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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: EdLawndale on May 19, 2023, 03:04:06 AM
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Why or why not? Maybe it has already and you had to shift gears?
One big point of contention that incited the big writer's strike going on with the WGA right now is that writers are concerned that movie studios will utilize artificial intelligence to begin churning out scripts. And after hearing how much of a banger that completely A.I.-created version of a Weeknd/Drake song is, my eyes are completely open to the possibilities. Does it lack a little bit of humanity? Yes. But it is a Weeknd/Drake song after all, so that is par for the course.
I've read accounts of artists and graphic designers who are finding it difficult to secure work because when you can plug in metrics in a program to spit out a vivid drawing of Snoop Dogg as a pirate, you kind of don't need someone to scribble up your album cover.
As far as my own livelihood is concerned, the tech company I recently began working for has been making a HEAVY push to digitize our many, many files, scan through the documents with artificial intelligence and create a tree that will theoretically capture the analysis that myself and other analysts try to summarize on a daily basis as the bulk responsibilty of our job, and make it readily available to our clients.
It seems like aspects of my job still require human interpretation as it deals with applying ever-changing laws to decades old contracts...but my immediate bosses have privately expressed concern to us that our dept may be eventually phased out as this technology heads forward. They're speculating a 5-10 year time frame for this to occur.
Personally, Idgaf as this not my dream job and I am working on my golden parachute, planning for it to deploy before then (I'm 38 and have a burgeoning career as a professional skateboarder).
But this is how I currently pay the bills and I would be lying if I said it's not a little bit concerning.
So what about you?
Are you concerned as well? Do you see the impending doom of being phased out on the horizon?
Were you a warehouse worker or a grocery store cashier and you have already been hit with reality?
Or maybe you are not worried at all? Maybe you have some kush job putting your feet up on your desk, smoking mushrooms and drinking iced mochas all day, in the sales dept of your wealthy uncle's A.I. technology production company and you've got it made, ready to go all full-Skynet on the rest of us? I wanna hear from you as well...
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Most likely
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my job is basically hiking so i think i'm good
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Unlikely. I believe humans are sufficiently flawed that we are incapable of designing a perfect AI system. Alternatively, if the AI system was capable of learning and improving itself unchecked, it would have already checkmated us. But then again, I’m actively hoping for human extinction, so I’m probably not the person to ask.
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Hmmmm maybe indirectly.
Millions of people get replaced by AI and have to take dummy manual labouring jobs making more competition for me.
But then also nobody needs manual labourers anymore because they have no money for luxuries like landscaping etc
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Most people who work in tech will see their job replaced or significantly augmented by AI in the next 10-20 years. Multiple vendors (including Microsoft/ChatGPT) have, in the past few months, unveiled various AIs which do my job. I’m not worried immediately but I am concerned that my field will be the tip of the spear.
All the Twitter/Reddit stemlords who mocked low wage and blue collar workers by saying that they could be replaced by robots will ironically find themselves out of work long before anyone develops a viable robotic plumber, bartender, chef, etc.
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I also want to add that automation (not necessarily AI) has already replaced tens of millions of human workers by now. A piece of software like Excel does what a whole floor of an office used to do, so there’s a sense by which none of this is new.
The issue now is that no one really thinks that there is enough juice left in the economy to absorb the sort of layoffs that could happen if Microsoft and Google are able to get AI to write working binary code at a production level.
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Robots could likely one day replace construction-related manufacturing workers, but I highly doubt they’ll replace on site construction workers anytime soon. So I’d like to think I’m safe as long as my body’s good.
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Robots could likely one day replace construction-related manufacturing workers, but I highly doubt they’ll replace on site construction workers anytime soon. So I’d like to think I’m safe as long as my body’s good.
It'll just be some son of some rich asshole popping together pre made modules in their giant mech suit. A whole hospital will turn up on the back of a truck and some Gundam will pop it together like Lego in a day.
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@manysnakes it's definitely a scary time to be in tech. at my company we essentially rent out development teams and our profit is proportionate to how big those teams are under the current model. those teams already today can be smaller. in 5 years who knows. it's got me rethinking our business model and my overall career path. i'm seriously tempted to open a coffee shop while i still have the revenue to support getting funded for something like that. definitely feel the need to diversify. but even a coffee shop. if tech workers are going away then who's working in coffee shops?
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I honestly would love if AI took my damn job away. Its just too bad there won't be UBI to replace the pay for everyone who's going to be fighting for whatever jobs remain.
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@manysnakes it's definitely a scary time to be in tech. at my company we essentially rent out development teams and our profit is proportionate to how big those teams are under the current model. those teams already today can be smaller. in 5 years who knows. it's got me rethinking our business model and my overall career path. i'm seriously tempted to open a coffee shop while i still have the revenue to support getting funded for something like that. definitely feel the need to diversify. but even a coffee shop. if tech workers are going away then who's working in coffee shops?
Indeed. On our current path, we are headed towards a collapse in commercial the real estate market, which doesn't bode well for our recently "revitalized" city centers and the coffee shops, restaurants, boutiques, etc. who fill the streets. My friends who live out in the islands and small towns around Seattle (Whidbey, San Juans, Bellingham etc.) have seen their home prices triple or even quadruple since Covid, which suggests to me that the permanent WFH model is fueling an exodus from a lot of city centers towards small towns on the periphery. I don't know if this is a long term trend; maybe the shakeout has already happened. Of course, there are plenty of little coffee shops and restaurants out in these places, and they seem to be doing quite well.
