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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: sluggers on December 03, 2022, 03:44:49 PM
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As a descendant of the African continent it seems counterproductive given what we have fought and still fight for.
The instagram reactions of children thinking it is so lit and a role model breaks my heart. We are tearing down statues not idolizing tyrants in this day and age.
(Insert Mansa Musa King Skateboards graphic here.)
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ugh 14th century monarchs are so problematic
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swing and a miss
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WHAT IS THE CONTEXT OF THIS?? MISSING CRUCIAL INFO MY BROTHER.
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TJ’s board graphic is great. I’m much more optimistic now.
http://www.instagram.com/p/ClrLRttO_Kz/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ=
For reference.
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swing and a miss
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Reaching more than a car dealership inflatable
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Ah, so the swastika, iron cross, imagery of Robert Lee, confederate flag is cool on skateboards now too because that is what this is like for my tribe that was conquered and enslaved.
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Ah, so the swastika, iron cross, imagery of Robert Lee, confederate flag is cool on skateboards now too because that is what this is like for my tribe that was conquered and enslaved.
you’re looking so far into this you may be able to see what Jason Jesse is hiding under his beanie
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https://youtu.be/V8-fpqy3zXY (https://youtu.be/V8-fpqy3zXY)
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I don’t understand what this is about
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I believe they are referencing this:
https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6
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Are you there, God? It’s me, Kanye
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ugh 14th century monarchs are so problematic
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Why the fuck does any of this matter
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Why the fuck does any of this matter
I think a criticism/perception that tyshawn has a surface-level grasp of hotep/black power symbols and graphics
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The intent is that you do a few boardslides and it wipes out the graphic, forever cancelling Mansa Musa.
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Why the fuck does any of this matter
I think a criticism/perception that tyshawn has a surface-level grasp of hotep/black power symbols and graphics
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"If you change nothing, nothing will change"
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"If you change nothing, nothing will change"
"Real eyes realize real lies"
"Hurt people hurt people"
"I eat because I'm unhappy, and I'm unhappy because I eat"
race car
taco cat
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A man a plan an anal panama
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Esteemable people do esteemable things.
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Why the fuck does any of this matter
I think a criticism/perception that tyshawn has a surface-level grasp of hotep/black power symbols and graphics
A criticism which is pretty off base in my opinion. The board depicts a ruler who oversaw the peak of an intellectual empire in West Africa where the idea of racial inferiority had nothing to do with slavery. It's celebrating the idea of an African culture untouched and unaltered by European colonialism, as well as the hope/fight for the prosperity of a group of people whose humanity has been so brutally attacked since then.
Yes, slavery existed there, as it had in almost every other culture in the history of humankind before it reached extreme levels of racist brutality in the American South.
Edit: also, it doesn't seem like Tyshawn is one to shy away from responding to dm's. Anybody who holds this criticism of his decision to put out this board should ask him about it, like a man.
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Why the fuck does any of this matter
I think a criticism/perception that tyshawn has a surface-level grasp of hotep/black power symbols and graphics
A criticism which is pretty off base in my opinion. The board depicts a ruler who oversaw the peak of an intellectual empire in West Africa where the idea of racial inferiority had nothing to do with slavery. It's celebrating the idea of an African culture untouched and unaltered by European colonialism, as well as the hope/fight for the prosperity of a group of people whose humanity has been so brutally attacked since then.
Yes, slavery existed there, as it had in almost every other culture in the history of humankind before it reached extreme levels of racist brutality in the American South.
Edit: also, it doesn't seem like Tyshawn is one to shy away from responding to dm's. Anybody who holds this criticism of his decision to put out this board should ask him about it, like a man.
Step back, brah, the extreme levels of racist brutality in the American South.? That was genteel compared to my people in Africa and the black on black crime that still exists in your America cities.
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And, I’m telling you, this African culture is nothing to celebrate and throw off the fireworks in the Times Square, it was brutal and we all should be learning this history and know, and know, we can, and must do better.!
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OK brah
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that graphic looks like a wikipedia screen grab that was stretched to fit the board.
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Artifact Skateboards
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Brothers, please understand, we pull down statues to Munsa Masa like they did to Saddam Hussein in the Iraq, the same you do to Lincoln or Lee now. We certainly don’t put him on our skateboard.
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Brothers, please understand, we pull down statues to Munsa Masa like they did to Saddam Hussein in the Iraq, the same you do to Lincoln or Lee now. We certainly don’t put him on our skateboard.
is munsa masa a polarizing figure in africa or is it generally understood that he was bad?
