10 years now
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: mightytrucks on November 29, 2022, 08:47:46 AM
Dope trick. Take it to a hubba or handrail and ur automatically a hometown hero. Statement trick.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: bbk on November 30, 2022, 06:17:01 AM
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I'm lucky enough to have a proper one on film!

http://www.instagram.com/p/ByqAO2FApUv/
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Thanks my G!
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: IpathCats on November 30, 2022, 06:18:23 AM
never done one, i really should try to before im too old and shitty.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Pastasash on November 30, 2022, 06:22:24 AM
Came really close to landing one a few months ago, one of those land on the board and instantly fell off attempts  :-\ then got injured a month later and its been eating me up wanting to get healthy again to redeem myself.

Did a KF back Suski on the tiniest DIY box by accident tho and that felt pretty cool  8)
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on November 30, 2022, 11:01:02 PM
might have to completely relearn them probably.
i used to have them before i had regular backtails way back in the day. nowadays i can backtail quite ok but i cannot do flip backtail anymore.
couple of years ago (at least 8 maybe 6) when all we did was skate the rather high ledge at the new skatepark i was pretty decent at doing flip backtails on there with some solid slide, and even flip backtail shuvit out. never got to land a kickflip backside tailslide bigspin out though, even if i came quite close.
damn, thinking of all of this, makes me juiced to go out an relearn fucking kickflip backside tailslides. thanks g
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: marty mcfly on December 01, 2022, 01:51:59 AM
I did more kickflip back tails than back tails.
Imo it’s easier to flip your board into a back tail than popping and turning into a normal backside tailslide.
Maybe because backside flips always felt good to me. The bs ts was always my favorite trick but I never had them down.now I’m too old to learn them unfortunately.
When I have time to skate I like to do the stuff I’m good at.I don’t want to sit at home thinking a wasted my little skate time I have trying a trick a can’t do proper for over 20 years now. Old men problems I guess.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: whale on December 01, 2022, 02:32:51 AM
Never.
But I really want to do one, but I never really even try it. I should put some actual effort into it someday.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Easy Slider on December 01, 2022, 04:02:27 AM
Way out of my league but thanks to this thread I can live through you guys vicariously.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: laubfresser on December 01, 2022, 06:23:13 AM
Did my last one when i was in my 20s like 10 years ago, can't remember. Had them good for awhile, now struggling with regular backtails... Trick feels so good when you stick it.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: mattchew on December 01, 2022, 07:01:55 AM
This thread is inspiring. Always wanted to do this trick, it’s one of those moves that is just a skaters skater trick.

I’m 35 and landed my first two (awful) back tails last year. I’m gonna huck a few flips into them next sesh, never even tried before because it seemed so far out of my league but reading that some of you find it easier to flip in gives me one single grain of hope.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: mattchew on December 01, 2022, 07:02:25 AM
I also just love the phrase “kicky back tail”
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: fineslime on December 01, 2022, 08:04:05 AM
incoming hot take: kickflip crooks feel better than kickflip back tails.

Change my mind.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: work_lurker on December 01, 2022, 08:04:12 AM
I love back tails, favorite ledge trick hands down. I find it’s easier to do kickflip back tails by having your flick foot higher up on the nose, and hanging a BIT more off to the side, than you would have it for a normal kickflip. It’s paramount that you wait until you catch the flip before you whip your legs into the back tail stance. If you try to flip and turn it at the same time, you will hit the ledge popping up almost every try. Patience and Hail Marys.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: devils acrobat on December 01, 2022, 08:23:53 AM
I did a single one 15 years ago but now I really want to try again. Thanks pals  :-*
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: ziggy on December 01, 2022, 07:23:04 PM
nope, never did it
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: mightytrucks on December 01, 2022, 08:15:11 PM
I also just love the phrase “kicky back tail”

lol sounds like something Shane Oneill would say hahaha

How about hardies for hardflips lol. Nollie hardies, switch hardies.

I also like "switch v. heel". Sounds sick. But it doesn't work saying "v heel" for regular varial heels. Only works for switch varial heels imo.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: wheelchair skitch on December 02, 2022, 02:32:21 AM
incoming hot take: kickflip crooks feel better than kickflip back tails.

Change my mind.

I think it depends if you have a satisfying roll away on the bsts. its easier to have a clean roll away from a crook
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: goodatmeth on December 02, 2022, 03:37:49 AM
incoming hot take: kickflip crooks feel better than kickflip back tails.