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I run two housing programs for homeless youth and I hope AI will replace me. I'm fucking over it. I have enough skateboards to get me through to old age anyway. Just need taco money.
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I honestly would love if AI took my damn job away. Its just too bad there won't be UBI to replace the pay for everyone who's going to be fighting for whatever jobs remain.
Yeah, it sucks so much that we created the post-scarcity world which Marx or Keynes dreamt of but the only thing we have been allowed to do with it is to let Elon Musk to get masculinization surgery and hair plugs.
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There is an artistic/human element to stonemasonry and that is what wealthy people are paying for. I think it is even safe from automation. It's the oldest trade in the world. So I'm not worried about my job being taken over but I am worried about losing a big portion of my customer base because they lose their jobs.
I think the people encouraging AI must be psychopathic or something. The tech industry makes up such a huge part of the economy now and if a large portion of these people rapidly lose their jobs it's going to be catastrophic for everyone. It feels like with every technological advancement we dig ourselves further into a hole that we can't get out of.
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I think the people encouraging AI must be psychopathic or something. The tech industry makes up such a huge part of the economy now and if a large portion of these people rapidly lose their jobs it's going to be catastrophic for everyone. It feels like with every technological advancement we dig ourselves further into a hole that we can't get out of.
(With the caveat that I am Jewish and amazingly my family mostly survived the camps) I was joking with a friend the other day that all my fellow tech workers pumping each other up for AI is like German Jews getting excited about the new pesticide Zyklon B.
Unless you're a Microsoft shareholder or you are heavily invested in a few prominent tech VCs, you don't even stand to gain from it financially. It's literally just coming to ruin your livelihood.
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With regard to white collar work, if what you do is structured like a language (for example: code, popular music, Excel tables/relational databases, written or spoken English, and so on), and there is a large enough data set for machine learning to train on to get statistically relevant results, then your role is at risk.
My role will eventually be at risk, but the data set available to train on today is too small to be worth working on. As modelling/training become less expensive, then even small, niche roles like mine will be forced to change.
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I work with my hands 80% of the time. No bot is gonna be changing out turbo pumps and getting dewars of helium any time soon.
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For the record, I am super cynical of AI. It super concerning that there is no wider ethical/ philosophical discussion on whether us plebs really want to go in this direction at all. It all seems way out of out control and is coming whether we like it or not.
Paging all the Luddites...
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I work with my hands 80% of the time. No bot is gonna be changing out turbo pumps and getting dewars of helium any time soon.
Like a 1920s worker...
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I am a teacher. Technically I could be replaced by AI, but I am hopeful humanity isn‘t that stupid. If AI teaches the kids, how can they ever learn to do that what AI cannot do? Also, uh, humans need other humans to become a properly socialized beings that‘s obvious to everyone at least I hope it us.
Of course AI is scary, but I also think people overestimate it. Human needs are fairly basic and AI is not really gonna help you with your relationship problems, existential fears or emotional insecurities.
In a Post AI World (unless someone really fucks up and causes a disaster) there are still going to be the same basic human struggles about power and money. Unchecked AI will be an extension of corporate power or state power, but we need to think more about how technology can improve life for everyone. Like other technologies it will make a lot of parts of our life more effective and more productive and I fear it will mostly serve those already in power.
What I want to know is when am I finally going to be able to work less and make more money thanks to all this fancy new shit?
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What I want to know is when am I finally going to be able to work less and make more money thanks to all this fancy new shit?
Oh, my sweet summer child.
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I'm a future 3D animator/lighting/shading artist in training and I can tell you that the AI scare is already over for us because AI art is immediately obvious and utterly shit, no sense of composition, no sense of style, completely soulless smooth airbrushy shit that is bland to look at and uninspiring. Sure we use it from time to time but mostly for our own amusement, kind of like throwing peanuts at a monkey at the zoo.
I'm actually amazed people think AI is going to replace their jobs when its barely capable of making a convincing drawing of cartoon mickey mouse hands. Realy, when it comes to creative fields AI is far more A than I, the people behind these stupid doodads are trying their hardest to keep their little MLM marketing schemes alive but the studios and more importantly the consumers who watch what we animate and create aren't buying because it looks terrible[/b].
So no, I'm not concerned. Human creativity can't be condensed to a stupid program just like how trades can't be replaced by house printing contraptions and other hateful anti-worker bullshit.
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I think the people encouraging AI must be psychopathic or something. The tech industry makes up such a huge part of the economy now and if a large portion of these people rapidly lose their jobs it's going to be catastrophic for everyone. It feels like with every technological advancement we dig ourselves further into a hole that we can't get out of.
Honestly i've seen so many tech people openly call out for creatives to be automated out that I wouldn't give a shit if they fell victim to their own work. I also strongly suspect this whole automatisation hype doing the rounds is consent manufacturing to pressure workers to get back in line now that unions are getting more and more popular across the west. Nothing like a little scare campaign to get those rowdy poors back where they belong, eh?
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What I want to know is when am I finally going to be able to work less and make more money thanks to all this fancy new shit?
Oh, my sweet summer child.
I know.
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I'm currently training AI to do my job. I'm screwed.
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I honestly would love if AI took my damn job away. Its just too bad there won't be UBI to replace the pay for everyone who's going to be fighting for whatever jobs remain.
Yeah, it sucks so much that we created the post-scarcity world which Marx or Keynes dreamt of but the only thing we have been allowed to do with it is to let Elon Musk to get masculinization surgery and hair plugs.