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Brothers, please understand, we pull down statues to Munsa Masa like they did to Saddam Hussein in the Iraq, the same you do to Lincoln or Lee now. We certainly don’t put him on our skateboard.
is munsa masa a polarizing figure in africa or is it generally understood that he was bad?
I have my doubts. I'm not African or of African descent, but I've never seen someone try to equate Mansa Musa with Robert E. Lee, that's wild to me lol. That opinion is definitely... interesting. I've only ever read that he was a competent leader who improved the state of civic life in the Mali kingdom and that he built a lot of mosques. I even just went on a deep dive into an African forum discussing his impact, in which the only negative opinions I found were that he was not enough of an expansionist and didn't take over enough of the world through violence and colonialism, lol.
Idk, maybe this dude @sluggers is African and is plugged into a cultural revolution in which the ancient kings of West Africa are being canceled for what was essentially standard procedure for the powerful in all cultures at the time.
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Lol this reads like an Arrested Development song
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TJ’s board graphic is great. I’m much more optimistic now.
http://www.instagram.com/p/ClrLRttO_Kz/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ= (http://www.instagram.com/p/ClrLRttO_Kz/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ=)
For reference.
(https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/WD9hsE7kioSHjOwXejEB2YlPewk=/1072x720/filters:no_upscale()/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/e1/1e/e11ecad6-679d-4336-8779-75a4118cf185/catalan_atlas.jpg)
launching a board brand with ha graphic that's just a stretched out low res screen grab is a strong move
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Brothers, please understand, we pull down statues to Munsa Masa like they did to Saddam Hussein in the Iraq, the same you do to Lincoln or Lee now. We certainly don’t put him on our skateboard.
is munsa masa a polarizing figure in africa or is it generally understood that he was bad?
I have my doubts. I'm not African or of African descent, but I've never seen someone try to equate Mansa Musa with Robert E. Lee, that's wild to me lol. That opinion is definitely... interesting. I've only ever read that he was a competent leader who improved the state of civic life in the Mali kingdom and that he built a lot of mosques. I even just went on a deep dive into an African forum discussing his impact, in which the only negative opinions I found were that he was not enough of an expansionist and didn't take over enough of the world through violence and colonialism, lol.
Idk, maybe this dude @sluggers is African and is plugged into a cultural revolution in which the ancient kings of West Africa are being canceled for what was essentially standard procedure for the powerful in all cultures at the time.
love it when dudes who don't know shit about shit chime in
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TJ’s board graphic is great. I’m much more optimistic now.
http://www.instagram.com/p/ClrLRttO_Kz/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ= (http://www.instagram.com/p/ClrLRttO_Kz/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ=)
For reference.
(https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/WD9hsE7kioSHjOwXejEB2YlPewk=/1072x720/filters:no_upscale()/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/e1/1e/e11ecad6-679d-4336-8779-75a4118cf185/catalan_atlas.jpg)
launching a board brand with ha graphic that's just a stretched out low res screen grab is a strong move
Right. A lesser mind like me would have just isolated the image of Musa off of that
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2020 called, they want their whining back
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Brothers, please understand, we pull down statues to Munsa Masa like they did to Saddam Hussein in the Iraq, the same you do to Lincoln or Lee now. We certainly don’t put him on our skateboard.
is munsa masa a polarizing figure in africa or is it generally understood that he was bad?
I have my doubts. I'm not African or of African descent, but I've never seen someone try to equate Mansa Musa with Robert E. Lee, that's wild to me lol. That opinion is definitely... interesting. I've only ever read that he was a competent leader who improved the state of civic life in the Mali kingdom and that he built a lot of mosques. I even just went on a deep dive into an African forum discussing his impact, in which the only negative opinions I found were that he was not enough of an expansionist and didn't take over enough of the world through violence and colonialism, lol.
Idk, maybe this dude @sluggers is African and is plugged into a cultural revolution in which the ancient kings of West Africa are being canceled for what was essentially standard procedure for the powerful in all cultures at the time.
love it when dudes who don't know shit about shit chime in
Please enlighten us then genius
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So did y'all like the woman king?