Change my mind.

It's also 100 times harder and looks great, of course it must feel better
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: marty mcfly on December 02, 2022, 03:52:22 AM
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incoming hot take: kickflip crooks feel better than kickflip back tails.

Change my mind.
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I think it depends if you have a satisfying roll away on the bsts. its easier to have a clean roll away from a crook
Really?imo the hardest part is to log in the back tail,slide and hold your balance…a clean roll away from a back tail is not that difficult.when I try to come out of a crooks the board flips a half nollie heel sometimes.
Kickflip Crooks is way harder compared to a kicky back tail.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: tadej Pog on December 02, 2022, 03:53:02 PM
Easer than back tails...
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: mattchew on December 02, 2022, 03:56:02 PM
I tried about ten tonight because of this thread. To my surprise I locked into three of them with my back foot, but my body wasn’t fully turned back/front foot was far off, but it did actually feel attainable.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: NoComply180 on December 02, 2022, 04:03:00 PM
I did a kickflip backtail stop rolling slowly next to a curb in 2010. From that pathetic performance I can tell this trick feels great. Also looks fantastic. The backtail is such an aesthetically pleasing trick, and the flip in can be made to look so graceful too.

Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: versacekid420 on December 02, 2022, 04:24:56 PM
Back tail kickflips are better
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Post by: mightytrucks on December 02, 2022, 04:38:39 PM
Back tail kickflips are better
Kicky back tail kicky lol
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: wheelchair skitch on December 07, 2022, 06:40:26 AM
If back noseblunt is the switch tre of ledge tricks, is the kf back tail the fullcab flip?
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: fineslime on December 07, 2022, 07:09:20 AM
If back noseblunt is the switch tre of ledge tricks, is the kf back tail the fullcab flip?

for whatever reason I think it's more like the fakie front side flip of ledge tricks.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: swellbowed on December 07, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
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Post by: Mantracker on December 07, 2022, 10:01:19 AM
Only once, on a homemade ledge when I was a kid. Probably didn't count but it counted enough for me as a 13 year old. Did it to fakie and my front trucks were probably touching the ground during the slide the entire time

sigh
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: exlurker on December 07, 2022, 10:50:15 AM
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incoming hot take: kickflip crooks feel better than kickflip back tails.

Change my mind.
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I think it depends if you have a satisfying roll away on the bsts. its easier to have a clean roll away from a crook
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Really?imo the hardest part is to log in the back tail,slide and hold your balance…a clean roll away from a back tail is not that difficult.when I try to come out of a crooks the board flips a half nollie heel sometimes.
Kickflip Crooks is way harder compared to a kicky back tail.

Hard disagree, if you've got a good kf (or at least can catch them at the peak) then kf crooks is way easier. KFBST is much more of a prayer for me anyway
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: sus on December 07, 2022, 11:37:48 AM
originally learned kickflip back tails maybe 9 years ago? started getting ghostpop on my backside flips and had trouble doing kickflip back tails as a result so i stopped doing them. Practiced my back bigspins and learned bigspin back tails after but couldn't kickflip back tail during that time. Then i fucked up my achilles and lost my ease with bigspins and ended up re-learning kickflip back tails. Something about kickflip back tails are really fun and satisfying to do.

i'd say most back tail tricks are more intimidating then they are difficult. I was terrified of slipping out of back tails and slamming on my face when i first was learning them but once you've done a few they become much easier
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: alt dumb shit on December 07, 2022, 11:41:39 AM
originally learned kickflip back tails maybe 9 years ago? started getting ghostpop on my backside flips and had trouble doing kickflip back tails as a result so i stopped doing them. Practiced my back bigspins and learned bigspin back tails after but couldn't kickflip back tail during that time. Then i fucked up my achilles and lost my ease with bigspins and ended up re-learning kickflip back tails. Something about kickflip back tails are really fun and satisfying to do.

i'd say most back tail tricks are more intimidating then they are difficult. I was terrified of slipping out of back tails and slamming on my face when i first was learning them but once you've done a few they become much easier

how'd you learn back big tails? big spins and back tails are pretty much my only go tos but that trick just seems impossible to me. is it more of a big spin or pop shuv feeling when popping into it?
and do you usually slide it like a back tail to regular or back tail fakie? (to me those are way different ways of sliding). cheers
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: sus on December 07, 2022, 12:04:12 PM
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originally learned kickflip back tails maybe 9 years ago? started getting ghostpop on my backside flips and had trouble doing kickflip back tails as a result so i stopped doing them. Practiced my back bigspins and learned bigspin back tails after but couldn't kickflip back tail during that time. Then i fucked up my achilles and lost my ease with bigspins and ended up re-learning kickflip back tails. Something about kickflip back tails are really fun and satisfying to do.