Lmfao. Elon Musk seems like some kind of punishment for all of the mistakes mankind has made and it just keeps getting progressively worse...
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Not unless it can do custom finish work in 200 year old homes.
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Ai is a tool. Like a hammer is . Keep it open to everyone and I don’t see it as a problem. Close that shit up and only let billionaires and corporations and the so called government to have it then yeah we are fucked.
Who do you think owns this technology?
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The unknown future rolls toward us. I face it, for the first time, with a sense of hope. Because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too.
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I'm a judicial branch paper pusher. Almost all of our jobs should have been automated decades ago, instead, we finally acquired in 2021, after a hundred million dollars, a database with graphic user interface. We're also cheaper than AI.
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it's funny how you really can't have this conversation for long until it leads to the realization that the problem is less with AI and more with the current structure of our world. people losing their jobs is a snowball effect. the chef whose job may not be replaceable becomes obsolete when his customers lose theirs. at that point, this little dance we're all doing is shown for what it is; ugly and unnecessary.
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Ai is a tool. Like a hammer is . Keep it open to everyone and I don’t see it as a problem. Close that shit up and only let billionaires and corporations and the so called government to have it then yeah we are fucked.
i have bad news…
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I think people overestimate how proficient AI is right now. It's pretty crazy that it can pass the interview exam for a FAANG software developer. I don't program, but if you give me access to StackOverflow and Github, I could pass it as well.
For now, it's just a really good tool(for most things). I don't see it seriously impacting the job market right now, but in 5-10 years it might be.
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The stuff I’ve heard or read recently from people in the field of AI development is pretty scary because even they are surprised about the rate of progress within the last 6 months. It doesn’t seem like many of them expected to be where we are today for another few years. The idea that the people developing this shit think we may have already reached an inflection point - but they can’t say for sure - is disconcerting.
It does seem that progress is not linear, so the fact that it took X many years to reach this point is not indicative of how long it will take to reach the next milestones.
I think a lot of jobs are in danger and because loss of those jobs will reduce overall demand, there could be trickle down effects to jobs like construction that would appear safe. Out of work programmers don’t get bathrooms remodeled, fewer office buildings being built, etc.
In a worse case scenario I can see Europe doing more to rebalance society with a UBI or something (although the EU as an organization would be on thin ice because countries will probably focus on themselves). America won’t agree on what to do and the financial victors will reap all the spoils.
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Not mine… we will need more people doing my jobs as AI gains prevalence.
An old buddy of mine is an engineer and project manager for an AI startup that recently sold for some pretty crazy loot. This dude got like 500k and more in options with the sale on top of a wild salary. Anyways, he hates it the technology. Dude knows the ins and outs as they currently stand and feels that while the technology could do good things, its most likely going to be used in a manner that harms regular folks, jobs, autonomy, and the like for the sake of profit. Hearing it from him, it leaves me feeling its not a good scene
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In the future will things start getting labelled as like a human only business. Like there will be a special stamp on products or sign on business windows like no robots or ai labour here.
Will we maybe even get some kind of Amish 2.0?
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Not mine… we will need more people doing my jobs as AI gains prevalence.
An old buddy of mine is an engineer and project manager for an AI startup that recently sold for some pretty crazy loot. This dude got like 500k and more in options with the sale on top of a wild salary. Anyways, he hates it the technology. Dude knows the ins and outs as they currently stand and feels that while the technology could do good things, its most likely going to be used in a manner that harms regular folks, jobs, autonomy, and the like for the sake of profit. Hearing it from him, it leaves me feeling its not a good scene
and yet he still works for the company? lol.
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The unknown future rolls toward us. I face it, for the first time, with a sense of hope. Because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too.
A storm is coming.
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I think people overestimate how proficient AI is right now. It's pretty crazy that it can pass the interview exam for a FAANG software developer. I don't program, but if you give me access to StackOverflow and Github, I could pass it as well.
For now, it's just a really good tool(for most things). I don't see it seriously impacting the job market right now, but in 5-10 years it might be.
Remember self driving cars? They've got the basics down pretty fast, but the finer details elude them to this day.
I am not worried by AI replacing software engineers - as soon as something breaks/doesn't work as intended, you need to understand the code in fine detail to fix it. And that takes time.
However, AI can and should replace the writing staff at Cosmpolitan and similar mindless publications.
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Most probably … hopefully I can wing it for another 16 years though
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WILL.I.AM. TAKE OVER YOUR JOB?
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There’s not much to worry about in my opinion. I work within the tech sector as I run a digital product studio and yes, I’m already using certain technologies in my day to day.
But as others have mentioned, it’s like working with a slow intern – it’s good for basic, common cases, but not very useful when things get tricky and I believe getting to that point will take quite a while. And even then it might just be another tool I will use in my job.
I wish it would be that simple that AI will take away jobs and a UBI will give everyone time, safety, and freedom to do more meaningful things with their life, but that’s just not how it works. It’s not like there are less jobs now than there were before the Industrial Revolution, which had a similar promise of machines taking over human jobs, right? Jobs will be transformed, some jobs will get extinct, but new ones will be created.
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I'm a freelance translator, been working in subtitling and dubbing for 20 years.... My job is doomed. :-X
We used to make fun of machine translation but no more.
I'm already in the process of recruitment for a new job. It's gonna be hard to adapt to having a boss and all, after over 20 years of freelance freedom but some stability will be nice to end my career....