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The very concept of a King is wack, and an unfortunate name for what is in every other way a sick company. I back TJ and Nak heavy, and I'm sure they'll build something cool and interesting in spite of it, but I can think of 100 names off the top of my head that would be better:
NYCLA
LA/NY
LA Bronx
Los Bronx
Boogie Monster
Bronx Angeles
Black
Black Power
Black Owned
Hardies
Any Means Necessary
X
All City
Allah
Prophet
Dream
On God
Conspiracy
Rumors
Culture
Black Power would be my choice. How sick would it be to see that all across a board wall? Also follows Dill's winning formula of stealing shit from World Industries. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Brothers, please understand, we pull down statues to Munsa Masa like they did to Saddam Hussein in the Iraq, the same you do to Lincoln or Lee now. We certainly don’t put him on our skateboard.
- spelled his name wrong
- where are there statues of mansa musa? are you posting from Mali?
in closing 4/10 low effort. be less dumb
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https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6 (https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6)
https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/ (https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/)
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https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6 (https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6)
https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/ (https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/)
Soooo whataboutism?
The Romans owned slaves and that shit in Spartacus where they killed like 10,000 for revolting by crucifixion the entire length of the Appian way actually happened. But no one gets upset about using Roman numerals as a motif.
Comparing African slavery to American slavery is stupid. Yeah both were bad but none of us live in the Mali empire and none of us inherited land or wealth from slavery back then. American slavery is still relevant to today.
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The very concept of a King is wack, and an unfortunate name for what is in every other way a sick company. I back TJ and Nak heavy, and I'm sure they'll build something cool and interesting in spite of it, but I can think of 100 names off the top of my head that would be better:
NYCLA
LA/NY
LA Bronx
Los Bronx
Boogie Monster
Bronx Angeles
Black
Black Power
Black Owned
Hardies
Any Means Necessary
X
All City
Allah
Prophet
Dream
On God
Conspiracy
Rumors
Culture
Black Power would be my choice. How sick would it be to see that all across a board wall? Also follows Dill's winning formula of stealing shit from World Industries. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
these are so bad ahhahahahahahhahaha
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https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6 (https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6)
https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/ (https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/)
The Romans owned slaves and that shit in Spartacus where they killed like 10,000 for revolting by crucifixion the entire length of the Appian way actually happened. But no one gets upset about using Roman numerals as a motif.
Comparing African slavery to American slavery is stupid. Yeah both were bad but none of us live in the Mali empire and none of us inherited land or wealth from slavery back then. American slavery is still relevant to today.
Your ignorance blinds you. You know nothing of Mali. Slavery still exists today, this Sunday December 4th 2022 in Mali. Twenty thousand plus people enslaved with a direct master.
Check out the Tuareg Rebellion and recent military coup d’etat.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril)
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TJ’s board graphic is great. I’m much more optimistic now.
http://www.instagram.com/p/ClrLRttO_Kz/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ= (http://www.instagram.com/p/ClrLRttO_Kz/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ=)
For reference.
(https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/WD9hsE7kioSHjOwXejEB2YlPewk=/1072x720/filters:no_upscale()/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/e1/1e/e11ecad6-679d-4336-8779-75a4118cf185/catalan_atlas.jpg)
launching a board brand with ha graphic that's just a stretched out low res screen grab is a strong move
Right. A lesser mind like me would have just isolated the image of Musa off of that
this graphics sucks for a lot of reasons, to me historical context is the least part of its suckyness. But The fact that TJ thinks there some deep meaning behind poaching this image is kinda silly. he definitely googled "historical black king". whats next hes gonna put Amenhotep iii on there and accidentally rip off Sims Skateboards. " This brand is gonna be historic. No I mean the graphics are gonna have historical images from the encyclopedia"
Not having original art is a horrible choice. I hope this is just for the first board. any asshole on the planet can make a graphic from images that already exist and then concoct some meaning behind it. For his first graphic baller ass TJ should have hired a dope artist who does art that personally speaks to him and try and create a flavor and aesthetic that can be noticeable as a King skateboard. Is this brand gonna have an art direction is it gonna be screen grabs off TJs laptop. Its like he made this at ccs. TJ should focus on skating and hire someone to create the majority of the images. Maybe put this graphic in the line up later after the art direction is established. Does this board say his name on it anywhere, or the brand name? how do I know its a TJ board from King Skateboards and not some homemade garbage brand. whats the on the top of it? Missed opportunity to make a triptych with boards from the other guys. Maybe he will release the rest later to complete the full image. Aslo shoulda knocked out the background and used a natural color wood stain.
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And, in the end, the Jesse was right.