i'd say most back tail tricks are more intimidating then they are difficult. I was terrified of slipping out of back tails and slamming on my face when i first was learning them but once you've done a few they become much easier
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how'd you learn back big tails? big spins and back tails are pretty much my only go tos but that trick just seems impossible to me. is it more of a big spin or pop shuv feeling when popping into it?
and do you usually slide it like a back tail to regular or back tail fakie? (to me those are way different ways of sliding). cheers

When you're first learning it, go at a hard angle (maybe even 45 degrees) so the board goes over the ledge and rotates into the back tail position. Don't try and keep the bigspin in front of you or else it won't lock into back tail and will just bounce off of the ledge, you just have to pop it like a normal flatground bigspin. Once you get better at it, you'll naturally start going at less of an angle and will eventually be able to do them parallel to the ledge, but start on something small like a curb because bigspinning into a ledge will feel really unnatural at first.

Also i usually do them to fakie, i don't personally look at back tails to regular or fakie as a different slide but moreso how i position my head to my shoulders will dictate how i land (head over my shoulder i'll land regular, head looking down at my feet i'll land fakie). Hope you land your first biggie back tail soon!

edit* if you're good at back bigspins, use the same hard angle when approaching a ledge backside and you should be able to do pop-shove back 50-50's, you just gotta pop it like a bigspin but rotate the board/your body less
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Dark Knight on December 07, 2022, 05:33:21 PM
I’ve only ever done it switch.  Switch backside has always been easier for me than regular for some odd reason.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: cherry on December 07, 2022, 05:47:00 PM
I’ve thrown a few at the park to look better than I am like someone above said but never got one
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: VHS ERA on December 07, 2022, 06:12:53 PM
Have u ever done one?

I did one when I was 15 on a box at the skate park. I’m 30 now

I went parallel to the box and then did a kick flip (which I had dialled at that time), and I kind of willed the tail with my mind into the ledge, and it slid for a bit and I came out.

I love Stefan janoskis kicnflip back tails

Same. That was the only one. Also I skipped back tail, never did one.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: versacekid420 on December 07, 2022, 08:38:52 PM
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Have u ever done one?

I did one when I was 15 on a box at the skate park. I’m 30 now

I went parallel to the box and then did a kick flip (which I had dialled at that time), and I kind of willed the tail with my mind into the ledge, and it slid for a bit and I came out.

I love Stefan janoskis kicnflip back tails
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Same. That was the only one. Also I skipped back tail, never did one.
go do one
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Andrefosho on December 08, 2022, 03:18:32 AM
incoming hot take: kickflip crooks feel better than kickflip back tails.

Change my mind.

I challenge with kicky front 50
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: TheDraught on December 08, 2022, 04:11:09 AM
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I'm lucky enough to have a proper one on film!

http://www.instagram.com/p/ByqAO2FApUv/
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Agreed that's proper as fuck 
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on December 08, 2022, 04:45:56 AM
Yes.

I couldn't backside tailslide or backside 5-0, even if my life depended on it, but I could flip into them.
Most people would be very impressed when I did those, and I always felt like the biggest cheat ever.

Same with heelflips. I could only do them inward and it took me YEARS to land a regular one ... cool trick, but I always felt like a douche when I did an inward heelflip because I couldn't do regular ones :(
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: cliff on December 08, 2022, 10:59:53 AM
I've done a few. One of the best feeling tricks in my opinion.
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Roy Machine on December 08, 2022, 01:26:40 PM
fuck I've never really tried one because my bs tailslides suck, but this thread got me juiced. I am going to try to land one on my weekend session when it's not raining...wish me luck
Title: Re: The kick flip back tail
Post by: Dark Knight on December 08, 2022, 02:18:54 PM
I've done a few. One of the best feeling tricks in my opinion.

I’ve personally seen you do them in Fullerton. I was a background character, but I was around.

Me and the LBC/508 crew would roll out there to the high school. Then skate the manual pads across the street. Gideon, Ronnie, Robbie, and yourself were always ripping.
Gideon and Robbie were phenomenal.