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I've transitioned from freelance translation 10 years ago ... the pay was meager and work way too sporadic. I'm guessing EU institutions will still need actual translators and others proofreaders, but the rates will dwindle to peanuts.
Isn't it funny how office workers are working to destroy their own jobs, while there is a massive shortage of blue collar workers everywhere. Time to learn a profession.
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There still is a demand for language teachers here, like most people want an actual teacher not an online course. Probably would be an easy transition if you worked in translation.
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I've transitioned from freelance translation 10 years ago ... the pay was meager and work way too sporadic. I'm guessing EU institutions will still need actual translators and others proofreaders, but the rates will dwindle to peanuts.
Isn't it funny how office workers are working to destroy their own jobs, while there is a massive shortage of blue collar workers everywhere. Time to learn a profession.
yeah I've seen rates go down over the years... Luckily I get royalties every time a show I have translated is broadcast on TV, that's what saved my niche.
->Siota: yup becoming an English teacher is definitely my back-up plan in case I don't land the job I'm aiming for now! Not sure I'd make a good teacher though. So I'd rather keep on translating, but no more freelance shit...I wanna be a cog in the machine haha
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^Good luck frenchie, you got this!
I just started a new job producing various kinds of written content, knowing full well AI will do that sooner rather than later. So yes, AI will most definitely take over my job, but I personally am not at all worried, for many reasons. One is that right now, the content ChatGPT produces still needs to be refined by a human who knows what they are doing. Otherwise it'll be so freaking bland even the normiest of normies will fall asleep reading it, and the result oftentimes contains stuff that's out of place, inappropriate or flat-out wrong. What I find it most useful for as of today is to provide inspiration. I've been overcoming bouts of listlessness much faster ever since I can ask AI for 10 more ideas. And 10 more. And 10 more...
So I fully agree that right now it's simply a tool that needs human supervision to successfully perform even basic tasks. Whoever came up with the "slow intern" analogy was spot on. As of now, the risk of AI fucking up big time is way too fucking high to let it just do its thing unsupervised. From what I hear that's supposed to change soon, but I'm by no means in the weeds enough to predict when exactly that's supposed to happen. The good thing is I'm technically employed as a content manager, so I'll seamlessly transfer from producing content myself to managing content produced by AI. I'm sure that'll be fine and AI will never replace project managers...
Jokes aside, I've worked in enough completely different fields already to not be scared of changing things up a couple more times. From my personal experience, the technical/specialized aspects of the vast majority of office jobs can be picked up incredibly quickly if you happen to have a certain combination of personality traits and some general education, which I'm lucky enough to have. So as long as there are any white collar work environments, I'm confident I'll find a place to do my thing, which is mainly get along well with virtually everybody and say some pseudo-insightful things just often enough to come across as productive and dedicated. Little do they know I spend more time on Slap than in the Google doc. If AI ever uncovers that, I'll be well and truly fucked.
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Holy crap, we truly are living in the age of celery man
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The only saving grace is that we need to keep jobs because you can't advertise to AI to buy dumb shit
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I'm a lawyer working in a finance related practice. At my firm we're starting to use AI to run a rough first draft of documents for common financing structures. It will still require oversight by lawyers, but it will probably shrink the ranks of paralegals even further.
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Figured this is the best place for my chatgpt rambling and shit. I’ve been ramping up on it for the past two weeks as I’m doing interviews and get back into building stuff. The capabilities is pretty fucking insane. I’m less worried about it taking jobs and more worried about spreading misinformation and stuff.
With pretty easy integration, you can have it spewing out complete bullshit propaganda that can easily convince people. With AI voices of people starting too, people can easily get swatted and telling what’s real and fake with audio is going to become nearly impossible.
In terms of cyber warfare and scamming people, it could get real scary real fast.
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Figured this is the best place for my chatgpt rambling and shit. I’ve been ramping up on it for the past two weeks as I’m doing interviews and get back into building stuff. The capabilities is pretty fucking insane. I’m less worried about it taking jobs and more worried about spreading misinformation and stuff.
With pretty easy integration, you can have it spewing out complete bullshit propaganda that can easily convince people. With AI voices of people starting too, people can easily get swatted and telling what’s real and fake with audio is going to become nearly impossible.
In terms of cyber warfare and scamming people, it could get real scary real fast.
Thats maybe the scariest part imo. Every generation of industrial shift displaces folks, but after what we have seen people believe over the past few years, your spot on.
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Figured this is the best place for my chatgpt rambling and shit. I’ve been ramping up on it for the past two weeks as I’m doing interviews and get back into building stuff. The capabilities is pretty fucking insane. I’m less worried about it taking jobs and more worried about spreading misinformation and stuff.
With pretty easy integration, you can have it spewing out complete bullshit propaganda that can easily convince people. With AI voices of people starting too, people can easily get swatted and telling what’s real and fake with audio is going to become nearly impossible.
In terms of cyber warfare and scamming people, it could get real scary real fast.
not looking forward to automated bigotry
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Figured this is the best place for my chatgpt rambling and shit. I’ve been ramping up on it for the past two weeks as I’m doing interviews and get back into building stuff. The capabilities is pretty fucking insane. I’m less worried about it taking jobs and more worried about spreading misinformation and stuff.
With pretty easy integration, you can have it spewing out complete bullshit propaganda that can easily convince people. With AI voices of people starting too, people can easily get swatted and telling what’s real and fake with audio is going to become nearly impossible.