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And, in the end, the Jesse was right.
this is how i know you aren’t actually black
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https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6 (https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6)
https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/ (https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/)
The Romans owned slaves and that shit in Spartacus where they killed like 10,000 for revolting by crucifixion the entire length of the Appian way actually happened. But no one gets upset about using Roman numerals as a motif.
Comparing African slavery to American slavery is stupid. Yeah both were bad but none of us live in the Mali empire and none of us inherited land or wealth from slavery back then. American slavery is still relevant to today.
Your ignorance blinds you. You know nothing of Mali. Slavery still exists today, this Sunday December 4th 2022 in Mali. Twenty thousand plus people enslaved with a direct master.
Check out the Tuareg Rebellion and recent military coup d’etat.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril)
You know that’s a good point- didn’t know about that. And I think it makes for a better case why Tyshawn shouldn’t use that image.
But it’s still stupid to compare to American slavery for the same reason you wouldn’t go to enslaved people in Mali and say “did you know Americans also enslaved people?”
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And, in the end, the Jesse was right.
this is how i know you aren’t actually black
This is how I know you live within five kilometers of your mother’s hut and never left.
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https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6 (https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6)
https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/ (https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/)
The Romans owned slaves and that shit in Spartacus where they killed like 10,000 for revolting by crucifixion the entire length of the Appian way actually happened. But no one gets upset about using Roman numerals as a motif.
Comparing African slavery to American slavery is stupid. Yeah both were bad but none of us live in the Mali empire and none of us inherited land or wealth from slavery back then. American slavery is still relevant to today.
Your ignorance blinds you. You know nothing of Mali. Slavery still exists today, this Sunday December 4th 2022 in Mali. Twenty thousand plus people enslaved with a direct master.
Check out the Tuareg Rebellion and recent military coup d’etat.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril)
But it’s still stupid to compare to American slavery for the same reason you wouldn’t go to enslaved people in Mali and say “did you know Americans also enslaved people?”
I didn’t mean to compare, only say it is a large problem that persists to this day.
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https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6 (https://medium.com/comrade-morlocks-journal/mansa-musa-owned-12-times-more-slaves-than-the-uss-largest-slaveowner-be0fd787ee6)
https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/ (https://byamukama.com/age-old-slave-trade-in-africa/)
The Romans owned slaves and that shit in Spartacus where they killed like 10,000 for revolting by crucifixion the entire length of the Appian way actually happened. But no one gets upset about using Roman numerals as a motif.
Comparing African slavery to American slavery is stupid. Yeah both were bad but none of us live in the Mali empire and none of us inherited land or wealth from slavery back then. American slavery is still relevant to today.
Your ignorance blinds you. You know nothing of Mali. Slavery still exists today, this Sunday December 4th 2022 in Mali. Twenty thousand plus people enslaved with a direct master.
Check out the Tuareg Rebellion and recent military coup d’etat.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/oct/23/mali-conflict-freedom-slave-descendants-peril)
But it’s still stupid to compare to American slavery for the same reason you wouldn’t go to enslaved people in Mali and say “did you know Americans also enslaved people?”
I didn’t mean to compare, only say it is a large problem that persists to this day.
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And, in the end, the Jesse was right.
this is how i know you aren’t actually black
This is how I know you live within five kilometers of your mother’s hut and never left.
the opinions of people who like breaking bad mean less than nothing to me (or most people) but like i said be less dumb
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you could've just said "I dont like Tyshawn Jones" in one of the 5 active threads about him instead of making this stupid fuck thread.
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I love Tyshawn and only mean him well, I just want people to understand the historical context and what is a problem to this day. In the west, you have luxury, but, it is not so in Mali today.
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As others have stated, the execution is laughably weak, especially for an opening salvo, and probably a good indicator of the amount of thought he put into this (that doesn’t bode well for this company bringing him the riches he claims to desire). Ignorance is a lousy excuse though and hopefully OP’s critiques will get him to tighten up his graphics game and not drift so far off to the corner (so to speak 8)).
As a friendly and constructive criticism to OP, I would argue that the white hot wording of your thread topic and boilerplate cancel-speak within (I don’t mean that disparagingly) was a similarly copy/paste’d and stretched-to-fit attempt at starting a conversation about this. Further down in the thread you seem more open to nuance and detail, maybe start with that next time.
I can’t claim to know much about this particular time and place in African history or how the contemporary populations there feel about statues or monuments made to honor or glorify MM. I can only offer a reminder, for what it’s worth, that the controversy here in the US ultimately was about the statues first and the men second. People are complex and contradictory, statues much less so. I’m sure we’ve all read a thousand explainer pieces at this point about the timing, manner, and intent that was behind the confederate statues around the country in the not-too-distant past. I’m not saying that the behaviors of any of these people is even remotely excusable, or their subsequent enshrinements morally defensible… but there is a little “apples and oranges” aspect to some of your specific critiques. I don’t like statues, I don’t like slavery, and I’d certainly prefer that the aesthetic thesis of a company run but someone as influential and magnetic as TJ didn’t center around superficial wealth-porn (which to be fair to OP: you can’t have wealth-porn without some form of enslavement and colonialism in whatever forms they exist today so in that sense… it’s fair game), but I don’t think Tyshawn Jones, bless his heart, is the number one villian we should aim our pitchforks at first.
I’m in the cell phone lot waiting on my wife’s delayed flight, btw. I just feel like mentioning that matters after a stemwinder like that.
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Why the fuck does any of this matter
I think a criticism/perception that tyshawn has a surface-level grasp of hotep/black power symbols and graphics
A criticism which is pretty off base in my opinion. The board depicts a ruler who oversaw the peak of an intellectual empire in West Africa where the idea of racial inferiority had nothing to do with slavery. It's celebrating the idea of an African culture untouched and unaltered by European colonialism, as well as the hope/fight for the prosperity of a group of people whose humanity has been so brutally attacked since then.
Yes, slavery existed there, as it had in almost every other culture in the history of humankind before it reached extreme levels of racist brutality in the American South.
Edit: also, it doesn't seem like Tyshawn is one to shy away from responding to dm's. Anybody who holds this criticism of his decision to put out this board should ask him about it, like a man.
Step back, brah, the extreme levels of racist brutality in the American South.? That was genteel compared to my people in Africa and the black on black crime that still exists in your America cities.
Oh here we go, now the true racism comes out of hiding. Get bent kook.
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Why the fuck does any of this matter
I think a criticism/perception that tyshawn has a surface-level grasp of hotep/black power symbols and graphics
A criticism which is pretty off base in my opinion. The board depicts a ruler who oversaw the peak of an intellectual empire in West Africa where the idea of racial inferiority had nothing to do with slavery. It's celebrating the idea of an African culture untouched and unaltered by European colonialism, as well as the hope/fight for the prosperity of a group of people whose humanity has been so brutally attacked since then.
Yes, slavery existed there, as it had in almost every other culture in the history of humankind before it reached extreme levels of racist brutality in the American South.
Edit: also, it doesn't seem like Tyshawn is one to shy away from responding to dm's. Anybody who holds this criticism of his decision to put out this board should ask him about it, like a man.
Step back, brah, the extreme levels of racist brutality in the American South.? That was genteel compared to my people in Africa and the black on black crime that still exists in your America cities.
Oh yes, it is the racism to point out the tradition of slavery from Masa that still exists to this very day.
Enjoy your blood diamonds, righteous gemstones, and the gold dug from the ground of my brothers in your air conditioned luxury suites on a very large television with many more precious metals from the Africa, and we won’t even mention your phone.
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Of the ten active Tyshawn threads right now this one has got to be the dumbest
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One week post surgery after breaking my hip on a gnarly slam riding down a hill. I guess I turned in too tightly, pinched, and got pitched immediately. 45 years old,
please rethink your life u fucken weirdo
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Well, I think it’s better to discuss the power of imagery and iconography versus the reality of colonialism and slavery that persists, but if you want to go talk about the durag or the size of Nyjah’s shorts then you know where to go.
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the reality of colonialism and slavery?! my g you are 3/4’s of the way to AARP status and you’re pretending to be a guy from Mali who’s upset about an emperor who died a millenia ago. your brain is a fried egg
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I think the difference is that Mansa Musa didn’t clear the table like a huge pussy.
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Oh here we go, now the true racism comes out of hiding. Get bent kook.
The use of that media hysteria created term undermines your efforts at looking enlightened. Please stop using that racist phrase.
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One week post surgery after breaking my hip on a gnarly slam riding down a hill. I guess I turned in too tightly, pinched, and got pitched immediately. 45 years old,
please rethink your life u fucken weirdo
Your wife is from a Rochester, you are too injured to go anywhere and you think NJ is the best place to skate.
Who is, who really is the kook and “fucken weirdo”?