In terms of cyber warfare and scamming people, it could get real scary real fast.
After AI controls all content for whatever unimaginable end, we’ll all be nostalgic of bad human actors spreading misinformation for an imaginable end
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my job is basically hiking so i think i'm good
lucky you
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Do you think there are other planets out there that are creating, or have created, AI? Would it be the same as the AI we are making, or is it different? Does AI reflect the society that birthed it or is it an independent life form that would have similar characteristics no matter who made it?
Summarily, would the AI on our planet be similar to the AI some distant civilization would make?
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I am a cartoonist working the une animation industry.Yeah AI may take over our jobs but I will strike back and take AI's job by drawing extras fingers on my characters.
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I frickin hope so. I'm getting tired of begging. I need a robot to send out there.
Ill dress it up like lil orphan Annie make do the good ship lollipop dance for tourists
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Please do not be afraid of the machines. When the physical brain for digitization is active there will be no need for jobs.
They will give you food and water and clean your holding pens regularly.
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fuck no.
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It's actually been really useful. I can drag and drop code I don't understand or that someone else wrote and it explains what everything does and why. Instead of scheduling meetings and taking hours or days to sort through things I spent 30min.
It's also really useful for taking complex concepts and explaining them at a moderately technical level. If I have to explain to people why we are adopting a specific statistical method it's much easier to write technical jargon and let ChatGPT dumb it down.
Interesting that the first few papers on economics and AI demonstrate it's lifting the lower skilled workers up more than any other group.
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It's actually been really useful. I can drag and drop code I don't understand or that someone else wrote and it explains what everything does and why. Instead of scheduling meetings and taking hours or days to sort through things I spent 30min.
It's also really useful for taking complex concepts and explaining them at a moderately technical level. If I have to explain to people why we are adopting a specific statistical method it's much easier to write technical jargon and let ChatGPT dumb it down.
Interesting that the first few papers on economics and AI demonstrate it's lifting the lower skilled workers up more than any other group.
Come again?
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Current AI is just image creation and chatbots. The chatbots basically are a really good Google. So I use them to google what specific code means so I can learn faster and not have to do everything from scratch. I also use it to take more complex language and dumb it down for executive reports.
The second part is that studies on companies that have adopted existing AI have found that it makes the lowest skilled/paid workers the most productive and many at the upper levels that don't produce somewhat less "skilled".
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Hmmm, maybe I just don't understand because Idk what the sort of job is that you do (not too familiar with coding)...
Like why isn't the answer that you're just not a good communicator?
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Hmmm, maybe I just don't understand because Idk what the sort of job is that you do (not too familiar with coding)...
Like why isn't the answer that you're just not a good communicator?
I work in statistics and experimentation and my background is mostly in machine learning. Most people, even smart ones, fail to grasp basic statistical concepts.
In my role I evaluate very large internal programs that have high visibility and generate a lot of revenue. People such as myself often partner with very non technical/non stats heavy people. Even tho they might have taken stats in college they probably couldn't explain simple concepts so imagine when I'm trying to tell them about how we estimate that switching to a specific method could save us millions of dollars. I have the data to back it up, but there is a lot of technical details underneath and the entire story needs to be as simple as possible. Lots of their ideas would not be sound practice and you need to dumb things down a level further than you'd think.
Statistics is not intuitive and so much goes into design and methods that's why you see a lot of pop sci fads related to dietary research or the social sciences make a splash and then fade- it was based on bad statistics/statistical design.
My problem is I'm not concise. I take a long time to edit work. ChatGPT does that for me. I can then work hours a week less on shit like presentations.
As for coding GenAI can take chunks of code and you can ask it to explain what the code does and it will detail what every line of code does. In most industries where people write code actual documentation of said code is terrible, or like the inner workings of a madman. Sometimes you'd need to actually talk to the person to know what they did and why so you can understand or redo it.
Recently I had to build something similar to an internal tool that had already been built. I could wait 3 days to meet with the old Engineer and hope to hell they had the communication skills (many don't) to explain it to me or spend 30min using GenAI to explain me the code so I could basically find and replace a few sections.
Also, when I'm done GenAI can write the documentation for me more or less. I still have to check the shit out of it, but it gets me 80%-90% of the way there.
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Ho-lee fuck, I still don't know what that all means but it seems gnarly. Sounds like you have it dialed in. Keep doing whatever works for you.
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Hmmm, maybe I just don't understand because Idk what the sort of job is that you do (not too familiar with coding)...
Like why isn't the answer that you're just not a good communicator?
I work in statistics and experimentation and my background is mostly in machine learning. Most people, even smart ones, fail to grasp basic statistical concepts.
In my role I evaluate very large internal programs that have high visibility and generate a lot of revenue. People such as myself often partner with very non technical/non stats heavy people. Even tho they might have taken stats in college they probably couldn't explain simple concepts so imagine when I'm trying to tell them about how we estimate that switching to a specific method could save us millions of dollars. I have the data to back it up, but there is a lot of technical details underneath and the entire story needs to be as simple as possible. Lots of their ideas would not be sound practice and you need to dumb things down a level further than you'd think.
Statistics is not intuitive and so much goes into design and methods that's why you see a lot of pop sci fads related to dietary research or the social sciences make a splash and then fade- it was based on bad statistics/statistical design.
My problem is I'm not concise. I take a long time to edit work. ChatGPT does that for me. I can then work hours a week less on shit like presentations.
As for coding GenAI can take chunks of code and you can ask it to explain what the code does and it will detail what every line of code does. In most industries where people write code actual documentation of said code is terrible, or like the inner workings of a madman. Sometimes you'd need to actually talk to the person to know what they did and why so you can understand or redo it.
Recently I had to build something similar to an internal tool that had already been built. I could wait 3 days to meet with the old Engineer and hope to hell they had the communication skills (many don't) to explain it to me or spend 30min using GenAI to explain me the code so I could basically find and replace a few sections.
Also, when I'm done GenAI can write the documentation for me more or less. I still have to check the shit out of it, but it gets me 80%-90% of the way there.
So with AI essentially making your job a lot easier, are you now expected to be much more productive than you previously were, or have your employers not cottoned on to how much easier your job is now?
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No changes really. I actually have time to pursue things on my want-to-do list in greater depth and I can spend more time doing what I do better. In any job there's always things that you never have time to get to or don't put the last 5% effort into. Now I have time for that.
Here's an example: I've always wanted to estimate the revenue impact of if we required people to roll out winning experiments sooner. No one asked to do that as we don't really know if it matters. By having extra time the last 2 weeks I did that analysis in my spare time and found that we can make an extra $10M dollars per year. Everyone is pretty stoked on that.
In my role it's not like you're expected to do X hours on the things I mentioned above it's more that you have a deadline and the thing has to be done to some degree by that deadline. You just have time to apply your actual unique skills better instead of the rote shit everyone hates being time consuming.
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I fucking hope so. I'm so sick of standing around town waiting for fools to ask me for drugs.
Sure I can shore brb yo.
Zing
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The only saving grace is that we need to keep jobs because you can't advertise to AI to buy dumb shit
Sadly, Fordism died a long time ago. The business world is run by people who repeat simplistic Milton Freidman and Von Hayak fallacies that sound reasonable.
I'm still training an IA program to do my job. It is amazing how simple it is to give the computer the input data to help train it. The line I've been given is that is it best to be the one training the AI as I might have chance at being in charge once its usage "scales" across the organization.
However, I worry that AI will allow the company to Taylorize my position and reduce my pay. Or, even worse, it will allow a bunch of know-nothing MBA bros to do my job.
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Hmmm, maybe I just don't understand because Idk what the sort of job is that you do (not too familiar with coding)...
Like why isn't the answer that you're just not a good communicator?
I work in statistics and experimentation and my background is mostly in machine learning. Most people, even smart ones, fail to grasp basic statistical concepts.
In my role I evaluate very large internal programs that have high visibility and generate a lot of revenue. People such as myself often partner with very non technical/non stats heavy people. Even tho they might have taken stats in college they probably couldn't explain simple concepts so imagine when I'm trying to tell them about how we estimate that switching to a specific method could save us millions of dollars. I have the data to back it up, but there is a lot of technical details underneath and the entire story needs to be as simple as possible. Lots of their ideas would not be sound practice and you need to dumb things down a level further than you'd think.
Statistics is not intuitive and so much goes into design and methods that's why you see a lot of pop sci fads related to dietary research or the social sciences make a splash and then fade- it was based on bad statistics/statistical design.
My problem is I'm not concise. I take a long time to edit work. ChatGPT does that for me. I can then work hours a week less on shit like presentations.
As for coding GenAI can take chunks of code and you can ask it to explain what the code does and it will detail what every line of code does. In most industries where people write code actual documentation of said code is terrible, or like the inner workings of a madman. Sometimes you'd need to actually talk to the person to know what they did and why so you can understand or redo it.
Recently I had to build something similar to an internal tool that had already been built. I could wait 3 days to meet with the old Engineer and hope to hell they had the communication skills (many don't) to explain it to me or spend 30min using GenAI to explain me the code so I could basically find and replace a few sections.
Also, when I'm done GenAI can write the documentation for me more or less. I still have to check the shit out of it, but it gets me 80%-90% of the way there.
You explained this really well. ;)
From what I have heard from skate friends who work as programmers (somehow a lot of my skate buddies do) most of them use AI in some way.
I need to get into AI as well. I don’t see that many uses for what I do a teacher unless I could find a way for it to grade tests, which would be amazing. It would also be good to understand it a little better to find ways to incorporate it into one of my politics classes. How can you think about something critically if you do not understand how it works at all…
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I am a teacher. Technically I could be replaced by AI, but I am hopeful humanity isn‘t that stupid. If AI teaches the kids, how can they ever learn to do that what AI cannot do? Also, uh, humans need other humans to become a properly socialized beings that‘s obvious to everyone at least I hope it us.
Of course AI is scary, but I also think people overestimate it. Human needs are fairly basic and AI is not really gonna help you with your relationship problems, existential fears or emotional insecurities.
In a Post AI World (unless someone really fucks up and causes a disaster) there are still going to be the same basic human struggles about power and money. Unchecked AI will be an extension of corporate power or state power, but we need to think more about how technology can improve life for everyone. Like other technologies it will make a lot of parts of our life more effective and more productive and I fear it will mostly serve those already in power.
What I want to know is when am I finally going to be able to work less and make more money thanks to all this fancy new shit?
Has there in a transition in k-12 to online learning course modules?
I went back to college to do some continuing ed and was very suspicious that my self-paced online learning modules were made with AI. The homework grading was certainly all automated.
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I work in government, and AI would be immensely helpful if we adopted it. Our agency's culture is very anti AI though.
If government in general does adopt AI, IMO the consulting industry would be screwed.