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no i saïd NJ produces the best skaters dude!! you’re 45!! act your age!!
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You downplayed the treatment of slaves in America. You might want to read up on those atrocities before calling them genteel in comparison. There's also the matter of "black on black crime" being a very common dog whistle. That's almost like saying "what about Chicago?" A person that says such things raises red flags.
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You downplayed the treatment of slaves in America. You might want to read up on those atrocities before calling them genteel in comparison. There's also the matter of "black on black crime" being a very common dog whistle. That's almost like saying "what about Chicago?" A person that says such things raises red flags.
Well, I lived in Chicago so what about Chicago.?
And, what about Mali today.?
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The very concept of a King is wack, and an unfortunate name for what is in every other way a sick company. I back TJ and Nak heavy, and I'm sure they'll build something cool and interesting in spite of it, but I can think of 100 names off the top of my head that would be better:
NYCLA
LA/NY
LA Bronx
Los Bronx
Boogie Monster
Bronx Angeles
Black
Black Power
Black Owned
Hardies
Any Means Necessary
X
All City
Allah
Prophet
Dream
On God
Conspiracy
Rumors
Culture
Black Power would be my choice. How sick would it be to see that all across a board wall? Also follows Dill's winning formula of stealing shit from World Industries. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yeah naming your skate brand Allah is sure to not drum up any controversy
Maybe the first graphic could be the Prophet Muhammad smoking a blunt
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Enslaved
Indoctrin8ed
Brainwashed
Clock Worked Orange
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stop putting periods in front of question marks you monster
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Very low effort graphic from TJ
I don’t think this company is gonna last very long
Not sure exactly what everyone is arguing about in this thread tho, and I’m not gonna bother finding out
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You downplayed the treatment of slaves in America. You might want to read up on those atrocities before calling them genteel in comparison. There's also the matter of "black on black crime" being a very common dog whistle. That's almost like saying "what about Chicago?" A person that says such things raises red flags.
Well, I lived in Chicago so what about Chicago.?
And, what about Mali today.?
Well, lots of people have lived in Chicago. The question is a well-worn racist dog whistle. I pointed that out. Do they spend a lot of time discussing Chicago in Mali?
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I hope this ancient King graphic becomes like a thing, bit like the FA school photo did, so many Kings represented in many paintings over centuries the list is endless and easy to source and all the artists are well dead.
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lol, all the people defending that shitty ass Tyshawn graphic of slave-owning MM are the same that were completely melting down about Jason Jessee using nazi imagery....
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They've had months and months to do design work. I remember people saying I was only criticizing Black skaters when I said that just because he is TJ it doesn't mean he knows shit about graphic design or building a board brand. And that he's always talking about money and being rich.
So here we are at launch and one graphic is a crown that seems to have been lifted straight from 1998 and a poor attempt at trying to leverage African history to seem deeply learned. And he picked the individual in the graphic based on said individual's wealth.
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lol, all the people defending that shitty ass Tyshawn graphic of slave-owning MM are the same that were completely melting down about Jason Jessee using nazi imagery....
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They've had months and months to do design work. I remember people saying I was only criticizing Black skaters when I said that just because he is TJ it doesn't mean he knows shit about graphic design or building a board brand. And that he's always talking about money and being rich.
So here we are at launch and one graphic is a crown that seems to have been lifted straight from 1998 and a poor attempt at trying to leverage African history to seem deeply learned. And he picked the individual in the graphic based on said individual's wealth.
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lol, all the people defending that shitty ass Tyshawn graphic of slave-owning MM are the same that were completely melting down about Jason Jessee using nazi imagery....
Different things are different, yes.
Why are so many people taking sluggers at face value and in good faith? Come on.
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lol, all the people defending that shitty ass Tyshawn graphic of slave-owning MM are the same that were completely melting down about Jason Jessee using nazi imagery....
Imagine if anyone else put a prevalent slave owner on the bottom of their board. The entire industry would explode but somehow this gets a pass? And then people defending a slave driver because it was normal for the times?? Whack. The guy owned over 12,000 slaves and was the richest man in the world. Do people think he got 12,000 slaves and all that gold by handing out lollipops and cupcakes?
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ugh 14th century monarchs are so problematic
Lol fr
Conflating pre-modern and modern slavery and colonialism is either ignorant or malicious, but the effect is the same in the end: not helpful, to put it mildly. And bringing up JJ and Nazism...get a grip.
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lock this thread mods or delete it this shit is fucking stupid