There's already been a handful of new consultants popping up on our radar that are extra scammy and sloppy and so obviously and incredulously using AI. They're ruining it for all the real consultants because they're pressuring government workers to just start making their own AI stuff.
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Sure,why not?
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I am a teacher. Technically I could be replaced by AI, but I am hopeful humanity isn‘t that stupid. If AI teaches the kids, how can they ever learn to do that what AI cannot do? Also, uh, humans need other humans to become a properly socialized beings that‘s obvious to everyone at least I hope it us.
Of course AI is scary, but I also think people overestimate it. Human needs are fairly basic and AI is not really gonna help you with your relationship problems, existential fears or emotional insecurities.
In a Post AI World (unless someone really fucks up and causes a disaster) there are still going to be the same basic human struggles about power and money. Unchecked AI will be an extension of corporate power or state power, but we need to think more about how technology can improve life for everyone. Like other technologies it will make a lot of parts of our life more effective and more productive and I fear it will mostly serve those already in power.
What I want to know is when am I finally going to be able to work less and make more money thanks to all this fancy new shit?
Has there in a transition in k-12 to online learning course modules?
I went back to college to do some continuing ed and was very suspicious that my self-paced online learning modules were made with AI. The homework grading was certainly all automated.
I am German and I teach in Germany. Here there certainly isn't. Not yet. Public schools are still struggeling to provide every room with a working projector. I am shure there will be a push for it in some areas, though. A fully digitized and standardized test, corrected and analyzed by AI would be the wet dream of alot of scientists and government beaurocrats. They perceive of learning as a simple input/output system to be controlled and optimized by them.
There has been a big push in that direction already, with alot of reforms in the past two decades. The irony is that by teaching standardized forms of writing and how to solve standardized tasks (we teach our students standardized signal words so called "operators", which indicate the type of text we are looking for in a given test). In doing that they have basicly focused on that part of education that AI can now do better than most people can.
I think what is needed in post AI education is more critical thinking, learning how to grasp a subject from multiple points of view, thinking creatively, subjective interpretation, ethical reflection, self-reflection etc. In other word that part of thinking that AI cannot do for us now and maybe never should do for us.
Students also need to use and experiment with AI, I think. It is just a fact of life and the better people know how it works and how it impacts their life the better it will be for society as a whole and for the individual's freedom within it.
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Couldn't remember if I replied to this or not but here's my .02.
2 years ago my good friend (who is one of the top experts in ai) told me to start figuring out what I'm doing next because within 5 years I won't have a job (I'm a web developer). In my head I was like bs and continued on.
A few months ago my team had a meeting with a quest speaker ... he is in the ai industry and basically told all of the writers on the team that in a year 1 of them will replace the whole team because that one will be able to accomplish the work of the whole team in less time ... he told the developers we would be about a year after that. Since then management has been pushing us to learn how to best use ai, on our own time, to be prepared.
The tech industry is going to be f'd in a year or two.
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Unlikely.
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Couldn't remember if I replied to this or not but here's my .02.
2 years ago my good friend (who is one of the top experts in ai) told me to start figuring out what I'm doing next because within 5 years I won't have a job (I'm a web developer). In my head I was like bs and continued on.
A few months ago my team had a meeting with a quest speaker ... he is in the ai industry and basically told all of the writers on the team that in a year 1 of them will replace the whole team because that one will be able to accomplish the work of the whole team in less time ... he told the developers we would be about a year after that. Since then management has been pushing us to learn how to best use ai, on our own time, to be prepared.
The tech industry is going to be f'd in a year or two.
That sounds like a fucking horrible company to work for. Any company that would round up employees and then tell them they should be scared for their jobs truly doesn't give a shit about its employees. While GenAI can write code and design shitty websites, it doesn't have the aesthetic and programming knowledge that lives in a good developer's head.
My company employs hundreds of people that theoretically could be replaced by GenAI that doesn't exist yet but instead is working to figure out how to make internal tools to augment work.
Take for example web chat. Most of that is automated now but we have experts that provide people with very important financial advice based on lots of codes and regulations. CharGPT could look it up but won't have the experience that these experts have had seeing the actual results.
What the company has built is a tool that listens to the customer and starts finding all the relevant laws and codes and gives it to the expert. It has access to past customers and their results and can provide summaries of what happened. It's making the experts more efficient at their jobs.
This is what you're seeing so far in many industries there have been 2 prominent Economics papers that have analyzed the effects.
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@Sleazy nailed it in his first-page comment when he referred to having some diversity, I mostly do web/online app development, but I can kick over to UX/UI or even pre press if I had to. Having said, we're at the fetal stages of AI right now, so it's hard to gauge what it's gonna be like a month from now.
I do private and government contracts, and the implementation of generative tools will have a much bigger impact on private company employees doing the type of stuff I do, as we often handle sensitive data that you don't want processed or seen outside of the networks under your organization's control. A tech company would be more likely to save money on staff whereas government agencies usually have pretty set budgets and are less likely to risk data exposure.
Right now I love a lot of the tools that have come from AI, and depending on the entity you work for, it may help to be the AI-authority in your organization. I'm using my current position to maintain that angle now. A lot of folks can write a prompt, but even now, if an HR manager had GPT write an entire application, you need someone who knows how to implement it and clean the code.
Like I said though, this is today. I've been in this business since '98, so change isn't new (though the speed of change has increased). IT/Tech has always been a hustle... this is a good wakeup for all of us in the sector, just learn what you can and keep up with it like every other little nuanced thing we pick up due to the work or just being a solid geek.
It's kinda scary, but I'm also stoked to see everything moving so fast. Just trying to keep up.
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Couldn't remember if I replied to this or not but here's my .02.
2 years ago my good friend (who is one of the top experts in ai) told me to start figuring out what I'm doing next because within 5 years I won't have a job (I'm a web developer). In my head I was like bs and continued on.
A few months ago my team had a meeting with a quest speaker ... he is in the ai industry and basically told all of the writers on the team that in a year 1 of them will replace the whole team because that one will be able to accomplish the work of the whole team in less time ... he told the developers we would be about a year after that. Since then management has been pushing us to learn how to best use ai, on our own time, to be prepared.
The tech industry is going to be f'd in a year or two.
That sounds like a horrible place to work. First, they threaten your livelihood, then they essentially tell you to do unpaid training in order to prepare for a potential position that might be available in the future. Jesus Christ....
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While the interviewer does grate me, I thought this was an interesting listen…
https://youtu.be/bk-nQ7HF6k4
Thought it was interesting how he suggested governments should tax AI companies massively to try to subsidise a universal income but then how those countries would most likely just fall behind in the race as certain countries will just go balls to wall with no fucks given.
I work in the creative industry and I do like how he highlighted the amount of online grifters i see on youtube and instagram now, creating content trying to scare monger and flog masses of ai related ‘hacks’ to innocent people caught in a firing line.
Anyway you tech folk seem like you know a hell of a lot more about this than i do
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While the interviewer does grate me, I thought this was an interesting listen…
https://youtu.be/bk-nQ7HF6k4
Thought it was interesting how he suggested governments should tax AI companies massively to try to subsidise a universal income but then how those countries would most likely just fall behind in the race as certain countries will just go balls to wall with no fucks given.
I work in the creative industry and I do like how he highlighted the amount of online grifters i see on youtube and instagram now, creating content trying to scare monger and flog masses of ai related ‘hacks’ to innocent people caught in a firing line.
Anyway you tech folk seem like you know a hell of a lot more about this than i do
Man around the 35 min mark he talks about how we may come to a point where 90% of art is produced by AI because most people don't actually care about who produced what they consume, they just want something functional. The idea that music created by a human might become some niche thing sent chills down my spine.
Scariest thing about technology is that once the cat is out of the bag it won't go back in and we're never going to be able to go backwards in technological progression.
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https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2023/06/14/we-used-ai-to-extend-iconic-skate-photos/ (https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2023/06/14/we-used-ai-to-extend-iconic-skate-photos/)
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I work in 3D animation/vfx and i'm just gonna paste something a senior Compositing Lead (compositing=taking vfx and matching it with OG plates of real footage, super important) I interned with said on Linkedin (or a vfx forum for the whole studio, can't remember). I also remember him bitching about the model we were trying to use lol
(https://i.ibb.co/C8sbYV7/AI-isn-t-that-great.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T2q47P8)
TLDR: AI is more A than I and needs constant hand holding and the braindead discord prompt thing is a mockery of what "AI" supposedly is
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@Sleazy nailed it in his first-page comment when he referred to having some diversity, I mostly do web/online app development, but I can kick over to UX/UI or even pre press if I had to. Having said, we're at the fetal stages of AI right now, so it's hard to gauge what it's gonna be like a month from now.
I do private and government contracts, and the implementation of generative tools will have a much bigger impact on private company employees doing the type of stuff I do, as we often handle sensitive data that you don't want processed or seen outside of the networks under your organization's control. A tech company would be more likely to save money on staff whereas government agencies usually have pretty set budgets and are less likely to risk data exposure.
Right now I love a lot of the tools that have come from AI, and depending on the entity you work for, it may help to be the AI-authority in your organization. I'm using my current position to maintain that angle now. A lot of folks can write a prompt, but even now, if an HR manager had GPT write an entire application, you need someone who knows how to implement it and clean the code.
Like I said though, this is today. I've been in this business since '98, so change isn't new (though the speed of change has increased). IT/Tech has always been a hustle... this is a good wakeup for all of us in the sector, just learn what you can and keep up with it like every other little nuanced thing we pick up due to the work or just being a solid geek.
It's kinda scary, but I'm also stoked to see everything moving so fast. Just trying to keep up.
i like your share here. note that you can use openai directly and it won't contribute to their public model so there is private ways of using this stuff today. goverment would be nice though. not sure how your able to win those contracts. seems so hard. you must spend a lot of cycles on rfps. we should have a virtual coffee sometime.
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People have been talking about drones delivering shit for a while now and that shit has never taken off. You can count on your daily junk mail being delivered by human hand for a while still. If anything I’ve been delivering more shit since this AI revolution.
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I think it would have to get a lot more intelligent and more adaptable to take my position, or at least be able to work with people's medical requests.
I work as a scheduler for a doctor's office, and I'm sure that it's possible to have an AI portal for patients to pick and choose appointment times, but the large demographic of people we work with are not... um... technologically inclined...I'm not even sure if our facility would allow patients to choose the time on their own like that, likely a request would be entered for the human staff to review and confirm with the patient.
Plus, a lot of people want the human contact when they call about medical issues, most say they HATE using the phone system, and others don't like our online portal either.
I'm probably too short-sighted though.
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The taking out jobs will be the good part I think. The taking our place as the top of intellectual beings on the planet is anyone’s guess, good or bad, but if it’s bad, it’s really really bad.
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I sure hope so!